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| 09:19.36 | *** topic/#debian is Debian Stretch: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg 9.9 ; 9.9 needs dist-upgrade ; /msg dpkg jessie->stretch | Debian Buster: /msg dpkg buster ; /msg dpkg stretch->buster | Oldstable: Debian Jessie, jessie-{updates,backports} removed, /msg dpkg jessie-lts | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
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| 09:45.47 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 09:45.47 | dpkg | <stuckey> Anyone here understand cmake? <Slurb> i know that its the c version of make |
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| 09:46.43 | OneKekMan | Question: Is there a mechanism pausing processes and/or network upon user switch? |
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| 09:47.41 | OneKekMan | This is regarding stretch. |
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| 09:50.21 | kreyren | Is there any effective way to switch GPU drivers? |
| 09:50.29 | kreyren | i want to switch nouveau and nvidia on demand |
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| 09:51.58 | met | kreyren, maybe with update-alternatives |
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| 09:54.09 | kreyren | met, how? |
| 09:56.11 | kreyren | ah config glx |
| 09:56.12 | kreyren | got it |
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| 09:56.44 | OneKekMan | Aptitude seems to come to a halt when switching X vtys away from the user that is running it. |
| 09:56.46 | kreyren | can i somehow apply changes without rebooting it? |
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| 09:57.21 | OneKekMan | Does systemd stop the processes of background users? |
| 09:57.39 | OneKekMan | on vty swith? |
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| 09:57.54 | OneKekMan | s/swith/switch/ |
| 09:58.02 | jolt | OneKekMan: That sounds very strange. That should not happen afaik |
| 09:58.08 | Anonops | I am not able to connect internet wireless in kali linux anyone can help me with this |
| 09:58.45 | jelly | !kali |
| 09:58.45 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 09:59.04 | OneKekMan | Aptitude (in konsole) halts downloading when switching vtys to another (non-sudo) user in stretch, jolt. |
| 09:59.34 | jelly | OneKekMan: that seems unlikely |
| 09:59.45 | OneKekMan | It's the case. |
| 10:00.05 | OneKekMan | Is systemd stopping network access then? |
| 10:00.40 | jelly | I guess it's possible if your network is managed by NetworkManager and not /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:00.57 | Anonops | Idk but i am not able to acess internet wireless |
| 10:01.10 | OneKekMan | It probably is, it's KDE task |
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| 10:02.03 | jolt | NetworkManager et al is black magic voodoo to me, so I don't have a saying in that. See if apt or apt-get does the same? |
| 10:02.14 | jelly | I know N-M does that when a machine is suspended; it's possible a similar action is taken on user switch |
| 10:02.20 | kreyren | met, that seems to work thanks |
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| 10:03.15 | OneKekMan | If I switch away for a minute, and switch back, time estimate is in the days and maybe a few more packages have downloaded. Estimate is back under an hour within fifteen sec. |
| 10:03.40 | jelly | that does sound like the whole network access going down |
| 10:04.01 | jelly | leave a "ping google.com" instead of aptitude to confirm |
| 10:04.18 | at0m | quite unlikely to be related to konsole window switch IMO |
| 10:04.46 | jelly | user session switch, not Alt-Tab window switch |
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| 10:07.14 | OneKekMan | user switch (either ctrl+alt+Fx or lock -> switch) |
| 10:07.51 | jelly | except switching to tty console should not stop any network |
| 10:08.07 | OneKekMan | Between two X sessions |
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| 10:09.47 | jelly | perhaps setting the particular network connection to "All users may connect to this network" might help? |
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| 10:10.27 | rocketmagnet | hi guys, i'm searching for a good opensource software to cut a long mp3 file (a full album) into single songs - can somehone here recommends somethings ? |
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| 10:10.47 | met | kreyren, you're welcome |
| 10:10.53 | OneKekMan | Huh, ping doesn't die, and aptitude doesn't stop. |
| 10:11.07 | OneKekMan | at least while ping is running |
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| 10:11.47 | jelly | dselect: wb |
| 10:11.47 | dselect | thanks, jelly. It's good to be back. |
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| 10:12.23 | OneKekMan | Thanks for the help guys. |
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| 10:14.01 | at0m | rocketmagnet: mpgtx and its tools |
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| 10:16.28 | at0m | rocketmagnet: another way would be a .cue file (say, for a live album where one song transitions in the other) |
| 10:17.31 | at0m | that'll make sure the gig can be played uninteruptedly anywhere, and on players that support .cue you'll be able to jump tracks, get titles etc |
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| 10:26.30 | dooteo | Hi there, |
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| 10:26.52 | Sveta | hi dooteo |
| 10:26.54 | K_tester | Hi, is it normal I don't see the users list on the left (screen) using irssi |
| 10:26.55 | K_tester | ? |
| 10:27.00 | dooteo | how can I set multicast route into /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 10:27.01 | K_tester | Hi dooteo & Sveta :) |
| 10:27.15 | dooteo | writing a line like 'ip route add -net 224.0.0.0 netmask 240.0.0.0 dev eth0' |
| 10:27.19 | dooteo | does not work |
| 10:28.01 | Sveta | grungy: I think it is normal for irssi |
| 10:28.02 | dooteo | networking service claims: Error: inet prefix is expected rather than "-net" |
| 10:28.03 | jolt | dooteo: under an interface, writeh "up <your line>" |
| 10:28.09 | Sveta | grungy: you can use a script to add it, see scripts.irssi.org |
| 10:28.17 | jolt | dooteo: ip route add 224.0.0.0/4 dev ethX or so |
| 10:28.20 | dooteo | okey, let me try |
| 10:28.32 | Habbie | why do you want to add that route? |
| 10:28.34 | jolt | dooteo: route add -net is for the old "route" command, not the same as "ip route" |
| 10:29.06 | dooteo | jolt: Ouch, I didn't know... |
| 10:29.10 | grungy | Sveta: Nevermind, it had to load. I see the list now. And my bad, that was off-topic. |
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| 10:33.00 | willemb | i keep getting Unknown lvalue 'InaccessableDirectories' in section 'Service' |
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| 10:41.26 | dooteo | jolt: it works!! added 'up ip route add 224.0.0.0/4 dev eth0' line to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:41.40 | Sveta | grungy: no worries; you're welcome in #irssi any day |
| 10:42.35 | dooteo | another question related with this one, is iproute2 used to set multicast routings too? |
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| 10:43.49 | dooteo | I mean, there is a dir /etc/iproute2 to set rt_tables and rt_tables.d/, which are the proper steps to configure it? |
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| 12:06.59 | Marbug | nothing tsglove the apt doesn't have the lxd package, even when I install it through snap, the lxd command isn't there, and actually I can't seem to find anything about lxd on debian either, I find pages that says that people got it installed, others that say that it isn't supported for debian. So I'm quite confusezd there |
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| 12:16.05 | tsglove | Ahh... hmm... |
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| 12:18.21 | vlt | Fox: Thank you. |
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| 12:25.24 | ksk | Marbug: there is no lxd command, you use "lxc" to control it - or so I do on my lxd ubuntu box.. |
| 12:26.08 | ksk | as debian 10 has apparmor, it might be supported ( that was the issue in the past.. ) |
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| 12:28.41 | Marbug | yes true, I also meant the lxc commad, it isn't there :) But shouldn't the lxd binary be there too as that is the init daemon that should run |
| 12:28.49 | Marbug | Maybe I need to add specific repo sources |
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| 12:29.31 | ksk | you should rethink your methods imho, does not sound too sane what you are doing ;) |
| 12:29.53 | ksk | like, hasnt lxd documentation explaining how to run it on debian? |
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| 12:37.23 | Marbug | I'm just mentioning that if you would search or a binary for lxd, that you would have an lxd, but also an lxc binary. I tried to follow an lxd tutorial, but could only find one that worked best for snap, so it installed it, but no lxd command was available |
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| 12:39.15 | Marbug | ok, there is jsut some things lacking in the PATH of deban 10 |
| 12:39.28 | Marbug | seems lxc binary can be found under /snap/bin/ |
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| 12:42.00 | EdePopede | wonders why snap doesn't go into /opt but instead prefers to break the FHS |
| 12:44.50 | dvs | EdePopede, I thought /opt was offlimits for .deb packages, like /usr/local |
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| 12:45.17 | velix | The last releases, the was a "approximation bot", which approximated the release date of buster. Does this still exist? |
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| 12:46.33 | EdePopede | dvs: there's snap, a science package (something with medicine), i think snap the package manager (or whatever it exactly is) is meant |
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| 12:52.49 | inch | Why doesn't exim tell the exact version in its 220 answer when connecting? 4.89 (in stretch) had a remote explitable flaw and now ISPs are scanning their networks and harassing all exim users even they have upgrades to 4.89-2+deb9u4. |
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| 12:54.34 | dvs | Sounds like a lack of knowledge on the ISPs part |
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| 12:55.09 | inch | They can't tell the differecne between 4.89-2+deb9u3 and 4.89-2+deb9u4 because exim doesn't tell which one it is. |
| 12:56.22 | inch | One of the IPS's even firewalled one of my exims, because I had jessie's 4.84_2 there. |
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| 12:59.44 | inch | And opened it later when I explained the version number range of the exploit. |
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| 13:02.05 | livin | hi |
| 13:02.12 | dvs | lo |
| 13:02.25 | dvs | !next |
| 13:02.25 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 13:04.14 | EdePopede | !prev |
| 13:04.24 | EdePopede | oh, no double linking |
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| 13:15.18 | Anonops | Hey friends how do i start my carreer in bug bounty i need help in this |
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| 13:15.39 | ksk | Anonops: eh? |
| 13:15.55 | ksk | !crossposting |
| 13:15.58 | Anonops | Bug bounty like hackerone |
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| 13:16.18 | ksk | We do not like you crossposting your question here, and on oftc btw.. |
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| 13:16.41 | finn0 | !irclog |
| 13:16.41 | dpkg | it has been said that irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/ |
| 13:16.44 | ksk | how is that question related to debian at all? this is a debian support channel |
| 13:19.28 | f8e3 | if a setting is not available (mousepad) what do i do, source compile it? |
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| 13:19.45 | f8e3 | id like to disalbe the "do want to save?" query upon close |
| 13:20.13 | ksk | f8e3: is this an option in mouesepad, or not? if yes, in which version was it introduced? |
| 13:20.37 | ksk | and then, is this version wich introduced that option newer than whats available in debian? |
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| 13:21.25 | f8e3 | ksk i have Mousepad 0.4.0, default from deb sources.list, not configured, checked all the gui settings, deb9.9 |
| 13:21.59 | ksk | soo, you are basicly asking how to introduce a funtionallity to some software? not really scope of this channel.. |
| 13:22.18 | f8e3 | ok, which one better? |
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| 13:22.35 | ksk | contacting the mousepad devs, and creating a feature-request-bugreport -if they have such things |
| 13:22.50 | ksk | that is, the upstream mouesepad devs, not the debian package maintainers. |
| 13:23.00 | f8e3 | yes, ok thank you |
| 13:24.06 | ksk | !next |
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| 13:31.30 | finn0 | Can I level the output of syslog same as dmesg(sudo dmesg -k -l warn,err)? Because it's very hard to find which line is print from stderr or stdout? |
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| 13:33.15 | finn0 | Currently I'm using vim with hightlight syntax which color stderr with red strip. But, cannot differentiate between warning and normal stdout output. |
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| 13:37.33 | TheUnknown67 | Never mind. |
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| 13:49.48 | ksk | finn0: do you have journalctl? you could use -u to specify showing logs related to one service only. |
| 13:50.06 | ksk | apart from grepping "WARN" or so in syslog I dont know of a way. |
| 13:50.13 | ksk | as its just a textfile. |
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| 14:03.50 | finn0 | ksk: yep, but I'm struggling with getting colored after piping journalctl output to less (`sudo journalctl -xb | less` and also tried `sudo journalctl -xb | less -R`). As far as remember journalctl have color option like dmesg --color and don't want print that long message on terminal. So, is any solution for getting colored output of journatctl after piping to less? For now, I've a solution only print |
| 14:03.51 | finn0 | concerned unit output. |
| 14:04.30 | ksk | dunno, sorry. maybe #systemd is a better place to ask (though its totally on-topic in here, too) |
| 14:04.56 | somiaj | wonder if it is less, I have had other programs who give colored output not have color after piping through less |
| 14:05.44 | greycat | less -R is the correct answer to THAT half, but they already did that. The issue is in the sending half, journalctl, which only uses colors when writing to a tty. |
| 14:06.41 | somiaj | less even with -R it isn't working for ls or apt cache search fvwm |
| 14:06.44 | greycat | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/249723/how-to-trick-a-command-into-thinking-its-output-is-going-to-a-terminal |
| 14:06.58 | finn0 | ksk: output of journalctl very much different from syslog. Some of error messages in syslog are missing in journalctl which I'm looking for. |
| 14:07.02 | somiaj | though might be something similar, that apps notice the pip and stop coloring things. |
| 14:07.30 | finn0 | Does both handle by different program or demon? |
| 14:07.52 | jmcnaught | so don't pipe to less? journalctl automatically uses a pager if there are more lines than it can fit on the screen, and that has colour |
| 14:08.59 | greycat | yeah, it's not clear what the actual goal is |
| 14:09.04 | somiaj | I think it is that multiple programs are writting to that log, so though journalctl might have that info you may ahve to request it separtally. Yea man syslog seems to give one syslog() function, which allows multiple programs to write to the log. |
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| 14:10.37 | finn0 | jmcnaught: thats not true. Most of the output of journactl is missing from terminal. Does I've to configure something so, journalctl will use pager if output is not fit in terminal? |
| 14:11.07 | jmcnaught | finn0: journalctl using a pager is default behaviour |
| 14:11.13 | greycat | finn0: can you give a *specific* example? |
| 14:11.36 | greycat | Ideally a way one of us can try to reproduce whatever issue you're attempting to "fix". |
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| 14:16.14 | finn0 | greycat, jmcnaught: My bad, journalctl use a pager by default. But I'm doing is press cltr+end to end of the journal and then press cltr+C to abort interrupt which finally print all data to the terminal. |
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| 14:17.08 | greycat | It uses less for me, and I usually use Shift-G to jump to the end of the input in less (same as vi, which is what less's key bindings come from). |
| 14:17.10 | finn0 | greycat: Are you asking to me? to tell an issue which I'm trying to fix. |
| 14:17.31 | jmcnaught | journalctl -e goes to the end of the journal in the pager |
| 14:17.45 | greycat | Ctrl-End does nothing for me in urxvt. |
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| 14:18.39 | finn0 | greycat , jmcnaught : thanks for the suggestion. |
| 14:18.40 | greycat | the man page says -e implies -n1000 which might or might not be a problem |
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| 14:26.47 | finn0 | How can I check a information about an issue on bugs.debain.org? whether it is closed or open? |
| 14:27.08 | greycat | the top of the bug's page should say |
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| 14:27.38 | f8e3 | is dd tied to the hardware, eg hdd ssd back and forth? |
| 14:28.56 | ksk | f8e3: mhhm? dd is a low-level-utilty for copying stuff. |
| 14:29.50 | f8e3 | hw is even more ll, so its only about bytes? i dd os from dev1 to dev2 no matter the pysical hw |
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| 14:29.53 | ksk | not sure if dd'ing a HDD to a SSD is a good Idea, might be the default filesystem options (should) differ for SSD. |
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| 14:30.39 | ksk | if you do not need a bit-wise copy, I suggest creating a filesystem on the SSD and using rsync to copy over stuff. |
| 14:31.32 | f8e3 | ok, i though ill get a portable usb3 debian on hdd by dd. |
| 14:31.43 | f8e3 | mmh will go the dd of=file way then |
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| 14:32.33 | f8e3 | is it ok: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb conv=sync,notrunc ? |
| 14:32.55 | f8e3 | sry: is it ok: dd if=/dev/sda of=/myfiledir conv=sync,notrunc ? |
| 14:33.24 | ksk | This will most likely not do what you want it to do (Or I am wrong, that happens from time to time..) |
| 14:33.47 | ksk | I can only suggest you read what I alredy wrote.. |
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| 14:36.14 | f8e3 | mmh, maybe rsync ill look into man |
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| 14:37.14 | f8e3 | !next :D |
| 14:37.21 | f8e3 | mmh |
| 14:37.24 | f8e3 | !next |
| 14:37.24 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 14:39.00 | rocketmagnet | f8e3: sdd or hdd does not matter - he creates an .iso file with the complete filesystem and all partition |
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| 14:39.50 | rocketmagnet | i allways create a complete .iso of my sdd and use boot from a live-cd and use dd to copy it to the sdd (the .iso file created) |
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| 14:40.11 | rocketmagnet | fastest install possible |
| 14:40.20 | rocketmagnet | all updates and settings stay the same |
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| 14:41.36 | jmcnaught | For most people .iso is an ISO9660 filesystem meant to be written to a CD-ROM or DVD. To be less confusing I would use the extension .img or .raw |
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| 14:59.15 | Marbug | Anyone already used thunderbold as a docking station to get multiple screens/keyboard/muse attached to the laptop ? |
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| 15:03.31 | sipos_ | Hi, I am trying to verify http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz I can check the SHA256SUM using http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/SHA256SUMS, which I can in turn check using http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/Release, which I should be able to in turn check using http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/stret |
| 15:03.31 | sipos_ | ch/Release.gpg, but it isn't signed with a key I recognise. https://www.debian.org/releases/ seems to say that it should be signed by the stretch archive signing key, which https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html gives a fingerprint of, but it isn't used to sign that. Can anyone point me to where to validate the keys that are used to sign Release.gpg, or another way to verify boot.img.gz? |
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| 15:18.44 | themill | sipos_: that release file is signed by the wheezy, jessie and stretch keys |
| 15:19.40 | themill | sipos_: http://paste.debian.net/1088651/ |
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| 15:28.06 | sipos_ | themill, Thanks, but https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html seems to say the fingerprint of the stretch key should be E1CF 20DD FFE4 B89E 8026 58F1 E0B1 1894 F66A EC98, not 067E 3C45 6BAE 240A CEE8 8F6F EF0F 382A 1A7B 6500. Any idea why the descrepancy? |
| 15:30.05 | DammitJim | how do I find out what program is setting up my networking? |
| 15:30.35 | DammitJim | I thought I was doing it through wicd, but apparently something else is making the connections (and wicd doesn't even know it) |
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| 15:30.40 | BCMM | what's a decent strategy for keeping a headless debian server updated? unattended-upgrades, and trust that Stable won't do anything dramatic? or should i get it to email me when updated packages are available so i can do it manually? or something else? |
| 15:30.43 | petn-randall | DammitJim: It's either ifupdown, network-manager, or wicd, I guess. |
| 15:30.57 | petn-randall | There might be others, but they're usual quite esoteric. |
| 15:31.16 | jhutchins_wk1 | DammitJim: Unless you've rebuilt the defaults, network-manager |
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| 15:31.20 | DammitJim | oh ok, I see I have network-manager installed |
| 15:31.29 | BCMM | (this is just a home backup/media server, so it's not like a business is going to shut down if it has to be offline for a few hours to fix something) |
| 15:31.32 | DammitJim | is network-manager the default debian package? |
| 15:31.35 | DammitJim | for buster |
| 15:32.28 | greycat | I've never heard (yet?) that anyone has changed the Standard set of packages in the buster installer to include network-manager. |
| 15:32.46 | DammitJim | ty greatgatsby_ |
| 15:32.48 | DammitJim | greycat, |
| 15:32.55 | greycat | And it's showing with priority optional. |
| 15:33.01 | jhutchins_wk1 | greycat: Well it's certainly not wicd by default. |
| 15:33.04 | BCMM | DammitJim: what do you mean by "the default", though? |
| 15:33.17 | jhutchins_wk1 | greycat: I think that NM gets installed if you request a GUI. |
| 15:33.21 | BCMM | i think it's pulled in by most -desktop tasks |
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| 15:33.27 | greycat | That's what I'm trying to get to... people throw around shitty phrases like "default" and it is SO MUCH MORE COMPLICATED than that. |
| 15:33.32 | DammitJim | what manages an ethernet connection to get an IP address on a default buster install |
| 15:33.39 | BCMM | but not by the "standard" task |
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| 15:33.45 | DammitJim | it is complicated... we are getting there |
| 15:33.57 | greycat | In a DEFAULT INSTALL which has NO DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT it is /etc/network/interfaces just like always, unless someone changed it withoutg telling me. |
| 15:34.04 | BCMM | DammitJim: the installer asks questions. there isn't really a "default" install |
| 15:34.09 | DammitJim | alright... let's see if I don't bork my system. I'm going to remove network-manager (not sure how it got installed... maybe when I was asleep the other night) |
| 15:34.31 | greycat | If you install a DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT then you probably get N-M but you are no longer doing what *I* *PERSONALLY* would call a "default" install. |
| 15:34.50 | DammitJim | thanks guys! |
| 15:35.17 | jmcnaught | except that the debian desktop task is selected by default in the installer |
| 15:35.23 | jhutchins_wk1 | !interfaces |
| 15:35.23 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
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| 15:35.56 | greycat | That factoid is only showing part of the picture. |
| 15:37.02 | greycat | If for some utterly batshit insane reason you have enabled systemd-networkd then that may do something. Otherwise, if you list an interface in /e/n/i, that defines it. Otherwise, if an interface is NOT listed in /e/n/i but you have installed N-M, then N-M defines it. |
| 15:37.32 | greycat | I have no idea how wireless works. |
| 15:37.58 | BCMM | greycat: you can do wireless in the interfaces file these days |
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| 15:38.20 | greycat | I mean in terms of other things that may or may not do something. Like this "wicd" that was mentioned. |
| 15:38.38 | BCMM | (iirc you can even put the psk in the interfaces file and not even have to touch wpa_supplicant yourself) |
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| 15:40.06 | BCMM | talking of tasks, is there a relatively clean way to install a task, excluding a few packages i don't want? |
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| 15:40.55 | BCMM | in my case, i use kde and would like to install everything in task-kde-desktop except kdeaccessibility and plasma-nm |
| 15:41.30 | BCMM | apt has a way to say "if anything deps on this package, just pretend it's already installed", right? |
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| 15:41.48 | themill | not really, other than to do fake things with equivs |
| 15:42.30 | themill | you *might* be able to fool aptitude into doing it with something like "aptitude install task-kde-desktop kdeaccessibility- " |
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| 15:43.23 | BCMM | themill: to check my understanding: equivs creates a package that that claims to provide whatever you want it to claim to provide? |
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| 15:44.26 | themill | yes |
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| 15:45.06 | BCMM | hmm, that doesn't actually seem like an awful approach here |
| 15:45.30 | themill | (on the understanding that when it breaks, you keep the bits; not that dangerous here though) |
| 15:46.18 | BCMM | yeah, i know it's a bit nonstandard. but i don't think anything else is going to depend on plasma's networkmanager integration thing |
| 15:46.44 | BCMM | and it's not there because anything strictly needs it, it's just there because the task wants to provide a gui for network stuff |
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| 15:51.32 | HelloShitty | Hello peeps |
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| 15:52.15 | HelloShitty | When we are said that a file system is missing, that that means we need a new partition or that some existing aprtition needs to be formatted first? |
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| 15:52.58 | humpled | a file system goes in a partition |
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| 15:57.53 | HelloShitty | humpled: so when I use fdisk and select option g (for GPT label) |
| 15:57.58 | HelloShitty | what am I creating? |
| 15:58.12 | humpled | ! |
| 15:58.16 | greycat | A disklabel is basically the same as a partition table. |
| 15:58.17 | HelloShitty | and what is the difference if I choose option 'n' in the first place? |
| 15:58.32 | HelloShitty | 'n' is for new partition |
| 15:58.37 | humpled | haven't caught up with gpt yet |
| 15:58.43 | greycat | Basically your disks can have either msdos disklabels, or gpt disklabels. |
| 15:59.05 | HelloShitty | So, even is I use GPT, I always need to create a partition, right? |
| 15:59.30 | HelloShitty | s/is/if |
| 15:59.37 | HelloShitty | So, even if I use GPT, I always need to create a partition, right? |
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| 16:00.39 | stressedoutcat | not really "even if", but rather "I use GPT, so I intend to set up partitions" |
| 16:01.01 | stressedoutcat | you could also write a filesystem directly onto the disk, without any partitions (but some environments may not like that) |
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| 16:01.43 | greycat | Only do that if you want the ENTIRE disk to be that one file system, and then you cannot boot from that disk or anything else. |
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| 16:01.57 | HelloShitty | yeah, no worries |
| 16:02.04 | HelloShitty | I'm doing this in a dummy file |
| 16:02.17 | greycat | Most people should be using partitions on their disks. |
| 16:02.28 | stressedoutcat | I would still suggest creating partitions, though - just to avoid "wth" situations |
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| 16:02.52 | HelloShitty | I want to create a sparse file to act as a volume so that I can encrypt is and mount it whenever I need to access to its contents |
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| 16:06.18 | stressedoutcat | ah, in that case... there's no need for partitions IMHO |
| 16:06.18 | HelloShitty | So I have created this test.img file with dd |
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| 16:06.19 | HelloShitty | and I tried to format it wih LUKS and add it a secret-key file |
| 16:06.19 | HelloShitty | but then, after openning the evice with luksOpen e couldn't mount it in some other folder to access it |
| 16:06.19 | greycat | I don't know anything about LUKS but a file system in a file, mounted via loopback, generally would not use a disklabel or partitions. |
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| 16:06.19 | HelloShitty | it said something like the file having bad blocks or sector 0 or something like that |
| 16:06.19 | HelloShitty | I'm not using loopback with LUKS |
| 16:06.19 | HelloShitty | I used with tcplay before |
| 16:06.19 | HelloShitty | but now I wanted to use LUKS instead of tcplay |
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| 16:06.19 | HelloShitty | Why is this endless INFO thing showing up in the channel |
| 16:06.19 | HelloShitty | ?? |
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| 16:06.20 | HelloShitty | Our messages go away in a blink of an eye |
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| 16:06.20 | greycat | I don't know what you're seeing. It could be your client's reaction to the netsplit. |
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| 16:07.00 | vlt | Hello. I need an installed Debian instance at a customer. I usually install it just by debootstrapping but now their IT guy uses "VMware 6.0" and sent me the following error: https://imgur.com/a/4Hfa7OC Rough translation: "A part of the install failed. You can try to select this part from the menu or skip it and select another one. Failed: Select software and install." Any hint I could give them? |
| 16:07.44 | lope | I've already got "PrintMotd no; PrintLastLog no; Banner none" where ; is a newline. |
| 16:07.53 | jmcnaught | vlt: which part failed? Did they try it again? |
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| 16:08.19 | greycat | lope: I believe you're looking for the pam_motd.so lines in /etc/pam.d/sshd |
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| 16:08.42 | lope | greycat, but I've got PrintMotd no ? |
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| 16:09.09 | greycat | lope: PAM has its *own* motd stuff totally different and separate from ssh's |
| 16:09.24 | lope | greycat, aaah, I seeeee. Thanks |
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| 16:11.24 | lope | how can I modify /etc/pam.d/sshd to squash the kernel info being printed upon login for a specific user? |
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| 16:14.04 | bs0d | Hi all. Added an apt repository and see a message that the repository doesn't have a Release file and is disabled by default. What do I need to do to use it? |
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| 16:16.46 | themill | The correct URL for the repo, most likely. (few details in the question means few details in any answer) |
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| 16:17.46 | bs0d | the url is correct. I found that adding deb [trusted=yes] may help, but in my case I get another error message "GPG error the following signatures are invalid" |
| 16:19.40 | bs0d | will try with --allow-unauthenticated |
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| 16:20.21 | themill | Real commands and real output are likely to be useful. |
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| 16:22.23 | vlt | jmcnaught: Unfortunately I don't know. They only sent me the screenshot I linked (and treid to translate). |
| 16:23.05 | vlt | jmcnaught: I have never used the graphical installer, so have no idea if what they're seeing there is from Debian or some VMware window. |
| 16:26.40 | jmcnaught | vlt: the graphical installer asks the exact same questions as the text-mode installer. That thumbnail you posted looks like a message from the debian installer, but I can't read it. Tell your colleague to try that step again and if it fails to provide more information. |
| 16:27.26 | vlt | jmcnaught: Thank you, I'll do that. |
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| 16:31.16 | jelly-home | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 16:31.16 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 16:31.17 | jelly-home | dpkg: ping |
| 16:31.19 | jelly-home | dselect, basic apt troubleshooting |
| 16:31.19 | dselect | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 16:32.55 | annadane | i saw dpkg post that, though? |
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| 16:38.20 | gedia | hello all, i'm in the process of setting up a private repo using rerepro, but what I don't understand is, is there a way of having packages signed by more than one user in it? what's the usual practice here if there are more than one maintainers for packages served by a repo? |
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| 16:56.34 | AlexPortable | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-updates/InRelease Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-amd64/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
| 16:56.54 | jmcnaught | !jessie-updates |
| 16:56.55 | dpkg | jessie-updates was a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates were included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <jessie/updates> which is for <security> updates. jessie-updates has been unsupported since 2018-05-17. |
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| 16:57.05 | jmcnaught | AlexPortable: ^^ it doesn't exist anymore |
| 16:57.17 | jmcnaught | might be a good time to upgrade to stretch, if you can |
| 16:57.23 | AlexPortable | that's what im trying to do |
| 16:57.51 | AlexPortable | i want to upgrade to debian 10, but can't reinstall |
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| 16:58.11 | AlexPortable | is there something similar that lets me do a reinstall on the os itself? |
| 16:59.00 | greycat | If you're on jessie now, you just need to upgrade to stretch first, and then to buster. |
| 16:59.06 | AlexPortable | how do i do that? |
| 16:59.19 | greycat | dpkg, jessie->stretch |
| 16:59.19 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
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| 17:15.05 | vivo | Hey, i was trying to do a check disk with gnome-disk on my external drive. But when i bring up the drive, smart tests arent available. |
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| 17:18.54 | AlexPortable | ssh timed out during dist-upgrade. how do i continue the session now? |
| 17:19.20 | greycat | If you ran it inside tmux or screen, which is THE recommendation for remote upgrades, you just reattach to that tmux or screen session. |
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| 17:32.26 | hamersaw | with the most recent update of vim (vim-common, etc) my syntax highlighting isn't working anymore. is anyone else experiencing this? |
| 17:32.33 | hamersaw | running stretch |
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| 18:18.01 | factor | Does Debian have any plans to remove 32bit libs like Ubuntu. |
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| 18:18.26 | greycat | no |
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| 18:18.51 | factor | that would be good, since I have 32bit games still. |
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| 18:19.31 | greycat | Oh gods, I just realized. This means we're going to get an influx of disgruntled ex-Ubuntu users in here. |
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| 18:19.46 | factor | heh |
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| 18:19.54 | factor | Maybe. |
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| 18:24.23 | jhutchins_wk | ... with old machines. That'll be fun. |
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| 18:27.54 | themill | Perfect combination of "I want the newest shiniest" and "I want an arch that was obsolete two decades ago" |
| 18:28.29 | greycat | One group with old machines, one group running proprietary software that's only available in i386 binaries. |
| 18:31.23 | annadane | they can learn to run NetBSD instead :P |
| 18:31.29 | annadane | leave debian alone! |
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| 18:33.39 | annadane | geez, the netbsd iso is over 3x the size of a debian netinstall |
| 18:34.16 | greycat | The netinstall is intentionally minimal and expects you to have an Internet connection to get the rest of the Standard packages. |
| 18:34.43 | greycat | Well, maybe not Standard precisely, but it expects you to download *some* stuff during install. |
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| 18:35.27 | themill | I think the "old machine" set is likely to be ∅, really. |
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| 18:36.02 | greycat | among the Ubuntus, you're probably correct |
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| 18:43.16 | jhutchins_wk | They probably just won't upgrade. |
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| 18:52.56 | gfp76 | I missed the beginning, what ? |
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| 18:56.16 | annadane | we were talking about disgruntled ubuntu users switching to debian because ubuntu is dropping i386 and i jokingly said "use netbsd (which has support for all kinds of architectures), leave debian alone" |
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| 19:02.16 | Habbie | they could |
| 19:02.18 | Habbie | but they really shouldn't |
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| 19:26.27 | f8e3 | i have so many questions on pdftk, where do i ask this more debian software like things? |
| 19:26.38 | f8e3 | (rather than os tiself) |
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| 19:28.25 | petn-randall | greycat: Less than 1% of all Ubuntu users have i386 installed. |
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| 19:32.58 | f8e3 | Kenzie98 can you maybe help me get things going? |
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| 19:43.29 | horribleprogram | f8e3: I'm seriously convinced that aliens have given us electronic technology |
| 19:43.59 | horribleprogram | f8e3: how did we go from 8086 to i9-9900k so fast |
| 19:44.10 | f8e3 | how about: does pdftk help against malware? if i burst and merge again, the JS or whats init shouldbe gone right? |
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| 19:49.17 | horribleprogram | You can't tar -t a .deb? |
| 19:49.28 | greycat | a .deb is an ar(1) archive |
| 19:49.43 | horribleprogram | greycat: interesting |
| 19:49.46 | horribleprogram | What's the difference? |
| 19:49.50 | greycat | because clearly involving two separate archiver programs was the Best Decision |
| 19:49.50 | Habbie | and one of the contents of that archive is a (xzipped) tar i think |
| 19:49.59 | greycat | Habbie: correct |
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| 19:50.04 | Habbie | horribleprogram, it's like .zip vs .rar - just different technologies |
| 19:50.12 | Habbie | horribleprogram, but specifically ar allows adding and removing files later |
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| 19:50.22 | Habbie | horribleprogram, not that it matters one bit in this case, but it's a core difference between ar and tar |
| 19:50.24 | horribleprogram | No I think ar just puts files together |
| 19:50.24 | jhutchins_wk | ar and tar are WAY pre-debian. |
| 19:50.39 | Habbie | jhutchins_wk, yes, but the choice of using both here is a debian choice |
| 19:50.43 | horribleprogram | tar saves more metadata, I'm pretty sure |
| 19:50.55 | Habbie | oh yes |
| 19:51.03 | jhutchins_wk | Habbie: I think you'll find them in just about every distro. |
| 19:51.19 | horribleprogram | apparently ar isn't part of the LSB anymore |
| 19:51.25 | Habbie | jhutchins_wk, i don't think i'll find 'packages are ar archives containing a few things and a tar' in just about every distro |
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| 19:52.53 | jhutchins_wk | Habbie: Rpms are cpio format, compressed with gzip - so there's another archaic archiver. |
| 19:52.58 | Habbie | oh yes |
| 19:53.11 | Habbie | i am aware :) |
| 19:53.21 | horribleprogram | there's a huge difference between compression and archiving |
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| 19:53.47 | Habbie | jhutchins_wk, plus a header, don't forget that :> |
| 19:53.49 | greycat | initrd's are cpio as well |
| 19:54.09 | Habbie | yes |
| 19:56.01 | EdePopede | don't also both programs have commands to work with the tape or was there something extra? |
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| 19:57.34 | Habbie | tar is the 'tape archive' |
| 19:57.42 | Habbie | i have no clue about any relation between cpio and tapes |
| 19:57.57 | Habbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.01 | Habbie | ok |
| 19:58.13 | Habbie | huh, apple pax is cpio too |
| 19:58.25 | greycat | pax is POSIX's reconciliation of tar & cpio |
| 19:58.32 | Habbie | oh yes |
| 19:58.34 | Habbie | i remember that from freebsd |
| 19:58.43 | Habbie | meanwhile my debian does not have pax |
| 19:58.54 | Habbie | (but i can install it) |
| 19:59.16 | greycat | That's one of the small ways Debian is not a strict POSIX operating system by default. |
| 19:59.41 | Habbie | bash as the default shell doesn't help either |
| 19:59.43 | greycat | ed(1) missing from Standard is another |
| 19:59.50 | Habbie | i indeed also do not have ed installed |
| 19:59.56 | greycat | Doesn't matter what the default end-user shell is. |
| 20:00.10 | Habbie | wait, you're right |
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| 20:00.21 | Habbie | the problem was /bin/sh pointing to bash many releases ago |
| 20:00.25 | Habbie | that actually broke things |
| 20:00.42 | greycat | dash isn't 100% pure POSIX either. That isn't its goal. |
| 20:00.46 | greycat | It's closer. |
| 20:00.51 | Habbie | at least UID is not readonly in it |
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| 20:02.10 | horribleprogram | Anyways, last compression/archiving question: A .tar.gz is a .tar archive that has been compressed with gzip after the fact? |
| 20:02.21 | EdePopede | yep |
| 20:02.31 | EdePopede | or .tgz |
| 20:02.35 | horribleprogram | kk |
| 20:02.59 | greycat | At least, that's what it's *supposed* to be. But you can name any file foo.tar.gz. |
| 20:03.52 | finn0 | I'm getting this "debian gdm3: gdm_session_set_environment_variable: assertion 'value != NULL' failed" message in syslog and wondering what is this "gdm_session_set_evironment_variable"? Can print its value? |
| 20:04.10 | greycat | It's a function inside the program. |
| 20:04.29 | horribleprogram | finn0: google that |
| 20:04.33 | horribleprogram | the error message anyways |
| 20:05.18 | greycat | In short, it means there's a bug in the program, but it caught itself before executing something that would have crashed it. |
| 20:06.14 | jhutchins_wk | horribleprogram: Extensions aren't so much a thing in *nix, you can create a tar.gz file using just tar. |
| 20:06.14 | finn0 | greycat: thanks |
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| 20:06.38 | horribleprogram | jhutchins_wk: well, tar would compress it itself |
| 20:06.59 | horribleprogram | jhutchins_wk: greycat was referring to the fact that you can name a file anything, so expect a .deb file that's just a text file and stuff |
| 20:07.06 | greycat | GNU tar has the ability to execute a pipeline to gzip (the -z option) instead of you needing to do it yourself. |
| 20:07.12 | horribleprogram | ^ |
| 20:07.13 | jhutchins_wk | You can also use tar to create anyfile.exe |
| 20:07.21 | horribleprogram | jhutchins_wk: no you can't |
| 20:07.27 | Habbie | yes you can |
| 20:07.31 | Habbie | but it would still be a tar file |
| 20:07.32 | Habbie | just named .exe |
| 20:07.36 | horribleprogram | yes |
| 20:07.42 | greycat | In traditional Unix, to make a .tar.gz compressed archive, you would use something like tar cf - foo | gzip > foo.tar.gz |
| 20:08.10 | horribleprogram | greycat: how you specify to use gzip or xz or bzip2? |
| 20:08.15 | horribleprogram | with the tar command |
| 20:08.16 | greycat | man tar |
| 20:08.20 | horribleprogram | :'( |
| 20:08.36 | EdePopede | README.deb could be either ;) |
| 20:08.38 | Habbie | horribleprogram, -z, -J, -j |
| 20:08.38 | greycat | if man pages make you sad, info tar |
| 20:08.50 | Habbie | i use man pages because info makes me sad |
| 20:09.40 | EdePopede | one of the nice things in newer tar is that it automaticalle handles the decompression method |
| 20:09.56 | EdePopede | Habbie: if it's about the program, try pinfo |
| 20:10.00 | greycat | allowing users to be dumber and dumber... |
| 20:10.11 | Habbie | greycat, not all automation is bad |
| 20:10.18 | ross` | Can someone help me? X decided to stop working, but I don't think there is a hardware issue. X was working on this computer just fine yesterday. I am getting Fatal server error: (EE) Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs for all framebuffer devices. |
| 20:10.22 | jhutchins_wk | EdePopede: ...which is a feature newer than my tar knowledge |
| 20:10.35 | Habbie | greycat, why should i have to remember to use z, J, or j based on the extension? that's a static given, that's what computers are for |
| 20:10.57 | ross` | I have a Nvidia RTX 2070 |
| 20:11.05 | horribleprogram | ross`: no one cares |
| 20:11.11 | jhutchins_wk | ross`: What release? Which kernel. |
| 20:11.14 | Habbie | EdePopede, oh that's not too bad |
| 20:11.15 | ross` | horribleprogram: .....? |
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| 20:11.27 | greycat | horribleprogram: be polite or be quiet |
| 20:11.27 | horribleprogram | ross`: I'm just jealous sorry :P |
| 20:11.34 | horribleprogram | sorry :'( |
| 20:11.51 | ross` | horribleprogram: oh, I was giving that information specifically with relevent information on X not working hehe |
| 20:12.01 | ross` | horribleprogram: I'm not just item dropping |
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| 20:12.08 | horribleprogram | lol :P |
| 20:12.26 | horribleprogram | ikik |
| 20:13.05 | ross` | 4.19.0-5 / 4.19.37-4 |
| 20:13.40 | ross` | unstable |
| 20:14.13 | EdePopede | horribleprogram: i have a GT630, if that makes you feel better ;) |
| 20:14.34 | jhutchins_wk | ross`: Sounds like a problem with the fb module, probably best to ask in |
| 20:14.38 | jhutchins_wk | !debian-next |
| 20:14.38 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:14.53 | jhutchins_wk | ross`: Can you boot to the previous kernel? |
| 20:15.03 | ross` | jhutchins_wk: probably, let me try! |
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| 20:16.43 | ross` | There were 2 alternative kernels in grub, and all of them have the same issue |
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| 20:21.15 | horribleprogram | oh I see what you mean now |
| 20:21.40 | horribleprogram | greycat: you could be like tar -cjvf archive.tar.gz foo |
| 20:21.56 | horribleprogram | it'll be compressed with bzip2 but will end up with the filename extension .tar.gz |
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| 20:22.35 | greycat | horribleprogram: yes, I'm aware of how to do it in both GNU tar and Unix tar. I figured MOST people here already knew how to do it in GNU tar. So I didn't bother stating that part. |
| 20:23.22 | greycat | And if people give their files the wrong extensions and confuse themselves, that's not my fault. People should stop doing that. |
| 20:23.35 | horribleprogram | wait how you know what tar you're using |
| 20:23.52 | horribleprogram | tar --version gives me tar (GNU tar) 1.30 |
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| 20:24.59 | horribleprogram | greycat: and yes I understand that, the point is maybe tar should except a --file=archive and then make the extension itself so it's always right |
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| 20:25.38 | greycat | maybe it should analyze all of the file and directory names you give it and choose the entire filename for you |
| 20:25.46 | greycat | and make your bed |
| 20:25.53 | greycat | and water your tulips |
| 20:26.04 | horribleprogram | yes I'd like that very much |
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| 20:34.07 | horribleprogram | is Git down for anyone? |
| 20:34.30 | Habbie | git is a piece of software |
| 20:34.32 | Habbie | what service do you mean? |
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| 20:34.35 | themill | git --version → git version 2.20.1. Nope seems to work here. |
| 20:34.49 | horribleprogram | y'all know what I meant |
| 20:34.49 | Habbie | themill, and i thought i was maybe being too snarky |
| 20:35.06 | Habbie | horribleprogram, i can assume you mean github, but i've too often been wrong in such assumptions |
| 20:35.09 | Habbie | horribleprogram, so no, i don't |
| 20:35.40 | Habbie | also github looks up from here |
| 20:38.03 | ross` | Is there an easy way to rollback all dpkg updates from an apt upgrade |
| 20:38.26 | ross` | I want to rollback to before yesterday when my kernel got updated and see if that fixes the problem |
| 20:38.41 | Habbie | i don't know if there is an easy way |
| 20:38.46 | greycat | if you only want to downgrade ONE package (a kernel), that's fairly straightforward |
| 20:38.46 | Habbie | but /var/log/dpkg.log will tell you what changed |
| 20:39.00 | greycat | !snapshot |
| 20:39.00 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 20:39.12 | greycat | retrieve the .deb from there, and install it |
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| 20:49.36 | ross` | Ugh well I reverted to the previous kernel by uninstallign the latest kernel package and that didn't fix the problem |
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| 20:50.07 | dvs | ross`, you dont have to uninstall the latest kernel to get the second latest kernel |
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| 20:51.48 | ross` | dvs: I know that |
| 20:51.59 | greycat | you do if they're both Debian packages of the same kernel ABI |
| 20:52.01 | ross` | but selecting the previous version in grub didn't fix the problem |
| 20:52.14 | horribleprogram | greycat: explain that |
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| 20:52.24 | greycat | but in this case it sounds like ross` is simply running an older kernel ABI-version-thing entirely |
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| 20:53.01 | ross` | I can't get video to work no matter what I do. Had no issues before it updated my kernel yesterday. |
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| 20:53.16 | ross` | It updated other packages as well, but I don't think any of them would have caused this issue |
| 20:54.10 | ross` | I was able to get it to Xorg -configure without crashing and I put that xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ |
| 20:54.16 | ross` | but now I get a no screens found issue |
| 20:54.39 | greycat | horribleprogram: for example, kernel package linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 version 4.19.37-2 overwrites version 4.19.37-1 and they cannot coexist |
| 20:54.53 | greycat | horribleprogram: but either one can coexist with a linux-image-4.19.0-4-amd64 |
| 20:55.27 | ross` | Yeah, and there is no way I can revert to an entire 4.19.37 version? |
| 20:55.40 | greycat | Download it from !snapshot and install it. |
| 20:56.46 | greycat | ross`: you said you were on nvidia? Did you have to build a driver? If you installed a new kernel ABI package, did you ALSO install the new corresponding headers so it can rebuild the driver for the new kernel ABI? |
| 20:57.10 | ross` | I did not try uninstalling the headers |
| 20:57.15 | ross` | maybe if I do that it will roll back |
| 20:57.21 | ross` | would I then have to re install the driver after? |
| 20:57.33 | horribleprogram | greycat: that has everything to do with the filename.... |
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| 20:59.51 | ross` | K, I uninstalled the headers |
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| 21:00.41 | greycat | I never said to remove anything, for the record. |
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| 21:01.30 | ross` | q |
| 21:01.32 | ross` | oops |
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| 21:02.14 | ross` | So is it possible with snapshots to set the versions of all of my packages to a debian version rather than 1 package at a time? I took a look at the link you sent but I'm not understanding what I should do |
| 21:02.53 | ross` | Also, does that snapshot repo include unstable |
| 21:03.11 | greycat | ... |
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| 21:06.21 | ross` | I commented out my default debian deb |
| 21:06.35 | ross` | and I addded this line and updated and upgraded |
| 21:06.43 | ross` | but it said there were 0 packages to be updated |
| 21:06.56 | ross` | deb https://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20190616T025255Z unstable main |
| 21:07.32 | Habbie | you wanted older packages |
| 21:07.35 | Habbie | upgrade won't give you older packages |
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| 21:09.37 | ross` | How do I simply set my package versions to those within a snapshot? |
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| 21:10.01 | ross` | Is there no way to do that without individually removing packages |
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| 21:11.03 | ross` | Is there a flag for some program that will have it check to see what the latest package version of each one of my installed packages is for my current set of deb repositories and to install that version and uninstall all newer versions? |
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| 21:11.38 | greycat | ross`: there isn't "a snapshot". There is a web site called snapshot.debian.org that has all of the packages in it, and you can go retrieve old packages from there if you want an old package. |
| 21:12.08 | ross` | Okay, so what you are saying is that there is no easy way to fix my problem if I don't know what broke it. |
| 21:12.34 | ross` | I can't just set my dpkg to compare with a specific repo and to set packages to the versions in that snapshot |
| 21:12.44 | ross` | I need to uninstall packages one at a time always |
| 21:13.34 | ross` | Also you mentioned something about rebuilding my video driver with the older headers |
| 21:13.52 | ross` | how exactly do I do that? would reinstalling the xserver-xorg-video-driver work |
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| 21:14.46 | greycat | NOBODY said to uninstall ANYTHING. |
| 21:15.07 | greycat | You can revert to old versions of specific packages one by one. |
| 21:15.19 | greycat | This involves INSTALLING the old version. Not UNINSTALLING anything. |
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| 21:16.12 | HelloShitty | Hi |
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| 21:16.49 | HelloShitty | Can one create a GPT label, then add new partition, then change type of partition to ext4 with fdisk? |
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| 21:17.35 | HelloShitty | I can't find ext4 type after creating GPT label |
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| 21:22.38 | ross` | where are boot messages stored? |
| 21:22.51 | ross` | There are some read [failed] messages when my system boots that disappear before I can read them |
| 21:22.55 | ross` | red* |
| 21:23.36 | jmcnaught | ross`: run journalctl |
| 21:23.39 | ross` | I don't know what to maunally put in my monitor and screen sections to get my xorg.conf working with manual settings. |
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| 21:25.11 | ross` | Okay, thanks. |
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| 21:25.45 | ross` | systemd-modules-load[389]: Error running install command for nvidia_drm |
| 21:25.50 | ross` | systemd-udevd[505]: Error running install command for nvidia |
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| 21:27.02 | greycat | Are you using an nvidia kernel module that you had to build from dkms stuff? If so, did you INSTALL (not remove!) the linux-headers-$(uname -r) package to allow it to be built for your running kernel? |
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| 21:27.30 | ross` | I don't think I had to do anything with dkms |
| 21:27.39 | ross` | I did install the right linux-headers |
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| 21:28.36 | ross` | The only other thing that did get updated was glx |
| 21:28.46 | ross` | Could that cause this kind of issue |
| 21:30.09 | Habbie | your error does not smell like glx to me, but i'm no expert at all |
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| 21:31.55 | ross` | I have very common hardware. I wish I just knew the steps of what to do in order to get xorg working in automatic mode again |
| 21:32.36 | greycat | Since it sounds like you're in unstable, the first thing you do is go to the unstable support channel.... |
| 21:33.07 | ross` | Yes, I tried that. |
| 21:34.26 | ross` | But the steps for troubleshooting a driver not loading into a kernel should be the same. Atleast to figure out if it relates to broken unstable stuff or not. |
| 21:34.33 | ross` | I wish I knew what those steps were. |
| 21:34.44 | ross` | so that way I could clearly state that my issue is with unstable |
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| 21:43.39 | jcb2016 | what is the name of the menu when you boot and everything scrolls by and says ok in green letters? |
| 21:43.57 | greycat | POST (power on self test) probably? |
| 21:44.03 | dvs | dmesg? |
| 21:44.14 | jcb2016 | dmesg dosen't give me the output of what im looking for |
| 21:44.18 | greycat | If it's before GRUB, it's the firmware/BIOS, and POST is the term often used. |
| 21:44.21 | dvs | the one where the services are coming up |
| 21:44.33 | jcb2016 | its after grub greycat |
| 21:44.33 | greycat | If it's AFTER grub, you're probably talking about old stuff (sysvinit boot messages). |
| 21:44.47 | greycat | systemd doesn't do the green [OK] thing |
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| 21:45.12 | jcb2016 | so im looking for sysvinit boot message? |
| 21:45.25 | greycat | I don't know what you're looking for. You asked a vague theoretical/historical question. |
| 21:45.34 | Habbie | the green [ok] stuff is from init |
| 21:45.37 | Habbie | either sysvinit or systemd |
| 21:45.38 | vlt | Hello. I want to install the package "texlive-tetex" but not all the "texlive-...-doc" packages that get installed automatically. How do I do this? |
| 21:45.54 | jcb2016 | it talks about my backlight not working and while im in the os the backlight always dims |
| 21:46.08 | greycat | So you're actually talking about your *current* Debian system, not a memory of the past? |
| 21:46.13 | Habbie | vlt, there is no texlive-tetex - which one did you mean? |
| 21:46.14 | greycat | And you have an actual problem you're trying to solve? |
| 21:46.32 | vlt | Habbie: Oh, sorry. It's texlive-xetex. |
| 21:46.32 | jcb2016 | yea current debian system greycat |
| 21:46.43 | greycat | Which version of Debian is it, and which init system do you use? |
| 21:46.59 | jcb2016 | greycat, debian 9.9 and i don't know what init im using |
| 21:47.15 | greycat | Well, the default in Debian 9 is systemd, so start with journalctl. |
| 21:47.18 | jcb2016 | i know i boot into X |
| 21:47.39 | greycat | The boot messages from the init system should be in journalctl's output, probably. |
| 21:47.55 | ross` | Yeah he's looking for the same thing that I as looking for. |
| 21:48.07 | ross` | Those messages of the kernel booting before you hit a TTY |
| 21:48.15 | Habbie | vlt, the doc depends appear to be indirect - but they might be 'suggestions' - i suggest finding out how to get a dependency tree that makes the required/suggests/recommended distinction |
| 21:48.18 | greycat | The *KERNEL* messages are in journalctl -k |
| 21:48.58 | Habbie | vlt, and/or trying telling apt-get to not install 'suggests' or 'recommends' - i don't have the exact options handy for you |
| 21:49.34 | jcb2016 | ok thanks all i will look |
| 21:49.41 | vlt | Habbie: I was installing it by running `apt install texlive-xetex`. I'll have a look at apt's options. Thank you. |
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| 21:50.36 | Habbie | vlt, on debian 10 i see --no-install-recommends in the apt-get manpage but not in the apt manpage, btw |
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| 21:57.19 | somiaj | Habbie: that is standard in stretch too, the apt manpage doesn't list all the options availble, just the ones most users would use. |
| 21:57.44 | Habbie | somiaj, oh |
| 21:57.47 | Habbie | somiaj, annoying |
| 21:57.47 | HelloShitty | Guys, anyone here familiar with LUKS encryption? |
| 21:57.58 | Habbie | HelloShitty, i've touched it a few times, just ask |
| 21:58.06 | HelloShitty | Habbie: nice |
| 21:58.15 | Habbie | HelloShitty, i'm not an expert |
| 21:58.25 | karlpinc | !tell HelloShitty about ask |
| 21:58.26 | HelloShitty | I'm trying to encrypt a sparse file I've just created with a key file |
| 21:58.45 | HelloShitty | but I'm not sure which key file to use here |
| 21:58.53 | HelloShitty | I have my GPG key file |
| 21:59.08 | HelloShitty | which is, as expected, composed of a public and a private key pair |
| 21:59.13 | somiaj | Habbie: well apt is mostly a front end to apt-cache, apt-get, and so no need to dupilicate the whole manpage. (apt is meant to be a more general user focused, advanced users should probably just use apt-get or understand apt is just calling apt-get) |
| 21:59.35 | HelloShitty | when providing the key file to encrypt this sparse file, should I provide the public key file or the private key file? |
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| 22:00.30 | HelloShitty | Or this is not supposed to be encrypted with a GPG like key file? |
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| 22:07.41 | finn0 | Which package does this "[drm:intel_pipe_update_end [i915]] *ERROR* Atomic update failure on pipe A (start=459165 end=459166) time 152 us, min 763, max 767, scanline start 760, end 768" bug belongs to? probably kernel. |
| 22:07.58 | somiaj | that is the kernel |
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| 22:10.15 | ross` | Okay, I think I specifically figured out what the problem is |
| 22:10.24 | ross` | systemd-modules-load[391]: modprobe: FATAL: Module nvidia-current not found in directory /lib/modules/4.19.0-4-amd64 |
| 22:10.27 | karlpinc | HelloShitty: What are you trying to do? (LUKS is for encrypting devices.) If you want to send something to someone and encrypt it, you encrypt it with their public key. They decrypt it with their private key. |
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| 22:10.36 | finn0 | Is there a way to search bug by using string(for example I want to see all bugs which contains a strings either in subject or body) in bugs.debian.org database? other than https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/linux.debian.bugs.dist. |
| 22:10.40 | ross` | how do I ensure that the correct nvidia drivers are in my active modules directly |
| 22:10.43 | ross` | directory |
| 22:11.18 | HelloShitty | karlpinc: no. I want to create a small encrypted volume so that I can save there some private data |
| 22:11.46 | HelloShitty | for instance, I encrypt a text file wihch contains info about me, for instance |
| 22:12.00 | HelloShitty | and then I'll move it into that encrypted volume |
| 22:12.33 | HelloShitty | And I was trying to encrypt that volume with a key file |
| 22:12.41 | HelloShitty | but maybe I'm misunderstanding the concept |
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| 22:13.07 | themill | finn0: bug titles yes, but not within bugs |
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| 22:13.15 | HelloShitty | I thought this keyfile could be a GPG pair of keys that woul ask me my password to decrypt the volume |
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| 22:13.28 | HelloShitty | but maybe it's not supposed to be like that |
| 22:13.59 | HelloShitty | maybe it is supposed to be more like you have a password in a file and encrypt the volume with the password inside that file |
| 22:15.38 | ross` | How do I see what files were created on my filesystem for a given package |
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| 22:18.23 | EdePopede | ross`: dpkg-query -L $package |
| 22:18.32 | zoredache | HelloShitty: probably would use cryptsetup for that, with luks or something |
| 22:18.43 | HelloShitty | :s |
| 22:18.43 | EdePopede | and then there may be config files and the like created by the install scripts |
| 22:18.47 | HelloShitty | That's what I'm using |
| 22:19.32 | zoredache | ah, didn't seen enough history I guess. |
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| 22:19.39 | HelloShitty | yeah |
| 22:19.48 | HelloShitty | I'm using LUKS to encrypt a volume |
| 22:19.56 | HelloShitty | but I was trying to encrypt it with a key file |
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| 22:20.05 | HelloShitty | but I might have misunderstood the concept |
| 22:20.19 | HelloShitty | I thought it would accept a GPG like key file |
| 22:20.25 | ross` | EdePopede: thank |
| 22:20.41 | HelloShitty | and I was asking here if I should provide the private key or the public key for this volume encryption |
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| 22:20.52 | HelloShitty | but probably this is not the way it is supposed to be made |
| 22:21.10 | HelloShitty | maybe it's just a password in a file in plaintext that should be used to encrypt the volume |
| 22:21.11 | zoredache | your 'key' file should probably just be a file full of random data, the key possibly could be encrypted, but it might require some additional steps to present the unencrypted version of the file to cryptsetup |
| 22:21.47 | HelloShitty | I know that several key files can be used |
| 22:21.52 | HelloShitty | I think I read that from man pages |
| 22:22.07 | HelloShitty | but probably not in the sense I thought it was supposed to be one |
| 22:22.13 | HelloShitty | s/one/done |
| 22:22.26 | HelloShitty | I'll investigate further tomorrow |
| 22:23.38 | EdePopede | ross`: btw, dpkg-query -S $file gives you just the opposite: the name of a package |
| 22:23.48 | ross` | cool! |
| 22:24.08 | zoredache | HelloShitty I usually just do something like `dd if=/dev/random of=/externalmedia/keyfile bs=16k count=1` for my keyfiles |
| 22:24.14 | finn0 | themill: Thanks for reply. Mail-archive of bugs (https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist%40lists.debian.org/) is working fine. |
| 22:24.35 | HelloShitty | yeah, I di that too first for testing |
| 22:24.39 | HelloShitty | but then I thought |
| 22:24.56 | HelloShitty | this is kind of the same as if I provide plain text password via terminal and memorize it |
| 22:25.06 | HelloShitty | the only difference is the lack of randomness |
| 22:25.31 | HelloShitty | that's why I thought that maybe the keyfile could be my GPG key file |
| 22:25.41 | zoredache | HelloShitty: well that is partly why I put it on external media. So it is only online when I mount the system |
| 22:25.46 | HelloShitty | but then I thought "but which one? Public or private"? |
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| 22:26.07 | HelloShitty | ok |
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| 22:26.19 | HelloShitty | I see now I minsunderstood the concept |
| 22:27.16 | zoredache | you could probably generate that random key and encrypt it with gpg, then have some kind of script that uses gpg to unencrypted and present the unencrypted version at the time you mount. |
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| 22:30.26 | mojikun | when buster comes out, can i just change the sources.list to point to buster, and apt update, apt full-upgrade? |
| 22:31.13 | horribleprogram | mojikun: what's buster? |
| 22:31.38 | mojikun | damn demian |
| 22:31.45 | mojikun | debian the new ubuntu |
| 22:31.47 | finn0 | somiaj: Can I report about a bug for which I don't have information like steps to reproduce it, what's the affect on system etc? |
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| 22:32.02 | horribleprogram | mojikun: no like what is Debian Buster? |
| 22:32.23 | mojikun | i don't understand the question |
| 22:35.13 | horribleprogram | What's the difference between Stretch and Buster? |
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| 22:35.29 | horribleprogram | the repos in the sources.list? |
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| 22:37.11 | EdePopede | horribleprogram, that's my "main" entry > deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stretch main |
| 22:37.26 | EdePopede | buster doesn't use "stretch" there of course |
| 22:38.25 | EdePopede | !codenames |
| 22:38.25 | dpkg | Debian release codenames are buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0), wheezy (7) jessie (8) stretch (9) and sid=Unstable. "lsb_release -sc" (lsb-release package) will display a Debian system's codename. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives#s-codenames |
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| 22:58.00 | annadane | mojikun, there'll be release notes |
| 22:58.19 | annadane | in *general* i guess the way is generally apt update, apt upgrade, apt dist-upgrade |
| 22:58.28 | dvs | *gasp* |
| 22:58.57 | annadane | horribleprogram, debian stretch is the current stable version and debian buster will be the next one, due to release on july 6 |
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| 23:01.57 | somiaj | finn0: the harder it is to reproduce the bug, the less like your bug report will get any traction. But you can report a bug. |
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| 23:04.32 | annadane | also you're not the first person to ask that either |
| 23:04.40 | annadane | how hard is it to google "debian buster" |
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| 23:07.05 | Henry151 | hmm... looks like i'm running 60.7.1 , thanks for the heads up. |
| 23:07.16 | Henry151 | that was wrong channel |
| 23:07.21 | Henry151 | but I have questions here too |
| 23:07.54 | Henry151 | i'm running firefox-esr and it is 60.7.1 on my debian system. Any idea when that will be upgraded to 60.7.2 ? |
| 23:08.19 | Henry151 | concerned about recent vulnerabilities patched in 60.7.2 |
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| 23:09.08 | somiaj | when the security team gets it ready, and they often work on how grave they consider the security issues. |
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| 23:09.32 | somiaj | If you have a cve for the vulns you can check the security tracker or the bug reports to see things. |
| 23:09.35 | somiaj | ,v firefox-esr |
| 23:09.36 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 60.7.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.7.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.7.0esr-1; sid: 60.7.0esr-1; stretch-security: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1 |
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| 23:10.15 | Henry151 | so it looks like i'm getting mine from stretch-security , i think |
| 23:10.37 | somiaj | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-11708 |
| 23:11.18 | somiaj | it might be soon, since they have it in sid. Sometimes they do multiple fixes at once, depending on how sever the consider the vulnability. |
| 23:11.21 | Henry151 | that's the thing i heard about and wanted to be sure i was protected from, yep. |
| 23:11.31 | finn0 | somiaj: It seems like I've figured out which package causes issue but problem is that package is not from debian offical repo. Later, I'll confirm that after uninstalling package. |
| 23:11.35 | Henry151 | cool. Sid is like "testing" right? |
| 23:11.58 | finn0 | Still, should I report a bug? |
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| 23:12.26 | somiaj | Henry151: no, sid is unstable. Anyways, just wait, the security team does keep on top of these things, but there is sometimes a delay (and as I said it often depends on how sever and impacting the vulns are) |
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| 23:12.37 | Henry151 | cool. |
| 23:13.16 | annadane | sid is always unstable. testing changes codenames depending on what the next stable is called |
| 23:13.26 | Henry151 | ok. |
| 23:13.41 | somiaj | finn0: yea, make sure it is a bug in the offical repo, and the most current version of the package. |
| 23:13.58 | Henry151 | do advanced users sometimes do something to tell their debian system, "use everything from stretch, but, for firefox-esr, use the version from sid"? |
| 23:14.14 | Henry151 | or is that just not really done. |
| 23:14.22 | ice__ | any PyQt5 pythonists in here? |
| 23:14.22 | somiaj | no, advanced users knownot to mix stable and testing/unstable. |
| 23:14.26 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 23:14.26 | dpkg | well, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 23:14.43 | Henry151 | ha |
| 23:14.52 | somiaj | Henry151: ^^ users should at least know that, and the general rule is do not install packages from testing/unstable in stable. |
| 23:14.58 | Henry151 | i've broken my debian more times than I would like to remember... I try not to anymore. |
| 23:15.35 | Henry151 | i used to always want the "state-of-the-art latest version" of everything but I finally decided I would be happier using a stable operating system |
| 23:16.16 | Henry151 | so I'm on stretch now and been very happy with it.. I'll just turn on noscript for a few weeks until they get this security fix implemented. |
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| 23:21.30 | annadane | Henry151, you're more than welcome to just download mozilla's firefox and use that |
| 23:21.40 | annadane | i downloaded the .tar and extracted it to my home directory |
| 23:21.55 | annadane | you don't have to use ESR in stable |
| 23:22.35 | Henry151 | ah, thanks annadane |
| 23:22.41 | Henry151 | i can do that easily enough. |
| 23:23.13 | annadane | ESR even breaks one of my extensions for being too old, so forget that noise |
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| 23:24.08 | Henry151 | i have been using esr for ages, i kinda forget why even.. I remember i googled "what's the difference between firefox and firefox-esr" a long time ago and whatever i read, i decided "ok i'll use esr" and i've been using it now for a couple years as my primary browser. |
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| 23:26.02 | annadane | not that using firefox from mozilla will necessarily fix the security bug you're inquiring about, if you're happy with ESR then use it |
| 23:26.06 | annadane | i'm just saying you don't have to |
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| 23:26.58 | gfp76 | gfp |
| 23:27.46 | Henry151 | i'm not going to, I'm happy enough just knowing that would be the right way to switch my firefox version (as opposed to mixing different versions of debian in my sources list or such) |
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| 23:33.57 | usney | how can I have screen and rtorrent start and system bootup together? |
| 23:34.24 | usney | how can I have screen and rtorrent start at*** system bootup together? |
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| 23:37.13 | LtL | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-11708 - this bug was fixed today in firefox 67.0.4 - I don't use firefox-esr, haven't for a long time |
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| 23:38.07 | somiaj | LtL: Correct, but firefox is not included in the debian stable repos, so those using firefox from the debian repos in stable need to wait for the security team (which seems like this is a high vuln so I expect it will be soon) |
| 23:38.34 | LtL | somiaj: correct. |
| 23:40.25 | Henry151 | phantomcircuit: debian sid (unstable) is currently using 60.7.2 |
| 23:40.32 | Henry151 | wrong room again. |
| 23:40.35 | Henry151 | ciao |
| 23:41.01 | LtL | /me says channel, not 'room.' |
| 23:41.14 | dvs | !room |
| 23:41.14 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 23:41.17 | dvs | damn |
| 23:41.20 | Henry151 | is less accurate than LtL |
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| 23:47.05 | Henry151 | so |
| 23:48.32 | Henry151 | if i did just download the latest version from mozilla, and I extracted the tar.bz2 archive somewhere, and it's now sitting there as a folder called "firefox" that's full of all kinds of different stuff |
| 23:48.56 | Henry151 | can i put a symbolic link in /usr/local/bin/ so that when i run "firefox" it will run? |
| 23:49.09 | met | ,v firefox |
| 23:49.10 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- sid: 67.0-4 |
| 23:50.09 | LtL | Henry151: get firefox from mozilla.org and unpack it ~/ |
| 23:50.52 | Henry151 | like i would imagine it would be as simple as.. ln -s /path/to/new/firefox/that/i/just/downloaded/from/mozilla.org/firefox /usr/local/bin/firefox |
| 23:51.02 | Henry151 | LtL: i did.. |
| 23:51.22 | Henry151 | i unpacked it in ~/Downloads/newest_firefox/ though |
| 23:51.33 | Henry151 | i could move it around to wherever |
| 23:51.43 | LtL | ln -s /home/$USER/firefox/firefox /home/$USER/firefox/firefox # i use home dir |
| 23:51.52 | LtL | err |
| 23:52.03 | LtL | ln -s /home/$USER/firefox/firefox /home/$USER/Desktop |
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| 23:52.31 | Henry151 | why are you putting it at /home/$USER/Desktop ? i don't understand |
| 23:53.15 | LtL | Henry151: its installed in my home dir, thats just a symlink on my desktop to launch it |
| 23:53.21 | Henry151 | oh |
| 23:53.29 | Henry151 | well i don't use my desktop that way at all |
| 23:53.46 | Henry151 | i use mod+d to open the launcher thing at the top of my screen, and type the name of the thing i want to run |
| 23:54.06 | Henry151 | usually if i want to be able to run something that way, i just put a symlink to it, in /usr/local/bin/ |
| 23:54.15 | Henry151 | but i am not sure if that will "override" the default firefox or not |
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| 23:55.00 | abrotman | !mdn |
| 23:55.00 | dpkg | For stable releases, newer versions of Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; you will want the "esr52" repository. For users of testing and unstable, updated packages are normally in <experimental>; only Extended Support Release (ESR) versions are suitable for release in <stable> so only those versions can be uploaded to unstable. As of v52, only the ESR version can be compiled for Jessie. |
| 23:55.21 | annadane | eww |
| 23:56.53 | annadane | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.07 | annadane | but AFAIK it'll share the .mozilla folder you have in $HOME |
| 23:57.18 | annadane | unless you set both up with separate profiles |
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