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| 00:06.48 | SerajewelKS | is there a way to revert an LVM logical volume back to the state of an existing snapshots (e.g. move all of the COW'd blocks from the snapshot back into the parent volume)? |
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| 00:07.03 | SerajewelKS | lvconvert --merge looks promising but this talks about "split snapshots" which AIUI isn't what i'm talking about |
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| 00:11.35 | jmcnaught | SerajewelKS: --merge is how I've always done it. |
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| 00:22.15 | bazzle__ | Hey guys how do I get hibernation to work? |
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| 00:25.01 | jmcnaught | What have you tried? What happened instead? |
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| 00:32.34 | annadane | dig a hole, bring some nuts, sleep for the winter |
| 00:33.14 | uRock | ^^^works for me |
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| 00:34.02 | uRock | maybe add in some wine or mead for nutrition and warmth. |
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| 00:50.29 | SerajewelKS | jmcnaught: gotcha thanks |
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| 00:56.10 | SerajewelKS | i'm asking because on my home server i have 10% free VG space for snapshots (i use them for nightly backups) and am considering taking a snapshot before upgrading so if things go sideways i can just revert to the snapshot to try again |
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| 00:57.05 | SerajewelKS | so now i need to figure out what services to mask while i upgrade |
| 01:03.02 | jimm | hi, update on the missing gpt partition table: gdisk found the correct partition table, but it says the mbr is corrupt... what's the best approach? |
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| 01:14.18 | kreyren | How do i nuke libsystemd0 from my system? http://ix.io/1PEX |
| 01:14.21 | kreyren | it's causing issues |
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| 01:17.17 | jmcnaught | !bat |
| 01:17.17 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 01:17.32 | kreyren | http://ix.io/1PEX |
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| 01:17.58 | kreyren | http://ix.io/1PF3 |
| 01:18.01 | jmcnaught | What issues is libsystemd0 causing? Is it not enough to have something else as init, do you really need to get all of systemd off your system? |
| 01:18.18 | kreyren | yep since this franken debian is running openrc |
| 01:18.42 | jmcnaught | By frankendebian you mean a mix of distros or releases? |
| 01:18.52 | kreyren | currently releases |
| 01:18.52 | jmcnaught | Or do you think that openrc makes it a frankendebian? |
| 01:19.03 | kreyren | i have 430 nvidia drivers from experimental |
| 01:19.08 | kreyren | on bullseye |
| 01:19.14 | jmcnaught | !debian-next |
| 01:19.14 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 01:19.19 | Henry151 | hi #debian; I'm having one odd issue since my update to 10 -- when I go to take a screenshot with xfce4-screenshooter, the interface/dialog-box for saving it and such has changed a little, but the issue is, there's a noticeably longer delay between when i run "xfce4-screenshooter" and when that dialog pops up and the capture occurs. It's probably 1.5 seconds or more, where it was almost instantaneous |
| 01:19.19 | kreyren | meh |
| 01:19.25 | Henry151 | previously. Any ideas for how I might improve that? |
| 01:19.48 | jmcnaught | kreyren: only stable is supported in this channel, in #debian-next you'll find other users using testing/sid/experimental |
| 01:20.21 | Henry151 | i'm sorry, i mis-stated that, the delay is not between running the command "xfce4-screenshooter' and seeing the dialog, it's between clicking "OK" on the dialog, and the actual capture occurring |
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| 01:21.31 | Henry151 | oh wait nevermind entirely i just figured it out. Previously, the "delay before capturing" setting would be greyed out if you selected "select a region", but now, it is not, and so, it delays for however many seconds that is set for, even when selecting a region. |
| 01:29.14 | Henry151 | ok maybe i have a real question too! how do i tell timidity not to start automatically when i reboot? |
| 01:29.45 | Henry151 | oh i got that one too i think, systemctl disable timidity, right? :) |
| 01:31.44 | jmcnaught | Yes, and if you find that something is still starting it anyways then you can also 'systemctl mask timidity' which won't allow it to be started even manually. |
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| 01:35.17 | Henry151 | i see |
| 01:36.37 | Henry151 | maybe i could get a little more insight into systemctl... when I do systemctl start/stop/whatever servicename on my laptop, i do it as my primary user account, "henry", and it says "Authenticating as: Henry Romp,,, (henry)" |
| 01:36.55 | Henry151 | when i do it on my server, it requires me to authenticate as root |
| 01:37.10 | Henry151 | where are the settings for that, and what is the "best practice"? |
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| 01:37.28 | jmcnaught | Henry151: are you in the sudo group on both systems? |
| 01:38.13 | Henry151 | ..that's ringing a bell, I think not on the server |
| 01:38.22 | Henry151 | I did "visudo" and added a line "henry ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL" |
| 01:38.51 | Henry151 | but then on the laptop i think i also ran a "adduser henry sudo" to add myself to the sudo group, which i guess is probably the way i was supposed to do it to begin with |
| 01:38.58 | jmcnaught | Henry151: on Debian you can simply add a user to the sudo group and not have to touch sudoers |
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| 01:39.14 | Henry151 | ok, i see |
| 01:39.25 | Henry151 | and if i do that, then that user can do systemctl stuff, right? |
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| 01:41.47 | jmcnaught | Henry151: I normally 'sudo systemctl â¦". When you do it as a regular user it's PolicyKit that authenticates and authorizes you. There's an "action" in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.systemd1.policy for using systemctl to manage services and other units, and it requires auth_admin. |
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| 01:42.14 | jmcnaught | auth_admin in policykit means su or sudo, and I guess it decides which to use based on sudo group membership |
| 01:42.22 | Henry151 | hmm. interesting |
| 01:42.27 | Henry151 | https://bpaste.net/show/cPd6 |
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| 01:42.39 | Henry151 | the behavior here was a little odd, almost inconsistent it looks like |
| 01:43.16 | Henry151 | but i'll just go ahead and use sudo systemctl ... from now on, and remove my line in the sudoers conf and just add myself to the sudo group |
| 01:43.24 | Henry151 | to have things all tidy and proper |
| 01:43.47 | jmcnaught | Henry151: you don't need sudo/root to use read-only systemctl commands that don't change anything, like status and list-units for example |
| 01:44.28 | jmcnaught | but 'status' won't show you that service's journal entries unless you're in the systemd-journal group (or root) |
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| 01:44.50 | Henry151 | i see.. in the past, i seemed to be able to do all my usual systemctl commands as user "henry" without sudo (like starting and stopping openvpn, for example, by far my most frequent usage of systemctl) |
| 01:45.23 | Henry151 | but i had forgotten that i had added myself to the sudo group |
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| 01:45.58 | Henry151 | does it automatically do the sudo for me if i'm in the sudo group, and i try to do a systemctl command that requires sudo? when it says "authenticate as henry" is that basically like, giving it my password so it can run sudo? |
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| 01:47.00 | jmcnaught | Doing it that way is probably less tested which could be why you encountered that bug in your paste of being unable to disable timidity because it was an LSB initscript |
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| 01:48.05 | Henry151 | i see.. so it is sorta "running sudo for me" if i don't explicitly say sudo systemctl but it requires sudo; but that isn't as well tested and so may have more buggy behavior |
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| 01:51.03 | jmcnaught | It's probably not really running sudo for you, it's just getting you to authenticate as your user and not as root because you are a member of the sudo group, but it would be a policykit agent and its backend that are facilitating the privilege escalation |
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| 01:57.51 | kreyren | need help https://pastebin.com/raw/dzzke7Um none on debian-next seems to be able to help atm |
| 01:58.10 | kreyren | jmcnaught, blaming you for sending me to that cursed land |
| 01:59.24 | jmcnaught | kreyren: I'm also in #debian-next and can see that you did not ask anything there. |
| 02:00.40 | jmcnaught | !systemd paranoia |
| 02:00.41 | dpkg | There is no need to waste your time or ours trying to eliminate the string "systemd" from the output of dpkg -l. Installed libraries that are unused are unused; libsystemd0 takes up a whopping 180kB on disk. Having the "systemd" package installed does not imply booting with systemd (that's the systemd-sysv package). Not all packages with "systemd" in their name are even from the systemd source package (see <systemd-shim>). |
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| 02:06.58 | kreyren | jmcnaught, debian-next on OFTC asked twice thre |
| 02:07.00 | kreyren | *there |
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| 02:09.08 | petn-randall | kreyren: I don't see you asking there. |
| 02:09.38 | kreyren | petn-randall, https://i.imgur.com/yD2ELIk.png |
| 02:09.47 | kreyren | OFTC debian-next.. am i in wrong channel? |
| 02:10.03 | kreyren | note that #debian-next on freenode is invite only |
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| 02:11.18 | petn-randall | Yeah, because that one is closed. The one on OFTC doesn't have your message in there for the last 3 days, and jelly seems to have written the same: |
| 02:11.27 | petn-randall | 16:59 < jelly > kreyren, sorry, I don't see your question here in the last 48 hours, I might be missing some logs |
| 02:11.41 | petn-randall | So it seems as though something broke on your side. |
| 02:12.23 | kreyren | petn-randall, https://i.imgur.com/HuKpsWP.png |
| 02:12.35 | kreyren | doubt that it's on my side i'm identified and it works everywhere else |
| 02:13.23 | petn-randall | When was that? |
| 02:13.27 | kreyren | just now |
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| 02:13.50 | kreyren | pinged you on #debian-next |
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| 02:15.10 | kreyren | petn-randall, https://i.imgur.com/L6KGf4r.png |
| 02:16.07 | petn-randall | kreyren: I don't see you pinging me, and I can ping the bot. |
| 02:16.26 | kreyren | wtf then.. am i muted or something |
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| 02:16.39 | petn-randall | So either you're muted, in which case your IRC client should tell you, or you're on the wrong network. |
| 02:16.41 | kreyren | i can't ping dkpg |
| 02:16.48 | jmcnaught | kreyren: are you registered on OFTC? |
| 02:16.54 | kreyren | yes i'm registered |
| 02:17.04 | kreyren | and it doesnt output anything about me beeing muted and i can see your messages |
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| 02:32.29 | rant | I can see you talking in there |
| 02:32.48 | rant | and so can dpkg, it responded |
| 02:33.30 | petn-randall | rant: kreyren fixed it already, they weren't identified with OFTC. |
| 02:34.10 | rant | yeah, I just noticed that was ~20 min ago.. my eyes are still adjusting to the light :P |
| 02:34.24 | rant | I was out looking at rather bright LED lights |
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| 02:42.03 | exedore6 | Looking for a bit of direction - is there anywhere that lays out 1. What parts of systemd debian uses with a minimal install, 2. How the parts fit together by default (The above install has both SysV style scripts floating arount for example) but it also applies to networkd v NetworkManager v ifupdown, cron vs timers, fstab vs mounts. Not looking for an editorial on systemd, just trying to get my head around |
| 02:42.05 | exedore6 | what's considered 'ideal' for Debian in 2019. Really looking for someone to point to the appropriate mailing list, howto, doc where I could find this sort of answer. |
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| 02:43.34 | exedore6 | I buy into the 'there's more than one way to do it' mindset, but even on a minimal install, there seems to be a lot of overlap. I'm trying to get an idea of what's considered 'not ready', and what's 'legacy' |
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| 02:48.27 | petn-randall | exedore6: ifupdown is the legacy, the newer replacement is network-manager. systemd will use unit files for services, and if they don't exist, fall back to using the init scripts. So this is transparent to you as a user. |
| 02:48.37 | themill | exedore6: there are some things that don't have units or timers and so use init scripts or cron jobs |
| 02:48.52 | petn-randall | I still use /etc/fstab, which to my knowledge generates the *.mount units. |
| 02:49.38 | jmcnaught | the systemd.mount man page actually says that /etc/fstab is preferred |
| 02:49.39 | exedore6 | petn-randall: Does it? That's suprising. I wonder what triggers it. |
| 02:50.00 | themill | there are generators in place that translate things like /etc/fstab into actions |
| 02:50.06 | petn-randall | this ^ |
| 02:50.17 | exedore6 | petn-randall: I thought ifupdown was better suited for servers, and network-manager roams better. |
| 02:50.47 | exedore6 | themill: Using inotify, or does the unit read fstab as part of its startup? |
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| 02:51.00 | petn-randall | Sure, it's a matter of taste, though. Sysadmin tend to use well-tested, old things, which ifupdown is. |
| 02:51.05 | petn-randall | *Sysadmins |
| 02:51.19 | petn-randall | Speaking of, Happy Sysadmin Day! (It's still Friday here) |
| 02:52.39 | exedore6 | petn-randall: Which will bite you in the ass if you like to manually edit your /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 02:53.51 | themill | If you've configured your network to use dhcp, then you (almost always) should be using the dns info the dhcp server is providing |
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| 02:56.01 | exedore6 | So here's an example - I'm setting up a weird network protocol - if I use ifupdown, it'll be a ton of scripting do plug into pre-up post-up pre-down and post-down. |
| 02:56.19 | exedore6 | It's also not supported directly elsewhere. |
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| 02:58.10 | exedore6 | What's the recommended method from a packaging standpoint? Is spending time with ifupdown a waste, al things equal? |
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| 02:59.11 | exedore6 | Like, being lazy's not an option, I'm going to have to write for my thing. Which path is more useful for the project (or where are such things even discussed?) |
| 02:59.49 | petn-randall | What package are you talking about? |
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| 03:12.18 | exedore6 | petn-randall: Right now, it's batman-adv - I'm building a bunch of mesh nodes - identical hardware that sort of thing. |
| 03:12.30 | exedore6 | petn-randall: But it's just an example. |
| 03:13.15 | exedore6 | petn-randall: Point being, even on a minimal install, there's a lot of overlap for where to put the configuration for stuff. |
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| 04:30.51 | Cyanoxygen | I have one question, when I start a voice chat in Discord while audio playing, the output will glitch endlessly until I pause audio playback |
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| 04:31.29 | Cyanoxygen | Microphone is on back socket of ALC887, audio output is on HDMI |
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| 04:32.34 | Cyanoxygen | No glitch if there's no audio playing while start a voice chat |
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| 05:06.51 | jim | hi... I wonder if someone could tell me what the name of this package from a description... "if pavucontrol shows the output, that probably just means you're missing the ALSA plugin for pulseaudio (that allows it to emulate ALSA for compatibility with other software)" |
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| 05:24.18 | fraktor | I'm running Debian testing, and for some reason my ~/.profile isn't loaded when I log in. I'm using lightdm as my session manager. How can I make my profile be loaded on startup? |
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| 05:27.28 | SerajewelKS | jim: ... why? |
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| 05:58.35 | jim | SerajewelKS, oh, because I'm told it could be the reason I'm not getting output to the headphones even though pavucontrol sees audio when I play a youtube |
| 06:01.02 | annadane | void has a alsa-plugins-pulseaudio package or something and i thought maybe stretch did too but no luck searching through buster |
| 06:01.26 | Cyanoxygen | me too |
| 06:01.36 | annadane | void makes sense because it has minimal versions of everything |
| 06:01.46 | annadane | debian may include more, no idea |
| 06:02.08 | jim | annadane, Cyanoxygen, thanks for taking a look :) |
| 06:05.17 | jim | it looks like apulse is the package name for that |
| 06:05.40 | annadane | right |
| 06:05.51 | jim | installed that |
| 06:05.54 | annadane | yeah i don't know why i didn't think of that |
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| 06:08.13 | Cyanoxygen | oh ye |
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| 06:16.19 | jim | annadane & *, that didn't give me audio however... what I'm looking to do at the moment is get lmms (a daw) to make instrumental sounds |
| 06:16.48 | jim | do I need drivers for hdmi audio? |
| 06:17.19 | Cyanoxygen | have you choose the right output device? |
| 06:17.39 | SerajewelKS | jim: if pavucontrol sees activity then the audio client can communicate with pulseaudio just fine |
| 06:17.48 | SerajewelKS | jim: so the alsa plugin isn't going to help you |
| 06:18.19 | SerajewelKS | the problem lies between pulseaudio and the sound device, not pulseaudio and the other program playing audio |
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| 06:19.42 | SerajewelKS | possible issues: pulseaudio is sending to the wrong device; the device pulseaudio is sending to is muted; the device pulseaudio is sending to is not plugged in (e.g. speakers); the audio driver is defective |
| 06:19.58 | jim | SerajewelKS, right, that's where I'm thinking the issue is as well... this is a fresh install of debian after solving some problems with some partitions and another issue with the partition table |
| 06:20.17 | SerajewelKS | check the playback devices in pavucontrol. if the right device shows activity then start looking at that specific device. |
| 06:20.36 | jim | Cyanoxygen, I do not know... I could do the speaker-test thing |
| 06:20.40 | SerajewelKS | presumably it's sending to an ALSA device. so open an ALSA mixer and see if that device or the PCM channel is muted. |
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| 06:22.36 | jim | it doesn't look like it's muted |
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| 06:23.10 | SerajewelKS | (my audio setup is unconventional: pulse on JACK on ALSA, with ardour mixing the audio at the JACK layer. so each audio stream has no less than six volume settings in its path.) |
| 06:23.20 | SerajewelKS | possibly seven |
| 06:23.46 | jim | it's getting to pulseaudio from the application (example, both youtube videos, and also lmms, show audio activity on the playback devices |
| 06:24.22 | SerajewelKS | the application's own volume control (maybe), the pulseaudio stream volume, the pulseaudio device volume, the ardour trim, the ardour channel fader, the ardour master fader, the ardour monitor fader, the ALSA PCM fader, the ALSA master fader |
| 06:24.44 | SerajewelKS | so nine volume controls |
| 06:24.58 | SerajewelKS | it's not uncommon for one to wind up muted. :) you have fewer but the basic principle is the same. |
| 06:25.13 | SerajewelKS | does pavucontrol show that the audio is being sent to the correct device? |
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| 06:25.51 | SerajewelKS | if you have a sound card with both analog and digital outputs (most seem to think they have digital outputs these days, even if they do not) then the default device might not be the right one |
| 06:26.26 | SerajewelKS | it's very likely that pulse is using the wrong ALSA device |
| 06:26.44 | Cyanoxygen | Choose different output? |
| 06:27.15 | SerajewelKS | jim: pavucontrol will let you switch a playback stream to another device on the fly. try sending it different places and see what happens. |
| 06:27.50 | SerajewelKS | but my guess is that pulse is just using the wrong alsa device, and you need to reconfigure alsa to have the correct default |
| 06:28.14 | SerajewelKS | you might try stopping all audio and terminating pulseaudio, then using some ALSA playback utility from the command line to verify that the default ALSA device even works |
| 06:28.23 | SerajewelKS | i gotta run to bed... good luck, i know audio issues suck |
| 06:30.30 | jim | one quesdtion before |
| 06:31.00 | jim | did you say something about combining alsa, jack and pulse? if so, does it involve cadence? |
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| 06:33.15 | BazookaTooth | cadence is the easy way. just bridge pulse to jack and use jack sinks |
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| 06:37.04 | jim | BazookaTooth, cadence -is- great in just the way you say... but it does not have the proper metadata in the packaging to keep the things that it should depend on |
| 06:38.00 | jim | in other words, I can't trust it |
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| 06:38.36 | petererer | And I just came here because qjackctl is failing on my fresh Buster install :/ |
| 06:39.05 | jim | it should not be any of cadence's business if I do an apt autoremove |
| 06:39.34 | petererer | (jackd runs from the command line, but qjackctl "cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory" |
| 06:39.38 | petererer | -( |
| 06:39.42 | BazookaTooth | dunno about debian but i use cadence and jack on arch with no issues |
| 06:40.41 | jim | there's no dependency system on arch, or is there? |
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| 06:42.09 | BazookaTooth | there is but if you check the wiki entry, you can use either jack or jack2 but you need the proper pulse bridge to go along |
| 06:43.09 | BazookaTooth | getting the devices set how you need them is usually more of a problem than figuring out the dependencies |
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| 06:46.14 | jim | BazookaTooth, ok, so the dep system is something you would need to know and assist... good to know |
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| 06:53.10 | astronavt | maybe stupid question, but the debian wiki is suggesting i switch from iptables to nftables... ok, but it looks like i currently have iptables enabled and running. should i disable it with chkconfig before starting nftables? or something else? |
| 06:53.22 | astronavt | this is in buster |
| 06:54.15 | cosimo_ | astronavt, well if its enabled and running and you are cool with that you just don't have to switch |
| 06:55.26 | astronavt | cosimo_ im still setting up the server, it came from the VPS like this. im not sure if it's running as such? i can type 'iptables -L' and i see some output, a bunch of ACCEPT targets + some stuff docker apparently installed for itself |
| 06:55.55 | cosimo_ | astronavt, are you running buster ? |
| 06:55.58 | astronavt | yes |
| 06:56.51 | cosimo_ | astronavt, i don't have much experince with iptables and it should be running nftables by default as wiki says https://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 06:57.09 | astronavt | i had to install the nftables packages |
| 06:57.15 | astronavt | are those just frontends? |
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| 06:58.15 | cosimo_ | astronavt, nope its about all of the traffic everything |
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| 06:59.07 | cosimo_ | astronavt, thats weird that you had to install packaged hmm |
| 06:59.46 | astronavt | its possible the VPS did something weird |
| 06:59.57 | astronavt | assuming that most people would be familiar with iptables instead, idk |
| 07:00.04 | cosimo_ | astronavt, i believe not can you send me the output of iptables -L with paste.debian.ent |
| 07:00.17 | cosimo_ | paste.debian.net sorry |
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| 07:00.51 | astronavt | http://paste.debian.net/1093270/ cosimo_ |
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| 07:03.01 | cosimo_ | astronavt, can you chech the status of nftables ? systemctl status nftables.service |
| 07:03.15 | StyXman | why do I get -300 for nodejs and can't install it? https://paste.debian.net/1093271/ |
| 07:03.23 | astronavt | cosimo_ inactive (dead) |
| 07:03.31 | astronavt | i literally just apt installed it 10 mins ago |
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| 07:03.50 | astronavt | was mildly surprised it didnt enable itself |
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| 07:04.00 | StyXman | astronavt: I think that's normal for services that are not daemons |
| 07:04.38 | cosimo_ | astronavt, go switch into nftables before you set your rules |
| 07:04.58 | cosimo_ | astronavt, https://wiki.nftables.org/wiki-nftables/index.php/Moving_from_iptables_to_nftables |
| 07:05.03 | astronavt | cosimo_ to drive the point home, i did `apt list --installed | grep tables` a little while ago and only saw 'iptables' and 'libxtables12' |
| 07:05.27 | astronavt | both of which are marked as manually installed, oddly |
| 07:05.50 | astronavt | right now everything is "accept" and i plan to uninstall docker anyway so i'm happy to start fresh |
| 07:06.06 | astronavt | i just am not sure how to properly and safely decommission iptables |
| 07:06.37 | cosimo_ | astronavt, can you just write nft to your terminal |
| 07:06.56 | cosimo_ | astronavt, debian wiki says "Starting with Debian Buster, nf_tables is the default backend when using iptables, by means of the iptables-nft layer (i.e, using iptables syntax with the nf_tables kernel subsystem)" |
| 07:06.57 | astronavt | its installed. nft: no command specified |
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| 07:07.23 | astronavt | i see. so i assume iptables is translating its configuration to the new backend |
| 07:07.28 | cosimo_ | yes |
| 07:07.38 | astronavt | so im gonna just leave it |
| 07:07.50 | cosimo_ | yes thats why its not enabled i assume |
| 07:08.11 | astronavt | that said im happy to learn the latest and greatest. this is a "personal project" server basically |
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| 07:08.32 | astronavt | so i dont mind switching to the nftables syntax and frontend too. but again, removing iptables is the question. do i just apt remove iptables? |
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| 07:09.02 | cosimo_ | everyone should has a personal project server hehe |
| 07:09.15 | StyXman | astronavt: it's just another package, remove it |
| 07:10.11 | cosimo_ | astronavt, check that wiki link above if you want to transfer your ruleset before removing it |
| 07:10.32 | cosimo_ | astronavt, other than that you can just remove it as StyXman said |
| 07:10.35 | astronavt | yeah that is helfpul, thank you |
| 07:10.50 | cosimo_ | no problem :) |
| 07:12.05 | astronavt | is there a list of the debian core packages? |
| 07:12.18 | astronavt | e.g. if i use the expert installer and unselect everything in tasksel |
| 07:12.42 | cosimo_ | astronavt, https://packages.debian.org/stable/ |
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| 07:13.07 | themill | astronavt: «aptitude search ~prequired ~pimportant» but note that is not a system that can even boot |
| 07:13.26 | themill | (and the dependencies must also be satisfied) |
| 07:13.47 | astronavt | i just found that in the wiki, thank you. and yes i intend to include dependencies. and what does the installer add on top of those, just grub? |
| 07:13.55 | astronavt | this is mostly out of curiosity |
| 07:14.23 | themill | and a kernel, and also other packages to match hardware that it sees |
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| 07:15.54 | astronavt | makes sense |
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| 07:21.34 | StyXman | andwering myself: apt-listbugs + automatic install pinned nodejs with prio -3000 because of a bug that doesn't affect me |
| 07:27.48 | astronavt | huh, iptables is one of the packages in ~pimportant |
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| 07:28.38 | astronavt | ah, its required by docker... no wonder |
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| 07:29.10 | no_gravity | Hello! How can I figure out if my machine had a kernel panic this morning? |
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| 07:29.54 | StyXman | no_gravity: I guess the best shot is in dmesg's output |
| 07:30.14 | StyXman | altho if you had a panic, most probably it didn't write anything on disk |
| 07:30.26 | no_gravity | Let's see... |
| 07:30.27 | StyXman | sorry, I meant journalctl |
| 07:30.42 | StyXman | (dmesg will only show messages since reboot) |
| 07:30.46 | no_gravity | journalctl begins after the restart |
| 07:31.33 | StyXman | oh, hmm |
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| 07:32.02 | no_gravity | dmesg too |
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| 07:32.59 | StyXman | no_gravity: use --since, check the manpage for the format |
| 07:34.50 | no_gravity | For journalctl? It only gives me a log beginning from the restart, no matter what date I feed --since. |
| 07:34.57 | StyXman | beh |
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| 07:35.28 | no_gravity | /var/log/syslog starts earlier. |
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| 07:37.59 | alkisg | no_gravity: you can enable persistent journal by creating a directory, but it will only take effect in subsequent boots |
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| 07:38.41 | no_gravity | alkisg: I am looking through /var/log/syslog now. Do you think I will find useful info there? |
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| 07:39.31 | alkisg | no_gravity: usually no, many kernel panics don't log anything to disk. Netconsole frequently helps seeing kernel panics, if you have another pc around available to send the panics to |
| 07:39.54 | alkisg | I think systemd has done something to log them to journalctl, but I'm not sure if it's reached the distros defaults yet |
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| 07:40.25 | no_gravity | I see this right before the machine went bonka: INFO: rcu_sched self-detected stall on CPU |
| 07:40.27 | alkisg | I kept this notes for when I had to use netconsole last time: https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/wiki/netconsole |
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| 07:42.37 | no_gravity | From there on, syslog goes into some kind of loop. Logging the same 100 or so lines forever. |
| 07:42.53 | alkisg | Which cpu? |
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| 07:43.13 | alkisg | (exact model from cat /proc/cpuinfo) |
| 07:43.34 | no_gravity | Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2640 v4 @ 2.40GHz |
| 07:43.55 | no_gravity | But that machine is a VM, so not directly on the metal. |
| 07:44.04 | alkisg | Ah |
| 07:44.36 | alkisg | You could use netconsole to forward panics to the host then |
| 07:44.49 | no_gravity | I don't own the host. |
| 07:45.13 | alkisg | Try enabling persistent journal, it might log more info |
| 07:46.12 | no_gravity | Well, it is not that important. I would just have been curious if I can see what caused last nights crash. |
| 07:46.57 | alkisg | It's a "mkdir" command, it's not important either, it might help in satisfying the curiosity in subsequent crashes :) |
| 07:48.51 | no_gravity | I think the "rcu_sched self-detected stall on CPU" tells me that either the host CPU went bonka or the kernel or a driver is defective. |
| 07:49.24 | no_gravity | Whatever it is, I think it means "Do not use this VM provider in the future". |
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| 08:27.43 | gidna | Hello |
| 08:29.00 | gidna | My wireless adaptor which has always be recognized by simple plugging on other distribution is not activated on debian |
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| 08:30.02 | antto | maybe it requires a non-free driver |
| 08:30.20 | gidna | with lsusb is seen: Bus 001 Device 008: ID 0cf3:9271 Qualcomm Atheros Communications AR9271 802.11n |
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| 08:31.59 | gidna | I've never had to install any driver |
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| 08:34.50 | gidna | the chipset AR9271 should be supported natively by the kernel |
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| 08:38.16 | gidna | BCMM, if debian does not include any non-free software by default, How is it possible that I'm able to play mp4 videos? |
| 08:38.22 | gidna | aren't the codecs non free? |
| 08:38.30 | wuseman | gidna: did you install linux-firmware? |
| 08:38.32 | BCMM | gidna: there are plenty of free software mp4 decoders |
| 08:39.07 | wuseman | nvm, wrong chan |
| 08:39.10 | BCMM | gidna: they might be patent-encumbered in some situations. not sure how that works for debian, honestly (i don't care much because i don't live in a country with software patents) |
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| 08:41.59 | gidna | I get: E: Unable to locate package firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 08:43.03 | Mathisen | gidna, did you update after adding non-free ? |
| 08:44.11 | gidna | Mathisen, update what? |
| 08:44.27 | EoflaOE | sudo apt update |
| 08:45.05 | gidna | All packages are up to date. |
| 08:45.26 | Mathisen | and how did you add non-free to your sources.list or .d |
| 08:45.50 | Bushmills | gidna: apt update doesn't upgrade packages |
| 08:46.28 | gidna | hmm I didn't add non-free |
| 08:46.53 | Mathisen | well you need to, if you want to install that |
| 08:47.30 | gidna | I'd like to add non-free only to install this package and then remove it |
| 08:48.15 | BCMM | gidna: there's not much need for that. it's not like it's going to automatically install non-free replacements for other packages behind your back |
| 08:49.21 | BCMM | gidna: but if you're concerned about other non-free packages, you can do `aptitude search '~i ?section(non-free)'` to see all the non-free packages that are currently installed |
| 08:50.49 | gidna | ok. How do I add the non-free repo? |
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| 08:51.36 | EoflaOE | Edit the sources.list file and add that |
| 08:51.41 | BCMM | !non-free |
| 08:51.41 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. |
| 08:51.47 | BCMM | !non-free sources |
| 08:51.47 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 08:51.58 | BCMM | gidna: sorry, i meant this one ^ |
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| 08:54.23 | gidna | Is ok to add this line: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian non-free |
| 08:54.39 | Mathisen | no |
| 08:54.41 | BCMM | gidna: combine it with an existing line. don't add a new line |
| 08:54.49 | BCMM | gidna: read what the bot said above! |
| 08:56.51 | gidna | where sources.list is located? |
| 08:56.59 | Mathisen | this is mine as an example http://ix.io/1PGR ignore the last 2 lines thats my own |
| 08:57.10 | Mathisen | and im using buster = debian 10 |
| 08:57.39 | BCMM | gidna: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:57.51 | BCMM | gidna: i'm sorry, but have you read what dpkg said? |
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| 08:58.45 | gidna | so in both these lines: deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ buster main and deb-src http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ buster main |
| 08:58.58 | gidna | I add non-free after main? |
| 08:59.22 | Mathisen | yes |
| 08:59.37 | BCMM | gidna: non-free sources don't exist |
| 08:59.41 | BCMM | that's what makes those packages non-free |
| 08:59.53 | Bushmills | not necessarily |
| 09:00.17 | Bushmills | non-free doesn't relate to sources availability alone |
| 09:00.21 | gidna | BCMM, so I edit only this: deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ buster main ? |
| 09:00.45 | EoflaOE | gidna: yes. Add non-free at the end |
| 09:01.24 | BCMM | Bushmills: ah, fair enough. there is in fact a source repo for non-free. gidna, sorry, ignore what i said :) |
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| 09:01.45 | BCMM | Bushmills: i had assumed that sort of thing went in contrib, but that doesn't make sense on reflection |
| 09:01.55 | gidna | so I add to both lines non-free? |
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| 09:02.06 | EoflaOE | gidna: Yes. |
| 09:02.19 | BCMM | gidna: did you change the security line? |
| 09:02.26 | BCMM | (you do have a security line, right?) |
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| 09:02.48 | Bushmills | but my guess is that gidna could probably delete the deb-src line completely, unlikely that sources of a package will be needed in foreseeable future |
| 09:03.49 | gidna | have I also to edit the other lines? security and volatile? |
| 09:03.52 | BCMM | gidna: it would probably be a good idea to have a look at this https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list |
| 09:04.01 | BCMM | ... what is volatile? |
| 09:04.16 | gidna | # buster-updates, previously known as 'volatile' |
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| 09:04.32 | Bushmills | BCMM: contrib contains packages which are free as such, but depend on packages in non-free |
| 09:05.16 | BCMM | gidna: yes, change the buster-updates line too |
| 09:05.19 | Mathisen | gidna, yes add non-free to the security lines and no dont add anything to the buster-updates lines |
| 09:05.29 | BCMM | Mathisen: um, what? |
| 09:05.35 | Mathisen | i would just say same |
| 09:05.39 | BCMM | gidna, Mathisen: it's all here https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list |
| 09:05.40 | Mathisen | huh ? |
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| 09:07.11 | Mathisen | my bad... seems i missed somethings... |
| 09:07.39 | gidna | BCMM, but in that link deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates main contrib non-free it is added |
| 09:07.49 | BCMM | yes, as it should be |
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| 09:08.36 | gidna | you said: "and no dont add anything to the buster-updates lines" |
| 09:08.36 | allpubblic | Hey john |
| 09:10.51 | BCMM | gidna: no, Mathisen said that |
| 09:10.52 | rant | 05:05 BCMM> gidna: yes, change the buster-updates line too |
| 09:11.16 | Mathisen | gidna, and i was wrong listen to BCMM |
| 09:11.22 | gidna | BCMM, sorry |
| 09:11.33 | BCMM | no problem |
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| 09:12.25 | Mathisen | but now i must say the backports repo confuses me. why is it there by default ? |
| 09:12.53 | BCMM | Mathisen: it's not there by default. what are you looking at? |
| 09:13.07 | gidna | can I install only this: apt-get install firmware-atheros? |
| 09:13.23 | Mathisen | BCMM, http://ix.io/1PGR |
| 09:13.35 | gidna | and not all the package amd64-microcode firmware-amd-graphics firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree |
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| 09:13.52 | Mathisen | i never added the stre-updates lines atleast what i can remember |
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| 09:14.08 | rant | there is no backports in there |
| 09:14.21 | Mathisen | ok what is it for then ? |
| 09:14.34 | rant | what is _what_ for? |
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| 09:14.46 | Mathisen | deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main |
| 09:15.01 | rant | its buster updates.. formerly known as volitile |
| 09:15.12 | rant | !volitile |
| 09:15.12 | dpkg | Debian Volatile was a project aiming at keeping Debian releases up-to-date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It was replaced by the <stable-updates> suite as of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2012/msg00000.html |
| 09:15.13 | klys | volatile? |
| 09:15.24 | rant | !stable-updates |
| 09:15.24 | dpkg | buster-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from buster-updates will be included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <buster/updates> which is for <security> updates. |
| 09:15.34 | rant | !security |
| 09:15.35 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ buster/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>, <browser security>. |
| 09:16.08 | BCMM | gidna: yes, you can install just firmware-atheros |
| 09:16.18 | BCMM | see https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc |
| 09:16.41 | BCMM | gidna: however, it's probably a good idea to have microcode updates for your intel or amd cpu |
| 09:16.45 | BCMM | for security reasons |
| 09:17.35 | gidna | ok it is now recognized thank you |
| 09:18.10 | BCMM | Mathisen: backports is different from updates |
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| 09:18.49 | Mathisen | yeah i get that i missunderstood the line, |
| 09:18.55 | rant | https://termbin.com/mge5 is my sources.list fwiw |
| 09:20.36 | rant | fairly complete list of official sources suitable for most anyone |
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| 09:21.06 | Mathisen | so last question, if i understand this right the buster-updates line is more or less not needed, it just an "extra" layer of security if im using specific packagaes ? that if i use it i can get updated versions |
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| 09:21.34 | rant | that's a horrible way to look at it |
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| 09:22.12 | BCMM | Mathisen: it's mostly for data that needs to be up-to-date |
| 09:22.23 | BCMM | Mathisen: e.g. timezone information |
| 09:22.46 | BCMM | if your country decides to change how daylight saving works, you don't want your system to just be wrong until the next debian release, for example |
| 09:23.04 | Mathisen | ok, il just let it be then. |
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| 09:28.29 | Filystyn | helo |
| 09:28.44 | Filystyn | I need help |
| 09:28.49 | Filystyn | I need to upgrade kernel |
| 09:29.02 | Filystyn | on my server |
| 09:29.23 | Bushmills | what keeps you from doing it? |
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| 09:29.49 | Filystyn | probably the thing that it is so not user friendly |
| 09:30.07 | Filystyn | like on obsd i would have it done in seconds but ofc debian.. anyway lets not complain anymore |
| 09:30.13 | Filystyn | I will tell you what I allready tried |
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| 09:30.41 | Filystyn | I did this; apt-cache search linux-image |
| 09:31.13 | Filystyn | After going though list i found: linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64-unsigned - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs |
| 09:31.25 | Filystyn | so i guess this is the img i should install |
| 09:31.45 | Bushmills | yes, that's current kernel for buster |
| 09:31.51 | Bushmills | what is installed now? |
| 09:32.12 | Bushmills | i mean, if you're still in squeeze, consider upgrading to buster |
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| 09:32.55 | Filystyn | ok stop seems i still remember something |
| 09:33.00 | Filystyn | aptitude as superior as always |
| 09:33.10 | Filystyn | apt failed but i got it fixed with aptitude -f ;-) |
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| 09:33.55 | Bushmills | the fact that something needed to be fixed is not a good sign |
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| 09:34.37 | Bushmills | what does uname -a show? |
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| 09:35.04 | Filystyn | actuly it did not fix it |
| 09:35.07 | Filystyn | it failed ;-) |
| 09:35.11 | Filystyn | let me shwo you... uname |
| 09:37.21 | Filystyn | Linux server 2.6.35 #1 SMP Mon Feb 20 20:05:53 MSK 2017 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 09:37.32 | Bushmills | what does cat /etc/debian_version show? |
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| 09:37.56 | Filystyn | it seems i manaed to install the new kernel version |
| 09:38.06 | Filystyn | 10.0 |
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| 09:38.20 | Filystyn | but it shoes the old in uname ... |
| 09:38.20 | Bushmills | that's not the kernel which comes with 10.0 |
| 09:38.34 | Filystyn | linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64-unsigned is already installed at the requested version (4.19.37-5+deb10u1) |
| 09:38.45 | Bushmills | what does dpkg -l linux-image-amd64 show? |
| 09:39.14 | Bushmills | when did you reboot last time? |
| 09:39.31 | Filystyn | ages ago |
| 09:39.34 | Filystyn | do i need to do... |
| 09:39.42 | Filystyn | like use initrd ? |
| 09:39.59 | Filystyn | dpkg-query: no packages found matching linux-image-amd64 |
| 09:40.00 | Bushmills | then you probably installed a new kernel, but by not rebooting the previous kernel kept on running |
| 09:40.06 | Filystyn | ok |
| 09:40.10 | Filystyn | so lets reboot |
| 09:40.17 | Bushmills | but hang on, don't reboot yet |
| 09:40.30 | Filystyn | already did ;-) |
| 09:40.31 | Bushmills | "no packages found matching linux-image-amd64" is not goof |
| 09:40.33 | Bushmills | good |
| 09:40.50 | fireba11 | ah, it's check-your-sources-time :-D |
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| 09:41.10 | Bushmills | kernel 2.6 ! |
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| 09:41.37 | BCMM | sounds more like Filystyn just doesn't have the metapackage installed |
| 09:41.45 | BCMM | (which is likely to results in kernels not getting updated, i think) |
| 09:41.46 | Filystyn | and it seems it broken ;-) |
| 09:41.51 | Filystyn | Oh my God oh man ;-) |
| 09:42.15 | Filystyn | this is 2 funny |
| 09:42.17 | fireba11 | BCMM: jup .. fixed that in about 10 environments while updating to buster already here .. :-D |
| 09:42.18 | BCMM | unless you specifically want to use something other than the normal debian kernel, `apt install linux-image-amd64` (assuming you have an amd64 system!) |
| 09:42.50 | Filystyn | ok never mine its alive |
| 09:42.54 | fireba11 | did a pot of "apt remove --purge linux-image-4.9*" :-D |
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| 09:43.29 | Filystyn | uname -a gives same |
| 09:43.47 | Filystyn | Linux server 2.6.35 #1 SMP Mon Feb 20 20:05:53 MSK 2017 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 09:43.57 | Bushmills | do: ls /boot |
| 09:44.06 | Filystyn | root@server:~# ls /boot |
| 09:44.07 | Filystyn | System.map-4.19.0-5-amd64 initrd.img-4.19.0-5-amd64 |
| 09:44.07 | Filystyn | config-4.19.0-5-amd64 vmlinuz-4.19.0-5-amd64 |
| 09:44.28 | Bushmills | is that a virtual server or a dedicated server? |
| 09:44.42 | Filystyn | VPS |
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| 09:45.16 | Bushmills | depending on virtualisation software, it is possible that you have no effect on what kernel it boots into |
| 09:45.18 | Filystyn | i did apt install linux-image-amd64 |
| 09:45.29 | Filystyn | oooh ;-( |
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| 09:46.32 | Bushmills | kernel image in /boot is current |
| 09:47.10 | Bushmills | only way to not boot into it is - apart from virtualisation - that your boot loader wasn't updated. update-grub |
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| 09:48.02 | alkisg | Filystyn: the output of `cat /proc/cmdline` might help |
| 09:48.13 | Filystyn | quiet |
| 09:48.35 | alkisg | What, it only has "quiet" there, no root or anything? |
| 09:48.42 | Filystyn | yeah |
| 09:48.51 | alkisg | It's not really using grub then |
| 09:49.00 | alkisg | So no matter what you do with grub, it won't affect it |
| 09:49.27 | Filystyn | so I should ask provider to do somethign to get newer kern version? |
| 09:49.36 | alkisg | If you need it, yeah |
| 09:49.43 | Filystyn | yeah i want it k |
| 09:49.58 | alkisg | Or it may provide a control panel where you can select the VM type; and with different types, different kernels are used |
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| 09:52.15 | Filystyn | Yeah there is some control panel but i never use it but Im askign right now so will get direct answer |
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| 09:54.26 | Filystyn | they told me to ask via email so there is little chance |
| 09:54.29 | Filystyn | tthx for help ;-) |
| 09:56.04 | Bushmills | dedi beats vps :) |
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| 10:07.20 | Mathisen | Filystyn, out if curiostity what vps provider do you use |
| 10:08.35 | Filystyn | polish one doubt you know him |
| 10:08.49 | Filystyn | not a global company |
| 10:09.34 | Mathisen | ok, if this is for personal needs and not company stuff i can recommend vultr. i used many diffrent providers over the years and atleast in my optinoon they are cheap and good |
| 10:09.38 | tds | if your box is using systemd, `systemd-detect-virt` may shed some light |
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| 10:09.47 | Mathisen | i mean if you having issues with your current one |
| 10:10.15 | Filystyn | ok |
| 10:10.20 | Filystyn | thank you for advice |
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| 16:41.58 | aypea[0] | grumbles. ${source:Version} not ${Upstream-Version} :/ |
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| 16:44.14 | aypea[0] | HUZZAH! |
| 16:44.26 | aypea[0] | ratrace: confirmed fixed. thanks again. :) |
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| 16:46.59 | aypea[0] | gah. more problems. it's not getting its Depends: line filled like the other exim4-deamon-* packages. /sigh/ |
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| 17:58.43 | makspost | What are the minimum requirements for buster? |
| 17:59.25 | SwedeMike | makspost: https://www.linuxtechi.com/debian-10-buster-installation-guide/ |
| 17:59.48 | makspost | Thank you |
| 17:59.48 | JPT | It'll probably run on less than that |
| 18:00.04 | makspost | Off topic |
| 18:00.50 | makspost | Does anyone know the minimums for jessie on power pc x32? |
| 18:01.04 | makspost | Like very minimums |
| 18:01.16 | rant | minimums? |
| 18:01.29 | makspost | Minimum requirements |
| 18:01.46 | JPT | I guess ... just install it and see how it goes. 128M of RAM will get a bit squeezy, depending on what you want to do. |
| 18:02.12 | makspost | Well my machine is 256 ram |
| 18:02.20 | makspost | ibook g3 |
| 18:02.30 | makspost | Ik itâs old |
| 18:02.38 | JPT | Unless you want the latest KDE on there, you should still be okay |
| 18:02.41 | makspost | But iâm mostly a cli user |
| 18:02.48 | makspost | Yeah |
| 18:03.16 | makspost | Also i think the g3 machines canât boot from usb |
| 18:03.21 | makspost | Only cd rom |
| 18:03.45 | makspost | And then the machines only have usb 1.1 ports |
| 18:03.57 | JPT | USB1.1 is slow, but should work fine. |
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| 18:04.44 | postg_lif3 | The boot loader should be compatible right |
| 18:05.34 | JPT | Good point - i don't know about powerpc specifics. But in general, i expect a good chance of it mostly working out of the box. |
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| 19:02.42 | somebody | Hello. I'm on Jesse, and I'm trying to enable two options for the keyboard simultaneously, from the "Alt/Win key behavior" group in the KDE's keyboard settings module, but if I check one box, the other gets unchecked. Is there any way to fix this inside the GUI thing, without resorting to editing the config files? Thanks. |
| 19:03.32 | somebody | Oh, it's not Jesse, it's Stretch. |
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| 19:17.39 | petn-randall | somebody: Which two settings? They might be exclusive. |
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| 19:19.07 | somebody | petn-randall, They don't seem exclusive to me. |
| 19:19.22 | somebody | If you check any second box in that section, other one gets unchecked automatically. |
| 19:19.57 | petn-randall | somebody: What do those settings say? I don't have KDE installed right now. |
| 19:20.48 | somebody | OK. I want "Alt and Meta are on Alt keys", which makes my right Alt work as Alt in Colemak layout, and the other one is "Win is mapped to PrtSc (and the usual Win key)". |
| 19:21.04 | somebody | Agin, I don't really see how those two would be mutually exclusive. |
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| 19:21.13 | somebody | petn-randall, ^ |
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| 19:24.02 | petn-randall | I see, and agree they shouldn't be mutually exclusive. |
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| 19:30.57 | somebody | But the OS treats them as such, yes. |
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| 19:32.23 | jhutchins | somebody: It's the desktop, not the OS, but yeah. KDE is wierd about that stuff. |
| 19:33.03 | somebody | Oh silly me, yes that's the desktop. |
| 19:33.12 | somebody | I'm understanding that I should use some CLI stuff to set those options, but what? |
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| 19:36.25 | jhutchins | somebody: I think any CLI settings will probably be overridden by KDE's keyboard map. |
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| 19:38.04 | somebody | Goddamn. |
| 19:38.20 | somebody | So do you think there is there any way to work around that? |
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| 19:39.29 | humbot | what about xmodmap instructions |
| 19:40.33 | jhutchins | somebody: I think you'd have to find somebody on the KDE project. Maybe forums or mailing list. |
| 19:40.50 | jhutchins | Wow, chkrootkit's manpage is pretty useless. |
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| 19:41.13 | somebody | humbot, I remember reading about xmodmap years ago, but I didn't follow up on that; thanks for the pointer though! |
| 19:41.24 | pankid14_ | Did debian 10 change from using /etc/network/interfaces to systemd-networkd? Which should I be using by default? |
| 19:41.32 | somebody | jhutchins, You are right, this seems KDE-specific, so I'll talk to their IRC after updating to Buster. |
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| 19:42.02 | somebody | How's Buster, by the way, did it break anything for the good people of this channel? |
| 19:42.03 | ratrace | pankid14_: it didn't, use whichever you want, ifupdown is still the default |
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| 19:42.42 | pankid14_ | ratrace: Thanks! |
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| 19:50.33 | alkisg | humbot: I didn't see your initial question and I don't know about kde, but mate, gnome2, lxde and xfce, all respect the xorg settings, if one doesn't specify anything about the keyboard in the DE settings; i.e. his gsettings list-recursively | grep kbd etc etc are clear |
| 19:51.06 | alkisg | (which is the default, as long as one doesn't go to the keyboard configuration GUI that the desktop environments have) |
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| 19:51.40 | xxavi | hi to all |
| 19:51.42 | xxavi | any tool for test the Wi-Fi speed ? ( not Internet speed ) |
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| 19:53.40 | petn-randall | xxavi: the network-manager applet will show you the raw wifi speed when you hover over it with the mouse. |
| 19:53.45 | NetTerminalGene | guys, i installed snapd and installed a software. after that i removed the software and snap. but when i look lsblk output i see such things "loop1 7:1 0 88,4M 1 loop /snap/core/7169" |
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| 19:54.09 | NetTerminalGene | what to do? |
| 19:54.43 | petn-randall | NetTerminalGene: reboot maybe? |
| 19:55.15 | NetTerminalGene | petn-randall, iit is old thing. i rebooted lots of |
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| 19:56.22 | petn-randall | NetTerminalGene: What does `dpkg -l '*snap*'` return? |
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| 19:58.01 | NetTerminalGene | petn-randall, it lists some stuff that i don't understand |
| 19:58.06 | xxavi | petn-randall: hi, thanks for your answer. My network-manager applet show: "Speed: 150 Mb/s". This is the maximun speed of my Wi-Fi card ? |
| 19:58.09 | humbot | thanks for the gsettings tip alkisg |
| 19:58.17 | alkisg | np |
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| 19:58.59 | petn-randall | xxavi: This is the negotiated speed between your card and the AP. |
| 19:59.30 | xxavi | petn-randall: Oh, ok, thanks. |
| 20:00.38 | petn-randall | NetTerminalGene: Can you share it on https://paste.debian.net? |
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| 20:02.21 | NetTerminalGene | petn-randall, https://paste.debian.net/1093314/ "yok" means "none" |
| 20:03.23 | astronavt | hi debian, i'm looking to help bump a package to its latest released version, but im a little lost reading the docs. do i just replace the .orig.tar.xz with the most recent version of the source? |
| 20:03.30 | astronavt | this is the package btw https://packages.debian.org/sid/keepassxc |
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| 20:04.30 | xxavi | Another question. How can I connect to 5GHz network ? |
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| 20:05.16 | petn-randall | xxavi: If you card supports it, it will just show up in the selection in the applet. |
| 20:05.20 | petn-randall | *your |
| 20:05.36 | dvs | yore |
| 20:06.06 | petn-randall | NetTerminalGene: Try purging snapd, and maybe even remove those libs. |
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| 20:06.45 | NetTerminalGene | petn-randall, thanks i won't do that. i don't want to break something |
| 20:06.57 | xxavi | petn-randall: How can I know the 2.4 and 5 in selection applet ? |
| 20:08.26 | petn-randall | xxavi: I guess you can check the output of iwconfig if you care about that. |
| 20:08.55 | petn-randall | NetTerminalGene: What is there to break? You don't want to use the package anymore, and you already deinstalled it. |
| 20:10.07 | xxavi | petn-randall: ok, thanks. |
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| 20:14.42 | somebody | alkisg, I was trying to check two options for the Alt and PrtSc keys, which are treated as mutually exclusive by the KDE's keyboard utility. |
| 20:15.00 | somebody | > OK. I want "Alt and Meta are on Alt keys", which makes my right Alt work as Alt in Colemak layout, and the other one is "Win is mapped to PrtSc (and the usual Win key)". |
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| 20:15.41 | somebody | So what you are saying is, I can configure one of those in xorg, and it will be respected by the KDE, correct? |
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| 20:17.13 | alkisg | somebody: does `sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration` provide the options you need? |
| 20:17.29 | alkisg | If so, by default they work in console, xorg, and DEs |
| 20:18.08 | alkisg | And at the first time one goes to the DE UI for keyboard configuration, they're not respected anymore, until they're cleared from there |
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| 20:18.22 | alkisg | i.e. overriden |
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| 20:19.18 | somebody | Okay! So there was an option to make the right Alt work as the AltGr, which gives me the symmetric modifier keys, which is what I wanted in the first place. |
| 20:19.28 | somebody | This is wonderful, alkisg, thank you! |
| 20:19.33 | alkisg | np |
| 20:19.53 | somebody | But can I open the KDE's GUI keyboard thing to set the PrtSc to work as the Meta key, without ruining this? |
| 20:20.04 | alkisg | No idea, I don't use KDE |
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| 20:20.44 | somebody | OK, let's try this... |
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| 20:24.50 | somebody | Nope, doesn't work. |
| 20:25.04 | somebody | It gets overwritten as soon as I open the GUI thingie. |
| 20:26.44 | somebody | The right Alt not working correctly is what I get now, since by default it's bound to the AltGr on Colemak. |
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| 20:29.03 | somebody | Is this utility going to influence the keyboard layout that's used for the FDE passphrase? |
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| 20:36.45 | MoonKing1969 | hi |
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| 20:37.53 | kreyren | How do you overclock nvidia GPU on debian |
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| 20:45.46 | mavhq | just upgraded to buster from stretch. after I rebooted got a load of irq errors: do_IRQ: 2.34 No irq handler for vector. This seemed to cause zfs to not import a pool and say it I should delete and restore it from backup, scary. Rebooted to 4.9.0.9 and everything's fine |
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| 21:00.22 | aguitel | try to find fastest mirror with synaptic , but no show this option ; what need to install ? |
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| 21:04.07 | Mathisen | aguitel, netselect-apt |
| 21:04.28 | aguitel | Mathisen, this work in command line |
| 21:04.56 | aguitel | talking about make this with synaptic |
| 21:05.21 | Mathisen | then i have no clue. was assuming you just wanted fastest mirror |
| 21:05.33 | aguitel | yes |
| 21:06.37 | Mathisen | and running netselect-apt will show your 10 fastest |
| 21:07.42 | aguitel | ok |
| 21:07.46 | aguitel | thanks |
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| 21:09.25 | aguitel | other question , best way to install last firefox version ( stable ) ? |
| 21:10.29 | Mathisen | change dist :) nah just kidding. but there is no good way. if you want to stick to standard repos |
| 21:11.04 | fraktor | IS there a good way to install the latest Firefox on testing? |
| 21:11.53 | Mathisen | ,v firefox |
| 21:11.54 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- sid: 68.0.1-2 |
| 21:12.12 | Mathisen | sid got it |
| 21:12.52 | Mathisen | ,v mozilla-firefox |
| 21:12.54 | judd | No package named 'mozilla-firefox' was found in amd64. |
| 21:13.42 | ChmEarl | firefox-esr |
| 21:17.19 | aguitel | https://www.linuxbabe.com/debian/install-firefox-quantum-debian-9-stretch |
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| 21:20.39 | MoonKing1969 | after upgrading nvidia drivers to the latest i lost my kde desktop. :( |
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| 21:21.15 | aguitel | maybe wrong nvidia version you install or upgrade |
| 21:21.21 | def_jam | test |
| 21:21.28 | dvs | !test |
| 21:21.29 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 21:21.39 | def_jam | thanks |
| 21:21.49 | Habbie | !test |
| 21:21.49 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 21:21.55 | astronavt | what's the recommended tool for building packages in some kind of contained environment? i dont wanna have a bunch of miscellaneous libraries marked as non-auto |
| 21:22.22 | Habbie | pbuilder, last time i checked - this may no longer be the recommended tool but it might be a useful start to your Google journey |
| 21:22.49 | Habbie | personally i use docker with some scripting around it |
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| 21:23.56 | astronavt | yeah i see it referenced a few times in the wiki |
| 21:23.59 | astronavt | i'll start there thanks |
| 21:24.10 | Habbie | good luck, we'll be here :) |
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| 21:50.11 | preyalone | ay can we get valgrind for x32? |
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| 22:01.39 | Habbie | preyalone, is that a debian question, or a valgrind upstream question? |
| 22:02.14 | Habbie | preyalone, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=718368 claims it was fixed in 2013.. |
| 22:02.15 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/718368 in valgrind (closed): «valgrind: Please support arch x32»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-07-30; last modified: 2014-03-09. |
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| 22:57.16 | kreyren | How do you overclock nvidia GPU on debian? |
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| 23:00.59 | somebody | kreyren, the question would be, does their Linux driver support doing this? |
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