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| 00:21.33 | tds | that's not safe if the VM was running, but you may be able to read a file out of it anyway |
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| 01:16.08 | Akuw_ | hi |
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| 01:16.37 | Akuw_ | any diference between 2019a-0 and 2019a-1 for chile? |
| 01:16.48 | Akuw_ | any diference between tzdata 2019a-0 and 2019a-1 for chile? |
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| 01:25.52 | sney | Akuw_: probably not but check the changelog |
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| 02:13.49 | usr01234321eq111 | Hey anyone knows some tips or info about lxc? |
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| 02:15.23 | usr01234321eq111 | I'm triying to install and use this program since some people told me that I couldn't use VirtualBox on Debian Buster i386 |
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| 02:16.42 | lwp | !lxc |
| 02:16.42 | dpkg | Linux Containers (LXC) is an open source virtualization system using kernel-level isolation. http://wiki.debian.org/LXC http://lxc.sf.net/ See also <virtualization>. |
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| 02:20.23 | sponix | okay, folding at home had a dep that I needed to ignore on install, not it keeps flagging as a broken package. How do I have it ignore that ? |
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| 02:26.01 | sney | sponix: do you mean the pygtk2 thing? just remove fahcontrol or fahviewer (whichever had the deb) and control f@h through the browser |
| 02:26.37 | sney | all you need to run folding at home is the fahclient package. the other stuff is optional. |
| 02:26.37 | sponix | The following packages have unmet dependencies: fahcontrol : Depends: python-gnome2 but it is not installable |
| 02:26.47 | sney | yes, exactly. remove fahcontrol. |
| 02:27.02 | usr01234321eq111 | And how should I run it? In a terminal? In the console, it says "zsh: command not found: lxc" |
| 02:27.10 | sponix | sney: will the browser let me set only my extra GPU to be used with cuda ? |
| 02:27.21 | sney | sponix: no but you can set that in the config file, I did |
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| 02:27.56 | sponix | sney: well I have the favcontrol running and stuff, just need to know how to tell the package manager to ignore that fake issue |
| 02:28.50 | sney | usr01234321eq111: 'lxc' is not a command, you are probably looking for 'lxc-attach' or 'lxc-create' or something like that. type lxc and hit tab twice |
| 02:29.04 | sney | sponix: well, you can use equivs to tell apt a package is installed |
| 02:29.15 | sney | !equivs |
| 02:29.15 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
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| 02:29.25 | usr01234321eq111 | Thanks |
| 02:31.12 | sponix | sney: thanks.. just found something about that. will continue to read |
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| 02:34.10 | usr01234321eq111 | How much difficult will be to install and run VirtualBox? |
| 02:35.48 | usr01234321eq111 | I don't mean to say that I'll left this (and give up), but now, I really need a fast and easy manner to virtualize an OS |
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| 02:36.32 | sponix | sney: that got it for me.. Thanks again |
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| 02:37.36 | sney | usr01234321eq111: using virtualbox is usually trivial, but you said you're running i386 right? virtualbox doesn't distribute 32-bit binaries anymore. only amd64. |
| 02:39.13 | sney | well, they have debs for 5.2 here but they only support stretch, and if there's a dep mismatch in buster you're out of luck most likely: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Download_Old_Builds_5_2 |
| 02:41.24 | usr01234321eq111 | Well, I have an amd64 also. But works really bad. I often changed mine HDD where is this installation. May be it could helps. |
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| 02:42.39 | sney | anyway: virtualbox generally works on debian, but debian can't distribute the packages anymore due to upstream's refusal to help with security issues in stable releases. |
| 02:43.14 | sney | I will tell you that once you get over the initial confusion of lxc, it's very stable and just works. so I do recommend that route. |
| 02:44.34 | usr01234321eq111 | Or Vagrant? |
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| 02:51.39 | sney | usr01234321eq111: with vagrant you still need to be running a hypervisor of some sort, so to use it on linux you *also* need to set up kvm, and it's probably more work than just getting lxc going |
| 02:51.49 | sney | whoever gave you the lxc tip was right lol |
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| 02:52.53 | sney | though I'll also mention, there is a program called 'gnome-boxes' that is kinda similar to virtualbox and lets you point and click to create VMs, etc. it uses libvirt and kvm and uses a lot more memory than lxc. if you have an old cpu it's probably going to be miserable |
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| 02:57.16 | afidegnum | hello, i am setting samba4 on my dedicated server, should i install bind9 on my server or i can allow my domain name provider to manage my DNS ? |
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| 02:59.23 | sney | well, you should never expose samba to the public internet, so some kind of local (network) dns will be necessary in most use cases |
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| 03:00.16 | sney | but whether it's bind or dnsmasq or via another appliance, well, that depends on what you're doing |
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| 03:03.25 | usr01234321eq111 | Anyway. I'll try with all the options that I know. Even when the one that you mentioned. |
| 03:03.37 | usr01234321eq111 | Thanks for your help. |
| 03:03.42 | usr01234321eq111 | Bye. |
| 03:03.50 | sney | waves |
| 03:06.59 | afidegnum | sney: how do I connect to it remotely if i need to protect samba from the public ? |
| 03:07.49 | sney | vpn, ssh tunnel, etc |
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| 03:08.59 | afidegnum | thanks, |
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| 03:10.01 | afidegnum | one more question, i want to use windows client to connect to it, i'm still new to the VPN concept even though it's a laudable idea, how do i configure the windows login to connect via VPN ? |
| 03:10.46 | sney | there's a bit more to it than that. |
| 03:10.48 | sney | !vpn |
| 03:10.48 | dpkg | A Virtual Private Network (VPN) is constructed by connecting computers together over the Internet and encrypting their communications. This provides the ability to access LAN resources from remote locations. Ask me about <openvpn>, <openswan>, <openssh> (see -w option), <vpnc>, <pptp>. |
| 03:11.15 | sney | you should do a bit more research on networking etc before you try to set this up, it'll be a lot less frustrating if you understand what's going on |
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| 03:17.24 | usr01234321eq111 | Hi again |
| 03:19.03 | usr01234321eq111 | I'm only for informing that recently I've installed gnome-boxes and works fine until now. I've used it before a time ago. Anyway, I'll be connected and informing. |
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| 03:23.00 | usr_ | In another question.. When I installed this time, I've left separated partitions /home /var etc. My question is if I can resize this partitions (and encrypt 'em) without losing data. It is possible? |
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| 03:24.10 | usr_ | I think I used Gparted Live (on an USB) to resize and edit them. |
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| 03:29.03 | trek00 | usr_: if they are on lvm you can resize easily, if not you can shrink easily but to growth partition needs to have space after the end |
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| 03:29.35 | trek00 | usr_: i don't know about encrypting without making a copy |
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| 03:58.21 | usr01234321eq111 | Thanks |
| 03:59.12 | usr01234321eq111 | @trek00 The copy is just in case of I mess the partition? I mean, a backup. |
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| 04:04.54 | trek00 | usr01234321eq111: no, i think you need to make a new partition with encryption enabled and then copy back data |
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| 04:33.17 | pie3 | anyone aware about gaussian distribution? |
| 04:35.05 | miskatonic | distribution of what? |
| 04:35.34 | miskatonic | i guess that the age of debian users is nowhere near normally distributed |
| 04:36.57 | pie3 | it is used in machine learning miskatonic (offtopic question) |
| 04:38.28 | miskatonic | for machine learning, python3 can use the modules scipy and numpy; or R, which is particularly suited for statistics |
| 04:39.34 | miskatonic | Octave too, but I do not know whether Debian's packages for Ocatve contain the modules for machine learning. |
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| 04:46.47 | pie3 | how it(gaussian) is used to convert 1D data into 2D/3D/higher dimension data? miskatonic |
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| 04:48.23 | miskatonic | why woul;d one want toconvert 1d data into 2 or 3d data? |
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| 05:30.15 | sc0utonlinux | chown is giving me "operation not permited" even as root . and drive is mounted as RW , can anyone advise ? |
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| 05:31.21 | themill | what filesystem is in use |
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| 05:33.41 | sc0utonlinux | themill: vfat .. does it not support it ? |
| 05:35.00 | themill | correct |
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| 05:36.55 | sc0utonlinux | themill: so if i want a user to have read/write access i need to set that at mount, that's the only way right ? |
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| 05:49.12 | themill | !vfatrw |
| 05:49.12 | dpkg | To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". |
| 05:49.20 | themill | that's correct, it's all about the mount options |
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| 05:52.56 | sc0utonlinux | themill: great thank you! i mounted as umask 000 but i think security wise thats bad and will use the advice from "!vfatrw" seems much more security wise |
| 05:53.38 | sc0utonlinux | when i ran --help on mount "umask" isnt mentioned as a valid option |
| 05:54.36 | sc0utonlinux | so only learning about it now |
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| 06:01.03 | themill | !man mount |
| 06:01.03 | dpkg | man mount is probably at http://manpages.debian.org/mount where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
| 06:01.25 | themill | the man pages are much more extensive than the short --help output |
| 06:02.06 | sc0utonlinux | ill stick to man next time :) thanks again |
| 06:04.52 | sc0utonlinux | is there anyway to see a list of all ! messages this channel has ? |
| 06:05.04 | annadane | !search dpkg |
| 06:05.04 | sc0utonlinux | seems like there is a wealth of very good consice information stored |
| 06:05.04 | dpkg | You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at https://dpkg.donarmstrong.com/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>. |
| 06:05.20 | sc0utonlinux | nice |
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| 06:13.15 | themill | There's 40k factoids in the database and most of them are either ancient or crap, so no, you don't want a list of all of them ;) |
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| 06:14.55 | annadane | !best qotd |
| 06:14.55 | dpkg | < tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc |
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| 06:39.55 | Unit193 | ...Ouch. |
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| 06:46.41 | sahil | need help |
| 06:47.53 | sahil | sound is not working. In pulse audio, the output device is "dummy output", i think that should have to be something else, right? |
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| 07:00.31 | annadane | we need a night crew :P |
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| 07:02.32 | Eryn1983 | hello |
| 07:02.38 | sahil | so, where should i ask now? |
| 07:03.19 | Eryn1983 | How do i make a efi boot partition in the installer? |
| 07:03.42 | Eryn1983 | should i see if it prompts me |
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| 07:04.11 | sahil | eryn1983, format it to fat32 and mark the flags boot and esp. |
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| 07:04.41 | Eryn1983 | ok |
| 07:04.43 | Eryn1983 | ty |
| 07:04.49 | sahil | np |
| 07:05.11 | annadane | may as well just stay here sahil, freenode has more users |
| 07:05.50 | annadane | or again if you want, the mailing lists |
| 07:05.50 | sahil | okay |
| 07:05.52 | annadane | !debian-user |
| 07:05.52 | dpkg | debian-user is a <mailing list> for on which users of Debian can seek help from other users. List address: debian-user@lists.debian.org. Archives: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ . Also available through <NNTP> from gmane.org. |
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| 07:06.21 | sahil | um, what are you talking about? |
| 07:06.45 | annadane | you can send an email to debian mailing lists and maybe get a reply, if irc is particularly dead |
| 07:06.53 | sahil | ok |
| 07:07.17 | annadane | though whether email or irc, you do need to be patient, someone will get around to it eventually |
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| 07:12.11 | annadane | or of course ask in a few hours when more people are awake |
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| 08:01.35 | rolldebian | Hello! I consider installing linux as a dual boot and looking into something stable with semi-new packages. It seems debian has a big software base, but that new versions go in every 2 years is too long for me. Would installing parrot home be more advisable rather than going for debian-testing/unstable in such situation for stability and ease of |
| 08:01.36 | rolldebian | use? |
| 08:02.45 | sc0utonlinux | rolldebian: why do you need "new packages" ? |
| 08:03.38 | SpeedyG | I'm using debian now for several years with mostly the regular delivered packages... am not saying that I miss (m)any features or so |
| 08:04.05 | SpeedyG | so for me, no need for the bleeding edge that some distros provide... but that, in the end, is a personal taste/choice |
| 08:04.48 | sc0utonlinux | i agree it has everything you need .. not missing any function...i would check what you actually need and see if debian doesn't have it already anyway .. |
| 08:05.01 | watom | i think he's basically asking if is better to use devel debian or some fork of devel debian |
| 08:05.28 | rolldebian | I like upgrading my hardware and i enjoyed the latest kde desktop i tried on a friends manjaro |
| 08:05.55 | sahil | give a try to elementary so |
| 08:06.00 | sahil | i mean os |
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| 08:07.20 | rolldebian | watom this |
| 08:07.44 | rolldebian | sahil thx for the suggestion, ill look into it |
| 08:09.01 | rolldebian | Ugh, ubuntu based, my friend told me they installed amazon spyware and warned to avoid it, id rather not given that |
| 08:09.21 | watom | hilarious |
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| 08:12.02 | rolldebian | So, does anyone have a suggestion that fits my wants and needs? Or should i go for other distros? |
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| 08:15.43 | jhutchins | rolldebian: If you need your computer to do functional tasks, use Debian stable. |
| 08:16.15 | sc0utonlinux | rolldebian: kdeneon might be worth a try |
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| 08:16.38 | jhutchins | rolldebian: If you want to spend your time and effort messing with the OS, run Gentoo.\ |
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| 08:17.10 | watom | it's just the wrong channel |
| 08:17.16 | watom | asking #debian if there is something better than debian is weird |
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| 08:17.32 | SpeedyG | there's something better than debian... its called debian ;) |
| 08:17.34 | watom | i woudl avoid using testing as daily os |
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| 08:24.57 | rolldebian | As said, i heavily tend to debian and think parrot might be a good midway between being stable, simple enough and not having old software that doesn't support newer hardware |
| 08:25.55 | rolldebian | But thanks for the suggestions, ill look into them, though gentoo sounds unappealing |
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| 08:27.44 | SpeedyG | <trauma>gentoo is nice, if you like to watch compiler screens for ages</trauma> |
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| 08:37.46 | ratrace | SpeedyG: --quiet-build for nice output, no compiler screens |
| 08:41.09 | rolldebian | I think ill go with parrot home kde after looking into it, thank you for your input! :) |
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| 08:41.59 | SpeedyG | ratrace: so... looking at an empty terminal for ages then? :D (did this ages ago when still on a 233Mhz Celeron) |
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| 08:42.56 | ratrace | SpeedyG: it's not empty at all. |
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| 08:43.38 | SpeedyG | oh wait, I miss-read.... you said 'nice output' :) sorry there.. |
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| 08:45.20 | ratrace | It shows you a list of ebuilds it started to merge, and those that finished already. Vast majority of packages are tiny and quick to build, and don't forget perl, python and other "noarch" that don't compile at all... |
| 08:45.32 | ratrace | and oops, this is #debian, thought we were in #gentoo |
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| 09:34.02 | how2backport | Hello! Im just installed libreoffice through a backport and have a question: will it update like the rest of packages with update&&upgrade accordingly? |
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| 09:43.33 | Akuw_ | hi, how can i check timezone in openjdk? |
| 09:43.54 | _nick_ | Hi. What should I write to the debian/control file so that when the package is removed another package will installed automatically? |
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| 09:48.50 | _nick_ | For example I remove Firefox and google chrome install automatically. Package firefox was rebuild |
| 09:49.07 | nkuttler | _nick_: that doesn't sound like a good idea |
| 09:49.19 | Akuw_ | anybody knows about that? |
| 09:49.25 | nkuttler | _nick_: afaik that's usually handled by dependencies, and provides-foo |
| 09:49.46 | nkuttler | Akuw_: sounds like a question for a java support forum? |
| 09:50.04 | Akuw_ | i am there |
| 09:50.12 | Akuw_ | thanks |
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| 09:53.46 | Unit193 | how2backport: From buster-backports? Yes, once you jump to a backport then you get updates from there for that specific package too. |
| 09:55.34 | how2backport | Ok, thanks! |
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| 09:56.57 | how2backport | Where can i check if a package i want has a backport? |
| 09:57.53 | how2backport | F.e. id like newer plasma desktop, but cant really see here: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=sourcenames&keywords=plasma-desktop if there is a backport to it |
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| 10:17.25 | DracoSentien | the idea that Linux is a secure OS is a myth. Redhat largely controls development of linux these days e.g. debian systemd adoption. The biggest customer of Redhat is th US military so that means backdoors and security vulnerabilities in the OS |
| 10:17.32 | DracoSentien | Linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that |
| 10:17.37 | DracoSentien | OpenBSD is the way |
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| 10:25.43 | ratrace | The grapes are sour, eh? :) |
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| 10:46.05 | SpeedyG | very ^_^ |
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| 10:54.20 | how2backport | Where can i check if a package i want has a backport? F.e. id like newer plasma desktop, but cant really see here: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=sourcenames&keywords=... if there is a backport to it |
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| 10:56.57 | Unit193 | Synaptic can likely list backports pretty well, as can `apt list` |
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| 12:43.15 | vertuxt[m] | how2backport: if you have the Backports in your apt lists you can ask apt about available versions for your package ... apt policy |
| 12:44.07 | karlpinc | how2backport: backports.debian.org |
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| 12:46.54 | no_gravity | Hello! Is there a way to copy/past the line above the current line in the terminal? |
| 12:46.57 | no_gravity | Aka copy/paste the output of the last command? |
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| 12:49.22 | how2backport | Fkin pc crashed, but thanks, i saw the messages, will look up in log |
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| 12:52.42 | how2backport | Am i reading it wrong or is the channel log not updated yet for me to read the responses? |
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| 13:01.38 | ice9 | mysqltuner is giving me duplicate suggestions "query_cache_size = 0" and "query_cache_size > 16M"; which one i should use? and in general is the query cache good or bad? |
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| 13:25.00 | no_gravity | How can I run this only for files that contain \n\r newlines? sed -i 's/\r$//' |
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| 13:46.49 | siductionsded | Hello! I know its prob not the channel for it, but looking at distrowatch siduction seems to be dead- is it so? If so, can somebody suggest me a sid-based distro? The only ones i find there is siduction and clonezilla |
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| 13:49.25 | joepublic | I am using my favorite sid-based distro at the moment. "Debian Sid" |
| 13:49.56 | siductionsded | I just want it to be semi-rolling so i dont get day 1 bugs, i dont need bleeding edge |
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| 13:56.18 | ratrace | siductionsded: so... run sid then? |
| 13:56.50 | towo` | hm, https://isobuilds.siduction.org/ doesn't look like dead |
| 13:57.20 | towo` | even that it's not the right channel for questions about siduction |
| 13:57.56 | ratrace | towo`: no, no, project origins are wrong source of info. one must go to click-metric distrowatch for con-firmations! |
| 13:58.06 | siductionsded | As said, i dont want possible day 1 package breakage, i want it |
| 13:58.43 | siductionsded | I saw them, so it's developped but it'll just upgrade the packages from 2018 to 20 once im booted? |
| 13:58.47 | towo` | siductionsded, what makes you think, in siduction you are safe for such bugs? |
| 13:59.40 | ratrace | Sid is hardly bleeding edge... |
| 14:00.17 | ratrace | this is not arch linux where packages are updated faster than their origin githubs make tags :) |
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| 14:07.28 | siductionsded | I thought of siductions as holding back sid packages and testing them, then releasing them once tested, maybe false perception |
| 14:07.53 | ratrace | you mean like Debian Testing? |
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| 14:08.52 | siductionsded | Ye, but i read it's not best security wise, so in that aspect its advisable to stick to sid or stable |
| 14:09.14 | ratrace | right. |
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| 14:10.34 | siductionsded | Ok, so is there a distro that tests sid, bundles tested packages and pushes them semi-regularly and said provides security updates? |
| 14:10.46 | siductionsded | Cause siduction sounds like it, maybe im wrong |
| 14:10.54 | ratrace | yes, it's called Ubuntu |
| 14:11.50 | siductionsded | ubuntu is based on sid? |
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| 14:12.35 | ratrace | yes, sources debs from sid every 6 months |
| 14:13.12 | siductionsded | Okay, thanks! |
| 14:13.17 | brokencycle | tds: Thank you! |
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| 14:34.35 | otyugh | hey. Does someone here use the package "dino-im" ? I try to connect to my jabber account and only get timeout errors |
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| 14:35.00 | otyugh | I tried to register to several jabber provider with the same issue |
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| 14:35.22 | otyugh | (jabber accounts I can logg no problem from bitlbee/hexchat btw) |
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| 14:48.17 | format_c | On my Netbook, when I install something using aptitude, the step "Trigger for man-db" takes about 10 minutes, CPU is between 50% and 80% but the CPU utilization of each single process is not > 10%. Does anybody experience similar behaviour? |
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| 14:57.18 | tinga | What is the recommended way to do union style mounts today (have a read-write filesystem over laid onto a read-only one)? |
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| 15:10.38 | Johann | tinga: overlayfs probably |
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| 15:14.33 | tinga | Johann, yes, I've checked "man mount" in the mean time and that appears to be the only option. |
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| 15:49.53 | McFloss | Hi, I want to create a buster repository in a jessie system. |
| 15:50.02 | McFloss | I used the following command: debmirror /srv/mirror/buster --nosource --host=ftp.uk.debian.org --root=/buster --dist=buster --section=main,contrib,non-free,main/debian-installer --i18n --arch=amd64 |
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| 15:50.37 | McFloss | but I received keyring errors |
| 15:51.12 | McFloss | I try to install manually the buster keys but it doesn't solve the problem |
| 15:51.31 | McFloss | how can I do it? any ideas? |
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| 16:03.52 | McFloss | ok, solved. Thanks |
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| 16:04.59 | CoT2PorC | Hi! |
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| 16:05.30 | annadane | McFloss, what'd you do to fix it? |
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| 16:12.46 | McFloss | annadane: I created a trustedkeys.gpg and import the buster keys "gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring trustedkeys.gpg --import debian-archive-buster-stable.gpg " |
| 16:12.49 | CoT2PorC | Hi! |
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| 16:13.24 | annadane | CoT2PorC, hi. if you have a question, just ask |
| 16:13.24 | CoT2PorC | Hi! |
| 16:13.41 | annadane | "hi" isn't a question, we can't know if you want to ask something or are just being friendly |
| 16:13.41 | CoT2PorC | Hi! |
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| 16:14.57 | CoT2PorC | Hi! |
| 16:15.07 | annadane | never frickin' mind. |
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| 16:16.17 | ratrace | annadane: You care too much :) |
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| 16:18.44 | wild_buffalo | Hello, I'm on Debian Stable, and I'm trying to correctly configure my Apple Magic Keyboard |
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| 16:19.07 | wild_buffalo | Some keys seem to be swapped positions---for example, the fn key decreases the brightness |
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| 16:19.22 | Johann | tinga: there are other options, but overlayfs is probably your best bet |
| 16:19.25 | wild_buffalo | How can I fix this? |
| 16:19.49 | wild_buffalo | Are there drivers I need to install? |
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| 16:23.09 | n_1-c_k | wild_buffalo, try the advice in /usr/share/doc/keyboard-configuration/README.Debian, if it doesn't help I give up :) |
| 16:23.34 | wild_buffalo | n_1-c_k: Sounds good, I'll take a look. Cheers |
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| 16:24.52 | wild_buffalo | n_1-c_k: OK looks reasonable, but it raises a new question: |
| 16:25.09 | wild_buffalo | My computer is a thinkpad and has it's internal keyboard and my external keyboard |
| 16:25.28 | f-a | I am trying to run qemu with --enable-kvm. Before doing that, I inkoved `sudo modprobe kvm-intel` and got a `modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'kvm_intel': Operation not supported`. What do I have to install? |
| 16:25.45 | wild_buffalo | If I reconfigure the keyboard, will it affect both keyboards, or only my external keyboard? Because the laptop's keyboard is working just fine |
| 16:25.59 | wild_buffalo | It's just not the keyboard I use most of the time since I dock it |
| 16:27.04 | InvisibleRasta | guys i am getting some errors updating http://dpaste.com/3X45SDG |
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| 16:28.07 | InvisibleRasta | is my sorces files broken? |
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| 16:29.39 | budlight | are you running stable |
| 16:30.13 | InvisibleRasta | i am on stretch |
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| 16:30.18 | InvisibleRasta | ill update to stable tho |
| 16:30.37 | joepublic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:33.49 | annadane | using deb.debian.org for the security repo looks strange |
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| 16:33.57 | annadane | can you put your sources.list on paste.debian.net? |
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| 16:34.20 | annadane | i'm not sure whether it works or not really, i'm just guessing it's wrong |
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| 16:37.02 | annadane | which i can test myself, i don't know why i'm grasping at straws |
| 16:38.52 | annadane | when i use deb.debian.org for buster/updates (though stretch may be different) i just get a 404 |
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| 16:39.10 | annadane | so it's not the same message, though i'm not sure one should be using deb.debian.org at all for the security repo; i think it's wrong |
| 16:39.30 | annadane | !stretch sources.list |
| 16:39.30 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 16:39.42 | annadane | maybe try changing it to that and see if there's still problems |
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| 16:40.41 | annadane | InvisibleRasta, ^ |
| 16:40.52 | jelly | annadane, it ought to work but you do need the path bit of /debian-security |
| 16:41.05 | annadane | yeah, that makes more sense |
| 16:41.57 | jelly | that dbus error looks familiar tho |
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| 16:42.31 | jelly | it's not a repo issue, it's "apt can't call gpg correctly" |
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| 16:43.40 | jelly | InvisibleRasta, do you have /usr/sbin in root's PATH? echo $PATH |
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| 16:47.30 | CoT2PorC | Hi |
| 16:47.48 | annadane | no |
| 16:48.20 | CoT2PorC | how is it going ? |
| 16:48.35 | annadane | it's going fine, thanks |
| 16:48.46 | CoT2PorC | cool |
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| 16:49.29 | CoT2PorC | Has the virus changed your daily routine ? |
| 16:49.33 | annadane | !chat |
| 16:49.33 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows on irc.oftc.net, ##chat on irc.freenode.net, or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/ |
| 16:50.05 | annadane | don't PM me, either |
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| 16:50.21 | CoT2PorC | ok |
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| 16:51.15 | f-a | I have mistakenly installed debian i386, but now doing a lscpu I notice `Architecture: i686` |
| 16:51.37 | f-a | is there a way I can move to i386 without reinstalling from cd? |
| 16:52.15 | trek00 | f-a: probably i686 is the most optimized 32-bit version for your system |
| 16:52.37 | dob1 | f-a, I don't think so |
| 16:52.40 | f-a | ouch |
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| 16:53.05 | McFloss | f-a: i686 is a 32 bit system, any specific reason you want i386? |
| 16:53.12 | trek00 | f-a: if you have a 32 bit system it should be ok |
| 16:53.14 | f-a | sorry I mispasted |
| 16:53.15 | f-a | CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit |
| 16:53.27 | f-a | forget what I have said |
| 16:53.28 | dob1 | he wans 64bit, isn't it? |
| 16:53.34 | dob1 | *wants |
| 16:53.38 | f-a | I know nothing |
| 16:53.43 | f-a | I just have a 32bit pc before |
| 16:53.53 | CoT2PorC | I found a way to script a tiny IRC client through Python but I've not implemented text so far |
| 16:54.09 | CoT2PorC | So it is basically stuck into honeypot |
| 16:55.13 | sponix | f-a: if you have amd64 and want that install. You just need to backup anything important and do a fresh install |
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| 16:55.19 | CoT2PorC | It was worst connecting through ESP8266, I was banned but it didn't come with offensive purpose. Apparently, it was detected as a bouncer |
| 16:55.36 | trek00 | f-a: it is possibile to migrate from 32 to 64 bits, but it is far simpler to reinstall |
| 16:55.43 | CoT2PorC | Anyway... |
| 16:55.57 | f-a | well, I see, I will reinstall then |
| 16:56.01 | sponix | trek00: you give the user way too many options :) |
| 16:56.14 | sponix | f-a: see you on the other side ! |
| 16:56.32 | annadane | reinstalls are addictive |
| 16:56.37 | f-a | don't tell me |
| 16:56.44 | CoT2PorC | Why the text is displayed twice within Kiwiirc online ? |
| 16:56.46 | f-a | my last pc was killed by a glass of milk |
| 16:57.01 | annadane | no idea, not familiar with kiwiirc |
| 16:57.08 | f-a | adieu, cruel 32bit world |
| 16:57.08 | wild_buffalo | well, I went down the rabbit whole and found out what's the fix for my keyboard woes: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99881#c66 |
| 16:57.23 | annadane | you ate a whole rabbit? |
| 16:57.24 | CoT2PorC | Ok, I should survive well with that. |
| 16:57.24 | wild_buffalo | I have to upgrade to a more recent Kernel as someone patched it |
| 16:57.36 | wild_buffalo | annadane: hole* |
| 16:57.40 | sponix | annadane: I keep a applist.txt file with notes of what little I have to do after a clean install to get my rig back where it was. Normally takes me about 4-6 hours. Most of that time being rutorrent madness |
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| 16:58.04 | annadane | i sort of remember stuff in my head |
| 16:58.19 | wild_buffalo | annadane: that's a better interpretation than going down a rabbit, whole |
| 16:58.23 | sponix | annadane: and I keep all important data in my split off /home and other outside drives. Not touched by a clean os install |
| 16:58.42 | wild_buffalo | anyway, I'm on Debian Stable, what do I do about the kernel upgrade? |
| 16:58.45 | countdr | sponix: My / is read only |
| 16:59.01 | sponix | countdr: good idea |
| 16:59.04 | annadane | i've never bothered with separate /home |
| 16:59.15 | annadane | wild_buffalo, apt dist-upgrade |
| 16:59.17 | sponix | wild_buffalo: you can snag the 5.4.19 from Debian 10 backports |
| 16:59.29 | annadane | or that, if you want a newer kernel |
| 16:59.45 | wild_buffalo | sponix: sweet, backports it is |
| 16:59.48 | sponix | annadane: I forgot that he might just want the latest 4.19 :) |
| 17:00.00 | wild_buffalo | Anarchic: on stable max is 4.19 |
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| 17:00.23 | wild_buffalo | whoops, annadane*. The patch was merged into like 5.2 something |
| 17:00.27 | annadane | yeh've done it. yeh've gone and pinged the wrong dern person |
| 17:00.31 | sponix | wild_buffalo: think it is apt-get -t buster-backports install linux-headers-amd64 linux-image-amd64 |
| 17:00.55 | wild_buffalo | yeah, I was just hoping I wouldn't have to install backports |
| 17:01.01 | sponix | wild_buffalo: but Debian is something I'm still learning, so might want someone to check that :) |
| 17:01.10 | annadane | headers aren't always necessary |
| 17:01.19 | annadane | but i didn't read the scrollback for what wild_buffalo is trying to do |
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| 17:01.33 | sponix | annadane: they are in my world :) |
| 17:01.40 | annadane | if you have out-of-tree modules like nvidia then yes you need them |
| 17:01.42 | wild_buffalo | annadane: trying to make my Apple keyboard work on Debian |
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| 17:01.51 | annadane | probably not then |
| 17:02.09 | annadane | not necessary, that is, but hey, disk space is plentiful, you can always install the headers too |
| 17:02.23 | countdr | wild_buffalo: I use Apple keyboard on Linux Mint. |
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| 17:02.56 | sponix | annadane: Yeah, I have been running a Nvidia GTX 960 4GB Card since like 2016 or so. I am so use to the Nvidia binary headache I always plan for it |
| 17:03.05 | wild_buffalo | countdr: it works fine, it's just there's a bug because the firmware on the keyboard was updated and now the fn key decreases brightness |
| 17:03.17 | wild_buffalo | but the fix for that is in a recent version of the kernel |
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| 17:03.32 | wild_buffalo | anyway thanks for the help backports it is |
| 17:03.33 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 17:03.34 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.5.0-rc5-686 (5.5~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.4.0-4-686-pae (5.4.19-1); bullseye: 5.4.0-4-686-pae (5.4.19-1); buster-backports: 5.4.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (5.4.19-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-8-686 (4.19.98-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.8-686 (4.19.98-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-12-686-pae (4.9.210-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae |
| 17:03.35 | judd | (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1~deb8u1) |
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| 17:04.12 | wild_buffalo | I guess I would have to install backports eventually anyway |
| 17:04.14 | sponix | wild_buffalo: by default, it will only do the things from the backports branch you specify. So if the kernel is all you need, it isn't going to push all the other available backports on you |
| 17:04.46 | sponix | https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 17:04.52 | wild_buffalo | sponix: yup, I'm aware. Thanks for the tip! |
| 17:05.07 | sponix | wild_buffalo: I'm still learning "Debian" |
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| 17:10.27 | CoT2PorC | Hello there |
| 17:10.35 | annadane | yes hi you were here before |
| 17:10.55 | CoT2PorC | Yes, connecting from Irssi through other device |
| 17:11.09 | CoT2PorC | Rpi |
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| 17:15.02 | CoT2PorC | exit |
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| 17:17.23 | wild_buffalo | ah shoot I forgot there's VMWare installed on this machine |
| 17:17.35 | wild_buffalo | now I have to do that whole recompile business |
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| 17:19.23 | annadane | taking bets on how long it is until he comes back |
| 17:19.35 | annadane | "hi" |
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| 17:35.49 | wild_buffalo | -t buster-backports |
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| 18:12.29 | acidtripper | someone there using TLP for batteries? |
| 18:12.43 | acidtripper | or with some knowledge on laptop batteries? |
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| 18:14.17 | isnice | acidtripper: whats your question? |
| 18:14.40 | acidtripper | i have a thinkpad which says: 85% battery life on both batteries |
| 18:15.02 | acidtripper | want a way to reset this information, also to charge in a better way |
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| 18:15.52 | oerheks | there is no reset option, you are facing battery life deteriorating. |
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| 18:16.25 | acidtripper | some people say it's a better to charge batteries till 60%, others that's better to discharge it to 0%. |
| 18:18.12 | acidtripper | also know that most batteries has a chip counting cicles |
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| 18:18.27 | acidtripper | then you disamble battery and found that cells has good voltage |
| 18:18.53 | isnice | I've always been advised to discharge to 0% every so often, but more importantly to make sure the battery gets used and not leave it plugged in all the time |
| 18:19.33 | isnice | but as oerheks said, you are noticing the battery deteriorating. it happens with LiOn batteries |
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| 18:20.00 | isnice | some faster than others. My not even 1 year old dell battery has already deteriorated about 25% from max capacity |
| 18:20.15 | oerheks | discharge maybe does something good. the rest is just assumptions. |
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| 18:20.32 | oerheks | replacements are not that expensive anymore |
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| 18:21.02 | acidtripper | isnice, yes... there isn't a common voice about it. somes say, better using pc without battery (isn't possible on thinkpad's cause has 2 batts) |
| 18:21.19 | acidtripper | others say it's better to don't go trough charging cylces |
| 18:21.52 | acidtripper | so tlp, shouldn't do much more than kde power management |
| 18:22.01 | acidtripper | or should it? |
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| 18:22.32 | oerheks | first the hear-say statements, then finally the question |
| 18:22.41 | acidtripper | about replacements oerheks: somebody used that 6cells chinese bats? im concerned about explosions hehe |
| 18:22.46 | oerheks | yes, TLP is great for reducing poweruse. |
| 18:23.42 | acidtripper | hum. |
| 18:24.49 | Gerowen | Question. My system drive is an LVM encrypted volume, so I get the prompt to enter my password on bootup. If I press insert it switches from the verbose boot output to a solid color background with just the password prompt. Is there a way to make it default to this so I don't see the verbose output unless I press Insert? |
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| 18:32.20 | ratrace | Gerowen: add "quiet" to the kernel command line, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub ; and I don't know if it's the ins key, afaik it's ESC |
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| 18:34.01 | Gerowen | ratrace: Insert worked for me to toggle back and forth, I just figure if I'm not having issues where I need it, it looks nicer to have the solid color and just the password prompt. |
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| 18:36.13 | ratrace | Gerowen: maybe it's just anykey :) |
| 18:36.27 | wild_buffalo | Alright, so I've pinpointed my problem even closer, so here's a new issue: |
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| 18:36.47 | wild_buffalo | When I plug in my Apple Magic Keyboard with a cable, it works perfectly fine |
| 18:36.59 | wild_buffalo | all the keys are correctly mapped |
| 18:37.12 | wild_buffalo | However when connected via bluetooth, that's when the issues happened |
| 18:37.33 | quantum | res="${res//$'\n'/ }" -- Converting from Bash, string replacement is undefined in sh. |
| 18:37.36 | wild_buffalo | now supposedly this should be fixed with a newer kernel, but no dice |
| 18:37.55 | quantum | How do I fix this for sh? |
| 18:37.59 | wild_buffalo | Any ideas on making it use hid_apple when connected via bluetooth? |
| 18:38.31 | wild_buffalo | quantum: what are you trying to do, convert a bash script to sh? |
| 18:38.48 | quantum | wild_buffalo: Yes |
| 18:39.10 | wild_buffalo | well if it's a bashism that's not available in sh, you're outta luck for using pure sh |
| 18:39.47 | wild_buffalo | quantum: maybe use a short awk command, in that case? Awk is supposed to be available if you're aiming to use a compatible posix environment |
| 18:39.55 | quantum | There are ways to convert and I've fixed most, but am getting a $'..." is undefined. |
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| 18:40.28 | quantum | "string replacement is undefined. |
| 18:40.35 | Trel | When doing an apt autoremove with a bunch of old kernel versions, does it HAVE to rebuild the grub menu after EACH kernel is removed? Couldn't it do that once at the end? |
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| 18:41.02 | quantum | I don't understand this assignment though so can't convert. |
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| 18:42.57 | wild_buffalo | quantum: afaik that's a bashism, because it does a string replacement |
| 18:43.10 | wild_buffalo | quantum: if you're writing pure sh, that's a feature it doesn't have |
| 18:43.25 | quantum | True, but surely there's a way. |
| 18:43.41 | quantum | If I understood it I could convert. |
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| 18:44.21 | quantum | Can you explain it in bash? |
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| 18:44.35 | wild_buffalo | quantum: well yes |
| 18:44.38 | wild_buffalo | I can do you one better: |
| 18:44.46 | wild_buffalo | quantum: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/Parameters |
| 18:45.16 | wild_buffalo | what it does is take res, and add a newline at the end |
| 18:45.51 | wild_buffalo | whoops sorry |
| 18:46.00 | wild_buffalo | it replaces the newline at the end for a space |
| 18:46.04 | quantum | res="$res\n" |
| 18:46.32 | wild_buffalo | ${parameter//pat/string} As above, but every match of 'pat' is replaced. |
| 18:46.37 | quantum | res="$res " |
| 18:46.57 | wild_buffalo | well no |
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| 18:47.05 | wild_buffalo | say you have a res like this: |
| 18:47.16 | wild_buffalo | "a\nb\nc\n" |
| 18:47.29 | wild_buffalo | the bash command above would result in this: |
| 18:47.41 | wild_buffalo | "a b c " |
| 18:47.49 | quantum | Not a |
| 18:47.50 | quantum | b |
| 18:47.51 | quantum | c? |
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| 18:48.07 | wild_buffalo | no it takes the newlines and swaps them for a blank space |
| 18:48.43 | quantum | That's what we want because before res was what I said. |
| 18:49.52 | wild_buffalo | quantum: Not sure what you mean |
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| 18:50.24 | quantum | Before the bash assignment, a b c would each have a newline. |
| 18:50.38 | quantum | Idea is to replace this with a space somehow. |
| 18:50.43 | wild_buffalo | yes |
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| 19:07.07 | fonky | hey all |
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| 19:33.03 | boolove | I shift+delete(ed) some important folder, Can I recover it ? |
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| 19:33.49 | lestac | hello! :) |
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| 19:37.35 | lwp | boolove, maybe... you should shutdown that machine, read about extundelete. |
| 19:38.13 | boolove | lwp I found this https://debian.pkgs.org/10/debian-main-amd64/testdisk_7.0-3+b4_amd64.deb.html |
| 19:38.22 | NetTerminalGene | i download from git, compiled and make install a software. if i repeat the process to update the software, would it overwrite and software work again? |
| 19:38.22 | boolove | extundelete is a tool? |
| 19:38.54 | sney | NetTerminalGene: usually. though fyi third party software is not supported here |
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| 19:40.08 | sponix | boolove: you recover it from your backups. ya know, where you have a 2nd copy of everything important. Or that 3rd copy that is remote from you :) |
| 19:40.17 | NetTerminalGene | sney, you couldn't help yourself to say that, didn't you |
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| 19:40.45 | boolove | sponix thank you |
| 19:41.02 | sney | NetTerminalGene: I answered your question and gave you some info so you don't have unrealistic expectations from #debian. sorry if that bothered you. |
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| 19:42.18 | sponix | NetTerminalGene: entertain me, I missed where you specifically said what software you are working with |
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| 19:43.33 | lwp | boolove, testdisk is also good, but downloading onto the disk with the lost files is NOT a good idea. get a live system on USB |
| 19:44.41 | boolove | lwp I appreciate your help, thank you I will get live system |
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| 20:00.18 | boolove | hi I forgot how to create a bootable usb from debian iso |
| 20:00.50 | sney | the debian iso is already a bootable usb image, so you just write it directly to the usb drive |
| 20:01.18 | sney | in linux you can use cp or dd etc. in windows https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ |
| 20:01.44 | boolove | sney thank you |
| 20:02.07 | sney | np |
| 20:02.10 | boolove | so cp debian sdb something like that? |
| 20:03.04 | sney | yeah basically. https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch04s03.en.html |
| 20:03.33 | boolove | that helps thanks again |
| 20:03.41 | sney | np |
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| 20:09.47 | quantum | Anyone know what the heck is going on here? res="${res//$'\n'/$'\r\n'}" |
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| 20:10.19 | quantum | Looks like replacing \n with \r\n |
| 20:10.52 | quantum | As I'm converting to sh I need to use tr to do this instead. |
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| 20:50.15 | ayekat | quantum: I think you've already repeatedly been pointed to http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Bashism#Parameter_Expansions in other irc channels |
| 20:50.45 | ayekat | (and yes, it replaces \n by \r\n in bash) |
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| 20:52.17 | quantum | ayekat: Yes but this is far more complex than that. |
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| 20:52.42 | quantum | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.09 | quantum | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:54.20 | quantum | The intolerance and insults of earnestly make me want to quit this voluntary project. |
| 20:54.27 | uniqdom | Hello, when I start a set of containers executing "docker-compose up -d" I lose my Internet connection. I see that the containers are creating a set of route rules, and I think that one of them may be messing with my default route. As soon as I exec "docker-compose down" the Internet connectivity is back. Route rules before and after, and docker-compose file here: http://paste.debian.net/1138615/ |
| 20:54.35 | uniqdom | What could be the problem? |
| 20:54.50 | quantum | # res=$(grep -o '" .*")' /var/lunars/scripts/everyBoot/listen-for-code.sh | tr -d '*) ') |
| 20:55.02 | quantum | "resetpw" "egg2" "egg1" "egg0" "ss" "wipeupdate" "vlow" "test" "wifi" "tkn1" "tkn2" "tkns" "vitals" "devm" "rebparrot" "rebmodem" "rebic" "rebcid" "rebgw" "factory" "unfactory" "ip" "help" |
| 20:55.02 | quantum | "."'"$mainPath"/everyBoot/listen-for-code.sh|tr-d'" |
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| 20:55.35 | quantum | It's that last part that's wrong. I have trouble seeing so it makes it all the more difficult. |
| 20:56.34 | quantum | I can't see it but it seems to be .* that's triggering it. |
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| 20:57.36 | quantum | Mean people SUCK. |
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| 21:02.48 | quantum | The old fukker told me I was wrong when I was finally right. |
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| 21:14.53 | quantum | I don't see how any of those Parameter Expansions applies to my case. |
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| 21:16.40 | user122344 | does anyone know where the debian wsl files are stored on c:? |
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| 21:17.58 | teclo- | c: ? huh ? |
| 21:18.12 | user122344 | yeah c: the hard drive |
| 21:18.15 | user122344 | lol |
| 21:18.32 | teclo- | user122344: there's no c: in Debian GNU/Linux |
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| 21:18.50 | user122344 | ok you obviously don't know what wsl is |
| 21:19.03 | user122344 | anyone here familar with it? |
| 21:19.14 | teclo- | c: is for DOS, or well, actually QDOS, or well, CP/M |
| 21:19.40 | user122344 | wsl is windows subsystem for linux this is debian running under windows |
| 21:19.53 | nulladdr | teclo-: He installed the Debian WSL layer from the windows store. WSL = Windows Subsystem for Linux |
| 21:19.55 | teclo- | user122344: ah, indeed... |
| 21:20.14 | nulladdr | and I have no idea where WSL stores stuff locally. |
| 21:20.28 | user122344 | ubuntu has theirs documented but not debian |
| 21:20.30 | teclo- | well I wouldn't do that... install Debian GNU/Linux into W*ndows |
| 21:20.41 | user122344 | it seems ubuntu is the only one ive been able to find |
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| 21:21.18 | user122344 | it works quite well |
| 21:21.40 | dondelelcaro | user122344: could potentially be anywhere, but presumably it'll be somewhere under %LOCALAPPDATA% |
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| 21:21.51 | user122344 | ive looked |
| 21:21.58 | uniqdom | user122344: I haven't used WSL, but maybe you can try to do a file search |
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| 21:23.32 | user122344 | not sure what to search for ] |
| 21:24.10 | uniqdom | if it is one file, like in virtualmachines, then it will be a big file, if it is the file system maybe you can search for a know file, like the file /etc/debian_version |
| 21:24.40 | uniqdom | Is just a guess... haven't used it. |
| 21:24.52 | user122344 | yeah |
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| 21:27.13 | user122344 | well this is intuitive |
| 21:28.04 | user122344 | appdata/local/packages then you scroll all the way down and theres a folder with a bunch of gibberish but in between the gibberish it says debian |
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| 21:28.38 | user122344 | and the drive is in a folder called localstate |
| 21:28.43 | user122344 | that makes a lot of sense |
| 21:28.56 | annadane | glad you figured it out; in future, may want to ask the wsl people |
| 21:28.57 | annadane | !wsl |
| 21:28.57 | dpkg | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Microsoft/Windows/SubsystemForLinux, or irc channel #debian-wsl on <OFTC> |
| 21:29.16 | user122344 | oh |
| 21:29.24 | user122344 | i didn't know there was a dedicated channel |
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| 21:29.59 | annadane | there generally is. we can only really know about debian itself, and not derivatives like ubuntu, mint, wsl and so on |
| 21:30.07 | annadane | (we don't run that channel) |
| 21:30.12 | user122344 | yeah |
| 21:30.16 | user122344 | thanks a lot |
| 21:30.20 | user122344 | :) |
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| 21:32.00 | lwp | #debian-wsl on OFTC even has 6 users in it right now |
| 21:34.01 | annadane | welp |
| 21:34.20 | annadane | all the more incentive to use debian and abandon windows forever |
| 21:36.02 | lwp | or at the most, dual-boot windows and real installations of your linuxes of choice |
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| 21:37.15 | uniqdom | when I start a set of containers executing "docker-compose up -d" I lose my Internet connection. I see that the containers are creating a set of route rules, and I think that one of them may be messing with my default route. As soon as I exec "docker-compose down" the Internet connectivity is back. Route rules before and after, and docker-compose file here: http://paste.debian.net/1138615/ |
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| 21:37.46 | uniqdom | what could be the problem? |
| 21:41.42 | uniqdom | I have set docker0 interface as unmanaged in NetworkManager but the problem persist. |
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| 21:46.33 | trek00 | uniqdom: i think the problem is the first default route added: default dev veth2f207e1 scope link |
| 21:47.03 | trek00 | uniqdom: but i don't know why it was added |
| 21:47.39 | uniqdom | trek00: Do you know how can I remove that? |
| 21:47.52 | uniqdom | "ip route del default dev veth2f207e1 scope link" ? |
| 21:48.11 | trek00 | uniqdom: it should be |
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| 21:49.27 | uniqdom | Then I will try. I will be back. |
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| 21:51.00 | Hatter__ | I am updating a jessie box, what should the entry look like in sources.list for the security section ? |
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| 21:53.23 | uniqdom | trek00: Command is executed without error (no stdout or stderr message), but the route is still there, so it isn't deleted |
| 21:53.54 | trek00 | Hatter__: you should upgrade to stretch at first, then to buster |
| 21:54.29 | trek00 | Hatter__: if you want to upgrade to a new version, if you only want to update packages of the same version you don't need to modify sources.list |
| 21:56.19 | trek00 | uniqdom: sorry i don't know, the command is right if it doesn't print messages, but may be it can't be removed, i don't know docker |
| 21:56.43 | Hatter__ | trek00, it is currently debian 8.0, upgrading to debian 9.0 |
| 21:57.41 | Hatter__ | just not sure what the security section in apt should look like, I thought it was this : deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 21:58.30 | trek00 | !jessie->stretch |
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| 22:00.37 | trek00 | Hatter__: it should be something like: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main |
| 22:00.53 | pagetelegram | Evening here: I started a debian server for communications for and around support of a homeless project in my town; I setup a jitsu server recently for meetings; now I need a referral for a low overhead community driven information system were folks can report on meetings and happenings across all the encampments. Any suggested ideas for such a server program? I shy away from any database stuff though. So something |
| 22:00.53 | pagetelegram | that stores info as text then php-lates into html upon access would be preferred. Thanks |
| 22:01.00 | Hatter__ | I think jessie is in archvie now |
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| 22:01.22 | trek00 | Hatter__: and deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main |
| 22:01.33 | ritalinona | I could be doing this wrong but I tried to verify "debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso" with both SHA512SUMS.sign and SHA256SUMS.sign and while it returned - good signature - when verifying the .sign and the related file, it returned bad signature for the iso |
| 22:01.53 | trek00 | Hatter__: sorry probably i don't understand, you want to update jessie packages or to upgrade from jessie to stretch? |
| 22:02.09 | Hatter__ | just not sure what the security section in apt should look like, I thought it was this : deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 22:02.35 | Hatter__ | trek00, getting jessie up to date before upgrading to stretch |
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| 22:03.49 | trek00 | Hatter__: for jessie deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/ jessie/updates |
| 22:04.26 | trek00 | Hatter__: archive is for releases older than jessie |
| 22:04.26 | Hatter__ | trek00, ok thx, sorry I wasn't clear |
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| 22:05.56 | trek00 | ritalinona: may be you don't have the keyrings that signed the iso? |
| 22:07.52 | ritalinona | when I went to get the key given from verifying sha512sums.sign and sha512sums, I did: gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv [key given from mention step] |
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| 22:14.02 | trek00 | ritalinona: the key should be F41D30342F3546695F65C66942468F4009EA8AC3 |
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| 22:15.59 | ritalinona | yes I get that when I do: gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign SHA256SUMS |
| 22:17.17 | trek00 | ritalinona: verification is failed because unknown key or bad signature? |
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| 22:20.51 | ritalinona | no I dont get that any more because I imported the signature used in SHA512SUMS.sign: gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv F41D30342F3546695F65C66942468F4009EA8AC3 |
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| 22:23.30 | trek00 | ritalinona: well it should print Good signature from "Debian Testing CDs Automatic Signing Key <debian-cd@lists.debian.org>" |
| 22:24.44 | ritalinona | when I verify after import I get: Good signature from "Debian Testing CDs Automatic Signing Key <debian-cd@lists.debian.org>" [unknown] |
| 22:25.03 | nowifi | Hello! It seems, as netinstaller warned me, i am missing my wifi cards drivers- can somebody help me install them or guide me to a fix? |
| 22:25.16 | ritalinona | When I do: gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso I get: gpg: BAD signature from "Debian Testing CDs Automatic Signing Key <debian-cd@lists.debian.org>" [unknown] |
| 22:25.40 | dvs | !tell nowifi to firmware iso |
| 22:26.00 | dvs | !tell nowifi about firmware iso |
| 22:26.17 | trek00 | ritalinona: you need to do: gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS |
| 22:26.44 | ritalinona | yes that what I did before verifying debian |
| 22:26.49 | trek00 | ritalinona: it's ok |
| 22:27.01 | trek00 | ritalinona: you check the signature for the SHA512SUM file |
| 22:27.17 | nowifi | do i need to reinstall for it to work?! |
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| 22:27.57 | trek00 | ritalinona: if this file is ok, then you can sha512sum -c SHA512SUM |
| 22:28.29 | dvs | nowifi, it it's already installed then you just need to add the non-free repo |
| 22:29.12 | nowifi | into apt update && upgrade? |
| 22:29.19 | dvs | oh I guess you'd have to install the packages manually if you can't connect to the Internet |
| 22:29.35 | nowifi | No, Lan seems to be working for some reason |
| 22:29.39 | nowifi | Just wifi wont |
| 22:29.45 | dvs | !non-free |
| 22:29.45 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. |
| 22:29.57 | dvs | non-free list |
| 22:30.03 | dvs | !non-free list |
| 22:30.03 | dpkg | To see a list of <non-free> and <contrib> packages installed on your system, run «aptitude search '~i?or(~scontrib,~snon-free)'». See also <aptitude search>. |
| 22:30.43 | dvs | bah! Just all "contrib non-free" to the end of the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:31.06 | nowifi | K, thx |
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| 22:32.19 | trek00 | nowifi: once you added contrib non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list you need to apt update and then find your firmware |
| 22:33.00 | nowifi | Ye, figured that much, it sure wont autodetect that ill need it |
| 22:33.19 | trek00 | nowifi: with lspci you should be able to find the exact model of your wifi adapter, tell us the name and we can find the right firmware package |
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| 22:34.14 | trek00 | ritalinona: ask if something is unclear |
| 22:34.24 | Hatter__ | trek00, thx (wasn't sure if i thanked you before!) |
| 22:34.48 | trek00 | Hatter__: good :) |
| 22:34.54 | nowifi | Fuck, i need to add myself later to sudo |
| 22:35.09 | nowifi | su is just entering su mode right |
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| 22:35.31 | nowifi | stupid question when i can just test it in terminal haha |
| 22:35.32 | nowifi | sry |
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| 22:37.42 | nowifi | 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 (rev 3e)is this what im looking for? |
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| 22:38.28 | nowifi | Or communication controller |
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| 22:39.41 | trek00 | nowifi: there is no wireless card shown? |
| 22:40.14 | trek00 | nowifi: well it's ok |
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| 22:40.41 | trek00 | nowifi: you should apt install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 22:41.01 | nowifi | https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi do i need this one |
| 22:41.04 | nowifi | Oh lmao |
| 22:41.07 | nowifi | Yep, thx |
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| 22:41.56 | nowifi | Ive distrohopped some across deb derviatives and manjaro and know some of the works |
| 22:41.57 | trek00 | nowifi: yes this is the right guide |
| 22:42.00 | nowifi | Thx |
| 22:42.07 | trek00 | :) |
| 22:42.25 | nowifi | Just want to get to sid asap haha |
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| 22:43.10 | nowifi | So changing the source soon enough again |
| 22:43.20 | trek00 | nowifi: debian works better with stable release, testing may break sometimes, sid is hard to get working fine |
| 22:43.22 | nowifi | Maybe will have questions to the best practices advised |
| 22:43.39 | timothywcrane | Deb10 with KDE + added & GDM configured. Would love to have my KDE background be an exact match of Gnome GDM login theme. Looking around //usr/share/gdm for base materials... none found. Where might these be avail? |
| 22:43.59 | nowifi | Ye, i read that testing might also be broken for months and doesnt get the same speed of security updates as stable or sid? |
| 22:44.33 | trek00 | nowifi: sid is really bad for normal usage, any package is allowed to be in a broken state |
| 22:44.34 | nowifi | Whats the best compromise between stability and not-dinosaur-packageversions for a semi-noob like me? |
| 22:44.50 | trek00 | nowifi: stable release with backports |
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| 22:45.26 | nowifi | Ye, but kde will never get backported and i kinda want shiny |
| 22:46.28 | nowifi | Is the security risk of testing as high as its written about? |
| 22:46.45 | trek00 | timothywcrane: may be one of those files? /usr/share/pixmaps/gdm* |
| 22:46.47 | nowifi | Cause apart from that it kinda sounds like a good solution for me |
| 22:47.15 | trek00 | nowifi: i don't know |
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| 22:48.01 | nowifi | I think ill go with testing, sid might be too much to chew off for me |
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| 22:48.13 | trek00 | nowifi: debian systems are made to have better stability, so your apps will not break at each update |
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| 22:49.01 | trek00 | nowifi: this is the opposite of the rolling distro like arch, which instead is made to have always the most recent version of the apps |
| 22:49.07 | nowifi | Ye, i know, even sid will lag majorly behind such arch |
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| 22:49.14 | nowifi | *such as |
| 22:49.20 | nowifi | Yeye, thx :) |
| 22:49.49 | trek00 | :) |
| 22:49.54 | __0x0000ff | Hello there. I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I've been trying to compile and install the latest kernel relaese. |
| 22:49.59 | nowifi | I can relog for the drivers to start working, right? |
| 22:50.01 | __0x0000ff | The modules aren't showing up |
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| 22:50.19 | trek00 | __0x0000ff: how you installed it? |
| 22:50.49 | trek00 | nowifi: yes, if not try to reboot |
| 22:51.02 | nowifi | Kk, brb |
| 22:52.57 | trek00 | __0x0000ff: if you created a debian package of your kernel with make deb-pkg, then your modules should be in the right place |
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| 22:53.02 | yeswifi | It worked ^^ |
| 22:53.07 | trek00 | good :) |
| 22:53.12 | yeswifi | (after reboot, unfortunately= |
| 22:53.14 | __0x0000ff | <trek00> wait one moment. I might be on to something... |
| 22:53.14 | yeswifi | ) |
| 22:53.18 | timothywcrane | Found the KDE defaults in /usr/share/images/desktop-base... and /usr/share/plymouth... moving on |
| 22:53.21 | __0x0000ff | Thanks |
| 22:53.43 | yeswifi | Here i go changing the sources again, thanks for the boost and advice :) |
| 22:54.30 | trek00 | :) |
| 22:54.44 | __0x0000ff | Ok I've typed in 'make modules_install'. That seems to be doing the trick. |
| 22:55.11 | __0x0000ff | I'm testing this out cause I want to make another kernel for my tablet to boot off of. |
| 22:55.20 | trek00 | __0x0000ff: this is not the correct "debian" way, because the package manager does not know anything about your new kernel |
| 22:55.35 | trek00 | __0x0000ff: if you build your kernel with: make deb-pkg |
| 22:56.02 | trek00 | __0x0000ff: then it will create .deb package for you that you can install with dpkg -i (and uninstall later when you want) |
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| 22:57.35 | __0x0000ff | <trek00> Will do, but I wanna make some kernels for my tablet's distro as well. |
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| 22:57.57 | trek00 | __0x0000ff: it's just to leave your system in a cleaner state |
| 22:58.10 | __0x0000ff | Of course. |
| 22:58.19 | __0x0000ff | Thx |
| 22:58.22 | trek00 | :) |
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| 23:00.25 | Wanker | Debian is the most based distro. |
| 23:00.28 | Wanker | Prove me wrong. |
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| 23:11.45 | Gerowen | ratrace: With regard to what I was asking about earlier, hiding the verbose boot output, I found what I needed; the "splash" kernel parameter. "quiet" was already there, but it was still staying at the all text output for the LUKS password prompt unless I pressed Esc or Ins. Adding the "splash" kernel parameter makes it, after OS selection, transition to a graphical screen with the Debian logo for the password prompt, so much nicer looking. |
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| 23:12.23 | yeswifi | Disconnected, if someone answered pls repeat |
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| 23:14.44 | annadane | hmm i don't think anyone did answer |
| 23:16.17 | dvs | answer what? |
| 23:16.40 | annadane | yeswifi's queries |
| 23:18.35 | ratrace | Gerowen: that's not what you originally asked for, but okay. |
| 23:18.55 | yeswifi | Oh well, the netinstall is fresh, might as well learn it by doing |
| 23:20.15 | yeswifi | Btw is there a reason i can nowhere find iso torrents? |
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| 23:20.46 | dvs | yeswifi, torrents are in the same place as the normail isos |
| 23:20.58 | dvs | normal |
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| 23:21.49 | yeswifi | Ye, i mean the firmware ones |
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| 23:22.25 | yeswifi | Im downloading it so i dont have the hassle of sticking to my lan cable while im installing |
| 23:22.51 | dvs | the firmware ones have them too |
| 23:23.52 | Gerowen | ratrace: Apologies then if I wasn't clear; but my goal was after OS selection to have the prettier graphical password entry box for decrypting my LUKS/LVM boot drive. |
| 23:23.59 | yeswifi | Oh, i looked in iso-hybrid forgetting about bt |
| 23:24.28 | yeswifi | But tbh compared to other linux debians downloads structure is unintuitive and ugly |
| 23:24.56 | dvs | makes sense to me |
| 23:26.00 | yeswifi | Debian is literally older than me, did they never change the site or what haha |
| 23:27.35 | timothywcrane | went through all gdm3 files of installation, still no clue. (looking for default gdm3 background location for desktop cloning) |
| 23:28.30 | timothywcrane | cloning as in copy and reuse... nothing funny implied |
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| 23:47.34 | usr01234321eq111 | hi |
| 23:47.55 | lestac | hello usr012345321eq111 ! how are u ? |
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| 23:49.09 | usr01234321eq111 | how may i could create a wifi hotspot in buster i386? |
| 23:49.39 | usr01234321eq111 | sorry 4 my bad english |
| 23:50.15 | ratrace | usr01234321eq111: with hostapd package and service. see this wiki for some hints: https://wiki.debian.org/hostap |
| 23:51.05 | usr01234321eq111 | and give power to my wifi card? |
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| 23:52.23 | InvisibleRasta | guys is this a reliable source? i want to try to install pantheon but i dont know if this is the most reliable one atm https://gandalfn.ovh/ |
| 23:54.50 | usr01234321eq111 | @InvisibleRasta 1) What version you're using actually?; 2) What do you mean by "one atm"? |
| 23:55.03 | InvisibleRasta | i am on buster usr01234321eq111 |
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| 23:55.35 | usr01234321eq111 | @InvisibleRasta Use at your risk. |
| 23:56.14 | usr01234321eq111 | Why do you even need tor here? |
| 23:56.26 | usr01234321eq111 | I don't get it. |
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| 23:58.58 | InvisibleRasta | aigh |
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| 23:59.03 | InvisibleRasta | better not take the risk |
| 23:59.40 | cybercrypto | , tor |
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