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| 00:55.06 | copynub | hey guys, can anyone help me with the correct rsync command to copy my entire local / and essentially overwrite my remote vm? (kinda like a snapshot restore type thing?) |
| 00:57.59 | hht__py | what do you want? backup your entire system? |
| 00:58.30 | copynub | yeah |
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| 01:26.04 | ryouma | something like copynub: --archive --hard-links --sparse --acls --xattrs --one-file-system |
| 01:26.16 | ryouma | and --delete --delete-excluded if youw ant that |
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| 01:58.29 | ryouma | i just ran across a proprietary language learning chat exchange thing for cell phones. is there anything for debian that would hook into such a thing, or that does anything similar? (interested in general in ja tools.) |
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| 02:23.09 | ComputerTech | what is this channel about? |
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| 02:23.25 | dvs | !debian |
| 02:23.26 | dpkg | well, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 02:24.14 | ComputerTech | hmm can this channel be used to chat and make friends? |
| 02:24.27 | dvs | nope |
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| 02:24.48 | ComputerTech | ah man |
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| 02:25.03 | dvs | !next |
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| 04:05.13 | CrazyTux | https://news.softpedia.com/news/debian-linux-was-the-most-vulnerable-operating-system-in-the-last-20-years-529387.shtml |
| 04:05.19 | CrazyTux | please comment on this.. |
| 04:05.59 | annadane | yeah, no. |
| 04:07.42 | CrazyTux | https://www.linux.com/news/debian-linux-was-the-most-vulnerable-operating-system-in-the-last-20-years/ |
| 04:08.04 | CrazyTux | I am a casual end user. I need to know more about this. |
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| 04:12.03 | themill | CrazyTux: It's junk. "I have 10 apples, you have 9 oranges, I'm better". |
| 04:12.50 | annadane | from briefly skimming the article it seems to be "many vulnerabilities reported in debian = debian is insecure" when the reality is closer to "many vulnerabilities reported = vulnerabilities fixed + transparency" |
| 04:12.56 | annadane | debian has a pretty decent reputation |
| 04:13.23 | CrazyTux | themill, what do you mean? You need to give some technical explanation about what is said in that article. You can't dismiss it a junk. |
| 04:13.41 | CrazyTux | annadane, ok |
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| 04:13.52 | CrazyTux | please elaborate on that. |
| 04:16.11 | annadane | i mean, debian is open source, it means more eyes on what can go wrong, the bug reporting process is transparent and the bug reports are open to anyone |
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| 04:17.50 | annadane | debian is *perhaps* not quite as secure as OpenBSD, but then what is |
| 04:18.13 | annadane | they're the extremists, not necessarily meant in a bad way |
| 04:18.15 | themill | CrazyTux: one is talking about an operating system, the other is talking about an operating system plus 30000 user applications. |
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| 04:19.00 | themill | Also, "casual end user" is the opposite of demanding a "technical explanation" |
| 04:19.10 | annadane | openssl had/has a difficult to maintain codebase, openbsd stripped it out and replaced it wtth libressl... they're probably the most secure of anything, but it's not like debian is particularly easy to exploit either |
| 04:19.36 | annadane | it has its reputation for a reason |
| 04:19.56 | ryouma | of the major linux distros, is debian likely the most secure? |
| 04:20.00 | epony | other than that, there is little base for comparison between the two operating systems |
| 04:20.27 | epony | apples and oranges, they are round and compute stuff sometimes |
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| 04:22.19 | ryouma | you have to choose on some basis |
| 04:22.58 | ryouma | i'm guessing those who want a community distro that is linux and is secure would put debian pretty high up there. would it be at the top pretty much? |
| 04:23.07 | ryouma | (not talking about specialized distros) |
| 04:23.48 | annadane | i think so yes |
| 04:23.50 | epony | ryouma, there are good reasons for this |
| 04:24.14 | ryouma | i think debian was first major distro to have signign |
| 04:24.20 | ryouma | not sure |
| 04:24.20 | epony | security team and vulnerability tracking |
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| 04:24.47 | epony | is more important in my opinion |
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| 04:25.23 | epony | you can't compensate for large number of users and viewing developers any other way but with large number of.. (repeat same sentence) |
| 04:26.17 | annadane | people can take a gander at https://www.debian.org/security/ and/or https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/ https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ etc |
| 04:26.37 | ryouma | also, i think many die-hard long-term floss-contributor bug-reporting users of debian are kind of picky about stuff (compliment) |
| 04:26.56 | epony | it's probably a good recommendation to gradually and carefully tweak up measures of security and mitigations against baseline vulnerabilities in the system one at a time carefully in the default installation so you benefit from this large live testing group (it would be very useful to the wide range of Linux users out there from other distributions too) |
| 04:27.17 | annadane | debian does have a better historical reputation than mint/manjaro and slackware is run basically by one person whereas debian has what, 1000 official developers, so... |
| 04:29.25 | annadane | plus whatever comfort you can derive from using debian stable intentionally for older versions of software which in theory are less likely to be exploited compared to the shifting goalposts of newer software |
| 04:29.30 | annadane | but that's sort of incidental |
| 04:29.40 | ryouma | i cant tell from https://www.linux.com/news/debian-linux-was-the-most-vulnerable-operating-system-in-the-last-20-years/ what methodologuy was used |
| 04:30.01 | epony | stable and secure are orthogonal |
| 04:31.12 | annadane | i forget, does orthogonal mean less likely to be connected or more likely? |
| 04:31.33 | epony | at 90° angle |
| 04:31.44 | annadane | right but i don't get the analogy so to speak |
| 04:31.55 | epony | different directions |
| 04:32.02 | epony | not necessarily connected |
| 04:32.06 | annadane | so you're saying stable is not secure |
| 04:32.16 | annadane | or rather that it's different priorities? |
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| 04:32.18 | ryouma | less |
| 04:32.48 | ryouma | 2 knobs like etch-a-sketch, not like screwy knobs connected |
| 04:33.02 | ryouma | but idk if it's true |
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| 04:34.24 | epony | in Linux distributions like Debian it is less likely to be insecure probably stable is kept with quite a significant backporting effort |
| 04:34.43 | annadane | on the whole i'd trust Stable to be more secure than anything but the main point for most users (servers aside) is just to avoid unnecessary updates constantly |
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| 04:35.06 | annadane | introduce new stuff only when required as opposed to everything; less overall hassle |
| 04:35.48 | annadane | although yes security-wise, you can really nail down individual packages so you know your version of gimp or whatever is a known quantity |
| 04:36.58 | annadane | there are bugs but the bugs are known bugs rather than new bugs that come with new versions of stuff |
| 04:37.54 | TuxCrazy | are rolling release distros like manjaro better than fixed release distros, in this respect? |
| 04:38.17 | themill | no |
| 04:38.21 | epony | depends on the devs involved in the "rolling" compared to "stable" |
| 04:38.56 | TuxCrazy | epony, what about manjaro? |
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| 04:39.23 | epony | I hope you would share the details ;-) |
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| 04:40.53 | epony | how many developers does it have.. and of them how many security experts, and of them how many working on actively patching the kernel and packages |
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| 04:45.18 | annadane | also, https://www.debian.org/users/ https://www.debian.org/social_contract https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
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| 04:48.54 | ryouma | i use stable but i find i fear dist-upgrades. if upgrades occastionally area problem, the flip side is that upgrades all at once is a lot all at once. |
| 04:49.22 | ryouma | everything that breaks breaks at once |
| 04:50.03 | annadane | YMMV i guess |
| 04:50.20 | annadane | i'm a little apprehensive about nvidia because i don't know if i'll need to use the legacy packages as of bullseye or not |
| 04:50.44 | epony | I can share the info that I use OpenBSD -current via snapshot to snapshot binary upgrades of the OS and packages, and it has proven the best user experience so far (of course, with watching the system ChangeLog and relevant mailing lists) |
| 04:51.26 | epony | so, you might need to start tracking the lists and announcements and changelogs to fear less upgrades and updates |
| 04:51.39 | TuxCrazy | epony, I don't have any idea about how many devs manjaro has. |
| 04:51.41 | epony | (it's a similar process regardless of the distribution and software model) |
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| 04:52.23 | ryouma | i don't fear updates because those are tiny for me |
| 04:52.32 | ryouma | oops i mean upgrades |
| 04:52.37 | ryouma | vis-a-vis dist-upgrades |
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| 04:53.19 | annadane | it's definitely something to prepare for in advance |
| 04:53.26 | annadane | then hopefully stuff goes smoothly |
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| 04:56.44 | annadane | or wait until x.1 |
| 04:57.10 | annadane | but i mean, it's also 2 years in the making |
| 04:57.18 | annadane | most stuff will probably Just Work |
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| 05:10.42 | epony | if you want details related to comparisons with OpenBSD, let me know and say how a certain aspects is in Debian, and I'll match that with the OpenBSD process and related details |
| 05:12.40 | epony | the major differences are that there are lot of mitigations in the default setup which are non optional and everyone is using them and running the system live effetively testing these |
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| 05:13.29 | epony | and the development model is tracking the HEAD and only maintenance (security) backports for the critical issues for the last two releases (every 6 months like clockwork) |
| 05:14.06 | epony | so the snapshots are just continuous production releases of the HEAD with all packages compiled from ports |
| 05:14.54 | epony | thus, it's much closer to the rolling release model (while it is not a rolling model) but a twice yearly releases (fixed in time snapshots) |
| 05:16.30 | karlpinc | epony: Trouble with OpenBSD is that ports don't tend to get security fixes except for the latest stable release. And figuring out what ports need to be updated involves tracking the mailing list and filtering out tons of junk. And then you often need to compile your own port after that.... |
| 05:16.39 | epony | The point of the system is to have correct process and correct code, thus security comes as an after effect with the code correctness and measures to clamp software of the system and ports (third party addon software) with these "mitigations" |
| 05:18.04 | epony | well actually the security fixes in ports come from upstream developers (the authors of the original software) that get notified by port maintainers so OpenBSD helps the third party software become security aware as a result of these measures |
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| 05:19.18 | epony | so ports get only latest versions in -current (tracks HEAD) and only there, if you run release you're stuck with 6 months old software until you upgrade (and only critical ports and packages get backported to release versions) |
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| 05:20.03 | karlpinc | epony: But this is offtopic for debian support. You can move to #debian-offtopic.... |
| 05:20.05 | epony | there is not much to figure, but upgrade weekly / monthly or every 6 months (if you run releases) |
| 05:21.36 | karlpinc | !security backports |
| 05:21.36 | dpkg | Debian incorporates security fixes into the version currently in <stable>. This is non-trivial so it may take a couple days. Backporting security fixes means that you can update the package without problems like changed behaviour that would come with updating to a new version of the software. The upstream version number doesn't change in the Debian package when this is done; check the changelog or the <tracker of doom>. |
| 05:21.46 | epony | of course, just the process is different so it's quite unlikely that comparisons for "security" are applicable between both systems (that also differ on the software included and the model of development) |
| 05:22.53 | epony | and the sizes of developer groups, maybe only the engagement level is similar |
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| 06:22.52 | usney | I enabled ftp for apt how do I disable it? |
| 06:23.12 | usney | I noticed that the repo mirrors that use ftp don't use ftps |
| 06:23.25 | usney | so I manually added https mirror |
| 06:28.28 | themill | usney: the protocols that are used are the ones you specified in your /etc/apt/sources.list or sources.list.d/*.list. |
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| 06:29.33 | jm_ | if you edited that just run apt update |
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| 06:36.56 | usney | yes I now that themill and jm_ |
| 06:37.14 | usney | I am talking about how do I disable ftp after I reenabled it? |
| 06:38.13 | jm_ | like we said, edit sources.list files, remove ftp URL-s (or replace them with https) and run apt update |
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| 06:40.38 | usney | I see |
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| 06:42.20 | usney | Newer versions of APT have disabled FTP access by default, which is used by some of the mirrors. Re-enable it: |
| 06:42.20 | usney | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:42.27 | usney | how do I undo that? |
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| 06:43.58 | usney | #debian-offtopic Pygriaaf |
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| 06:45.12 | Pygriaaf | Thank you. |
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| 06:52.55 | jm_ | usney: if I run that command I don't see it changing anything, does «apt-config dump» show it as being set? |
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| 06:57.41 | themill | if you've got no ftp URLs in your source.list, ftp is not used; nothing to do |
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| 06:58.05 | jm_ | yeah I would just do that and don't bother with apt-config |
| 06:58.26 | usney | I just did a grep ftp pipe and it didn't come up jm_ |
| 06:58.44 | usney | yes I have no ftp urls in my source.list |
| 06:58.50 | jm_ | then you're all good |
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| 06:59.11 | usney | thank you |
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| 06:59.26 | jm_ | no worries |
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| 07:02.30 | usney | Is there a way to install apt packages with dependencies to a flash drive to be able to run on any linux os? |
| 07:02.42 | usney | or should I try appimage? |
| 07:06.28 | jm_ | usney: check if apt-zip or apt-offline can help |
| 07:07.22 | jm_ | forget about apt-zip :) |
| 07:07.45 | usney | what about apt-offline? |
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| 07:07.54 | jm_ | ahh no, I misunderstood - yeah, those tools will not help with your problem |
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| 07:09.28 | jm_ | yeah just look at tools that can convert debs to appimg or snap files |
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| 07:12.39 | usney | okay cool you can use snap on debian too? jm_ |
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| 07:15.17 | jm_ | usney: yes, apt-cache show snapd |
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| 07:18.42 | _Fremen_ | hello everyone |
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| 07:19.03 | _Fremen_ | how I do fix UNCLAIMED graphics card? |
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| 07:21.06 | jm_ | _Fremen_: what is the exact problem? |
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| 07:23.30 | _Fremen_ | jm_, I have dell inspiron 15 7577 and it has Nvidia Primus technology. I am having problems with using dual monitor setup and I tried nearly every solution online and even broke my installation and had to reinstall |
| 07:24.22 | jm_ | !bumblebee |
| 07:24.22 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <stretch> and <buster> and <bullseye>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:24.27 | jm_ | _Fremen_: tried the above? |
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| 07:25.26 | _Fremen_ | jm_, installed it and did not make a difference |
| 07:25.49 | jm_ | _Fremen_: installed accrding to the wiki? |
| 07:26.40 | _Fremen_ | jm_, no will try that now |
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| 07:31.41 | acu | !paste |
| 07:31.41 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 07:50.51 | raver | > acu hat geschrieben: |
| 07:50.51 | raver | > !paste |
| 07:50.51 | raver | ``` |
| 07:50.51 | raver | echo "Hello World" | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 07:50.51 | raver | ``` |
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| 08:01.21 | snake-venom | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/X6KgCfb97q/ -- remove maribdb issue |
| 08:01.36 | snake-venom | install mariadb issue - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RZh5zFHwQD/ |
| 08:01.51 | snake-venom | dont know how to solve :( .. autoremove and autoclean also not solving this issue |
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| 08:07.25 | ksk | !ubuntu |
| 08:07.26 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 08:08.39 | ksk | the "remove issue" tells you, that something else is holding a lock on parts of the package database (like, a graphical apt-frontend or so?) |
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| 08:14.17 | _Fremen_ | hello |
| 08:14.38 | _Fremen_ | I tried the following tutorial https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 08:15.15 | _Fremen_ | still no change I get the following error: |
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| 08:15.28 | _Fremen_ | sudo optirun glxspheres |
| 08:15.29 | _Fremen_ | [ 738.189621] [ERROR]Error running "glxspheres": No such file or directory |
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| 08:25.42 | ratrace | _Fremen_: what's glxspheres? |
| 08:25.59 | ratrace | ,file glxspheres |
| 08:26.04 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 08:33.07 | _Fremen_ | ratrace, it is an example code in optirun |
| 08:33.15 | _Fremen_ | check it by man optirun |
| 08:33.33 | _Fremen_ | optirun glxspheres Runs the graphics demo supplied with Virtual GL. |
| 08:34.36 | jm_ | it's just an example usage, doesn't look like debian ships glxsphere |
| 08:34.37 | jm_ | s |
| 08:34.40 | ratrace | _Fremen_: there's no such file in any debian package though. did you perhaps want glxgears? it's in mesa-utils |
| 08:36.24 | _Fremen_ | ratrace, ok I still does not have output on my HDMI port, what should I do next? |
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| 08:38.30 | jaggz | My okular says it's version 1.3.2, but bugs.kde.org shows they're up at 1.9.x |
| 08:38.44 | ratrace | _Fremen_: sorry no idea, optimus has always been a huge broken mess on linux. |
| 08:38.48 | jaggz | local policy shows Installed & candidate: 4:17.12.2-2.2 |
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| 08:39.36 | _Fremen_ | ratrace, so my only alternative is installing windows or something? |
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| 08:40.29 | _Fremen_ | or does Bumblebee requires more setup? |
| 08:40.54 | themill | jaggz: you're running debian stable. You don't get new versions of applications within a stable release. |
| 08:42.45 | jaggz | themill, how does the local numbering system work? |
| 08:43.09 | jaggz | 4:17.12.2-2.2 vs. okular's 1.3.x through 1.9.x |
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| 08:44.32 | jaggz | and then it appears okular's own repositories do use this other numbering system.. so okular has two version numbering systems?? Not sure if that's weird or not |
| 08:44.34 | jaggz | https://github.com/KDE/okular/releases |
| 08:44.53 | jaggz | so debian's using that one possibly, with the 17.12 in buster |
| 08:47.13 | jaggz | 17.12 matches back in 2018 |
| 08:47.51 | ratrace | that's plasma apps versioning. 18.x is lts, and 19.x is latest upstream, 17.x is in buster |
| 08:48.58 | ratrace | it's most unfortunate huge mess, alright, with practically three version groups in KDE. |
| 08:49.06 | jaggz | heh |
| 08:49.40 | jaggz | okay.. so what's a relatively stable way to get some newer versions in here? to go to bullseye? |
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| 08:50.36 | jaggz | without breaking my life |
| 08:50.43 | ratrace | depends on your definition of "relatively stable" :) you could upgrade to testing, sure, if you accept the caveats. |
| 08:51.17 | fred__tv | wich installation image for a celeron64bit ? AMD64 or i386 ? |
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| 08:52.05 | ratrace | fred__tv: amd64 unless you have so little RAM that 32-bit might be more optimal choice. |
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| 08:53.05 | jaggz | ratrace, yeah.. too much going on right now.. will save this updating for another month or year :) |
| 08:53.09 | fred__tv | "amd" was misleading as celeron is intel..... thank you |
| 08:53.50 | ratrace | fred__tv: yea. amd64 is just a more popular name for x86_64, but it's x86 alright. |
| 08:54.17 | sedrosken | can I apply the pf patchset to the linux-source 5.4 package and expect it to work? I know it's got debian patches already |
| 08:55.02 | sedrosken | if nothing else, at least graysky's gcc optimizations patch? |
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| 08:55.27 | ratrace | sedrosken: no idea what pf patchset is, but in theory if it doesn't change the code that debian patches changed, it could work. |
| 08:55.53 | ratrace | work = apply all hunks with no conflict |
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| 08:56.00 | sedrosken | hmm, hang on, it seems like all they do is provide archives of the already-patched kernel source |
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| 08:56.15 | sedrosken | I wonder if I even can find the patches |
| 08:57.04 | sedrosken | ehh whatever then, just the gcc opts patch it is |
| 08:58.07 | jaggz | I always feel rude just parting a channel once I've reached a conclusion [and have no means to offer anything at the time to other channel members]... |
| 08:58.10 | jaggz | someone free me from that |
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| 08:58.51 | ratrace | jaggz: you're free to go, thanks for using debian. |
| 08:58.52 | ratrace | !next |
| 08:58.52 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 08:59.12 | jaggz | heh |
| 08:59.48 | jaggz | I need it to be general wisdom that applies to every channel.. I'll substitute "debian" with "us". |
| 09:00.39 | jaggz | I've found "/me flees" is a good balance that seems like it resolves it. |
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| 09:01.09 | jaggz | (technically, "/me fleas" might actually serve the purpose even better) |
| 09:01.16 | jaggz | okay, later y'all! thanks :) |
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| 09:37.59 | ice9 | is it okay to have single ssh key for all servers in different projects/companies or better to have separate key for every project? |
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| 09:41.23 | ksk | it is of course better to have more than one key. If you do not do key-forwarding you are not risk compromising it though. |
| 09:41.35 | ksk | *you do not risk |
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| 10:45.50 | Yonatan___ | What's up? |
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| 10:46.08 | ratrace | little fluffy clouds |
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| 11:31.40 | rander2 | hello |
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| 11:42.14 | rander2 | !fixmbr |
| 11:42.14 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 11:42.25 | rander2 | is it correct ? |
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| 11:43.57 | rander2 | I installed another linux distribution togheder deb10, and its grub is not bootable, the screen remain black, and alt+Fx dont have any effect |
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| 11:49.08 | jm_ | rander2: if you are looking for a way to reinstall GRUB, then the above is correct, yes |
| 11:50.21 | rander2 | ok, so I must boot from a deb10 live with chroot , or it's possible reinstall it from rescue normale boot ? |
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| 11:51.16 | rander2 | 'cause I installed it from netinstall, so I could download the large .iso image and burn it in a usb key |
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| 11:52.23 | jm_ | you can boot with netinst in rescue mode |
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| 11:55.31 | rander2 | jm_, ok, but I must boot from another .iso , not from the original OS |
| 11:55.50 | jm_ | rander2: yes, that's why I said you can use debian netinst ISO |
| 11:55.58 | rander2 | this is the central point ? |
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| 11:56.13 | rander2 | ok, thx jm_ very gentle |
| 11:56.18 | Diks1722 | ok |
| 11:56.24 | Diks1722 | hey |
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| 13:06.25 | LunaLovegood | I dd'd the Debian netinst image to a USB key and successfully booted the installer on my diskless computer. Now, is there a way from there to mount a (currently empty) remote nfs share and point the installer at it for later pxe/nfsroot boots? |
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| 13:13.31 | LunaLovegood | I'd thought I could mount /target and skip the "Partition disks" step, but it looks like there are no nfs modules with the installer's kernel. |
| 13:14.05 | LunaLovegood | Guess I'll go back to doing it with debootstrap. |
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| 13:16.32 | zatumil | I would expect something called netinst has options for nfs |
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| 13:17.17 | LunaLovegood | Nah, it's a minimal size image to be able to download and install the rest of the system from the Internet. |
| 13:18.26 | zodd_ | zatumil, if you are interested in nfs you will probably want pxe for which you can still use netinst |
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| 13:27.40 | riverr | How can I install exact node 13.9 version in debian 9? I dont want to use node version manager |
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| 13:27.56 | riverr | it install the 13.10.1 |
| 13:28.11 | jelly | riverr: what's the package name? |
| 13:28.19 | riverr | jelly, nodejs |
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| 13:28.45 | jelly | riverr: if you look at "apt-cache policy nodejs" do you see the desired version as available from some repo? |
| 13:28.48 | GNU\colossus | riverr, you can download the static builds from nodejs.org, unpack that somewhere in /opt/, and symlink the executable in /usr/local/ - that's what we did to make our frontend "developers" happy. |
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| 13:29.04 | GNU\colossus | jelly, chances are ~ 0 |
| 13:29.05 | riverr | hmm sounds hard |
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| 13:30.05 | zatumil | nfsroot is possible, but does debian-installer install the root filesystem into nfs mount? maybe there is a different debian-installer available in fai-nfsroot package? |
| 13:30.33 | GNU\colossus | riverr, I'd start with downloading https://nodejs.org/dist/v13.9.0/node-v13.9.0-linux-x64.tar.xz |
| 13:31.12 | ratrace | GNU\colossus: no uh... "containers"? :) |
| 13:31.40 | riverr | https://tecadmin.net/install-latest-nodejs-npm-on-debian/ |
| 13:31.45 | riverr | I used this tutorial |
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| 13:32.18 | GNU\colossus | ratrace, and worrying about getting _everything else_ into that container of yours as well? you just turned your one problem into n+1 problems, with presumably nontrivial n |
| 13:32.48 | ratrace | GNU\colossus: you're preaching to the choir ;) |
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| 13:35.58 | f8e3 | what is this file for: ~/.xprofile (xfce) |
| 13:37.42 | f8e3 | yes: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xprofile but .profile the same, or use .bashrc? |
| 13:38.08 | f8e3 | i try so bash is if terminal is started, but i have no .xprofile for lightdm |
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| 13:43.26 | f8e3 | the doc says: "you also need to tell ssh about it by adding this to your init script:" |
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| 13:45.03 | ratrace | f8e3: what are you trying to achieve? |
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| 13:51.08 | jelly | GNU\colossus: some third (first?) party repos keep many versions of binary packages available |
| 13:51.15 | f8e3 | ratrace: https://incenp.org/notes/2015/gnupg-for-ssh-authentication.html |
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| 13:55.02 | f8e3 | ratrace: where to place the lines, .xprofile is only for xsessions, what if i use tty1 instead |
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| 13:55.24 | bacarrdy | Hello, any one tryed to create raid10 with 4x nvme u2 ssd drives? was reading today a lot and seems that dell raid cards doesnt support it or something like it. So thinking or software raid could help in this case or may be there is raid cards for nvme raid? |
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| 13:59.27 | zodd_ | riverr, upgrade to deb10 if possible. Next consider: https://github.com/nodesource/distributions/blob/master/README.md#deb |
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| 14:00.28 | riverr | zodd_, whats the main differences in debian 10? |
| 14:00.31 | riverr | or how its better |
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| 14:02.44 | ratrace | bacarrdy: I don't see why it wouldn't work. the drives don't know they're in raid configuration, if you use software raid like mdadm |
| 14:02.59 | zodd_ | deb10 is the current stable release. Debian is by default old, but more robust than most Linux distros. Basicallt deb9 is years behind. You will need to upgrade sooner or later. But now NodeJS comes into the picture where developers want the latest stuff. Latest with ancient might not mix well. Better to keep things as close as possibe. So 2 reasons to consider upgrading. |
| 14:03.44 | greycat | I don't understand why people develop in a language that is still a moving target. It must be horrible. |
| 14:03.53 | ratrace | f8e3: ~/.xsessionrc probably |
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| 14:04.28 | zodd_ | iirc nodejs is also a rolling release thingy |
| 14:04.46 | ratrace | f8e3: ah for tty... well, that's your shell config then. I don't know what to suggest here, I never tried to use gpg with ssh, I don't see the point... |
| 14:04.48 | jelly | one man's horrible is another's "able to finally use decent language features" |
| 14:04.57 | zodd_ | so by default your setup is not properly tested... |
| 14:05.04 | zodd_ | lol |
| 14:05.07 | greycat | jelly: for the next month, until they break again... |
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| 14:05.22 | jelly | greycat: if you think node is problematic, don't take a look at the Rust ecosystem |
| 14:05.26 | riverr | zodd_, oh |
| 14:05.32 | zodd_ | the classic split between (frontend) developers and sysadmins |
| 14:05.33 | ratrace | or an angry dev pulls out a string padding lib that halfa internet is using, which then breaks halfa internet. |
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| 14:05.56 | jelly | greycat: to compile rust x + 0.01 you need a working rustc version x |
| 14:06.30 | ratrace | zodd_: in my company, the sysadmins won. I expressly forbid any installation of nodejs. so far so good. |
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| 14:09.02 | ratrace | problem is stuff that doesn't really need nodejs but wants it anyway, like the <expletives> reactjs |
| 14:09.20 | ratrace | _thankfully_ that's needed only on developers workstations and doesn't concern my servers. |
| 14:09.43 | zodd_ | it remains a classic :-) http://bofh.bjash.com/ |
| 14:10.09 | ratrace | I'm a BofH indeed :) |
| 14:10.10 | greycat | Blocked. :( |
| 14:11.24 | greycat | f8e3: can you repeat your question? I came in late and only caught parts of it. Also .xprofile is not standard in Debian, though some desktop environments might use it, I guess. |
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| 14:13.32 | f8e3 | greycat: i try to follow https://incenp.org/notes/2015/gnupg-for-ssh-authentication.html, deb10 + xfce, i try to dropin gpg-agent instead of ssh-agent (easier keymgng/backup), now where to place the linkd lines into an 'init script', which one for terminals/users/even-tty0? |
| 14:14.16 | greycat | Eugh... I don't know a lot about gpg, especially the apparently totally rewritten-from-scratch gnupg 2.x |
| 14:15.04 | f8e3 | abstraction: where to have bash sourced, if iam in any environment terminals/users/even-tty0/tty7 ? |
| 14:15.45 | greycat | But that's a HUGE x-y. You do not want to run an agent on a remote server that you're sshing into. Agents should only be running on your trusted, physically-there-in-front-of-you workstation. |
| 14:16.08 | greycat | (I'm going by my understanding of ssh agents, not GPG agents.) |
| 14:16.38 | f8e3 | the agent is local, its only for cache |
| 14:16.46 | ratrace | my question is really what does gpg offer here instead of native openssh keys... |
| 14:17.30 | greycat | that's another great question, though my first thought is "I'm already using this gpg agent thing, so if I can make it do double duty, it might simplify my life", but it sounds like life has not been simplified here |
| 14:18.25 | joepublic | "getty pood grivacy"? |
| 14:18.44 | greycat | GNU Privacy Guard, their version of PGP |
| 14:19.24 | greycat | and apparently gpg (aka gnupg) v2 rewrote things in a MAJOR way |
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| 14:20.50 | greycat | So, if we ignore the ssh part entirely and simplify f8e3's question down to "I want to run the agent on local console logins and also on *dm logins", you will need code in ~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile for the console logins. And then code in ~/.xsessionrc for the *dm logins. |
| 14:21.10 | f8e3 | ratrace: keymgngt, pgp additonal funcs, git signs with pgp, easier backup, pgp2 is (thank god) a rewrite to ease use, interaction with ssh gets simpler, especiall: private masterkey with ssh keys being ssb subkeys only (security), + https://opensource.com/article/19/4/gpg-subkeys-ssh |
| 14:21.33 | f8e3 | greycat aye thank you will try |
| 14:22.18 | greycat | (assuming bash is your login shell -- if zsh or something else is your login shell, adjust the dot files accordingly) |
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| 14:25.28 | ratrace | personally I'd always advocate separation of concerns. centralizing all key mgmt with just one suite is asking for a SPOF-related issues, and in some cases even their roles might contradict. |
| 14:26.51 | f8e3 | ratrace correct, but: rather have the crown juwels in ONE basket and duplicate it, than disperse the juwels all over the place (bad track keeping etc) |
| 14:27.17 | f8e3 | the duplicate/backup is the crucial; overall i assume its more robust |
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| 14:27.22 | ratrace | f8e3: what about situations where you want person X to be able to sign git commits but have no ssh access, or vice versa... |
| 14:27.41 | f8e3 | ratrace you issue another ssb, and easiy revoke it if compromised simplest |
| 14:27.54 | f8e3 | set expirt and all the funky stuff. |
| 14:28.26 | ratrace | I'm not talking about that, but about separation of roles. |
| 14:28.51 | f8e3 | ratrace you can have as many identies as you want (keyrings primarys subs etc) |
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| 14:30.06 | f8e3 | gpg web-of-trust is a big FAIL due hassle, and trusting others to sign so their trust increses local width of trusted keys forming a 'web thing', bah, otherwise good |
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| 14:34.59 | annadane | if i remove myself from a group do i need to log out for the changes to take effect? |
| 14:35.04 | greycat | yes |
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| 15:12.26 | f8e3 | greycat: https://superuser.com/a/789465/1047263 is ~/.profile sufficient for not only console but graphical logins (making .xsessionrc optional here) ? |
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| 15:12.48 | LunaLovegood | Hello, is it safe to remove the e2fsprogs and libext2fs2 packages if it's for a diskless (nfsroot) computer? |
| 15:13.03 | greycat | f8e3: you already know the answer, don't you? |
| 15:13.19 | f8e3 | greycat it does, can you confirm? |
| 15:13.39 | greycat | Are you claiming that the things you placed in ~/.profile actually WORKED in your GUI login!? |
| 15:13.57 | greycat | that is not normal. you might have done something to MAKE that happen, like sourcing ~/.profile from one of your GUI files |
| 15:14.27 | greycat | you might have even FORGOTTEN that you did it, if it was long ago |
| 15:14.33 | greycat | or you might not be in Debian |
| 15:14.35 | f8e3 | greycat i defer it from the link posted, grpahicals OR to sh must be in profile |
| 15:14.40 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 15:14.41 | greycat | .. |
| 15:14.57 | f8e3 | where to read up on this |
| 15:15.14 | f8e3 | man bash maybe ok |
| 15:15.20 | greycat | Are you reading a RANDOM FUCKING SEARCH RESULT ON THE INTERNET and ASSUMING THAT IT IS TRUE AND ACCURATE without testing it? And then asking ME why my answer was what it was? |
| 15:15.54 | somiaj | LunaLovegood: do you really need ths space claimed by that, one usually shouldn't remove a 'required' package |
| 15:16.30 | f8e3 | greycat your answer is good, will implement it uff. |
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| 15:20.44 | somiaj | LunaLovegood: https://wiki.debian.org/ReduceDebian -- this lists some ways to reduce debian, it does seem e2fsprogs and libext2fs are not essential packages, though they can be removed. Though together the packages only take 2MB, so probably don't get much from removing them unless space is extremaly limited. |
| 15:21.50 | LunaLovegood | Yeah, I guess it's just some OCD kicking in or something lol. |
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| 15:23.11 | annadane | oh, wow. |
| 15:23.20 | annadane | i know the wiki gets some criticism but it also has a lot of good stuff |
| 15:23.22 | tcurdt | I have unsintalled postgresql but the service is still listed as failed ... why is that? |
| 15:25.08 | annadane | tcurdt, AFAIK services don't automatically stop after you uninstall a package |
| 15:25.25 | annadane | i think you have to manually systemctl stop postgresql.service |
| 15:25.37 | tcurdt | annadane: I have even rebooted and they are still there |
| 15:25.42 | annadane | or hmm, i know that's true for processes |
| 15:25.45 | annadane | i don't know, then |
| 15:26.39 | greycat | tcurdt: what packages did you actually remove, and what packages did you actually purge? and what packages remain? |
| 15:27.09 | greycat | my current guess is you removed some metapackage that depends on a versioned postgresql package, but you didn't remove the real (versioned) package |
| 15:27.23 | annadane | ^ |
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| 15:28.10 | ludo_Vendetta | hello |
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| 15:28.40 | luke | !fixmbr |
| 15:28.40 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 15:28.43 | tcurdt | greycat: apt-get purge prometheus-nginx-exporter postgresql |
| 15:29.01 | greycat | !info postgresql |
| 15:29.05 | greycat | err |
| 15:29.07 | dpkg | postgresql: (object-relational SQL database (supported version)), section database, is optional. Version: 12+214 (sid), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 66 kB |
| 15:29.08 | Guest5757 | on my system I havent /boot/efi |
| 15:29.13 | greycat | ,info postgresql |
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| 15:29.15 | judd | Package postgresql (database, optional) in buster/amd64: object-relational SQL database (supported version). Version: 11+200+deb10u3; Size: 59.4k; Installed: 64k |
| 15:29.30 | greycat | Damn, I was hoping for a better description, but... you see how it's only 64k? |
| 15:29.34 | Guest5757 | so what must I mount instead /boot/efi |
| 15:29.36 | greycat | ,depends postgresql |
| 15:29.38 | judd | Package postgresql in buster/amd64 -- depends: postgresql-11. |
| 15:30.00 | greycat | "postgresql" is a metapackage. It only exists to depend on "postgresql-11" or some other versioned packaged. |
| 15:30.08 | tcurdt | so removing the meta package does the install but is not enough for the remove? |
| 15:30.09 | Guest5757 | I'm in chroot mode from rescue usb key |
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| 15:30.33 | greycat | it sounds like you also want to remove postgresql-11 or whatever version exists in your release |
| 15:31.08 | ludo_Vendetta | V* |
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| 15:31.32 | rander2 | hello |
| 15:31.32 | ratrace | I think removing 'postgresql' leaves 'postgresql-<version>' as an auto package for autoremove |
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| 15:31.57 | ratrace | hrm.... doesn't... nvm what I just said. |
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| 15:32.41 | rander2 | mount /boot/efi # but I haven't efi file or folder |
| 15:32.55 | rander2 | maybe dont use uefi in bios |
| 15:33.00 | annadane | i know that sometimes when i've uninstalled packages certain *processes* are still left running but i don't know whether the same is true of services |
| 15:33.07 | annadane | metapackages vs the packages they point to aside |
| 15:33.12 | tcurdt | I did a grep on dpkg and purged all postgres related ... ot it's ok |
| 15:34.02 | SanchoPensa | Hey guys! |
| 15:34.02 | SanchoPensa | As of lately, I am experiencing weird problems with filezilla. First I thought, it was a problem with vsftp, but no matter the changes in the config, filezilla keeps on doing weird things, and according to duck duck go, it is definitely not vsftp but filzilla: |
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| 15:34.37 | tcurdt | another package is also a bit strange: prometheus-nginx-exporter ... purged that ... I don't see anything left to uninstall ... it's still listed as "not-found failed failed prometheus-nginx-exporter.service" |
| 15:34.40 | SanchoPensa | transfers get stuck at 100% then some error message of a time out on the command line appears, and then the transfer starts all over again. |
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| 15:35.49 | tcurdt | even after a "systemctl daemon-reload" it's still there |
| 15:35.58 | SanchoPensa | like infinitely. |
| 15:35.58 | SanchoPensa | If I abort the download after 100% the next download produces an error message" Waiting for replies to skip before sending next command..." |
| 15:36.25 | SanchoPensa | does anybody happen to know, how to fix this, since the internet is really not helpful? |
| 15:36.38 | SanchoPensa | otherwise what ftp clients are you guys using nowadays? |
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| 15:36.54 | greycat | none |
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| 15:37.28 | SanchoPensa | greycat: scp-Ing or wgetting tons of files? :D |
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| 15:38.24 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: Use sftp, not a ftpd |
| 15:38.26 | greycat | I doubt many people here do massive porn downloads like that, but if I had to do one, I'd write a shell loop with wget. Maybe. It would depend on the porn site. |
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| 15:38.51 | greycat | I can't even *do* FTP. Like, literally, it does not work through the corporate-type firewall here. |
| 15:38.55 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: also, filezilla can do sftp, including with ssh keys, so definitely do sftp. |
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| 15:39.44 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: as I said, I am using vsftp, and both vsftp and filezilla are configured to use a TLS encrypted line... |
| 15:40.00 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: vsftp = sftp (openssh FTP) |
| 15:40.05 | ratrace | vs = very secure |
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| 15:40.12 | ratrace | oops... vsftp != sftp |
| 15:40.18 | greycat | it's just a name... |
| 15:40.33 | ratrace | yes, but vs in vsftp stands for "very secure". sftp is "SSH FTP" |
| 15:40.38 | greycat | I have to wonder about the actual security of a product that names itself "very secure". |
| 15:40.48 | ratrace | vsftp is still a regular FTPd |
| 15:41.15 | tcurdt | the prometheus packages leave the service files behind in /etc/systemd/system/ :-( |
| 15:41.42 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: also, encryption in FTP is just for the control channel afaik. does it also encrypt data? |
| 15:41.48 | tcurdt | or there is something I don't get about systemd yet |
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| 15:42.30 | ratrace | tcurdt: packages don't install systemd files under /etc, but under /lib/systemd. /etc/systemd/ is local config |
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| 15:43.01 | tcurdt | ratrace: well, I didn't put them there :) |
| 15:43.37 | ratrace | tcurdt: someone did :) and if your package did... does the package come from debian or some third party repo? |
| 15:43.53 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: greycat: well, I am enforcing SSL, as far as I know, vsftp has a very good reputation of being reliable and as a matter of fact also secure. |
| 15:43.53 | SanchoPensa | And all that is actually not the issue. The issue is, that filezilla keeps hanging at 100% because it loses the connection. And that is according to the net not a vsftp but a filezilla issue. |
| 15:44.09 | tcurdt | ratrace: AFAIK those are official debian packages |
| 15:44.12 | SanchoPensa | I do therefore not quite understand, why we are now discussing about vsftp? |
| 15:44.20 | ratrace | tcurdt: `dpkg -L prometheus` will tell you if it installs them |
| 15:44.58 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: because you asked what clients are we using nowadays |
| 15:45.23 | SanchoPensa | greycat: other than that, I do not transmit pron, since there is so much of it on the net, that I simply see no point in it. Other than that not everybody here is a pimpledick :P |
| 15:45.30 | ratrace | tcurdt: I forgot, or any of the additionap prometheus-* packages it might've pulled in, check them too. |
| 15:45.40 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: and sftp is a client? |
| 15:45.58 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: yes, part of openssh-client |
| 15:45.59 | greycat | SFTP is a protocol, and sftp is a program that implements the client side of it. |
| 15:46.05 | greycat | sshfs is another. |
| 15:46.26 | tcurdt | ratrace: not in there ... but I have the feeling this is something else ... I also deinstalled ntp and there still is the link from ntp.service but to /dev/null |
| 15:46.28 | ratrace | but indeed I meant use the sftp _protocol_ when I suggested sftp |
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| 15:46.50 | tcurdt | I am still not feeling all too comfortable with systemd I guess |
| 15:47.03 | ratrace | tcurdt: manual interventions, disabling of the service will do that. the package afaik should NOT deal with systemd units under /etc, so uninstalling it, won't change /etc |
| 15:47.10 | somiaj | ratrace: if you 'mask' a service, that links is created by systemctl in /etc |
| 15:47.16 | somiaj | arg |
| 15:47.16 | ratrace | I know |
| 15:47.17 | somiaj | tcurdt: ^^ |
| 15:47.19 | ratrace | :) |
| 15:47.45 | somiaj | tcurdt: in general, if you have a file in /etc/systemd, it was put there because of something you did, and purging the file won't remove them. |
| 15:47.53 | somiaj | (as ratrace has already stated) |
| 15:48.18 | tcurdt | somiaj: stopping a service is manual intervention? |
| 15:48.33 | ratrace | stopping != masking or disabling |
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| 15:48.42 | jhutchins_wk | Does any mechanism exist to warn of expiring ssl certificates? |
| 15:48.51 | somiaj | stoping a service won't create a file in /etc/systemd, masking is different. Also if you use systemctl to edit the service, a copy of the file gets added to /etc |
| 15:49.06 | ratrace | jhutchins_wk: I've had a custom openssl based script that checked those, before I switched to LetsEncrypt |
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| 15:50.39 | ratrace | jhutchins_wk: it's an oneliner really, but I had it in a loop for each cert. `echo | openssl s_client -connect <domain>:<port> | openssl x509 -noout -dates` will give you dates to check and warn against |
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| 15:51.42 | tcurdt | ratrace: how do I get rid of the left-overs? I mean: I did a purge of the package, deleted the links in /etc/systemd/system and did a systemctl daemon-reload ... what else? |
| 15:51.47 | ratrace | somiaj: nitpick, but systemctl edit doesn't copy the whole unit, it creates and manages drop-ins snippets |
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| 15:52.20 | somiaj | ratrace: yea, puts it into foo.d/ |
| 15:52.30 | ratrace | tcurdt: purge will only deal with files the package is aware of, so any other files you placed there must be dealt yourself |
| 15:53.02 | tcurdt | ratrace: I did not place any files myself. I installed package and then uninstalled the package. |
| 15:53.21 | tcurdt | and now I am stuck with a service in systemd |
| 15:53.32 | ratrace | tcurdt: what's the service name? |
| 15:53.43 | tcurdt | ratrace: prometheus-nginx-exporter.service |
| 15:54.20 | ratrace | ,file prometheus-nginx-exporter.service |
| 15:54.25 | judd | Search for prometheus-nginx-exporter.service in buster/amd64: prometheus-nginx-exporter: lib/systemd/system/prometheus-nginx-exporter.service |
| 15:54.41 | ratrace | the package deals with the unit under /lib |
| 15:56.02 | ratrace | tcurdt: also: https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/prometheus-nginx-exporter/filelist |
| 15:56.27 | tcurdt | ratrace: judd: there is nothing at /lib/systemd/system/prom* |
| 15:56.36 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: so this literally runs via ssh, which I absolutely don't mind. Since I was scp-ing all them files anyways until a few months back, when I finally foung the andling of all them directories on the command line just too cumbersome. so, do you use a GUI client for it? |
| 15:57.28 | ratrace | tcurdt: judd is a bot. meanwhile, I find no postinst or other script that might touch /etc here: https://sources.debian.org/src/prometheus-nginx-exporter/0.6.0+ds-1/debian/ |
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| 15:57.56 | tcurdt | lol |
| 15:58.03 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: no. I use openssh's sftp client for quick transfers, and otherwise rsync, sometimes scripted with a Makefile for more complex transfers |
| 15:59.12 | ratrace | tcurdt: if there's nothing there, the package has removed it, as you said you uninstalled. if you re-install, it'll re-appear |
| 15:59.59 | greycat | tcurdt: what command are you running that makes you think pieces of the package are still present, and what is the ACTUAL output from that command? Paste it on paste.debian.net or similar. |
| 16:00.03 | ratrace | tcurdt: which is to mean that the package deals with its own default systemd unit. anything in /etc must've been placed there by someone; and the symlinks will get created/managed when you en/disable or mask the service. |
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| 16:01.31 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: due to the complexity of the file structure and the content, respectively the naming conventions, scripting is next to impossible... I am an archiver for audio-visual infotainment content. in other words, I really need that Gui client, or I can just as well stick to scp...? |
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| 16:02.00 | ratrace | SanchoPensa: command line scp? |
| 16:02.27 | greycat | I use scp for manual transfers sometimes, because of muscle memory more than anything. |
| 16:02.30 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: yeah. What I was doing till a while back, until the handling really got too cumbersome... |
| 16:02.47 | SanchoPensa | greycat: i feel ya, bro... :D |
| 16:02.56 | tinyhippo | greycat: I used to do that but now Iuse rsync |
| 16:02.59 | greycat | it's fine for simple one-off interactive stuff where you can fix it if it breaks |
| 16:03.15 | tinyhippo | its' not much more effort to type rsync -av rather than scp |
| 16:03.47 | SanchoPensa | rsync is pretty fine, if you have regular tasks, that are easy to automate... which in my case is unfortunately not the case... |
| 16:03.54 | jelly | scp is a lot less useful after they've implemented arbitrary checks on glob syntax |
| 16:03.55 | ratrace | tcurdt: I don't use Filezilla, but some of my Windowsite coleagues do, on windows. it works okay with sftp (protocol) and ssh-key based authentication. I'd recommend you try that instead of ftp, there could indeed be a problem in filezilla with FTP (the protocol) + TLS |
| 16:04.40 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: there is, as a matter of fact. I can definitely confirm it. |
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| 16:05.02 | tcurdt | ratrace: https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/prometheus-nginx-exporter/filelist even lists a file in /etc ... but I checked all files of the packages are gone |
| 16:05.16 | tcurdt | ratrace: still the service is listed here https://gist.github.com/tcurdt/d0fa0f3a26326ae2b1e370ef03d5f8d0 |
| 16:05.48 | greycat | stupid gist, no raw link can be derived from the non-raw link |
| 16:05.50 | ratrace | tcurdt: yes under /etc/default which is normal for services to have an environment file there, compatibility with sysv inits; but none under /etc/systemd/ |
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| 16:06.08 | SanchoPensa | so, guys, you are saying sftp over filezilla works better? hmmm... gonna have to check that out, will report back in a while... |
| 16:06.20 | tcurdt | ratrace: ok ... thought /etc in general ... anywway ... files are gone ... service is still listed |
| 16:06.25 | SanchoPensa | than you so far, ladies and gents, appreciate your help! |
| 16:06.51 | greycat | tcurdt: it clearly says "not found". I don't see the problem yet. Are you asking what service is LOOKING FOR prometheus-nginx-exporter.service? I don't know how to find that out, other than things like grep -r. |
| 16:06.55 | ratrace | tcurdt: no, sorry if I wasn't precise, I meant systemd units under /etc, should not (must not?) be managed by the package |
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| 16:07.25 | ratrace | tcurdt: I don't know how exactly systemd/systemctl creates that list, but if you have that symlink still under /etc/systemd/system just `unlink` it |
| 16:07.36 | greycat | P.S. the raw link is https://gist.githubusercontent.com/tcurdt/d0fa0f3a26326ae2b1e370ef03d5f8d0/raw/5ecc898fd30e09127e062998b6c65318d84826bf/gistfile1.txt |
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| 16:08.51 | greycat | so if you're just dead curious about why something is looking for your deleted service, you could start with something like grep -rF prometheus-nginx-exporter /etc/systemd /lib/systemd |
| 16:09.27 | tcurdt | greycat: why is systemd still looking for the service ... that's my question ... there is no file anymore in /etc/systemd/system and I reloaded systemctl |
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| 16:09.33 | greycat | ... |
| 16:09.37 | tcurdt | yes, grep -rF prometheus-nginx-exporter /etc/systemd /lib/systemd returns nothing |
| 16:09.49 | greycat | Then I don't know. Ask #systemd. |
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| 16:11.28 | tcurdt | ok ... then back to packaging part ... I don't get why a package would not remove the link from /etc/systemd/system when being removed |
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| 16:11.32 | tcurdt | is that expected? |
| 16:11.46 | somiaj | the package dose not know of this file |
| 16:11.47 | jelly | tcurdt: and by "reloaded" you mean "systemctl daemon-reload" ? |
| 16:11.56 | tcurdt | jelly: yup |
| 16:12.36 | ratrace | it is expected, /etc/systemd/ is for local systemd overrides of vendor (package) provided units under /lib/systemd/ |
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| 16:14.27 | tcurdt | ratrace: so these are all overrides? https://gist.github.com/tcurdt/9637d7471a857b5015ac8e04ad60c054 |
| 16:16.24 | somiaj | the services yes, I don't see why you have those links there (they are not on my system for isntance). |
| 16:16.52 | tcurdt | somiaj: odd ... I didnt' create them |
| 16:17.01 | ratrace | tcurdt: no, I was talking about service units. those files are .wants that systemd configures to express dependencies, and .service symlinks I'm not sure, iirc they're explicit enablements of a service |
| 16:17.07 | somiaj | something you did created them |
| 16:17.28 | ratrace | explicit systemctl enable <service> would do that, iirc, but I could be wrong |
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| 16:18.04 | tcurdt | is starting to hate systemd |
| 16:18.08 | somiaj | hmm, opps, I guess I do have an sshd.service link, I think the package puts that there so sshd.serbice and ssh.service are identicle. |
| 16:18.39 | somiaj | So it does appear packages will put links there to duplicate service names and to setup targets |
| 16:18.47 | ratrace | somiaj: ah yessss... no not the package, but Alias directive in the unit |
| 16:19.16 | somiaj | ratrace: so when the unit is run, if there is an Alias directive, systemd creates said link? |
| 16:19.16 | tcurdt | even after a reboot I still have those services from the removed packages listed as "loaded active exited" |
| 16:19.51 | ratrace | somiaj: not sure when it's created exactly, but those are definitely due to Alias= |
| 16:20.28 | ratrace | tcurdt: find /etc/systemd/ -name '*prometheus-nginx-exporter*' |
| 16:21.11 | somiaj | shouldn't systemctl status service list the location of said unit file? |
| 16:21.12 | tcurdt | ratrace: nothing |
| 16:24.13 | ratrace | somiaj: systemctl enable will create the Alias symlinks, just checked with a dummy unit |
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| 16:27.46 | somiaj | ratrace: does disable remove the links (so packages would remove them correctly)? |
| 16:28.06 | somiaj | though unsure if a package disables or what it does in its remove script |
| 16:28.13 | ratrace | somiaj: looks like it doesn't |
| 16:28.44 | ratrace | I don't think the packages deal with those files explicitly; only through systemctl controls |
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| 16:29.13 | somiaj | yea so I was wondering if systemd dealt with them, wonder if it cleans up dead links, so if you remove the dummy service the link gets cleaned up later |
| 16:29.39 | ratrace | somiaj: wait, it does remove the symlink if you _disable_ the main service unit yes |
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| 16:30.09 | somiaj | so packages probably disable the service before remobing the unit file? |
| 16:30.27 | somiaj | anyways, seems like systemd is correctly dealign with these Alias links |
| 16:31.08 | ratrace | somiaj: afaik it was always like that in debian, even pre-systemd. removing a package stops the service |
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| 16:31.51 | ratrace | (all the services enabled by default by the package) |
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| 16:32.40 | somiaj | yea, invoke-rc.d (I think this was the tool used) was probably updated to do similar things for systemd units |
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| 16:35.23 | somiaj | or maybe it is update-rc.d (if I recall correctly these are what packages use when installing/removing services) |
| 16:35.29 | SanchoPensa | ratrace: greycat: sftp works like charms with filezilla! Thanks once more, guys! |
| 16:36.02 | ratrace | update-rc.d iirc |
| 16:36.07 | ratrace | !next |
| 16:36.08 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 16:41.58 | ratrace | tcurdt: I wonder if for some reason the service ended up in initramfs, but if that was expected, the package should've triggered initramfs update. try it manually (update-initramfs -u) and see if that clears on next boot? |
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| 16:43.35 | tcurdt | ratrace: will try - but what is initramfs? sounds like it should be gone after reboot anyway |
| 16:44.21 | greycat | it certainly doesn't *sound* like the kind of package that would touch initrd |
| 16:44.24 | ratrace | tcurdt: it's a miniaturized rootfs containing minimum requirements to find and mount the root filesystem, and pivot to it, during boot. it's standard component of almost every linux distro |
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| 16:44.53 | ratrace | greycat: I was thinking more about manual masking that could've ended up as a symlink in initramfs and then systemd somehow picked that up something something.... just an idea. |
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| 16:46.09 | tcurdt | nah ... did the update-initramfs -u but still there after the reboot |
| 16:46.24 | ratrace | after all, systemd does consult files and simlinks under /lib, /etc and /run , it has no other database where it tracks deps and service enablement |
| 16:47.01 | ratrace | tcurdt: what does systemctl status prometheus-nginx-exporter.service say? |
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| 16:55.02 | tcurdt | ratrace: I think I found it |
| 16:55.35 | tcurdt | rm /etc/init.d/prom* and then a reboot |
| 16:56.17 | ratrace | ooohh yes, systemd wraps those through a generator, forgot about it. but uh... the package should've removed it. was it modified or something? |
| 16:56.49 | tcurdt | but I don't understand why those files were there - or rather were not removed when the package was removed |
| 16:56.58 | tcurdt | ratrace: nope ... nothing modified |
| 16:57.03 | greycat | it's not in https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/prometheus-nginx-exporter/filelist |
| 16:57.20 | greycat | must've been left over from an older version, or it was created on the fly for some reason |
| 16:57.51 | somiaj | tcurdt: Did you ever install prometheus locally or follow some guide to setting it up? |
| 16:57.52 | tcurdt | it seems like all prmetheus related packages were affected |
| 16:58.08 | tcurdt | somiaj: nope ... apt-get install ... that's it |
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| 16:58.18 | tcurdt | no custom repo |
| 16:58.25 | tcurdt | just plain buster |
| 16:58.37 | ratrace | tcurdt: try it again. make sure the init script is gone, then apt install prometheus-nginx-exporter, see if it appears |
| 16:58.52 | somiaj | all signs point to you (or some script) on your system did something which created these init files in /etc |
| 16:59.42 | somiaj | ratrace: If the script was a config file, and the install doesn't create it, it could also be due to the confmiss option. |
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| 17:00.50 | somiaj | just pointing out that the script not being created wouldn't be complete evidence the package doesn't create one |
| 17:01.40 | ratrace | are init scripts dealt with confmiss? I thought dh differentiated them from "config" |
| 17:02.01 | tcurdt | apt-get install prometheus-nginx-exporter, apt-get remove prometheus-nginx-exporter, systemctl daemone-reload, systemctl | grep prom |
| 17:02.05 | tcurdt | and it's still there |
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| 17:02.20 | ratrace | tcurdt: did the init script reappear under /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 17:02.48 | somiaj | ratrace: maybe I'm mistaken here, I was trying to look up if they are config files or not, I think being in /etc triggered that thought for me |
| 17:02.50 | tcurdt | ratrace: oddly enough - no |
| 17:02.58 | greycat | what's the easiest way to get from the binary package name (prometheus-nginx-exporter) to a source package name, so we can look for the systemd unit file in sources.debian.org? |
| 17:03.45 | tcurdt | but it left over /etc/systemd/system/prometheus-nginx-exporter.service -> /dev/null |
| 17:03.48 | ratrace | greycat: https://sources.debian.org/src/prometheus-nginx-exporter/0.6.0+ds-1/ |
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| 17:04.09 | somiaj | apt-cache show prometheus-nginx-exporter | grep Source -> Source: prometheus-nginx-exporter (0.1.0-1) |
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| 17:04.28 | ratrace | greycat: the lazy me googles for "<package> debian package", then I click the "Developer Information" in the sidebar, then there's the "browse source code" on the tracker |
| 17:04.36 | greycat | Ah. It *was* there, all along. |
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| 17:06.14 | greycat | tcurdt: you did apt-get remove, not apt-get purge? |
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| 17:06.37 | tcurdt | this time I just did a remove |
| 17:07.01 | greycat | that *might* explain why the service was masked -- I really don't know |
| 17:07.04 | somiaj | so it is treating the unit files as config files and putting them in /etc? |
| 17:07.14 | tcurdt | rm /etc/systemd/system/prometheus-nginx-exporter.service && reboot and it now it's gone again |
| 17:07.18 | greycat | somiaj: no, masking is done by creating a symlink in /etc |
| 17:07.22 | tcurdt | but I had to reboot |
| 17:07.29 | tcurdt | reloading systemd was not enough |
| 17:08.42 | ratrace | fires up a testing VM ... |
| 17:09.09 | ratrace | apt install prometheus-nginx-exporter does not install the service unit under /etc/systemd/system |
| 17:09.34 | greycat | I bet it doesn't install an init.d script either. |
| 17:09.40 | ratrace | not even an init.d script |
| 17:09.53 | ratrace | tcurdt: lay down all your cards. is this really debian buster? :) |
| 17:10.05 | tcurdt | lol |
| 17:10.14 | ratrace | Imma charge you $200 for wasted support time if it isn't. |
| 17:10.39 | tcurdt | lsb_release -a says: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) |
| 17:11.58 | tcurdt | ratrace: I used apt-get not apt ... not sure if that makes a difference ... I doubt it but... just for the record |
| 17:12.06 | greycat | it shouldn't |
| 17:12.27 | greycat | but so far there's no sign of who/what created the init.d script, so we have to assume it was something you did |
| 17:13.04 | ratrace | tcurdt: assuming that IS buster, do you have some trigger happy declarative config management there, like, I don't know, chef or puppet, or maybe nix |
| 17:13.05 | tcurdt | greycat: well, I wouldn't know how |
| 17:14.37 | tcurdt | ratrace: the initial install was with ansible but I did not run that during this irc session ... I can run it now to see if it does some funny business |
| 17:15.38 | tcurdt | as suspected - nothing |
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| 17:15.55 | ratrace | tcurdt: the bottom line is, if you remove the package, then make sure there aren't service units in /etc/systemd/system nor init scripts in /etc/init.d/ do they re-appear when you `apt-get install prometheus-nginx-exporter` ? |
| 17:16.15 | ratrace | *related service units and init scripts |
| 17:16.32 | greycat | the first bottom line is "purge it instead of removing it, if you really care about aesthetics like ignoreable warnings" |
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| 17:22.59 | tcurdt | ratrace: greycat: another round of tests https://gist.github.com/tcurdt/f22524156a784522984d768af6392820 ... using prune this time |
| 17:23.13 | tcurdt | I still have no clue how those init.d scripts came to be |
| 17:23.20 | tcurdt | but now I know what to check |
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| 17:23.27 | tcurdt | having to reboot though |
| 17:23.35 | tcurdt | is not really great |
| 17:23.43 | tcurdt | and should be reproducable |
| 17:24.08 | tcurdt | but that's probably rather a systemd thing |
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| 17:24.47 | tcurdt | and systemd = no friends (yet) |
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| 18:00.43 | raidghost | Are there any teatime for GNOME (i found one for kde) but not gnome) |
| 18:02.35 | jelly | raidghost: you can install the one for KDE at the expense of some disk space for zillions of dependencies |
| 18:03.19 | jelly | I suspect there are also online web pages with similar specific purpose timers |
| 18:03.54 | greycat | "apt-get -s install kteatime" wants to install 140 packages, for me, but it might be less on a system with GNOME installed |
| 18:03.58 | raidghost | jelly: install the one for kde, but then i have to install all THE KDE needed packages also |
| 18:04.08 | greycat | yes, that's what he said |
| 18:04.44 | greycat | glares at apt-get -s for not telling me the *size* |
| 18:05.26 | greycat | "sudo apt-get -u" shows the size, but it's sad that I have to break out sudo for that |
| 18:05.47 | jelly | hmm. Did it not use to do that? |
| 18:06.43 | jelly | aptitude -s install ... does: Need to get 31.3 MB of archives. After unpacking 252 MB will be used. |
| 18:07.07 | greycat | OK, aptitude wins this round. |
| 18:07.43 | jelly | apt does not, either |
| 18:08.58 | jelly | raidghost: so maybe just this time you can add --without-recommends... to that aptitude -s install kteatime |
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| 18:09.32 | jelly | see if there's a significant difference |
| 18:09.37 | greycat | that saves 30 MB for me, out of 167 MB |
| 18:09.46 | jelly | woo-frikkin-hoo |
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| 18:09.52 | wallbroken | hi |
| 18:10.04 | annadane | o/ |
| 18:10.06 | wallbroken | how to set dns server in debian 10 ? |
| 18:10.19 | jelly | wallbroken: depends on how your network is configured |
| 18:10.30 | wallbroken | actually it pulls from dhcp server, now i need to set 8.8.8.8 for all |
| 18:10.37 | greycat | wallbroken: for most people, the DHCP client daemon overwrites /etc/resolv.conf on a semiregular basis. |
| 18:10.42 | wallbroken | jelly: it's a guest virtual machine in dropbox with NAT configuration |
| 18:11.00 | jelly | wallbroken: and you cannot configure the dhcp server to provide the correct nameserver entries? |
| 18:11.12 | jelly | in... virtualbox? |
| 18:11.38 | wallbroken | looks like a virtualbox bug |
| 18:11.54 | jelly | we used to have recipes for that |
| 18:11.57 | jelly | !override dns |
| 18:11.57 | dpkg | To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf for more details. Note that by ignoring the DHCP-provided DNS servers, you may find that you are unable to use captive portals or surf the web on some network. Beware creating technical debt by doing things like chattr +i |
| 18:12.05 | wallbroken | the problem is that when i switch host connection, i need to reboot guest to get the new one |
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| 18:12.45 | wallbroken | so, what do i need to do? |
| 18:13.01 | greycat | You could start by reading what the bot said. |
| 18:13.19 | wallbroken | that said to not touch resolv.conf |
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| 18:13.39 | greycat | So, you can't read English. I'm so sorry to hear this. |
| 18:13.42 | jelly | correct, you can avoid touching it manually |
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| 18:14.44 | jelly | the silly irc client I use right now is hiding dpkg's messages, I trust it did its thing and provided a couple options and a dhclient-specific one? |
| 18:14.45 | wallbroken | jelly: so, what's the correct way to set the dns server address? |
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| 18:15.12 | jelly | wallbroken: I don't know, can you read what dpkg said more carefully (if it said anything) |
| 18:15.17 | greycat | jelly: "dpkg> To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf for more details. Note that ..." |
| 18:15.34 | greycat | And out friend read this as "do not touch /etc/resolv.conf". |
| 18:15.47 | jelly | the best plans... often go awry |
| 18:16.11 | greycat | I don't know how to write factoids that can be understood by a person who reads English at a 4th grade level, and also convey actual information. |
| 18:16.33 | jelly | wallbroken: I'd go read https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf |
| 18:16.38 | greycat | Of course, I didn't write this one, but still. |
| 18:16.51 | wallbroken | not really clear |
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| 18:17.06 | greycat | wallbroken: go to https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf in a browser |
| 18:17.12 | jelly | visits ircbots.debian.net instead |
| 18:17.23 | nickdo | if someone uses a code written in example of debian manpage, in a software with MIT license, is it a violation of terms? i saw a (one liner) condition in d's manpage, which i wanted to adapt. |
| 18:17.58 | greycat | nickdo: what package is the man page from, and what's the license of that package? |
| 18:18.13 | wallbroken | ok never mind... |
| 18:18.16 | jelly | wallbroken: there are several options on that page, I'd go with "Modifying /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf" |
| 18:18.37 | wallbroken | i'm not an expert, and i didn't understood that guide |
| 18:18.45 | wallbroken | so, never mind. thank you anyway |
| 18:19.17 | nickdo | greycat: it is a man 2 sys calls, not sure about the pacakge, base system? |
| 18:19.24 | nickdo | package* |
| 18:19.28 | greycat | nickdo: what man page is it? |
| 18:19.49 | jelly | nickdo: man pages typically do not embed significant passages of code |
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| 18:21.54 | nickdo | greycat: let me ask the person (waiting for his response on another chat) :p |
| 18:22.28 | jelly | nickdo: and there can't really be so many different ways to interact with a syscall, it is an API. However. IANAL. This is not legal advice. |
| 18:22.30 | nickdo | greaycat: seccomp(2), does it make sense? |
| 18:22.40 | greycat | ,file seccomp.2 |
| 18:22.44 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 18:23.00 | greycat | ,file seccomp.2.gz |
| 18:23.04 | judd | Search for seccomp.2.gz in buster/amd64: manpages-dev: usr/share/man/man2/seccomp.2.gz |
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| 18:23.31 | wallbroken | ok, foud the solution |
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| 18:23.38 | wallbroken | added "prepend domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8" to dhcclient.conf |
| 18:23.39 | greycat | manpages-dev is under GPL-2 according to /usr/share/doc/manpages-dev/copyright |
| 18:23.51 | greycat | wallbroken: make sure you spell the file name correctly |
| 18:24.18 | nickdo | jelly: yup, i think things get quite tricky, so i wanted to make sure that copy/paste don't come back at us haunting down the road. maybe extra cautious is overkill |
| 18:24.22 | greycat | oh wait, there are multiple licenses here... |
| 18:24.27 | wallbroken | -/etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 18:24.29 | nickdo | ah |
| 18:25.06 | greycat | The section that has seccomp in it is listed as "License: verbatim" |
| 18:25.09 | nickdo | greycat: does the package license also include example in the manpage? |
| 18:25.10 | ratrace | greycat: surely that's just for the manpage code? |
| 18:25.20 | nickdo | yup |
| 18:25.36 | nickdo | that's what i heard at least :D |
| 18:25.37 | ratrace | if the manpage is part of teh (MIT licensed) upstream source, then I'd imagine it's MIT too |
| 18:25.54 | greycat | And at the bottom of the file, "License: verbatim" is exlained. |
| 18:26.25 | greycat | ratrace: manpages-dev apparently draws from many different sources, and this particular page is from Linux |
| 18:26.49 | jelly | nickdo: let someone else read it, NOT you, write a functional spec, then you implement it. Now you've reinvented clean-room reverse engineering! |
| 18:27.20 | ratrace | heh |
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| 18:27.49 | nickdo | haha, i know it's above my paygrade anyway. i just wanted to have some understanding of what we are getting into :D |
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| 18:28.30 | jelly | I seem to remember GPL having exceptions for OS API boundaries |
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| 18:28.51 | greycat | the "verbatim" license seems more strict than GPL, to me, but IANAL |
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| 18:30.33 | nickdo | yup me neither, if it was solely my choice to change the world, i would have open sourced everything (even the gd hardware and cars design), but i am not a genius or expert of any sort. -.- |
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| 18:31.41 | jelly | > The User-space API (UAPI) header files, which describe the interface of user-space programs to the kernel are a special case. # says nothing about the docs for said API |
| 18:32.02 | jelly | https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.19/process/license-rules.html |
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| 18:34.04 | nickdo | thanks for the link. sad that it is not explicitly spelled out "what about the example code in manpage" .. maybe nobody get inspired by examples in manpage, instead folks resort to stackoverflow etc. :D |
| 18:34.35 | greycat | I suspect most people would just copy the example and never give credit. |
| 18:35.18 | jelly | if unsure, treat it as completely closed source, and reverse engineer it if that's legal |
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| 18:37.27 | nickdo | lol, maybe they can have a webapi for automated laywers, that would return forbidden status code if query is illegal. "can i at least reverse-engineer it?", resp: <i am a teapot> |
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| 18:38.20 | jelly | 418 != 403 |
| 18:38.24 | jelly | hides |
| 18:39.04 | nickdo | true! and 418 is deprecated as well (facepalm on more time) |
| 18:39.08 | jelly | 451 Unavailable For Legal Reasons |
| 18:39.32 | nickdo | noice 8-) |
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| 19:08.24 | iiee | dude |
| 19:08.27 | iiee | hi :) |
| 19:08.56 | iiee | i am using net install of debian 10 without x11 relying on framebuffer and mpv works good for video playback |
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| 19:51.40 | jhutchins_wk | Is there a way to prevent ipv6 dns lookups? |
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| 19:54.59 | pasiz | jhutchins_wk: /etc/gai.conf |
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| 20:05.13 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, but what disables 6 lookups? It seems to configure whether it sends queries over 6. |
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| 20:08.41 | pasiz | jhutchins_wk: disable ipv6 via sysctl if you need to be sure |
| 20:08.51 | ChmEarl | jhutchins, from firefox about:config |
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| 20:09.14 | pasiz | ChmEarl: and that helps to os level? |
| 20:09.47 | pasiz | jhutchins_wk: do you need ipv6 without dns? |
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| 20:10.10 | jhutchins_wk | pasiz: No. |
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| 20:10.46 | pasiz | then disable it via sysctl |
| 20:10.59 | jhutchins_wk | What we see is that nslookup returns the ipv4 address, then returns a srvfail for ipv6, which apps are seeing as a DNS fail. |
| 20:11.30 | jhutchins_wk | pasiz: It is disabled, but it seems to be autoconfiguring internal addresses. |
| 20:11.39 | pasiz | like: net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1 |
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| 20:12.14 | Dagger | jhutchins_wk: your DNS is broken. fix the DNS |
| 20:12.30 | pasiz | and same but conf.default.disable_ipv6 |
| 20:12.31 | Dagger | you shouldn't be disabling v6 for this, just use a DNS server that actually works |
| 20:12.43 | pasiz | and conf.lo.disable_ipv6 |
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| 20:12.58 | pasiz | Dagger: that is a good point |
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| 20:30.19 | wwilliam | !chroot |
| 20:30.20 | dpkg | To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target". |
| 20:30.39 | wwilliam | !bootstrap |
| 20:30.44 | wwilliam | :( |
| 20:31.36 | wwilliam | what is the factoid to create a sarge chroot? |
| 20:32.12 | greycat | that's going pretty damned far back... |
| 20:32.14 | greycat | !debootstrap |
| 20:32.14 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap https://debian-administration.org/article/426/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 20:32.27 | greycat | are you sure the sarge userspace will run on a modern kernel? |
| 20:33.10 | wwilliam | Thanks |
| 20:33.41 | wwilliam | that is all i need i forgot the name of the chroot i created and i name it exactly as the instructions thank you. |
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| 20:39.55 | wwilliam | how do i know if i have any chroot set up i forgot the name |
| 20:39.57 | wwilliam | shit |
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| 20:41.32 | Akuw | i am getting this when try to install "pcscd : Depends: libccid (>= 1.4.1~) but it is not going to be installed or" |
| 20:41.40 | Akuw | but that .deb file is there |
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| 20:42.37 | Akuw | "/srv/local-apt-repository/libccid_1.4.18-1_amd64.deb" |
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| 20:44.30 | allizom | Akuw: what is your exact command line? |
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| 20:45.01 | Akuw | "apt-get install pcscd" |
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| 20:50.56 | wwilliam | !install guide |
| 20:50.57 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/installmanual . See also <errata> and <buster release notes>. |
| 20:51.14 | greycat | you know you can /msg the bots, right? |
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| 20:54.12 | Akuw | ?? |
| 20:54.24 | Akuw | the problem is with that package only |
| 20:54.41 | allizom | Akuw: which debian version and arch are you running this on? how have you configured your local repo? please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:55.20 | Akuw | deb [trusted=yes] file:///var/lib/local-apt-repository/ ./ |
| 20:56.02 | Akuw | all packges install without problem |
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| 20:56.10 | Akuw | the only package is that |
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| 20:56.23 | Akuw | pcscd, with dependency problem |
| 20:57.07 | greycat | so the file is actually in /src/local-apt-repository/ but sources.list says /var/lib/local-apt-repository/ ? |
| 20:57.11 | greycat | err /srv/ |
| 20:58.00 | Akuw | yes |
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| 20:58.12 | Akuw | "srv/" |
| 20:58.20 | Akuw | "/srv" |
| 20:58.23 | greycat | 16:42 Akuw> "/srv/local-apt-repository/libccid_1.4.18-1_amd64.deb" |
| 20:58.34 | Akuw | yes |
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| 21:07.30 | allizom | <allizom: Akuw: which debian version and arch are you running this on? how have you configured your local repo?> |
| 21:08.05 | greycat | at least we know there's an _amd64.deb file in it |
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| 21:17.37 | f8e3 | how to reverse-i-search and jump to previous search hit? |
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| 21:25.26 | dob1 | ,v guacamole |
| 21:25.27 | judd | Package: guacamole on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8.3-1.1; sid: 0.9.9+dfsg-1; stretch: 0.9.9+dfsg-1 |
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| 23:15.18 | kittonian | hi all. i am trying to build the latest geoipupdate from maxmind and it's requiring pandoc. I installed pandoc via apt and now it's complaining about "no version number", but when I went to install the libghc-pandoc-dev it wants to install a ridiculous amount of other stuff. perhaps I am choosing the wrong dev package? |
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| 23:37.01 | dob1 | what does that mean ? [vsftpd.conf:1] Line references path below legacy directory /var/run/, updating /var/run/vsftpd/empty â /run/vsftpd/empty; please update the tmpfiles.d/ drop-in file accordingly |
| 23:38.32 | dob1 | I cannot start it... |
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| 23:41.18 | dob1 | and I can start it with /etc/init.d/vsftpd not by systemd |
| 23:44.48 | lupulo | dob1, do you have systemV or systemd? |
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| 23:45.04 | dob1 | lupulo, I use systemd for every service |
| 23:45.05 | lupulo | dob1, install Freebsd sure you could start with init.d |
| 23:45.15 | dob1 | freebsd? |
| 23:45.25 | dob1 | I am using debian |
| 23:45.46 | lupulo | dob1, daemons don't understand system |
| 23:46.03 | lupulo | they read the script from init.d or lib/system |
| 23:46.17 | lupulo | your problem is not daemon read from init.d |
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| 23:47.08 | dob1 | lupulo, I used init.d in the older debian releases and I am using systemd now. imho the problem is vsftp, systemctl status vsftpd works but I was not able to start it before |
| 23:47.31 | lupulo | dob1, https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_V |
| 23:47.40 | lupulo | dob1, systemctl enable vsftpd |
| 23:47.58 | dob1 | lupulo, I know these commands but as you see there was an error before |
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| 23:49.01 | lupulo | dob1, increase the debug level verbose |
| 23:49.02 | lupulo | https://wiki.debian.org/es/systemd |
| 23:49.33 | dob1 | lupulo, I was able to start it |
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| 23:55.02 | lupulo | dob1, i don't understand "your please update the tmpfiles.d" |
| 23:55.04 | lupulo | https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-tmpfiles.html |
| 23:55.20 | dob1 | lupulo, it was an error that I get after the installation of vsftpd |
| 23:55.48 | lupulo | but do you know systemd-tmpfiles? |
| 23:55.51 | lupulo | it is new |
| 23:57.11 | lupulo | do you have a docker? |
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