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| 00:37.49 | m0rd3cai | somiaj: im not 100% it has to do with suspend its just everytime i close the lid and open it up. if I dont fully close the lid, just close it enough for screen to shutoff it will come right back on. if I fully close the lid, i HAVE to ctrl-alt-f1. nothing else works. |
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| 00:40.15 | mudblur | hi all! I'm facing an issue with gnome-shell that I'm not sure if it's a bug or some bad extension that I'm using. After some time using the environment, I cannot get the password dialog for VPN connections using NetworkManager-Gnome. Checking journalctl, I see "gnome-shell[2352]: JS ERROR: error while spawning VPN auth helper: GLib.Error g-unix-error-quark: Too many open files". Any advice? |
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| 00:46.33 | Nemo79 | Hi,someone knows if exists any way to install Deepin Desktop Environment (DDE) in debian? |
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| 00:48.02 | mudblur | Nemo79, looks like it's possible using sid repositories: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/397016/can-i-install-the-deepin-desktop-environment-in-debian |
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| 00:50.15 | somiaj | I would not mix stable and sid, and suggesting such a thing will lead to problems, so please don't. If you are running testing or sid, it could be possible. |
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| 00:51.05 | Pwnna | Is there a fakemount kinda thing like fakeroot/fakechroot? |
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| 00:51.19 | somiaj | Pwnna: what would a fakemount do? |
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| 00:51.36 | annadane | (there's a fakechroot...?) |
| 00:51.51 | annadane | makes sense i guess |
| 00:51.55 | Pwnna | fakeloopmount, maybe a better description |
| 00:51.58 | Nemo79 | mudblur, yeah! The deepin linux is based in debian sid, but i'm afraid broken my system! |
| 00:52.13 | Pwnna | and possibly fake bind mounts as well |
| 00:52.54 | Pwnna | basically i want to have an image to be available to an application as some path, but without root |
| 00:53.03 | somiaj | Pwnna: put it in fstab then |
| 00:53.07 | Pwnna | don't have root tho |
| 00:53.26 | mudblur | Nemo79, the risk is real... specially for packages with many dependencies like an DE... =/ |
| 00:53.27 | somiaj | Pwnna: but in general being able to mount things can be a security issue, so I don't think there is a way to nicely do this as a user without root privlages. |
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| 00:54.33 | Pwnna | yeah... basically i want to have like.. fuse, except it's not really mounted on the system, but only available to a single process, or something like that if that makes sense |
| 00:55.18 | somiaj | hmm, wonder how fakechroot keeps the user from escaping teh chroot and becoming root |
| 00:55.38 | Pwnna | i believe fakeroot ld preloads the setuid call, no? |
| 00:55.47 | Pwnna | maybe it's more complex than that.. |
| 00:56.24 | somiaj | Pwnna: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/32008/how-to-mount-an-image-file-without-root-permission |
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| 00:56.38 | Pwnna | yeah i read that. basically it tells me i'm out of luck |
| 00:56.40 | somiaj | the man page says fakeroot doens't use setuid, so it somehow makes everything owned by the user |
| 00:56.47 | Pwnna | unless fusermount is available on the system. |
| 00:57.00 | Pwnna | http://www.embeddedlinux.org.cn/OEManual/fakeroot.html |
| 00:57.18 | Pwnna | > It's using LD_PRELOAD to load a shared library into program which replaces calls into libc, such as open and stat, and then returns information to make it look like certain commands succeeded |
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| 00:58.12 | somiaj | Pwnna: is udisks2 on the system, seems that might work too |
| 00:58.16 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/ManipulatingISOs |
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| 00:58.51 | Pwnna | yeah i'm trying to avoid relying on setuid binaries if possible. |
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| 00:59.27 | Pwnna | but i guess mount is probably the wrong level to solve this problem |
| 00:59.56 | Pwnna | does zip files have an index for quick file access? I know tar does not.. |
| 00:59.57 | BenderRodriguez | Pwnna: teach me C++ |
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| 01:06.01 | Mr_Queue | Pwnna: tar -tvf Pwnna.tar |
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| 01:06.13 | Pwnna | that's streaming through the entire tar |
| 01:06.30 | Pwnna | i can't quickly seek to the correct position based on a path |
| 01:07.02 | Pwnna | so to get a file i have to in the worst case go through the entire tarball |
| 01:07.33 | Pwnna | if i want to access a lot of files from it, it becomes number_of_files_accessed * size_of_tarball |
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| 01:08.32 | Mr_Queue | I think you'd probably want to do something like bacula for the indexes. |
| 01:08.32 | Pwnna | there's dar.. but i can't easily access manipulate each files without using the official binary/interface, unless i'm going to hook into libdar or something.. |
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| 01:10.13 | Pwnna | basically i want to access an archival file format (or fs images from dd) without having to alter my code if at all possible.. Now fuse would likely solve this but it requires root which is not ideal.. |
| 01:10.30 | Mr_Queue | and slow |
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| 01:10.50 | Pwnna | how slow |
| 01:11.27 | trouble_ | hey I broke my debian box pretty bad.. anyone know how to start fixing when you dont even have apt as an available resource? |
| 01:11.37 | Pwnna | it goes into the kernel, then to userspace, then backwards to your program, but i'd think the limiting factor is likely still IO? Unless the fused format/driver itself is inefficient (like not having an index with tar) |
| 01:11.47 | Mr_Queue | trouble_: backup from a liveCD |
| 01:12.26 | trouble_ | I was removing packages from an xterm window and it made me type "Yes do as I say!" and I was feeling invicible so did so.. no livecd here unfortunately |
| 01:12.50 | trouble_ | I do have a workable command prompt |
| 01:12.59 | trouble_ | but somehowe apt is gone |
| 01:13.04 | Mr_Queue | wget and stuff? |
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| 01:14.09 | trouble_ | wget may work.. of course its a 100+ character address with 12 subdirectories |
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| 01:14.17 | trouble_ | trying |
| 01:14.45 | Mr_Queue | I would probably just restore from a backup, you're probably going to spend a very long time putting this puzzle back together by hand. |
| 01:16.31 | trouble_ | hrmm may have lost network stack also.. in which case i'll break down and get a live cd burned on a sub stick or something |
| 01:16.47 | Mr_Queue | That's what I would do. |
| 01:16.47 | trouble_ | there is no option during boot screen eh? |
| 01:17.07 | Mr_Queue | Well a kernel for sure, but not how to use tools you removed. |
| 01:17.37 | trouble_ | wait didnt systemd remove ifconfig anyways |
| 01:18.32 | Mr_Queue | I would just liveCD it... Sync userdata off somewhere and then reinstall the OS then bring the userdata back. |
| 01:18.56 | rant | is there any simple way to make command line password dialogs echo chars, perhaps with * or something? my keyboard is messed up and until its replaced I'd like to know when typing long passwords if my keystrokes are being registered, repeated, or not |
| 01:19.02 | trouble_ | ok thanks.. i'll look into it for tomorrow |
| 01:19.39 | rant | cause typing my passwords into an editor and copy/pasting is far less secure :P |
| 01:19.52 | Mr_Queue | key it? |
| 01:20.12 | rant | that also reduces security |
| 01:20.41 | rant | my main concern with most of these things is local exploitation.. if it doesnt require a password then anyone can access it |
| 01:21.18 | Mr_Queue | Well if the get the localbox you're screwed anyhow. |
| 01:21.47 | rant | no I'm not.. you still need the 40+ char password to decrypt volumes |
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| 01:22.15 | somiaj | rant: why not use a password database like keepassx with a keyfile to open |
| 01:22.16 | rant | I just dont like having to type it 40+ times before it works |
| 01:22.45 | rant | yeah, no.. |
| 01:23.17 | rant | I want it to work the way it does.. requiring typed passwords I just would like a temp work around to know if a key is being hit twice or not at all |
| 01:23.31 | rant | gui dialogs echo, console ones dont |
| 01:23.44 | annadane | you could install siri and vocalize your passwords |
| 01:23.49 | Mr_Queue | lol |
| 01:24.33 | Mr_Queue | yodeling passwords probably isn't that secure. |
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| 01:28.29 | ryouma | rant: key click app |
| 01:28.44 | ryouma | dunno if there exists one |
| 01:29.39 | rant | that doesnt work.. already thought of that.. you can't have focus to an app to tell me what key is being pressed and the one getting the passwor |
| 01:30.39 | rant | I'll just live with it.. until I get another keyboard.. |
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| 02:21.54 | ryouma | rant: if it's any consolation, text boxes in firefox for me do not show anythign at all. black on black. i can't seem to get dark background css to work. |
| 02:22.49 | ryouma | huh. https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using seems to say i need a specific /etc/apt/sources.list for security upgrades. this can't be the case. do i really need those particular servers? |
| 02:23.10 | ryouma | as opposed to e.g. deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free |
| 02:24.28 | jim | ryouma, yeah, the security line is different from that, you can just have both of them in the same sources.list |
| 02:25.00 | ryouma | jim: i have deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:25.12 | jim | ok... |
| 02:25.20 | ryouma | wrong? |
| 02:25.21 | jim | do you run jessie? |
| 02:25.24 | ryouma | yes |
| 02:25.30 | jim | no, that looks right for jessie |
| 02:26.06 | ryouma | i will upgrade to stretch soon. i presume the upgrade manual says which servers to use. |
| 02:26.19 | jim | (note however, jessie is oldstable, and you could upgrade to stable if you want... be forewarned, upgrading like that -will- change a few things) |
| 02:26.41 | ryouma | lts says e.g. deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:26.58 | ryouma | what do you mean by like that? |
| 02:27.06 | jim | jessie (==oldstable) is still on the regular mirrors |
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| 02:27.37 | jim | making that kind of large upgrade, is what I mean |
| 02:27.46 | ryouma | isn't it the same as any dist upgrade? |
| 02:27.58 | jim | well kinda |
| 02:28.16 | ryouma | or do you mean stretch is pretty different from jessie? |
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| 02:29.14 | jim | the way I see it, you can dist-upgrade without changing your sources.list, the effect of which is to upgrade your present debian 8 to latest debian 8 |
| 02:29.41 | ryouma | um yeah i do that as needed |
| 02:29.54 | jim | and then there's the dist-upgrade where you bump your sources.list to the newer version |
| 02:30.01 | ryouma | that's what meant |
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| 02:30.20 | jim | so then yeah, it's not different from that |
| 02:30.50 | ryouma | i'd be ok with not upgrading but jessie keeps degrading, sometimes without my knowing it (e.g. chromium security support dropped without any tools telling me). and there are a couple of minor things i want from stretch. like, um, probably codecs and stuff. |
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| 02:31.54 | jim | but in -any- upgrade of that size (debian, arch, fedora, macos, windows, etc etc), things are going to change... in debian, it gives you some warnings about what's going to be different... |
| 02:31.57 | jim | and, |
| 02:32.39 | jim | when you dist-upgrade with bumping your sources.list, generally, you're about to replace all your executables and libs |
| 02:33.23 | jim | for me, the trepidation is worse than the fact, but some things do get annoying |
| 02:33.24 | RoyK | and it'll usuall work |
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| 02:33.52 | jim | RoyK, yep, in debian it hasn't ever not worked |
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| 02:34.17 | jim | and I started with debian pre-1.0 |
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| 02:35.03 | ryouma | yeah, the risk is why i have not done it yet |
| 02:35.16 | jim | is this a remote? |
| 02:35.32 | ryouma | this is what i have. can i replace jessie with stretch in this and then dist-upgrade? or does stretch want anything special for the servers? http://termbin.com/cmkz |
| 02:35.34 | ryouma | no |
| 02:35.41 | ryouma | but i am limited in computer use |
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| 02:35.57 | ryouma | things going wrong is a problem |
| 02:36.51 | ryouma | i think my backports line needs a .us in there, but otherwise i'm guessing the servers are ok. but the deb tghing in the lts page confuses me. |
| 02:37.26 | jim | I've upgraded from jessie to stretch on at least 4 machines (one a remote), and it resulted fine... |
| 02:38.05 | jim | the usual thing, you have to bring your jessie current to jessie latest before you do jessie -> stretch |
| 02:38.21 | jim | also, you should read the stretch release notes |
| 02:39.02 | ryouma | always upgrade at least once per day and did read those when they were released. |
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| 02:39.48 | jim | as long as you bring your jessie uptodate first |
| 02:39.51 | deb_desker | I run windows 10 on my desktop. I enjoy working in a debian enviroment and I think I'd like to run debian on a virtual machine. Would Hyper V be good for this? Is there a better VM/similar solution for my case? |
| 02:39.53 | jim | that's important |
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| 02:40.34 | Mr_Queue | deb_desker: No idea what Hyper V is. |
| 02:41.02 | jim | deb_desker, I've had success myself with qemu/kvm, I've heard success stories about virtual box |
| 02:41.50 | jim | deb_desker, you should be able to boot a debian netinstall image for either of those |
| 02:42.16 | jim | I've never heard of the one you mention, so I couldn't comment |
| 02:42.38 | ryouma | yes, i always dist-upgrade in the normal sense and will before the replace sense |
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| 02:44.25 | jim | ryouma, chances are pretty good (if like you say you upgrade daily like that) that you already have a jessie that's up to date, it's not eol, but I dunno if it changed after stretch was released, other than security updates |
| 02:45.47 | jim | ryouma, what does your server do? |
| 02:46.39 | Mr_Queue | reply to pings of course. |
| 02:47.05 | jim | well really I want to ask, what services does your server provide that you had to configure pretty heavily? |
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| 02:51.10 | jim | ryouma, do you have lots of space in /var? apt downloads packages to /var/cache/apt/archives before it installs them |
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| 03:09.47 | ryouma | jim: i don't serve anything |
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| 03:10.07 | ryouma | i have lots of space in ./ |
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| 03:10.17 | ryouma | / where var is |
| 03:10.47 | ryouma | i did have problems getting to jessie when i included contrib in sources.list. i ran out of my 4gb of memory. |
| 03:11.08 | ryouma | so i will remove it |
| 03:11.29 | ryouma | (i think it was jessie) |
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| 03:13.05 | mnuhmnuh | ryouma: 4gb of memory == storage/disk or RAM/memory? |
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| 03:19.06 | mnuhmnuh | ryouma: contrib in sources.list shouldn't cause any problem. it won't be used until you ask for contrib stuff, or your stuff asks for it. |
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| 03:21.08 | ryouma | ram. dunno what the deal was. |
| 03:21.28 | ryouma | i don't use anything much from contrib |
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| 03:23.33 | jim | ryouma, oh? so this box that you might upgrade isn't being a server for anything? what purpose does it serve? |
| 03:23.55 | ryouma | just general purpose |
| 03:24.20 | ryouma | seems debian is a server-oriented distro |
| 03:25.17 | jim | yeah, I'd say so... |
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| 03:25.48 | jim | so... you haven't changed it much? configured any programs or anything? |
| 03:26.18 | ryouma | not much that would affect an upgrade i think |
| 03:26.35 | jim | that's what I'm thinking too... |
| 03:26.57 | ryouma | my only concerns are non-bootability, non-x-ability, etc. for example, jessie broke when x required firmware for my video card. |
| 03:27.13 | ryouma | when i upgraded to it. took me forever to figure out that i needed firmware. |
| 03:27.14 | jim | maybe you can upgrade safely then |
| 03:27.42 | jim | does it perform any function, like gateway router or anything like that? |
| 03:27.50 | ryouma | no |
| 03:28.30 | jim | yeah, I would think you could upgrade to stretch pretty much any time |
| 03:29.00 | jim | other than bringing your debian 8 current to debian 8 latest, here's a couple things... |
| 03:29.08 | ryouma | yeah. but i find debian's initrd and grub and their interaction with debconf and so on, and x stuff, to be so complex and daunting that i want to make sure i have the right sources.list and everything done right. |
| 03:29.47 | jim | 1, you can get the packages of it without installing them, by using -d (like: apt-get -d dist-upgrade) |
| 03:30.53 | ryouma | interesting. then can i upgrade using those? that would mean faster upgrade once everything is dled right? |
| 03:30.57 | jim | 2, if the box you want to upgrade has any original material that you want to keep, you probably want to back those up... maybe they're just in your home dir |
| 03:31.35 | jim | ryouma, yes, just take the -d away, then it will install em |
| 03:31.39 | ryouma | if network breaks during upgrade then i might not have a bootable or x-able system |
| 03:31.52 | ryouma | is this compatible with upgrade manual? |
| 03:32.00 | jim | should be |
| 03:32.34 | jim | when you say "upgrade manual", what are you referring to? (juat making sure) |
| 03:34.21 | jim | aside from which, you seem to have a way to come here on a machine other than the debian one, and so, people here can step in and try to help |
| 03:34.24 | ryouma | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes |
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| 03:34.40 | jim | oh, that's the upgrade manual? |
| 03:35.22 | ryouma | part of that is |
| 03:35.33 | jim | ok |
| 03:35.48 | jim | you should definitely read that |
| 03:36.05 | ryouma | what i mean by compatible with upgrade manual is, supposedly this is all tested, so "is it compatible with known practices for jupgrading from jessie to stretch, to skip what the manual says and use -d first?" |
| 03:36.13 | ryouma | i read it when it was released |
| 03:36.37 | jim | oh, the -d thing |
| 03:37.15 | ryouma | i.e. does -d introduce any risks in this process, which presumably was worked out from at least freeze time to release time |
| 03:37.16 | jim | that just does what apt would normally do, except it stops when it's finished downloading packages |
| 03:37.33 | jim | no |
| 03:37.50 | ryouma | huh, i thought it downloaded each package when it needed it, not alla t once first before installing |
| 03:38.07 | ryouma | if it does that anyway, then i don't need it i guess |
| 03:38.14 | ryouma | -d that is |
| 03:38.16 | jim | here's why I do it: |
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| 03:39.10 | jim | sometimes I don't have time to watch it while it upgrades, but downloading packages doesn't need me watching that (it'd be like watching paint dry or grass grow) |
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| 03:40.08 | jim | so I'll start with a -d when I'm about to go to lunch, and it should be finished downloading by the time I get back |
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| 03:40.57 | jim | then I just take the -d away, and it installs what it downloaded earlier |
| 03:41.48 | jim | yeah, it calculates the entire upgrade, then downloads the packages, then installs em |
| 03:42.35 | ryouma | so i don't really need the -d then i guess, unless i want to make sure there are no issues with space first or so |
| 03:42.38 | ryouma | it soudns like |
| 03:43.07 | jim | that's true whether it's installing one or more packages which have a few dependencies, all the way up to a full upgrade of the entire system |
| 03:43.35 | jim | correct, you don't need it, unless you feel like you want to separate downloading from installing |
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| 03:44.17 | jim | what it really depends on is what you think your time scheduling is like |
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| 03:48.19 | jim | I gave one example, downloading the packages of the upgrade while at lunch |
| 03:49.27 | jim | another: you might start the package download when you're about to sleep, then when you wake up, they're there waiting |
| 03:50.33 | jim | I say this, because normally I like to watch the actual install of the packages |
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| 03:51.28 | jim | something which is -also- not required |
| 03:51.34 | jim | but you might want to |
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| 03:54.34 | ryouma | good point start early in day or use -d |
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| 03:58.19 | jim | ryouma, yeah, main point being, you have some choices as to how you want to do it |
| 03:59.57 | jim | gotta leave for a bit... talk soon |
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| 04:03.08 | Tenacious-Techhu | I'm getting this error with apt-get: "files list file for package 'nodered' contains empty filename" |
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| 04:04.15 | Tenacious-Techhu | How can I fix it? |
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| 04:13.43 | eric23 | which source are you getting nodered ? |
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| 07:11.43 | pinkos | hi |
| 07:11.56 | pinkos | is anyone running darktable on a ryzen 5 2400g cpu? |
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| 07:12.19 | pinkos | i am looking to build a system basically for darktable, gimp, and a little shotwell |
| 07:12.33 | pinkos | thats decent to start and upgradable |
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| 07:18.04 | darxmurf | I'm fighting with SMB/LDAP/KRB5. when I connect on \\myserver\ I can auth using my activdirectory login/password. Then it lists the available shares and when I try to access it, it says access denied. But this morning it was fine... |
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| 07:18.39 | darxmurf | is there something I can force in the configuration ? |
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| 07:50.45 | sgautam | I installed Debian, but I chose Cinnamon and now I want to change to XFCE |
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| 07:54.48 | Voyager82 | Hi. I've just updated my Debian Linux installation to Stretch (AMD64). I need the "libxft2:i386" to run Altera Modelsim, but doesn't seem present in the reps. Can you help me? |
| 07:55.21 | babilen | judd: v libxft2 |
| 07:55.22 | judd | Package: libxft2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.3.1-1; jessie: 2.3.2-1; stretch: 2.3.2-1+b2; buster: 2.3.2-2; sid: 2.3.2-2 |
| 07:55.31 | babilen | judd: v libxft2 --arch i386 |
| 07:55.32 | judd | Package: libxft2 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.3.1-1; jessie: 2.3.2-1; stretch: 2.3.2-1+b2; buster: 2.3.2-2; sid: 2.3.2-2 |
| 07:55.34 | themill | libxft2 exists, do you need to add i386 as an arch? |
| 07:55.35 | babilen | Should be there |
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| 07:56.16 | themill | !multiarch |
| 07:56.16 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 07:56.17 | babilen | Voyager82: Which commands did you run that convinced you that its not present? Could you paste them along with the following? |
| 07:56.26 | babilen | dpkg: bat |
| 07:56.26 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 07:56.50 | Voyager82 | I'm trying to run the command "apt-get install libxft2:i386". Altera Modelsim is 32-bit software. I need it to run it, I think. |
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| 07:58.29 | Voyager82 | https://pastebin.com/zjmpauJx |
| 07:58.45 | Voyager82 | The output is in italian. It basically says that the package does not exist. |
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| 08:06.31 | babilen | Voyager82: Take a look at multiarch (assuming you haven't configured that yet) and the other commands mentioned in the <bat> factoid above. I'll be back later |
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| 08:15.21 | asterisco | hi! is possible merge more HD in only one path in read-only mode? |
| 08:15.55 | asterisco | i've 3 external hd /dev/media0 /dev/media1 and /dev/media2 |
| 08:16.14 | asterisco | i would put all files and path in /dev/media |
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| 08:19.22 | Voyager82 | babilen, I've run "dpkg --add-architecture i386", and then "apt-get update && apt-get install libxft2:i386", and it seems to be downloading the package now. Were these the correct passages? |
| 08:22.06 | Voyager82 | Thank you. It seems to be working now. |
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| 08:30.51 | xcm | asterisco: perhaps you're looking for unionfs |
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| 09:08.40 | BCMM | xcm: isn't overlayfs or aufs the modern answer to that? |
| 09:09.33 | BCMM | overlayfs having the advantage of actually being mainlined |
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| 09:10.20 | xcm | not sure. that might show how long it's been since i last did this |
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| 09:11.11 | BCMM | asterismo_l: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Overlay_filesystem#Read-only_overlay (should work just the same on debian) |
| 09:12.22 | BCMM | xcm: as i understand it, unionfs is obsolescent, overlayfs is in the mainline kernel, aufs doesn't meet kernel standards on stuff like code readability but apparently has some features overlayfs doesn't have |
| 09:12.42 | BCMM | aufs and overlayfs should both perform much better than unionfs |
| 09:13.15 | xcm | ah, right. it was unionfs-fuse i was trying something out on |
| 09:13.50 | xcm | performance was a non issue so i didn't look into it |
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| 09:22.36 | shtrb | what module/approach I better use to put a swap on a remote tmpfs ? (used on demand only and ONLY when connected over LAN one pc have 4 GiB and a server can "give" extra 8-16 GiB just for cache) |
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| 09:33.29 | jelly | shtrb: whatever works for you, nbd, iscsi, ... |
| 09:33.46 | shtrb | I'm asking what would be better |
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| 09:35.35 | jelly | I'd use swap on zram first rather than going over network |
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| 09:40.21 | shtrb | Will zram actually give considerable benifit (only 4G total ram) |
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| 09:45.38 | jelly | if it's a workstation with a web browser running, yes |
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| 09:59.32 | kre10s | Hello. I can use setxkbmap to change the keyboard layout to korean. Typing still produces latin chars... Is there a keycombo that activates hangul lock? I am looking for an alternative to ibus. |
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| 10:40.56 | cpd8 | hello, I;m trying to install debian on a VM but it is saying the current kernel doesn't support LVM |
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| 10:45.31 | catz | I'm trying to install the latest firefox in debian testing. On the mozilla.debian page they tell me to add deb http://http.debian.net/debian unstable main to the sources.list but isn't that converting my whole debian testing into unstable? |
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| 10:46.25 | themill | !tum |
| 10:46.25 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
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| 10:50.04 | Eightynine | Hello. Is that possible to install Debian with pagefile, not swap partition? |
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| 10:52.40 | themill | Eightynine: You can certainly just skip setting up a swap partition and make a swapfile later; I don't recall if you can configure it in the installer |
| 10:53.11 | michael2 | anyone know how to install `ldconfig' command on debian? |
| 10:53.25 | RoyK | Eightynine: indeed, but if you'll need to use the swap, keep in mind the pagefile is up to 50% slower |
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| 10:53.46 | Eightynine | Will Debian work with Intel HD graphics and Realtek Wi-Fi chip out of the box? |
| 10:54.06 | RoyK | probably the wifi chip will need firmware |
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| 10:54.32 | michael2 | nvm ldconfig was installed - just not on my $PATH.. |
| 10:55.30 | RoyK | ldconfig is with libc-bin, so yes, it should be installed unless something is terribly wrong :) |
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| 10:56.49 | Eightynine | When I tried to use Debian Gnome for the first time it was laggy and graphics acceleration didn't work. System worked in software rendering mode. It was Debian 7 or 8 (I don't remember exactly) and Gnome 3.8 How Gnome works these days? |
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| 11:03.16 | themill | RoyK: is that still true? I have a vague memory that isn't the case since kernel 2.6ish |
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| 11:05.26 | dosmanak | Hi, sorry for OT, but I am intrigued with awk problem. AWK is stripping whitespace when using sub. Why? |
| 11:05.28 | RoyK | themill: from dpkg -S: libc-bin: /sbin/ldconfig |
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| 11:05.34 | dosmanak | echo " starting with whitespace field" |awk '{sub("field", "test", $4)}{print $0}' |
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| 11:05.47 | themill | RoyK: sorry, I meant about swapfiles, not ldconfig |
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| 11:06.49 | RoyK | themill: I did some testing a year back, and it showed significantly slower swap on file than on partition - I thought it should be about the same with O_DIRECT and all |
| 11:07.17 | themill | thanks |
| 11:07.29 | Eightynine | Which kernel version installed by default? |
| 11:07.43 | themill | ,kernels --release stretch |
| 11:07.44 | judd | Available kernel versions are: stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1) |
| 11:08.29 | Eightynine | Is that possible to install newer kernel? |
| 11:08.35 | RoyK | there are newer ones in backports, but normally it wouldn't be needed |
| 11:08.42 | RoyK | !backports |
| 11:08.42 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 11:08.57 | RoyK | ,kernels |
| 11:08.58 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.16-1); buster: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.12-1); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.16.12-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
| 11:08.59 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 11:09.17 | Eightynine | Always was wondering why Debian comes with older packages. Stability? |
| 11:09.24 | RoyK | yes |
| 11:10.05 | RoyK | Eightynine: you can use Sid if you want to live on the bleeding edge, though |
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| 11:10.37 | Eightynine | Is that possible to add non-free repositories without editing sources.list file? Can I select XFS instead of EXT4 or it's not recommended? |
| 11:10.39 | hop | my "persistent network interfaces names" are in the wrong order, compared to what's printed on the port. what's the canonical way to reorder them? |
| 11:11.15 | RoyK | Eightynine: add a file under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ with the repo |
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| 11:12.08 | RoyK | Eightynine: personally, I use XFS for everything that's big and ext4 for the root and similar. RHEL/CentOS has, since v7, standardised on XFS |
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| 11:13.09 | Eightynine | Is that correct to choose "Automatic partitioning" or it's better to create partitions manually? |
| 11:13.32 | RoyK | that depends how well you know what you're doing |
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| 11:16.59 | Eightynine | By the way Debian site is not user friendly. Needs some enhancements to make it easier to find ISOs to download. |
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| 11:18.09 | RoyK | Eightynine: erm - it's on the frontpage |
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| 11:19.55 | Eightynine | Yes, but there's netinstaller. Can you please give me a link to torrent download? I need LiveCD with Gnome. |
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| 11:21.56 | Billy2 | its on the front page.. |
| 11:22.12 | Billy2 | "CD/USB ISO Images" |
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| 11:29.05 | BCMM | Eightynine: if you don't know what you want wrt partitioning, automatic is for you :) |
| 11:29.41 | BCMM | Eightynine: and there is a link that says "Getting Debian" at the top of every page on the site |
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| 11:30.56 | Eightynine | Which DE most people use here? |
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| 11:32.54 | BCMM | Eightynine: personally, i use kde plasma 5. no idea what the majority is. |
| 11:32.57 | V7 | RoyK: ? |
| 11:33.25 | V7 | Who's standardised ?! |
| 11:34.50 | BCMM | Eightynine: for your live cd, click "getting debian", then look to the right of the page |
| 11:34.58 | BCMM | where it says "try debian live before installing" |
| 11:35.32 | BCMM | Eightynine: or just https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/debian-live-9.4.0-amd64-gnome.iso.torrent |
| 11:35.34 | RoyK | V7: centos/rhel uses xfs by default now |
| 11:36.10 | Eightynine | BCMM for some reason when I open Discover it shows me network connection error in the beginning. I don't like KDE. Those effects, blur, jumping cursor when openning files, open with one click. |
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| 11:36.54 | BCMM | i have no idea what jumping cursor when opening files is, the rest can be turned off |
| 11:37.13 | BCMM | (but i'm not aware of any blur effects that are enabled by default anyway...) |
| 11:37.25 | BCMM | oh except on the lockscreen i think? |
| 11:37.58 | RoyK | both ext4 and xfs work well, but on large filesystems, xfs is a lot better. It can grow over 16TiB without issues and a check/repair doesn't take so long when it's needed. With ext4 and a 20TiB filesystem, it may take several hours |
| 11:38.18 | Eightynine | BCMM if I remember correctly that option is called "feedback". I said incorrect, it's not jumping cursor it's jumping icon near cursor. |
| 11:38.29 | BCMM | oh yeah that |
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| 11:39.01 | BCMM | oh god does it really *still* bounce by default? that used to be the first thing i turned off back in kde3 or something |
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| 11:43.05 | Eightynine | BCMM I don't remember I'm currently using Windows 10. Trying to switch to Linux because of privacy concerns and because I'm tired of Windows 10. |
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| 11:46.49 | kl4200 | new stretch/gnome install. bareftp throws exception "GLib.GException: Icon 'gtk-go-up' not present in theme |
| 11:46.49 | kl4200 | " can someone direct me to the proper place to report this? |
| 11:47.50 | Fox | kl4200: did you try #gnome ? |
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| 11:49.02 | kl4200 | no. that channel should be called #useless |
| 11:49.25 | Fox | ok :) |
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| 11:52.36 | Fox | kl4200: what theme is it ? the default one ? |
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| 11:56.59 | abrotman | how did you install bareftp? |
| 11:57.21 | abrotman | well, also, how did you install ghome |
| 11:57.25 | abrotman | gnome |
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| 12:08.05 | Craig_ | hi, in my debian 9 install, something has changed SIGINT to CTRL-E rather than CTRL-C. i fixed it by putting "stty intr ^C" into the bottom of my bashrc... but i have no idea what caused it or how to fix the root issue. |
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| 12:08.29 | Craig_ | has something changed? it used to work then stopped working at some point after some apt-get upgrade's, but i cant remember which update or when |
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| 12:28.19 | V7 | BCMM: All of that stuff disables as peace of cake |
| 12:28.34 | V7 | s/peace/piece/ |
| 12:28.45 | V7 | needs a sleep |
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| 13:16.47 | hop | my "persistent network interfaces names" are in the wrong order, compared to what's printed on the port. what's the canonical way to reorder them? |
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| 13:31.19 | simon22 | Where should I set system wide env variables? |
| 13:31.23 | simon22 | in this case the proxy |
| 13:33.11 | jelly | simon22: /etc/environment for users that log in interactively and their shells |
| 13:33.29 | jelly | man pam_env |
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| 13:35.15 | hehsec | Who wants a good laugh? |
| 13:35.24 | hehsec | This just popped up in my auth.log |
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| 13:35.27 | hehsec | Jun 21 13:01:48 ubuntu sshd[9156]: Connection closed by invalid user hacker 112.2.4.77 port 41497 [preauth] |
| 13:35.33 | hehsec | >hacker |
| 13:35.44 | hehsec | That gave me a good giggle |
| 13:36.11 | greycat | you know what's not making me giggle? "ubuntu" |
| 13:36.17 | simon22 | hm... |
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| 13:36.25 | jelly | points hehsec to #debian-offtopic |
| 13:36.42 | simon22 | hehsec: should you log that? what if somebody accidentally puts their password in the username field? |
| 13:36.45 | jelly | greycat: that just makes the giggle more giggly |
| 13:36.57 | simon22 | I thought usernames aren't logged by default if they are not valid local users... |
| 13:37.32 | hehsec | greycat: Hey, this machine runs debian guests |
| 13:37.35 | hehsec | :p |
| 13:39.09 | hehsec | Realistically I should switch it to being a debian host |
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| 13:53.46 | vandman | Hi my question is about mysql. I am trying to create a new database in /data and start the service with then new database. |
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| 13:54.46 | vandman | I did : /usr/bin/mysql_install_db --no-defaults --datadir=/data/csu/mysql/base --basedir=/usr --user=mysql_csu --rpm |
| 13:54.59 | vandman | It create the new database as requested. |
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| 13:55.25 | vandman | When I try to start the service, It does not work |
| 13:55.55 | vandman | here is the init file: https://pastebin.com/y38EtZff |
| 13:56.12 | vandman | here is the my.cnf file: https://pastebin.com/Dxczr3Td |
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| 13:57.26 | vandman | why does the service not start? |
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| 14:01.01 | hop | now i can ping the ip on an interface that is "state DOWN" with no cable connected. what is this madness? |
| 14:01.42 | dosmanak | vandman: Aren't you using systemd? Is the init script really used? |
| 14:01.50 | dgp | hop: from the same machine? |
| 14:02.00 | vandman | on debian 8 yes |
| 14:02.02 | hop | dgp: sure |
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| 14:02.26 | hop | i'm not sure whether this was also the case before i tried reordering the interface names |
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| 14:02.53 | dgp | hop: my guess is if the ip address local to the machine the kernel just replies and doesn't go any further down to check if the interface is up etc |
| 14:03.05 | hop | dgp: oh, that kind of same |
| 14:03.11 | hop | dgp: no, over the network |
| 14:03.27 | hop | dgp: two pings from the same but remote machine |
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| 14:05.23 | vandman | the systemd service call the init file => ExecStart=/etc/init.d/mysql start |
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| 14:05.39 | greycat | cries |
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| 14:06.33 | hop | have i been completely misunderstanding networking for the past 20 years? |
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| 14:07.01 | AliceKelly | how so |
| 14:08.00 | hop | i can ping an ip on an interface that is down on a port that has no cable plugged in |
| 14:08.25 | AliceKelly | what ip ? |
| 14:08.41 | jelly | hop: you might have a route to that ip via some other, working interface |
| 14:08.59 | hop | no ip forwarding, no iptables rules whatsoever |
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| 14:09.16 | hop | ip route output: 10.9.1.0/24 dev eno2 proto kernel scope link src 10.9.1.200 linkdown |
| 14:09.19 | AliceKelly | it was assigned an ip by something |
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| 14:09.30 | hop | AliceKelly: of course. by me |
| 14:09.42 | jelly | hop: show the full output of "ip a" and "ip r" and your destinatipn ip in a pastebin if you will |
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| 14:09.59 | jelly | !paste |
| 14:09.59 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:10.00 | Eightynine | I downloaded Debian Gnome LiveCD, formated my flash drive and burned ISO. Then I tried to boot it and it booted successfuly. But when I tried to connect to Wi-Fi it kept faing and hanging. I tried to connect my phone and it didn't detect it. Then I tried to turn my PC off and it showed me "A stop job is running". Now I can't turn my PC off. |
| 14:10.20 | hop | jelly: i'm on it, but it's not so easy. kind of air gapped right now |
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| 14:10.32 | bb36e | Eightynine: how long has it been waiting? |
| 14:10.51 | jelly | hop: phone camera screen shot and upload to an image share site, like imgur? |
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| 14:11.03 | jelly | !firmware live |
| 14:11.03 | dpkg | Unofficial <live> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for Debian 9 "Stretch" as a live OS are available at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ . See also <firmware images>. |
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| 14:11.16 | AliceKelly | kill -9 -1 as su and ctrl alt del |
| 14:11.18 | Eightynine | First it showed me 1.30 minutes and then I saw 2/2 more than 4 minutes. |
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| 14:11.41 | jelly | Eightynine: wireless cards usually require firmware that is not present on Debian by default, see if unofficial images with fw make things better |
| 14:12.04 | jelly | Eightynine: you're on live, nothing is writing to disk so just press the reset button |
| 14:12.04 | AliceKelly | damn jelly, wish id known that a month ago |
| 14:12.32 | jelly | ... and then turn it off if that's your goal |
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| 14:12.55 | Eightynine | I thought about firmware but why did it detect my Wi-Fi adapter out of the box but failed to connect? |
| 14:12.55 | AliceKelly | what jelly said |
| 14:12.56 | hop | jelly: http://dpaste.com/20SY6ZY |
| 14:13.05 | hop | i'm pinging both ips in parallel |
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| 14:13.25 | AliceKelly | Eightynine, mine does that oo. |
| 14:13.29 | hop | cable in "eno1" (which should really be eno2) |
| 14:13.33 | jelly | hop: so you have two wired cards on the same 10.9.1.0/24 network |
| 14:13.50 | AliceKelly | is because the firmware isnt included unless you get the right iso |
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| 14:14.05 | hop | jelly: one card, two ports, but no. how can i have two cards on the same network if there is only one cable? |
| 14:14.32 | jelly | hop: I don't know, YOU configured it that way |
| 14:14.59 | Eightynine | Alice how does Debian work for you? It worked fast first and then began to lag and hang. |
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| 14:15.46 | AliceKelly | Eightynine, here are quirks but they can be worked hrough fairly easily |
| 14:15.49 | hop | jelly: set me straight. i have configured an ip address on a nic. maybe i shouldn't have, but there it is. i have _no_ cable plugged into that nic. it is shown as down. how can i ping from remote? |
| 14:16.10 | AliceKelly | Eightynine, i changed my swappiness to 80 |
| 14:16.41 | vandman | can anybody help me (question above)? |
| 14:16.48 | AliceKelly | Eightynine, but then im running a 1.6 ghz cpu and 1 gig ram so i expect a little slow |
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| 14:17.15 | Eightynine | Second attempt to switch to Debian failed for me. |
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| 14:17.31 | hop | jelly: oh, also: if i plug the cable into the other port, no ping |
| 14:18.12 | AliceKelly | Eightynine, your using a live dvd right |
| 14:18.48 | Eightynine | Yes, a flash drive. |
| 14:19.55 | jelly | hop: you can ping because the kernel accepts packets for that destination IP, and eno1 is configured to pass through traffic for that IP by default, and there's a way to route traffic back as well |
| 14:20.26 | AliceKelly | Eightynine, i had huge issues with live dvd boot too. i downloaded the net install of stretch (because im a duface and didnt know there were unofficial iso's with the firmware) but i insalled over a cable then added the firmware |
| 14:20.29 | hop | jelly: ok. how is eno1 configured to pass through traffic? |
| 14:20.34 | jelly | hop: you might as well have no eno0 at all and have the IP configured on lo (loopback) device, it would still work |
| 14:20.43 | hop | jelly: i have no eno0 |
| 14:20.50 | Chris_A | Hi. I installed Debian 9 and was wondering what is the best way to allow a domain admins to mount. would using sudo be the best way? |
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| 14:21.01 | AliceKelly | Eightynine, you cant add the firmware to the live versions. soon as you reboot its erased |
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| 14:21.05 | jelly | sorry, you might have no eno2 at all |
| 14:21.15 | hop | jelly: ok. |
| 14:21.34 | jelly | hop: Linux kernel by default accepts traffic for ANY of its IP addresses on ANY of its interfaces |
| 14:21.51 | hop | that is new to me |
| 14:21.59 | dutchfish | vandman, this procedure would work in Debian too https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-change-a-mysql-data-directory-to-a-new-location-on-centos-7 |
| 14:22.09 | dutchfish | vandman, mind the systemd phrases |
| 14:22.10 | Eightynine | Why did it detect but couldn't connect? |
| 14:22.40 | AliceKelly | Eightynine, because the driver is in the kernel, but the firmware isnt |
| 14:22.47 | dutchfish | vandman, default path's may differ |
| 14:23.24 | AliceKelly | Eightynine, if you do a real install and pop back here ill help you install the firmware |
| 14:23.37 | AliceKelly | its real easy |
| 14:23.58 | dutchfish | vandman, and datadir is all that is needed to be changed in my.cnf |
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| 14:24.11 | Eightynine | Now it's clear. And why does Gnome keep freezing? |
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| 14:24.52 | jelly | hop: in any case, you have two routes for 10.9.1.0/24 so there's a way for the traffic to go back |
| 14:25.18 | AliceKelly | i don like gnome so havent used it. but theres a dozzen reasons like wrong video driver and using 3d |
| 14:25.18 | hop | jelly: but why is it not symmetrical? |
| 14:26.02 | AliceKelly | on my system all x freezes untill i install the ati firmware |
| 14:26.08 | jelly | hop: what is not symmetrical? |
| 14:26.20 | hop | jelly: if i switch the cable to the other port, no ping |
| 14:26.36 | jelly | hop: I don't know, what are you really trying to achieve? |
| 14:27.12 | hop | jelly: haha. what i _really_ am trying to achieve is to reorder the device names, because they don't match what's printed on the card |
| 14:27.35 | hop | jelly: hours later am just reduced to trying to understand what's happening |
| 14:27.56 | AliceKelly | Eightynine, basically yoou get your install to hard drive done. then a few commands and wham up n running |
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| 14:28.06 | greycat | Turn off "predictable interface names". Let it go back to legacy eth1 eth2 etc. Then edit the file in /etc/udev/whatever to change the names to what you want. Done. |
| 14:28.08 | vandman | What is difficult in my case is that I need to put everything in /data. my.cnf is in /data/csu/mysql/param. the user that owns /data/csu/mysql is not mysql but mysql_csu. |
| 14:28.33 | Eightynine | Alice do you use KDE? |
| 14:28.40 | dutchfish | vandman, no, my.cnf lives in /etc/... |
| 14:29.01 | AliceKelly | Eightynine, im using xcfe. its lighter on my old video card |
| 14:29.33 | AliceKelly | Eightynine, but still feature ritch |
| 14:29.48 | dutchfish | vandman, you could change settings in systemd, but i would not recommend that |
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| 14:30.08 | dutchfish | (for mysql service) |
| 14:30.09 | AliceKelly | Eightynine, plasma kde gnome some others really hammered my system |
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| 14:30.42 | vandman | <dutchfish> vandman, you could change settings in systemd, but i would not recommend that? what do you mean? |
| 14:31.18 | dutchfish | vandman, well, since systemd controls the mysql service (start, stop and runtime behaviour) |
| 14:31.21 | AliceKelly | Eightynine, i highly recomend the net install iso |
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| 14:31.55 | dutchfish | vandman, are we talking Debian stable? |
| 14:32.06 | vandman | Debian 8 |
| 14:32.21 | dutchfish | vandman, then yes |
| 14:32.32 | Eightynine | I have firmware on my second flash drive but Gnome Software can't install it. |
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| 14:33.08 | AliceKelly | Eightynine, you need to do it from apt |
| 14:33.28 | dutchfish | vandman, there is a good reason (security) why all the service configuration is done in /etc |
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| 14:34.35 | Eightynine | What is recommended software to create bootable flash drive under Windows? |
| 14:35.10 | dutchfish | vandman, from a users perspective i can understand (backup) why you want the data to live in a chosen dir. |
| 14:35.16 | AliceKelly | wintousb or rufus |
| 14:35.26 | bb36e | Rufus works for me |
| 14:35.37 | dutchfish | vandman, but dont do that for service config |
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| 14:36.32 | vandman | I have already added a service called csu-mysql.service like this: https://pastebin.com/84pcwm0v |
| 14:37.04 | AliceKelly | Eightynine, i would do dmesg | less and find the line where the firmware fails to load so you know which one you need |
| 14:37.18 | Eightynine | Thank you. I used Image Writer this time it failed first and then I clicked Erase and then Write and it wrote files on that drive. Maybe I shouldn't do that. |
| 14:37.40 | hop | jelly: i somehow still don't believe your explanation. same phenomenon with two different subnets. one of which has _no_ route whatsoever |
| 14:39.22 | dutchfish | vandman, i am not sure, but that doesnt state were your mysql service starts looking for its config files |
| 14:39.28 | AliceKelly | after that you edit your /etc/apt/sources.list adding contrib non free on the firs tline and save. then apt-get update and apt-get install myfirmwarename |
| 14:39.31 | vandman | I need to be able to use multiple mysql on the same server (with defferent port and service and conf) |
| 14:39.47 | vandman | It is a way to isolate each mysql. |
| 14:40.42 | dutchfish | vandman, i understand, but consider /etc still as your config path (for security reasons) for all the instances you want. |
| 14:40.42 | AliceKelly | Eightynine, then reboot and the system does the rest |
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| 14:41.22 | AliceKelly | greycat, see i know how to do at least one thing semi right |
| 14:41.43 | vandman | I can, my work want separated context for each mysql |
| 14:41.51 | Eightynine | Booted to Windows again to rewrite flash drive using Rufus. |
| 14:41.52 | dutchfish | vandman, fair enough |
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| 14:42.44 | dutchfish | vandman, you have to create your own (multiple systemd stansas), there is no harm in that |
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| 14:43.22 | AliceKelly | Eightynine, heres instrucions on how to get your firmware |
| 14:43.27 | AliceKelly | <Eightynine> Booted to Windows again to rewrite flash drive using Rufus. |
| 14:43.49 | dutchfish | vandman, tip: /usr/sbin/mysqld --help --verbose |
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| 14:44.54 | dutchfish | vandman, there (at the top of my head) 4 things you have to take care of; config path is one of them. |
| 14:45.17 | vandman | I think I have done that already. created a modified mysql init, mysql.service, debian-start, debian.cnf, my.cnf |
| 14:46.20 | dutchfish | vandman, ok, then you startup logs will scream some things you have missed (also carefully look at typos) |
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| 14:47.03 | dutchfish | vandman, file rights are also a common culprit |
| 14:47.37 | hop | disabled predictable device names completely, now it gets even better: the order is correct |
| 14:47.50 | hop | i really, really try to work with systemd |
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| 14:47.58 | hop | doesn't make it easy |
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| 14:49.49 | dutchfish | vandman, but i cant stress enough to let all your config live in /etc; think about the next update ....... |
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| 14:50.17 | greycat | hop: the order is chosen one time at random, and it *happened* to be "correct" because the coin landed Heads. So you got lucky and didn't have to edit the file to swap them. |
| 14:50.31 | greycat | hop: but now that it's been chosen, it'll stay that way, because it's recorded in that file. |
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| 14:51.28 | hop | greycat: no, i know. i tried to convey the irony that "trying to do the right thing" is a futile exercise and only boud to annoy the pig |
| 14:51.58 | vandman | logs are https://pastebin.com/hsRTZ2EZ. it just tells me it can't connect to the server. |
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| 14:52.15 | greycat | The right thing would have been not to write "1" and "2" on the hardware until after they'd been assigned. |
| 14:52.26 | Eightynine | dmesg: read kernel buffer failed. Operation not mermitted |
| 14:52.28 | hop | greycat: it is stamped in the metal |
| 14:52.32 | Eightynine | permitted |
| 14:52.46 | hop | greycat: also, isn't it supposed to get the right values from the firmware? |
| 14:53.44 | Eightynine | Direct firmware load failed with error -2 |
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| 14:53.56 | dutchfish | vandman, i suspect it could be refusing to use my.cnf on that location ... (not sure) |
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| 14:54.49 | dutchfish | vandman, you can extend verbosity for the logging to let it blurb out more |
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| 14:55.09 | dutchfish | (debug mode) |
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| 14:57.42 | dutchfish | vandman, https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/debugging-server.html |
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| 14:59.57 | vandman | When I run the command manually, i get: mysqld_safe mysqld from pid file /data/csu/mysql/tmp/mysql.pid ended |
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| 15:00.28 | dutchfish | vandman, https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/mysqld.html |
| 15:01.38 | dutchfish | vandman, and check it with mysqld --no-defaults (then it skips my.cnf) |
| 15:02.32 | dutchfish | see my former link |
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| 15:04.44 | dutchfish | vandman, also be aware of stale pid's |
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| 15:09.50 | vandman | here (https://pastebin.com/Cu5Jigwj) is the answer of mysqld --defaults-file=/data/csu/mysql/param/my.cnf --verbose --help |
| 15:10.01 | vandman | Everything looks good? |
| 15:10.51 | dutchfish | vandman, read line 4 and the lines after |
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| 15:11.52 | dutchfish | vandman, because you changed the user of of that service, it is no longer able to acces that dir |
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| 15:12.33 | vandman | how can I create that dir in data? |
| 15:13.02 | dutchfish | vandman, there is a much better solution to your problem, run each instance in a separate vm (i know this comes at a resource cost) |
| 15:13.24 | dutchfish | vandman, you can, but you shouldnt |
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| 15:15.11 | dutchfish | vandman, either use the default user for all your instances (the default one preferable) and do security at the access level or do process separation by separate vm's (that is my humble opinion) |
| 15:16.14 | dutchfish | vandman, after all, mysql has a finegrained acces level control on its own |
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| 15:17.05 | dutchfish | vandman, also think maintainability, like backup and updates |
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| 15:18.08 | dutchfish | vandman, good luck |
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| 15:31.39 | hop | in summary: spirit crushed, questions unanswered, systemd disabled, time wasted |
| 15:31.49 | hop | thanks to all who tried to help, anyway! |
| 15:32.00 | greycat | confused |
| 15:32.15 | hop | greycat: how so? |
| 15:32.26 | greycat | I thought you solved the issue by disabling predictable interface names. |
| 15:32.27 | dutchfish | vandman, if you are still on this path please read this https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/multiple-servers.html |
| 15:32.54 | hop | greycat: 'xactly. which was not the goal. |
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| 15:48.58 | vandman | <dutchfish> I have done all the things on the multiple-servers.html |
| 15:49.10 | vandman | now I have different error: |
| 15:49.55 | vandman | [ERROR] Can't find messagefile '/usr/share/mysql/english/errmsg.sys' |
| 15:50.16 | vandman | This file exist and is readable by everybody |
| 15:50.27 | dutchfish | vandman, that could be a locale problem |
| 15:50.28 | greycat | chrooted? |
| 15:51.36 | vandman | yes |
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| 15:58.42 | vandman | not anymore chrooted. same error. |
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| 16:39.49 | Psi-Jack | What -O level are most Debian apps compiled with, officially? |
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| 16:46.33 | jelly | that really depends on the compiler used |
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| 16:48.31 | dutchfish | Psi-Jack, because all the options, you can look it up in the respective build logs of each package to get an idea. |
| 16:49.45 | jelly | Psi-Jack: that said, if no customization is applied anywhere, if the source is C, if gcc is used, you're going to end up with -O2 by default |
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| 16:50.02 | jelly | that's what dpkg-buildflags(1) says |
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| 16:53.16 | Psi-Jack | Ok |
| 16:53.20 | Psi-Jack | Thanks |
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| 17:11.06 | Eightynine | I started Debian graphics installer and it stuck at detecting network card. |
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| 17:11.54 | somiaj | Eightynine: Just to double check some things, what debian installer image are you using and how did you copy this to a usb I'm assuming. |
| 17:12.03 | somiaj | and is this a wifi device or wired device |
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| 17:15.56 | jfloren | debconf question: is there a way to access files within the package while the 'config' script is running? |
| 17:16.30 | somiaj | this sounds like an XY problem, what is your actual goal? |
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| 17:16.45 | Eightynine | First I downloaded Debian LiveUSB with Gnome and burned it to a flash drive using Rosa Image Writer. LiveCD worked bad, couldn't connect to Wi-Fi and kept freezing. Then I cleaned my flash drive and wrote the same ISO using Rufus this time. Still couldnt't connect but now without freezes. I connected my cable and tried to install Debian using graphics installer and it stuck on detecting network card. |
| 17:17.00 | jfloren | somiaj: display the contents of a license file during the config stage |
| 17:17.14 | somiaj | Eightynine: that is most likely your issue to start wiht. The debian images do not play nicely with any image writter software |
| 17:17.20 | somiaj | Eightynine: what os are you making the live image from? |
| 17:17.51 | Eightynine | Windows 10. What should I do? |
| 17:18.02 | somiaj | jfloren: once it is unpacked, check /usr/share/doc/packagename/copyright |
| 17:18.10 | somiaj | !win32diskimager |
| 17:18.10 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 17:18.37 | jfloren | somiaj: that's file won't be there until after the 'config' script runs, right? |
| 17:18.42 | somiaj | Eightynine: ^^ -- the debian images are already bootable and don't need any help. Often times image writers will managle the usb images and make them break in strange ways |
| 17:18.47 | somiaj | Eightynine: also is this wifi or wired network. |
| 17:19.03 | somiaj | jfloren: I thought it was put there during the unpacking, which is before the config stage, not positive though. |
| 17:19.17 | jfloren | I guess I'll just try it and see |
| 17:19.59 | Eightynine | I tried Wi-Fi first and then cable. I told already. |
| 17:20.40 | somiaj | Eightynine: most wifi requires non-free firmware, if using a net install, there are unoffical images that contain the non-free firmware |
| 17:20.43 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 17:20.43 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 17:21.20 | Eightynine | I've read somewhere that Rufus breaks ISOs when writing. Is there manual on Debian site about making bootable flash? I didn't found it. |
| 17:21.53 | greycat | !install guide |
| 17:21.53 | dpkg | stretch installation guide is, like, The Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <stretch release notes>. |
| 17:22.17 | somiaj | Eightynine: the install guide as greycat linked as all this info. |
| 17:22.20 | greycat | Installation media chapter: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch02s04.html.en |
| 17:22.49 | greycat | which then links to chapter 4, etc. |
| 17:22.51 | somiaj | though from windows the suggested software is win32diskimager, that seems to make a direct copy and not do some funky modifications to the image to make it bootable. |
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| 17:24.40 | Eightynine | Thank you. I will try that. |
| 17:25.00 | somiaj | and if using wifi the firmware images can help |
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| 17:30.35 | Eightynine | Will it clean my flash drive before writing ISO? |
| 17:30.57 | greycat | It will overwrite everything. |
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| 17:35.43 | Eightynine | Thank you for helping me guys. |
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| 17:38.27 | Eightynine | Select "All files in one partition"? |
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| 17:39.19 | greycat | Do whatever the install guide says to do on Windows, because none of us uses Windows or knows anything about it. |
| 17:39.56 | somiaj | that sounds like the guided partition step of the debian installer. I prefer to have a sperate /home, but that is suggetsted as easiest for new users |
| 17:42.31 | greycat | Oh, he's asking about partitioning during the install? I do manual partitioning, always. |
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| 17:45.11 | Eightynine | Yes greycat. Which partitions should I create? |
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| 17:48.05 | FightingFalcon | is there a command which lists the packages that YOU install manually? |
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| 17:52.01 | greycat | at some point I should learn how to use the aptitude search options, but the fact that they're not only not in the man page, but not even INSTALLED (apt-doc is a separate package) is a huge hurdle for lazy cats |
| 17:52.28 | somiaj | I always use the web to search them |
| 17:52.30 | FightingFalcon | Are you talking to me? |
| 17:52.43 | greycat | Not directly to you, but talking about your question. |
| 17:52.52 | somiaj | FightingFalcon: greycat is talking about this https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html |
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| 17:53.34 | FightingFalcon | you dont call me lazy a cat ok? |
| 17:53.48 | greycat | If I were talking about you, I would have said lazy falcon. |
| 17:54.03 | FightingFalcon | you are an asshole, you know |
| 17:54.10 | somiaj | so aptitude search ~M shows automatic installed, so maybe aptitude search '~i!M' is what you want |
| 17:54.14 | greycat | I was talking about myself, you idiot. |
| 17:54.19 | greycat | "cat" |
| 17:54.23 | FightingFalcon | shut up, you are ignored now |
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| 18:45.27 | Eightynine | My suggestions on how to make Debian better: serious installer speed up. When installing with native languages install only native language and English. An option to toggle "Enable/Disable non-free". Some beautiful walpaper pack (nature, animals, cities). If firmwares are not installed and when user tries to connect to Wi-Fi throw a message: "Unabl |
| 18:45.28 | Eightynine | e to connect network. This requires firmware which is not installed or broken. Do you want to install it?" Currently there's no such message. It just fails to connect without any reasons. |
| 18:46.25 | greycat | It shouldn't offer to install the firmware because it won't be able to do that. |
| 18:46.34 | greycat | Providing more information, though, that's fine. |
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| 18:48.47 | imMute | so dpkg-shlibdeps is used as part of the debhelper build system, but when checking my own shared library it's throwing warnings about symbols from other libraries that mine uses, saying "found in none of the libraries". why is it throwing that warning? |
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| 18:49.38 | no_gravity | How do I know if my CPUs are running at full speed or if the lowered the clockrate because they are getting to hot? |
| 18:50.27 | Eightynine | For some reason when I tried to update packages it locked DB. I have to type "dpkg --configure -a" |
| 18:50.50 | greycat | Sounds like a testing/unstable thing. |
| 18:51.07 | Eightynine | That's strange. I'm using stable. |
| 18:53.30 | plasmoduck | For some reason my .service file wont work |
| 18:54.00 | plasmoduck | its not running the script on boot |
| 18:54.05 | plasmoduck | here is the .service file |
| 18:54.36 | plasmoduck | http://paste.debian.net |
| 18:54.56 | plasmoduck | it's supposed to call the script |
| 18:55.14 | plasmoduck | http://paste.debian.net/1030240/ |
| 18:55.57 | bites | systemctl enable is not meant to be in the unit file. |
| 18:56.14 | bites | you create the file, then run systemctl enable <name of unit> |
| 18:56.21 | plasmoduck | Okay ill take that out |
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| 18:56.52 | bites | after you modify the unit run systemctl daemon-reload |
| 18:56.55 | jim | Eightynine, did dpkg --configure -a do anything? |
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| 18:58.07 | Eightynine | jim Yes. It helped. |
| 18:58.07 | bites | plasmoduck: also the type should be oneshot if that script is meant to run once and return. |
| 18:59.00 | bites | plasmoduck: and without the Restart= |
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| 19:00.38 | Eightynine | Can I install Telegram? |
| 19:01.18 | jim | Eightynine, ok, in that case, it configured some packages that weren't configured yet (did you know, that installing a debian package has two phases, "unpacking" and "configuring"?) |
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| 19:03.15 | Eightynine | Yes, always noticed it in Ubuntu, which is Debian based as you know. |
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| 19:54.34 | Eightynine | How can I create text file? |
| 19:55.07 | greycat | Usually with a text editor. |
| 19:55.15 | greycat | nano, if you don't know any others |
| 19:56.17 | Eightynine | I tried to create 20-intel.conf neither gedit nor nano couldn't save it though I opened them from su. |
| 19:56.38 | greycat | gedit is graphical, right? That makes it completely useless. Pretend it never existed. |
| 19:57.06 | greycat | If you run "su" in a terminal, and supply the password, then your shell prompt changes to end with "# " as a reminder that you are now root IN THAT TERMINAL only. You can use nano in that terminal, and it will run with root (UID 0) privs. |
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| 20:31.53 | Eightynine | I tried to create 20-intel.conf to enable graphics acceleration and after creating it Gnome crashed and now fails to start. Even deleting file didn't help. How to fix that? |
| 20:32.03 | mnuhmnuh | looks to me Eightynin... su'd to root, then used gedit and nano to create 20-intel.conf, and couldn't figure out how to save the file. sad. |
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| 20:32.52 | Eightynine | I created it on desktop and copied it to xorg.conf.d |
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| 20:33.16 | greycat | I guess that works if you can't manage to learn nano. |
| 20:33.45 | Eightynine | nano always worked for me but not in this case. |
| 20:34.11 | greycat | Now the real questions: what video chipset do you have, did you install the non-free firmware for it, what problem are you trying to solve, what did you put into this xorg.conf.d/ file, and why did you believe this would solve your problem? |
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| 20:35.45 | Eightynine | Intel HD530. I have Intel965 and xorg-intel driver. Trying to enable TearFree option. |
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| 20:36.41 | greycat | xorg-intel?? |
| 20:37.08 | greycat | what do you get from (as root): dmesg | grep -i firmware |
| 20:38.13 | greycat | Two google results for HD530 both say this is a Skylake thing, so you should be installing the non-free firmware and using the default KMS driver. |
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| 20:38.58 | greycat | Package firmware-misc-nonfree and you might as well throw in intel-microcode while you're at it. |
| 20:39.40 | somiaj | and if by xorg-intel you mean xserver-xorg-video-intel, you don't want that package, most likely you want the modesetting driver (which is default in xorg and not a seperate package) |
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| 20:40.00 | greycat | KMS = Kernel Mode Setting driver, the default for intel chipsets of this era |
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| 20:40.26 | somiaj | wasn't sure if greycat meant the i915 kms driver of the xorg modesetting video driver. |
| 20:40.39 | somiaj | well i915 module |
| 20:41.12 | greycat | If it's really a skylake, then definitely you want the xorg log to say "modeset(0)" a lot. |
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| 20:43.13 | Eightynine | Greycat again you helped me. i915 firmware is not installed. |
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| 20:45.36 | Eightynine | intel-microcode failed to install because of broken dependancies. |
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| 20:46.18 | greycat | ... I won't even ask. |
| 20:46.30 | greycat | !frankendebian |
| 20:46.30 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
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| 20:49.18 | Eightynine | Why reinstall? This is fresh Debian Gnome installation. |
| 20:49.33 | annadane | !bat |
| 20:49.33 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 20:50.44 | greycat | intel-microcode only has ONE depends (iucode-tool), and that only has ONE depends (libc6 >= 2.14) |
| 20:50.59 | annadane | oh. |
| 20:51.01 | greycat | It's hard to imagine how you could screw this up unless you mixed testing/non-Debian sources at some point. |
| 20:51.05 | annadane | =/ |
| 20:52.03 | Eightynine | I have only nonfree enabled. No testing/unstable/sid |
| 20:52.23 | greycat | You forgot contrib? |
| 20:52.27 | greycat | Maybe it's a simple fix, then.... |
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| 20:52.43 | crash_ | intel-microcode on stable should have no broken dependecies |
| 20:52.47 | Eightynine | Yes greycat. Is that a cause? |
| 20:52.54 | greycat | iucode-tool is in contrib |
| 20:53.01 | greycat | You ALWAYS have to enable contrib if you enable nonfree. |
| 20:53.39 | Eightynine | I simply typed add-apt-repository nonfree |
| 20:53.47 | greycat | ... da FUCK is this |
| 20:53.56 | greycat | Is this an ubuntu thing or something? :( |
| 20:54.16 | crash_ | just add main non-free contrib in your sources.list |
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| 20:54.37 | greycat | OK, first of all it's actually spelled "non-free". Or rather "contrib non-free" because you never use the latter without the former. |
| 20:55.00 | greycat | Second of all, what crash_ said. You edit sources.list and put words on lines and save it. I've never even HEARD of this apt-add-whatever command. |
| 20:55.00 | Eightynine | I found that command on one site. |
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| 20:55.28 | greycat | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free |
| 20:55.30 | greycat | and so on |
| 20:55.31 | crash_ | Eightynine: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 20:59.13 | Eightynine | Greycat you rock! And now reboot? |
| 20:59.29 | greycat | Remove whatever you did in xorg.conf.d and then reboot. |
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| 21:02.23 | mnuhmnuh | i wouldn't. i'd apt-get update and apt-get install mode-setting-driver (?) and yada yada whatever else, then restart ... |
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| 21:03.02 | greycat | I'm hoping he didn't actually remove the default drivers, and than undoing his changes in xorg.conf.d will let X use them. |
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| 21:04.22 | mnuhmnuh | gotta be tough being a kid these days, dumped into linux not even knowing "cat > file". |
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| 21:10.12 | crash_ | greycat: yeah that would not be fun, but modesetting is included in Xorg so maybe he/she have not removed anything in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers :) |
| 21:10.27 | greycat | I guess we'll find out |
| 21:10.54 | crash_ | indeed |
| 21:12.44 | mnuhmnuh | h/she did say "fresh Debian Gnome install", so not frankendebian at least. |
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| 21:14.34 | crash_ | :) |
| 21:15.05 | somiaj | well they could have told xorg to use the intel driver (xserver-xorg-video-intel) or ran that outdated xconfig script which would do such a silly thing |
| 21:15.15 | somiaj | I doubt xorg would pick the intel driver over modesetting |
| 21:15.29 | somiaj | but now it is just guessing |
| 21:15.52 | crash_ | modesetting is preferred over intel these days unless you have specified anything in xorg.conf.d |
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| 21:20.05 | Eightynine | Thank you very much guys for helping me. I fixed my system succesfully. |
| 21:21.50 | jgkamat | :D |
| 21:21.54 | mnuhmnuh | Eightynine: apt-get install debian-reference |
| 21:21.56 | jgkamat | (even though I didn't help at all) |
| 21:22.13 | Eightynine | Greycat helped me the most. |
| 21:23.05 | crash_ | Eightynine: nice to see that you got it fixed in the end |
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| 21:32.50 | Eightynine | Now graphics card works correctly. But Wi-Fi still couldn't be connected though firmware is loaded. |
| 21:33.57 | crash_ | wha t |
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| 21:34.02 | crash_ | does it say? |
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| 21:36.05 | Eightynine | It tries to connect network and then cancels connection without saying something. |
| 21:36.54 | mnuhmnuh | Eightynine: send your /etc/network/interfaces to paste.debian.net. are you using nm-applet in gnome? the latter ignores the former if it does anything. |
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| 21:37.34 | mnuhmnuh | ignores the interface |
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| 21:41.02 | Eightynine | I'm writing from phone. I checked that file. There's "auto lo iface lo inet loopback" |
| 21:41.16 | crash_ | Eightynine: try to add |
| 21:41.39 | crash_ | [device] |
| 21:41.39 | crash_ | wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no |
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| 21:41.49 | crash_ | in NetworkManager.conf |
| 21:42.09 | Eightynine | Applet is not visible until I'm trying to connect using Settings - Network. |
| 21:43.58 | Eightynine | " <crash_> in NetworkManager.conf" where is that file? |
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| 21:47.37 | crash_ | Eightynine: /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf |
| 21:48.22 | Eightynine | Thank you. I will check tomorrow. |
| 21:50.23 | crash_ | :) |
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| 21:54.18 | Helom | https://tinyurl.com/ya79dnx5 |
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| 22:09.46 | galex-713 | Iâd like to apply an ffmpeg filter to my whole screen, can xorg do that? |
| 22:10.59 | galex-713 | like, I have a passive 3D screen, where one row on two is polarized differently (thatâs called ârow interlacedâ in ffmpeg), and most applications and videos use the side-by-side format, where a version for the left eye is at the left of the video and another version of the same image for the right eye is at the right of the video |
| 22:11.15 | galex-713 | thereâs an ffmpeg/mpv filter that can do that, can I apply it to the whole screen? |
| 22:11.22 | galex-713 | nobody is answering on #xorg |
| 22:11.33 | somiaj | I doubt you can |
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| 22:11.39 | galex-713 | oh :( |
| 22:11.43 | somiaj | maybe (and this is highly unlikely) a composition could do that |
| 22:11.50 | somiaj | composittor |
| 22:11.54 | galex-713 | *compositor |
| 22:12.18 | galex-713 | because my monitor can do the conversion sbs->ir, but it does it only with hdmi, not vga |
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| 22:12.24 | somiaj | maybe not highly unlikely, but if anything that is where to look, as at some leve shadows and transparency are just a filter |
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| 22:12.53 | somiaj | is your graphics card so old it doesn't have dvi or hdmi output? |
| 22:13.31 | galex-713 | I have a passive vga->hdmi converter, but it does work, so I guess yes |
| 22:13.38 | galex-713 | I use the thinkpad X220 |
| 22:13.48 | galex-713 | yet itâs too recent to get libreboot support :/ |
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| 22:14.29 | somiaj | ahh a laptop, yea those were a bit slow to replace their external monintor with hdmi |
| 22:15.12 | galex-713 | who still use workstations? |
| 22:15.14 | galex-713 | *uses |
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| 22:18.29 | crash_ | i'm on a laptop only |
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| 22:22.34 | somiaj | galex-713: I prefer them, both my main home machine and work machine is a workstation. I only have a laptop that I use rarely. |
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| 22:23.16 | galex-713 | somiaj: yeah but then how do you do when youâre outside of your home? or if you want to move place? also that eats a lot of electricity |
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| 22:25.03 | somiaj | I have a vpn at work and rsync scripts to keep all my docsments synced on my multiple machines. |
| 22:25.24 | somiaj | but overall I like real keyboards, full size screens, and if I'm going to use a full monintor, would rather have a desktop. |
| 22:26.10 | somiaj | really if I'm going to do work, I want to be at my desk or office. If I'm going outside, I'm leaving my computer behind. |
| 22:26.15 | galex-713 | somiaj: I understand, but all these are usable with a laptop⦠and a desktop is only bigger and hungrier |
| 22:27.06 | somiaj | I also like to be able to easy replace parts, and build my own machines |
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| 22:40.04 | michael2 | hi all. does anyone know what debians policy for packages is main is regarding software which would contain non-free code? e.g. if a large application software like say firefox was free by most definitions, source available, GPL licence etc, but that it _contained_ a binary for decoding video or flash plugin etc, could that exist in main? or does the software have to be entirely comprised of libre/free |
| 22:40.06 | michael2 | software to qualify for main? |
| 22:40.31 | rant | when I enabled multiarch on stretch amd64 I only got sources for security,updates,backports but my main repos are still only amd64 according to apt policy |
| 22:40.40 | somiaj | packages which contain non-free code cannot be in main |
| 22:41.07 | somiaj | michael2: any non-free extensions would have to live in contrib/non-free depending on what it is |
| 22:41.17 | rant | I was trying to test the playstation 2 emulator since I sold my ps2 and still have games.. but its only in i386 |
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| 22:42.03 | somiaj | michael2: for example virtual box is in contrib (not main) despite it is 100% free code and binaries. Problem is to build the free vbox bios you need to use non-free software, so if you wanted to build every part of vbox includeing the bios you couldn't with free software. |
| 22:42.22 | somiaj | rant: do you have an [arch=amd64] in your sources.list by chance? |
| 22:42.30 | rant | no |
| 22:42.58 | somiaj | rant: care to share your sources.list and the output of apt policy |
| 22:43.18 | michael2 | somiaj: so say if debian provided a kernel which had proprietary blobs - because that was the only way to get some hardware to work - that kernel would have to live in contrib or non-free? |
| 22:43.29 | melissa666 | In commands like "ip addr add 169.254.0.1/32 dev wlan0:avahi" is the ':avahi' some kind of command/option related to wlan0, or is 'wlan0:avahi' just another name for an interface, which happens to have a colon in it? I can't find any documentation on this syntax, but I'm seeing it a lot re: avahi |
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| 22:44.46 | rant | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/1030265/ |
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| 22:47.33 | somiaj | michael2: avahi is some sort of automatic tool that gives interfaces fall back address and might do more. I personally don't use it, but it is enabled by default on most systems. |
| 22:48.00 | somiaj | avahi can also try to discover networking things. |
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| 22:48.26 | somiaj | melissa666: ^^ |
| 22:49.29 | somiaj | michael2: correct, but debian tries really hard not to support anything that is non-free. Debian is offically only debian main. STuff debian packages and provides in contrib and non-free are meant to help users out who need such software, but it isn't offically part of debian (it just uses debian's infenstructor to package and distribute to those who want/need them |
| 22:49.57 | somiaj | melissa666: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avahi_(software) |
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| 22:50.57 | somiaj | rant: I think it has to do with your mirrors, if a mirror doesn'thave the arch it won't be avaiable. |
| 22:51.03 | somiaj | rant: also don't use ftp.debian.org |
| 22:51.06 | somiaj | !ftp.debian.org |
| 22:51.06 | dpkg | ftp.debian.org is not the principal mirror for Debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you, ask me about <mirrors>. See http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#wherefrom for more information. |
| 22:51.31 | somiaj | rant: but it could be that deb.debian.org is redirecting you toa mirror that only has amd64 packages |
| 22:52.18 | melissa666 | somiaj, sorry I wasn't clear. I'm aware of what avahi is, and what it's for. I'm trying to set up ad-hoc networking for use with babeld. But I'm just trying to understand that that command I described is doing. I want to understand the 'wlan0:avahi' syntax, and what exactly it's doing, and it's relation to wlan0 ... |
| 22:52.43 | melissa666 | what does appending ':avahi' tell the ip command to do, exactly? |
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| 22:53.28 | somiaj | melissa666: looks like it is just creating a virtual interface from the hits I get in google. |
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| 22:56.55 | somiaj | maybe virtual interface isn't the correct term, but it is somehow a secondary interface that can be used to add another ip address to the interface. In this case you can name them things like wlan0:1 wlan0:2, etc, appears that command is naming it wlan0:avahi to signify it is a virtual inerface (or secondary configration of sorts) that is getting its ip from avahi |
| 22:57.14 | somiaj | though I dno't think there is anything special about the :avahi in the command you listed, except it is a way to name the interface |
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| 22:58.23 | somiaj | melissa666: not finding any good write up this, but it appears device alias is a better name than virtual interface |
| 22:59.21 | rant | somiaj: backports website specifically said to use that line.. as you can see the rest are deb.debian.org. the main deb.debian.org is the one not working with i386 |
| 23:00.31 | somiaj | stretch-backports are now part of the main mirrors so I would just use deb.debian.org, but it appears it is picking a mirror that only has amd64, maybe try using ftp.us.debian.org as your mirrors |
| 23:01.29 | somiaj | melissa666: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/alias.txt -- seems they are also depricated. |
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| 23:06.30 | melissa666 | somiaj, thanks - yeah, I was having trouble finding any real documentation on it either ... mostly just seeing it in forum posts, tutorials, etc without any explanation of what it's doing. I'll do some more searches with "device alias" and see what I can find ... |
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| 23:07.18 | melissa666 | ah that's what I was looking for --> "Relationship with main device |
| 23:07.18 | melissa666 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.18 | melissa666 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.51 | somiaj | melissa666: I think what you are seeing is not standard. man ip-address and check the label option. I belive that is what you should be using if you want compadability with the old alias standard |
| 23:08.17 | somiaj | but in the ip-address manpage, it is dev IFNAME, and what is there is just an IFNAME, and maybe IFNAME can be an alias to be compadable with the depricated ifconfig way of dealing with this. |
| 23:08.55 | somiaj | i.e. the examples I keep finding are more on the line of ip addr add <address> dev wlan0 label wlan0:avahi if you wanted to give that ip address you added a label |
| 23:09.25 | somiaj | not finding any definitive documentation of what it does if you use wlan0:avahi as the IFNAME (maybe has some compadability, but can't find any clear info on this) |
| 23:09.29 | michael2 | does anyone know which docs define what exact rules debian uses for choosing what goes in main, contrib etc? not so much the idealogical discussion but more the actual technical and practical rules about how packages are chosen for main etc.. |
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| 23:11.06 | melissa666 | somiaj, I don't have any particular reason that I need compatability - I was just following instructions for babeld setup I've found online, and many of them included the :avahi alias. Maybe I don't need it at all now though, if I use 'label' option. |
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| 23:12.30 | somiaj | michael2: it is called the DFSG (Debian Free Software Guidelines) |
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| 23:13.18 | somiaj | michael2: https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 23:13.54 | somiaj | michael2: https://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html is a good read too |
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| 23:18.32 | michael2 | somiaj: thanks, Ive seen those links, they are interesting, but Im interested in a specific aspect of the packaging policy which Im not sure is covered by those documents |
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| 23:24.56 | somiaj | what do you mean by that. The policy is the code in the packages must meet the DFSG |
| 23:25.31 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ if you really want debian packaging policy, but when it comes to the DFSG those links describe what the software that is packaged must follow |
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