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| 00:48.02 | f8e3 | if i copy a file from ext4 to ntfs/fat and back. is the chmod/chown lost? or engraved in the file? |
| 00:48.18 | hawken | lost |
| 00:50.34 | f8e3 | what is compatible on win10 so i can use on both pc? |
| 00:50.49 | f8e3 | *preservering chomd/chown |
| 00:50.57 | hawken | you mean a file system? |
| 00:51.02 | hawken | or is file shares ok? |
| 00:51.06 | ksk | ehm, nothing? ntfs does not support unix permissions. |
| 00:51.24 | hawken | win10 has no filesystems with unix permissions |
| 00:51.31 | hawken | and vice versa |
| 00:51.45 | f8e3 | i mean roundtrip from deb to exfat to deb ; but preserve it |
| 00:51.52 | hawken | you can fake it through file shares like smb where the samba server honors unix modes in the background |
| 00:51.54 | f8e3 | exfat is ok win10 |
| 00:51.57 | hawken | not possible, forget it |
| 00:52.11 | hawken | you can tar archive your files if you have to pack them up |
| 00:52.17 | ksk | write the modes down, apply it later |
| 00:52.18 | f8e3 | yes, fck micrft. |
| 00:52.24 | hawken | tar -cvf files.tar files/ |
| 00:52.40 | f8e3 | ok thank you |
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| 01:08.42 | f8e3 | does tar have password, i use it since no compression (time too long) |
| 01:09.48 | ksk | nope, it does not. |
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| 01:10.33 | ksk | you can encrypt the tar though, if you want, with gpg for example. |
| 01:11.29 | Unit193 | Or `openssl enc` if the target doesn't use gpg. |
| 01:11.53 | f8e3 | aye |
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| 01:25.36 | oiaohm | f8e3: exfat stores less permission data than ntfs. |
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| 01:29.11 | usney | how do I install gerbera in debian? |
| 01:30.00 | oiaohm | f8e3: the best way to share a file system between windows and Linux is network share it. So the file storage is not infact moving between 2 operating systems. |
| 01:30.03 | ksk | ,v gerbera |
| 01:30.04 | judd | Package: gerbera on amd64 -- buster: 1.1.0+dfsg-3+b1; sid: 1.1.0+dfsg-3+b1; buster-multimedia: 1:1.3.1-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 1:1.3.1-dmo2 |
| 01:30.23 | ksk | usney: wait for buster to become stable (or upgrade to testing right now) and install it via apt |
| 01:30.29 | ksk | ,checkbackports gerbera |
| 01:30.41 | ksk | mhhm, not the trigger I looked for.. |
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| 01:31.02 | usney | I'll try testing thanks |
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| 01:31.17 | ksk | !tell usney about stretch->buster |
| 01:34.21 | annadane | for a desktop (obviously servers are a bit different) when do people like to upgrade to testing anyway, when it hits soft freeze? |
| 01:34.28 | annadane | for those doing it early |
| 01:34.44 | annadane | i realize it's entirely subjectivr |
| 01:34.45 | annadane | e |
| 01:34.50 | beardy | Good. |
| 01:35.09 | ksk | no Idea. not getting security updates in a timely fashing could be a point against going testing. |
| 01:35.19 | beardy | Yathink. |
| 01:36.00 | ksk | from a "will it break" viewpoint, I think going for it after the freeze should be fine. |
| 01:36.23 | annadane | meh i guess i'll just stay on it until release |
| 01:36.30 | annadane | on stable that is |
| 01:36.39 | ksk | If you want to make sure everything is fine, you wait for the first point release of buster to migrate.. ;) |
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| 01:41.34 | usney | ksk how can I install gerbera via backports? |
| 01:42.00 | usney | I want my system to get security updates in a timely fashion since I'll be using it as a server |
| 01:42.12 | ksk | usney: you cant, as this package is not in packports |
| 01:42.22 | usney | okay thank you |
| 01:42.31 | usney | is there a ppa for debian? |
| 01:42.37 | ksk | maybe you can create your own backport, but I am missing the right bot-triggers to give you further information |
| 01:42.47 | ksk | no, ppa is a ubuntu thingy, never use PPAs on debian. |
| 01:43.12 | cog1tar3 | ksk why not use PPA on debian? |
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| 01:43.31 | usney | https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 01:43.50 | ksk | !ppa |
| 01:43.50 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
| 01:44.10 | ksk | because it is made to fit ubuntu, not debian |
| 01:44.15 | ksk | also b) of the bots statement.. |
| 01:44.34 | magic_ninja_work | so, I just got about 50-60 gallons of water dumped on me while finishing up my pump house controls. |
| 01:45.11 | magic_ninja_work | whats up ksk |
| 01:45.15 | magic_ninja_work | Soaked my laptop. |
| 01:45.37 | magic_ninja_work | Just dried it out with a heat gun. Seems to be working okay. I need something to test it |
| 01:47.31 | magic_ninja_work | 4" main line on the pump outfeed at 60psi :) |
| 01:47.52 | usney | hey ksk I just installed lxde from tasksel in debian before I just had a commandline system. Now it has messed up my script I use to setup my wifi connection. And the wifi tools in lxde can't detect my wifi card either. Will purging lxde solve this issue? |
| 01:48.39 | usney | I am using a free software wifi usb doggie |
| 01:48.52 | magic_ninja_work | usney, the script isn't being executed. You should be able to have lxde execute the script. You can also set up a systemd unit to set it up for you. |
| 01:49.22 | usney | I run the script manually and it doesn't work |
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| 01:51.03 | ksk | without more details we cannot really tell. there is a wifi page on wiki.debian.org, I suggest you follow that. |
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| 01:53.12 | rant | force drying electronics with heat usually isnt a good idea and is more likely to cause worse damage than the water would |
| 01:55.02 | magic_ninja_work | rant, you aren't wrong man. The thing is, if this thing blows up I want it to blow up soon. |
| 01:55.21 | magic_ninja_work | So I can file an insurance claim and have the contractor buy me a new one. |
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| 01:55.50 | magic_ninja_work | I'm actually looking at what I can use to load test this thing. I want to try to blow it up tonight prime95 perhaps. |
| 01:55.55 | ksk | I heard you can put them into the oven at like 50-60°C - no warranty on that though :D |
| 01:56.42 | magic_ninja_work | I used a heat gun and got most of the moisture out. Hot enough to help evaporate, but not hot enough to cause reflow. |
| 01:56.49 | magic_ninja_work | I did melt some keys off, though. |
| 01:56.51 | magic_ninja_work | LoL |
| 01:56.52 | ksk | magic_ninja_work: to keep this channel on-topic, I kind of answered to your (personal) questions on the other network we are on ;) |
| 01:57.11 | magic_ninja_work | ksk, that is my home PC. Can you PM |
| 01:57.21 | usney | hi magic_ninja_work and ksk I fixed it |
| 01:57.23 | k-man | is there anone interested in doing a Buster release party in Sydney, Australia? |
| 01:57.25 | usney | script is working now |
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| 01:57.37 | magic_ninja_work | k-man, heck yea. You fly me there? |
| 01:57.44 | usney | magic_ninja_work, how do I use systemd to run my script automatically at boot? |
| 01:58.00 | k-man | magic_ninja_work: heck yea! just send me the money and i'll buy you the ticket |
| 01:58.11 | magic_ninja_work | usney, I'm not sure of the details. Try to google "making systemd unit" |
| 01:58.22 | magic_ninja_work | k-man, wait a minute. |
| 01:58.34 | k-man | waits patiently |
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| 02:07.12 | usney | thank you so much magic_ninja_work going to reboot my old laptop and see if the script works |
| 02:07.12 | apt | usney: no problem |
| 02:07.35 | usney | magic_ninja_work why should I use systemd over a cron job? |
| 02:08.35 | magic_ninja_work | usney, dunno why you have a wifi script, so I don't know |
| 02:09.11 | usney | magic_ninja_work I initially used a wifi script because I was using a cli only system |
| 02:09.20 | usney | going to reset it up for that btw |
| 02:09.31 | usney | going to remove the desktop environments |
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| 02:10.36 | usney | I use a cli only system because I control it via ssh from my newer computer |
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| 02:15.48 | usney | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/56316/can-i-remove-gui-from-debian |
| 02:16.08 | usney | now I removed lxde now back to command line only system |
| 02:17.08 | usney | how do I disable loading of graphics card for 3d acceleration? Because I can an error for it at bootup. |
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| 02:22.05 | ksk | usney: it should not really hurt you anyways |
| 02:22.28 | ksk | no Idea how to "disable" it - remove the hardware...? :D |
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| 02:24.12 | usney | ksk is debian cli only system suppose to have a colored bootup screen? |
| 02:25.29 | ksk | eh, I think when services start up, this is colored nowadays. |
| 02:25.43 | ksk | if you removed lxde and anythign related (like a session-manager?) you should be fine |
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| 02:27.15 | usney | ksk I tried this guide online https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/56316/can-i-remove-gui-from-debian |
| 02:27.38 | usney | not working but wait a second cause I am trying autoremove now maybe that will fix it? |
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| 02:30.33 | usney | how do I remove the graphical login prompt? |
| 02:31.16 | dvs | !nodm |
| 02:31.16 | dpkg | In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (https://github.com/spanezz/nodm). |
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| 02:35.18 | usney | nevermind I fixed it dvs |
| 02:35.25 | usney | I removed lightdm |
| 02:35.36 | beepnboop- | hello,does debian has lutris? i cant find it under sudo apt install lutris |
| 02:35.57 | dvs | ,v lutris |
| 02:35.59 | judd | No package named 'lutris' was found in amd64. |
| 02:36.01 | dvs | nope |
| 02:36.08 | beepnboop- | ... |
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| 03:18.21 | usney | magic_ninja, systemd doesn't work I used a crontab job instead that works |
| 03:19.08 | somiaj | !nodm |
| 03:19.09 | dpkg | In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (https://github.com/spanezz/nodm). |
| 03:19.34 | dvs | somiaj, repeater! ;-) |
| 03:19.41 | somiaj | the first is the systemd method, the 'echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager' is also good |
| 03:19.48 | somiaj | ahh I missed that, what I get for skimming above. |
| 03:20.06 | usney | no I already removed the dm manager that problem is solved |
| 03:20.10 | usney | I have a new issue |
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| 03:20.27 | somiaj | sure there are lots of ways to do this. |
| 03:20.51 | usney | now I am trying to have a ssh server laptop that can reboot and connect to wifi automatically without user input |
| 03:21.11 | usney | because sometimes it needs to be rebooted for updates |
| 03:22.55 | usney | so when I am away from home and on a trip and want to connect to my computer I can if it reboots on me because of automatic updates |
| 03:25.08 | somiaj | look into wpa_supplicant and roammode. This is documented in /usr/share/doc/wpa-supplicant (or is it wpasupplicant) and describes how to configure it via /etc/interfaces. |
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| 03:25.43 | somiaj | well if you are only ever going to connect to a single wifi, you can do this all from /etc/network/interfaces too. Roam mode allows your machine to automtically change networks if the laptop moves. |
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| 03:28.19 | GoblinShark | hey |
| 03:28.38 | GoblinShark | is debian sid usable? |
| 03:29.01 | GoblinShark | i normally use bleeding edge distros like arch,gentoo(unstable branch),void linux etc |
| 03:29.12 | usney | yes but depends on what you want to use it for GoblinShark |
| 03:29.33 | GoblinShark | but some say those distros put more emphasis on their bleeding edge repos |
| 03:29.39 | GoblinShark | because its their main product |
| 03:29.52 | GoblinShark | whereas for debian sid is just a stepping stone to get to stable |
| 03:30.04 | GoblinShark | and therefore more unstable than say arch |
| 03:30.15 | usney | if server then probably no because it doesn't get updates quick enough from what I have heard in this chat if I remember correctly |
| 03:30.22 | somiaj | many use it, you may want to look at the debian development process and may decide testing is a bit better than sid. Also both testing and sid questions belong in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:30.24 | GoblinShark | wanted to ask someone who has used that for a while, whats their experience been like |
| 03:31.05 | somiaj | Right now due to the freeze and near release of buster, both sid and testing have lagged a bit, but once the release hits, new software will start pouring into sid again. |
| 03:31.54 | usney | I am making my own backports which should I use for the source sid or testing? |
| 03:32.23 | GoblinShark | the freeze is just for testing i think |
| 03:32.40 | GoblinShark | testing is next-stable, sid is just rolling like arch |
| 03:32.45 | GoblinShark | i dont think it ever freezes |
| 03:33.03 | dvs | GoblinShark, sure it does. Packages move from sid to testing |
| 03:33.23 | GoblinShark | alright |
| 03:33.36 | GoblinShark | also has anyone here successful used an alternate init system? |
| 03:33.45 | GoblinShark | besides the systemd default? |
| 03:33.57 | GoblinShark | i see both sysv init and openrc available in the repos |
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| 03:34.57 | jmcnaught | GoblinShark: if you want to speak to unstable users irc.oftc.net #debian-next is the place |
| 03:35.09 | GoblinShark | alright thanks |
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| 03:35.32 | usney | what is the next release calaled dvs? |
| 03:35.35 | usney | called |
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| 03:37.55 | dvs | usney, buster |
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| 04:04.47 | beepnboop- | sudo apt-get install dxvk E: Unable to locate package dxvk |
| 04:05.24 | annadane | beepnboop-, it's only in buster/sid |
| 04:05.40 | beepnboop- | what can i do then |
| 04:05.47 | annadane | ,checkbackport dxvk |
| 04:05.50 | annadane | sigh |
| 04:05.55 | annadane | judd, checkbackport dxvk |
| 04:05.58 | judd | Backporting package dxvk in sidâstretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: glslang-tools. |
| 04:06.35 | annadane | buster releases soon anyway, i guess you can maybe upgrade to it at this point, unless someone else has an idea |
| 04:06.54 | beepnboop- | whats buster |
| 04:07.18 | annadane | the next stable release of debian after stretch, the current stable release of debian |
| 04:07.48 | beepnboop- | ah, no i'll pass. i just cant live without aur |
| 04:08.02 | annadane | aur? debian is not arch... |
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| 04:08.20 | beepnboop- | i use manjaro and its so simple |
| 04:08.30 | beepnboop- | not having aur is painful |
| 04:08.35 | annadane | fair enough i guess |
| 04:09.44 | beepnboop- | lutris barely runs, steam doesn't run, discord doesn't run, and now this dxvk etc etc etc |
| 04:10.00 | beepnboop- | while all of those work in my main pc |
| 04:10.34 | beepnboop- | theres more but cant think of any right now since i almost never use my laptop |
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| 04:11.40 | beepnboop- | thx anyway |
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| 06:51.07 | tehnull | lol wut |
| 06:51.20 | tehnull | steam lutris proton discord all that works on debian |
| 06:52.01 | tehnull | I'm a total noob and I managed to get it all running no problem |
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| 07:00.44 | mspe | most of people saying debian is complicated are just disappointed people who were expecting it to work exactly like windows, without any learning curve at all |
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| 07:03.16 | tehnull | I mean it's no more complicated than any other distro |
| 07:03.23 | tehnull | is the installer a bit ancient |
| 07:03.24 | tehnull | sure |
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| 07:03.44 | tehnull | but I mean if you're at all familiar with installing linux you should be fine |
| 07:04.04 | tehnull | and only weirdos actually use the default DE anyways |
| 07:04.29 | tehnull | fun fact |
| 07:04.31 | mspe | I use the default DE ^^ |
| 07:04.45 | tehnull | arch and manjaro won't even install on this machine |
| 07:05.03 | tehnull | I know because I disto hopped for a year |
| 07:05.12 | tehnull | I really liked fedora |
| 07:05.25 | tehnull | but it's second place after debian |
| 07:05.33 | tehnull | because debian is so much more stable |
| 07:05.45 | mspe | did you ever try gentoo? |
| 07:06.15 | tehnull | no I have a girlfriend |
| 07:06.22 | mspe | lol |
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| 07:07.16 | tehnull | back when windows 7 came out I think it was |
| 07:07.22 | tehnull | I started giving it a go |
| 07:07.30 | tehnull | and I was just like fuuuuuk this lol |
| 07:08.45 | tehnull | that and slackware |
| 07:08.55 | tehnull | made me give up and learn to love win7 |
| 07:09.06 | tehnull | then win7 got the telemtry updates |
| 07:09.18 | mspe | I never distrohopped, but when I asked myself what distro I'd try if I wanted to test something else, I hesitated between arch and gentoo |
| 07:09.29 | tehnull | and I started experiencing strange out of the ordinary behavior |
| 07:09.35 | tehnull | even on fresh installs |
| 07:09.51 | tehnull | and my windows 10 surface pro 3 was just totally unusable whenever I wanted to use it |
| 07:10.13 | tehnull | so I decided once and for all I'm just totally done with windows |
| 07:10.30 | tehnull | I keep a win7 install on this machine just in case |
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| 07:10.37 | tehnull | but haven't booted to it in months |
| 07:10.42 | mspe | my favorite on my parent's windows 7 computers was the 48-72 hours windows update on fresh installs |
| 07:10.59 | tehnull | yep |
| 07:11.10 | tehnull | and if you try to use that whatever it's called tool |
| 07:11.14 | tehnull | forget what it's called |
| 07:11.25 | tehnull | to roll the updates into your install usb drive |
| 07:11.49 | tehnull | it seems to brake windows update in ways I never could entirely figure out |
| 07:11.59 | tehnull | break as well lol |
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| 07:12.26 | tehnull | my surface pro 3 |
| 07:12.49 | mspe | I start my VM with win10 less and less often |
| 07:12.55 | tehnull | I got it explicitly for when I'm flying for work |
| 07:13.10 | tehnull | and every time I'd take the damn thing out |
| 07:13.11 | mspe | back in the day, for my studies, some old ass shit didn't work without real media or IE |
| 07:13.25 | tehnull | it'd be crippled by windows updates for around an hour |
| 07:13.39 | tehnull | and by then the thing was smoking hot and half dead battery |
| 07:13.56 | mspe | windows update is the worst |
| 07:14.05 | tehnull | I was having such a bad time at the airport |
| 07:14.11 | tehnull | and just a bad day all around |
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| 07:14.25 | tehnull | and I sat down to deal with a problem I just got a text message about |
| 07:14.32 | tehnull | opened my surface |
| 07:14.36 | tehnull | FUCKED |
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| 07:15.09 | tehnull | I sorta yelled fucking hell and hucked it kinda caught up in the stressful moment not paying attention to where I was |
| 07:15.25 | tehnull | bounced off the chair across from me and survived |
| 07:15.46 | generic | I wonder why the vm actually sucks battery if there's no input |
| 07:16.25 | tehnull | but security came over and I just apologized profusely and said I'm just really stressed out and the thing screwed up on me while I need it to deal with an "emergency" |
| 07:16.33 | generic | should have a pause key :) |
| 07:17.08 | mspe | my trigger to ditch windows was different |
| 07:18.07 | mspe | MS has always been actively preventing Win7 to work booting completely from USB |
| 07:18.31 | mspe | and people were always hacking the registry to make it work despite that |
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| 07:18.55 | mspe | but once in a while, windows updates would mess with the registry to make the hacks not work again |
| 07:19.29 | mspe | I was really enjoying booting Win7 from USB so I could have one setup on an external drive working both at home and at work |
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| 07:20.17 | tehnull | yeah I still have a win7 install that boots from usb |
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| 07:20.23 | tehnull | but it doesn't get updated |
| 07:20.32 | mspe | but some day, while connected to the internet, having work for a few hours: an update made the kernel BSOD because of USB messing up |
| 07:20.53 | mspe | when I rebooted, I lost almost all the work I had done this day |
| 07:21.10 | mspe | I litteraly exploded in rage |
| 07:21.22 | tehnull | that'd do it |
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| 07:21.41 | mspe | when I got back home, I formatted all my drives in ext4, and installed Linux Mint on all my machines |
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| 07:22.00 | mspe | 3 months later, I installed Debian and wondered why I didn't do that a bunch of years earlier |
| 07:22.07 | tehnull | i use ext3 cuz I don't trust ext4 yet lol |
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| 07:22.33 | mspe | been using ext4 since 2013, never had any corruption on a single file |
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| 07:22.58 | tehnull | I had a bunch of mp3s get corrupted |
| 07:23.16 | tehnull | I can't say for 100% certainty that it was ext4 |
| 07:23.21 | tehnull | but the disks were fine |
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| 07:23.32 | tehnull | still using them in fact |
| 07:23.39 | mspe | really?! cause I did several big ass transfers along the years, with post transfer binary comparison, no single byte off |
| 07:24.01 | mspe | I'm talking migration of 1.5 TB to 2 TB and 2 TB to 4 TB drives 3/4 fulll |
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| 07:24.35 | tehnull | I just never stop seeding now |
| 07:24.41 | tehnull | that's my backup plan lol |
| 07:25.14 | tehnull | anything not torrents I have a hot backup and 3 rotating cold backups |
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| 07:27.24 | Fox | ,v libvirt |
| 07:27.25 | judd | No package named 'libvirt' was found in amd64. |
| 07:27.30 | Fox | ,v libvirt-daemon |
| 07:27.31 | judd | Package: libvirt-daemon on amd64 -- jessie: 1.2.9-9+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.2.9-9+deb8u6; stretch: 3.0.0-4+deb9u3; stretch-security: 3.0.0-4+deb9u3; buster: 5.0.0-3; sid: 5.0.0-3; experimental: 5.2.0-2 |
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| 08:02.29 | MACscr | why is one of my disks missing from blkid? http://paste.debian.net/1087540/ |
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| 08:16.08 | jolt | MACscr: Just guessing, but USB-devices are not true sata/ata devices, so they are not shown? |
| 08:16.33 | MACscr | jolt both are 2tb sata drives |
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| 08:16.42 | jolt | ah, blockid, nevermind |
| 08:16.47 | jolt | blkid |
| 08:16.59 | mighty | Hey |
| 08:17.37 | klys | hi |
| 08:17.58 | mighty | Can i able to connect to anonops in this server |
| 08:18.02 | mighty | In this app |
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| 08:25.37 | mighty | Pls tell me how i join anonops in this app |
| 08:26.29 | apollo13 | we don't even know what "this app" is |
| 08:26.49 | mighty | Mutter |
| 08:27.00 | mighty | I am using mutter in ios |
| 08:27.05 | mighty | I want to join anonops |
| 08:27.15 | apollo13 | no idea about ios, this is #debian :D |
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| 08:27.40 | mighty | https://i.imgur.com/xV6RTF2.jpg |
| 08:28.00 | mighty | I have this servers |
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| 08:28.05 | mighty | I need anon ops |
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| 08:30.19 | apollo13 | good for you, but this is #debian, not ios support ;) |
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| 08:32.30 | jolt | MACscr: At least the blkid man-page says that you should use lsblk, so maybe just do that and move on :) |
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| 08:33.15 | MACscr | jolt well i was wanting the uuid |
| 08:34.14 | jolt | MACscr: could it be an old disk that doesn't have it? You can make a new one otherwise |
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| 08:34.39 | jolt | MACscr: tune2fs -U random <dev> |
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| 08:34.59 | MACscr | jolt tried, no dice |
| 08:35.16 | jolt | MACscr: Also, only filesystems has UUIDs, not physical devices. If that makes any difference |
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| 08:35.39 | MACscr | jolt ah, that makes more sense |
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| 09:09.33 | f8e3 | mkfs.ext4: invalid blocks 'LUKS002' on device '/dev/mapper/LUKS002' |
| 09:09.45 | f8e3 | what does that mean? its fresh lusk now fresh mkfs? |
| 09:09.55 | f8e3 | yet invalid somehow |
| 09:10.13 | bs0d | Hi all. I run an installer which configures a debian package. The error message says: dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': non-native package version does not contain a revision |
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| 09:10.43 | bs0d | stackoverflow refers to the difference in version X.X.X vs X.X-X |
| 09:10.54 | bs0d | I tried different ways, but I keep getting this error |
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| 09:12.59 | f8e3 | got it , no -n |
| 09:13.15 | bs0d | here are the relevant entries in CMakeLists.txt file: https://pastebin.com/QrBckLje |
| 09:14.42 | bs0d | The problem is the last command error: dpkg-source -b . which returns code 255 |
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| 09:23.12 | Soo_Slow | is there any calendar/todo application, independent from DEs? (say, gnome-calendar wont match coz it depends on many heavy gnome packages) |
| 09:23.46 | Habbie | i use evolution but i guess that's gnome |
| 09:24.16 | azeem | thunderbird has some plugins IIRC |
| 09:24.38 | Soo_Slow | Habbie, ye, it is |
| 09:24.51 | Habbie | thunderbird is not very light either |
| 09:25.00 | Soo_Slow | true that |
| 09:25.22 | Linuxlars | whats the diffrens between the edu-testing and common testing -iso? |
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| 09:34.52 | mrtnt | How to disable core dumps in Debian 9? As Debian does not seem to use systemd-coredump, then I guess the "kernel.core_pattern=|/bin/false" kernel parameter and "* hard core 0" and "root hard core 0" in /etc/security/limits.conf are enough? |
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| 09:37.26 | Soo_Slow | calcurse looks nice, but its a terminal-based calendar application and its a bit hard to edit its todo list (coz terminal text editors are... let's say, "special") |
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| 09:50.05 | Unit193 | Dang, calcurse might be nice. Thanks! |
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| 09:52.53 | Unit193 | I currently use gcalcli, but mainly for adding events or displaying the agenda in conky. |
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| 10:00.40 | AnononA | hey all ive had to delete some files they i needed fgrep egrep and which how would i het them back |
| 10:01.06 | AnononA | dpkg reconfigure did not help |
| 10:01.06 | dpkg | AnononA: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 10:02.41 | AnononA | rootkit issue had to be sure |
| 10:03.49 | Unit193 | AnononA: You might wish to learn of rkhunter, debsums, and apt install --reinstall $pkgname |
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| 10:10.37 | AnononA | unable to locate package |
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| 10:11.46 | AnononA | i thought dpkg would of done it to is there something in the repos |
| 10:11.52 | AnononA | i can adjust safley |
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| 10:19.07 | AnononA | not fun at all i thought grep would be easy to reinstall but just says unable to locate |
| 10:21.10 | AnononA | will reinstalling grep do epreg and fgrep or not |
| 10:21.43 | AnononA | will reinstalling grep do egrep and fgrep or not |
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| 10:23.03 | azeem | AnononA: it should |
| 10:23.38 | AnononA | now i just need wich |
| 10:23.43 | AnononA | which |
| 10:23.47 | azeem | ? |
| 10:23.57 | azeem | oh that which |
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| 10:24.07 | AnononA | when you type which python it tells you which python |
| 10:24.10 | AnononA | yeah |
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| 10:25.16 | AnononA | grep reinstall worked for fgrep egrep diffrent error now its only looking for wihich |
| 10:25.26 | rany | AnononA, at this point i would reinstall your debian installation... |
| 10:25.31 | azeem | which seems to be part of debianutils |
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| 10:26.20 | azeem | but yeah, if you got rooted, best to reinstall and restore from backups |
| 10:26.33 | AnononA | azeem your a legend |
| 10:26.39 | AnononA | all done |
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| 10:27.05 | AnononA | thanks for everyones help seriously |
| 10:27.23 | AnononA | love a learning curve |
| 10:28.43 | AnononA | i duckduckgo'd reinstall for egrep fgrep and wich couldnt find anything |
| 10:29.20 | azeem | independenlty of whether a file got removed; 'dpkg -S /path/to/file' tells you which package it is/was in |
| 10:29.38 | AnononA | ok now rkhunter says 6 possible rootkits |
| 10:29.40 | AnononA | great |
| 10:29.42 | AnononA | lol |
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| 10:32.39 | AnononA | lwp-request is that for when it opens info in browser thats local |
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| 10:38.45 | Kingsy | I am using debian 9.6, however apt-cache search xdebug returns no reulsts.. how come the packafge is not available? Is there a mirror I need to add to my sources.list specifically? |
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| 10:40.29 | Kingsy | I already have deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main in my sources.list, according to debian.org that should be enough |
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| 10:41.20 | BenNZ | Kingsy: perhaps you need to update the package cache |
| 10:41.32 | Kingsy | I have, "apt update" |
| 10:41.38 | Kingsy | it says -> Package php-xdebug is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 10:41.49 | Kingsy | when I attempt to install it |
| 10:43.43 | BenNZ | Kingsy: and apt-cache search doesnt find it either |
| 10:43.48 | Kingsy | no |
| 10:44.02 | Kingsy | hmm it could be because I am using a dodgy docker contain I guess... |
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| 10:45.48 | BenNZ | Kingsy: it does list it here https://packages.debian.org/stretch/php/php-xdebug , so it should be available , altho that may not have been updated recently |
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| 11:45.17 | f8e3 | what is the 'probability' in a journaling files system like ext4 to securely '$shred' a given file so that it wasnt reorded by some firmware and is unrecoverable? |
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| 12:51.05 | rindolf | hi all! the debian buster rc1 amd64 dvd took over an hour and a half to install in a vbox vm and didnt finish. Why? |
| 12:51.58 | Habbie | rindolf, what stage took that long? were there any errors? |
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| 12:52.38 | rindolf | Habbie: the setting up the basesystem stage and no errors |
| 12:53.04 | Habbie | rindolf, it just.. stopped? |
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| 12:53.41 | rindolf | Habbie: no, just made very slow progress |
| 12:54.09 | greycat | so you manually aborted it because you felt it was going too slowly? |
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| 12:54.47 | rindolf | greycat: i suspended the vm |
| 12:56.00 | Habbie | well |
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| 12:56.05 | Habbie | now we know why it did not finish then |
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| 13:03.16 | dvs | 98 bottle of bugs on the wall? |
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| 13:03.40 | greycat | !rc bugs |
| 13:03.40 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=stretch&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 13:03.58 | greycat | should be interesting to see what gets the axe |
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| 13:04.13 | dvs | axed? They should all be fixed! |
| 13:04.22 | greycat | in an ideal world, that would be true... |
| 13:04.45 | duuuude | Hi, i have an old debian server that works fine. but sadly the hardware is about to fail. So i want to migrate an entire server to new hardware. What would be the best way of doing that? just dd the entire disc? |
| 13:04.50 | duuuude | or is there a better way? |
| 13:05.03 | dvs | or clonezilla |
| 13:05.03 | han-solo | axe to the `cutter` :) |
| 13:05.14 | greycat | I would recommend a new installation, followed by rsync-ing the data over |
| 13:06.46 | duuuude | greycat: i tought about that, but there is a very complicated email setup on that server that i got from the admin before me and re-doing that would be hard |
| 13:07.09 | duuuude | but when i dd the disc i also would get the MBR, correct? |
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| 13:07.42 | greycat | if you dd the whole disc, you get partitions on the new disk, yes, and they will be sized from the old disk, so you will likely have a crapload of space with nothing on it |
| 13:07.53 | greycat | you will also have the old metadata for file systems, fragmentation of files, etc. |
| 13:09.00 | duuuude | thats a good point, thanks! i did not think about that |
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| 13:36.16 | RoyK | anyone that knows if it's possible to setup rsyslogd to log from A to B and also from B to A without getting a loop? A bunch of years ago, with old syslog, this was a feature I liked a lot, but I don't think it's there in rsyslogd |
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| 13:54.43 | geever | Hi! Could you help me with a private deb-repo setup/apt issue here or suggest another channel? |
| 13:55.31 | han-solo | geever: https://askubuntu.com/questions/170348/how-to-create-a-local-apt-repository |
| 13:55.36 | greycat | It's on topic here. Whether anyone currently online knows the answers, you'll just have to find out by asking. |
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| 13:56.35 | greycat | (Clarification: it's on topic here if you're doing it for a Debian system, not for a "based on Debian" system.) |
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| 13:57.07 | diabel | Hello |
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| 14:01.35 | geever | Well, I think it should not matter. On the client apt-get update warns "W: Conflicting distribution: hxxp://<url> <repo> InRelease (expected <repo> but got )" I wonder if this is a client (apt/sources.list.d) or a repository issue and where to look for the error/missing configuration |
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| 14:07.01 | Neobenedict | i need some sort of solution for a bot/python program to add/remove iptables commands, any thoughts? |
| 14:07.15 | Neobenedict | specifically allow an IP address access to a service |
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| 14:11.13 | Neobenedict | i guess https://github.com/ldx/python-iptables it is then |
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| 14:24.25 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone |
| 14:25.00 | rocketmagnet | i want to program a widget that is like the clock, what libraries do i need to use ?? |
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| 14:30.05 | ksk | rocketmagnet: depends on which desktop you want to integrate it, I suppose. there are many frameworks, I know GTK for example.. |
| 14:30.21 | ksk | google "building app for $desktop" should help :P |
| 14:30.42 | greycat | "widget" is also far too vague as a description of what you're building |
| 14:30.51 | ksk | But I do think most desktops have a clock btw ;) |
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| 14:31.22 | greycat | "like the clock" raises so many questions I don't even know where to start... "which clock", " 'like' in what way", ... |
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| 14:53.40 | Freneticks | is there a way to install a package from backports and force apt to get all deps from backports to ? |
| 14:53.45 | Freneticks | -f doesnt' work |
| 14:53.57 | dvs | -f? It should be -t |
| 14:54.25 | greycat | "apt-get -t stretch-backports yourpkg" should install whatever is required |
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| 14:54.32 | Freneticks | apt -t stretch-backports install -f ffmpeg doesn't work, he try to get deps from stretch not backports |
| 14:54.39 | greycat | so? |
| 14:54.51 | Freneticks | i want he get the deps from backports not stable |
| 14:54.55 | greycat | why? |
| 14:55.10 | Freneticks | because unmet dependencies |
| 14:55.24 | Freneticks | Depends: libavcodec57 (>= 10:3.4.6) but 7:3.2.14-1~deb9u1 is to be installed |
| 14:55.47 | dvs | ,v libavcodec57 |
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| 14:55.48 | judd | Package: libavcodec57 on amd64 -- stretch: 7:3.2.12-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 7:3.2.14-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 7:3.2.14-1~deb9u1; stretch-multimedia: 10:3.3.9-dmo1+deb9u1 |
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| 14:56.28 | Freneticks | i'm looking for deb-multimedia stretch-backports |
| 14:56.38 | greycat | AHA |
| 14:56.45 | dvs | arg! |
| 14:56.46 | greycat | so it's NOT stretch-backports at all |
| 14:57.15 | greycat | no wonder everything's broken |
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| 14:57.29 | Freneticks | well they use the name "stretch-backports" ON the repo deb-multimedia |
| 14:57.38 | Freneticks | not my fault |
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| 14:57.53 | Freneticks | nothings is broken |
| 14:57.56 | dvs | Freneticks, no, it's deb-multimedia's fault |
| 14:58.08 | greycat | 10:55 Freneticks> Depends: libavcodec57 (>= 10:3.4.6) but 7:3.2.14-1~deb9u1 is to be installed |
| 14:58.17 | greycat | That is what's broken. Right there. |
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| 14:58.34 | Freneticks | greycat: of course but there is like 999 dependencies |
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| 14:58.42 | Freneticks | i'm lazy to put them all |
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| 14:58.55 | Freneticks | in pacman we have a things to say get all that shit and don't bother me |
| 14:59.05 | greycat | well, now that we know you're *actually* asking about deb-multimedia aka stretch-multimedia, we have to go and learn how *that* works... |
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| 14:59.35 | greycat | dpkg, stretch-multimedia is <reply>see deb-multimedia |
| 14:59.36 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 14:59.44 | greycat | !deb-multimedia |
| 14:59.45 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 14:59.52 | Freneticks | taught the package structure is the same as debian, sorry |
| 15:00.16 | Freneticks | okay so i will not using this things |
| 15:00.21 | Freneticks | nix my savior |
| 15:00.24 | greycat | this is shit that nobody uses and nobody knows how to support, so excuse us while we try to figure it out from scratch... |
| 15:01.10 | Freneticks | yeye no problem i will go with nix |
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| 15:01.48 | Freneticks | i like to curl | bash |
| 15:01.55 | greycat | ... |
| 15:02.01 | Freneticks | just a joke |
| 15:02.07 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 15:02.58 | greycat | googling stretch-multimedia gives me some misleading page results :-/ it seems there is a company with that name. |
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| 15:03.21 | jelly | Freneticks: please avoid joking with potentially harmful commands in a tech support channel full of users with a diverse amount of clues |
| 15:04.17 | greycat | I'm trying to find an *instructions* page on http://www.deb-multimedia.org and not having much luck yet. |
| 15:05.26 | greycat | I still believe that if the deb source is correctly added, you should *not* be seeing dependency errors. |
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| 15:06.36 | greycat | So... I guess the instructions are *not* on the FAQ page, but instead are buried in red boxes half way down the "home" page, http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ |
| 15:07.00 | Freneticks | greycat: yes that's what i followed |
| 15:07.19 | Freneticks | get the key, put the repo in sources.list, apt search find the package |
| 15:07.55 | Freneticks | I mean apt -t search |
| 15:08.34 | rocketmagnet | ksk: i'm using debian mate |
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| 15:18.39 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 15:18.39 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 15:18.41 | jelly | Freneticks: ^ |
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| 15:19.44 | transhumanist | since my problem applies to both debian and ubuntu based docker images that I am building, I will ask here in debian where the smart people are |
| 15:19.47 | transhumanist | hi! How do I tell the difference between packages required to build a piece of software (in this case cuda/opencv/darknet/darkflow) and packages required to run this group of software. I know after a compile is complete I can safely delete *dev packages but I am sure this is not fully encompassing. Is there a way to tell? trial and error is a painful process |
| 15:21.18 | greycat | If you're building "stuff" and not packages, then you're kinda on your own. You're being a traditional unix sysadmin. |
| 15:21.55 | transhumanist | oh thats not the good news I was hoping for... :-( |
| 15:23.13 | greycat | A long time ago, a bunch of people thought it was a good idea to have a "production system" which was separate from a "build system", and they didn't want any build tools (C compiler, etc.) to exist on the "production system". This is very similar to what you're doing, even though some of the reasons may differ. |
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| 15:23.57 | greycat | So you learn how to build, and then install into a staging directory, and then copy the staging directory onto the production system. You learn what programs rely on what shared libraries, and how to copy those over, etc. |
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| 15:25.07 | ksk | (tales from a grey cat) |
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| 15:27.19 | transhumanist | ok no problem, I was just hoping for a script that would scan dependency tree by examining the source code, but I guess bad news is better than non! thanks |
| 15:27.37 | jelly | if you'r building packages, the knowledge of Build Dependencies vs. run-time Depends is embedded in source packages and their binary package results, respectively |
| 15:27.50 | transhumanist | with OpenCV and cuda the amounts are just astronomical |
| 15:27.57 | greycat | right, if you're building packages, then the whole situation is entirely different |
| 15:28.35 | jelly | it other words, the package maintainer takes care of that instead of the end user |
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| 15:29.23 | greycat | I'd prefer "sys admin" over "end user" in this situation, since he's maintaining multiple systems |
| 15:29.35 | greycat | she/he |
| 15:29.43 | transhumanist | I was thinking I might be able to use apt-rdepends for it just not sure its all encompassing down to the bottom layers never used it though |
| 15:29.47 | jelly | from a pacakge maintainer PoV, sysadmin IS an end user |
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| 15:41.05 | alphazulu | is there a way to get apt to not do this: |
| 15:41.06 | alphazulu | Get:64 https://mirror.sjc02.svwh.net/debian sid/main amd64 DEP-11 Metadata [3,914 kB] |
| 15:41.06 | alphazulu | Get:65 https://mirror.sjc02.svwh.net/debian sid/main DEP-11 48x48 Icons [3,927 kB] |
| 15:41.34 | alphazulu | every time i run update it takes a long time to update Metadata and Icons |
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| 15:42.55 | Habbie | alphazulu, https://askubuntu.com/questions/823329/how-do-i-disable-fetching-of-dep-11-files |
| 15:44.09 | alphazulu | Habbie: thanks. i had to do apt remove --purge appstream |
| 15:44.13 | Habbie | ack |
| 15:44.26 | alphazulu | previously i did apt remove appstream but the --purge switch is necessary |
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| 15:47.36 | alphazulu | fin |
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| 15:49.52 | wm4 | how do I update a single package to the one in experimental, and with it _all_ packages taht depend on it or that would have to be removed to do this? "apt install -t experimental packagename" does not achieve this |
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| 15:51.38 | jelly | wm4: packages in experimental are built to work with sid only, are you running sid? |
| 15:51.44 | jelly | !experimental |
| 15:51.45 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 15:51.59 | jelly | wm4: which specific package are you talking about? |
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| 15:54.33 | wm4 | jelly: yes, I'm running unstable... I want the newer qt release |
| 15:54.37 | wm4 | so, all qt packages |
| 15:55.01 | wm4 | I tried with libqt5core5a since this is pretty central |
| 15:55.42 | jelly | you'll want to ask in |
| 15:55.44 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 15:55.44 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:55.47 | jelly | then |
| 15:56.40 | jelly | using aptitude with ... install package=version syntax would be an option |
| 15:56.49 | greycat | I've been using Debian since bo/hamm, and I can count the number of times I've installed an experimental package on the fingers of one nose |
| 15:57.51 | tehnull | well that really depends on how many fingers you can fit in your nose now doesn't it? |
| 15:58.00 | jelly | you might have not been a fan of working 3D or working 2D intel gpu, sometimes, or working nvidia drivers when you gave up on intel |
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| 15:58.44 | wm4 | no matter what I try it always wants to remove all kde packages |
| 15:58.46 | wm4 | this is crazy |
| 15:59.16 | jelly | wm4: you want to guide aptitude and tell it what you don't want removed, then ask it to try for a new solution. |
| 15:59.34 | jelly | it's an iterative process |
| 16:00.10 | jelly | also, unstable is semi-frozen so some of the stuff might really be uninstallable |
| 16:00.19 | wm4 | you mean choosen n for "accept this solution"? |
| 16:00.30 | wm4 | yes I hate that it's "frozen" currently |
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| 16:00.43 | jelly | wm4: after r rejecting some of the removals of key packages, yes |
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| 16:00.46 | wm4 | why can't they do development in some other distro |
| 16:01.27 | greycat | part of the cat-herding process is not letting the cats run into other buildings |
| 16:01.39 | jelly | wm4: I'm sure debian will accept your idea of the new and improved, completely overhauled the release process. |
| 16:01.54 | wm4 | well it's clear they can't go on like this |
| 16:02.09 | jelly | how is it clear? |
| 16:02.11 | wm4 | oftc wants registration |
| 16:02.30 | jelly | there's been like 7 or so releases over 15 years with a stable/testing/unstable process |
| 16:02.38 | greycat | yes, oftc requires you to go to their web page to register. it's a massive pain in the ass. |
| 16:02.50 | jelly | the only thing that's clear is that it works, so far |
| 16:03.05 | wm4 | and even ubuntu's current release has qt 5.12 |
| 16:03.22 | jelly | so use ubuntu |
| 16:03.38 | jelly | if it suits your purpose |
| 16:03.57 | wm4 | and I don't understand why I can't just install qt? what's so hard about this? keep in mind that this is a newer, fully ABI compatible qt release |
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| 16:04.45 | jelly | you can try making a backported build. |
| 16:05.12 | jelly | judd, checkbackport libqt5core5a --fromrelease experimental --torelease sid |
| 16:05.13 | wm4 | dear god no I'd rather kill myself than go through the package creatiuon of merely modification/building process |
| 16:05.13 | judd | Backporting package libqt5core5a in experimentalâsid/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using sid. |
| 16:05.25 | jelly | looks like it might work |
| 16:05.35 | wm4 | s/of/or |
| 16:06.34 | jelly | whining about binary package deps for builds in experimental that are KNOWN to be broken in some way won't help you achieve the goal |
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| 16:07.40 | wm4 | you mean qt actually broke ABI compat? that would go against their release process |
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| 16:09.08 | jelly | wm4: whose release process, Qt upstream or Qt/KDE Debian team? |
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| 16:09.40 | wm4 | qt upstream |
| 16:10.46 | wm4 | how exactly do I tell aptitude not to consider removing a certain package? |
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| 16:11.39 | jelly | wm4: pastebin all the stuff from !basic apt troubleshooting please, output of aptitude install... without exiting |
| 16:11.50 | jelly | and do that on #debian-next, not here |
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| 16:12.18 | wm4 | I think I'll invest my energy into switching to a better distro |
| 16:12.34 | dreamer | g68 |
| 16:12.42 | jelly | sure, pick the right tool |
| 16:12.42 | dreamer | woops |
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| 16:57.01 | jhutchins_wk | ,v grubby |
| 16:57.03 | judd | No package named 'grubby' was found in amd64. |
| 16:58.04 | jhutchins_wk | grubby looks like something I've been looking for for a long time. It can display the grub menu outside of the boot sequence so you can see what state grub is in. |
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| 17:00.12 | jhutchins_wk | Erm, no, it appears I misinterpreted. It basically is a customized grub-specific sed. |
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| 17:08.26 | savolla | is there a program like pkgfile on arch? I want to install ld-linux-x86_64 package on my armbian (rasbberry pi) |
| 17:08.40 | greycat | !armbian |
| 17:08.40 | dpkg | Armbian is a project that has pre-compiled custom Debian and Ubuntu installer images for <ARM> boards, and a small package repository with kernels, drivers, and utilities which are supported in #armbian. It is not a complete distribution, and uses unmodified Debian or Ubuntu official package repos. kernel/hw/installer/building questions: #armbian. |
| 17:09.19 | savolla | thanks |
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| 17:13.51 | rindolf | savolla: do you mean apt-file? |
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| 17:15.31 | greycat | what do you think you're going to do with an x86_64 program loader on an arm* architecture? |
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| 17:16.00 | savolla | okay here I'm chaning my question for debian. I'm trying to link an x86_64 object file with ld linker on aarch64 platform (orange-pi). because of ld is aarch64 version on my ststem I can't link x86. I need to install this package but I don't know how "ld-linux-x86_64" |
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| 17:17.20 | greycat | are you trying to cross-compile amd64 programs on an arm box? |
| 17:17.22 | savolla | greycat: porting an x86 application to arm? |
| 17:17.35 | savolla | greycat: yes |
| 17:17.49 | savolla | I'm new to this cross compile stuff and need help :P |
| 17:17.50 | greycat | what you're describing sounds incredibly wrong and backwards. if anything, most people would cross-compile arm programs on an amd64 box instead, because amd64 boxes tend to be more powerful. |
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| 17:19.41 | savolla | greycat: I need x86 version of ld. And I can't find it or don't know how to find this program in repositories. This is my main problem here. |
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| 17:19.57 | greycat | You *need* to describe what you actually want to do. |
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| 17:20.10 | greycat | ld-linux is also not ld. |
| 17:20.19 | greycat | you are VERY confused, so you need to stop and tell us what you want. |
| 17:20.51 | jelly | savolla: ld, build time linker, or ld.so / ld-linux.so //lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 that is a runtime linker, different thing? |
| 17:22.13 | jelly | savolla: installing the runtime is very easy if you're on actual Debian. "dpkg --add-architecture amd64" and "apt-get update" and "apt-get install libc6:amd64" |
| 17:22.27 | jelly | !multiarch |
| 17:22.27 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 17:22.43 | greycat | I'm not convinced that's going to do whatever it is he actually wants. |
| 17:23.21 | jelly | I have no idea what they want, but "ld-linux-x86_64" definitely sounds like ld.so |
| 17:23.26 | greycat | It is, yes. |
| 17:24.09 | greycat | I *suspect* he has an amd64 program from a third-party source and he wants to execute this program on his arm system. And somewhere along the way of his researching this, he stumbled across stuff about cross compiling and linkers and so on, and now it's all jumbled together in his head. |
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| 17:24.29 | jelly | savolla: what kind of "x86_64 object file" are you trying to link, and what's the end goal? |
| 17:24.38 | savolla | okay greycat here is what I'm trying to do. I have an object file which is produced by nasm assebmler on my x86 machine. This is my personal program that I don't want to explain what it does here. I bought orange pi which is like rasbberry pi. and it has "allwinner quadcore H5 64 bit" processor. Now I'm trying to get my x86 program to work on orange pi. But when I trying to link it with ld, it throws me the |
| 17:24.39 | savolla | following error: "relocations in generic elf (EM: 62), error adding symbols: file in wrong format" |
| 17:25.16 | greycat | If the program is written in x86 assembly language, it's not going to run on arm. You'd have to rewrite it in some other language. |
| 17:25.21 | jelly | savolla: what does "file yourprogram" say? |
| 17:25.49 | jelly | or, what's the actual file name, for a start? |
| 17:25.52 | greycat | If it's written in C, you might be able to compile it to run on the arm system. |
| 17:26.08 | jelly | and what does "file thatfile" say |
| 17:26.16 | savolla | jelly: elf 64-bit lsb relocatable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped |
| 17:26.30 | jelly | savolla: lowercase "elf"? |
| 17:26.52 | savolla | no its uppercase |
| 17:27.03 | savolla | ELF 64-bit |
| 17:27.03 | jelly | you have to be precise. |
| 17:27.16 | jelly | and what's the file name? |
| 17:27.29 | jelly | does it end with an .o or what? |
| 17:27.31 | greycat | Please wait while he thinks of a lie. |
| 17:28.06 | savolla | program.o: ELF 64-bit LSB relocatable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped |
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| 17:28.46 | savolla | greycat: this is my new lie. you like it? |
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| 17:29.21 | jelly | savolla: then you need a build time linker, not "ld-linux-x86_64". Cn you link it with an appropriate libc / stub on a native x86_64 system? |
| 17:29.35 | greycat | What is the *source* for this? If you wrote it in x86 assembly, it will never run on anything other than x86. Assembly language is the very definition of NOT portable. |
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| 17:30.03 | greycat | You'd have to emulate an x86 processor to run it on an arm processor. |
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| 17:31.27 | jelly | savolla: if you don't have an x86_64 system at hand, you could use qemu to emulate it |
| 17:32.38 | savolla | jelly: The only linker I know is ld.. I'm actually learned it from couple of tutorials and never used libc / stub or something. |
| 17:33.06 | savolla | I'm gonna try the qemu btw |
| 17:33.09 | savolla | thank you |
| 17:33.30 | greycat | The linker ld is used to join multiple object files together into one program. Like, if you write a program from two C files, foo.c and bar.c. Then you compile those into foo.o and bar.o. Then the final step is to use the linker to link foo.o and bar.o into foobar. |
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| 17:34.10 | savolla | greycat: I know that thank you |
| 17:34.27 | greycat | What language is your program written in? |
| 17:34.46 | jelly | savolla: what does "apt-cache policy binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu" say? |
| 17:35.02 | savolla | greycat: it is x86_64 assembly language |
| 17:35.50 | jelly | that'd be the package with x86-64 capable bin/ld, installable on other debian architecture |
| 17:36.10 | jelly | ,v binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu --arch aarm64 |
| 17:36.11 | judd | Package: binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu on amd64 -- buster: 2.31.1-16; sid: 2.31.1-16; experimental: 2.32-8 |
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| 17:37.01 | JordiGH | Is there a way to make dpkg install something without running postinst? |
| 17:37.02 | savolla | jelly: it says "N: Unable to locate package binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu" |
| 17:37.11 | jelly | savolla: what does "apt-cache policy" say? |
| 17:37.15 | jelly | !paste |
| 17:37.15 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 17:38.25 | savolla | thanks jelly give me a sec |
| 17:38.50 | jelly | ,v binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu --arch i386 |
| 17:38.51 | judd | Package: binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu on i386 -- jessie: 2.25-5; buster: 2.31.1-16; sid: 2.31.1-16; experimental: 2.32-8 |
| 17:38.57 | jelly | eh. |
| 17:39.20 | jelly | ready-made support for crosscompiling is spotty |
| 17:39.21 | greycat | so judd just ignores "--arch arch_I_dont_know_about"? |
| 17:39.37 | jelly | oh I did not even notice that. |
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| 17:40.00 | jelly | ,v binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu --arch armhf |
| 17:40.00 | judd | No package named 'binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu' was found in armhf. |
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| 17:41.19 | jelly | ,v binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu --arch aarch64 |
| 17:41.21 | judd | Package: binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu on amd64 -- buster: 2.31.1-16; sid: 2.31.1-16; experimental: 2.32-8 |
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| 17:41.35 | jelly | curses |
| 17:41.36 | greycat | ,v binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu --arch greycat |
| 17:41.37 | jelly | !arm |
| 17:41.38 | judd | Package: binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu on amd64 -- buster: 2.31.1-16; sid: 2.31.1-16; experimental: 2.32-8 |
| 17:41.38 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:42.13 | savolla | http://paste.debian.net/1087622/ |
| 17:42.14 | jelly | so it's called arm64 here apparently |
| 17:42.19 | jelly | ,v binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu --arch arm64 |
| 17:42.20 | judd | Package: binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu on arm64 -- buster: 2.31.1-16; sid: 2.31.1-16; experimental: 2.32-8 |
| 17:42.24 | jelly | yay |
| 17:43.19 | jelly | savolla: the build of binutils (and therefore ld command) you're looking for is not in stretch, only newer branches |
| 17:43.36 | savolla | oh.. this is great then :P |
| 17:43.51 | jelly | I wouldn't add buster repos to stretch and install it, that's a great way to mess up the installation |
| 17:44.02 | greycat | I'm confused what he would want that binutils-x86_86-linux-gnu thing for. |
| 17:44.18 | savolla | I can use docker? |
| 17:44.47 | jelly | for /usr/bin/x86_64-linux-gnu-ld |
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| 17:45.04 | jelly | which can link x86_64 ELF .o against each other |
| 17:45.24 | greycat | He apparently *has* an amd64 box and he has already assembled program.asm into program.o on the amd64 box. Now he wants to *EXECUTE* this program on the arm system. Which is going to require some kind of emulation. |
| 17:45.27 | jelly | savolla: you can debootstrap buster, I guess |
| 17:45.45 | jelly | greycat: did they say they want to execute something? |
| 17:45.56 | jelly | savolla: did you say you wanted to execute the result? |
| 17:46.21 | savolla | jelly: yes of course.. I'm sorry if this was an important info |
| 17:46.25 | greycat | 13:24 savolla> okay greycat here is what I'm trying to do. [...] Now I'm trying to get my x86 program to work on orange pi. |
| 17:47.18 | jelly | an x86_64 chroot will be helpful then. |
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| 17:47.47 | savolla | okay guys thank you for your patience. I think I'm giving up |
| 17:47.59 | jelly | to be able to use qemu-x86-64 |
| 17:48.42 | jelly | savolla: it's a lot easier to link a create an executable in a native env. than in a cross compiling env. |
| 17:49.03 | greycat | He'd have to rewrite his program in a portable language before that becomes a thing. |
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| 17:49.45 | jelly | well, binfmt and qemu-user makes it easy to run random carch linux executables on any linux |
| 17:49.49 | jelly | random arch* |
| 17:49.52 | savolla | jelly: so how can I actually compile it on qemu? I used qemu for only virtual-machines. I'm more confused now as greycat says :P |
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| 17:50.52 | jelly | savolla: two options: boot a whole emulated x86_64 system and compile and link with native tools in there, and execute there |
| 17:50.52 | savolla | should I download an iso or something? |
| 17:51.31 | jelly | its going to be maybe 100-1000x slower than an actual intel or amd, but hey. |
| 17:52.06 | savolla | umm.. orange-pi has only 1 gigs of ram :) |
| 17:52.19 | savolla | so this option is not for me then right? |
| 17:52.30 | savolla | gig* |
| 17:52.35 | savolla | :P |
| 17:52.46 | jelly | savolla: do you have access to a native intel or amd 64bit x86 system? |
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| 17:53.12 | savolla | yep. my desktop |
| 17:53.51 | jelly | savolla: then link that thing there. |
| 17:54.14 | savolla | btw greycat I could port it on arm if I knew arm assebly |
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| 17:54.29 | jelly | once you have a statically linked executable you only need qemu-x86_64 and libc6:amd64 installed to run it |
| 17:54.40 | greycat | Does it have to be written in assembly language? Why not write it in C? |
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| 17:58.55 | savolla | jelly: I installed qemu and libc6-arm64-cross packages is that okay? what should I do now? |
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| 18:00.03 | greycat | You don't want cross-anything. Link the object file into a static executable on the desktop box. Copy it over. Use what jelly said to run it in the emulator. |
| 18:00.36 | jelly | savolla: if you're on native arm64 you don't need libc6-arm64-cross |
| 18:01.40 | jelly | you already have that! |
| 18:02.42 | jelly | once you have an actual statically linked executable, enable amd64 as foreign arch and install just libc6:amd64 |
| 18:03.00 | savolla | okay I autoremoved that package. I already have the executable file on my desktop. when I bring the executable on arm what command should I issue? |
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| 18:03.19 | jelly | (because for REASONS your statically linked executable might use nss libraries from glibc) |
| 18:03.49 | jelly | savolla: then figure out how to run that one executable with qemu-x86_64 |
| 18:04.07 | savolla | allright |
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| 18:05.08 | jelly | if you're very, very lucky the executable might work without libc6:amd64 installed |
| 18:05.38 | greycat | I'm guessing he didn't call too many libc functions from his hand-written assembly language. |
| 18:06.06 | savolla | greycat: I used only syscalls |
| 18:06.18 | jelly | a single gethostby* and it's all over |
| 18:07.00 | jelly | qemu-x86_64 will emulate userspace and translate syscalls. |
| 18:07.45 | jelly | I just hope we haven't helped someone write cross-platform malware. |
| 18:08.08 | jelly | for FREE |
| 18:09.15 | greycat | if his cross-platform malware requires CPU emulation to run, I don't think it's going to be very successful |
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| 18:09.44 | jelly | qemu-x86_64 /bin/more .zshrc # wfm |
| 18:09.50 | dgp | that's to stop antivirus from detecting it |
| 18:10.41 | jelly | of course you'll have to ship qemu-x86_64 with it... |
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| 18:11.44 | jelly | and, uh, glib, pcre, and some gcc bits |
| 18:12.08 | jelly | but other than that, portable! To Linux. |
| 18:13.11 | jelly | (I installed util-linux:amd64 on my i386 installation to try that) |
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| 18:59.52 | spacejam | Hello, World! I am comming here today to find out what the "Debian Team" is doing! I was installing some fresh programs, and found that the "TorBrowser-Launcher" is not available for the stable branch of Debian. i.g. "Stretch"! Why is this? It is available for "Jesse, Old-Stable", and also for "Sid, Unstable", but not the "Main Stable"... |
| 19:00.14 | spacejam | What gives? |
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| 19:02.17 | jelly | spacejam: which package does this "TorBrowser-Launcher" belong to? |
| 19:02.30 | jelly | ,v torbrowser-launcher |
| 19:02.31 | judd | Package: torbrowser-launcher on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3; sid/contrib: 0.3.1-2 |
| 19:02.52 | jelly | !why is torbrowser-launcher not in testing |
| 19:02.52 | dpkg | torbrowser-launcher is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=torbrowser-launcher |
| 19:03.50 | jelly | judd: bug #926042 |
| 19:03.51 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/926042 in src:torbrowser-launcher (open): «torbrowser-launcher should not be included in Buster»; severity: serious; opened: 2019-03-30; last modified: 2019-05-27. |
| 19:03.54 | jelly | spacejam: ^ |
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| 19:04.38 | spacejam | It's a package all in its own. I went to the "Debian.org" and looked up the package in their package list. It shows its only available for the old stable and the unstable. |
| 19:04.43 | greycat | dpkg, cmd: tracker (.*?) is <reply>https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/$1 |
| 19:04.43 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 19:05.09 | spacejam | @judd, thats what debians site is saying |
| 19:05.21 | greycat | judd's a bot |
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| 19:05.54 | greycat | for history of why it was removed from various releases, see https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/torbrowser-launcher |
| 19:06.28 | spacejam | Oh, So it probably had a major bug? That would make a ton of since! |
| 19:06.44 | jelly | it seems to be mostly "incompatible with debian packaging policy" |
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| 19:07.19 | JordiGH | So there's your answer: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=926042 |
| 19:07.26 | JordiGH | Debian doesn't like tor-browser. |
| 19:07.35 | spacejam | How come? |
| 19:07.54 | JordiGH | rtfbr |
| 19:08.16 | JordiGH | Tor doesn't like Debian much either, talking to them. |
| 19:08.32 | JordiGH | There's often tension between packagers and upstream. |
| 19:08.46 | JordiGH | Debian is trying to build a coherent operating system. Upstream isn't. |
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| 19:08.59 | JordiGH | Different goals lead to different motivations. |
| 19:09.24 | jelly | it's not just that, it's debian does not consider a wrapper for a tor-browser installer to be a manageable task, while still keeping the same promises tor-browser does |
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| 19:11.41 | spacejam | Okay, so basically if i want to run the tor browser i have to go to the tor website and download their version of it? |
| 19:11.46 | jelly | spacejam: debian's reasons are part "we don't want to lie to you, user", part "we don't want a subpar package" and part "it's a whole lot of work that noone stepped up to do" |
| 19:12.32 | spacejam | I C! Thank you guys for your time, and your words of wisdom... |
| 19:12.54 | jelly | spacejam: you can just download it, but to be reasonably safe you HAVE to verify it and trust a long existing pgp key to really belong to Tor project. |
| 19:14.36 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 19:45.46 | rebrec | hello i am not sure to be in the right place for such question : i am looking for a tool that i would install on a server, this tool would provide a web interface that would enable me to browse an FTP as if i was using an ftp client on the server. Then if i start a download, it would store the downloaded file on the server. Does some of you know ab |
| 19:45.46 | rebrec | out such tool please ? |
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| 19:51.09 | greycat | it sounds like you're asking to run a web browser on this "server" (which is more like a jump host or something) and display it on a different workstation's display using VNC or something similar |
| 19:53.34 | rebrec | greycat i would like a full ftp web client (not a webbrowser which often only handle downloads and not uploads) and my only need is to use the FTP protocol (to move files to / from this server). using some remote access tool is not a solution for me |
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| 19:54.39 | mason | rebrec: sftp client maybe? |
| 19:54.49 | mason | rebrec: What's your desktop from which you're connecting? |
| 19:54.50 | greycat | !ftp |
| 19:54.51 | dpkg | File Transfer Protocol (FTP) is a method of moving files between systems using TCP/IP. Not secure; consider using superior protocols (sftp, rsync) for new setups. Ask me about <ftp must die>, <scp>, <sftp>. See also <ftpd>. |
| 19:55.57 | rebrec | my question is not about this, i do all through a vpn si this is really not the problem. Any tool that would work over sftp (ssl or scp) if ok too if you know some name |
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| 19:56.51 | greycat | so the problem wasn't even stated correctly. fun. |
| 19:56.56 | rebrec | mason : the device from which i want to connect to this server can either be a computer, or a smartphone |
| 19:57.55 | rebrec | greycat i wonder what was not stated correctly sorry, i tried to just explain the feature that i need in a tool, not to ask for architectural considerations on how i could find some workaround |
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| 19:58.04 | rebrec | sorry if i was not clear enough |
| 19:58.13 | greycat | For starters, you said FTP and then you reversed yourself and said "no, any protocol". |
| 19:58.26 | rebrec | they i typed it wrong |
| 19:58.40 | rebrec | my first goal is to do file transfert |
| 19:58.46 | rebrec | my goal is to connect using ftp |
| 19:59.01 | greycat | you said downloads, and then you said "no, uploads AND downloads". |
| 19:59.03 | mason | rebrec: Find an sftp client you like and I think you'll be happy. You probably don't want plain ftp. |
| 19:59.10 | rebrec | i "could" change the remote hosts i connect to so that i don't use ftp (even if my ideal solution would use ftp) |
| 19:59.33 | rebrec | mason how an sftp client would be helpful ???? |
| 19:59.42 | greycat | I'm done. *plonk* |
| 19:59.44 | mason | rebrec: It'll let you do your uploads and downloads securely. |
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| 19:59.50 | rebrec | i guess my english is not good enough, i will try ask again sorry |
| 20:01.23 | rebrec | imagine i have a server, lets say a RPI, or an OVH VPS, whatever. I have a permanent connection to it through a VPN. This server is a fileserver. I would like to be able to transfert files from other server without having to SSH into this server |
| 20:01.55 | Tenkawa | then sftp would work perfectly |
| 20:02.02 | mason | rebrec: You still need to authenticate to it. Might as well use sftp. |
| 20:03.04 | Tenkawa | it would utilize the ssh daemon and encryption and be all done.. |
| 20:03.46 | rebrec | Tenkawa mason tell me where i am wrong : let's say i want to download a file from server B to server A. And upload a file from server A to server C. i just wanna use a web interface so that i can easily browse the ftp server remotely and initiate the transfert from my phone |
| 20:04.20 | rebrec | sorry but i really wonder if my english is so bad that none of you understand what i mean really sorry lol |
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| 20:04.42 | Tenkawa | you keep asking different questions |
| 20:04.56 | rebrec | Tenkawa it's just an example |
| 20:04.57 | greycat | Tenkawa: that's why I gave up. |
| 20:05.03 | Tenkawa | you havent asked what you really want |
| 20:05.20 | rebrec | since you understand differently that what i try to explain, i try to give an example |
| 20:05.33 | Tenkawa | what is your end goal |
| 20:05.34 | cbilt | you want to move files between servers from your smartphone? basically. |
| 20:05.35 | rebrec | is my example clear enough ? |
| 20:05.46 | Tenkawa | greycat: yeah |
| 20:06.18 | mason | Okay, remote X and a graphical SFTP on the server. :P Don't know how you'll get that on your phone. |
| 20:06.31 | mason | rebrec: There's always the notion of writing some custom software to do what you want. |
| 20:06.49 | burrows | maybe you could install owncloud (or nextcloud or whatever it's called now), then mount the different servers on your new owncloud website |
| 20:07.01 | miskatonic | why is this debian-specific? |
| 20:07.03 | rebrec | ok my goal is : to connect to server A through a web interface (so it's easy from a phone, or my home computer) and then be able to download or upload files to/from server A to some other place through FTP protocol (or sftp or scp if you like it better) |
| 20:07.21 | Tenkawa | miskatonic: its sounding very not |
| 20:08.01 | cbilt | plot twist: he's running arch on all servers |
| 20:08.04 | rebrec | miskatonic my first word were : "hello i am not sure to be in the right place for such question " |
| 20:08.09 | rebrec | this is not debian specific |
| 20:08.16 | Tenkawa | oh boy |
| 20:08.20 | mason | rebrec: Another option - you can do all this from your phone if you have an employee. |
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| 20:10.02 | rebrec | mason you are right thanks for kidding me, my question was not clear as your answered proove me, but i think saying "i don't know" instead of jokes would be more efficient but this is perhaps not a problem in this channel... |
| 20:10.30 | rebrec | thanks for your attentions anyway |
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| 20:11.23 | mason | rebrec: My answer suggesting a graphical SFTP over remote X is probably your best bet for what you're describing. Dead serious. You'll find this after digging around for a while. |
| 20:11.32 | mason | But it's unrelated to Debian really. |
| 20:11.49 | greycat | My proposal of running a web browser over VNC was already shot down. |
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| 20:12.22 | mason | greycat: That wouldn't do his "I want to trigger a move from the remote to a third server" trick. |
| 20:12.37 | mason | greycat: He'd need to write something custom for that. |
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| 20:13.30 | greycat | the initial question was "I have an intermediate box that can connect to an FTP server, and I want to use a web browser to tell the intermediate box to download files from the FTP server and store said files on said intermediate box" |
| 20:13.57 | greycat | running the web browser on the intermediate box over VNC seemed like the best fit |
| 20:14.35 | rebrec | mason that's enough thanks, it was a really basic question either one of you guys know of a tool like this or not, implementing it is a solution i could consider but first i prefered to ask (and search on the web) thanks anyway for your help and sorry for asking in #debian, i was looking for linux guys and though that people in here could *know* if |
| 20:14.36 | rebrec | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:15.03 | cbilt | maybe #linux |
| 20:15.08 | rebrec | greycat i won't install X just for this but thanks |
| 20:15.27 | rebrec | i don't think a lot of sysadmins ave an X server running on their servers anyways |
| 20:15.41 | rebrec | cbilt thanks i will give it a try |
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| 20:15.46 | Tenkawa | actually most of us do |
| 20:16.03 | rebrec | Tenkawa servers ? not workstations ? |
| 20:16.49 | Tenkawa | I do.. even if its for local use only |
| 20:17.01 | Tenkawa | very useful |
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| 20:17.41 | Tenkawa | and never know when you might need the libraries and headers |
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| 20:17.58 | rebrec | ok... i guess you have a need in running X on a server because, else, some people suggesting me to use a Secure protocol would certainly tell you that you increase your attack surface ;) |
| 20:18.19 | rebrec | thanks again for your help |
| 20:18.36 | Tenkawa | np.. good luck |
| 20:18.40 | qwebirc95665 | hi, how can i see a full output of a "systemctl start service" as if i would start the something like ./test.sh |
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| 20:19.13 | greycat | journalctl -u your.service |
| 20:19.42 | greycat | or did you mean, see the log in real time? |
| 20:19.57 | qwebirc95665 | if thats possible, yes |
| 20:19.58 | greycat | there's journalctl --follow for that |
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| 20:22.03 | jhutchins_wk | Tenkawa: There might be some who have X on servers, but most of the professionals I know manage thousands of servers without it. |
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| 20:22.41 | greycat | X on a server is a really unusual setup |
| 20:23.28 | greycat | even more so if you call a container a server |
| 20:23.32 | jhutchins_wk | Oracle has some things that need X, but they can forward. |
| 20:23.56 | qwebirc95665 | greycat: how can i see more logs that that? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Q7RF7gfhjg/ |
| 20:23.58 | jhutchins_wk | Containers on a server are also creepy. |
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| 20:24.58 | Tenkawa | jhutchins_wk: yeah but the work "I" do needs headers, libraries, and a lot of consistency across nodes so it helps. |
| 20:24.58 | jhutchins_wk | Tenkawa: Server sofware doesn't need X libraries or headers. |
| 20:25.12 | Tenkawa | jhutchins_wk: compiling does |
| 20:25.27 | jhutchins_wk | Tenkawa: No, that's no excuse. If you're building software you still don't need the interface. |
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| 20:25.40 | greycat | there are some setups where running xterm on a server, over ssh with X11 forwarding, would make sense |
| 20:25.45 | Tenkawa | I didnt say I needed the interface |
| 20:25.55 | greycat | the server wouldn't have an X server installed, but it could have X client apps |
| 20:25.55 | Tenkawa | or did i |
| 20:26.03 | Tenkawa | if I did. oops |
| 20:26.21 | jhutchins_wk | It's implied if you say "install X" that you mean install the whole thing. |
| 20:26.23 | Tenkawa | I still prefer having it |
| 20:26.50 | Tenkawa | If configured properly its very useful |
| 20:26.51 | rebrec | greycat without an X Server, are you sure you can have a remote XSession ? |
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| 20:27.10 | jhutchins_wk | rebrec: Yes. |
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| 20:27.22 | jhutchins_wk | rebrec: You need a couple of basic packages, but not the server. |
| 20:27.30 | jhutchins_wk | rebrec: The server is where the display is. |
| 20:27.31 | mason | rebrec: You don't run an X server on your server. But I think I'm done too, as you're disregarding all the suggestions that would solve this. |
| 20:27.32 | rebrec | ok |
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| 20:27.49 | rebrec | ?? |
| 20:28.11 | jhutchins_wk | I usually just install xclock and it pulls in the required package. |
| 20:28.13 | rebrec | mason no offense, really |
| 20:28.45 | jhutchins_wk | There's only one condition where you need a GUI to build software. You're building on Windows. |
| 20:29.31 | qwebirc95665 | how can i see where a systemctl service crashes? |
| 20:29.35 | mason | jhutchins_wk: I have a murky recollection of some Oracle thing that needed... oh, it's already been mentioned. |
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| 20:29.50 | mason | qwebirc95665: systemctl status <foo> |
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| 20:30.04 | mason | or journalctl -xe or ... |
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| 20:32.49 | qwebirc95665 | does the service crash on the line with (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) at the end? if yes then it crashes on Process: 8286 ExecStop=/usr/bin/.... |
| 20:33.10 | greycat | status=1 tells you that the process exited with status code 1, nothing more |
| 20:33.33 | greycat | as for *why* the process exited, you can read its logs and hope that there is some clue in them |
| 20:33.39 | qwebirc95665 | but why does he even execute the ExecStop= part |
| 20:34.16 | greycat | ExecStop= is documented in systemd.service(5) |
| 20:34.22 | qwebirc95665 | the gameserver itself dont write log at this time, i think the startup command dont even get called |
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| 20:35.33 | greycat | My understanding is that the command given in ExecStop= is only run when someone *asks* for it to be run, by doing systemctl stop your.service or similar. |
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| 20:38.41 | mojikun | does debian in its packages provide service files for sysv init besides systemd? |
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| 20:38.52 | greycat | for some packages, yes |
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| 20:39.12 | greycat | probably the majority of packages that people really care about |
| 20:39.14 | mojikun | i see sys v init in the repos. if i were to switch to sysv init, would the relative service files be available in my system? |
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| 20:39.24 | mojikun | to symlink and use as normal |
| 20:39.29 | greycat | the short answer is "probably". |
| 20:39.39 | mojikun | and the same question also for openrc |
| 20:39.40 | greycat | to be absolutely certain, you'd need to check each service one by one |
| 20:39.53 | mojikun | openrc used to use sysv init style scripts |
| 20:39.55 | greycat | I don't know openrc yet. |
| 20:40.07 | mojikun | not sure now with their own openrc-init if you provide the appropriate service files |
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| 20:45.11 | mojikun | openrc-init uses the same service files as sysv init |
| 20:45.17 | mojikun | thats what they told me on gentoo |
| 20:45.26 | greycat | that sounds horrible |
| 20:45.27 | mojikun | so i can use that too in debian probably |
| 20:45.33 | mojikun | why? |
| 20:45.49 | mojikun | i think openrc-init is just a rewrite |
| 20:45.59 | greycat | The whole point of changing the init system is to NOT have to use wacky jury-rigged shell scripts and PID files and start-stop-daemon wrappers and and and .... |
| 20:46.39 | greycat | Now, if openrc can translate systemd unit files and use *those*, then we're talking. |
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| 20:47.00 | greycat | (I think nosh is something along those lines, but I haven't dug into it.) |
| 20:47.13 | mason | greycat: I was previously under the impression that OpenRC was mostly shell scripts, but it's not. Declarative, just like systemd. The differences are mainly scope. |
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| 20:48.45 | mojikun | iamben> mojikun: sysvinit & openrc-init do very little of the work on openrc. but no, openrc cannot use systemd units. |
| 20:48.45 | mojikun | <iamben> sysvinit & openrc-init do not do anything related to service files or configs |
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| 20:50.17 | greycat | at this point I'm content to continue learning systemd... if openrc or nosh or something else actually starts to gain traction, then I'll reevaluate |
| 20:50.19 | mojikun | maybe i should look more into runit (although it seems even more simplistic than openrc) or s6 init |
| 20:50.29 | mojikun | i want something simple in general and more unixy |
| 20:50.55 | mojikun | (used to like bsd style inits of archlinux in the past, but thats too primitive) |
| 20:52.08 | qwebirc95665 | could someone look over my unit file für systemd if i made somewhere a obv. mistake? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WrWNmtMvg8/ |
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| 20:57.12 | andre | hey, is this the right place to ask about apache problems? |
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| 21:01.07 | andre | Since I upgraded from Apache 2.2 to Apache 2.4, I have problems with my virtual hosts. I decided to downgrade to 2.2 to solve the problems, but even after searching the net I cannot find a way to do it. |
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| 21:04.41 | greycat | Debian's Apache 2.4 requires that you follow a different naming convention with your sites-available config files. |
| 21:04.51 | greycat | they have to end with ".conf" |
| 21:06.06 | andre | We did that, but we have several prorts within the config file, the :80 port works just fine, the other 5 don't |
| 21:06.13 | andre | ports* |
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| 21:11.34 | karlpinc | andre: Reading this might help: zless /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz |
| 21:11.44 | usney | how do I use ifconfig or iwconfig in debian testing what's the new command? |
| 21:12.29 | karlpinc | andre: Also, if you want actual help we'd need to see the config and the logs. |
| 21:13.08 | andre | I can provide you with the config file but the error logs from apache2 and from the virtualhosts are almost empty. |
| 21:13.17 | karlpinc | andre: The output of "ss -ltn" would also prove the ports are not open. |
| 21:13.34 | greycat | usney: "ip link" or "ip addr" for the basics. |
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| 21:14.03 | nerditup | "iw" as well |
| 21:14.43 | usney | iw doesn't work nerditup |
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| 21:15.52 | nerditup | iw dev? |
| 21:16.24 | usney | thank you greycat now to go to my next issue. how do I have a systemd script run right after everything else has been booted? |
| 21:17.28 | qwebirc95665 | usney i use "After=network.target" |
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| 21:18.48 | usney | the systemd script is for connecting to wifi I am using a cli system btw no gui. I need it to connect to wifi after everything has booted and that I don't have to have a user login to have it load like with a crontab. |
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| 21:19.39 | nerditup | usney: are you using `wpa_supplicant`? |
| 21:19.42 | seekr | Can anyone advise me on accessing encrypted file systems created using cryptoloop? |
| 21:19.45 | usney | yes nerditup |
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| 21:20.02 | andre | This is the apache2.conf: https://pastebin.com/gs9DqWRP This is 000-default.conf: https://pastebin.com/vDX6dhXj The first virtual host 80 is working while the others are not. |
| 21:20.38 | andre | This is the output of ss -ltn: https://pastebin.com/pHgqEsBs |
| 21:21.37 | usney | I want it setup like this because it is just a personal use server so I don't need to have it up and running 24/7 so it can reboot when it gets updates. |
| 21:21.39 | nerditup | If you use `wpa_passphrase` to generate a configuration file for your device/SSID (i.e. /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant-wlp58s0.conf) then you are able to enable it at startup with systemctl enable wpa_supplicant@wlp58s0 |
| 21:21.56 | nerditup | Where wlp58s0 is your device name |
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| 21:22.35 | usney | yes my device name differs obviously I'll try that thank you nerditup |
| 21:23.10 | andre | karlpinc: do you think there might be a problem with the reverse proxies? |
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| 21:26.38 | qwebirc95665 | is it normal that in journalctl are many lines about anacron.timer: Adding 1min 44.259238s random time.? https://pastebin.com/x9rsLXJP |
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| 21:30.01 | savolla | jelly: after all failing, I decided to learn arm assembly :P |
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| 21:31.01 | jmcnaught | qwebirc95665: yes that's normal |
| 21:33.31 | qwebirc95665 | jmcnaught do you know why it does that? |
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| 21:33.59 | andre | Anyone here who can help me with my apache2 problem? |
| 21:34.48 | jmcnaught | qwebirc95665: so that tasks that download (like apt-daily which runs apt update in the background) don't happen at the exact same time for every Debian system in the world, overloading servers |
| 21:35.05 | usney | nerditup what does the text layout look like? |
| 21:35.21 | usney | is there a how to guide? |
| 21:35.24 | qwebirc95665 | ah, make sense, thanks |
| 21:36.11 | jmcnaught | andre: anything relevant in the error logs of the vhosts that don't work? |
| 21:36.44 | andre | jmcnaught: The error logs are empty. |
| 21:36.55 | andre | What strikes is that the vhost with the port 80 works while the others do not. |
| 21:37.18 | andre | It stopped working when we upgraded the server from Debian Wheezy to Jessie. |
| 21:38.20 | jmcnaught | andre: do you have /etc/apache2/ports.conf, and does it have a Listen <port> line for each port you want to listen on? |
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| 21:40.12 | andre | jmcnaught: That's in the file: https://pastebin.com/AAPwRQUY I don't think so. |
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| 21:41.05 | jmcnaught | andre: I think that's your problem, try adding a Listen directive for one of the ports you use |
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| 21:43.29 | andre | Should I just add "Listen 1339" beneath Listen 80? |
| 21:43.51 | jmcnaught | yeah |
| 21:44.06 | nerditup | usney: this is what I would do for wpa_supplicant https://paste.debian.net/1087669/ |
| 21:45.06 | andre | Hey man, it worked! |
| 21:45.10 | andre | Thanks. :) |
| 21:45.17 | jmcnaught | andre: this explains it in more detail: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/bind.html glad you got it working :) |
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| 21:47.25 | usney | nerditup I just copied and pasted my script into the the conf file and it works nerditup |
| 21:48.01 | andre | jmcnaught: I'll read it, we tried to figure out the problems for days, thanks. |
| 21:48.53 | usney | just have to reset up ssh since when I upgraded it I choose to use the package maintainer's version |
| 21:51.16 | qwebirc95665 | is it possible that /run/screen canges its mode from 777 to 775 after boot automaticly? |
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| 21:52.27 | ksk | qwebirc95665: mhhm, why does it stay after reboot anyways? /run is not for persistent stuff if I remember corretly? |
| 21:53.06 | ksk | qwebirc95665: also: "eh?" - why do you "chmod 777" things - its always wrong to do so. |
| 21:54.11 | ksk | I would btw suspect, that /run/screen gets created, when a user invokes screen ;) |
| 21:54.36 | ksk | and then of course, screen would use a sane setting in its default configuration. |
| 21:55.29 | qwebirc95665 | ksk the startupscript told me to have it on 777, otherwise it woudnt work |
| 21:55.51 | ksk | it seems to be bad software then. I advise against using that. |
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| 21:57.18 | usney | loll nerditup I don't think pacman is used on debian |
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| 21:57.24 | usney | also I don't have sudo setup |
| 21:57.38 | qwebirc95665 | ksk Directory '/run/screen' must have mode 777. |
| 21:57.57 | ksk | there seem to be some pacman games available in debian ;) |
| 21:58.13 | ksk | qwebirc95665: No. Any document stating that should be avoided. |
| 21:58.16 | EdePopede | can't switch the keyboard layout in the live system on the other pc for tty. https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard doesn't work, also not the sites of that askubuntu company. |
| 21:58.30 | usney | thank you so much for letting me know where to and how to setup my script for booting it after everything else has booted. |
| 21:58.36 | ksk | EdePopede: you tried loadkeys, and have locales for that mapping? |
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| 21:59.03 | usney | now I can ssh into after it reboots from an upgrade without having to login to get the wifi connected again manually |
| 21:59.32 | EdePopede | ksk: it works in xfce, so i should have them. default live system. |
| 21:59.54 | ksk | qwebirc95665: use linux permissions or ACLs to solve that problem. for example but both user A) creating the screen, and user-B) running the software, in the same group. then the "775" will work. |
| 22:00.01 | usney | haha ksk |
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| 22:00.18 | ksk | s/but/put |
| 22:00.25 | EdePopede | ksk: i even tried some command from that site that isn't available on live. there's a menu system which asks me a lot of things but in the end it leaves me back with US |
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| 22:00.47 | ksk | EdePopede: sorry then, no Idea :/ |
| 22:00.49 | qwebirc95665 | user b is a system user, does this still work? |
| 22:00.53 | ksk | EdePopede: there is |
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| 22:01.04 | EdePopede | ksk: the file in /etc is changed, but it has no effect |
| 22:01.08 | ksk | EdePopede: there is #debian-live on oftc if I remember correctly, maybe give it a try |
| 22:01.25 | EdePopede | ksk: there's more life in Elvis than in #debian-live |
| 22:01.40 | qwebirc95665 | ksk i made the user with this command, why does he even need 777? adduser --system --shell /bin/bash --home /opt/minecraft --group minecraft |
| 22:01.42 | EdePopede | asked there something about one week ago, no reaction |
| 22:02.04 | ksk | meh. |
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| 22:02.48 | EdePopede | and i didn't have to do with those things on tty for years now |
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| 22:04.21 | qwebirc95665 | ksk is he not a root user as system |
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| 22:05.08 | nerditup | usney: glad to help! Sorry about the pacman reference, copied from a script I used for ...another distro! :D |
| 22:05.19 | ksk | qwebirc95665: no. and PLEASE NO, do not run minecraft as root :( |
| 22:05.28 | ksk | stop following shitty tutorials online. |
| 22:05.57 | usney | what's the command for ufw in debian testing? |
| 22:06.13 | usney | when I type in ufw it says command not found but it is installed |
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| 22:07.44 | webOc | anyone practical with php? i need to launch a script in debian shell using php but im not receiving the desired result so far |
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| 22:13.55 | qwebirc95665 | ksk does a setfacl persist after reboot in /run/ |
| 22:14.13 | qwebirc95665 | is that saved somewhere in linux or as atribut on the folder? |
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| 22:14.56 | nerditup | Anybody run kubernetes on Debian? |
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| 22:15.12 | dvs | !anyone |
| 22:15.13 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 22:15.31 | karlpinc | !errors |
| 22:15.32 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
| 22:15.45 | EdePopede | oh come on! /usr/share/keymaps is NOT AVAILABLE in the live system??!! |
| 22:16.10 | nerditup | I'm looking for an OS to run Kubernetes on in production, was wondering if Debian is suitable. |
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| 22:16.12 | karlpinc | EdePopede: You can always install it. (Just saying.) |
| 22:16.27 | HelloShitty | Hi peeps |
| 22:16.34 | EdePopede | all the translation files for firefox are there, full office is there. but basic tools and files are missing |
| 22:16.44 | EdePopede | karlpinc: not without network i suppose? |
| 22:16.47 | HelloShitty | How can I see which device is my SD Card? |
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| 22:17.10 | karlpinc | EdePopede: You'd have to use physical media.... |
| 22:17.53 | karlpinc | EdePopede: I'm not up on debian-live. Maybe there's another image?... |
| 22:18.21 | HelloShitty | Is it mmcblk0 the device and mmcblk0p1 the partition? |
| 22:18.51 | EdePopede | karlpinc: great idea... disconnect the external hd, connect it here, download it, disconnect again, reconnect it there, and hope that i don't have missing dependencies. and that with that piece of crap i use to connect the HD to the PC which forces me reconnecting a few times every 2nd time |
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| 22:19.53 | EdePopede | karlpinc: i guess they are also on 9.9 now with live, but i don't really care for this SNS, it is a standalone PC so i'm not really worried to get hacked there |
| 22:20.12 | EdePopede | and adding new stuff in stable, i don't think they do it |
| 22:20.54 | EdePopede | but neglecting such a basic thing on the tty is really a bad joke. i'd expect this from ubuntu, but surely not debian |
| 22:21.17 | EdePopede | as it seems there's no way to change the keyboard layout outside of the X session |
| 22:22.29 | qwebirc95665 | ksk i tried "sudo setfacl -Rdm g:minecraft:rwx /run/screen" but it still says "Directory '/run/screen' must have mode 777." in the log, what can i try? |
| 22:23.01 | karlpinc | EdePopede: Destroy their confidence with a scathing bug report. |
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| 22:25.39 | humbot | but dpkg-reconfigure console-setup and keyboard-configuration both work |
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| 22:26.02 | EdePopede | karlpinc: i'd have to find my account data first. at least i'm rather sure that i created one long time ago. only i'm not really into bug reporting. not convinced at all that such huge projects care about a report from some arbitrary user. |
| 22:26.12 | humbot | this is on debian 10 live? |
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| 22:26.39 | EdePopede | humbot: i did this menu driven thing. even T3 was available to my surprise, the file in /etc is changed, only the layout stays the same |
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| 22:27.10 | humbot | don't you have to log in again? |
| 22:27.33 | humbot | what is T3? maybe i don't really know what you're talking about :þ |
| 22:27.51 | EdePopede | may be that i selected the wrong keyboard first (it's a wireless logitech with some keys missing and a Fn key instead), but next time i reverted to std 105 keys |
| 22:28.41 | EdePopede | humbot: T3 is the successor to T2 ;) actually the modern german layout (3.5 more letters and an AltGr key) with tons of diacritics and foreign characters |
| 22:29.01 | humbot | aah, oh |
| 22:29.26 | humbot | i was sufficiently annoyed in having to use american layout when my fingers are used to the british onee |
| 22:29.38 | EdePopede | dammit. just wanted to demonstrate it and i have again the Ê» instead of ellipsis on AltGr-, |
| 22:29.52 | EdePopede | british one also has one more key iirc? |
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| 22:30.44 | EdePopede | hm, must be some problem with IBus. switched to russian and back (only installed that one to have something to change) and it works again as expected. |
| 22:32.26 | EdePopede | logging out doesn't help, neither logging in on another tty |
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| 22:36.04 | tjnycum | ,checkbackport tracker |
| 22:36.05 | judd | Backporting package tracker in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports. |
| 22:37.04 | humbot | strange as it seems, if you change something with keyboard-configuration, you must then run console-setup, even if you don't change anything there, then the first change will take effect |
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| 22:38.16 | Krennic | hmm |
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| 22:39.11 | humbot | mm-hm |
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| 22:39.29 | EdePopede | they keyboard file now looks like the one here. where it works. still doesn't on the other one :/ |
| 22:39.42 | ksk | qwebirc95665: edit "it" and remove that check. if it does such horrible things, it would not be a good idea to run this thing at all. |
| 22:40.06 | EdePopede | is there maybe a grup parameter? already have locales and timezone, so i wouldn't care about an additional one |
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| 22:46.10 | qwebirc95665 | what is "it"? systemd, java, or the minecraft.jar? |
| 22:48.17 | humbot | actually it works that way on jessie and buster |
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| 22:51.30 | majest1c | My second monitor JUSt worked, now after rebooting "xrandr" says this; https://paste.debian.net/1087670/ |
| 22:51.46 | majest1c | That it is disconnected, it is working, all cables are plugged in properly etc |
| 22:51.56 | ksk | qwebirc95665: whatever tells you to 777 /run/screen - I doubts its any of the three you named |
| 22:52.25 | ksk | qwebirc95665: also, if you are using screen, you would not use systemd, and vice versa, in a "I host a minecraft server" scenario. |
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| 22:52.59 | ksk | (systemd is the 2019 way to do things(imho)) |
| 22:53.54 | somiaj | majest1c: What is it plugged int hdmi or dvi? Do you have any monintor switch between you and the monintor? Though sometimes it can just be trouble reading the edid of the monintor (maybe buggy monintor or graphics card drivers) causing the problem. |
| 22:54.06 | somiaj | I've also have had wiggling wires make it work due to a loose connection somewhere |
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| 22:54.40 | majest1c | somiaj: It is DVI in the monitor itself and hdmi into the GPU |
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| 22:55.04 | majest1c | The wires are connected properly 100% |
| 22:55.18 | majest1c | I have tripled checked |
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| 22:55.22 | somiaj | so you have a dvi to hdmi converter? |
| 22:55.47 | majest1c | No, just a wire with DVI on one side and HDMI on the other, maybe that is equal to having a converter |
| 22:56.20 | somiaj | It is. Myabe something is wrong with the conversion so it isn't getting the edid and info from the monintor causing problems. |
| 22:56.46 | somiaj | Also wasn't questing if they were connected, I was just saying sometimes replugging it in causes the driver to reask the monintor for its info. |
| 22:57.10 | somiaj | If you hvae a dvi to dvi cable, you could try to plug the monintor into your second dvi port? |
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| 22:57.41 | majest1c | Weird, the mouse was stuck when I dragged a couple of items and I couldnt press anywhere with it. For some reason I pressed alt+ctrl+F1 and my screens turned black with the cursor on it, then I just made a hard reset on the PC to reboot since it didnt respond |
| 22:58.15 | majest1c | Then after rebooting I only had one monitor working |
| 22:58.35 | majest1c | I have tried plugging them in and out, making sure they are connected properly (the wires) |
| 22:58.40 | qwebirc95665 | ksk it seems to use screen and systemd https://pastebin.com/NqnrJZBb |
| 22:58.43 | somiaj | what kernel are you running? |
| 22:58.44 | majest1c | Also turning the screen on and off physically |
| 22:58.50 | majest1c | How do I check that? |
| 22:58.58 | somiaj | uname -a (or just what version of debian) |
| 22:59.22 | majest1c | Linux debian 4.9.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.168-1 (2019-04-12) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 22:59.50 | ksk | qwebirc95665: not that this is on scope of #debian, but when do you get the error? |
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| 23:01.37 | qwebirc95665 | if i open "sudo journalctl -xe" after "systemctl start ..." |
| 23:02.54 | qwebirc95665 | sh[1261]: Directory '/run/screen' must have mode 777. |
| 23:03.06 | ksk | qwebirc95665: the minecraft.service looks horrible. totally horrible. |
| 23:03.27 | ksk | many red flags (== things you dont do computering around) |
| 23:03.48 | qwebirc95665 | what are red flags execpt that 777 |
| 23:04.24 | ksk | qwebirc95665: Id lightly advice using that one: https://gist.github.com/nathanielc/9b98350ccbcbf21256d7 -I dont know anything about minecraft, but this one looks okayish on first glance (I googled it, it was 2nd hit or so) |
| 23:04.44 | ksk | qwebirc95665: for example, using "ls" to figure out which ".jar"-file to execute with java |
| 23:06.01 | ksk | qwebirc95665: the one I pasted uses folders like "/opt/minecraft-foo" where you start -foo with "systemctl start minecraft@foo". |
| 23:06.05 | majest1c | somiaj: Ill reboot and see if that does anything, I've tried once already |
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| 23:07.26 | qwebirc95665 | the link you posted is the script i use with stuff like "ProtectControlGroups=true, ProtectKernelModules=true, ProtectSystem=full or ProtectSystem=full" added |
| 23:09.53 | qwebirc95665 | my script uses /opt/minecraft/vanilla |
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| 23:13.20 | qwebirc95665 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:17.21 | jmcnaught | why does the minecraft need to run in screen at all if it's being started by systemd? |
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| 23:18.16 | qwebirc95665 | for the acces to the console |
| 23:18.43 | qwebirc95665 | for typing in commands |
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| 23:19.49 | qwebirc95665 | the systemd itself needs it to shut it down without datalost |
| 23:20.19 | jmcnaught | ouch |
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| 23:28.59 | qwebirc95665 | my solution: using rcon, so no console used, thank you ksk |
| 23:29.07 | qwebirc95665 | bb |
| 23:31.07 | ksk | "it is a server, but it expects input from the keyboard" |
| 23:33.24 | somiaj | though I think systemd can send it the signals it needs to make it quick appropritally. |
| 23:33.56 | somiaj | but yea, way to go some java app. But I do think the minecraft.jar can accept signals and not need to be run in an interactive shell |
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| 23:35.03 | ksk | would be a totally sane thing to do, yes. |
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| 23:37.08 | somiaj | I forget if ctrl-C proplerly shuts down the minecraft server, if so a singal would work. |
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| 23:39.07 | ksk | I think "back in the day" I was always putting in a safe command inside the screen running javacraft, but this was before systemd (was adopted by debian) |
| 23:39.17 | ksk | *save |
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| 23:55.43 | mojikun | hey |
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| 23:55.56 | kreyren_ | How to run gnome as non-root from cli? |
| 23:56.03 | mojikun | do debian point releases include new software version or only bugfixes and security patches? |
| 23:56.04 | kreyren_ | i can only run `sudo startx` atm o.o |
| 23:56.16 | mojikun | does 9.9 for example have the same version of gcc as 9.0? |
| 23:56.24 | mojikun | or firefox or whatever |
| 23:58.45 | annadane | it *can* include new software versions, rarely |
| 23:59.04 | annadane | well, bug fixes and security patches will be new software version numbers, but really... |
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