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| 00:04.32 | usney | How can I get netinstall debian to be able to use my wifi? I am using a wifi card that doesn't require non free software. |
| 00:04.48 | sney | what wifi card is it? |
| 00:04.57 | usney | atheros |
| 00:05.05 | usney | chipset |
| 00:05.12 | sney | ath9k? that should just work with the regular netinstall |
| 00:05.23 | usney | it doesn't |
| 00:05.33 | sney | what does it do instead? |
| 00:05.33 | usney | oh wait sorry |
| 00:05.44 | usney | I am thinking of my other laptop |
| 00:05.51 | usney | that has a different chip |
| 00:06.30 | usney | how do I get debian netinstall to recongnise a wifi dongle with atheros chipset that doesn't need proprietary software to work? |
| 00:06.43 | joepublic | again, should 'just work' |
| 00:06.48 | usney | I tried it in the paste it doesn't work |
| 00:06.53 | usney | pass* |
| 00:06.58 | usney | past* |
| 00:06.59 | sney | yeah, same answer. if it doesn't use firmware and it isn't brand new, it will just work |
| 00:07.12 | joepublic | how long ago? atheros firmware wasn't always free |
| 00:07.13 | usney | it isn't brand new |
| 00:07.22 | usney | I got it from thinkpenguin |
| 00:07.36 | sney | sometimes laptops have hardware wifi toggles that you need to explicitly set in bios so the wifi interface will be enabled in the installer |
| 00:07.44 | usney | it is certificated free hardware by fsf it should work |
| 00:07.54 | sney | anyway that's all we can give you without log output |
| 00:08.01 | usney | okay thank you |
| 00:08.09 | abrotman | isn't brand new? or is a year old? |
| 00:08.45 | usney | it is certificated by GNU and FSF to work out of the box with free software only. |
| 00:09.07 | sney | then it is probably just getting disabled by bios. or it's defective |
| 00:09.11 | joepublic | then if functional, will 'just work' |
| 00:09.26 | usney | It works on my laptop I am using now |
| 00:09.36 | sney | what? |
| 00:09.41 | sney | come back when you have a question that makes sense |
| 00:09.49 | usney | I have two laptops |
| 00:10.03 | sney | and read this: |
| 00:10.04 | usney | the older one doesn't want to work with the wifi dongle |
| 00:10.05 | sney | !doesnt work |
| 00:10.05 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 00:10.08 | joepublic | hey! *I* have two laptops |
| 00:10.20 | sney | particularly this: Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 00:10.46 | sney | "it works" and "it doesn't work" back to back about different things is confusing to people who aren't sitting in your room with you, and can't see your screen. |
| 00:10.46 | usney | It doesn't seem to detect the wifi chip when I plug in the dongle |
| 00:11.10 | usney | I am sorry that is my mistake |
| 00:11.20 | sney | I think the atheros usb wifi does require firmware, but again, you need to be specific or else we are just guessing. |
| 00:11.24 | sney | and I'm getting tired of guessing. |
| 00:11.38 | joepublic | it requires free firmware |
| 00:11.45 | usney | okay how do I get the logs? |
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| 00:12.06 | usney | what is the package name for the free firmware? |
| 00:12.27 | sney | in the installer, alt-f4 gets you an info console. if you go there when it's looking for a network connection you will probably see something relevant. |
| 00:12.30 | sney | !atheros firmware |
| 00:12.30 | dpkg | Firmware from userspace is required by the <ar9170usb>, <ath9k_htc> and <ath3k> USB device drivers. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-atheros package to provide; this package is not required for the <ath5k> or <ath9k> drivers, and not required for any Atheros Ethernet device. Firmware for the <carl9170> driver is provided by the firmware-linux-free package. |
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| 00:13.21 | usney | thank you sney |
| 00:13.45 | joepublic | dmesg|grep firmware may narrow it down |
| 00:14.14 | usney | I am sorry I wasn't being clear enough my brain isn't working right today. |
| 00:14.33 | usney | yes grep is a nice command |
| 00:14.47 | usney | I use that all the time when I search for packages in apt search or apt-cache search |
| 00:15.14 | joepublic | `dmesg|grep firmware` in this case just shows you mentions of things about firmware, helpful |
| 00:15.27 | usney | brb |
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| 00:18.12 | usney | I am back |
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| 00:19.14 | usney | joepublic sney how do I download a i386 package without installing with apt? I have done it before but I don't know how to do that because I never needed to specify the arch. |
| 00:19.55 | joepublic | find it at packages.debian.org |
| 00:20.05 | usney | I'll do a web search real quick I'll be back when I can't find out how |
| 00:20.28 | sney | usney: joepublic literally just told you how. |
| 00:20.31 | joepublic | a packages.debian.org will likely save you time. |
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| 00:20.58 | sney | there is also the option to enable multiarch: http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 00:21.00 | usney | yes that shows me how in a browser not through the terminal |
| 00:21.23 | joepublic | find the package, then in terminal wget http://so-and-so/filename.deb |
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| 00:21.38 | usney | cool joepublic |
| 00:22.49 | usney | thank you sney |
| 00:22.54 | usney | and joepublic |
| 00:23.05 | joepublic | may the free software be with you |
| 00:23.08 | usney | I just prefer to use the command line |
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| 00:23.18 | usney | as much as possible |
| 00:23.27 | usney | these days I only install via the command line |
| 00:23.48 | usney | especially makes it easy to see what I manually installed because of the bash history file |
| 00:23.57 | joepublic | apt logs everything. |
| 00:24.04 | usney | oh cool |
| 00:24.14 | usney | history | grep install |
| 00:24.20 | usney | is really simple |
| 00:24.22 | joepublic | fair enough |
| 00:25.03 | usney | how can I use apt logs to only see stuff I installed manually and not software installed at time of installation? |
| 00:25.27 | joepublic | look in /var/log/apt |
| 00:25.34 | usney | cool thanks |
| 00:26.11 | usney | I will probably need multiarch often see I have a single board computer with arm and also have 32bit laptop. |
| 00:26.44 | usney | in case I can't for some reason get the software to download and install from the single board computer or 32bit laptop |
| 00:26.54 | sney | that's not what multiarch is for. |
| 00:27.33 | usney | you can't use that for downloading deb files to be installed on the other computer(s)? |
| 00:27.50 | joepublic | use packages.debian.org for that, actually |
| 00:27.53 | sney | ^ |
| 00:28.07 | usney | of course you have to transfer it to it and use apt install ./nameofpackage.deb |
| 00:28.10 | sney | multiarch is for *systems* that can use more than one arch. like amd64 and i386, usually. |
| 00:28.59 | sney | you could probably twist its arm to download binary-incompatible crap somehow, but you might as well just use apt-cacher-ng instead |
| 00:29.00 | usney | you mean like how amd64 can be able to use run 32bit software? |
| 00:29.31 | sney | yes, that's what systems that can use more than one arch, like amd64 and i386, means. |
| 00:29.49 | usney | cool |
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| 00:30.52 | usney | I'll figure out which software the dongle is using by plugging it in and getting the hardware specs |
| 00:31.13 | sney | that sounds like a good first step. |
| 00:31.49 | usney | I hope it is the same name as the 32bit name for the software or firmware it needs |
| 00:32.01 | usney | or at least similar name |
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| 00:39.42 | usney | thanks for the link sney it has some info on there to help me with another problem I been having that I didn't ask on here yet. |
| 00:40.42 | abrotman | anyone else tihnk it's weird that sney and usney are talking to each other? |
| 00:40.54 | sney | me more than anyone else, probably |
| 00:41.08 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:41.11 | usney | haha |
| 00:41.18 | usney | yes we have similar nicks |
| 00:41.25 | abrotman | sney: could you /nick isney ? |
| 00:41.30 | usney | I registered for this nick so I can't change it |
| 00:41.33 | abrotman | isney, usney .. we all sney! |
| 00:41.52 | sney | don't make me put you in the highlight ignore doghouse too, abrotman |
| 00:41.57 | abrotman | is done |
| 00:42.04 | Unit193 | Haha. :D |
| 00:42.23 | usney | you put me in the ignore list? |
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| 00:42.45 | sney | usney: I still see your messages, but when you say sney my client won't blink at me anymore. |
| 00:43.15 | usney | okay |
| 00:43.31 | usney | that's okay |
| 00:44.50 | usney | yes I know what highlight does |
| 00:45.21 | usney | I don't have it set to ignore anyone I like when it flashes so I know of messages directed at me. |
| 00:45.34 | usney | I have done it before but that was long ago |
| 00:45.42 | sney | cool, thanks for letting us know. |
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| 00:46.51 | n-iCe | can I install debian in a microsd using a usb adapter? |
| 00:47.12 | usney | probably |
| 00:47.29 | sney | a disk is a disk. usb is pretty slow though, and so is microsd |
| 00:47.31 | usney | what usb version is it? n-iCe |
| 00:47.43 | sney | it'd be fine for the installer, anyway |
| 00:48.33 | n-iCe | oh, it's slow? thought was going to be fast |
| 00:48.37 | usney | I know you can do that because you need it for singleboard computers but I prefer to install it to the onboard flash memory if it has enough space. |
| 00:49.09 | usney | are you using it for single board computer or just for live usage on a desktop or laptop computer? |
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| 00:49.32 | dvs | n-iCe, no way, MicroSDs are usually really slow. |
| 00:50.50 | n-iCe | ok |
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| 00:51.20 | usney | if for use with a single board computer like raspberry pi you need the arm edition of debian n-iCe |
| 00:51.55 | sney | the rpi's whole i/o bus is usb, so that's the kind of slow that you have to deal with one way or another. |
| 00:52.11 | sney | but usually people with rpis are using raspbian, because only the pi3 can run a real debian release that doesn't suck. |
| 00:52.18 | usney | even raspberry pi 4? |
| 00:52.23 | sney | 3+ |
| 00:52.49 | usney | wow I think I might not get a raspberry pi 4 then |
| 00:53.10 | sney | small, cheap, fast. pick 2 |
| 00:53.11 | usney | what is a good alternative to the raspberry pi 4 that has usb 3 support? |
| 00:53.54 | sney | pi 4 has usb3, but it's still using usb for everything that a full size computer would normally do with pci, dma, etc |
| 00:54.07 | usney | dam |
| 00:54.15 | sponix | usney: you might want to ask in ##hardware. There was a guy talking about an nvidia single board computer that looked pretty slick |
| 00:54.20 | sney | you have to know that if you are buying a computer for $35USD there is a compromise somewhere |
| 00:54.29 | usney | nice sponix |
| 00:54.52 | sney | some of the odroid stuff is better than a rpi and there are of course embedded computers in the $hundreds that can do basically anything |
| 00:55.01 | sney | step 1: define what you need |
| 00:55.02 | usney | I have a orange pi pc plus it works okay I use armbian on it. |
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| 00:55.40 | usney | currently I just use it for streaming and server use. |
| 00:55.52 | usney | But maybe use it for games later |
| 00:55.53 | n-iCe | is it possible that the usb adapter does not read a 128GB microsd? |
| 00:56.14 | usney | some adapters do not support sdhx or sdhc |
| 00:56.20 | n-iCe | I bought a 128GB microsd card, I had the adapter and works fine with other cards(16/32) |
| 00:56.44 | usney | do you know what the adapter is called? |
| 00:56.58 | usney | the usb adapter |
| 00:57.06 | warsoul | n-iCe dimelo |
| 00:57.31 | dvs | n-iCe, some card readers that don't support sdxc can't handle anything over 64GB. |
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| 00:58.51 | usney | thank you guys for the help I am going to go and try out the advice. |
| 00:59.00 | sponix | usney: I can't scroll back in the log far enough, but last night people were arguing as to what did the best transcoding per dollar and per watt. And it was mentioned |
| 00:59.46 | usney | I am really loving openbox with tint2 |
| 00:59.48 | sponix | usney: was like a Pi, but made by Nvidia with their GPU magic, that allowed a different type of encoding/decoding than traditional nvenc. Jellyfin has support for its hardware encoding type also, I know that |
| 00:59.50 | dvs | sney, the Pi 4 doesn't use USB for it's ethernet port |
| 00:59.51 | usney | its pretty fast |
| 01:00.08 | sney | dvs: oh yeah? well that's something at least |
| 01:00.25 | dvs | https://magpi.raspberrypi.org/articles/raspberry-pi-4-vs-raspberry-pi-3b-plus |
| 01:00.42 | n-iCe | warsoul: dvs: https://photos.app.goo.gl/9hW19B9gtMYbZfU88 |
| 01:01.04 | sponix | usney: it is called the Nvidia Jetson |
| 01:01.04 | n-iCe | but might be the sdcard does not work, I insert it in my phone which is supposed to read sdcards and is doing nothing |
| 01:01.13 | usney | thank you sponix |
| 01:01.22 | n-iCe | if I use a other card adaptor dmesg says this |
| 01:01.25 | n-iCe | [ 7485.018582] mmc1: card never left busy state |
| 01:01.27 | n-iCe | [ 7485.018600] mmc1: error -110 whilst initialising SD card |
| 01:01.29 | usney | I am willing to pay a few or more hundred dollars for it |
| 01:01.52 | usney | for a really good SBC |
| 01:02.10 | sney | if hundreds are in your budget, you might as well get one of those nuc-sized celeron machines that comes with a case and a power supply |
| 01:02.19 | sney | but I suppose that depends on the use case. |
| 01:02.21 | usney | cool |
| 01:03.54 | usney | I think I'll get a kit instead I don't want winblows 10 |
| 01:04.29 | usney | wow they have i9 cpu options too |
| 01:05.18 | sney | everything comes with a windows license. if you rule that out, you're just being dumb. put whatever you want on the disk. |
| 01:05.34 | sney | I have one of those little x86 machines, it's a "zotac" and I believe it was $250 |
| 01:06.37 | sponix | usney: I keep finding it for $400 USD. I swear they linked to it last night for $99 USD. I am trying to see if someone will drop the link again, because I can't find it grepping my log |
| 01:06.38 | usney | the kit comes from intel to build it doesn't say it comes with windows |
| 01:07.08 | usney | that's okay I am pretty good at savvy shopping |
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| 01:07.22 | usney | I will see if I can find the cheapest price. |
| 01:09.19 | usney | I found it for 99 |
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| 01:09.33 | usney | it lists it for 99 in google shopping search |
| 01:10.04 | usney | https://www.dfrobot.com/product-1909.html |
| 01:10.48 | sponix | usney: that doesn't have nvidia or jetson in the name of the link -- thus why my "grep" wasn't finding it lol |
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| 01:11.04 | sponix | usney: Thanks, at times I forget Google exist and go full on n00b |
| 01:11.25 | usney | I don't use google for regular searching |
| 01:11.30 | usney | I use it for shopping |
| 01:11.39 | usney | startpage |
| 01:11.44 | usney | I use startpage.com |
| 01:12.20 | sponix | usney: whatever.. thanks for the link anyway |
| 01:12.50 | sponix | usney: there is already a Debian build specifically for it. they said if anyone needed it they could share. but you can probably find that also :) |
| 01:12.59 | usney | I use startpage.com for regular web searches |
| 01:13.09 | lwp | when I bought this Dell desktop I'm typing on, the ordering website gave option for windows or ubuntu -- the ubuntu was a couple hundred cheaper. I got that one, and it was actually just an installer stub, which I ignored and installed debian instead |
| 01:13.31 | usney | nice lwp |
| 01:13.44 | usney | dell has been doing that but wasn't sure if they still were |
| 01:14.22 | n-iCe | so? haha |
| 01:16.57 | usney | it is good to know n-iCe who wants to pay extra for winblows? |
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| 01:18.14 | usney | plus you can get a free copy of windows 10 technician disc that you can boot from usb and upgrade bios for systems that can't be upgraded because there isn't software to do it for linux. |
| 01:18.22 | usney | hirens bootcd |
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| 01:19.18 | usney | wow sponix that is a really nice SBC I think I am going to get that. |
| 01:19.31 | usney | I wonder if you have to download the drivers for it on nvidia's website. |
| 01:20.19 | n-iCe | usney: what? |
| 01:20.33 | n-iCe | I want to know what's going on with my 128GB micros |
| 01:20.35 | n-iCe | I want to know what's going on with my 128GB microsd |
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| 01:22.04 | usney | n-iCe slax is meant to run from microsd or usb drive it is based on debian |
| 01:22.15 | usney | I have used it slax is pretty sweet! |
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| 01:24.24 | usney | you just need to backup your data if you have any on the usb drive or microsd card and format it to ext4 and make it bootable then mount the slax iso and copy the slax folder to the root of the microsd or usb flash drive. once it is finished copying the files then you can reboot and use it as you would something installed on a hard drive. |
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| 01:27.55 | sponix | usney: It is super powerful for the price. I know that much. We were talking hang a few USB 3.0 drives off of it and have it be a media server -- But there is tons more it could do I'm sure |
| 01:28.10 | n-iCe | usney: what? |
| 01:28.19 | n-iCe | microsd is not working |
| 01:28.24 | n-iCe | is what I want to know. |
| 01:28.29 | n-iCe | maybe is the adapter |
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| 01:39.27 | Ooze | Wanna host my own irc server, because. What do most use? |
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| 01:48.33 | sney | Ooze: I'm not sure about "most," but ngircd is popular and currently maintained |
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| 01:54.13 | sponix | usney: Amazon has a version B01 (instead of A02) but there is no list of what the changes are. Main specs look the same |
| 01:55.07 | sponix | usney: I want one of these bare SoCs with a wall adapter. But I'm not sure what for yet lol |
| 01:55.36 | sponix | Ooze: "Unreal IRCD" was big at one point. there are Tons though |
| 01:56.01 | sponix | Ooze: you look familiar - do I know you from somewhere ? |
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| 03:06.54 | usney | hi sponix I was away for a bit |
| 03:10.49 | sponix | usney: its okay.. I just went on to say Amazon does have the model B01 for $109 USD. And I want one bad, but can't figure out what to tell the wife I'm gonna use it for :P |
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| 03:23.27 | digitalirony | hello. This may seem like a dumb question. But I can't find it an it is frustrating me. But where can I find the key id for the debian repos to import into my keyring? |
| 03:23.34 | digitalirony | I think the one I have is old, and is no longer working |
| 03:25.35 | annadane | maybe https://www.debian.org/CD/verify helps |
| 03:25.47 | annadane | as unhelpful i think that page is the other 90% of the time |
| 03:26.21 | digitalirony | that says its just the CD keys |
| 03:28.03 | digitalirony | maybe someone who has it can just do a gpg -k or something and tell me the key id? |
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| 03:30.18 | oerheks | digitalirony, state what version you are on? |
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| 03:52.10 | usney | sponix cool |
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| 08:13.24 | Silmarilion | Hi, I am trying to figure out why xorg xrdp active connection doesn't prevent debian 10 from going to sleep. Did anyone had similar issue? |
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| 08:16.04 | linuxthefish | hey, will anything bad come about by disabling journald? I know this will cause a lack of logging, but memory usage is more important |
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| 08:47.43 | areyouloco | hi I have questions about debian-installer. good channel? |
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| 08:48.43 | mefistofeles | areyouloco: I guess just ask |
| 08:49.01 | areyouloco | i am trying to install manually with remote ssh connection and when I ssh into installet session there are tabs on the terminal 1 installer 2 console 3 logs. how do I switch between those tabs? |
| 08:49.35 | areyouloco | i've tried all the ctrl/alt/shift combinations |
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| 08:50.39 | mefistofeles | areyouloco: hmm interesting, I never did such a thing, are you following some tutorial for that? can you sahre it? |
| 08:51.04 | areyouloco | nope just trying out stuff |
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| 08:51.54 | areyouloco | i want to make some specific installation so I have to do some disk preparation manually since gparded wizard doesnt predict such a setup |
| 08:52.06 | mefistofeles | areyouloco: so I guess you chose the "Continue installation remotely using SSH" at some point, right? |
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| 08:52.19 | areyouloco | yup exacly mefistofeles |
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| 08:53.25 | mefistofeles | areyouloco: ok, I don't know what that uses, but try Ctrl-a + p |
| 08:53.27 | mefistofeles | or n |
| 08:53.33 | mefistofeles | otr ctrl-b + p (or n) |
| 08:53.43 | mefistofeles | just guessing it has the same commands as screen/tmux sessions |
| 08:54.03 | areyouloco | will try in a sec. i was suspecting screen as well |
| 08:56.18 | areyouloco | ctrl+b+p/n doesnt work |
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| 09:00.42 | mefistofeles | areyouloco: what about ctrl-a +p/n ? |
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| 09:04.21 | areyouloco | yup works thanks mefistofeles ! |
| 09:04.41 | mefistofeles | areyouloco: no problem |
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| 11:11.24 | biodi | hello anyone have had crashing issues with debian 10 aws ami? |
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| 11:19.54 | cybercrypto | biodi: No sorry, I have no experience with aws images, but I got no crashes so far with my debian 10 servers (lean netinstall iso + few tools, installed myself) |
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| 11:36.42 | L0aD1nG | hello there |
| 11:36.58 | L0aD1nG | if i would like to change my username is this a valid way to go : https://serverfault.com/questions/437342/how-can-i-rename-an-unix-user ?? |
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| 11:41.26 | cybercrypto | L0aD1nG: Do you have any doubts or concerns after reading the man page of usermod? |
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| 11:42.54 | L0aD1nG | cybercrypto: i read it the specific arguments the thread suggests and no i dont but will it change the whole filesystems ownerships? |
| 11:43.05 | L0aD1nG | i ve never done that before.. |
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| 11:45.24 | cybercrypto | L0aD1nG: Sure. try it then, using a test account and check results. usermod parameters are plenty and useful. |
| 11:46.33 | L0aD1nG | i want to do it for my main username the one i use.. actually its the only user. |
| 11:46.45 | L0aD1nG | maybe i ll do a test first with a temp one |
| 11:47.19 | cybercrypto | L0aD1nG: sounds like a plan! |
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| 13:48.59 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, can someone please tell me how i can find the folder my android handy is located ? |
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| 13:49.16 | rocketmagnet | i need to search the hole phone and the card for all images and videos |
| 13:49.33 | greycat | looks really hard for the Debian part of this question |
| 13:50.00 | ratrace | is it via mtp? |
| 13:50.26 | greycat | I'm still trying to figure out what the word "handy" means in this context, since I don't think he's using the phone as a masturbation aid currently. |
| 13:50.44 | ratrace | handy is german for cellphone |
| 13:50.51 | greycat | ... wow, ok |
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| 13:52.59 | greycat | So is the question actually something like "I have a Debian computer and an android phone and a cable and I plugged them all into each other, I don't even know how, and what do I do next oh yeah my goal is to retrieve files from the android phone and copy them to my web server" |
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| 13:53.16 | ratrace | I was thinking it's maybe that. |
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| 14:31.03 | dar8 | Hi,My webcam is not detected (Computer = Latitude E5470 OS = Debian Buster) As recommended on https://wiki.debian.org/Webcam, i have installed libv4l-0 thought withoutresults ...Can someone please help me ? |
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| 14:45.23 | areyouloco | dar8: launch lsusb and dmesg from terminal and show output |
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| 14:49.48 | dar8 | Sorry I forget to add that this not a usb-camera. It is in the frame (Don't know if it this is the right term) |
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| 14:52.30 | areyouloco | so lspci and dmesg output |
| 14:53.11 | dar8 | I need to paste the output here or in another website ? Dmesg show a very long output ... |
| 14:53.12 | areyouloco | also try to launch your camera with guvcview |
| 14:53.20 | areyouloco | paste it on del.dog |
| 14:53.36 | dar8 | Ok thanks i am doing it |
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| 14:56.47 | dar8 | For dmesg > https://del.dog/jamecuvope.go |
| 14:58.10 | dar8 | For lspci > https://del.dog/ratuppolah.txt |
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| 15:00.04 | areyouloco | dar8: nothing obvious seems like |
| 15:00.25 | areyouloco | install guvcview and lunch it see if it detects your camera |
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| 15:02.26 | dar8 | guvcview > https://del.dog/panigubito.txt |
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| 15:07.38 | dostoyevsky | hmmmm... apt-mark showmanual # doesn't show me that I installed a package e.g. via "-t buster-backports" ... |
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| 15:08.13 | Akuw | how can i know if SElinux is enabled ? |
| 15:08.44 | Akuw | getenforce retunr Command not found |
| 15:08.53 | Akuw | i guess it is not enabled |
| 15:09.00 | areyouloco | it is by default |
| 15:09.31 | areyouloco | install selinux-utils the command is thete |
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| 15:11.30 | dar8 | Guvcview is not working also > https://del.dog/panigubito.txt |
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| 15:19.17 | areyouloco | @dar8: is your camera not disabled in bios/uefi? was it working ever before? |
| 15:20.20 | dar8 | It was not working before, i will check the bios |
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| 15:22.00 | dar8 | I am going to check it, brb |
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| 15:39.54 | dar8 | I just checked the bios and yes i forgot that i have disabled it ...I will note it in the future if i disabled something important so this kind of things don't happen again.Thanks for the help |
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| 15:49.55 | lupulo | hi |
| 15:50.09 | lupulo | i have a nvme from a laptop |
| 15:50.29 | lupulo | i try to connect that with usb but it only assin sdd |
| 15:50.38 | lupulo | not number |
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| 15:51.45 | lupulo | http://dpaste.com/28BD2JN |
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| 15:54.39 | lwp | lupulo, try: fdisk -l /dev/sdd |
| 15:54.54 | kakashihatake | hi |
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| 15:57.18 | lupulo | lwp, lsblk not detect sdd |
| 15:57.36 | lupulo | fdisk -l /dev/sdd not finds sdd |
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| 15:59.14 | lwp | lupulo, what is the exact output from that fdisk command ? |
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| 16:00.18 | lupulo | lwp, cannot open /dev/sdd: No medium found |
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| 16:01.56 | lwp | lupulo, are there new messages in dmesg after what you already pasted for us ? |
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| 16:04.00 | lupulo | yes lwp |
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| 16:04.54 | lupulo | the product says USB 3.0 UASP to M.2 SATA SSD |
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| 16:16.38 | wrksx | hey, what is 127.0.0.53? is this a special thing setup by systemd ? |
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| 16:18.05 | wrksx | ignore me, found the answer |
| 16:18.11 | greycat | It's an IPv4 address within the loopback namespace. |
| 16:18.46 | greycat | The question is really, what's *using* it. The .53 strongly implies DNS, since 53 is the UDP port used by DNS. |
| 16:18.55 | wrksx | yes indeed |
| 16:19.23 | wrksx | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME |
| 16:19.24 | wrksx | systemd-r 1019 systemd-resolve 12u IPv4 31914 0t0 UDP 127.0.0.53:53 |
| 16:19.24 | wrksx | systemd-r 1019 systemd-resolve 13u IPv4 31915 0t0 TCP 127.0.0.53:53 (LISTEN) |
| 16:19.42 | wrksx | it's the dns part of systemd |
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| 16:21.51 | wrksx | greycat: I think I'm gonna investigate a bit on how loopback addresses work |
| 16:22.04 | ratrace | ws2k3: same as any other |
| 16:22.09 | lupulo | wrksx, no idea about the 127.0.0.1 but you could read man systemd-resolved |
| 16:22.13 | wrksx | It seems like I could bin different service to different loopback addresses |
| 16:22.21 | lupulo | man systemd-resolved |
| 16:22.32 | ratrace | the 127.0.0.53 was arbitrarily chosen by systemd-resolved devs, for the stub resolver. could've been anything. |
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| 16:24.23 | wrksx | So basically my system is only querying systemd's stub, which takes care of the rest (caching, querying etc...)? |
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| 16:24.42 | tds | yep |
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| 16:25.05 | tds | you can systemd-resolve --status or possibly resolvectl to see where resolved is forwarding to |
| 16:25.12 | ratrace | with one distinction, it's a stub resolver, which means it requires a real recursive resolver somewhere in the network |
| 16:25.29 | ratrace | ie. systemd-resolved is not recursive resolver |
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| 16:25.47 | greycat | that depends on the contents of /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:25.56 | ratrace | it doesn't. |
| 16:26.03 | FUtz | !squeeze sources.list |
| 16:26.04 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main". Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf and run «aptitude update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 16:26.20 | wrksx | ratrace: I don't know enought to make complete sense of what you said. Gonna read on the "recursive" property |
| 16:26.44 | greycat | it can't do actual DNS lookups. all it can do is forward requests to another place. |
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| 16:27.08 | ratrace | wrksx: for domain.example.com. it'l recurse from root DNS servers (.) into .com. then get a response for .example.com. and then for domain.example.com. |
| 16:27.33 | wrksx | oh right okay, I remember that |
| 16:27.46 | ratrace | that's what a recursive resolver does. systemd-resolved does not, and needs one "upstream", set by its DNS= and FallbackDNS= entries, defaults to google0s 8.8.8.8 at compile time |
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| 16:30.54 | wrksx | ratrace: where are those entries provided? |
| 16:31.11 | ratrace | /etc/systemd/resolved.conf see resolved.conf(5) manpage |
| 16:31.52 | wrksx | ty |
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| 16:34.33 | ZAJDAN | how to check swap if was overloaded |
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| 16:36.28 | ratrace | ZAJDAN: you can check swap size and how much its used with /sbin/swapon -s |
| 16:36.43 | ratrace | it's also part of `free` and `top` |
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| 16:37.18 | ratrace | you can check swappin activity with vmstat, se si/so columns are swap IN and swap OUT (to disk) respectively |
| 16:37.43 | joepublic | for variety, you can also cat /proc/swaps |
| 16:38.05 | ratrace | true |
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| 16:38.49 | ZAJDAN | the reason is that machine is frozen..I have to reboot and now want to find if the problem was the swap |
| 16:39.02 | joepublic | is it frozen? can you ping it? |
| 16:39.23 | ZAJDAN | yes |
| 16:40.20 | joepublic | ... |
| 16:40.46 | wrksx | =) |
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| 16:46.08 | valoga | I used to be able to cross compile armhf on my aarch64 system but it seems I'm getting a floating point error now, has anyone experienced this before? |
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| 16:53.19 | ZAJDAN | I/O error on HDD should be in dmesg? |
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| 17:01.04 | freq | how do i install arch from a debian install |
| 17:02.30 | L0aD1nG | ls |
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| 17:02.41 | sa-ghosts | Arch as in the arch linux distro? |
| 17:03.28 | freq | yes |
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| 17:04.39 | sa-ghosts | I don't think you can. |
| 17:06.30 | sa-ghosts | also it's much easier to install Arch than to turn Debian (a totally different distro) to it |
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| 17:07.16 | freq | ok |
| 17:07.22 | ratrace | freq: if anyone can answer how to install Arch from <non-ARCH environment> it's #archlinux |
| 17:07.33 | freq | ty |
| 17:07.50 | freq | is termux based on debian? |
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| 17:49.01 | chmykh | Hello dear Debian users! Which version of Debian should I install for desktop and gaming purposes (nvidia user)? I like stability and also I like when packages is not ancient. For example GNOME 3,34 would be awesome. |
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| 17:51.49 | ratrace | ,v gnome |
| 17:51.51 | judd | Package: gnome on amd64 -- jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.22+3; buster: 1:3.30+1; bullseye: 1:3.30+2; sid: 1:3.30+2 |
| 17:51.57 | ratrace | yea, no. |
| 17:52.33 | ratrace | chmykh: your demands are contradictory though. if you wnat gaming, then you must avoid gnome. |
| 17:53.20 | ratrace | chmykh: debian buster works just fine for me. steam works fine. vulkan too. games run in proton just fine. or not at all. I don't care nor need SNS. |
| 17:53.53 | ratrace | gaming doesn't need SNS. steam runtime is still based on Ubuntu 12.04 |
| 17:54.45 | chmykh | ratrace: can you please explain what is buster? Is buster stable tree? Or is it testing? |
| 17:55.05 | ratrace | chmykh: Debian Buster is the current Debian Stable release. testing is Bullseye, the next stable. |
| 17:55.14 | ratrace | !buster |
| 17:55.14 | dpkg | Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuster . Ask me about <install buster>, <release notes>, <stretch->buster>. <apt suite changed> |
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| 17:55.24 | chmykh | ratrace: thank you a lot. And one more - why I should avoid GNOME? |
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| 17:56.08 | ratrace | chmykh: because gnome slows things down a lot. especially for games. tried it, tested it. avoid complex desktops for gaming on linux. WMs or xfce work just fine. |
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| 17:56.47 | chmykh | ratrace: well, gaming is not only purpose. Do you use xfce? |
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| 17:57.02 | ratrace | no, I use i3-wm |
| 17:57.16 | ratrace | (used to use xfce, and gnome, and kde) |
| 17:57.43 | chmykh | ratrace: Can you please share your actual workspace screenshot? I hope I'm not annoying. |
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| 17:58.44 | ratrace | chmykh: what for? it's not eyecandy. it's just i3-wm |
| 17:59.46 | chmykh | ratrace: just to realize how experienced user is using GUI, that's it. I will be very glad for help. My qustions won't last long. |
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| 18:00.57 | ratrace | chmykh: my workspace is just full of terminals which contain non-public information. there's nothing to see. |
| 18:01.11 | chmykh | ok |
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| 18:01.59 | chmykh | ratrace: your advices was very helpful, thank you very much! |
| 18:02.11 | ratrace | I have big, 37" curved screen so a lot of terminals fit there nicely. I love terminals. I love the keyboard, and hate the mouse. my hands very rarely leave the keyboard home row. vim bindings ftw. pro enough? :) |
| 18:02.54 | chmykh | 37 is big, very big screen. |
| 18:03.04 | ratrace | that's on meta-1. meta-2 is firefox. meta-3 is firefox protected mode, linked to urxvt terminal URL launcher. meta-4 is pycharm code editor. meta-5 is steam. |
| 18:03.46 | ratrace | I have another such monitor and it displays work stuff. server stats, graphs, logs... |
| 18:04.03 | chmykh | ratrace: a bit of interview, what is your favorite steam apps? |
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| 18:04.18 | chmykh | two 37 inches, wow. ) |
| 18:04.21 | ratrace | Factorio :) |
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| 18:07.31 | L0aD1nG | rat what would you do if you must select a website after the google search or press a button? spam the Tab ? I love keyboard too but sometimes there is no other option than the mouse.. right? |
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| 18:07.35 | L0aD1nG | ratrace: |
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| 18:08.05 | ratrace | L0aD1nG: unfortunately so. however, there's vimperator but I didn't play with it much |
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| 18:09.04 | L0aD1nG | I want to rename the only user i have, i found what i need on stack overflaw but i am worried.. will the groups change to match the new name for example? |
| 18:09.27 | mzajc | pretty sure you need to run another command for that L0aD1nG |
| 18:09.34 | ratrace | right |
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| 18:10.11 | L0aD1nG | they said only for groupmod so i ll create the new group for the new username |
| 18:10.33 | ratrace | L0aD1nG: keep in mind that new group == new GID |
| 18:10.33 | L0aD1nG | s/new/renamed |
| 18:10.40 | mzajc | I was wondering if there are any working terminal youtube audio-only streaming tool that supported playlists and optionally search. I found mpv-yt a while ago, but that's broken |
| 18:11.01 | mzajc | s/tool/tools |
| 18:11.15 | ratrace | mzajc: mpv itself can't? uses youtube-dl in the background iirc |
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| 18:11.48 | mzajc | that's what I'm currently doing, but it requires me to download the entire audio file to be able to listen to it |
| 18:12.09 | mzajc | it also requires me to go to invidio.us to get the video id, which is also pretty inconvenient |
| 18:12.31 | ratrace | oh |
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| 18:29.03 | vlt | Hello. What might be missing on Debian 10 when I get a "No module named '_ctypes'" error from `pip install mysqlclient` in a Python 3.8.2 venv? https://dpaste.org/ry7z#L47 |
| 18:30.00 | jhutchins | ,v python3 |
| 18:30.01 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.7.3-1; bullseye: 3.8.2-3; sid: 3.8.2-3 |
| 18:30.22 | greycat | ayup, that isn't Debian 10 |
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| 18:33.11 | sponix2ipfw | ,v mysqlclient |
| 18:33.13 | judd | No package named 'mysqlclient' was found in amd64. |
| 18:33.25 | sponix2ipfw | ,v mariadb-client |
| 18:33.26 | judd | Package: mariadb-client on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.32-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.38-0+deb8u1; stretch-security: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 10.1.37-0+deb9u1; stretch: 10.1.44-0+deb9u1; buster: 1:10.3.22-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 1:10.3.22-1; sid: 1:10.3.22-1; experimental: 1:10.4.12-1~exp2; experimental: 1:10.4.12-1~exp3 |
| 18:35.11 | ratrace | the "mysqlclient" here is a python module from pypi, not an apt package |
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| 18:46.24 | vlt | ratrace: Yes, thank you. |
| 18:47.41 | vlt | greycat: "not Debian 10"? Was that for me? (If yes, yes it *is* Debian 10.) |
| 18:48.07 | greycat | then how do you have python 3.8.2 |
| 18:49.09 | vlt | greycat: I installed as a user using pyenv which makes that very convenient. |
| 18:49.47 | greycat | if you're not using Debian's python, then there's probably not a lot we can help you with, here in #debian |
| 18:50.20 | vlt | greycat: pyenv allows me to have different "self contained" Python versions in a user directory. |
| 18:50.31 | greycat | yes, now ask #python for help |
| 18:50.32 | vlt | greycat: Hmmmm :-| |
| 18:50.41 | vlt | greycat: Ok, thank you :-) |
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| 18:55.31 | f8e4 | will debian at some point be rewritten in RUST, because no overflow/static safe? |
| 18:56.08 | jhutchins | f8e4: Debian is not written in any one language, it is a collection of packages written in many. |
| 18:56.09 | dvs | feels a "pal" coming on |
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| 18:57.13 | mureena | No Debian is getting rewritten with brainfuck and R |
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| 18:58.55 | f8e4 | mureena if not angent smith will be grateful |
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| 19:04.59 | dvs | oui |
| 19:05.14 | JPT | Over the years, perhaps some programs might be replaced or rewritten - but rewriting everything at once would be too much to ask. |
| 19:05.38 | JPT | That's just like asking "When will all the street lights on all the roads be replaced with LED ones? |
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| 19:07.22 | L0aD1nG | I have no sound on tor browser. what might causing that? |
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| 19:08.10 | petn-randall | L0aD1nG: Which OS release are you running? |
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| 19:10.20 | L0aD1nG | buster |
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| 19:10.45 | L0aD1nG | the weird thing is that i had sound before some days... it works fine on firefox |
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| 19:12.36 | L0aD1nG | smplayer has sound also its just tor. i didnt touch anything that had to do with it. |
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| 19:19.44 | somiaj | L0aD1nG: are you using pulse audio? |
| 19:20.05 | somiaj | L0aD1nG: (mostlikely yes), maybe check out pavucontrol and see if the tor browser appears and for some reason it has been muted, pulse alows configuration per application |
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| 19:21.55 | ws2k3 | so i installed debian with software. ran grub-install. that went all fine. but after boot im getting a grub error error: disk ''mduuid/somelongidhere' not found what could this be? |
| 19:22.37 | somiaj | ws2k3: could the uuid grub is using be invalid, maybe check the uuid that is not found, to the uuid of the actual file system |
| 19:23.36 | ws2k3 | somiaj when i run ls i see (md/0) but when i run ls (md/0) i get not found |
| 19:23.54 | somiaj | what file system is on that partition? |
| 19:24.02 | ws2k3 | ext |
| 19:24.25 | somiaj | My guess is some misconfiguration, but I don't think I know the details well enough to have an idea what. |
| 19:24.37 | somiaj | (I have about zero expeience with the grub shell) |
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| 19:30.43 | ws2k3 | somiaj i checked once booted in rescue i can boot mount the /dev/dm0 just fine |
| 19:30.47 | ws2k3 | so what exacly could be wrong |
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| 19:32.01 | L0aD1nG | i rebooted and the tor sound corrected. |
| 19:35.00 | somiaj | ws2k3: might just be the grub config having an issue, did you ever run update-grub (or only grub-install)? |
| 19:40.05 | ws2k3 | somiaj just did grub-install again on all disk(went fine) and ran grub-update again. and it found some images. now gonna try again |
| 19:40.23 | ws2k3 | somiaj nope same error |
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| 19:44.30 | mandeep | i think i installed an audio package that changed my sound settings such that now audio is controlled on a per application basis. anyone know how i can find which package did this? |
| 19:44.40 | ws2k3 | somiaj does grub support booting from raid10? i remember some versions of grub do not support that |
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| 19:45.16 | somiaj | ws2k3: I know there have been some improvements, but my (maybe outdated info) was to have a /boot outside of the raid. |
| 19:45.35 | somiaj | mandeep: pulseaudio? |
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| 19:45.59 | mandeep | somiaj: yeah it may be pulseaudio looking into it now |
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| 19:46.40 | somiaj | I finally had to take the dive and just use pulseaudio now. It has better software mixing than alsa, and almost all apps support it now |
| 19:47.00 | somiaj | (I used alsa for years, but got harder and harder with some apps only support pulse and not alsa) |
| 19:47.11 | greycat | I installed it to get support for a USB microphone. So far, no problems. |
| 19:47.12 | mandeep | yeah but the per application audio is driving me crazy |
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| 19:47.28 | mandeep | especially since the settings seem to keep changing |
| 19:47.45 | somiaj | mandeep: pavucontrol is useful, I actually like the per application (gave me a central place to configure outputs/levels for applications in which this is hard to configure) |
| 19:48.08 | mandeep | thanks ill look into it |
| 19:48.15 | ws2k3 | somiaj it seems grub2 does not support booting of a raid10 |
| 19:48.17 | somiaj | and the de independent pavucontrol gave a simplisitic way to configure it all |
| 19:48.27 | mandeep | i see |
| 19:48.45 | somiaj | ws2k3: yea, I tink the suggestion of having /boot outside of raid is still prefered. I know in some caes not needed |
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| 19:49.23 | mandeep | gotta logout to test these changes |
| 19:49.25 | somiaj | well outsie of raid, lvm, encryption, etc. Having a simple /boot makes grub's world way easier. On the side affect grub really isn't needed with efi if your firmware can see your efi partition (unsure if you can put that in raid though) |
| 19:49.46 | ws2k3 | somiaj my disk is gpt. i already need a partition for grub itself right? |
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| 19:50.08 | somiaj | ws2k3: grub should be living in your efi partition if using efi boot (or the mbr partition if using legacy) |
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| 19:50.25 | somiaj | though it can share its efi partition with other stuff |
| 19:50.31 | ws2k3 | im using bios not eufi |
| 19:50.48 | ws2k3 | somiaj but when using gpt i think i need a partition for it |
| 19:51.08 | somiaj | then you'll need some mbr compadability partition then. I have only used legcy with mbr tables and efi with gpt tables. |
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| 19:51.19 | ws2k3 | i see |
| 19:51.28 | somiaj | never saw a reason in my limited case to try to mix them, for legacy machines I just use mbr |
| 19:51.56 | mandeep | well i guess uninstalling pulseaudio gave me back universal sound settings, but now my keyboard volume controls don't work :( |
| 19:52.27 | mandeep | i wonder if it was alsa-tools |
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| 19:54.14 | somiaj | mandeep: the volume controls may depend on the DE, most DE's require pulse. |
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| 19:54.40 | somiaj | You can configure the defaults that all apps use in pulse, you don't have to configure each app indvidually (I never did, I only used per app configurations for apps I didn't want to use defaults) |
| 19:55.03 | somiaj | But if you can recofnigure your keybindings in your DE/WM, you can have them issues alsa commands to raise/lower volume. |
| 19:55.25 | mandeep | yeah i dont think pulse was the problem so i reinstalled it |
| 19:56.55 | mandeep | how does pavucontrol differ from what can be found in the Sound system panel |
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| 19:58.48 | somiaj | It might give more options, depending on which DE you use |
| 19:59.04 | somiaj | I just suggest pavucontrol because it works with all DEs and Windowmangers (not all have a sound system panel) |
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| 20:03.43 | mandeep | i see |
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| 20:35.47 | ZAJDAN | I catch via 'journalctl -f' gsch_scan (inode=8324900, type=1, flags=0x0) interrupted & wait |
| 20:35.58 | ZAJDAN | do you think is it problem with HDD? |
| 20:36.25 | sney | could be, particularly if you get a lot of them |
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| 20:38.59 | jhutchins | ZAJDAN: Install smartmontooks, enable it, and watch for bad block messages in /var/log/messages &/or dmesg. |
| 20:39.05 | ZAJDAN | sney: last few days system suddenly freezes ...so I have catched thin in journalctl |
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| 20:39.41 | ZAJDAN | jutchins: will it works when is it virtualized machine? |
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| 20:41.03 | jhutchins | ZAJDAN: A VM has no real hardware, you need to troubleshoot hardware on the host machine. |
| 20:41.26 | jhutchins | ZAJDAN: Those messages are more likely a symptom than a cause. |
| 20:42.06 | ZAJDAN | jhutchins: symptom of what? |
| 20:42.14 | ZAJDAN | bad HDD? |
| 20:42.50 | jhutchins | ZAJDAN: There is no HDD. There is a virtual disk, which is a file on the host HD. |
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| 20:44.12 | ZAJDAN | jhutchins: true....but anyway when I see in the message 'inode'it points me to HDD |
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| 20:44.22 | jhutchins | ZAJDAN: More likely is resource contention with the host causing it to pause the VM during a disk operation. |
| 20:44.47 | jhutchins | ZAJDAN: Again, any hardware troubleshooting needs to be done on the host, not the VM. |
| 20:45.00 | ZAJDAN | yes I agree |
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| 21:10.04 | Warptwist | Hi. I'm fairly new in the wonderful world of Linux. I have been setting up a home server, and for the most part I have figured things out as I went along. At this point I'm in the process of configuring my Iptables. I'm logging dropped packages, and I need help understanding what the log line means. https://privatebin.net/?c3fe28c8d122572e#6E1H5aqiifTPr3asuzJYFW6edCoxNXcHvg4KhdwH8xUX |
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| 21:12.37 | sney | there's not much point to a firewall on a system that's behind a NAT already. but you can see what's happening here by looking at the source and destination ips and ports and then matching that to traffic that you know is on your network |
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| 21:16.21 | cybercrypto | Warptwist: welcome to the real world. I recommend you to use netfilter instead, i believe it is default in debian already. https://wiki.debian.org/nftables |
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| 21:17.04 | sney | (iptables is netfilter, but nftables is the new one and will be more useful to know in the future, yeah) |
| 21:17.05 | cybercrypto | Warptwist: there is plenty of docs that explains the concepts behind it, perhaps will help you during the traces/troubleshooting |
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| 21:19.14 | phogg | pretty sure they're both netfilter |
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| 21:21.12 | cybercrypto | sney: phogg: yes, correct. Debian Buster uses the nftables framework by default, so it is recommended by the netfilter project page to start using it, instead iptables. |
| 21:21.50 | dvs | bah |
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| 21:23.49 | Warptwist | Thanks guys. I will definitely look into using nftables instead. Any good practical use tutorials you guys know of? |
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| 21:27.01 | cybercrypto | Warptwist: check the wiki, is a good start point (you will find the netfilter.org project link as well, it is more detailed there. |
| 21:27.02 | ratrace | cybercrypto: what?! debian uses neither by default |
| 21:27.22 | dob1 | nft add rule ip filter output ip daddr 1.2.3.4 drop iptables -A OUTPUT -d 1.2.3.4 -j DROP I find the latter easier |
| 21:27.22 | dob1 | it was just difficult to learn iptables, now it's deprecated? |
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| 21:28.26 | ratrace | dob1: it's not yet deprecated |
| 21:29.01 | dob1 | ratrace, ok but you wrote "yet" |
| 21:29.12 | cybercrypto | ratrace: it is published in the debian wiki, in bold caps lock: Current status |
| 21:29.16 | cybercrypto | NOTE: Debian Buster uses the nftables framework by default |
| 21:29.48 | dob1 | it's not "official" the wiki |
| 21:30.01 | cybercrypto | ratrace: if thats not true, we may raise a fix for that page info. |
| 21:30.33 | ratrace | iptables is not deprecated. nftables is not necessarily THE successor to it, since kernel devs are looking into BPF based firewall |
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| 21:30.46 | ratrace | if you wanna use iptables, do so with no fear of it disappearing soon |
| 21:31.35 | dob1 | and... if you specify 2 rules that are in conflict, one with iptables one with nftables, what happen? |
| 21:32.30 | ratrace | I don't know |
| 21:32.53 | tds | avoid mixing them if you can, things get quite messy |
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| 21:39.37 | dob1 | nft add rule ip filter input tcp dport {telnet, http, https} accept vs iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m multiport --dports 23,80,443 -j ACCEPT |
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| 21:52.17 | cybercrypto | ratrace: I am checking update-alternatives in a default debian install. It is pre-defined there with higher priority. test made on buster 10.3 |
| 21:53.46 | cybercrypto | ratrace: the group link is pointing to a mixed name "iptables-nft" using auto |
| 21:54.17 | cybercrypto | ratrace: do you know what it means? |
| 21:54.33 | somiaj | that sounds about right, on debian buster iptables is actually a front end to nftables via iptables-nft |
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| 21:54.43 | somiaj | I think this was in the release notes |
| 21:55.30 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#nftables |
| 21:55.46 | cybercrypto | somiaj: thanks, I got confused by the answer from ratrace related to this topic, and what is on the wiki page. |
| 21:56.15 | cybercrypto | somiaj: to me, sounds like debian buster uses nftables as default framework for now. |
| 21:56.32 | somiaj | correct, one would have ot install iptables-legacy to use the iptables |
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| 22:08.41 | tds | both iptables-nft and iptables-legacy are part of the iptables package - you just need to use update-alternatives to switch if you want to |
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| 22:15.18 | dashs | Can dd be used to zero an entire disk (small ssd)? |
| 22:15.52 | tradar | yes |
| 22:16.40 | vvor | But not practical on SSD |
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| 22:18.14 | dashs | vvor: and why? |
| 22:20.13 | derpadmin | you never know if you whipe an ssd (correct me if I am wrong) |
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| 22:21.12 | vvor | dashs: Why are you zeroing at the first place? |
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| 22:22.47 | tradar | dashs: if you need it for privacy - possibly - it's first better to overwrite it with random data first, and then zero it. In a single go: shred -vzn1 /dev/ssx |
| 22:23.59 | vvor | tradar: dashs: Not on SSDs! You only wear out the drive. the zeroed sector will return 0, but the data is likely still on the drive. |
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| 22:26.14 | tradar | vvor: i think you misread my previous msg |
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| 22:28.18 | cybercrypto | dashs: what is your goal, by zeroing an SSD disk? |
| 22:33.50 | vvor | tradar: Mybe, but the point is you/he needs to find out what secure erase and or disk encryption the SSD supports. The dd/shred options should not be blindly used on SSD drives. |
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| 22:46.27 | ws2k3 | https://puu.sh/FxBoe/9ea838aaa7.png anyone got some advise on how i could resolve this? |
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| 22:57.41 | Deihmos | ubuntu |
| 22:57.46 | Deihmos | error |
| 22:58.15 | dvs | yup |
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| 23:52.36 | incal | hello, can I repartition the filesystem somehow after the install of Debian to make room for a second Linux distro or Debian instance? I didn't think of this when I installed the Debian I'm on now and I don't want to loose all the files and configurations I already did. but I do have a lot of disk space so I'd be happy to give some from the first instance so to speak |
| 23:54.30 | incal | can parted set this up, then I just reboot with installation media and choose the set-up partitions for install? |
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| 23:55.17 | sney | you shouldn't resize a partition that your OS is currently running from. but there are livecds that make the process pretty easy. |
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| 23:55.48 | vvor | Boot with Clonezilla and resize |
| 23:55.56 | cybercrypto | incal: do you have no space left on your disk, and you need to 'resize' partitions? |
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| 23:56.03 | vvor | Make sure you have a backup |
| 23:56.14 | sney | clonezilla is overkill when there's https://gparted.org/livecd.php but yes in principle |
| 23:56.51 | incal | this computer doesn't have a CD, it works with USB? |
| 23:57.00 | vvor | Yep |
| 23:57.02 | ratrace | can be done from debian installation media too |
| 23:57.52 | incal | is a partition filled up lineary from 0 -> max or how does it know what parts to take for the new one? |
| 23:58.43 | sney | yes, it's essentially linear. and filesystem utilities know how to shrink a volume without deleting anything you put on it, as long as there's enough space overall. |
| 23:58.59 | incal | great, but you don't do this from the running OS? |
| 23:59.07 | joepublic | and this usually* works, not problem (*important key word) |
| 23:59.24 | sney | best not to modify filesystems that are online. |
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