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| 00:18.58 | hizkia | tes |
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| 00:19.21 | mason | She's not here. |
| 00:19.30 | hizkia | hi |
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| 00:25.34 | hizkia | hi |
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| 00:29.08 | hizkia | ea |
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| 00:35.08 | wondiws | how do I set up a cross compiling toolchain for i686? |
| 00:35.37 | wondiws | I installed several packages, but it seems the 32bit compiler uses the headers from 64bit and I get errors |
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| 01:14.35 | wondiws | never mind :) |
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| 01:23.02 | svendre | Hi, I'd like to voice my opinion: I think Debian should let ZFS into the installer. I know the license difers a bit, but it's worth it. Already users can opt-in for non-free drivers if they choose. As long as it's an option, and people are allowed to choose, what is the harm? Noting that Ubuntu is just about ready with their installer (in daily download now I guess). I really like running SID but this is a big thing. |
| 01:23.33 | svendre | And ZFS is still open source, unlike some of the non-free drivers we still currently need on occassion. |
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| 01:26.26 | mason | svendre: SPI being in America, the situation is mildly different from what Canonical faces. |
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| 01:45.09 | oliverfriedmann | Hi! I am trying to configure a Quectel EC25 Broadband device to provide internet on my Debian 10.1. I am playing around with qmicli but don't get super far. It does seem to communicate with the device, but the commands to start the network end in "QMI protocol error (26): 'NoEffect'". Also, setting up the corresponding if gives me trouble as dhcp complains 'Unsupported device ty |
| 01:45.09 | oliverfriedmann | pe 65534 for "wwp0s20f0u1i4"'. Any idea or pointers? |
| 01:45.32 | SerajewelKS | svendre: to be fair, if you know how to set up ZFS you can probably do so from the command line |
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| 03:41.34 | mason | SerajewelKS: Doing it for root is significantly thornier. |
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| 04:43.17 | amosbird | Hello, is there any tool that can create a fancy effect on the screen when CapsLock is active? |
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| 05:31.10 | loolzec | hi |
| 05:32.22 | loolzec | can't you help me |
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| 05:32.51 | loolzec | p |
| 05:33.06 | loolzec | I'm from indonesia |
| 05:33.19 | annadane | loolzec, hi |
| 05:33.23 | annadane | just ask your question |
| 05:34.04 | diogenes_ | salamat and don't use 'enter' as puctuation. |
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| 05:35.15 | mrmaks | Hi. How to fix text display in wine under debian (https://imgur.com/V1CXZ99)? In ubuntu it displays correctly (https://imgur.com/gsrp6Xy) |
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| 05:36.43 | loolzec | My Linux is very slow. What is the I can do to speed things up boot? |
| 05:36.53 | psychoticwarrior | is mx linux based off of debian? |
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| 05:37.20 | loolzec | debian |
| 05:38.02 | annadane | psychoticwarrior, yes |
| 05:38.05 | annadane | !mx linux |
| 05:38.06 | dpkg | Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/. |
| 05:38.08 | psychoticwarrior | awesome |
| 05:38.10 | psychoticwarrior | :) |
| 05:38.26 | psychoticwarrior | ok gotcha |
| 05:38.48 | psychoticwarrior | does kali linux usually messs up with kernels and stuff |
| 05:38.56 | psychoticwarrior | kali linux break easily? |
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| 05:39.31 | themill | you'd have to ask them |
| 05:39.32 | diogenes_ | loolzec, what do you mean slow? |
| 05:40.03 | annadane | i'd not recommend kali as a beginner unix user |
| 05:40.08 | annadane | it's a specialized thing |
| 05:40.10 | psychoticwarrior | yes i agree |
| 05:40.13 | annadane | if you were considering using it |
| 05:40.36 | psychoticwarrior | no i used it for a while then the kernel that i installed had issues |
| 05:40.46 | psychoticwarrior | so it stopped working |
| 05:40.47 | annadane | but yeah, we can't know what kali does; ask them |
| 05:40.55 | psychoticwarrior | kali sucks |
| 05:42.03 | psychoticwarrior | we know that kali is a bad environment |
| 05:42.51 | annadane | ...well, it's a pentester distro, for experts, so like, it depends what you want out of it |
| 05:42.57 | annadane | it's not a desktop OS |
| 05:43.14 | annadane | anyway, this is now officially off topic |
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| 06:15.04 | inari | Trying to fix grub on a dual boot system after a windows update ruined it. |
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| 06:17.14 | inari | I haven't tried that yet, but everything else I do keeps returning grub-install errors. |
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| 06:18.58 | inari | So far I've managed to recreate the entire system, but when i try to mount the ESP to /mnt/system/boot it just mounts over everything already in boot. |
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| 06:22.18 | inari | That should be "before I run grub-install".. |
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| 06:39.26 | RoyK | inari: ES? |
| 06:39.29 | RoyK | inari: ESP? |
| 06:40.03 | inari | Efi System Partition |
| 06:40.15 | RoyK | ok |
| 06:42.22 | inari | Key point is that I'm trying to mount the EFI folder on /dev/sdXX to /mnt/system/boot/efi without overmounting the other stuff in /mnt/system/boot. |
| 06:42.49 | inari | Then chroot /mnt/system/ and grub-install. |
| 06:43.11 | inari | Is that what bind is for in mount? |
| 06:44.09 | inari | And yeah, next time i will backup the contents of ESP |
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| 07:43.31 | jelly | inari_: my experience with UEFI systems is windows does not really break anything, it just resets the order of efi boot entries and you can still pick debian's grub at boot time (and tell it to be the chosen default with efibootmgr tool) |
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| 07:44.38 | jelly | dual boot with uefi (on this particular thinkpad) is much nicer than dual boot with legacy, where windows would sometimes just overwrite the MBR code with its own |
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| 07:47.55 | inari | jelly: could you repeat that? |
| 07:48.38 | inari | :/ |
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| 07:52.20 | annadane | https://paste.debian.net/1105656/ |
| 07:52.40 | annadane | inari, ^ |
| 07:53.23 | inari | Thanks |
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| 07:54.03 | enoq | what is the difference between https://packages.debian.org/de/buster/postgresql-11-postgis-2.5 |
| 07:54.09 | enoq | and https://packages.debian.org/de/buster/postgis |
| 07:54.20 | jelly | inari: my experience with UEFI systems is windows does not really break anything, it just resets the order of efi boot entries and you can still pick debian's grub at boot time (and tell it to be the chosen default with efibootmgr tool) |
| 07:54.39 | enoq | I'm trying to upgrade to postgres 12 in my stretch docker image |
| 07:55.10 | enoq | the container that I forked requires postgresql-11-postgis-2.5 |
| 07:55.29 | enoq | sicne postgis is just an extension it should work fine with postgres 12 as well right? |
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| 07:55.47 | choice | Does anybody know if it is possible to make wget ask for username and password? |
| 07:56.11 | jelly | choice: provide username within the URL and it will ask for a password |
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| 07:56.45 | jelly | https://username@host/path |
| 07:57.39 | inari | jelly: yes, it seems to just reference the wrong partition |
| 07:57.49 | choice | jelly: But I want it to ask for *both*, username and password. |
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| 07:58.51 | halps | i installed a 2nd debian install and chose not to install grub, update-grub ran on 1st distro added entry for 2nd distro but 2nd distro boot seems to ignore kernel parameters in grub.cfg...any ideas? |
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| 07:59.53 | _ioannis | Hello peeps! |
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| 08:00.06 | _ioannis | I'm still having some bridge issues with a VM, anyone up for helping out ? |
| 08:00.08 | jelly | choice: and I want a pony, but sometimes the only thing I can have is a shell wrapper and a wooden toy |
| 08:00.25 | _ioannis | this is my setup currently |
| 08:00.27 | _ioannis | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/feddde61/ |
| 08:00.38 | choice | I wonder if there is a quick bash oneliner to fix that? Something like this? pw=readline; web --user=$pw ... |
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| 08:02.22 | jelly | choice: bash has a "read" builtin command, you could "read username" and use "$username" afterwards. posix sh has it as well. |
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| 08:04.25 | choice | jelly: Yup! This works: echo -n "User: "; IFS= read -r user; wget --user=$user --ask-password |
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| 08:05.43 | jelly | right |
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| 08:06.34 | jelly | choice: remember to doublequote your variable expansions. --user="$user" or funny things will happen if there's whitespace in there |
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| 08:08.03 | ihristov | _ioannis What is the problem exactly? |
| 08:08.11 | _ioannis | so I've setup bridge0 |
| 08:08.14 | ihristov | You don't have internet connection on the virtuals? |
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| 08:08.25 | _ioannis | I don't have access to the local network on the virtuals |
| 08:08.48 | _ioannis | surprisingly I do get internet access somehow |
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| 08:09.07 | _ioannis | https://imgur.com/7PXFRT3 |
| 08:09.16 | choice | jelly: jelly ok |
| 08:09.18 | _ioannis | but the interface is setup as bridge for the VM |
| 08:10.14 | ihristov | Can you post the bridges data |
| 08:10.26 | ihristov | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.51 | _ioannis | dang it didn't i in the paste? :P |
| 08:11.08 | _ioannis | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/d65900fe/ |
| 08:11.27 | _ioannis | I'm using Cockpit to control everything mostly btw |
| 08:12.11 | ihristov | You have three different bridges, bridge0 is you local network as you said, the other two are in different segments |
| 08:12.27 | _ioannis | the other two shouldn't be an issue though |
| 08:12.37 | _ioannis | one is definitely docker |
| 08:12.50 | _ioannis | my irssi session is in docker either way :D |
| 08:12.58 | ihristov | If you want access from the other bridge VMs you have to masqurade the traffic |
| 08:13.39 | _ioannis | can you explain? I didn't see anything like that in any guides |
| 08:13.54 | ihristov | Can you paste iptables -nvL -t nat |
| 08:14.03 | ihristov | paste the result* |
| 08:14.48 | _ioannis | https://paste.debian.net/1105662/ |
| 08:15.20 | _ioannis | oh btw |
| 08:15.44 | _ioannis | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/9e82eb5c/ |
| 08:16.02 | _ioannis | I'm running the VM right now |
| 08:16.12 | _ioannis | and I do not know why more bridge0 showed up |
| 08:16.18 | _ioannis | wth |
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| 08:18.33 | _ioannis | why is this so difficult :( |
| 08:19.20 | ihristov | Because you're mixing multiple VM technologies, interfaces and so on :) |
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| 08:19.34 | ihristov | The config for docker is fine, I suppose you don't have problems with the docker vms right |
| 08:19.42 | _ioannis | yes no problems at all |
| 08:19.49 | _ioannis | I do not need them to access the local network either way |
| 08:19.58 | _ioannis | so they are behind a NAT |
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| 08:20.08 | _ioannis | from my understanding |
| 08:20.13 | ihristov | The problem with others is that only some ports are masqueraded |
| 08:20.28 | _ioannis | ok give me a sec, I'll shut down dockers |
| 08:20.35 | _ioannis | perhaps it'll make it easier |
| 08:20.40 | _ioannis | brb |
| 08:20.51 | ihristov | All network segments on bridge0 and virbr0 are NATed regarding you local network |
| 08:21.22 | ihristov | Otherwise you must put the VMs on bridge0 and use the DHCP to get addresses on those |
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| 08:21.50 | _ioannis | wait |
| 08:21.56 | _ioannis | didn't see what you wrote |
| 08:22.11 | ihristov | All network segments on bridge0 and virbr0 are NATed regarding you local network |
| 08:22.13 | _ioannis | ok shutting down the dockers did nothing |
| 08:22.18 | _ioannis | :D |
| 08:22.20 | ihristov | Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/20ef3f37f773bcd200b07a0c1496787d/pasted.txt |
| 08:22.24 | ihristov | Otherwise you must put the VMs on bridge0 and use the DHCP to get addresses on those |
| 08:22.31 | _ioannis | I did |
| 08:22.33 | _ioannis | and it doesn't work |
| 08:22.45 | _ioannis | that's what is driving me crazy |
| 08:22.52 | _ioannis | bridge0 looks working fine |
| 08:22.57 | _ioannis | I setup bridge0 for VM |
| 08:23.10 | _ioannis | still doesn't see dhcp or communicate with anything in the local network |
| 08:24.03 | _ioannis | BUT |
| 08:24.04 | _ioannis | ok |
| 08:24.09 | _ioannis | this is nuts |
| 08:24.12 | _ioannis | IPv6 works |
| 08:24.14 | _ioannis | IPv4 doesn't |
| 08:24.21 | ihristov | You already defined bridge0 for your server right, you must add the interface of the VM to the bridge |
| 08:24.23 | _ioannis | so I can ping it from my network just fine |
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| 08:24.29 | _ioannis | but IPv4 doesn't work |
| 08:24.31 | _ioannis | I used IPv6 |
| 08:24.32 | ihristov | :D |
| 08:24.33 | ihristov | Great |
| 08:24.36 | ihristov | :D :D |
| 08:24.37 | _ioannis | WHY?! |
| 08:24.53 | _ioannis | faints |
| 08:25.30 | _ioannis | hmm I also setup a static IP |
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| 08:25.35 | _ioannis | IPv4 |
| 08:25.42 | _ioannis | I can ping IPv4 from host |
| 08:25.48 | _ioannis | but not from local network |
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| 08:25.56 | _ioannis | (ping/ssh the works) |
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| 08:26.09 | ihristov | From the host but not from the local network, understood |
| 08:26.26 | _ioannis | oh no wait something... |
| 08:26.31 | ihristov | What kind of VMs are those? |
| 08:26.37 | ihristov | Virtualbox or? |
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| 08:26.39 | _ioannis | no wait. |
| 08:26.41 | _ioannis | It works |
| 08:26.44 | _ioannis | :/ |
| 08:26.49 | ihristov | :D |
| 08:27.05 | _ioannis | I'm sorry ok, let me just restart everything |
| 08:27.08 | _ioannis | to see what happens |
| 08:27.11 | _ioannis | brb |
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| 08:29.58 | _ioannis | ok let's see! |
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| 08:32.49 | _ioannis | nope... |
| 08:32.54 | _ioannis | it doesn't work now |
| 08:34.16 | _ioannis | OK. so I restarted everything |
| 08:34.31 | _ioannis | and it I can ping from my network using IPV6 but not IPV4 address |
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| 09:15.47 | chip | we need to talk about openconnect |
| 09:16.03 | user8 | good evening, have a problem with sudo that keep asking password even when i configure visudo to prevent prompting pass |
| 09:16.43 | ratrace | user8: how did you configure it? pastebin pls |
| 09:16.56 | user8 | here the line: backupadmin ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
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| 09:19.49 | user8 | i will pastebin sudoer |
| 09:20.28 | ratrace | user8: try ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL as I'm not sure ALL:ALL is valid |
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| 09:21.22 | user8 | i will remove extra ALL and see |
| 09:21.42 | ratrace | user8: but then, why just not use root :) |
| 09:22.35 | user8 | visudo only works with root |
| 09:23.00 | ratrace | user8: no, I mean, why not log in as root, if you'll have a "backupadmin" account that essentially can sudo around unconstrained with password |
| 09:24.15 | user8 | well this is a clever point |
| 09:25.19 | humpled | still useful to keep your user account with its own file ownerships, bin folder and path |
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| 09:26.51 | user8 | i shall wipe the admin user and put the cron jobs in root |
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| 09:27.25 | ratrace | personally I see no advantage of NOPASSWD:ALL . if you want to remove the annoyance of password prompts that expire, just log in as regular backupadmin and go sudo -i to become proper root. its' better, (marginally) more secure, and you get to keep the unconstrained user account. |
| 09:29.32 | ratrace | user8: if that's for cron only then you haven't achievened any security advantage, yeah just use root's crontab. alternatively, limit backupadmin to passwordless sudo only the set of commands run by the crontab |
| 09:29.48 | ratrace | %s/achievened/achieved/ lol |
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| 09:32.14 | user8 | i havent realized that sudo could be restrained to a limited set of commands for a given user |
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| 09:32.48 | ratrace | user8: well yeah, you list them after NOPASSWD: instead of the ALL alias |
| 09:34.01 | ratrace | and not only commands (execution paths actually) but arguments to them as well |
| 09:35.09 | user8 | i will try and give the feedback later tnks |
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| 09:45.03 | wondiws | when my (Xfce) desktop opens Skype starts up automatically. How can I prevent this? |
| 09:46.26 | amerigo | edit xinitrc |
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| 09:50.08 | asymptotically | wondiws: go to the applications menu, settings, and open session and startup. navigate to the application autostart tab, and you should see a checkbox for skype :) |
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| 09:50.47 | wondiws | asymptotically, you're right :P |
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| 09:54.12 | BCMM | wondiws: the skype package probably put a .desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart/ |
| 09:54.28 | asymptotically | i don't think you should delete or modify that .desktop file though |
| 09:54.32 | BCMM | which would be why it's happening without you explicitly enabling it |
| 09:54.47 | wondiws | BCMM, I don't think so, I don't see it there |
| 09:54.56 | wondiws | there isn't an icon for Skype on my desktop either |
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| 09:56.56 | BCMM | also possible that the skype client adds something to ~/.config/autostart on first run |
| 09:57.35 | wondiws | BCMM, yes, there's a skypeforlinux.desktop file there |
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| 10:01.46 | StyXman | I have a XML file with lots of entities defined in other files, does anyone know of a tool that could read them all and generate a de-referenced xml? |
| 10:02.09 | StyXman | I was thinking in something like xml2xml, but that doesn't exist |
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| 10:13.12 | user8 | well now what i did: backupadmin ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/local/adminscripts/ ...but the prompt to password still appears |
| 10:14.04 | user8 | must be non interactively because is a cronjob |
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| 10:16.58 | ratrace | user8: you can't put a directory as Cmnd, but you can use wildcards, so try ...adminscripts/* |
| 10:17.33 | user8 | ok |
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| 10:18.50 | user8 | ratrace: still asks for pass |
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| 10:19.38 | ratrace | user8: ah, add the shell path to the Cmnd list too, for the shell your script is using |
| 10:20.17 | ratrace | user8: eg. ... NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/bash , /usr/local/adminscripts/* |
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| 10:20.41 | user8 | inside the script may i sudo with the password inside the script? |
| 10:20.53 | ratrace | sorry, what? |
| 10:21.03 | user8 | i mean |
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| 10:21.33 | user8 | the command sudo can contain the password to prevent the prompt? |
| 10:22.02 | ratrace | no, you just need the correct sudoer entry |
| 10:23.33 | user8 | ratrace: well the problem it thar sudoer is not applying the NOPASSWD |
| 10:24.00 | ratrace | user8: even with the shell in the cmnd list? |
| 10:25.30 | user8 | how i do this? |
| 10:26.17 | ratrace | user8: "12:20 < ratrace> user8: eg. ... NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/bash , /usr/local/adminscripts/*" |
| 10:26.32 | ratrace | this assumes you're using bash for your scripts |
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| 10:26.45 | user8 | yes is bash |
| 10:28.52 | user8 | the bash is in command list but still asks for password |
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| 10:29.57 | ratrace | user8: then you're not giving complete information here. can you pastebin first few lines of one such script? |
| 10:30.49 | user8 | #!/bin/bash |
| 10:30.49 | user8 | echo "Hello World" |
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| 10:31.28 | user8 | -rwx------ 1 root root 31 out 10 06:55 hello.sh |
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| 10:34.01 | ratrace | user8: pastebin your sudoers file please |
| 10:34.08 | user8 | ok |
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| 10:35.23 | jelly | user8: you can use sudo inside a script, sure |
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| 10:36.28 | user8 | https://paste.debian.net/1105681/ |
| 10:36.30 | ayekat | no need to put bash in the sudoers line, though - the sudo part comes before the part where the OS decides it's a bash script |
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| 10:38.20 | ratrace | user8: put the "backupadmin..." sudoer line AFTER %sudo line |
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| 10:39.18 | ratrace | ayekat: indeed it seems so. I could swear I had to do it in the past, maybe it was for specific circumstances I now forgot about |
| 10:40.24 | ratrace | however, this ordering is important because last match is used. if backupadmin is in the sudo group, then the %sudo line will be matched last, if backupadmin is above it. |
| 10:40.51 | ratrace | so uh yeah then either order it like that or dont put backupadmin in the sudo group |
| 10:41.28 | user8 | ratrace: WORKED! :) |
| 10:41.59 | ratrace | user8: ideally create a sudoer file just for backupadmin in /etc/sudoers.d/ and be sure you've read the README there |
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| 10:43.17 | user8 | thank you |
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| 11:11.14 | _ioannis | so hi again, I'm having this weird issue with my bridge interface. I'm using Cockpit for VMs and Docker, (for VMs it's using libvirt/qemu iirc) |
| 11:11.23 | _ioannis | I've setup a bridge , which seems to be working |
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| 11:11.39 | _ioannis | host is working fine, but guest is not accessible from local network |
| 11:11.57 | _ioannis | the weird part is that the guest is accessible (I can ping or SSH) using an IPv6 address |
| 11:12.07 | _ioannis | but not the IPv4 address I've set for it. |
| 11:12.14 | _ioannis | These are my settings: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/56a26e05/ |
| 11:12.31 | _ioannis | (interfaces,bridges,ip addr, brctl show, iptables) |
| 11:12.32 | grady | hi there, where i can put my xset command, if i want that they work also on lightdm? |
| 11:12.57 | grady | systemwide place? |
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| 11:14.38 | grady | i want disable beeper so, everytime users use example a backspace too many times, it will beep and loud :D |
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| 11:16.16 | diogenes_ | grady, if you want to mute it completely then you have to blacklist pcspkr module. |
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| 11:16.41 | grady | i dont know how to blacklist devices :/ |
| 11:17.35 | jelly | !bell |
| 11:17.36 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell bug>. |
| 11:19.29 | grady | i use xset b, but it needed to be run before logins |
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| 11:19.53 | inari | swapon before or after chroot? |
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| 11:20.46 | ratrace | flips a coin..... Before! |
| 11:20.57 | jelly | inari: if you're doing temporary work and plan to fix things and reboot soon, you don't have to enable it at all |
| 11:21.47 | jelly | it does not matter, otherwise, but you're going to need to have /dev bind-mounted into the chroot if you want it to work there |
| 11:21.56 | diogenes_ | grady, run: sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/nobeep.conf and add there thie following line: blacklist pcspkr then reboot. |
| 11:22.39 | inari | jelly: thank you and, yes, thanks for reminder! |
| 11:23.13 | inari | along with proc bound? |
| 11:23.56 | grady | diogenes_: i try :) |
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| 11:25.35 | grady | diogenes_: thanks, it worked :) so thats how i can blacklist devices \o/ |
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| 11:26.06 | diogenes_ | grady, yes. |
| 11:26.22 | ratrace | via kernel command line in grub works too |
| 11:26.41 | grady | no grubs |
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| 11:27.06 | ratrace | via kernel command line in <whichever invokes the kernel> works too ;) |
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| 11:41.12 | _ioannis | anyone network savvy to help out with my weird issue? |
| 11:42.54 | ratrace | _ioannis: not unless you explain your issue first. |
| 11:43.11 | _ioannis | I did but a lot has happened. :D |
| 11:43.14 | _ioannis | ok! |
| 11:43.41 | _ioannis | I'm using Cockpit and I have setup a VM (iirc it uses libvrt/QEMU) |
| 11:43.48 | _ioannis | I have a bridge setup for that VM |
| 11:44.09 | _ioannis | I can ping/ssh from my local network to the Guest using only Ipv6 address |
| 11:44.22 | _ioannis | this is my config |
| 11:44.30 | _ioannis | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/56a26e05/ |
| 11:44.48 | _ioannis | interfaces/bridge/ip addr/brctl show/ip route/iptables |
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| 11:45.12 | _ioannis | I've setup static IPv4 address for the VM( guest ) but I still can't access it through the local network |
| 11:45.24 | _ioannis | the Host can actually access it using IPv4 |
| 11:45.33 | _ioannis | but not my other PCs in the network |
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| 11:45.46 | _ioannis | the rest of the PCs in the work can access it using IPv6 just fine |
| 11:45.50 | _ioannis | network* |
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| 11:47.06 | _ioannis | that about covers it ratrace |
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| 11:51.46 | Is2deb | ratrace: you solved me a problem i was mad to fix. In debt. |
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| 11:53.04 | B|ack0p | hi. |
| 11:53.10 | B|ack0p | i am having this error on dmesg: |
| 11:53.12 | B|ack0p | [ 2.785228] [drm:intel_cpu_fifo_underrun_irq_handler [i915]] *ERROR* CPU pipe B FIFO underrun |
| 11:54.34 | ratrace | Is2deb: what problem? |
| 11:55.18 | colo-work | B|ack0p, sounds like a question/problem for #intel-gfx |
| 11:55.31 | B|ack0p | not debian? |
| 11:55.53 | ratrace | _ioannis: if someone knows, they will help. Cockpit is not something I'm familiar with and probably not something anyone is using on Debian, so patience is required. Maybe put all of that into a pastebin and repost its URL from time to time, if nobody responds. |
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| 11:56.09 | Is2deb | ratrace: sudo |
| 11:56.19 | ratrace | Is2deb: ah, k :) |
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| 11:58.29 | _ioannis | ratrace: thanks for your time, it's not really Cockpit related to be honest, more like Networking I'd say |
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| 11:59.04 | _ioannis | I could have set it up the same way without it I mean :D |
| 11:59.28 | ratrace | _ioannis: doesn't cockpit set up networking, bridging, for the VMs? |
| 11:59.42 | _ioannis | yes but it's using the system's tools |
| 11:59.55 | ratrace | or what i'm trying to say is, when you use cockpit, you should let IT configure things? I could be mistaken |
| 12:00.22 | _ioannis | it doesn't really matter |
| 12:00.31 | _ioannis | if you click a button or type the command it's the same thing |
| 12:01.04 | _ioannis | it's NetworkManager, Virsh(libvirt/qemu) and system stuff |
| 12:01.11 | _ioannis | it doesn't manage anything, it uses these tools |
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| 12:02.37 | _ioannis | also everything checks out, the only thing I do not know is iptables |
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| 12:05.25 | Is2deb | some people get annoyed with vm but there are many hosts for business that work with it. rent a real machine is damn expensive. |
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| 12:35.07 | Is2deb | what happens when there is only one user loggedin and a job pkill him? |
| 12:36.33 | Is2deb | i mean |
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| 12:37.01 | Is2deb | the system keep on or shutdown? |
| 12:37.32 | mason | Is2deb: Experiment! |
| 12:37.50 | Is2deb | kkk good answer |
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| 12:45.29 | LmorThnEvr | i did because was a sandbox |
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| 12:46.12 | LmorThnEvr | kill the only logged dont shutdonw |
| 12:46.27 | greycat | congratulations |
| 12:46.46 | LmorThnEvr | babysteps |
| 12:48.43 | LmorThnEvr | really thinking deep was a silly question |
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| 12:49.29 | LmorThnEvr | but dont ever happened, so, dont hurt to ask |
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| 12:50.41 | greycat | The important thing to understand is that the operating system runs independently of whatever you, the end user, are doing. The kernel and the basic service processes are always there, before you login, and after you logout. |
| 12:51.26 | greycat | "pkilling" your processes is just a bad way of logging out. The end result is basically the same, except that you might leave some of your files in a broken state. |
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| 12:53.10 | StyXman | trying again after 3h: I have a XML file with lots of entities defined in other files, does anyone know of a tool that could read them all and generate a de-referenced xml? |
| 12:53.24 | greycat | There's an #xml channel that might know. |
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| 12:54.48 | Akuw | hi |
| 12:55.05 | StyXman | greycat: I also asked there, no answer so far |
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| 12:55.34 | Akuw | what happen when one computer lost NTP sync for 5 minutes, how the system is affected |
| 12:55.53 | Akuw | what happen when you have proccess using that NTP sync |
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| 12:55.57 | greycat | the clock will start to "drift" and become less and less accurate |
| 12:55.59 | StyXman | Akuw: depends on the hwclock, usually doesn't drift too much |
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| 12:56.32 | greycat | 5 minutes isn't very long, so I'd be surprised if it drifts by even 1 full second, but if your HW is flaky, it could |
| 12:56.33 | Akuw | but it becomes less accurate in 2 minutes ? or more |
| 12:56.36 | StyXman | unless the computre reboots and its batt is dead |
| 12:56.56 | Akuw | then there is no solution when server NTP is dowsn? |
| 12:56.59 | Akuw | down? |
| 12:57.05 | StyXman | Akuw: the speed at which it drift depends a lot on the hardware |
| 12:57.17 | greycat | in any case, the amount of drift should be small enough that when you restart the ntp service, ntp should be able to drift the clock back into precision fairly easily |
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| 12:57.31 | greycat | "solution" to what? |
| 12:57.31 | StyXman | if you can't reach an NTP server, you can't synch with anybody |
| 12:57.57 | Akuw | once NTP is up again all gets sync? |
| 12:58.06 | greycat | yes |
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| 12:58.52 | Akuw | that is the problem, the main NTP server sometimes lost connection i think |
| 12:59.13 | Akuw | in that case we can do nothing, only we have to make sure network connection is ok |
| 12:59.22 | greycat | but your other NTP servers are still running, so your clients should continue just fine, yes? |
| 12:59.59 | Akuw | i have 15 nodes ----> NTP 1 ---------> NTP Goverment |
| 13:00.23 | greycat | One of the reasons you have 3 or more NTP servers is simply because one of them might go down for a bit. But the main reason is so that, if one of them is actually giving *wrong* time info, the other two (or more) can outvote it. |
| 13:00.36 | Akuw | so i think sometimes link between Nodes to NTP 1 or NTP 1 to NTP Goverment is lost |
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| 13:01.01 | Akuw | then solution will be have redundancy |
| 13:01.09 | greycat | You are only drawing one linear connection. This isn't normal. You should have *multiple* servers. |
| 13:01.29 | Akuw | i am going to check now greycat |
| 13:01.32 | Akuw | wait |
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| 13:03.27 | de-facto | Is it possible to encrypt the entire filesystem and have it automatically receive the crypto key stored offsite in a cryptographically secure way? I guess it might be difficult to prove the authenticity of the unencrypted boot parts to the offsite key storage... |
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| 13:04.10 | greycat | Why would you do this? What does it buy you? If someone steals your machine, they can still boot it up and it will automatically decrypt itself. |
| 13:04.56 | de-facto | yeah thats the problem |
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| 13:06.25 | de-facto | i was just thinking if it somehow would be possible to protect VPS server systems from offline data leakage, e.g. when they swap the hdd on failure or such |
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| 13:08.34 | de-facto | just because "in the cloud" means its stored "somewhere else" and you dont know exactly where and on which hw |
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| 13:09.47 | LmorThnEvr | de-facto: burry all and cover with coffe |
| 13:10.03 | de-facto | lol |
| 13:10.49 | ratrace | de-facto: " e.g. when they swap the hdd on failure or such" -- yes that's a valid threat model for using FDE like you wanted, but not much more |
| 13:11.33 | de-facto | its quite a common scenario (cloud server et al), hence i would like to find a pattern to protect leakage of data on fs, but that means the crypto keys cant be on the same drive |
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| 13:13.39 | ratrace | de-facto: yes, they must not be. you can unlock drives over ssh from initramfs, and you can design other means to fetch keys in initramfs from your key servers |
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| 13:14.40 | ratrace | de-facto: however, if you're using a public VM, be aware that you're threatened by spectre and meltdown |
| 13:15.42 | de-facto | yes i know, cant do much against spectre/meltdown other than using latest software |
| 13:16.36 | de-facto | ideally i want to find a pattern which does the crypto key retrieval from offsite key storage automatically but i am not sure how to authenticate the legit system against clones as mentioned above |
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| 13:18.52 | ratrace | well you can not use public cloud :) if you're concerned about data leakage, the higher price of dedicated servers (and there's small dedicated servers available which are in the VM price range nowadays) is worth the trouble |
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| 13:20.25 | de-facto | yeah i know, and my concerns only apply for the "cloud"-alike systems (as in contrast to dedicated servers) |
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| 13:20.48 | ratrace | dedicated servers have the same threat model, for FDE. disks get replaced. |
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| 13:22.03 | de-facto | hmm yeah depends on the providers i guess, but could also be true for them then |
| 13:22.51 | LmorThnEvr | f*ck |
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| 13:23.15 | de-facto | how can offsite storage distinguish between the real system and a clone of it? IP address? |
| 13:23.24 | LmorThnEvr | this security talk is nonsense with NSA |
| 13:23.34 | ratrace | de-facto: it doesn't depend. disks break. sometimes you're luck and you get to zero them before you open a ticket for replacement, sometimes you're not. thus FDE to be sure always. |
| 13:23.40 | ratrace | *lucky |
| 13:24.14 | de-facto | yeah makes sense |
| 13:24.16 | ratrace | LmorThnEvr: so you're saying that people should stop locking their doors because there exist thieves with tools to pick any lock? |
| 13:25.47 | LmorThnEvr | ratrace: it is a tought that goes in loop, i u cant quit withou security |
| 13:26.13 | LmorThnEvr | is crazy |
| 13:26.16 | ratrace | can't parse that |
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| 13:28.37 | de-facto | i am not saying i want to protect against three letter agencies, i just want to make sure offline clones of my servers dont leak my filesystem even when booted offsite key should not be retrievable |
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| 13:30.02 | ratrace | de-facto: right. so LUKS'd root with initramfs unlocking is not hard. |
| 13:30.43 | LmorThnEvr | if the machine is not yours you are in danger |
| 13:31.02 | LmorThnEvr | staff of company can leak |
| 13:31.05 | ratrace | de-facto: but assuming only that threat model which you just metioned. that excludes verifying initramfs itself isn't trojaned to steal your keys |
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| 13:31.38 | de-facto | is there any mechanism in initramfs that could be able to prove the system is not a clone? I guess the offsite key storage only can see the servers ip address which does not seem much security imho |
| 13:32.13 | LmorThnEvr | i missed some points elswhere doing my stuff |
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| 13:33.21 | ratrace | de-facto: there isn't any, practically speaking, if you want remote access. |
| 13:34.05 | de-facto | yeah thread model would be they cloned the virtual hdd due to some migrations or hw failures without my knowledge or control and then the previous virtual hdd comes into malicious hands trying to decrypt the disk e.g. retrieve the offsite key |
| 13:35.10 | ratrace | de-facto: but in that case, the malicious hands can't re-use the IP of your currently working VM |
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| 13:35.47 | LmorThnEvr | since i get in knowlege US have acess to google , wtf, i have my life now in goole |
| 13:35.59 | LmorThnEvr | google wipe my but |
| 13:36.38 | LmorThnEvr | i am tired sorry to this security talk |
| 13:37.44 | ratrace | de-facto: point is, if you're the target of attack by someone who has physical access to your network infra and can clone your disk images and manipulate routing like that, you're out of luck. |
| 13:37.52 | de-facto | yeah i guess so as long as requests to the offsite key storage cant be made with faked ip address... thats why i would prefer some crypto mechanism proving the original authentic system, but i guess thats not possible |
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| 13:39.30 | ratrace | de-facto: you can't fake IP if you're using TCP. or, to be more precise, the attacker would have to control ALL the hops between those two machines, in order for fake IP to work over TCP |
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| 13:40.44 | ratrace | (this is assuming your VM is working and is accessible, so routing to that IP is not affected generally) |
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| 13:41.50 | de-facto | so what would be the best way in initramfs to retrieve keys from offsite storage via original ip restricted and encrypted TCP connection? |
| 13:41.58 | ratrace | de-facto: best thing you can do for now is don't use passive but active unlocking, over ssh. that's what we do. |
| 13:42.35 | ratrace | this assumes our DC provider is not the threat actor, and when I ssh to the server's IP, it really IS that server, and initramfs is not subverted. |
| 13:43.03 | ratrace | our threat model is really to encrypt data for disks leaving the server chassis, NOT for disks still running in the chassis. |
| 13:43.32 | de-facto | yeah once its online the key is on site of course |
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| 13:43.54 | ratrace | no, simply don't store the key anywhere, but activelly ssh into the initramfs and unlock the disk(s) |
| 13:45.20 | de-facto | but whats gained by doing it manually? sometimes providers do autoreboot their nodes and i would like it to come up automatically yet as secure as possible |
| 13:45.50 | Akuw | what tools are there to test NTP server ? |
| 13:45.52 | greycat | *There* is the fundamental problem. |
| 13:45.58 | Akuw | i mean, how is working, etc |
| 13:46.00 | greycat | Akuw: start with "ntpq -p" |
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| 13:46.59 | greycat | de-facto: *There* is the fundamental problem. If the machine contains enough information to boot on its own, then what was the point of encrypting anything? |
| 13:47.03 | LmorThnEvr | where is in sources.list http? |
| 13:47.07 | ratrace | de-facto: those two demands are contradicting. |
| 13:47.22 | greycat | !buster sources.list |
| 13:47.22 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 13:47.24 | greycat | LmorThnEvr: ^ |
| 13:47.34 | LmorThnEvr | S |
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| 13:48.28 | pluto | Hello |
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| 13:49.03 | LmorThnEvr | not loving |
| 13:49.11 | de-facto | ratrace, something like initramfs requesting keys via unencrypted TCP "unlock required". Then the offsite keyserver could SSH into the hardcoded IP of the rebooted server and provide the crypto key or such |
| 13:49.24 | pluto | I'm tryng deb 10 neinst, so I'm lookgin for a suggestion between Thunderbird or Claws-mail |
| 13:49.52 | Akuw | the only file to configure ntp is ntp.conf ? |
| 13:50.05 | greycat | Akuw: *what* are you trying to do? |
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| 13:51.04 | greycat | The literal answer to your question is "no". The single layer expanded answer is "see the FILES section in man ntpd". The fully expanded answer is "What are you trying to do?" |
| 13:51.53 | LmorThnEvr | the source without security is madness |
| 13:51.54 | Akuw | i need to know how many servers are there as redundancy |
| 13:52.16 | greycat | Yes, all of your peers ("servers") are defined in /etc/ntp.conf. |
| 13:52.39 | greycat | But ntp.conf can define a "pool" of peers, which may expand to several peers. |
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| 13:53.27 | greycat | If you're using a pool, it should show up with .POOL. in ntpq -p output. |
| 13:54.13 | greycat | LmorThnEvr: https://whydoesaptnotusehttps.com |
| 13:54.25 | LmorThnEvr | in your wiki deb there is no httpS |
| 13:54.30 | greycat | LIAR |
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| 13:54.42 | LmorThnEvr | fix me |
| 13:54.47 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org works just fine |
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| 13:55.34 | LmorThnEvr | man |
| 13:55.35 | ratrace | de-facto: that doesn't solve anything, your initramfs could be trojaned and that key stolen. and they can't fake the IP in such a way that you ssh-ing back would somehow mitigate it |
| 13:55.38 | Akuw | my in my ntp.conf i have --> server ntp busrt iburst prefer |
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| 13:55.46 | Akuw | ntp is in hosts |
| 13:56.03 | greycat | Akuw: only one "server" line? No other server lines? No "pool" lines? |
| 13:56.06 | Akuw | 2 lines more |
| 13:56.16 | Akuw | server 127.127.1.0 |
| 13:56.22 | greycat | that's loopback. |
| 13:56.24 | Akuw | and 127.127.1.0 |
| 13:56.34 | Akuw | stratum 9 |
| 13:56.37 | Akuw | ok |
| 13:56.45 | Akuw | then actually is only one server? |
| 13:56.50 | LmorThnEvr | lets cool down |
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| 13:57.27 | greycat | google gives me https://www.meinbergglobal.com/english/info/ntp.htm which says "To access its own system clock, also called the local clock , NTP uses the pseudo IP address 127.127.1.0." |
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| 13:57.46 | Akuw | ok |
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| 13:57.47 | greycat | I have no idea what that's for, but it's not helping you. Probably. |
| 13:57.56 | Akuw | no |
| 13:57.59 | LmorThnEvr | give wiki debian with httpS for sources |
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| 13:58.06 | Akuw | actually the server is ok |
| 13:58.07 | greycat | It sounds like someone decided "I will fool ntp into thinking there are 3 servers by looping back to myself twice!!" |
| 13:58.27 | Akuw | but what happen if i lost connection with that server? is the only one |
| 13:58.45 | greycat | In my network, I have 3 NTP servers set up. Those 3 machines use "pool" lines to contact hosts on the Internet. All the other hosts on my network use my 3 NTP servers. |
| 13:59.08 | LmorThnEvr | i shall try again in the url |
| 13:59.17 | greycat | LmorThnEvr: speak English clearly or I can't understand you. |
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| 13:59.38 | Akuw | greycat: why ntpq -p show me another ip ? |
| 14:00.05 | greycat | LmorThnEvr: if you mean "why is the wiki TELLING ME to use deb http://... instead of deb https://..." then I already TOLD YOU the page that explains why: https://whydoesaptnotusehttps.com |
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| 14:00.47 | LmorThnEvr | i got freezed for my complains, but are true |
| 14:01.52 | de-facto | ratrace, i am not sure i understand what you mean: if the original initramfs is trojaned i am lost even with manual login i guess. Since there seems no other way than sticking to the original server ip address i still am asking myself what the difference between a scripted and a manual unlock would be (other than checking for "does it make sense to unlock?" which i would have to answer with "yes" on autoreboot at some point anyhow) |
| 14:02.42 | LmorThnEvr | just put an S ? |
| 14:02.54 | LmorThnEvr | dint tyed |
| 14:03.15 | LmorThnEvr | lets try |
| 14:03.16 | greycat | LmorThnEvr: I am going to ignore you now, because you are irritating and probably a troll. |
| 14:03.23 | greycat | Have a nice day. |
| 14:03.25 | themill | LmorThnEvr: you can use https://deb.debian.org; it doesn't make you more secure, however. |
| 14:03.40 | LmorThnEvr | god... |
| 14:05.32 | LmorThnEvr | unusual for me |
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| 14:05.38 | LmorThnEvr | Atingido:1 https://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian buster InRelease |
| 14:05.51 | LmorThnEvr | cdn-aws ? |
| 14:06.02 | themill | yes |
| 14:06.08 | LmorThnEvr | in update |
| 14:06.36 | themill | Please try asking actual questions. |
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| 14:07.16 | LmorThnEvr | works with http and https, is a mistake |
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| 14:08.04 | LmorThnEvr | kill lack of security |
| 14:08.08 | themill | LmorThnEvr: Is there some other language you'd rather get help in? |
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| 14:09.00 | LmorThnEvr | themill: friend, if you dnt get annoyed here is ok. |
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| 14:09.26 | themill | LmorThnEvr: I ask because helping you in English isn't working. |
| 14:10.13 | LmorThnEvr | was found no S in wiki |
| 14:10.19 | LmorThnEvr | fool me |
| 14:10.22 | Akuw | greycat: is tere another place to search to determine if another NTP server is configured? |
| 14:10.30 | greycat | No. |
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| 14:12.16 | LmorThnEvr | after a long work without an httpS must reconcile with my OS |
| 14:12.35 | LmorThnEvr | BUT |
| 14:13.08 | LmorThnEvr | just wondering |
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| 14:16.37 | LmorThnEvr | http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian experimental InRelease |
| 14:17.12 | LmorThnEvr | with httpS in sources |
| 14:17.37 | LmorThnEvr | is it in release, kkk |
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| 14:17.45 | LmorThnEvr | mock me |
| 14:17.56 | themill | LmorThnEvr: Is there some other language you'd rather get help in? |
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| 14:19.05 | LmorThnEvr | themill: english is the future |
| 14:19.17 | themill | Yours is definitely not from the present. |
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| 14:20.07 | LmorThnEvr | themill: i cant communicate how can y answer that, eat |
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| 14:20.42 | LmorThnEvr | themill: and y |
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| 14:22.03 | LmorThnEvr | deb https://deb.debian.org/debian buster main |
| 14:22.18 | LmorThnEvr | Atingido:1 http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian experimental InRelease |
| 14:22.21 | LmorThnEvr | NO s |
| 14:22.36 | themill | LmorThnEvr: those two lines are unrelated |
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| 14:22.50 | LmorThnEvr | i gave what you wanted |
| 14:23.17 | themill | dpkg, br |
| 14:23.17 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 14:24.18 | LmorThnEvr | kicking the ball to ... |
| 14:24.33 | LmorThnEvr | good strategy |
| 14:24.40 | LmorThnEvr | is true |
| 14:24.47 | themill | It's hard to help when we don't share a common language. |
| 14:25.12 | LmorThnEvr | kicked about a second |
| 14:25.26 | LmorThnEvr | ifff i dont save me |
| 14:26.03 | LmorThnEvr | deb https://deb.debian.org/debian buster main |
| 14:26.03 | LmorThnEvr | deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main |
| 14:26.03 | LmorThnEvr | deb https://deb.debian.org/debian-security/ buster/updates main |
| 14:26.03 | LmorThnEvr | deb-src https://deb.debian.org/debian-security/ buster/updates main |
| 14:26.03 | LmorThnEvr | deb https://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates main |
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| 14:28.04 | humpled | the bot kicked you for pasting multiple lines at once LmorThnEvr, just a precaution |
| 14:28.07 | LmorThnEvr | i am way from b*ch |
| 14:28.30 | LmorThnEvr | just how to fix it |
| 14:28.43 | mason | LmorThnEvr: Try bpaste.net |
| 14:29.01 | themill | !show sources.list LmorThnEvr |
| 14:29.01 | dpkg | LmorThnEvr: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} |
| 14:29.14 | LmorThnEvr | copy and paste was my sin |
| 14:29.20 | obsview | Those should be http instead of https, no? |
| 14:29.20 | themill | LmorThnEvr: use a paste.debian.net |
| 14:30.25 | greycat | obsview: before I ignored him, he kept ranting about how we were all wrong, he was right, and we should change every wiki page (probably literally every wiki page on the planet, not just wiki.d.o) to use deb https://... because He Said So. |
| 14:30.56 | greycat | I gave him the explanation for why apt uses http. Twice. themill also tried to explain. |
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| 14:31.45 | obsview | greycat: got it |
| 14:32.58 | LmorThnEvr | greycat: is a fragile mistake |
| 14:33.19 | LmorThnEvr | for servers |
| 14:33.25 | LmorThnEvr | not users |
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| 14:34.14 | LmorThnEvr | lets see it again |
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| 14:35.12 | Akuw | greycat: in ntp.conf server ip is 10.33.203.99 but ntpq -p show 200.89.75.198 |
| 14:35.13 | Akuw | why |
| 14:35.44 | BCMM | LmorThnEvr: why do you want to use https? |
| 14:35.54 | greycat | You said previously that the ntp.conf file has THREE lines, and one of them has the hostname "ntp", not an IP address, and the other two lines are fake loopback IPs. |
| 14:36.01 | LmorThnEvr | dont believe that |
| 14:36.28 | Akuw | greycat: yes, but ntp is defined in /etc/hosts |
| 14:36.30 | LmorThnEvr | its only unsecurity for sure |
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| 14:36.54 | LmorThnEvr | make me sad |
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| 14:37.03 | greycat | I googled ntp pool 200.89.75.198 and very quickly learned that 200.89.75.198 is one of the IPs of south-america.pool.ntp.org |
| 14:37.27 | greycat | or... it was, at the time that google result was spidered. |
| 14:37.42 | BCMM | LmorThnEvr: debian has other security mechanisms for download packages |
| 14:37.45 | LmorThnEvr | all the wiki is ... administered.. |
| 14:37.56 | karlpinc | complete sentences |
| 14:37.58 | greycat | currently it appears to have been replaced by 200.89.75.197 in my current result set, but maybe it's a variable result set of more than 4 IPs, only 4 of which are handed out at a time. who knows. |
| 14:38.06 | karlpinc | !complete sentences |
| 14:38.06 | dpkg | please ask your questions in complete sentences. Other members of #debian are unlikely to spend the time to answer your questions if you cannot spend the time to ask them properly. If you are not good with English, we would be glad to help you find the Debian support channel for your native language. |
| 14:38.15 | Akuw | greycat: yes i did the same |
| 14:38.17 | BCMM | LmorThnEvr: "security" and "insecurity" are almost meaningless. what *specific* potential attack are you concerned about? |
| 14:38.30 | Akuw | then what we need is another NTP server connected to that server |
| 14:38.35 | Akuw | to get redundancy |
| 14:38.45 | LmorThnEvr | debian only bad as#es |
| 14:39.00 | karlpinc | Akuw: Really a network should have 3 ntp servers. You need a tiebreaker. |
| 14:39.00 | greycat | Akuw: have you tried reading the logs yet? Granted, it's hard with systemd because it doesn't store them properly and expires them too damned quickly, but... still. Worth trying. |
| 14:39.02 | BCMM | LmorThnEvr: if you are worried that an attacker will send you tampered packages, package signing prevents that |
| 14:39.19 | BCMM | LmorThnEvr: if you're worried that an attacker will find out what packages you are using, https does not prevent that |
| 14:39.23 | LmorThnEvr | BCMM: go |
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| 14:39.38 | Akuw | greycat: i will check log |
| 14:39.39 | Akuw | wait |
| 14:39.43 | LmorThnEvr | DO https |
| 14:39.54 | LmorThnEvr | for sake of users |
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| 14:40.08 | karlpinc | BCMM: Better to ignore him. |
| 14:40.16 | BCMM | LmorThnEvr: security is something you need to actually *think* about |
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| 14:40.30 | Akuw | loopstats and peerstats right ? |
| 14:40.42 | BCMM | LmorThnEvr: what potential attacks exist, and how can they be mitigated? |
| 14:40.51 | BCMM | just using things with "secure" in the name is not security. |
| 14:41.40 | themill | repeating lots of big words in English is not the same as the person reading them having good enough English to understand them. |
| 14:41.41 | LmorThnEvr | why complain in the adulthood for mistakes if it was done in whildhood? |
| 14:41.59 | BCMM | ... are you talking to us through Google Translate? |
| 14:42.04 | LmorThnEvr | do an S in sources |
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| 14:42.24 | themill | LmorThnEvr: you are welcome to use https URLs in your sources.list. We've already been through this. |
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| 14:42.54 | LmorThnEvr | Atingido:4 http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian experimental InRelease |
| 14:43.03 | themill | LmorThnEvr: so fix your sources.list |
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| 14:43.10 | LmorThnEvr | No S |
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| 14:43.22 | horribleprogram | If y'all can fix this for me I'd be pretty goddamn amazed |
| 14:43.43 | LmorThnEvr | thank you to fix the wiki |
| 14:44.08 | LmorThnEvr | one point compromised if sh*t |
| 14:44.10 | themill | LmorThnEvr: I won't since there is no point. |
| 14:44.18 | karlpinc | LmorThnEvr: If you think you have found a way to break debian's security file a bug against apt. |
| 14:44.41 | horribleprogram | I have a Debian 10 laptop, it has a Intel Corportation Centrina Advanced-N 6200 network card |
| 14:45.14 | BCMM | horribleprogram: do you have firmware-iwlwifi installed? |
| 14:45.31 | LmorThnEvr | when get fixed is candy |
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| 14:45.46 | horribleprogram | it works fine, everything's good, but I want to connect another usb network adapter, the TP-LINK Archer T2UH, which has the worst, unusable device drivers |
| 14:45.58 | horribleprogram | BCMM: yes :) that was one of the stack overflow suggestions |
| 14:46.12 | jelly | probably easier to point user insisting on https to https://deb.debian.org/debian-security/ or whatnot, than try explaining why it isn't such a big deal |
| 14:46.13 | karlpinc | LmorThnEvr: To avoid sounding stupid and wasting everybody's time first read: https://whydoesaptnotusehttps.com/ |
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| 14:46.30 | greycat | karlpinc: I already gave him that URL twice... |
| 14:46.31 | BCMM | i don't think explaining is going to work |
| 14:46.37 | BCMM | i don't think the user is even reading responses |
| 14:46.52 | horribleprogram | BCMM: I'm listening |
| 14:47.01 | BCMM | horribleprogram: don't worry. i didn't mean you. |
| 14:47.02 | karlpinc | BCMM: I thought I'd try before ignoring him. |
| 14:47.04 | horribleprogram | ahh |
| 14:47.23 | BCMM | horribleprogram: so the intel card works fine; it's just a problem with the tp-link? |
| 14:48.00 | horribleprogram | BCMM: yes, but this is a well-known problem, because the device drivers they give you don't even compile |
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| 14:48.23 | horribleprogram | BCMM: the source code is rittled with problems, you need GCC 4.something |
| 14:48.59 | horribleprogram | I've tried repos that tried to solve this issue, but none of them even work. |
| 14:49.37 | horribleprogram | https://github.com/bcdonadio/t2uh |
| 14:49.51 | horribleprogram | that was deprecated, pointing to https://github.com/chenhaiq/mt7610u_wifi_sta_v3002_dpo_20130916 |
| 14:49.52 | jelly | horribleprogram: there are at least 3 or 4 forks of driver for that cheap card's chip on github, and even when you get it to build and load it still does not work well. Buy a better card. Investigate which card has a chipset that works well with Linux. |
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| 14:50.12 | horribleprogram | jelly: yeah, I figured I'd have to throw this thing out |
| 14:50.20 | jelly | return it if you can. |
| 14:50.21 | horribleprogram | jelly: it just hurts to hear it |
| 14:50.29 | horribleprogram | meh bought it like 2 months ago |
| 14:50.36 | horribleprogram | returning something is hard for me :P |
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| 14:50.40 | jelly | then, a lesson is learned |
| 14:50.46 | horribleprogram | true lol |
| 14:50.53 | BCMM | horribleprogram: do you have v1 or v2? |
| 14:50.56 | horribleprogram | v1 |
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| 14:51.06 | LmorThnEvr | the flaw |
| 14:51.26 | LmorThnEvr | fudido Atingido:1 http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian experimental InRelease |
| 14:51.37 | BCMM | horribleprogram: can you paste teh relevant lsusb line? |
| 14:51.39 | themill | LmorThnEvr: so fix your sources.list |
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| 14:51.45 | LmorThnEvr | without S |
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| 14:51.58 | LmorThnEvr | remains |
| 14:51.59 | *** mode/#debian [+o jelly] by ChanServ |
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| 14:52.01 | *** mode/#debian [-o jelly] by ChanServ |
| 14:52.07 | jelly | !next |
| 14:52.07 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 14:53.03 | horribleprogram | pastebin.com/ZSW45Rkm |
| 14:53.15 | horribleprogram | first line |
| 14:53.23 | section1 | someone can reproduce this in debian 10 ? https://paste.debian.net/1105720/ |
| 14:53.36 | section1 | iptables bug? |
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| 14:53.40 | section1 | not critical |
| 14:54.12 | jelly | section1: that's not how -D syntax goes. |
| 14:54.20 | armin | it still shouldn't segfault. |
| 14:54.23 | section1 | with a segv fault ? |
| 14:54.23 | jelly | true. |
| 14:54.26 | section1 | ah |
| 14:54.41 | jelly | but when kernel devs write userspace tools... |
| 14:54.43 | jelly | hides |
| 14:54.44 | horribleprogram | BCMM: trust me, I wouldn't invest too much into this, as I've done hours and hours of trying to fix this, tried everything, even jumped into the source code from the manufacturer's drivers to try to resolve compiler errors |
| 14:54.53 | section1 | lol |
| 14:54.59 | horribleprogram | BCMM: I was just hoping someone here dealt with the same issue |
| 14:55.15 | horribleprogram | BCMM: jelly is right, I'll just get another one |
| 14:55.29 | horribleprogram | a different one, I probably should add |
| 14:56.09 | horribleprogram | hold up a sec |
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| 14:56.46 | BCMM | horribleprogram: do you specifically want me to stop troubleshooting this? cos the situation with v1 looks much nicer than v2 |
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| 14:57.17 | BCMM | looks like the driver is in kernel 4.19 and up, and debian is just missing a firmware file |
| 14:57.52 | horribleprogram | BCMM: Something I haven't noticed before when plugging it in is happening |
| 14:58.00 | horribleprogram | imgur.com/a/TntOk3l |
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| 14:58.30 | horribleprogram | it's recognized |
| 14:58.48 | horribleprogram | the dropdown has 2 different WIFI things |
| 14:59.07 | horribleprogram | BCMM: what's your ez fix? |
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| 15:00.27 | BCMM | horribleprogram: actually, it doesn't look like any fix is needed |
| 15:00.30 | horribleprogram | BCMM: you think sudo apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi might work? |
| 15:00.38 | BCMM | it should just work, on buster, if you've got firmware-misc-nonfree |
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| 15:00.44 | BCMM | no, firmware iwlwifi is for your intel card |
| 15:00.49 | horribleprogram | BCMM: kk |
| 15:01.02 | horribleprogram | BCMM: do I have to add a nonfree in my sources.list? |
| 15:01.28 | greycat | yes |
| 15:01.30 | BCMM | this is what comes up first for "mt7610u debian" on google, but it's obsolete on buster as that file is already included https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=931561 |
| 15:01.31 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/931561 in firmware-misc-nonfree (open): «Failed to load mediatek/mt7610u»; severity: normal; opened: 2019-07-07; last modified: 2019-07-16. |
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| 15:01.45 | BCMM | horribleprogram: yes, but i think you already did that for the intel firmware, didn't you? |
| 15:02.05 | horribleprogram | BCMM: yes |
| 15:02.25 | horribleprogram | BCMM: I'll follow the steps in the post under the OP |
| 15:02.39 | BCMM | horribleprogram: do you mean the bug report? don't do that |
| 15:02.46 | BCMM | the file is available in debian now |
| 15:03.03 | horribleprogram | BCMM: iight so what do I do :P |
| 15:03.10 | LmorThnEvr | just fix don report |
| 15:03.17 | greycat | install firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 15:03.22 | LmorThnEvr | i a shame |
| 15:03.25 | horribleprogram | greycat: kk |
| 15:03.31 | BCMM | horribleprogram: did you say it was already working anyway? |
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| 15:04.19 | horribleprogram | BCMM: no, it's just recognized now, but it can't find any wireless networks or anything |
| 15:04.31 | horribleprogram | BCMM: ra0 Ralink STA Mode: Managed |
| 15:04.34 | LmorThnEvr | mean evil i for is |
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| 15:05.07 | horribleprogram | BCMM: maybe ifconfig ra0 up ? |
| 15:05.16 | BCMM | horribleprogram: are you sure that's not an artefact of something you did to try and manually install the v2 driver? |
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| 15:05.36 | horribleprogram | tbh I'm not sure :'( |
| 15:05.40 | horribleprogram | rebooting, hold up |
| 15:05.41 | BCMM | anyway, installing firmware-misc-nonfree and rebooting would be a good step |
| 15:05.44 | horribleprogram | & |
| 15:05.45 | horribleprogram | ^ |
| 15:05.51 | horribleprogram | just did that, tyvm I'll see if it works |
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| 15:08.03 | LmorThnEvr | nonfree give me bad feelings |
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| 15:11.07 | horribleprogram | It worked :') |
| 15:11.12 | horribleprogram | Ily guys |
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| 15:11.56 | LmorThnEvr | sorry for the ask, the installations iso are for https when remote isnt it? |
| 15:12.24 | LmorThnEvr | S |
| 15:12.54 | LmorThnEvr | just for fun of security |
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| 15:17.06 | horribleprogram | why the hell my name for the network device is wlxc025e916a1dd |
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| 15:17.25 | horribleprogram | iwconfig, gives me wlp3s0, enp0s25, lo, and this long ass one wlxc025e916a1dd lol |
| 15:17.26 | greycat | because removable USB devices are typically named for their MAC addr |
| 15:17.37 | horribleprogram | greycat: any way to change this? |
| 15:17.47 | greycat | create a .link file in /etc/systemd/network |
| 15:18.00 | greycat | "man systemd.link" for details |
| 15:18.05 | horribleprogram | kk sweet ty |
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| 15:18.17 | BCMM | horribleprogram: it's something called, hilariously enough, "predictable network names" |
| 15:18.29 | horribleprogram | lmfao |
| 15:18.36 | BCMM | ^network interface names |
| 15:18.46 | BCMM | https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ |
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| 15:19.49 | LmorThnEvr | iam sorry mr Zcat if i dissapoint you |
| 15:20.04 | LmorThnEvr | i had to complain |
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| 15:22.29 | theciaguy | I mean, they are predictable in that they won't reorder across boots. |
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| 15:25.43 | LmorThnEvr | greycat was the loving most people here |
| 15:26.22 | LmorThnEvr | get anoyed easy |
| 15:26.40 | LmorThnEvr | but the complain was real for me |
| 15:27.06 | BCMM | theciaguy: yeah, i know really. i just think it's funny because most people's response on seeing a "predictable" name for the first time is to express surprise |
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| 15:27.36 | LmorThnEvr | the wiki was copy paste and no https |
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| 15:27.54 | LmorThnEvr | and silly i am saying S |
| 15:28.03 | horribleprogram | greycat: yeah pretty ez... [Match] MacAddress=<mac address> [Link] Name=<interface> |
| 15:28.05 | LmorThnEvr | :( |
| 15:28.06 | greycat | "Repeatable" might be more accurate than "Predictable". If it comes up as eno1 once, it'll probably come up as eno1 again. But predicting that? Not so easy. |
| 15:28.06 | horribleprogram | ty |
| 15:28.36 | horribleprogram | greycat: digging into the details of this seems interesting as well |
| 15:28.58 | greycat | The names can also change if there's a motherboard firmware update. |
| 15:28.59 | Akuw | greycat: by default ntp.conf uses pool 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst ? |
| 15:29.06 | Akuw | is better to use a local NTP server? |
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| 15:29.16 | plugwash_pi | N |
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| 15:29.28 | greycat | Akuw: "better" is for you to decide. It's your system. |
| 15:29.43 | BCMM | Akuw: how accurate is your local ntp server? |
| 15:29.58 | greycat | I told you what I do here at work: I run 3 NTP servers which use the pools, and all the other hosts use my 3 chosen local NTP servers. |
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| 15:30.19 | BCMM | Akuw: oh, local as in on-site? or just as in a public one that's relatively close to you geographically? |
| 15:31.38 | BCMM | because of the way the ntp pool works, you will generally get one that's close to you, with the advantage of automatic failover if that server ever ceases to operate |
| 15:31.39 | jelly | greycat: unrelated, are any of those on virtualized machines? |
| 15:32.20 | greycat | no |
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| 15:34.34 | ratrace | de-facto: the difference isn't between manual and scripted, but between passive (rebooted server asks for the key) and active (rebooted server waits for you to ssh in and unlock -- this can be scripted too). |
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| 15:35.09 | ratrace | de-facto: passive/active from your side. with the active approach it gives you time to inspect what's going on and decide what you want to do, for unexpected reboots. |
| 15:35.44 | ratrace | de-facto: it's marginally better, but still not a full solution. there is no full solution. you can only use FDE for situations where you dismiss and no longer use the storage medium. |
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| 15:47.20 | Yego | hey I just tried to make a simple rsync backup using "rsync -azP myFolder user@host" expecting that the data would be stored in "/home/user/myFolder" on the given host but it wasn't, anyone knows where it went? sorry for ot |
| 15:48.30 | Akuw | offset around 10.488 is bad? |
| 15:48.41 | greycat | did you forget the : after host? |
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| 15:49.07 | greycat | rsync -azP mydirectory user@host:/destination/ |
| 15:49.17 | Yego | @greycat: I was just assuming it'd end up in the home directory of the user, like when using scp |
| 15:49.18 | holalluis | you have to specify the folder after user@host, for example, user@host:~ |
| 15:49.40 | greycat | the : is what tells rsync that this is a hostname |
| 15:49.57 | greycat | I believe it's the same for scp |
| 15:50.41 | fryguy | you can do `:` with nothing after it (and it'll go to home dir), but you need the :, otherwise it will transfer to a file named user@host on the local machine. |
| 15:50.55 | greycat | wooledg:/tmp$ rsync -a xyzzy wooledg@localhost: |
| 15:50.57 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:51.33 | Yego | ah yeah, I found it on my local drive! so indeed the colon is needed, thanks! |
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| 15:54.38 | aman1995 | hello |
| 15:56.23 | jim | hi |
| 15:57.05 | jim | so as images go, there is netinstall, there is live... are there images that have packages to install? |
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| 15:58.21 | jim | I remember something about pop-con sorting what packages go onto which numbered cd... does debian still have those? |
| 15:58.29 | SerajewelKS | jim: yes |
| 15:58.53 | jim | oh hi :) thanks... cd.debian.org? |
| 15:58.58 | SerajewelKS | they're literally linked to from debian.org |
| 15:59.05 | SerajewelKS | getting debian > cd/usb iso images |
| 15:59.10 | jim | ok |
| 15:59.22 | greycat | CD images, DVD images, etc. Yes, they're numbered. |
| 15:59.30 | jim | let me take a look. thanks:) |
| 15:59.41 | SerajewelKS | oh. hmm. |
| 15:59.52 | SerajewelKS | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ only lists one non-netinst CD!? |
| 16:00.20 | SerajewelKS | looks like DVD is the way to go: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 16:00.29 | greycat | iso-cd/ only has the netinst image in it |
| 16:00.42 | greycat | iso-dvd/ has the 3 DVD images |
| 16:01.20 | SerajewelKS | that's not the entire main suite, is it? |
| 16:01.29 | greycat | I guess they stopped producing "dozens of CDs" image sets, and if you need those, you use jigdo. |
| 16:01.30 | SerajewelKS | surely main is >13GB |
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| 16:13.47 | m0rd3cai | hey guys, got a quick little issue. Need to apt-get upgrade but I want to exclude a package from being upgraded but the rest I need, is there a certain switch in the command to ignore a certain package? |
| 16:14.22 | LmorThnEvr | is there a channel in freenode for mutt? |
| 16:14.41 | m0rd3cai | j #mutt |
| 16:14.55 | avu | LmorThnEvr: alis can help you answer these kinds of questions (`/msg alis help`) |
| 16:15.00 | m0rd3cai | looks like #mutt |
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| 16:15.25 | LmorThnEvr | like /join #mutt |
| 16:15.34 | LmorThnEvr | already |
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| 16:16.27 | LmorThnEvr | must have credentials |
| 16:16.45 | LmorThnEvr | $sick |
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| 16:18.00 | LmorThnE1r | i shall do in graphic world |
| 16:18.17 | angersock | hey folks, quick question...in debian 10 (buster, right?) what's the preferred RDP setup? |
| 16:18.17 | LmorThnE1r | when is not possible in client |
| 16:18.28 | LmorThnE1r | in shell |
| 16:18.33 | LmorThnE1r | forget |
| 16:18.33 | angersock | i've got a new machine with debian 10, and want to remote in from my ubuntu machine to finish setup |
| 16:18.49 | angersock | desktop manage is xfce if that helps |
| 16:19.28 | LmorThnE1r | if is a client we dont talk about IDE |
| 16:19.52 | LmorThnE1r | live in bash |
| 16:20.05 | LmorThnE1r | and learn |
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| 16:24.08 | SerajewelKS | angersock: you can use a VNC server like x11vnc |
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| 16:28.02 | LmorThnE1r | piggin a new ip |
| 16:28.15 | LmorThnE1r | for man task |
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| 16:30.30 | greycat | oh great, nick changer. *plonk* |
| 16:30.51 | greycat | I'll try lmorth* this time. Maybe that'll catch enough of his aliases. |
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| 16:33.42 | mohnish_ | Hello everyone! |
| 16:33.48 | mohnish_ | I had a question |
| 16:34.10 | mason | greycat: Imagine a Bayesian filter for IRC chat. Get 'em based on content! |
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| 16:35.05 | mohnish_ | Every time I upgrade my debian, it usually takes some extra disk space, so, does this mean that I'll eventually run out of hard disk space juat by updating my system? |
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| 16:35.31 | mason | mohnish_: In the big picture, realistically no. |
| 16:35.46 | greycat | Depends on your disk size. In practice your computer usually stops working or becomes too slow to use comfortably and you replace it. |
| 16:36.05 | theciaguy | mohnish_: man apt has information relevant to your question. |
| 16:36.10 | mohnish_ | mason: What if I've installed debian in a usb drive? |
| 16:36.36 | mason | mohnish_: If you installed it on a small enough drive, then yes, you'll run it out of space eventually. The smaller the drive the sooner. |
| 16:36.38 | theciaguy | Then you should have mentioned that first. We're not here to play a game of whack-a-mole to get relevant details out of you. |
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| 16:37.40 | mohnish_ | theciaguy: I was just asking a question, I didn't even say I had debian installed in a usb drive |
| 16:38.05 | SerajewelKS | mohnish_: it's plausible that a bunch of that disk space is used by the apt package cache which you can clear by running "apt-get clean" |
| 16:38.25 | mohnish_ | oh |
| 16:38.28 | SerajewelKS | upgrades can also bring in packages you don't need, and hence can uninstall later |
| 16:38.37 | greycat | ... *plonk* |
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| 16:38.51 | greycat | I'm not playing "what-ifs". |
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| 16:39.15 | jelly | mohnish_: if you manage to have a debian OS larger than 50GB or so without intentionally installing lots of packages and grabbing files, then... good work |
| 16:39.17 | ghoti | Is there a tool that's part of the X window system that will send whatever's in my copy/paste buffer to stdout? Sort of like `pbpaste` on macOS? |
| 16:39.34 | greycat | ghoti: apt-get install xclip; man xclip |
| 16:39.56 | mohnish_ | jelly: what do you mean "good work"? |
| 16:40.11 | ghoti | greycat: thanks! |
| 16:40.14 | jelly | mohnish_: I mean it's not that easy |
| 16:40.23 | mohnish_ | oh |
| 16:40.53 | jhutchins_wk | A reasonable desktop doesn't really need more than 40G of local storage. Everything else goes to the net. |
| 16:40.56 | jelly | mohnish_: my home workstation uses about 35GB for / + /var (the OS), and I haven't reinstalled since 2001 |
| 16:41.19 | mohnish_ | wow that's a long time |
| 16:41.35 | jelly | it went thru all the release upgrades from Debian 2.1 to 10 |
| 16:41.38 | SerajewelKS | mine's in the hundreds of GB but i also manage some videos as well as... you know, steam games |
| 16:41.51 | jelly | SerajewelKS: on / ? Shame |
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| 16:41.55 | SerajewelKS | the base install (without my home) is a few GBs |
| 16:42.08 | SerajewelKS | jelly: when / is a 6TB raid1 yes |
| 16:42.25 | jelly | SerajewelKS: the context however is "losing space to upgrades" |
| 16:42.30 | SerajewelKS | right |
| 16:42.45 | jelly | !release history |
| 16:42.45 | dpkg | Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17), Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next: Bullseye. http://deb.li/it56U |
| 16:43.00 | SerajewelKS | even if each upgrade inflates used space by 10%, it would be several centuries (at least) before you fill up a 64GB flash drive |
| 16:43.03 | jelly | so that's, I can't count, a dozen release upgrade steps or so |
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| 16:43.37 | SerajewelKS | (10% of the current release, not 10% of the prior... e.g. linear expansion and not exponential) |
| 16:43.50 | jelly | and some 5-6 different hardware platforms |
| 16:43.50 | mohnish_ | I guess I have my answer now |
| 16:43.54 | mohnish_ | Thanks |
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| 17:01.45 | martistra | Half of the time grub shows the rescue prompt with unknown filesytem error, half of the time it boots debian normally. What is going on? |
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| 17:06.41 | astrospace | martistra: I had that too the other day. It disappeared on it's own again as well. |
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| 17:07.53 | martistra | astrospace: what systems on your machine? |
| 17:08.16 | martistra | How long did it persist? |
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| 17:10.42 | astrospace | Older laptop with basic debian. It happend only a few times. |
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| 17:11.34 | martistra | Debian only? |
| 17:12.30 | astrospace | Was just so weird that it disappeared again on its own, so I thought I'd mention. |
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| 17:12.53 | greycat | are there any other symptoms, such as disk errors in dmesg? |
| 17:13.00 | jelly | martistra: which filesystem type do you use for the filesystem where your /boot contents are supposed to be? |
| 17:14.05 | astrospace | It was a laptop i used to dual boot and do other messy stuff. So maybe that didn't help either |
| 17:14.20 | jhutchins_wk | martistra: Install smartmontools, enable it, and check dmesg for disk errors. |
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| 17:16.25 | martistra | greycat: nothing, and it's every other boot, not every 1 in 2 |
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| 17:18.58 | astrospace | If there's no disk errors you're probably better of with a fresh install |
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| 17:24.11 | martistra | jelly: /boot/efi lives on a fat32 32-bit partition |
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| 17:24.39 | greycat | oh, that would have been a good question for us to ask... "is it UEFI or MBR boot" |
| 17:24.55 | martistra | Uefi no legacy |
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| 17:25.03 | martistra | XD |
| 17:25.26 | greycat | single disk? no RAID-1 or anything? |
| 17:25.41 | martistra | Single disk with windows 10 |
| 17:26.11 | martistra | I'm booted on to a kali usb pin atm, anything you'd like to know? |
| 17:26.25 | jhutchins_wk | Blame windows. You don't have quick boot or secure boot enabled, do you? |
| 17:26.44 | martistra | No quick boot, no secure boot, but i |
| 17:27.12 | martistra | ... read that its possible to secure boot to grub? |
| 17:27.43 | martistra | I blame windows, sure, but it's still a weird error mode |
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| 17:29.58 | jhutchins_wk | Yes, secure boot can be made to work with some releases of Linux. It's ironic that the whole point of secure boot was to prevent people from running linux. |
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| 17:30.15 | jelly | martistra: not /boot/efi. just /boot |
| 17:30.49 | jelly | that'd be your / filesystem if you don't have a separate /boot filesystem |
| 17:31.09 | jelly | and it'd be your /boot filesystem if it was separate |
| 17:31.13 | martistra | I do have a separate filesystem |
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| 17:32.02 | martistra | Ehm, no, /boot/efi and /boot are also separate |
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| 17:32.46 | jelly | what does "blkid" command say about your /boot filesystem? |
| 17:33.23 | martistra | It mounts using UUID |
| 17:33.39 | martistra | type:vfat |
| 17:33.55 | jelly | you really shouldn't have vfat for /boot |
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| 17:34.10 | jelly | martistra: pastebin the output of "blkid" and "lsblk" |
| 17:34.43 | jelly | ext3 is fine, ext2 is fine, I'm not 100% sure if ext4 is safe and from which grub version it's safe |
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| 17:36.54 | martistra | "/boot/efi" is vfat, rest of /boot is ext4 |
| 17:38.20 | jelly | maybe reformat it to ext3 and see what happens? |
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| 17:39.43 | jelly | (I mean, backup contents someplace, reformat, put files back, fix fstab) |
| 17:40.17 | jelly | and by "it" I mean only /boot, not /boot/efi, don't touch that |
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| 17:40.44 | greycat | this sounds like a long shot |
| 17:41.01 | martistra | greycat: dmesg reports "platform regulatory.0: firmware: failed to load regulatory.db (-2) |
| 17:41.02 | jelly | very long, and it might hide the actual bug |
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| 17:41.20 | martistra | Hardly think that is relevant |
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| 17:42.04 | jelly | martistra: that line is related to loading linux wifi drivers and can only happen after grub has passed control to linux |
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| 17:43.37 | martistra | Do you know this astrospace guy? Is he a regular? |
| 17:44.31 | jhutchins_wk | martistra: There are around 1500 people here. It's not easy to keep track. |
| 17:44.42 | jelly | keeps track only of jhutchins |
| 17:44.54 | martistra | XD |
| 17:45.14 | twobitsprite | damn idlers... :P |
| 17:46.18 | jelly | still, if there are no changes on the filesystem, grub should be consistent about understanding its structure or not |
| 17:46.25 | martistra | Posting blkid output is safe? |
| 17:46.46 | martistra | jelly: yes that is why I'm bugged |
| 17:46.59 | jelly | the pastebin people will get your IP, is that safe for you |
| 17:47.19 | martistra | Yes it is |
| 17:47.48 | jelly | then it's safe. paste.debian.net, if possible, and avoid pastebin.com if possible |
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| 17:49.12 | astrospace | Why don't you respond in the query martistra? |
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| 17:51.16 | mason | astrospace: Unsolicitly private messages are generally frowned upon. |
| 17:51.27 | twobitsprite | astrospace: it's generally considered rude to /msg or /query people without being asked in the channel |
| 17:51.32 | mason | Unsolicited too. Unsolicitly sounds like a three-month miracle start-up. |
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| 17:52.19 | astrospace | Bullshit, you can msg anyone |
| 17:52.27 | twobitsprite | astrospace: if you have advice or questions regarding a question they asked in channel, just say it in the channel |
| 17:52.37 | twobitsprite | astrospace: well, you *can*, doesn't mean you *should* |
| 17:53.02 | astrospace | Maybe you shouldn't talk to me, twobitsprite |
| 17:53.05 | martistra | https://paste.debian.net/1105747 |
| 17:53.19 | mason | I'm tempted to start an ignore list again, but I've resisted for so long... |
| 17:53.24 | greycat | astrospace, you're going to piss everyone off and get /ignored or banned if you keep it up |
| 17:54.43 | astrospace | So, there's just the same 10 very sensitive people on irc? |
| 17:54.54 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 17:56.33 | humpled | tres sensible |
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| 17:58.40 | ratrace | +g user mode ftw |
| 17:59.29 | jhutchins_wk | It's silly for people to be sensitive about PMs, they're a natural feature of irc, but there you go, people are people. They think there's such a thing as privacy on the internet. |
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| 18:00.09 | ratrace | it's silly because if you don't wanna be bugged, set +g on your nick, ?????, profit. |
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| 18:06.39 | zeratul976 | Hi there! I'm trying to install Debian from a Buster live USB. Is there a way I can run the old installer, instead of Calamares? |
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| 18:10.08 | towo` | zeratul976, yes, don't use the live version |
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| 18:11.23 | zeratul976 | towo`: Ah, ok. I thought I could get it to work by installing debian-installer-launcher onto the live system, but that gives me the same error as this person: https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/9aibnm/need_help_installing_debian_on_lenovo_yoga_730/ |
| 18:11.30 | zeratul976 | I will try the non-live image |
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| 18:15.56 | towo` | zeratul976, on grub, you can choose debian installer instead of starting the live session |
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| 18:31.34 | zeratul976 | towo`: you mean, still using the same live usb? |
| 18:31.43 | towo` | sure |
| 18:31.53 | zeratul976 | towo`: hmm, i don't get that option |
| 18:32.49 | towo` | zeratul976, i clearly see that: https://i.imgur.com/OIkHswS.png |
| 18:33.08 | zeratul976 | towo`: i don't get that screen at all |
| 18:33.27 | towo` | how you have made your usb? |
| 18:33.37 | towo` | i hobe you haven't used unetbootin |
| 18:33.40 | zeratul976 | towo`: might be related to the fact that my system has a different bootloader (coreboot-based) |
| 18:33.41 | towo` | *hope |
| 18:33.58 | zeratul976 | towo`: but basically i get a screen that allows me to choose USB boot from among other options |
| 18:34.11 | zeratul976 | towo`: then a screen that allows me to choose between two partitions on the USB |
| 18:34.24 | zeratul976 | only the first of which is actually bootable\ |
| 18:34.32 | towo` | zeratul976, that is the firmware bootloader |
| 18:34.44 | zeratul976 | towo`: and finally i get a screen that allows me to choose between like 30 different languages |
| 18:34.52 | zeratul976 | towo`: but once i choose english there, i get right into the live system |
| 18:35.00 | towo` | [20:33:27] <towo`> how you have made your usb? |
| 18:35.54 | zeratul976 | towo`: downloaded https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-10.1.0-amd64-kde.iso, sudo cp directly onto /dev/sdc where that's my usb device |
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| 18:37.40 | zeratul976 | towo`: oh, wait. mixed in among all the languages (there's actually more like 80), there''s a "Debian Installer [/d-i/vmlinuz]" option |
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| 18:38.46 | zeratul976 | towo`: except trying to boot into that hangs at "kexec_core: Starting new kernel" ... |
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| 18:41.20 | zeratul976 | towo`: there's also a "Graphical Debian Installer [/d-i/gtk/vmlinuz]" option but that hangs in the same place |
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| 18:49.35 | zeratul976 | So I've searched around for this hang, and people suggest things like "add the acpi=off kernel parameter" |
| 18:49.42 | zeratul976 | Where would I add that though? |
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| 18:50.48 | diogenes_ | zeratul976, at grub menu press e find linux line. |
| 18:51.14 | zeratul976 | diogenes_: i don't have a grub menu... |
| 18:51.46 | diogenes_ | zeratul976, you boot from usb? |
| 18:52.12 | zeratul976 | diogenes_: yes. please see scrollback a few lines above for what screen i get - no grub screen |
| 18:52.16 | zeratul976 | what screens* |
| 18:52.40 | humpled | the equivalent would be tab at the syslinux menuu |
| 18:53.12 | diogenes_ | ^ |
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| 18:54.03 | diogenes_ | there you hit tab and write acpi=off |
| 18:54.03 | humpled | which you have on the imgur image, but it's in qemu, no idea how that affects it |
| 18:54.26 | zeratul976 | humpled: that wasn't my image, it was towo`'s |
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| 18:54.32 | humpled | oops |
| 18:54.40 | zeratul976 | pretty sure i don't have syslinux either |
| 18:54.51 | _ioannis | hello peeps! anyone up to help out with a bridge issue I'm having? |
| 18:54.58 | _ioannis | is going crazy |
| 18:56.07 | _ioannis | I've setup a bridge, everything looks dandy! I'm using a VM that uses that bridge so that I can access it through the local network, but it seems like it only works for IPv6 :/ |
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| 19:01.28 | jhutchins_wk | _ioannis: What VM system are you using? How did you set up the bridge? What is the host's network configuration? |
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| 19:19.49 | c010r | i just installed firewalld, and it DEACTIVATED gufw somehow! WTF?! |
| 19:19.57 | c010r | oh... and hi everybody |
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| 19:32.25 | jelly | c010r: I suppose some non-default packages like the one for firewalld might not be 100% polished. If you think the behaviour breaks the principle of least surprise (disabling firewall rules in place, while not setting up its own equivalent), check the BTS and file a bug report if there isn't one. Read /usr/share/doc/packagename/README.Debian* and NEWS.Debian* in th same dir before that. |
| 19:32.38 | jelly | !bts |
| 19:32.39 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 19:32.42 | jelly | !reportbug |
| 19:32.42 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
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| 19:36.59 | c010r | imma test it out real quick... im using ssl, so theoretically, this irc server should be "talking to my pc on ports 6697, 7000, or 7070, right? |
| 19:37.17 | greycat | ... what? |
| 19:37.43 | c010r | whatever server im using to connect into irc.freenode.net should be using those aforementioned ports |
| 19:37.46 | greycat | You initiate the connection *to* the IRC server. Your computer randomly allocates a "source port" on which it receives the responses. |
| 19:38.15 | greycat | You chose the destination port when you connected. |
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| 19:38.33 | c010r | AHHHHH.... so my "in" port will be randomly different every time, but mymOUTGOING port willalways be 6697, 7000, or 7070? |
| 19:38.43 | greycat | You should see it in netstat or ss. |
| 19:38.56 | c010r | ok imma netstat it real qiuck |
| 19:39.40 | theciaguy | c010r: The port on your side will always be between 49152 and 65535. |
| 19:39.45 | theciaguy | Inclusive. |
| 19:40.02 | c010r | gsus.... netstat just barfed all over with LOTS of stuff... |
| 19:40.26 | theciaguy | c010r: Hint: don't use netstat anymore. ss is the replacement. Should take many of the same flags. |
| 19:40.34 | greycat | you're connected to card.freenode.net according to /whois, so "netstat -ant | grep -F 38.229.70.22" might be enough. or "grep :6697" or something. |
| 19:40.36 | c010r | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.58 | theciaguy | ss -tn should filter things down. |
| 19:41.10 | c010r | nvrmdnd greycat just answered b4 i could fininsh typing |
| 19:41.17 | c010r | thx greycat |
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| 19:46.57 | c010r | OKAY I THINK I GOT IT |
| 19:47.28 | c010r | so the column that says "foreign address" is the "out port", and the "local address" is the "in" port, right? |
| 19:47.38 | c010r | (im talking in netstat) |
| 19:47.44 | theciaguy | Local is you. Foreign is the other end. |
| 19:47.45 | greycat | "foreign address" means the other system, the one that is not you. |
| 19:48.04 | c010r | ok thought so, like i said. thx. |
| 19:48.07 | c010r | brb |
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| 19:54.00 | Emil | Hey |
| 19:54.09 | Emil | Can I still get a Debian for Acer Aspire One? |
| 19:54.35 | greycat | what CPU does it have? how much RAM? |
| 19:55.50 | Emil | greycat: lscpu says i868, 32-bit (also PAE iirc), it's Intel Atom N270. It has 1GB ram |
| 19:56.15 | greycat | Then Debian should work on it. |
| 19:56.26 | greycat | you'll want the i386 installer |
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| 19:57.33 | Emil | greycat: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.1.0+nonfree/i386/iso-cd/firmware-10.1.0-i386-netinst.iso is good, right? |
| 19:57.44 | greycat | should be |
| 19:58.29 | Emil | hmm, though I wonder if I should take the fat install one instead of the netinst |
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| 20:00.03 | Emil | lxde was the most lightweight graphics wise, right? |
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| 20:00.14 | Emil | oh there's lxqt, too |
| 20:00.39 | greycat | "the most lightweight" would be to skip all of the desktop environments, and after the install, just install xorg (a metapackage) and a window manager of your choice |
| 20:01.50 | Emil | hmm, good point |
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| 20:04.59 | Emil | greycat: any pointers as to how to upgrade from 8.11 to latest Debian (and kernel)? Do I simply change the sources.list? |
| 20:05.33 | greycat | upgrade one release at a time. 8 to 9, then 9 to 10. |
| 20:05.38 | greycat | dpkg, jessie->stretch |
| 20:05.38 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 20:06.24 | Emil | thanks |
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| 20:17.01 | annadane | also, just to be pedantic and i'm sure you know this but when you upgrade to 9 it's obviously going to be the most recent point release and you don't explicitly need another step for that |
| 20:17.13 | annadane | ditto 10 etc |
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| 20:51.36 | inari | jelly: thanks for the help earlier! |
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| 21:20.56 | Fager | Hello. For some reason iptables keeps filling my /var/log/messages and /var/log/kern.log with same message over and over |
| 21:21.04 | Fager | And I can't find any logging rule in iptables |
| 21:21.09 | theciaguy | What's the message? |
| 21:21.24 | Fager | this lines many times a second: Oct 8 16:00:45 nginx kernel: [3475982.255158] IN=ens192 OUT= MAC=00:0c:29:96:1e:79:b0:4e:26:0b:83:80:08:00 SRC=62.168.95.222 DST=192.168.0.100 LEN=83 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=54 ID=57085 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=58058 DPT=443 WINDOW=10565 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0 |
| 21:22.44 | theciaguy | Can you paste your iptables ruleset? |
| 21:22.47 | theciaguy | !paste |
| 21:22.47 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 21:23.04 | Fager | sure, how do I list all tables ruleset? |
| 21:23.15 | Fager | iptables -L? |
| 21:23.26 | theciaguy | That should do it. |
| 21:23.35 | Fager | http://paste.debian.net/1105774/ |
| 21:25.24 | SerajewelKS | usually you only see that with -j LOG |
| 21:25.26 | theciaguy | I'm unfortunately lacking in docker expertise, so I may not be much help. |
| 21:25.35 | Fager | no docker container is running currently |
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| 21:26.08 | Fager | SerajewelKS, iptables -j LOG is not working |
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| 21:26.35 | SerajewelKS | Fager: i didn't mean run that |
| 21:26.42 | SerajewelKS | i mean there's some existing rule with LOG as the target |
| 21:27.00 | Fager | sorry, im noob to linux |
| 21:27.02 | SerajewelKS | Fager: dump all tables please, this is only the filter table: for i in filter nat mangle raw security; do iptables -t $i -nvL; done |
| 21:27.47 | Fager | http://paste.debian.net/1105776/ |
| 21:27.55 | Fager | I was playing with a LOG rule actually |
| 21:28.01 | Fager | DNAT and logging |
| 21:28.06 | Fager | but I didn't think it would persist |
| 21:28.31 | SerajewelKS | there's no log rules in any table. are you sure that's not an old log line from when you were playing with it? |
| 21:28.53 | SerajewelKS | 16:00 is 4PM, in my local timezone it's 5:30PM |
| 21:29.10 | Fager | It is an old line |
| 21:29.16 | SerajewelKS | there you go |
| 21:29.19 | Fager | But when I try cat /var/log/messages it never stops |
| 21:29.26 | Fager | is it safe to delete /var/log/messages? |
| 21:29.31 | Fager | and /var/log/kern.log? |
| 21:29.33 | SerajewelKS | Fager: tail -f /var/log/messages |
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| 21:29.39 | SerajewelKS | Fager: is this line still scrolling? |
| 21:29.45 | Fager | that does the same, that's why im confused |
| 21:30.02 | SerajewelKS | "does the same" means what |
| 21:30.19 | SerajewelKS | are iptables log lines still being generated? if so, paste a recent one. |
| 21:30.21 | Fager | i wanted to say keeps scrolling but no, it doesn't |
| 21:30.24 | Fager | thank you |
| 21:30.27 | SerajewelKS | np |
| 21:30.45 | Fager | so, next question |
| 21:30.48 | SerajewelKS | the single log rule probably generated many thousands of log entries, so if you cat the file it may take some time to dump it all |
| 21:30.51 | Fager | can I safely delete those 2 files? |
| 21:31.06 | SerajewelKS | not if you want new log entries to go to them before the next log rotation |
| 21:31.26 | Fager | So I should just leave it be? that FIle is 180mb now |
| 21:31.39 | Fager | It doesn't bother me if it doesn't grow any more though |
| 21:31.50 | SerajewelKS | by default that file is rotated weekly |
| 21:32.04 | Fager | alright |
| 21:32.21 | SerajewelKS | so in somewhere between 7 and 14 days (after two rotations), that file will be compressed, which should shrink it down considerably since those lines should compress very well |
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| 22:26.15 | Emil | dpkg, stretch->buster |
| 22:26.16 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove stable-specific lines like stretch-backports. apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
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| 22:43.26 | c010r | how do install a package that is not in the ubuntu/mint repository |
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| 22:57.18 | somiaj | Emil: you can /msg dpkg factoid to get info for just yourself. |
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| 23:21.26 | Neil_ | Hi all, I can't get semanage to run on debian 10 buster - even semanage --version is giving me "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'typeattributes'" - am I missing a prerequisite? |
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| 23:24.37 | ratrace | Neil_: selinux on debian is a wild affair |
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| 23:33.06 | Neil_ | ratrace: yeah.. starting to try to disable it completely.. not even sure how to do that |
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| 23:37.58 | somiaj | Neil_: debian dosen't enable selinux by default, have you done something to turn it on? |
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| 23:38.08 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux |
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| 23:43.29 | theciaguy | Neil_: How did you install it? |
| 23:45.12 | Neil_ | no idea.. I upgraded from stretch to buster and things seemed fine.. now I noticed I can't ssh in |
| 23:45.39 | Neil_ | it was popping up in my console that it was being blocked (my ssh attempts) so I did what I could to make selinux 'permissive' |
| 23:45.50 | somiaj | this might be something else, buster did add apparmor by default, but not selinux, that is still disabled by default. |
| 23:45.51 | Neil_ | but I'm still getting ssh errors.. so it might not have been related.. |
| 23:46.04 | Neil_ | hmm |
| 23:46.27 | Neil_ | I'm not on the default ssh port, could that be apparmor blocking me rather than selinux? |
| 23:46.32 | themill | is this an actual installation or some sort of container? |
| 23:46.37 | Neil_ | actual |
| 23:46.48 | themill | and are you running buster's kernel? |
| 23:47.10 | Neil_ | ah, possibly not, not rebooted in a while |
| 23:47.53 | Neil_ | reboots |
| 23:47.54 | theciaguy | You haven't rebooted since a release upgrade? |
| 23:47.59 | themill | https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2019/msg00192.html (but that says kernels older than 3.19) |
| 23:48.43 | Neil_ | that server might have lived through more than one.. ahem.. |
| 23:48.59 | theciaguy | Why on earth would you do that? |
| 23:49.16 | Neil_ | ahem *works" |
| 23:49.30 | theciaguy | What? |
| 23:49.39 | Neil_ | it works now I mean.. after a reboot :P |
| 23:49.54 | theciaguy | Shocking. Why wouldn't you reboot after a release upgrade? Or regularly, for that matter. |
| 23:50.29 | Neil_ | Well, I will make a point to now |
| 23:51.05 | themill | ,i needrestart |
| 23:51.06 | judd | Package needrestart (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: check which daemons need to be restarted after library upgrades. Version: 3.4-5; Size: 56.0k; Installed: 273k; Homepage: https://github.com/liske/needrestart; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/needrestart |
| 23:51.32 | theciaguy | I always forget about that one. |
| 23:51.39 | themill | (also whinges at you if you've upgraded the kernel and not rebooted into it) |
| 23:51.57 | Neil_ | ha, will install that |
| 23:52.48 | Neil_ | Thanks for your help all! |
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