| 00:00.45 | Tarrasquero | usney: ls /sys/class/net ? |
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| 00:01.19 | usney | I have two wifi doggies and they both are failing to connect to wifi |
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| 00:01.44 | usney | one of them has lights to let you know it is working |
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| 00:02.55 | zerothis | Tarrasquero: uname lists system information such as kernal version and cpu type "uname -a" lists all available info at once |
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| 00:04.56 | Tarrasquero | uname -a = all |
| 00:05.26 | Tarrasquero | already |
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| 00:21.22 | Tarrasquero | ah |
| 00:24.57 | usney | it is called yumi |
| 00:25.16 | usney | only for windroid I believe |
| 00:25.17 | usney | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ |
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| 00:27.32 | usney | well I am going to try something have to reboot |
| 00:27.36 | usney | see you all later |
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| 01:04.16 | usney | hey guys |
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| 01:06.11 | usney | does debian offer installation discs for refurbish or new computers with fresh installs that let the customer set the language passwords users..etc.?? |
| 01:07.23 | usney | I mean I install it for them but it doesn't setup that stuff it leaves it for bootup after installation |
| 01:07.54 | dvs | That's a good idea, actually |
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| 01:14.04 | sanctus | Linux for granny, go Mint! |
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| 01:22.50 | _xalen | Oh, do you mean an OEM install? As far as I know, Debian doesn't do that yet. GNOME has implemented something like that, but I don't know if it will be shipping with Debian GNOME. |
| 01:28.50 | usney | yes _xalen |
| 01:29.02 | drax- | Yoo |
| 01:29.14 | tomreyn | https://lists.debian.org/debian-desktop/2015/07/msg00000.html |
| 01:29.51 | drax- | How do i install a .run file?, tryed to install latest driver of my GFX? |
| 01:31.09 | usney | chmod u+x *.run |
| 01:31.15 | usney | ./*.run |
| 01:31.29 | usney | if you have more than one run file do not use the * |
| 01:32.20 | usney | type its full name out and use tab if possible for auto completion |
| 01:32.32 | usney | I assumed you know how to use the terminal right? |
| 01:32.58 | usney | use the tab Key* |
| 01:33.46 | usney | you also need to possibly become root |
| 01:34.03 | usney | so do su or sudo |
| 01:34.50 | usney | usually the run file will give an error indicating you need to be root so try it out as normal user first |
| 01:37.00 | drax- | Ok, thanks! hold on, gonna se if i get it to work |
| 01:37.02 | drax- | hold on |
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| 01:38.50 | usney | thanks I am happy that I can help |
| 01:40.52 | drax- | usney, is this the command. chmod u+x ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-337.12.run |
| 01:41.04 | usney | no |
| 01:41.23 | usney | chmod u+x NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-337.12.run |
| 01:41.25 | drax- | Ok. can you tell me again exactly what i have to type? |
| 01:41.38 | drax- | thx |
| 01:41.39 | usney | then ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-337.12.run |
| 01:41.40 | drax- | hold on |
| 01:41.42 | drax- | gonna gry |
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| 01:43.18 | drax- | Ok seem to work, have to close X, brb |
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| 02:59.09 | catbeard | rip |
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| 03:35.28 | cmyers | I am having issues trying to install debian 9.5.0 on my new system76 laptop. When I choose the classic installer, it shows up tiny (like, 1cm wide) tiled 24 times across the top of my screen. The graphical installer doesn't work at all, black screen. |
| 03:35.38 | cmyers | I have been googling and messing wtih boot params and I can't seem to get it working |
| 03:35.51 | cmyers | it came with ubuntu pre-installed which worked flawlessly so I don't believe it is a hardware problem. |
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| 03:54.33 | jim | cmyers, see if passing vga=ask as a kernel boot parameter presents a menu of resolutions |
| 03:54.47 | cmyers | jim: thx for the suggestion - tried that to no avail =( |
| 03:55.25 | jim | it might be good to have a list of things you've tried |
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| 03:55.52 | mobile_c | how dinstall qt4-defaulto i do "sudo apt install qt*" but not |
| 03:56.06 | mobile_c | how do i do sudo apt install qt* but not install qt4-default * |
| 03:56.09 | cmyers | tried various vga= things, with or without nomodeset |
| 03:56.37 | mobile_c | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.38 | cmyers | tried removing the default (vga=788) |
| 03:56.38 | mobile_c | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:57.04 | annadane | ,v qt4-default |
| 03:57.05 | judd | Package: qt4-default on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3+deb8u1; stretch: 4:4.8.7+dfsg-11; buster: 4:4.8.7+dfsg-17; sid: 4:4.8.7+dfsg-17 |
| 03:57.17 | annadane | mobile_c, you're on ubuntu? ask ubuntu support |
| 03:57.32 | mobile_c | y |
| 03:57.36 | cmyers | just trued setting gfxmode and gfxpayload to 1920x1080x24, that didn't work either |
| 03:57.38 | annadane | because ubuntu is not debian |
| 03:57.43 | mobile_c | debian has APT doesnt it? |
| 03:57.47 | annadane | !based on debian |
| 03:57.48 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 03:57.56 | annadane | !ubuntu |
| 03:57.56 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 03:58.37 | mobile_c | idc about that |
| 03:58.44 | annadane | then we're not going to support you |
| 03:58.47 | cmyers | oh, also tried an external monitor - didn't pick it up by default, not sure how to make it |
| 03:58.57 | mobile_c | i want to know how do i do "sudo apt install qt*" but not install qt4-default * |
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| 03:59.53 | mobile_c | as apt list qt* just lists stuff like qtwebkit5-examples/bionic 5.9.1+dfsg-2 amd64 |
| 04:00.02 | mobile_c | wich i cannot pipe to xargs |
| 04:00.10 | annadane | (also i'm not sure why it says both dfsg and ubuntu) |
| 04:00.16 | annadane | if it's debian then i apologize |
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| 04:01.42 | mobile_c | how do i get apt to list packages that can be piped to xargs other than qtwebkit5-examples/bionic 5.9.1+dfsg-2 amd64 |
| 04:02.37 | annadane | also hang on, are you mixing in PPAs with a debian installation? |
| 04:02.44 | annadane | because if you are don't do that |
| 04:03.11 | mobile_c | PPAs? |
| 04:03.43 | jim | never install binary packages from a dist you're not running, or from a version your dist you're not running |
| 04:04.40 | jim | version OF your dist... |
| 04:05.34 | annadane | basically if you're getting conflicts with debian stable using qt something is probably seriously wrong already |
| 04:05.52 | annadane | and i don't really feel like untangling it |
| 04:06.28 | annadane | buuuut your package has "ubuntu" in the name, so... |
| 04:06.50 | annadane | either your base system is ubuntu, in which case we don't support it, or you're trying to install ubuntu packages in debian, in which case we don't support it... |
| 04:07.04 | mobile_c | eg like aptitude search ^qt* -F %p |
| 04:07.10 | mobile_c | but the apt equivilant |
| 04:07.27 | cmyers | *boots into the working ubuntu to look at hardware specs* |
| 04:07.34 | jim | apt install aptitude |
| 04:07.46 | cmyers | looks like this laptop has an intel vga chipset as well as an nvidia GTX 1070 |
| 04:07.53 | cmyers | there are no bios settings relating to video, suprisingly |
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| 04:13.57 | mobile_c | welp this works xP "sudo apt install $(aptitude search ^qt* -F %p | grep -v -e ^quake-engine$ -e ^quake-engine-server$ -e :i386$ -e qt4-default -e qemu-user-static)" |
| 04:24.00 | moussa | ahh memories |
| 04:24.07 | moussa | QW |
| 04:26.52 | moussa | cmyers, do you have like mine a screen printed on the f5 key? |
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| 04:32.07 | annadane | mobile_c, anyway i apologize for probably being a bit rude |
| 04:34.28 | cmyers | moussa: I think fn-F2 turns LCD on/off and fn-F7 swaps between internal and external monitors, but I tried those combos and they did not work either =( |
| 04:35.45 | cmyers | hmm, I'm going to try the buster alpha3 installer release |
| 04:35.51 | cmyers | maybe that will give me better results |
| 04:36.44 | annadane | once we run out of toy story characters they should call one of the debian releases alpha :D |
| 04:37.00 | annadane | "i'm using debian alpha" "oh cool, a development version? how does it run?" "no, you don't understand..." |
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| 04:38.34 | project80 | hello Debianites. I upgraded my CPU and now get frequent lock-ups |
| 04:38.44 | project80 | re-install perhaps? |
| 04:39.32 | project80 | I had an A8-7600 APU and upgraded to an 880K |
| 04:39.38 | project80 | cpu |
| 04:39.52 | annadane | it's possible you may need to just use the kernel from backports, as a guess |
| 04:40.11 | annadane | i guess it could also be that you need certain firmware |
| 04:40.30 | project80 | On the windows side I got complainst about the graphics card. Allow me to explain |
| 04:40.49 | project80 | The AMD A8-7600 has an embedded GPU and the 880 is just a CPU |
| 04:41.05 | project80 | While I have a discreet RX-560 graphics card |
| 04:41.20 | project80 | So there may have been residual drives from the hybrid gpu |
| 04:41.23 | annadane | otherwise i support dmesg could tell you what's going on |
| 04:41.28 | annadane | s/support/suppose |
| 04:41.34 | annadane | (why can't i type anymore?) |
| 04:41.45 | project80 | annadane, I have that same issue with typing |
| 04:41.56 | project80 | It's Poltergeists |
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| 04:44.40 | project80 | i dualboot and windows blue screen of death says, "attempt to reset driver and recover timeout failed" |
| 04:44.52 | project80 | reset display driver, I mean |
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| 04:48.51 | cmyers | no luck with the alpha3 installer either, same results =( |
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| 04:51.35 | project80 | is debian able to handle gpu pro yet? |
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| 04:54.52 | cmyers | ok, I've learned that you can run "videoinfo" from the grub prompt to get the supported VBE video modes |
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| 04:55.43 | project80 | I learned that I can buy a mac and be like everyone else |
| 04:56.03 | project80 | happy to be "one of us" |
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| 04:57.49 | allorder | go masturbate elsewhere |
| 05:00.29 | project80 | Stallmanize |
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| 05:10.18 | project80 | There is only support for legacy amd drivers in debian it seems |
| 05:12.54 | project80 | But i can install debian on a mac |
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| 05:19.47 | simbalion | I'm using pam-u2f for authentication with my yubikey, however this doesn't unlock gnome-keyring's 'login' keyring by default, requiring me to type a password anyway (with an incredibly obnoxious modal that hijacks all keyboard activity). Can I configure gnome-keyring to unlock the 'login' keyring when I login using pam-u2f.so? |
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| 05:28.32 | jmd | Since upgrading to stretch I can no longer sign or decrypt with gnupg. |
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| 05:29.01 | jmd | I get the message: "gpg: signing failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device" |
| 05:29.38 | jmd | To which device is it refering, and in what way does it believe it to be inappropriate? |
| 05:30.25 | simbalion | jmd: are you sure the upgrade is complete? There may have been packages held back during the first phase of upgrading and you may want to do additional apt-get dist-upgrades |
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| 05:34.20 | jmd | simbalion: I will try another apt-get dist-upgrade ... |
| 05:34.30 | SyfiMalik | hi guys, can I get my gpg key signed here? |
| 05:34.37 | simbalion | jmd: good luck |
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| 05:34.54 | jmd | SyfiMalik: No |
| 05:34.58 | simbalion | SyfiMalik: Have you see keepass.io? Might be a better place if you're looking for trust |
| 05:35.16 | simbalion | oops that should read keybase.io |
| 05:35.19 | simbalion | getting my apps confused |
| 05:35.43 | SyfiMalik | yeah, I have keybase, I have my encrypted repos there |
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| 05:36.01 | SyfiMalik | but I was asking to be signed by some debian devs... |
| 05:36.06 | jmd | Well apg-get dist-upgrade tries to reinstall tinyproxy (and fails) but otherwise it doesn't see any need to do anything. |
| 05:36.24 | simbalion | SyfiMalik: ah my mistake |
| 05:36.25 | SyfiMalik | keybase.io/SyfiMalik is mine |
| 05:36.47 | SyfiMalik | simbalion: to err is human |
| 05:37.48 | simbalion | SyfiMalik: pfft as if humans have the market cornered on mistakes. My cat's brain got stuck in a loop earlier when he got confused about which direction to turn because he was excited about being fed soon. |
| 05:38.08 | simbalion | he kept swinging his head left/right/left/right and I had to help him. lol |
| 05:39.04 | SyfiMalik | simbalion: lol my cat just ran away when I entered the room, don't know why he is avoiding me :P |
| 05:39.50 | SyfiMalik | simbalion: you use keybase for what? I mean what attracts you more there? |
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| 05:40.19 | SyfiMalik | for me, I just use it to encrypt my dotfiles. |
| 05:40.23 | simbalion | SyfiMalik: I don't really because nobody I know takes encryption as seriously as me. But I keep one in case someone someday needs to verify my key to send me private emails |
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| 05:41.06 | simbalion | I have my own blog where I host my key which is basically as good as keybase |
| 05:41.11 | SyfiMalik | I have a github repo github.com/SyfiMalik/cfg and keybase is added as submodule in it |
| 05:41.55 | SyfiMalik | simbalion: can I get your key? |
| 05:42.05 | simbalion | SyfiMalik: https://tailpuff.net/keys/ but I can't imagine what you'd need it for :p |
| 05:42.33 | jmd | I have never made a mistake. |
| 05:42.37 | SyfiMalik | I do encrypt mails. plus I'm gonna sign it if you like |
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| 05:47.55 | SyfiMalik | simbalion: cat new.asc | mail -s "keys" simba@tailpuff.net |
| 05:49.35 | SyfiMalik | got it? |
| 05:50.51 | SyfiMalik | for some reasons, my polybar gmail module isn't working so I can't get notified in time as I don't like to open gmail in browser all the time. |
| 05:51.13 | simbalion | SyfiMalik: I did |
| 05:51.27 | simbalion | Thunderbird says the dkim key is invalid, btw |
| 05:52.39 | SyfiMalik | I haven't recieved the mail yet |
| 05:52.52 | SyfiMalik | use neomutt or something like that :P |
| 05:53.24 | SyfiMalik | I use neomutt to read, or qutebrowser. and use mail to send from command line. |
| 05:53.58 | SyfiMalik | simbalion: gpg --recv-keys 49D806F7 |
| 05:54.45 | simbalion | SyfiMalik: was I supposed to reply? Sorry I am doing things in other windows. |
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| 06:48.14 | jim | why would apt source python3 give me a completely different package than what I asked for? it's giving me python3-defaults |
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| 06:49.37 | jim | they all do it: apt, apt-get and aptitude |
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| 06:51.10 | themill | what's wrong? |
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| 06:52.18 | themill | the source package that generates the python3 binary package *is* python3-defaults. |
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| 07:01.49 | jim | themill, hi, trying to build a 3.6 python |
| 07:03.09 | jim | there's also a python3.6 |
| 07:03.55 | jim | which seems to have debs for python-3.6.6, which is the one in sid |
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| 07:11.09 | themill | if python3.6 is already in sid, why are you trying to build it? |
| 07:14.09 | SyfiMalik | themill: https://ptpb.pw/2AcJ |
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| 07:29.49 | jim | themill, I'm backporting it |
| 07:30.00 | jim | to stretch |
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| 07:31.31 | jim | and it looks like I can't, because it depends on gcc 8 |
| 07:31.49 | jim | maybe 3.6.5 |
| 07:32.00 | themill | it's not going to work well even if you do backport it |
| 07:32.29 | jim | what has you say that? |
| 07:32.53 | themill | knowledge of how python packages are handled |
| 07:33.10 | themill | it won't have any modules |
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| 07:34.19 | jim | what about the one in buster? |
| 07:34.37 | themill | if you're running buster, then that will work, yes |
| 07:34.55 | jim | nope, like I said, I'm running stretch |
| 07:35.21 | themill | and like I said, backporting the interpreter does not work usefully |
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| 07:35.46 | themill | build it in a virtualenv if you really really need a newer interpreter |
| 07:35.46 | jim | so it's not possible to backport it? |
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| 07:40.44 | jim | what would you need to build for it to be useful? you're implying without saying that it's not possible |
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| 07:43.42 | thomassgn | Hi. is there a live disk with more DEs/WMs available? as a trial thing it would be nice to show at least gnome and xfce/lxde, maybe kde. |
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| 07:44.55 | themill | jim: you'd need to also deal with every module package, redoing about 3 months of work in bug fixing, upgrading and checking compatibility. Since you're working in a venv anyway, why not just build it in the venv? or downgrade the pyqt in the venv? |
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| 07:48.03 | jim | I'll figure out another way... I don't really want to screw up the system-wide python |
| 07:48.38 | themill | that's what venv is for... |
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| 07:49.59 | thomassgn | jim: this might not be at all what you're looking for, I just read the couple last comments. But Guix and Nix solves a lot of what venv and so on is for on a package manager level. |
| 07:50.41 | thomassgn | if you want several conflicting python instances on your system at the same time it's not a problem. |
| 07:50.57 | thomassgn | (in guix) |
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| 07:55.27 | jim | thomassgn, thanks, I appreciate the tip |
| 07:56.50 | ArahaelPi | thomassgn: They don't conflict, usually. |
| 07:57.04 | ArahaelPi | thomassgn: They work in isolation. |
| 08:02.22 | thomassgn | ArahaelPi: ? I don't understand what you're telling me. is it a question, or a correction? and what is the context? |
| 08:02.31 | thomassgn | happy to help jim |
| 08:02.35 | thomassgn | :) |
| 08:03.03 | ArahaelPi | thomassgn: A correction. :) |
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| 08:04.29 | thomassgn | allright.what was wrong? that there's no such thing as conflicting python versions/implementations? |
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| 08:04.56 | thomassgn | or how guix works? |
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| 08:05.55 | thomassgn | or debian... :) I guess I made to many assumptions initially |
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| 08:08.43 | ArahaelPi | thomassgn: Not really, no. Lets suppose you have two python environments installed. It's difficult to use both simultaniously within the same process. You either use one... Or you use another... |
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| 08:10.30 | jmd | ArahaelPi: Well it's "difficult" in the sense that you would have to write your program carefully so you know which instance is which. But fundamentally there would be no problem. |
| 08:11.09 | ArahaelPi | jmd: Sure, but that's not a particular issue with python. |
| 08:11.37 | ArahaelPi | jmd: And it's not that they conflict, as so much as simply running the wrong one. |
| 08:11.43 | ArahaelPi | A conflict means neither works, at all. |
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| 08:18.56 | thomassgn | It seems we are talking past each other a lot. yes. :) no worries. |
| 08:19.22 | thomassgn | does anyone know if there are live disks with several DE's? |
| 08:19.27 | thomassgn | to try |
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| 09:05.20 | frais | #flood |
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| 16:59.25 | __FBi | my email has stopped working on my server -- I cannot send or receive mail from my android device. I'm using dovecot and postfix. Can someone send me in the right direction? |
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| 18:29.39 | jhutchins | __FBi: Logs. Always look in the logs. |
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| 18:30.12 | jhutchins | It's really annoying that modern email clients can't send mail over imap. |
| 18:31.15 | Fox | imap ? send ? really ? |
| 18:34.11 | jhutchins | Yep. Part of the spec. |
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| 18:34.19 | jennie | hello |
| 18:34.20 | bites | woot? |
| 18:34.22 | Fox | i'd love to see that spec |
| 18:34.52 | Fox | if a mail client uses imap to send mail i'd say it's broken |
| 18:35.41 | jennie | when trying to copy one hdd to another hdd in ntfs partition, whats the way to do it faster under debian, right now, speed is only 8mb/s, i have 4tb and with this speed its going to take many weeks, i dont have this much time, please help |
| 18:35.55 | jennie | hdd 3.5inch, sata connected to motherboard |
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| 18:42.20 | jhutchins | Fox: So something that has a feature you're ignorant of is broken? |
| 18:42.21 | Darcidride | Hi, i'm trying to seting up dropbear to unlock a crypted partition at boot (on top of ProxmoxVE 5.x and LUKS/cryptsetup LVM patitions) I met a strange issue, i created some vmbr'x' network interfaces and i bridge my eth0 with vmbr0 (for proxmox needs). After that dropbear doesn't allow (can't mount/start), either eth0 nor vmbr0 (i can't be connected at boot to unlock the crypted parititon because the network interface didn't show up and allow |
| 18:42.21 | Darcidride | an ip address, tested with eth0 and vmbr0, without the vmbr0/bridge to eth0, it works perfectly) someone can help me ? Thank you in advance :) |
| 18:42.21 | RoyK | jhutchins: you can *store* messages using imap, as in moving them around or creating a draft and so on, but imap isn't and never was a protocol for *sending*, such as smtp |
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| 18:42.22 | RoyK | jhutchins: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3501 <-- nice saturday reading |
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| 19:04.45 | lord_daemon | can someone tell me what is the right package that I should install for the thunar icons to appear. I do not want to install other window managers to do this. |
| 19:05.04 | bremner | well, some odd setups do actually use imap for sending iirc. something like "outbox". |
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| 19:07.25 | blaztek | thunar-data |
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| 19:11.58 | Fox | jhutchins: something that has a feature that's not in it's rfc is broken, yes, nevermind my ignorance |
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| 19:18.53 | Fox | there's been a draft in fact, but it never made it to the rfc AFAICS https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kundrat-imap-submit-02 |
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| 19:21.09 | bremner | anyway, none of this seems relevant to debian support |
| 19:21.19 | Fox | for sure |
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| 19:24.47 | HeXiLeD | got this issue with an sdcard e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting. Always says it is in use but fuser shows nothing |
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| 19:36.55 | RoyK | HeXiLeD: does 'mount' say anything useful? |
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| 19:40.27 | HeXiLeD | no |
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| 19:49.42 | buu | How do you actually use this http://hands.com/d-i/ ? |
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| 19:52.01 | Jemt | Hi. PHP 7.0 and earlier is reaching end-of-life in December. What happens in Debian 9 at that point where we only have 7.0 available? Will it still receive security updates or will the package be replaced with PHP 7.2 ? |
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| 19:55.21 | ksk | debian will per policy not replace php7 with php7.2, as stables means "not changing" |
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| 19:55.45 | ksk | and probably support php7 with security patches. |
| 19:55.51 | Jemt | ksk: Okay, thanks. Hopefully they will provide patches then- |
| 19:55.52 | oft_gegong | what if i feel greedy for using debian because of how many packages I get that are in stable? |
| 19:56.01 | ksk | thats just my general point of view, Im not following php |
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| 19:56.43 | oft_gegong | php7 is so cool |
| 19:57.06 | queip | oft_gegong: no version of php is |
| 19:57.24 | bites | debian makes exceptions for some cases. php7.2 hopefully being one of them. |
| 19:57.29 | oft_gegong | what about back in the day? good ol' 1.0, it was just as good as programming in C |
| 19:57.44 | Jemt | bites: Fingers crossed |
| 19:58.51 | bites | but i can't find a discussion for that topic right now. |
| 19:59.45 | buu | Like, how do you use this hands off thing to start the auto type install? |
| 19:59.48 | buu | It says something about dhcp |
| 20:00.50 | Jemt | Got to go. Bye :-) |
| 20:01.59 | ksk | buu: PXE environemnts are common for that. |
| 20:02.21 | buu | But how do I set a debconf flag? |
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| 21:10.58 | buu | So to use http://hands.com/d-i/ do I have to some how install the udb auto-install? |
| 21:11.28 | buu | It links to a manual that 404s and at no point tells you how to use it lol |
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| 21:18.25 | project80 | Can amd gpu pro be installed on debian? |
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| 21:31.52 | lf94 | Hey, how can I install a single package from debian testing, to debian stable? The package is nettle-dev |
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| 21:37.24 | usney | lf94 you can use wget and dpkg -i packagename |
| 21:40.33 | usney | but it may require other testing packages |
| 21:40.35 | met | maybe it's in backports |
| 21:40.35 | coruja | it's quite bad practice, better looking for that package in backports or - if not available - backport it yourself |
| 21:40.36 | usney | lf94 are you using debian 9.5 and amd64? |
| 21:40.36 | usney | yea do backports |
| 21:40.36 | lf94 | yes |
| 21:40.36 | lf94 | ok |
| 21:40.36 | lf94 | looks up backports to remember how to do that |
| 21:40.36 | iTeV | otherwise you might end up having a frankendebian ;) |
| 21:40.36 | lf94 | yes I've had that before. It is not fun. |
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| 21:42.45 | crash_ | backports is not frankendebian |
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| 21:43.47 | coruja | ,v nettle-dev |
| 21:43.48 | judd | Package: nettle-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.4-3; wheezy-security: 2.4-3+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.1-5+deb8u2; stretch: 3.3-1+b2; buster: 3.4-1; sid: 3.4-1 |
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| 21:44.17 | iTeV | but the plan what he originally had is :P |
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| 21:51.10 | chocolate | can use /tmp as a symlink of /tmp inside /home for example... ? it is taking all the space of the first partition... |
| 21:51.21 | rant | crash_: it is when people do dumb stuff like trying to dist upgrade to it |
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| 21:53.34 | rant | chocolate: try a bind if it doesnt work binds work where symlinks dont |
| 21:53.59 | rant | chocolate: mount --bind /src /dst |
| 21:55.46 | chocolate | rant: thanks for advice |
| 21:55.54 | usney | how do you dist upgrade to backports? rant |
| 21:56.03 | crash_ | rant: backports is not for that, you are only soupussed to use with some packages and not all of them |
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| 22:43.12 | Megaf | folks, whats the kernel mail list address? |
| 22:43.15 | Megaf | The debian one |
| 22:43.44 | Megaf | or maybe you can answer my doubt here |
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| 22:44.02 | Megaf | why we don't have non real time preemptive kernels anymore on Debian? |
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| 22:46.22 | Kadigan | Hey. Does Debian current stable now have Apache2 with HTTP/2 support in its repo? I'm looking at a guide from Feb 2018 that says I need to add ondrej's repo. |
| 22:47.51 | Kadigan | (I'm mainly asking because every tutorial on setting it up I'm finding is claiming something different...) |
| 22:48.05 | mason | Megaf: https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/ |
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| 23:30.26 | mellotto | hi there |
| 23:30.30 | mellotto | quick one: I just got a freshly installed debian. when opening the system settings in plasma, the button "get new themes' is missing. |
| 23:30.32 | mellotto | is this a kown issue? any clue? |
| 23:35.28 | jim | what version of debian? |
| 23:36.15 | mellotto | latest |
| 23:36.23 | mellotto | fresh installation |
| 23:36.43 | jim | what does it say when you do: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:36.49 | mellotto | Linux poseidon 4.9.0-7-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u2 (2018-08-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:37.07 | mellotto | 9.5 |
| 23:37.21 | jim | ok, so that's latest stable |
| 23:37.30 | mellotto | yeap |
| 23:37.33 | jim | aka stretch |
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| 23:38.04 | mellotto | when I open the settings menu, i dont see the button... which I am very used to it. (since long KDE age.... |
| 23:39.24 | mellotto | please open Settings, then "workspace Themes |
| 23:39.33 | jim | is it possible there's a #debian-kde channel? not chasing you away, as far as I know you're welcome to idle... and, I don't personally know of that issue... that said, I am running the same thing, let me see |
| 23:39.45 | mellotto | normally, in the bottom rigth, you see "get new themes" button. |
| 23:39.54 | mellotto | i dont see it. button is missing. |
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| 23:40.44 | mellotto | sure |
| 23:41.34 | jim | it's got 4 buttons down the left side, and 2 buttons across, more to the right. the title above the 2 buttons says Look And Feel |
| 23:41.53 | jim | that sound like what you see? |
| 23:42.54 | mellotto | Open "Look and Feel" |
| 23:43.20 | mellotto | do you have a button next to check box "use desktop layout from theme" ? |
| 23:43.23 | mellotto | i dont. |
| 23:43.53 | jim | I don't either |
| 23:44.11 | mellotto | what??!? |
| 23:44.33 | jim | I have a checkbox |
| 23:44.34 | mellotto | previous version showed that button.... |
| 23:45.03 | mellotto | pure KDE on other distros (like slack and gentoo) also shows the button. |
| 23:45.06 | usney | what is backports all about? |
| 23:45.13 | mellotto | Debian used to show as well.... |
| 23:45.23 | jim | one sec |
| 23:46.23 | jim | usney, first, you should never install a -binary- package from a different dist, or from debian of a different version from the one you run... however, |
| 23:46.40 | mellotto | jim: if you search google for that you will also find sbcreenshots that demonstrate what I am saying.... button is there. |
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| 23:47.38 | usney | !backports |
| 23:47.38 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 23:47.44 | mellotto | "KDE look and fell window" google search will show you what I am saying |
| 23:47.46 | jim | usney, you can get the debianized source for packages in versions of debian other than the ones you run |
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| 23:48.50 | jim | if you tell the debian build system to build from this source, it will do so, and then create debian packages suitable for installation on your version |
| 23:49.05 | jim | usney, these packages are called backports |
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| 23:50.52 | noord | Hey, I just installed debian stretch and am facing an issue while setting up remote intranet vpn, vpn works(it spits output from external interface). but I doesnt respond requests from other ports which listens localhost:XXX , here is my iptables-save output https://gist.github.com/Noord/ea12769affab743d46c910d8f6a47351 |
| 23:51.11 | jim | for example, if you want to install something from sid, do not install the binary package directly... at worst, it will put you into dependency hell... at best, it will trigger an upgrade to sid, which you will have to complete by the usual manner later |
| 23:52.31 | noord | s/but I/but It/g |
| 23:53.14 | jim | usney, but if you enable (with deb-src lines) the sid sources, then you can get a good many source packages, whichever one you want, and you can build it |
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| 23:54.47 | jim | usney, for more info on that, either put !ssb into the channel (in which case we all get to see the bot explain), or /msg dpkg ssb |
| 23:55.07 | jim | and it will reply by msg, and the rest of us see nothing |
| 23:57.09 | usney | !ssb |
| 23:57.09 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 23:57.44 | jim | three guesses which one he did :) |
| 23:58.50 | usney | how do you enable backports? |