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| 00:14.31 | bigMouthCommie | mxzcrit: cd / && find . sources.list |
| 00:15.01 | bigMouthCommie | mxcrit is that the file you're looking for? |
| 00:15.40 | dvs | ?? that's a waste. |
| 00:15.47 | dvs | find / sources.list |
| 00:16.26 | bigMouthCommie | thx dvs |
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| 00:17.03 | dvs | np |
| 00:17.44 | mxzcrit | Thanks got it to work |
| 00:17.59 | bigMouthCommie | onice |
| 00:18.15 | bigMouthCommie | btw, when i run that, it starts listing, apparently,every file in my ~ |
| 00:18.23 | bigMouthCommie | anyone wanna help me figure out whats up? |
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| 00:20.14 | Gerowen | I've never fooled much with "find". I have historically used the "locate" command to find files. |
| 00:20.22 | bigMouthCommie | nbd |
| 00:20.30 | mxzcrit | I figured it out another way. I honestly misunderstood stack overflow and it wanted me to create a file in /etc |
| 00:21.07 | bigMouthCommie | what about.... helping me understand how debian recognizes a dvd has been inserted, and setting the default behavior for mounting and ripping it? |
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| 00:22.33 | mxzcrit | I would guess it would mount in /mnt. DVDs can have different ways of startup though and it is too complicated for me |
| 00:22.34 | bigMouthCommie | i think i read once it was "udev" |
| 00:23.02 | bigMouthCommie | not the mount point. the app i need to call |
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| 00:24.01 | mxzcrit | Man udev |
| 00:24.58 | bigMouthCommie | yea. reading thru it |
| 00:27.43 | warsoul | whats the difference between servers ssd, cloud, cloudram? |
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| 01:02.28 | dfkf | is apt-* written in perl? |
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| 01:19.38 | somiaj | https://sources.debian.org/src/apt/1.8.4/ |
| 01:20.20 | somiaj | looks like cpp |
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| 01:21.16 | dfkf | it has a hard depemdency of perl for some reason |
| 01:22.09 | somiaj | What package? Looking at apt and apt-get, I see no perl depends |
| 01:23.07 | somiaj | I see some scripts depending on python, but not in the core binaries. I'm looking on stretch |
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| 01:34.48 | dfkf | it turns out debconf is depending on perl |
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| 01:35.27 | hosana | https://youtu.be/1LWL5RKYKjw |
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| 01:46.19 | dfkf | why does libreoffice in debian depends on such a heap of junk (which declared as mandatory dependencies)? |
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| 01:48.08 | dfkf | in my idealist view, a hard dependency is for something that is linked to a binary |
| 01:49.05 | dfkf | if it can be removed without breaking anything, it is a soft dependency |
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| 01:49.46 | dfkf | that is doubly inconvenient because apt insists on keeping all the dependencies installed |
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| 01:52.43 | somiaj | are you sure this particular depends isn't a recommends. Debian tries to provide a full feature set. |
| 01:53.33 | somiaj | I see lots of recommended packages in libreoffice, which are things that will loose functionality if you don't have, but you don't have to install them. |
| 01:53.52 | somiaj | well that is the idea of recommended packages vs suggested |
| 01:56.43 | dfkf | for example, calc requires on library for importing keynote presentations |
| 01:58.07 | dfkf | pdf viewer requires a 40 mb library to render equations in epub documents |
| 01:59.08 | dfkf | why would i want to import macosx presentations into a speadsheet or view epubs with a pdf viewer? those are marginal cases and should be treated as recommends |
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| 02:09.06 | somiaj | you could file a wishlist bug, or check out the debian package more closely to see if there is any talk about why things are done the way they are. |
| 02:09.56 | somiaj | In most cases hd space is all that is used up which a few extra hunder megs isn't much. |
| 02:10.20 | somiaj | You could also rebuild the package yourself if you are in a situation where the space is needed |
| 02:11.40 | dfkf | rebuilding packages is more for ubuntu, as they have a free public build farm |
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| 02:12.10 | somiaj | building packages in a debian chroot is fairly straight forard, even tools to automate this |
| 02:12.34 | dfkf | i'm not even sure a standard desktop computer can build something huge like LO |
| 02:12.37 | somiaj | I'm just listing options if you don't agree with what build options the matainers chose to use. Wishlist bugs to ask for them to be changed and build your own packages. |
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| 02:12.59 | somiaj | I've built chromium, but that took about 8 hours on a lower powered vm |
| 02:13.59 | trui | i kinda like a combined pdf/epub viewer but i see where you're coming from |
| 02:15.51 | dfkf | hmmm it seems you can download a deb package and edit it without recompiling anything, i should try that |
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| 03:50.21 | warsoul | couple of days with no updates? |
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| 03:52.48 | annadane | warsoul, welcome to debian stable |
| 03:53.00 | warsoul | slaps buddy |
| 03:53.34 | annadane | you can check if you have any updates by apt update or apt list --upgradable, or subscribe to debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org, or install an update checker package, i use package-update-indicator |
| 03:54.03 | annadane | on xfce, maybe your desktop like gnome already has one |
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| 03:56.29 | warsoul | annadane i have xfce |
| 03:56.37 | warsoul | but i always check apt update |
| 03:58.07 | annadane | no updates is good, means nothing has security holes and you can focus on using your computer |
| 03:58.29 | warsoul | :P |
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| 04:04.05 | trui | i'm kind of tempted to use the libreoffice backport, but it'd ruin my nice no updates streaks |
| 04:06.26 | trui | i don't usually need to share docx's, so i can just send pdfs, so perhaps i'll hold off it for now |
| 04:06.52 | trui | *2 years later* |
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| 04:09.54 | trui | actually, perhaps pandoc could smooth out formatting issues |
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| 04:15.34 | trui | apparently my English needs a bug fix when it gets late. oof. |
| 04:15.41 | dfkf | lebreoffice should have a firefox treatment |
| 04:15.58 | dfkf | but probably not enough maintainers for that |
| 04:16.07 | annadane | "firefox treatment"? |
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| 04:16.51 | dfkf | every release packaged and pushed into all distros |
| 04:17.33 | annadane | not debian, debian only has ESR |
| 04:18.13 | dfkf | i see ff69 in repos |
| 04:18.25 | trui | in buster? |
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| 04:19.21 | annadane | in debian stable it's only firefox-esr, 60 right now, 68 in a few weeks when 60 becomes EOL |
| 04:20.15 | trui | libreoffice gets fast security updates as expected, so i'm not complaining. i can always use backports if i really need something more recent |
| 04:20.54 | annadane | well, libreoffice is available as a flatpak |
| 04:21.00 | annadane | i can't vouch as to its newness or quality though |
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| 04:24.35 | trui | yeah, i think i'll just do the backport if i really need it |
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| 04:32.38 | trui | updates often improve things, but they sometimes break things, and that's why i'm on stable in the first place :P |
| 04:34.26 | annadane | i like stable because it gives a good base, if i want something newer i'll put something in a VM |
| 04:36.43 | trui | yeah. every distro i've tried has needed a couple tweaks, and i like only having to tweak stuff every two years or less |
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| 04:39.00 | trui | optional tweaks are great. but only when they're optional and i don't feel like i need to fix something every couple months |
| 04:39.26 | annadane | i'm sure libreoffice in stable will last me 2 years but my needs aren't really great |
| 04:40.05 | annadane | generally the stuff you don't care about, you use older versions of, things you really get a heavy workload out of you may want the latest |
| 04:40.14 | annadane | but stable is good for that because it allows you to choose what you want nwwer |
| 04:41.00 | trui | if i didn't have to interact with msoffice users it'd be fine. i can always use the university libraries though to test formatting |
| 04:41.20 | annadane | can always download it from their website, i guess |
| 04:41.29 | annadane | no one "has" to use the packaging system for a lot of stuff |
| 04:41.41 | trui | and/or office 365/use pandoc |
| 04:42.14 | trui | some libreoffice updates improved docx file handling |
| 04:43.23 | trui | but i should be testing in msoffice anyways with other people's computers or my university's office365 subscription. so it's fine |
| 04:44.35 | trui | even Stallman is fine with temporarily using proprietary software on other people's systems :P |
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| 04:46.14 | trui | i'm not that strict though. dwarf fortress is too tempting! |
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| 04:48.20 | trui | my old laptop cant run most games, so that dilemma often solves itself, haha |
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| 04:50.58 | trui | and yeah, i know i can download it if needbe, but right now it's the same as backports |
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| 04:51.32 | trui | 6.3.2, so i might as well use apt |
| 05:02.39 | Gigglebyte | I just download Debian Live CD to my desktop using the ktorrent, but a bit confused. The file name on the desktop is debian-live-10.1.0-amd64-xfce.iso.torrent, but inside the torrent program it shows debian-live-10.1.0-amd64-xfce.iso Should the file name on the desktop end in .iso ??? |
| 05:03.40 | annadane | yes |
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| 05:25.37 | Gigglebyte | annadane> What do I do about this? |
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| 05:26.11 | annadane | Gigglebyte, burn it to an installation medium like a USB stick? but keep in mind this is a *live* image, if you want to install use the installer |
| 05:26.21 | annadane | although i guess live images now have calamares |
| 05:26.26 | annadane | which you can use to install |
| 05:26.58 | Gigglebyte | Inside the folder within the ktorrent it only shows a .torrent file. Is this due to some type of corruption? |
| 05:27.35 | annadane | i'm not sure. are you sure you're looking in the right folder? check where ktorrent saves your files and check there |
| 05:28.07 | Gigglebyte | It saved it to the desktop, but it only gave me a .torrent It didn't give me a .iso |
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| 05:28.45 | annadane | it may have saved the .torrent to the desktop but if you look in ktorrent's settings there ought to be a 'save files to...' thing or whatever |
| 05:28.48 | annadane | otherwise, i don't know |
| 05:29.07 | Gigglebyte | ok. I just corrected the problem, and now have a .iso |
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| 05:31.35 | Gigglebyte | I have another problem. I only have a burder program that burns to cd/dvd. Don't have one that burns to USB. Any recommendations? |
| 05:32.30 | annadane | if you're on linux you can just use cp to write the live image to the usb (make sure it's unmounted) |
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| 05:33.09 | Gigglebyte | annadane> What should be amounted? The source? Destination? Or both? |
| 05:33.14 | annadane | i assume it's the same as the regular installer, see what your device name is with lsblk, unmount the usb, cp linux.iso /dev/sdx where your device is like /dev/sdb or something depending on what lsblk says |
| 05:33.25 | annadane | the destination should be unmounted, the usb stick |
| 05:33.32 | Gigglebyte | annadane> thanks |
| 05:34.55 | annadane | https://paste.debian.net/1104979/ i know /dev/sda is my main hard drive, so i'm not going to write to that, and /dev/sdb is my external hard drive, i know it's about 500 GB and lsblk tells me that; i won't write to that either but it's the same principle as a usb stick |
| 05:35.31 | Gigglebyte | annadane> It is copying |
| 05:35.42 | annadane | you write to (for example) /dev/sdb, not /dev/sdb1, but if you want to mount/unmount you do use the number |
| 05:36.56 | annadane | i should stop overexplaining things until someone specifically asks |
| 05:37.26 | Gigglebyte | hoorah it completed |
| 05:37.54 | annadane | don't install using the live usb, either use the installer or the calamares installer in the live image |
| 05:39.24 | Gigglebyte | Need my beauty rest. bybyb |
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| 06:02.26 | nkuttler | ,v virtualbox |
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| 07:28.56 | soulisson | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:28.56 | soulisson | <soulisson> I'm trying to make smbd work on my kali vm |
| 07:28.56 | soulisson | <soulisson> but I keep getting the following error NT_STATUS_NOT_SUPPORTED listing \* when I connect with smbclient -U '' //10.10.14.28/SHARE any help would be appreciated |
| 07:30.15 | annadane | !kali |
| 07:30.15 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 07:30.25 | annadane | !based on debian |
| 07:30.25 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 07:31.00 | Haohmaru | kali is for h4x0rz |
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| 08:21.56 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, when i try to apt -y install linux-headers-$(uname -r) he can't find the package but i've the debian package repo in my sources.list |
| 08:23.05 | rocketmagnet | https://paste.debian.net/1105004/ |
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| 08:24.23 | diogenes_ | apt search linux-headers |
| 08:25.15 | rocketmagnet | https://paste.debian.net/1105005/ |
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| 08:27.28 | diogenes_ | so install the one that corresponds to your kernel and arch. |
| 08:28.28 | rocketmagnet | uname -r is my current kernel ... |
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| 08:29.56 | kopper | rocketmagnet: What kernel are you using? |
| 08:30.23 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 08:30.23 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 08:30.24 | jelly | rocketmagnet: ^ |
| 08:30.47 | jelly | also, |
| 08:30.50 | jelly | !localized errors |
| 08:30.50 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
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| 08:32.30 | rocketmagnet | kopper: 4.19.0-5-amd64 |
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| 08:33.31 | rocketmagnet | i searched for debian packages and he shows me that it's available in ftp.de.debian/debian but he still doesn't find the package |
| 08:34.11 | jelly | rocketmagnet: that kernel is old. Patch up your system first. |
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| 08:34.33 | rocketmagnet | how to do that ? |
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| 08:34.49 | jelly | rocketmagnet: the usual way. apt update; apt full-upgrade |
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| 08:36.26 | rocketmagnet | jelly: i've done that, but apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` still doesn't work |
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| 08:37.25 | jelly | rocketmagnet: reboot (into 4.19.0-6-amd64) |
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| 08:42.39 | rocketmagnet | jelly: he won't boot into the new kernel, did i miss some step after apt udpate; apt full-upgrade ?? |
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| 08:44.34 | jelly | rocketmagnet: that's pretty much it. Do you have "linux-image-amd64" package installed? |
| 08:45.05 | jelly | rocketmagnet: if not, install it |
| 08:45.16 | rocketmagnet | yes |
| 08:45.48 | jelly | rocketmagnet: and is "linux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64" installed? |
| 08:46.24 | rocketmagnet | he can't find the package |
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| 08:47.03 | rocketmagnet | it's installed |
| 08:49.09 | rocketmagnet | here is my source.list file: https://paste.debian.net/1105009/ |
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| 08:49.54 | rocketmagnet | jelly: ^ |
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| 08:54.03 | no_gravity | Good Morning! You know what would be awesome? If ctrl-r had a key combo "delete this entry from history" when flipping through the last commands. |
| 08:55.36 | jelly | rocketmagnet: it's installed but does not boot? |
| 08:56.23 | jelly | no_gravity: maybe your shell can do that. If it's bash try asking in #bash |
| 08:57.01 | ayew | no_gravity: its quite possible to set something up in your shell config to do so. the history entries are stored in $HISTFILE |
| 08:57.20 | no_gravity | ayew: But how would I intercept what ctrl-r is doing? |
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| 08:59.17 | rocketmagnet | jelly: i try again, brb |
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| 09:04.26 | rocketmagnet | jelly: i think it has something to do with my graphic driver, i need the linux-headers for the current kernel but he can't find the package |
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| 09:09.13 | rocketmagnet | jelly: i tried now different servers but none has the package =/ |
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| 09:14.07 | jelly | rocketmagnet: what does "uname -a" say, are you still on -5- ? |
| 09:15.34 | rocketmagnet | yes, i'm on -5 uname -a says: Linux workstation 4.19.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.37-5+deb10u2 (2019-08-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 09:16.48 | jelly | rocketmagnet: what happens when you try booting 4.19.0-6-amd64? |
| 09:17.51 | rocketmagnet | i try again, i try to install the nvidia-driver and set GRUB_CMD_LINE_DEFAULT="quit splash nouveau.modset=0", i change that and reboot and come back |
| 09:18.55 | humpled | quit? |
| 09:19.00 | tomreyn | modset? |
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| 09:26.50 | rocketmagnet | jelly: when i try to boot into -6 he just stop after init and doesn't start X |
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| 09:30.27 | rocketmagnet | jelly: i tried now many different servers but he still can't find the linux-headers for 5 or 6 |
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| 09:32.45 | rocketmagnet | here is my sources.list: https://paste.debian.net/1105013/ |
| 09:33.08 | rocketmagnet | jelly: ^^ |
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| 09:50.44 | rocketmagnet | jelly: i got it working with the new kernel and the nvidia-driver =) |
| 09:50.58 | annadane | !win rocketmagnet |
| 09:50.58 | dpkg | Congratulations, rocketmagnet! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut! |
| 09:51.10 | rocketmagnet | i had to to apt-get update;apt-get upgrade;apt dist-update;reboot and then it worked |
| 09:51.39 | rocketmagnet | annadane: what's that ? |
| 09:52.16 | annadane | just a bit of silliness |
| 09:52.22 | annadane | good job getting your issue resolved |
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| 09:52.32 | rocketmagnet | ty |
| 09:52.35 | premoboss | hi |
| 09:52.48 | rocketmagnet | i love linux |
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| 09:54.18 | Haohmaru | but does linux love you back? |
| 09:54.58 | annadane | debian's got that nice warm 'n fuzzy stable feel. :) |
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| 09:58.48 | rocketmagnet | Haohmaru: what for a question: sure, more than i can can love it |
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| 10:01.22 | Haohmaru | so linux is cheating on us, with you |
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| 10:08.27 | premoboss | linux loves noone. it goes along his way, you must accept it. hey, is the same beaviour of average womans :-) |
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| 10:22.36 | OrangeHope | I have a question that I hope someone can help me answer. |
| 10:22.40 | OrangeHope | If I use mknod to create a null device but want it to be a block device instead of a character device like this "$> mknod nullb b 1,3" will my new null block device then use the null block device driver from Kernel 5.3.0? |
| 10:23.29 | OrangeHope | I'm on 5.3.0 btw |
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| 10:29.03 | jelly | OrangeHope: if you got the correct major and minor, yes |
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| 10:30.58 | OrangeHope | jelly - I'm just using the same major and minor as the character device, and declare the device a block device. |
| 10:31.16 | jelly | you can't just invent a (type, major, minor) device and hope it works |
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| 10:32.00 | jelly | OrangeHope: also, loading the kernel driver typically creates the device node for you |
| 10:32.01 | OrangeHope | https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.3/block/null_blk.html |
| 10:32.22 | OrangeHope | is what I'm trying to use |
| 10:32.41 | jelly | that says nothing about the major,minor used |
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| 10:32.56 | OrangeHope | exactly |
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| 10:35.13 | jelly | so don't use b 1 3 unless you know the desired driver binds it |
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| 10:35.57 | OrangeHope | yea I figured - I will have to search for the right major and minor for the null block device driver |
| 10:36.05 | OrangeHope | thanks :) anyways |
| 10:36.34 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 10:36.35 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.3.0-trunk-686-pae (5.3.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.2.0-3-686 (5.2.17-1); bullseye: 5.2.0-3-686 (5.2.17-1); buster-backports: 5.2.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.2.9-2~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae |
| 10:36.36 | judd | (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 10:40.43 | OrangeHope | found this https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/admin-guide/devices.txt |
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| 10:41.17 | OrangeHope | but the device driver is not listed anywhere, I'm open for ideas :) |
| 10:41.39 | jelly | modprobe with some options and see if anything appears in /dev |
| 10:41.55 | OrangeHope | thanks |
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| 10:59.20 | dpkg | AMaViS (A Mail Virus Scanner) scans e-mail attachments for viruses using third-party virus scanners available for Unix environments. It resides on a Unix (Linux) machine and looks through the attached files arriving via e-mail, generates reports when a virus is found and sets the delivery on hold. Packaged for Debian as amavisd-new. http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/ #amavis on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 11:30.31 | dob1 | hi, why there is not yet buster backports? |
| 11:30.37 | annadane | there is. |
| 11:30.44 | dob1 | annadane, where? |
| 11:31.04 | annadane | same place they always are, by adding buster-backports to your sources list |
| 11:31.10 | dob1 | annadane, https://backports.debian.org/Packages/ I can only search for stretch-backports |
| 11:31.25 | annadane | ok, that's stupid |
| 11:31.50 | annadane | https://packages.debian.org/buster-backports/ |
| 11:32.18 | annadane | you can also just search packages.debian.org in general, it doesn't have a drop down menu for buster backports but if you select "all" you'll get results from it |
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| 11:34.33 | dob1 | annadane, thanks |
| 11:35.05 | jelly | ,v dehydrated |
| 11:35.06 | judd | Package: dehydrated on amd64 -- stretch: 0.3.1-3+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 0.6.2-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.6.2-2+deb10u1; buster-backports: 0.6.5-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 0.6.5-1; sid: 0.6.5-1 |
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| 11:39.32 | jelly | if there's a package version there, the repo must be there as well |
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| 12:04.08 | jozo | hello, i am executing these commands as root:hello, i am executing these commands as root: |
| 12:04.17 | jozo | cp /bin/busybox.nosuid rm; chown myuser.myuser rm; chmod u+s; rm chmod g+s rm; setcap 'cap_net_admin,cap_net_raw,cap_sys_time=+ep' rm |
| 12:04.20 | jozo | touch /bin/dmesg; ./rm /bin/dmesg |
| 12:04.22 | jozo | without setcap i am getting permission denied, why with setcap it is possible to delete /bin/dmesg ? |
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| 12:14.08 | jelly | CruX|: which debian release is this? |
| 12:14.14 | jelly | ,f bin/busybox.nosuid |
| 12:14.49 | jelly | judd: ping |
| 12:14.50 | judd | pong |
| 12:14.56 | jelly | ,file bin/busybox.nosuid |
| 12:15.00 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 12:20.23 | CruX| | jelly: it is yocto based distro |
| 12:21.36 | CruX| | jelly: i was asking if it is something linux kernel specific when binary executed by root with uid/gid "myuser", setuid/gid bits are on is able to delete files on filesystem |
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| 12:23.55 | dob1 | if I buy a laptop with uk/us keyboard how can I type accents letters? |
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| 12:31.35 | n_1-c_k | dob1, in emacs you choose a multilingual "input method" and type e.g. u00e2 which turns into â. |
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| 12:32.16 | dob1 | n_1-c_k, well, no... :) |
| 12:32.27 | dob1 | something simpler? |
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| 12:32.59 | n_1-c_k | mutters about kids these days... |
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| 12:33.58 | dob1 | n_1-c_k, it's because your language doesn't use accents letter. mine does, do you find it handy to write every time this when I have to write one character? and this is just for emacs if I have to write en email or whatever? |
| 12:33.58 | Ede|Popede | dob1: it doesn't matter at all what is printed on the keys. the code they send is the only real thing. |
| 12:34.39 | Ede|Popede | dob1: afaik there is a intl. layout for both uk and us keyboards which has an additional key (like the german kbd as an example) |
| 12:34.59 | Ede|Popede | you only select the proper keyboard layout and you're done |
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| 12:35.09 | dob1 | Ede|Popede, for example on windows If I am not wrong you can use a combination (not alt |
| 12:35.15 | dob1 | alt+ascii number) |
| 12:35.20 | dob1 | another one |
| 12:35.51 | Ede|Popede | dob1: sure, alt+code, the latter typed on the number pad iirc. decimal, hex, i don't remember |
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| 12:36.49 | Ede|Popede | in hexchat (depending on the input method i chose in the input line's context menu and i think also depending if iBUS is running or not) i type C-u or C-u-a and then the utf code in hex |
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| 12:37.25 | Ede|Popede | btw, ibus is pretty handy to switch the layout with super+space per default |
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| 12:38.23 | dob1 | Ede|Popede, I got the idea |
| 12:38.48 | Ede|Popede | AltGr (aka right alt key) works with hex i think on windows. but then you also have special sequences for their office and what not |
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| 12:39.43 | dob1 | Ede|Popede, but I would like to find something fast, so changing layout is the idea |
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| 12:40.06 | Ede|Popede | dob1: and if you want the whole circus, select the german T3 layout (wikipedia has a nice image showing it, feels like half of the keys have some diacritics on them) |
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| 13:14.49 | telmac | google chrome was crashing, after a few things I tried uninstalling and reinstalling |
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| 13:15.27 | telmac | among other things I think there's problems with my sources.list |
| 13:15.32 | telmac | W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/dl.google.com_linux_chrome_deb_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages) |
| 13:15.52 | telmac | I'm not sure what this corresponds to - as in, my sources.list does not contain any such entry twice etc |
| 13:15.57 | telmac | maybe it |
| 13:16.17 | telmac | it's like, if there's a name collision then you get this error? |
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| 13:18.51 | telmac | hm okay, so I reinstalled google-chrome-stable and apt didn't complain, but it's now so broken I can't even get to settings to set everything to default |
| 13:19.13 | greycat | telmac: grep -r google /etc/apt/sources* |
| 13:19.36 | telmac | where /etc/apt/sources.list:deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main |
| 13:19.39 | telmac | /etc/apt/sources.list~:#deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main |
| 13:19.42 | telmac | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main |
| 13:19.45 | telmac | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main |
| 13:19.48 | telmac | oh huh |
| 13:19.56 | greycat | the should help you find the duplicates |
| 13:19.57 | telmac | is it like, when you edit sources.list and then update, it like goes and modifies a file somewhere else? |
| 13:20.08 | greycat | You can ignore the one that ends with ~ as that's just a text editor's backup copy. |
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| 13:21.03 | greycat | Yes, running apt-get update (or apt update) downloads the package lists into /var/lib/apt/lists/. |
| 13:21.30 | telmac | neat |
| 13:22.14 | telmac | so where would chrome's config files be so I can just like, delete all of them? |
| 13:22.55 | greycat | grep showed you all of the matching results |
| 13:23.09 | telmac | ? |
| 13:23.18 | greycat | oh, you changed the question on me. |
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| 13:23.37 | Haohmaru | he cheatin'! |
| 13:23.46 | greycat | there's ~/.cache/google-chrome and ~/.config/google-chrome for starters |
| 13:24.03 | greycat | there could be more, who knows |
| 13:28.22 | telmac | hm well it's fixed I suppose |
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| 13:43.58 | Borkot | Hello all people! |
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| 13:48.10 | laptop__ | I had a quick question I have a core2duo 2.2 ghz 4 gb ram, basically a potatoes and I am wondering rather than go through the process of trying to install the games via wine would it be better to try windows 10 since dxvk and esync will likely not work with an intel gma 3100 processor (no vulkan support) and barely directx 10, I have windows 10 home base edition as well |
| 13:48.22 | laptop__ | I am using debian 10 now |
| 13:49.24 | jelly | laptop__: maybe find a cheap amd or even nvidia card that has vulkan |
| 13:49.41 | laptop__ | it is a laptop sadly |
| 13:49.52 | premoboss | laptop__, in my opinion, you are trying to enter in a hell... i talk about to use wine. my experiences quite poor with it. bu i talk about 15 years ago. good luck, anyway. |
| 13:49.57 | laptop__ | if you do not have vulkan you do not have directx10 |
| 13:50.02 | Borkot | I am 9 stretch |
| 13:50.09 | premoboss | sorry, i mean 5, not 15. |
| 13:50.20 | laptop__ | I am using lutris on debian |
| 13:50.33 | jelly | what's that |
| 13:50.35 | jelly | !lutris |
| 13:50.36 | premoboss | what lutris is? |
| 13:50.36 | laptop__ | it runs somethings faster but you are right buy a new laptop or switch |
| 13:51.01 | laptop__ | lutris is a gameplatform for wine that is highly customizable |
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| 13:52.49 | jelly | ah, a wrapper for wine and other goodies |
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| 13:54.48 | jelly | laptop__: I could barely play native Portal (first one) on an i5-650 intel gpu on 1024x768, and that's 1 generation newer than c2d |
| 13:55.01 | a90c | Which tools do you prefer to develop desktop app on debian based distros? |
| 13:56.01 | jelly | laptop__: wouldn't bother with any intel gpu older than sandybridge generation |
| 13:56.05 | laptop__ | you are right but on my laptop on windows 7 I was able to play swtor, lotro and native portal at reasonable speeds, I will stick to debian for basic browsing and computing |
| 13:57.34 | jelly | but that's native windows, and 7 which is comparably old. linux drivers for gpus older than sandybridge were quite buggy. |
| 13:58.01 | jelly | (and I was told it was because the chips were buggy themselves) |
| 13:58.37 | jelly | I'd keep win7 around for games that work there. |
| 13:59.01 | oiaohm | jelly: the bugs in the older intel gpus use to turn up for windows users as well in different games. |
| 13:59.18 | oiaohm | Linux desktop envorments using opengl heavily use to hit problems a lot more often. |
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| 14:01.57 | laptop__ | how do I get directx10 supported video card to work withlinux when it is not vulkan supported |
| 14:02.05 | laptop__ | can I use opengl |
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| 14:04.29 | jelly | laptop__: you can try, but as I said, opengl will be rather buggy |
| 14:04.58 | laptop__ | so better on windows 10 even though it is a memory hog, also less chance of getting banned I suppose |
| 14:06.22 | jelly | I can't comment on best windows for gaming (or anything really). My gut feeling is "keep win7 if at all possible" |
| 14:06.53 | jelly | ##windows channel would be a better choice for that part of the question |
| 14:07.01 | oiaohm | laptop__: that a card is directx 10 supported really means nothing to Linux platforms. |
| 14:07.29 | oiaohm | laptop__: opengl support and vulkan support are both factors for Linux. |
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| 14:27.56 | jelly | ,v haproxy |
| 14:27.57 | judd | Package: haproxy on amd64 -- jessie-security: 1.5.8-3+deb8u1; jessie: 1.5.8-3+deb8u2; stretch: 1.7.5-2; stretch-backports: 1.8.19-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.8.19-1; buster-backports: 2.0.7-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.0.7-1; sid: 2.0.7-1 |
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| 14:51.13 | trui | let's see... "All packages are up to date." yup, good morning confirmed |
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| 15:02.53 | trui | when you start using debian again, install apticron, but apt update every day anyways ;) |
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| 15:19.55 | trui | meanwhile on termux-- "15 updates??" |
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| 15:34.16 | SerajewelKS | rwp: btw the iscsi server i use is tgt. it's implemented 100% in userspace which means that it works on any kernel, but may not perform as well as an in-kernel server. |
| 15:34.33 | SerajewelKS | rwp: or at least the ethernet iscsi implementation is in userspace, which is what most people care about |
| 15:35.14 | SerajewelKS | rwp: unless the system is either very slow or very busy, something else is probably going to be the bottleneck anyway (disk, network) |
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| 15:44.52 | KOLANICH | Hello. Could anyone explain libdnf depends on libpython3.7 (>= 3.7.5); however: Version of libpython3.7:amd64 on system is 3.7.5~rc1-1. |
| 15:44.53 | KOLANICH | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:51.03 | trui | as in, you think since it's rc1 it wouldn't qualify, or? KOLANICH |
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| 15:53.57 | jelly | KOLANICH: which debian release are you using? |
| 15:54.01 | jelly | ,v libpython3.7 |
| 15:54.02 | judd | Package: libpython3.7 on amd64 -- buster: 3.7.3-2; bullseye: 3.7.5~rc1-1; sid: 3.7.5~rc1-1 |
| 15:54.16 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 15:54.16 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:54.21 | KOLANICH | jelly: Ubuntu :) |
| 15:54.29 | jelly | KOLANICH: wrong channel, then |
| 15:54.59 | KOLANICH | jelly: the question is not about channel. it is about deb format. |
| 15:55.12 | KOLANICH | jelly: I am making a package. |
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| 15:56.31 | jelly | KOLANICH: two things: 1) this is a Debian distro channel. There's a distro-agnostic deb packaging channel: #packaging over on irc.oftc.net (same as irc.debian.org) 2) breakage in package dependencies is a distro and release specific issue. |
| 15:57.17 | KOLANICH | jelly: thanks for the info. |
| 15:57.32 | jelly | KOLANICH: ~ in package version means "consider version 1.0~anything as strictly lower than just 1.0" |
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| 15:58.09 | jelly | KOLANICH: so 3.7.5~rc1 is lower than 3.7.5, as it should be |
| 15:58.39 | jelly | and that's all the free info I'll provide here :-) |
| 15:58.44 | KOLANICH | jelly: thanks |
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| 16:02.37 | trui | ubuntu doesn't pay debian enough :P jk |
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| 16:05.12 | jelly | trui: Ubuntu might not, but there's a good number of debian developers who are also Canonical employees |
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| 16:06.44 | trui | yeah, i know there's assistance in other ways, thus the jk |
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| 16:08.31 | trui | imagine if debian had to support every child and grandchild of debian though, haha |
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| 16:10.05 | trui | i wonder what that distrocount is at |
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| 16:12.23 | jelly | I'd support them if someone paid enough! |
| 16:14.38 | SerajewelKS | everyone has a price |
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| 16:20.03 | trui | getting paid to help support people using free software is only a win |
| 16:20.40 | trui | and the good ideas from other distros can be brought to debian ;) |
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| 16:24.11 | litb | hello folks |
| 16:24.32 | litb | how do I get this folder? /lib/modules/4.19.0-6-amd64/build |
| 16:24.45 | litb | what package do I need? BCC perf tools need this |
| 16:24.52 | greycat | ,file 4.19.0-6-amd64/build |
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| 16:24.58 | judd | Search for 4.19.0-6-amd64/build in buster/amd64: linux-headers-4.19.0-6-amd64: lib/modules/4.19.0-6-amd64/build |
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| 16:32.07 | BCMM | litb: you can do `apt-file find /lib/modules/4.19.0-6-amd64/build` to find which package provides a given file |
| 16:32.51 | BCMM | litb: by the way, it's usually a good idea to have the headers that correspond to your current kernel installed anyway. quite a few different things might need it. |
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| 16:33.16 | jelly | they just found out about one of those things |
| 16:34.06 | BCMM | if you've got the linux-image-amd64 metapackage installed to keep your kernel up to date, consider installing linux-headers-amd64 to keep the matching headers around |
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| 16:44.28 | zumba_addict | Hi all. Where can I find ansible 2.5.2 version? |
| 16:44.35 | zumba_addict | deb package |
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| 16:45.34 | greycat | ,v ansible |
| 16:45.35 | judd | Package: ansible on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.2+dfsg-2; jessie-security: 1.7.2+dfsg-2+deb8u2; stretch: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 2.7.5+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.7.7+dfsg-1; bullseye: 2.7.8+dfsg-1; sid: 2.8.3+dfsg-1 |
| 16:45.49 | BCMM | zumba_addict: are you sure you specifically need an older version? |
| 16:45.58 | greycat | are you looking for 2.5.2 because it's *older* than yours, or *newer* than yours? |
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| 16:46.26 | zumba_addict | yes, I need the older version since the version I'm looking for is the one being used in our packer server |
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| 16:47.09 | BCMM | what, is it not backwards compatible even within the same major version? |
| 16:47.14 | zumba_addict | packer I mean, we are building ami images and we have a dedicated linux instance for it. I can upgrade it but won't want to do that now since it's more politics |
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| 16:48.42 | greycat | well, the literal answer to your question is http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/ansible/ but the real answer is "whhyyyyyy" |
| 16:48.46 | BCMM | looks like that version *was* packaged back when Buster was testing https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/ansible/news/?page=2 |
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| 16:49.11 | BCMM | so it should bin available in snapshots, assuming it didn't have library dependencies that are no longer meetable |
| 16:49.16 | zumba_addict | the feature I want to use was only committed in 2.6.x version |
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| 16:49.30 | greycat | then 2.5.2 won't work, will it? |
| 16:49.34 | zumba_addict | I chatted to the ansible author few mins ago |
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| 16:50.05 | zumba_addict | I would like to make sure if it's really going to fail since he wasn't sure if it was really on 2.6 or earlier |
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| 16:52.06 | jelly | zumba_addict: eh, just get a tarball from upstream and set up a separate virtualenv for each version |
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| 16:52.16 | imgrey | Hi |
| 16:52.20 | zumba_addict | yep, great idea |
| 16:52.23 | imgrey | I and my friends work on a Dropbox alternative. |
| 16:52.23 | imgrey | Could you send me questionnaire so we make sure we move to the right direction ? |
| 16:52.23 | imgrey | https://forms.gle/XpA2e74V7N12uFRY9 |
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| 16:55.16 | jelly | BCMM: ansible is a kind of a mess wrt backward compat, sometimes modules make or break even when the number at the "patch" level changes. 2.5 to 2.6 loses support for some older pythons, replaces a vmware module with newer one that is buggy |
| 16:55.41 | BCMM | that sounds like a mess. why even have a minor number? |
| 16:55.54 | Gigglebyte | I have some type of problem with booting from a live CD, and not sure what to think of it. I created a live cd for Debian 10.1.0, but only grub shows up when I try to boot on the afflicted computer. Any idea what is causing this? |
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| 16:55.59 | jelly | BCMM: you want to manage RHEL/CentOS5? Keep an old version handy, newer requires minimum py2.6... |
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| 17:00.27 | Gigglebyte | I'm going to try to boot from the live cd on this computer to see if there is any difference. Back in a few minutes. |
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| 17:08.34 | Gigglebyte | I tried booting from the Debian Live Boot Stick on the current computer, but none of my two boot sticks are showing up in the bios. This wasn't a problem with the other laptop where I am trying to install it. Incidentally both boot sticks show up after bootup, but not in the bios. There is a warning message at bootup that I am missing usb 1.1 something firmware, but I don't find that firmware on Dell's website, nor in the Debian |
| 17:08.34 | Gigglebyte | respository. |
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| 17:11.07 | jelly | Gigglebyte: how did you write the usb stick(s)? |
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| 17:11.45 | Gigglebyte | su password cp Desktop/file-name /dev/sdb2 |
| 17:12.03 | Centreline | Hi, I have a issue with kernel headers and backport kernels trying to compile 3rd party modules outside the tree (TBS6985 dvb-s2 capture card). If I use signed kernel, it compiles but then refuses to insmod because the compiled modules are not signed If I switch to unsigned, and recompile I get lots of errors about relocation tables. Paste here of some output https://pastebin.com/bch6Uk66 |
| 17:12.32 | jelly | Gigglebyte: you need to write the iso directly to whole device, ie. /dev/sdb in that example, not a partition like /dev/sdb2 |
| 17:12.34 | Gigglebyte | jelly> Debian OS appears to be on the memory stick, but the boot seems to be missing. Am I correct that the cp command doesn't create the boot for a Live CD? |
| 17:13.15 | Gigglebyte | jelly> Do you know of a burning program that will allow me to burn to a USB? The burner on this laptop only writes to a cd/dvdrw |
| 17:13.26 | jelly | Gigglebyte: cp is just fine. |
| 17:13.28 | jhutchins_wk1 | How do I see what PVs are part of an LV? |
| 17:13.57 | Gigglebyte | jelly> It didn't work. I only get prompted for the grub command at bootup instead of the live cd presenting a boot menu. |
| 17:14.16 | jelly | Gigglebyte: did you write it to the whole usb stick? |
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| 17:15.24 | jelly | (this will overwrite the current partition table, you'll lose all data on that stick) |
| 17:15.43 | Gigglebyte | jelly> No, I wrote it to one of two partitions on the boot stick: the two partitions are sdb1 and sdb2. I wrote it to sdb1. |
| 17:16.08 | jelly | Gigglebyte: you absolutely need to write it to whole /dev/sdb |
| 17:16.09 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: "pvs" or "vgdisplay -v vgname". LVs are part of a VG. |
| 17:17.07 | Gigglebyte | jelly> Ok, in that case I need help removing the firmware from partition 2 which I don't know how to access. In the past I was able to boot from this memory stick when Stretch was on it, but had to boot first before I could access the 2nd partition. |
| 17:17.27 | greycat | Gigglebyte: once you overwrite the stick, there will be no "partition 2" any more |
| 17:17.36 | Gigglebyte | greycat> I know that. |
| 17:17.49 | greycat | then why do you think you have to remove something from partition 2? |
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| 17:41.18 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Thanks. Had to figure out how many PVs made up the swap lv. |
| 17:41.42 | greycat | PVs do not make up an LV. PVs make up a VG. |
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| 17:45.21 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Well, the swap is what is mounted, so I had to figure out if it was composed of more than one PV. I know there are other ways to arrange things, but we tend to add PVs to (VGs then) LVs to expand them. If this had been on more than one PV I would have a different strategy for shrinking it. |
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| 17:45.41 | jhutchins_wk | 9Not technically mounted I guess.) |
| 17:46.00 | eb0t | hey i am setting up a printer on localhost:631 ..i entered user and password rather than root |
| 17:46.10 | eb0t | now when i wnat to go back and enter root and password |
| 17:46.24 | eb0t | it just auto goes to user and says forbidden |
| 17:46.30 | eb0t | hmm maybe my browser has logged it |
| 17:46.55 | jhutchins_wk | eb0t: Close your browser (all windows). If necessary, clear cach/cookies. |
| 17:47.08 | greycat | https://superuser.com/questions/596225/entered-wrong-username-at-cups-and-now-i-cant-manage-printers/597013 |
| 17:47.34 | eb0t | thanks jhutchins_wk |
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| 17:48.19 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: you might find this useful then: lvs -o +devices |
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| 17:51.41 | f-a | how do I check whether my machine is "OpenGL 2.1 / OpenGL ES 2.0 compatible hardware"? |
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| 17:53.40 | SerajewelKS | f-a: to run what? |
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| 17:53.58 | f-a | https://godotengine.org/download/linux SerajewelKS |
| 17:54.13 | f-a | (under "requirements") |
| 17:54.48 | SerajewelKS | if you have an AMD/nvidia GPU then those are |
| 17:55.07 | SerajewelKS | onboard GPUs might be, but even if not i think mesa implements that spec in software. it would just be slower using software rendering. |
| 17:55.07 | greycat | f-a: I'd start with "glxinfo | grep OpenGL" but I know very little about this stuff |
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| 17:55.40 | f-a | greycat: SerajewelKS http://www.ariis.it/link/t/paste20776-0 |
| 17:56.16 | SerajewelKS | well there you go then, the answer is yes |
| 17:56.22 | SerajewelKS | at least in software since mesa is involved |
| 17:56.46 | SerajewelKS | performance may not be good but it should run at least |
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| 17:57.32 | f-a | very good, thanks SerajewelKS |
| 17:57.53 | SerajewelKS | oh neat, the engine implemented their own embedded language. because there aren't enough embedded languages that already exist. |
| 17:58.05 | SerajewelKS | everyone seems to have the NIH problem |
| 17:58.50 | f-a | referring to godot? |
| 17:59.13 | SerajewelKS | yes |
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| 18:00.45 | f-a | maybe it is tailored to folks without a programming background (I can only speculate, never used it) |
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| 18:04.35 | SerajewelKS | it looks a lot like python. they could have just used python or javascript or anything else that many people know. |
| 18:04.43 | SerajewelKS | but it's not my project *shrug* |
| 18:05.08 | SerajewelKS | just seems silly to me that every game engine has to invent their own language |
| 18:06.38 | f-a | You might not be the target demographic! Javascript has some surprising parts |
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| 18:10.38 | SerajewelKS | f-a: sure but if the environment forces strict mode, most of them go away |
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| 18:29.11 | solido | hello! |
| 18:29.28 | solido | am i being an idiot, or are there no multiarch installer dvd images? i only find cd ones. |
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| 18:32.05 | BCMM | solido: what exactly is a multi-arch image? is it just a netinst that can be used on both amd64 and i386 systems? |
| 18:32.54 | solido | BCMM: yes, an installer image that runs on and can install i386 and amd64. |
| 18:33.34 | BCMM | solido: it looks like it's nearly double the size of an amd64 netinst |
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| 18:34.43 | BCMM | so as full installer DVDs instead of netinst, i guess that would mean turning a three DVD collection in to a six DVD collection |
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| 18:35.04 | BCMM | at which point you might as just have two sets of three DVDs instead |
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| 18:36.33 | solido | is it possible to write the multi-arch netinst and then some of the extra installation media to different partitions on a usb storage device, and have the installer find and use the extra partitions? |
| 18:36.48 | greycat | !debian-boot |
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| 18:36.59 | greycat | !d-i |
| 18:36.59 | dpkg | Information about the development of the debian-installer is at the developers page http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>. |
| 18:37.06 | greycat | Ask them ^^ |
| 18:37.08 | solido | ok. |
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| 19:04.01 | Ede|Popede | hm. any chance to leave $PWD inside a script or do i have to `cd` before it is started? |
| 19:04.21 | greycat | you can cd inside a script, as many times as you like |
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| 19:05.40 | Ede|Popede | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.01 | Ede|Popede | i think mc had a wrapper script in the past (maybe it's still there) to be able to leave it at the directory which is open before quit, iirc by writing it to stdout at the end |
| 19:08.12 | Habbie | Ede|Popede, it's more likely that some parent process is still in that dir |
| 19:08.27 | greycat | You ... seem to be confused about the difference between where the script is located, and the script's current working directory. These are very different. |
| 19:08.34 | Habbie | Ede|Popede, fuser -m inside the script could tell you if that's the case |
| 19:08.55 | greycat | or even fuser -m *outside* the script |
| 19:09.44 | greycat | the fact that the script is "copied to /root and reexecuted from there" has absolutely no bearing on its current working directory, which is simply inherited from its parent |
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| 19:10.26 | greycat | if I'm in /home/greg and I run /usr/local/bin/slowscript, slowscript's current working directory is /home/greg |
| 19:11.23 | dob1 | I want to use rsync dry-run to see get a list of files in source but not in destination |
| 19:11.39 | dob1 | I just use rsync --dry-run source destination ? |
| 19:12.00 | dob1 | sorry I am confused |
| 19:12.08 | dob1 | it's the opposite |
| 19:12.27 | dob1 | I just swap source with dest |
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| 19:13.51 | greycat | probably want to add -a, and be very specific and careful about where you use trailing slashes in rsync's arguments |
| 19:14.22 | greycat | When in doubt, I prefer to cd into the source dir, and use . as the argument. rsync -a --dry-run . /dest/ |
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| 19:15.44 | dob1 | greycat, I am using rsync to copy the files from source to destination but when a file is deleted from source I don't delete it on destination. Now I would like to get an idea of the files that there were deleted on source |
| 19:15.56 | Ede|Popede | greycat: yeah, so i can't start it from /mnt. running it from / -- which is fine since i can do something like `mount $partition /mnt && /mnt/$script` -- works, copied it into /root, `exec`'ing it from there (next stage), all fine. i think this is still about which shell it actually is, both times $SHLVL reports 2, so i see no subshell here |
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| 19:17.01 | greycat | Ede|Popede: what's the actual problem you are seeing? |
| 19:17.37 | Ede|Popede | Habbie: i think i didn't use fuser before, or at least i didn't for a very long time. gives me TONS of entries like '1rce 2rc 3rc[â¦]', doesn't look like something i would remember to have seen it before |
| 19:18.02 | Habbie | Ede|Popede, this is fuser -m /mnt ? |
| 19:18.04 | greycat | those are the PIDs that have the target open |
| 19:18.21 | greycat | IIRC "c" means it's opened as the current working directory |
| 19:18.30 | Habbie | correct |
| 19:18.36 | Habbie | 'man fuser' opens with a nice list of those btw |
| 19:18.38 | Ede|Popede | greycat: it reports that /mnt is still in use. i thought that 'exec' would replace the shell and thus freeing the /mnt directory where i've been when starting the script |
| 19:18.45 | Habbie | it should |
| 19:18.50 | Habbie | but that doesn't help against any other PIDs |
| 19:19.39 | greycat | Ede|Popede: still not enough detailed background info supplied. Did you run this script from an interactive shell? If so, what directory were YOU, the shell user, in? |
| 19:20.57 | Ede|Popede | hm. i log into tty2, mount /mnt, cd into it, start the script from there. and can't umount it later. but if i stay in / and use /mnt/live (the script name) i can. i don't think it would make a difference, but i'll reboot that machine to have a guaranteed clean environment |
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| 19:21.06 | greycat | 15:20 Ede|Popede> hm. i log into tty2, mount /mnt, cd into it, |
| 19:21.11 | greycat | See, there's the issue. |
| 19:21.30 | greycat | All these processes are in /mnt because you were in /mnt when you ran the script. |
| 19:21.46 | greycat | It doesn't matter where the *script* is. |
| 19:22.32 | greycat | (well, I mean... it kinda does, because the shell will also hold the script file open for reading, but that's separate from having /mnt as its working directory) |
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| 19:23.07 | Ede|Popede | i know, and the `cd`ing was the issue. it doesn't work from inside the script, not even executing (and so replacing the shell) frees the directory. |
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| 19:23.33 | greycat | The script can cd before it does anything, and that *would* help, in theory, but your interactive shell is *STILL in /mnt*. |
| 19:23.58 | greycat | The script cd-ing somewhere will not magically make your sleeping interactive shell cd in tandem. |
| 19:24.17 | Ede|Popede | so doing a 'cd' inside the shell doesn't seem to really be the same as doing it before it starts |
| 19:24.31 | Ede|Popede | so still a subshell situation? |
| 19:24.50 | greycat | You mean inside the script? Correct, cd inside a script will NOT free up the directory that your INTERACTIVE SHELL is SITTING IN. |
| 19:25.00 | greycat | Why do I have to repeat myself 20 times? |
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| 19:26.59 | theciaguy | greycat: It's like 20/400 hearing. |
| 19:27.25 | Ede|Popede | did a ps fax in a script. next with the copy/exec situation. |
| 19:28.13 | jhutchins_wk | I've never been able to get much out of lsof, but that might be of interest. |
| 19:28.17 | greycat | You login, you mount /mnt, and you cd /mnt. Now your interactive shell is in /mnt. Next you run a command, let's call it "foo". Both your interactive shell (bash) and the new process (foo) have /mnt open as their current working directory. |
| 19:28.32 | greycat | Now if foo does "cd /", foo no longer has /mnt open as CWD, but bash STILL DOES. |
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| 19:31.41 | ws2k3 | im running debian in docker but it seems the top and uptime command are not found. any command i can use to install that? |
| 19:31.46 | Ede|Popede | i think that's what irritates me. somehow i thought shell scripts would be different from say python/perl/whatever scripts and binaries. running inside the shell. but my -bash had a child process '/bin/bash ./subshell' in the test now |
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| 19:38.16 | somiaj | ws2k3: you can use apt-file or packages.debian.org to see the package it is a part of |
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| 19:38.49 | somiaj | ws2k3: they are part of the 'procps' package |
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| 19:52.00 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: I take it you did not build the docker container from scratch but used a pre-built image. |
| 19:52.03 | jhutchins_wk | !docker |
| 19:52.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, docker is #docker on chat.freenode.net |
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| 21:32.32 | xaeB5 | hi i'm running debian 10 and trying to install a .deb from a developer's website which isn't packaged by debian. he said it depends on a package in Debian 9, so to install that manually from packages.debian.org (https://packages.debian.org/stretch/python-gtksourceview2) but trying to install that manually gives its own set of dependency missing errors. is there a way to download something with all its dependencies or do i have to do |
| 21:32.32 | xaeB5 | it one by one? |
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| 21:33.19 | towo` | xaeB5, apt install ./path/to/secret.deb |
| 21:33.41 | xaeB5 | towo`: how would that help me with dependencies? |
| 21:33.47 | towo` | sure |
| 21:33.53 | xaeB5 | sure what |
| 21:33.56 | towo` | you should really learn some basics |
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| 21:34.12 | xaeB5 | ok you're an idiot. anyone else that actually knows what they are talking about? |
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| 21:34.30 | towo` | xaeB5, apt is able to resolve dependenxys, dpkg is not |
| 21:34.51 | xaeB5 | the packages aren't available in my version i said |
| 21:34.54 | xaeB5 | how would it resolve them |
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| 21:35.24 | xaeB5 | my sources.list only has buster lines and the dependency packages are not in buster. |
| 21:35.25 | theciaguy | After calling him an idiot, I wouldn't be surprised if you don't get an answer. |
| 21:35.29 | towo` | xaeB5, blind? apt install /path/to/secret.deb is local |
| 21:35.43 | theciaguy | Second, do not install a package from Debian 9 on buster. |
| 21:35.44 | xaeB5 | that doesn't explain how it would find non-local .debs |
| 21:35.46 | theciaguy | !frankendebian |
| 21:35.46 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 21:36.17 | towo` | xaeB5, now you sould ask yourself, who is the idiot here |
| 21:36.35 | theciaguy | Please stop, both of you. |
| 21:36.40 | annadane | i thought you actually could install packages from older suites, it just can't be newer... but that probably depends on the package |
| 21:36.52 | theciaguy | I still would strongly advise against it. |
| 21:36.58 | annadane | i probably would too |
| 21:36.59 | theciaguy | Multiple releases is multiple releases. |
| 21:37.06 | jmcnaught | yeah installing packages from an older Debian should be fine, it's installing from a newer one that messes things up |
| 21:37.07 | xaeB5 | towo`: well you haven't explained how that would pull dependencies from a repo that isn't even in sources.list |
| 21:37.24 | jmcnaught | apt will always prefer the newest version of a package |
| 21:38.04 | theciaguy | !ssb |
| 21:38.04 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 21:38.11 | towo` | xaeB5, but stretch in your sources ... done |
| 21:38.13 | theciaguy | What's the command to check if a package can be backported? |
| 21:38.18 | theciaguy | xaeB5: Do NOT do that. |
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| 21:38.27 | annadane | ,checkbackport |
| 21:38.28 | judd | (checkbackport <packagename> [--fromrelease <sid>] [--torelease <stable>] [--arch <amd64>] [--verbose]) -- Check that the build-dependencies listed by a package in the release specified as "fromrelease" are satisfiable for in "torelease" for the given host architecture. By default, a backport from unstable to the current stable release and amd64 are used. |
| 21:38.32 | xaeB5 | yea i don't need these canned responses theciaguy. |
| 21:39.00 | theciaguy | xaeB5: I'm actively trying to be helpful. Shut your proverbial mouth and you might get a useful answer. |
| 21:39.17 | theciaguy | ,checkbackport python-gtksourceview2 --fromrelease sid --torelease buster |
| 21:39.18 | judd | Backporting package python-gtksourceview2 in sidâbuster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster. |
| 21:39.43 | theciaguy | xaeB5: And there's your answer. You can safely backport that package from sid to buster using the simple sid backport method that was part of the "canned response." |
| 21:39.49 | theciaguy | !ssb |
| 21:39.50 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 21:39.51 | theciaguy | That one. |
| 21:40.51 | xaeB5 | ok that isn't really any different than was i was going to do, which was just download and install those few files manually instead of adding sid to my sources.list |
| 21:41.20 | theciaguy | Or, maybe, stop assuming you know everything and actually read. |
| 21:41.28 | theciaguy | That's on you. :) |
| 21:42.56 | warsoul | whats the command line to add user to sudo |
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| 21:43.15 | theciaguy | warsoul: Assuming you've kept the default sudoers file intact, you simply add the user to the sudo group. |
| 21:43.34 | theciaguy | And, of course, make sure the sudo package itself is installed. |
| 21:44.04 | warsoul | how do i add it? |
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| 21:44.34 | jmcnaught | adduser <user> sudo |
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| 21:45.29 | RoyK | warsoul: man usermod |
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| 21:55.27 | karlpinc | !sudoers |
| 21:55.27 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". Re-login to gain group membership. See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information. |
| 21:56.44 | warsoul | im getting this error |
| 21:56.48 | warsoul | No module named pip |
| 21:57.41 | annadane | you're not telling us what you're doing |
| 21:58.08 | annadane | !smart questions |
| 21:58.08 | dpkg | Asking the right question can be hard, and effective communication is easier if you give us extra information. https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html has some suggestions. The key points are: tell us what you actually did and what you were trying to achieve, provide the full command and full output in a <pastebin>. |
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| 21:59.22 | warsoul | installing limnoria bot |
| 21:59.25 | warsoul | with python3 |
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| 21:59.42 | annadane | limnoria is already packaged for debian |
| 21:59.47 | annadane | ,v limnoria |
| 21:59.48 | judd | Package: limnoria on amd64 -- stretch: 2017.01.10-1; stretch-backports: 2019.02.23-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2019.02.23-1; buster-backports: 2019.09.08-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2019.09.08-1; sid: 2019.09.08-1 |
| 21:59.51 | annadane | just apt install it |
| 22:03.57 | warsoul | ok |
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| 22:13.08 | annadane | does anyone know if thunar changed its behavior? i feel like you used to be able to type a filename in the main view window and it would highlight it, now i can only type the first letter and it doesn't allow anything else |
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| 22:14.29 | karlpinc | warsoul: You can safely use pip to install a non-debian python package if you use a python virtual environment. |
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| 22:14.50 | karlpinc | warsoul: So you can get a newer version if that is necessary. |
| 22:14.51 | annadane | i use python3-venv, for instance |
| 22:15.15 | annadane | luckily, if you do need a newer version limnoria is in backports |
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| 22:17.43 | ryouma | i want to measure fan speed and cpu temperature on stretch, perhaps using gkrellm, to diagnose an intermittent grinding sound on an 11yo dell. what is my first step? |
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| 22:23.57 | somiaj | ryouma: install gkrellm? You may also need to install lm-sensors and maybe run use its tools to detect and configure the sensors on your machine. |
| 22:24.09 | somiaj | gkrellm probably already installs lm-sensors as its depends |
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| 22:36.04 | BCMM | apparently libsensors5 only suggests lm-sensors. not quite sure how you're supposed to use it without... |
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| 22:39.23 | somiaj | it could be lm-sensors is only a front end to libsensors5 and other tools like gkrellm and conky only need the libary |
| 22:39.36 | somiaj | as it just provides cli tools, and if one done'st need the cli tools, it is only suggested |
| 22:40.04 | BCMM | oh, that's probably it |
| 22:40.54 | BCMM | yeah, the lm-sensors package could equally well be called lm-sensors-bin or something |
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| 22:46.40 | ryouma | gkrellm has a sensors setting. but nothing i click on does anything. |
| 22:47.54 | ryouma | i also tried this: "~# mbmon -r -P 411" which says "No Hardware Monitor found!! InitMBInfo: Success" |
| 22:48.05 | ryouma | (that command was suggested by gkrellm) |
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| 23:04.59 | saptech | how do I search the sources repo for files? |
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| 23:08.05 | ryouma | i have mbmon and lm-sensors installed. there is no lm-sensors-* |
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| 23:10.18 | ryouma | should i try psensor? all i want to do is monitor something to find out what is making grinding noise |
| 23:12.38 | BCMM | if you have read errors in dmesg, your hdd is making the grinding noise. otherwise, it's a fan bearing. |
| 23:12.50 | BCMM | (not 100% accurate but pretty good odds) |
| 23:12.59 | ryouma | ok |
| 23:13.11 | ryouma | what should i search for in dmesg |
| 23:13.30 | ryouma | "error" does not appear if i run dmesg |
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| 23:16.20 | LtL | ryouma: did you run sensors-detect ? |
| 23:16.53 | ryouma | i will try |
| 23:17.24 | LtL | ryouma: say yes to everything |
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| 23:19.01 | ryouma | LtL: oops, i pressed return on everything |
| 23:19.11 | ryouma | LtL: it says to add coretemp to /etc/modules |
| 23:19.56 | ryouma | does that sound like a reasonable thing to do? like it won't make half the earth explode? if so i will say yes to that. teh default is no. |
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| 23:20.24 | LtL | ryouma: it defaults to yes if i recall, and yes to coretemp, then it will all work. sensors command, gkrellm, conky et al |
| 23:20.43 | LtL | say yes |
| 23:20.46 | ryouma | defaults to no here on stretch, but great, i will try it! |
| 23:20.51 | LtL | nothing blows up |
| 23:21.55 | ryouma | will also run /etc/init.d/kmod start |
| 23:21.56 | warsoul | how can i add a debian logo and pc info when open terminal? |
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| 23:23.07 | ryouma | no sensor data apparent in gkrellm |
| 23:23.35 | BCMM | warsoul: are you talking about neofetch output (as seen in every single screenshot of linux these days)? |
| 23:23.36 | LtL | ryouma: does 'sensors' work in a terminal |
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| 23:23.55 | warsoul | BCMM, let me see one |
| 23:24.00 | warsoul | yo see if is what i want |
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| 23:24.49 | BCMM | warsoul: for example https://i.redd.it/2lpt7dfndvu11.png |
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| 23:25.18 | warsoul | exactly |
| 23:25.22 | LtL | ryouma: in gkrellm click builtins and you see what you can set to show you. |
| 23:25.24 | warsoul | BCMM, something like that |
| 23:26.13 | ryouma | yeah sensors seems to work https://termbin.com/2ga9 |
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| 23:26.46 | LtL | ryouma: in gkrellm configuration, click builtins |
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| 23:27.11 | LtL | ryouma: it may need restarting |
| 23:27.12 | ryouma | yeah it is the builtins sensors entry that has entries for sensors but acts as if it is greyed out |
| 23:27.16 | ryouma | ah |
| 23:27.53 | BCMM | warsoul: you could do `apt install neofetch` (as root), and then add `neofetch` to your ~/.bashrc |
| 23:28.15 | warsoul | and can i edit it? |
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| 23:29.19 | BCMM | warsoul: it has a lot of options |
| 23:29.40 | BCMM | if you want to turn some types of information off or something |
| 23:29.55 | warsoul | ok |
| 23:29.59 | warsoul | where can i check that? |
| 23:30.14 | BCMM | man neofetch or neofetch --help |
| 23:30.29 | ryouma | LtL: the types of temperatures (cpu and video card) shows up under the setup for sensors, but there is no obvious place to enable it to be shown in gkrellm |
| 23:30.50 | ryouma | (i restarted) |
| 23:30.57 | LtL | ryouma: just tick what you want shown. |
| 23:31.16 | BCMM | warsoul: also https://github.com/dylanaraps/neofetch/wiki/Customizing-Info |
| 23:31.30 | ryouma | LtL: no tick boxes |
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| 23:31.53 | ryouma | ah hang on |
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| 23:32.19 | ryouma | LtL: working thank you |
| 23:32.26 | LtL | ryouma: yep |
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| 23:33.48 | ryouma | that sensors command is also useful as it seems to saay what would be too high |
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| 23:37.02 | warsoul | BCMM, how i add neofetch to the bash |
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| 23:41.54 | LtL | ryouma: yep |
| 23:43.54 | LtL | ryouma: there are some nice gtk2/3 themes on github |
| 23:44.48 | Unit193 | Also some in the repo as well, the arc themes, numix, greybird, etc. |
| 23:45.35 | somiaj | ryouma: maybe install lm-senssors and run sensors-detect as root, it will see if it can detect any sensors and load the appropriate modules |
| 23:45.45 | ryouma | huh, i'd sure like a high contrast, non-blue, non-white theme |
| 23:46.04 | somiaj | it could be that the modules for the sensors on your hardware wasn't loaded. |
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| 23:46.21 | ryouma | somiaj: got that sorted :) thanks |
| 23:46.38 | somiaj | oh good, I was away for a bit |
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| 23:46.49 | ryouma | somiaj: i had to allow it to install coretemp and then restart gkrellm and then check smoe boxes in its setup |
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| 23:48.12 | ryouma | i am completely confused when it comes to themes and getting my mouse to not have a white border and lxappearance changing allm y symlinks and gtk 2 vs. 3 and getting firefox to have a high contrast dark theme and everything. |
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| 23:49.36 | ryouma | (i basically want high contrast dark theme, respecting really high dpi, for everything in the debian universe, and no bleed through from backlight) |
| 23:49.45 | LtL | ryouma: https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1273208/ |
| 23:50.02 | ryouma | (checkboxes are too small and unreadable; i fixed fonts pretty much) |
| 23:50.31 | ryouma | oh, i use fluxbox |
| 23:50.54 | ryouma | oh that's for gtk3, great |
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| 23:51.30 | ryouma | blue on black drives me insane |
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