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| 00:13.29 | Kobaz | soooo, having an order-of-operations problem with ldconfig |
| 00:13.47 | Kobaz | i have 00_postgres.conf in /etc/ld.so.conf.d |
| 00:14.16 | Kobaz | and when ldconfig is running, it puts /usr/lib etc in the cache first, even though 00 is first... is there another way to do ordering? |
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| 00:17.48 | Kobaz | looks like putting in /etc/ld.so.conf file works instead of using /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ |
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| 00:19.26 | Kobaz | oh duh. /etc/ld.so.conf was missing entirely... so in include *.conf |
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| 00:49.59 | oxek | is it possible to do the almost-full-disk-encryption after debian has been installed unencrypted? Like how Truecrypt/BitLocker do it on windows? |
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| 00:51.08 | oxek | all the online guides cover only removable media or additional drives added to the system |
| 00:51.19 | oxek | none cover encrypting the unencrypted system drive |
| 00:52.30 | ZaZaGX | i asked the same thing last time |
| 00:52.47 | ZaZaGX | i just formatted and enable it on the new install of debian |
| 00:52.52 | whislock | That's the best way to do it. |
| 00:53.23 | ZaZaGX | the easiest too |
| 00:53.35 | oxek | yes, that would be the best way, but if windows can do it, then why couldn't linux (debian) do it? |
| 00:54.07 | somiaj | They might be able to, but often times with encryption, doing things a poor way won't have tools |
| 00:54.24 | somiaj | just like why the installer does a full wipe of the deive before setting up the encryption, it is needed for security |
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| 00:56.30 | oxek | somiaj: I think I get what you mean |
| 00:56.34 | oxek | there's no nice tool for it |
| 00:56.54 | oxek | so the only way to do it would be copy files away to some temporary storage, encrypt the system drive, copy files back |
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| 00:57.20 | oxek | btw doing a full wipe of an empty drive is pointless |
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| 01:11.03 | shibboleth | anyone know if ub will force netplan in upcoming lts? |
| 01:11.09 | shibboleth | whether... |
| 01:11.13 | shibboleth | whatever |
| 01:16.15 | whislock | shibboleth: Ub? |
| 01:16.39 | wxb | ubuntu? |
| 01:16.51 | whislock | Given that this is #debian, I assumed it would be something on-topic. |
| 01:17.11 | wxb | ubster? |
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| 01:18.46 | shibboleth | yeah, well. i'm asking here |
| 01:18.51 | shibboleth | ub chan being coy about it |
| 01:18.56 | shibboleth | as usual |
| 01:19.06 | whislock | shibboleth: This is #debian. Why you'd ask about !Debian here is a mystery. |
| 01:19.26 | wxb | shibboleth, Did you try ##linux? |
| 01:19.38 | shibboleth | yeah. i thought we all secretly did not trust them. they are not replying, what are they forking this time? |
| 01:20.07 | whislock | !offtopic |
| 01:20.07 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 01:22.28 | shibboleth | yes, i'm very much looking forward to get away from ub |
| 01:22.35 | shibboleth | i'm asking a quick question |
| 01:22.40 | shibboleth | you know the answer? |
| 01:23.19 | whislock | shibboleth: Your question is irrelevant to this channel. Please respect everyone else in this channel and take your question to somewhere that it belongs, such as #ubuntu or #ubuntu-social. |
| 01:23.27 | wxb | Nope, but Debian would be a great choice! |
| 01:23.29 | whislock | If anyone here cared about Ubuntu, we'd be there. |
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| 01:24.15 | dvs | just kidding |
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| 01:24.19 | shibboleth | i retract the question |
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| 01:24.25 | shibboleth | they did not want to answer |
| 01:24.28 | shibboleth | that's all |
| 01:24.33 | mutante | shibboleth: try a mailing list |
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| 01:26.23 | amex_dmz | hi folks! |
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| 01:29.29 | dvs | oi |
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| 01:36.42 | TESTED123 | hey. im having problems with grub. From one moment to another grub stoped botting my sdc drive |
| 01:37.03 | TESTED123 | i can see all the partitions of the debian machine only grub doesnt recgnozite |
| 01:37.33 | TESTED123 | when i type HD and then tab , it doesnt appear HD2 as it should |
| 01:37.50 | TESTED123 | fdisk,lsblk,blkid,parted -lm, etc all recnogize sdc |
| 01:39.36 | kadiro | better to use UUID rather than sdx |
| 01:39.46 | TESTED123 | yes i use it |
| 01:39.48 | TESTED123 | :) |
| 01:40.01 | TESTED123 | ah on booting ? |
| 01:40.13 | TESTED123 | instead of HD0 for instance? |
| 01:40.17 | kadiro | In grub to find your sdx |
| 01:40.28 | TESTED123 | isnt that HD0 for instance? |
| 01:40.38 | TESTED123 | i used the tab trick, and ls, but it wont rechnoize the drive |
| 01:41.04 | kadiro | that can change if the bios change booting order from what i understand |
| 01:41.09 | TESTED123 | how can i copy paste the uuid into grub console? |
| 01:41.31 | TESTED123 | i didnt change the bios setup i think |
| 01:41.35 | kadiro | wait, it didn't recognize it in grub? |
| 01:41.42 | TESTED123 | yeah it wont recognize it |
| 01:42.03 | kadiro | did you try to use another usb port? |
| 01:42.04 | TESTED123 | say invalid cylinder ,sectors etc |
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| 01:42.11 | kadiro | ah |
| 01:42.40 | TESTED123 | another usb port ?? i guess i could do that, ive always had problems with one of my usb ports |
| 01:42.43 | kadiro | I think that's a problem of the usb itself not the grub |
| 01:42.54 | TESTED123 | ok then i must reboot right? |
| 01:43.01 | TESTED123 | and change the usb port of the drive right? |
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| 01:43.12 | kadiro | yeah that doesn't hurt :) |
| 01:43.15 | TESTED123 | ok |
| 01:43.18 | TESTED123 | brb |
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| 01:49.31 | TESTED123 | hey..it worked thanks :) how did you know it was the usb thign? |
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| 01:51.22 | kadiro | TESTED123, just a kind of guess :) |
| 01:51.31 | TESTED123 | hehe ok thnks mate |
| 01:51.33 | TESTED123 | :) |
| 01:51.44 | kadiro | You're welcome |
| 01:52.20 | rue_mohr | can I load a kernel module to get /proc/config.gz ? |
| 01:52.42 | petn-randall | rue_mohr: IIRC it's a compile time setting, I might be wrong though. |
| 01:52.59 | rue_mohr | I dont know if it can be done as a module |
| 01:53.08 | rue_mohr | not in the default debain kernel |
| 01:56.28 | rue_mohr | oh, config is left in /boot |
| 01:56.30 | rue_mohr | hah |
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| 02:43.41 | crestfallen | hi just installed buster finally. Had huge troubles figuring out I needed firmware for an advanced video card on the machine. anyway... |
| 02:45.19 | crestfallen | now I need help setting up wired internet. I have ip, mask router and 2 DNS servers written down by our sys admin. how do I - precisely - do it from the cli? |
| 02:45.43 | crestfallen | thanks |
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| 02:48.08 | FukAllSpics | I AM THE KING OF THE WORLD |
| 02:48.10 | FukAllSpics | FUCK ALL SPICS |
| 02:48.30 | FukAllSpics | NIGGERS FUCK KANGAROOS |
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| 02:50.28 | rue_mohr | crestfallen, |
| 02:50.33 | rue_mohr | pump -i eth0 |
| 02:52.09 | crestfallen | rue_mohr: I need to switch back to the machine. I'm on a mac now to use the chatroom. could you just walk me through it beginning with pump -i ethO ? thanks |
| 02:52.40 | rue_mohr | yea, type pump -i eth0 then your on the network |
| 02:53.00 | rue_mohr | :) |
| 02:53.09 | crestfallen | that's an uppercase 'O' right? rue_mohr |
| 02:53.18 | rue_mohr | zero |
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| 02:53.44 | rue_mohr | (but yes, its an uppercase zero) |
| 02:54.11 | crestfallen | lol so when I use that command it will prompt me for all the fields? rue_mohr |
| 02:54.23 | crestfallen | mask etc? |
| 02:54.26 | rue_mohr | no it'll dhcp you to the network |
| 02:55.05 | rue_mohr | cause its the 90's and people use dhcp now |
| 02:55.34 | crestfallen | that would be so sweet if it were true. I hope I didn't screw up anything trying to configure manually. ok please stand by if you're still around in like 10 minutes if I have problems. thanks kindly |
| 02:55.37 | crestfallen | rue_mohr: |
| 02:55.51 | rue_mohr | I'm always |
| 02:55.57 | crestfallen | cool |
| 02:56.03 | rue_mohr | if I'm not here, I'm in #avr and #robotics |
| 02:56.12 | crestfallen | ok |
| 02:56.29 | MyNickSucks | i have a ten foot long dong |
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| 02:56.54 | rue_mohr | I see spam didn't become a thing of the past |
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| 02:57.22 | dvs | !confuse rue_mohr |
| 02:57.22 | dpkg | No, how is their badger yesterday, rue_mohr? Trousers of the Monarchy of Mongolia with extra crabpaste. |
| 02:57.36 | rue_mohr | is this still all comming from that one pissed off guy in charge of .... whatever that thing is goat-something |
| 02:58.32 | rue_mohr | what was his name, mohammed? |
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| 02:58.55 | rue_mohr | ugh, anyhow, you have to give it to him/them for persistance |
| 02:59.00 | petn-randall | rue_mohr: No need to comment on spam. It's best to not give them any attention. |
| 02:59.18 | rue_mohr | its just bots anyhow, they wont get off on attention |
| 03:00.17 | rue_mohr | crc_ccitt_table hmm, must be a kernel option |
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| 03:01.36 | rue_mohr | CONFIG_CRC_CCITT=m |
| 03:01.41 | rue_mohr | huh |
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| 03:05.35 | crestfallen | rue_mohr: command not found |
| 03:05.48 | crestfallen | this is a brand new install |
| 03:06.00 | rue_mohr | hmm |
| 03:06.03 | rue_mohr | awkward |
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| 03:06.08 | rue_mohr | you need network access to install it |
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| 03:06.20 | rue_mohr | ok, what ip / netmask did the admin give you? |
| 03:06.22 | Arrowmaster | very awkward https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=pump&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
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| 03:06.50 | crestfallen | not awkward on my end I really appreciate the help |
| 03:06.57 | TenFootLongDong | my weiner is ten feet long |
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| 03:07.24 | rue_mohr | the only way to solve it is with a 10' bbq |
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| 03:07.34 | rue_mohr | crestfallen, what did the admin give ya? |
| 03:07.54 | crestfallen | you want the ip and mask exactly? |
| 03:08.12 | rue_mohr | hmm, I suppose I dont need it |
| 03:08.19 | rue_mohr | so, run... |
| 03:08.33 | rue_mohr | wait, before I do this manually, anyone know how to use dhclient? |
| 03:08.35 | Arrowmaster | if its a basic install you can edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:08.50 | rue_mohr | or that |
| 03:09.13 | crestfallen | I was in that earlier , the interfaces file. what should be in there exactly? |
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| 03:09.18 | LanDi | https://hastebin.com/oyemolamub.rb |
| 03:09.30 | rue_mohr | crestfallen, |
| 03:09.31 | LanDi | can someone help me with this ^ |
| 03:09.49 | rue_mohr | crestfallen, lets do this route |
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| 03:09.58 | LanDi | I can not get my mysql.service running and I dont know why |
| 03:10.06 | rue_mohr | ipconfig -a |
| 03:10.13 | rue_mohr | there will be two entries |
| 03:10.19 | petn-randall | LanDi: I'd check the mysql logs why the startup is failing. |
| 03:10.33 | rue_mohr | haha |
| 03:10.36 | rue_mohr | ifconfig -a |
| 03:10.48 | petn-randall | windows user detected ;) |
| 03:11.10 | rue_mohr | there will be two entries, lo and something else, hopefully eth0, but maybe soemthing like ataipifatapi0 |
| 03:11.36 | rue_mohr | cause, as soon as the door was opened to change interface names, everyone got stupid |
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| 03:12.03 | rue_mohr | what is the NON lo one called |
| 03:12.05 | crestfallen | ipconfig is deprecated isn't it? |
| 03:12.14 | rue_mohr | I should hope so, use ifconfig |
| 03:12.41 | petn-randall | ipconfig is a windows tool. ifconfig is "deprecated", and the newer tool is `ip`. |
| 03:13.04 | rue_mohr | petn-randall, no, dont tell me they are using a totally different option format too... |
| 03:13.24 | crestfallen | yep, neither ifconfig nor ip has worked. I've been working for hours.. |
| 03:13.25 | rue_mohr | every since they ditched nslookup I cant lookup name records |
| 03:13.36 | petn-randall | hahahaha |
| 03:13.37 | rue_mohr | crestfallen, were you root when you ran it? |
| 03:13.41 | crestfallen | yeah |
| 03:13.53 | rue_mohr | hmm, your missing a few packages |
| 03:14.01 | rue_mohr | did you install from cd? |
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| 03:14.19 | crestfallen | what about firing up wifi from the cli ? |
| 03:14.25 | rue_mohr | no |
| 03:14.28 | rue_mohr | did you install from cd? |
| 03:14.43 | crestfallen | netinst.iso on a usb |
| 03:14.50 | rue_mohr | ok |
| 03:14.53 | rue_mohr | still have it? |
| 03:14.58 | crestfallen | yep |
| 03:15.15 | rue_mohr | erm, just a sec, try dhclient |
| 03:15.20 | rue_mohr | tell me if it knows that one |
| 03:15.39 | crestfallen | I think not. very sorry almost certain I tried to run it |
| 03:15.58 | crestfallen | I'll try again if you could stand by ... |
| 03:16.01 | rue_mohr | interesting |
| 03:16.08 | rue_mohr | ok, lets try this |
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| 03:16.12 | rue_mohr | ls /dev/eth* |
| 03:16.16 | rue_mohr | does it list anything? |
| 03:16.24 | crestfallen | ok give me 7 minutes |
| 03:16.45 | LanDi | petn-randall, there is no logs since it's not even started |
| 03:17.11 | rue_mohr | where... |
| 03:17.36 | rue_mohr | well how the heck does he know what the interface is called if |
| 03:19.15 | petn-randall | LanDi: Which OS and MySQL release is this? |
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| 03:20.49 | crestfallen | rue_mohr: no such file or directory |
| 03:21.04 | rue_mohr | yea, I lost ya, it doesn't do that |
| 03:21.15 | crestfallen | pardon? |
| 03:21.19 | rue_mohr | ok, what do you have in /etc/network/interfaces now? |
| 03:21.30 | crestfallen | 6 minutes.... |
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| 03:22.21 | rue_mohr | should look like auto lo ... auto eth0 |
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| 03:35.01 | crestfallen | rue_mohr: https://termbin.com/xyl4 |
| 03:35.36 | oxek | can someone please report a small bug for me? |
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| 03:36.18 | oxek | `man adjtime` reads "...from hwckock(8) man page." it should say hwclock(8) |
| 03:36.52 | petn-randall | oxek: You can easily report it with `reportbug`. |
| 03:37.06 | oxek | petn-randall: reportbug requires a working email address which I do not have |
| 03:37.31 | crestfallen | plus a bunch of commented line |
| 03:37.32 | crestfallen | s |
| 03:38.00 | rue_mohr | crestfallen, heh |
| 03:38.04 | rue_mohr | its missing one line |
| 03:38.09 | rue_mohr | well |
| 03:38.18 | rue_mohr | change allow-hotplug to auto |
| 03:38.21 | crestfallen | sorry that last line is iface eno1 ... |
| 03:38.27 | petn-randall | oxek: Not really, though in other cases it would make follow-up questions impossible. |
| 03:38.35 | rue_mohr | and reboot :) |
| 03:38.45 | crestfallen | * iface eno1 inet dhcp |
| 03:38.57 | oxek | petn-randall: Can you share a link to a guide on how to use reportbug to submit a bugreport without using an email address? |
| 03:38.59 | crestfallen | ok will do . more drama soon... thanks |
| 03:39.01 | oxek | if that works, then I'll do it |
| 03:39.09 | rue_mohr | crestfallen, change 'allow-hotplug' to 'auto' |
| 03:39.23 | crestfallen | auto eno1 right? |
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| 03:39.33 | rue_mohr | yes |
| 03:39.36 | crestfallen | copy |
| 03:40.01 | petn-randall | oxek: IIRC you can't just add a bogus mail address. It never gets checked. |
| 03:40.07 | petn-randall | *can |
| 03:40.34 | rue_mohr | ok, I can, lets see |
| 03:40.37 | oxek | petn-randall: but reportbug uses sendmail to send the bugreport, no? so it needs smtp and all that stuff |
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| 03:41.03 | petn-randall | oxek: No, it talks straight to the BTS servers. |
| 03:41.21 | petn-randall | (though you can configure it to go through your MTA). |
| 03:41.23 | rue_mohr | petn-randall, I need help here |
| 03:41.25 | somiaj | But if you don't use a real email address, you won't get any updates to the bug. You can manually check for some, but it does make it harder for the matainer to actually reply to the bug and get more info. |
| 03:41.29 | rue_mohr | using repor.... wait a min |
| 03:41.38 | oxek | petn-randall: news to me, I'll give it a try, thanks! |
| 03:41.56 | rue_mohr | ok, thought it wanted to remove my kernel to install reportbug ;) |
| 03:42.29 | petn-randall | oxek: You're welcome! If it fails, let me know and I'll file the bugreport. |
| 03:42.50 | rue_mohr | oxek, hey |
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| 03:43.04 | rue_mohr | you got it? |
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| 03:50.17 | crestfallen | rue_mohr: dang no good. anything else you could suggest? |
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| 03:52.05 | crestfallen | I did an update and a reboot. during the reboot I got a funny message: "A start job is running for Raise Network Interfaces [time counter]" |
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| 03:52.36 | rue_mohr | huh |
| 03:52.46 | rue_mohr | did you change the network adapter after your install? |
| 03:53.32 | crestfallen | uh, I was screwing around with some settings for certain. but it seemed they didn't stick |
| 03:54.00 | rue_mohr | but you didn not change the physical network card since the install |
| 03:54.02 | rue_mohr | right? |
| 03:54.13 | crestfallen | no |
| 03:54.47 | crestfallen | there's a question mark where the wifi icon normally is |
| 03:55.13 | rue_mohr | ok, lets start guessing |
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| 03:56.00 | crestfallen | one other thing, this is a secure university network. the sys admin gave me the ip and mask etc. to be entered manually I think. |
| 03:56.09 | rue_mohr | in /etc/network/interfaces change 'eno1' to 'eth0', if that doesn't work, try 'eno0' |
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| 03:56.25 | rue_mohr | hmm |
| 03:56.36 | rue_mohr | it would be quite odd if they aren't running a dhcp server |
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| 03:57.26 | crestfallen | you know when debian installer asks you to enter the ip etc when you're setting up and selecting partitions, etc |
| 03:57.47 | crestfallen | the initial set up |
| 03:57.57 | rue_mohr | mhm, well it would usualyl save that |
| 03:58.13 | crestfallen | should I try your above suggestions? |
| 03:58.34 | rue_mohr | see, our problem is that you dont ahve net-tools installed |
| 03:58.46 | coruja | crestfallen, you mentioned a wifi icon, which software provides that? |
| 03:58.57 | rue_mohr | yea I dont do gui |
| 03:59.07 | crestfallen | gnome |
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| 03:59.21 | crestfallen | on my home machine I also have buster |
| 03:59.30 | coruja | so probably networkmanager |
| 04:00.00 | crestfallen | so I can't get the uni's wifi from the command line? |
| 04:00.18 | crestfallen | to install whatever I need? |
| 04:00.27 | rue_mohr | wifi from command line is excessive typing |
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| 04:00.58 | coruja | crestfallen, if a gui tool is already running, why not use it? |
| 04:01.27 | crestfallen | what do you mean a gui tool? I mentioned the desktop env. |
| 04:01.33 | crestfallen | gnome |
| 04:01.37 | coruja | and btw, networkmanager also has a cli |
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| 04:02.17 | crestfallen | sorry, don't follow. what should I try next? |
| 04:02.18 | coruja | have you already tried to (right or left) click on that 'wifi icon'? |
| 04:02.56 | crestfallen | no there's a question mark where the wifi icon normally is on a set up (my home's for example) system |
| 04:03.35 | crestfallen | there's nothing where there is normally wifi and wired selections |
| 04:03.47 | crestfallen | in the pull down menus |
| 04:04.15 | coruja | and, just to be sure, you mean really wifi at university and not connecting to an internal network by vpn e.g.? |
| 04:04.52 | crestfallen | yeah we have visitor's wifi and another called AirBears |
| 04:05.04 | coruja | ok |
| 04:07.52 | crestfallen | so to regress that /etc/network/interfaces file is ok with the edit 'auto eno1' right? that won't haunt me later coruja |
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| 04:08.31 | crestfallen | from 'allow-hotplug' eno1' |
| 04:09.43 | coruja | i would rather recommend a gui tool, but if you want to follow the interfaces approach, let those help you who have pushed you so far |
| 04:09.59 | crestfallen | oh boy |
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| 04:10.17 | crestfallen | I have no preference, fire away if you have time |
| 04:11.18 | rue_mohr | I got nowhere |
| 04:11.29 | coruja | in network-manager gui, it would be something like 'new connection' dialog where you can set the type of connection and enter details and credentials if needed |
| 04:11.30 | rue_mohr | none of the stuff I need installed is there |
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| 04:12.32 | crestfallen | rue_mohr: pertaining to what endeavor? |
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| 04:13.23 | crestfallen | coruja: but how do I get that package? |
| 04:13.41 | coruja | the package is called network-manager-gnome |
| 04:14.03 | rue_mohr | he has no network, hows he supposed to get a package for setting up networking? |
| 04:14.11 | rue_mohr | he/she/it |
| 04:14.14 | crestfallen | he |
| 04:14.18 | rue_mohr | sure |
| 04:14.30 | crestfallen | try your suggestions above rue_mohr ? |
| 04:14.43 | rue_mohr | I'm not sure |
| 04:15.02 | rue_mohr | the best last clue I can think of, is that for SOME reason, when it rebooted the card moved from 1 to 0 |
| 04:15.16 | sponix | we having fun ? |
| 04:15.18 | rue_mohr | in which case eno1 should be eno0 |
| 04:15.44 | rue_mohr | but you dont have anything installed to get a list of network devices |
| 04:16.57 | coruja | crestfallen, if you haven't installed without recommends, network-manager-gnome should be installed already (at least it's recommended by task-gnome-desktop) |
| 04:17.33 | sponix | Is everyone in here having network issues... Or just crestfallen ? |
| 04:18.13 | crestfallen | so network-manager-gnome is the command to run? |
| 04:18.35 | crestfallen | if it's there, because I don't think I've tried that yet |
| 04:18.38 | coruja | nm-connection-editor is the dialog i mentioned earlier |
| 04:18.52 | rue_mohr | sponix, my network isn't fast enough |
| 04:19.17 | crestfallen | that's another command to run precisely as you posted it coruja ? |
| 04:19.37 | coruja | nm-connection-editor |
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| 04:20.17 | sponix | rue_mohr: If it functions, and it is stable -- even if slow. you are doing better than most |
| 04:20.46 | crestfallen | ok I'll try all the above including rue_mohr 's tip. *thanks kindly for all the help* if I can't get it this time I'll try tomorrow coruja |
| 04:20.51 | rue_mohr | but I used cat7e cable! |
| 04:21.06 | coruja | crestfallen, good luck |
| 04:21.48 | sponix | crestfallen: a backup and re-install might be in order if you have networking function during the install process itself |
| 04:22.17 | rue_mohr | install net-tools before you reboot! |
| 04:22.37 | sponix | rue_mohr: I _really_ think those net-tools should be in the base lol |
| 04:23.20 | rue_mohr | I was surprised after my last install |
| 04:23.45 | rue_mohr | my post-install adjustment lists grows again |
| 04:23.51 | rue_mohr | and wtf happened to vim!? |
| 04:24.13 | rue_mohr | its like it got zipped back to 2001 |
| 04:24.37 | sponix | At least regular vi is there. If they prune it I'll be like screwed |
| 04:24.38 | rue_mohr | backspace doesn't work, redraw problems, ... |
| 04:25.27 | sponix | I just learned how to finally show an ip with "ip addr" the other day... I was like wtf is ifconfig ? |
| 04:25.45 | rue_mohr | oh no, they went to cisco syntax!?!?!1 |
| 04:25.52 | rue_mohr | kill me now |
| 04:26.22 | sponix | I need an "Old person compatibility mode" or something |
| 04:26.42 | sponix | did you know a "rename" command actually exist now ? |
| 04:26.51 | sponix | At least it does in Linux Mint -- No lies |
| 04:27.09 | rue_mohr | maybe someone should write a perl script to abstract |
| 04:27.23 | sponix | bbiab gotta take the wife to work |
| 04:27.40 | rue_mohr | we can put a package on a rouge server cause debain is too insane about people making official packages |
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| 04:33.44 | oxek | petn-randall: reportbug is so complicated, it wants to include all sorts of config files of my system that I want to keep private. I know there are switches, but verifying it all is so much work. I am reporting a typo in a manpage, none of this should be necessary. |
| 04:34.30 | oxek | can you report it for me please? |
| 04:35.23 | oxek | why can't debian have the standard github (or bugzilla or jira etc.) issues? |
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| 04:39.36 | crestfallen | coruja: rue_mohr well yeah I did get into nm-connection-editor earlier today. I wasn't certain how to set the General settings, but went to IPv4 settings and entered the ip, the netmask, the server (router?), and 2 DNS servers separated by a space. I click save, but strangely when I go back the mask only reads '25' instead of '255.255.255.128' |
| 04:40.02 | crestfallen | I got into the editor not with the cli command but through a gui somehow |
| 04:40.16 | rue_mohr | hmm |
| 04:40.46 | crestfallen | also separated by a space becomes a comma after the save on the DNS servers |
| 04:41.29 | rue_mohr | yea, the command line stuff just isnt' erhe for me to help |
| 04:41.31 | crestfallen | so my General settings I didn't touch |
| 04:42.03 | crestfallen | no well I tried to set it up in the gui |
| 04:42.20 | crestfallen | the netmask field is not sticking |
| 04:42.32 | crestfallen | total clusterF |
| 04:43.19 | rue_mohr | yea, if you had net-tools and pump it would be workable |
| 04:43.25 | sponix | crestfallen: most home networks are 192.168.0/1.X with a netmask of 255.255.255.0 |
| 04:43.38 | crestfallen | this is a uni sponix |
| 04:43.38 | rue_mohr | its a university network |
| 04:43.46 | sponix | Oh |
| 04:43.55 | crestfallen | what to do I'm pretty burnt |
| 04:44.03 | rue_mohr | crestfallen, ok try this |
| 04:44.09 | crestfallen | yay! |
| 04:44.12 | rue_mohr | boot the install drive back up |
| 04:44.21 | crestfallen | ok |
| 04:44.22 | rue_mohr | and when it comes up, press alt-f1 |
| 04:44.30 | rue_mohr | it will give you a command prompt |
| 04:44.40 | crestfallen | comes up? |
| 04:44.42 | rue_mohr | you might have to do it after that bit about the drivers |
| 04:44.50 | rue_mohr | try ifconfig -a |
| 04:44.52 | rue_mohr | and see whats listed |
| 04:45.16 | rue_mohr | we need to know the interface name |
| 04:45.33 | crestfallen | when precisely do I hit alt-f1? |
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| 04:46.18 | rue_mohr | after it starts the first set of install questions |
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| 04:46.26 | rue_mohr | like what keyboard your using |
| 04:46.50 | rue_mohr | you know the part where it downloads and installs the kernel modules? |
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| 04:46.55 | oxek | rue_mohr: terminal is on Alt F2 and Alt F3, installer is on Alt F1, and log on Alt F4 |
| 04:46.55 | rue_mohr | you might need to do it after that |
| 04:47.10 | rue_mohr | crestfallen, you might want to try alt-f2 |
| 04:47.14 | rue_mohr | instead |
| 04:47.19 | rue_mohr | just a hunch... |
| 04:47.36 | crestfallen | ok trying alt F2 now ... |
| 04:47.42 | rue_mohr | no, during the installer |
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| 04:47.53 | rue_mohr | you dont ahve to go thru with an install |
| 04:48.18 | rue_mohr | you just need it to get the installer going so there is a hidden shell you can ask what the flipping network interface is called |
| 04:48.34 | crestfallen | right don't worry I'm on my mac. ok so my installed system will be preserved if I do alt F2 |
| 04:48.50 | crestfallen | right? |
| 04:49.04 | rue_mohr | it would not even modify your drive untill its asking about the hard drive partitions |
| 04:49.08 | oxek | crestfallen rue_mohr: might be better to use the rescue option of the installer so that nothing gets accidentally installed |
| 04:49.18 | rue_mohr | which is waaay deep into the installer |
| 04:49.44 | rue_mohr | oxek, would the rescue have ifconfig ? |
| 04:49.45 | crestfallen | you mean recovery shell oxek ? |
| 04:49.58 | crestfallen | so don't use the recovery shell |
| 04:50.29 | rue_mohr | use either, one of them might have ifconfig |
| 04:50.31 | oxek | rue_mohr: the rescue option has networking, so I'd imagine yes |
| 04:50.40 | sponix | rue_mohr: "ip addr" should list devices the same as ifconfig -a ... thought I just said that earlier ? |
| 04:51.06 | rue_mohr | is ip part of the default install? |
| 04:51.17 | sponix | rue_mohr: Yes |
| 04:51.19 | rue_mohr | oh |
| 04:51.33 | rue_mohr | sponix, help crestfallen find out what his interface names are! |
| 04:51.34 | sponix | Its the "new hotness" |
| 04:52.04 | sponix | rue_mohr: actually if you don't have an issue with my deviant ways -- I'd like to go a different direction entirely |
| 04:52.19 | rue_mohr | wel you go for it |
| 04:52.26 | sponix | crestfallen: you have a working network on your Mac ? |
| 04:52.32 | crestfallen | yeah |
| 04:52.32 | rue_mohr | remember, it takes him 3 minutres to _get_ to the computer he's trying to work on |
| 04:53.06 | sponix | crestfallen: download the image writing tool from etcher.io (the dmg) for your Mac and Install it |
| 04:53.22 | sponix | crestfallen: You Mac has at least 1 real USB port ? |
| 04:53.35 | oxek | wait what's the issue anyway? Netmask of 25 IS 255.255.255.128 |
| 04:54.00 | crestfallen | 25 is an abbreviation ? |
| 04:54.11 | rue_mohr | 25 bits |
| 04:54.18 | oxek | crestfallen: it's a different notation for the same thing |
| 04:54.18 | crestfallen | geez |
| 04:54.19 | rue_mohr | its all 1's from the left |
| 04:54.23 | sponix | crestfallen: /24 = .0 /25 = .128 |
| 04:54.44 | rue_mohr | I thoguht he meant 25.255.255.128 |
| 04:54.48 | sponix | CIDR is the name of the "notation" |
| 04:54.52 | rue_mohr | aka ui error |
| 04:54.57 | oxek | https://www.aelius.com/njh/subnet_sheet.html |
| 04:55.06 | crestfallen | ok so what should I do .. pretty confused |
| 04:56.05 | sponix | crestfallen: Machine you are to run Linux on. Is it ONLY Linux ? |
| 04:56.40 | crestfallen | sponix: yes |
| 04:57.22 | rue_mohr | crestfallen, after all this, install net-tools, ping, pump !!! |
| 04:57.50 | crestfallen | all what? |
| 04:58.10 | rue_mohr | this trouble, after you get the networking going |
| 04:58.30 | crestfallen | let me do the ifconfig -a command |
| 04:58.40 | crestfallen | stand by please |
| 04:58.48 | rue_mohr | you cant, it doesn't have ifconfig |
| 04:58.54 | sponix | hmm, what a trooper :) |
| 04:59.16 | crestfallen | I don't understand |
| 04:59.17 | sponix | crestfallen: You got a USB stick handy ? |
| 04:59.21 | crestfallen | yeah |
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| 04:59.38 | rue_mohr | follow sponixs instructions |
| 05:00.09 | crestfallen | all ears |
| 05:00.12 | sponix | crestfallen: give me your attention. I will get you up and going on Linux with Networking unless your hardware sucks :) |
| 05:00.24 | crestfallen | ok shoot |
| 05:00.27 | rue_mohr | gets popcorn |
| 05:00.32 | sponix | crestfallen: Get that etcher.io USB imaging tool installed on your Mac yet ? |
| 05:00.57 | crestfallen | no, hold on. |
| 05:01.09 | sponix | crestfallen: when you do, pull down this Live USB Installer Image. Burn it to the USB Stick, and boot off of it http://mxrepo.com/Final/MX-19/MX-19_x64.iso ;) |
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| 05:01.41 | *** mode/#debian [-qo *!*@198.98.61.83 eir] by eir |
| 05:03.56 | rue_mohr | anyone know why apt-spy is being removed? |
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| 05:04.51 | blow_me | * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * |
| 05:04.54 | oxek | rue_mohr: because deb.debian.org will always be fastest |
| 05:05.06 | rue_mohr | not if everyone uses it |
| 05:05.20 | rue_mohr | did the fucntionallity move to another package? |
| 05:05.24 | oxek | rue_mohr: it's behind a massive cd, it can handle all debian users |
| 05:05.31 | oxek | s/cd/cdn/ |
| 05:05.59 | rue_mohr | nope, I'm mentally picturing a huge CD now, you blew it |
| 05:06.22 | oxek | rue_mohr: well, you can fit all of debian onto a big multilayer blu-ray |
| 05:06.30 | rue_mohr | its 40 feet wide and the room its spinning in looks like a disco |
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| 05:08.22 | crestfallen | sponix: I downloaded the imaging tool, where is it? what the hell is it called? |
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| 05:10.30 | sponix | crestfallen: http://sponix.tk/Downloads/balenaEtcher-1.5.63.dmg |
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| 05:10.53 | sponix | crestfallen: it should be called that name, and you have to at least double click the dmg for the image to mount, and then run the app |
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| 05:11.42 | sponix | crestfallen: I can make this easy. But probably not Mac user easy... Gonna have to step up your game a lil bit |
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| 05:12.41 | *** mode/#debian [-qo *!*@49.ip-213-32-21.eu eir] by eir |
| 05:13.13 | crestfallen | working its not opening on a double click |
| 05:13.31 | blow_me | hi |
| 05:13.37 | sponix | eir: any chance you could k-line blow_me while you are at it ? |
| 05:13.48 | rue_mohr | blow_me, mohammed! |
| 05:13.51 | blow_me | sponix: eir is a bot |
| 05:13.59 | blow_me | it removes expired bans |
| 05:14.06 | blow_me | it does not ban anyone |
| 05:14.11 | blow_me | rue_mohr: what? |
| 05:14.14 | sponix | blow_me: doesn't change my request at all |
| 05:14.22 | blow_me | sponix: im sure it doesnt |
| 05:14.30 | rue_mohr | your still on a mission to destroy freenode? |
| 05:14.38 | blow_me | but the one you gave it to is unable to fulfill it |
| 05:14.54 | blow_me | rue_mohr: my name is not mohammed and i dont destroy anything |
| 05:15.07 | blow_me | just fuck off you islamic piece of shit |
| 05:15.24 | blow_me | * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * |
| 05:15.46 | rue_mohr | your mohammed from goatcx ? |
| 05:16.11 | blow_me | no |
| 05:16.16 | rue_mohr | the one slamming freenode with all the religious spam |
| 05:16.21 | blow_me | uhm no |
| 05:16.23 | crestfallen | sponix that app doesn't open on the double click |
| 05:16.26 | rue_mohr | casue you have some mission |
| 05:16.40 | oxek | sponix rue_mohr crestfallen do you all realize that editing /etc/network/interfaces will prevent network manager from working? |
| 05:16.50 | oxek | that file should only contain the loopback interface |
| 05:16.52 | blow_me | i was spamming against islam the other day but i never been on goatcx whatever that is |
| 05:17.19 | rue_mohr | interesting denial tactic |
| 05:17.45 | rue_mohr | so you wrote some of the freenode code eh? |
| 05:17.53 | crestfallen | oxek what should it look like I have this : https://termbin.com/xyl4 |
| 05:18.11 | blow_me | no? |
| 05:18.20 | blow_me | where are you getting these theories? |
| 05:18.20 | sponix | crestfallen: So when you open that image, and double click on the app it does "nothing" at all ? |
| 05:18.41 | rue_mohr | that banner you posted there kinda says it all |
| 05:18.42 | crestfallen | no a typo there last line is iface eno1 inet dhcp oxek |
| 05:18.42 | blow_me | it sounds like you are pulling them out of your fat islamic ass |
| 05:18.49 | oxek | crestfallen: should look like this https://paste.debian.net/1115349/ |
| 05:19.02 | oxek | then reboot and configure network using the graphical tool |
| 05:19.16 | blow_me | rue_mohr: can't you see I am trying to spam here? |
| 05:19.40 | blow_me | * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * |
| 05:19.40 | rue_mohr | I been watching you spam since 2002 |
| 05:19.53 | blow_me | well i started irc like maybe five years ago |
| 05:19.57 | rue_mohr | 2002? ever since, whats-his-name died |
| 05:20.04 | oxek | rue_mohr: is that reply to me? |
| 05:20.12 | crestfallen | oxek: ok I'll fix that |
| 05:20.19 | blow_me | and I was starting kindergarten around 2002 so i think you are mistaken |
| 05:20.28 | rue_mohr | oxek, no, I'm finally talking to the guy who been spamming freenode for 17 years |
| 05:20.43 | crestfallen | yeah sponix I can't get it to open in the finder |
| 05:20.48 | oxek | rue_mohr: hmm, must be on my ignore list then |
| 05:20.54 | rue_mohr | will be yea |
| 05:21.11 | oxek | can you post the name so that I check? |
| 05:21.13 | sponix | crestfallen: can you take a screen shot of where you are in the finder, and post it to like imgur.com and drop the link here ? |
| 05:21.20 | rue_mohr | blow_me |
| 05:21.35 | blow_me | the only troll i heard of that might be close to that ancient is cholby. he was active not too long ago but IDK if he still is |
| 05:21.37 | rue_mohr | (its mohammed, who has been attacking freenode since 2002) |
| 05:21.55 | oxek | rue_mohr: yes, on my ignore list. For a moment I thought you asked me to blow you... |
| 05:22.09 | rue_mohr | cause when whats-his-name died, he thinks he should have inherrited freenode |
| 05:22.31 | rue_mohr | oxek, hey, your a free person, do what you want. |
| 05:22.41 | blow_me | yeah im 22 years old you faggot |
| 05:23.03 | blow_me | so i srsly doubt i could have had access to this site 17 years ago |
| 05:23.21 | blow_me | in freaking kindergarten |
| 05:23.24 | sponix | blow_me: shouldn't you be trolling on Discord right now then ? Maybe playing some Fork Knife ? |
| 05:23.29 | crestfallen | sponix it is in the finder as balenaEtcher-1.5.63.dmg |
| 05:23.32 | rue_mohr | so you must know that other guy |
| 05:23.42 | blow_me | sponix: i dont have discord |
| 05:23.42 | crestfallen | but when I double click on it there is nothing |
| 05:24.04 | sponix | crestfallen: look under your "volumes" it should make what appears to be a "New Drive" |
| 05:24.07 | blow_me | discord is for retarded gamers |
| 05:24.15 | jmcnaught | !ops blow_me |
| 05:24.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: jmcnaught complains about a problem (see above) |
| 05:24.20 | sponix | blow_me: that is why I recommended it to you :) |
| 05:24.35 | blow_me | oh thanks jmcnaught i forgot about !ops |
| 05:24.37 | blow_me | !ops |
| 05:24.37 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 05:24.38 | sponix | jmcnaught: thanks, I never can remember that trigger |
| 05:24.40 | blow_me | !ops penis |
| 05:24.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: blow_me complains about a problem (see above) |
| 05:24.46 | blow_me | !ops fuck |
| 05:24.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: blow_me complains about a problem (see above) |
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| 05:25.05 | rue_mohr | blow_me, so what brings you here today spamming? is it making you feel like a big boy? |
| 05:25.11 | blow_me | !ops weiner shit penis cock dong |
| 05:25.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: blow_me complains about a problem (see above) |
| 05:25.16 | Ede|Popede | !games |
| 05:25.16 | dpkg | [games] Some cool multiplayer games: koth, netris, <quake>, xevil, bzflag, <netrek>, the only piece of software that is allowed to be non-free, because they are more like an art form than a program, #gametome (irc.freenode.net) for newer games. http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LinuxGames, http://www.mtp-target.org, jumpnbump, supertux, gtetrinet and pathogen, <nethack>, freeciv, dopewars, <uqm>, <scummvm>, http://icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php |
| 05:25.18 | jmcnaught | don't respond to them⦠|
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| 05:25.31 | Ede|Popede | just to fill that gap :P |
| 05:25.44 | sponix | crestfallen: Anything ? |
| 05:25.49 | blow_me | !ops peeeeenis |
| 05:25.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: blow_me complains about a problem (see above) |
| 05:26.03 | oxek | what is going on with dpkg?? |
| 05:26.09 | crestfallen | no where is volumes? |
| 05:26.13 | crestfallen | sponix: |
| 05:26.25 | rue_mohr | well, if somone doesn't ban blowme your issue will continue |
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| 05:26.30 | rue_mohr | kickban |
| 05:26.31 | sponix | crestfallen: holy shit.. I wish I still had my "Mac for Dummies" book handy |
| 05:27.16 | crestfallen | dude I'm smoked. I broke my toe 2 days ago. sponix |
| 05:27.29 | crestfallen | I've been working on this install for 10 hours |
| 05:28.07 | sponix | crestfallen: do you know how to run a "terminal" in Mac OS ? |
| 05:28.19 | crestfallen | sure |
| 05:28.45 | sponix | crestfallen: Okay, did you download the ISO from the Link I gave a bit ago ? |
| 05:28.56 | crestfallen | yeah |
| 05:29.03 | Ede|Popede | c2.com still has problems, if it's not gone forever :/ |
| 05:29.37 | crestfallen | yeah it shows in Downloads in the term sponix |
| 05:29.41 | sponix | crestfallen: well "cd /place/it/is/stored/on/Mac" |
| 05:29.42 | blow_me | MY FARTS is where we get the GAS for Auschwitz |
| 05:29.50 | sponix | crestfallen: so likely "cd Downloads" |
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| 05:30.19 | crestfallen | yeah I'm there |
| 05:30.35 | crestfallen | it's a nice name btw |
| 05:31.17 | crestfallen | what's the command to open it? |
| 05:31.22 | crestfallen | sponix |
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| 05:31.45 | OneNut | I downloaded the i386 and the 64 bit testing; They both say "Ne Kernels modules were found, ~~~~~ The install will probably faile " so what is up with the very first message? Is there a fix? |
| 05:33.18 | sponix | crestfallen: sudo dd if=./MX-19_x64.iso of=/dev/USBStickName bs=8m |
| 05:33.35 | sponix | crestfallen: you might need to do "df -h" or "mount" to see the name of the USB Stick in the drive |
| 05:34.04 | sponix | crestfallen: if you aren't sure.. Do NOT run that command though |
| 05:34.38 | sponix | crestfallen: cause it can just as easily wipe your whole Mac OS and leave you with a live MX Linux session that might not even boot on it :) |
| 05:35.06 | sponix | crestfallen: Actually to check the device name of it, you can use the Mac "Disk Util" |
| 05:35.45 | OneNut | Why is linux so risky for users? It is the users that have money, ask bill gates. |
| 05:36.00 | crestfallen | $ mount gave me ' /dev/disk0s2 on / (hfs, local, journaled) ' as the first entry. I think that's the thumbdrive sponix |
| 05:36.04 | OneNut | Fix the install script please |
| 05:36.26 | sponix | crestfallen: do me a favor and check with the Mac Disk Utility (GUI) just to be sure |
| 05:37.00 | sponix | OneNut: if you don't want/expect broken shit -- get off of testing lol |
| 05:37.09 | Ede|Popede | OneNut: testing isn't really meant for "users" |
| 05:37.25 | crestfallen | oh man, very sorry sponix. I'm nearly in tears. I'll get help from my sys admin. thanks so much |
| 05:37.57 | crestfallen | with this insane person on the channel and all |
| 05:38.06 | crestfallen | ok? |
| 05:38.12 | sponix | crestfallen: you are fine |
| 05:38.26 | sponix | crestfallen: and if you want to silence the nonsense just type /ignore blow_me |
| 05:38.57 | crestfallen | oh good I thought he had bypassed an ignore ! |
| 05:39.50 | OneNut | anyway, what is up with the message |
| 05:40.36 | OneNut | LOL |
| 05:41.05 | blow_me | OneNut: are you a retarded butt brain? |
| 05:41.07 | OneNut | I just downloaded 3 dvd's, and your not going to help me |
| 05:41.11 | blow_me | once upon a time i farted |
| 05:41.21 | blow_me | and gas came out |
| 05:41.32 | blow_me | i sold it to the germans |
| 05:41.43 | blow_me | and it is the auschwitz gas |
| 05:41.46 | sponix | OneNut: my recommendation is to pull down the Debian 10 netinstall. Put that on a USB Stick, and see if things go better for ya :) |
| 05:41.48 | blow_me | my farts are that deadly |
| 05:42.03 | blow_me | OneNut: hello? |
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| 05:44.16 | sponix | crestfallen: I will have some free time tomorrow likely. And I can also see about putting Mac OS in a virtual machine to help with instructions if needed |
| 05:44.27 | sponix | crestfallen: What made you want to do Linux ? |
| 05:44.31 | blow_me | !ops sponix is sexually harassing me |
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| 05:45.04 | crestfallen | I have it at home and never had a problem upgrading to buster from stretch sponix |
| 05:46.10 | sponix | crestfallen: you don't happen to have "TeamViewer" on that Mac do you ? |
| 05:48.32 | crestfallen | not sure sponix but check this out I got the app to attach https://termbin.com/j82t |
| 05:49.59 | crestfallen | copying to applications .... |
| 05:49.59 | sponix | crestfallen: progress, but that is what should have already happened when you double clicked it :) |
| 05:50.27 | sponix | Mac OS might have some new security settings preventing Internet downloaded DMG files from mounting easily ? |
| 05:50.31 | crestfallen | yeah I used hdiutil as you can see |
| 05:50.38 | sponix | whatever works |
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| 05:51.12 | sponix | Seems VMWare Workstation dropped support for Mac OS .. So I'm a bit screwed |
| 05:51.43 | crestfallen | anyway I gotta go home on uber. thanks a million sponix what time you around tomm? |
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| 05:52.06 | sponix | well I'm in Kansas so it is 23:50 here right now |
| 05:52.24 | sponix | I likely will not be on until around 10:00 or a lil after |
| 05:52.35 | sponix | depending on how stoned I get here in a few minutes |
| 05:52.45 | crestfallen | 10pm Kansas time? |
| 05:53.07 | sponix | 10:00 is 10 -AM Kasas Time |
| 05:53.30 | sponix | But Yeah.. I'll be on most of the afternoon/night |
| 05:53.30 | crestfallen | ok gotta go thanks |
| 05:53.40 | crestfallen | sweet peace out |
| 05:54.40 | blow_me | hail hitler |
| 05:54.47 | blow_me | * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * |
| 05:55.14 | CodeLyoko | sponix: due to catalina dropping support for 32-bit app i had to switch back to linux |
| 05:55.45 | CodeLyoko | I really did like MacOS but dropping 32-bit entirely was the breaking point for me |
| 05:58.16 | sponix | CodeLyoko: Linux works well for everything I do. And I believe in using whatever works best for the workload |
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| 05:58.44 | sponix | If most of my apps ran better on Mac or Windows 10 ... I'd do that |
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| 06:06.06 | annadane | ubuntu dropped 32 bit as well AFAIK |
| 06:06.10 | annadane | nice to know debian still supports it |
| 06:08.04 | CodeLyoko | annadane: they where going too but kept certain libriarys for games and other software, see https://ubuntu.com/blog/statement-on-32-bit-i386-packages-for-ubuntu-19-10-and-20-04-lts |
| 06:08.20 | sponix | annadane: Nope, that was just someone having a bad day. They changed their mind quickly |
| 06:08.43 | annadane | still though, it's nice how "upstream" debian is |
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| 06:09.24 | CodeLyoko | as of i think 16 though they no longer offer 32-bit ISO's though |
| 06:09.27 | sponix | quit it.. You are gonna make me feel bad for not running Debian lol |
| 06:09.37 | annadane | i want to! |
| 06:09.39 | annadane | shame!!!! |
| 06:10.58 | sponix | MX Linux is close enough to real Debian for me |
| 06:11.15 | sponix | And I do have some regular Debian -- but in Virtual Machines ;) |
| 06:11.41 | CodeLyoko | I'm only running Ubuntu because it works OOTB with my MBP wifi card :P |
| 06:12.51 | sponix | CodeLyoko: should check with a live stick of MX Linux, or even the Debian non-free |
| 06:13.34 | sponix | A lot of the firmware that Ubuntu ships with Debian only has in the non-free section because well, it is proprietary blobs needed |
| 06:14.11 | sponix | CodeLyoko: I'm not tossing any Shade.. I've been doing Linux Mint for a LONG Time |
| 06:14.26 | CodeLyoko | I've been all over |
| 06:14.38 | CodeLyoko | Ubuntu, Debian, Arch, Fedora |
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| 06:17.14 | tuxic | hello guys |
| 06:17.17 | sponix | If I had more time I'd be on Arch |
| 06:17.25 | grisher | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.30 | grisher | no way they'd be that stupid |
| 06:17.44 | grisher | means steam wouldn't even run on it |
| 06:18.00 | sponix | grisher: there was a chatter of it, but in less than 24 hours they wised up |
| 06:18.08 | tuxic | can I connect to an openvpn server in a virtual machine on the same network?? |
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| 06:18.27 | grisher | yeah i know, as soon as i saw that news i knew they'd back peddle |
| 06:18.33 | grisher | that'd be way too dumb |
| 06:18.46 | sponix | tuxic: can you ? |
| 06:18.59 | tuxic | YEA I'm asking :D |
| 06:19.01 | tuxic | Its a question |
| 06:19.05 | grisher | tuxic: why wouldn't you be able to? |
| 06:19.09 | annadane | i think no one has to choose just one, i can see using debian for a server, mint for a desktop, arch for a programming workstation, etc etc... |
| 06:19.12 | sponix | grisher: I think a dev or two must have gotten stoned, and hit a blog or something |
| 06:19.41 | grisher | i use debian for a server, debian for a desktop, debian for a programming workstation... |
| 06:19.55 | tuxic | VPNS advertises that it hides your real IP which is fake in my opinion |
| 06:19.58 | annadane | same, but i'm just saying |
| 06:20.02 | tuxic | I just want to encrypt my traffic |
| 06:20.04 | sponix | grisher: good choice :) |
| 06:20.37 | sponix | tuxic: then use a VPN :) |
| 06:20.43 | grisher | lol yeah, def sounds like a stoner moment |
| 06:20.53 | annadane | for me debian does everything i want |
| 06:21.24 | grisher | the difference in my OS's is what spin i use |
| 06:21.52 | grisher | my laptop is sid, desktop is testing, server is stable |
| 06:21.54 | tuxic | guys should I run my web servers ( nginx reverse proxy ) directly on my desktop debian or should I isolate them inside a virtual machine or a container ?? |
| 06:22.12 | sponix | tuxic: If you question was simply "is it possible to use a VPN from inside a virtual machine" .. My answer is - I have done it before |
| 06:22.50 | tuxic | sponix: I tried to run openvpn from LXC it didn't let me connect |
| 06:23.09 | sponix | tuxic: LXC is a container - not a virtual machine :) |
| 06:23.14 | tuxic | yea ! |
| 06:23.15 | tuxic | :D |
| 06:23.16 | grisher | that's because LXC doesn't suppport tun/tap because it's not a VM |
| 06:23.56 | tuxic | grisher: I didn't know this part . I'm a noob |
| 06:23.56 | sponix | tuxic: guess it depends on what your feel comfortable with |
| 06:24.11 | grisher | it's cool, now you know |
| 06:24.21 | CodeLyoko | i've never actualy used base debian extensivly, only for a few days. I've only used its derivatives for long periods of time |
| 06:24.41 | sponix | I run most of my stuff off my Host OS with just apache2+php ... But I do host a torrent seedbox for a friend inside a Virtual Machine also |
| 06:25.18 | grisher | my server actually runs proxmox |
| 06:25.24 | sponix | For hosting him, a VM makes more sense -- so he can't jack up my Host OS by accident |
| 06:25.30 | grisher | so everything is in VMs or containers |
| 06:26.13 | sponix | grisher: I likely need to look into that sometime. Is it free, and based around kvm/qemu or what ? |
| 06:26.23 | tuxic | thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge guys |
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| 06:27.22 | sponix | tuxic: no problem.. Only been doing this stuff for 30 years+ lol |
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| 06:28.02 | grisher | sponix: it's based on debian with kvm/qemu, yeah |
| 06:28.08 | grisher | it's free but has a nag window |
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| 06:28.23 | sponix | tuxic: If your hardware is up to snuff for virtual machines. I recommend doing a few of them, if anything just to learn on.. So you can get over the fear of breaking stuff |
| 06:28.26 | tuxic | I just checked it out . It looks like virt-manager |
| 06:29.02 | tuxic | sponix: I'm familiar with virt-manager and KVM |
| 06:29.19 | sponix | tuxic: If qemu/kvm/virt-manager gives you issues, most get their feet wet with "VirtualBox" ... it isn't as good/light/powerful -- but is super easy :) |
| 06:29.50 | tuxic | sponix: Thank you for your recommendation ! |
| 06:29.50 | sponix | grisher: how much do you need to donate to the cause to rid the nag ? |
| 06:30.08 | binaryhermit | I will say, given some of the fairly obscure architectures Debian supports, x86 is probably around for a while |
| 06:30.55 | sponix | binaryhermit: Yeah in that regard Debian is the "NetBSD" of the Linux world lol |
| 06:31.09 | grisher | sponix: it's a subscription model |
| 06:31.19 | grisher | but there's scripts you can use to remove the nag |
| 06:31.24 | binaryhermit | although MIPS was big in some circles back in the day |
| 06:31.36 | sponix | grisher: hmm, Damn.. I'd rather it be a one and done ordeal |
| 06:31.41 | grisher | just don't be a dick and use it comercially |
| 06:31.42 | binaryhermit | the Nintendo 64 and first two gens of Playstations were MIPS? |
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| 06:32.07 | binaryhermit | And I think silicon graphics workstations were MIPS??? |
| 06:32.12 | binaryhermit | anyway, dropping it |
| 06:32.21 | grisher | yeah same, but as long as you're just using it personal it's fine to get rid of the nag imo |
| 06:32.31 | grisher | for personal use* |
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| 06:33.28 | jvava | hi, I don't know how to disable screensaver |
| 06:33.42 | annadane | jvava, which desktop? |
| 06:33.43 | grisher | it def sucks tho, i'd be happy to chuck 'em like $80 to get rid of it for non-commercial reasons |
| 06:33.45 | tuxic | checkout power management |
| 06:33.50 | sponix | getting a bit late. I had better take my night meds and start getting ready to crash out |
| 06:33.51 | jvava | annadane, it is buster debian |
| 06:34.21 | tuxic | jvava: It might be in your power / power management options |
| 06:34.24 | grisher | jvava: what desktop environment though? |
| 06:34.24 | annadane | jvava, i mean, which graphical desktop are you using? did you just select the default? |
| 06:34.36 | grisher | gnome, xfce, kde, etc? |
| 06:34.36 | sponix | grisher: got a friend that is always raving about "Qubes" |
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| 06:34.44 | jvava | gnome, all |
| 06:34.53 | grisher | QubesOS is a cool concept but it's annoying to use daily |
| 06:35.00 | tuxic | sponix: you need 30 cores and 100GB RAM to run qubes |
| 06:35.04 | tuxic | lol |
| 06:35.11 | binaryhermit | I suggest you gift that friend a tinfoil hat to that friend? |
| 06:35.18 | binaryhermit | qubes is what I think it is, right? |
| 06:35.21 | jvava | annadane, gnome3 |
| 06:35.28 | sponix | grisher: its base is a stripped down RH/Fedora or something though. So I can't bring myself to even try it out |
| 06:35.33 | annadane | https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/disable-the-screensaver-in-gnome-shell/ apparently the way to do it is by installing caffeine |
| 06:35.34 | grisher | https://www.qubes-os.org |
| 06:35.35 | grisher | it's that |
| 06:35.47 | tuxic | gnome3 you need Caffiene extension I think |
| 06:35.49 | grisher | sponix: eh, i actually quite like fedora |
| 06:35.56 | annadane | which... thanks, GNOME. good to see how... user friendly you are... |
| 06:36.10 | jvava | thank you, annadane |
| 06:36.21 | jvava | thank you, all |
| 06:36.26 | sponix | You need an extension just to "disable" the screen saver ? |
| 06:36.30 | annadane | apparently. |
| 06:36.32 | grisher | fedora is useful if you want to persue a linux career |
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| 06:36.35 | sponix | Wow Gnome is just starting to suck more and more |
| 06:36.37 | grisher | because red hat is based on fedora |
| 06:36.40 | tuxic | LOL |
| 06:36.50 | annadane | i've lobbied for a while for debian to just use xfce by default instead of gnome |
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| 06:37.04 | grisher | nah |
| 06:37.16 | grisher | debian should use i3 as default |
| 06:37.17 | grisher | ;] |
| 06:37.24 | annadane | yeah that'd go over well |
| 06:37.28 | annadane | "HELP HOW DO I DO THINGS" |
| 06:37.28 | sponix | grisher: spare me the lectures. I'll take my .deb's - keep Linux as my hobby. And work my stupid 9-5 data entry job to pay the bills |
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| 06:37.55 | grisher | annadane: bold of you to assume they could open the browser/irc client to even ask :P |
| 06:38.11 | sponix | grisher: Plenty of spots for me to go back to "Windows Server Admin" also -- No thanks |
| 06:38.32 | grisher | hey man, do what you want |
| 06:38.45 | grisher | i'm just saying fedora is a good OS |
| 06:38.54 | sponix | lol |
| 06:39.12 | sponix | Fedora is an experiment at best |
| 06:39.16 | grisher | i think distro elitism is boring |
| 06:40.09 | grisher | i mean, an OS that practically runs the internet based on fedora |
| 06:40.17 | grisher | so it's more than just an experiment |
| 06:40.34 | tuxic | RHEL and centos !== fedora |
| 06:40.41 | tuxic | huge difference :D |
| 06:40.55 | grisher | dude, RHEL is literally based off fedora |
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| 06:41.38 | grisher | RHEL 8 is Fedora 28 |
| 06:41.57 | sponix | sure, after the fedora beta testers have been at it reporting and fixing the bugs for 6 months to a year -- It enters RH :) |
| 06:42.07 | tuxic | RHEL is running very old stable packages tho |
| 06:42.36 | grisher | it's not 6 months - a year |
| 06:42.43 | grisher | it's a lot longer than that, lol |
| 06:42.56 | sponix | I didn't say Fedora was useless, just that its an experiment :) |
| 06:43.09 | grisher | i'm not sure how |
| 06:44.09 | sponix | Wayland for just one example -- or btrfs ... both far from ready for real use -- both introduced in Fedora to play with |
| 06:44.59 | grisher | if you use gnome, yeah |
| 06:45.12 | grisher | btrfs is optional |
| 06:45.42 | sponix | it was either Fedora or OpenSuse Tumbleweed that had it as the default for a bit |
| 06:46.02 | sponix | and Gnome is the default for Fedora to my knowledge, did that change ? |
| 06:46.32 | grisher | fedora has btrfs, yeah. but it's not default |
| 06:46.33 | sponix | If you want to run your Mission critical stuff on Fedora -- be my guest, and more power to ya |
| 06:46.38 | grisher | also, btrfs runs pretty well imo |
| 06:47.02 | annadane | fedora had systemd (naturally) when it first came out and people had problems with it... it's nice to know that you can be on debian and not necessarily be exposed to the shiny new things that break everything |
| 06:47.19 | annadane | debian got systemd too but only after it'd been out for a while which probably mitigated some of the problems |
| 06:47.22 | grisher | nah, gnome is still default but there are plenty of spins |
| 06:47.31 | sponix | Wayland does well too -- for like all 5 apps :) |
| 06:47.49 | annadane | yeah that's the thing. it'll be better in bullseye |
| 06:48.13 | grisher | eh, wayland has xwayland which helps |
| 06:48.34 | grisher | but as if i'd even use gnome anyway, terrible desktop |
| 06:48.42 | sponix | annadane: I understand why there is testing/unstable/stable branches. And again, said Fedora does have its place.. But I just keep things in perspective |
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| 06:50.16 | sponix | annadane: yeah, systemd has a LOT of moving parts, I'm sure that took a while to iron out. Aside from being a pain to learn to add services to it, I've not had systemd get in my way other than that resolve nonsense (I disable that) |
| 06:50.29 | grisher | i dunno, my old work used a lot of fedora machines for their artists and it worked rather well |
| 06:50.43 | grisher | (visual production company) |
| 06:51.23 | sponix | Davinci Resolve by chance ? |
| 06:51.39 | grisher | nah |
| 06:51.56 | grisher | big company tho, they've worked on a lot of the marvel films and what not |
| 06:52.01 | sponix | well it is an easy install on RH, and a pain in the ass on everything else |
| 06:53.55 | grisher | yeah DaVinci Resolve was on the RH boxes |
| 06:54.03 | grisher | not the fedora ones |
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| 07:24.29 | kevoroid | hey, since I upgraded to 10 stable and also upgraded my broadcom-sta drivers (i had to!), im experiencing some random freezes |
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| 08:36.45 | turds | poop crap turd shit |
| 08:41.35 | turds | X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H* |
| 08:41.39 | turds | vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina |
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| 08:48.31 | ratrace | !ops |
| 08:48.31 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 08:49.24 | turds | !ops ratrace is sexually harassing me |
| 08:49.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: turds complains about a problem (see above) |
| 08:49.34 | ratrace | oh cool. |
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| 08:49.49 | turds | it pings all the ops for you |
| 08:50.18 | turds | because if you pinged that many people yourself then Sigyn would issue a network wide ban |
| 08:50.20 | ratrace | what's with the eicar string, I'm really curious. |
| 08:50.33 | turds | ratrace: it is a standard antivirus test string |
| 08:50.40 | ratrace | I know but what were you expecting to happen. |
| 08:50.44 | turds | and if it ends up in your IRC log file |
| 08:50.54 | turds | fun things happen to some antivirus programs |
| 08:51.01 | turds | because your log file is a test virus |
| 08:51.11 | turds | many clients keep logs in a plain text file |
| 08:51.18 | turds | which would then contain that string |
| 08:51.23 | turds | its very funny |
| 08:51.27 | turds | a classic irc crank |
| 08:51.42 | turds | also a good way to get a kline |
| 08:51.45 | ratrace | but don't AVs recognize it as a test sequence? |
| 08:51.55 | turds | yeah it would say test |
| 08:52.07 | turds | still a hassle to go grab your logs from quarantine and remove it |
| 08:52.16 | turds | there IS another string |
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| 08:52.40 | turds | one that is flagged as a virus due to being a hidden reference to a page that USED to have malicious scripts |
| 08:52.48 | turds | its a snippet of HTML |
| 08:53.18 | turds | and Windows Defender still (after nearly a decade) thinks it is bad, and not just in the context of .html files |
| 08:53.33 | turds | so it does the same thing except the warning looks real |
| 08:53.52 | ratrace | so basically... you're pentestrolling by showing admins how poorly their input sanitizers are set up through annoyance. |
| 08:54.05 | turds | but freenode staff programmed Sigyn (a anti spam bot present on many big channels including this) to k-line anyone who says it |
| 08:54.15 | turds | so I switched to using eicar on those chans |
| 08:54.22 | ratrace | sounds legit. |
| 08:54.37 | ratrace | hey, can you kick out chinese users with that string that triggers the great firewall? :) |
| 08:54.48 | turds | idk what string that is? |
| 08:54.51 | ratrace | used to be "fun" back in the day |
| 08:55.10 | ratrace | something about the tiananmen square but written in chinese |
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| 08:55.31 | turds | never heard of it..... but i assume SSL makes that moot these days |
| 08:55.53 | ratrace | unless the great firewall mitms them :) |
| 08:55.55 | ratrace | okay, enough ot from me lest I get fed a kickbun for enabling you :) cheers. |
| 08:56.11 | turds | lol |
| 08:56.15 | turds | cya later |
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| 09:03.08 | Ede|Popede | Windows Defender. must be in non-free, couldn't find it in main at least. |
| 09:06.16 | ratrace | it's managed by virtualbox package manager |
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| 09:07.03 | ratrace | also I'm not convinced one bit that AVs would quarantine files with eicar. if they do, they're dumber than I thought. |
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| 09:08.28 | annadane | linux is the windows defender ... |
| 09:08.37 | ratrace | touché |
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| 09:42.14 | FightingFalcon | How come apt-get update and then upgrade doesnt upgrade php 7.2 to 7.3 ? |
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| 09:43.22 | rudi_s | FightingFalcon: Can't find php7.2 in Debian, where did you get it? |
| 09:44.32 | FightingFalcon | i dunno |
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| 09:44.51 | rudi_s | apt-cache policy php7.2 |
| 09:45.51 | FightingFalcon | 500 https://packages.sury.org/php stretch/main amd64 Packages |
| 09:47.24 | nkuttler | FightingFalcon: that's not debian |
| 09:48.52 | Ede|Popede | !sury |
| 09:48.53 | dpkg | Short instructions for sury's php deb builds can be found at https://packages.sury.org/php/README.txt |
| 09:49.15 | mtcdood | I have a program that I can't build because it believes pkg-config can't find libxml-2.0, but `pkg-config --list-all` clearly shows it is present |
| 09:49.17 | Ede|Popede | afaik this is an option for people in need of newer versions |
| 09:49.22 | mtcdood | what can I do? |
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| 09:52.17 | FightingFalcon | nkuttler thanks |
| 09:53.21 | valdyn | mtcdood: pkg-config does not know that debian splits out the -dev part of packages |
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| 09:53.56 | mtcdood | possibly, but I also found out the issue had nothing to do with libxml2 |
| 09:54.23 | mtcdood | the build log showed it actually failed later when trying to find an unrelated library and for some reason wasn't giving helpful console output |
| 09:55.02 | FightingFalcon | nkuttler i exactly did everything in the instructions but it didnt update anything |
| 09:57.05 | nkuttler | ,v php7.3 |
| 09:57.06 | judd | Package: php7.3 on amd64 -- buster: 7.3.4-2; bullseye: 7.3.10-1; sid: 7.3.10-1; buster-proposed-updates: 7.3.11-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 7.3.11-1~deb10u1 |
| 09:57.48 | FightingFalcon | i still have 7.2 |
| 09:57.52 | nkuttler | FightingFalcon: 7.3 is in debian, you should probably use debian packages. if you use third party packages you'll have to ask whoever builds them for support |
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| 09:58.09 | nkuttler | well in buster it's just apt-get install php7.3 |
| 09:58.16 | FightingFalcon | oh |
| 09:58.19 | valdyn | ,v php |
| 09:58.20 | judd | Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; bullseye: 2:7.3+69; buster: 2:7.3+69; sid: 2:7.3+69 |
| 09:58.23 | FightingFalcon | apt-get does not upgrade 7.2 to 7.3 ? |
| 09:58.35 | valdyn | FightingFalcon: just install 'php' |
| 09:58.37 | nkuttler | FightingFalcon: you don't have a debian php7.2 |
| 09:58.44 | FightingFalcon | what? |
| 09:58.56 | ratrace | FightingFalcon: it can't, the packages are separate. apt has no idea that one is the newer version of the other |
| 09:59.18 | nkuttler | FightingFalcon: also if you installed a specific version like in a "php7.2" package, no, debian wouldn't upgrade that |
| 09:59.29 | FightingFalcon | so if i type apt-get install php7.3 and 7.2 will be automatically removed? |
| 09:59.46 | Mathisen | nope |
| 09:59.55 | FightingFalcon | SO WHAT SHOULD i do |
| 09:59.59 | Ede|Popede | from php (without any 7.0, 7.1, 7.2 or 7.3): "This package is a dependency package, which depends on Debian's default PHP version" |
| 10:00.14 | ratrace | FightingFalcon: install php7.3, uninstall whatever version you currently have |
| 10:00.22 | nkuttler | FightingFalcon: what is your goal? |
| 10:00.23 | ratrace | also take care of updating config files. |
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| 10:00.39 | valdyn | ratrace: now thats the hardest path really |
| 10:01.05 | FightingFalcon | nkuttler, i have 7.2 in my debian 9 and i want to upgrade it TO 7.3 |
| 10:01.08 | ratrace | valdyn: shouldn't be as they're versioned in separate dirs. copying php.ini and fpm pools (if any) usually suffices |
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| 10:01.43 | Ede|Popede | FightingFalcon: and if you look at the filename of https://packages.sury.org/php/pool/main/p/php7.2/php7.2_7.2.24-1%2B0~20191026.31%2Bdebian10~1.gbpbbacde_all.deb then it is 'php7.2' and the version is what follows the '_', so php7.3 would be a completely different thing |
| 10:01.59 | ratrace | and yes, install all the module packages you were using, but for 7.3 |
| 10:02.00 | CQ | hello, I deleted a swap partition, created a new one, and now want to use it, but there is no UUID for it in /dev/dsk/by-uuid ... in the oder by-* directories it shows up. any ideas? |
| 10:02.15 | ratrace | CQ: you have to run mkswap on it first |
| 10:02.17 | CQ | I have both run partprobe and rebooted already |
| 10:02.22 | CQ | ratrace, ah, thans |
| 10:02.25 | CQ | thanks |
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| 10:03.09 | ratrace | CQ: otherwise you can refer to it via PARTUUID |
| 10:04.04 | ratrace | CQ: and also consider using swapfiles instead. less hassle with partitions and stuff. |
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| 10:04.06 | CQ | ratrace mkswap worked, thanks... but I still need to mkswap before using it, even with PARTUUID, right? |
| 10:04.16 | ratrace | CQ: yea |
| 10:04.49 | CQ | ratrace, sure, but this is a simple webserver setup with one big partition, and I use the swap space at the end in case I ever need a boot partition or something else there... insurance policy ; ) |
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| 10:05.23 | ratrace | CQ: ah ok. I like to put swap at the beginning as that's the fastest part of the disk :) |
| 10:05.43 | ratrace | (unless it's ssd) |
| 10:06.12 | CQ | this is in a debian bhyve VM on a FreeNAS box, so it son't make much speed difference anyway |
| 10:06.37 | ratrace | I see |
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| 10:07.10 | Mathisen | FightingFalcon, best is if you upgrade to buster really so you can use debian own repos and not any 3.rd party one. |
| 10:07.52 | Mathisen | FightingFalcon, but if you dont want to do that you need to uninstall/purge 7.2 and install 7.3 from that repo you using |
| 10:08.30 | FightingFalcon | ok |
| 10:08.34 | FightingFalcon | trying now, wish me luck :D |
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| 10:11.00 | annadane | i've learned to stop purging stuff in general |
| 10:11.09 | annadane | uninstall using the least destructive option |
| 10:11.21 | annadane | unless you 100% know you'll never need configs |
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| 10:13.06 | FightingFalcon | Shall i restart the system after all this mess? |
| 10:13.19 | Mathisen | nope |
| 10:13.24 | Mathisen | php --version |
| 10:13.25 | AndikaSagala | somebody, could you help me setting my visual studio for linux dev? i was followed this instruction https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=VisualCppDevLabs.VisualCforLinuxDevelopment but still no luck when compiling my codes. |
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| 10:16.23 | Mathisen | you may want to restart your web service doh, depending on what you doing |
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| 10:17.39 | FightingFalcon | omg |
| 10:17.50 | FightingFalcon | now my server gives bad gateway error? |
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| 10:18.52 | ratrace | FightingFalcon: look at the logs, first the web server's error log, then PHP's |
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| 10:20.37 | ratrace | FightingFalcon: also did you remember to update the php config files? between 7.3 and 7.2, they should be in different dirs, so you need to take care of that |
| 10:21.33 | FightingFalcon | yes i fixed it |
| 10:21.48 | FightingFalcon | i had to change php7.2-fpm to 7.3fpm in nginx config file |
| 10:24.08 | FightingFalcon | thanks a lot everybody |
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| 10:29.29 | FightingFalcon | btw is there a way to upgrade debian 9 to 10? |
| 10:31.22 | annadane | !buster release notes |
| 10:31.22 | dpkg | The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ . See also <stretch->buster>, <buster install guide> |
| 10:31.27 | annadane | read those ^ |
| 10:31.53 | annadane | dpkg, stretch -> buster |
| 10:31.54 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, annadane |
| 10:31.57 | annadane | reeeee |
| 10:32.47 | FightingFalcon | ok |
| 10:32.52 | FightingFalcon | i think there is no need to do that |
| 10:32.52 | FightingFalcon | :D |
| 10:33.00 | annadane | !stretch->buster |
| 10:33.12 | annadane | well, it's your funeral |
| 10:33.18 | annadane | i'm giving you the official recommendation |
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| 10:34.43 | annadane | dpkg, stretch->buster |
| 10:34.43 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove stable-specific lines like stretch-backports. apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 10:34.53 | annadane | i'm a genius |
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| 10:35.30 | jelly | !win annadane |
| 10:35.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, annadane! You have won the US presidency! |
| 10:35.49 | jelly | they award that tojust anyone these days. |
| 10:35.59 | wxb | jelly, lol |
| 10:36.38 | wxb | who writes those commands? some of them are pretty good! |
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| 10:37.01 | annadane | it's not just one person. you can add your own |
| 10:37.15 | jelly | dpkg: factinfo cmd: win (.*?) |
| 10:37.15 | annadane | i wrote this nifty one |
| 10:37.15 | dpkg | CMD: win (.*?) -- created by sussudio <Suss@d51132d0.cable.wanadoo.nl> at Sun Feb 16 16:11:47 2003 (6109 days); it has been requested 1397 times, last by jelly, 1m 45s ago. |
| 10:37.18 | annadane | !newcomer |
| 10:37.19 | dpkg | Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: https://debian-handbook.info/ Reference manual: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ FAQ: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ - reading https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian is also a very good idea. |
| 10:37.52 | jelly | dpkg: literal cmd: win (.*?) |
| 10:37.52 | dpkg | "cmd: win (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> Congratulations, $1! You have won (second prize in a beauty contest|a one way ticket to (Baghdad|Cleveland|Nova Scotia|Christmas Island|Beirut|Rio de Janeiro|Fire Island|Gaza|Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!)|the US presidency|a lifetime supply of spam|the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120)!" |
| 10:38.06 | annadane | lol |
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| 10:39.10 | wxb | that's great! |
| 10:40.29 | annadane | s/a very good idea/absolutely mandatory |
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| 10:42.26 | jelly | I'll have to remember that one exists |
| 10:43.30 | FightingFalcon | i will restart php7.3-fpm service and do i also have to restart other php services? |
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| 10:44.39 | mtcdood | does anyone know how to identify what's wrong with a DASH manifest? |
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| 10:45.02 | mtcdood | ffmpeg claims it found invalid input in it, and even with debug logging it provides zero information about what it was trying to do that didn't work |
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| 10:53.31 | hans__ | is this because i don't have an nvidia driver installed? https://i.imgur.com/el5coW5.png |
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| 10:54.31 | annadane | isn't radeon amd specific? |
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| 10:54.50 | hans__ | .. right you are |
| 10:54.54 | hans__ | weird |
| 10:55.07 | hans__ | i just installed a nvidia GT 710 |
| 10:55.11 | annadane | install firmware-amd-graphics |
| 10:55.24 | annadane | uh. |
| 10:55.30 | annadane | well if you installed nvidia... i don't know. |
| 10:56.01 | no_gravity | Hello! "rsync -ain --ignore-times --checksum" still shows me subdirectories with changed timestamps. Is there a way to change that? I would like to only see subdirectories if they are about to be created or deleted. |
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| 11:02.39 | Kats99 | where are the init scripts stored |
| 11:03.09 | Kats99 | i see none in init.d or rc*.d |
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| 11:06.45 | valdyn | Kats99: in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 11:07.42 | Kats99 | oh ok..those green highlights make them look like executables |
| 11:07.56 | valdyn | Kats99: well, they are executables |
| 11:08.06 | Kats99 | like binary |
| 11:08.20 | Kats99 | i didnt know they were still text files |
| 11:08.36 | valdyn | Kats99: yea, they're green if the are +x |
| 11:08.42 | Kats99 | hmm |
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| 11:25.53 | LCRERGO | Hi, what is the pulseaudio mixer file in /dev? |
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| 11:36.51 | no_gravity | Found it! --no-times |
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| 12:08.33 | LCRERGO | what file it the one of /dev/mixer? |
| 12:08.58 | LCRERGO | I mean the pulseaudio |
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| 12:18.13 | ratrace | LCRERGO: lsof shows /dev/snd/control* files owned by the PA process here |
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| 12:44.00 | magic_ninja | I have a corrupted package, python-numpy that won't install and keeps other stuff from installing. I'm not sure how to fix it. |
| 12:44.01 | magic_ninja | https://paste.debian.net/1115413/ |
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| 13:10.21 | annadane | ,v python-numpy |
| 13:10.23 | judd | Package: python-numpy on amd64 -- jessie: 1:1.8.2-2; stretch: 1:1.12.1-3; buster: 1:1.16.2-1; bullseye: 1:1.16.5-1; sid: 1:1.16.5-1 |
| 13:10.53 | annadane | !bat |
| 13:10.54 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 13:10.56 | annadane | magic_ninja, ^ |
| 13:13.40 | annadane | though if it's *only* a corrupted package and not a generic dependency issue... |
| 13:21.18 | magic_ninja | alright, I'll get it once I get the machine powered back up |
| 13:22.36 | annadane | magic_ninja, may not even be necessary, i'd probably wait for other answers |
| 13:22.42 | annadane | not that such output *hurts* |
| 13:22.51 | magic_ninja | might point me to the problem too |
| 13:26.34 | lunchslut | anyone use ibus on 10.1 and have issues changing keyboard layout in qt apps ? |
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| 14:09.03 | magic_ninja | given it is on a pi, I'll probably just do a reinstall. It was a pretty fresh install,. |
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| 14:33.13 | dob1 | hi, can I less/more maintaining ansi escape code ? I mean the coor for example, without seeing the code |
| 14:33.22 | dob1 | s/coor/color |
| 14:34.19 | dob1 | ops less -r |
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| 15:07.51 | dob1 | can I get a diff or similar from a file in a debian package (original one) and the one installed on my system? |
| 15:08.10 | dob1 | or have I to download the package, extrat etc? |
| 15:08.21 | petn-randall | dob1: You can compare two Debian packages with diffoscope. |
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| 15:08.41 | dob1 | petn-randall, no really what I mean I think |
| 15:08.42 | petn-randall | dob1: But you can't really compare one installed and one not-installed one, no. |
| 15:08.57 | petn-randall | dob1: What is the problem you're trying to solve? |
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| 15:09.12 | petn-randall | dob1: Because for verifying files there's a tool, as well as one to reinstall the original config. |
| 15:09.23 | dob1 | petn-randall, I want to compare a configuration file that I have edited with the one included in the original package |
| 15:09.44 | petn-randall | !confmiss |
| 15:09.44 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 15:10.00 | dob1 | I don't want to overwrite it |
| 15:10.02 | petn-randall | dob1: You can copy the config away, and reinstall it with this ^. Then you can use diff to compare. |
| 15:10.31 | dob1 | petn-randall, it's more simple to download the package manually then. thanks anyway |
| 15:10.37 | ratrace | Is there a mechanism that would CHANGE directory permission into nobody:root, for example if a chown or chmod was issued from an unprivileged process and something something failed and then something else erred on the side of caution and set owner to "nobody"? |
| 15:10.56 | petn-randall | dob1: If the config is even packaged, and not generated during postinst. |
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| 15:11.10 | petn-randall | ratrace: no |
| 15:11.10 | ratrace | I'm trying to figure out what in the penguin god's name has changed www-data owned /var/lib/nginx/* dirs to nobody:root and I'm running nginx unprivileged (it's _never_ root in the lifecycle of the service) |
| 15:11.28 | dob1 | petn-randall, because I don't know how many config file there are, I am looking at just one |
| 15:11.53 | dob1 | petn-randall, maybe it will restore other config file that I edit time ago and I don't remember :) |
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| 15:12.46 | petn-randall | ratrace: If an unprivileged user could "give" files to root that would be a huge security issue. |
| 15:12.49 | ratrace | petn-randall: that's what I thought and now I'm hunting down what on satan's earth might've done so. no cron, no systemd timer, no other service, no tmpfiles.d config, that would explain it, unless there's a bug in namespacing as /var/lib/nginx is a ReadWritePath to otherwise ProtectSystem=strict service |
| 15:13.08 | ratrace | Imma ask in #systemd |
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| 15:19.03 | CQ | hello, I have a DNS problem on my machine... DHCP gets the right IP, but for some reason name resolution does not work |
| 15:19.15 | CQ | ping: google.com: Name or service not known |
| 15:20.37 | CQ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:21.27 | CQ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:21.43 | CQ | ...which is probably the issue, but who should be filling it? |
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| 15:29.58 | yokowka | in easy tag part of songs are colored blue, other part has no color what that meaning, and how to rewright tags from not understanding symbols to cyrilic rus' yazyk? |
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| 15:38.50 | seraphyn | CQ: Did you provide an DNS server via DHCP? |
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| 15:41.10 | seraphyn | CQ: If not put in nameserver 8.8.8.8 ae |
| 15:41.29 | CQ | seraphyn, yes, if I do that it works, but who should be setting that nameserver?? |
| 15:41.38 | CQ | something should set it automatically... |
| 15:41.44 | CQ | I thought dhclient did that |
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| 15:41.56 | CQ | this is a headless server, so no networkmanager |
| 15:42.03 | seraphyn | CQ: Your DHCP Server normally, he freshs it up. with the local domain to search for |
| 15:42.12 | CQ | afk; dinner, sorry... |
| 15:42.22 | CQ | seraphyn, I'll dig around alittle later... that's what I thought too |
| 15:42.24 | seraphyn | CQ: So it's your turn, and Server and DHCP. make it static |
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| 15:43.18 | seraphyn | CQ: Cu. Need to go outta, buy some stuff in grocrey |
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| 15:51.33 | yokowka | in easy tag part of songs are colored blue, other part has no color what that meaning, and how to rewright tags from not understanding symbols to cyrilic rus' yazyk? |
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| 15:59.33 | losgb1 | Hi, I'm on Debian 10.1 Buster and I have issues with my printer. It's a samsung xpress C480w and I can't seem to make it print documents when connected to my computer. I have the right drivers installed and the printer is recognised by the computer (that is it shows in print settings and syslog reports the printer as connected) but still I can't |
| 15:59.33 | losgb1 | seem to be able to send tasks to it. Can anybody help fix this ? |
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| 16:04.43 | seraphyn | losgb1: Go onto the cups admin page: http://127.0.0.1:631 |
| 16:04.53 | seraphyn | losgb1: So if there is anything fine |
| 16:05.49 | losgb1 | seraphyn With the printer on ? |
| 16:06.04 | seraphyn | losgb1: Fore sure |
| 16:06.07 | losgb1 | ok |
| 16:06.37 | seraphyn | losgb1: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting |
| 16:07.01 | seraphyn | losgb1: Everything you need to install your printer. |
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| 16:07.36 | losgb1 | seraphyn Just as a side not, it worked on Debian Stretch. |
| 16:08.23 | seraphyn | losgb1: It is possible that you need some packages. So you need to install them extra. Could be some packages not upgraded well, or you dind't installt them now |
| 16:08.46 | losgb1 | ok |
| 16:09.20 | losgb1 | Just checked syslog and I got this message "systemd[1]: configure-printer@usb-001-066.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURENov 9 17:08:12 Net-PC2 systemd[1]: configure-printer@usb-001-066.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'." |
| 16:09.49 | losgb1 | "systemd[1]: configure-printer@usb-001-066.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILUREsystemd[1]: configure-printer@usb-001-066.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'." |
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| 16:11.11 | losgb1 | seraphyn What should I look for in the cups page ? |
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| 16:12.01 | seraphyn | losgb1: Add your Printer |
| 16:12.56 | losgb1 | ok |
| 16:13.30 | dob1 | can I do cat something |fzf when search in fzf and going to the line where the text I am search is? |
| 16:13.38 | dob1 | s/when/then |
| 16:13.47 | dob1 | damn bad english... |
| 16:13.57 | dob1 | can I do cat something |fzf when search in fzf and going to the line where the text I am searching is? |
| 16:14.17 | losgb1 | seraphyn Quick reminder, I have not installed cups as a print server for remote printing only as a local server. It asks for authentication, what should I give, my username and password ? |
| 16:15.18 | seraphyn | losgb1: See here, and root and rootpasswd |
| 16:15.28 | losgb1 | ok |
| 16:15.29 | seraphyn | losgb1: Sorry need to go, buy some food for my family |
| 16:15.35 | seraphyn | losgb1: BRB in 1 hour |
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| 16:26.58 | losgb1 | seraphyn When connected to cups I get this message for show completed jobs "canceled atSat 09 Nov 2019 17:21:23 CET "Filter failed"" |
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| 16:40.39 | _DeLa_ | Why is https://packages.debian.org/sid/alarm-clock-applet available in oldoldstable, oldstable and unstable, but neither in stable or testing? :-( |
| 16:41.16 | dob1 | maybe it was bugged |
| 16:41.35 | annadane | that package in sid is only available for arm64 and powerpc |
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| 16:41.50 | annadane | well, powerpcspe, which i don't know if it's the same |
| 16:42.01 | annadane | i imagine for inclusion in stable it has to be available for every arch |
| 16:42.08 | annadane | check the tracker? tracker.debian.org |
| 16:42.10 | _DeLa_ | annadane: right! didn't notice that |
| 16:42.36 | annadane | it doesn't really answer the question because then the question becomes "why is it only available for those architectures?" |
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| 16:43.50 | aHoo | installing php7.3-gd doesn't activate gd for my php |
| 16:43.55 | aHoo | what am i missing? |
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| 16:46.27 | DrBunsen | Hey all, it has been a few years since I last upgraded from a debian release to another. Are there any known issues with upgrading stretch to buster? I am most concerned about zfs surviving the upgrade. Any experiences? |
| 16:47.37 | losgb1 | There are a bunch of issues with installing Buster. I had to manually set suspend, lockscreen and a bunch of other things and now I'm having issues with my printer. |
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| 16:49.45 | DrBunsen | losgb1: This is on a laptop? Because I am looking at a desktop install here. Laptops will be reinstalled if anything happens ;) |
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| 16:52.39 | losgb1 | Yeah laptop. |
| 16:53.01 | annadane | i don't know about any show stopping problems but it's always worth it to read the release notes |
| 16:53.04 | annadane | dpkg, stretch->buster |
| 16:53.05 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove stable-specific lines like stretch-backports. apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
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| 16:53.40 | annadane | it links to section 4 but check out section 5 too |
| 16:53.52 | annadane | "Chapter 5. Issues to be aware of for buster" |
| 16:54.45 | __marco__ | Hello. An expert of python and Python/Debian quirks here? If I install my package as "sudo python setup.py install" it install the data files in /usr/local/share but I expect to find them in (python syntax) sys.prefix + '/share' |
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| 16:56.03 | __marco__ | Before, in the previous versions of Debian it was the case, I don't know what changed in the new versions and how I can get this installation dir |
| 16:57.36 | vlt | __marco__: Have you tried just installing it in a venv? |
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| 16:58.21 | __marco__ | vlt, I try. I just install it with --editable option that is not the same |
| 16:59.34 | _DeLa_ | Noob question: Will installing https://debian.pkgs.org/9/debian-main-amd64/alarm-clock-applet_0.3.4-1+b1_amd64.deb.html (.deb file for Debian 9 that is) on my Debian 10 system turn it into FrankenDebian? |
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| 17:00.02 | jhutchins | Yes |
| 17:00.39 | __marco__ | vlt, the data files are installed in $VIRTUAL_ENV/share/{local,applications,pixmaps,..} and sys.prefix is correctly set to $VIRTUAL_ENV |
| 17:01.16 | jhutchins | __marco__: THe problem is that you are installing a python package with a python script and asking for help in #debian. |
| 17:01.48 | __marco__ | vlt, so I can correctly access those files from python with "sys.prefix + '/share/...' |
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| 17:03.10 | __marco__ | vlt, if the package is installed globally, sys.prefix points to '/usr' but the data files are installed into '/usr/local' |
| 17:04.35 | __marco__ | from https://docs.python.org/3/distutils/setupscript.html: "The directory should be a relative path. It is interpreted relative to the installation prefix (Pythonâs sys.prefix for system installations; site.USER_BASE for user installations" |
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| 17:05.50 | __marco__ | vlt, So, I don't know if something is changed in the new versions of Debian (10) that breaks this |
| 17:06.49 | DrBunsen | annadane: thanks a ton |
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| 17:09.55 | __marco__ | vlt, Usually I put the data files into the package itself and use Python specific tools to load them, but someone pointed me out that mixing code and data file in a deb package causes Lintian (I don't remember the correct name of the tool) warnings and it will make the acceptance of the package in Debian more difficult |
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| 17:21.07 | _DeLa_ | jhutchins: If I install this .deb. file, all dependencies will still be met by debian 10 repositories (if they will be met), right? So it's not that bad, is it? |
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| 17:22.19 | jhutchins | _DeLa_: The .deb file (if it comes from debian) will put things in location consistent with the rest of what debian has installed. |
| 17:22.39 | jhutchins | _DeLa_: If it's a third-party .deb there's no guarantee of that. |
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| 17:25.47 | _DeLa_ | jhutchins: "consistent with the rest of what debian has installed." = what I have enabled in my sources.list, right |
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| 17:29.50 | jhutchins | Debian packages should all make the same assumption about what files should go there. There's no absolute rule, which is why packages have to be built for a specific distribution. If a decision is made to change a standard, the change should take place at a major release point, which is why packages for a different release might not work. |
| 17:30.25 | jhutchins | Because there's no absolute cross-*nix rule for where things go, a third party package might not be consistent with the debian layout standard. |
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| 17:40.46 | _DeLa_ | jhutchins: thanks |
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| 17:52.01 | ratrace | petn-randall: hey, did you figure out that audit/inotify problem you had? |
| 17:52.27 | ratrace | I seem to have a similar now, I intend to use auditctl and put a watch on ownership change of some dirs... |
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| 17:52.45 | no_gravity | Is there a way to create "virtual files" in memory that can be passed to programs as filename then? I vaguely remember that something like that could be done with pipes? |
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| 17:55.26 | n_1-c_k | no_gravity, in bash you can do: $ cat <(echo "foo") |
| 17:56.08 | no_gravity | Yes, but the file needs to be read/write. |
| 17:56.14 | no_gravity | For example: curl takes two cookie files as arguments. I would like to not have them on disk. Just in memory. |
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| 17:59.46 | ratrace | no_gravity: you can create files under /dev/shm |
| 18:00.08 | no_gravity | ratrace: That would be an option. |
| 18:00.20 | no_gravity | ratrace: Is that guaranteed to be in memory? |
| 18:00.25 | ratrace | no_gravity: it's a tmpfs on debian |
| 18:00.38 | ratrace | no_gravity: or you can configure your /tmp to be a tmpfs too, and use that instead |
| 18:00.56 | no_gravity | ratrace: Well, I want the script to run on as many environments as possible. |
| 18:00.57 | ratrace | no_gravity: that said, there's no guarantee it won't end up in swap if that's what you're concerned with |
| 18:01.06 | no_gravity | It would be nice if the file automaticall disappeard when the process ends that created it. |
| 18:02.02 | ratrace | no_gravity: in python, things like the tmpfile module ensures that (barring any bugs in the code, it's not ensured at the OS level, though files are created securely) |
| 18:03.00 | no_gravity | I think I will simply create a file in /dev/shm |
| 18:03.05 | ratrace | no_gravity: I think /dev/shm is bound to be a tmpfs on any linux distro |
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| 18:03.37 | no_gravity | ratrace: Great, thanks! |
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| 18:05.57 | ratrace | no_gravity: oh yea, /run too, at least on systemd systems |
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| 18:27.18 | sponix | why did Docky get dropped from Buster ? |
| 18:27.26 | sponix | ,v docky |
| 18:27.27 | judd | Package: docky on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.0-2; stretch: 2.2.1.1-1 |
| 18:27.33 | ratrace | judd: bug rm docky |
| 18:27.36 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/911199 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: docky -- RoQA; unmaintained, depends on ancient GNOME libraries»; severity: normal; opened: 2018-10-17; last modified: 2018-12-17. |
| 18:28.07 | sponix | hmm, well I can't get plank to add a app launcher menu, tried many methods |
| 18:28.24 | sponix | can cairo is said to be a resource hog |
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| 18:31.46 | annadane | i hate plank |
| 18:31.51 | annadane | maybe i just used it wrong though |
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| 18:32.38 | ratrace | I do plank every morning |
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| 18:35.37 | annadane | i actually just use mate-panel these days and it does what i need it to |
| 18:35.49 | annadane | plus rofi as application launcher |
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| 18:38.27 | Ede|Popede | with a de or a wm? i installed icewm yesterday just to have a look at it (in Xephyr atm). using xfce since i returned to debian during squeeze (or was it wheey?), nice one, but i'm not sure what i am missing in the Xephyr environment tbh. |
| 18:38.51 | annadane | de, mate |
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| 18:40.00 | Ede|Popede | i think i never seriously used an alternative wm with a de (been on kde before for years) |
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| 18:42.21 | alencar | Hello, guys. I'd like to know know to work/apply livepatch on Debian Buster. Do I need to work only with Kernel's source, or is there a way to work with compiled (deb pkg) kernel? |
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| 18:51.50 | NetTerminalGene | does debian send every new kernel to microsoft to be signed? |
| 18:52.06 | Mathisen | no |
| 18:52.30 | NetTerminalGene | how do they sign it then? |
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| 18:53.11 | Mathisen | if i understand you correct, it is just the shim that is signed to boot in secureboot |
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| 18:58.42 | jhutchins | alencar: I'm not sure livepatch is available on Debian yet. |
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| 18:59.35 | jhutchins | I believe it's intel that does the signing. |
| 18:59.49 | jhutchins | NetTerminalGene: ^ |
| 18:59.54 | alencar | jhutchins: Got it, thanks |
| 19:00.12 | NetTerminalGene | :O |
| 19:00.20 | jhutchins | alencar: It's a new thing in RHEL8 which just came out a couple of months ago. |
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| 19:00.50 | jhutchins | (Actually, the concept has been worked on for decades.) |
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| 19:01.38 | alencar | jhutchins: So, I need to do the old way: update kernel and reboot it, right? |
| 19:01.43 | alencar | Well, thanks |
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| 19:02.20 | ratrace | jhutchins: live patch? it's been available in Ubuntu quite some time now wiht a service, free tier + paid |
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| 19:08.21 | jhutchins | ratrace: I've never heard of debian working on that, but that means nothing. |
| 19:08.59 | losgb1 | Hi, I'm on Debian 10.1 Buster and I have issues with my printer. I have the correct drivers install but the printer does not print documents when connected to the computer. It is recognized by the computer (it shows in XFCE's print settings and syslog recognises the printer) but even then it doesn't print. All Iget when I plug the printer on is |
| 19:08.59 | losgb1 | this message "systemd[1]: configure-printer@usb-001-009.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE systemd[1]: configure-printer@usb-001-009.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'." and when I try and print a test page for instance, syslog tells me that the usb port the printer is connected is "removed". Any idea on how to fix |
| 19:09.00 | losgb1 | this ? |
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| 19:09.12 | ratrace | jhutchins: I mean it's not a "couple of months ago" new thing, unless you specifically meant RHEL only |
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| 19:11.28 | jhutchins | ratrace: Yeah, I've known of people working on it for various OSs for years, but it always seemed pretty non-mainstream. |
| 19:11.54 | jhutchins | 100% uptime is just insane. Sooner or later it has to break. |
| 19:12.19 | ratrace | oh sure, and livepatch can't patch all the fixes, at least not in ubuntu |
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| 19:12.50 | ratrace | imho it's just stupid. if you need max uptime, run redundancy at lower OSI layers and failover, replicate, load balance |
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| 19:15.42 | jpw | Does anyone know why a systemd unit with Type=simple wouldn't immediately return like documented? |
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| 19:20.02 | ratrace | jpw: where's that documented? |
| 19:20.44 | emOne | ping |
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| 19:21.11 | TandyUK | hey guys, im confused with debmirror.... https://gist.github.com/tandyuk/27f042e7bde0acd991c87197ddb06e6c |
| 19:21.36 | TandyUK | debmirror says network unreachable, yet wget (and curl/etc) can all download that url with no issues |
| 19:21.39 | TandyUK | any ideas?? |
| 19:23.18 | jpw | @ratrace "the service manager will consider the unit started immediately after the main service process has been forked off." from `man systemd.service` |
| 19:24.44 | ratrace | jpw: I don't think that guarantees immediate return from the systemctl command though |
| 19:25.00 | jpw | never mind, i'm an idiot |
| 19:25.03 | ratrace | unless you meant something else by "return"? |
| 19:25.10 | jpw | there was a Type=notify later in the unit |
| 19:25.14 | ratrace | oh |
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| 19:38.53 | emOne | hello |
| 19:39.06 | Ankman | hello |
| 19:39.29 | emOne | strange a certain irc channel on another server freezes for me |
| 19:39.39 | emOne | a certain irc server I should say |
| 19:39.43 | emOne | I though it was my VPN |
| 19:39.51 | emOne | but everything works fine on freenode |
| 19:40.12 | joze | freezing chatters? |
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| 19:50.26 | Ankman | seems to be a server problem on IRC. sit it out |
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| 20:01.38 | jpw | sounds like a question for that netowk's #help channel |
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| 20:04.49 | vvor | Talking about freeze, any idea what can freeze an ssh conaction? I get the shell OK, type in any command press Enter and get a freeze... |
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| 20:12.36 | ryouma | is it safe to just run tunefs -m 0 on a running or not-running fs? |
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| 20:14.21 | jpw | i'm 90% sure it is. the man pages will warn you if there is anything to be aware of |
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| 20:21.37 | ryouma | jpw: thanks. it says nothing for that. yay. |
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| 20:22.48 | ryouma | jpw: i still don't get the fragmentation thing. why would reserved blocks prevent fragmentation, except inasmuch as root can write without affecting any non-root blocks? |
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| 20:30.16 | ryouma | jpw: thanks. this is amazing. it's like you get a bigger disk for little effort. |
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| 20:47.52 | TandyUK | tbf reserved blocks only really make sense on root drives (ie /, and perhaps /etc /var depending on your config) |
| 20:48.37 | TandyUK | for example, if the disk fills (by user activity), and /var is on a disk with -m0, then you wouldnt be able to initiate a new ssh session, so without physical access youre screwed |
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| 20:49.18 | TandyUK | but on a non-system data drive, it makes very little sense to reserve any blocks (mkfs.ext[234] default to '-m 5' though!) |
| 20:49.46 | ryouma | i should run it on home and boot also |
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| 21:20.59 | n_blownapart | hi I wonder if sponix is on with plenty of time to kill :) |
| 21:21.30 | crestfallen | << moniker |
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| 21:24.51 | crestfallen | https://imgur.com/a/V7DuLNP here's a screenshot of my thumbdrive location. I'm trying to use a utility called balenaEtcher that above member suggested I install. I'm having big troubles getting my network connection in order on a fresh install of buster. so member suggested I burn some sort of utility to install on the debian machine using a usbDrive |
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| 21:27.09 | crestfallen | the burn command the member suggested is this : sudo dd if=./MX-19_x64.iso of=/dev/USBStickName bs=8m |
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| 21:28.06 | crestfallen | so first if someone could help, I want to be certain the command points to the right (usb) hard drive |
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| 21:29.33 | revolutionary | hi all. how can i disable all display managers? For example i want to use gpg in TTY like asking passwords but i am seeing the "enter your password" section on display manager. Thanks |
| 21:31.08 | crestfallen | I've used dd before, believing now that it properly formats the usb and wipes everything else on the usb. |
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| 21:37.49 | RoyK | crestfallen: should work |
| 21:38.12 | RoyK | crestfallen: dd just moves data, block by block, over to the new medium - nothing fancy |
| 21:39.05 | crestfallen | thanks RoyK could you tell me how to write the target usb based on the screenshot https://imgur.com/a/V7DuLNP |
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| 21:39.33 | crestfallen | i.e. the entire dd command? |
| 21:39.55 | crestfallen | I'm not sure what I'm installing to the usb at all :) |
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| 21:41.08 | RoyK | crestfallen: diskutil list |
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| 21:44.03 | RoyK | crestfallen: that's the command in the terminal on macos to list the disks |
| 21:44.06 | RoyK | attached |
| 21:45.00 | crestfallen | copy that , it's confusing to read with all the partitions: https://termbin.com/9djq RoyK |
| 21:46.44 | RoyK | looks to me like /dev/disk1 is your drive |
| 21:46.54 | RoyK | try unplugging it and re-run diskutil list |
| 21:47.02 | RoyK | then plug it in |
| 21:47.06 | RoyK | and re-run it |
| 21:47.14 | crestfallen | ok working... |
| 21:47.16 | RoyK | so you won't overwrite anything crucial |
| 21:48.31 | RoyK | also - when using dd on a mac, don't dd to /dev/diskX |
| 21:48.39 | RoyK | better dd to /dev/rdiskX |
| 21:48.51 | RoyK | direct access - no buffering - it's way faster |
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| 21:49.30 | crestfallen | ok yeah RoyK so disk2 contains the balenaEtcher thing which is confusing to me . that's sitting on its own disk or partition? copy that last post thanks RoyK |
| 21:49.57 | RoyK | never mind |
| 21:50.42 | b0br | hi all, people have been saying to me I should use Debian; I've been using Fedora and now Centos - SElinux is my friend, IPtables, fail2ban... I'm used to Yum, but, if I was to switch what could you see being teh advantages and disadvantages of Debian? Thank you <3 b0br |
| 21:51.07 | crestfallen | yeah so the command with the target would be sudo dd if=./MX-19_x64.iso of=/dev/rdisk1 bs=8m |
| 21:51.08 | dob1 | b0br, apt |
| 21:51.17 | dob1 | and no rpm |
| 21:51.47 | RoyK | b0br: the advantage of debian, is it's stable like a rock. the disadvantage is that its packages may be a wee bit old |
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| 21:51.54 | RoyK | b0br: but again - welcome |
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| 21:52.16 | crestfallen | RoyK: do you fully understand what sponi.x was trying to help me with last night? |
| 21:52.18 | RoyK | b0br: selinux isn't installed on debian by default |
| 21:52.31 | RoyK | crestfallen: no |
| 21:52.43 | crestfallen | ok :) !! |
| 21:53.22 | crestfallen | I'll burn it anyway.. |
| 21:53.36 | revolutionary | ping |
| 21:53.56 | RoyK | pong |
| 21:54.06 | revolutionary | can someone help me? |
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| 21:56.15 | cirilos | revolutionary, probably not, unless you try harder.. |
| 21:57.02 | revolutionary | cirilos i tried harder but no luck. i found this systemctl set-default multi-user.target but didn't work. I disabled sddm but didn't work |
| 21:57.54 | RoyK | !ask |
| 21:57.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:58.02 | revolutionary | hi all. how can i disable all display managers? For example i want to use gpg in TTY like asking passwords but i am seeing the "enter your password" section on display manager. Thanks |
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| 21:59.12 | crestfallen | RoyK: I wonder where and what that MX-19_x64.iso is. I've been looking inside /Volumes/balenaEtcher 1.5.63 |
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| 22:03.47 | RoyK | crestfallen: not really debian, is it? |
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| 22:04.49 | cirilos | this MX thing looks promising. It says its based on debian repos |
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| 22:05.51 | RoyK | still not supported here |
| 22:06.31 | cirilos | lol |
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| 22:07.33 | crestfallen | cirilos: any way you could guide me through this.. to get my network figured out on a new buster install? |
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| 22:08.32 | cirilos | crestfallen, yeah sure, have you boot already ? |
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| 22:09.50 | crestfallen | the thing boots. I went into nm-connection-editor , tried to set up the IPv4 settings . but the netmask keeps showing '25' after I save it, instead of 255.255.255.128. someone said last night that is was a formulaic abbreviation (25 was) |
| 22:09.53 | crestfallen | cirilos |
| 22:10.22 | crestfallen | I did nothing to the General settings in the editor, since I didn't know what to enter |
| 22:10.53 | crestfallen | also I'm writing you from another machine and sharing the hard wire. so its a bit tedious |
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| 22:11.30 | cirilos | crestfallen, is this wired or wireless ? static or dhcp ? |
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| 22:12.35 | crestfallen | well, it's wired. as for dhcp, it's a major uni network, so my admin gave me the addresses and DNS servers what-have-you |
| 22:12.48 | crestfallen | not sure i.e. |
| 22:13.42 | crestfallen | it boots nicely. all set to go.. |
| 22:14.20 | crestfallen | getting it to boot was murder. I had a fancy video card and took hours getting the firmware right.. |
| 22:14.51 | crestfallen | cirilos |
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| 22:16.20 | cirilos | crestfallen, so what is the problem exactly ? |
| 22:17.16 | crestfallen | also, I was in /etc/network/interfaces trying various edits, based on members suggestions here. |
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| 22:18.50 | crestfallen | I set IPv4 as best I could, using nm-connection-editor. the netmask field appeared to not be sticking. |
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| 22:19.04 | crestfallen | giving '25' after the save |
| 22:19.18 | cirilos | crestfallen, 25 seems fine |
| 22:19.23 | crestfallen | ok |
| 22:19.40 | crestfallen | what about the General settings. what should it look like? |
| 22:20.07 | crestfallen | or any settings on all those tabs. also if IPv6 is involved? |
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| 22:20.25 | cirilos | crestfallen, General tab does not matter.. did you connect already ? |
| 22:21.16 | crestfallen | no I haven't been able to connect. I did the working with the firmware on another machine in a different dept, so so far in my office I can't get internet |
| 22:22.08 | crestfallen | i.e. I did the install in another building but burned the thumbdrive at home. |
| 22:23.37 | crestfallen | also for the record I used a netinst.iso that reads "firmware-included....iso" but that didn't help with missing firmware. I still needed to install the firmware manually. fwiw |
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| 22:25.51 | crestfallen | cirilos: ^ |
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| 22:27.05 | cirilos | crestfallen, paste `ip a` `cat /etc/network/interfaces` |
| 22:27.54 | crestfallen | ip command not found |
| 22:28.50 | cirilos | crestfallen, `ifconfig` then |
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| 22:29.49 | crestfallen | sorry let me go to the machine now :P though I believe I wasn't getting ip to work yesterday. certainly not ifconfig cirilos |
| 22:30.12 | crestfallen | give me 5 minutes I changed the file numerous times yesterday |
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| 22:35.24 | ryouma | is dpkg-reconfigure getting less and less amenable to dumb terminals? |
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| 22:37.15 | ryouma | from a shell script, i want to programmatically run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc (or some tool that does exactly the same as dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc) and have it install grub to the specified disk. it will be run in a chroot. i don't want human interaction. i DO want the debconf settings to be done exactly like dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc would do if run manually. |
| 22:38.11 | ryouma | (specifically, the remembered defaults need to be set in addition. which manual running of dpkg-reconfigure from a non-dumb terminal does.) |
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| 22:40.24 | crestfallen | cirilos first off 'ip a' includes eno1 no carrier. let me upload a photo, hopefully you can see it. |
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| 22:41.43 | crestfallen | cirilos: it worked! https://imgur.com/a/C0GVAC2 |
| 22:43.02 | crestfallen | so I tried to edit the interfaces file with eth0 eth1 eno0 etc. also changing 'allow-hotplug' to 'auto' |
| 22:43.17 | crestfallen | I tried these changes yesterday. all failed. |
| 22:45.16 | ryouma | i have figured/found out that "debconf-show grub-pc | grep install.devices:" will SHOW me what debconf does when i run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc (unless they change the keyword :/), but i do not know what to do in a non-interactive script to DO what dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc does. |
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| 22:47.39 | rifataroo | hello there! |
| 22:48.21 | karlpinc | ryouma: man 7 debconf |
| 22:49.58 | rifataroo | How do I make sure the audio is working in raspian? |
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| 22:52.47 | ryouma | No manual entry for debconf in section 7 |
| 22:53.05 | ryouma | also, would that really do everything dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc would do? |
| 22:53.07 | cirilos | crestfallen, you know you have to enable the connection through NetworkManager.. also look here <https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager>, /etc/network/interfaces looks fine |
| 22:53.20 | ryouma | (i am using stretch) |
| 22:55.29 | rifataroo | Does it matter what audio controller you use or do I have to reconfigure something at the settings? |
| 22:55.42 | crestfallen | enable? do you mean from the cli after the gui settings are set? also, please verify that IPv4 is where I should be setting the ip address et al. also , I don't think I was able to get 'network-manager-gnome' to run yesterday. thanks cirilos |
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| 22:57.51 | karlpinc | ryouma: It's in the debconf-doc package. |
| 22:57.52 | cirilos | crestfallen, just type `ip a add <yourIP>/25 dev eno1` and then `ip route add <yourIP/25> via <yourGW>` and then check with `ping 1.1.1.1`, for a temporary solution |
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| 22:58.24 | ryouma | karlpinc: will try |
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| 22:59.04 | xormor | Linux penguin 4.19.69-06666-g6c4f8cbba24e #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Sep 6 22:15:24 PDT 2019 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:59.26 | cirilos | crestfallen, for a persistent solution outside NetworkManager, look here <https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration> |
| 22:59.38 | crestfallen | cirilos: ok going to machine thanks kindly, hopefully you'll be around in a few minutes.. |
| 22:59.47 | cirilos | Linux turink 5.2.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.2.17-1 (2019-09-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 23:03.16 | ryouma | karlpinc: what did you want me to look at there? in reality i have 2 problems. (1) i want to do as described (i.e. programmatically run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc with a defined answer to the question of which drive to install to) and (2) stretchf or some reason is throwing up whiptail ansi sequences in a dumb terminal. |
| 23:03.26 | ryouma | i.e. which part of man page? |
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| 23:04.50 | karlpinc | ryouma: I'm not paying close attention to you but IIRC at least one of your questions is addressed by the part of the docs that describe the "front end" choice, which includes some sort of "none" for automatic configuration. |
| 23:06.52 | karlpinc | ryouma: "dumb terminals" accept ansi sequences. Which sequences are sent depends on your TERM env var, and the associated termcap entry. You may need to set the right terminal type. |
| 23:06.54 | cinesc | hi there |
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| 23:07.02 | karlpinc | !ask |
| 23:07.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 23:07.44 | ryouma | karlpinc: yeah i use the frontend that isn't supposed to be a tui but just plain text. and term is set to dumb. literally. it is emacs shell mode. |
| 23:07.50 | ryouma | (comint, not terminal) |
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| 23:09.16 | ryouma | lol at "Debâ conf's author prefers to not comment regarding the circumstances that led to this frontend being written." |
| 23:09.24 | karlpinc | ryouma: Who knows what kind of terminal emacs thinks it is. (Probably gets it from the shell that invokes it, normally.) Anyway, thought I could help by sending pointers your way. |
| 23:09.58 | cinesc | is the commands for raspian the same as in usual debian? |
| 23:10.05 | karlpinc | !raspian |
| 23:10.06 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 23:10.23 | cinesc | thank you |
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| 23:10.30 | karlpinc | cinesc: We don't know raspian. A whole lot-o-linux is the same, until it's not. |
| 23:10.35 | karx | cinesc mostly |
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| 23:16.31 | crestfallen | cirilos: |
| 23:17.06 | ryouma | karlpinc: actually i think that dpkg-reconfigure should read TERM and figure out that it should NOT use whuiptail or whatever. it should drop down to noninteractive. previous versions of debian did this. but i will try --debian-frontend. but that still does not solve the problem of programmatically running dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc. even if it were ok to do it manually, the noninteractive frontend lacks any indi |
| 23:17.06 | ryouma | cation of what the default setting is, unlike the tui. |
| 23:17.16 | crestfallen | thanks kindly I'm getting this error: invalid prefix for given prefix length. let me paste the output... |
| 23:17.37 | ryouma | karlpinc: it's a dumb terminal that can do ansi colors and curl updates and stuff but not much more |
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| 23:19.26 | crestfallen | cirilos: I double-checked the ip and router nums https://imgur.com/a/vKrBPND << this is the output |
| 23:19.32 | karlpinc | ryouma: FWIW, man dpkg-reconfigure says to use debconf-show to see the "current configuration". |
| 23:20.28 | cirilos | crestfallen, `ip route <IP>/25 via <GW>/25` |
| 23:20.54 | karlpinc | ryouma: You might consider working with buster, just because sooner or later you'll need to upgrade and maybe some of your problems are already resolved. |
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| 23:21.58 | crestfallen | cirilos: to be sure, is that 'ip route add ...' or should I drop the 'add' ? |
| 23:22.13 | cirilos | crestfallen, `ip route add <IP>/25 via <GW>/25` sorry |
| 23:22.22 | crestfallen | excellent thanks! |
| 23:22.44 | cirilos | crestfallen, this is temporary |
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| 23:23.15 | cirilos | crestfallen, it will not preserve on reboot |
| 23:23.43 | crestfallen | ok hopfully you can walk me through it . those debian pages are pretty intimidating |
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| 23:24.01 | cirilos | crestfallen, no they are not! |
| 23:24.44 | crestfallen | pls stand by if you have time |
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| 23:32.38 | crestfallen | cirilos: Error: Inet address is expected rather than "128.32.176.120/25" |
| 23:33.01 | `w | Do you add a path to .bashrc or .profile? |
| 23:33.09 | crestfallen | correction "128.32.176.129/25" |
| 23:33.29 | karx | `w, what do you mean by path? |
| 23:33.30 | ryouma | karlpinc: yes, as i wrote, debconf-show will show it. but that's not the same as doing programmatically what dpkg-reconfigure does. i should upgrade to buster, but it is an intimidating dist-upgrade with various things youh ave to do and check. |
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| 23:34.21 | jhutchins | ,v checksvc |
| 23:34.22 | judd | No package named 'checksvc' was found in amd64. |
| 23:34.41 | jhutchins | ,v chkservice |
| 23:34.42 | judd | Package: chkservice on amd64 -- buster: 0.1-3; bullseye: 0.1-3+b1; sid: 0.1-3+b1 |
| 23:35.02 | jhutchins | systemd compatible replacement for chkconfig |
| 23:35.28 | `w | karx, path to a binary I'm guessing. I have a go installation and the command go does nothing, github says to export GOPATH in your .bash_profile except my installation has none. I have a .bashrc and .profile. |
| 23:36.18 | crestfallen | the tech guy where I work called it 'router 128.32.176.129' not gateway. Am I entering the right number cirilos ? |
| 23:37.01 | crestfallen | ok it must be right |
| 23:37.54 | `w | karx, .profile did nothing I'm assuming it.s .bashrc. |
| 23:38.40 | karx | `w, .bash_profile and .bashrc are specific to bash, whereas .profile is read by many shells in the absence of their own shell-specific config files. If you need to set a variable as your Go installation path, you could put it in .bashrc - but be sure to backup your .bashrc first! |
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| 23:39.36 | crestfallen | I mean it must be the router (gw) number .. this is what I did to get that error '$ ip route add 128.32.176.159/25 via 128.32.176.129/25' |
| 23:40.12 | crestfallen | Error: Inet address is expected rather than "128.32.176.129/25" |
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| 23:44.00 | cirilos | crestfallen, try `ip route add 128.32.176.129/25 dev eno1` |
| 23:44.13 | karx | `w, any luck yet? |
| 23:44.32 | crestfallen | ok thanks |
| 23:48.00 | `w | karx, yeah I got it. thanks for the explanation. |
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| 23:49.42 | crestfallen | `ip route add 128.32.176.129/25 dev eno1` > Error: invalid prefix for give prefix length << sorry cirilos the same error as earlier.. :( |
| 23:49.58 | crestfallen | given* |
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| 23:51.25 | crestfallen | what is going on what a disaster |
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| 23:56.28 | Habbie | crestfallen, a /25 network ends in .0 or .128, not .129 |
| 23:56.42 | Habbie | crestfallen, in your case, i bet it's .128 :) |
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| 23:57.50 | crestfallen | cirilos: Habbie my mask is apparently 255.255.255.128 |
| 23:57.55 | crestfallen | the router as well? |
| 23:58.37 | Habbie | crestfallen, that mask matches /25 |
| 23:58.46 | cirilos | Habbie, so it would be like `ip route add 128.32.176.128/25 via 128.32.176.129` ?? |
| 23:58.58 | crestfallen | there's another issue. I think $ route -n returned 'command not found' |
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| 23:59.07 | Habbie | crestfallen, that's okay, 'ip route' can do all you need |
| 23:59.13 | Habbie | cirilos, probably |
| 23:59.14 | crestfallen | ok |
| 23:59.46 | crestfallen | but Habbie that ends with 129 above .. |
| 23:59.54 | Habbie | hmm? |
