| 00:00.30 | Tenkawa | part of it too could be the overall server config |
| 00:00.44 | Tenkawa | i dont know how that httpd.conf is set up |
| 00:01.14 | Tenkawa | it usually works |
| 00:01.24 | jak2000 | somiaj checking |
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| 00:04.05 | jak2000 | https://paste.debian.net/1024424/ |
| 00:04.33 | AlexPortable | folder /home/alexportable/one/two/three/four/five/six/, i want to share folder four with user foo, and folder six with user bar. whats the best way to achieve this? |
| 00:05.20 | AlexPortable | should i move the folder outside of the home directory? |
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| 00:06.35 | Tenkawa | ooooh |
| 00:07.14 | Tenkawa | enable mod_rewrite |
| 00:07.39 | somiaj | AlexPortable: share in what sense, local user, over some sharing program like samba/nfs? |
| 00:07.46 | AlexPortable | local |
| 00:07.56 | Tenkawa | I'm reading they may have changed its default behavior recently |
| 00:08.11 | somiaj | AlexPortable: also do you want to allow the user who has access to four, to also have access to five and six? |
| 00:08.18 | AlexPortable | yes |
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| 00:08.41 | jak2000 | Tenkawa is for me/ |
| 00:08.41 | AlexPortable | everything 'below' it is fine, but higher up not |
| 00:08.42 | jak2000 | ? |
| 00:08.46 | jak2000 | <Tenkawa> enable mod_rewrite |
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| 00:08.50 | Tenkawa | jak2000: see if a2enmod mod_rewrite and restarting apache helps |
| 00:09.10 | jak2000 | ERROR: Module mod_rewrite does not exist! |
| 00:09.15 | somiaj | AlexPortable: it would be easier if they weren't so nested, but in that case, note that if you give a user 'x' permisions but not 'r' persions, they can't actually see any of the files in the directory, but they can move through it. |
| 00:09.28 | Tenkawa | oops |
| 00:09.32 | AlexPortable | or maybe i should setup a symlink? |
| 00:09.32 | Tenkawa | a2enmod rewrite |
| 00:09.39 | Tenkawa | typo |
| 00:10.09 | jak2000 | Module rewrite already enabled |
| 00:10.17 | Tenkawa | well darn |
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| 00:10.49 | jak2000 | if i rename the .htaccess file, it work but not know if a good idea (and too not know if work fine at 1005) |
| 00:11.01 | somiaj | AlexPortable: not sure on the exact details, but you would have to use groups, and then only give 'x' to either a group or everyone but no 'r'. |
| 00:11.10 | Tenkawa | I hear ya |
| 00:11.36 | somiaj | Tenkawa: what does mod_rewrite have to do with this, the issue is mod_headers. |
| 00:11.58 | Tenkawa | somiaj: right.. but its not parsing his access rules |
| 00:12.55 | somiaj | not sure what you mean by that, it seems that is things 'Headers' is not defined, which sounds like mod_headers is not loading properly. |
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| 00:13.23 | Tenkawa | but it told him it was already loaded when he enables it |
| 00:13.25 | WoC | in debian, what's the fastest permanent way to amputate nouveau and block it from ever being used ? |
| 00:13.33 | Tenkawa | so something is not parsing |
| 00:13.41 | somiaj | Tenkawa: yea, I'm unsure if that is telling him the link exists, or it was properly loaded. |
| 00:13.49 | somiaj | jak2000: do you have php enabled by chance? |
| 00:13.53 | Tenkawa | somiaj: that I do agree wth |
| 00:14.10 | somiaj | WoC: blacklist the module |
| 00:14.12 | Tenkawa | somiaj: it could be a bad character even hiding somewhere |
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| 00:14.38 | jak2000 | in this site? |
| 00:14.50 | jak2000 | checking making a phpinfo... |
| 00:14.56 | AlexPortable | somiaj: i'm a bit lost here, should i set group x or others x? |
| 00:15.16 | somiaj | WoC: but that sounds like an XY problem, what is your actual goal? Do you want to fall back to vesa or nv driver? Or are you wanting to use the nivida driver instaed of nouveau? |
| 00:15.35 | somiaj | AlexPortable: either works, depends on your actual needs. I would probably use others myself, and then setup the groups for the read (maybe write) permissions. |
| 00:15.55 | AlexPortable | but the owner of the folder isn't the group |
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| 00:20.04 | WoC | somiaj, odd but it's already blacklisted but yet loaded |
| 00:20.44 | somiaj | WoC: blacklist just prevents loading at boot, I think it can manually be loaded later. Maybe your xorg is loading it. Have you written an xorg.conf to force your machine to use the nv driver? |
| 00:21.21 | Tenkawa | thats my understanding too |
| 00:21.34 | Tenkawa | you need to put specific udev rules in |
| 00:21.41 | Tenkawa | theres a wiki page for it |
| 00:23.57 | WoC | somiaj, ty, still trying to find any nvidia driver though... some repo to enable for that but i haven't found it yet |
| 00:24.08 | somiaj | !nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 00:24.08 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 00:24.31 | Tenkawa | WoC: have you been to the wiki page? |
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| 00:25.15 | somiaj | WoC: debian provides the nvidia drivers, they are just in non-free |
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| 00:26.48 | Tenkawa | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 00:28.47 | jak2000 | Tenkawa when try use https: i get this error: SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG |
| 00:28.50 | jak2000 | any advice? |
| 00:29.32 | Tenkawa | jak2000: that one I have to defer to someone else.. I haven't run into that one myself |
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| 00:41.09 | jak2000 | Tenkawa :( muhc thanks |
| 00:41.12 | jak2000 | somiaj thanks! |
| 00:41.21 | Tenkawa | np... good luck |
| 00:42.08 | Tenkawa | cheers all.. I gotta run |
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| 00:43.59 | WoC | k, ty |
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| 01:00.42 | Chinesium | How can I copy a directory from a debian VM to my Windows host? I'm using VMware |
| 01:06.09 | somiaj | Chinesium: I thinnk vmware provides a way to mount a direction on the host in the guest. Unsure on this. Another way is if you have ssh running on the guest, use winscp |
| 01:06.27 | somiaj | mobaxterm is also a nice windows tool for accessing linux servers. |
| 01:06.49 | Chinesium | I cheated |
| 01:06.57 | Chinesium | I tarballed it then pomf'd the file |
| 01:07.10 | somiaj | many solutions available. |
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| 01:23.26 | spaces | !moo |
| 01:23.26 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 01:23.40 | spaces | sorry I needed this one ;) |
| 01:24.39 | Logg | thank you spaces |
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| 01:31.33 | somiaj | spaces: /msg dpkg foo works and there is also ircbots.debian.net |
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| 01:36.59 | rpifan | !apt |
| 01:36.59 | dpkg | Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>. |
| 01:37.04 | rpifan | !apt install apt |
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| 01:38.11 | somiaj | rpifan: please /msg the bot |
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| 01:40.54 | AlexPortable | I'm trying to share a folder (/opt/test/) inside a chroot, but I don't have that much luck |
| 01:41.20 | AlexPortable | mounted it with bind, but the folder just seems to be empty |
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| 01:55.42 | b--- | 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon R3 Graphics] [1002:9850] (rev 45) |
| 01:56.00 | b--- | any idea what AMD video driver i need to install? |
| 01:56.05 | tp43_ | I two screen, 1 widescreen monitor connected on display port plug and other widescreen tv on vga plug, but the screen on the vga port, the tv, it is not filling up the widescreen, it is showing square |
| 01:56.30 | b--- | when I boot up and see the debian splash page it's a giant mess until the sign in screen |
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| 01:56.43 | tp43_ | I will try a reboot |
| 01:56.44 | b--- | post grub i can't explain it without a screenshot |
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| 02:03.02 | b--- | Hi my videocard is the following chipset: 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon R3 Graphics] [1002:9850] (rev 45) I'm getting the following for 30 seconds on boot. I can't even explain it without an image. Eventually I reach the login screen. OS: Debian Stretch https://imgur.com/a/H7uku4F |
| 02:03.33 | b--- | This is a clean install of Debian Stretch. When I had Debian Jessie this never happened and my boot time was seconds. |
| 02:03.49 | b--- | Normally I don't link to images, but I have no idea what it is. |
| 02:04.24 | b--- | Once I reach GDM (I think that's the default desktop manager) the screen renders correctly |
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| 02:05.45 | tp43_ | didnt work, still square picture on widescreen |
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| 02:06.59 | Logg | b---, you could just disable the splash screen in /etc/default/grub. If GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" you'll get text on the screen instead of glitchy images. |
| 02:07.14 | b--- | let me try that now thank you |
| 02:07.21 | b--- | i really want to see what's causing such a long boot time |
| 02:07.26 | Logg | tp43_, try xrandr to set the display mode |
| 02:07.34 | Logg | you may have to add a mode line |
| 02:07.44 | b--- | let me reboot brb thanks |
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| 02:09.12 | tp43_ | Logg, are you sure, I don't see any display mode setting |
| 02:09.44 | Logg | yeah, tp43_ I've followed instructions similar to these: http://arunviswanathan.com/node/53 |
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| 02:10.31 | somiaj | b---: Do you have firmware-amd-graphics installed from non-free? |
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| 02:10.33 | b--- | Logg: I still see the same visual error when I boot up and when I shut down |
| 02:10.45 | b--- | even with GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" |
| 02:10.52 | Logg | make sure to update grub b--- |
| 02:11.10 | b--- | oops i didnt do that |
| 02:11.20 | b--- | somiaj: i have everything out of the box so non-free isn't installed yet |
| 02:11.33 | b--- | non-free repos arent enabled |
| 02:11.38 | b--- | should i? |
| 02:11.49 | somiaj | I think Logg has a point about the spalsh srcreen, but the free radeon kms driver works a bit better if you have the non-free firmware for it installed. |
| 02:12.02 | b--- | i'll take your advise and install it now |
| 02:12.10 | b--- | -advice |
| 02:12.18 | somiaj | correct, they aren't installed by default, but your graphics card mayget some preformace boost by having the amd firmware. Though since you say gdm works fine, this issue might be something else. |
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| 02:14.22 | b--- | do I need to remove packages after installing this? |
| 02:14.22 | b--- | or just reboot? |
| 02:14.52 | Logg | sometimes I've had to blacklist the nouveou driver, but sometimes you can just reboot. |
| 02:15.11 | b--- | here goes brb again thanks |
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| 02:17.22 | b--- | phew that's fantastic now i can see what's slowing it down |
| 02:17.26 | b--- | no more glitchy screen |
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| 02:17.33 | b--- | thank you |
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| 02:17.55 | somiaj | Logg: I doubt nouveau is an issue with a amd card |
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| 02:18.20 | b--- | those closed source drivers\firmware you recommended did the trick |
| 02:18.20 | Logg | somiaj, you might be right, might be thinking of when I had a Nvidia 560ti |
| 02:18.43 | somiaj | b---: the firmware is used in addition to the open driver. Some of the newer cards require it, lots of the older ones, the firmware just provided better preformance and possibliy 3d support. |
| 02:19.04 | somiaj | so though the driver is open, it requires closed (non-free) firmware for more features/preformance |
| 02:19.35 | b--- | yeah i can tell the difference now i can select higher resolutions |
| 02:19.43 | b--- | not sure what was going on out of the box |
| 02:20.04 | Logg | it used to be the default to show boot process, but the powers that be decided it was prettier to put a splash screen by default. |
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| 02:21.17 | somiaj | I don't think a splash screen is default, none of my installs have one. But they are all 'quiet' and don't produce much output |
| 02:22.29 | tp43_ | Logg, it worked, it got wide, but not wide enough |
| 02:22.36 | b--- | brb |
| 02:23.50 | Logg | tp43_, keep hacking at it. make sure you use the correct resolution in your gtf line, and there might be some setting in the monitor to adjust overscan etc |
| 02:24.43 | tp43_ | How can I find my screen's dimensions? |
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| 02:28.58 | b--- | somiaj: the delay was due to missing realtek-firmware which is odd considering eth0 and wlan0 functioned properly |
| 02:29.13 | b--- | but i installed the non-free firmware anyway and my boot time is like 5 seconds |
| 02:29.36 | b--- | (post grub) |
| 02:30.33 | Logg | tp43_, easiest way is to google the model number |
| 02:30.38 | tp43_ | How to query a connected monitors specs? |
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| 02:31.02 | Logg | b---, good stuff |
| 02:31.20 | b--- | Logg: thanks for the help |
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| 02:43.12 | tp43_ | I looked it up https://www.walmart.com/ip/Emerson-32-Class-LCD-720p-60Hz-HDTV-LC320EM2/16775701, so I tried that 1368x768_60.00 but tv says it can't handle it |
| 02:43.36 | Logg | try 59.9 hz |
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| 02:45.04 | Logg | and depending on the connection, (vga vs hdmi) it might only support some oddball not-native resolutions. 1280x720 |
| 02:48.18 | Logg | maybe 1366 x 768 |
| 02:48.43 | Logg | or 1360x768... |
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| 03:08.30 | WoC | :P dang it... Somehow, i can not get X11 working on my hybrid sht graphics, intel+nvidia, is there a debian setup script of some sort ? |
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| 03:10.44 | WoC | Detected NVIDIA GPUs: |
| 03:10.44 | WoC | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GF108M [GeForce GT 525M] [10de:0df5] (rev ff) |
| 03:11.10 | WoC | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.10 | WoC | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.18 | WoC | :P |
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| 03:14.26 | Heston | hi fellas, if I have an empty directory on an ntfs partition that reads 8KB in size, would that just be metadata? |
| 03:14.56 | WoC | clustersize |
| 03:15.25 | WoC | so one inode still takes 8k |
| 03:15.32 | WoC | k Heston ? |
| 03:16.01 | Heston | just that if I made a new folder through the file manager, it actually reads as 0 in size |
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| 03:16.57 | WoC | hmmm, that seems odd |
| 03:17.32 | Heston | and other empty folders either take 0 bytes or 4 KB |
| 03:18.18 | Heston | im wondering if it's because it's an NTFS partition that's been accessed through windows and debian |
| 03:18.40 | Heston | maybe the ntfs-3g driver has made a mess of things? |
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| 03:19.13 | WoC | or you simply have something hidden |
| 03:19.31 | Heston | ls -al doesnt list anything |
| 03:19.45 | tp43_ | Logg, I click format-> full, on my remote. But setting the screen 1440x900 is great too |
| 03:20.18 | WoC | Heston: nothing comes to mind, sorry |
| 03:20.24 | tp43_ | Logg, thx |
| 03:20.26 | Heston | np |
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| 03:21.21 | Logg | glad you're pleased with it tp43_ |
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| 04:43.57 | Resilience | hello to eeryone, I have old versions of lxqt, mate, and so on desktops (for trying) now I want to remove them but it seems taht thre are no packes taht purge those desktops, what is going wrong= what can I do= tasksel does not recognize desktops installed |
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| 04:45.10 | GreatEmerald | Is there a way to have apt actually tell the reason why it can't install a package straight away, instead of saying "Depends: <something> but it is not going to be installed" |
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| 04:50.44 | iflema | GreatEmerald: what sources do you have in sources.list? have yoaltered theM? It may be going to drag in too much and/or require a major upgrade to distro or toolchain as is |
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| 04:52.51 | GreatEmerald | iflema: I have the x32 port and the amd64 main, non-free, contrib enabled. Mind you, this is unstable |
| 04:53.16 | meta-coder | When was the last edition of Debian Project News newsletter sent? Has it stopped producing new editions? |
| 04:53.41 | GreatEmerald | Some package is missing, and I need to manually walk the dependency tree, which is needlessly time-consuming... |
| 04:54.32 | iflema | sid? unstable is as unstable does |
| 04:54.38 | GreatEmerald | Yes |
| 04:55.02 | GreatEmerald | So it's not unexpected to have these issues, it's just annoying to track what the issue is |
| 04:55.26 | GreatEmerald | I'm quite used to zypper that just outright tells you that you're missing this package |
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| 04:55.46 | SlidingHorn | GreatEmerald: you may have better luck in #debian-next on oftc.net - that's where support for testing & sid is |
| 04:56.15 | GreatEmerald | Hm, I see |
| 04:56.43 | SlidingHorn | GreatEmerald: that being said, the "Depends:" message you reference is what tells you whats missing |
| 04:57.43 | GreatEmerald | SlidingHorn: It's not missing, it just depends on something else, which depends on something else, which depends on something else |
| 04:58.58 | GreatEmerald | And if I try to walk the tree with apt install, at some points I can install some of the dependencies, but they don't get marked as automatic |
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| 04:59.21 | GreatEmerald | Which means that autoremove won't work on them as it should |
| 05:00.37 | iflema | influx |
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| 05:12.06 | GreatEmerald | Hm, there seem to be conflicts between Qt 5.10 and Qt 5.9 |
| 05:12.55 | GreatEmerald | libqt5xdgiconloader3 requires 5.9, but 5.10 is in the repos |
| 05:14.16 | themill | Qt5.9 is nowhere in Debian |
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| 05:15.48 | GreatEmerald | Hm, right, but there are deps on its ABI? |
| 05:16.05 | themill | not for the libqt5xdgiconloader3 package in sid |
| 05:16.13 | GreatEmerald | https://packages.debian.org/sid/libqt5xdgiconloader3 |
| 05:16.42 | GreatEmerald | qtbase-abi-5-9-2 |
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| 05:18.11 | themill | nope, not in any supported architecture |
| 05:18.29 | GreatEmerald | Sure, I'm on x32 |
| 05:18.42 | themill | which isn't a supported architecture |
| 05:18.54 | GreatEmerald | Sure |
| 05:19.05 | themill | This is one of those things where when it breaks, you get to keep both pieces. |
| 05:19.17 | GreatEmerald | Still, I'd like to get that issue fixed, the dep seems quite bogus |
| 05:19.31 | GreatEmerald | Maybe compiling from source would fix that |
| 05:19.38 | themill | #debian is for stable and for supported archs⦠|
| 05:19.53 | themill | You need to talk to the people who are working on the x32 port |
| 05:20.14 | GreatEmerald | Yea, I know, but #debian-x32 is quite quiet |
| 05:20.26 | themill | they know more about x32 than anyone hee |
| 05:20.39 | GreatEmerald | And this is a question on deps, rather than the arch |
| 05:23.00 | space_race | Does anyone know whether firefox 60 will included in the new stable release? |
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| 05:23.44 | space_race | The firefox 60 esr version just hit experimental but testing still in firefox 52 |
| 05:24.06 | themill | space_race: it will end up in buster some time between now and when 52esr is no longer supported |
| 05:24.44 | themill | (same for stretch, actually) |
| 05:26.31 | space_race | Firefox-60 is about 70% of the reason why im on Unstable |
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| 05:40.47 | Tywin | Where are the additional hooks for update-initramfs stored? A lot of useless bullshit keeps getting added to it and I can't figure out where the hell they're coming from |
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| 05:43.03 | Kevlar_Noir | hey buddies |
| 05:43.23 | Tywin | Nevermind. They magically appeared in a place that I searched in a few minutes ago. |
| 05:43.42 | Kevlar_Noir | debian is the force |
| 05:44.15 | Kevlar_Noir | wherever we live |
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| 05:49.27 | werkIt | hey there. im trying to install debian 9 to my macbook pro late 2012. im having issues with my network driver. its not allowing me to select the b43 option from the network. and when i use a direct connectiong i get dhcp erros.... ive tried copying the files for the drivers onto a usb but im having issues with compatibility. im untable to apt get or with the nelist iso |
| 05:50.41 | werkIt | reccommendations on work around or hacks? potentially even adding the packages to the iso pre bundle |
| 05:50.58 | GreatEmerald | Sure enough, compiling libqt5xdgiconloader3 manually fixed the deps issue |
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| 05:59.52 | somiaj | werkIt: broadcom requires some extra care. Do you have a wired connection you can use, if so there are packages in contrib and non-free you can use to get the firmware needed for the wifi card. |
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| 06:03.20 | werkIt | my wired connection fails at ipv6 setup ... no dhcp found |
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| 06:03.53 | st_iron_ | hi |
| 06:03.55 | werkIt | i have the firmware on my mac partition. and even on a server i tried to sftp into and that failed. |
| 06:04.48 | somiaj | werkIt: what exact BCM chipset do you have? |
| 06:04.48 | werkIt | i cant seem to find how to cp the .deb firmware to my usb to boot with dpkg because its not a .iso or etcetc format |
| 06:05.40 | somiaj | werkIt: personally I would deal with getting the card to work after the install (not during the install). And note that the firmware is not directly provided by debian, only scripts to download it or cut it out of the windows driver. |
| 06:07.09 | kot | because of broadcom legal restrictions? |
| 06:07.14 | somiaj | I belive so |
| 06:07.32 | werkIt | Broadcom Corporation BCM57765/57785 SDXC/MMC Card Reader |
| 06:07.48 | werkIt | installation works but i have just the core stretch |
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| 06:08.14 | somiaj | the two basic options are us the b43 driver, debian provides scripts which downloads the windows driver from broadcom, cuts the firmware out of and copies it into place. The other is to use their wl-driver, which requires using tools to download and build the driver against your kernel |
| 06:08.16 | werkIt | no network connection and its only terminal GNOME DNE |
| 06:08.19 | somiaj | werkIt: that isn't a network card. |
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| 06:09.38 | werkIt | how would i get the script onto the installation without internet |
| 06:09.50 | werkIt | it seems the wl-driver is the only option then/ |
| 06:09.53 | werkIt | ?* |
| 06:10.07 | somiaj | if you don't have a secondary network connection (even a usb dongle) you can use, then you have to manually cut the firmare out, using b43-fwcutter (for the bcm 43xx cards) |
| 06:10.33 | somiaj | you will have to copy it over to the machine using some physical medium like a usb or cd. And you may ahve to download a few packages. |
| 06:10.48 | somiaj | it is kinda a pain if you don't have a network connection and can use the scripts to automate it. |
| 06:11.46 | werkIt | any suggestions on fixing the DHCP connection error then? |
| 06:11.56 | werkIt | also i appreciate your help thank you |
| 06:12.11 | somiaj | is ipv6 the only option you have avaiable, I don't know ipv6 that well. |
| 06:12.43 | werkIt | i dont believe so, but thats the the auto installer was looking for to configure |
| 06:12.57 | somiaj | well do you have any info about your wired card in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:12.58 | werkIt | i do believe there is a way to manually install ? |
| 06:15.25 | werkIt | mmmm there isnt one? i use an external usb to eth plug in |
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| 06:15.50 | somiaj | that is fine, we can add it, if a wired card exists. |
| 06:16.10 | somiaj | so if you have a usb wired card, we can try to get that to work. plug it in, and then look at the output of 'ip a' |
| 06:16.20 | somiaj | see if the wired card is identified. |
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| 06:19.58 | werkIt | hmm my wired connection is located in a roommates room who seems to be locked away and unresponsibive so i cant connect atm. any way you just list or link me to list of cmds/process to troubleshoot the conenction? |
| 06:20.05 | werkIt | sorry about that |
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| 06:21.40 | somiaj | provided debian recongizes your wired connection its name will show up in 'ip a', from there get the name and put the line 'iface <name> inet dhcp' in /etc/network/interfaces, where <name> is the name of the interface from ip a |
| 06:22.04 | somiaj | after that run, 'ifup <name>' and it should bring it up, provided there is a dhcp server that will respond. |
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| 06:22.30 | somiaj | after that edit /etc/apt/sources.list, configure the deb.debian.org sources, make sure to include contrib and non-free, then apt update, after that install the desired script or wl driver packages. |
| 06:23.19 | somiaj | werkIt: that is the jist of it. And I don't know any easier way for broadcom hardware. |
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| 06:25.34 | werkIt | i seriously appreciate the help. i wish i could troubleshoot it atm .. what a bummer that this is such a problem everything abt the mac os has been an issue from having to erase the drive and remap partitions to the firmware stuff! |
| 06:25.49 | werkIt | sigh. will get this to work tho thanks for the help! |
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| 07:17.20 | shtrb|laptop | Is there a firefox-esr built with NSS that enable SSLKEYLOGFILE (bug #1188657 in mozilla) ? |
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| 07:18.56 | shtrb|laptop | ,v firefox-esr |
| 07:18.58 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie: 52.5.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.7.3esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.7.3esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.7.3esr-1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb9u1; sid: |
| 07:18.59 | judd | 52.8.0esr-1; experimental: 60.0esr-1 |
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| 07:25.15 | shtrb|laptop | firefox-esr "developer edition" should have that |
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| 07:27.34 | hypn0 | 52, just download 60 :-/ |
| 07:28.43 | shtrb|laptop | does 60 have that feature enabled ? |
| 07:29.26 | hypn0 | if 5 does, I would think 60 would |
| 07:29.35 | hypn0 | 52* does |
| 07:29.49 | shtrb|laptop | 52 does not have that in "normal" build, but only in "debug/developer" builds |
| 07:29.53 | shtrb|laptop | that why I asked |
| 07:30.09 | shtrb|laptop | hence I ask about what package could have it |
| 07:30.26 | hypn0 | its seems to change a lot too recently |
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| 07:34.53 | shtrb|laptop | I'm so not into rebuilding a package with some extra compile option just to enable one feature (build needs at least 8 GB of disk space and god knows how much to time build) |
| 07:36.20 | hypn0 | says at end =50 works well enough for me. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1188657 ? shtrb|laptop |
| 07:37.13 | shtrb|laptop | hypn0, you have actually tried creating the file and entered an https site and seen the key flushed to the file ? |
| 07:37.31 | hypn0 | no |
| 07:38.37 | shtrb|laptop | you said "works well enough for you", so I assumed you tested it (because I'm getting different results = key is not flushed) |
| 07:39.01 | hypn0 | I said in comments at the end |
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| 07:41.56 | shtrb|laptop | Sorry, didn't get my coffee yet |
| 07:43.25 | shtrb|laptop | for additional background here is the NSS bug report https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1183318 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1422854 |
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| 07:47.56 | somiaj | shtrb|laptop: have you checked if this feature is enabeled in the experimental package? If not, maybe you need to file a bug with debian about it, sounds like a wishlist bug to me. |
| 07:48.41 | shtrb|laptop | hmmm installing a package from experimental (that sound fun) , I will check , thanks |
| 07:49.07 | somiaj | if running stable, double check the depends are staisfied in jessie. |
| 07:49.12 | shtrb|laptop | somiaj, I thought someone else already packages something (and I just failed to find it) |
| 07:49.12 | somiaj | sorry I mean stretch |
| 07:49.45 | somiaj | but here you can see if the new esr60 has that feature, and that would probably be your best bet of getting it into stable |
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| 07:52.16 | space_race | Will esr60 be included in the new stable though? |
| 07:53.08 | space_race | Asking because I'm not sure where to check what version will be included in new stable |
| 07:53.09 | somiaj | space_race: security will eventually provided it once the current esr is no longer supported and there are security issues |
| 07:53.32 | somiaj | oh the new stable, I totally expect esr60 to be provided via scurity for stretch and in buster. |
| 07:53.43 | somiaj | since support ends for esr52 in august |
| 07:54.30 | space_race | Yea the new stable (not the current one) |
| 07:54.51 | space_race | If it does get included in the new stable, I might just go back down to Stable |
| 07:55.01 | space_race | when it comes out |
| 07:56.08 | somiaj | that doesn't make much sense to me, but anyways, by the time buster is released, it will have esr60. And eventaully stretch will have it too. |
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| 07:57.00 | Logg | "the new stable" is buster, and won't be released for a long time (years). if you want the latest hottest hippest firefox, read here: https://wiki.debian.org/Firefox#Firefox_Stable.2C_Beta_and_Nightly |
| 08:00.44 | space_race | Im on Unstable at the moment |
| 08:01.32 | space_race | I could just stay in stable and use Logg's link, but it's easier to just be on stable and apt install firefox |
| 08:02.05 | space_race | Plus, the new stable wont come out until next year or something, right? |
| 08:02.34 | shtrb|laptop | somiaj, checked 60 on a different machine - does not have that option enabled :-( |
| 08:02.59 | somiaj | then I would file a wishlist bug to the debian bts |
| 08:03.28 | Logg | space_race, Debian stretch just came out a couple months ago. Eventually ESR 60 will enter it, but if you're "waiting", it's a long wait. |
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| 08:04.49 | somiaj | Logg: you are a year off, debian stretch has been out for over a year. |
| 08:05.08 | space_race | Logg: yea, so for now, Im just on Unstable until it enters stable (either the current or next one) |
| 08:05.30 | somiaj | or about a year, I expect buster next summer/fall |
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| 08:07.19 | Logg | somiaj ... feels like shorter. |
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| 08:07.48 | somiaj | released on June 17th, 2017 |
| 08:09.21 | Logg | that reminds me I'm going to die |
| 08:09.21 | shtrb|laptop | still remember his etch and sarge somewhere |
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| 08:21.42 | Kevlar_Noir | wherever you live Logg |
| 08:21.55 | Kevlar_Noir | wherever we live... |
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| 09:05.33 | atralheaven | sorry, it was a mistake! |
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| 10:16.29 | somethinginteres | Hi all, has anyone had luck getting Spotify to run on Debian testing? Instructions on spotify.com are not working for me. |
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| 10:19.28 | mhtr | slm:) |
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| 10:36.24 | AndreasLutro | somethinginteres: not on testing, but I have it running on stable using flatpak |
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| 10:38.11 | somethinginteres | AndreasLutro: noted. Thanks. The instructions for adding their repo directly don't seem to work for me "could not resolve <url>" on apt-get update will give the flatpak a go |
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| 10:38.56 | shtrb|laptop | I wonder if flatpak apps will ever be ported to normal and sane debian packages |
| 10:39.25 | AndreasLutro | why would/should they? they have fundamentally different design goals |
| 10:40.47 | shtrb|laptop | because that way you could relay on APT and not flatpak to handle everything |
| 10:41.07 | shtrb|laptop | I trust apt more than I trust flatpak / snapd |
| 10:41.37 | AndreasLutro | so do I, but for some things you simply have to accept the tradeoff of convenience |
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| 10:42.11 | TyrfingMjolnir | How do I do /sbin/route -n in debian 9? |
| 10:42.12 | shtrb|laptop | take a look on how skype is handled (you must to have a "virtualization" env just to make it run ) |
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| 10:42.37 | TyrfingMjolnir | Is see there is: ip a |
| 10:42.41 | AndreasLutro | I already use a combination of apt, flatpak, appimages, and custom scripts to download or compile programs that aren't available or recent enough in apt. any effort to consolidate this sort of thing is welcome to me |
| 10:42.45 | TyrfingMjolnir | and ip route |
| 10:43.09 | TyrfingMjolnir | AndreasLutro: Saltstate? |
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| 10:45.06 | AndreasLutro | too much effort |
| 10:45.10 | AndreasLutro | TyrfingMjolnir: what does `route -n` do? |
| 10:45.56 | TyrfingMjolnir | Shows me the default gw and all the local subnets |
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| 10:46.11 | TyrfingMjolnir | The local routing table I assume it's called. |
| 10:46.30 | AndreasLutro | seems like what `ip route` does to me |
| 10:46.53 | TyrfingMjolnir | ip route does the same as echo for me |
| 10:47.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | ip route does the same as echo -n to me in the current installation |
| 10:47.25 | TyrfingMjolnir | No output |
| 10:47.29 | TyrfingMjolnir | New command prompt |
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| 10:48.27 | AndreasLutro | that's definitely not normal |
| 10:48.34 | AndreasLutro | unless you have no network connectivity |
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| 11:05.35 | somethinginteres | AndreasLutro: thanks. Flatpak worked. |
| 11:08.30 | shtrb|laptop | We talked about not trusting snap , and here it is a maleware had been found in snap |
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| 11:11.15 | somethinginteres | shtrb|laptop: yep, saw that today. I am not exactly comfortable with it. On the upside the apps got removed from the store. |
| 11:12.32 | Tegu | well, that's not specific to snap. it could happn on any distribution system without quality assurance |
| 11:12.56 | Tegu | like some random extrnal repos |
| 11:13.06 | somethinginteres | not wrong Tegu. |
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| 11:31.21 | TyrfingMjolnir | AndreasLutro: I double that; definitely not normal |
| 11:34.24 | TyrfingMjolnir | udev rules are empty... |
| 11:34.28 | TyrfingMjolnir | dmesg outpus nothing |
| 11:34.33 | TyrfingMjolnir | How can I see the NICs? |
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| 12:10.17 | basilic__ | Hello all |
| 12:10.37 | basilic__ | I would like to know which groups I need to have a full acess to usb device |
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| 12:10.41 | basilic__ | ? |
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| 12:11.06 | domovoy | when using debuild to build a package, is there a way to ask for building only a specific package from debian/control? |
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| 12:22.58 | TinkerTiger | I was thinking plugdev but that's only for mounting/unmounting USB devices. |
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| 12:28.51 | brad[] | Hi all, something I've never quite understood about apt - removal of dependencies along with the package seems unpredictable (likely it's following a logic I'm unaware of) |
| 12:29.18 | brad[] | Example: apt install qemu-system-ppc from a base install will add 66 packages, and apt autoremove qemu-system-ppc will remove 63 |
| 12:29.33 | alkisg | That's probably because they're recommended by other packages in your system |
| 12:29.41 | alkisg | (the 3 ones) |
| 12:29.49 | brad[] | alkisg: I wondered that. Is there a way to steamroll them anyway? |
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| 12:30.35 | alkisg | I don't think apt keeps a list that "package x is here because it was recommended by y" |
| 12:30.46 | alkisg | So unless you specify them manually, I can't see how |
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| 12:31.46 | alkisg | apt can see that "both y and z recommend x", but it will only remove x if you remove both y and z |
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| 12:32.03 | brad[] | Hmm. |
| 12:32.28 | brad[] | So I could conceivably configure apt to avoid installing recommends at all, though the moment I do install recommended packages I have to deal with that again |
| 12:32.29 | alkisg | You can grep apt history.log and find the packages installed, and copy them to the purge command |
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| 12:32.53 | alkisg | Debian policy says "recommended packages should be there in all common setups" |
| 12:33.00 | alkisg | So you risk breaking some apps without that |
| 12:33.04 | brad[] | nod |
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| 12:36.44 | brad[] | Silly question but if it's a recommended package and multiple packages recommend it, why wasn't it installed by the first package that recommended? |
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| 12:37.38 | TinkerTiger | There's a difference between recommended and required. :) |
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| 12:38.14 | space_race | alkisg: so is there a way to purge packages that were installed because they were recommended? |
| 12:38.47 | alkisg | space_race: purge ALL recommended but not depended packages? Why would you do that, you risk breaking a lot of stuff... |
| 12:39.36 | TinkerTiger | If one is concerned about space, then consider installing a minimalist install in the first place. Hmm? |
| 12:40.48 | alkisg | space_race: there; but really, don't do that: https://askubuntu.com/questions/351085/how-to-remove-recommended-and-suggested-dependencies-of-uninstalled-packages |
| 12:41.36 | space_race | TinkerTiger: I only choose the standard linux tool or whatever it's called in the installer, and build it from there manually |
| 12:43.00 | TinkerTiger | nods to space_race. |
| 12:43.24 | TinkerTiger | I only play with mainline because that's what I teach, well that and Raspbian. |
| 12:43.40 | brad[] | I was under the impression recommended packages weren't critical to functionality, so I'd hope to be able to be unconcerned with their removal |
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| 12:44.01 | brad[] | Though, if I had come to want to use some or all recommends of a given package, removing all of them would be no fun |
| 12:44.20 | alkisg | brad[]: no, they're not critical. But they're recommended. Some functionality is expected to disappear without them. |
| 12:44.27 | brad[] | nod |
| 12:44.42 | alkisg | E.g. some apps might hide some menus if you don't have a package they recommend |
| 12:44.47 | space_race | Depends on the software that you want |
| 12:44.57 | brad[] | so I could have more predictable functionality by always installing recommends |
| 12:45.07 | alkisg | Which is the default,yes |
| 12:45.14 | brad[] | and apt autoremove would then remove packages not otherwise depended or recommended by another |
| 12:45.15 | brad[] | hrm ok |
| 12:45.27 | alkisg | On the other hand, linuxmint ships with recommends: off, and a lot of things are broken there :) |
| 12:45.40 | space_race | For example if apt install --no-install-recommends geany, then the builtin terminal in geany doesnt work |
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| 12:46.56 | space_race | The image preview function was missing from dolphin, took me a couple weeks to notice and realise the library was under recommend and I didnt install it |
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| 12:48.53 | FinalX | Required = absolutely necessary for the program to function normally. Recommended = You really want these for the full or better experience. Suggested = not necessary at all, but nice to have. |
| 12:49.09 | FinalX | s/nice to have/might be nice to have/ |
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| 12:49.49 | FinalX | imo recommended packages should always come along or you end up with weird and/or mindboggling stuff sometimes :p |
| 12:49.53 | TinkerTiger | You know, the rest of the world uses 'optional', why create a new term? :) |
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| 12:50.44 | brad[] | huh. Are suggested packages automatically installed? |
| 12:50.50 | FinalX | No, they are not. |
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| 12:51.07 | FinalX | Recommended are, by default, on regular Debian (if you're not using regular Debian, this is not the channel for you). |
| 12:51.13 | brad[] | ok |
| 12:51.19 | brad[] | (I am) |
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| 12:52.24 | brad[] | So the scenario I'm in is: I've got a minimal install of 9.4 going, I apt installed aptitude and then apt installed qemu-system-ppc - not all rdependencies of qemu-system-ppc are removed as they're presumably recommended by aptitude as well? If so, and recommends are installed by default, why weren't they installed during the installation of aptitude? |
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| 12:53.04 | brad[] | I'm making assumptions there though. Because I'm not sure the dependencies are remaining behind because they're wanted in some way by aptitude |
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| 12:54.29 | alkisg | brad[]: run `apt-cache rdepends package` on a package to see what recommends it |
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| 12:54.42 | alkisg | Or aptitude why package |
| 12:54.55 | brad[] | But I suspect I'm on the right track because adding 'APT::AutoRemove::RecommendsImportant "false"; | |
| 12:54.55 | brad[] | APT::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant "false";' does remove all the packages installed by both (if I remove both) |
| 12:54.56 | FinalX | TinkerTiger: For the record, Yum, as opposed to APT, only has _one_ type of dependency and no way of excluding "recommended", or "suggested", because it simply doesn't have something like that. Not sure what package manager you'd be referring to with your "rest of the world uses optional". But, this is pretty much the world out there. |
| 12:55.09 | brad[] | alkisg: alright |
| 12:55.44 | brad[] | FinalX: Yeah I'm coming from yum/dnf principally where there is only that one dependency concept |
| 12:55.54 | FinalX | Also, "recommended" and "suggested" are *both* optional packages, so using "optional" would be impossible, because it'd mean both of those types. Hence the distinction. In the dictionary, however, all 3 terms are much older, even. |
| 12:55.58 | brad[] | so this adds some interesting flair |
| 12:56.21 | TinkerTiger | FinalX, I live in the real world. People don't usually say that fries are recommended with your burger, but it is one of many options. ;) |
| 12:57.01 | space_race | Perhaps suggest could be optional , and recommends could be important |
| 12:57.16 | brad[] | If I remove both packages WITHOUT those options configured, even more dependencies remain behind, so the mystery deepens. Is the base system also installed with recommends? |
| 12:57.46 | brad[] | If not, can I sweep through and install them all? |
| 12:58.01 | TinkerTiger | I have found this discussion helpful though. Just illustrates why I was going to start my next class in Spanish. |
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| 13:46.18 | tomreyn | hi. i'd like to install debian 9 with gpt partition tables. it appears the netinstall iso will default to msdos partiton tables and there is no (or none that i spotted) way to use gpt instead. how should i proceed? |
| 13:46.38 | babilen | gpt is used in uefi mode, IIRC |
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| 13:48.09 | babilen | At least every single box I installed in the last couple of years that was booted with UEFI has GPT |
| 13:48.40 | tomreyn | thanks babilen. is there a way to use gpt in legacy bios (CSM) mode? |
| 13:49.09 | babilen | Not that I know of, you have standard busybox tools available to you though and should be able to create it prior to partitioning |
| 13:49.47 | xormor | what is GPT? |
| 13:49.53 | babilen | dpkg: gpt |
| 13:49.53 | dpkg | GPT (GUID Partition Table) is a disk partition format frequently used by firmware compliant with the Extensible Firmware Interface (<EFI>). util-linux's <fdisk> does not support GPT, ask me about <parted>. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-gpt/ |
| 13:50.10 | dvs | Can't it be partitioned in GPT before the install? |
| 13:50.14 | babilen | Sure |
| 13:50.45 | babilen | That is essentially what I alluded to earlier ... |
| 13:51.04 | dvs | ah |
| 13:51.07 | xormor | how do I see if my hard drives use MBR or GPT? |
| 13:51.46 | xormor | I use Debian on all of my PC systems, including my eeepc, and my desktop computers. |
| 13:52.07 | babilen | "gdisk -l /dev/$FOO" should tell you (for example) |
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| 13:55.00 | xormor | babilen, thanks. what does this mean? ---> "MBR: protective" |
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| 13:55.46 | xormor | this I understand: "GPT: present" |
| 13:56.07 | xormor | "Found valid GPT with protective MBR; using GPT." |
| 13:56.27 | xormor | what do you other people think that "protective MBR" means? |
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| 14:02.18 | GreatEmerald | So how does multiarch work? If I try to install anything from amd64, it tries to install libc6:amd64, which needs libgcc1, which needs gcc-8-base, which tries to uninstall everything |
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| 14:11.38 | Voldenet | xormor: it's just the plain, old MBR, but in GPT terminology |
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| 14:13.53 | Voldenet | and contains one, big GPT-typed partition |
| 14:14.07 | Voldenet | for the tools that don't know what's gpt |
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| 14:17.49 | dvs | xormor, it means that it is GPT partitions but it emulates MBR partitions (i.e. partitions cannot be modified using MBR means) |
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| 14:19.04 | epergny | I'm running stretch on a machine back since when stretch was still in alpha. Is there anything I need to do have a "non alpha" stretch besides the usual "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"? |
| 14:20.35 | dvs | epergny, apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 14:22.28 | epergny | hmmm so to go from "stretch alpha" to "stretch" I need to dist-upgrade. That seems a bit weird but I should know better by now. |
| 14:23.04 | GreatEmerald | Also, I am geting certificate errors in Arora |
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| 14:23.13 | dvs | Just in case new packages need to be installed |
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| 14:24.37 | epergny | gotcha gotcha |
| 14:26.00 | GreatEmerald | But I have ca-certificates installed, so why would it report failures? |
| 14:26.03 | shtrb|work | does lsusb webcam width/height influence vlc or any other player ? (v4l2 report 640x480 but lsusb report 1028x720 but vlc only read as 640x480) |
| 14:26.26 | shtrb|work | sorry wrong channel |
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| 14:31.33 | GreatEmerald | curl seems to verify certs fine |
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| 14:35.21 | `whoami` | Hello, I'm trying to set up a minimal X server to watch some movies on my TV, I've got my X environment loaded (i3-wm is starting just fine), but when I ssh to that machine and try DISPLAY=:0 somecommand, I get "Can't open display :0"; when I physically go to that machine and do echo $DISPLAY it echoes :0.0 - I also tried DISPLAY=:0.0 thecommand, same error - do you have any clue ? |
| 14:36.25 | `whoami` | I worked just fine few moments ago, but I had to uninstall a lot of stuff to save space (it's a 2Gb disk drive...); so I probably removed something "important", but can't figure out what |
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| 14:36.36 | epergny | `whoami`: is that a permission issue? "export DISPLAY=:0" you mean? |
| 14:37.22 | shtrb|work | did you forgot to pass ssh -X user@server ? |
| 14:37.57 | GreatEmerald | This seems to be something related to Qt |
| 14:38.01 | shtrb|work | and you may need to give permission to access (xhost ) if you are using a different user than the one running X session |
| 14:38.10 | shtrb|work | `whoami`, ^ |
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| 14:38.47 | `whoami` | ho damn |
| 14:38.57 | shtrb|work | ? |
| 14:39.14 | epergny | `whoami`: yup, damn, what? it's working now? |
| 14:39.17 | `whoami` | you're right, I'm not running the x session as the same user /o\ |
| 14:39.41 | `whoami` | apologies... that's so obvious now :D |
| 14:39.58 | epergny | `whoami`: warning, it's not secure but "xhost +localhost" or even "xhost +" and, while trooblesohoting, you may want to remove "--no-listen tcp" to |
| 14:40.01 | epergny | too even |
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| 14:40.34 | shtrb|work | `whoami`,the best is to use the same user (X session + login session ) |
| 14:40.39 | `whoami` | Yeah I just modified the "auto login user" in slim. It's working fine now ! |
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| 14:41.09 | shtrb|work | !next |
| 14:41.09 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 14:41.14 | `whoami` | indeed :) |
| 14:41.16 | epergny | nice! |
| 14:41.23 | `whoami` | thanks both :) |
| 14:41.48 | shtrb|work | I know it's not related , but anyone have a clue about my v4l question ? |
| 14:43.50 | epergny | shtrb|work: zero clue. And while we're off-topic, I'm nearly 100% positive that playing a 1080p encoded movie on my 720p projector gives better results (less encoding artefacts) than the same movie encoded in 720p. |
| 14:44.41 | shtrb|work | I'm getting only 640x480 from a "HD cam" :-( |
| 14:44.53 | epergny | shtrb|work: now that's old school. |
| 14:46.26 | shtrb|work | I'm thinking about strapping an arduino to do record 5 seconds , save file , transfer as mass media , find a way to merge files and play :-( |
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| 14:48.22 | epergny | shtrb|work: at least @ 640x480 movie files aren't going to be too big. Family here keeps taking short movies with their fancy smartphones in kinda hi-def format and because I'm the computer guy "I have to make sure to backup all these little family movies". |
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| 14:48.59 | shtrb|work | Did you get yourself a debian cd server ? |
| 14:49.27 | shtrb|work | I have seen somewhere a project that would eject the drive, put a cd, burn , eject and put the cd in a box |
| 14:49.42 | epergny | shtrb|work: looool |
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| 14:50.07 | shtrb|work | 100 dvd is what ? $20 euro , totally worth it |
| 14:50.17 | epergny | shtrb|work: problem is in big part "file duplication", accross not just single HD but also across many devices. |
| 14:50.39 | shtrb|work | dedup ! |
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| 14:50.42 | shtrb|work | !dedup |
| 14:50.50 | shtrb|work | dpkg tell epergny about dedup |
| 14:50.59 | epergny | shtrb|work: I'm going termonuclear on that one |
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| 14:51.29 | shtrb|work | epergny, in that case no backup will be left |
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| 14:54.41 | shtrb|work | epergny, http://blog.tinyenormous.com/2009/09/28/cd-robot-v-2-0-adding-serial-control-to-an-old-scsi-cd-duplicator/ just use debian for that |
| 14:55.00 | epergny | lol |
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| 14:55.44 | codydh | Hello! I just installed Debian on my MacBook Pro and also installed GNOME. I'm currently showing ~29W on powertop with only Terminal and Polair open. The Tunables section lists a bunch of things that are configured in a "bad" state. Are there any 'easy' steps I can take to improve this? Packages I can install? |
| 14:55.49 | epergny | shtrb|work: I should use that to do something else: put one audio CD in the drive, rip it to FLAC for posterity, put the next one in. Then rip all my CDs from the 80s and 90s. |
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| 14:56.08 | shtrb|work | epergny, just imagine the faces of your family when they see that robot http://blog.tinyenormous.com/2009/06/17/arduino-powered-cd-changing-arm/ |
| 14:56.28 | shtrb|work | epergny, you have cd's from 1980s ?! didn't they got inveneted in the 1990s ? |
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| 14:56.47 | epergny | shtrb|work: nah |
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| 14:57.08 | shtrb|work | codydh, the "bad" and "good" are about power consumption |
| 14:57.34 | codydh | shtrb|work: My impression is that it was about configurations? I have things like "NMI watchdog should be turned off" and "VM writeback timeout" |
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| 14:59.22 | shtrb|work | nmi is usefull during lockups (if you had any, it will unlock you) |
| 14:59.30 | epergny | shtrb|work: audio CDs were succesful and seen everywhere before data CDs were a thing (as far as I remember my teenage years). |
| 15:00.07 | shtrb|work | codydh, I don't have a mac and I have no idea what that could do to your laptop |
| 15:00.09 | codydh | shtrb|work: Sure, point taken, I guess I'm just wondering if there's any more broad optimization I could do. I seem to recall seeing mention (perhaps for some other distribution) of installing a package with power tweaks or something. |
| 15:01.02 | codydh | Ah, I think TLP is what I ran across |
| 15:01.19 | r3 | The first popular music CD produced at the new factory was The Visitors (1981) by ABBA. |
| 15:01.28 | shtrb|work | There are power tweeks packages in debian (laptop-tools, thermald etc) |
| 15:02.02 | epergny | shtrb|work: say this, 1985: https://www.discogs.com/Dire-Straits-Brothers-In-Arms/release/5545485 |
| 15:02.02 | r3 | epergny: I've used EAC for eactly that reason, ripping hundreds of CDs - it's boring. |
| 15:02.47 | epergny | r3: ah you! Yup I know it's boring: got the same issue. How long would you say it takes on average to do a 100% bit-perfect accurate rip of one CD? |
| 15:02.49 | r3 | veers way off topic, gets a grip, comes back |
| 15:03.09 | shtrb|work | Vinyl and casts for the masses ! |
| 15:03.09 | r3 | hmmm - 21 minutes? |
| 15:03.14 | epergny | r3: it's not OT. It's a major SNAFU to get accurate rips to work correctly on Debian. |
| 15:03.31 | r3 | which is why I used EAC in Windows :\ |
| 15:03.32 | GreatEmerald | This seems to be something related to Qtqt |
| 15:03.38 | epergny | r3: unless you run EAC in a Windows VM... |
| 15:03.42 | GreatEmerald | Hm, what is responsible for SSL cert validation in Qt?* |
| 15:03.45 | epergny | which is kinda... weird. |
| 15:03.58 | epergny | r3: oh ok, 21 minutes not too bad. I was thinking it was more like one hour. |
| 15:04.17 | r3 | and I think you want EAC to be able to talk to the CDROM hardware directly (I thought it does) rather than a driver that is one step removed |
| 15:04.38 | epergny | r3: see, you should have build that robotic arm that shtrb|work linked to! : ) |
| 15:04.43 | r3 | epergny: I am totally guessing, I could try it now - I have EAC installed and a CD around somewhere |
| 15:05.08 | r3 | not an hour, not any more, with faster PCs. If it is really scratched, maybe takes a lot of time due to retries |
| 15:05.12 | epergny | r3: talk to the CD hardware directly for speed or for correctness? For correctness as long as you've found the offset and use the accurate rip DB, you know if your rip is correct or not right? |
| 15:05.21 | epergny | r3: gotcha |
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| 15:05.33 | shtrb|work | will stretch even be able to handle ATA cds ? |
| 15:05.37 | shtrb|work | *cd-rom |
| 15:05.49 | r3 | epergny: I would think correctness and being able to "smooth over" rough spots in the media? I really am no expert. |
| 15:06.19 | epergny | r3: same here... Not an expert. Just have a huge collection of CDs I'd like to rip. Although I'm fine with torrenting too. |
| 15:07.35 | epergny | I still burn an .iso (the net inst iso) every time I install Debian. I'm oldschool. |
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| 15:08.55 | shtrb|work | why not a usb or pxe ? |
| 15:09.12 | r3 | I think with EAC you can go faster with less error correction/compression or slower with more error correction/compression. I would really have to look. It has been some time. Of course, my collection still exists on hundreds of CDs that I haven't gotten to yet |
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| 15:09.48 | shtrb|work | codydh, beware of thermal damage in laptops |
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| 15:09.57 | epergny | shtrb|work: I like the write-once-then-it-s-read-only thinggy. I do verify the .iso 's cryptographic checksum then I re-create the .iso from the disk to be sure the checksum is correct. That I like. |
| 15:10.35 | epergny | shtrb|work: something I don't like is, for example, when I "dd" a Raspbian image to a Micro-SD card and then the simple act of plugging the SD card on an OS X computer modifies the content of the SD card. |
| 15:10.39 | codydh | shtrb|work: Anything in particular I should be concerned about? I thought the damage prevention logic was mostly OS-agnostic? |
| 15:11.10 | shtrb|work | codydh, "damage" like battery heat block is firmware dependnant |
| 15:11.17 | epergny | shtrb|work: but yeah, pxe is on my "to learn" list since like 5 years. So much stuff to learn. |
| 15:11.28 | r3 | epergny: can't you slide the read-only tab over so it doesn't get read? |
| 15:11.47 | epergny | r3: not on micro SD like those that go into Raspberry Pi I think. |
| 15:11.49 | r3 | (and also look for a setting on the OS X to knock that shit off) |
| 15:11.55 | shtrb|work | codydh, battery will stop you at X C but that will force you to replace it , working on above a thershold reduce battery life |
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| 15:12.16 | r3 | epergny: I had luck using an adapter from the microSD to SD that had the write-protect tab) |
| 15:12.22 | epergny | r3: I mean, I could... But what I meant is: with a write-once CD (or DVD), you're sure... |
| 15:12.28 | codydh | shtrb|work: I gotcha. Yeah, this does seem a bit fraught, I'm barely doing anything on this machine and it's definitely running much warmer than it does on macOS. |
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| 15:13.26 | shtrb|work | Check thermald (read the docs before installing !) |
| 15:13.32 | epergny | r3: but the "OS X modifies the content of the SD card just by plugging it in"... It took me hours to understand what was going on. I was sure I was getting "MITM" attacked at first. Not understanding why checksum would never match when I tried to read it back : ) |
| 15:13.55 | r3 | I have thousands of CDs (all classical) that I still have yet to rip. |
| 15:13.55 | codydh | shtrb|work: Will do, thank you! |
| 15:14.01 | epergny | r3: wow! |
| 15:14.17 | epergny | r3: you bought them all new or acquired them used? |
| 15:14.20 | shtrb|work | r3, and do you check they didn't rot or something ? |
| 15:14.23 | r3 | most are rare or hard to find imports. All new. |
| 15:14.55 | r3 | shtrb|work: they're in a cool dry dark place, and last time I looked (several years ago) they were just fine. |
| 15:14.56 | epergny | shtrb|work: when you rip them with modern software rippers, the rips are automatically with an online DB of other people who did rip them too. So if you're rip is 100% bit-perfect / accurate, you know it. |
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| 15:15.18 | r3 | epergny: that's the problems with a lot of these, that they don't exist in those databases |
| 15:15.31 | epergny | shtrb|work: and it's a major PITA to do because the labels didn't want CD audio to ever be perfectly ripped. |
| 15:15.37 | shtrb|work | I'm not saying anything about the rip, I'm talking about cds and other media rot (litterly rot) |
| 15:16.13 | epergny | r3: so start filling the DB! : ) |
| 15:16.13 | shtrb|work | physical decomposition and material damage (hope it's more clear) |
| 15:16.50 | epergny | shtrb|work: these rippers do try many fancy things when there's rot. I can literally take from 1x to 10x the time in case a part of the CD is hard to read. |
| 15:16.50 | webunicorn | who uses CDs anyway? :P |
| 15:16.58 | webunicorn | ExactAudioCopy (EAC) is nice |
| 15:17.04 | r3 | what's putting me off ripping all of them is that I want to preserve the CD jackets. So I got a nice scanner, but that is SO time consuming!! |
| 15:17.13 | epergny | webunicorn: not many, that's why we try to rip them to 100% bit-perfect FLAC files ; ) |
| 15:17.30 | epergny | r3: I bet so! |
| 15:17.36 | shtrb|work | I think in few years we could rip them using imaging software |
| 15:17.44 | epergny | r3: in any case, don't throw them away once you're done : ) |
| 15:17.44 | webunicorn | r3: couldn't you ask nicely the manufacturer or distributor for a nice original PDF of that jacket? |
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| 15:18.02 | r3 | webunicorn: for a CD that was made 25 years ago? |
| 15:18.28 | webunicorn | r3: oh |
| 15:18.38 | webunicorn | r3: well, then scan it nicely :D |
| 15:18.45 | webunicorn | would it be legal to upload it? |
| 15:19.07 | shtrb|work | no |
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| 15:19.11 | epergny | webunicorn: in most countries no |
| 15:19.28 | epergny | <-- swears he only uses his Debian systems for fully legal things |
| 15:19.31 | shtrb|work | soon people would get scratch cards to connect to the network :D |
| 15:19.42 | shtrb|work | Debian just works |
| 15:19.55 | webunicorn | shtrb|work: why not just a public hotspot or a flatrate? |
| 15:20.00 | webunicorn | scratch cards? |
| 15:20.07 | webunicorn | seems outdated like cdroms |
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| 15:21.49 | epergny | webunicorn: they're outdated kinda in the same way old books are outdated. And ripping audio CDs is not unlike scanning and archiving old books. There's data on these CDs and some people want to preserve that. |
| 15:22.02 | dgriffi | musicbrainz does a nice job of preserving cover art and the like |
| 15:22.13 | webunicorn | epergny: yes, this is good! preserve everything you can, what goes into internet should stay there forever |
| 15:22.15 | shtrb|work | There was a news story that people would need to prove they are over 18 |
| 15:22.58 | epergny | also I'm pretty sure there are stupid regulations / legislation left and right mandating the use of CDs/DVDs in certain cases. The medical world is full of such silly requirements/rules/legislation. |
| 15:24.28 | r3 | let's see, a quick look at the database, I have 3437 CDs that haven't been burned. |
| 15:25.02 | epergny | r3: man seriously? Just wow. I've got like 200 altogether. Respect! |
| 15:25.32 | epergny | r3: at 10 per day you're done in less than a year! |
| 15:25.46 | r3 | that's one way to look at it, epergny - I hadn't thought of that. |
| 15:26.01 | epergny | r3: so I take it you've got quite the stereo amp/speakers right? |
| 15:26.35 | r3 | they're all classical, as I said, and most have really nice jackets/inserts. I would hate to just throw those out. |
| 15:26.47 | r3 | epergny: I once did, a nice rack system, it's well dated now. |
| 15:27.06 | r3 | ...and WAY off topic again, sorry all. We can take it elsewhere. |
| 15:27.32 | GreatEmerald | Hm, what is responsible for SSL cert validation in Qt? |
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| 15:29.02 | r3 | ah that count isn't accurate, there are duplicates - probably closer to 2700 - sorry - will update the database now to fix that |
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| 15:37.25 | GreatEmerald | Hm, I guess that would be libqt5network5 |
| 15:37.56 | GreatEmerald | But then why does it think all certs are invalid |
| 15:38.46 | somiaj | GreatEmerald: isn't that the libary you made a custom version of? It was pointed out to you that x32 really isn't supported here. |
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| 15:39.28 | shtrb|work | GreatEmerald, did you check they valid ? |
| 15:39.44 | GreatEmerald | somiaj: That was not QtNetwork, no |
| 15:40.16 | GreatEmerald | shtrb|work: They are valid, it errors out even on Let's Encrypt certs |
| 15:40.28 | somiaj | ahh, still anyways, you should be asking for support in the x32 channel. That port could have issues that are no reproducible on offical ports. |
| 15:40.47 | GreatEmerald | " |
| 15:40.47 | GreatEmerald | The issuer certificate of a locally looked up certificate could not be found |
| 15:40.49 | GreatEmerald | " |
| 15:40.50 | epergny | r3: nice, only 9 months needed @ 10 per day then ; ) |
| 15:40.58 | shtrb|work | GreatEmerald, can you download one and use openssl to verify it ? it could as simple as a CA not trusted or intermediate missing |
| 15:41.02 | GreatEmerald | somiaj: And I'll never get a response ;) |
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| 15:41.17 | shtrb|work | GreatEmerald, are you using debian 32 bit ? |
| 15:41.27 | GreatEmerald | shtrb|work: x32, that's not 32bit |
| 15:41.28 | epergny | r3: and only about an additional 800 GB. Not too bad. |
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| 15:41.35 | somiaj | GreatEmerald: #debian only supports offical oprts. |
| 15:41.56 | somiaj | shtrb|work: they are using an unoffical port, basically a 64bit with extra options designed to use less memory called x32 |
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| 15:42.19 | shtrb|work | got it now, and missed the x upfront |
| 15:42.49 | somiaj | yea, got me the first time too, hence why contiunlly to ask questsions here is only going to add confusion, als GreatEmerald has been told this before by other ops of the channel. |
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| 15:43.09 | GreatEmerald | Again, these are not necessarily anything to do with x32 |
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| 15:43.49 | shtrb|work | GreatEmerald, if your port did the bad job packaging NSS/openssl/gnutls you will get intellectually chalenged failures (so are missing data in packages) |
| 15:43.52 | somiaj | GreatEmerald: it could be somethign with that port, it could not be, we aren't here to try to figure that out. Please respect the policy of this channel to support offical ports and stable. |
| 15:44.19 | shtrb|work | GreatEmerald, the easit thing I would do would be to get the intermediate packages and the CA manually install them and check it |
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| 15:44.34 | GreatEmerald | Perhaps. But I could just as well be missing a package. That's why I'm asking. |
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| 15:45.25 | GreatEmerald | I don't know much about Debian in the first place, so it might be a general issue and nothing to do with x32 |
| 15:45.42 | GreatEmerald | Like the other issue I'm having: I just don't know how to install multiarch |
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| 15:48.19 | GreatEmerald | If I try to install something, it requires libc6:amd64, which pulls in gcc-8-base:amd64 |
| 15:48.45 | GreatEmerald | And somehow apt wants to remove everything if I try to install that |
| 15:49.16 | epergny | this page says "For the stable distribution (stretch), these problems have been fixed in version 4.9.88-1+deb9u1. " |
| 15:49.26 | epergny | how do I know if I'm running 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 ? |
| 15:50.10 | epergny | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade tells me everything is up to date |
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| 15:50.11 | shtrb|work | epergny, apt-cache policy package-name |
| 15:50.59 | epergny | shtrb|work: and what would be the package name here? |
| 15:51.33 | shtrb|work | the one that you are seeing that text (or give us the link and we could have that infomration ) |
| 15:51.34 | r3 | cat /proc/version would tell you what version of Debian? |
| 15:51.46 | epergny | shtrb|work: erf sorry: https://www.debian.org/security/2018/dsa-4196 |
| 15:51.56 | epergny | shtrb|work: it's the recent kernel security issue |
| 15:52.36 | shtrb|work | epergny, uname -r |
| 15:52.59 | epergny | shtrb|work: gives back 4.9.0-6-amd64 |
| 15:52.59 | r3 | or uname -a |
| 15:53.11 | epergny | ah yup |
| 15:53.13 | epergny | "uname -a" |
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| 15:53.20 | epergny | Linux meshnovo 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 |
| 15:53.22 | epergny | k k |
| 15:53.26 | epergny | so I'm good |
| 15:54.16 | epergny | was a bit confused with "4.9.0-6" and "4.9.88-1+deb9u1" |
| 15:55.00 | epergny | how comes I don't get 4.9.88-1 when doing "uname -r" or how comes "uname -a" shows both 4.9.0-6 and 4.9.88-1? |
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| 15:55.47 | somiaj | epergny: uname -a states current kernel |
| 15:56.09 | somiaj | epergny: 4.9.0-6 is the ABI revsion, and 4.9.88-1 is the actual kernel version |
| 15:56.18 | r3 | -r, --kernel-release: print the kernel release |
| 15:57.15 | r3 | epergny: see https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/coreutils/uname.1.en.html |
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| 16:08.49 | epergny | thanks guys |
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| 16:13.43 | msiism | hi, i've just installed debian 9.4 on a laptop and run into problems with running multiple X sessions. |
| 16:14.16 | msiism | when i log in on tty1 and then startx, ten log in on tty2 and startx there as well, it still works fine. |
| 16:14.51 | msiism | but when i exit the xserver on tty2 and then log out of tty2, my display turns black and the system freezes. |
| 16:17.42 | msiism | whether the xserver is run with setuid root or not, does not make a difference there. |
| 16:18.42 | msiism | i've found a debian bug reporting quite similar issues that doesn't seem to have been fixed yet: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=834270 |
| 16:18.44 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/834270 in xorg (open): «xorg: logging out of shell on vt2 crashes X on vt1»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-08-13; last modified: 2016-09-28. |
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| 16:20.37 | msiism | so, this is a pretty severe bug, if you ask me. is someone working on this or is it an upstream issue? it completely breaks my workflow. |
| 16:23.32 | mnuhmnuh | huh. not being able to run concurrent x sessions is catastrophic fail. who knew? |
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| 16:23.56 | r3 | almost sounds like a video driver issue |
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| 16:26.34 | msiism | r3: ok, i've got a second laptop with different (non-intel) graphics hardware. let me put debian 9.4 on that one as well and see if i can reproduce the problem. |
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| 16:31.58 | r3 | hrm that seems like a good test |
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| 16:33.35 | mnuhmnuh | r3: why does "logging out of shell on vt2 crashes X on vt1" == video driver (obviously?) to you? i'd just as easily blame config + complexity first. |
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| 16:37.27 | r3 | "display turns black and the system freezes" - from experience, it sounds like badly behaved drivers contesting memory or attempting to clear resources that are, in fact, being used elsewhere. |
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| 16:38.31 | mnuhmnuh | msiism: do you see any log entries (journalctl et al) babbling about what's happening when this happens? |
| 16:39.27 | msiism | mnuhmnuh: no, i see nothing at all there. but i could have a look into xorgs log files. |
| 16:40.14 | GreatEmerald | Hm, looks like in order to get multiarch working with gcc-8-base, the release version needs to match as well? |
| 16:40.15 | r3 | you've multiple processes, protected mode memory access (or similar) for each shell, I would think, but then only one video resource. If the driver isn't handling the resource sharing well, it could freak out the whole system, pointers to addresses that have been freed, or who knows. |
| 16:41.06 | GreatEmerald | I have 8.1.0-3 and 8.1.0-1 |
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| 16:42.11 | epergny | msiism: are you sure it freezes or is it just the display that's frozen? In the past, on 32 bits system, there used to a very convenient that'd reset the display. You could call it remotely by, say, SSH. And then it'd unfreeze the system. |
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| 16:43.01 | epergny | msiism: there are also the MagicSysRQ shortcuts |
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| 16:43.36 | epergny | msiism: it's been I long time I haven't used these because everything is so stable now but this used to saved my days often in the past : ) |
| 16:44.46 | msiism | epergny: ok, let me burn the cd for my older laptop and then i can check that out. |
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| 16:47.26 | r3 | Net Install or USB drive? How old is this laptop?! ;) I haven't burnt a CD for an install in years! |
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| 16:47.34 | epergny | msiism: it's been a while so I don't remember the gory details but I'm 100% positive I could unlock frozen X using SysMagicRQ and then resetting the GPU by typing "in the dark" or over SSH. But, yeah, I used to run several X sessions back in the days. I clearly remember on CRT monitors I was running several X simultaneously at various screen size. |
| 16:47.52 | r3 | but, as epergny said, some of us old timers have habits that die hard and are a part of our process |
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| 16:48.13 | epergny | missim: yeah, I burnt the Debian 9.4.0 netinst CD a few days ago : ) |
| 16:49.21 | msiism | r3: the machine is not able to boot from usb. but'll use the cd to do a netinstall. |
| 16:49.24 | epergny | msiism: note that maybe running virtual X servers could work for you too |
| 16:50.10 | msiism | epergny: i though, if it "feezes", i could try to switch to an unused tty blindly, log in as root and then run "reboot" and see what happens. |
| 16:50.14 | mnuhmnuh | epergny: geez, just get a 8gb usbkey and "cp blah.iso /dev/sdX" - re-usable, works great. |
| 16:51.00 | r3 | msiism: so it is of that era, I understand. Proceed. ;) |
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| 16:52.35 | epergny | mnuhmnuh: I've got a fetishist thing for things that are physically write-once then read-only. |
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| 16:53.22 | msiism | epergny: i'm using cd-rw, though. |
| 16:53.23 | epergny | mnuhmnuh: so as I explained a while ago here: I can re-create the iso from the CD/DVD I just burned and see if the ISO matches the cryptographic checksum signed by the Debian team. |
| 16:53.33 | mnuhmnuh | epergny: me too, but i hate how much of what i've done has gone on to landfills. :-| |
| 16:53.47 | epergny | mnuhmnuh: I could do it with a USB key but then I'd need to re-verify the checksum all the time. |
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| 16:54.51 | mnuhmnuh | epergny: look into jigdo; does all the grotty for you. |
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| 16:56.54 | mnuhmnuh | wait, check sum on what? the bootable image on usbkey? why would that change? how long's that take anyway? |
| 16:57.14 | msiism | ok, the old cd burner on my main system just broke... using another one. |
| 16:57.20 | epergny | msiism: lol |
| 16:57.33 | mnuhmnuh | been there, ... |
| 16:57.42 | epergny | mnuhmnuh: dark side haxx0rz. That's why it'd change. |
| 16:57.55 | epergny | mnuhmnuh: like: why are .iso even signed by the Debian team? |
| 16:58.48 | epergny | of course with MacBook Air and not even the possibility of putting a CD in the point is moot ^ ^ |
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| 16:58.57 | epergny | (just an example) |
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| 16:59.52 | mnuhmnuh | epergny: 'cause neutrinos! there's 17 kinds of them and they're always threatening to bit flip some 1 0r 0. |
| 17:00.52 | mnuhmnuh | unsuspecting 1 or 0. |
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| 17:02.30 | `whoami` | what, you can create a bootable usb key using cp ? I've always used dd to do that |
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| 17:03.02 | mnuhmnuh | dark side haxx0rz are a myth. they're really all off trying to flummox banks, atms, and iot, not your cheapie 32 bit handhelp pos. |
| 17:03.31 | mnuhmnuh | s/handhelp/handheld/ |
| 17:03.44 | RM982 | I want to uninstall some gnome stuff I don't use like evolution, I do apt remove evolution* and apt says it will also remove gnome-shell, gdm3 and other unrelated packages, why is that? |
| 17:04.33 | epergny | mnuhmnuh: 'em neutrinos too! Darn bit flips. |
| 17:04.59 | mnuhmnuh | RM982: old story; remove cups, and it takes the rest of the system with it. |
| 17:05.41 | RM982 | but why? |
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| 17:07.01 | mnuhmnuh | RM982: only solution: only install what you want. tell the installer to only do base system, then drag in what you want manually; that works, but you need to know what you're doing. |
| 17:08.04 | mnuhmnuh | RM982: dependencies the packaging system needs to abide by. |
| 17:08.49 | mnuhmnuh | RM982: X, then *DM + X + window mgr + ... |
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| 17:09.06 | epergny | mnuhmnuh: they're after my cryptocurrencies man, they're after it! |
| 17:10.10 | RM982 | mnuhmnuh: that sucks, I can't even imagine how is that the display manager depends on a freaking calendary |
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| 17:10.58 | RM982 | is it that bad with every packages manager or just APT? |
| 17:11.45 | msiism | RM982: it's more a question of what upstream and packaging make depend on what, afaik. |
| 17:12.04 | epergny | RM982: Gnome is quite the kitchen sink IMO. I just run a tiling WM and don't bother with icons and stuff. "apt-get install awesome awesome-extra". |
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| 17:16.11 | kot | also, uninstalling components of metapackages can make using autoremove very dangerous. but bloated de's like gnome and kde have their own absurd dependency problems. |
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| 17:43.35 | NetTerminalGene | does snap app compatible with stretch? |
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| 17:44.19 | somiaj | NetTerminalGene: snap apps I belive are statically linked and should work on any linux distro (that is there design) and stretch has snapd to install them. |
| 17:44.35 | somiaj | NetTerminalGene: though the actually snap packages are not supported by debian, and if they don't work, you'll have to report bugs to the creater of the package. |
| 17:45.29 | NetTerminalGene | i read that they found cryptominer in ubuntu snapp store |
| 17:45.52 | NetTerminalGene | in some application |
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| 17:46.10 | somiaj | again, these are not part of debian, you have to put your turst in some third party. |
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| 17:50.39 | bites | because anyone can create and upload snap packages and they are not checked. |
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| 17:55.08 | msiism | r3, mnuhmnuh, epergny: testing running two X sessions on a laptop with non-intel graphics hardware results in exactly the behavior that has been reported in debian bug #834270. |
| 17:55.09 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/834270 in xorg (open): «xorg: logging out of shell on vt2 crashes X on vt1»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-08-13; last modified: 2016-09-28. |
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| 17:55.48 | msiism | so, it seems with the intel hw, there might be a driver bug on top if that. |
| 17:56.30 | somiaj | msiism: it is prefered you ask testing/unstable question in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:57.04 | AlexPortable | I'm trying to share a folder (/opt/test/) inside a chroot, but I don't have that much luck.. mounted it with bind, but the folder just seems to be empty |
| 17:57.29 | msiism | somiaj: if i'm not mistaken, debian 9 is stable, isn't it? |
| 17:57.48 | somiaj | msiism: oh sorry, I thought you were running testing. |
| 17:58.00 | msiism | somiaj: ok, np. |
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| 17:59.03 | epergny | msiism: and does it only crash X or freeze your screen? And if it freezes your screen, can you still SSH in? |
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| 17:59.14 | epergny | msiism: or more simply: does the machine still answer to ping |
| 17:59.22 | msiism | epergny: it only crashed X now. |
| 17:59.33 | somiaj | msiism: anyways, this seems to be a fairly specific bug, with little info. You could try to add to it, and due to how specific it is, it may not warnent a fix in stretch. Does this happen if you say use gdm or some other method to launch multiple xessions (not using startx)? |
| 17:59.35 | epergny | msiism: so you can relaunch X without restarting the machine? |
| 18:00.26 | msiism | somiaj: tbh, i think this is actually a relese critical bug, ind i'm indeed a bit stunned that it would occur in a debian stable release (no offense). |
| 18:00.34 | epergny | msiism: you're scaring me now. I don't dare to try (12 "awesome WM" workspaces here, with lots of stuff open). |
| 18:01.21 | epergny | msiism: wait, what about VT3? |
| 18:02.01 | msiism | epergny: let me check |
| 18:02.03 | epergny | msiism: ok you got me, I'm trying on my laptop |
| 18:02.14 | msiism | epergny: thanks |
| 18:02.43 | somiaj | msiism: I wouldn't call it an rc bug as it only affects a rare use case, and I wouldn't want such a bug preventing the release. Have you tried a newer kernel? And are you using the modesetting driver or the intel driver in xorg? |
| 18:03.21 | somiaj | msiism: note, not all rc bugs can be fixed in a reasonable amount of time, though unsure why this one didn't get much attention, again it just might be that not many run multiple xsessions this way. |
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| 18:03.49 | epergny | msiism: cannot reproduce. a) I start X from VT1 b) I do (as root) "chvt 2" c) I log in to vt2 (same user account that started x) d) I exit vt2 |
| 18:03.55 | epergny | msiism: this brings me back to X |
| 18:04.01 | epergny | msiism: not VT1 btw |
| 18:04.02 | mnuhmnuh | msiism: "non-intel graphics hardware" == "nvidia", or are there alternatives? [i avoid nvidia (not a gamer; don't need).] |
| 18:04.10 | epergny | OUCH |
| 18:04.12 | epergny | frak no |
| 18:04.23 | epergny | msiism: this brought me back to X but it's actually frozen too! |
| 18:04.25 | epergny | msiism: wow |
| 18:04.27 | epergny | wow |
| 18:04.28 | somiaj | msiism: anyways, if you find more info about this bug, please add to teh bug report. |
| 18:04.39 | epergny | I can reproduce |
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| 18:04.48 | msiism | somiaj: i believe i'm using the ati driver on the laptop i'm currently on, since it has an ati radeon graphics card. |
| 18:04.59 | somiaj | epergny: did you log completely out of vt2, I think tehre might be another bug in play, let me see if I can find it |
| 18:05.00 | epergny | msiism: machine still working fine that said... |
| 18:05.23 | epergny | somiaj: just typed "exit" and it brought me back to X, thought it was working, but X is frozen. |
| 18:05.30 | epergny | but I'm still SSH'ed in |
| 18:05.36 | msiism | epergny: same here with the older laptop. just X crashed. |
| 18:05.53 | somiaj | epergny: there was a bug in testing/unstable where even just exiting from bash caused this issue, wonder if that is the actual culprit, and there are ways to stop this. |
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| 18:06.07 | epergny | msiism: it's frozen in my case, but I can just kill it using SSH |
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| 18:06.54 | somiaj | there is some script that gets run when bash exits, that seems to mess with xorg |
| 18:07.17 | somiaj | well when bash exits and is running on a tty, trying to track downt he issue |
| 18:07.33 | epergny | ok more info... logging in to VT2 as root and then typing exit leaves me at the VT2 prompt. |
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| 18:08.56 | epergny | and then I can ctrl+alt+F1 to X just fine and it's not frozen. |
| 18:09.39 | msiism | epergny: does it behave any different if you run X with setuid root? |
| 18:09.42 | somiaj | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=801518 -- wonder if this is related, are you using the no-setuid xorg, can you reproduce it if you use the xorg-legacy server? |
| 18:09.43 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/801518 in xserver-xorg (open): «xserver-xorg: Display freezes with two X servers, switching TTYs no longer possible»; severity: important; opened: 2015-10-11; last modified: 2016-02-26. |
| 18:09.48 | epergny | ok apparently logging in to VT2 as any user besides root and then typing "exit" sends me back to a frozen X. |
| 18:10.14 | epergny | but logging to VT2 as root and then typing "exit" leaves me at VT2, with X still fine if I ctrl+alt+F1 to it. |
| 18:10.18 | somiaj | yea, still trying to track down the bug, bash has a command that gets run when it exits in a tty that is the culprit, and you can prvent this. But having trouble finding it. |
| 18:10.38 | msiism | somiaj: ok, interesting. |
| 18:10.39 | epergny | judd: I've got only one X server running though. |
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| 18:11.16 | epergny | how do I test with xorg-legacy? |
| 18:11.25 | somiaj | !setuid xorg |
| 18:11.53 | epergny | apt-get install xserver-xorg-legacy |
| 18:11.53 | epergny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.59 | msiism | or you could edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.conf |
| 18:12.04 | somiaj | !xorg root |
| 18:12.04 | dpkg | From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards (xorg-server 1.17.3-1), the Xorg server is no longer setuid root, reducing the risk of privilege escalation security problems. This relies on logind and libpam-systemd and moves the logs to ~/.local/share/xorg; use the xserver-xorg-legacy package and see Xwrapper.config(5) if you'd rather a setuid root X. |
| 18:12.42 | msiism | to contain "needs_root_rights=yes" |
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| 18:12.53 | epergny | so I just apt-get and relaunch X doing "startx"? |
| 18:13.15 | msiism | epergny: no apt-get involved, afaik. |
| 18:13.42 | msiism | try "dpkg -l xserver-xorg-legacy" |
| 18:13.48 | somiaj | arg, I wish I could find the issue with bash. There is some hook that when bash exits a tty it runs a command that 'refreshes' the display, and this seems to cause xorg to crash, you can disable this, but I can't find it. |
| 18:13.50 | epergny | Trying apt-cache search xorg-legacy |
| 18:13.50 | epergny | xserver-xorg-legacy - setuid root Xorg server wrapper |
| 18:14.00 | epergny | somiaj: yup that'd be interesting to test |
| 18:14.02 | dgriffi | anyone remember svgalib? |
| 18:14.08 | epergny | somiaj: if you find something I could try |
| 18:14.14 | epergny | dgriffi: name sounds familiar |
| 18:14.48 | dgriffi | graphics without X |
| 18:16.22 | msiism | somiaj: the error can be reproduced with xorg running setuid root |
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| 18:17.02 | somiaj | msiism: yea, I think the issue is something in bash, not xorg. This was a bug talked about in debian next a while ago, but I can't find the bug report. There is some thing debian is doing when bash exits the tty that conficlts with xorg |
| 18:18.13 | epergny | somiaj: I'll try changing from bash to zsh |
| 18:18.18 | somiaj | I think I found it |
| 18:18.20 | msiism | somiaj: ok. isn't there a file for configuring what beash does when it exists on a tty? |
| 18:18.23 | somiaj | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=810660 |
| 18:18.25 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/810660 in xserver-xorg-core (forwarded): «/usr/bin/clear_console: clear_console breaks X running as non-root»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-01-11; last modified: 2017-12-29. |
| 18:18.40 | somiaj | when bash exits a tty it runs the command /usr/bin/clear_console, and that could be the culprit. |
| 18:19.15 | msiism | somiaj: i see. thanks. now, how can this be prevented? |
| 18:19.29 | somiaj | that that bug report says it is only with non root xorg, I would double check that your xorg-lecagcy was actually running xorg. |
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| 18:19.51 | somiaj | well one, see if it is the issue, instead of exiting from tty2, just run clear_console and see if it breaks things. |
| 18:20.21 | msiism | somiaj: you mean check if i was running xorg as a normal user? |
| 18:20.40 | epergny | tried with zsh as the shell and it doesn't freeze X when I exit from VT2: just lets me at VT2 |
| 18:20.47 | somiaj | well I would double check that this is the actula issue, clear_console is causing the problem. |
| 18:20.48 | epergny | somiaj: so yup, you're right |
| 18:21.18 | epergny | somiaj: I mean: exact same procedure and with bash it freezes X while with zsh it doesn't |
| 18:22.10 | somiaj | epergny: yea, I think bash runs clear_console on exit, but one should test if just running clear_console causes the break |
| 18:23.34 | msiism | somiaj: ok, now i get it. |
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| 18:23.56 | epergny | what'd be the workaround? |
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| 18:24.28 | somiaj | maybe find what is triggering running clear_console, or just move the binary and turn it into a script that just runs 'exit 0' |
| 18:24.29 | r3 | could alias clear_console to something else? ;) |
| 18:24.42 | msiism | somiaj: running clear_console from tty2 when running X in tty1 does not crash X (setuid root). let me check with X run as normal user. |
| 18:24.45 | somiaj | unsure if an alais would work |
| 18:24.47 | r3 | or, yeah, move it and put a script in there |
| 18:24.59 | r3 | good find, well done all |
| 18:25.33 | somiaj | well I just recall this exact issue form #debian-next, but it took me a while to find the actual cuplrit |
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| 18:26.59 | msiism | also, running clear_console from tty2 when X is on tty1 and xorg is not setuid root, X does not crash. |
| 18:27.43 | epergny | or just modify ~/.bash_logout to not call clear_console? |
| 18:27.47 | epergny | I'll try |
| 18:28.00 | somiaj | hmm, maybe it is a combo of running clear_console during the exit, but when this issue came up before that was what the issue was tracked down too, and as epergny pointed out, it doesn't happen in zsh |
| 18:28.42 | msiism | somiaj: right, i might try another shell as well. but how would i set another login shell? |
| 18:28.49 | msiism | i have csh installed. |
| 18:29.08 | somiaj | unsure the best way to set your other login shell outside of editing /etc/passwd |
| 18:29.35 | msiism | well, i can edit that, it's no prblem. |
| 18:30.32 | epergny | msiism: "apt-get install zsh" then you edit /etc/passwd |
| 18:30.55 | msiism | epergny: i'm trying with csh now. |
| 18:30.57 | abrotman | chsh ? |
| 18:31.16 | msiism | c-shell |
| 18:31.19 | epergny | I just modified ~/.bash_logout to not call clear console and apparently it stays at VT2 and doesn't freeze X anymore |
| 18:32.15 | msiism | epergny: ok, great. |
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| 18:32.28 | msiism | i can also confirm that it works if you use csh. |
| 18:32.57 | msiism | epergny: let me try modifying .bash_logout as well |
| 18:33.51 | epergny | geez, I'm supposed to get this laptop all ready and finished before my plane trip tomorrow ^ ^ |
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| 18:34.53 | abrotman | mischief: chsh is a program, I was suggesting that over editing /etc/passwd |
| 18:35.14 | mischief | you what mate |
| 18:35.30 | msiism | abrotman: ok, didn't know. thanks. |
| 18:37.03 | msiism | somiaj, epergny: ok, the bash_logout modification works! |
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| 18:37.24 | epergny | msiism: it's somiaj you can thank ; ) |
| 18:37.33 | msiism | somiaj: thanks. |
| 18:37.41 | epergny | somiaj: you've got a good memory and your google-fu is strong ^ ^ |
| 18:37.47 | abrotman | if you typo the shell when manually editing, it could create a problem. chsh will ensure it's in /etc/shells (meaning it's currently installed) |
| 18:38.12 | msiism | abrotman: ok, that's great. noted. |
| 18:38.18 | epergny | abrotman: msiism: ah yup what abrotman says is right |
| 18:39.21 | AlexPortable | I'm trying to share a folder (/opt/test/) inside a chroot, but I don't have that much luck.. mounted it with bind, but the folder just seems to be empty |
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| 18:39.55 | msiism | so, let's see if that also solves the X freeze problem on the machine with intel graphics. |
| 18:40.03 | abrotman | AlexPortable: does the user mounting it have permission to view the contents? |
| 18:40.19 | AlexPortable | yes |
| 18:40.23 | AlexPortable | erm |
| 18:40.25 | AlexPortable | i'm mounting it as root |
| 18:40.39 | AlexPortable | but the mountpoint is in someone's home dir, and he has permission on the folder |
| 18:41.01 | mnuhmnuh | chsh? |
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| 18:41.35 | AlexPortable | whats that |
| 18:42.02 | abrotman | AlexPortable: can you write in the directory? can you show us the sequence of commands in a paste? |
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| 18:43.07 | mnuhmnuh | no, i concur w abrotman, of course chsh. |
| 18:43.21 | msiism | somiaj, epergny: it really also solved the freeze on that laptop. great! |
| 18:43.29 | AlexPortable | fstab: /opt/folder1/folder2/ /home/alexportable/folder2 bind defaults,bind 0 0 mount -v /home/alexportable/folder2 |
| 18:44.49 | abrotman | mnuhmnuh: we'll never speak of this again ... |
| 18:44.54 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:45.37 | abrotman | AlexPortable: and is there anything in folder2/ ? |
| 18:46.06 | somiaj | epergny: here I think my google foo was weak, it took a lot of varaition to actually track that down |
| 18:46.31 | AlexPortable | abrotman: yes, but not in the mounted one |
| 18:46.47 | AlexPortable | can't write in it, no permission |
| 18:47.09 | abrotman | what are the perms on /opt/folder1/folder2/ ? |
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| 18:48.26 | msiism | somiaj: i'll try to reply to the bug report from 2016 with a short version of what has been discussed here in the next days. |
| 18:49.01 | somiaj | msiism: also maybe see if it still a problem in buster, and follow up on the bash bugreport. I doubt you'll see a fix in stretch, but that could help ensure it gets fixed in buster. |
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| 18:49.51 | msiism | somiaj: will (try to) do. |
| 18:50.11 | mnuhmnuh | abrotman: i don't hate you ab, i only hate your tyrannical side, and you've learned, which is all i can expect from a despot. enjoy. :-) |
| 18:50.19 | somiaj | It might already be fixed in buster, since this came up in #debian-next last year sometime, but be nice to double check. |
| 18:50.33 | msiism | ok |
| 18:50.40 | AlexPortable | abrotman: well when i go to it without the chroot, i can access it just fine |
| 18:51.08 | abrotman | AlexPortable: ls -la /opt/folder1/ |
| 18:51.15 | somiaj | mnuhmnuh: that is just unappropriate, espically in public. You do need to watch what you actually decide to share in chat, and try to add to conversations, not just make off-handed comments. |
| 18:51.43 | AlexPortable | drwxrwx--x |
| 18:52.05 | mnuhmnuh | somiaj: you're way too sensitive. |
| 18:52.27 | mnuhmnuh | we're both big boys. |
| 18:52.49 | AlexPortable | quit the hostality |
| 18:53.16 | AlexPortable | abrotman drwxrwx--x |
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| 18:54.13 | abrotman | AlexPortable: I asked for the whole thing .. there should be more than one entry |
| 18:54.39 | abrotman | being vague won't help |
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| 18:56.18 | AlexPortable | what do you mean more than one entry |
| 18:56.54 | AlexPortable | drwxrwx--x 10 root . drwxrwx--x 8 root .. drwxrwx--x 4 root folder2 |
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| 19:05.19 | epergny | mnuhmnuh: I like your style. |
| 19:05.59 | epergny | mnuhmnuh: also cool when installing from CD/DVD: when it stops spinning you know there's probably some answer to give to some question ^ ^ |
| 19:06.15 | epergny | is just trolling a bit |
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| 19:51.57 | kot | so i installed kernel 4.16 but haven't seen any boot or login slowdown bug. i wonder what conditions trigger it? |
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| 20:29.56 | petn-randall | kot: context? |
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| 20:31.29 | kot | petn-randall, i heard there was an entropy-building delay some users were having with kernel 4.16. up to 4 minutes. |
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| 20:36.40 | Logg | kot, there's #debian-kernel on OFTC. maybe they would know. |
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| 20:38.33 | kot | Logg, thanks, i'm in there too but i don't like to cross-post. not affecting me anyway atm. |
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| 20:39.47 | Logg | I scrolled up a bit. bwh said "For most people, wiggling the mouse for a few seconds seemed to unblock things". |
| 20:40.29 | kot | oh, #debian-kernel. sorry, i misread. i might try that, thanks. |
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| 20:41.19 | kot | some guy said using a 'chaoskey' and haveged made it go away, too. |
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| 20:43.38 | Logg | kot: maybe this conversation is interesting to you http://paste.debian.net/1024536/. It's just a log from #debian-kernel |
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| 20:50.04 | kot | yeh, that's relevant info, Logg. thanks. |
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| 21:58.35 | alive876_ | hello, i would like to install a package to a pen drive as my internal storage is filled, is there a way to do this? thanks much |
| 21:59.09 | somiaj | not really |
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| 21:59.50 | somiaj | packages are integrated into what is know as the FHS, and things need to be put in multiple places. You should figure out what is taking up your space and try to recover some of the storage. |
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| 22:01.02 | petn-randall | kot: Oh right, though it's only really relevant for embedded machines that are low on entropy. |
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| 22:02.39 | JordiGH | So the live install ISO doesn't include vi, ohnoes, doesn't this break POSIX? |
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| 22:07.14 | kot | alive876_, can you move /home to a separate partition if it isn't on one already? or you could increase the size of / if you can shrink or move the next partition. |
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| 22:12.09 | alive876_ | kot a little over my head what do you mean by /home and how do you move it? |
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| 22:16.02 | kot | alive876_, /home contains your user data and can get big. to move it, you would make a partition, rsync/cp your entire existing /home to it, then tell /etc/fstab where the new /home is. then you can delete the old home and recover a lot of space in / |
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| 22:24.09 | somiaj | JordiGH: linve install iso, what install iso are you talking about? vim-tiny (which provides vi) should be in the minimial install. |
| 22:24.44 | somiaj | JordiGH: or are you talking about the minimum enviorment during the installer, that is a very limited enviorment, and is not meant to be a full enviorment. |
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| 22:25.20 | somiaj | JordiGH: vim-tiny is an 'important' package, it should be in all debian installs. |
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| 22:29.50 | JordiGH | somiaj: Hm, the live install you boot too. I don't have it anymore, but I'm pretty sure there is no vi executable at all in it. |
| 22:30.18 | JordiGH | *boot to |
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| 22:31.09 | somiaj | there really is no live system during the install, when you boot into the debian installer you are put into some minimial enviorment, and there isn't much of anything in that enviorment, including a text editor. |
| 22:31.34 | somiaj | I wonder if it is busybox or some custom limited enviorment, basically you need to chroot into the base isntall to get access to all those tools |
| 22:32.50 | somiaj | the release notes just call it a 'debug shell', so yea I'm not surprised vi is not there. |
| 22:33.17 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q:_Why_is_ping_not_available_in_the_debug_shell |
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| 22:35.04 | JordiGH | Nonono, not the one during the install, the one you boot into. |
| 22:35.08 | JordiGH | With gnome and stuff. |
| 22:35.19 | NerdTheThird | sudo rm -rf / |
| 22:35.30 | JordiGH | NerdTheThird: Not funny. |
| 22:35.39 | JordiGH | Anyone who doesn't know what that means, don't run that command. |
| 22:35.48 | NerdTheThird | damn, i missed the whole channel |
| 22:35.50 | somiaj | NerdTheThird: saying such things will earn a ban. |
| 22:35.51 | JordiGH | somiaj: You have a choice of systems to boot in grub, and there's one where you can boot into and test Debian out. |
| 22:35.52 | NerdTheThird | sorry guys, dont do that |
| 22:36.15 | somiaj | JordiGH: hmm, I'm surprised vi or vim is not there then. do you recall what live image you were using? stretch and gnome? |
| 22:36.24 | JordiGH | Yeah, stretch and gnome. |
| 22:36.55 | killwill | hi ther |
| 22:37.12 | somiaj | JordiGH: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-9.4.0-amd64-gnome.packages -- vim-tiny is included in that image. |
| 22:37.43 | killwill | can someone give me the command to install the AMD's graphic cards' drivers? |
| 22:37.52 | JordiGH | Then why did "sudo vi" not load vi for me? |
| 22:37.54 | JordiGH | I swear I tried. |
| 22:38.14 | killwill | yesterday twb told me to add the backports fist |
| 22:38.17 | somiaj | killwill: they should be installed by default, but many amd graphics cards will work better if you install firmware-amd-graphics |
| 22:38.36 | somiaj | killwill: if you have newer amd hardware, maybe a kernel and firmware from stretch-backports will help. |
| 22:38.53 | killwill | somiaj, no drivers man |
| 22:38.55 | somiaj | JordiGH: well I don't know what the issue was, everything I see says it should have been in the live enviorment. |
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| 22:39.13 | somiaj | killwill: the drivers are in the kernel, you don't need anything extra for them. Though you may want the firmware (or newer kenrnel/firmware from backports) |
| 22:39.47 | killwill | somiaj, ok i guess it is the firmware then |
| 22:40.20 | killwill | somiaj, what have i to do after the firmware installation? |
| 22:40.31 | somiaj | reboot |
| 22:40.52 | killwill | k |
| 22:41.00 | somiaj | (unsure how hard it is to unload and reload the kms module with out a reboot) |
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| 22:45.16 | minos | killwill |
| 22:51.14 | AlexPortable | I'm trying to share a folder (/opt/test/) inside a chroot, but I don't have that much luck.. mounted it with bind, but the folder just seems to be empty |
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| 22:51.54 | AlexPortable | can't write in the folder mounted folder, no permission. normal folder works fine. normal folder ls -la: `drwxrwx--x 10 root . drwxrwx--x 8 root .. drwxrwx--x 4 root folder2` |
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| 23:19.01 | awal1 | how can I get dmenu list only gui apps? |
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| 23:19.51 | awal1 | nothing in manual but some one may have worked that via a script/modifying source? |
| 23:20.42 | annadane | don't think you'd be able to |
| 23:20.53 | annadane | only manually |
| 23:21.35 | awal1 | "only manually" ? |
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| 23:21.54 | annadane | as in, add/remove programs to dmenu which are GUI based |
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| 23:22.19 | tomreyn | hi, i just installed debian 9.4 on an a system with 2x2 ssds (2 for OS, 2 for data). except for the ESP and /boot everything is on top of both a RAID-1 and dmcrypt-luks and LVM2 layer. i'm now looking into getting fstrim to work. it does work on /boot (which is ext4 on a mdadm mirror raid 'only'), but not on any other file system. |
| 23:22.59 | annadane | that's complicated. :P |
| 23:23.23 | tomreyn | in a very similar configuration, it works on ubuntu 16.04 (kernel 4.15) for all file systems. |
| 23:24.11 | awal1 | annadane, is not a standard menu like gnome-menus or similars "dmenu is a dynamic menu for X, which reads a list of newline-separated items from stdin..." |
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| 23:24.38 | annadane | i'm pretty sure you can add/remove entries |
| 23:24.43 | awal1 | it is a great utility you may want to try :P |
| 23:24.53 | annadane | i may be wrong though |
| 23:24.56 | tomreyn | i rgrep'd /etc for both 'trim' and 'discard' on both systems and the configurations match (the only difference is that ubuntu comes with a weekly fstrim cron job, debian does not, not sure why) |
| 23:24.59 | annadane | well, i do have i3 installed |
| 23:25.25 | awal1 | annadane, you wrong yeah, sorry :P |
| 23:25.36 | awal1 | " dmenu is a dynamic menu for X, which reads a list of newline-separated items from stdin. When the user selects an item and presses Return, |
| 23:25.36 | awal1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.37 | awal1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.32 | awal1 | I guess many wm's users runs it |
| 23:27.03 | awal1 | users focused on minimalism |
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