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| 00:43.58 | monty86 | what does running the command sudo firewalld do? |
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| 00:46.33 | tonymke | monty86: if you have the firewalld package installed, it will start it. https://firewalld.org/documentation/the-daemon-firewalld.html |
| 00:47.48 | monty86 | it won't make any changes right? |
| 00:47.52 | monty86 | like drop the current rules |
| 00:48.00 | monty86 | i accidentally ran it with sudo |
| 00:48.58 | tonymke | I wouldn't think so, though I'm not familiar with it |
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| 00:53.54 | monty86 | ok thanks |
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| 01:27.35 | lessthan0 | debian 9 installer always screws up the /etc/apt/sources.list if you are using the dvd iso dd to usb |
| 01:28.27 | lessthan0 | I'm at the point where it is easier to write a setup script and host it on my own site then to patch the installer |
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| 01:29.14 | lessthan0 | this is not a live CD so it should not be looking for a CD after it installs and reboots |
| 01:29.18 | lessthan0 | this is just wrong |
| 01:29.57 | lessthan0 | I submitted a bug report last week so all I can do is hope for the best and fix it myself at the same time |
| 01:30.54 | tonymke | How does it screw it up? |
| 01:32.16 | tonymke | I remember it not leaving any... helpful hints for what the values are unless you opt to use a network mirror during installation. |
| 01:32.50 | lessthan0 | I used network mirror during install |
| 01:32.54 | lessthan0 | this is not netinst |
| 01:33.01 | lessthan0 | this is the full installer DVD 1 |
| 01:33.06 | lessthan0 | not a live |
| 01:33.16 | tonymke | Right. I'm just asking what it actually wrote. |
| 01:33.25 | lessthan0 | so it comments out the CDROM and adds DCROM |
| 01:33.32 | lessthan0 | CDROM |
| 01:33.48 | lessthan0 | it is not checking to see if CDROM is in sources.list |
| 01:34.04 | lessthan0 | it will blindly comment the first old entry in sources.list |
| 01:34.18 | lessthan0 | and then add CDROM on the second line |
| 01:34.25 | lessthan0 | some blank lines also |
| 01:34.49 | lessthan0 | and it does not fail over to the next source the actual repos online |
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| 01:35.10 | lessthan0 | when I apt install sudo it says insert CD hit any key |
| 01:35.30 | tonymke | Yeah, so after installing you have to pop in there and blap the cd line |
| 01:35.37 | lessthan0 | I delete one of the lines and leave the commented one there so I can revert if I need to |
| 01:35.44 | tonymke | Is what ends up happening in real-world scenarios |
| 01:35.44 | lessthan0 | delete one line |
| 01:35.53 | lessthan0 | yeah |
| 01:36.05 | tonymke | Not super helpful. |
| 01:36.10 | lessthan0 | its an easy fix but then I have to install sudo |
| 01:36.36 | lessthan0 | so now I am just scripting all new deployments |
| 01:36.55 | lessthan0 | cause I needed to script the install of my apps anyway so it is not so bad |
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| 01:37.08 | lessthan0 | but I want to feel good about telling people to try debian |
| 01:38.18 | lessthan0 | if I can't figure out how to patch the installer then I can't hand it out on USB or hand out a iso to be used with rufus in DD mode |
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| 01:39.40 | lessthan0 | well another option would be to have an official upstream USB release |
| 01:40.15 | lessthan0 | but that seems like we don't really need a fork if we can just have the installer be a bit more resilient |
| 01:40.46 | lessthan0 | very few people are burning DVD anyway |
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| 01:49.14 | bigbenbenson | Well kernel 4.17 come to stretch-backports anytime soon? |
| 01:52.28 | rant | ,kernels |
| 01:52.29 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.6-1); buster: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.16-2); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.16.16-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
| 01:52.30 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 01:53.37 | rant | ,depends linux-image-4.17.0-1-86-pae |
| 01:53.37 | bigbenbenson | Yea, I see 4.16 is in backports, but I was wondering if 4.17 will make it in, my laptop would run a lot better on 4.17 |
| 01:53.38 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-4.17.0-1-86-pae' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 01:54.24 | rant | bigbenbenson: so use it.. I can't imagine what a kernel package would have that would cause any problems |
| 01:54.41 | rant | ,depends linux-image-4.17.0-1-686-pae sid |
| 01:54.42 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-4.17.0-1-686-pae' was found in sid/amd64. |
| 01:54.53 | rant | ,depends linux-image-4.17.0-1-amd64 sid |
| 01:54.54 | judd | Package linux-image-4.17.0-1-amd64 in sid/amd64 -- depends: kmod, linux-base (>= 4.3~), initramfs-tools (>= 0.120+deb8u2) | linux-initramfs-tool. |
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| 01:55.08 | bigbenbenson | Isn't the idea of backports to make sure it doesn't break stuff |
| 01:55.15 | rant | ,v linux-base |
| 01:55.16 | judd | Package: linux-base on amd64 -- jessie: 3.5; wheezy: 3.5; jessie-backports: 4.3~bpo8+1; buster: 4.5; sid: 4.5; stretch: 4.5 |
| 01:55.40 | bigbenbenson | And mixing stable, testing, and sid is generally considered a bad idea? |
| 01:55.45 | rant | yes but the dependencies of the kernel are very few and from what I can see are all jessie or older versions its depending on |
| 01:56.01 | rant | which means you can manually fetch and install a kernel package without any real issue |
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| 01:56.22 | rant | either that or you take the time to compile your own kernel |
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| 01:57.14 | bigbenbenson | I'll give it a try, I have opensuse tumbleweed installed right now but yast and the system in general is annoying to deal with. |
| 01:57.27 | rant | if the package has no dependencies not satisfied by your system then its no different than a backported one |
| 01:57.31 | bigbenbenson | Just hope 4.9 boots to allow me to install 4.17 |
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| 01:58.14 | rant | not to mention if you dont actuall add a sid repo, it can;t get anything else anyhow |
| 01:58.23 | rant | you just fetch the package manually and install it |
| 01:59.12 | bigbenbenson | I was going to add the repo, but then make it's priority lower than stable and just install the kernel from it so it keeps it up to date. |
| 01:59.28 | bigbenbenson | If it boots 4.9 |
| 01:59.52 | rant | well there is no guarentee that in the future there wont be an added dependency on it |
| 02:00.12 | rant | but as of right now it depends on things even jessie would satisfy |
| 02:00.44 | bigbenbenson | I guess it would let me know when I update if it was missing one? |
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| 02:00.55 | bigbenbenson | As long as sid repo is added to sources |
| 02:01.00 | rant | sure if you have no sid source to satisfy it :P |
| 02:01.18 | rant | ,d linux-base |
| 02:01.33 | rant | ,depends initrams-tools |
| 02:01.34 | judd | No package named 'initrams-tools' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 02:01.41 | rant | ,depends initramfs-tools |
| 02:01.42 | judd | Package initramfs-tools in stretch/amd64 -- depends: initramfs-tools-core (= 0.130), linux-base. |
| 02:01.52 | rant | ,depends linux-base |
| 02:01.53 | judd | Package linux-base in stretch/amd64 -- depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0. |
| 02:02.11 | rant | ,depends debconf |
| 02:02.12 | judd | Package debconf in stretch/amd64 -- depends: perl-base (>= 5.20.1-3~). |
| 02:02.31 | rant | eventually somewhere down the line you hit a core package like perl, libc..etc |
| 02:03.00 | rant | right now the only versioned depends are linux-base (jessie or greater) and initramfs-tools (jessie or greater) |
| 02:03.02 | bigbenbenson | maybe a new stable will be out by then |
| 02:03.23 | rant | so it'd be happy with the stretch versions |
| 02:03.48 | rant | ,i kmod |
| 02:03.49 | judd | Package kmod (admin, important) in stretch/amd64: tools for managing Linux kernel modules. Version: 23-2; Size: 83.7k; Installed: 220k |
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| 02:04.04 | davis | hello |
| 02:04.11 | rant | olleh |
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| 02:11.37 | davis | i have a laptop with a nvidia video card. I tried this previously and ended up with a blank screen. I am trying again. This is the guide I'm following https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 02:12.01 | davis | any tips before I reboot to have the change take effect? |
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| 02:13.02 | rant | davis: is it an apple laptop? |
| 02:13.14 | davis | no its a thinkpad |
| 02:13.31 | rant | T61? |
| 02:13.37 | davis | t570 |
| 02:14.03 | davis | i scrubbed the windows install a few weeks ago |
| 02:14.26 | davis | i tried to use that guide and I also tried to use the nvidia official drivers from their website. |
| 02:14.45 | davis | i had to back out the changes. I figured since I had some deadtime, i would try again. |
| 02:15.07 | davis | i'll reboot and see what happens. bbiab |
| 02:15.10 | lessthan0 | is there a way to show what is blinking my HDD LED? |
| 02:15.19 | lessthan0 | network is not doing anything |
| 02:15.31 | lessthan0 | but the system is doing something with disks while idle |
| 02:15.41 | rant | whats going to happen isnt going to be good.. but you didnt stick around long enough for me to say so :P |
| 02:15.48 | rant | thats not nvidia, thats optimus |
| 02:15.57 | lessthan0 | will systemctl -a show everything? |
| 02:16.22 | lessthan0 | will systemctl status something something? |
| 02:16.31 | bigbenbenson | I had an optimus laptop before this one, hell on earth for linux. |
| 02:16.43 | lessthan0 | is that a radio shack brand? |
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| 02:16.57 | rant | yes and that nvidia wiki he was reading wouldnt be the right thing to read for optimus |
| 02:17.12 | rant | its not nvidia, its a hybrid |
| 02:17.24 | davis_ | hmm. it booted up and then showed a screen which said, "oh snap something went wrong" |
| 02:17.34 | bigbenbenson | Hope he has a mux switch in his bios |
| 02:17.36 | davis_ | i'm using the alt-f1 console to talk. |
| 02:17.55 | rant | yeah well as I was saying you have optimus not nvidia |
| 02:18.06 | rant | optimus is a hybrid nvidia+intel type deal |
| 02:18.24 | davis_ | i do not have any mux switch in the bios. for display it has an option to configure the amount of memory to set aside for intel in bios and that is it. |
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| 02:18.59 | bigbenbenson | rip |
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| 02:19.23 | davis_ | any suggestion at this point? |
| 02:19.28 | bigbenbenson | Either you primus, bumblebee or use only intel graphics. |
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| 02:19.34 | rant | that wiki you were reading is for nvidia not optimus |
| 02:19.59 | rant | which nothing that said will work for optimus |
| 02:20.31 | bigbenbenson | Ubuntu has a neat package for optimus that allow you to pick which card to use and it only uses that one. Think it's called nvidia-settings and that's harder to setup on debian, |
| 02:20.34 | rant | as bigbenbenson says, you either gotta fight with bumblebee or disable the nvidia card and use he intel |
| 02:20.58 | davis_ | hmm. fwiw, the 940mx is listed as being supported on that page. |
| 02:21.01 | rant | nvidia-settings was just the nvidia control panel that has always came with the drivers |
| 02:21.18 | bigbenbenson | had a special option for optimus on Ubuntu tho |
| 02:21.32 | davis_ | apt-get install optimus? |
| 02:21.36 | bigbenbenson | to toggle which it used, intel or nvidia and you had to logout to apply it |
| 02:21.41 | rant | idk the normal thinkwiki page doesnt have the t5xx series, page I'm reading is in german so.. heh.. I may have misread |
| 02:22.13 | bigbenbenson | This has a lot of good info: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA_Optimus |
| 02:22.26 | rant | Grafikchip: Intel HD Graphics 520/620 und NVIDIA GeForce 940MX (2GB GDDR5) im Optimus-Verbund |
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| 02:22.41 | rant | pretty sure that's saying its in optimus configuration |
| 02:23.35 | rant | verbund means composite |
| 02:25.22 | davis_ | im reading the nvidiagraphicsdrivers optimus debian wiki page |
| 02:25.37 | bigbenbenson | That's... not a very good page tbh. |
| 02:25.55 | bigbenbenson | The arch wiki is far more detailed and a lot easier to read. |
| 02:25.55 | davis_ | any idea how to back out ths change so I can get back to xwindows working? |
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| 02:27.24 | rant | http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/390.48/README/supportedchips.html "Note that the list of supported GPU products provided below and on the driver download page is provided to indicate which GPUs are supported by a particular driver version. Some designs incorporating supported GPUs may not be compatible with the NVIDIA Linux driver: in particular, notebook and all-in-one desktop designs |
| 02:27.30 | rant | with switchable (hybrid) or Optimus graphics will not work" |
| 02:28.02 | rant | it may be listed as supported if you ignore that paragraph at the top |
| 02:28.21 | rant | where it specifically says it isnt :P |
| 02:28.53 | davis_ | heh, that is par for me. Nothing is easy. |
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| 02:29.52 | bigbenbenson | I got the newer amd laptops because of optimus and it's nonsense, linux life is easier. |
| 02:30.11 | rant | you can look at our wiki's optimus page but you might want to start crying now :P |
| 02:30.53 | bigbenbenson | I don't know what to cry more about, the state of debian optimus wiki page or optimus itself. |
| 02:31.44 | lessthan0 | I see gnome-terminal and gnome-shell in top command but I only have gnome-terminal open |
| 02:31.48 | lessthan0 | is this normal? |
| 02:32.15 | lessthan0 | I am running hexchat and I think hexchat shows up as gnome-shell |
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| 02:33.31 | rant | davis_: https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/Optimus |
| 02:35.02 | davis_ | by the way, that page I referred to has a mod to optimus_desktop. I assume I will need to apt-get install optimus |
| 02:35.56 | rant | nope |
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| 02:36.10 | rant | you either disable the hw or use bumblebee |
| 02:36.13 | lessthan0 | I found hexchat as hexchat in top |
| 02:36.39 | rant | easiest way to disable is if bios supports it.. but I've heard of other ways |
| 02:36.49 | lessthan0 | is it normal to have gnome-shell using a lot of resources? |
| 02:37.14 | rant | I don't conside it normal to be usine gnome-shell, so I couldn't tell you :P |
| 02:37.48 | lessthan0 | no desktop for you? |
| 02:38.02 | davis_ | yes, optimus can not be apt-get installed. I can apt-get install bumblebee or bumblebee-nvidia. I chose the first and optirun is available. |
| 02:38.18 | lessthan0 | it was the scroll up in terminal that got me to install desktop |
| 02:39.10 | bigbenbenson | shutting down the intel card and usibg primus is much better performance than bumblebee |
| 02:39.32 | bigbenbenson | even nouveau is almost better than bumblebee |
| 02:41.02 | rant | yeah bumblebee is a crazy hack that tries to use the nvidia gpu to do heavy lifting for the intel gpu |
| 02:41.23 | rant | I wouldn't even attempt it personally.. just sounds like a headache |
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| 02:43.46 | davis_ | hmm I added the steps as the debian wiki page on NvidiaGraphicsDrivers Optimus suggested but that failed when I used bumblebee. I'll remove bumblebee and try to install primus as you suggested keeping all the other changes agvialble. When i did "systemctl restart gdm3.service" all I got was flashing screens and no x on any of the virtual terminals. |
| 02:45.03 | rant | if not bumblebee, one GPU or the other needs to be disabled |
| 02:45.03 | davis_ | odd. apt-get install primus, installs primus and bumblebee. I had just did a apt-get remove bumblebee. |
| 02:45.45 | rant | you can't have two GPUs trying to work in hybrid config because nothing but bumblebee supports that |
| 02:45.50 | davis_ | this is setting up a initrd. I think I need to reboot. |
| 02:46.26 | davis_ | yes, i think the xrandr stuff in the /usr/local/bin/switch_nvidia.sh script that page has might be doing that. |
| 02:46.31 | davis_ | brb. reboot |
| 02:47.00 | bigbenbenson | Arch wiki has WAY better details on how to primus with only nvidia card. |
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| 02:53.08 | lessthan0 | any idea why I get warnings for r8169 possible missing firmware? |
| 02:53.21 | lessthan0 | the nic works perfectly |
| 02:53.58 | lessthan0 | it does it on boot when LVM is installed only |
| 02:54.30 | lessthan0 | it also shows up when installing LVM2 deb on a machine with no PV VG LV |
| 02:54.58 | lessthan0 | but I don't understand why they are related |
| 02:55.16 | lessthan0 | and the nic works fine so maybe the warning is erroneous |
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| 02:57.29 | davis_ | hmm. that did not help. |
| 02:57.54 | davis_ | i noticed that lsmod does not show nvidia or nouveau active. |
| 02:59.10 | bigbenbenson | davis_: arch wiki has a great page on optimus that is a lot easier to follow than debian wiki |
| 02:59.45 | davis_ | ok many thanks. |
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| 03:00.34 | bigbenbenson | I did manage a jessie and stretch install with primus on my old laptop, but I can't remember 100% all the steps. |
| 03:01.31 | davis_ | apt-get remove nvidia-driver |
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| 03:02.13 | davis_ | lol, well that worked once i was in a console. let me see if I can get x back on reboot. |
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| 03:05.18 | davis_ | nope. still no x. |
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| 03:16.30 | SerajewelKS | i don't know if it helps, but a coworker had an optimus-enabled laptop and only had problems trying to get it to work on debian. eventually he sold that laptop and got one with just nvidia graphics. |
| 03:16.51 | rant | yes, sounds like a good idea |
| 03:18.38 | SerajewelKS | there was always something going wrong. x wouldn't start. it would start but his fans would be running full-blast all the time. programs would clearly be using the wrong graphics hardware even when instructed to use the other. |
| 03:18.55 | SerajewelKS | lots of x crashes and/or total system freezes. just wasn't worth fighting. |
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| 03:20.15 | SerajewelKS | (it doesn't much help that x wasn't really designed for any of the stuff we use it for today -- let alone on-the-fly switching of underlying graphics hardware) |
| 03:21.06 | SerajewelKS | i consider it a monumental success if i plug my linux laptop into a projector and don't have to restart X to make it work |
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| 03:26.20 | davis_ | hmm. i did another guide. lets see what happens on reboot this time. |
| 03:26.24 | davis_ | brb |
| 03:26.25 | mac` | need to upgrade this old Kernel 2.6.32-042stab127.2 |
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| 03:28.06 | rant | then you should talk to a redhat channel or your sysadmin |
| 03:29.09 | mac` | i am using debian |
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| 03:29.44 | mac` | what i need to do install linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64 |
| 03:29.48 | mac` | then grub |
| 03:29.54 | rant | yeah well thats a redhat kernel not a debian one |
| 03:30.15 | rant | so you must be using debian as a guest on a redhat vps or something |
| 03:30.31 | mac` | good to know, it was installed on my vps server when i selected the os |
| 03:30.57 | rant | hence why I said talk to your sysadmin |
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| 03:31.10 | rant | cause they are prob the ones have to change that |
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| 03:31.38 | rant | idk much about hypervisors and such really |
| 03:31.46 | mac` | you think you can help me to config this Kernel? |
| 03:32.40 | mac` | is this the current debian linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64 version |
| 03:32.51 | rant | ,kernels |
| 03:32.52 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.6-1); buster: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.16-2); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.16.16-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
| 03:32.53 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 03:33.19 | rant | mac`: apparently 4.9.0-6 is the latest |
| 03:33.31 | mac` | thank you Rant |
| 03:33.36 | rant | ,i linux-image-4.9.0-amd64 |
| 03:33.37 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-4.9.0-amd64' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 03:33.46 | rant | ,i linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 |
| 03:33.47 | judd | Package linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 (kernel, optional) in stretch/amd64: Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs. Version: 4.9.82-1+deb9u3; Size: 38071.0k; Installed: 188221k; Homepage: https://www.kernel.org/ |
| 03:34.08 | mac` | cache shows .5 is current |
| 03:34.28 | rant | then I guess you need to update your cache :P |
| 03:34.55 | rant | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 03:34.56 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-security: 3.2+46+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 4.9+80+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u4; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u4; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9+80+deb9u5; stretch-backports: 4.16+94~bpo9+1; buster: 4.16+94; sid: 4.16+94 |
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| 03:39.07 | mac` | ok so i install the System.map-4.9.0-5-amd64 config-4.9.0-5-amd64initrd.img-4.9.0-5-amd64 vmlinuz-4.9.0-5-amd64 < boot should i install grub2? |
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| 03:40.00 | rant | how the hell should we know? you don't even seem to know what you're running.. |
| 03:40.26 | mac` | lol i am running debian 9 |
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| 03:41.12 | rant | only way thats true is if its a guest OS and that sort of info is wholly relevant to things like kernel and bootloader |
| 03:42.11 | mac` | cat /etc/issue Debian GNU/Linux 9 \n \l |
| 03:42.31 | rant | or you did something really crazy to wind up with a RHEL kernel thats ancient and are now doing some weird non-debian method of hacking in a debian kernel |
| 03:42.43 | rant | in debian you just install the package, thatts it |
| 03:43.03 | rant | it builds the initrd, puts links in place, sets up the bootloader..etc |
| 03:43.45 | mac` | i am using vps that's the way the container is config |
| 03:44.30 | rant | I know next to nothing about those setups but I kinda thought you had to have the admin change things like this |
| 03:45.10 | rant | cause depending on what sort of "container" youre in you may need a special kernel |
| 03:45.16 | rant | among other things |
| 03:46.00 | mac` | let's see if this container can handle this vmlinuz-4.9.0-5-amd64 |
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| 03:46.44 | rant | you believe in an all knowing diety? |
| 03:47.24 | rant | cause if not, then you may be the only one who could know the answer to that :P |
| 03:47.34 | mac` | i did it before |
| 03:47.55 | mac` | on my freebsd kernel works differently |
| 03:48.05 | mac` | but let me load this on the grub see what it says |
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| 03:49.08 | mac` | Generating grub configuration file ... Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-5-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-5-amd64 done |
| 03:49.13 | mac` | lets me reboot and see |
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| 04:31.11 | epicmetal | Well, it was unusually resolving to an IPv6 address, so I disabled IPv6 in APT. And then the IPv4 was timing out |
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| 04:34.21 | epicmetal | Nevermind, it is happening for multiple mirrors |
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| 09:15.11 | gidna | Hello |
| 09:15.20 | rant | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.21 | gidna | I cannot install debian from the net CD.. |
| 09:15.50 | rant | im sorry to hear tht:p |
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| 09:16.49 | rant | unless youre looking for sympathy or comisery i suggest that you elaborate |
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| 09:19.41 | petn-randall | gidna: What is preventing you from doing so? |
| 09:20.18 | gidna | I burn the cd on a pendrive.. during the install after selecting the language a keyboard, it asks me to insert a valid CDROM |
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| 09:21.18 | petn-randall | gidna: How did you put it on the pendrive? |
| 09:21.28 | petn-randall | With which tools, that is. |
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| 09:22.07 | gidna | petn-randall: with the dd command.. the iso boots properly.. |
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| 09:23.09 | petn-randall | gidna: Which image did you use? (link) |
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| 09:49.21 | gidna_ | sorry, it disconnected.. |
| 09:50.38 | petn-randall | gidna: No worries. Which image did you use? (link) |
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| 09:52.37 | gidna_ | petn-randall: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.4.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 10:01.29 | noodleking | hi |
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| 10:05.31 | noodleking | What's enp0 and how is it different from eth0? Also any good online resources for setting up and configuring static IP and LAMP on the current Debian? |
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| 10:07.01 | babilen | noodleking: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ |
| 10:07.26 | babilen | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
| 10:07.47 | babilen | And then just install mariadb, nginx and go ;) |
| 10:07.48 | noodleking | thanks, just got the same recommendation from the ubuntu channel - setting up a couple of dev VMs in windows with Ubuntu and Debian. |
| 10:07.54 | noodleking | ah |
| 10:08.04 | babilen | Are you using Ubuntu or Debian? |
| 10:08.08 | noodleking | I've not used nginx in years |
| 10:08.13 | noodleking | babilen both |
| 10:08.22 | noodleking | they're VMs in Windows. |
| 10:08.26 | babilen | That's fine - You can use Apache if you like :) |
| 10:08.41 | noodleking | I'm happy to try it again. |
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| 10:10.08 | babilen | Just make sure to install the corresponding PHP package for integration .. for nginx you'd typically use php-fpm, whereas Apache traditionally runs with libapache2-mod-php |
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| 10:10.57 | noodleking | thanks babilen, I've been out of it for a few years, so very rusty but bits and pieces are coming back :) |
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| 10:12.09 | petn-randall | gidna_: I'm guessing that something went wrong then. Did you verify the image? |
| 10:12.26 | petn-randall | gidna_: Also, what is the exact dd command you used? |
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| 10:32.42 | gidna_ | I don't think it has to due with the burning of the image.. |
| 10:33.42 | blackflow | babilen: noodleking: note that there is NO dichotomy in fpm vs mod-php. those are two different ways apache uses PHP. Apache can (and should!) use FPM just fine, via fastcgi. |
| 10:34.11 | babilen | blackflow: There are many ways, hence the "traditionally" |
| 10:34.11 | blackflow | mod php is an ancient concept and shouldn't be used any more. |
| 10:34.22 | babilen | And to explain the Depends in the PHP packages |
| 10:34.37 | babilen | I am in no way advocating using mod php |
| 10:34.53 | babilen | Personally I run most on fpm behind nginx |
| 10:35.01 | babilen | (if I have to touch PHP for clients) |
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| 10:43.15 | blackflow | babilen: well, the way you formulated it, you implied nginx should be used with fpm and apache should be used with mod-php. at least that's how I read what you said ;) |
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| 10:45.47 | MrScoumoune | Hi all, what is the better virtual android for debian, I used for launch app, actualy i tried to use anbox but is very difficult |
| 10:45.59 | babilen | blackflow: That would be the traditional setup in a way, yes |
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| 10:46.27 | babilen | I mean that's the entire reason why php pulls in apache mod which pulls in apache |
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| 10:46.35 | babilen | (not that I consider that to be great) |
| 10:46.58 | annadane | what's the proper mailing list for backports security announcements? |
| 10:47.29 | babilen | annadane: https://backports.debian.org/Mailinglists/ |
| 10:47.30 | blackflow | babilen: I'm not even sure that would be "traditional", more like ancient and not recommended for a long time. Apache+PHP setups have been long recommended with fastcgi |
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| 10:48.18 | babilen | blackflow: I totally agree, but there is a certain history associated with these packages that are reflected in their packaging |
| 10:49.17 | babilen | I see how what I mentioned earlier could be misconstrued and I will try to be clearer in differentiating between advocacy and information |
| 10:49.56 | babilen | But then .. I wouldn't advocate to use PHP to begin with ;) |
| 10:50.25 | blackflow | definitely :) |
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| 10:54.16 | shtrb | Is there a way for me to identify what "paints" a square only in ttys ? (on the top left corner of the screen I have a blob of lines, but only present after graphical.target is reached and only in the ttys) |
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| 10:54.59 | blackflow | shtrb: pics or it never happened. |
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| 10:55.27 | shtrb | lol , thanks , but I have no idea how to do a screenshot in textual mode |
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| 10:58.50 | blackflow | shtrb: use your phone? upload to imgur? |
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| 11:07.22 | Murda | I'm trying to host mail server for 2 different and I want to separate them like test@example1.com wont receive emails for test@example2.com, is there any good tutorial/example? |
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| 11:09.09 | RoyK | Murda: here are several types of software usable for that |
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| 11:09.48 | RoyK | Murda: if it's a dedicated machine or a dedicated vm, for that sake, and if you haven't done this before, perhaps something like zimbra may be the easiest path |
| 11:09.52 | blackflow | Murda: Postfix' VIRTUAL_README. http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html there's also the #postfix channel if you get stuck |
| 11:10.24 | RoyK | blackflow: you'll need something doing IMAP and perhaps webmail on top of that - postfix is just an MTA |
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| 11:11.04 | blackflow | Murda: what RoyK said. Use Dovecot for that. Plenty of Postfix+Dovecot integration articles on google. |
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| 11:12.07 | RoyK | just uses zimbra - ok - it's a beast - but it's a rather nice beast |
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| 11:13.00 | RoyK | ,v dovecot |
| 11:13.02 | judd | No package named 'dovecot' was found in amd64. |
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| 11:13.55 | blackflow | yeah you have to specify which backend variants you need, eg: |
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| 11:14.00 | blackflow | ,v dovecot-imapd |
| 11:14.01 | judd | Package: dovecot-imapd on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.1.7-7+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:2.1.7-7+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:2.2.13-11~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.2.13-12~deb8u4; jessie-security: 1:2.2.13-12~deb8u4; jessie-backports: 1:2.2.27-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:2.2.27-3+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1:2.2.27-3+deb9u2; jessie-backports-sloppy: 1:2.2.33.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports: |
| 11:14.02 | judd | 1:2.2.34-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1:2.3.2-2; sid: 1:2.3.2-2 |
| 11:14.12 | RoyK | thanks |
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| 11:16.35 | noodleking | would I be right in thinking that enp0s3 = Ethernet PCI 0 slot 3? |
| 11:17.01 | blackflow | I have a manually integrated Postfix + dovecot + RoundCube for some webmail love. I don't like mini "operating systems" like Zimbra for such a straightforward task. Yeah, I know Zimbra has moar features than that. |
| 11:17.25 | noodleking | I'm reading through this - https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ - and https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/master/src/udev/udev-builtin-net_id.c#L20 and trying to make sense of my "ip address" command return. |
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| 11:18.19 | blackflow | noodleking: en for etherned, and then p<bus>s<slot>, there's no [P<domain>] in your case |
| 11:18.23 | blackflow | *ethernet |
| 11:18.38 | noodleking | ah |
| 11:18.53 | noodleking | so the "p" stands for PCI bus? That's what I was thinking. |
| 11:19.02 | blackflow | noodleking: however, it's a bit more complicated to predict it in advance. you have to check two things: |
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| 11:20.27 | blackflow | noodleking: 1) what's teh naming policy: grep NamePolicy /lib/systemd/network/99-default.link and then using that ORDER, check with `udevadm info /sys/class/net/...` elements like ID_NET_NAME to see what names are offered by the drive |
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| 11:21.57 | blackflow | so eg if udevadm shows available ID_NET_NAME_MAC, _PATH, _ONBOARD, then you can see from that order what will be used first. eg. _ONBOARD before _PATH before _MAC |
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| 11:22.13 | noodleking | blackflow NamePolicy = "NamePolicy=kernel database onboard slot path" |
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| 11:23.17 | noodleking | ah, so in my case kernel then database then onboard? |
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| 11:23.50 | blackflow | noodleking: which is default but if you have enp0s3 then I suppose _PATH won |
| 11:25.18 | noodleking | blackflow ah, would that have any knock on effects - is this question too broad? - with regards to setting up things like static IP, hostnames etc., for the purposes of a fully configured LAMP dev environment? |
| 11:25.40 | blackflow | noodleking: "knock on"? |
| 11:26.57 | noodleking | blackflow I was thinking that if I tried to setup static IP and hostname, would I have to bear anything particular in mind, because of this "_PATH" preference over onboard? |
| 11:27.06 | noodleking | I guess that question is too broad and vague. |
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| 11:27.59 | blackflow | noodleking: yeah the paradox here is that you can't predict in advance without actually looking what udev is seeing |
| 11:28.27 | noodleking | ah |
| 11:28.50 | noodleking | :( I think it's going to take me a lot longer to get my head around all this. |
| 11:28.58 | blackflow | "predictable" only means that it'll do its best to keep the name unchanged for the same physical device. eg, it wont' switch eth0 with eth1, for example if you had more than one NIC, on next boot. |
| 11:29.17 | blackflow | now, "do its best" means if you change hardware layout somehow, there's no guarantee it won't change the name. |
| 11:30.07 | noodleking | lol |
| 11:31.34 | noodleking | I can't even run udevadm - the command is missing |
| 11:31.37 | rafalcpp | somehow some packages broke on debian |
| 11:31.46 | rafalcpp | how to fully reinstall most packages? |
| 11:32.03 | rafalcpp | especially gnome related packages (libs?) |
| 11:32.11 | petn-randall | polishes the crystal ball. |
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| 11:32.39 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: like a script to uninstall every package besides bare minimum, and then reinstall all that was installed |
| 11:32.40 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: Seems like it's broken. I guess you need to explain your problem in detail the old-fashioned way. |
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| 11:32.53 | petn-randall | !goal |
| 11:32.54 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 11:33.09 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: have a debian that works again, without fully installing system again |
| 11:33.24 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: We're still talking about your proposed solution ... |
| 11:33.35 | annadane | rafalcpp, let's start with: how did the packages break? |
| 11:33.59 | annadane | also, what release are you on? |
| 11:34.11 | annadane | (stable, testing, unstable) |
| 11:34.11 | petn-randall | Or rather: What are you seeing that makes you think reinstalling will fix it? |
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| 11:34.30 | petn-randall | because reinstalling likely won't fix it. |
| 11:34.36 | blackflow | noodleking: /sbin/udevadm |
| 11:34.50 | rafalcpp | annadane: no idea, my collegue told he his debian now refuses to run most programs that "use gtk". I assume reinstlling all related packages would fix it. debian stable. hdd seems not damaged etc |
| 11:35.20 | annadane | has your colleague tried running it from the terminal and seeing what the output says? |
| 11:35.25 | noodleking | blackflow thanks |
| 11:35.37 | rafalcpp | annadane: errors like: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0: undefined symbol: cairo_ft_font_options_substitute |
| 11:36.10 | rafalcpp | reinstalling libpangocairo... actually didn't helped tho |
| 11:36.24 | annadane | because it's not guaranteed a generic reinstall would fix anything |
| 11:36.34 | rafalcpp | annadane: what else would? |
| 11:36.54 | annadane | well, i'm not sure. but the point is your colleague is guessing solutions when we first have to identify the actual problem |
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| 11:38.05 | rafalcpp | corruption of packages seems only way how debian stable would suddenly stop working (also same errors when moving HDD to other computer hardware) imo |
| 11:38.05 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 is a symlink, what does it point to? |
| 11:38.37 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: IME it's accidentally pulling packages from buster or 3rd parties. At least in 99% of the cases in this channel. |
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| 11:39.40 | petn-randall | And if that's the case, reinstalling will just pull the same packages again and accomplish nothing. |
| 11:40.32 | rafalcpp | sdf5: <petn-randall> rafalcpp: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 is a symlink, what does it point to? |
| 11:41.08 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: sdf5 is your collegue with the issue? |
| 11:41.11 | rafalcpp | yeap |
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| 11:42.16 | petn-randall | sdf5: Can you run one of the affected programs from the terminal, and paste the command + complete output to https://paste.debian.net? |
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| 11:43.15 | sdf5 | ?? |
| 11:44.14 | sdf5 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:48.34 | sdf5 | petn-randall: that pastern site is not working well on Apple, it asks for some client side SSL cert (huh?) |
| 11:49.09 | blackflow | don't run crapple. |
| 11:49.19 | rafalcpp | blackflow: need a working linux first :) |
| 11:50.30 | blackflow | rafalcpp: try dpaste.de then |
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| 11:56.06 | iron_houzi | I have installed TPM on MoBo, but rngd still cannot read from /dev/hwrng .. TPM is activated in BIOS how can I check that linux has driver support for the TPM? |
| 11:57.16 | iron_houzi | Even if rng-tools is not running, I still have ~3800 of available entropy, which is really good. Does that mean that the kernel is using the TPM? How can I check this? |
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| 11:58.08 | iron_houzi | I do have this in journalctl: tpm_tis MSFT0101:00: 2.0 TPM (device-id 0x1A, rev-id 16) |
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| 11:58.35 | iron_houzi | ..so it seems that the device is detected |
| 11:58.58 | petn-randall | sdf5: Aren't you currently on the machine with the problems? |
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| 12:00.22 | iron_houzi | I think I need rngd, since reading 2048 bytes from /dev/random is blocking waiting for more entropy. If the TPM was working, this wouldn't have happened right? |
| 12:00.48 | iron_houzi | s/working/utilized |
| 12:01.31 | petn-randall | iron_houzi: Do you have rng-tools5 installed? |
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| 12:02.26 | iron_houzi | petn-randall: I did .. I just went back to rng-tools to check if that was working any better.. with rng-tools5 I got "read error" .. but with minimal verbosity it was hard to understand the problem.. |
| 12:03.14 | petn-randall | iron_houzi: rng-tools (without 5) is v2 with lots of Debian-specific extensions, which don't work on newer CPUs. So I'd go with rng-tools5, unless you CPU is ancient. |
| 12:03.39 | iron_houzi | petn-randall: OK, I'll go back and try that again |
| 12:04.05 | iron_houzi | petn-randall: ..btw, I see there's /dev/tpm0, should I try making rngd read from that device in stead of /dev/hwrng? |
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| 12:08.19 | iron_houzi | petn-randall: OK, rngd (rng-tools5) is reporting read error -- *BUT* it seems to be working, since I can keep reading 2048 bytes from /dev/random without any noticible lag |
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| 12:12.07 | sdf5 | https://dpaste.de/7VRr |
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| 12:19.34 | sdf5 | petn-randall: https://dpaste.de/7VRr |
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| 12:38.31 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: well he fixed it |
| 12:39.04 | annadane | rafalcpp, sdf5, mind telling us how it was fixed, for the benefit of everyone? |
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| 12:43.09 | omarek | Hi is it possible to use curl to get a value of a JSON response ? FOr example typical 3 line response is: {"token": "a3g4435434h44gdfh54"} |
| 12:45.34 | monty86 | something like https://gist.github.com/cjus/1047794 perhaps |
| 12:45.58 | bites | omarek: you can use jq to parse what you get from curl. |
| 12:47.00 | omarek | By the way how do I pipe to awk? |
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| 12:48.04 | iron_houzi | omarek: Doesn't pipe operator (|) work for awk? |
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| 12:48.23 | omarek | I'm getting response I don't understand, I guess. |
| 12:48.45 | bites | then show us the whole command. |
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| 12:48.51 | aindilis | hey, question, is AI still a bad word or do people openly talk about it on Debian anymore? |
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| 12:49.12 | iron_houzi | omarek: I'd use jq for JSON anyways. Super nice tool |
| 12:49.48 | bites | aindilis: this channel is only for debian support. if you want to discuss ai try #debian-offtopic |
| 12:49.57 | aindilis | ty |
| 12:50.00 | iron_houzi | omarek: `jq '.token' <file>` outputs the value |
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| 12:51.23 | iron_houzi | omarek: make that `jq -r '.token' <file>` to remove double quotes |
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| 12:54.37 | omarek | bites: Thanks. In the end I went with python3 -c one-liner, because sadly jq isn't installed by default. |
| 12:55.02 | omarek | iron_houzi: the confusing output was from curl. |
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| 12:55.40 | mspe | curl -s "http://sub.domain.tld/query" | jq ".token" |
| 12:56.10 | mspe | (âsudo apt install jqâ if needed) |
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| 12:56.41 | iron_houzi | omarek: jq is super easy to install as it's a standalone binary .. if you don't have super strict rules about that stuff ..still open source with shasums if you're paranoid |
| 12:56.56 | sdf5 | annadane: run various fixes from various sites |
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| 12:57.16 | mspe | just tested it right now with âecho '{"key": "value"}' | jq ".key"â |
| 12:57.17 | iron_houzi | mspe: You'd probably want -r to strip quotes from the value, no? |
| 12:57.28 | mspe | returning â"value"â |
| 12:57.58 | sdf5 | including https://sft.its.cern.ch/jira/si/jira.issueviews:issue-html/SPI-995/SPI-995.html |
| 12:58.12 | mspe | maybe, but I was trying to get generic here |
| 12:58.25 | mspe | and I actually learned about the existence of the jq package ^^ |
| 12:58.33 | omarek | iron_houzi: I prefer something that is even simpler (installed by default) because I will put it into a jira ticket or on slack so other programmers can trivially use the command. |
| 12:58.39 | sdf5 | including https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=151942 |
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| 13:00.04 | omarek | iron_houzi: This is good enough, we're Python developers. curl magic commands | python3 -c "import sys, json; print(json.load(sys.stdin)['token'])" > tok |
| 13:00.44 | petn-randall | sdf5: That's an arch packaging bug, I doubt it applies to Debian. |
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| 13:00.57 | mspe | I hesitated to post this one, but I assumed the OP wanted something shell-restricted |
| 13:01.16 | mspe | otherwise, yes: python3 FTW |
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| 13:06.17 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: somehow one of this (and other) fixes worked |
| 13:06.45 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: I seen somewhat similar bug on Mint too, suddenly "X stoped working" (but you can get to pure X + aterm, perhaps + xfce) |
| 13:06.52 | rafalcpp | I wonder if there is some underlying bug that spreaded |
| 13:08.30 | petn-randall | Hard to say without any info. |
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| 13:14.33 | TRS-80 | Good morning, fine people! :) |
| 13:15.02 | annadane | scowls. |
| 13:15.10 | aindilis | hello |
| 13:15.36 | TRS-80 | So, is /netboot/mini.iso a "live" CD or an "installer"? I'm looking for the smallest "live" CD I can find. |
| 13:15.51 | TRS-80 | smiles at annadane anyway |
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| 13:17.01 | bites | i have trouble getting SOL to work on debian jessie. i want to use two serial ports. one works fine, com1 -> ttyS0 the serial port for SOL, com3 -> ttyS2 does not. when i try to connect i get a blank line and no login prompt. starting the serial-getty@ttyS2 unit manually didn't help. it works with both serial ports when i boot with sysvinit. |
| 13:17.24 | TRS-80 | I just downloaded torrent of debian-live-9.4.0-amd64-xfce.iso.torrent but would prefer something without any DE, if such a thing exists |
| 13:17.28 | annadane | resists making the obvious joke |
| 13:17.53 | bites | i did add this to grub, which i thought was enough for systemd to spawn the right getty. GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8 console=ttyS2,115200n8" |
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| 13:18.51 | TRS-80 | bites FWIW responses are pretty slow in here, I'd recommend patience and/or possibly also trying ##linux |
| 13:19.20 | bites | that's fine, it's not my first time here :P |
| 13:19.20 | TRS-80 | but they do come, eventually, usually... ;) |
| 13:19.34 | annadane | hey, we're not _that_ slow |
| 13:20.08 | TRS-80 | is aware that other people have lives outside of his current problem |
| 13:20.12 | TRS-80 | ;) |
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| 13:57.09 | killall | My supermicro server is blinking red on the sata backplane (bpn-sas3-815tq) and i cant figure why. All the hdds are ok. |
| 13:57.17 | killall | After the os boot only |
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| 14:00.28 | gartral | killall: have you run a concurance test with smart? |
| 14:01.53 | killall | gartral, no, but no matter what disks i put in it blinks red only the last 2 bays (of the 4 ones i have) |
| 14:02.45 | gartral | killall: have a raid controller? |
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| 14:04.32 | killall | gartral, no, nothing. Just a fresh install of debian and 4 disks |
| 14:04.49 | killall | bios raid is off |
| 14:04.49 | gartral | killall: I meant in hardware, what's the motherboard? |
| 14:04.53 | gartral | ok |
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| 14:05.11 | gartral | but the board HAS a raid controller on board, yes? |
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| 14:06.25 | killall | yes it has |
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| 14:09.33 | killall | mb is X10DRL-i |
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| 14:10.48 | jim | killall, does your board work well with debian? |
| 14:11.02 | killall | jim i hope so..... |
| 14:11.08 | killall | but os is ok :) |
| 14:11.18 | jim | how is it so far? |
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| 14:11.51 | killall | current load for testing is 56 |
| 14:11.53 | killall | and all nice |
| 14:11.57 | gkwhc | might anyone know how to search what gnome-network-preferences is part of which package? |
| 14:12.40 | petn-randall | gkwhc: Is that the name of the command? If yes, 'apt-file search gnome-network-preferences' will tell you. |
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| 14:13.29 | gkwhc | petn-randall: yes, but its not installed as of yet |
| 14:13.49 | jim | killall, I think you'll find debian to be very solid |
| 14:13.50 | petn-randall | gkwhc: apt-file or gnome-network-preferences? |
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| 14:14.25 | killall | jim, im on debian for 7 years :p |
| 14:14.44 | killall | servers run either debian or proxmox (debian based) |
| 14:14.47 | gkwhc | petn-randall: gnome-network-preferences |
| 14:14.56 | jim | then maybe you've already found that :) |
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| 14:17.32 | killall | jim yes :) but for now my server has a problem with 2 drives bay blinking red, and i cant find solution |
| 14:17.35 | petn-randall | gkwhc: That doesn't matter, apt-file searches the repos, not the local system. |
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| 14:18.29 | gkwhc | petn-randall: oh cool, thanks! |
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| 14:20.56 | killall | gartral, motherboard is supermicro is X10DRL-i |
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| 14:47.16 | leszek | hi |
| 14:47.31 | leszek | is the fix for the broken chromium coming in debian backports soon or should I build it myself? |
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| 14:49.21 | petn-randall | leszek: What is "the fix"? |
| 14:49.31 | petn-randall | Chromium works fine here. |
| 14:49.41 | leszek | @petn-randall on stable? |
| 14:49.56 | petn-randall | leszek: Yes. |
| 14:49.59 | leszek | html5 audio&video is broken and someone closed the bug as it is fixed in experimental :P |
| 14:50.11 | petn-randall | leszek: Do you have a bug number? |
| 14:50.26 | leszek | I can give you even the URL: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=900533 |
| 14:50.32 | greycat | #900533 |
| 14:50.36 | petn-randall | cheers |
| 14:50.41 | greycat | hmm.. |
| 14:50.53 | leszek | the solution would be building chromium with its internal ffmpeg but that isn't happening for backports as I can see from the debian archive/folder |
| 14:51.07 | leszek | so this is the fix: https://salsa.debian.org/chromium-team/chromium/commit/402b98bb1079079a788696650e0a922b1e16bed8 |
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| 14:51.20 | leszek | didn't land in backports causing the issues also other people report |
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| 14:55.00 | greycat | ,v chromium |
| 14:55.01 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 63.0.3239.84-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 67.0.3396.87-1~deb9u1; buster: 67.0.3396.87-1; sid: 67.0.3396.87-1; experimental: 68.0.3440.33-1 |
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| 14:55.32 | greycat | So I guess it's a "security" update of chromium that triggered it. |
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| 14:56.39 | Frank2 | hello |
| 14:56.46 | Frank2 | !resize |
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| 15:00.51 | leszek | greycat: so is someone fixing the issue now or? |
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| 15:01.09 | greycat | I have no idea. The bug report says to downgrade. |
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| 15:02.25 | leszek | hmm... nothing I can do for my users though. (I am the main dev of the Neptune Distribution which is based on Stable) So I guess I will recompile the stuff like the patch suggests and ship that until debian backports fixes it somehow |
| 15:02.47 | leszek | I hate it though as I want it fixed for everyone :) |
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| 15:03.13 | Frank2 | hello |
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| 15:03.38 | Frank2 | I resized a partiton with gparted to expand it |
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| 15:04.07 | Frank2 | but after resize2fs give me a error |
| 15:04.15 | Frank2 | # resize2fs /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 15:04.15 | Frank2 | resize2fs 1.42.13 (17-May-2015) |
| 15:04.15 | Frank2 | resize2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 15:04.15 | Frank2 | Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock |
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| 15:04.40 | leszek | Frank2: seems like the filesystem needs a check |
| 15:05.08 | Frank2 | leszek, so, how may I solve the problem ? |
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| 15:05.42 | leszek | Frank2: do a filesystem check fsck on that device via terminal and see if it finds errors and is able to fix stuff |
| 15:05.47 | leszek | after that try resizing again |
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| 15:05.58 | leszek | also btw. systemd has a resizing utility aswell nowadays |
| 15:06.04 | greycat | You'll have to unmount the file system before you can check it. |
| 15:06.10 | Frank2 | leszek, with the OS go on ? |
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| 15:06.51 | leszek | Frank2: no. Do it from a live system |
| 15:07.09 | leszek | or another linux system on the same pc |
| 15:07.11 | leszek | :) |
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| 15:07.25 | Frank2 | leszek, I'm from a live |
| 15:07.35 | greycat | ... huh |
| 15:07.41 | petn-randall | leszek: What is the systemd resizing util called? |
| 15:07.46 | leszek | Frank2: then just unmount it |
| 15:08.06 | leszek | petn-randall: systemd-growfs |
| 15:08.23 | Frank2 | leszek, it's unmounted |
| 15:08.27 | leszek | though that might be not in debian stable |
| 15:08.44 | greycat | why in the hell would an init system have low level file system... never mind, I don't want to know |
| 15:08.48 | leszek | Frank2: then you can do the check fsck /dev/mmcblk0p1 or whatever the partition is |
| 15:09.17 | leszek | greycat: it wants to conquer the world apparently :) |
| 15:09.21 | greycat | oh, is /dev/mmcblk0 not a partition? that's what he gave to resize2fs |
| 15:09.33 | greycat | Maybe he just used the wrong resize2fs command in the first place. |
| 15:09.35 | leszek | greycat: nope thats the whole block device |
| 15:09.48 | leszek | oh that might be totally possible |
| 15:10.09 | leszek | man I need a faster machine or a cluster or something. Compiling Chromium takes some hours :/ |
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| 15:10.36 | Frank2 | https://pastebin.com/QMnvvd8R |
| 15:11.20 | Frank2 | gine me error |
| 15:11.23 | Frank2 | give |
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| 15:11.51 | Frank2 | the is updated |
| 15:12.17 | greycat | Frank2: when you unmounted it, what command did you type to unmount it? |
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| 15:13.53 | greycat | His pastebin has 1. fsck /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 15:14.09 | greycat | So he should be using resize2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2 NOT what he showed us originally! |
| 15:14.23 | Frank2 | greycat, I do it from gui |
| 15:14.41 | greycat | But /dev/mmcblk0p2 is the correct device? |
| 15:14.45 | Frank2 | however the partition is /dev/mmcblk02p |
| 15:14.49 | Frank2 | yes |
| 15:14.56 | greycat | resize2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
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| 15:15.44 | leszek | the unsupported metadata_csum is another error coming from an older version you are currently running that does not support the filesystem features of ext4 |
| 15:16.01 | leszek | get a newer version or reformat with something that your system supports |
| 15:16.27 | Frank2 | leszek, https://pastebin.com/8PmV6LeV |
| 15:17.04 | Frank2 | the system is updated, I'm using ubuntu 16.04 lts updated |
| 15:17.27 | leszek | Frank2: you are not able to mount the system do you? |
| 15:17.42 | leszek | Because the error message clearly says your ext4 stuff is out of date |
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| 15:17.53 | leszek | the csum error that is |
| 15:17.58 | Frank2 | yes, I'm able to mount and unmount the file-system |
| 15:18.15 | leszek | so running from a live system a resizefs with outdated tools on a fs that is newer is something I wouldn't recommend |
| 15:18.26 | greycat | agreed |
| 15:18.35 | Frank2 | this is a raspian microsd card, using ext4 |
| 15:18.52 | leszek | Frank2: ok then the permission error is because you are running it as normal user and not sudo/root |
| 15:19.01 | greycat | And this is neither #ubuntu nor #raspbian. |
| 15:19.08 | leszek | true aswell |
| 15:19.12 | Frank2 | I use raspian on raspberry pi 3 B+ |
| 15:19.26 | Frank2 | ah... |
| 15:19.39 | Frank2 | is it different from debian ? |
| 15:19.48 | greycat | !raspbian |
| 15:19.48 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 15:20.32 | Frank2 | OK, excuse me, I tkinked it was a porting of debian |
| 15:20.50 | Frank2 | porting for arm cpu of debian |
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| 15:24.09 | lmw | Running Debian 9.4.0 with latest updates installed and ClamAV installed. Ran a scan and got this: |
| 15:24.13 | lmw | Just... why?! |
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| 15:24.38 | lmw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:26.41 | davis | hello, I am yet again trying to get nvidia working on my debian laptop. |
| 15:27.14 | davis | this time, I have done the instructions on this page https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
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| 15:27.49 | WhiteDevil | hi |
| 15:27.55 | davis | i have also updated my laptop firmware to latest. and I have modified my grub kernel cmdline to have pcie_port_pm=off |
| 15:27.58 | WhiteDevil | i just formated my usb drive with mkfs.ext3 |
| 15:28.04 | WhiteDevil | now i cant copy content into the drive |
| 15:28.08 | WhiteDevil | it says access denied |
| 15:28.35 | greycat | did you mount it? did you create a directory that you can write to, or chown the root of the USB's file system? |
| 15:28.47 | WhiteDevil | well its automount |
| 15:28.52 | davis | X still works at this point, but lsmod shows that nvidia is not loaded. I seem to be using the uvcvideo driver. i'm not sure what that is |
| 15:29.05 | WhiteDevil | i havnt chown it |
| 15:29.07 | WhiteDevil | i should try that |
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| 15:29.17 | WhiteDevil | chown 777 /dev/sdg ? |
| 15:29.22 | WhiteDevil | is that right ? |
| 15:29.25 | greycat | only if you have a user ID of 777 |
| 15:29.37 | greycat | usually your user ID is >= 1001 |
| 15:29.41 | WhiteDevil | that means i have to be admin ? |
| 15:29.50 | davis | i also have thinkpad_acpi and i915 driver loaded. I think those are the video driver for intel chipset and not nvidia |
| 15:29.54 | WhiteDevil | i thought 777 meant read , write and execute |
| 15:30.06 | greycat | That's chmod. |
| 15:30.11 | WhiteDevil | ahh |
| 15:30.16 | WhiteDevil | can i used chmod then ? |
| 15:30.19 | WhiteDevil | use* |
| 15:30.20 | greycat | Can you? |
| 15:30.32 | WhiteDevil | i mean thats why i asked if its okay to do this |
| 15:30.40 | WhiteDevil | chmod 777 /dev/sdg |
| 15:30.41 | greycat | No, actually go and try it and see. |
| 15:30.46 | greycat | Learn. |
| 15:31.10 | greycat | And NO, do NOT do it on the DEVICE. This should be done on the mount point. |
| 15:31.21 | lmw | What's this from ClamAV? Will I get a reply here, or what? /usr/bin/systemd-mount: Unix.Trojan.Vali-6606621-0 FOUND |
| 15:31.29 | greycat | If you mounted it on /media/starfish then chown "$LOGNAME" /media/starfish |
| 15:31.48 | WhiteDevil | ohh i did it on the device |
| 15:31.54 | WhiteDevil | is it always gonna have 777 now ? |
| 15:32.11 | davis | optirun glxgears -info shows my fps less than 100 so it does not appear to be able to enable the driver. |
| 15:32.11 | WhiteDevil | since everything in linux is a file |
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| 15:32.18 | greycat | Were you root at the time? What output did you get? What were the perms before, and what are they now? |
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| 15:32.32 | WhiteDevil | i was root when i did it |
| 15:32.58 | greycat | Well, it's a removable device, right, so the device node probably goes away when you unmount and detach it. |
| 15:33.06 | WhiteDevil | ahh cool |
| 15:33.17 | greycat | In which case your changed permissions should disappear with it, I imagine. Maybe? Who knows. You don't touch the device nodes. |
| 15:33.19 | WhiteDevil | okay let me try it on the mount file |
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| 15:34.42 | WhiteDevil | that works |
| 15:34.48 | WhiteDevil | chmod 777 on the mount point |
| 15:34.53 | greycat | *sigh* why god why |
| 15:35.07 | WhiteDevil | i remember chmod 777 when i was kid and learnt alittle linux |
| 15:35.14 | greycat | Unlearn it. |
| 15:35.29 | lmw | don't forget chmod u+s |
| 15:36.10 | greycat | You griped about having to be root to run the chown, and asked if you could just use chmod instead, so I replied "try it and see" THINKING THAT YOU WOULD DO IT AS NON-ROOT. And therefore get an error message. And therefor learn something from it. |
| 15:36.42 | WhiteDevil | communication error |
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| 15:36.44 | horani | chmod 777 is still not chmod -R 777... |
| 15:36.59 | greycat | An ext3 file system is a UNIX style file system, where everything has an owner. If you want to be able to write stuff in a directory, you need to have write perms on the directory, which you USUALLY GET by being the OWNER of the directory. |
| 15:37.34 | lmw | greycat: which is stupid for removable drives like USB drives. |
| 15:37.36 | WhiteDevil | i see |
| 15:37.50 | greycat | Since you chose to put a UNIX (as opposed to MICROSOFT) file system on this device, I assumed you intended to use it in a Unix style, meaning ownerships. |
| 15:38.00 | WhiteDevil | yes i do |
| 15:38.05 | WhiteDevil | i only use linux |
| 15:38.09 | greycat | Then stop breaking your permissions. |
| 15:38.10 | WhiteDevil | bioth my bootable systems are linux |
| 15:38.56 | lmw | greycat: it's his computer, not yours. stop telling others what they have to do... |
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| 16:13.52 | jhutchins_wk | Or not... |
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| 16:46.36 | NetTerminalGene | will debian switch to flatpak or something? |
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| 16:49.22 | greycat | No. |
| 16:51.35 | cloudiver | it could be adopted for some specific kinds of applications |
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| 16:55.13 | NetTerminalGene | latest firefox would be cool |
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| 16:55.54 | NetTerminalGene | ,v firefox |
| 16:55.55 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 61.0-1; experimental: 62.0~b3-1 |
| 16:56.00 | cloudiver | i think firefox-esr will be quantum very soon |
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| 16:57.33 | cloudiver | actually, let me check that... |
| 16:58.24 | cloudiver | it seems mozilla are supporting a non-quantum and a quantum version of firefox-esr at the moment |
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| 16:59.00 | cloudiver | won't be til december til they drop non-quantum completely, and debian stable plays it safe. so maybe no quantum til december |
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| 17:03.08 | zerocool | anyone here know anything about ceph? |
| 17:03.44 | petn-randall | !anyone |
| 17:03.45 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 17:03.59 | petn-randall | zerocool: ^^^ It's better if you ask your real question. |
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| 17:04.36 | davis | i'm trying to get nvidia bumblebee working. I am using the debian wiki entry and the archlinux page as well. |
| 17:04.46 | zerocool | im basically wondering if i can use ceph to make use of storage that exists inside of my hypervisors... say i have three hypervisors (kvm/libvirt on debian) with internal storage, each has a different raid card or not a raid card and a bunch of disk... can i use ceph to cluster this storage and serve it back to the hypervisors |
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| 17:05.01 | davis | I have it partially working. My X session still works so I can get into gnome |
| 17:05.19 | davis | but it appears its using my i915 driver |
| 17:05.20 | zerocool | so to connect libvirt storage pool to a what looks like a single pool, comprised of all of the storage within the hypervisors |
| 17:05.29 | zerocool | via ceph |
| 17:05.39 | petn-randall | zerocool: That sounds like a recipe for disaster. Why stack so many things that depend on each other in a loop? |
| 17:06.21 | davis | however, I can do optirun -b none nvidia-settings -c :8 and it will detect my nvidia card |
| 17:06.54 | petn-randall | zerocool: Also I don't understand where the storage is coming from. It should reside on the host. You somehow have it in the guest and want to pass it back to the host? |
| 17:07.32 | zerocool | petn-randall: currently i have a NAS outside of the hosts so that vm's can be migrated from host to host without moving the storage |
| 17:07.44 | zerocool | my problem is there are not a lot of good ways to back up the storage |
| 17:08.03 | zerocool | i also have a lot of space sitting in pockets in the hosts but they are not used |
| 17:08.28 | zerocool | because they would be locked into the host, i can't migrate one vm to another host unless they have access to the storage |
| 17:08.50 | zerocool | so i would need to share every host's internal storage with every other host |
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| 17:09.07 | petn-randall | zerocool: Why not? The VMs are usually just qcow2 files on the host, and live migration is already supported for a while now. |
| 17:10.52 | zerocool | petn-randall: the vm is essentially an xml file and ram, the vm reads and writes to the qcow2... if you migrate the vm to another host you are moving the xml file that describes the system and the memory that the vm is using, the host you are moving to needs access to the disk |
| 17:11.06 | zerocool | live migrations usually just move the memory, not the disk |
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| 17:11.41 | zerocool | there are ways to move the disk sure but this means one live migration could be moving 500gb or more of data from one host to another |
| 17:11.54 | zerocool | then you have to think about... which host has how much storage space |
| 17:12.05 | zerocool | can i even move 500gb to this other host? |
| 17:12.35 | petn-randall | zerocool: You can provide network storage to the VM hosts, without having any hypervisors involved. |
| 17:13.30 | zerocool | i have two dedicated NAS's that all hypervisors look to |
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| 17:20.18 | shtrb | I'm having a reaaly annoying feature, that only if I switch from a grapichal tty to a text one the text one will have a graphical blob one the top left part. I even found a way to reproduce it (to open hexchat and send myself a message if hexchat is in full mode to trigger the feature, and to "hide" it to open a konsole with black background to remove the blob) - where should I search for the cause ? I have tried with removing Desktop effect but still |
| 17:20.18 | shtrb | the same results |
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| 17:27.46 | lowin | I'm trying to build my custom initramfs with debian's kernel. I can't seem to get cryptsetup to work |
| 17:27.57 | lowin | What are the correct modules to load? |
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| 17:28.11 | cloudiver | i believe there is info on the archwiki |
| 17:28.13 | lowin | Apparently dm_crypt doesn't exist |
| 17:28.44 | lowin | I'm familiar with the general idea. I just can't get dmcrypt to work with debian's kernel |
| 17:28.47 | cloudiver | what is your end goal? full disk encryption? |
| 17:28.53 | shtrb | The fact that archwiki is used instead of debian wiki is bad |
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| 17:29.05 | lowin | cloudiver, yes |
| 17:29.29 | shtrb | lowin, dm_crypt exist in debian |
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| 17:30.00 | lowin | shtrb, I know it does. lsmod lists it. but find /lib/modules -name "dm_crypt*" finds nothing |
| 17:30.12 | cloudiver | did you install debain with encryption enabled? and are you using GRUB or UEFI? |
| 17:30.16 | lowin | Not sure what name I should be looking for |
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| 17:30.37 | cloudiver | just want to get an idea of what you're working with |
| 17:31.37 | lowin | cloudiver, no encryption was not enabled during install. I also have experience with debian's update-initramfs method of full disk encryption, but that's not what I want |
| 17:31.46 | lowin | I want my own custom initramfs |
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| 17:32.28 | lowin | My current solution would be compiling my own kernel with dm_crypt built in, but I'd really like to use debian's kernel if possible |
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| 17:35.57 | lowin | or.... Alternatively, If anyone told me how I can slip my own scripts, modules and binaries into mkinitramfs's output in a way that I can take over the whole root partition mounting, that'd work too |
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| 17:47.16 | shtrb | lowin, did you build the kernel yourself ? if so did you make sure it's enabled ? |
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| 17:47.52 | lowin | shtrb, no It's the standard stretch kernel, which has practically no built-in modules |
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| 17:48.20 | lowin | problem is that I don't know what to modprobe to get cryptsetup going. because modprobe dm_crypt fails |
| 17:49.16 | shtrb | did it really say dm_crypt is missing ? |
| 17:49.24 | lowin | Although I haven't tried copying the whole ~250mb package of modules into my initramfs yet |
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| 17:51.42 | shtrb | you also need to make sure the random generator is presented |
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| 17:52.30 | shtrb | lowin, from https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Custom_Initramfs#DM-Crypt |
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| 17:54.27 | lowin | so.. drng module? |
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| 17:59.51 | lowin | So copying the whole /lib/modules/version/* into my initramfs didn't work because I have only 50mb free space in my /boot and my initramfs image becomes 66mb |
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| 18:00.26 | lowin | gentoo assumes dm-crypt modules are built into the kernel |
| 18:00.39 | shtrb | having 50 mb only will lock you for the next upgrade |
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| 18:00.56 | lowin | That's the least of my worries now |
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| 18:02.25 | lowin | I should have probably clarified. this isn't your regular everyday setup that I'm hoping to achieve. I've developed a device to unlock the computer using fingerprints, by feeding a random generated keyfile to cryptsetup |
| 18:03.45 | lizardlarry | Does anyone know if resetting the bios will help unblock a hard blocked wireless LAN phy0? Thanks |
| 18:03.49 | lowin | everything works inside the normal os with proper modules loaded. but I can't get cryptsetup working in my custom initramfs and using the default initramfs images wouldn't be an option |
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| 18:07.07 | okularnik | hello |
| 18:07.18 | okularnik | i am president of debian in Poland |
| 18:07.43 | okularnik | i want fight for kompilling and add to kernel xorg |
| 18:07.48 | shtrb | bowing |
| 18:08.00 | okularnik | i want XORG driver in kernel |
| 18:08.17 | okularnik | cause xorg.foundation is 30 years of hard work |
| 18:08.23 | okularnik | about graphics |
| 18:08.36 | greycat | decides to wait |
| 18:08.45 | okularnik | this is what polen say |
| 18:08.59 | okularnik | stay XORG IN KERNEL ! |
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| 18:09.10 | okularnik | POLAND SAY --- XORG GO TO KERNEL ! |
| 18:09.47 | okularnik | and this is my voice of Milczarski von vel SATURNIN |
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| 18:10.08 | jawr | hi there, im having a curious problem with open file limits. im running a program as root (required for port privs), i have allowed root a soft/hard limit of 10000, if i do ulimit -n/Hn it reports 10000 |
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| 18:10.38 | jawr | but if i start the program (under supervisor but running as root) as soon as it reaches ~ 1000 files it falls over |
| 18:10.42 | greycat | jawr: there is no such thing as "I allowed user account ___ to have". Resource limits are per-process. |
| 18:10.57 | greycat | Set the limit in the process. |
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| 18:11.42 | jawr | i thought thats what /etc/security/limits.conf was for? |
| 18:11.44 | greycat | When you say "i do ulimit ..." you probably mean you ran that in an interactive shell, yes? Then you are modifying or showing the resource limits of that shell. Not all the other processes. |
| 18:12.03 | jawr | no i set it in /etc/secuirity/limits.conf |
| 18:12.06 | greycat | limits.conf is a PAM thing. It will be used for PAM sessions. If your daemon isn't started as part of a PAM session, it's irrelevant. |
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| 18:12.26 | greycat | Set the limit in the daemon's unit file or boot script or whatever runs it. |
| 18:12.30 | jawr | ah, so supervisor starts it outside of pam, so it doesnt get picked up |
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| 18:13.50 | jawr | thank you so much greycat ! |
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| 18:31.57 | davis | I'm still trying to get my debian linux laptop to work with nvidia. |
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| 18:33.24 | greycat | What GPU(s)? lspci -nn |
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| 18:42.41 | davis | greycat: it is nvidia |
| 18:43.16 | davis | I have a partial install. I can do optirun -b none nvidia-settings -c :8 |
| 18:43.26 | davis | and it will show the gpu and its settings |
| 18:43.39 | davis | however optirun glxgears will not work usng gpu |
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| 18:44.17 | greycat | If you are even aware of the word optirun then it sounds like a optimus/bumblebee thing with dual GPUs. So the first thing you do is run lspci -nn to see which GPUs they are. Then you go to the Debian wiki page for optimus. |
| 18:44.20 | davis | if I just start x and do lsmod, nvidia is not there |
| 18:44.26 | greycat | !optimus |
| 18:44.27 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:44.57 | davis | that is the guide i used to set it up |
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| 18:46.35 | davis | once I do that optirun above, i will see nvidia in my lsmod output |
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| 18:47.34 | davis | when I quit the nvidia-settings app, lsmod will no longer show the nvidia module loaded |
| 18:47.48 | davis | so the install is somewhat correct |
| 18:48.27 | davis | that page does not describe my error, so I am lost. |
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| 19:22.49 | Gabriel99882 | hi guys. im trying to get Debian9 in a Raid0 configuration, looks like the GRUB did not install correctly |
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| 19:23.23 | Gabriel99882 | i made 2 partitions on each drive, (/ and swap on both) |
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| 19:30.45 | Mr_Queue | Gabriel99882: That's not really how it works. |
| 19:31.16 | Mr_Queue | You want to create a partition on each device and then use that partition as a member of your raid0 md device. |
| 19:31.31 | Mr_Queue | Then you put / on md0 or whatever. |
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| 19:31.55 | Mr_Queue | Also.. Raid0 is pretty terrifying. If you lose one, you lose everything. |
| 19:32.22 | RoyK | Gabriel99882: last I checked, linux can't boot from raid0 |
| 19:32.29 | Mr_Queue | Bullshit. |
| 19:32.35 | RoyK | Gabriel99882: don't use it unless you really know what you're doing |
| 19:32.36 | greycat | Might be OK if it's a disposable system, one of a batch of many. |
| 19:33.11 | greycat | "If one of the disks fails, I just replace both disks and reinstall." |
| 19:33.25 | Mr_Queue | That's how our compute nodes work. |
| 19:33.34 | Mr_Queue | replace ssd and move on. |
| 19:33.40 | RoyK | and pray to the nearest god if you don't have a backup |
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| 19:34.15 | Gabriel99882 | we want to merge both drives |
| 19:34.17 | Gabriel99882 | its not a failsafe |
| 19:34.25 | Mr_Queue | That will work then. |
| 19:34.37 | RoyK | or just use lvm |
| 19:34.55 | Mr_Queue | Naw linux raid them. |
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| 19:35.35 | Gabriel99882 | ok guys, what do you recommend, i have my boss wanting to go Windows and i do not want! |
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| 19:35.48 | Mr_Queue | What does the machine do? |
| 19:36.00 | RoyK | Gabriel99882: if it's job stuff - use something with redundancy - really |
| 19:36.17 | Mr_Queue | Depends... I have 18,000 non-redundant nodes. :) |
| 19:36.39 | RoyK | Mr_Queue: I somewhat doubt a lot of the rest of us here have that |
| 19:36.42 | Mr_Queue | Except for the 18,000 part. lol.. Another one can takes it's place. |
| 19:36.43 | Gabriel99882 | redundancy is not the question |
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| 19:36.55 | Gabriel99882 | its just a production server where we want to host Tableau |
| 19:37.14 | RoyK | "just" a production server with no redundancy? ;) |
| 19:37.20 | Mr_Queue | Yeah, the production part of that and the host part of that.. You probably don't want raid0. |
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| 19:37.30 | Mr_Queue | Just go buy bigger disks.. Disks are cheap. |
| 19:37.33 | Gabriel99882 | we use backups |
| 19:37.40 | Mr_Queue | Its time, not backups. |
| 19:37.40 | Gabriel99882 | come one guys, dont preach me, hah |
| 19:37.50 | RoyK | Gabriel99882: and a crash will mean downtime - lots of it |
| 19:37.55 | Mr_Queue | ^ |
| 19:37.59 | greycat | You asked for our recommendations. You're getting them. |
| 19:38.03 | Gabriel99882 | hah |
| 19:38.06 | RoyK | Gabriel99882: raid isn't backup - but it helps a lot to keep things up |
| 19:38.17 | Mr_Queue | Go buy some disks and do it like the big boys do. |
| 19:38.34 | Gabriel99882 | ok lets put things like this if you want, its a minecraft server i want to host. |
| 19:38.51 | Gabriel99882 | i have two SSD drives and i want linux to think its one in the Debian installation |
| 19:38.53 | greycat | And your boss plays Minecraft on it? |
| 19:39.10 | RoyK | nice boss |
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| 19:39.23 | Gabriel99882 | yes, but its not too demning! so downtime is not an issue! |
| 19:39.31 | Gabriel99882 | *demanding |
| 19:39.43 | greycat | If it's not too demanding then why are you doing RAID0? |
| 19:39.44 | Mr_Queue | Well we all learn from our mistakes.. |
| 19:39.58 | Mr_Queue | So, lets raid0 it. |
| 19:40.28 | Mr_Queue | Go back to the installer, get to partitioning and choose manual. |
| 19:40.38 | RoyK | Gabriel99882: some of us learn from our own mistakes, others tend to learn from other people |
| 19:40.54 | Gabriel99882 | i just want to merge both disks, may be raid0 or any other solution you may suggest, i'm open to anything that works. :) |
| 19:41.07 | greycat | WHY do you want to "merge both disks"? |
| 19:41.10 | Mr_Queue | Then create 1 partition on each, use them for raid members. |
| 19:41.22 | Mr_Queue | Next, add that md to the pv for the lvm. |
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| 19:41.28 | greycat | Just so you can say you did it once? Padding your resume? |
| 19:41.37 | Mr_Queue | then cut out 3 lv. /boot / and swap |
| 19:41.50 | Mr_Queue | And you're done. Until the first drive fails. |
| 19:42.28 | Mr_Queue | Then you get to practice all ^^^ again. |
| 19:43.02 | Gabriel99882 | wait wait Mr_Queue . i already partitioned both drives, one with ext4, othe swap, on both, symetrical. already added them to to RAID0 configs. could you explain a little bit the lvm part? |
| 19:43.27 | Mr_Queue | Uhh, that's not how raid works my friend. |
| 19:43.45 | Mr_Queue | I do freelance work. msg me. |
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| 19:50.06 | icebp241 | i'm trying to follow a guide on setting up a openvpn server. unfortunately when i get the the firewall part it kills ssh and i dont understand why |
| 19:50.07 | icebp241 | https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/vpn/set-up-a-hardened-openvpn-server/ |
| 19:50.10 | icebp241 | step 4 |
| 19:50.13 | icebp241 | anyone mind taking a look? |
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| 19:50.49 | icebp241 | it looks like its allowing it on line 14 |
| 19:51.03 | icebp241 | but after i apply the rules i can no longer ssh into the vm |
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| 19:51.10 | Mr_Queue | icebp241: Probably the name of your interface isn't eth0 |
| 19:51.32 | icebp241 | ...crap |
| 19:51.40 | icebp241 | yeah, missed that entirely |
| 19:51.43 | icebp241 | thanks |
| 19:51.52 | jhutchins_wk | icebp241: I would guess that you have a default DENY rule, and don't have an exception for ssh. |
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| 19:54.33 | Mr_Queue | icebp241: fwiw, I love pfsense for openvpn. |
| 19:54.42 | icebp241 | no luck even after correcting the interface name |
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| 19:55.04 | Mr_Queue | Well... You just lose remote access right? |
| 19:55.10 | icebp241 | interesting, never actually tried pfsense |
| 19:55.23 | icebp241 | yeah, i cant ssh into the VM anymore |
| 19:55.23 | Mr_Queue | How about a pastebin of 'netstat -nL' |
| 19:55.37 | Mr_Queue | read if first if you have anything custom |
| 19:56.39 | icebp241 | ssh is running |
| 19:56.47 | icebp241 | i was using it before playing with the firewall |
| 19:56.49 | Mr_Queue | yeah I figured that. |
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| 19:57.26 | Mr_Queue | I also recommend using shorewall for your firewall.. It's really easy. |
| 19:59.43 | Mr_Queue | icebp241: but if you're only after a openvpn server for your home or office then I would suggest you do it with pfsense instead. User/Key management is super easy. |
| 20:00.12 | icebp241 | think id rather get past this iptables hicup honestly |
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| 20:00.41 | Mr_Queue | Well, pastebin 'iptables -nL' |
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| 20:00.52 | davis | hello, I'm still trying to get nvidia to be my driver for xorg. I have a partial installion working. |
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| 20:01.38 | icebp241 | i dont have a good way of doing that without ssh going again |
| 20:02.19 | Mr_Queue | icebp241: dump it to file on the machine and reboot into a working ssh. |
| 20:02.39 | Mr_Queue | iptables -nL > /root/iptables_dump.txt |
| 20:02.45 | Mr_Queue | reboot |
| 20:02.54 | Mr_Queue | gimme gimme gimme |
| 20:03.28 | Mr_Queue | davis: Okay, what's the issue? |
| 20:03.59 | davis | Mr_Queue: When I lsmod, I dont see nvidia loaded |
| 20:04.11 | davis | its only when I use optirun that I will see nvidia loaded |
| 20:04.30 | davis | with that said, I have touse a special invocatino of optirun to do so. |
| 20:04.31 | Mr_Queue | What card do you have and what driver version are you trying to use? |
| 20:04.40 | greycat | Mr_Queue: to save a bit of time, I asked him repeatedly to run lspci -nn and he never did. |
| 20:04.41 | icebp241 | https://paste.debian.net/1033609/ |
| 20:04.53 | davis | greycat: sorry i missed that. |
| 20:05.02 | davis | the video card id is 2.0.0 |
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| 20:05.39 | davis | I have tried this a few times and I have needed to reinstall since I screwed up my xwindows |
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| 20:06.17 | davis | but now, I have done the things in the wiki. I can write down everything I have done and put it in a gist or pastebin so I dont flood this channel |
| 20:06.26 | davis | would you care to see something like that? |
| 20:06.48 | icebp241 | Mr_Queue so looks like ssh should be fine on 22 |
| 20:07.00 | icebp241 | ACCEPT tcp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 state NEW,ESTABLISHED tcp dpt:22 |
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| 20:07.57 | Mr_Queue | icebp241: yeah should be okay there. |
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| 20:11.48 | Mr_Queue | icebp241: Really take a look at http://shorewall.net/OPENVPN.html |
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| 20:13.17 | SomeT | anyone know the heck I find a folder thats being hosted on my server via tunnelling |
| 20:13.26 | SomeT | basicaly it seems to be hosting a folder directory |
| 20:13.33 | SomeT | can't find it even using locate command in terminal |
| 20:13.43 | SomeT | but the setup is weird its like a debian windows 10 hybrid |
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| 20:14.21 | blackflow | what! |
| 20:14.50 | Mr_Queue | icebp241: Your shorewall rules would look something like this https://paste.debian.net/plainh/376f43a0 |
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| 20:15.05 | Mr_Queue | SomeT: Sure.. lsof |
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| 20:15.45 | SomeT | lsof is a command? |
| 20:15.58 | SomeT | I dunno its so dam weird lol |
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| 20:16.16 | Mr_Queue | ls = list of = open files |
| 20:16.25 | Mr_Queue | list of open file.. |
| 20:16.32 | Mr_Queue | I should bill you for that one. |
| 20:17.14 | SomeT | nice thanks |
| 20:17.26 | mspe | lsmod, lspci, lsusb, etc. |
| 20:17.32 | Mr_Queue | stop it.. |
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| 20:17.45 | Mr_Queue | save some for latter. |
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| 20:18.09 | icebp241 | ugg |
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| 20:18.22 | icebp241 | not thrilled with adding more crap |
| 20:18.48 | SomeT | ok I think the folder is coming from a drive |
| 20:18.54 | SomeT | thats not linked to the terminal |
| 20:19.02 | SomeT | but I am tunnelled into both via bitvise client |
| 20:19.07 | SomeT | its a really weird setup... |
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| 20:19.19 | blackflow | you're just trolling right? |
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| 20:20.13 | SomeT | bi |
| 20:20.16 | SomeT | *no |
| 20:20.19 | Mr_Queue | icebp241: one of the best parts of shorewall is the 'check' you can run before deploying the rules.. |
| 20:20.26 | Mr_Queue | 'shorewall check' |
| 20:20.43 | Mr_Queue | and if you have a syntax error in there that will fuck everything up..... It will tell you. |
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| 20:21.03 | SomeT | basically tunelled into a server, it has debian coming up as the command line, then a mounted drive that is multi adapted to ubuntu and windows 10 |
| 20:21.05 | blackflow | SomeT: I think you are, you're just tossing random tech words into sentences. |
| 20:21.23 | SomeT | I am trying to break down what is going on because I am clueless tbh |
| 20:21.25 | SomeT | its not easy |
| 20:21.36 | Mr_Queue | Sure it is. |
| 20:22.00 | SomeT | cries and asks how |
| 20:22.15 | Mr_Queue | lsof |
| 20:22.19 | SomeT | I tried this |
| 20:22.21 | Mr_Queue | if it's open, it's there. |
| 20:22.22 | blackflow | ... |
| 20:22.49 | SomeT | lemme investigate |
| 20:22.58 | Mr_Queue | pm me your IP/username/password I'll find any file or directory you want. |
| 20:23.07 | blackflow | dance of the trolls. it must be friday 13th. oh, wait... |
| 20:24.02 | SomeT | usually I would |
| 20:24.11 | SomeT | but because this goes into a big organisation |
| 20:24.14 | SomeT | I can't |
| 20:24.25 | Mr_Queue | hahahaha, yeah, okay. We're done. |
| 20:24.32 | Mr_Queue | Best of luck. |
| 20:24.45 | Mr_Queue | - /ignore SomeT |
| 20:24.51 | Mr_Queue | whoops... Lemme fix that. |
| 20:25.59 | SomeT | dude why so harsh |
| 20:26.06 | SomeT | you just asked me for a user name and password |
| 20:26.12 | SomeT | which is bad practise as it is |
| 20:26.39 | blackflow | SomeT: on the off chance that you're serious, you find files and dirs with `find`, not `locate` (which requires a prebuilt database of them). `man find` for a manual. |
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| 20:27.06 | SomeT | ah thanks |
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| 20:27.32 | SomeT | I have this folder called joomla coming up |
| 20:27.40 | SomeT | its just nto anywhere to be found on my system |
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| 20:29.09 | greycat | I don't understand the sentence "I have a folder called ___ coming up" |
| 20:29.22 | SomeT | yeah I dont eithert |
| 20:29.24 | greycat | If it doesn't exist, how do you know it's a "folder" (directory? mailbox?) |
| 20:29.28 | SomeT | it comes up on local host in browser |
| 20:29.32 | SomeT | but nowhere in the file system |
| 20:29.39 | greycat | What does "comes up" mean? |
| 20:29.47 | SomeT | comes up in the browser on an apache server |
| 20:29.58 | greycat | You mean someone requests it, and you see that request in the log? |
| 20:30.00 | SomeT | https://gyazo.com/c9eda6a35ea5842cf3f8b7ecfd0d2444 |
| 20:30.04 | SomeT | I think so |
| 20:30.40 | greycat | People request nonexistent shit on web servers *all the time*. Ignore it, or if it's spamming hundreds of megabytes in the log, block them at the firewall. |
| 20:31.27 | SomeT | I can't ignore it |
| 20:31.36 | SomeT | it is the key to finding the web server directory I actually need |
| 20:31.42 | greycat | !xy |
| 20:31.43 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 20:31.54 | greycat | What are you actually trying to do? |
| 20:32.01 | SomeT | um I just thought |
| 20:32.08 | SomeT | upload files to apache |
| 20:32.11 | SomeT | but |
| 20:32.23 | greycat | You need to install or write an application to permit file uploads. |
| 20:32.35 | greycat | It's not a natural thing that just happens. |
| 20:32.35 | SomeT | I just thought I usually work with nginx first of all not apache, in nginx you can query the server, e.g. check its status and such |
| 20:32.47 | greycat | ... so it's NOT uploading |
| 20:32.49 | SomeT | so maybe I am asking in the wrong place... |
| 20:32.55 | greycat | What are you actually trying to do? |
| 20:32.57 | SomeT | joins #apache |
| 20:33.08 | SomeT | I am trying to upload files to a web server |
| 20:33.22 | greycat | What application are you using to do that? |
| 20:34.05 | SomeT | bitvise client for now |
| 20:34.18 | SomeT | just because thats how I was instructed in order to access the tunnel |
| 20:34.53 | greycat | ... tunnel. So you're not trying to allow web users to upload? You're just trying to actually WORK ON THE DAMNED THING yourself, personally, as the administrator? |
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| 20:35.16 | SomeT | yeah |
| 20:35.21 | SomeT | but I don't have root access lol |
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| 20:35.41 | greycat | Then do what the person with root access told and allowed you to do. |
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| 20:36.10 | SomeT | I did.... |
| 20:36.18 | SomeT | but it obviously dont work the way they intended |
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| 20:36.49 | Guest65556 | sorry wrong channel |
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| 20:45.53 | gkwhc | slim chance, but anyone happening to be running Redmine on their machine? i just followed the instructions on getting everything set up correctly, but there wasnt any prompt for setting root password to MySQL/mariadb |
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| 20:46.41 | greycat | In stretch, mariadb doesn't require a root password to connect locally as root. If you need to set a root password for some other application that expects to need one, then you can do that. |
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| 20:47.20 | greycat | though I would ask why an application needs to know the database's root password |
| 20:47.46 | gkwhc | greycat: well im trying to log in to import a database, but it keeps saying access denied |
| 20:48.28 | greycat | http://paste.debian.net/1033612/ |
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| 20:49.14 | gkwhc | greycat: oh! huh thats odd, i was trying to do mysql -u root |
| 20:49.31 | greycat | *as* root? |
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| 20:50.33 | gkwhc | no |
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| 20:51.16 | greycat | When you connect over a unix domain socket (locally), the database knows who's connecting. If you're root, it lets you in. |
| 20:52.05 | gkwhc | gotchya, i'll keep that in mind |
| 20:52.11 | gkwhc | thanks greycat |
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| 20:55.52 | davis | Mr_Queue: greycat here are my notes relative to the nvidia guide |
| 20:55.56 | davis | https://gist.github.com/netskink/890561fc84af675e7d54ffc13b12277a |
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| 21:04.03 | Gringonar | Where does bash story it's history other than ~/.bash_history? |
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| 21:04.33 | greycat | in memory, or in whatever file you tell it to use |
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| 21:05.11 | Gringonar | if its stored in memory is it still usable after reboot? |
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| 21:05.47 | greycat | When bash starts up, it reads n lines from the history file into memory and that's your history for the current session. When bash exits normally, it writes n lines from memory to the history file. |
| 21:06.22 | Gringonar | Because i can go back though commands i issued a long time ago but they are not stored in "~/.bash_history. "so it has to be somewhere else |
| 21:06.28 | greycat | If you reboot without logging out normally, then stuff in memory may or may not be written to the history file, depending on exactly what you're doing. |
| 21:06.40 | SomeT | I am gonna call it quits |
| 21:06.43 | SomeT | and stop being lazy |
| 21:06.50 | SomeT | and take the literally 2 min walk to the lab |
| 21:07.02 | SomeT | and go to the server in person lol |
| 21:07.05 | SomeT | would be a lot easier |
| 21:07.10 | SomeT | thanks for the help anyway |
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| 21:08.44 | Gringonar | well i can use commands i used litterly years ago (dont use terminal a lot) so i doubt its in memory |
| 21:09.43 | greycat | You can use the "history" command to see what is in your current shell's memory. |
| 21:10.02 | Gringonar | ok ill try |
| 21:10.03 | Gringonar | ty |
| 21:10.26 | greycat | Again, that memory is read from disk at shell start, and written TO disk at shell exit. If you started, used, and exited some OTHER instance of bash while this one was already up, then you may have overwritten the older history lines from the file. Even if they're still in memory in THIS instance. |
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| 21:18.59 | Gringonar | History > '/som/dir/termhist.log' worked perfectly, thank you very much |
| 21:19.20 | Gringonar | i got like 2000 commands including the ones i wanted |
| 21:19.59 | Gringonar | even if its read from disk its not in "~/.bash_history." |
| 21:20.12 | Gringonar | so its magic |
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| 21:23.42 | jalt | Hi, given a package with a typically interactive installation, what is the simplest, yet correct way to automate it for use with DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive? Assume that I already have the list of dbconf keys and corresponding answer types. |
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| 21:25.57 | mspe | if you use DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive, the package installs with default values |
| 21:26.06 | mspe | you can then modify its configuration files |
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| 21:26.55 | jalt | my idea was to set them during the installation, like preseeding |
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| 21:27.28 | jalt | the package I have in mind is matlab-support, if it matters: https://salsa.debian.org/neurodebian-team/matlab-support/tree/master/debian |
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| 21:28.09 | jalt | there are no conf files afaik, it just does stuff during the install procedure (or dpkg-reconfigure) |
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| 21:32.59 | Mr_Queue | davis: bumblebee .... Pretty sure that's a laptop which I don't have, but I think it's been ironed out.. |
| 21:33.36 | Mr_Queue | Anyhow, I'm headed out for the night. Going to a baseball game to see what the non-nerds are up to for the evening. |
| 21:34.43 | davis | Mr_Queue: ok no worries |
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| 22:05.19 | dekkard | anyone familiar with bitmask?? |
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| 22:10.32 | rant | dekkard: I think you are |
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| 22:18.18 | gkwhc | hey guys, so ive installed a few packages like mysql-server, etc and during the installation it self configures the DB. but upon removing and reinstalling, apt seems to bypass as the DB is already there. how can i completely remove/reinstall clean? |
| 22:18.44 | gkwhc | i tried apt remove --purge but that didnt help |
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| 22:31.57 | mspe | --purge removes configuration files |
| 22:32.13 | mspe | your db is data |
| 22:33.06 | mspe | guess it must be in something like /var/lib/mysql |
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| 22:54.32 | Xanthor | hi |
| 22:54.53 | Xanthor | I'm experencing https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?format=default&id=1375974 with firefox package 52.9.0esr-1 |
| 22:55.11 | Xanthor | do you think we should reopen the bug, or the packaged version is too old ? |
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| 22:56.29 | Xanthor | the stack : http://batman.gyptis.org/zerobin/?d590766f92378c74#PyuOqktoztjL0TeeyKXOhqzhPcj299mZMDTrsnJX/4U= |
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| 22:57.23 | velix | Why is such a new tool, like apt, missing important features, like output to JSON? |
| 22:57.39 | velix | "apt list" is a mess... very hard to parse. |
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| 23:11.16 | zerocool | but i cannot create a storage pool because of this error, error: internal error: missing backend for pool type 10 (gluster) |
| 23:11.42 | zerocool | i cannot create a storage pool because of this error, error: internal error: missing backend for pool type 10 (gluster) |
| 23:11.52 | zerocool | sorry |
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| 23:19.20 | zerocool | ah, it might be that i am missing... `libvirt-daemon-driver-storage-gluster` which is not available from stable repos |
| 23:19.23 | zerocool | :/ |
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| 23:53.55 | granttrec | so to become root in aptitude, it promts for sudo as expected. I have the following config in my sudoers file: https://paste.linux.community/view/59c10157 . If I enter aptitude, I can become root without a sudo promt, however doing something like sudo -g user aptitude install ... fails, any ideas? |
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| 23:59.29 | macgyver_ | hi I just installed the debian 9 32bit to an intel atom |
| 23:59.37 | macgyver_ | what should I do next? |
| 23:59.51 | macgyver_ | I wish to install google chrome but I cannot find for 32 bit |