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| 00:37.05 | __m4ch1n3__ | suddenly there are additional input devices for my keyboard, it used to have 2 device paths now it has 4 and the additional devices have "Consumer Control" or "System Control" in the namestring |
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| 00:48.51 | __m4ch1n3__ | here my /proc/bus/input/devices http://dpaste.com/2ZQSBM9 |
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| 00:56.23 | aloo_shu | now I'm admittedly guessing there, __m4ch1n3__ , but it looks as if the underlying hw device is aleays the same, both by pci address and usb vendor/product, so probably something is splitting off certain events like probably sleep button, power button or maybe multimedia keys to be handled apart from regular input |
| 00:59.04 | __m4ch1n3__ | yes but there used to be only 2 devices, phys suffix input0 and input1 and now there are 3 phys suffix input1 |
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| 00:59.50 | aloo_shu | something got updated, again guessing |
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| 01:03.02 | aloo_shu | either you manually got some logitech drivers (you'd know), or maybe some more specific and less generic driver for this device has become available in debian, and got installed in the last pkg update |
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| 01:03.47 | __m4ch1n3__ | same with my mouse now 4 |
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| 01:03.54 | __m4ch1n3__ | and its not logitech |
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| 01:08.38 | aloo_shu | __m4ch1n3__: just ask again time to time, I can't offer much more ideas. |
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| 01:12.16 | jaggz | I inserted a memory card and it mounted as root. I tried remounting with mount -o 'remount,uid=my_uuid' but it's all still root |
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| 01:12.36 | jaggz | mount itself shows it has a "user" flag |
| 01:13.26 | hesco | with grub2, is there a convenient way to list from the cli, without a reboot, the available boot options? I'm trying to sort out which index to assign to GRUB_DEFAULT=, in /etc/default/grub. |
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| 01:15.06 | hesco | I have attempted multiple times to revert to my previous kernel, but this thing continues to boot into the new kernel (where docker will not boot), and multiple efforts to update-grub after making my edits have had no impact on which kernel is being booted. What please, might I be missing here? |
| 01:16.17 | jaggz | oh.. uuid maybe :) |
| 01:18.04 | hesco | jaggz: last entry I tried was: GRUB_DEFAULT='<Advanced options for Debian GNU/Linux>gnulinux-3.16.0-4-amd64-advanced-6864ff00-c8a2-4cdf-9efb-d51f1652696a' |
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| 01:18.31 | hesco | but it still booted 3.18.122 |
| 01:18.43 | jaggz | hesco, sorry that wasn't about you |
| 01:20.23 | hesco | ah, never mind. |
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| 01:26.47 | aloo_shu | hesco: a quick and dirty fix could be to manyally set the initrd & vmlinuz symlinks in / to point at the right kernel & initrd under /boot |
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| 01:31.04 | hesco | any idea how to do this the grub2 way? I have been struggling with this all day at the data center, listening to the jet engines, because as I have done this, sometimes I have to manually intervene to get these machines back up. |
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| 01:33.13 | hesco | Another issue I have been struggling with is that half the time (pretty sure its every other boot, for reasons I cannot fathom) this machine comes up with `ip route show` showing the default route across eth2 (my internal network) rather than eth0 (my publicly routable network). I have had to craft a script to manually intervene, after ssh'ing in through eth2 from another cluster member. |
| 01:33.40 | hesco | What controls the configuration of the routing table on boot and how do I make it do right? |
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| 04:03.20 | mijofa | I've got 2 deb packages A & B (B depends on A) that when making an upgraded version I've moved a single file from B to A. Problem is I can't install the upgraded version now because apt/dpkg won't overwrite B's file while upgrading A, and it won't upgrade B until after it upgrades A |
| 04:03.52 | mijofa | Anyone got any solutions for me? I'm hoping for something like dpkg-divert that just lets me tell the system to disassociate that file from package B |
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| 04:08.19 | mijofa | Hmmm, ok, "sed -i /filename/d' /var/lib/dpkg/info/A.list" worked. I get the feeling this is an evil solution, but it works |
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| 04:33.59 | Unit193 | You'll need to be on OFTC for that. |
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| 05:21.15 | hexhaxtron | I was trying to configure asterisk and then I got: http://paste.debian.net/1042144/ |
| 05:21.31 | hexhaxtron | How can I stop and start the asterisk daemon as many times I want? |
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| 10:02.12 | LaScoumoune | Hi all |
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| 10:03.23 | BCMM | LaScoumoune: hi |
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| 10:05.01 | LaScoumoune | Actualy i use, /etc/network/interfaces.d/wlp and /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wlp-tools for manage my network, i want start openvpn after interfaces IS UP, because actualy, openvpn try 2-3 times to connect when i if up wlp. How is it possible to make that like "if-post-up" ? thank |
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| 10:06.46 | LaScoumoune | actualy i have add a line in interfaces.d/wlp openvpn myvpn and a file in /etc/openvpn/myvpn.conf |
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| 10:37.05 | ksk | LaScoumoune: Is using a systemd service an options? (I ask that way too often..) |
| 10:37.17 | ksk | there you can depend on network being up. |
| 10:39.33 | LaScoumoune | ksk systemd service an options ? |
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| 10:40.35 | ksk | s/options/option |
| 10:41.05 | ksk | LaScoumoune: how about yout put your openvpn into an systemd unit file, and start it this way |
| 10:41.12 | ksk | and not via network/interfaces.d/ |
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| 10:51.02 | LaScoumoune | ksk yea that a great idea but how i can i do that with interfaces ? i know, think the lines with openvpn |
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| 10:52.59 | LaScoumoune | and in /if-up/openvpn openvpn have a .sh for run that i see |
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| 11:39.44 | LaScoumoune | ksk ? |
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| 12:02.43 | survietanime | hello, I'd like to know why /etc/apt/apt.conf has sticky bit configured? How is it useful? |
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| 12:03.18 | darxmurf | I don't have this file |
| 12:03.51 | survietanime | oh |
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| 12:05.19 | D0c70rWh0 | me neither |
| 12:06.52 | survietanime | ok, it's on an Ubuntu server, but I thought it comes from debian. So recent debian don't have that file anymore? |
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| 12:10.50 | nyov | recent? Hm, I can tell from a wheezy machine I'm looking at that it doesn't have it there either. only apt.conf.d |
| 12:11.11 | survietanime | ok, maybe you still have apt.conf manpage |
| 12:11.26 | nyov | yes |
| 12:12.29 | survietanime | files in my /etc/apt/apt.conf.d don't have sticky bit, only /etc/apt/apt.conf has. That's why I'm wondering... |
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| 12:13.18 | nyov | Who's the owner? |
| 12:13.25 | survietanime | root:root |
| 12:13.49 | nyov | well then it doesn't make much sense I'd say |
| 12:14.19 | survietanime | yeah, and it's a configuration file, not an executable, so I don't get it |
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| 12:14.31 | at0m | survietanime: ask #ubuntu, they've set it up. |
| 12:14.42 | survietanime | at0m: ok, thank you |
| 12:14.45 | nyov | just remove it. if you have apt.conf.d |
| 12:14.53 | nyov | shouldn't hurt anything |
| 12:15.02 | at0m | debian can only guess, we have no idea how ubuntu changed it |
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| 12:15.28 | survietanime | ok, I'm writing ansible playbook to update proxy for Apt, I've seen, look weird to me |
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| 12:15.40 | nyov | heh. I recently crosscraded 3 ubuntu servers to debian xD went amazingly well |
| 12:15.51 | nyov | *graded |
| 12:15.52 | survietanime | lol |
| 12:16.15 | nyov | dpkg-installed the debian keyring file, and off I went |
| 12:16.27 | at0m | /o\ |
| 12:16.36 | nyov | they're still running |
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| 12:17.30 | at0m | nyov: just don't bother any of #debian or #ubuntu with possible issues, unless for mere announced entertainment |
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| 12:17.56 | nyov | oh I'm soing debian since 2001, no reason to trouble anyone |
| 12:17.57 | ayekat | for /etc/network/interfaces, is there a way to tell ifupdown *not* to set up default routes via an interface, even if it was configured with DHCP? |
| 12:18.05 | at0m | nyov: ok =) |
| 12:18.17 | ayekat | (if I run the DHCP client on two interfaces, but only want one to be used as the default connection) |
| 12:19.04 | nyov | then again my current debian stretch desktop system started life as an Etch release |
| 12:19.16 | nyov | so I have that upgrading stuff down pat. lol |
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| 12:21.29 | ayekat | (or do I simply manage that by setting different metrics on the interfaces?) |
| 12:21.47 | nyov | ayekat: ip r shows multiple default routes? |
| 12:22.16 | ayekat | nyov: well, currently, one of the interface isn't plugged in yet |
| 12:22.51 | ayekat | but I have two lines in my `interfaces` file that go both `allow-hotplug {iface}` and `iface {iface} inet dhcp` |
| 12:23.09 | nyov | well, you can always add custom "ip" lines in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:23.49 | nyov | e.g. "up /sbin/ip addr add [...]" or "down /sbin/ip addr del [...]" |
| 12:23.57 | nyov | to customize things |
| 12:25.02 | ayekat | nyov: so I would delete the default route for one interface after the DHCP address request finishes? |
| 12:25.03 | nyov | so you could just say "up /sbin/ip route add default via 192.168.0.1/24 dev eth0" |
| 12:25.23 | ayekat | well, rather "up ip route del default via ...", no? |
| 12:25.29 | nyov | if one does appear. I'm not sure exactly what says who gets to be default route |
| 12:25.42 | nyov | ayekat: yeahh |
| 12:26.10 | ayekat | with one interface, it gets to be the default route - if ifupdown is intelligent enough to only assign the default route to one interface, I still need to tell it which one... |
| 12:26.21 | ayekat | (I'd need to try) |
| 12:26.26 | nyov | I would just test it manually first, then put it into network |
| 12:26.53 | ayekat | but then I would also need to know which IP address is associated with an interface to know which route to delete... :-| |
| 12:27.22 | nyov | ip route should say |
| 12:27.34 | ayekat | manually running ip to fix up things seems kinda dirty to me, to be honest |
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| 12:49.28 | Kelsar | is there a debian repo with a more complete ffmpeg? |
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| 12:50.22 | kopper | Define more complete |
| 12:50.40 | kopper | And what are you running |
| 12:51.37 | Kelsar | jessie/stretch but the debian ffmpeg misses things like AAC encoders |
| 12:52.40 | kopper | Soo are you asking whether there is ffmpeg version which has that or you know it should support it but it's not in stable repositories? |
| 12:53.43 | Kelsar | kopper: debian ffmpeg does not have those because of policy reasons. That is why i search for a 3rd party repo. non-free has the libs for that, but as far as i see no ffmpeg build with them |
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| 12:54.25 | LaScoumoune | ksk: that you talking about ? https://www.cb-net.co.uk/linux/how-to-make-a-linux-systemd-service-wait-for-a-vpn-interface-before-starting/ |
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| 12:54.56 | untitled | is it ok that update-alternatives --config java does not update /usr/lib/jvm/default-java? |
| 12:55.32 | kopper | Kelsar: There's no official third party repos in Debian, like PPA or AUR |
| 12:56.12 | kopper | "Official" |
| 12:56.47 | kopper | You could try to compiling it yourself |
| 12:56.50 | kopper | -to |
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| 13:03.29 | gregor2 | Hey guys! |
| 13:04.24 | gregor2 | Now i know what i am going to do. Is it a good Idea to use ext2 for the /home partition? |
| 13:04.33 | greycat | No, not very. |
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| 13:05.02 | greycat | Do you have a specific reason NOT to use ext3 or ext4 for it? |
| 13:05.15 | gregor2 | I am assuming you would prefer ext4. Why that if so? |
| 13:05.34 | greycat | So when you reboot after a crash, you don't sit there waiting for an fsck for 20 minutes. |
| 13:05.37 | darxmurf | well I would sugest ext4 instead of 3 anyway |
| 13:05.39 | darxmurf | or XFS |
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| 13:06.52 | Kelsar | sorry, somebody powered off the wrong fuse... |
| 13:07.05 | Kelsar | kopper: didn't say anthing from official |
| 13:07.32 | gregor2 | Ok |
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| 13:08.02 | gregor2 | Also |
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| 13:09.01 | gregor2 | Do the Files need more space if i would use ext4? |
| 13:09.27 | greycat | The ext3 or ext4 journal will take up a tiny bit of space. |
| 13:09.53 | darxmurf | the good point with ext2 is when you crash your system, as there is no journal you will never know which files vanished :D |
| 13:09.57 | gregor2 | Would ext2 take more space than fat32? |
| 13:10.09 | greycat | Irrelevant. |
| 13:10.17 | greycat | You CANNOT use fat32 for /home. |
| 13:10.20 | darxmurf | XFS takes less space |
| 13:10.26 | gregor2 | I thought so. |
| 13:10.34 | gregor2 | But anyway. |
| 13:10.35 | jelly | gregor2: yes, it would take more space. Why do you ask |
| 13:10.41 | darxmurf | gregor2: why those questions ? what's your disk size ? |
| 13:10.47 | gregor2 | I am just curious. |
| 13:11.00 | gregor2 | 12TBxD |
| 13:11.21 | gregor2 | I am just interrested. |
| 13:11.26 | rant | well you /could/ but it wouldn't technically be fat32 anymore once you extend it with Unix perms req for /home |
| 13:11.28 | kopper | Kelsar: Compiling it yourself would be safer than hunting deb from random source, I'd figure. |
| 13:11.48 | rant | I'd be extfat or umsdos or such |
| 13:11.51 | jelly | I suggest using disks of that size only in raid arrays, unless the contents are not important and can be easily regenerated |
| 13:12.14 | jelly | rant: there's no uvfat unix-compatible fs |
| 13:12.16 | gregor2 | this is actually an arrey |
| 13:12.20 | gregor2 | array |
| 13:12.46 | darxmurf | jelly: unfortunately disk sizes are like megapixels in cameras... the bigger it is, the cooler it is |
| 13:12.55 | gregor2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.02 | jelly | gregor2: I'll echo Roy'K' thought then and maybe tell you to use xfs if you think you're going to have to expand filesystems to TB-sizes |
| 13:13.14 | darxmurf | I love to see ppl getting excited with their brand new 21Mp pocket camera |
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| 13:13.46 | greycat | "Here's a 5000x4000 screen shot of a one line error message" |
| 13:13.48 | jelly | gregor2: don't create a 12TB filesystem if you don't need it right away; use LVM |
| 13:13.59 | gregor2 | ok |
| 13:14.16 | rant | jelly ah seems umsdos had died long ago |
| 13:14.17 | gregor2 | i will have a look at lvm some time |
| 13:14.20 | darxmurf | and don't forget, you can't shrink XFS lv |
| 13:14.31 | gregor2 | What is that exactly? |
| 13:14.40 | darxmurf | containers |
| 13:14.43 | gregor2 | How would you describe lvm? |
| 13:14.51 | greycat | !lvm |
| 13:14.51 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 13:15.20 | gregor2 | I will read about it some time. |
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| 13:17.00 | rant | I'm not real thrilled about it cause I don't know it well but I'm using lvm now on my laptop with cryptroot as its the way Debian seems to prefer it |
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| 13:17.31 | rant | I setup my thin client without it and it was a lot more work |
| 13:17.46 | Kelsar | kopper: guess I will be lazy and setup a gentoo machine for that media stuff |
| 13:17.47 | n4dir | lvm without crypt? |
| 13:18.00 | n4dir | rant: ^^ |
| 13:18.06 | rant | no crypt without lvm |
| 13:18.21 | n4dir | oh yeah, that is quite a clusterfuck |
| 13:19.02 | gregor2 | What could happen without using lvm? |
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| 13:19.22 | greycat | Without lvm, your file systems are statically defined, and if you need to make one of them bigger, it's a massive chore. |
| 13:19.28 | rant | yeah well it works both ways the Debian way is just easier |
| 13:19.52 | greycat | With lvm, you leave most of the disk space free (unallocated), and then if you decide you need to grow one of your file systems by a few hundred MB, it's extremely easy. |
| 13:20.24 | rant | the initrd stuff seems to depend on lvm anyhow so you may as well use it if encrypting rootfs |
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| 13:20.53 | rant | it'd be even more a pain to get rid of the dependency |
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| 13:21.06 | gregor2 | Can a filesystem actually get smaller afterwards to? |
| 13:21.25 | survietanime | it used to be dangerous |
| 13:21.30 | rant | yes |
| 13:21.31 | darxmurf | ext4 yes |
| 13:21.33 | darxmurf | XFS no |
| 13:21.35 | survietanime | I don't know now, I'm using zfs currently |
| 13:21.36 | darxmurf | depends of the FS |
| 13:21.45 | greycat | Shrinking things is usually just not done. |
| 13:21.57 | gregor2 | But it takes a long Time am i right? |
| 13:22.09 | darxmurf | a bit yes |
| 13:22.21 | gregor2 | I assume it would be kind of a risk. |
| 13:22.24 | rant | yes as data will most likely need to be moved |
| 13:22.43 | gregor2 | A risk to lose some Data. |
| 13:23.15 | greycat | (Other than the initial shrinking of a Windows file system to make room for Debian in a dual-boot setup, but that's a special case.) |
| 13:23.50 | rant | you should always have backups even with raid or lvm |
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| 13:24.06 | gregor2 | Why Backups? |
| 13:24.20 | rant | because Murphys law |
| 13:24.21 | greycat | ... because you like your data |
| 13:24.23 | darxmurf | are you serious or just here to kill your time ? |
| 13:24.32 | darxmurf | and ours too by the way |
| 13:24.33 | gregor2 | Because I could make a Mistake ? |
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| 13:24.42 | darxmurf | okay done |
| 13:24.56 | rant | which reminds me I need new header backups all around |
| 13:25.00 | gregor2 | I dont quite get it. |
| 13:25.10 | gregor2 | If i have a backup anyway... |
| 13:25.10 | jelly | gregor2: because hardware dies. |
| 13:25.18 | greycat | I think he's saying he has /ignored you, and I'm damn close myself. |
| 13:25.34 | gregor2 | What is the point of the RAID then? |
| 13:25.46 | jelly | raid is used to give better uptime |
| 13:26.04 | jelly | availability of service, make the computer still work even if a disk dies |
| 13:26.07 | rant | and troughput in some cases |
| 13:26.17 | LaScoumoune | so is old too use network/interfaces, the better way is use systemd-networkd ? that it ? |
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| 13:26.57 | greycat | LaScoumoune: Absolutely wrong. The standard is still /etc/network/interfaces for most servers and workstations, and network-manager for most laptops and crazy-fancy-shiny-desktop-shit. |
| 13:27.06 | greycat | Nobody vuses systemd-networkd. |
| 13:27.14 | greycat | Or uses. |
| 13:27.20 | jelly | things may be different with buster |
| 13:27.33 | jelly | but hey, you can use it if you like it |
| 13:27.47 | LaScoumoune | Yea personaly i use /etc/network/interfaces.d/wlp |
| 13:28.13 | LaScoumoune | but i see that : https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-networkd-wait-online.html#-i |
| 13:28.25 | rant | I do similar when n-m isn't enough |
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| 13:28.29 | greycat | You're reading a web page on the web site of the people who wrote systemd. |
| 13:28.34 | LaScoumoune | and actualy that can maybe help me for that work |
| 13:28.48 | LaScoumoune | no its juste an option |
| 13:28.58 | LaScoumoune | is not read than people write lol |
| 13:29.05 | LaScoumoune | wrote* |
| 13:29.13 | greycat | If what you ACTUALLY WANT is for network services to work properly in Debian (don't try to start before the network is up), all you have to do is change "allow-hotplug" to "auto" for each interface in /e/n/i. |
| 13:29.38 | LaScoumoune | i use static interfaces |
| 13:29.40 | greycat | The installer's allow-hotplug default is designed for laptops and fancy-stupid-desktop-environment-shit. |
| 13:29.50 | greycat | Just change it to auto for normal computers. |
| 13:29.57 | LaScoumoune | my only problem is openvpn who try start many times, and interfaces is not ready up |
| 13:31.11 | LaScoumoune | so the solution is maybe creat a systemd for controle interfaces is up for run openvpn |
| 13:31.25 | LaScoumoune | like this systemd-networkd-wait-online or other i dont know |
| 13:31.31 | greycat | Did changing the interface from allow-hotplug to auto not work? |
| 13:31.42 | LaScoumoune | i dont want make that |
| 13:31.47 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 13:31.53 | n4dir | finally. |
| 13:31.57 | LaScoumoune | because i dont want auto mount interface when i boot lol |
| 13:32.23 | LaScoumoune | that not that the problem |
| 13:32.24 | greycat | http://mikeash.com/getting_answers.html |
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| 13:33.21 | LaScoumoune | At this moment i use, /etc/network/interfaces.d/wlp and /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wlp-tools for manage my network, i want start openvpn after interfaces IS UP, because actualy, openvpn try 2-3 times to connect when i if up wlp. How is it possible to make that like "if-post-up" ? thank |
| 13:33.23 | LaScoumoune | actualy i have add a line in interfaces.d/wlp openvpn myvpn and a file in /etc/openvpn/myvpn.conf |
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| 13:33.42 | LaScoumoune | LaScoumoune: Is using a systemd service an options? (I ask that way too often..) |
| 13:33.44 | LaScoumoune | there you can depend on network being up. |
| 13:33.49 | LaScoumoune | that why i ask |
| 13:34.10 | LaScoumoune | im not a new with interfaces, i just try to make that very good you know |
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| 13:40.00 | sZbcE8qNfG | hello, I'm running debian stable with kernel 4.17 installed |
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| 13:40.07 | sZbcE8qNfG | I see the following error: firmware: failed to load ath10k/QCA9377/hw1.0/firmware-6.bin |
| 13:40.12 | sZbcE8qNfG | I have the following card qca9377 and the wifi range is awful |
| 13:40.14 | greycat | !ath10k |
| 13:40.15 | dpkg | ath10k is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCIe 802.11ac (a/b/g/n compatible) wireless LAN devices based on the Qualcomm Atheros QCA988x 2.0 family of chips (PCI IDs 168c:003c, 168c:abcd). Introduced at Linux 3.11. Firmware from userspace is required and not currently packaged (bug #724970), ask me about <ath10k firmware>. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath10k #ath10k on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:40.18 | sZbcE8qNfG | what could it be? |
| 13:40.22 | greycat | !ath10k firmware |
| 13:40.22 | dpkg | Firmware required by the <ath10k> driver is currently not available from the <linux-firmware> repository. See http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath10k/firmware for more information. |
| 13:40.39 | sZbcE8qNfG | are you sure? I installed it from firmwae-atheros |
| 13:40.53 | greycat | I bet dpkg is fairly sure of itself. |
| 13:41.06 | greycat | Bots are not known for self-doubt, except Marvin. |
| 13:41.20 | sZbcE8qNfG | look https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-atheros |
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| 13:41.25 | sZbcE8qNfG | ath10k is there |
| 13:41.32 | greycat | is ath10k/QCA9377/hw1.0/firmware-6.bin there? |
| 13:41.59 | sZbcE8qNfG | no...it has firmware-5.bin |
| 13:42.19 | sZbcE8qNfG | what does firmware-6.bin do vs firmware-5.bin? |
| 13:42.30 | sZbcE8qNfG | could that be the reason why my wifi range is awful |
| 13:42.42 | greycat | ,file ath10k/QCA9377/hw1.0/firmware-6.bin |
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| 13:42.47 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 13:42.59 | rant | dpkg -L firmware-atheros |grep ath10k/QCA9377/hw1.0/firmware-6.bin |
| 13:42.59 | dpkg | ii firmware-atheros |grep ath10k/QCA9377/hw1.0/firmware-6.bin 3.1-11.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 13:43.07 | greycat | ,file ath10k/QCA9377/hw1.0/firmware-6.bin --release sid |
| 13:43.12 | judd | No packages in sid/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 13:43.18 | greycat | *shrug* |
| 13:43.20 | rant | heh I should know better |
| 13:43.40 | sZbcE8qNfG | oh ok I see there is a bug fix for qca9377 in firmware-6.bin |
| 13:43.56 | sZbcE8qNfG | any idea when this firmware will be available in package firmware-atheros? |
| 13:44.01 | sZbcE8qNfG | guesstimate |
| 13:44.34 | rant | never unless you're running buster/sid |
| 13:44.46 | sZbcE8qNfG | oh shit |
| 13:45.00 | sZbcE8qNfG | so im stuck for 2 years with this problem unless it is backported |
| 13:45.16 | greycat | or you find the file somewhere and manually slap it into the right directory |
| 13:45.23 | nyov | ^ |
| 13:45.32 | rant | yep and just grab it upstream |
| 13:45.55 | rant | its a single file not a big deal |
| 13:46.43 | jelly | ,v firmware-atheros |
| 13:46.44 | judd | Package: firmware-atheros on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch-backports/non-free: 20180518-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1; sid/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1 |
| 13:47.32 | jelly | sZbcE8qNfG: you can ask for a backport on the backports list. Or, since it's just firmware and there's zero functional difference, install the sid version of the package |
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| 13:48.24 | jelly | or be stuck for two years if that works for you |
| 13:48.32 | greycat | does the sid version have that file? judd said no... but judd has been wrong lately |
| 13:48.35 | sZbcE8qNfG | ok I will ask on the backports list |
| 13:48.41 | jelly | oh |
| 13:48.47 | jelly | I misread |
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| 13:50.19 | sZbcE8qNfG | for requesting a backport, do I send an email to debian-backports mailing list? |
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| 13:51.00 | rant | to req it be back ported it has to exist first |
| 13:51.11 | greycat | Oh, even better. The [list of files] link on https://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-atheros says "Error |
| 13:51.14 | greycat | No such package in this suite on this architecture." |
| 13:51.35 | sZbcE8qNfG | but it exists in buster? |
| 13:51.55 | greycat | I'm wondering how in the FUCK I can find out whether it exists in buster.... |
| 13:51.56 | jelly | nope https://sources.debian.org/src/firmware-nonfree/20180825+dfsg-1/ath10k/QCA9377/hw1.0/ |
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| 13:52.09 | sZbcE8qNfG | greycat, https://packages.debian.org/buster/firmware-atheros |
| 13:52.14 | sZbcE8qNfG | and search for firmware-6 |
| 13:52.17 | rant | ,v firmware-atheros |
| 13:52.18 | judd | Package: firmware-atheros on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch-backports/non-free: 20180518-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1; sid/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1 |
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| 13:52.26 | greycat | OK, thbe [list of files] on https://packages.debian.org/buster/firmware-atheros actually gives something other than an error message. |
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| 13:52.35 | rant | but that's just the pkg not the file |
| 13:52.42 | jelly | (I started from tracker.debian.org) |
| 13:52.54 | greycat | However, that [list of files] DOES NOT include the string firmware-6 |
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| 13:53.20 | greycat | So backporting the buster firmware-atheros package would seem to be less than helpful. |
| 13:53.25 | rant | if the file isn't there req a backport is moot |
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| 13:53.49 | sZbcE8qNfG | wow nevermind.....I read it wrong..it doesn't have firmware-6 in buster |
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| 13:54.09 | sZbcE8qNfG | so now I'll have to wait 4+ years |
| 13:54.22 | rant | I'd maybe file a bug or qmmend existing bug first to push fix |
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| 13:54.38 | greycat | Or just download the god damned firmware-6 file from the kernel.org web page that the bot gave you half an hour ago, and copy (slap) it into the /lib/firmware/ directory yourself. |
| 13:54.42 | rant | then req a backport |
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| 13:55.25 | nyov | use the source, luke: https://github.com/kvalo/ath10k-firmware/commit/952afa4949cb34193040cd4e7441e1aee50ac731 |
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| 13:55.45 | sZbcE8qNfG | i will just wait until it becomes "debian officiallike"...the wifi is not too bad |
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| 13:56.22 | sZbcE8qNfG | thanks for the info |
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| 13:56.28 | rant | well start by amending the bug to tell em the firmware is fixed upstream |
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| 13:56.39 | nyov | download link is https://github.com/kvalo/ath10k-firmware/raw/952afa4949cb34193040cd4e7441e1aee50ac731/QCA9377/hw1.0/WLAN.TF.2.1/firmware-6.bin_WLAN.TF.2.1-00016-QCARMSWP-1 |
| 13:56.46 | sZbcE8qNfG | ok I will report it to firmware-atheros maintainers |
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| 13:57.12 | rant | use the existing bug dpkg mentioned |
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| 13:59.02 | rafalcpp | how to tell Debian that hardware clock is keeping time in UTC (as it should) ? |
| 13:59.14 | greycat | that's the default |
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| 13:59.36 | rant | !widhe |
| 13:59.37 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 13:59.47 | greycat | are you asking, "I changed something 5 years ago and I forgot; can you help me figure out what it was?" |
| 13:59.50 | rafalcpp | greycat: and I did nad results look suspicious |
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| 14:00.08 | greycat | !utc |
| 14:00.08 | dpkg | Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time). For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later, set "UTC" or "LOCAL" in /etc/adjtime (man 8 hwclock). For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", set the UTC option in /etc/default/rcS appropriately (man rcs). For all systems, run «service hwclock.sh restart» to apply changes. See also <windows utc>. |
| 14:00.23 | rant | are you dualbooting? |
| 14:00.27 | rafalcpp | rant: no |
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| 14:02.08 | rafalcpp | hmm maybe it works. will see after reboot :) |
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| 14:04.20 | rant | idk but anyone have objection to pruning old release info from dpgk factoids? I would think wheeze could conceivably still be in prod use by lazy admins but squeeze... |
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| 14:05.25 | rant | I'm not gonna do anything now but asking for future ref |
| 14:05.26 | nyov | hey, good old squeeze is still loved |
| 14:05.28 | nyov | :D |
| 14:05.35 | sZbcE8qNfG | dam I remember that in 2011 |
| 14:05.36 | jelly | rant: yes. Don't. |
| 14:05.47 | sZbcE8qNfG | my first debian installation was squeeze |
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| 14:06.04 | jelly | someone may somewhere have an etch installation |
| 14:06.14 | rant | jelly we have to eventually factoids hav limits.. heh |
| 14:06.25 | nyov | well perhaps it doesnt need to remember those factoids though |
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| 14:07.16 | jelly | rant: it's like a 100MB or so mysql db dump. Call back when you start hosting a million copies of the bot and it becomes a problem |
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| 14:07.54 | rant | I am not adamant about changing now obviously but I value the not more than the wiki which is why I fix stale info often |
| 14:07.59 | nyov | actually, when I want a *fast* system on older hw, I go back to installing squeeze :] |
| 14:08.33 | jfbourdeau | Hello everyone. My 1st question here :-) I was with Ubuntu, new with Debian, love it. I need to make my BLuetooth Microsoft keyboard recognized by Debian. The BLuetooth applet see the adapter but when scanning, do not see the MS Keyboard |
| 14:09.16 | rant | yeah squeeze isn't that old yet but when you got solutions in a factoid for many releases ago eventually we at least gotta split it to other factoids and lunk |
| 14:09.19 | rant | link* |
| 14:09.27 | nyov | i remember I could run compiz back in the day -barely- on my lil' old celeron notebook with intel graphics. try this with a current release! |
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| 14:09.49 | nyov | it can barely run mate desktop fluidly now |
| 14:09.57 | sZbcE8qNfG | wow |
| 14:10.16 | sZbcE8qNfG | what the hell is wrong with these developers putting bells and whistles when no one asked for it |
| 14:10.36 | nyov | I blame the browsers |
| 14:10.56 | rafalcpp | j a v a s c r i p t |
| 14:11.07 | rant | heh |
| 14:11.12 | rafalcpp | Im for freedom, but if one thing outside of NAP should be illegal, it should be JS. (and flash etc) |
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| 14:11.24 | rafalcpp | *mandatory js |
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| 14:11.57 | rant | jfbourdeau check wiki.Debian.org and try lower level tools like hci tool for debugging |
| 14:12.03 | rafalcpp | when turning off the things that might exploit PC potentially with Spectre/Meltdown, and with some adblocks, firefox can work x10 slower now |
| 14:12.14 | jfbourdeau | rant tks ! |
| 14:12.16 | rant | the BT wiki entry is decent |
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| 14:12.31 | nyov | indeed. what happened to that 'web accessibility' movement from back then? nobody cares anymore |
| 14:13.48 | greycat | "web 2.0" |
| 14:14.19 | nyov | today you're getting insta-banned from cloudflare-"protected" sites because you had JS disabled |
| 14:14.45 | greycat | Yeah, web 2.0 mutated into "driven by money". |
| 14:14.51 | sZbcE8qNfG | if cloudflare keeps establishing it's monopoly, we will all be forced to not use VPN and enable JS |
| 14:15.14 | sZbcE8qNfG | i cannot stand this clown computing revolution that is happening |
| 14:15.20 | rafalcpp | if they piss off enough users, some competition wil lappear |
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| 14:16.11 | sZbcE8qNfG | azure, aws, google is the enemy...sure they lure in your company's executive management with sugar |
| 14:16.14 | nyov | not with google chrome running the world and their mozilla lackeys |
| 14:16.20 | sZbcE8qNfG | but then they data mine on the backend |
| 14:17.33 | ntd | nyov, mozilla lackeys? |
| 14:17.39 | nyov | well |
| 14:17.50 | ntd | nyov, iirc the search deal ended quite some time ago |
| 14:17.56 | nyov | nope |
| 14:17.57 | sZbcE8qNfG | yes mozilla has been a joke |
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| 14:18.07 | jfbourdeau | is away: You can find me on https://forum.elivelinux.org |
| 14:18.14 | ntd | the "safe browsing" and addon analytics, however |
| 14:18.33 | babilen | dpkg: tell jfbourdeau -about away |
| 14:18.49 | babilen | jfbourdeau: Please disable that, thanks! |
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| 14:19.59 | nyov | ntd: afaik mozilla grants 'search engine' positioning rights to the highest bidder now |
| 14:20.17 | ntd | so atm duckduckgo? |
| 14:20.22 | nyov | so google pays for being default search engine |
| 14:20.43 | ntd | maybe it is region-dependant |
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| 14:21.01 | jfbourdeau | babilen, I am trying to see how to turn off away in XChat only for this channel tks ! and Sorry |
| 14:21.04 | nyov | but i'm more talking about tech decisions. isn't mozilla usually just copying? |
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| 14:22.00 | babilen | jfbourdeau: Cheers :) |
| 14:24.00 | EdePopede | greycat: sure about UTC? i just rebooted the other pc with live debian, bios clock is in localtime, same for xfce-clock and date(1). |
| 14:24.12 | ntd | nyov, let's see. they have their own engine, recent spent considerable time and resources on rewriting it instead of just doing webkit |
| 14:24.34 | EdePopede | aka: all off them show the local time |
| 14:24.55 | ntd | nyov, which separates them from all the other browsers |
| 14:25.09 | ntd | edge, chrome, safari, opera, brave, etc: all webkit |
| 14:25.10 | survietanime | I don't get how I can set, for example, Acquire::http::proxy with: apt-config -o |
| 14:25.41 | nyov | ntd, yes. but I still hate them for kicking XUL versatility to follow chrome's simplified addon model. and the general layout of the newer browser versions |
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| 14:26.13 | SerajewelKS | are we still bellyaching about firefox? |
| 14:26.27 | nyov | aren't we always |
| 14:26.48 | SerajewelKS | not always this frequently and not in #debian |
| 14:26.50 | nyov | the only browser where i could have 3k open tabs at once |
| 14:27.09 | nyov | it was nice wwhile it lasted |
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| 14:27.46 | ntd | nyov, you couldn't really combine the old model and priv separation |
| 14:28.41 | nyov | I really wish I had the time to write my own. browser, that is. it would look more like a scraper though ;) |
| 14:31.00 | sZbcE8qNfG | i hope firefox loses 95% of it's marketshare |
| 14:31.11 | sZbcE8qNfG | that is the only way they will wake up |
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| 14:31.31 | nyov | no. then we have chrome world domination |
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| 14:31.50 | ntd | *some* recent decisions are in the wtf-category, but would you really prefer inet being "chrome required"? |
| 14:31.50 | sZbcE8qNfG | firefox is doing everything wrong |
| 14:32.15 | ntd | "insert scroogle anal probe here" |
| 14:32.16 | sZbcE8qNfG | privacytools.io |
| 14:32.23 | greycat | I wouldn't say they're doing everything wrong, but they certainly do seem to be going out of their way to drive away all of their older users. |
| 14:32.24 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 14:32.30 | ntd | yeah |
| 14:32.39 | nyov | someone remembers scroogle |
| 14:34.06 | ntd | themill, any chance we'll be seing actual chrome in deb repos anytime soon? don't think so :) |
| 14:34.15 | sZbcE8qNfG | i hope not |
| 14:34.26 | greycat | you can add a google-chrome repository |
| 14:34.27 | ntd | right, because it's not actually open source |
| 14:34.29 | dgp | ntd: google supply their own |
| 14:34.33 | greycat | in fact, installing their .deb file does that for you |
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| 14:34.49 | dgp | greycat: without even asking in true google fashion |
| 14:34.54 | ntd | are these deb-src or binary packs? |
| 14:35.05 | greycat | It is a binary. |
| 14:35.13 | ntd | noo? really? |
| 14:35.14 | dgp | ntd: chrome isn't opensource so you get a binary and like or don't use it |
| 14:35.21 | Barones | Hi, is there a proper way to have 2 distro repository running without conflict? I'm running Stretch but need install Roxterm which isn't avaiable in stretch repo. So this raised this question, considering that Jessie and previous distros has roxterm in its repo |
| 14:35.30 | akay | hello, is anyone here into UDP low latency tuning? i've seen other people getting UDP round trip times as low as their TCP (ICMP) counterparts and i'd love to know what their secret is :-) i've done some basic steps like tuning buffer size and backlog, but that didn't improve nor increase the latency |
| 14:35.44 | sZbcE8qNfG | what about purebrowser? |
| 14:35.47 | nyov | Barones: you can. if you know what you're doing |
| 14:35.56 | sZbcE8qNfG | maybe we should all focus on purebrowser |
| 14:36.02 | greycat | Barones: you can add a jessie source to a stretch system, and things will usually work fine. |
| 14:36.06 | ntd | so... the worlds larget advertiser (by far) would like you to install their binary-only browser? what to do, indeed |
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| 14:36.10 | ntd | largest |
| 14:36.10 | nyov | I have stretch, jessie and wheezy in sources.list |
| 14:36.20 | nyov | gotta clean up some time |
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| 14:37.06 | dgp | ntd: What you do is don't use and stop writing as if this is some delimma you actually need to think about |
| 14:37.51 | ntd | dgp, ofc it is not. this is with regard to sZbcE8qNfG hoping ff dies |
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| 14:38.03 | Barones | Thanks greycat and nyov, I'm going try it |
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| 14:39.01 | dgp | ntd: I doubt the browser makes much difference when almost every site out their has googles (or others) tracking included in some way or another |
| 14:40.48 | dgp | s/their/there/ |
| 14:41.45 | ntd | dgp, like, ff doesn't submit ever visited page for scroogle indexing, provides a sep certificate store, doesn't listen to your mic, etc |
| 14:42.26 | ntd | you can also limit the usability of some of the tracking methods you are referencing |
| 14:42.45 | dgp | Does FF magically remove all of the tracking that happens in the browser and on the servers? |
| 14:43.06 | ntd | they made chrome because they'd like to track you even more efficiently than was possible with IE |
| 14:43.44 | dgp | Not sure what this has to do with debian. |
| 14:43.57 | ntd | ok, if you mean it's same-same: whatever floats your boat |
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| 14:57.52 | greycat | EdePopede: Hmm, maybe you're right and LOCAL is the default. I don't install very often. But a couple of the most recent installs I did have LOCAL on line 3 of /etc/adjtime. |
| 14:58.52 | greycat | (gotta say, /etc/adjtime is *way* less user-friendly to edit than /etc/default/rcS was) |
| 14:58.56 | EdePopede | hm, checked the file in *this* system, it says UTC (but it was a bit strange while installing, so hmm..) |
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| 15:04.05 | greycat | So... I picked one of the stretch systems and changed LOCAL to UTC in /etc/adjtime and tried to run "service hwclock.sh restart" as the factoid says, and it gives me "Failed to restart hwclock.service: Unit hwclock.service is masked." Should I worry? |
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| 15:05.59 | jelly | it's masked here as well |
| 15:06.43 | nyov | EdePopede: just because you tell the HW clock you want UTC doesn't tell it the correct current time. perhaps it was utc, debian installed local and then it substracted or added the offset? |
| 15:06.57 | nyov | EdePopede: so after an NTP sync it should then be correct |
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| 15:07.38 | jelly | it should not have to take a ntp sync to have the (roughly correct) time on a system with a battery-backed RTC |
| 15:08.04 | jelly | sure, on some tiny ARM board you need to get initial time from the network |
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| 15:10.19 | JohnA | I have a strange problem. I have 2 machines 1 runs bind9. if I do dig +noall +authority example.com on each system I get different result. on the server I get nothing. on the desktop I get multiple lines one for each NS. ? |
| 15:11.15 | greycat | Well, I did a "hwclock -w" to set it. Hopefully that's the right thing to do. |
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| 15:14.07 | JohnA | I have a strange problem. I have 2 machines 1 runs bind9. if I do dig +noall +authority example.com on each system I get different result. on the server I get nothing. on the desktop I get multiple lines one for each NS. ?aptitude |
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| 15:15.13 | jelly | JohnA: dig is special. It reads /etc/resolv.conf and tries to obey it on its own. |
| 15:16.49 | jelly | JohnA: what does +noall do? |
| 15:17.40 | greycat | man page says "+[no]all Set or clear all display flags." |
| 15:17.59 | greycat | now I just need someone to tell me what "set or clear all display flags" means |
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| 15:18.31 | jelly | hence the question |
| 15:19.24 | greycat | JohnA: what is the ACTUAL problem you're trying to solve? One that does not involve "example.com" or "dig". |
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| 15:25.54 | EdePopede | *this* pc is quite sure in utc, has internet, ntp. /etc/adjtime says "UTC", /etc/timezone 'Berlin' `hwclock -r` reports "17:22 ... +0200", which is real localtime and i am in CEST. *the other one* is in the situation of a win3.x pc, no network, live debian from stick. `hwclock -r` reports the same, no '/etc/adjtime', and timezone is 'Etc/UTC'. bios clock is in localtime. so it seems to be a combination of |
| 15:25.54 | EdePopede | both files how bios clock is interpreted (and i guess tnp if available) |
| 15:26.05 | EdePopede | s/tnp/ntp/ |
| 15:27.02 | greycat | I guess it makes sense that a "live" debian wouldn't want an /etc/adjtime file, since it has no knowledge of the hardware clock. |
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| 15:28.46 | EdePopede | right. was just wondering where the difference comes from. ended up some time ago with a newly touched directory on ext4 with the timestamp being in the future :) |
| 15:29.35 | greycat | That would be a wrong *system* clock, not hardware clock. |
| 15:29.42 | greycat | (although both could be wrong) |
| 15:29.46 | EdePopede | and of course we all know whom to blame for not being able to simply set the bios clock to utc in all those years.... |
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| 15:32.07 | jelly | that has actually been possible to configure since around windows 2000 or so. |
| 15:32.27 | EdePopede | greycat: high noon on summertime in greenwich (thus 2pm in berlin), creating an entry on an external hd in ext4, what would be written on both PCs? |
| 15:32.58 | greycat | The system clock is what you get when you run "date", or when any normal application tries to ask the system "what time is it". |
| 15:33.24 | greycat | It's not "written". It's the transient, running, in-memory-only construct that the operating system uses. |
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| 15:33.48 | greycat | It's what ntpd (or its equivalents) try to keep in tune. |
| 15:34.07 | jelly | filesystems typically do not care about timezones, which are ideally just for human consumption |
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| 15:34.50 | jelly | so ext4 stores "offset from unix epoch" with some degree of precisiou |
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| 15:35.50 | EdePopede | the standalone thinks it is high noon. the internet pc knows it is in berlin tz and the local time from ntp. so both would store the epoch equivalent of 12pm? |
| 15:36.02 | greycat | The mtime as stored in a file system should be equivalent to what you get when you run "date +%s", or "date +%s.%N" |
| 15:36.13 | jelly | EdePopede: yes. |
| 15:36.29 | EdePopede | ok, now these 2 lines contradict :) |
| 15:36.48 | greycat | It stores what it thinks the SYSTEM TIME is. |
| 15:36.56 | greycat | Which you can see by running date, etc. |
| 15:37.13 | EdePopede | the thing was, i touched a file while the disk was on the standalone, put it back to the net pc and time stamps were in the future |
| 15:37.30 | EdePopede | (the 2 hours tz difference) |
| 15:37.31 | greycat | So one of the system clocks is ahead of the other. |
| 15:38.12 | EdePopede | hm. i'll just retry :) |
| 15:38.28 | jelly | just run "date --utc" or "date +%s" on both. |
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| 15:47.32 | EdePopede | jelly: both behave as expected. on $standalone both times are 17:xx (local time), on $netpc `date --utc` correctly shows 15:xx |
| 15:48.09 | jelly | I did not tell you to look up "local time" |
| 15:48.10 | EdePopede | and: the timestamp of the file touched on $netpc shows 15:xx on the other one. |
| 15:48.26 | jelly | EdePopede: show actual output |
| 15:48.45 | EdePopede | jelly: "local time" != "localtime". local time is the correct legal time on the place where i live |
| 15:48.51 | EdePopede | Fri Sep 14 17:48:51 CEST 2018 |
| 15:49.05 | JohnA | response to greybot "what am I trying to do?" automatically update/maintain TLSA records in my Bind9 DNS whenever Letsencrypt updates my certificates> |
| 15:49.06 | jelly | which one is that, the networked one? |
| 15:49.36 | EdePopede | as i said, here date and bios time differs of course, on the other one both show local time (kerneltime:=biostime) |
| 15:49.46 | EdePopede | noetworked of course (/exec -o) |
| 15:49.58 | jelly | EdePopede: can you showthe actual output from the offline system |
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| 15:50.07 | nyov | EdePopede: there you have the issue, if the $standalone shows 17:00 for both local time and --utc, it has 2hours wrong offset |
| 15:50.25 | nyov | but i might have read this wrong |
| 15:51.23 | jelly | outpuf of the "date --utc" command, that is |
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| 15:52.30 | jelly | EdePopede: what I'm trying to get at is, if the output looks like this: "Fri Sep 14 17:52:00 UTC 2018" |
| 15:52.49 | cmyers | I am extremely disapointed with my recept purchase of system76's top-of-the-line oryx pro. It seems to become a paperweight unless you run their bastardized ubuntu or pop_os. What is the most powerful laptop I can get that will run debian without issue and support multiple external monitors? |
| 15:52.52 | jelly | EdePopede: that is NOT "17:xx (local time)" |
| 15:53.04 | jelly | EdePopede: that's 17:xx UTC. |
| 15:53.15 | greycat | which is in the future |
| 15:53.27 | sZbcE8qNfG | purism |
| 15:53.30 | sZbcE8qNfG | purism librem 5 |
| 15:54.02 | EdePopede | jelly: believe me, i know how late it is here at this moment. |
| 15:54.32 | jelly | EdePopede: just saying you might be misinterpreting the output |
| 15:55.17 | EdePopede | i know the difference between 15 and 17, and i learned to read the clock as a child, so nope |
| 15:55.51 | jelly | 17 does not tell the whole story. |
| 15:55.53 | nyov | well that attitude doesn't help solve your problem |
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| 15:57.22 | nyov | i mean you know the output - why not just tell him |
| 15:57.46 | jelly | EdePopede: timezones are just inventions made to make things easier for humans that live on different places on the planet. Your system does not think in terms of 17:52 UTC, that's just a representation for humans. |
| 15:57.47 | kallenp | Hallo. Please, what are the diferrences when I set /etc/hostname to host.domain.com and hostnamectl set-hostname host.domain.com ? |
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| 15:58.12 | kallenp | whats right content of /etc/hostname ? host or host.domain.com ? |
| 15:58.17 | nyov | hostnamectl ....is that another systemd ugly? |
| 15:58.22 | kallenp | yes |
| 15:58.23 | jelly | Habbie: short name on Debian. |
| 15:58.33 | jelly | kallenp: ^ |
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| 15:59.13 | jelly | kallenp: domain is read from /etc/hosts entry containing the IP, the FQDN and the matching short name, |
| 15:59.43 | jelly | no idea what hostnamectl does. |
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| 16:00.15 | jelly | systemd has many features that turn usual conventions upside down, all for the sake of being able to have a read-only / and /etc |
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| 16:00.35 | nyov | oh man. this systemd. 'we heard you like OS, so we put an OS in your OS?' |
| 16:00.50 | jelly | you don't have to use all the features. |
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| 16:02.07 | jelly | EdePopede: so telling you to run "date +%s" on both systems and compare the output, shows the difference between actual system clocks. |
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| 16:02.28 | chaosfisch | I've run multiple times into situations where one or multiple processes would allocate all of my system memory. The process wouldn't get killed and I then had to hard reboot the computer. If I set maximum memory for the user the processes are running, would this keep the system from freezing? |
| 16:02.34 | jelly | EdePopede: so does comparing "date --utc" outputs, regardless of what you think the outputs mean |
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| 16:04.03 | jhutchins_wk | chaosfisch: What kind of process? |
| 16:04.11 | chaosfisch | jhutchins_wk: llvm's opt |
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| 16:04.17 | chaosfisch | with custom passes |
| 16:04.24 | greycat | chaosfisch: resources limits are per process, not per user. If you arrange for ALL of this user's processes to inherit a resource limit, e.g. by putting one in their master login profile, then that MIGHT work. |
| 16:04.46 | chaosfisch | greycat: so I must set cgroup limits instead? |
| 16:04.49 | greycat | Or it might break legitimate programs that they need to run that need horrendous amounts of memory. Who knows. |
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| 16:05.33 | cmyers | *sigh* https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/9fta19/looking_for_laptop_advice_highend/ |
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| 16:07.20 | nyov | what's with the *sigh* :D |
| 16:07.48 | chaosfisch | would a larger swap help? its only 1G in size, system memory is 32G. |
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| 16:08.14 | jelly | chaosfisch: no, if your workload needs more RAM, get more RAM |
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| 16:08.53 | chaosfisch | jelly: no, I just need the application to crash in such a case, but keep my system alive. |
| 16:09.29 | jelly | giving an memory-starved system more swap just makes it LESS likely the Linux OS is going to recover in a sane amount of time |
| 16:09.47 | greycat | My main point, which *needs* to be clear to you, is that any resource limits you set need to be inherited from the parent process. They do NOT magically spring into existence. If the user runs something in a crontab, the cron job will inherit the resource limits from cron. NOT from the user's "ulimit" commands that they have in their .profile. |
| 16:09.48 | sZbcE8qNfG | what if your swap is a ramdisk? |
| 16:09.52 | bites | cmyers: which debian version. and if it's stable, did you try the kernel in stretch-backports? |
| 16:10.34 | jelly | sZbcE8qNfG: you may be joking but that's actually a valid proposition, zram and put swap on that |
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| 16:12.41 | jelly | chaosfisch: I'd just wrap the apps in softlimit(8) from daemontools for a start |
| 16:13.18 | chaosfisch | jelly: ok, I'll try this |
| 16:13.23 | jelly | cgroups as a second thing to try |
| 16:13.48 | jelly | ,file bin/softlimit |
| 16:13.51 | judd | Search for bin/softlimit in stretch/amd64: daemontools: usr/bin/softlimit |
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| 16:15.24 | JohnA | greycat: "what am I trying to do?" automatically update/maintain TLSA records in my Bind9 DNS whenever Letsencrypt updates my certificates> |
| 16:16.34 | jelly | cmyers: adjust your expectations of being able to run linux flawlessly on latest generation hardware |
| 16:16.43 | EdePopede | so, i've put it all together, if anyone is interrested: http://paste.debian.net/1042218/ |
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| 16:17.43 | jelly | EdePopede: that does not show either "date --utc" or "date +%s" on two sytems |
| 16:17.58 | JohnA | greycat: if you look here https://github.com/zzz2002/Certbot_TLSAgen_Hook this is my certbot renew hook, it to work work until recently. when bind "changed". |
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| 16:19.17 | jelly | JohnA: if you want to check dns records on your own authoritative dns, tell dig to look at that server and not some other server. |
| 16:19.54 | jelly | I suspect you do not, in fact, have control of "example.com" zone |
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| 16:20.17 | cmyers | bites: I tried every debian installer image I could find, 9.5.0, and the alpha |
| 16:20.29 | nyov | ah, cmyers was the poster of that reddit. now I get it |
| 16:20.30 | cmyers | bites: the version I installed with debootstrap was testing |
| 16:20.57 | cmyers | I also have a support issue open with system76 and they have been shockingly useless |
| 16:21.22 | cmyers | I had to send them a video of the boot to convince them I wasn't just "doing it wrong" |
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| 16:21.35 | jelly | cmyers: my rule of thumb when buying for linux is: not latest gen, or it has to have been on the market for at least 12 months |
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| 16:22.07 | JohnA | jelly: doesn't seem to make any difference. if I run on the server using @localhost thing "work" but the answer is different than is I trey on my desktop. both are correct but the format has changed |
| 16:22.09 | cmyers | jelly: that's a good rule of thumb, but my old laptop is dying now, so I guess I am going to have to buy prior gen hardware =( |
| 16:22.32 | nyov | jelly: I learned you can also go wrong with that though. My currentpain is an older AMD graphics card that only works well with fglrx |
| 16:23.06 | jelly | JohnA: can you ask the authoritative server's public IP from both? |
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| 16:23.52 | jelly | JohnA: and also ask for the SOA record for the zone, as a clue to see if you're actually getting to the same machine |
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| 16:25.27 | jelly | nyov: rule of thumb is just a starting point; best try to investigate specific models, hunt for lspci and model name on internet and see what kinds of issues people have |
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| 16:26.53 | jelly | it used to be thinkpad X or T series were a reasonably safe bet. Or Dell XPS 13 for a bit (those that come with ubuntu preloaded). But those are business machines more than "most powerful" |
| 16:28.12 | jelly | cmyers: and oh wow, kernel module written in Rust |
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| 16:28.55 | jelly | it's like some kid went for "weirdest possible way to make kernel-side code" |
| 16:30.15 | JohnA | jelly: everything looks OK. the addresses are correct (ipv4 + ipv6) |
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| 16:37.08 | nyov | who's still using bind these days? isn't that like having a bug-loving fetish? |
| 16:37.13 | nyov | hides |
| 16:37.35 | Habbie | nyov, no.. it's not |
| 16:37.36 | JohnA | jelly: I have to give this a rest. I have to get some other stuff done. Will come back to it later. Thanks for the ideas |
| 16:37.56 | JohnA | nyov: what would you suggest |
| 16:38.20 | nyov | if you want to verify with another tool than dig? you could verify against the output of `drill` |
| 16:38.35 | Habbie | kdig is pretty good as well |
| 16:38.41 | EdePopede | jelly: "date +%s" is nothing else than "date" only formatted for machine usage, less for humans. you can use "date +%" to convert between both. and if you touch a file its mtime is set to exactly that time. all this and more is in my paste. and of course "date --utc" differ: *this* computer is networked and knows all set up, the *other* one is standalone and ignorant, thus uses whatever the bios tells it |
| 16:38.41 | EdePopede | (which is set to the local time, i think that's the default when they are sold) |
| 16:38.57 | nyov | that's in ldnsutils package |
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| 16:39.21 | Habbie | kdig is knot-dnsutils |
| 16:39.25 | nyov | Habbie: i mean something that hasn't bind lib dependencies |
| 16:39.31 | nyov | oh kdig |
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| 16:39.33 | nyov | right |
| 16:39.44 | Habbie | and then there is delv(e) but that is BIND-related |
| 16:39.53 | Habbie | it's basically 'dig done right' |
| 16:39.55 | Habbie | (i haven't used it yet) |
| 16:40.01 | nyov | JohnA: https://github.com/hardware/nsd-dnssec perhaps? |
| 16:40.14 | nyov | ( was just a quick search ) |
| 16:40.23 | Habbie | Do not forget to add a cron task to increment the serial and sign your zone periodically to avoid the expiration of RRSIG RR records! |
| 16:40.24 | JohnA | What is the "problem" with dig. I have been using for about 10yrs |
| 16:40.29 | Habbie | ^ this is not acceptable in 2018 |
| 16:40.43 | hatseflats | Anyone know where I could find some ancient diskette images for debian 3.x? I just noticed my old set of disks has become corrupted over time, and I'd like do a fresh install on an ancient laptop w/o cd or net capabilities |
| 16:40.44 | Habbie | JohnA, i did not read back, but speaking from experience, dig is still one of the best dns debugging tools around |
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| 16:41.26 | nyov | hatseflats: maybe you're lucky on https://snapshot.debian.org/ ? |
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| 16:41.42 | cusco | hello |
| 16:42.06 | cusco | I believe I've already asked this before, but I tried finding in logs and my keywords are not hitting anything.. heh.. Ill ask again |
| 16:42.09 | hatseflats | nyov: looks promising, I'll dig about, thanks |
| 16:42.35 | nyov | I don't remember what dir the floppy images used to be in |
| 16:42.54 | cusco | a machine has two network interfaces.. with 2 different routes.. right now with different metrics ... |
| 16:43.19 | cusco | I would like to be able to achieve and reply traffic from the second interface via the same interface it came in |
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| 16:43.51 | jfbourdeau | is back (gone 02:25:45) |
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| 16:44.05 | nyov | hatseflats: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ and http://archive.debian.org/debian/tools/ |
| 16:44.20 | nyov | for rawrite |
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| 16:46.54 | nyov | actually it seems 'dosutils' in http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-3.0/main/disks-i386/current/ has the tool of that version and README explains how to write rescue.bin to a floppy |
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| 16:54.11 | nyov | oh man, now I kinda feel like installing good old Slink again. my first debian install |
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| 16:55.00 | kminor | Do you guys know how to tell APT in jessie that you want postfix as default-MTA instead of exim4? |
| 16:55.31 | kminor | It wont let me specify & always tries to remove postfix & install exim4 |
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| 16:55.53 | greycat | if postfix is properly installed, this shouldn't happen |
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| 16:56.54 | annadane | trying to start synaptic in i3wm gives polkit-agent-helper-1: error response to PolicyKit daemon: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: No session for cookie - both policykit-1 and policykit-1-gnome are installed, suggestions on how to fix? |
| 16:57.16 | greycat | Is 'use apt' a good suggestion? |
| 16:57.25 | kminor | i just did a dist-upgrade & postfix is installed & running, everytime I do apt-get install default-mta mail-transport-agent that courier-base depends on it tries to install exim4-light & uninstall postfix |
| 16:57.51 | greycat | kminor: stop typing 'apt-get install default-mta mail-transport-agent' |
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| 17:01.41 | greycat | root@meglin2:~# apt-cache show postfix | grep Provide |
| 17:01.42 | greycat | Provides: mail-transport-agent |
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| 17:02.53 | kminor | greycat: Yeah but then when i do apt-get upgrade it always tries to remove postfix & install exim4 and i dont want it too |
| 17:03.03 | greycat | Then something else is wrong. |
| 17:03.31 | greycat | having postfix PROPERLY installed, configured, all ready and set, provides the "mail-transport-agent" virtual package, which satisfies the dependency |
| 17:03.36 | kminor | Yea it says it needs default-mta & mail-transport-agent for courier-pop dependencies package |
| 17:03.44 | greycat | (which by the way is in courier-imap, not in courier-base) |
| 17:04.35 | greycat | Figure out why it doesn't think postfix is properly installed. |
| 17:06.16 | kminor | becuase when i try to dpkg --configure postfix it exits saying mail-transport-agent already provided! insserve: exiting now! |
| 17:07.06 | greycat | what does "dpkg -l postfix | tail -1" say? |
| 17:07.33 | nyov | annadane: looks like some bug: try some of these ideas here? https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/18012#issuecomment-335350903 |
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| 17:08.23 | nyov | this bug here may be related: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=841878 |
| 17:08.24 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/841878 in policykit-1 (closed): «policykit-1: Authentication fails with valid credentials»; severity: important; opened: 2016-10-24; last modified: 2017-01-27. |
| 17:09.04 | kminor | iF postfix 2.11.3-1+deb8u2 i386 High-performance mail transport agent |
| 17:09.37 | greycat | So the configuration is failing for some reason :( |
| 17:09.49 | greycat | Is there some piece of exim4 that's *also* installed? |
| 17:11.02 | kminor | no i made sure to purge all exim packages b4hand. The mail-transfer-agent just always tries to install exim instead |
| 17:11.29 | greycat | Stop focusing on that, and focus on that "iF" in dpkg's output. You need to find out why the postfix package config is failing. |
| 17:12.03 | nyov | and what does apt/aptitude try to fix when you run it in cleanup mode (apt-get check or so)? |
| 17:12.13 | nyov | without any packages on the line |
| 17:12.49 | greycat | If there's no local config that you need to preserve, I might be tempted to try "dpkg --purge --force-depends postfix" to clear it out, and then try installing postfix again. |
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| 17:14.10 | nyov | that's brutal |
| 17:15.16 | jfbourdeau | is away: You can find me on https://forum.elivelinux.org |
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| 17:18.19 | mason | hm, is there an |
| 17:18.20 | mason | !away |
| 17:18.20 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BitchX, /set auto_away off; in XChat, Preferences > Chatting > General > uncheck Announce Away Messages; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 17:18.20 | Robby | still announcing away messages |
| 17:18.27 | mason | jfbourdeau: ^ |
| 17:18.52 | jfbourdeau | yes masa_ |
| 17:18.57 | jfbourdeau | mason |
| 17:20.10 | jfbourdeau | ok I know why your pinging me... It seem my IRC client still annoucing away sorry ... I am new to IRC and XCHat |
| 17:20.27 | mason | jfbourdeau: No worries. The dpkg help message might help. |
| 17:20.42 | jfbourdeau | :-/ ok tks |
| 17:21.03 | jelly | kminor: can you show the complete output of "dpkg --configure postfix" |
| 17:22.41 | jelly | kminor: also, is this system initially installed with Debian 8 or was it release upgraded from an earlier release? Did you intentionally keep sysvinit instead of systemd? |
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| 17:27.26 | forgon | `sudo vbetool dpms off` fails after suspending to RAM, without CLI output. How could I debug this? |
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| 17:36.26 | kminor | update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header |
| 17:36.26 | kminor | dpkg: error processing package postfix (--configure): |
| 17:36.26 | kminor | update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header |
| 17:36.26 | kminor | dpkg: error processing package postfix (--configure): |
| 17:36.27 | dpkg | kminor: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 17:36.56 | kminor | subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 17:37.19 | kminor | insserv: script postfix: service mail-transport-agent already provided! |
| 17:37.20 | kminor | insserv: exiting now! |
| 17:37.20 | kminor | insserv: script postfix: service mail-transport-agent already provided! |
| 17:37.20 | kminor | insserv: exiting now! |
| 17:37.23 | kminor | whoos |
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| 17:37.28 | kminor | whoops |
| 17:37.36 | greycat | use http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:38.03 | greycat | Also it would be good to know the answer to jelly's question -- is this a systemd box or a sysvinit box? |
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| 17:44.19 | jelly | kminor: pastebin the contents of /etc/init.d/postfix and output of "grep mail-transport-agent /etc/init.d/*" |
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| 17:45.16 | jelly | (insserv code path should not happen on a systemd install, systemd does its own completely different sysvinit compat thing) |
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| 17:45.57 | jelly | kminor: and also "dpkg -l sysvinit\* systemd\*" |
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| 17:47.49 | kminor | https://pastebin.com/GxZqFTz4 |
| 17:49.02 | greycat | A piece of exim4 is clearly still present (you removed rather than purging?) |
| 17:49.06 | kminor | https://pastebin.com/Hd8dFdp6 |
| 17:49.34 | greycat | I'm guessing insserv's error comes from seeing /etc/init.d/exim4:# Provides: exim4 mail-transport-agent |
| 17:50.01 | kminor | nope.. there is no exim packages installed whatsoever |
| 17:50.16 | greycat | what does "dpkg -S /etc/init.d/exim4" say? |
| 17:52.05 | kminor | ahhh you fixed it greycat! it wasn't exim4-base wasnt purged |
| 17:52.33 | greycat | Credit to jelly for knowing enough about insserv to run that grep command. |
| 17:53.09 | kminor | now to fix apache2 lol... My php5 module packages my built from source ISP control panel uses don't have modules loading even when i pick php5 over php6 to run |
| 17:54.04 | kminor | Yea thanks jelly also... one down one to go ;) |
| 17:54.30 | jelly | i don't think there's such a thing as php6 |
| 17:54.54 | jelly | there was a 5.6 |
| 17:55.05 | greycat | It's like Windows 97. |
| 17:55.21 | jelly | built in the 19A0s |
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| 17:56.25 | jelly | https://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/10/19a0/ |
| 17:56.41 | kminor | Well it says apache2 can't start and references apache2.conf line 185 |
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| 17:57.11 | kminor | Which is include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load and it's some php5 .so module that is the hold up one sek i'll find out |
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| 18:01.21 | jelly | kminor: "apachectl configtest" |
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| 18:09.35 | kminor | jelly: It seems my /etc/apache2/httpd.conf is missing for some reason |
| 18:10.48 | jelly | kminor: probably because you do not live in 2003 any more. It's gone. |
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| 18:12.18 | jelly | kminor: you may want a refresh on the config: zless /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz |
| 18:13.38 | kminor | https://pastebin.com/EAAXmzfR |
| 18:14.38 | kminor | Include /etc/apache2/conf.d/ is on line 195 |
| 18:16.51 | greycat | I don't have a jessie-apache2 box to compare, but my stretch-apache2 box has no /etc/apache2/conf.d/ nor any mention of any conf.d anywhere I looked. |
| 18:17.07 | jelly | kminor: the most interesting line there is cut off at the right side. Can you show output of "apachectl configtest"? |
| 18:18.15 | kminor | yea i commented that out but heres my pastebin |
| 18:18.19 | kminor | https://pastebin.com/shDpibXc |
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| 18:18.25 | jelly | (there's no such directory even on jessie) |
| 18:18.56 | kminor | LockFile /var/lock/apache2/accept.lock is on that line |
| 18:19.51 | jelly | kminor: are you SURE this config comes from Debian? It looks more like a centos/rhel machine |
| 18:20.25 | jelly | kminor: when was the last time this apache installation actually worked? |
| 18:20.30 | kminor | jelly: well I have an old ISPConfig 2 control panel that worked from etch to wheezy er debian 7 and on dist-upgrade to jessie everythings broke |
| 18:20.40 | kminor | before dist-upgrade yesterday |
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| 18:21.16 | jelly | can you restore the whole back to debian 7 from a backup? |
| 18:21.22 | jelly | the whole system* |
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| 18:21.55 | kminor | Yea I can... I was hoping to get this working tho since its the last issue |
| 18:23.14 | jelly | I'd clone or snapshot the system, purge everything apache2 related, move any remaining contents of /etc/apache2 away, install apache again and configure it from scratch |
| 18:23.49 | jelly | alternatively, contact the support people for your control panel. |
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| 18:24.40 | greycat | or transplant a standard jessie apache2 config and then figure out what you need to add to make all your stuff work |
| 18:24.48 | greycat | or migrate to nginx |
| 18:25.04 | jelly | or pay someone to dig in and fix things step by step, it's a bit too customized for me to even bother trying to fix it via irc |
| 18:26.20 | jelly | that system is _weird_. There're all the systemd components, and sysvinit-core is missing, but it appears to have been booted with sysvinit active. |
| 18:26.32 | jelly | shit's broken yo |
| 18:27.04 | kminor | yea man.. it's giving me a headache... this system is so old |
| 18:27.05 | jelly | kminor: just to satisfy my curiosity, what does "cat /proc/1/comm" say? |
| 18:27.27 | kminor | systemd |
| 18:27.50 | jelly | then insserv should _not_ matter (or even be running in postinst scripts) |
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| 18:29.00 | jelly | (and I guessed wrong about the active init) |
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| 18:32.55 | jelly | kminor: did you follow the release upgrade procedure from jessie release notes? |
| 18:33.08 | jelly | (up until stuff broke) |
| 18:33.27 | kminor | jelly: yea.. hey i appreciate the help I will brb gotta client call |
| 18:34.23 | jelly | because apache going from 2.2 -> 2.4 breaks things even with a relatively default setup |
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| 18:35.06 | GNU\colossus | that's outrageous; people ought to get their money back! |
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| 18:35.26 | kminor | yea i hear ya |
| 18:35.37 | greycat | I'm sure it gave that extra bit of incentive for a few people to finally migrate to nginx. |
| 18:35.56 | annadane | which reminds me, when dealing with support questions like someone upgrading from oldoldstable, is it recommended to tell people to read the release notes for oldoldstable -> oldstable or just the most recent release notes? |
| 18:35.58 | GNU\colossus | and end up in different kind of hell |
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| 18:36.15 | GNU\colossus | annadane, since you cannot release releases: gotta read them all |
| 18:36.16 | jelly | annadane: there is no skipping release |
| 18:36.21 | GNU\colossus | since you cannot SKIP releases |
| 18:36.21 | jelly | releases* |
| 18:36.22 | greycat | each step has its own release notes that should be read and followed, one by one |
| 18:36.30 | GNU\colossus | I meant to type |
| 18:36.49 | GNU\colossus | (chances are you can't release releases either, however) |
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| 18:36.53 | annadane | right, i know you can't skip releases. i was just wondering if it would be important to read every iteration of release notes - i suppose yes, you should always do that |
| 18:37.32 | annadane | like an upgrade of wheezy -> jessie -> stretch. read jessie release notes (or rather, tell other people who have support questions like that to) as well as stretch or just stretch? |
| 18:37.42 | greycat | both |
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| 18:38.14 | jelly | annadane: that question kind of says you haven't done much of release upgrades and probably should abstain from offering support with those procedures |
| 18:38.55 | jelly | for a X -> X+1 release upgrade, read X+1 documentation and its release notes. |
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| 18:42.22 | jelly | so there's no "wheezy -> jessie -> stretch", there's only "wheezy -> jessie" and "jessie -> stretch". |
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| 18:50.35 | ksk | LaScoumoune: what are you trying to do? On my debian, openvpn does come with a systemd unit file which is used to start the openvpn service. |
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| 18:54.07 | LaScoumoune | ksk, i have make my interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces.d/wlp; in /etc/openvpn/if-pre-up.d/wlptools i have add "openvpn myvpn". When i run --> ifup wlp, that work but openvpn try to run before interfaces is up |
| 18:54.46 | JordiGH | Firefox 60 isn't rendering checkboxes for me. Anyone else seeing this problem with Firefox 60? https://jordi.platinum.edu.pl/tmp/lol.html |
| 18:54.48 | LaScoumoune | you know, all work but openvpn, try to run the ip link for tun, but the network link wlp is not finish to mount |
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| 18:55.14 | LaScoumoune | yea firefox 60 dont work with xt-ublock pacquet ahaha |
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| 18:55.33 | JordiGH | It's ublock that's breaking it? |
| 18:55.36 | LaScoumoune | xul-ext-ublock-origin |
| 18:55.49 | s8ori | anybody have a link that explains debians package manager and how to properly use it? |
| 18:55.49 | greycat | Works for me. |
| 18:55.53 | LaScoumoune | yea dont work with firefox-esr 60 |
| 18:56.02 | LaScoumoune | realy ? because me that didn't work |
| 18:56.08 | greycat | !handbook |
| 18:56.08 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 18:56.14 | greycat | s8ori: start there ^ maybe? |
| 18:56.16 | s8ori | cool |
| 18:56.19 | s8ori | thanks |
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| 18:56.58 | JordiGH | greycat: On Firefox 60? Really? |
| 18:57.09 | JordiGH | LaScoumoune: Removing ublock doesn't fix that checkbox. |
| 18:58.18 | greycat | JordiGH: yes, on Debian's firefox-esr 60. I don't know what's specifically causing your problem, but you might look into gtk3 configs. |
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| 18:59.27 | greycat | a quick search coughed up https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1091136 |
| 18:59.30 | greycat | don't know if that's helpful |
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| 19:02.14 | JordiGH | Hm, works in -safe-mode |
| 19:02.19 | JordiGH | Guess it's time to blame an extension. |
| 19:03.26 | JordiGH | Disabling all extensions doesn't do it... |
| 19:03.43 | greycat | My instinct/guesswork says "gtk3 theme". |
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| 19:05.28 | JordiGH | But changing the GTK theme entirely doesn't change this. |
| 19:05.36 | LaScoumoune | what is you're problem JordiGH or apt install --reinstall firefox-esr |
| 19:06.02 | LaScoumoune | maybe the dependancy |
| 19:06.07 | JordiGH | What is reinstalling going to do? It's obviously a config problem if -safe-mode fixes it. |
| 19:06.15 | JordiGH | reinstalling isn't going to wipe my configs. |
| 19:06.31 | LaScoumoune | no |
| 19:06.40 | LaScoumoune | no you're config files |
| 19:07.00 | greycat | It's always amusing seeing responses to people I have on /ignore, especially when the responses are basically "no, dumbass". |
| 19:07.01 | JordiGH | Dit-moi en français, je comprends pas ton anglais. |
| 19:07.16 | LaScoumoune | lol |
| 19:07.18 | JordiGH | lol |
| 19:07.28 | LaScoumoune | sorry for my english |
| 19:07.32 | jelly | LaScoumoune: none of xul-ext-* will work with 60esr, support for legacy extensions was dropped around firefox 57 |
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| 19:08.18 | jelly | if you trust them, grab the updated ad blocker of your choice directly from mozilla's addons pages |
| 19:08.38 | LaScoumoune | jelly: i have install firefox-esr and xul-ext-ublock, for fresh install, and actualy that didnt work, the past with 57 work good, so i dont know |
| 19:08.50 | LaScoumoune | maybe i do retry but its very easy to see that |
| 19:08.58 | jelly | well, I do know and I'm telling you. |
| 19:09.40 | jelly | the xul-ext-* packages are useless with firefox-esr 60 |
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| 19:10.20 | jelly | (any legacy extensions installed from addons.mozilla.org will also be useless, and automatically disabled) |
| 19:11.18 | jelly | (and if you downgrade firefox, they'll remain disabled for reasons unknown. You'll have to restore the profile from backup from when firefox-esr 60 did not touch it yet) |
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| 19:12.10 | greycat | And the about:addons page links to https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/npapi-plugins?as=u&utm_source=inproduct (or rather a thing that redirects there) to explain why. |
| 19:13.11 | jelly | there are some minor forks of firefox that try to keep xul extensions compatibility but none are packaged in debian |
| 19:13.24 | LaScoumoune | yea so for moment that work with addon firefox and no by apt xul-ext-ublock |
| 19:13.41 | jelly | just use uBlock Origin from addons.mozilla.org |
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| 19:14.16 | mspe | uh guys |
| 19:14.25 | jelly | gals |
| 19:14.31 | mspe | there are webext-* packages for firefox quantum in the repos |
| 19:14.35 | greycat | sentient beings |
| 19:14.42 | jelly | are there now |
| 19:14.56 | greycat | wooledg:~$ apt-cache search --names-only webext |
| 19:14.56 | greycat | wooledg:~$ |
| 19:15.11 | greycat | Can you give us a specific package name? |
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| 19:15.24 | jelly | not yet in stretch or -updates or -backports it seems |
| 19:16.09 | mspe | yes, if you do pinning from testing or sid, but for example webext-ublock-origin has only 1 dependency to fonts |
| 19:16.24 | greycat | ,v webext-ublock-origin |
| 19:16.25 | judd | Package: webext-ublock-origin on amd64 -- buster: 1.16.14+dfsg-1; sid: 1.16.14+dfsg-2 |
| 19:16.32 | greycat | sounds like a #debian-next thing |
| 19:16.38 | LaScoumoune | with firefox-esr you cant add addon by firefox.org |
| 19:17.28 | mspe | if we do pinning, are we supposed to post in #debian or #debian-next? cause it's inbetween the two XD |
| 19:17.32 | jelly | that thing will have to be backported |
| 19:17.56 | jelly | mspe: pinning will not help you if you're mixing a newer release into your system |
| 19:18.06 | jelly | "don't do that' |
| 19:18.08 | greycat | You don't do "pinning". Ever. If you manually download a single .deb from a future repository and install it and it happens to work, well, congrats, but don't expect anyone to be able to support you next time when it stops working. |
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| 19:19.00 | jelly | if you have a "stretch" installation, use repos with packages specifically made for "stretch" |
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| 19:19.52 | jelly | that may include third party or first party repos with newer versions of stuff that are specifically built to work with stretch |
| 19:19.57 | mspe | I know that song very well. I only do pinning for very specific things with only no dependency or a handful. And I also boot squashfs read-only backups of my system in ram, so I can rollback any time I want. For example yesterday I tried to use backported linux 4.17 and firefox sid pinning 62, it broke the system and I rollbacked. I'm not a basic user. |
| 19:21.00 | jelly | mspe: okay, but then you don't ask questions here, and you don't ask questions in #debian-next either because that kind of setup is unsupportable :-) |
| 19:21.24 | greycat | https://packages.debian.org/buster/webext-ublock-origin looks like a really easy backport to do. |
| 19:22.11 | mspe | yeah, backports of webexts would be very welcome since firefox-esr just migrated to quantum |
| 19:24.03 | mspe | now that I write it, seems even illogical that it's not already done |
| 19:24.27 | jelly | yeah dunno, I get my extensions from mozilla and use debian's and mozilla's build interchangeably |
| 19:24.46 | LaScoumoune | webext-ublock-origin or xul-ext-ublock-origin |
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| 19:24.50 | greycat | I never even knew there *were* packages of browser extensions. I've only ever downloaded those directly from upstream places. |
| 19:25.13 | jelly | so my profile might be different from a normal user's and maybe debian really blocks installing extenstions from mozilla directly |
| 19:25.16 | mspe | the advantage of doing so is that the extensions are availoable to all users of the system |
| 19:25.25 | LaScoumoune | i have just one and its ublock by apt repo |
| 19:25.56 | LaScoumoune | just make user.js for other privacy |
| 19:29.58 | LaScoumoune | because webext-ublock-origin cant find but xul-ext-ublock-origin and dont work |
| 19:30.12 | jelly | ,checkbackport webext-ublock-origin |
| 19:30.13 | judd | Backporting package webext-ublock-origin in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports. |
| 19:30.54 | LaScoumoune | ok so which i use xul or wbext with strecht 9 ? |
| 19:31.06 | rakor | I wanted to reduce an logical volume using the rescue-system. Poorly it does not ship fsadm. is there a way do get fsadm there or should I use an other rescuesystem? |
| 19:32.40 | jelly | LaScoumoune: you CANNOT use xul any more |
| 19:32.51 | LaScoumoune | ok jelly |
| 19:32.58 | LaScoumoune | i hop you say the trust |
| 19:33.01 | jelly | they do not work, and will not work again |
| 19:33.15 | mspe | you can't use xul-ext-* anymore |
| 19:33.27 | jelly | that's what "useless" means, they are not of any use |
| 19:33.40 | mspe | and you don't have yet webext-* available in stretch |
| 19:33.56 | mspe | so you're just screwed |
| 19:34.39 | LaScoumoune | no i had backport and install webext |
| 19:34.41 | greycat | You can install the extension from mozilla, or you can backport the buster package, or you can live without it, or you can use a different browser. |
| 19:35.30 | LaScoumoune | i do install by backport, because i dont install by webrowser i will try it |
| 19:36.33 | mspe | there are no backported webext versions yet in the repos |
| 19:36.46 | LaScoumoune | yea i see that i have just try |
| 19:36.47 | mspe | so is there easy backport process available for the masses? |
| 19:36.53 | greycat | !simple sid backport |
| 19:36.53 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 19:38.04 | LaScoumoune | ok yea that the better way i see |
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| 19:42.59 | LaScoumoune | finaly i prefer screw like mspe say |
| 19:44.13 | hexhaxtron | Any help with this? http://paste.debian.net/1042249/ |
| 19:45.06 | mspe | for tiny stuff like that I use pinning with caution, but when you talk about pinning people crucify you |
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| 19:45.59 | greycat | hexhaxtron: whatever those errors mean, they are in the thing you are running. systemd ran it. So the systemd part seems OK. |
| 19:46.35 | greycat | tries to find the "raw" link or "show as text" link on paste.debian.net pages |
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| 19:50.02 | jelly | /plain/number |
| 19:50.26 | greycat | OK, works... now where is that documented... |
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| 19:50.56 | jelly | on the page show after you create a paste |
| 19:50.57 | jelly | :-) |
| 19:51.16 | jelly | showN |
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| 19:51.28 | greycat | It would be helpful if it were also shown to READERS of the paste. |
| 19:52.07 | jelly | it will be added next to the link used to report bugs and wishlists |
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| 19:53.28 | jelly | (there is no link used to report bugs and wishlists) |
| 19:53.58 | greycat | (I noticed) |
| 19:54.19 | EdePopede | (the one above the Flattr button could be seen as such) |
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| 20:22.54 | kminor | Hey guys, my apache server says it starts but nmap localhost shows no port 80... & i had my ispconfig2 control panel working on port 81 but now auth doesnt work.. it think when i upgraded maintainers php.ini... if i could just get my webserver up |
| 20:23.18 | greycat | Look for errors, in systemctl status apache2, and in /var/log/apache2/* |
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| 20:26.02 | Brigo | kminor, check if there is something listening in port 80 with netstat |
| 20:26.26 | greycat | or lsof -i :80 |
| 20:26.31 | greycat | or simply "telnet localhost 80" |
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| 20:27.16 | Brigo | greycat, i don't trust the telnet because maybe the port is blocked somehow. |
| 20:28.19 | greycat | if you've got a firewall on loopback, then something is very wrong with you |
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| 20:28.44 | bitlan | hello |
| 20:28.49 | lobata | hi |
| 20:29.15 | kminor | nope no firewall... error log shows some failures one sek |
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| 20:29.38 | bitlan | it's posible to change raid 1 to raid 10 (on Perc H710 mini) ? |
| 20:29.52 | bitlan | without erase data |
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| 20:35.50 | kminor | Ohhh it's my vhosts that aren't redirecting |
| 20:35.50 | kminor | does something need to be installed so .. er wait |
| 20:36.35 | kminor | Yeah my webserver is up.. if I go to my internal IP. It's just not sending ppl to the vhosts my domains send it too like it's suppossed to |
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| 20:37.01 | kminor | Could there be a vhost module or something I'm missing? Everything works except for redirecting to the domain name.... so odd. |
| 20:37.18 | kminor | Im stumped... let me know if anyone has any suggestions |
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| 20:39.19 | jelly | kminor: are these sites supposed to be visible from the internet? pastebin the output of "apachectl -S" |
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| 20:41.28 | kminor | ok one sek |
| 20:41.39 | kminor | jelly: yea they're suppossed to be visible. |
| 20:42.05 | gedia | hello, is there any way to replace the /sbin/ip binary provided by busybox with the one from iproute2 in the initramfs? |
| 20:42.26 | jelly | kminor: then you probably want to scan the publicly visible ip and not "localhost" when testing |
| 20:44.11 | kminor | huh.. i can't find my ipv4 address external.. just ipv6 |
| 20:44.15 | kminor | that's wierd |
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| 20:44.43 | kminor | im on the 1gigabit google fiber... but it usually gives me a v4 and v6 ip |
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| 21:06.02 | jhutchins_wk | kmYour router forgot it's port forwarding |
| 21:07.22 | jhutchins | ... or the squirrels chewed through his fiber. |
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| 21:19.42 | ws2k3 | i use debian 8 with an areca ARC-1880 raid controller. but it seems it cant view the smart status of the drives ErrMsg: Drive# Is Not SATA H.D.D when i request the smart status maby anyone has a clue |
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| 21:22.20 | bites | ws2k3: what is the command you used? |
| 21:22.45 | ws2k3 | bites this is with cli64 a tool from areca itself |
| 21:23.15 | ws2k3 | bites i also tryed with smartctl but it seems the firmware that is currently running in the raid controller is to low for smartctl to work with |
| 21:23.43 | bites | did you pass the right options to smartctl for your areca controller? https://www.smartmontools.org/wiki/Supported_RAID-Controllers |
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| 21:24.29 | bites | can't really comment on that proprietary tool. i only have 3Ware and Megaraid. |
| 21:25.18 | ws2k3 | bites http://faq.areca.com.tw/index.php?action=artikel&cat=11&id=85&artlang=en Smartmontools function can support from firmware 1.5.1 i have Firmware Version : V1.49 2011-08-02 |
| 21:25.47 | bites | then i have nothing. |
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| 21:26.36 | ws2k3 | bites i tryed it with smartctl -a -d areca,1 /dev/sg1 but not much more then alot of dodgy errors |
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| 21:36.02 | hexhaxtron | Why is clisp not in the repository? |
| 21:36.21 | hexhaxtron | Is it okay to get it from Sid? |
| 21:37.38 | somiaj | ,v clisp |
| 21:37.39 | judd | Package: clisp on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.49-8.1; buster: 1:2.49.20180218+really2.49.92-3+b1; sid: 1:2.49.20180218+really2.49.92-3+b1 |
| 21:37.59 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 21:37.59 | dpkg | somebody said dont break debian was https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 21:38.28 | somiaj | hexhaxtron: ^^ in general you don't want to install a package from buster/sid in stretch, that can break your system, that page has some suggstions. In this case you might be able to backport it yourself. |
| 21:39.08 | somiaj | https://tracker.debian.org/news/566176/clisp-removed-from-testing/ |
| 21:39.22 | EdePopede | ah, that's where FrankenDebian comes from |
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| 21:40.00 | hexhaxtron | somiaj, I got backports. |
| 21:40.04 | hexhaxtron | somiaj, I did: apt-get -t stretch-backports install clisp |
| 21:40.12 | hexhaxtron | E: Package 'clisp' has no installation candidate |
| 21:40.19 | somiaj | looks like the package had some depends problems and the matainer didn't fix it back in the testing stage, so it was removed, but it is now comming back in |
| 21:40.27 | somiaj | hexhaxtron: you have to make the backport, since no one has made one |
| 21:40.34 | somiaj | this means you basically need to build the software from source |
| 21:40.35 | somiaj | !ssb |
| 21:40.35 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 21:40.42 | hexhaxtron | Ah, okay! Thanks! |
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| 22:04.19 | DeathTickle | Hi I'm puzzled by a debian packaging weirdness. I have this bug involving lxcfs (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=843450) that is supposedly fixed in Source-Version: 2.0.7-2. But when I check the available lxcfs for stretch i get Version: 2.0.7-1 |
| 22:04.20 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/843450 in libpam-cgfs (closed): «lxc: Corrupt /proc/self/cgroup / Failed to get list of controllers»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-11-06; last modified: 2017-08-19. |
| 22:05.12 | DeathTickle | I confirmed this on the tracker (https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/lxcfs). But it seems https://tracker.debian.org/news/858000/lxcfs-207-2-migrated-to-testing/ although no new package version for stretch. |
| 22:05.32 | somiaj | DeathTickle: stretch is a (mostly) frozen system. As such packages will not migrate into stretch. |
| 22:05.59 | somiaj | only grave bugs and security fixes get put into stretch, and these enter stretch via security or point releases, which is not the same process as standard update. |
| 22:06.30 | somiaj | So this is normal, that a bug gets fixed in testing/sid, but the bug remains in stretch (and will remain) unless it is considered grave enough to backport to the frozen version in stretch. |
| 22:07.05 | DeathTickle | somiaj: yes, I was wondering if that source package had been submitted in time to be included in stretch as it was only 2 months after the original version |
| 22:07.26 | somiaj | ,v lxcfs |
| 22:07.27 | judd | Package: lxcfs on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 2.0.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.0.7-1; buster: 2.0.8-1; sid: 2.0.8-1 |
| 22:07.50 | DeathTickle | and testing got an even newer version. So 2.0.7-2 is just wasted. |
| 22:08.04 | somiaj | nope, stretch froze with 2.0.7-1 and that fix wasn't able to make it in. You will have to backport a newer version if needed. |
| 22:08.15 | somiaj | well 2.0.7-2 was there until a new upstream was released |
| 22:08.29 | DeathTickle | there in testing |
| 22:08.30 | somiaj | testing is a moving target, so lots of things get into testing then thrown out by the release |
| 22:08.46 | somiaj | correct, but if you want it in stretch, you'll have to backport it from testing yourself |
| 22:09.06 | DeathTickle | so should I request an inclusion of 2.0.7-2 in stretch-backports or something ? |
| 22:09.40 | somiaj | Unless someone actually creates a package, it won't happen. And most cases it will be 2.0.8-1 from buster that gets backported instead. |
| 22:10.04 | somiaj | I'm unsure how one requests a thing. I personally would just make my own backport if it was important. |
| 22:10.07 | somiaj | !ssb |
| 22:10.08 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 22:11.30 | DeathTickle | yeah, I wouldn't want to build the package |
| 22:12.11 | somiaj | if everything can be built nicely in stretch, it is a fairly painless process (mostly automated) |
| 22:12.18 | somiaj | the issue is if any depends can't be satsified in stretch |
| 22:12.47 | somiaj | you also might be able to find 2.0.7-2 on snapshot.debian.org and the binary package maybe nice enough still to be installable in stretch. |
| 22:13.12 | somiaj | but be careful here, I usually only mention the backport becase this is the safest method unless you really know what you are doing, in which case you most likely won't be asking. |
| 22:13.13 | DeathTickle | it looks painless, its more that this isn't a build server I have |
| 22:13.34 | somiaj | I use chroots myself for such a thing, then just copy over the resulting .deb's |
| 22:13.41 | somiaj | that way I don't have to install the build stuff on the actual server |
| 22:14.09 | DeathTickle | thanks I didn't know about the snapshot site |
| 22:14.39 | DeathTickle | and hurray it is there |
| 22:15.31 | somiaj | be careful, it could be the package won't install nicely in stretch (it was built in sid), but since, as you said it was only 2 months later, it might be just fine |
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| 22:15.53 | somiaj | also realize you won't get any security support on that package any more either. |
| 22:15.55 | zumba_ad_ | hi folks, how do I disable ipv6 in the kernel, most likely in grub? |
| 22:16.02 | zumba_ad_ | i don't want /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 22:16.16 | somiaj | !disable ipv6 |
| 22:16.16 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 22:16.36 | somiaj | note, this is strongly not recommended on modern systems. |
| 22:16.49 | zumba_ad_ | thanks dpkg |
| 22:17.04 | zumba_ad_ | I put it like this `GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="ipv6.disable=1 splash quiet" ` |
| 22:17.07 | zumba_ad_ | looks good? |
| 22:17.15 | DeathTickle | thanks somiaj I realise that. I will try to setup alerts on updates to the package. |
| 22:17.29 | zumba_ad_ | I update /etc/default/grub |
| 22:19.47 | aloo_shu | in /var/lib/apt/lists, there are some very large files like deb.debian.org_debian_dists_stretch_main_Contents-amd64.lz4 , which purpose do they serve? |
| 22:20.27 | nyov | zumba_ad_: just curious, why _not_ sysctl? |
| 22:20.37 | zumba_ad_ | :D |
| 22:20.49 | zumba_ad_ | module |
| 22:20.53 | aloo_shu | that is, what are compressed 'content' files, as opposed to 'packages' files |
| 22:21.50 | DeathTickle | zumba_ad_: could you explain what you mean by "module" ? |
| 22:22.15 | zumba_ad_ | i meant kernel module |
| 22:22.54 | zumba_ad_ | i guess that if only disabling ipv6 via sysctl, the module still gets load. I just ran lsmod |grep ipv and I only saw version 4 |
| 22:23.24 | DeathTickle | okay so you don't want the ipv6 kernel module to get loaded |
| 22:23.26 | zumba_ad_ | I updated grub and restarted. the module isn't loaded anymore. I'll start my testing but not sure if it will work |
| 22:23.32 | zumba_ad_ | yeah, I don't want |
| 22:23.44 | zumba_ad_ | but it may not be the culprit and for sure it's not the culprit |
| 22:23.52 | zumba_ad_ | it's friggin ExpressJS |
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| 22:25.29 | DeathTickle | node :-O |
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| 22:39.22 | aloo_shu | in /var/lib/apt/lists, there are some very large files like deb.debian.org_debian_dists_stretch_main_Contents-amd64.lz4 , which purpose do they serve? |
| 22:39.22 | aloo_shu | that is, what are compressed 'content' files, as opposed to 'packages' files |
| 22:41.16 | rydare | aloo_shu: i'm not 100% sure but i think that's where apt stores the contents of the repository |
| 22:41.24 | rydare | i.e. what gets updated when you do apt update |
| 22:43.16 | EdePopede | weird. my copy has 50M, the one in https://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/ 30M (but compressed with gz) (should it be the same) |
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| 22:44.49 | rydare | EdePopede: it's possible it's storing older versions to |
| 22:44.51 | rydare | o |
| 22:44.59 | rydare | but i'm not entirely sure |
| 22:45.02 | rydare | this is just my guess |
| 22:45.18 | EdePopede | timestamp is the sanme |
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| 22:48.23 | EdePopede | hm. liblz4-1:amd64 is installed, but not the tool |
| 22:49.23 | aloo_shu | rydare, thx |
| 22:50.09 | EdePopede | Successfully decoded 458159900 bytes <-- gzip reports same size for its version and 93% compression ratio |
| 22:50.29 | aloo_shu | EdePopede, yeah, just got there, too, xarchiver doesn't open lz4 - esoteric |
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| 22:50.59 | EdePopede | ist it the same thing firefox uses for some time now? |
| 22:51.35 | EdePopede | i just became friend with xz (great ratio, but needs all cpu it can get) |
| 22:51.43 | nyov | lz4 is more for speed than compression ratio |
| 22:51.59 | nyov | like snappy, lzo, and ilk |
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| 22:53.58 | aloo_shu | in any case, I'm helped, I understand that a) gzip can handle lz4, , so I can have a look inside, and b) if I'm short for space, these files can probably go |
| 22:54.05 | EdePopede | Error 44 : Unrecognized header : file cannot be decoded <-- nope :( |
| 22:54.28 | aloo_shu | oh |
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| 22:55.06 | nyov | aloo_shu: those files are (I'm reasonably sure) the package-list diffs that apt downloads |
| 22:55.26 | EdePopede | aloo_shu: not gzip, i just installed lz4-tool. gzip just told me the size for the .gz version on the repo |
| 22:55.33 | nyov | when it hasn't become so far outdated, that it has to refetch the whole stuff |
| 22:56.01 | EdePopede | lines of this format -> etc/X11/app-defaults/URxvt x11/rxvt-unicode,x11/rxvt-unicode-256color,x11/rxvt-unicode-lite |
| 22:56.41 | nyov | so yes, you should be able to kill them and it'll redownload them on the next "apt-get update" |
| 22:58.29 | EdePopede | killing also is the correct term to describe the number of packages in a debian distro. a live counter would be a nice thing somewhere. |
| 22:58.42 | nyov | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/217369/clear-apt-get-list |
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| 22:59.27 | aloo_shu | my debian is avlinux, a personal systemback snapshot, so it will likely be residual - moreover, I manually installed, an installer might not even have copied these files (ts is far pre install) |
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| 23:06.44 | dejavou42 | I'm trying to run a terminal script as a service, and start the terminal script on boot with init.d The service starts and stops as expected, but I get "cannot open display" when I stdout to a log file |
| 23:06.58 | dejavou42 | (when booting) |
| 23:07.26 | aloo_shu | thx, bye |
| 23:08.45 | EdePopede | dejavou42: not sure if related, but i wanted mplayer to play me a signal from a cron job, had the same error. redirected the standard fd's to /dev/null. maybe your program/script waits for some fd it doesn't get if run like this. |
| 23:08.57 | dejavou42 | is there a method of Required-Start: that will allow xsession to start first |
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| 23:10.35 | dejavou42 | EdePopede: I believe this has more to do with the xsession not being started when the the init.d script runs |
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| 23:15.41 | EdePopede | i see /etc/rcS.d/S01x11-common and S01lightdm for levels 2-5. and lightdm has a line "# Required-Start: $local_fs $remote_fs x11-common", maybe a copy could work |
| 23:16.17 | jezebel | the latest firefox-esr doesnt look right |
| 23:17.41 | EdePopede | not even the version number, is 60, should be 59. optically because of quantum? |
| 23:17.51 | dejavou42 | I just went crazy and used Required-Start: $ALL, to see if that workss |
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| 23:19.01 | EdePopede | "just let's press the black button with the black text below it, what could go wrong?" - i'd say, it won't start, because of some service not being started. correct? |
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| 23:21.46 | dejavou42 | It won't start because it can't open the display, and I'm trying to check that the display manager is loaded before crossing the other bridges |
| 23:22.23 | jfbourdeau | Are Debian noobies questions allowed here ? |
| 23:22.37 | n4dir | !ask |
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| 23:22.46 | n4dir | damnit. jfbourdeau just ask. |
| 23:23.03 | jfbourdeau | Are most debian distros ( not ubuntu ) are always more ressrouces efficient? Most of the time ? |
| 23:23.17 | n4dir | compared with ? |
| 23:23.24 | jfbourdeau | Getting tgo learn the Debian philosphy vs Ubuntu and other linux based OS |
| 23:23.33 | jfbourdeau | let's say Ubuntu distros |
| 23:23.33 | jezebel | define resource efficient |
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| 23:23.52 | jfbourdeau | Will always or most of the time, Debians distros take less ressources and be faster and more stable ? |
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| 23:24.11 | jfbourdeau | Memory, CPU |
| 23:24.36 | n4dir | thats a tough question. I have tried quite some distros which are said to be "mean and lean". I haven't found many more efficient than debian installed accordingly (no big desktop environment being the main thing) |
| 23:24.57 | jfbourdeau | I played for a while for a Debian based distro, whatever the name and I am amazed on how few memory, CPU it takes compared to one Ubuntu distro I was using... |
| 23:25.08 | jezebel | depends what you are doing, linux is what you make of it |
| 23:25.11 | n4dir | tiny core linux or slitaz or such are really easy on ressources, but i am not sure if i would want to use them on a daily basis |
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| 23:25.36 | jfbourdeau | Tks I understand... |
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| 23:26.21 | n4dir | say: if you really like ubuntu, then use that and try to configure it more resource friendly. Makes sense too? |
| 23:26.26 | EdePopede | jfbourdeau: old story from many yeara ago. as relatively noob running S.u.S.E. i wan KDE but was not sure about MySQL as backend for whatever (512MB RAM, P3-500). then i installed it and could see no difference in performance. it still was kde which needed lots of ram and ressources... |
| 23:27.11 | jfbourdeau | tks EdePopede |
| 23:27.29 | n4dir | these days a modern web-browser easily uses more than a desktop environment, it seems ... well: to me the web-browser is the biggest problem. |
| 23:27.48 | jfbourdeau | I agree n4dir |
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| 23:28.08 | n4dir | fooling around with netsurf as a browser. not that much fun either ... |
| 23:28.25 | EdePopede | electron ftw! |
| 23:28.31 | jfbourdeau | challenge is that I discover some old " So fast " web browser but they can display most of websites properly |
| 23:28.48 | jfbourdeau | they Can't |
| 23:28.52 | jfbourdeau | sorry typos |
| 23:28.54 | n4dir | yup. |
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| 23:29.15 | n4dir | yup -> similar problems here. |
| 23:29.28 | EdePopede | html5+css3 is quite a challenge for the engine |
| 23:29.34 | jfbourdeau | so some of your guys, using linux and Debian for a long time, what are you using ? Opera ? Brave ? Chrome ? Firefox ? |
| 23:30.12 | jfbourdeau | most people use Chrome, FireFox... But me I like opera ( based on chrome I think)... ON Ubuntu I was using brave and FireFox |
| 23:30.23 | n4dir | from what i hear chromium and firefox seem to be the most used ones. |
| 23:30.33 | EdePopede | opera is older than chrome |
| 23:30.38 | jfbourdeau | 19h30 Pm here in Canada... IN case some of your are in the middle of the night LOL |
| 23:30.46 | jfbourdeau | ok tks n4dir |
| 23:30.51 | EdePopede | remembers it when it used to be shareware with a ad window in the border |
| 23:31.18 | aloo_shu | qupzilla2 is worth a look among the outsiders |
| 23:31.37 | jfbourdeau | I am new to irc... What about the * comment for EdePopede ? Who do you to that ( some reply irc thing) LOL |
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| 23:32.30 | EdePopede | jfbourdeau: some things simply don't feel right if the sentence begins with "I ...". you then start with /me btw |
| 23:32.32 | n4dir | found a short list, found qupzilla there too (on this powerppc all of them crash, but might be worth on the PC or laptop): https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Internetanwendungen/ |
| 23:32.36 | jfbourdeau | I am using xChat on Debian Wheezy... I know I know... but updated up to 4 month ago with security patches |
| 23:33.27 | jfbourdeau | EdePopede, you meen I sound like Me, Myself and I ? |
| 23:33.37 | EdePopede | jfbourdeau: 2 tips. 1) switch to hexchat (xchat is dead, thanks to everyone who contributed, but life goes on). 2) did you think to fix your away thing? ;) |
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| 23:34.07 | jfbourdeau | I know i know about the Away thing LOL JaJaJa MDR |
| 23:34.19 | n4dir | you type: /me is wondering how irc works; the result will be "***jfbourdeau is wondering how irc works" |
| 23:34.21 | jfbourdeau | tks for hexchat |
| 23:34.26 | EdePopede | jfbourdeau, no... only using the 3rd form sometimes feels better. no idea why, semantics, style, whatever :) |
| 23:34.37 | jfbourdeau | got it |
| 23:34.43 | dejavou42 | so, neither $ALL or $local_fs $remote_fs x11-common worked. |
| 23:34.58 | dejavou42 | stil getting the "can't open display" |
| 23:35.09 | EdePopede | did you try the redirection? |
| 23:35.11 | n4dir | dejavou42: why not show the script? or tell what it is supposed to do? |
| 23:36.00 | EdePopede | and maybe using script(1) between shell and the problematic application would also help |
| 23:36.00 | jfbourdeau | coming back with hexchat later. TKs for your precious time. I appreciate. |
| 23:36.17 | EdePopede | waves jfbourdeau goodbye ;) |
| 23:36.33 | dejavou42 | the init.d script calls another script that runs "lxterminal --command python /home/user/myscript.py |
| 23:37.02 | EdePopede | does lxterminal open? |
| 23:37.22 | dejavou42 | no, that's the thing, I keep getting cannot open display |
| 23:38.06 | dejavou42 | (although it does if I wait for the x session to start and run /etc/init.d/script start) |
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| 23:39.08 | n4dir | i wonder why it isn't put into Autostart but used as an init script. And what myscript.py does (probably answers the first question. What do i know ?) |
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| 23:39.32 | EdePopede | on the old system i was starting xterm -> screen -> firefox.... under a different user account, i used script(1) because of this iirc |
| 23:40.09 | dejavou42 | n4dir: autostart was the first thing I tried, but for some strange reason, because I'm using tightvncserver, the python script runs multiple times |
| 23:41.04 | dejavou42 | multiple times = twice |
| 23:41.30 | dejavou42 | as long as I prevented tightvncserver from starting, the script (in autostart) ran only once |
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| 23:46.24 | n4dir | just wild guessing: sounds as if the first thing to do is figure out if init-script or autostart makes more sense. But for that the content must be known (i guess). |
| 23:46.51 | EdePopede | xterm -e sudo -u $otheruser -i script -c "screen -R -c $HOME/.screenrc" /dev/null -e bash <-- what i used to start screen inside of an xterm in an alien X, maybe it helps |
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| 23:47.21 | dejavou42 | edePopede - For redirection I currently have > /var/log/service.log 2>&1 to catch the error, not familiar with the script(1) |
| 23:48.52 | EdePopede | found the tip on one of stackexchange's site iirc, has to do sth with the missing access rights to the devices for screen. and it was the first time i heard of it ;) |
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| 23:51.31 | dejavou42 | n4dir: I would prefer to run it as a service, as I am writing a kiosk style program that should run only one instance at a time. I want to be able to monitor the status of the service running |
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| 23:51.49 | dejavou42 | (and if it dies, do other stuff) |
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| 23:52.50 | Abbott | are there any restrictions on this channel other than requiring to be identified with nickserv? |
| 23:53.27 | Abbott | my friend sloppuu keeps getting "unable to msg nick or channel" when he tries to send to the channel |
| 23:53.41 | nyov | Is there even a requirement to be authed with nickserv? |
| 23:53.58 | nyov | nah, they need to *join* the channel, not message at it |
| 23:54.20 | nyov | as in */join #debian* |
| 23:54.43 | Abbott | yeah he's in here |
| 23:54.47 | nyov | oh |
| 23:54.53 | nyov | nvm |
| 23:55.42 | EdePopede | lots of bans here, maybe one of them gets him |
| 23:55.53 | nyov | well perhaps he should not run his irc client as root |
| 23:56.03 | nyov | not sure if there is a check for that |
| 23:56.32 | nyov | but the error message does seem to indicate somehing strange is amiss |
| 23:56.36 | nyov | firewall? |
| 23:56.47 | Abbott | he said he's gonna reconnect as a user |
| 23:57.17 | *** join/#debian n4dir (~user@i577BC802.versanet.de) |
| 23:58.16 | *** join/#debian sloppuu (~dario@c-24-23-96-187.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 23:58.28 | sloppuu | test |
| 23:58.32 | Abbott | nice |
| 23:59.56 | sloppuu | Im trying to set up 2 monitors, xandr does not recognize them, and makes them both 'default', so i tried to install my AMD drivers but they require XServer to be updated, but my XServer is updated... |