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| 00:00.59 | ZaZaGX | i love debian |
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| 00:31.00 | Northlander | Huzzah. My Wifi works! |
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| 00:31.30 | dvs | Wifi works? |
| 00:32.16 | Northlander | It was giving me a bit of trouble after my Deb 10 build. |
| 00:32.39 | Northlander | connecting to IRC proves it functional |
| 00:35.26 | ZaZaGX | who did you get it to work? |
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| 00:36.19 | ZaZaGX | Northlander |
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| 00:36.52 | Northlander | got it working. just had to poke at it a bit. |
| 00:37.33 | Northlander | Intel card needed firmware files |
| 00:37.47 | Northlander | fun |
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| 00:39.08 | dvs | Northlander, where did you get it from? |
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| 00:40.15 | ZaZaGX | oh you downloaded the iwlwifi? |
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| 00:42.13 | Northlander | The trick is trying to figure out the right one. |
| 00:42.15 | ZaZaGX | https://packages.debian.org/buster/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 00:42.23 | dvs | yay! |
| 00:42.44 | ZaZaGX | i downloaded that and load it onto an another usb flash drive. and during installation. it loaded and it just works |
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| 00:46.17 | finn0 | Bushmills: What does this <<< redirection mean? I understand the meaning of >, >> , <. Yestarday, you'd used with this command hd <<< "$LESS_TERMCAP_mb". |
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| 00:58.45 | finn0 | Bushmills: found it in bash man page. |
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| 01:54.49 | Richard_Stallman | Oh my god I'm a hacker |
| 01:55.49 | _Cute_Kitty_ | and I'm a man |
| 01:55.54 | Richard_Stallman | OwO |
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| 02:00.16 | ZaZaGX | your not the actual richard stallman |
| 02:00.31 | Richard_Stallman | Oof |
| 02:00.40 | ZaZaGX | richard stallman doesn't have the internet |
| 02:00.45 | Richard_Stallman | He does tho |
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| 02:01.31 | ZaZaGX | he doesn't! |
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| 02:05.17 | logan_ | hey guys |
| 02:05.23 | ZaZaGX | hi logan |
| 02:06.00 | logan_ | Annoying issue here. I believe it;s for security but if my user account does not have proper permissions to a certain program when I run it from terminal it will return 'not found' |
| 02:06.17 | logan_ | For example, OpenVPN usually requires sudo authoriztion |
| 02:06.33 | ZaZaGX | are you using debian? |
| 02:06.49 | logan_ | On other distros if I type openvpn into the terminal, it will say this requires sudo |
| 02:06.53 | logan_ | Yes on debian |
| 02:07.01 | ZaZaGX | buster? |
| 02:07.10 | _Cute_Kitty_ | guys what do you think is the best linux distro |
| 02:07.19 | fkg | debian |
| 02:07.28 | ZaZaGX | of course! its not ubuntu |
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| 02:07.54 | logan_ | Yes I believe so |
| 02:07.57 | logan_ | It's 10.0 |
| 02:08.00 | logan_ | The latest stable |
| 02:08.53 | ZaZaGX | okay, i have connected to openvpn before on debian and ubuntu |
| 02:09.06 | ZaZaGX | debian-10 |
| 02:09.09 | logan_ | It works when I sudo it |
| 02:09.19 | ZaZaGX | did you try su - |
| 02:09.22 | logan_ | When I don't sudo it says "Command not found" |
| 02:09.30 | logan_ | It's a nuisance more than anything |
| 02:09.43 | logan_ | It is making diagnosing issues annoying |
| 02:09.59 | ZaZaGX | yeah it usually takes a while to connect i believe |
| 02:10.04 | logan_ | No |
| 02:10.07 | ZaZaGX | did you try the gui? |
| 02:10.13 | logan_ | It is not just openvpn |
| 02:10.30 | logan_ | It's any command that my user account doesn't have permissions to use |
| 02:10.39 | logan_ | Openvpn is just an example |
| 02:10.41 | ZaZaGX | did you just moved from ubuntu? |
| 02:10.46 | logan_ | No |
| 02:10.48 | logan_ | From gentoo |
| 02:10.50 | fkg | response=(s/channel-name/ = best distro) |
| 02:10.56 | fkg | re best distro |
| 02:11.03 | ZaZaGX | oh okay |
| 02:11.17 | ZaZaGX | yeah your not supposed to use sudo in debian. only as su |
| 02:11.33 | ZaZaGX | i was moving from ubuntu and i was used to doing sudo, but it won't let me |
| 02:11.46 | logan_ | I have no idea why it tells me that the command is not found. I would have to assume that it's because the usr/bin is not on path by default for regular users |
| 02:11.56 | logan_ | That must be what it is |
| 02:12.03 | logan_ | I guess sometimes you need to hear yourself think |
| 02:12.20 | cybercrypto | logan_: Not always logan... it may return "not found" when the binary you tryng to run is not present in your path variable $PATH. You can try running with full path and check the error (permission 'wise') |
| 02:12.36 | logan_ | You can and probably should use sudo alternatively to su - |
| 02:12.41 | logan_ | Regardless of the distro |
| 02:12.49 | logan_ | su - is inherently less secure than sudo |
| 02:13.30 | logan_ | Yes +cybercrypto I think that's the issue. When I added my user account, it must not have added one of the paths |
| 02:13.54 | logan_ | It's /usr/sbin |
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| 02:14.14 | logan_ | Which makes sense, but seems to break with the tradition of most other mainstream distros |
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| 02:14.36 | cybercrypto | sudo should be your choice. (substitute user/su, should be used when you really need to load environment variables along with (thats why you got a suggestion to use 'dash' together like this: " su - " |
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| 02:15.15 | logan_ | Right, what I am saying is that sudo is absolutely ok and definitely recommended for debain |
| 02:15.18 | logan_ | *Debian |
| 02:16.38 | lolcat--007 | one thing i still dont get it why sudo comes installed by default in debian??? |
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| 02:22.42 | cybercrypto | lolcat--007: I dont get what you mean. to my knowledge there is no reason not to use sudo in debian. sudo is designed to allow certain users to execute certain tasks as another user (including root) without disclosuring password. |
| 02:23.16 | cybercrypto | lolcat--007: what do you mean that 'your are not supposed to run sudo in debian'? Never heard about it.... |
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| 02:29.13 | lolcat--007 | cybercrypto: im a new user and most of the people that i know who using debian they all told me not to use sudo cause some funtionality doesnt work good under sudo some funtions work best under root user rathen than sudo |
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| 02:29.28 | lolcat--007 | cybercrypto: that is what i heard |
| 02:31.10 | cybercrypto | lolcat--007: please help me here... tell from where I can hear about it (or read).... to be honest, I believe it is a misunderstanding of both applications purposes. |
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| 02:32.23 | cybercrypto | when you finish installing debian, sudo is there. It is just a matter of configuring it correctly so your user can take benefit from it. |
| 02:33.17 | cybercrypto | other distros (debian based for instance) brings sudo setup 'ready to go' so the end user has no idea how it works... they only know it works... |
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| 02:36.54 | lolcat--007 | cybercrypto: like i said before i just a new users i just heard from others debian users not to use sudo |
| 02:37.11 | lolcat--007 | cybercrypto: they prefers real administration like root |
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| 02:38.04 | ZaZaGX | yeah, when i installed debian for the first time. i was used to using sudo. but it won't let me |
| 02:38.16 | ZaZaGX | i just have to change my habit |
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| 02:39.22 | cybercrypto | ZaZaGX: :-) I dont agree. Debian lets you to do anything you want. you can use sudo rigth now if you want. Debian is not blocking you of using it. |
| 02:39.55 | cybercrypto | It is simply a matter of configuration. |
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| 02:41.20 | ZaZaGX | yeah that too |
| 02:41.37 | ZaZaGX | but i'm not sure how to configure it |
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| 02:44.49 | cybercrypto | i can give you a quick guide on that. |
| 02:45.11 | cybercrypto | you can try and check if it fine. then you define if you want to keep using or not. |
| 02:48.24 | ZaZaGX | sure if you want |
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| 02:49.55 | cybercrypto | sure |
| 02:50.00 | cybercrypto | kets try it now... |
| 02:50.04 | cybercrypto | *lets. |
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| 02:51.50 | cybercrypto | assuming your debian box user is kenny, is that rigth? I would first recommend you to add your user to group sudo |
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| 02:53.25 | cybercrypto | i believe you will have to be root, then run the usermod. |
| 02:53.38 | cybercrypto | ZaZaGX: usermod -aG sudo <your username> |
| 02:54.14 | cybercrypto | ZaZaGX: get back to your user 'kenny' and type groups, to check current groups |
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| 02:54.43 | cybercrypto | sudo should be presented as part of the kenny's groups |
| 02:54.49 | ZaZaGX | how do you know i'm kenny? |
| 02:55.06 | cybercrypto | ZaZaGX: try that and let me know the results. |
| 02:55.38 | cybercrypto | ZaZaGX: I know a lot of things :-) I was just guessing... lucky I guess. |
| 02:55.52 | ZaZaGX | i never gave out my name here |
| 02:55.57 | ZaZaGX | omg, so scary |
| 02:56.03 | ZaZaGX | this connection isn't secure |
| 02:56.33 | dvs | ZaZaGX, If you are using hexchat, right click on your name in the right hand panel |
| 02:56.40 | cybercrypto | no ZaZaGX. it is presented as your name connected to freenode. |
| 02:56.47 | lolcat--007 | ZaZaGX: i know your last name too |
| 02:56.51 | ZaZaGX | omg |
| 02:56.56 | lolcat--007 | is kenny leao |
| 02:56.58 | lolcat--007 | haha |
| 02:57.01 | cybercrypto | you can check my, performing a /whois nickname_you_want_to_check |
| 02:57.04 | ZaZaGX | how do you know? |
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| 02:57.34 | cybercrypto | type at the chat: "/whois cybercrypto" |
| 02:57.39 | ZaZaGX | i did |
| 02:57.48 | ZaZaGX | i'm not using hexchat |
| 02:57.57 | cybercrypto | it is a IRC command. take a look into the docs later, when you have a chance. |
| 02:58.20 | ZaZaGX | yeah, i know. i know some IRC commands. |
| 02:58.33 | cybercrypto | uysing irssi you simply type: /whois nickname |
| 02:58.58 | Unit193 | /wii nick is even easier. |
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| 02:59.13 | cybercrypto | Unit193: yeap. |
| 02:59.22 | ZaZaGX | whats /wii? |
| 02:59.40 | Unit193 | Remote whois, so you get idle time too. |
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| 03:00.14 | cybercrypto | ZaZaGX: you want to get your sudo to work? looks like this conversation is a little off-topic now... |
| 03:02.34 | ZaZaGX | oh, i'm not sur |
| 03:04.02 | cybercrypto | ZaZaGX: ok! fine then... :-) enjoy. |
| 03:05.01 | ZaZaGX | i thought it was a chmod command |
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| 03:07.41 | cybercrypto | ZaZaGX: no problem.... if you are not sure that you want sudo, then it is ok. let me know if you change your mind. |
| 03:10.42 | ZaZaGX | i'm actually looking for a new hobby |
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| 03:34.37 | nexgen | hello, is Debian tight to the systemD as it was earlier? |
| 03:34.46 | nexgen | I see openrc in the package list |
| 03:35.33 | annadane | i've *heard* that it's quite easy to replace a lot of systemd but i'm not sure |
| 03:35.54 | annadane | not by deleting systemd, however |
| 03:35.54 | Unit193 | It's most certainly possible in Sid, but don't think so in Buster. |
| 03:36.04 | nexgen | earlier I was not able to avoid systemD when needed libvirt |
| 03:36.24 | nexgen | that is why I moved to Devuan a year ago |
| 03:41.45 | annadane | there's an https://wiki.debian.org/OpenRC but no clue how helpful it is |
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| 03:46.43 | Unit193 | I've got openrc+sysvinit+Xfce, only thing I lost was plymouth which is fine. |
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| 03:48.57 | annadane | it would be interesting if debian packaged the void linux tools they use to replace things for systemd |
| 03:49.05 | annadane | like, eudev and other stuff |
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| 03:50.08 | Unit193 | elogind is in Debian. |
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| 03:51.08 | annadane | Maintainer: Debian Ecosystem Init Diversity Team <debian-init-diversity@chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
| 03:51.11 | annadane | lol wut |
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| 03:51.20 | annadane | TIL |
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| 03:51.42 | Unit193 | See also: libpam-elogind-compat |
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| 03:52.30 | annadane | N: Unable to locate package libpam-elogind-compat |
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| 03:53.13 | annadane | libpam-elogind exists though |
| 03:53.15 | Unit193 | (It's in experimental) |
| 03:53.35 | annadane | ah |
| 03:53.59 | annadane | debian has s6 too actually |
| 03:54.33 | annadane | and runit! |
| 03:54.44 | annadane | "if it exists, debian has it" |
| 03:54.49 | annadane | except polybar :P |
| 03:55.49 | Unit193 | > libdvdcss2, hopm, veracrypt, yq, lariza, nikola, xfdashboard, gallery-dl. |
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| 04:18.12 | Iarfen | hI! |
| 04:18.16 | Iarfen | nvidia gt710 has drivers for Debian? |
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| 04:22.55 | annadane | Iarfen, you can install nvidia-detect and it will tell you what you need but i think nvidia-driver is fine for that |
| 04:22.57 | annadane | could be wrong |
| 04:23.13 | Iarfen | annadane: ok, thanks |
| 04:23.49 | annadane | there's a way to look it up but i'm lazy |
| 04:24.18 | jim | hi all... |
| 04:25.13 | jim | actually I should check something first :) |
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| 04:28.06 | jim | does stretch no longer have security repos? |
| 04:28.26 | jim | (I get "no release file" or words to that effect) |
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| 04:36.38 | lolcat--007 | How can I know the exact time a user logged out of the system? |
| 04:37.53 | jim | isn't that logged? I think it's 'last' |
| 04:39.37 | annadane | jim, can you paste your sources.list? |
| 04:39.38 | annadane | !paste |
| 04:39.38 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 04:40.26 | jim | annadane, I'm aware of pastage :) |
| 04:40.49 | annadane | force of habit |
| 04:41.01 | annadane | also i lose track of usernames |
| 04:41.14 | jim | annadane, give me a few secs, I'll get you that plus the output of the actual update |
| 04:41.35 | jim | I need to turn security back on tho |
| 04:41.37 | annadane | oldstable is fully supported for a year after release of stable so you shouldn't have problems... |
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| 04:45.14 | annadane | actually wasn't this a known issue |
| 04:45.21 | annadane | dammit. wish i could remember the solution |
| 04:45.23 | jim | annadane, https://termbin.com/rxim |
| 04:45.35 | jim | that;s the sources.list, one sec |
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| 04:46.54 | jim | annadane, here's the output of apt update: https://termbin.com/ts5yn |
| 04:47.38 | jim | annadane, no big deal :) I'll just keep reminding you |
| 04:48.33 | jim | annadane, could it be a bug filed against apt? |
| 04:49.33 | annadane | no, it had to do with something getting renamed |
| 04:49.38 | annadane | i'll let someone else answer |
| 04:50.00 | annadane | actually i can search the dpkg factoids |
| 04:50.17 | jim | oh dpkg knows? |
| 04:51.14 | jim | anyone remember that apt-get poem about cows? |
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| 04:53.39 | annadane | !stretch sources.list |
| 04:53.39 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 04:53.51 | annadane | i guess try changing your security line to that |
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| 04:54.20 | annadane | not all of them i mean, just replace your security line with the security line listed ther |
| 04:54.21 | annadane | e |
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| 04:58.16 | annadane | i'm like 80% sure this was due to some change and there's a way to fix it but i don't remember |
| 05:00.11 | jim | annadane, not a big deal; thanks a lot for trying |
| 05:01.17 | jim | so you mean the second deb line in that factoid? |
| 05:01.45 | annadane | yes, change the security line to that listed by dpkg |
| 05:02.03 | annadane | that's not the usual advice people have been giving that i'm referring to i don't think, but try it |
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| 05:02.38 | jim | I will |
| 05:02.52 | annadane | and if it doesn't work then yell at me loudly |
| 05:03.17 | jim | stop :P I'm not going to yell at you |
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| 05:09.16 | annadane | !irclog |
| 05:09.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/ |
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| 05:09.26 | jim | ok I see, it's not / it's at /debian-security |
| 05:10.08 | annadane | did it work? |
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| 05:10.29 | jim | I'm still deciding how I wanna do it |
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| 05:11.27 | annadane | i'm just quickly (slowly) searching for 'release' in the irc log |
| 05:11.28 | annadane | s |
| 05:12.13 | jim | this time, it looks pretty exactly, that I had the address wrong... (still testing) |
| 05:14.55 | jim | but now I think I have the address right, and the problem persists... new sources.list and output of update coming |
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| 05:16.36 | annadane | unless it's something stupid like the security repo shouldn't have https |
| 05:16.41 | annadane | but i doubt that that's it |
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| 05:18.41 | annadane | anyway, i'll wait for the output |
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| 05:19.06 | jim | annadane, https://termbin.com/ybtw |
| 05:19.20 | jim | I looked it over, and it's a different error |
| 05:19.58 | annadane | i wonder if you're just missing certificates and need to add it |
| 05:20.36 | jim | I guess that could be... would that be in a package? |
| 05:21.37 | annadane | one sec |
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| 05:23.55 | annadane | check that /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt actually is empty, if not i'd make a backup of it and put it somewhere, and then as root try update-ca-certificates |
| 05:24.29 | annadane | you apparently must have .crt as part of that filename as well |
| 05:24.41 | jim | ok |
| 05:25.15 | annadane | also FWIW the error message before and the error message now are exactly the same |
| 05:25.20 | annadane | changing the security entry didn't do anything |
| 05:25.37 | jim | I got lots of .pems |
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| 05:27.14 | jim | I have the file, not empty: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 261407 Apr 13 2018 /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt |
| 05:28.49 | jim | and... |
| 05:29.08 | jim | ,find ca-certificates.crt |
| 05:29.12 | judd | Search for ca-certificates.crt in buster/amd64: gnustep-base-common: usr/share/GNUstep/Libraries/gnustep-base/Versions/1.26/Resources/GSTLS/ca-certificates.crt |
| 05:29.45 | jim | gnustep? |
| 05:29.53 | annadane | my memory seems to recall the issue was that people had 'stable' and not 'buster' in their sources.list and that was the issue |
| 05:29.57 | annadane | which isn't your issue |
| 05:30.07 | annadane | (yes i know you're still on stretch) |
| 05:30.11 | jim | right, that's not in the same place |
| 05:30.41 | jim | well that machine is still on stretch, yes... can't upgrade it without doing some work first |
| 05:30.51 | annadane | so okay, see if refreshing the certificates fixes it i guess, i would just make a backup copy of /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt |
| 05:31.00 | annadane | before doing so |
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| 05:33.00 | jim | ok, backed it up... what would I read to find out how to refresh? |
| 05:33.15 | annadane | just 'update-ca-certificates' |
| 05:34.05 | annadane | april 2018 is reasonably old so it's *possible* you need to do this. i really have no idea |
| 05:34.44 | annadane | more to the point i shouldn't go around guessing solutions if i don't know so it's up to you if you want to trust me or not :P |
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| 05:38.57 | jim | you've been around helping folks here for a good while |
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| 05:40.34 | SWAT | annadane: it's urlscan (main). It's been outdated for a while now (the same version is available in stretch, buster and sid). Hence I'm asking for the correct procedure on how to procede :) |
| 05:40.41 | jim | I can't help but notice there's something in your demeanor at the moment, like you're sad, or stuck, or being pushed into a corner or something like that |
| 05:40.59 | annadane | ,i urlscan |
| 05:41.00 | judd | Package urlscan (mail, optional) in buster/amd64: Extract and browse the URLs contained in an email (urlview replacement). Version: 0.8.2-1; Size: 13.2k; Installed: 57k; Homepage: https://github.com/firecat53/urlscan |
| 05:41.07 | annadane | ,v urlscan |
| 05:41.08 | judd | Package: urlscan on amd64 -- jessie: 0.5.6-0.2; bullseye: 0.8.2-1; buster: 0.8.2-1; sid: 0.8.2-1; stretch: 0.8.2-1 |
| 05:41.25 | annadane | right, you just said that, same versions |
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| 05:41.58 | jim | ran update-ca-certificates, it said in part, 0 added, 0 removed; done. |
| 05:42.25 | annadane | so i suppose if you apt update again you'll get the same isuse |
| 05:42.29 | annadane | issue |
| 05:42.54 | jim | yeah, I do |
| 05:43.52 | annadane | SWAT, you're quite correct that it's old, last news on it was from 2016 https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/urlscan |
| 05:44.32 | annadane | SWAT, there's a procedure for this that i don't quite remember, i'm sorry, but try asking in #debian-mentors on the irc.oftc.net network, they might have some wisdom |
| 05:44.40 | Zart | how to skip network config with preseed? "d-i netcfg/enable boolean false" is not enough |
| 05:45.57 | annadane | SWAT, this may help https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ |
| 05:46.11 | SWAT | annadane: thank you very much :) |
| 05:46.34 | annadane | something as simple as urlscan can certainly not only be accepted into sid but later make its way into buster-backports, in my estimation |
| 05:47.08 | jim | Zart, shot in the dark here... I think you might need to find out how to "leave the network unconfigured" |
| 05:47.11 | annadane | in the meantime, you can use the newer upstream at https://github.com/firecat53/urlscan/archive/0.9.3.tar.gz |
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| 05:47.56 | SWAT | annadane: I've already fixed it for myself a while ago (manually installing it), but I want to fix it for Debian as well for everyone. |
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| 05:48.10 | annadane | for sure |
| 05:48.42 | annadane | jim, i'll go searching around a bit more for your error message |
| 05:50.54 | annadane | this is interesting - https://gordongustafson.github.io/2015/12/22/curl-ssl-error.html - but you didn't say /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt was empty, did you? |
| 05:51.03 | annadane | right, 0 added, 0 removed |
| 05:51.14 | annadane | hmm |
| 05:52.15 | jim | let me check again |
| 05:52.55 | annadane | you'd need to check both the new and the old because you made a backup of the old and refreshed the new one (but if it said 0 added and 0 removed i'm inclined to trust the error message) |
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| 05:53.20 | annadane | also, your issue isn't with curl |
| 05:54.17 | annadane | jim, i'd also check to see that ca-certificates and apt-transport-https are installed and up to date |
| 05:54.42 | annadane | you can check this via apt policy ca-certificates and apt-transport-https, even if apt update won't work |
| 05:54.56 | annadane | apt policy ca-certificates and apt policy apt-transport-https * |
| 05:55.39 | jim | I'm upgrading them now, sec |
| 05:56.10 | annadane | apt-transport-https on stretch should be 1.4.9 and ca-certificates should be 20161130+nmu1+deb9u1 |
| 05:56.22 | jim | apt-transport-https already newest (1.4.9) |
| 05:57.27 | annadane | i'm going to ask reddit and see if they have any ideas :P |
| 05:58.30 | annadane | ca-certificates is also the proper version? |
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| 06:01.04 | annadane | searching the internet reveals a lot of people posting workarounds and hacks, which i will not recommend |
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| 06:05.23 | annadane | also incidentally i was wrong about "error message is the same", i guess we did fix that security entry properly |
| 06:06.20 | jim | was afk for a sec |
| 06:06.25 | jim | let me check |
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| 06:07.04 | annadane | the last ditch resort is to wait a few hours when everyone is awake and try re-asking then |
| 06:07.08 | jim | Version: 20161130+nmu1+deb9u1 |
| 06:07.12 | annadane | then it'll be more than just me trying to answer |
| 06:07.21 | annadane | okay, at least those are up to date |
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| 06:07.58 | annadane | there's also mailing lists, if you prefer |
| 06:08.09 | fetus_deletus | Guys, some of my linux directories are taking long time to list directory. For this reason if i connect to that specific directory on winscp, it gets disconnected causing error: Can't establish connection error |
| 06:08.09 | annadane | i'm pretty much stumped at this point |
| 06:09.37 | jeddi | i'm stuck - mostly trying to work out what words to throw at google - i have a debian buster box (physical) that I installed a while back, with luks on the / (root file system) so it prompts you for a password as it comes up - but now i want to automount / (without re-installing the whole box!). i know how to do this with fstab / crypttab - but th |
| 06:09.37 | jeddi | is is before that, obviously. |
| 06:09.57 | jim | ok, no problem... I'll ask again later |
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| 06:14.06 | jim | the workaround that seems to work best for me at the moment, is turn off security updates (like, remove that line from the sources.list) |
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| 06:16.07 | annadane | jim, can you try changing https on your security line in your sources list to http? |
| 06:16.21 | annadane | apparently you're not meant to use security.debian.org with https |
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| 06:16.53 | annadane | BUSTER supports https for some things i know, but you're on stretch |
| 06:17.03 | jim | sure |
| 06:17.05 | annadane | whether it also supports security.d.o, i don't know |
| 06:17.37 | annadane | and if you get errors like that for other things, that may also be the culprit |
| 06:18.46 | jim | that worked |
| 06:18.49 | annadane | okay, so that's the issue |
| 06:19.11 | jim | in other words, I updated it and got no errors, and said I have some packages to update :) |
| 06:20.03 | annadane | i always thought https was superfluous, i didn't know it would automatically be rejected (pre buster) |
| 06:20.17 | annadane | but actually now that i think of it, i knew that. i had indeed heard something about buster now supporting https |
| 06:20.20 | annadane | i just didn't remember in time |
| 06:20.22 | jim | stretch also has that apt-transport-https package that enables sources to have https |
| 06:20.25 | annadane | yes |
| 06:20.27 | annadane | right |
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| 06:20.40 | annadane | so i guess, either use http, or use https with that package |
| 06:20.53 | annadane | if i was paying attention earlier, the hint was in 'apt-transport-https' :P |
| 06:20.55 | jim | buster, apparantly https is built into apt now |
| 06:21.06 | annadane | yup yup yup. so that was it, and i just forgot |
| 06:21.38 | jim | I have that package installed :) |
| 06:22.44 | jim | thanks so much for further narrowing the problem down |
| 06:23.22 | fetus_deletus | now someone help me ? i'm out of ideas in my case |
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| 06:24.33 | Mathisen | fetus_deletus, you could try ask same thing in ##linux also. |
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| 06:24.55 | fetus_deletus | sure man ! |
| 06:25.12 | annadane | it's too much of an abstraction to immediately go 'update the certificates' |
| 06:25.14 | jim | fetus_deletus, I wonder if you have openssh-server installed on the machine you're scping to from win |
| 06:25.19 | annadane | just check the name of the thing first... |
| 06:25.28 | annadane | oh well, lesson learned |
| 06:26.06 | pasiz | fetus_deletus: is ls slow on those directories too? |
| 06:26.17 | fetus_deletus | nope ls is working fine |
| 06:26.39 | fetus_deletus | but if i run 'ls -lrt' or ll those commands are taking long time |
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| 06:27.45 | pasiz | seems odd. do you see iowait when that happens? |
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| 06:28.40 | fetus_deletus | nope it just gets freeze for like 2-3 mins |
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| 06:30.38 | pasiz | thats really strange, how have you diagnose there's no iowait? |
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| 06:31.13 | pasiz | is some kworker threads on 100% when that happens |
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| 06:31.48 | uio | Hi, I'm on a ThinkPad X61. About how long do you think the update to Buster from Stretch would take? |
| 06:32.22 | fetus_deletus | Well my machine is hosted in vCloud and this same issue persists to all Virtual Machines present in that vCloud which is really strange |
| 06:33.18 | annadane | uio, really depends on the amount of packages you have |
| 06:33.28 | annadane | and your processor speed and other factors... |
| 06:33.47 | annadane | you should read the release notes |
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| 06:34.05 | pasiz | fetus_deletus: does they have support? |
| 06:34.28 | uio | annadane, Hmmmm. Right. |
| 06:34.33 | pasiz | or is it vm |
| 06:35.23 | annadane | i know that's a bit of a copout answer and perhaps users with thinkpads can tell you how long it took for them but the answer is variable, and another factor is also the speed of your internet connection |
| 06:35.28 | annadane | rather than your computer being a thinkpad |
| 06:36.35 | fetus_deletus | pasiz: i don't have vCloud support and yes it's a vm hosted in vCloud |
| 06:36.40 | uio | Is it like, an hour, half a day, for the average user? |
| 06:37.19 | uio | Basically, if I have a free afternoon, can I get it done, or is the like an Arch install, where I would need a week(end)? |
| 06:37.30 | annadane | not as much as half a day though people are encouraged to read the release notes.. so the preparation might take half a day even if the physical actions aren't as long |
| 06:38.07 | annadane | package transaction stuff... i'm not entirely sure. i don't see that part of it taking more than perhaps an hour, i guess |
| 06:38.30 | annadane | dpkg: stretch->buster |
| 06:38.30 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove stable-specific lines like stretch-backports. apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
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| 06:39.08 | uio | annadane, These are long notes! I mean, I'm just desktop user and most of the uneeded packages are random DEs I tested out. |
| 06:40.02 | uio | Oh... I don't know. If Stretch is good for another few years, I might just stick with it... |
| 06:40.03 | annadane | they're really kind of made for skimming, it's not necessary to take in every single line, i think most users with common configurations have a pretty simple upgrade path |
| 06:40.14 | ayekat | it's two years worth of updates after all :-) |
| 06:40.33 | annadane | strech is fully supported for one year after the buster release, and then full support stops and the Long Term Support initiative takes over |
| 06:40.55 | annadane | which is more server-side packages |
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| 06:41.17 | uio | Cool. I mean I have my data backed-up, I might just jump in and give it a go. |
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| 06:41.39 | annadane | the "sparknotes version" of debian release updates are, in this instance, change stretch to buster, apt update, apt-get upgrade, apt full-upgrade |
| 06:41.51 | annadane | but i would at least skim the release notes |
| 06:42.33 | annadane | most of it quite possibly won't even apply to you |
| 06:43.29 | annadane | for instance section 4.1.5... "In order to gain extra safety margin when upgrading remotely, we suggest that you run upgrade processes in the virtual console provided by the screen program, which enables safe reconnection and ensures the upgrade process is not interrupted even if the remote connection process temporarily fails." |
| 06:43.55 | annadane | well, remotely. consoles can disappear if you run upgrades within xorg |
| 06:44.38 | annadane | sorry, that wasn't particularly relevant, i guess it's too late to be on irc |
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| 06:45.28 | annadane | 4.5.6 is more what i was looking for |
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| 06:49.00 | annadane | (why was 6 afraid of 7? because 7 8 9...) |
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| 06:51.49 | while | hey, i'm trying to record the audio coming out of the speakers using ffmpeg, I am currently using alsa, although so far my recordings have had no sound in them |
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| 07:00.06 | uio | We're in apt update && apt upgrade... hoping it will go fine... |
| 07:00.12 | uio | 42% |
| 07:00.24 | uio | I forgot how much space all those LaTeX packages take!! |
| 07:00.40 | Mathisen | anyone with a https://www.drobo.com/docs/start-5d/ in here ? im trying to get drobo-utils to work but it refuses to see my drobo storage |
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| 07:03.11 | Mathisen | i can see the storage fine with lsblk |
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| 07:14.21 | Mathisen | ,v drobo-utils |
| 07:14.22 | judd | Package: drobo-utils on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.1+repack-1; bullseye: 0.6.1+repack-2; buster: 0.6.1+repack-2; sid: 0.6.1+repack-2; stretch: 0.6.1+repack-2 |
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| 07:15.42 | Mathisen | hwo ever maintains that should edit " /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/DroboIOctl.py " to reflect Drobo as name and not DROBO. works now after edit. thanks to some random blog post |
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| 07:20.08 | Habbie | Mathisen, if that's not a reported debian bug already, perhaps it should be |
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| 07:22.31 | Mathisen | and here i was hoping someone in here would do it. but i guess i can do it. im lazy guy :) |
| 07:24.08 | Mathisen | well it is reported in 2011 and yet fixed https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=drobo-utils not sure if i should add it again |
| 07:24.16 | Mathisen | not fixed |
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| 07:26.24 | Habbie | upstream has 0.6.2 |
| 07:26.28 | Habbie | you should check if it's fixed there |
| 07:26.34 | Habbie | and if so, comment that on the bug |
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| 07:27.52 | uio | We're at 3% preparing and unpacking! This is gonna take a while.... |
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| 07:27.57 | wowas | hello! |
| 07:28.30 | wowas | from logrotate i keep getting mails saying: gzip: stdin: file size changed while zipping |
| 07:28.36 | wowas | https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/lZokyIiPMrmqkOXWskqi5g |
| 07:28.45 | wowas | any idea why or how to fix it? |
| 07:29.23 | Habbie | it means whatever process is writing to the logfile has not stopped doing that |
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| 07:29.55 | Habbie | so logrotate is not telling that process to stop doing that |
| 07:29.58 | Habbie | or that process is not listening |
| 07:30.24 | Habbie | 'fuser /var/log/syslog' or 'lsof /var/log/syslog' will tell you which process that is |
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| 08:01.59 | Lyberta | I'm trying to enable vnc feature of lightdm but it tries to bind IPv6, how can I disable it? |
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| 08:05.50 | no_gravity | I'm trying to figure out what my .screenrc is doing :) |
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| 08:13.50 | uio | 13%.... |
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| 08:14.24 | no_gravity | hardstatus string '%{= dW}%-Lw%{= dY}%50> %n*%f %t%{= dW}%+Lw%< %{= dW}%-=%D %m/%d/%y %C %A %1`%{-}' |
| 08:14.56 | no_gravity | What does the end do? This part I mean: %C %A %1`%{-}' |
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| 08:17.46 | jim | looks like some kind of format string |
| 08:18.05 | Habbie | jim, 'man screen' will provide the context that is lacking in the question |
| 08:18.12 | Habbie | man screen does not, however, answer the question |
| 08:18.36 | Habbie | no_gravity, https://www.gnu.org/software/screen/manual/screen.html#String-Escapes |
| 08:18.45 | Habbie | for some reason 'man screen' has only a fraction of this |
| 08:18.53 | Habbie | but the text below the table in 'man screen' does mention %C |
| 08:18.55 | Habbie | so that's a bug |
| 08:18.56 | Fox | Habbie: are you sure ? |
| 08:19.03 | Fox | yes, it's in the man |
| 08:19.10 | Habbie | it's not in the man on debian buster |
| 08:19.13 | Habbie | but it is on that url |
| 08:19.19 | Habbie | so that might be a rendering problem in the debian buster version |
| 08:20.16 | Fox | hell, need to change my habits and check buster first... |
| 08:21.28 | Habbie | indeed, on stretch it is in there |
| 08:21.43 | Fox | hence my mistake :) |
| 08:21.52 | Habbie | or mine, everything is relative |
| 08:22.52 | uio | 22%... |
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| 08:24.21 | aypea[3] | is there an official way to change where /usr/bin/python points? I'd like to default to python3 (and I've stuff configured that way as python3 was the only thing installed) but, then, I had to install supervisord and then sucked in python2 and changed where /usr/bin/python points. |
| 08:24.32 | Habbie | aypea[3], i don't -think- so |
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| 08:25.44 | aypea[3] | Habbie: sounds like I'll have to go wild wild west on this. ;) |
| 08:25.58 | Habbie | perhaps :) |
| 08:26.03 | Habbie | of course we would never advise that ;) |
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| 08:27.52 | aypea[3] | of course not :) |
| 08:28.12 | aypea[3] | time for that food stuff. |
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| 08:32.04 | jelly | aypea[3]: there can't be a way. Making it point elsewhere would break existing packages. |
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| 08:33.00 | jelly | aypea[3]: if you need python3, call python3 |
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| 08:35.47 | aypea[3] | jelly: not up to maintaining 3rd party package until the end of time. if a debian package breaks (and it shouldn't as docs say it should use python2) then I'll deal with things then. |
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| 08:36.25 | jelly | aypea[3]: things might change in bullseye, or the release after it, after 2020, but right now you're 100% on your own |
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| 08:37.03 | aypea[3] | jelly: thanks. I'll see how things go. |
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| 08:41.46 | klys | is there a bug where perl:any doesn't get satisfied by: perl:i386 ? |
| 08:42.16 | greg2 | 4 |
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| 08:46.49 | spaceone | hello, i have a debian package which provides a systemd service. But the service is not started in the postinst. Instead it prints "foo.service is a disabled or a static unit, not starting it." |
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| 08:47.12 | spaceone | The service has "WantedBy=multi-user.target" |
| 08:47.51 | spaceone | in the postinst the line "if deb-systemd-helper --quiet was-enabled foo.service; then" returns false, which is the reason probably |
| 08:48.22 | jim | I dunno much about systemd yet, is this a package you're writing? |
| 08:48.39 | jim | (either just the packaging, or that plus the software) |
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| 08:49.08 | rant | spaceone: you may want to try irc.debian.org and something like #debian-mentors or such.. this is a channel of users helping users..not really developers |
| 08:49.35 | spaceone | jim: yes |
| 08:49.42 | spaceone | rant: okay |
| 08:50.16 | jim | yeah, if you intend for the package to get into debian, #debian-mentors (if you're just packaging to have the package, #packaging) |
| 08:52.57 | jim | spaceone, does your package, when installed, create the systemd service, and delete it when removing the package? |
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| 08:53.51 | jelly | klys: there shouldn't be, assuming your dpkg and apt are new enough |
| 08:53.58 | spaceone | jim: yes, it installs it into /lib/systemd/system/foo.service |
| 08:54.33 | jim | ok, which script actually creates the service? |
| 08:54.38 | spaceone | i can call service foo start after the package installation, everything is fine then |
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| 08:55.00 | spaceone | jim: don't know exactly, must be some systemd debhelper scripts |
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| 08:55.46 | jim | ok, how did you arrange to create the service? |
| 08:56.45 | spaceone | add a file debian/foo.service and dh $@ --with 'python_support' --with systemd # --with-systemd to debian/rules |
| 08:57.27 | spaceone | tried also some things like override_dh_auto_install: dh_systemd_enable; dh_systemd_start |
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| 08:59.41 | jim | ok, so then, there must be some interaction with the package scripts that isn't seen... debhelper has all these different packaging helper executables, and each one will have a man page |
| 09:02.05 | spaceone | i don't understand what "was-enabled" means? |
| 09:02.24 | spaceone | maybe this is for package updates? |
| 09:02.49 | jim | there should at least be: preinst postinst prerm postrm, do you alter any of those? |
| 09:03.32 | spaceone | yes, i extend them, but they all contain #DEBHELPER# |
| 09:03.44 | spaceone | and i do only things after #DEBHELPER# |
| 09:04.06 | spaceone | even after "deb-systemd-helper enable foo.service" the was-enabled has return code 1 |
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| 09:05.32 | Abdullah | offtopic, but can I know what's the benifit of forcing a resolution to be 1920x1080? |
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| 09:08.39 | alkisg | Abdullah: forcing, as in your monitor supports higher and you limit it? |
| 09:09.28 | tinyhippo | I get issues when I install libpq5 (for postgresql support) where did I go wrong? (using stretch) |
| 09:09.30 | tinyhippo | Err:2 http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates/main amd64 libpq5 amd64 9.6.13-0+deb9u1 |
| 09:09.32 | tinyhippo | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.00 | themill | tinyhippo: you need to apt update |
| 09:10.04 | jim | try apt update |
| 09:10.05 | Abdullah | alkisg: My friend was asking me to set her resolution as we both have same machines. 1600x900 by default |
| 09:10.19 | Abdullah | dpkg security |
| 09:10.19 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ buster/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>, <browser security>. |
| 09:10.29 | alkisg | Abdullah: what's the output of xrandr? |
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| 09:11.31 | tinyhippo | themill / jim: did that immediately before |
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| 09:12.28 | jim | did it say packages are upgradable after you did apt update |
| 09:12.31 | jim | ? |
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| 09:13.18 | Abdullah | alkisg: https://bpaste.net/show/jvK9 |
| 09:13.22 | themill | tinyhippo: did it complete ok? (can you pastebin the output of "apt update; apt-cache policy libpq5") |
| 09:13.27 | tinyhippo | jim: no, this is a Dockerfile from debian:stretch-slim - it just runs the commands sequentially |
| 09:14.12 | themill | tinyhippo: that is not the current version in stretch/updates, so it has not run apt update |
| 09:14.31 | alkisg | Abdullah: this doesn't look right, I think your monitor supports up to 1600x900 and you configured it to a virtual monitor of 1920x1080? |
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| 09:14.51 | Abdullah | yeah that's what I'm asking for. |
| 09:14.58 | alkisg | Abdullah: if so, avoid it, I think she was trying to tell you to get her a better monitor that supports 1920x1080 :) |
| 09:15.12 | alkisg | 1920x1080 is a better resolution, but only if your monitor supports it |
| 09:15.17 | Abdullah | I have a smaller font everywhere now ;-) |
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| 09:20.01 | tinyhippo | themill: thanks, I assumed it was as apt-get update happened at the top of the Dockerfile. Adding it to the line where libpq5 gets installed seems to have resolved it. Thanks! |
| 09:21.09 | Abdullah | alkisg: https://i.imgur.com/oWkzFg0.png |
| 09:21.34 | themill | tinyhippo: no worries |
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| 09:22.12 | alkisg | Abdullah: yes, dpi is automatically deduced from the monitor size and resolution, so now that you forced a higher resolution, you have smaller fonts. Just undo the change. |
| 09:24.16 | Abdullah | alkisg: okay. Thanks |
| 09:24.21 | alkisg | np |
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| 09:45.10 | ZaZaGX | adbullah, how do you do that> |
| 09:45.24 | EoflaOE | hi ZaZaGX |
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| 09:45.40 | ZaZaGX | hi |
| 09:46.36 | ZaZaGX | adbullah, showed this picture. https://i.imgur.com/oWkzFg0.png |
| 09:46.42 | ZaZaGX | how do you do that? |
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| 09:47.18 | Habbie | ZaZaGX, do what exactly? |
| 09:47.27 | ZaZaGX | in that picture |
| 09:47.34 | ZaZaGX | do that stats thing in the terminal |
| 09:47.35 | Fox | ZaZaGX: install neofetch |
| 09:47.49 | ZaZaGX | ohh i need neofetch |
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| 09:52.13 | humpled | ,info neofetch |
| 09:52.15 | judd | Package neofetch (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Shows Linux System Information with Distribution Logo. Version: 6.0.0-2; Size: 101.9k; Installed: 328k; Homepage: https://github.com/dylanaraps/neofetch; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/neofetch |
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| 09:53.19 | Abdullah | ZaZaGX: I use neofetch and its available in repos. |
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| 09:55.22 | humpled | ,v neofetch |
| 09:55.23 | judd | Package: neofetch on amd64 -- stretch: 2.0.2-1; bullseye: 6.0.0-2; buster: 6.0.0-2; sid: 6.0.0-2 |
| 10:03.12 | Abdullah | what's the avahi daemon for? |
| 10:03.37 | Abdullah | always have to disable it on new installations |
| 10:04.14 | Habbie | Abdullah, for .local names on the local network |
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| 10:11.31 | humpled | it's like apple bonjour, apparently, why do you have to disable it? |
| 10:13.04 | rant | Abdullah: its a service discovery daemon for zero-conf networking |
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| 10:13.26 | rant | Abdullah: disabling it will only make life more complicated.. |
| 10:14.22 | rant | well technically I belive avahi implements both sides, mDNS and DNS-SD |
| 10:14.53 | rant | facilitating discovery of services in both directions |
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| 10:16.34 | rant | if you are never going to use any sort of network services, DLNA, Printing, File Sharing, etc.. than sure, disable it.. but its not going to really effect your system performance, it'll only make it less user friendly |
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| 10:17.52 | Habbie | ,task-desktop-lxde |
| 10:17.54 | Habbie | ,v task-desktop-lxde |
| 10:17.55 | judd | No package named 'task-desktop-lxde' was found in amd64. |
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| 10:21.13 | rant | ,v task-lxde-desktop |
| 10:21.14 | judd | Package: task-lxde-desktop on amd64 -- jessie: 3.31+deb8u1; stretch: 3.39; bullseye: 3.53; buster: 3.53; sid: 3.54 |
| 10:22.51 | Habbie | thanks! |
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| 10:43.10 | Abdullah | rant: well it does the /etc/hosts job? |
| 10:43.28 | Abdullah | I only do ssh into pi in local network. |
| 10:43.57 | rant | Abdullah: /etc/hosts is for local DNS name resolution.. it has nothing to do with broadcasting services |
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| 10:44.20 | Abdullah | so still its benificial for me? |
| 10:44.30 | rant | Abdullah: if you know at all how wifi works, turning off avahi is like turning of beacons.. |
| 10:44.40 | Abdullah | when I don't use those services |
| 10:44.44 | rant | you'd still be able to connect to a wifi AP without beacons, but you wouldnt know it was there |
| 10:44.56 | rant | you'd have to manually type the BSSID to connect |
| 10:45.16 | rant | same goes for avahi.. you can do stuff without it, but you won't have auto discovery in either direction |
| 10:45.19 | Abdullah | rant: I use systemd-networkd |
| 10:45.27 | rant | I'm sorry to hear that |
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| 10:46.02 | Abdullah | I think I have to read more about it. |
| 10:46.20 | rant | avahi takes care of regularly announcing services on the network and discovering and configuring services offered |
| 10:47.38 | rant | the way you can go to Network on a machine and see printers and file shares, or open vlc and see media streaming services.. thats due to mDNS/DNS-SD which avahi offers |
| 10:47.58 | rant | you could still connect to such things without it but you'd have to type their address manually, they couldn't be auto discovered |
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| 10:48.47 | Abdullah | rant: I use mpd's 8000 port to listen to music sometimes. so how avahi can help me with it? |
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| 10:51.20 | rant | idk.. probably not at all |
| 10:51.30 | rant | avahi only helps with things that support zero-conf |
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| 10:53.07 | humpled | zeroconf_enabled "yes" |
| 10:53.35 | humpled | zeroconf_name "Radio Potato" |
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| 10:54.31 | Abdullah | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:56.27 | Haohmaru | is it avahi the thing that figures out available computers on a windows network? |
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| 10:57.06 | Abdullah | I think I don't need avahi for my laptop right now. I have nothing on my local network except a pi and some androids |
| 10:57.12 | uio | Upgrade complete! |
| 10:57.27 | Haohmaru | after i upgraded to debian10, in pcmanfm i don't see many of the computers in the network |
| 10:57.32 | Habbie | Haohmaru, that could also be nmbd |
| 10:57.46 | uio | I think that the ThinkPad nibble thing's sensitivity is off.. |
| 10:57.53 | Haohmaru | including one which is a debian samba server |
| 10:58.09 | Haohmaru | they were showing up fine in debian9 |
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| 11:00.41 | Abdullah | uio: touchpad? |
| 11:01.36 | uio | Abdullah, No, touchpoint. |
| 11:01.38 | uio | I htink |
| 11:01.44 | uio | *think |
| 11:02.19 | uio | Abdullah, It's just more sensitive, but I think it'll be fine. |
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| 11:06.19 | uio | how can I tell if unattended upgrades are enabled? |
| 11:06.30 | uio | I don't quite understand /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades |
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| 11:11.09 | uio | I just ran unattended-upgrade -d |
| 11:11.14 | uio | And got:Removing unused kernel packages: linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64 linux-headers-4.9.0-8-common linux-headers-4.9.0-8-amd64 |
| 11:11.14 | uio | marking linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64 for removal |
| 11:11.19 | uio | Is that normal? |
| 11:11.36 | uio | I just upgraded, why was that not done during the update process? |
| 11:12.08 | uio | I can't remember if I kept my old config file for that when maybe I shouldn't have... |
| 11:12.12 | ksk | because there is no "apt-get autoremove" in apt-get (dist) upgrade? |
| 11:12.27 | uio | ksk, Interesting. |
| 11:12.36 | uio | ksk, Perhaps even odd. |
| 11:12.57 | ksk | from a users standpoint I am inclined to agree, yes. but from an apt standpoint no ;) |
| 11:13.10 | uio | How so? |
| 11:13.15 | uio | Is it better for apt? |
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| 11:14.06 | ksk | upgrading packages (to a new release) is just a different task than "remove anything thats not referenced by other packages anymore" |
| 11:14.54 | ksk | but a user might rather expect "debian, do a release uprade" including everything with like one command - I suppose Desktops do provide 1-click-upgrades though? not sure.. |
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| 11:19.34 | rant | uio: is it drifting or just not moving enough? |
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| 11:21.45 | rant | on buster mine is on /sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/subsystem/devices/serio2/ it was on /sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/serio2/ in stretch |
| 11:21.56 | rant | but in that sysinterface are settings for inertia, drift, etc |
| 11:21.59 | uio | rant, Oh, sorry I was probably not clear: it's moving more now. |
| 11:22.20 | rant | I personally crank the drift up to 90 cause its annoying |
| 11:22.33 | pragomer | hi. what would be your recommended way to install latest gimp under debian10 ? (I just did the switch from ubuntu to debian) |
| 11:22.38 | uio | rant, Probably a good thing, as I was feeling it wasn't sensitive enough before, but it'll take some cetting used to. |
| 11:22.45 | rant | ,v gimp |
| 11:22.46 | judd | Package: gimp on amd64 -- jessie: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; bullseye: 2.10.8-2; buster: 2.10.8-2; sid: 2.10.8-2 |
| 11:22.58 | uio | rant, Is there some tool to change the settings? |
| 11:23.16 | jelly-home | pragomer: "use the version from the distro instead" is not an option? |
| 11:23.36 | rant | uio: not that I know of, I just wrote a oneline script that uses echo |
| 11:23.46 | pragomer | oh wow... I just did not think about gimp 2.10.x could be already in debian stable. |
| 11:23.50 | pragomer | all good. perfect. |
| 11:23.52 | pragomer | thank you |
| 11:24.23 | rant | uio: I could write one pretty easily in bash with zenity, yad, or whatever :P |
| 11:24.53 | Abdullah | uio: I think there is libinput conf in /usr/share somewhere, lazy enough to set them still. You can find them in my repo somewhere. https://gitlab.com/Abdullah/cfg.git |
| 11:25.42 | rant | yeah I haven't been bold enough to fool around with libinput yet.. |
| 11:25.49 | rant | I just use the sys interface for it |
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| 11:27.37 | Abdullah | on a new install touchpad won't work like tap to click. |
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| 11:27.53 | rant | I think I will write a script for it.. cause my script only does drift |
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| 11:30.19 | Mikjaer | Im trying to Install 10 on a HP Proliant DL380 G7 and i am using the iso with firmware included, but network seems to not work, i get an ip address, but mirrors cannot be reached and when i try to ping the machine or ping from the machine to/from the local network i get no replies - any idea what i am doing wrong? |
| 11:30.51 | baraquiel | Mikjaer: Is wired network working? |
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| 11:31.26 | Mikjaer | baraquiel: umh? Not sure i follow you? |
| 11:31.31 | Mikjaer | I just said it didnt :P |
| 11:31.54 | baraquiel | I asked in case you only tried wireless |
| 11:31.57 | Mikjaer | or well partly, i get an ip through dhcp - and the ip is in the correct range |
| 11:32.09 | Mikjaer | Ah yes, got it. No, its a server :) |
| 11:32.10 | jelly | Mikjaer: can you pastebin the output of "lsmod" and "dmesg" from the shell? I don't remember if that system uses bnx2 or a newer driver |
| 11:32.41 | Mikjaer | I have no way of getting anything of the machine at the moment, except from taking pictures of the screen |
| 11:32.44 | Mikjaer | it uses bnx2 |
| 11:32.59 | jelly | oh, if you already got a network address (that is not 169.254.0.0/16) that means the driver is ok |
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| 11:33.30 | Mikjaer | i got 10.5.x.x ... which is what it should get |
| 11:33.52 | Mikjaer | and yea, as far as i remember you don't even get an ip when the firmware is missing |
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| 11:35.34 | jelly | depends on the actual chip, sometimes it mostly works except for hw offload acceleration |
| 11:35.51 | jelly | but some chips fail completely yes |
| 11:36.18 | touki | Hi there. I upgrade to 'buster' on my MacBook Air (6.1 or 6.2, I reckon), followed the instructions of 'InstallingDebian' but have an issue concerning the KeyBoard (which is 'belgian', basically, as lightly modified 'french' keyboard). The problem is that I can't get '{' which should be done by pressing 'alt+5' (same for '[' with '+shift). I tried several things found online, but can't get around. I would |
| 11:36.24 | touki | assume that the alt is not correctly mapped (when I press it, gnome tells me I press 'Level3...'). Any idea? |
| 11:36.48 | Mikjaer | jelly: any idea on how to aproach this? |
| 11:37.06 | uio | I knew something would have to broken after upgrading and I think I've found it (or the first one anyway): sound. Speakers not working and microphone not detected... This worked perfectly before. |
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| 11:38.20 | uio | How can I fix this? |
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| 11:39.22 | jelly | Mikjaer: step by step. Verify you can reach (ping) the router ip. Verify you can reach an IP on the internet (or any IP router via default gateway). Verify name resolution works. |
| 11:40.04 | Mikjaer | jelly: all tried, neither works. Only sign of life from the NIC is the IP i get. |
| 11:40.32 | jelly | Mikjaer: then you may be getting incorrect settings from the dhcp server. |
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| 11:41.07 | Mikjaer | jelly: no those are fine as well, double checked them, and other machines on the network are working fine. |
| 11:41.13 | Abdullah | uio: new installation? |
| 11:41.43 | jelly | Mikjaer: show the output of "ip r" and "ip a", from the debian-installer |
| 11:41.51 | uio | uio, No upgraded from 9 to 10. |
| 11:41.57 | jelly | !paste |
| 11:41.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 11:42.06 | alkisg | Mikjaer: include this too: /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n enp2s0 |
| 11:42.12 | alkisg | (put your nic name there) |
| 11:42.18 | jelly | Mikjaer: screenshot image is acceptable |
| 11:42.51 | jelly | onboard bnx2 would probably be named eno1 .. eno2 or eno1 .. eno4 |
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| 11:43.55 | uio | Abdullah, Also tried with headphones. No luck. |
| 11:44.06 | Mikjaer | alkisg: jelly : hangon, i'll just boot it again and snap a picture with my phone. |
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| 11:44.49 | uio | I knew everything was seeming too easy. |
| 11:45.41 | Abdullah | uio: pavucontrol |
| 11:45.52 | Abdullah | ,v pavucontrol |
| 11:45.53 | judd | Package: pavucontrol on amd64 -- jessie: 2.0-3; stretch: 3.0-3.1; bullseye: 3.0-4; buster: 3.0-4; sid: 3.0-4 |
| 11:45.57 | touki | Hey there. Problem with configuring MacBook Air keyboard after Buster upgrade. Can't get 'alt+5' to give me brackets. Any idea (I followed DebianInstall recommendation). |
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| 11:47.14 | jelly | Mikjaer: it might be interesting to see if booting a live linux image (possibly same release as the installer) results in similar symptoms |
| 11:48.20 | uio | Abdullah, I've open pavucontrol, but it isn't helping me anymore that pulsaudio.... |
| 11:48.57 | uio | I thought Buster was stable... What is the new stable? |
| 11:49.30 | Abdullah | buster is stable for now. new will be bullseye |
| 11:50.39 | Mikjaer | alkisg: that binary is not on the install disk |
| 11:51.13 | alkisg | Mikjaer: meh; ok, that was a fake dhcp request.. you could also try nc -u to test if udp works, vs tcp... |
| 11:51.40 | alkisg | I've seen issues where changing mtu to something like 1492 would help |
| 11:52.19 | uio | How can sound not be working in Stable? |
| 11:52.26 | Mikjaer | jelly: alkisg : https://twitter.com/mikjaer/status/1163418373314797570 |
| 11:52.49 | uio | That would be understandable in unstable, or even in testing, but stable? Sound is pretty basic. |
| 11:52.57 | Abdullah | for me its working on testing :) |
| 11:53.36 | uio | Abdullah, lol |
| 11:53.39 | Abdullah | It might be your problem, not the stable. You have done something wrong.check logs |
| 11:53.56 | humpled | sometimes you have to unmute in alsamixer before pulse works |
| 11:54.02 | uio | And from what I've gathered, ThinkPads aren't some kind of odd edge hardware.. |
| 11:54.26 | Mikjaer | jelly: alkisg : https://twitter.com/mikjaer/status/1163418865394704384 <- better picture |
| 11:54.28 | alkisg | Mikjaer: can you test if this helps? ip link set dev enp3s0f0 mtu 1492 |
| 11:54.37 | Abdullah | Thinkpads are the best hardware for linux |
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| 11:55.03 | jelly | Mikjaer: and you can't ping 10.5.0.1? |
| 11:55.11 | uio | Abdullah, That's what I thought. So I just don't see why sound wouldn't work in Stable. |
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| 11:55.28 | Mikjaer | jelly: i cant ping 10.5.0.1 neither with mtu 1492 nor 1500 |
| 11:55.30 | Abdullah | check logs |
| 11:55.38 | alkisg | Mikjaer: and the udp test would be: pc1: nc -l -u 1234; pc2: nc <ip> -u 1234; and try typing and see if the characters go to the other pc |
| 11:56.03 | jelly | Mikjaer: okay, is there a mac address for 10.5.0.1 visible in "ip n s" or "arp -an"? |
| 11:56.10 | uio | So, I want to find a solution, but the real issue is that Buster can't give working sound on standard hardware. |
| 11:56.18 | uio | How did that happen. |
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| 11:56.28 | jelly | Mikjaer: do it right after (unsuccessful) ping |
| 11:56.31 | Mikjaer | alkisg: invalid option "-u" |
| 11:56.40 | uio | humpled, So I'm in alsamixer and it looks like it's on. |
| 11:56.55 | uio | humpled, 'Master' is set to 88. |
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| 11:57.17 | alkisg | Mikjaer: oh well no standard tools in that installer... trying a live installer might help if you don't manage to do anything with that one |
| 11:58.02 | jelly | Mikjaer: something like: 10.5.0.1 dev enp3s0f0 lladdr 01:02:03:04:05:06 REACHABLE |
| 11:58.06 | uio | humpled, Would 'mute' just show '0' or is there like a 'mute' setting independant of the volume level. I do see '00' as well. |
| 11:58.06 | Mikjaer | jelly: https://twitter.com/mikjaer/status/1163419660349575169/photo/1 |
| 11:58.45 | jelly | Mikjaer: so your packets do not arrive at the router at all, or the response does not arrive back |
| 11:59.18 | Mikjaer | but the dhcp works ... |
| 11:59.22 | Mikjaer | this is weird |
| 11:59.24 | Mikjaer | really wird |
| 11:59.26 | Mikjaer | weird |
| 11:59.40 | humpled | mute would show M where the 0s are |
| 11:59.44 | jelly | dhcp server might be chucking you into an isolated VLAN |
| 11:59.50 | Mikjaer | CRAP |
| 12:00.02 | jelly | or the switch might, who knows |
| 12:00.16 | Mikjaer | jelly: you're right ... i was in a trunk port :( |
| 12:00.25 | Mikjaer | Shit im stupid |
| 12:00.32 | Mikjaer | Why the fuck does dhcp work in a trunk port? |
| 12:00.43 | jelly | it's weird dhcp worked then |
| 12:01.00 | uio | humpled, Okay, so it's not muted in Alsamixer. |
| 12:01.03 | Mikjaer | i moved the plug to another port in the switch and ping worked instantly |
| 12:01.24 | uio | SO, how can I troubleshoot this? |
| 12:01.31 | jelly | if you know which vlan you're supposed to be in, you should be able to set up enp3s0f0.vlannumber somehow |
| 12:01.36 | Mikjaer | i just remembered that the switch in the office was taken from the serverroom without begeing rencofigured ... which is why port 1 (the trunk) was not ussed |
| 12:01.46 | Mikjaer | forgot that when i hooked the server up for reinstall yesterday :( |
| 12:01.53 | jelly | right |
| 12:02.02 | Mikjaer | jelly: alkisg: i owe you guys a beer, thanks for the patience |
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| 12:02.10 | jelly | cheers! |
| 12:03.16 | uio | Is my ThinkPad X61 now too old for Debian? |
| 12:03.38 | Mikjaer | If you show up at CCC i'll buy you a beer :) |
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| 12:03.56 | jelly | uio: 2GB RAM might be too little for a modern GUI, but in general the machine ought to work |
| 12:04.27 | jelly | drivers for old hardware bitrot. |
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| 12:04.43 | uio | jelly, Yeah, I pretty good with 2Gb, but decided to order 2 more. It'll get here soon. |
| 12:04.50 | uio | Just because it was cheap :) |
| 12:05.17 | uio | It looks like others have had issues with the sound in Buster. |
| 12:05.28 | uio | It's in French, but : https://debian-facile.org/viewtopic.php?id=24688&p=11 |
| 12:05.38 | jelly | uio: boot the old stretch kernel, see if it works better |
| 12:06.49 | uio | jelly, Sorry, but I have no idea how to do that. Also, I ran sudo unattended-upgrade -d and it said something about removing the old kernel... I think. |
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| 12:07.20 | uio | Why wouldn't sound just work in stable? |
| 12:07.26 | jelly | uio: if there's still a 4.9 kernel in /boot, pick that in grub menu (possibly under advanced options for debian) |
| 12:07.53 | jelly | uio: because people writing drivers do not test for regressions in 14 year old hardware |
| 12:08.23 | jelly | uio: if there is no 4.9 kernel any more you'll have to add back repos for stretch to install it |
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| 12:09.08 | uio | Are there warning messages against these kind of issues for new 'stable' releases? |
| 12:09.25 | uio | It's pretty important to know that an OS is dropping hardware. |
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| 12:09.41 | jelly | uio: it's not "dropping" as much as "buggy" |
| 12:10.26 | jelly | there's no intentional dropping and the driver still binds to your hardware; that is, it's supposed to work, but somewhere along the way something broke |
| 12:10.28 | uio | jelly, True. I mean I get the whole limited testing and whatever, but it's frustrating to 'upgrade' to 'stable' and release that one has just downgraded into problems. |
| 12:10.41 | uio | Anyway, I'll do my best now. |
| 12:10.46 | uio | Okay. /boot |
| 12:11.52 | uio | jelly, How do I tell if there is a 4.9 kernel? |
| 12:12.08 | vlt | Hello. A Principle of Least Surprise question: Does reloading a systemd unit usually require root permissions? |
| 12:12.13 | touki | Hey there. Problem with configuring MacBook Air keyboard after Buster upgrade. Can't get 'alt+5' to give me brackets. I followed DebianInstall recommendation. Any idea? |
| 12:13.28 | jelly | uio: existence of a kernel named something like /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.something |
| 12:13.54 | uio | jelly, It's still there. |
| 12:14.15 | uio | jelly, So I should reboot, go into options, choose the old kernel and hope things work? |
| 12:14.15 | jelly | uio: you should be able to boot it and try things, then |
| 12:14.28 | uio | jelly, Okay. Thanks. Brb. |
| 12:14.42 | jelly | vlt: if you mean running "systemctl daemon-reload" to make it reread any changes, then yes |
| 12:15.10 | vlt | jelly: And `systemctl reload the_daemon`? |
| 12:15.11 | jelly | vlt: I suppose if it's a per-user unit, it might not? |
| 12:15.30 | jelly | vlt: that won't tell systemd to reread the config file. |
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| 12:15.53 | jelly | I _think_. Uncomfirmed. |
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| 12:18.46 | vlt | jelly: The systemd unit file has an "ExecReload=/bin/kill -HUP $MAINPID" line. So, technically, everyone could just do that. But I'd expect only root to run the actual reload command. |
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| 12:31.59 | uio | I didn't end up trying the old kernel. |
| 12:32.08 | uio | I did read this though: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/452079/no-sound-unless-root-in-debian-buster |
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| 12:32.42 | uio | And the last 'solution' worked for me: to get sound and mic back in Buster I had to sudo apt-get remove --purge timidity |
| 12:32.51 | uio | There it is. I don't get this. |
| 12:32.56 | uio | But hey, it works. |
| 12:33.20 | uio | jelly, Thanks for your help: sudo apt-get remove --purge timidity worked for me/ |
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| 12:34.17 | uio | To avoid these kind of issues in the future, is it best to wait a year or so after the stable release so these kind of issues can be worked out? |
| 12:34.40 | uio | Or were there release notes saying that hardware X years old might have issues? |
| 12:35.10 | uio | Or is it just better to adopt the 'if it ain't broke don't upgrade it' philosophy? |
| 12:36.07 | uio | Well, as suspected this morning when I hesitated Stretch to Buster ended up taking a good 5 hours. |
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| 12:39.39 | dvs | uio, it's usually good to not get the "super new" hardware (i.e. less than a year old) to install Debian on. |
| 12:39.48 | humpled | it was a known issue with timidity, which unfortunately i forgot about |
| 12:41.50 | dvs | Oh? You mean... |
| 12:41.59 | dvs | !timidity pulseaudio |
| 12:41.59 | dpkg | Some users have had <timidity> blocking access to their sound card, resulting in <pulseaudio> only seeing a dummy output. Check if timidity is running with 'systemctl status timidity' and stop/disable with 'systemctl stop timidity ; systemctl disable timidity' and/or remove the timidity-daemon package. |
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| 12:42.11 | uio | dvs, Yep. |
| 12:42.29 | uio | humpled, No worries, I really appreciate your help anyway. |
| 12:42.47 | uio | dvs, This wasn't an issue in 9. |
| 12:43.03 | dvs | uio, no, this is new for debian 10 |
| 12:43.15 | uio | dvs, I'm on an X61, so no new hardware issue :) |
| 12:43.24 | uio | dvs, Will it be fixed do you think. |
| 12:43.26 | uio | ? |
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| 12:43.54 | dvs | uio, Why do you need a fix when there is a work around? |
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| 12:44.03 | uio | Guess I can't play midi files now. |
| 12:44.05 | uio | lol |
| 12:44.18 | uio | dvs, I just want Stable to be stable. |
| 12:44.22 | dvs | the fix is right there!!! |
| 12:44.59 | uio | I did sudo apt-get remove --purge timidity |
| 12:45.05 | uio | But it took a while to find. |
| 12:45.23 | uio | I'd get that for testing or unstable. But not stable. |
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| 12:53.51 | uio | Do these kind of changes get fixed in Stable updates? Or what is the process after Stable is released? |
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| 12:55.53 | dvs | uio, a fix might be found in a point release if the problem is severe enough. |
| 12:56.44 | uio | dvs, Cool. |
| 12:57.17 | uio | dvs, Would systemctl disable timidity permanently stop timidity issues, or would I have to run it every time I reboot? |
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| 12:58.05 | dvs | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.15 | Alpha3031 | You can also systemctl mask the unit. That's like the most severe option short of actually removing it. |
| 13:00.32 | uio | Alpha3031, Okay. |
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| 13:00.46 | humpled | but if it's masked it can't be run? |
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| 13:01.09 | Alpha3031 | It can't run as a service. |
| 13:01.37 | humpled | but if disabled, it can be run after bootup and hopefully won't break pulse then |
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| 13:01.57 | uio | I'll choose sound over midi for now and wait for the fix. Thanks for you help everyone! |
| 13:02.14 | dvs | huh? |
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| 13:02.35 | dvs | So the timidity fix didn't fix your problem? |
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| 13:03.26 | humpled | i think they did the stackexchange method and basically ignored the bot |
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| 13:04.11 | Alpha3031 | Hmm. I suppose if the problem is the order, could just add a Wants= somewhere in the unit file. |
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| 13:05.01 | BlackSalmon | How install "depmod"? I can't find answer in google :/ |
| 13:05.28 | Alpha3031 | Wait no it's After= |
| 13:05.34 | uio | dvs, humpled The bot said that removing the package was an option. I removed the packaged following SE. From what I've understood timidity is involved in playing MIDI files, something I have done in the past. In my view removing timidity or disabling it is just a workaround. A real solution for a Stable system would allow one to both have timidity installed and have sound working at the same time. |
| 13:06.11 | uio | Unless the daemon and timidity are different? |
| 13:06.25 | dvs | uio, no, the workaround was to remove the timidity-daemon package |
| 13:06.38 | Alpha3031 | BlackSalmon: degmod is in kmod I think |
| 13:06.38 | uio | dvs, Okay. |
| 13:06.50 | Alpha3031 | Try apt install kmod |
| 13:06.57 | uio | dvs, Is the daemon not needed for timidity to work? |
| 13:07.11 | dvs | uio, I don't know about timidity |
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| 13:08.15 | BlackSalmon | Alpha3031 already newest version |
| 13:08.41 | BlackSalmon | I tried install vmware tools but i don't have idea how make it without 999999 errors |
| 13:08.57 | humpled | does BlackSalmon have the 'not in my path' problem? |
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| 13:09.28 | Alpha3031 | Depmod is in /sbin |
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| 13:09.38 | BlackSalmon | https://dpaste.de/cDFX |
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| 13:10.08 | BlackSalmon | Not exactly 'not in my path' problem, i think is something different |
| 13:11.30 | BlackSalmon | check link, error is pasted there |
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| 13:14.36 | humpled | ,info pulpit |
| 13:14.37 | judd | No package named 'pulpit' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 13:16.06 | humpled | i presume "whereis depmod" tells you /sbin/depmod BlackSalmon ? |
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| 13:20.31 | uio | dvs, So, I can keep timidity, but had to remove the daemon and sound is good. I dug a bit more though, and this bug was brought to Debian's attention back in June 2018. |
| 13:20.37 | uio | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=901931 |
| 13:20.38 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/901931 in timidity-daemon (open): «timidity-daemon: upgrading to 2.14.0-3 breaks whole sound-system»; severity: important; opened: 2018-06-20; last modified: 2019-06-22. |
| 13:21.12 | uio | The first filer rated the severity as 'important'. Any ideas on why this wasn't adressed? |
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| 13:23.16 | uio | The maintainer's reply was 'please do an apt-get remove timidity-daemon if you do not need it'. Is that a real fix? |
| 13:23.32 | uio | Reply from 30 Jun 2018. |
| 13:24.09 | dvs | uio, not to me. It sounds like they need to change timidity-daemon |
| 13:24.19 | uio | dvs, Hmmm. |
| 13:24.27 | uio | dvs, Yeah, it looks like it. |
| 13:24.40 | uio | dvs, I have timidity installed right now and sound is good. |
| 13:24.53 | uio | As the bot says, the real issue comes from the daemon. |
| 13:27.05 | uio | Interestingly, one of the bug filers says 'The fix is not to be expected from a new version of timidity as it |
| 13:27.05 | uio | rather is a packaging bug.' |
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| 13:35.13 | uio | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.41 | uio | All the information is there to show that a fix is needed and I don't think my 2 cents will help much. |
| 13:36.19 | dvs | uio, the worst then can say is "no" |
| 13:36.38 | uio | dvs, True. |
| 13:36.51 | uio | Also, why do they need my real name and my email address? |
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| 13:52.47 | ws2k3 | so i got this weird issue. when i do dig NS google.com +short @1.1.1.1 i nicely get ns4.google.com and a few more. but when i run dig NS mydomain.com +short @1.1.1.1 it innidiatly responds with nothing could this be a dns settings? or am i doing it wrong? |
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| 14:04.47 | jelly | ws2k3: "dig NS mydomain.com +short @1.1.1.1" works from here and gives 4 results in the answer |
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| 14:07.36 | tdn | I have dual boot between debian 9 and windows 10. After a recent windows update, grub fails to boot saying: "error: unknown filesystem; entering rescue mode...; grub rescue>" I have tried booting on debian 10 livecd and done this: http://paste.yt/p8809.html What else to try? |
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| 14:12.04 | trek00 | tdn: i think you should mount you efi partition |
| 14:12.47 | trek00 | tdn: if it is /dev/sdb2, then mount /dev/sdb2 /boot/efi |
| 14:13.28 | tdn | trek00, how do I find out what partition that is? |
| 14:14.01 | trek00 | tdn: it should be written in your /etc/fstab |
| 14:14.37 | tdn | trek00, ok |
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| 14:15.14 | tdn | trek00, it just lists a UUID. How do I find out which one that is? |
| 14:15.45 | trek00 | tdn: lsblk -o+uuid |
| 14:17.03 | tdn | trek00, hope this works. (rebooting) |
| 14:17.38 | trek00 | tdn: well, I mean mount boot efi before doing again update-grub |
| 14:18.37 | tdn | trek00, that did work. Or at least something works. Now I get a proper GRUB menu on booting. But when I actually boot. It prompts me for LUKS passphrase as before. So far so good. However, then it fails to activate swap: "See systemctl status dev-nvmen1p7.swap for details" |
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| 14:18.44 | trek00 | tdn: i'm still searching for a solution, this error message remind me something "grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1. Check your device.map." |
| 14:18.54 | ws2k3 | jelly: true. but dig NS test.mydomain.com +short @1.1.1.1 does not. |
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| 14:19.15 | tdn | trek00, I think that is the USB I booted on. sdb |
| 14:19.47 | ws2k3 | jelly: dig NS fubar.mydomain.com +short @1.1.1.1 also doesnt |
| 14:20.17 | trek00 | tdn: try again an update-grub now that you have booted from the correct system |
| 14:20.26 | tdn | trek00, when I boot up in the real system now; drop to a shell; and run update-grub, I still get this: grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1. Check your device.map. |
| 14:20.35 | tdn | trek00, yeah, just did |
| 14:20.43 | tdn | trek00, maybe something with initramfs? |
| 14:21.01 | trek00 | tdn: may be, but wait sdb is your usb stick? |
| 14:21.10 | tdn | trek00, I think so. |
| 14:21.16 | tdn | trek00, yes, it is. |
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| 14:22.31 | trek00 | tdn: well if the problem now is only the swap, check the systemctl status messages to figure out what it's blocking |
| 14:22.51 | ws2k3 | jelly: even dig NS jelly.google.com +short @1.1.1.1 is en emty response. it seems this behavior is linked with none exsisting subdomain?/ |
| 14:23.28 | tdn | trek00, http://paste.yt/p8810.html |
| 14:24.42 | tdn | trek00, sorry, typo in my command: http://paste.yt/p8811.html |
| 14:25.00 | trek00 | tdn: sorry i really don't know i don't use systemd, may be you should recreate swap partition? try swpon /dev/nvme0n1p7 |
| 14:25.16 | tdn | trek00, it should be encrypted swap |
| 14:26.32 | trek00 | tdn: ok, so no header could be found anyway, but i can't help you with systemd, you need to recreate the encrypted swap partition, but it should be recreated at boot (?) |
| 14:26.50 | tdn | trek00, ah! So it seems that nvme0n1p7 changed name to nvme0n1p8 somehow |
| 14:27.01 | trek00 | oops |
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| 14:27.08 | tdn | trek00, how did that happen? And how to fix? |
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| 14:27.28 | trek00 | tdn: this could be bad with encrypted swaps |
| 14:27.54 | tdn | trek00, "be bad"? |
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| 14:28.03 | rant | tdn: don't use device names, use UUID or LABELs thats why they were created, because device names are unreliable |
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| 14:28.21 | tdn | rant, /etc/crypttab DOES use UUID |
| 14:29.51 | tdn | Oh. That was for /home it used UUID |
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| 14:29.56 | tdn | It has this line: nvme0n1p6_crypt /dev/nvme0n1p6 /dev/urandom cipher=aes-xts-plain64,size=256,swap |
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| 14:31.22 | tdn | Ill just change it to nvme0n1p6_crypt /dev/nvme0n1p7 /dev/urandom cipher=aes-xts-plain64,size=256,swap |
| 14:31.22 | rant | o.O |
| 14:31.24 | trek00 | tdn: using directly the device name with a plain (no-luks) crypt random swap, could overwrite other partitions in some cases |
| 14:31.25 | tdn | Hope that helps |
| 14:31.42 | rant | htf do you suppose to use /dev/urandom as a keyfile? |
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| 14:32.01 | trek00 | rant: it's a non-persistant swap |
| 14:32.17 | trek00 | rant: it changes its keys at each boot |
| 14:32.23 | tdn | trek00, if this is bad practice, then someone ought to fix the Debian installer. Because this is what happens when you select "Guided partitioning with LUKS encrypted disks" |
| 14:32.36 | tdn | rant, it is swap. It just uses a new key on each mount. |
| 14:32.43 | trek00 | tdn: if the swap is on luks no problems |
| 14:32.52 | tdn | trek00, swap is on LUKS |
| 14:33.01 | trek00 | tdn: no problems thus |
| 14:33.06 | rant | idk, maybe I missed some conversation but I dont see how this is possible |
| 14:33.08 | tdn | trek00, I think everythin works now. |
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| 14:33.19 | tdn | rant, the random key bit is pretty standard |
| 14:33.28 | tdn | rant, and has been for at least 10 years :) |
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| 14:33.47 | trek00 | rant: you can't use hibernate/resume, but it's running fine |
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| 14:34.02 | tdn | trek00, if you are serious about WDE, you dont WANT to use hibernate |
| 14:34.11 | tdn | trek00, because you'll save the key to disk |
| 14:34.16 | tdn | which defeats the purpose |
| 14:34.20 | trek00 | tdn: with luks you should be able to put an uuid on /etc/cryptab i think |
| 14:34.43 | tdn | trek00, I may try that. I always sweat when I touch that file because I fear locking myself out |
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| 14:35.13 | rant | crypttab(5) "It can also be a device name (e.g. /dev/urandom), note however that LUKS requires a persistent key and therefore does not support random data keys." |
| 14:35.21 | trek00 | tdn: yes hibernate is bad for security :) |
| 14:36.11 | trek00 | rant: good match, so it's using plain swap |
| 14:36.14 | tdn | rant, yeah that is a pretty wierd sentence. Suggesting to use /dev/urandom but then saying it cannot be random data. |
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| 14:36.24 | trek00 | plain (no-luks) encrypted swap |
| 14:36.38 | tdn | rant, but it works and have been pretty standard stuff for a long long time. |
| 14:36.44 | rant | shrugs |
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| 14:36.56 | tdn | rant, it is even what the debian installer does by default |
| 14:37.01 | rant | I just have an encrypted LVM and my swap is on there with everything else |
| 14:37.21 | tdn | rant, yeah, as a regular file, right? |
| 14:37.25 | trek00 | tdn: i sent a patch years ago, but it was forgot |
| 14:37.39 | rant | tdn: no I have a swap partition on the lvm |
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| 14:37.46 | rant | and debian installer did that |
| 14:38.16 | trek00 | rant: encrypted lvm without a random key for swap has some attacks threats |
| 14:38.31 | tdn | rant, ok. I normaly use a regular file of X GB. Then I can add more if need be. (need never be) |
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| 14:39.10 | rant | you can have more than one swap device, and add them as needed |
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| 14:39.31 | rant | you can also compress your ram and use that |
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| 14:40.15 | rant | but idk where all this stuff about debian does this by default comes from.. I'm using Debian, I used guided partitioning, it created a /boot then an encrypted lvm with rootfs and swap in it |
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| 14:41.48 | trek00 | rant: you cant select a random crypt from the installer |
| 14:41.56 | trek00 | rant: sorry, you can select |
| 14:42.30 | rant | shrugs |
| 14:43.00 | rant | I'd like to setup a removable key on an sd card with a fallback to password but I never got around to doing it |
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| 14:43.20 | rant | its kind of a pita to setup |
| 14:43.30 | trek00 | tdn: to use safely a plain crypt swap, you should add a partlabel to your swap partition, then mount it from the path /dev/disk/by-partlabel/name |
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| 14:44.14 | tdn | rant, yeah, I would love that as well. And some mechanism to get a key over the network |
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| 14:44.37 | trek00 | rant: it's not the same, having a persistent swap it will remove the assumption that ram is volatile, so the next boot you can find old memory in your swap file |
| 14:44.41 | tdn | trek00, ok. I think I'll just remove it actually. And use a file instead. |
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| 14:46.42 | rant | trek00: you won't find crap in my swapfile, its just there to keep SHTF if I do something stupid like hit a js landmine on the web or accidentally tell the machine to open up a bunch of large files or something.. gives me time while its swapping to fix the problem before the OOM monster arrives |
| 14:47.24 | rant | well I guess I have 42MB in there right now.. heh.. its rare there is any swap in use on my system |
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| 14:48.06 | EdePopede | so you must have tons of ram or not use firefox at all ;) |
| 14:48.09 | rant | but either way, that sounds ridiculous to me :D |
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| 14:48.59 | trek00 | rant: hope that these 42MB does not contains passwords :) |
| 14:49.05 | rant | I have 8GB and I only use FF for streaming.. I have a Windows FF with Flash for Xfinity and Debian ESR for Netflix, both with custom icons, userchrome.css in profile to make the windows totally chromeless..etc |
| 14:49.26 | rant | trek00: if it does they're not mine.. I dont have passwords |
| 14:49.33 | trek00 | ;) |
| 14:49.52 | rant | the only password is for the LVM.. the rest I use fingerprint scanner for |
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| 14:51.05 | rant | and that LVM password takes longer to type than my machine takes to boot.. which is why I been dreaming of taking an old SD card, writing some random data to it outside the partition and using that for a key |
| 14:51.51 | trek00 | rant: that sd card would be far more resistant that fingerprint scanner :) |
| 14:52.29 | rant | idk what you mean, but the fingerprint scanner is an identification device not an authentication device |
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| 14:53.55 | rant | the security is in the fact that when the machine is turned off, its encrypted.. if you can't decrypt the system, you have no chance to fool the fingerprint scanner.. if you've decrypted the lvm, and are trying to get around the fingerprint scanner you're an idiot :P |
| 14:53.57 | trek00 | rant: it's far more simpler to steal fingerprints than an sdcard, and you can't change your fingerprints when stolen, but you can with a key inside an sdcard |
| 14:54.20 | rant | cause if you decrypted the fs, you can just pop it in something else and access everything without trying to get around PAM :D |
| 14:54.23 | busch | My debian server loses network connectivity alsmost exaclty every 24 hours. My guss is that the dhcp lease does not get renewed? How can I check that the dhcp client ist working correctly? Is that some kind of service that must be running? How to Tshoot? It is debian release 10 |
| 14:56.15 | rant | trek00: yeah I like the sdcard idea cause especially if you were to use a micro with the adapter to make it full sized.. micros are real easy to conseal and destroy if need be.. you could swallow it ffs :D |
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| 14:56.32 | greycat | "journalctl -u networking" should show you the DHCP client-daemon's logs, if there are any |
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| 14:57.12 | rant | trek00: I just wish it were easier to do.. I can't seem to motivate my lazy ass to do all thats involved |
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| 14:57.49 | rant | finding a card, writing the data, adding the key to the container, writing scripts, updating initramfs..etc :P |
| 14:58.01 | rant | figured one of these days maybe someone will pay me to do it :D |
| 14:58.03 | trek00 | rant: i know :) |
| 14:59.29 | rant | trek00: hell, using your random key idea there.. you could even hook it to systemd and have it generate a new key on shutdown or something |
| 14:59.58 | rant | little extra security in case someone thought they were slick and copied your card or something |
| 15:00.04 | trek00 | rant: the good thing with random swap is that key is never stored on disk |
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| 15:00.25 | rant | I'm not talking about random swap, I'm talking about removable keys |
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| 15:00.56 | rant | if you're gonna go through the work of setting it all up, you could just as easily have it write a new key on shutdown and add it to the container |
| 15:01.20 | rant | so the key changes every time you turn the machine off |
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| 15:01.57 | trek00 | rant: the main luks key remain the same, i don't know how much extra security it could add |
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| 15:02.22 | rant | afaik the way luks works is there are like 8 slots in the header.. |
| 15:02.34 | rant | I really only ever used it with passwords.. one slot.. |
| 15:02.53 | trek00 | busch: you could add an expire sentence to your dhclient.conf |
| 15:03.05 | rant | but any of the slots can unlock the volume.. and you can add/remove keys/passwords |
| 15:03.41 | rant | idk if having a script do that would be the greatest idea in the world.. but.. YOLO.. as they say :P |
| 15:04.02 | trek00 | rant: that's an useful feature of luks, but i'm stinking with plain dm-crypt |
| 15:04.28 | rant | ah.. |
| 15:05.06 | trek00 | rant: oops, sticking |
| 15:05.12 | rant | don't know about that.. I've only used luks, other than one time I used TrueCrypt years ago cause it was cross platform.. what a bad idea that was in retrospect |
| 15:05.40 | busch | trek00, What can be archived by the "expire sentence"? From the docs: "The expire statement defines the time at which the dhcp client must stop using a lease if it has not been able to contact a server in order to renew it." |
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| 15:08.02 | trek00 | busch: if your server disconnect every 24 hours, may be it not renewed its lease in time just before the dhcp server disconnect it, so an expire statement will says to your dhclient to renew the lease before the timeout |
| 15:08.46 | NetTerminalGene | guys, when i open a trailer in imdb.com it shuts down immediately. could someone confirm for me, please? |
| 15:08.56 | greycat | At this point you're just guessing that DHCP is even *involved* in the problem. |
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| 15:09.09 | NetTerminalGene | it happens both firefox and brave browser |
| 15:09.13 | greycat | Find the logs from whenever this "disconnect" happened, and see what actually went down. |
| 15:09.38 | NetTerminalGene | greycat, me? |
| 15:09.41 | trek00 | busch: yes, you should check logs before, as greycat said |
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| 15:09.47 | rant | I'm a little amused by the whole "server" and "dhcp" thing personally.. |
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| 15:10.08 | trek00 | NetTerminalGene: what gpu card do you have? |
| 15:10.30 | NetTerminalGene | trek00, gpu in i5 7400 |
| 15:10.38 | NetTerminalGene | 630m or something |
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| 15:11.02 | trek00 | NetTerminalGene: do you got kernel errors in the logs? |
| 15:11.10 | busch | trek00, Nothing DHCP related in syslog. Only an application is logging that DNS querys are failing. I will check the expire statement |
| 15:11.10 | NetTerminalGene | dunno |
| 15:11.17 | NetTerminalGene | trek00, |
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| 15:11.26 | busch | rant, Nothing wrong with using DHCP for servers :) |
| 15:11.44 | rant | busch: do you wear your underwear on your head :P |
| 15:12.06 | busch | rant, If I would, would you like to know? :D |
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| 15:13.20 | rant | busch: depends.. but somehow I doubt it.. |
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| 15:13.28 | trek00 | NetTerminalGene: try to disable hardware acceleration in your firefox preferences |
| 15:13.48 | NetTerminalGene | ok |
| 15:14.00 | trek00 | busch: are you using dhclient or other clients? |
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| 15:15.32 | zetuno | "Unable to download updates: failed to refresh cache: W: Repository 'http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates InRelease' changed its 'Version' value from '' to '10' --- what do I need to do about this? does this mean the remote repository Version doesn't match what my local files expect? |
| 15:16.51 | themill | zetuno: use "apt update" |
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| 15:20.34 | busch | trek00, I'm using dhclient. Now I configured the network using static configuration. Lets see if the issue goes away with that. Can tell you in 24 hours |
| 15:21.00 | zetuno | oh, congrats buster, on stable |
| 15:22.52 | trek00 | busch: it should be a safer setup |
| 15:23.45 | busch | trek00, Hmm it depends. It is a server from a big hosting provider. When they change something of "their" side, I have to reconfigure |
| 15:23.56 | trek00 | busch: but may be your firewall is tied to the dhcpserver to allows clients go out |
| 15:24.17 | busch | trek00, iptables looks fine |
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| 15:24.48 | trek00 | busch: i mean your gateway, the firewall at the hosting provider |
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| 15:26.14 | busch | trek00, Oh sorry. I misunderstood. Yes, that could be an issue which is even harder to tshoot |
| 15:26.27 | BlackSalmon | How install chrome on i386 ;-; |
| 15:26.35 | busch | We'll see in the next 24 hours (or more, depending on the ISPs configuraton" |
| 15:26.36 | busch | ) |
| 15:27.01 | Abdullah | well, I installed a system using netinstall iso. for some reasons, installer was hung at choose mirrors after I had installed the base system. I rebooted the machine. and came live from a livecd installation. then created a efibootmgr entry. Now I'm okay with this system. but still have doubts there maybe something missing which installer does and I missed. some ideas? |
| 15:27.07 | trek00 | busch: if so, try with expire/rebind/renew in dhclient.conf |
| 15:27.14 | Abdullah | I had to create a user for me manually/ |
| 15:27.20 | busch | trek00, yep |
| 15:27.42 | BlackSalmon | >Download .amd64 from chrome site tells me i can't install this because i have i386 |
| 15:27.59 | greycat | yes, google-chrome only supports amd64 nwo |
| 15:28.00 | Abdullah | BlackSalmon: lemme send you something. |
| 15:28.00 | greycat | now |
| 15:28.03 | BlackSalmon | >installing chromium-browser get's me error |
| 15:28.09 | trek00 | busch: i should correct me: renew is more appropriate than expire |
| 15:28.20 | BlackSalmon | "chromium-browser has no installation candidate" |
| 15:28.32 | Abdullah | if greycat says that, then I think it my solution won't work. |
| 15:28.37 | BlackSalmon | Abdullah k |
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| 15:29.02 | greycat | "google-chrome(-stable)" is the upstream binary-only release, and it is only built for amd64. |
| 15:29.22 | greycat | "chromium" is the package within Debian, built from the source code without the proprietary stuff added. |
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| 15:29.41 | greycat | ,v chromium |
| 15:29.42 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; buster: 73.0.3683.75-1; buster-security: 76.0.3809.100-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 76.0.3809.100-1; sid: 76.0.3809.100-1 |
| 15:30.02 | greycat | ,v chromium --arch i386 |
| 15:30.04 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; buster: 73.0.3683.75-1; buster-security: 76.0.3809.100-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 76.0.3809.100-1; sid: 76.0.3809.100-1 |
| 15:30.30 | BlackSalmon | What's this? |
| 15:30.33 | Abdullah | greycat: chrome is also in repos? never knew that. |
| 15:30.42 | Abdullah | ,v google-chrome-stable |
| 15:30.43 | judd | No package named 'google-chrome-stable' was found in amd64. |
| 15:31.08 | trek00 | greycat: it seems to be here for i386 |
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| 15:32.03 | greycat | google-chrome-stable is not in Debian. It is provided by Google in third-party repositories. |
| 15:32.13 | trek00 | BlackSalmon: try install chromium |
| 15:32.24 | busch | trek00, The options renew, rebind and expire are looking awkward to me. They all require a date. I expect them to be a time in seconds, minutes or hours?!! |
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| 15:32.40 | Abdullah | yeah I download it from chrome.google.com |
| 15:32.41 | greycat | Your original question said google-chrome, so I was talking about that. Then you changed it to "chromium-browser" which does not exist, so now I'm wondering if you actually meant "chromium", which does exist. |
| 15:33.12 | greycat | If you downloaded something from google.com then you are BACK TO talking about google-chrome, not chromium. |
| 15:33.17 | greycat | I cannot keep up with this flip flopping. |
| 15:33.35 | BlackSalmon | trek00: i thought about this but i wasn't sure if chromium isn't something else then chromium-browser |
| 15:33.46 | BlackSalmon | like framework or some other crap |
| 15:33.47 | greycat | I don't know what the word "chromium-browser" refers to. |
| 15:33.49 | trek00 | busch: you can renew every monday for example |
| 15:33.52 | zetuno | chromium is going to ship the change that disables ublock though, right? |
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| 15:34.40 | BlackSalmon | "apt-get install chromium-browser" - that what i was puting in console which wasn't working |
| 15:34.48 | greycat | because that's not a valid package name. |
| 15:34.50 | BlackSalmon | i refered to this |
| 15:34.52 | greycat | chromium is. |
| 15:35.17 | BlackSalmon | K, installed. Works fine |
| 15:35.25 | avu | just install chromium-bsu instead, it's more fun! |
| 15:36.01 | busch | trek00, I don't see the option to use wildcards in the date. From the manpage: "Dates are specified as follows: _weekday_ _year_/_month_/_day__hour_:_minute_:_second_" |
| 15:36.29 | busch | trek00, So something like "do it every XY" should't be possible. This confuses me |
| 15:38.30 | trek00 | busch: sorry i've got confused too, option dhcp-renewal-time 123 |
| 15:38.38 | trek00 | busch: man dhcp-options |
| 15:40.16 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.28 | trek00 | busch: but that's not really the option i was searching, it simply tell the server how to behave, not telling the client how to react if dhcp server is misbehaving |
| 15:40.45 | greycat | "The unit32 data type specifies an unsigned 32-bit integer." |
| 15:40.49 | greycat | uint32* |
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| 15:45.42 | greycat | (once again, have you actually found any logs that say DHCP is involved in this problem at all?) |
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| 15:49.37 | busch | greycat, Nope. I canno't confirm that the issue is dhcp related at all. Nothing about dhcp in /var/log/syslog. Maybe I have to configure logging. |
| 15:49.42 | Bushmills | "telling the client how to react if dhcp server is misbehaving" - given that one dhcpd can serve many clients, which all needed telling how to behave - wouldn't it make more sense to tell the machine running the dhcpd what to do with it when it misbehaves? |
| 15:49.55 | greycat | 10:56 greycat> "journalctl -u networking" should show you the DHCP client-daemon's logs, if there are any |
| 15:50.26 | busch | trek00, That option seems better |
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| 15:52.24 | busch | greycat, oh. Yes, there are some errors on other network interfaces, but nothing dhcp related. |
| 15:52.48 | busch | greycat, It seems that this is just the log since the last reboot. Can I go back further? |
| 15:53.50 | greycat | Sadly, systemd does NOT save its logs to disk by default. Only in memory. If you want logs that persist across reboot, you have to follow the steps in systemd-journald(8) |
| 15:54.28 | busch | Goddamn. I hate systemd |
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| 15:55.22 | greycat | Some services log multiple places, e.g. through both journalctl and traditional syslog, so there *could* be logs in /var/log/ written by rsyslogd or whatever. |
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| 15:55.59 | busch | systemctl status networking: "Active: failed" |
| 15:56.11 | greycat | My approach when all I know is *when* something happened, but not *what* happened, would be to find every single log file from that time period. |
| 15:56.33 | busch | greycat, I am already through every log in /var/log/ |
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| 15:57.04 | greycat | So, when you say it loses network ... what happens next? Do you forcibly reboot it? Or does networking come back after a few minutes? |
| 15:57.06 | busch | Why can't debian log directly to syslog if anything with the network interfaces is failing/failed? |
| 15:57.32 | busch | greycat, Reboot through the API on hypervisor |
| 15:57.51 | greycat | So as far as we know, it's not even networking related. The entire VM might simply crash. |
| 15:57.52 | busch | NOT forcilby. |
| 15:58.04 | busch | Just a normal reboot |
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| 15:58.41 | greycat | does your VM interface give you any kind of console access to the thing that doesn't rely on the networking layer? |
| 15:58.50 | busch | One application is logging failed DNS query after the VM loses network connectivity. So the applications are working then the issue happens |
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| 15:59.00 | busch | greycat, Sadly, no |
| 15:59.01 | greycat | ok, that's good to know |
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| 16:09.43 | Bushmills | does "failing network" only show when trying to reach remote hosts after resolving through DNS first, or also when, for example, trying to reach a host with name in /etc/hosts, or by ip address? |
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| 16:11.40 | busch | Bushmills, Good question. After setting a static IP for now, I will wait 24 hours to see if the issue happens again. Tomorrow I dig deeping into the issue when I know if it is indeed dhcp related |
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| 16:18.13 | Bushmills | I remember a case of an Armbian SBC device which would, as it seemed, release its dhcp lease after a certain time which was shorter than specified in both client and server dhcp config. I wasn't able to resolve that issue by modifying the configs. What I finally did was to purge dhcp client - with config, that is -, then reinstall, and voila, functioning properly then. My guess is that some change to the config file, of which I kept the |
| 16:18.13 | Bushmills | locally edited version rather than using maintainer provided version, caused it to misbehave after upgrading to a new version. |
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| 16:26.59 | busch | Bushmills, I checked it. Indeed the system was updated from (latest) debian 9 to 10, but the dhclient.conf contents are still the same |
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| 17:04.50 | emulated | Hello, is there any chance Debian 10 will get a fix for this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373232, once it gets resolved upstream? I am not familiar with the package update policies of stable |
| 17:05.52 | dvs | emulated, there's a chance that it will be fixed on a point release. |
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| 17:06.21 | greycat | Interesting... the word "stable" does not appear in https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/index.html |
| 17:06.56 | dvs | So Debian is not stable?!? |
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| 17:08.02 | timur_davletshin | There are spots on the Sun ))) |
| 17:08.46 | emulated | dvs: do you mean on something like 10.1? |
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| 17:11.00 | greycat | I can't find a formal definition of "stable". So far all I've found are some wiki pages that talk around the issues. The best of them, so far, is https://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
| 17:11.03 | dvs | emulated, yes |
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| 17:13.39 | greycat | there's also https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
| 17:13.59 | greycat | but I think that's incomplete |
| 17:15.16 | greycat | also related, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases |
| 17:16.24 | trek00 | emulated: is the -dpi workaround fine? |
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| 17:16.26 | jelly | emulated: I'd go with "unlikely" unless it happens the whole time and affects most users of Konsole, not just those with fractional scaling configured |
| 17:17.11 | emulated | dvs: I am asking this because Debian 10.0 ships with KDE 5.14, but this bug affects newer KDE versions (5.16+). I don't know if a Debian point release is expected to upgrade KDE to a point release (e.g. from 5.14 to 5.16). If it is not, this means we won't get a fix in Debian 10.x (?) |
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| 17:18.14 | jelly | emulated: Debian 10 will NOT get a newer plasma/kde, if it's 5.14 it stays at 5.14 for the lifetime of debian 10 |
| 17:18.23 | trek00 | jelly: it happens also with a correct -dpi setting? |
| 17:18.30 | Abdullah | keep calm and install suckless tools :) |
| 17:18.35 | greycat | I was trying to find any kind of formal statement of what kinds of non-security updates would be allowable in point releases, but I couldn't find one. |
| 17:18.52 | jelly | trek00: I don't have a working debian 10 kde to even try to reproduce right now |
| 17:19.39 | greycat | As an exception to what jelly said, I would note that it's *conceivable* (albeit unlikely) that a newer Plasma version could be uploaded into a point update, if there are serious security issues found in the current version, and the only realistic way to fix them is an update to a newer upstream code base. |
| 17:20.14 | emulated | trek00: I had not tried that yet, I could try right now |
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| 17:20.20 | jelly | Abdullah: konsole has tabs and session management, ie. it can restore terminals and tabs in their rightful workspaces on restart (or re-login). Can suckless terminals do that? |
| 17:20.25 | trek00 | since (too many) years, Xorg is forcing dpi to 96, even if the monitor has different dpi, this to accomodate with web browers at the time, but now the browsers are always setting a bogous dpi without asking to xserver, but the workaround still there |
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| 17:21.25 | jelly | greycat: I would bet Debian dropping KDE support, before doing a bump like that within a release... |
| 17:21.29 | Abdullah | jelly: if restoring terminals is the thing you want, I can do it even without X :) |
| 17:21.43 | Abdullah | There is tmux |
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| 17:21.47 | greycat | jelly: they didn't drop samba or bind 9 |
| 17:22.07 | jelly | Abdullah: note that restoring terminals and keeping screen or tmux sessions is not really the same |
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| 17:22.49 | Abdullah | greycat: my install was interrupted after base system install. is it okay? I have a running sysem though |
| 17:22.50 | jelly | Abdullah: neither screen nor tmux know to go to their correct workplace without konsole's help. I already use multiple named screen sessions. |
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| 17:23.12 | Abdullah | jelly: I'm not a konsole user. |
| 17:23.27 | Abdullah | using urxvtd |
| 17:23.59 | jelly | Abdullah: I'm asking you as a suckless user. |
| 17:24.39 | Abdullah | suckless has st but I don't like it |
| 17:24.53 | jelly | if you go "use Y instead of X" it makes sense to ask "X can do Z, can Y do Z as well?" |
| 17:25.38 | Abdullah | and I never thought to have such functionality you want |
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| 17:26.08 | trek00 | Abdullah: if it boots fine, all you need should be here, however may be you would rerun dpkg-reconfigure on all packages |
| 17:26.28 | jelly | uses Z regularly (well, after every kernel upgrade, power failure, or X crashing... the latter has not happened in a while) |
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| 17:27.32 | jelly | just don't tell my coworkers I still have Ctrl-Alt-Backspace enabled. |
| 17:27.46 | Abdullah | trek00: omg there are now more than 900 packages I have got |
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| 17:28.40 | trek00 | jelly: what you means it restore terminals in their rightful workspaces? it will opens many terminal windows at startup? or it will restore the terminals maintaining its session like with screen? |
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| 17:30.16 | Abdullah | Just came after hibernation. working well. |
| 17:31.23 | Abdullah | network isn't being dropped on suspend? |
| 17:31.34 | Abdullah | wifi. |
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| 17:33.36 | sioux_ | Hi i'm using debian buster, virtualbox 6, and when exec: # dhclient enp0s3, in syslog show NO DHCPOFFERS. The network interace is bridge in Vbox |
| 17:33.44 | trek00 | Abdullah: yes, but if you resume before connections timeout, then none is dropped |
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| 17:34.25 | sioux_ | and i have, update system, install other packages.. and when restart machine happen this |
| 17:34.55 | Abdullah | cool |
| 17:35.07 | Abdullah | even my connection wasn't dropped after hibernation |
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| 17:37.03 | trek00 | sioux_: i don't know virtualbox, may be some configuration was changed? it seems the virtualbox dhcp server is not reachable |
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| 17:37.45 | emulated | The -dpi workaround seems to have fixed the artifacts issue, thanks for the help |
| 17:38.25 | sioux_ | trek00 no, but now back work again |
| 17:38.27 | trek00 | emulated: good to know, kde is another victim of this fixed dpi browser workaround |
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| 17:43.42 | emulated | trek00: Now Firefox's UI font is too tiny, indeed. The year of the Linux desktop is near /s |
| 17:44.56 | cbthree | Has anyone here who owns a Samsung Chromebook 3 (CELES) managed to get its microsd slot working? If you insert a card *before* boot, that card shows up and works kind of ok. If you unmount the card and reinsert it, its not automounted, you have to mount it using the command line. Moreover, if you insert the card *after* you boot it is not recognized and cannot be mounted |
| 17:44.58 | trek00 | emulated: try change system fonts with bigger fonts |
| 17:45.47 | trek00 | emulated: there are two ways to "scale" your desktop: fixed dpi + scalefactor or real dpi + default font size |
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| 17:46.39 | Pucilowski | I just upgraded to stretch but the graphical performance is poor - alt-tabbing between windows has a noticable lag. I called nvidia-detect and it's suggesting I install nvidia-driver. I attempted to install it and got "The following packages have unmet dependencies:" |
| 17:46.41 | Pucilowski | More specificially: |
| 17:46.51 | Pucilowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.11 | Pucilowski | and a whole host of: Depends: nvidia-driver-libs (= 418.74-1) but it is not going to be installed or |
| 17:47.14 | trek00 | Pucilowski: chekc https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 17:47.39 | trek00 | Pucilowski: you need to add non-free to your repositories |
| 17:48.31 | cbthree | i believe i am facing the issue as follows : https://github.com/GalliumOS/galliumos-distro/issues/486 |
| 17:48.54 | Pucilowski | I have non-free for buster, buster-updates and buster/updates |
| 17:49.09 | dvs | trek00, The Nvidia pages doesn't have a Buster section. |
| 17:49.17 | Pucilowski | I think this might be a more general package issue? When I call apt dist-upgrade I get: |
| 17:49.22 | Pucilowski | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 17:49.22 | Pucilowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.36 | Pucilowski | Attempting to install curl gives me: curl : Depends: libcurl4 (= 7.64.0-4) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 17:49.58 | dvs | ,v libcurl4 |
| 17:49.59 | judd | Package: libcurl4 on amd64 -- buster: 7.64.0-4; bullseye: 7.65.3-1; sid: 7.65.3-1 |
| 17:50.05 | trek00 | Pucilowski: yes probably you need to finish the upgrade process before to install nvidia |
| 17:50.42 | Pucilowski | How could I figure out the reasons why this did not happen successfully? |
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| 17:51.30 | dvs | Pucilowski, did you do an "apt update" after changing the sources.list? |
| 17:51.33 | Pucilowski | yes |
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| 17:52.19 | trek00 | Pucilowski: it should tell an error message about the reason |
| 17:52.57 | Pucilowski | well it's just curl that's been held back but perhaps finding out why would be useful |
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| 17:53.00 | Pucilowski | I just don't know how |
| 17:53.04 | mscyber | https://uploadfiles.io/l37w78sy |
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| 17:53.49 | trek00 | Pucilowski: try apt install curl |
| 17:53.49 | dvs | Pucilowski, apt-cache policy curl ? |
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| 17:54.43 | greycat | 13:46 Pucilowski> I just upgraded to stretch |
| 17:54.55 | greycat | 13:48 Pucilowski> I have non-free for buster, buster-updates and buster/updates |
| 17:54.57 | Pucilowski | buster I meant |
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| 17:56.00 | Pucilowski | # apt-cache policy url |
| 17:56.03 | Pucilowski | curl: |
| 17:56.03 | Pucilowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.03 | Pucilowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.03 | Pucilowski | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:56.25 | greycat | mix of stretch and buster |
| 17:56.36 | dvs | !tell Pucilowski about paste |
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| 17:57.50 | Pucilowski | trek00: apt install curl gives me http://paste.debian.net/1096590/ |
| 17:58.00 | Pucilowski | greycat: how can you tell? |
| 17:58.09 | dvs | deb9u9 |
| 17:58.11 | Pucilowski | how do I figure out which packages are stretch |
| 17:58.13 | greycat | 7.52.1-5+deb9u9 is a stretch version, from deb9 |
| 17:58.38 | greycat | buster security updates look like *+deb10u* and so on |
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| 17:58.54 | dvs | Pucilowski, "you have held broken packages." |
| 17:59.19 | trek00 | Pucilowski: try apt install libcurl4 |
| 17:59.38 | greycat | This is very familiar sounding to me. Deja vu-ish. |
| 17:59.54 | greycat | I'm trying to remember what it was last time, and I suspect it was sury.org or something else PHP-ish. |
| 18:00.42 | trek00 | greycat: it remind me nvidia installer requiring curl.. |
| 18:00.57 | greycat | a fair guess |
| 18:02.04 | Pucilowski | cool, curl is now at 7.64.0-4 |
| 18:02.06 | Pucilowski | ,v curl |
| 18:02.08 | judd | Package: curl on amd64 -- jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u11; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u15; stretch: 7.52.1-5+deb9u9; stretch-security: 7.52.1-5+deb9u9; buster: 7.64.0-4; bullseye: 7.65.3-1; sid: 7.65.3-1 |
| 18:02.35 | greycat | curl had *fifteen* security updates during jessie?! wtf. |
| 18:02.45 | Pucilowski | dist-upgrade now no longer reports anything |
| 18:03.11 | Pucilowski | apt install nvidia-driver still complains: http://paste.debian.net/1096593/ |
| 18:03.16 | dvs | ,v libcurl4 |
| 18:03.17 | judd | Package: libcurl4 on amd64 -- buster: 7.64.0-4; bullseye: 7.65.3-1; sid: 7.65.3-1 |
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| 18:04.11 | trek00 | greycat: too many protocols supported |
| 18:04.31 | Pucilowski | how do I dig deeper into why all those dependencies are not installable? |
| 18:04.42 | Pucilowski | I added non-free to all my debian buster sources |
| 18:04.54 | greycat | did you skip contrib? |
| 18:05.00 | Pucilowski | oh damn |
| 18:05.30 | tmm88 | anyone with hands on experience compiling unrealengine in debian? |
| 18:05.49 | Pucilowski | ayyy thanks greycat |
| 18:05.53 | trek00 | tmm88: not, what error messages? |
| 18:06.05 | Pucilowski | and everyone else |
| 18:06.10 | trek00 | :) |
| 18:06.17 | tmm88 | i don't see any error messages |
| 18:06.27 | tmm88 | i downloaded the source from the internet |
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| 18:07.57 | trek00 | tmm88: and..? what is the problem? |
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| 18:08.04 | tmm88 | used chmod -R +x . && sudo ./Setup.sh && sudo ./GenerateProjectFiles.sh && sudo apt-get install cmake && cmake . && make . && make install . |
| 18:08.22 | tmm88 | then i tried to run the program and it does't run |
| 18:08.51 | greycat | and the error is ...? |
| 18:09.10 | tmm88 | i don't see any error |
| 18:09.17 | tmm88 | the editor simply doesn't start |
| 18:09.26 | tmm88 | but it's installed |
| 18:09.32 | greycat | what did you type to run it, and what was the resulting text on the terminal? |
| 18:09.59 | greycat | if you say "I didn't type anything, I clicked a thing with a rodent", then I will advise you to run it from a terminal using a command, instead |
| 18:10.57 | trek00 | tmm88: why to run GenerateProjectFiles.sh as root? did you check this page? https://wiki.unrealengine.com/Building_On_Linux |
| 18:12.33 | trek00 | tmm88: may be you need to debug with gdb |
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| 18:14.12 | greycat | trek00: that's a bit premature. Most likely there is some useful error message that will be revealed when they run it in a terminal instead of clicking something with a clicky thing. |
| 18:15.06 | trek00 | greycat: yes, but it may be common if they wrote it in the wikis.. |
| 18:16.38 | greycat | well, before the step where it says "if womething goes wrong ... use gdb", they have a simple terminal command to execute the thing. We'd ideally like to see the results of *that* before jumping into gdb. |
| 18:17.13 | trek00 | greycat: I agree :) |
| 18:17.37 | cbthree | Has anyone here who owns a Samsung Chromebook 3 (CELES) managed to get its microsd slot working? If you insert a card *before* boot, that card shows up (automounted) and works kind of ok. If you unmount the card and reinsert it, its not automounted, you have to mount it using the command line. Moreover, if you insert the card *after* you boot it is neither recognized nor automounted and - what is even worse - cannot be mounted using the command line |
| 18:17.59 | _Cute_Kitty_ | google it |
| 18:18.28 | cbthree | _Cute_Kitty_, are you talking to me? |
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| 18:19.22 | trek00 | cbthree: is the module loaded if you boot without a card inserted? |
| 18:19.32 | _Cute_Kitty_ | cbthree: yes |
| 18:20.17 | trek00 | anyone with a Ryzen 5 3500U here? |
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| 18:20.45 | cbthree | i believe i am facing the issue as follows : https://github.com/GalliumOS/galliumos-distro/issues/486 |
| 18:21.01 | cbthree | trek00, what module? |
| 18:21.29 | trek00 | or may be anyone with any picasso model? |
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| 18:25.40 | trek00 | cbthree: it seems a bios issue |
| 18:31.11 | Akuw | greycat !!! |
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| 18:31.29 | cryptopsy | i made a symlink to my music dir for mpd, which is on anothe drive |
| 18:31.38 | cryptopsy | ncmcppc isnt updating the list, did i do it wrong? |
| 18:32.09 | trek00 | cryptopsy: try to ls the contents via symlink |
| 18:32.16 | cryptopsy | trek00:? |
| 18:32.26 | cryptopsy | cd to the symlink and ls or what? |
| 18:32.33 | cryptopsy | systemd restarted mpd after making this change |
| 18:32.51 | tmm88 | greycat yes i ran that page and it worked for me |
| 18:33.09 | tmm88 | but i haven't been able to run the editor though |
| 18:33.44 | greycat | and when you try to run the editor, the result is...? |
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| 18:35.10 | tmm88 | i have the icon |
| 18:35.19 | tmm88 | i open the application, but i don't get it runnign |
| 18:35.25 | tmm88 | i am on debian 9 |
| 18:35.32 | greycat | Open a TERMINAL, and run the command that they told you to run. |
| 18:35.32 | tmm88 | with an acer predator helios 300 |
| 18:36.36 | tmm88 | can only run that inside su |
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| 18:36.44 | tmm88 | otherwise it doesn't run |
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| 18:36.56 | tmm88 | but i can see the icon of ue4 listed |
| 18:37.06 | tmm88 | but when i try to run it nothing happens |
| 18:38.00 | trek00 | cryptopsy: cd to symlink is sufficient, if it works but not in mpd, may be systemd can tell something about? |
| 18:38.57 | cryptopsy | ?????????????//// |
| 18:39.33 | trek00 | cryptopsy: some error messages in the logs |
| 18:39.38 | cryptopsy | how? |
| 18:40.21 | Bushmills | cryptopsy: mpd has settings for how to deal with symlinks in its config |
| 18:40.33 | Bushmills | are those set to "follow"? |
| 18:40.36 | cryptopsy | i wrote my config from scratch, what are you talking about exactly? |
| 18:41.11 | trek00 | tmm88: you should open a terminal |
| 18:41.25 | cryptopsy | perhaps something like follow_outside_symlinks "yes" |
| 18:41.27 | cryptopsy | and follow_inside_symlinks "yes" |
| 18:41.34 | Bushmills | those, yes |
| 18:41.51 | cryptopsy | anything else? |
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| 18:42.38 | Bushmills | permissions on music dir need to be such that the user/group mpd runs as can access them |
| 18:43.11 | cryptopsy | ncmpcpp doesnt seem to be reading this new dir |
| 18:44.06 | Bushmills | assuming that ncmpcpp talks to mpd, it's mpd's job to read music, not the mpd client's job. |
| 18:44.32 | tmm88 | https://hastebin.com/ewepuqufow.rb |
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| 18:46.37 | Bushmills | I'd test with a client available with Debian, such as mpc or - if graphical client needed - gmpc or similar. If those can't access music, you know that the problem is probably on mpd side, not on client side |
| 18:47.12 | trek00 | tmm88: you should not run things a root, but anyway why to type make . and not simply make? |
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| 18:47.25 | humpled | you have to update the database after changing contents of music directories |
| 18:47.38 | tmm88 | because i have cmake files listed in my directory |
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| 18:48.08 | tmm88 | and this is what i ran after running ./Setup.sh and ./GenerateProjectFiles.sh |
| 18:48.26 | humpled | this is separate to restarting the daemon after changing the config, which usually doesn't cause a database restart, as that would delay every time mpd starts |
| 18:48.35 | tmm88 | but i think i can get it running |
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| 18:48.49 | trek00 | tmm88: what output if you run this? ./Engine/Binaries/Linux/UE4Editor |
| 18:52.06 | cybercrypto | hi all, please point me to the rigth contact: In the debian home page, there is this logo "universal operating system" I would like to know what is the font type used in that art. |
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| 18:52.51 | cbthree | trek00, the bios does not seem the culprit. "I can't imagine it is" are the words uttered today by the "bios" firmware developer himself |
| 18:53.57 | trek00 | cbthree: probably i misunderstood the bug you linked |
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| 19:02.26 | Guest75 | hello, i have 2 networks and a router in between. I want to replace router with new besides old one. But when i change in my computer default gateway to new router i cant ping other network |
| 19:02.30 | cbthree | trek00, can anyone point me to any debian 10 documentation/tutorial/howto that deals with my chromebook model? |
| 19:02.40 | cbthree | I have a Samsung Chromebook 3. dmesg says: DMI: GOOGLE Celes/Celes, BIOS MrChromebox-4.9 01/04/2019 |
| 19:03.00 | cbthree | https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/chromebooks/under-12/chromebook-3-11-6---2gb-ram--xe500c13-k05us/?afsrc=1&&CID=AFL-hq-mul-0813-11000341&bvstate=pg:2/ct:r |
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| 19:03.43 | Bushmills | cybercrypto: I'd go for DIN Next Shapes |
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| 19:04.14 | cybercrypto | Bushmills: thanks. Could you please explain what it is? |
| 19:04.40 | Bushmills | That's a name of a font which either is the one used or resembles it. |
| 19:05.17 | trek00 | Bushmills: may be there isa a repository with the website? |
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| 19:06.58 | Bushmills | Ravenna or Aaux Next are also similar candidates |
| 19:07.06 | Moralis | Alright. Last night, I was trying to run a program and getting a QML dependency error asking for a newer version of Kirigami. None of the Debian repos seem to have a newer Kirigami package, so I wound up cloning the github/KDE/kirigami repo (tagged 5.61.0 versus the 5.54 I've got) and built it from source, then added its path to QML2_IMPORT_PATH just to make sure, and it still doesn't work. |
| 19:07.08 | Henrik | good evening |
| 19:07.36 | cybercrypto | Bushmills: ah ok! thats good. let me try, compare and see how it goes... |
| 19:07.45 | cybercrypto | Bushmills: ty. |
| 19:08.21 | Bushmills | (I've used Android "WhatTheFont" app to suggest similar looking fonts) |
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| 19:11.27 | trek00 | Guest75: it seems to be a configuration issue of your router |
| 19:11.37 | Henrik | I have a small problem with my Optimus laptop and Debian/Sid. As Sid comes with gcc9 it is not possible to compile the Nvidia driver. On Debian Bugzilla is a reply that the drivers from experimental. Sadly i can't download them... |
| 19:11.49 | Henrik | apt-get install -t experimental nvidia-driver command doesn work :-( |
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| 19:12.33 | jhutchins_wk | cybercrypto: I believe that's rendered as your desktop or browser's standard sans-serif font (often ariel). |
| 19:12.35 | trek00 | Henrik: you need to add experimental to your sources.list |
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| 19:13.05 | Guest75 | trek00 i configured all the same as previous router |
| 19:13.05 | cbthree | are there any chromebook users here who have installed Debian 10 on their chromebook and are running android apps (F-Droid ones to be precise)??? |
| 19:13.09 | Henrik | ahhhh |
| 19:13.27 | Henrik | i forgot "non-free" flag |
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| 19:13.41 | Henrik | thank you sooo much :-) |
| 19:14.07 | jhutchins_wk | !chromebook |
| 19:14.07 | dpkg | Debian may be installable on some models of Chromebook. Search the wiki: https://deb.li/3SRYU . If your model is not listed here and you succeed, consider adding a DebianOn wiki page for your model. See also: <crouton> |
| 19:14.20 | Bushmills | Guest75: the return route of the pinged system my still go to old router. possibly that one won't now route to the computer where the pings originated from (pulled network plug?) |
| 19:14.39 | trek00 | cybercrypto: it should be quicksand, see https://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/futurePrototype |
| 19:15.21 | jhutchins_wk | cbthree: Chromebook hardware is so random it's pretty difficult to find another user with your model. |
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| 19:16.06 | jhutchins_wk | cbthree: On the other hand, if you're asking about apps they don't much care about the hardware, they deal with the OS. |
| 19:16.06 | Guest75 | Bushmills i only change default route on my PC to new router and now i cant see other network and they cant see me |
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| 19:16.39 | trek00 | Guest75: both networks can reach other networks outside? |
| 19:16.46 | Bushmills | change default route on one of the other computers to new router too, then ping that one again |
| 19:17.18 | Guest75 | i ttested that and it working, but why? |
| 19:17.29 | Bushmills | return route, probably |
| 19:17.40 | Bushmills | ping involves two-way |
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| 19:18.35 | Guest75 | this forces me to swap a routing settings on all PC at once, which i do not prefer |
| 19:18.49 | Bushmills | that's what one uses dhcp for |
| 19:19.03 | trek00 | Guest75: the packets was sent, they reached the destination, but destination was not able to send a reply back to the source |
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| 19:19.35 | trek00 | Guest75: you can configure the old router to route these address to the new router |
| 19:19.59 | Guest75 | can you explain me underground of this? i probably must tcpdump this myself, but i want ready answer to that simple situation |
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| 19:22.18 | Guest75 | i tried to ask that in google, but i always get wrong topics |
| 19:22.24 | Bushmills | replies are not sent back along the same route the request came from. instead, they follow the configured route too - which may be different. |
| 19:22.33 | trek00 | Guest75: you configured the new router to reach the old network, how? |
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| 19:23.11 | trek00 | Guest75: ignore my last phrase |
| 19:23.16 | Bushmills | if one route fails, a request isn't answered, because either the request doesn't reach target, or reply doesn't reach originating system |
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| 19:24.10 | Guest75 | i plugged new router in parallel to old, all the same, settings, ports. Only different new router IPs (new 192.168.1.101 and 192.168.2.101) |
| 19:24.43 | Bushmills | sorry, I can't put it into words any better than I tried already |
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| 19:25.05 | greycat | "ports"? |
| 19:25.19 | greycat | what do "ports" have to do with a router? |
| 19:25.26 | Guest75 | router have 2 ports for each subnet |
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| 19:26.17 | trek00 | Guest75: when you configure a client, you set default gateway; this setting says: send any packet to this router; if the router can reach other networks, it will forward the packet to other networks |
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| 19:26.47 | cbthree | jhutchins_wk, i am using a *very* popular Chromebook model! i can't believe there no debian 10 users that have my model |
| 19:26.54 | greycat | The router also need to enable forwarding for the packets. This would be the one "setting" that really matters. |
| 19:27.20 | trek00 | guest75: so you need to link the new router to the old one |
| 19:27.38 | trek00 | Guest75: if they are on the same network, you may need to setup a bridge |
| 19:28.01 | Bushmills | but he said "want to replace router" |
| 19:28.20 | trek00 | Bushmills: yes but gradually, not instantly |
| 19:28.54 | Guest75 | yes, 192.168.1.1 will be removed. But first i need to be sure new one i working, by testing few computers |
| 19:28.55 | greycat | I'm still trying to figure out what he meant by "ports". If he meant TCP port numbers, like 25 = SMTP, then it makes no sense. If he means "places where cables are plugged in", then if he is literally unplugging cables from one and plugging them into the other, I would expect him to retain the *same* IP address(es) on the new one, so the transfer is smooth. |
| 19:29.05 | Bushmills | doing extra setup for letting them work in parallel, then undoing again when old router is removed? |
| 19:29.35 | Guest75 | greycat i mean places where cables plugged in |
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| 19:30.18 | Bushmills | just drop the new one in, then you can see whether it functions or not. you can still put old one in, in case it doesn't. |
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| 19:30.53 | Bushmills | that also avoids having to change config of old router, thereby rendering it nonfunctional |
| 19:31.43 | Bushmills | currently you don't know whether it functions because it appear to conflict with old router |
| 19:32.04 | Guest75 | how it conflicts exactly? |
| 19:32.16 | Bushmills | you tell me, it's your setup. |
| 19:32.39 | Bushmills | i just guessed what was wrong for not getting replies, and that guess seemed to have been correct |
| 19:32.50 | Bushmills | that doesn't mean that I know your setup better than you do |
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| 19:34.46 | Bushmills | if i were to guess what else conflicts, I'd say "two competing dhcp servers" |
| 19:34.47 | wroathe | I've got buster-slim running in a docker container, and it seems that the slim version doesn't include kernel logging by default. Does anyone know how to get that working? |
| 19:35.15 | wroathe | The kernel seems to be killing my make build with make -j, and I need to figure out why it's doing that |
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| 19:37.02 | greycat | so, just look at dmesg in the real system, outside the container? |
| 19:37.38 | wroathe | Ah, you mean docker exec it |
| 19:37.48 | wroathe | That should work, thanks |
| 19:38.23 | Guest75 | guessing is worse. Setup is simplest. Two separate LANs. One Router between them. He is default gateway for everyone and he forwards packets. I want replace router with new one, but not instantly. I place new one near old and plug cables same, settings - same |
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| 19:39.45 | greycat | (no, that's not what I meant, because I don't even know what "docker exect it" means, but if whatever it means worked for you, great) |
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| 19:42.11 | Guest75 | so, i conclude that my ping goes back over different route and fails? How? |
| 19:42.22 | jhutchins_wk | 4.35% market share. |
| 19:42.42 | mscyber | Guest75 what do you mean? |
| 19:42.44 | Bushmills | Guest75: tcpdump is a tool which helps to figure that out |
| 19:42.50 | trek00 | Guest75: pc1 -> router-new -> pc2 -> router-old -> ? |
| 19:42.55 | Guest75 | yes |
| 19:42.59 | Guest75 | probably.. |
| 19:43.42 | greycat | You're on system A. You type "ping B", where B is an IP address on a different network. A looks up the known routes, and sees if one of them leads to B. If not, it sends the ICMP packets through the default route. B (hopefully) receives the ICMP packet. The header says "with love from A". It sends a response packet to A. It looks up routing table, etc. Exactly the same way A did. |
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| 19:44.23 | trek00 | Guest75: if pc1 has router-new as default gw and pc2 has router-old as default gw, you need to change default gw on pc2 or to configure router-old to reach pc1 |
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| 19:44.41 | Guest75 | greycat if you right, then ping must return to me |
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| 19:44.52 | trek00 | Guest75: may be that router-new can't reach pc2 too |
| 19:44.53 | greycat | Does B know how to reach A? |
| 19:44.58 | mscyber | greycat thats correct |
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| 19:45.13 | mscyber | no |
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| 19:46.17 | Guest75 | i have to mention: both routers plugged physically to both networks and have IPs in each network, so they have dynamic routes and direct access to all PC |
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| 19:46.47 | greycat | And you turned on IPv4 forwarding? |
| 19:47.05 | Guest75 | yes |
| 19:47.31 | mscyber | Guest75 what routing protocol is your system using? |
| 19:47.42 | trek00 | Guest75: try ping from old network to new network, it says no route to host? |
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| 19:48.35 | mscyber | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Routing_protocol |
| 19:49.00 | Guest75 | ping doesnt say ANYTHING |
| 19:49.36 | greycat | Did you run that test both ways? Sit at A and ping B, and sit at B and ping A? |
| 19:49.41 | mscyber | so it says nothing? |
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| 19:50.02 | Guest75 | wait no, I am not sure about ping answer |
| 19:50.43 | Guest75 | yes, i tried to ping from both sides. Exact same effect |
| 19:50.52 | trek00 | Guest75: iptraf or similar tools can help you understand if packets arrives but not the replies or both |
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| 19:51.25 | Guest75 | thanks, i will be reading your references |
| 19:51.28 | mscyber | also you can try strace |
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| 19:51.54 | trek00 | Guest75: you could even try to setup a manual routing on both networks to see if it's a router problem or client problem |
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| 19:52.49 | Primer | I'm trying to compile a source pacakge with a patch. It seems simply finding info on this process is a pain. Anyone experienced with this? |
| 19:52.58 | greycat | !source |
| 19:52.58 | dpkg | As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; retrieve dependencies with <apt-get build-dep>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package> |
| 19:53.05 | mscyber | Primer man top |
| 19:53.08 | greycat | !package recompile |
| 19:53.08 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) apt update; apt install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; apt build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, apt install ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
| 19:53.55 | Primer | greycat: And I can replace the diff file that makes with my patch? |
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| 19:54.20 | Primer | well, not my patch, but the patch. This is where I'm a bit confused. That and surely some checksum that'll happen on the diff |
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| 19:54.35 | trek00 | guset75: route add -net 192.168.1.0/24 gw 192.168.2.101 |
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| 19:55.00 | greycat | Primer: no, you wouldn't want to *replace* all the Debian patches with your patch. If anything you might ADD yours to the list. Or just apply it by hand. |
| 19:55.44 | greycat | The simplest way is just to apply the patch by hand, run dch to update the changelog with your changes, and proceed from there. The trickiest part is giving it the correct version string. |
| 19:56.42 | Primer | yeah, this is the gist I've gotten so far, but adding the new patch is where I'm stuck. I mean, I can apply it, presumably to xorg-server-1.24 dir in the dir created by apt-get source xorg-source |
| 19:56.56 | trek00 | it's (((x) >> 31) & 0x1) |
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| 20:01.26 | henrik | hello. excuse me that i have to disturb the channel again. i installed the new nvidia 430 driver but i can't load them |
| 20:01.29 | henrik | root@debian:/home/henrik# modprobe nvidia |
| 20:01.31 | henrik | modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia_current': Operation not permitted |
| 20:01.33 | henrik | modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:979 command_do() Error running install command for nvidia |
| 20:01.35 | henrik | modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia': Operation not permitted |
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| 20:03.01 | trek00 | !tell henrik about paste |
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| 20:03.22 | greycat | might have to wait until he comes back |
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| 20:03.56 | tpanarch1st | hi, is it possible to undo a command please? |
| 20:04.08 | tpanarch1st | might sound like wishful thinking! |
| 20:04.16 | trek00 | tpanarch1st: what command? |
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| 20:04.19 | greycat | that depends entirely on the command |
| 20:04.27 | jolt | @tpanarch1st: And that's how you get interested in backups! |
| 20:04.48 | tpanarch1st | i appreciate that there will be some comments about backups but i honest to God did not expect what happened to have happened |
| 20:05.02 | Bushmills | tpanarch1st: as long as you haven't pressed "enter", you can use backspace |
| 20:05.02 | tpanarch1st | i removed lib-curl4 to reinstall it and it took a hell of a lot of other stuff out it would seem |
| 20:05.04 | jolt | tpanarch1st: You might have to tell us what you did first. |
| 20:05.14 | tpanarch1st | i'll just show you the bash |
| 20:05.16 | tpanarch1st | as to what happened |
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| 20:05.26 | tpanarch1st | https://pastebin.com/XAj5ngRX |
| 20:05.36 | greycat | If you want to reinstall a package, next time, just do "apt-get --reinstall install libcurl4". |
| 20:05.46 | tpanarch1st | oh Lord that would have been good to know! |
| 20:05.56 | greycat | If you think you need to purge it first, do "dpkg --purge --force-depends libcurl4" and then proceed as above. |
| 20:05.58 | tpanarch1st | i have about 20 or more installs on this web server |
| 20:06.10 | tpanarch1st | if you see that link above, you will see the problem i had :) |
| 20:06.25 | tpanarch1st | this is the problem when people ask "did you read google!" |
| 20:06.34 | tpanarch1st | cos you try the stuff there and you end up in even more trouble! |
| 20:06.51 | greycat | Google contains the collected stupidity of humanity. |
| 20:07.07 | Bushmills | strange, apt should prompt for confirmation before removing stuff |
| 20:07.10 | greycat | And also some of the brilliance. The problem is, humans produce far more of the former than the latter. |
| 20:07.17 | tpanarch1st | Bushmills: was doing it as root |
| 20:07.19 | BlackSalmon | Where is the difference between `apt-get install` and `apt install`? |
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| 20:07.31 | tpanarch1st | i don't believe you can do apt install BlackSalmon |
| 20:07.37 | greycat | tpanarch1st: of course you can. |
| 20:07.38 | Bushmills | it should still prompt - and you can't remove stuff as user, you have to be root |
| 20:07.38 | annadane | of course you can |
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| 20:07.55 | tpanarch1st | oh i thought you *had** to use get |
| 20:08.05 | tpanarch1st | learned something new there |
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| 20:08.30 | trek00 | BlackSalmon: no |
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| 20:08.47 | Bushmills | maybe there was the windows reflex breaking though: "acknowledge all nagging prompts by pressing Enter". |
| 20:08.59 | trek00 | tpanarch1st: it seems you have not finished the upgrade process |
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| 20:09.15 | henrik | http://paste.debian.net/1096611/ seems i got banned because i used more than one line. didnt know that |
| 20:09.43 | trek00 | tpanarch1st: sorry ignore my last sentence, i should go to sleep :) |
| 20:09.45 | tpanarch1st | trek00: i wouldn't have thought so, it removed a lot of stuff if you see in bash and then the whole web server is inaccessible |
| 20:09.51 | Bushmills | henrik: you'd not be here if you were banned |
| 20:10.02 | greycat | dpkg, apt vs. apt-get is <reply>apt is promoted over apt-get for interactive use. It uses fancy colors and has output format differences. It removes the .deb files that it downloads during an install or upgrade. It installs new packages during upgrades. apt-get has a stable command-line interface and is promoted for scripting. |
| 20:10.03 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 20:10.29 | Bushmills | tpanarch1st: you can install the removed packages again |
| 20:10.30 | trek00 | tpanarch1st: you can reinstall those packages |
| 20:11.05 | tpanarch1st | hehe what are you two like :-p |
| 20:11.12 | tpanarch1st | i think you are mind readers :-D |
| 20:11.18 | Bushmills | but you can't really "undo" the effect automatically |
| 20:11.20 | trek00 | henrik: do you have secure boot enabled? signed kernel installed? |
| 20:11.37 | tpanarch1st | could they contain user specific settings that are now permanently lost Bushmills trek00 |
| 20:12.01 | trek00 | tpanarch1st: it should not, you have not purged them |
| 20:12.08 | Bushmills | get those from backup easily |
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| 20:12.48 | greycat | User-specific settings are not purged anyway. Only system-wide settings can be purged. |
| 20:12.58 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:17.33 | tpanarch1st | trek00: that's positive :) |
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| 20:19.22 | henrik | trek00: damn, you are an expert :) I just disabled secure boot and modules got loaded. Now i only need to find out how to install the i386 vulkan things. |
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| 20:27.21 | trek00 | henrik: may be nvidia-vulkan-icd? (not sure) |
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| 20:33.32 | Primer | greycat: The patch file I'm referring to is named xorg-server_1.20.4-1ubuntu3ppa3.diff.gz. It seems this is just 'ubuntu3ppa3' off from xorg-server_1.20.4-1.diff.gz, one of the 3 files the results from apt-get source xorg-server. This is what I mean by replace. |
| 20:33.47 | Primer | that* results |
| 20:34.22 | greycat | So it's not really a patch, the way I would normally use that word. You want to take the ENTIRE set of some Ubuntu package's patches and apply the ALL to the pristine source instead of using the Debian patches. |
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| 20:34.49 | Primer | except this is what I ahve |
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| 20:35.22 | greycat | Given that goal, you might start by taking the upstream source tarball, the Ubuntu .diff.gz file, the Ubuntu .dsc file, and building from those three as if it were a Debian package, just using the foreign inputs. |
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| 20:36.13 | Primer | hehe yes, let's shoot for the goal. I'm OK with that. Wasn't sure if that was acceptable here though. |
| 20:36.25 | greycat | It's abominable, but we can't stop you. It's your computer. |
| 20:36.28 | Primer | I mean, using actual ubuntu dsc files |
| 20:36.41 | Primer | well, I know the *gist* of what this process should do. |
| 20:36.52 | Primer | This diff likely only touches the upstream files |
| 20:37.08 | Primer | And does nothing to add "ubuntuness" to anything |
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| 20:37.57 | greycat | I'm frankly more worried about the "ppa" part. |
| 20:37.58 | Primer | It was my hope to use the Debian process, but this xorg-server_1.20.4-1ubuntu3pp3.diff.gz instead. Guess I'll take a look at what it modifies to confirm this ubuntuness I speak of |
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| 20:38.28 | greycat | Yes, that is what you will do. Use the Debian process, but with the Ubuntu+PPA input files. |
| 20:39.00 | greycat | You want the .dsc file as well as the .diff.gz. |
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| 20:39.50 | Primer | but let's say these patches are git commits |
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| 20:40.00 | Primer | against the git repo I see in apt-get source's output |
| 20:40.13 | greycat | Let's not. Let's say you have a .dsc file from this ubuntu source repository, and you use it and be happy. |
| 20:41.04 | Primer | https://launchpad.net/~aplattner/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages |
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| 20:41.57 | Primer | I suppose I should post the source of the patches I'm referring to. That's actually the ppa. The patches are listed there...somewhere |
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| 20:42.29 | greycat | You keep moving the goalposts, and I'm very rapidly losing patience and interest. |
| 20:42.45 | Primer | I'm looking for said .dsc file... |
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| 20:44.01 | greycat | On the page you gave <https://launchpad.net/~aplattner/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages> you just click "xorg-server - 2:1.20...." and it expands, and then ctrl-F dsc, and voila. |
| 20:44.02 | Primer | The only file I had was the diff.gz, which the develoeper linked to me directly |
| 20:44.31 | greycat | it's right under the .diff.gz file |
| 20:45.02 | Primer | yes, I have both now |
| 20:45.21 | greycat | !dsc |
| 20:45.21 | dpkg | Debian source control file (.dsc) is part of a <source package>. This file is a control file used by dget to fetch package sources and dpkg-source to extract them. See http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html or ask me about <source package> <diff.gz> <package recompile> <policy>. |
| 20:45.49 | greycat | when all three files are in the same place, you just do dpkg-source -x foobar.dsc |
| 20:46.01 | fr33domlover | o/ after installation I run programs and they fail with "unknown locale en_IL" |
| 20:46.13 | fr33domlover | Which is the locale I selected during installation |
| 20:46.24 | fr33domlover | I tried dpkg-reconfigure locales, didn't help |
| 20:46.32 | fr33domlover | Also apt-install locales |
| 20:46.33 | Primer | greycat: thanks for the hand holding :) |
| 20:46.35 | greycat | if it only shows warnings DURING the run of dpkg or apt, ignore them. |
| 20:46.42 | fr33domlover | *apt install |
| 20:47.04 | ZaZaGX | shoot |
| 20:47.10 | ZaZaGX | my gparted frooze. how do i kill it? |
| 20:47.16 | greycat | also, your locale shouldn't just be "en_IL". It should be something like "en_IL.utf8" |
| 20:47.20 | ZaZaGX | i can't find the pid |
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| 20:48.27 | Bushmills | ZaZaGX: pkill |
| 20:49.20 | ZaZaGX | i did top |
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| 20:51.12 | Bushmills | as if I'd care :) |
| 20:51.42 | greycat | pgrep, ps -ef | grep |
| 20:51.50 | greycat | ps auxw | grep, if you swing that way |
| 20:52.04 | Bushmills | he's gone already |
| 20:52.14 | Primer | greycat: building now. Thanks again. |
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| 20:53.55 | ZaZaGX | that was annoying |
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| 20:56.55 | greycat | ZaZaGX: don't use top to look for processes, especially ones that are frozen or sleeping. Use pgrep, or ps -ef | grep, ps auxw | grep |
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| 21:02.40 | lovetruth | hello :) |
| 21:03.09 | lovetruth | which Debian would you recommend for Zyxel NAS542 hardware?... |
| 21:03.19 | lovetruth | http://naschart.com/compare/zyxel-nas540-nas540-151,zyxel-nas542-nas542-149 -> here are the specs |
| 21:03.41 | lovetruth | https://l.unchti.me/2016/02/12/debian-nas540.html recommends jessie, but that post is old... |
| 21:04.06 | ratrace | why not the latest stable release |
| 21:05.03 | ratrace | and btw there's a debian based NAS thingy.... OpenMediaVault |
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| 21:05.20 | lovetruth | ah! :) ratrace, thanks! :) |
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| 21:14.55 | lovetruth | just checked OpenMediaVault - very cool, thanks! :) |
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| 21:51.08 | CrystalMath | how do i query the version of a package in wheezy? |
| 21:51.17 | CrystalMath | i don't want to install it, just remember what it is, for regression testing purposes |
| 21:51.21 | CrystalMath | ,versions qemu |
| 21:51.23 | judd | Package: qemu on amd64 -- jessie: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie-security: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u11; stretch: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u5; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u7; stretch-security: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u7; buster: 1:3.1+dfsg-8~deb10u1; bullseye: 1:3.1+dfsg-8; sid: 1:3.1+dfsg-8 |
| 21:51.32 | CrystalMath | it's not showing wheezy :( |
| 21:51.50 | dvs | CrystalMath, apt-cache show <package-name> ? |
| 21:52.00 | CrystalMath | i don't have wheezy installed |
| 21:52.06 | CrystalMath | so i don't see how that will help |
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| 21:56.32 | EdePopede | CrystalMath http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/ |
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| 21:58.25 | EdePopede | ah, wrong subtree again :/ http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qemu/ |
| 21:59.10 | CrystalMath | yes i found it in Packages.gz |
| 21:59.12 | CrystalMath | 1.1.2 |
| 21:59.17 | CrystalMath | thank you |
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| 22:06.36 | HelloShitty | Hello |
| 22:06.48 | HelloShitty | Can gpg encript files using aes-256-xts ? |
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| 22:08.02 | tpanarch1st | hello you lot - many thanks! |
| 22:08.13 | tpanarch1st | we've got the web server back up but i'm now back at what i was stuck at originally |
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| 22:11.13 | tpanarch1st | how do I check that curl is installed for php 5.6, 7.0, 7.1, 7.2 and 7.3 please |
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| 22:18.41 | SerajewelKS | are there any audio/music players for jack that can sync playback to the jack transport? |
| 22:20.45 | martigan | exit |
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| 22:22.09 | SerajewelKS | jack_play comes close but when i stop the transport and seek back to 00:00 and press play, i get a short amount of audio from the last position before it starts playing at 00:00 again |
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| 22:22.45 | fulgor | hello from EUROPE |
| 22:23.34 | Mathisen | waves from scandinavia |
| 22:25.08 | dvs | buys euros |
| 22:26.38 | rant | anyone know how I can rather simply termporarily play audio to two outputs simultaneously with pulseaudio? |
| 22:27.43 | tpanarch1st | ah so this is where ive got to https://pastebin.com/GHv6wgCr some sort of problem with it |
| 22:28.13 | SerajewelKS | rant: IIRC you'd have to create a virtual playback device that combines the two outputs |
| 22:28.32 | SerajewelKS | rant: look into module-combine-sink |
| 22:28.51 | rant | I just installed paprefs it seems to have a checkbox to create a virtual sink for simultaneous output |
| 22:29.47 | Bushmills | tpanarch1st: dpkg -l curl |
| 22:30.15 | Bushmills | it's not installed specifically for any php version - it's either installed or it isn't |
| 22:30.16 | tpanarch1st | Bushmills: i'm using apt does that matter at all :) |
| 22:30.23 | SerajewelKS | rant: jack is a lot more flexible so you can always run pulse on top of jack and then you can patch whatever to whatever in jack, no need for virtual output devices. you just have one source patched to two sinks. |
| 22:30.35 | rant | hmm that didnt work.. :D |
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| 22:31.09 | Bushmills | tpanarch1st: as you wish, you're free to ignore my suggestion and use whatever solution suits you |
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| 22:31.58 | tpanarch1st | oh sorry Bushmills please don't read into that |
| 22:32.09 | tpanarch1st | i'm simply asking if it makes any difference :) If it doesn't that's cool! |
| 22:32.50 | rant | ah ok, I had to kill pulseaudio and let it restart after adding the sink |
| 22:32.55 | SerajewelKS | rant: i think pulse's approach is to avoid resampling when necessary; pulse can drive multiple outputs using each output's clock independently, where jack uses one hardware device as the master clock and resamples for the other devices. so since everything in jack uses the same clock, you can patch whatever to whatever. |
| 22:33.03 | rant | now its playing out of the laptop and the bluetooth |
| 22:33.18 | tpanarch1st | Bushmills: will it hurt doing it with dpkg when it was most likely installed with apt |
| 22:33.28 | SerajewelKS | rant: so for pulse to patch one source to two sinks, it has to add a resampling step to synchronize the clocks for the two outputs. the merge sink is where that happens. |
| 22:33.39 | Bushmills | "how do I check that curl is installed" -> dpkg -l ... independent of whether you use aptitude, apt-get, apt, synaptic or whatever package installer frontend |
| 22:33.39 | rant | normally in an enclosed space my bluetooth speaker is plenty.. but out here in the open some extra speakers doesn't hurt |
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| 22:34.30 | SerajewelKS | rant: it's particularly fun to export one pulse sink over the network and merge local and remote interfaces, then you have precisely synchronized playback on multiple computers :) of course on wifi it's finicky but works pretty well on wired. |
| 22:35.05 | SerajewelKS | i actually killed a crap modem/wifi/ethernet unit doing that, the switch logic chip was cheap and overheated when i tried pulse over a network |
| 22:35.45 | rant | these laptop speakers arent much but it makes a difference having their extra tweeter sound coming out from a different location than the JBL Charge 4 |
| 22:36.20 | rant | there does seem to be a delay though |
| 22:36.28 | tpanarch1st | Bushmills: https://pastebin.com/yU1SpBtv |
| 22:36.41 | f8e3_ | what is the debian.org to share code simlar to fiddle |
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| 22:37.00 | rant | SerajewelKS: any idea what util I'd need to try jack? and would I just use the PA jack sink or stop pa altogether? |
| 22:37.00 | f8e3_ | pastebin but hosted by debian |
| 22:37.05 | Bushmills | tpanarch1st: now read the output. especially what the leading "i" means. |
| 22:37.32 | tpanarch1st | Bushmills: sorry to cause any offence :) |
| 22:39.21 | Bushmills | no offence taken. that was just a "as you wish" reflex. |
| 22:39.29 | tpanarch1st | ah fairs! |
| 22:39.47 | tpanarch1st | Bushmills: i've had a look at this i don't follow :) |
| 22:39.54 | tpanarch1st | I* |
| 22:40.35 | Bushmills | look at the line above, which gives the legend for first column. |
| 22:40.45 | Bushmills | ("| Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend") |
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| 22:42.06 | tpanarch1st | oh crikey - im not sure how to follow this Bushmills |
| 22:42.08 | rant | hell with it, the delay isn't that bad.. its almost like a slight reverb |
| 22:42.15 | tpanarch1st | i get the idea its supposed to be a header |
| 22:43.16 | Bushmills | hint: capital letter says what state that letter in first column of package stands for |
| 22:44.52 | tpanarch1st | Bushmills: so status is err? |
| 22:45.41 | Bushmills | you may have seen that there's an "i" in first column? |
| 22:45.58 | Bushmills | "i" is lowercast "I" |
| 22:46.11 | tpanarch1st | ii and then curl |
| 22:46.56 | Bushmills | now how many "I" characters are in "Error"? |
| 22:47.12 | mallxs | that tracker-extract drives me nuts ... how do i kill that for ever |
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| 22:47.21 | tpanarch1st | Bushmills: i can't read this :) |
| 22:47.39 | tpanarch1st | not sure if it's my dyslexia or i'm just not understanding |
| 22:48.00 | Bushmills | try dpkg -l on a package you haven't installed. |
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| 23:18.29 | roninwiz | g'night all |
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| 23:34.22 | swift110 | sup |
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| 23:35.41 | SerajewelKS | rant: you would run pulse on jack using the jack sink, yes. you can create multiple such sinks to create multiple distinct audio streams in jack. |
| 23:36.02 | tpanarch1st | Bushmills: sorry i'm totally lost! |
| 23:36.06 | SerajewelKS | rant: i use this setup with ardour to process my desktop audio |
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| 23:38.57 | ZaZaGX | jack? |
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| 23:40.51 | SerajewelKS | ,v jackd |
| 23:40.53 | judd | Package: jackd on amd64 -- jessie: 5; stretch: 5; bullseye: 5+nmu1; buster: 5+nmu1; sid: 5+nmu1 |
| 23:41.03 | tpanarch1st | hey bushmills was kind enough to try and explain this to me before but i can't for the life of me understand how to read it - https://pastebin.com/yU1SpBtv |
| 23:41.03 | SerajewelKS | ZaZaGX: ^ |
| 23:42.06 | ZaZaGX | sounds like an energy drink |
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| 23:45.57 | inter-link | I just created a new user (had to manually create the /home/user directory) but they can't use ls.. is there a special way to set up a user account? |
| 23:46.04 | themill | tpanarch1st: first column is "Desired" which is i for Installed. second column is "Status" which is i for Installed. third column is Error which is blank for none. |
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| 23:49.34 | tpanarch1st | themill: yeah i just cant read that but OK so there is an error essentially |
| 23:50.29 | themill | um, no? |
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| 23:51.42 | tpanarch1st | oh so there isn't? |
| 23:52.20 | themill | What's in the 3rd column? |
| 23:53.31 | tpanarch1st | themill: ive just exited it now! |
| 23:53.41 | tpanarch1st | the original issue is https://pastebin.com/ba9hZpLZ |
| 23:54.37 | themill | tpanarch1st: which release of Debian is this? |
| 23:54.55 | tpanarch1st | 10 |
| 23:55.04 | themill | php7.1-curl is nowhere in buster. |
| 23:55.15 | tpanarch1st | indeed it's not i use sury.org's repo |
| 23:55.44 | themill | I take it that you're not using the packages intended for buster? |
| 23:56.09 | tpanarch1st | i started off on 9 and essentially tried to keep everything up to date |
| 23:56.20 | themill | except php, it seems |
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| 23:56.32 | tpanarch1st | but if buster isn't providing 7.1 curl, i don't see as i have much choice :) |
| 23:57.07 | Mathisen | ,v curl |
| 23:57.08 | judd | Package: curl on amd64 -- jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u11; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u15; stretch: 7.52.1-5+deb9u9; stretch-security: 7.52.1-5+deb9u9; buster: 7.64.0-4; bullseye: 7.65.3-1; sid: 7.65.3-1 |
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| 23:57.29 | tpanarch1st | yes but is that the version for 7.1? |
| 23:57.33 | tpanarch1st | php 7.1* |
| 23:58.14 | Mathisen | ,v php-curl |
| 23:58.15 | judd | Package: php-curl on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; bullseye: 2:7.3+69; buster: 2:7.3+69; sid: 2:7.3+69 |
| 23:59.28 | themill | tpanarch1st: taking a step back, is there a reason you're wanting php 7.1? |
