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| 00:26.51 | meatmanek | how long does it usually take after submitting a bug with reportbug before a number is assigned? |
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| 00:30.44 | c-c | *tup* |
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| 00:44.16 | Heston | at least you can actually dive in and fix stuff |
| 00:45.27 | rpifan | more like read hundreds of google results and try it over and over again like stupid |
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| 00:54.56 | UnsaneVirusez | Hello, my pulse audio sound sytem works in debian, but I try to use hydrogen linux drum kit and I get no sound, I try all the sound outputs |
| 00:58.37 | UnsaneVirusez | Any idea what to do? |
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| 01:00.51 | somiaj | what is hydrogen linux? Is it something you installed from debian repos or something else? |
| 01:01.57 | somiaj | UnsaneVirusez: are you using the package 'hydrogen' in debian, or installing this some other way? |
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| 01:03.46 | c-c | somiaj: its a music program |
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| 01:03.57 | c-c | UnsaneVirusez: do you use jack? |
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| 01:04.11 | c-c | UnsaneVirusez: basically most ppl either use pulseaudio or jack |
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| 01:04.25 | somiaj | c-c: yea I see that now. Thanks. |
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| 01:04.38 | rpifan | speaking of issues i had a dpkg deb that i couldnt get to run and now everytime i do apt update it keeps showing hte package, how do i remove it from the list |
| 01:04.48 | UnsaneVirusez | Using distro package, and sound works, etc. and I do not use jack but pavucontrol and pulseaudio and I have alsa installed too I think it does alsa automaticaly. I tried to switch between various sound systems offered in hydrogen and restarted and sound system/apps and still no luck. |
| 01:04.51 | c-c | UnsaneVirusez: if you use jack for your audio routing, you will need to connect the hydrogen to audio out in jack patch bay/mixer |
| 01:05.04 | somiaj | rpifan: dpkg -r packagename or dpkg --purge packagename. |
| 01:05.20 | somiaj | rpifan: or just run apt -f install, it should try to fixt that, and sometimes the fix is to remove it |
| 01:05.24 | UnsaneVirusez | ,v hydrogen |
| 01:05.25 | judd | Package: hydrogen on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.6~beta2-1; jessie: 0.9.6.1-1; stretch: 0.9.7-1+b1; buster: 0.9.7-6; sid: 0.9.7-6 |
| 01:05.38 | c-c | UnsaneVirusez: and you have loaded samples in hydrogen, that should be audible? |
| 01:05.44 | UnsaneVirusez | yes |
| 01:05.49 | UnsaneVirusez | drum kits are loaded |
| 01:06.01 | c-c | UnsaneVirusez: and you have something triggering the playback of the samples? |
| 01:06.16 | UnsaneVirusez | Hang on |
| 01:06.19 | UnsaneVirusez | you may have something here pal |
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| 01:06.29 | UnsaneVirusez | So, I loaded up a default demo that shipped with hydrogen |
| 01:06.31 | UnsaneVirusez | I got sound! |
| 01:06.50 | UnsaneVirusez | I think that the kit my old files are using are may not be compatible with the new kits? I don't know. |
| 01:06.52 | c-c | Ok so its playing back something, just checking |
| 01:06.58 | UnsaneVirusez | I got no sound on my audio .h2songs |
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| 01:07.30 | c-c | UnsaneVirusez: what do you have in yur audio system preferences? |
| 01:07.32 | UnsaneVirusez | I can click the kit and get individual sounds from sampled instruments |
| 01:07.44 | c-c | UnsaneVirusez: do you hear those? |
| 01:07.48 | UnsaneVirusez | So hydrogen sound works, yay. It's not a problem with config. |
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| 01:07.54 | c-c | ok |
| 01:08.09 | c-c | so its just a quiet song or part (pattern) |
| 01:08.24 | c-c | Good luck! |
| 01:08.34 | UnsaneVirusez | The problem is now this, when I load my .h2song files into hydrogen, (pre made drum loops I created circa 2008 in debian), those files load up fine, play fine, but give me no sound, which leads me to believe it's a problem with some kind of drum kit config. |
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| 01:09.16 | c-c | UnsaneVirusez: if you load that song, and then try to trig the individual kit sounds, is there a sound? |
| 01:09.31 | UnsaneVirusez | Ohh, I see now, I think I figure it out. |
| 01:09.45 | UnsaneVirusez | When I load my h2song files into hydrogen, every single instrument is muted out. I didn't notice this first. |
| 01:09.47 | UnsaneVirusez | That's odd. |
| 01:09.50 | c-c | guesses the file paths for the kit sample files are not correct |
| 01:10.16 | c-c | oh, ok, the classic muted - sometimes its "empty channel solo'ed", too |
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| 01:10.26 | UnsaneVirusez | No, that's not it. Good idea though, but no. Instruments are muted by default when I load my old files, but they are not muted when I load a default sample shipped with hydrogen (sample song) |
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| 01:12.27 | UnsaneVirusez | Alright, I umuted all instruments, and i still have no sound on my .h2song files |
| 01:12.40 | michael2 | the netinstaller USB I created has a weird sector numbering: |
| 01:12.51 | michael2 | http://termbin.com/pyeb |
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| 01:13.41 | c-c | UnsaneVirusez: does loading a song change the audio out settings in hydrogen? |
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| 01:14.00 | c-c | UnsaneVirusez: in other words, do you hear the individual samples |
| 01:14.31 | michael2 | I thought partitions need to occupy sequential numbers? i.e. if partition 1 occupies sectors 1 thru 2500, then partition 2 can only start at sector 2501? |
| 01:14.35 | c-c | Audio out - or, Audio system, UnsaneVirusez |
| 01:14.39 | somiaj | michael2: how did you create the usb? (and note the hybrid iso images are just weird, they have a complex partition table that works both legacy and efi, and also being cd and usb boot. |
| 01:14.44 | UnsaneVirusez | c-c: it does not |
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| 01:14.53 | UnsaneVirusez | c-c: audio settings remain same |
| 01:15.17 | UnsaneVirusez | c-c: I do not hear the individual samples when I click them after loading my song, but I do hear them when I load the demo songs |
| 01:15.34 | michael2 | somiaj: using dd if=debian.netinstaller.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 01:15.40 | somiaj | michael2: yea, then that is normal. |
| 01:16.09 | c-c | UnsaneVirusez: ok try this - 1. load your song. 2. load a demo sample into one of the kit samples used in your song. 3. test if audible? |
| 01:16.28 | UnsaneVirusez | c-c: one of my songs works. One of them doesn't, it seems each song loads a kit. I'll go over seach .h2song file, think they are xml files and comare them to the demo songs |
| 01:16.29 | michael2 | somiaj: normal for disk partitioning in general - or normal for these weird hybrid iso things? |
| 01:16.42 | somiaj | michael2: normal for the debian hybrid iso images |
| 01:16.44 | UnsaneVirusez | See what' different. Wrose come to worse, I'll just have to remake my samples again, which is not that bad. |
| 01:17.01 | c-c | UnsaneVirusez: have you been using hydrogen a lot? |
| 01:17.06 | UnsaneVirusez | for years. |
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| 01:17.11 | UnsaneVirusez | But haven't in years. |
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| 01:17.19 | UnsaneVirusez | I've been using hydrogen since 2008 or before. |
| 01:17.29 | michael2 | somiaj: ok thanks |
| 01:17.54 | c-c | UnsaneVirusez: I haven't tested it in years.. I wonder if I should |
| 01:18.10 | c-c | Its probably still pattern based and I like audio track based |
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| 01:19.02 | UnsaneVirusez | c-c: https://ufile.io/snscc here's an h2song file that works |
| 01:19.28 | UnsaneVirusez | https://ufile.io/vq11e here is an .h2song file which does not give audio. |
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| 01:20.12 | UnsaneVirusez | my exact version of hydrogen is: Setting up hydrogen (0.9.7-6) |
| 01:20.12 | rpifan | well its missing kernel headers but its not relevant at this moment anymore |
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| 01:20.35 | UnsaneVirusez | c-c: if you feel up to it, here's some time pass stuff. |
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| 01:21.04 | UnsaneVirusez | Debian testing/ updated just recently today, hydrogen 0.9.7-6 |
| 01:21.07 | c-c | yeah I have to start making coffee |
| 01:21.14 | c-c | 8) |
| 01:21.21 | UnsaneVirusez | np. I'll keep digging, thanks for the time |
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| 01:21.49 | c-c | yeah maybe just re-load the samples one by one in hydrogen would be easisest |
| 01:21.51 | rpifan | but purge worked |
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| 01:26.36 | c-c | UnsaneVirusez: if you gist the xml I can have a look in 5 mins, after I make the coffee |
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| 01:50.08 | michael2 | does anyone know where in the debian docs the info on all the uefi, secure boot and all that stuff is? |
| 01:51.12 | c-c | here?`https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI |
| 01:52.12 | michael2 | c-c: thanks |
| 01:52.24 | michael2 | Im trying to find what "EFI" means? |
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| 01:53.07 | c-c | michael2: if you were, you wouldn't be here starting a conversation, but had googled that 8) |
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| 02:01.07 | UnsaneVirusez | well trying and doing are not the same thing |
| 02:01.20 | UnsaneVirusez | he's trying to find out. when he's done trying he's actually gonna go find out. np |
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| 03:08.28 | fareast | superblock mount time messed up |
| 03:08.41 | fareast | People saying this is windows 10 dual boot issue |
| 03:08.52 | fareast | something about a registry fix and a fix on ntp |
| 03:08.55 | fareast | servers.... |
| 03:09.01 | fareast | anyone else have the guide to the fix? |
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| 03:11.10 | _|||||||_ | dual boot usually goes better if you install linux after. <- If that's the other OS |
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| 03:12.55 | fareast | well this all just happened when i started installing multiple linux installs after linux |
| 03:13.25 | fareast | I did a su bcd edit and deleted some entries that were appearing |
| 03:13.34 | fareast | but debian was installed after linux that is for sure |
| 03:13.39 | fareast | and it has booted many times. |
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| 03:14.03 | fareast | debian after windows |
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| 03:14.21 | awal1 | fareast, my suggestion will make you have correct time in linux and kick off that "warning" but wrong in windows : as root run "timedatectl set-local-rtc 0" and reboot |
| 03:14.42 | _|||||||_ | grub should take care of that |
| 03:15.01 | fareast | what a freakin headache |
| 03:15.21 | _|||||||_ | if you have multiple OS |
| 03:15.24 | awal1 | my suggestion should help |
| 03:15.32 | fareast | I am sure it will |
| 03:15.35 | fareast | I read it online already |
| 03:16.07 | awal1 | nothing is sure; even 1+1 is not really = 2 :D |
| 03:16.13 | _|||||||_ | Im not sure what the issue is cause I just got here |
| 03:16.28 | fareast | I am loosing interest in windows that is the problem |
| 03:17.00 | awal1 | man timedatectl |
| 03:17.07 | _|||||||_ | win 10 is blahh |
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| 03:20.14 | _|||||||_ | cactus? |
| 03:20.22 | _|||||||_ | 'cactus! |
| 03:20.48 | fareast | _|||||||_, its ugly as shit |
| 03:20.58 | _|||||||_ | thanks |
| 03:21.00 | _|||||||_ | lol |
| 03:21.17 | fareast | windows |
| 03:21.28 | _|||||||_ | oh lol |
| 03:21.52 | _|||||||_ | I thought you meant _|||||||_ |
| 03:21.56 | fareast | I am so tired been dealing with the 1803 updates all day and running network audits |
| 03:22.33 | _|||||||_ | sound like a fun filled day |
| 03:22.42 | fareast | computers are really the last thing I want to do right now I programmed some door locks and even did some hotel manager tasks today |
| 03:23.05 | _|||||||_ | I love computers |
| 03:23.19 | fareast | they are good when teamwork is dreamwork |
| 03:23.30 | _|||||||_ | lol yes? |
| 03:23.32 | fareast | but sometimes I feel like I am the only one working... |
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| 03:23.38 | _|||||||_ | oh like that |
| 03:23.47 | _|||||||_ | that sux |
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| 03:24.11 | fareast | yeah well its bad when its 80 degrees and you are deciding on driving to get something to eat when normally people would be open ina tourist area |
| 03:24.15 | _|||||||_ | people will be people |
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| 03:24.46 | fareast | I am sitting looking at all these hungry workers with nothing open around me. |
| 03:25.29 | fareast | I just don't understand how you could spit and hit someone but you can't find a open place to eat. |
| 03:26.02 | _|||||||_ | got to go cyah |
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| 03:51.44 | simbalion | Is it possible to target an X server with a crontab task? I want to set feh to change my wallpaper every 5 minutes but it complains it can't find the X-server. Works fine from a terminal of course |
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| 04:02.15 | Torr | it should be if you set your environment properly and set the cron job to run as the same user that is logged into the screen |
| 04:03.16 | Torr | i.e. export DISPLAY=:1 |
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| 04:07.08 | somiaj | simbalion: I wouldn't use cron for that, what wm do you have? |
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| 04:10.00 | nprs | is there an easier way to edit /etc/network/interfaces from the shell besides with vi? I'm finding vi rather difficult to use. |
| 04:11.06 | somiaj | nprs: use any editor you like. I find vim a bit nicer than vi (which is really vim-tiny), some like nano, it should also be installed by default. |
| 04:11.14 | somiaj | there is emacs, and I'm sure a handfull of other editors |
| 04:11.37 | simbalion | somiaj: openbox |
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| 04:11.49 | simbalion | Torr: will that work for both screens? I will test |
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| 04:12.59 | c-c | in fact, most of the time vi will actually be Vim on your system |
| 04:13.23 | somiaj | simbalion: you may want to see if openbox has a way to run peridoic tasks, you could also do this as a simple script launched by openbox (this way it is attached to your openbox xsession and not cron) |
| 04:13.29 | nprs | Thanks I will see if this machine has any of those installed. |
| 04:13.35 | c-c | nprs: nano is simple |
| 04:13.55 | somiaj | and should be installed |
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| 04:15.53 | somiaj | simbalion: I'm not seeing any openbox feature for this, but I would just tell openbox to launch a shell script inthe background that just loops with a sleep in it over cron. |
| 04:16.44 | simbalion | I would really rather use cron for it |
| 04:16.47 | simbalion | that's what cron is for |
| 04:18.21 | simbalion | tried adding export DISPLAY=:1 to the script but that didn't fix it :/ |
| 04:18.42 | somiaj | you need a full enviorment, and I think that is what your wm is for. (: |
| 04:18.50 | simbalion | oh wait it should be :0 I think |
| 04:18.58 | Torr | when you're logged into a shell, do 'echo $DISPLAY' and put the result in your script |
| 04:19.12 | simbalion | trying now |
| 04:19.19 | Torr | if you have more than one monitor on the same desktop, then yes, it should work on all attach displays |
| 04:19.56 | simbalion | I do |
| 04:20.19 | simbalion | welp... tick happened but script didn't work |
| 04:20.22 | simbalion | works in term |
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| 04:20.36 | simbalion | doesn't work in a F1 console either, fwiw |
| 04:21.29 | Torr | hrm... are you using xorg or wayland? |
| 04:21.44 | simbalion | xorg |
| 04:22.03 | simbalion | still waiting for wayland support for nvidia I think heh |
| 04:22.43 | Torr | you might need to use xhost to give permissions to cron |
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| 04:23.07 | Torr | and also export XAUTHORITY |
| 04:23.15 | simbalion | I don't know what either of those things is |
| 04:23.58 | Torr | maybe try "* * * * * DISPLAY=:0 XAUTHORITY=~/.Xauthority screensaver-command" |
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| 04:29.18 | Tom-_ | i think you need $HOME/.Xauthority when you're setting environment variables or might not be using bash or something |
| 04:30.31 | nprs | Thanks guys I found nano much simpler to use. |
| 04:32.02 | c-c | nprs: should work, for programming neovim is superior |
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| 04:32.47 | nprs | I just needed to get wireless working. I would have normally used scp but there is no ethernet port. |
| 04:33.15 | nprs | I should really spend some time learning these editors |
| 04:34.30 | Torr | yeah, what kind of idiot through it was great to switch to wayland when there's no nvidia support? |
| 04:34.37 | Torr | thought |
| 04:34.45 | c-c | nprs: One superior editor (usually vim) can 20x your edit speed |
| 04:35.56 | c-c | nprs: if your work involves editing/programming/writing, there is definite payback in terms of speedup |
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| 04:38.56 | simbalion | Torr: thanks but that didn't work either |
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| 04:39.55 | Torr | simbalion, sorry |
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| 04:41.25 | simbalion | Torr: I appreciate the effort. |
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| 04:44.26 | Torr | np |
| 04:44.54 | Torr | there are probably tricks, but xorg has changed over the past 15 or so years since I was trying to do stuff like this |
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| 04:47.00 | simbalion | I saw a page about ubuntu and gdm that suggested xauthority isn't used anymore but I dunno if that applies to debian and lightdm |
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| 04:51.21 | aloo_shu | #debian-next : i+ cannot join channel, you must be invited |
| 04:51.34 | aloo_shu | braaaavo |
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| 04:51.51 | aloo_shu | anyway ,why is it that on a 1280x800 display, if I give xrandr a --fb of 2560x1600 and then do a --scale 2x2, the mouse pointer stays confined to the upper left quarter, but if I add a --panning 2560x1600, becomes unblocked? |
| 04:52.59 | aloo_shu | ahh, sry, my bad, different server , that #debian-next |
| 04:53.50 | aloo_shu | let's assume my question isn't version specific |
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| 06:50.22 | michael2 | hmm, I just learned some of debian.org docs are not getting indexed by google |
| 06:51.09 | dionysus69 | does anyone use etcher ? |
| 06:51.21 | dionysus69 | and if anyone knows if it makes uefi usb drives |
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| 06:58.47 | Heston | ,v python3.6 |
| 06:58.48 | judd | Package: python3.6 on amd64 -- buster: 3.6.5~rc1-1; sid: 3.6.5-5 |
| 06:59.22 | Heston | ,check-backport python3.6 |
| 06:59.24 | judd | Backporting package python3.6 in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch. |
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| 07:01.29 | michael2 | can anyone point me in the direction of how to file bug reports or "enhancement/suggestions" related to the debian.org website? |
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| 07:03.50 | jelly | michael2: file a bug report against a package named "www.debian.org", but check if one already exists for the same issue first |
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| 07:04.34 | jelly | http://bugs.debian.org/www.debian.org |
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| 07:05.33 | michael2 | jelly: thanks there is also some advice here: |
| 07:05.39 | michael2 | https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 07:06.04 | michael2 | o report a problem with the web site, e-mail our publicly archived mailing list debian-www@lists.debian.org. ? |
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| 07:07.58 | jelly | that's also a good option probably |
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| 07:09.22 | michael2 | I noticed some pages of debian.org docs are not being fetched by google. I wonder if the website devs will care about that? |
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| 07:27.57 | lilp | Hello, since this morning I can't login into lightdm with my regular user, root login works. I try passwd, and delete .Xauthority, but still not login. tty1 login works. |
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| 07:30.52 | babilen_ | What changed in the interim? |
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| 07:31.42 | lilp | in the interim? |
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| 07:35.41 | alkisg | lilp: if you create a new user, does it work with that? |
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| 07:52.39 | lilp | I test with a new user and it's works also. |
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| 08:00.28 | alkisg | lilp: then it sounds like a problem with your account. Do you have any files owned by root, where the user wouldn't be able to write? Login from vt2 as the user, and run: find . -uid 0 |
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| 08:09.58 | dionysus69 | if I move main partition with gparted, it will not make system unbootable right? |
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| 08:13.17 | epsilon | linux is robust in these things... if unsure make a disk image with dd or clonezilla |
| 08:15.24 | k_sze[work] | In Debian (or any Linux distro, really), is it possible to somehow isolate an GeForce GTX Titan X card and have coexisting, different versions of graphics drivers? |
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| 08:16.26 | k_sze[work] | I have a server with 3 identical GeForce GTX Titan X cards, and I want to try upgrading the drivers without breaking everything. |
| 08:16.42 | justinebastian | hello how can I make firefox in french langage in MX Linux 17.1 ? |
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| 08:22.20 | dionysus69 | epsilon: you mean make a backup if simple gparted move will break the boot? |
| 08:22.33 | wrksx | hey guys |
| 08:22.40 | wrksx | just install ufw firewall |
| 08:22.55 | wrksx | before enabling it i'd like to make sure i'm not goin to lock me out |
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| 08:23.24 | dionysus69 | ufw enable {rule name or port number} |
| 08:23.33 | wrksx | but I cant find a way to list what ufw will allow |
| 08:23.40 | wrksx | I did ufw allow OpenSSH |
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| 08:24.07 | wrksx | but it'd be nice to have a way to list what's allowed exxactly |
| 08:24.13 | wrksx | before enableing the firewall |
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| 08:25.00 | epsilon | dionysus69: it's always recommended to make a backup before performing a change on partitions |
| 08:25.43 | wrksx | Command may disrupt existing ssh connections. Proceed with operation (y|n)? |
| 08:25.55 | epsilon | it's a very short time period between "uups" and "when did I the last backup" |
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| 08:27.12 | dionysus69 | start n now |
| 08:27.24 | dionysus69 | before you start it you need to sudo ufw allow 22 |
| 08:27.39 | dionysus69 | not to disrupt ssh connections wrksx |
| 08:28.06 | dionysus69 | and any other port you need, i.e webserver |
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| 08:29.45 | wrksx | dionysus69, ok done. Nothing disrupted =) Had to hold my breath for a second =) |
| 08:29.56 | dionysus69 | cool ^.^ |
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| 08:30.21 | wrksx | too bad it's impossible to list the rules like sudo ufw status does when the firewall is off |
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| 08:33.10 | epsilon | wrksx: to avoid a lockout, you can create a cronjob to wipe out iptables rules every 5 Minutes |
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| 08:34.34 | dionysus69 | wrksx: sudo ufw status -v I think, for verbose |
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| 08:35.32 | wrksx | epsilon, oh my god that would have been such a good security |
| 08:35.38 | wrksx | didn't thought about this |
| 08:36.25 | wrksx | epsilon, I'll remember it next time, seems like a very good idea before enabling the firewall |
| 08:36.52 | dionysus69 | sudo ufw show added |
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| 08:42.39 | epsilon | wrksx: basically a shellscript with "iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT", "iptables -F INPUT" (repeat with OUTPUT and FORWARD). custom chains can be wiped with iptabes -X |
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| 08:44.25 | slax0r | wiping iptables rules every 5 minutes is not exactly "security" wrksx :) |
| 08:44.39 | slax0r | but it prevents accidental lockouts if you don't have physical access |
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| 08:47.58 | wrksx | dionysus69, ufw show added is great ty |
| 08:48.27 | wrksx | slax0r, looooool |
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| 08:48.54 | wrksx | slax0r, I think you got the point =) Wipe it every 5 minutes, test, if ssh works remove the cron an BOOM |
| 08:48.59 | wrksx | secured |
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| 08:49.41 | wrksx | I've never been loked out while configuring a firewall, but I've been around someone who did just that and it seemed painful |
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| 08:54.23 | k_sze[work] | How do I check if OpenGL works on my Debian server (Jessie, x86_64)? |
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| 08:57.25 | k_sze[work] | e.g. I have these libgl* packages installed. |
| 08:57.27 | k_sze[work] | https://paste.debian.net/1023057/ |
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| 09:01.02 | Ironhand | hi, is there a utility/service that I can install in Debian to help me manage persistent static routes? all solutions I find come down to adding 'up' lines to /etc/network/interfaces, but I'm hoping for a solution that allows me to reload/update routes from a config file without having to bring an interface down & up again |
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| 09:07.43 | jolt | Ironhand: Maybe you could use a proper routing daemon, like quagga or something? |
| 09:08.22 | jolt | Ironhand: Not my expertise though, I do mine as you say with interface up, or more advanced routing in the router |
| 09:08.55 | jolt | Ironhand: Zebra was probably what I was thinking about, but it seems to be part of quagga |
| 09:09.54 | Ironhand | jolt: yeah, Zebra/Quagga was an option I considered, but it seems major overkill to run a dynamic routing daemon on every machine where I want to do this, just for static routes |
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| 09:19.11 | k_sze[work] | My server seems to have nvidia dkms modules, but I have trouble finding out how exactly they were installed (the guy who set the server up has already left the company). |
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| 09:22.08 | Stanley678 | browsing on my new debian9 64bit system is not as fast as when i had debian8 32 bit on this very same computer. why is that? |
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| 09:23.49 | jelly | k_sze[work]: "dkms status" says what? |
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| 09:24.28 | k_sze[work] | nvidia, 367.48, 3.16.0-4-amd64, x86_64: installed |
| 09:24.36 | voobscout | does anybody know when will anonscm.debian.org go back up? it's been down for a couple of days now.... |
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| 09:24.57 | jelly | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 09:24.58 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; jessie-proposed-updates/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; jessie-backports/non-free: 384.111-4~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 384.130-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 390.48-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 390.48-3; sid/non- |
| 09:24.59 | judd | free: 390.48-3 |
| 09:25.15 | jelly | k_sze[work]: that might be installed from nvidia installer |
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| 09:25.34 | k_sze[work] | jelly: you mean NVIDIA's .run thing, right? |
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| 09:36.12 | rootkea | Hello! I'm using Debian Stretch. My Mumlock key keeps getting off automatically after some time. How do I prevent that? |
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| 09:37.27 | rootkea | I activate the numlock, type some numbers. And then after some time when I type numbers again they don't get printed. Turns out Numlock got off automatically. Then I have to press Numlock again. Sigh! |
| 09:37.43 | Haohmaru | weird |
| 09:37.58 | Haohmaru | does the computer happen to go into some sleep/suspend during that time? |
| 09:38.20 | rootkea | Haohmaru: No, all the while I'm using it. |
| 09:38.29 | Haohmaru | is it a usb keyboard? |
| 09:38.53 | rootkea | Haohmaru: No, I am using Dell laptop with it's keyboard |
| 09:39.00 | Haohmaru | oh |
| 09:39.23 | Haohmaru | ran out of ideas |
| 09:39.30 | rootkea | It's okay :) |
| 09:40.25 | rootkea | Earlier it used to work just fine! And now I don't remember since when but this weirdness started happening. |
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| 09:40.48 | Haohmaru | did you install some obscure program maybe? |
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| 09:41.31 | rootkea | Haohmaru: Oh I installed, purged a lot of packages but I can't pin-point the time since when this kicked in |
| 09:42.02 | Haohmaru | if i were you, i'd plug in an external keyboard to see if the issue will happen there too |
| 09:42.42 | rootkea | Haohmaru: Nice idea! Thanks. Though I don't have one right now but will check for sure. |
| 09:42.49 | Haohmaru | or run a live debian flash stick (or other OS) for a while and see if it happens there |
| 09:42.59 | rootkea | Meanwhile is there some conf file, command to poke at? |
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| 09:43.48 | Haohmaru | there was some program i installed additionally to turn ON the numlock before i reach desktop (i added it into lightdm configs) |
| 09:43.58 | rootkea | numlockx? |
| 09:44.02 | Haohmaru | i think so |
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| 09:44.34 | rootkea | Yeah, I dumped it for Xfce's "Restore num lock state on startup" |
| 09:44.47 | Haohmaru | oh |
| 09:45.01 | Haohmaru | that's a built-in functionality of xfce? |
| 09:45.07 | rootkea | Yes :) |
| 09:45.22 | Haohmaru | could it be "fighting" with numlockx then |
| 09:45.28 | Haohmaru | (i use lxde) |
| 09:45.41 | rootkea | But I don't have numlockx |
| 09:45.57 | Haohmaru | oh, right |
| 09:46.31 | rootkea | And anyways, all it does is to turn on the numlock on startup while I'm facing issue while using the laptop |
| 09:46.55 | rootkea | RIP grammar! |
| 09:47.09 | Haohmaru | ;] |
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| 09:48.23 | rootkea | So, guess I should first experiment with another keyboard and another OS to pinpoint the issue |
| 09:48.53 | amprxc | Hello, i have a question : i have a hostapd AP running on a Banana Pi and redirecting all the wlan trafic to Tor (all is working). But i would like to log (because of the law) because it's an open AP. The problem is : how to get the trafic ip destination and log it ? ##### thanks (when i say trafic destination, im talking, of course, about the first tor node) |
| 09:49.03 | Haohmaru | yeah, you could try a debian-live (with xfce or lxde) image and see if it happens then |
| 09:49.18 | rootkea | Haohmaru: Sure, thanks! |
| 09:51.05 | amprxc | anyone to help me please ? |
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| 09:52.54 | amprxc | Hello, i have a question : i have a hostapd AP running on a Banana Pi and redirecting all the wlan trafic to Tor (all is working). But i would like to log (because of the law) because it's an open AP. The problem is : how to get the trafic ip destination and log it ? ##### thanks (when i say trafic destination, im talking, of course, about the first tor node) |
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| 09:54.31 | rootkea | amprxc: Please don't flood the channel. Wait for a while. Be patient. |
| 09:54.39 | amprxc | ok sorry |
| 09:54.59 | rootkea | It's okay :) |
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| 10:01.59 | JustASlacker | olla |
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| 10:02.14 | JustASlacker | is there any modern alternative to jailkit? |
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| 10:05.38 | yakiza | JustASlacker: what you doing in debian channel ? :O |
| 10:06.27 | JustASlacker | Slacking around |
| 10:06.37 | JustASlacker | whats your excise |
| 10:06.39 | JustASlacker | excuse |
| 10:06.42 | yakiza | hahahaha best answer ever |
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| 10:07.04 | yakiza | We use Debian as our managed desktop in the university i work |
| 10:07.31 | JustASlacker | We have cusomers with debian |
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| 10:13.11 | NetTerminalGene | yakiza, what are you doing with that? |
| 10:13.17 | NetTerminalGene | what is managed desktop? |
| 10:14.40 | yakiza | its the desktop we provide to the students but we look after it |
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| 10:15.18 | NetTerminalGene | yakiza, how many desktops? |
| 10:15.45 | yakiza | around 1000 |
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| 10:16.42 | NetTerminalGene | yakiza, what version of debian? |
| 10:16.49 | NetTerminalGene | default desktop? |
| 10:16.49 | yakiza | NetTerminalGene: Debian 8 |
| 10:16.55 | NetTerminalGene | gnome? |
| 10:17.20 | yakiza | NetTerminalGene: no we have win 7/10 as well |
| 10:17.34 | NetTerminalGene | >.< |
| 10:17.55 | yakiza | NetTerminalGene: haha well its a university windows are required |
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| 10:18.26 | NetTerminalGene | rebel university students! rebel! |
| 10:18.41 | yakiza | aahahahah |
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| 10:20.31 | NetTerminalGene | yakiza, do they use gnome? |
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| 10:25.16 | amprxc | Hello, i have a question : i have a hostapd AP running on a Banana Pi and redirecting all the wlan trafic to Tor (all is working). But i would like to log (because of the law) because it's an open AP. The problem is : how to get the trafic ip destination and log it ? ##### thanks (when i say trafic destination, im talking, of course, about the first tor node) |
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| 10:26.47 | yakiza | NetTerminalGene: mate |
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| 10:28.37 | JustASlacker | any ideas on jailkit? |
| 10:28.44 | JustASlacker | is that still the way to go |
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| 11:04.35 | henery89 | does the blocksize (bs) as specified for "dd" command directly influence the structure of the underlying bits on disk? or is the blocksize just a buffer size, specifying how many bits are written per "turn"? |
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| 11:11.36 | cyber321 | hey |
| 11:12.12 | cyber321 | anyone here? |
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| 11:12.26 | cyber321 | hey @chachasmooth |
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| 11:13.20 | cyber321 | hello world |
| 11:13.55 | chachasmooth | cyber321 hi, what's up? |
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| 11:14.07 | cyber321 | not much, what about you @chachasmooth? |
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| 11:14.50 | cyber321 | Have you lot seen ping.gy? |
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| 11:17.31 | safsom2 | hello |
| 11:17.34 | safsom2 | debian best distro |
| 11:18.23 | ejr | ok, so i could somewhat narrow down my issues in building icecat on debian. it seems to be related to available RAM space. this is the point where the build process always gets in a loop: |
| 11:18.28 | ejr | https://hastebin.com/rijeviloha.coffeescript |
| 11:18.34 | ejr | how could this be fixed? |
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| 11:29.15 | lilp | I can't connect to debian by gui with my user. TTy1 & ssh works. I can connect with su, I create a new user and can connect to gui with it. |
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| 11:30.50 | jelly | ejr: that stuff looks like warnings and not anything fatal. Are you sure there's a loop, maybe it's still building stuff? |
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| 11:39.28 | ejr | jelly: you're right, it was no loop, i just assumed because it ran that for at least 15 times. thanks |
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| 11:44.08 | litb | hello folks |
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| 11:44.44 | litb | if i build a kernel for 686 (32bit) on a amd64 system, and specify --arch i386, does this make a difference as opposed to --arch i686 ? |
| 11:45.02 | litb | because.. the official debian package contains i686 in its name, but my debian package has i386 in its name. so i'm confused |
| 11:45.08 | litb | i use make-kpkg |
| 11:45.40 | ejr | the errors in the crashreport seem to be fixable, if I understand what they mean. what exactly does ^~ refer to? as in: https://hastebin.com/tolejobune.rb |
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| 11:46.46 | litb | i'm also confused of the version number... the kernel of debian has version 4.9.0, and i downloaded that linux-source. but make-kpkg creates a deb file with 4.9.82 in its name!? |
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| 11:51.44 | jelly | litb: debian kernel has ABI string that looks like 4.9.0-6-something, but that is not the version of source |
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| 11:51.49 | jelly | !kernel abi |
| 11:51.49 | dpkg | Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 3.2.0-3-amd64 to another 3.2.0-3-amd64 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 3.2.0-3-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges |
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| 11:53.04 | litb | thanks, that makes sense |
| 11:53.04 | noodlepie | I like the speed at which Debian packages update and install. I use Gentoo on my faster i7 laptop though which I think is best for newer machines if you want a perfectly, fully optimized computer. |
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| 11:55.19 | litb | jelly, i suspect i should rebuild with --arch i686 . wikipedia says i686 started with Pentium Pro. so i386 would be very old and would not contain SSE and the like |
| 11:55.23 | alx_fly | anybody got the following problem: gtk-3.so.0.2200.11[7fb7fdb9a000+700000] |
| 11:55.25 | alx_fly | [ 131.897503] gnome-session-f[1342]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fe8969b0e19 sp 00007ffec2f7fd10 error 4 in libgtk-3.so.0.2200.11[7fe8966ce000+700000] |
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| 11:56.10 | jelly | litb: I have no idea what --arch does there. |
| 11:56.33 | litb | jelly, it's to select between x86 and amd64 |
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| 12:02.18 | safsom2 | what debian version do you guys use? |
| 12:02.22 | safsom2 | stable, testing or sid? |
| 12:02.35 | safsom2 | _systemd_is_evil: nice username |
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| 12:09.23 | FinalX | safsom2: mix of wheezy, jessie and stretch (and trusty, xenial and bionic for ubuntu). vast majority is still stuck on jessie (oldstable), still. things that were easy to upgrade are on stretch :) things that were next to impossible to upgrade are still wheezy, but are having new versions installed with stretch and moving stuff over :p |
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| 12:09.40 | abrotman | !polls |
| 12:09.40 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 12:10.13 | FinalX | heh :) |
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| 12:16.52 | tw | !bad polls |
| 12:16.52 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! 3) We don't care about Ubuntu, this is #debian. |
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| 12:17.19 | tw | lol. I wish it continued into really bad polls. |
| 12:17.24 | tw | chain rant. |
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| 12:48.07 | Sepultura | are there static libraries inside of boost debian package? |
| 12:49.41 | jelly | Sepultura: if there were any , they would be inside of relevant -dev packages |
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| 12:51.37 | Sepultura | jelly can I make the file portable by putting the so (dynamic library) in the same folder? |
| 12:51.45 | Sepultura | like in Windows? |
| 12:53.50 | jelly | Sepultura: that's not enough, you'd also have to specify LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable and the default does noot look in . |
| 12:54.39 | jelly | you can make a wrapper script that does that |
| 12:54.57 | jelly | google chrome does that, for example |
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| 13:08.50 | lroe | is there a command I can run that will show me the currently configured ciphers for sshd? |
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| 13:09.39 | well_laid_lawn | ou can ssh -v |
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| 13:11.45 | alx_fly | could someone help? /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session[1910]: #011(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. |
| 13:11.57 | alx_fly | is there a possibilty to reinstall all debian packages |
| 13:12.00 | alx_fly | ? |
| 13:12.15 | alx_fly | could not start xserver |
| 13:12.46 | alx_fly | could not figure out what the problem is |
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| 13:36.11 | litb | why does linux-headers depend on libqt5 ? |
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| 13:36.58 | babilen | litb: Which packages exactly? |
| 13:37.16 | litb | make-kpkg created linux-image-4.9.82 |
| 13:37.26 | litb | sorry, meant linux-headers-4.9.82 |
| 13:37.51 | babilen | There isn't a libqt5 package in Debian |
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| 13:37.57 | babilen | (hence my question) |
| 13:38.14 | litb | sorry, more specifically it depends on libqt5core5a libqt5gui5 libqt5widgets5 |
| 13:38.25 | litb | they are not even developer packages |
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| 13:38.32 | babilen | judd: why linux-headers-4.9.82 libqt5core5a |
| 13:38.33 | judd | No package named 'linux-headers-4.9.82' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 13:38.44 | babilen | heh |
| 13:38.47 | litb | it's a package i built myself using make-kpkg |
| 13:39.20 | litb | judd, why linux-headers-4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae libqt5core5a |
| 13:39.21 | judd | No package named 'linux-headers-4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 13:39.31 | litb | judd, why linux-headers-4.9.0 libqt5core5a |
| 13:39.32 | judd | No package named 'linux-headers-4.9.0' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 13:39.35 | litb | what's this |
| 13:39.46 | babilen | You should use packages that actually exist in Debian |
| 13:40.06 | babilen | judd: why linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 libqt5core5a |
| 13:40.07 | judd | No dependency chain found between packages linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 and libqt5core5a in stretch/amd64. |
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| 13:40.09 | karlpinc | litb: I've heard that make-kpkg is no longer the preferred way to make kernels, although I don't know. The place to look for kernel creation information is on the debian wiki. |
| 13:40.18 | babilen | And there is no dependency chain between those packages |
| 13:40.31 | babilen | make-kpkg hasn't been used in a while |
| 13:40.33 | karlpinc | forgets whether there's something in the debian reference about making kernels. |
| 13:40.58 | litb | :( that's sad. so I've wasted all the last 4 hours |
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| 13:41.24 | bites | there is the debian kernel handbook. |
| 13:41.24 | litb | first i used linux's own make deb-pkg or what's called. but I got frustrated after i called it twice and it did a clean in between *automatically* |
| 13:41.25 | babilen | https://kernel-handbook.debian.net/ch-common-tasks.html â "make deb-pkg" |
| 13:41.38 | bites | hehe, that. |
| 13:41.41 | karlpinc | litb: Dunno. I often find that about only 1/2 of such time is wasted. :-) |
| 13:41.57 | babilen | litb: Sure, Debian packages clean before they are built, to ensure that you have a .. well .. clean package |
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| 13:42.19 | litb | first my disk went full. i cleaned up a bit and started it again. and it removed all .ko files it built before |
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| 13:42.22 | babilen | Why are you compiling your own kernel to begin with and which package does actually depend on libqt5core5a ? |
| 13:42.24 | litb | man, that's stupid |
| 13:42.57 | litb | baba__, i need CONFIG_HZ=1000 |
| 13:43.04 | litb | babilen, ^ |
| 13:43.17 | karlpinc | litb: How is the package going to know what's stupid? Better safe than sorry with that sort of stuff. |
| 13:44.02 | litb | it could print "removing old .ko files.. C-c to cancel" and sleep for some seconds before continuing |
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| 13:44.55 | jhutchins_wk | litb: you're not very familiar with compiling code, are you? Maybe you should accept the defaults. There's a reason they work that way. |
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| 13:45.40 | babilen | litb: Did you look into the RT kernel? |
| 13:45.46 | babilen | (and what do you need it for?) |
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| 13:48.34 | davorin | ehlo (o; |
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| 13:50.10 | davorin | what kernel version have the weekly test builds of debian 9? |
| 13:51.05 | bites | debian 9 has released a while ago with kernel 4.9. otherwise... |
| 13:51.07 | bites | ,kernels |
| 13:51.08 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.16.0-1-686-pae (4.16.5-1); buster: 4.15.0-3-686-pae (4.15.17-1); stretch-backports: 4.15.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.15.11-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u3~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
| 13:51.09 | judd | (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.101-1) |
| 13:51.25 | davorin | in the iso installer images? |
| 13:51.30 | davorin | that would be great... |
| 13:51.41 | davorin | as i don't like ubuntu 18 at all...well..never liked it (o; |
| 13:51.52 | bites | the debian 9 installer images all have kernel 4.9 |
| 13:51.55 | davorin | another option would be to install an older pice ethernet card for my company pc |
| 13:52.00 | davorin | ooh... |
| 13:52.08 | davorin | but i can then back port a newer kernel... |
| 13:52.22 | bites | yes, after the installation, sure. |
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| 13:52.37 | davorin | well..makes sense to use a kernel from a stable release for an installer (o; |
| 13:52.49 | karlpinc | davorin: Or use one from debian backports. |
| 13:53.06 | davorin | for the installer? |
| 13:53.26 | karlpinc | davorin: I was thinking after install. |
| 13:53.41 | davorin | right... |
| 13:53.45 | davorin | well might be that kernel 4.15 or newer have better support for i7-8700 series |
| 13:54.12 | davorin | found yesterday a good blog post describing the procedure... |
| 13:54.54 | davorin | what desktop do you prefer for development? |
| 13:55.05 | davorin | currently use xfce at home...as it seems very lightweight |
| 13:55.43 | davorin | and so far had no issues with commercial pga tools on debian 9 |
| 13:55.48 | bites | i3wm or awesome. don't like to use the touchpad when moving around. |
| 13:55.54 | davorin | besides some programs are compiled against libpng12 (o; |
| 13:56.26 | davorin | don't remember which wm are offered during install |
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| 13:57.20 | bites | uh, gnome, xfce, kde, lxde, cinnamon, mate, lxqt |
| 13:57.29 | bites | that should be it. |
| 13:57.45 | davorin | i liked the old code in the old days on a sun (o; |
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| 13:57.50 | davorin | s/cde/code/ |
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| 13:57.55 | davorin | stupid auto correction... |
| 13:57.59 | karlpinc | davorin: All desktops suck. |
| 13:58.21 | davorin | well...i still edit mostly remotely with vi (o; |
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| 13:59.09 | davorin | hmm..who did a screenshot of awesome desktop with bob ross as background...makes me thinking (o; |
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| 13:59.39 | Guest58298 | davorin: vi is a way of life |
| 13:59.41 | alx_fly | is there a possibilty to reinstall default debian packages like after fresh install? |
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| 14:01.13 | davorin | looks in his drawers for older pcie ethernet cards... |
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| 14:03.21 | karlpinc | alx_fly: It should be simple enough to script a re-install of all installed packages: aptitude search '~i' | xargs -n 1 aptitude reinstall But I've not tested this. But rather than doing something like that it'd be better for you to tell us your real problem and see if that can't be fixed. (Look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log) |
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| 14:04.13 | davorin | hmm..an intel, a tp-link and two realteks should be enough to test... |
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| 14:11.45 | candidat | hello :) |
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| 14:42.41 | alx_fly | anyone running into this problem ? /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session[1910]: #011(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. |
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| 14:46.03 | alx_fly | kills his dell 7537 |
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| 14:47.05 | jelly | talin: that does not look like a problem, just some random line from Xorg log |
| 14:47.14 | jelly | erm. |
| 14:47.19 | jelly | alx_fly: that does not look like a problem, just some random line from Xorg log |
| 14:47.20 | jhutchins_wk | alx_fly: That's pretty meaningless without context. What operation yeilds this error? Does anything fail? |
| 14:47.25 | jelly | !ask |
| 14:47.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 14:50.41 | alx_fly | jelly, jhutchins_wk: gdm does not show up. it causes since updateing yesterday. i used before the nvidia-dkms, bumblebee and kernel 4.14 from backports. the update fails and broke some dependencies. now i removed the 4.15bpo kernel and the backports packages and installed 4.9.0.6 and nvidia bumblebee. after that my gdm does not start |
| 14:50.50 | alx_fly | running debian 9 |
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| 14:53.25 | jelly | ah, so it's likely a change in kernel broke nvidia driver (dkms building) again |
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| 14:55.44 | alx_fly | here the logs: https://pastebin.com/LG7dXewY https://pastebin.com/rytiWCM0 |
| 14:56.28 | alx_fly | jelly: done dkms rebuild and nvidia works fine. but gdm is not showing up. HELL |
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| 14:57.52 | alx_fly | alex@Inspiron-7537:~$ optirun glxgears |
| 14:57.55 | alx_fly | 3968 frames in 5.0 seconds = 793.452 FPS |
| 14:57.57 | alx_fly | [VGL] ERROR: in readback-- |
| 14:57.59 | alx_fly | [VGL] 254: Window has been deleted by window manager |
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| 15:01.14 | alx_fly | jelly, jhutchins_wk: here the full log https://pastebin.com/4736M0eB |
| 15:01.17 | alx_fly | syslog |
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| 15:03.19 | davorin | hmm...how well is gtx1050 supported in debian 9? |
| 15:03.38 | alx_fly | dmesg https://pastebin.com/nmYA9v7t jelly |
| 15:03.45 | Trel | Ok, odd question, from the debian home page, how do I navigate to the current iso with the extra drivers and firmwares? I know how to find it through google, but not manually through links from the debian site. |
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| 15:05.47 | Trel | nevermind, I found a path there |
| 15:05.57 | karlpinc | Trel: I don't know the navigation. I always ask the bot here. |
| 15:07.24 | Trel | I found it though, it's a small text link just mentioned on the cdimage download page. |
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| 15:08.50 | Trel | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ and then "Look under /cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ if you need that CD image instead." (some of that text is a link) |
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| 15:19.05 | bolovanos | hithere |
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| 15:22.23 | alx_fly | after killing gdm3 gdm starts |
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| 15:30.00 | alx_fly | so could someone help. i dont want to reinstall debian XD |
| 15:31.05 | LtL | alx_fly: how do you 'kill' it? Try systemctl stop gdm3 |
| 15:31.34 | alx_fly | LtL: killall gdm3 |
| 15:31.51 | LtL | alx_fly: not a good method. |
| 15:32.06 | alx_fly | i know |
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| 15:32.12 | alx_fly | will use systemd |
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| 15:34.26 | alx_fly | now i am confused |
| 15:34.32 | alx_fly | LtL: gdm3 starts at boot. many time it does not |
| 15:34.44 | alx_fly | and i dont know what goes wrond |
| 15:34.54 | alx_fly | LtL: THX for your advice |
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| 15:37.59 | LtL | alx_fly: look at journalctl and other logs to see whats happening. |
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| 15:39.08 | alx_fly | would you help? i dont maintained a system since some years XD |
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| 15:41.15 | LtL | alx_fly: systemctl status gdm3 for starters, journalctl -f to see what is happening. Also logfiles in /var/log/messages /var/log/syslog |
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| 15:43.14 | alx_fly | LtL: https://pastebin.com/9YtnmBLA |
| 15:43.26 | alx_fly | grep EE /var/log/messages |
| 15:43.44 | alx_fly | really strange errors |
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| 15:45.18 | LtL | alx_fly: is that paste /var/log/messages? |
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| 15:45.40 | alx_fly | yeah, but only the EE errors |
| 15:46.23 | LtL | alx_fly: ok, what does 'systemctl status gdm3' state/say? |
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| 15:47.32 | alx_fly | LtL: https://pastebin.com/6G4UsPwy |
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| 15:49.19 | LtL | alx_fly: that looks good, the touchscreen errors seem to be an issue. |
| 15:51.06 | alx_fly | LtL: what would be the good way? get a new screen XD |
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| 15:52.46 | LtL | alx_fly: please keep messages in the channel so others can assist. I can't say if the screen itself is the problem. Try 'journalctl -f' and see if there are errors there. |
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| 15:54.38 | alx_fly | LtL: https://pastebin.com/XbC9Adtp, |
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| 15:55.43 | LtL | alx_fly: you stated 'nvidia-dkms bumblebee and the kernel from backports then removed them. That may have caused issues. I'm not sure. |
| 15:57.06 | alx_fly | LtL: is it possible to reinstall all default packages? |
| 15:57.13 | alx_fly | damn got no backup |
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| 15:59.29 | LtL | alx_fly: y0u could try, 'apt-get install --reinstall <pkg>' but that may be risky unless you know the exact offending package. Downgrading is risky at best, it look like a display problem though. |
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| 16:01.22 | alx_fly | LtL: the only good thing is that bumblebee works on my machine with 4.9.0.6 kernel |
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| 16:04.52 | LtL | alx_fly: re-installing -all- default packages would be more difficult than re-installing from scratch without a dpkg --get-selections file _before_ all those changes. |
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| 16:08.09 | LtL | alx_fly: I wish I could be more definitive, but nvidia-dkms and bumble I have no experience with. |
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| 16:09.10 | LtL | alx_fly: if this is a fresh install, you know what works so a re-install would be pretty quick. |
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| 16:09.34 | jhutchins_wk | I think you want /var/log/Xorg.0.log for EE messages. |
| 16:10.27 | jhutchins_wk | The status of gdm3 would be significant when it fails to start more than when it succeeds. |
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| 16:11.16 | jhutchins_wk | Hmmm. Gone already. |
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| 16:16.17 | alx_fly | LtL: yeah it would be quick. mv /home to an backup device... |
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| 16:16.47 | alx_fly | gdm gives no errors but no screen. after restart gdm3 in tty2 it worked and gdm3 show up |
| 16:16.56 | alx_fly | so could be this fixed? |
| 16:17.40 | LtL | alx_fly: jhutchins_wk wisely suggests looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 16:24.34 | dada78641 | Hi there! I'm trying to get internet working with the "wl" proprietary driver (via here https://wiki.debian.org/wl ) but unfortunately it doesn't seem to work. When I run "modprobe wl" I'm told that the module was not found. I've double checked the wiki's steps (temporarily connected via bluetooth internet sharing) and all the prerequisites seem to install fine, but can't seem to figure out what it is I'm doing wrong. |
| 16:26.04 | jelly | dada78641: if it's not found it probably means the build procedure was not successful |
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| 16:27.34 | dada78641 | Could be, but I'm not sure how I can tell whether that's the case. The wiki only tells me to install things, and then activate the module. |
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| 16:27.58 | dada78641 | Or rather it says "dkms will build the module" |
| 16:28.07 | dada78641 | Maybe I need to do something manually to start that process then? |
| 16:29.16 | alx_fly | LtL: thousend of times i get following error: |
| 16:29.18 | alx_fly | [ 228.595] (EE) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Read error 9 |
| 16:29.31 | BanHammor | dada78641, could you uninstall and reinstall broadcom-sta-dkms from your terminal and post the full output of it? |
| 16:29.40 | dada78641 | Yes, will do |
| 16:29.42 | BanHammor | of the installation command that is |
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| 16:30.37 | alx_fly | LtL: grep 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Read error 9' /var/log/Xorg.0.log | wc -l |
| 16:30.39 | alx_fly | 127825 |
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| 16:30.48 | dada78641 | Ah, I think that revealed something I missed before. Upon reinstalling it says it skipped the module build because the 4.15.0-2-amd64 kernel headers haven't been installed |
| 16:30.55 | jelly | dada78641: the output of broadcom-sta-dkms package installation shows whether the build was successful. You can probably do "dpkg-reconfigure broadcom-sta-dkms" to try building it again |
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| 16:31.23 | jelly | dada78641: install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 16:31.40 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 16:31.42 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.16.0-1-686-pae (4.16.5-1); buster: 4.15.0-3-686-pae (4.15.17-1); stretch-backports: 4.15.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.15.11-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u3~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
| 16:31.43 | judd | (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.101-1) |
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| 16:32.37 | jelly | dada78641: looks like you'll have to upgrade both the kernel and headers, unless you want to fetch old headers from snapshot.debian.org. Also, if you're on testing or unstable, it's better to ask in |
| 16:32.39 | jelly | !debian-nexyt |
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| 16:32.46 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 16:32.46 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 16:34.08 | dada78641 | hm, it claims it can't find linux-headers-4.15.0-2-amd64, although I do have linux-headers-amd64 at (4.9+80+deb9u4) installed |
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| 16:34.23 | dada78641 | that one comes from the wiki guide |
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| 16:36.09 | eugenmayer | why is someting like "source /home/me/env.sh; env" not working in cron. It seems like the env is never popuplated |
| 16:36.38 | eugenmayer | when i pipe the output to a logfile, the ENV is always only the bare minimum ( default path / home.) and thats it |
| 16:37.35 | eugenmayer | seems like it should be possible - generally ; https://stackoverflow.com/a/13579786/3625317 |
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| 16:38.03 | jelly | eugenmayer: crond avoids running commands in a subshell when it feels it can. Do "sh -c '. /home/me/env.sh; env'" |
| 16:38.03 | dada78641 | I'll see if debian-next knows what the deal is with the kernel headers, seems that must be the key. Thanks for the help :) |
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| 16:38.32 | jelly | dada78641: you probably have old kernel running right now, and headers for it are gone from the repo |
| 16:39.13 | dada78641 | My uname -r seems to be 4.15.0-2-amd64, no idea if that's old or not |
| 16:39.31 | jelly | it's old, see what judd bot said above |
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| 16:40.05 | eugenmayer | jelly: interesting - trying that |
| 16:40.07 | dada78641 | Aha, ok |
| 16:42.26 | jelly | eugenmayer: and your /bin/sh might not know what "source " command is |
| 16:42.35 | eugenmayer | jelly: that worked. Serously how crappy, unpredictible and horribly designed is cron actually |
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| 16:43.11 | eugenmayer | it never logs anything, it never telss why it does not run anything, it needs a newline ( sometimes ). It seems like from 1960 without any love gone to it since then ;/ |
| 16:43.17 | jelly | eugenmayer: reading the manual pages crontab(5) and cron(8) can clear up so many issues |
| 16:43.43 | eugenmayer | i did read it, and nothing of that is inside there :) And googling about cron issues alone does help understand, how bad it is designed |
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| 16:43.58 | jelly | eugenmayer: enabling cron.* in syslog and setting up working mail delivery can be helpful, too |
| 16:44.04 | eugenmayer | in my case, if you would see that - thats rediculous. |
| 16:44.25 | eugenmayer | jelly: nevertheless, thank you for the subshell trick, that did it. |
| 16:44.49 | jelly | I agree is rather special, but SHELL=/bin/sh is doumented |
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| 16:45.47 | jelly | and Debian's default /bin/sh does not do "source" |
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| 16:46.16 | CMLSC | Could anyone help me with some installation issues I'm having with debian? |
| 16:46.21 | jelly | !ask |
| 16:46.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:46.40 | jelly | that means you CMLSC |
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| 16:46.48 | CMLSC | okay |
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| 16:47.19 | CMLSC | Basically I tried to install debian and chose the settings to replace all the OSes on the hard drive, but for some reason it seems that the installation did nothing. |
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| 16:48.00 | jelly | CMLSC: does that mean any previously existing partitions are still present? |
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| 16:48.06 | CMLSC | Previous boot options are still there and I can't find debian under the other boot options in the bios. |
| 16:48.23 | CMLSC | jelly the debian installation said it was going to repartition everything |
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| 16:48.43 | jelly | yes. But it didn't say it was going to clear up old UEFI boot options, sadly |
| 16:48.44 | CMLSC | so they shouldn't be |
| 16:49.22 | jelly | is your system booting via UEFI or legacy MBR/bios? |
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| 16:49.28 | CMLSC | I chose the options to replace the other boot options because it thought there wasn't any OS on it anyway |
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| 16:49.52 | CMLSC | jelly I can't get UEFI to work, but I can boot from legacy |
| 16:50.04 | CMLSC | specifically the flash drive I was using to install |
| 16:50.13 | jelly | CMLSC: can you take a screenshot of the boot options and put it someplace like imgur.com? |
| 16:50.22 | jelly | or picpaste.com |
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| 16:51.05 | jelly | ok. a phone cam shot of the screen, not technically "screenshot" |
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| 16:54.52 | CMLSC | jelly https://i.imgur.com/q9lyLxD.jpg |
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| 16:55.09 | CMLSC | my original ubuntu install broke when I installed some software updates |
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| 16:55.25 | jelly | CMLSC: okay. So you have an UEFI boot entry for ubuntu. |
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| 16:55.34 | CMLSC | yeah |
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| 16:55.46 | jelly | what happens of you choose that |
| 16:55.53 | jelly | if* |
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| 16:56.23 | CMLSC | Dell SupportAssist "Your system seems to be having trouble starting. Dell SupportAssist is scanning your hardware for a possible cause." |
| 16:56.33 | jelly | fuckwhat |
| 16:56.46 | CMLSC | jelly that's the broken ubuntu install |
| 16:56.51 | jelly | the goal now is probably to boot Debian somehow, then call the tool for editing uefi boot choices |
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| 16:57.13 | CMLSC | I have a ubuntu iso that I could put on the flashdrive |
| 16:57.29 | jelly | efibootmgr? I'll have to find some uefi machine to look |
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| 16:57.41 | CMLSC | There isn't a "try debian" option, right? |
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| 16:57.50 | jelly | there are debian live images |
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| 16:58.11 | CMLSC | jelly I have some ubuntu isos already though |
| 16:58.24 | jelly | any linux that boots will probably do |
| 16:58.43 | jelly | even the installer has a shell on Ctrl-Alt-F3 |
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| 16:59.23 | CMLSC | jelly shouldn't take long to prepare the iso... |
| 16:59.28 | jelly | but I have to run away right now, hopefully someone will hop in |
| 16:59.48 | CMLSC | okay |
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| 17:01.20 | sky_ | hello can someone hack in to linux os ? |
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| 17:05.35 | CMLSC | looks like I can't boot from the flash drive now... idk why |
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| 17:06.09 | mtn | CMLSC: do you still have the debian install disk? |
| 17:06.20 | CMLSC | mtn I had it on a flash drive |
| 17:06.27 | mtn | CMLSC: did or do? |
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| 17:06.31 | CMLSC | just replaced it with ubuntu |
| 17:06.40 | sky_ | CMLSC can my linux distro could be hacked/ |
| 17:06.41 | CMLSC | ah, I got it running from the legacy options again |
| 17:06.59 | mtn | CMLSC: ok. I always use the debian install disk for repairs. It has a nice repair function |
| 17:07.24 | CMLSC | mtn the iso I was using might've had a repair option |
| 17:07.26 | CMLSC | not sure |
| 17:07.39 | CMLSC | just trying to get to a terminal for now |
| 17:07.39 | mtn | CMLSC: the debian install disk does for sure |
| 17:08.21 | sky_ | windows guy saying they can hack me on linux ? |
| 17:09.48 | oerheks | sky_, we don't comment on windows-rumours |
| 17:10.14 | oerheks | !fud |
| 17:10.14 | dpkg | fud is probably Fear, uncertainty, doubt. Originally invented by IBM, but now used by many others. or YAFA. or Fscking Useless Data or otherwise known as false information or mindless facts with no backup facts or http://www.winntmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=7420 |
| 17:10.33 | CMLSC | mtn so my hard drive has 5 partitions |
| 17:10.48 | CMLSC | 2 4MB partitions for booting. |
| 17:10.56 | CMLSC | and 3 others |
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| 17:12.15 | sky_ | oerheks yes they said i must install antivirus or they hack me |
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| 17:13.33 | mtn | CMLSC: if you have that many partitions, the the install didn't work the way you said. It should only be two partitions, one root and one swap. |
| 17:16.06 | mtn | CMLSC: why not do the install again? make sure what it is doing and that it is what you want it to do. |
| 17:16.07 | CMLSC | mtn here's what is says https://pastebin.com/Gjs3cEhG |
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| 17:16.33 | CMLSC | mtn what settings do I need to choose though? |
| 17:16.56 | CMLSC | I thought I chose the right ones. (I can't name them all, but I'll remember which ones I chose if you name them) |
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| 17:24.56 | sky_ | that guy in windows room saying that he can hack in to debian or i must install antivirus ,There is any anti virus for debian ? |
| 17:25.00 | mtn | CMLSC: sorry, I am not familiar with that kind of setup. |
| 17:25.51 | mtn | sky_: antivirus is not needed while using linux. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware |
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| 17:26.38 | sky_ | mtn than how he s saying he can hack in my debian pc |
| 17:27.18 | mtn | sky_: he is trolling you or you are just trolling this channel |
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| 17:28.29 | sky_ | mtn he s trolling me by hacking may be ? |
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| 17:31.41 | CMLSC | mtn do my partitions still look wrong? |
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| 17:33.16 | mtn | CMLSC: as I said, I am not familiar with your kind of setup. I would only use 2 partitions |
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| 17:36.23 | CMLSC | mtn okay |
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| 17:38.22 | annadane | antiviruses are often useless at best anyway and at worst actively harmful |
| 17:38.31 | annadane | certainly on linux boxes |
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| 17:38.45 | eugenmayer | jelly: our of any reason its still not working. I deploy on a stretch, creating a /etc/cron.d/drupal using that statement in a docker file https://www.pastiebin.com/5aeb49197d959 |
| 17:39.08 | eugenmayer | jelly: now, it simply never runs until i just edit the file with vim and save it - then it gets executed |
| 17:39.19 | eugenmayer | it really drives me nuts ;/ |
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| 17:40.58 | jelly | eugenmayer: are there any differences in the file before and after editing? |
| 17:41.18 | eugenmayer | according to cat -A there are now |
| 17:41.21 | eugenmayer | *not |
| 17:41.31 | jelly | file size? diff -u? |
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| 17:41.44 | jelly | I have no clue what cat -A does |
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| 17:41.49 | annadane | doubly so if the person is running an antivirus because they expect defaults to do all the work for them in place of making healthy decisions |
| 17:42.13 | greycat | I would look for cron's logs from the times when it failed. |
| 17:42.55 | jelly | crond notoriosly ignores last lines without \n without complaining at all |
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| 17:43.12 | greycat | and vim would add a final \n if it were missing... |
| 17:43.35 | jelly | eugenmayer: which your docker automation should really know about, if that's the cause |
| 17:43.48 | jelly | it's been that way for 20+ years now |
| 17:44.15 | greycat | still doesn't know how "cat -A" is a substitute for diff. |
| 17:45.02 | jelly | meow |
| 17:45.31 | jelly | oh, that's no automation, that looks like echo > file |
| 17:45.49 | eugenmayer | jeezy: cat -A shows all spacial characters |
| 17:46.02 | greycat | but it doesn't show you the differences between two files |
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| 17:46.11 | eugenmayer | jelly: ^^ adding \n does not help me at all |
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| 17:46.31 | jelly | eugenmayer: adding it where? |
| 17:46.33 | CMLSC | oh hey jelly |
| 17:46.42 | jelly | hi |
| 17:46.45 | CMLSC | jelly these are my partitions: https://pastebin.com/Gjs3cEhG |
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| 17:46.48 | greycat | You said you edited the file in vim. Vim adds a \n to the end if it was originally missing. By default. |
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| 17:47.06 | eugenmayer | jelly: https://www.pastiebin.com/5aeb4b1640447 |
| 17:47.31 | greycat | that is not a diff between the files before and after editing |
| 17:47.32 | eugenmayer | jelly: i tried that before (\n) adds a newline, but cron does not care still, not execution before i edit it with vim |
| 17:47.43 | jelly | CMLSC: what kind of system is this that it only has 32GB flash for boot disk? |
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| 17:48.20 | greycat | what the hell is that 2>&1'n" |
| 17:48.36 | jelly | eugenmayer: ok. Same question about file difference before and after editing, then |
| 17:48.47 | eugenmayer | a typo |
| 17:49.03 | eugenmayer | greycat: echo "* * * * * www-data /bin/sh -c '. /home/www-data/envs.sh;drush --root=${DRUPAL_ROOT} @all -y core:cron >> /var/log/drupal/cron 2>&1'\n" > /etc/cron.d/drupal \ |
| 17:49.12 | jelly | eugenmayer: you should probably use printf instead of echo, if that's a shell snippet |
| 17:49.33 | eugenmayer | i will deploy that and give you a diff, but AFICS yet, since cat -A does not show me any difference, diff will neither. But sill, let me try that |
| 17:49.41 | greycat | eugenmayer: what you just pasted into chat is NOT what appeared on your web page. |
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| 17:50.03 | CMLSC | jelly a really bad laptop that someone gave to me for free |
| 17:50.04 | eugenmayer | greycat: yes, i made a typo. I was using that before so i was just quickly adjusting |
| 17:50.15 | CMLSC | it couldn't fit windows, so they just let me have it |
| 17:50.19 | greycat | eugenmayer: whether this means your chosen pastebin ate the character or whether it means you EDITED SOMETHING, we cannot know. Also, that literal \n is not correct AND IS NOT WHAT JELLY AND I WERE SAYING. |
| 17:50.24 | jelly | CMLSC: oh, like a netbook thingy? |
| 17:50.35 | CMLSC | dell inspiron-somethingorother |
| 17:50.55 | jelly | it's possible they do something weird with boot process. But still ubuntu managed to install itself properly |
| 17:50.59 | CMLSC | jelly Dell Inspiron 14-3452 I think. |
| 17:51.05 | CMLSC | jelly not properly |
| 17:51.06 | greycat | eugenmayer: run "diff -u" on the NON-WORKING file and the WORKING file. |
| 17:51.12 | jelly | improperly? |
| 17:51.16 | CMLSC | like I said, I had to start ubuntu 3 times for it to actually start properly |
| 17:51.22 | CMLSC | or did I not mention that? xD |
| 17:51.27 | CMLSC | it was weird |
| 17:51.28 | eugenmayer | i will. greycat relaxe, i am not trying to waste either of yours time. |
| 17:51.41 | CMLSC | the way it broke was also weird(software updates) |
| 17:52.17 | jelly | CMLSC: that's output of lsblk? |
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| 17:53.07 | CMLSC | jelly yep |
| 17:53.14 | CMLSC | or at least the hard drive partition partsd |
| 17:53.16 | CMLSC | *parts |
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| 17:54.02 | jelly | I don't really know a lot about uefi boot issues, but you ought to have a vfat efi boot partition, possibly one tiny (4MB sounds about right) partition for grub stage2, and then two normal partiitons for linux and linux swap |
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| 17:54.56 | jelly | not sure what those two mmcblk0boot* are |
| 17:55.02 | CMLSC | jelly so any idea what I should do? |
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| 17:55.27 | jelly | and partitions 1, 2 then 5 sound like MBR partition table format and not GPT which is more common with UEFI |
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| 17:56.20 | jelly | CMLSC: you basically only have two real partitions, mmcblk0p1 and mmcblk0p5, and it looks like debian did that part right |
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| 17:57.06 | CMLSC | jelly so why are ubuntu and windows boot manager my boot options? |
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| 17:58.17 | jelly | CMLSC: that's a good question. Which os you have booted now? |
| 17:58.54 | tw | That's not a normal setup. You're booting a non-embedded system off mmc? Is this a chromebook or something? |
| 17:59.00 | CMLSC | jelly I've got ubuntu on the flash drive |
| 17:59.23 | CMLSC | the installation specifically, but I'm using the "try ubuntu" thing for the terminal |
| 17:59.25 | jelly | CMLSC: okay. Can you "mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt" as root |
| 17:59.39 | jelly | open a root shell with "sudo -i" first |
| 17:59.49 | jelly | you'll be doing a lot of stuff as root |
| 18:00.16 | jelly | tw: cheap netbook looks kinda embedded... |
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| 18:00.51 | tw | My money is on custom boot block location in boot0/boot1. |
| 18:00.52 | CMLSC | jelly should it say anything? |
| 18:00.56 | CMLSC | I did it tho |
| 18:01.13 | CMLSC | the "mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt" |
| 18:01.57 | jelly | no, if it's quiet it means it worked |
| 18:02.07 | CMLSC | anything else? |
| 18:02.10 | jelly | "df" or "mount" should show it's mounted now |
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| 18:03.05 | CMLSC | so under df I should see "/dev/mmcblk0p1 27949140 4001580 22504744 16% /mnt"? |
| 18:03.06 | jelly | CMLSC: now, prepare to do stuff in debian inside chroot. for each of /dev, /proc, /sys, do something like: "mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev" |
| 18:03.10 | jelly | yes |
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| 18:03.46 | CMLSC | wdym for each /dev, /proc, and /sys? |
| 18:03.50 | CMLSC | the stuff under df? |
| 18:04.12 | CMLSC | oh, under mount |
| 18:04.16 | jelly | run "mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev" and "mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc" and... |
| 18:04.17 | CMLSC | all of them? |
| 18:04.33 | jelly | all three |
| 18:05.07 | CMLSC | did it |
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| 18:05.12 | CMLSC | anything else? |
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| 18:05.27 | jelly | and then you might be able to "chroot /mnt" and get a shell inside debian installation |
| 18:06.05 | CMLSC | jelly it switched from "root@ubuntu:~#" to "root@ubuntu:/#" |
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| 18:06.09 | CMLSC | still ubuntu tho |
| 18:06.20 | jelly | that's still the host name |
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| 18:06.28 | CMLSC | what now? |
| 18:07.00 | jelly | ubuntu iso sets host name to "ubuntu" at boot. It's only set once at boot time usually. Not relevant. |
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| 18:07.16 | CMLSC | I gtg for a little bit. .-. |
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| 18:07.28 | jelly | see you later |
| 18:07.31 | CMLSC | I'll be back later and I'll read whatever is in here |
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| 18:08.40 | jelly | CMLSC: the general idea is to find the efi boot partition, mount it inside debian chroot shell at /boot/efi, then use efibootmgr to remove old entries and add one for debian |
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| 18:10.21 | jelly | CMLSC: possibly install grub-efi-amd64 or grub-efi-ia32, whichever works for your system |
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| 18:24.45 | CMLSC | jelly I'm back |
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| 18:26.03 | CMLSC | also, I have no clue how to do any of that. I'm pretty new to using linux. ._. |
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| 18:29.08 | CMLSC | lol, apparently this laptop has 1 star on amazon. |
| 18:29.26 | CMLSC | I gotta say though, it's got a good battery life |
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| 18:32.03 | eugenmayer | jelly: greycat: https://www.pastiebin.com/5aeb559ad1707 |
| 18:32.21 | eugenmayer | as expected, the diff is non existent, nothing is diffrent |
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| 18:34.49 | greycat | eugenmayer: then we have a mystery. Are there any errors from the time when cron *should* be running it, and it's failing to do so? |
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| 18:35.40 | eugenmayer | greycat: since i run cron in the foreground and log it, there is nothing i can see there |
| 18:37.10 | greycat | What *DOES* it show at the time when it looks for jobs in that directory to execute? You have to come up with some details at some point. You can't just keep saying "there is nothing I can do but you should all be able to tell me what to do" |
| 18:37.59 | greycat | Do the OTHER jobs in that directory work at that moment? |
| 18:38.03 | eugenmayer | greycat: how would i trace that? So how can i visualize how cron does anallize. the content of /etc/crontab /etc/cron.d? there is no debug flag for that, is there? |
| 18:38.09 | eugenmayer | yes they do |
| 18:38.20 | greycat | Then SHOW THE FREAKIN' LOGS from that time! |
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| 18:41.41 | greycat | Bah, I should know better than to try to help Docker users. Even outside of #bash. |
| 18:42.21 | eugenmayer | wow. |
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| 18:43.57 | greycat | reads cron(8) and sees "the files in the /etc/cron.d directory are monitored for changes" and wonders if the Docker component of the problem has made it so that cron(8) doesn't know the file is there, until you "change" it by saving in vim |
| 18:44.11 | greycat | also sees "the system administrator should not use/etc/cron.d/" |
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| 18:45.59 | eugenmayer | you have 0 clue of docker, what i do or whatever you rant about. So why in hell you even involve? I did hopefully not force you to try to help, in any case i invite you to not do so |
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| 18:58.53 | rigoabe | hi i may have screwed up my x2 with jessie. now this little box boots only in emergency mode. journalctl -xn is like chinese for me at the moment. meaning i have no idea what to check. can i pastebin the content here? |
| 18:59.34 | rigoabe | oh yeah. this happened after i tried to upgrade from jessie to stretch of course (don't ask why i did it... i'm like a kid) |
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| 19:01.18 | petn-randall | rigoabe: What is a x2? |
| 19:01.43 | wodny | petn-randall: filesystem type in japanese ;) |
| 19:01.48 | annadane | thinkpad model...? |
| 19:02.03 | rigoabe | it is a cheap "allwinner" beelink x2 |
| 19:02.23 | annadane | ah |
| 19:02.54 | petn-randall | annadane: Those have more digits to signify speed. |
| 19:03.09 | annadane | yeah |
| 19:03.15 | petn-randall | rigoabe: Did the upgrade even go all the way through? |
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| 19:03.16 | petn-randall | !apt |
| 19:03.16 | dpkg | Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>. |
| 19:03.31 | petn-randall | rigoabe: Can you provide all of the above in a single paste? We can then check what's up. |
| 19:03.35 | eugenmayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.46 | rigoabe | petn-randall: now it did after i did it locally not remotely via putty. |
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| 19:05.38 | rigoabe | http://paste.debian.net/1023175 i'm checking the rest like dmesg and so |
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| 19:07.00 | petn-randall | rigoabe: Did the kernel upgrade cleanly? |
| 19:07.31 | rigoabe | i'm not sure what that means |
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| 19:09.01 | wodny | rigoabe: what does `$ dpkg -l | grep linux-image` say? |
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| 19:10.11 | rigoabe | linux-image-sun8i 5.38 armhf linux kernel, version 3.4.113-sun8i |
| 19:10.35 | rigoabe | starts with ii sorry. |
| 19:10.47 | mrig | Hello, having a little trouble booting my debian box, something seems to be a miss with it. Booting in recovery mode and it seems to freeze at the line: 'random: crng init done' |
| 19:11.21 | wodny | mrig: is a physical machine and a virtual machine? |
| 19:11.35 | wodny | *or |
| 19:11.47 | mrig | wodny a physical machine, has been running fine. |
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| 19:12.14 | mrig | no instillation or changes, I am suspecting hardware but could well be wrong. |
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| 19:13.02 | wodny | mrig: do you have any encrypted partitions/filesystems? |
| 19:13.16 | rigoabe | wodny: but apt update, apt upgrade and apt dist-upgrade shows that all packages are up to date |
| 19:13.41 | jelly | rigoabe: that's built from a sunxi vendor kernel tree and has quite a number of issues |
| 19:13.44 | mrig | there is no encryption no, partitions yes |
| 19:14.28 | wodny | mrig: do you mean you have encrypted partitions or just have partitions? |
| 19:14.33 | rigoabe | well upgrading a system that works just fine was a mistake i know that :) now is there a way to a) fix it or b) downgrade it back to the old one? |
| 19:14.45 | mrig | just partitions, they are not encrypted. |
| 19:14.58 | jelly | rigoabe: "restore the system from previous backup" |
| 19:15.28 | mrig | when I try a normal boot, it does its own file system check which is ok, and then freezes. |
| 19:16.23 | jelly | rigoabe: given the lack of (some) kernel features for systemd, the system might work better (or at least fail differently) with sysvinit |
| 19:16.36 | rigoabe | and that goes how? naturally, i didn't do a backup.. bc why.. |
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| 19:16.49 | jelly | !stretch sysvinit |
| 19:16.50 | dpkg | To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again. |
| 19:16.51 | wodny | mrig: hmm, you may be right with a hardware malfunction. the last easy thing to check would be typing mindlessly on keyboard during the freeze phase. maybe for some reason something needs entropy and that is why it freezes. |
| 19:17.04 | jelly | rigoabe: but that means apt has to work |
| 19:17.34 | rigoabe | yeah. that seems easy. will check right away |
| 19:17.36 | mrig | wodny, just doing that as you send the message, spooky! |
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| 19:18.08 | mrig | ok so now it starts ... |
| 19:18.11 | mrig | :| |
| 19:18.29 | Schmeckle | Guys sorry to post this here, I know it doesn't fit, but I am still beginner in IRC channels and stuff. Where would I post the following question best, in which channel? Or maybe one of you can answer it. "Do you know any good books about the early times of the internet, especially early successful applications/software/websites/phenomenae of it." |
| 19:18.30 | wodny | mrig: it started after typing some letters? |
| 19:18.36 | mrig | Why thank you wodny, you are a genius :D |
| 19:18.46 | mrig | wodny, it would appear so |
| 19:18.47 | eugenmayer | wodny: how .. you .. new ⦠that :) |
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| 19:18.58 | jelly | Schmeckle: ##history ? |
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| 19:19.17 | rigoabe | removing systemd-sysv when i thought i've learned a new thing and can use it. :D |
| 19:19.28 | jelly | Schmeckle: there's a bot used to hunt for irc channels on this network, /msg alis list keywordhere |
| 19:19.40 | wodny | mrig: eugenmayer: i have seen things like that on physical embedded machines and on virtual machines |
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| 19:19.59 | greycat | Schmeckle: and if you can't find it from alis, ask in #freenode |
| 19:20.00 | wodny | sometimes as a workaround i install the haveged daemon to "produce" entropy |
| 19:20.21 | Schmeckle | Hey thanks, you are really helpful. Sorry again for the off-topic! |
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| 19:20.38 | wodny | i should probably add that installing haveged may influence security of the system (cryptography) |
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| 19:21.11 | jelly | wodny: haveged is probably just fine for physical systems with actual working rdtsc instruction |
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| 19:21.24 | rigoabe | well. the systemd was screwed up. one careful question... only very dully asked.. can i put systemd back now? :D |
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| 19:22.12 | jelly | rigoabe: I _think_ you'd install systemd-sysv and reboot again. Did you look what got removed when you installed the sysvinit thingy? |
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| 19:22.28 | rigoabe | yeah. it got removed. |
| 19:22.42 | jelly | so you could have answered that one yourself. |
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| 19:22.59 | jelly | it won't get magically fixed after a removal and reinstall, tho |
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| 19:23.09 | eugenmayer | wodny: i still wonder. Impressive! |
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| 19:24.01 | rigoabe | so it was incompatibility not a messed up file/setting i see |
| 19:24.37 | jelly | rigoabe: it's kind of both |
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| 19:25.21 | rigoabe | great. well thanks for the help and it seems that i have a man to dig through tomorrow. |
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| 19:25.27 | jelly | systemd should fail nicer, and you could probably have worked around it by disabling some functionality to make the system boot properly |
| 19:25.34 | mrig | wodny, I tend to use this machine to stream video whilst typing on another, could be that there was not enough interaction for the entropy thingy in the kernel? |
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| 19:26.24 | mrig | Anyways thanks again wodny |
| 19:26.29 | jelly | sysvinit will mostly just ignore services that fail at boot, even if they're important. systemd just thinks everything is absolutely essential |
| 19:26.51 | mrig | Would have probably started reinstalling if it were not for your sudgestion. |
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| 19:27.31 | rigoabe | well. all i need is the airdc, transmission, openssh and samba. ntfs-3g (?) and that's pretty much of it |
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| 19:27.48 | wodny | mrig: probably that was it. you try the haveged daemon to minimize the risk of a hang. |
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| 19:28.51 | wodny | as jelly suggested it may even not be a security problem, i have too little knowledge about RNGs to oppose |
| 19:29.04 | wodny | *you can try |
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| 19:29.53 | rigoabe | thanks. at boot there are 100 lines of memfd open () errors. i'll check it later |
| 19:30.04 | rigoabe | alrighty i'm outta here thanks again! |
| 19:31.46 | jelly | CMLSC: you may have no clue but other people in here or in ##linux might |
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| 19:32.52 | JordiGH | So you know Monday's xkcd? https://xkcd.com/1987/ |
| 19:32.59 | JordiGH | The situation has never been this bad for me in Debian. |
| 19:33.13 | JordiGH | All that homebrew, anaconda, and frameworks thing... isn't this a macOS problem? |
| 19:33.24 | greycat | homebrew is definitely mac |
| 19:33.37 | JordiGH | So, has Python been hellish to install on Debian? |
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| 19:34.01 | greycat | only when we get people in here asking how they can run the most bleeding-edge python version on Debian stable or oldstable or oldoldstable. |
| 19:34.17 | greycat | (Yes, that happens. No, don't ask me why.) |
| 19:34.55 | annadane | why does that h- oh |
| 19:35.23 | jelly | JordiGH: they've never seen the javascript situation, then |
| 19:35.30 | JordiGH | Meanwhile, I'm happy using whatever Python there is in Debian. |
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| 19:35.51 | greycat | Yeah, this happens with python, PHP, and node.js. |
| 19:36.30 | eugenmayer | JordiGH: then you never ran in full suffistacted stack on debian for a litte more complex software. |
| 19:36.37 | jelly | but #debian-offtopic is right next door -> |
| 19:36.52 | eugenmayer | espcially with PHP back in jessie / squeeze time it was so horrible.. |
| 19:37.21 | greycat | squeeze was 2 releases before jessie |
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| 19:38.03 | eugenmayer | it was not really different on wheezy, but i remember those 2 particular beeng as bad as it gets. |
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| 19:49.25 | UukGoblin | it appears rsync 3.1.3 has some file-list validation (including buffer overflow) fixes, is there any reason why it didn't get security-packaged? |
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| 19:50.17 | UukGoblin | also, this command executes beep on somehost, not sure if that's fixed in 3.1.3 yet: rsync 'somehost:\";beep' ./b |
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| 19:52.08 | bites | UukGoblin: do you have the CVE number of those security issues? |
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| 19:53.59 | UukGoblin | bites, nope; I'm not sure what the fixes in 3.1.3 do, and regarding that beep I've just discovered it myself, not sure if that's a feature or not |
| 19:54.01 | alphanet | something bizarre: on a jessie system, I have both libffi5 and libffi6 and libllvm3.0 and libllvm3.5 installed; aptitude tells me that libffi5 and libllvm3.0 are obsolete: if I try to uninstall those, apt-get wants to deinstall clamav, any idea why? |
| 19:54.12 | UukGoblin | (can of course be anything else than a beep too) |
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| 19:54.20 | greycat | because clamav depends on that lib |
| 19:54.39 | bites | Then it's hard to give you information on the status of those issues. |
| 19:54.50 | UukGoblin | (I'm running rsync 3.1.2-1+deb9u1) |
| 19:54.52 | jelly | UukGoblin: that's an issue if you don't already have shell access on somehost, but if you do, it's just a bug |
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| 19:56.28 | UukGoblin | ah, I get it, I guess only a CVE triggers a package getting into 'security', that actually makes sense |
| 19:56.35 | alphanet | greycat: actually, you are right; I misread because I have multiple libclamav7 versions in apt-cache show |
| 19:57.01 | bites | UukGoblin: either way. the debian security tracker has an overview. there is only one known vulnerability in rsync in stretch. https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/rsync |
| 19:57.37 | UukGoblin | bites, thanks! |
| 19:57.38 | bites | UukGoblin: also security patches are often backported in debian. so even if the version number does not match, the patches might be there. |
| 19:57.48 | UukGoblin | yup, just thought of that too |
| 19:57.55 | alphanet | greycat: seems I have a more recent libclamav7 than in jessie, that however depends on an older lib |
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| 19:58.24 | UukGoblin | cool, I'll see what #rsync people say about my bug/vuln |
| 19:59.09 | alphanet | greycat: seems the bersion in wheezy security 0.99.4* and the version in jessie 0.99.2 |
| 19:59.34 | alphanet | greycat: will ask LTS |
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| 20:01.37 | minus | how bad of an idea is it to raid1 two disks directly and put a boot partition into it? |
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| 20:01.58 | minus | with md that is |
| 20:02.11 | cmm11 | what are you assuming is bad about that ? |
| 20:02.25 | jelly | minus: what does "directly" mean? |
| 20:03.04 | minus | putting the raid on the /dev/sd[ab] devices instead of into /dev/sd[ab]1 |
| 20:04.04 | jelly | minus: your boot loader might have a hard time dealing with that, and it's a less used configuration which means more bugs, more issues |
| 20:04.15 | minus | cmm11: well, unsure if that's bootable wrt MBR & raid superblock |
| 20:04.32 | jelly | that's ignoring the obvious technical problems |
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| 20:04.43 | cmm11 | i would just do - mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --metadata=1.0 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 |
| 20:05.09 | jelly | you would have to use md metadata version that does not touch beginning of the disk |
| 20:05.27 | minus | oh right, the minor part of the md metadata version specifies the superblock location |
| 20:05.44 | jelly | depending on how much it needs not to touch, it might be 1.0 or 1.2 |
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| 20:05.56 | cmm11 | question is why are you looking to overcomplicate things ? |
| 20:06.19 | jelly | 1.0 puts metadata at the end, and that creates problems if you ever want to replace members with larger ones |
| 20:07.01 | jelly | 1.2 only has a tiny 4KiB at the beginning unused. Which is technically enough for a MBR or GPT, but not a modern boot loader |
| 20:07.06 | minus | what's a better approach then? |
| 20:07.12 | jelly | don't do that |
| 20:07.23 | jelly | is the better approach |
| 20:07.41 | cmm11 | create partitions for the RAID |
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| 20:07.52 | cmm11 | /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 etc |
| 20:07.56 | minus | aye |
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| 20:08.15 | jelly | or keep a separate small boot device, and raid large, storage disks separately |
| 20:08.36 | minus | yeah, i don't have physical access to that server, i just rent it |
| 20:08.42 | jelly | and then you don't have to use partitions at all, just go lvm |
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| 20:08.57 | minus | yeah, that's what i'd do if i could |
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| 20:10.03 | minus | so /boot into a raid1 in /dev/sd[ab]1, and the rest into a raid1 in /dev/sd[ab]2 |
| 20:10.20 | minus | the first one with metadata version 1.0, latter with whatever |
| 20:10.33 | jelly | yes |
| 20:10.50 | jelly | that's the conservative thing to do |
| 20:11.17 | minus | okay cool, thanks for the help |
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| 20:11.33 | jelly | a recent grub2 will know what to do with either md 1.0 or 1.2 anyway |
| 20:11.46 | minus | let's see if i can get this thing to boot (with encrypted root too) |
| 20:11.53 | minus | ah |
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| 20:12.22 | cmm11 | remote unlocking LUKS install is a fun rabbit hole |
| 20:12.42 | minus | speaking of grub; is it best to stick with it or is syslinux good too? |
| 20:12.50 | minus | aye, that'll be fun |
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| 20:13.01 | jelly | it's better to have options |
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| 20:13.28 | minus | but i can boot a rescue system and then boot the original system in an emulator, so that should be easy enough to debug |
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| 20:13.55 | jelly | I have no idea how well syslinux works with md raid. lilo worked with md 0.9 but nothing else |
| 20:13.57 | minus | disclaimer: i'm not a fan of grub and prefer syslinux because of its simplicity |
| 20:14.03 | jelly | (not even 1.0) |
| 20:14.07 | minus | hm |
| 20:14.09 | cmm11 | don't think emulator is the right word there |
| 20:14.11 | minus | odd |
| 20:14.19 | edju | anybody with a pointer to a good source about using nm-applet under kde4? one written for the simple-minded? |
| 20:14.20 | minus | well, a VM |
| 20:14.42 | cmm11 | you're likely thinking of KVM |
| 20:15.08 | jelly | cmm11: it's not hard in stretch, installing dropbear-initramfs, putting keys and network config in the right place |
| 20:15.33 | cmm11 | i've done it with Arch a few times, tried it with ubuntu with that package, but didn't work |
| 20:15.34 | jelly | (Re: remote unlocking LUKS) |
| 20:16.19 | CMLSC | jelly I'm back again |
| 20:16.27 | CMLSC | what do I need to do now? xD |
| 20:16.43 | CMLSC | last thing I did was chroot /mnt |
| 20:16.45 | cmm11 | jelly: i'm surprised it's something that's not more popular |
| 20:16.56 | minus | hm, but if grub2 knows about md, shouldn't putting a boot partition into a raid1 be fine? |
| 20:17.07 | jelly | cmm11: FDE is not popular at all |
| 20:17.22 | cmm11 | yeah iirc that pacakge is very new |
| 20:17.32 | cmm11 | fairly* |
| 20:17.39 | jelly | it's added complexity with little perceived benefits... until disaster strikes |
| 20:17.56 | jelly | much like most security features |
| 20:18.33 | cmm11 | just surprised that folks encrypt /home but forget all the configs that are outside of /home |
| 20:19.42 | relaxed | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:24.40 | anddam | howdy |
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| 20:28.08 | anddam | are jessie/updates and jessie-updates considered "stable-specific"? |
| 20:28.18 | anddam | cf jessie->stretch factoid |
| 20:28.27 | simbalion | Hi, I'm seeing errors suddenly with ip6_tables on multiple servers https://pastebin.com/raw/mu9HX2xq |
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| 20:28.47 | simbalion | someone said this is a problem with the kernel. I'm using the standard Debian 9 kernel... |
| 20:29.05 | simbalion | "Linux version 4.9.0-6-amd64 (debian-kernel@lists.debian.org) (gcc version 6.3.0 20170516 (Debian 6.3.0-18+deb9u1) ) #1 SMP Debian 4.9.82-1+deb9u3 (2018-03-02)" |
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| 20:30.54 | jelly | simbalion: you upgraded kernel packages but did not reboot. |
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| 20:33.04 | jelly | simbalion: kernel ABI is only kept for public ABI. If you upgrade the kernel with same ABI, there's no promise new modules are compatible with old, running kernel even if it's still 4.9.0-6-amd64. Only upgrade kernel when you plan to reboot right away, before that any modules might fail to load. |
| 20:33.37 | howl_ | Hello all, anyone know if modules.alias are persistent? do they get removed after depmod -a? I'm trying to assign a driver to a device that doesn't load a driver by default. Thanks |
| 20:34.11 | jelly | simbalion: if you do regular unattended upgrades, you should probably exclude kernel packages |
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| 20:37.11 | tarragon | Hi All, trying to install a new laptop. Only have an SSD. Guided partition is suggesting 500MB ESP 241GB / and 8GB swap. Is Swap used on SSDs? |
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| 20:40.35 | simbalion | jelly: This also affects brand new droplets? |
| 20:41.08 | simbalion | hrm maybe my script is upgrading the kernel on new builds too |
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| 20:58.08 | imp | what apt do if more than one repository exists? |
| 20:58.18 | karlpinc | tarragon: Swap is always useful -- so when you run out of ram idle tasks can be swapped. |
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| 20:58.27 | imp | i.e. I add two mirrors in sources.list |
| 20:58.39 | karlpinc | tarragon: or even when you don't run out of ram. |
| 20:58.41 | imp | tarragon: I would not use. |
| 20:59.56 | imp | tarragon: instead use zwap |
| 21:00.04 | imp | s/zwap/zswap/g |
| 21:00.21 | greycat | imp: it uses the highest available version, unless you specific a version number. If both mirrors have the same versions of everything, then there is no point. |
| 21:00.56 | imp | greycat: ty |
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| 21:01.33 | imp | greycat: I was planning to achieve some paralellism if I reach the server maximum bandwidth capacity. |
| 21:01.57 | greycat | Fucking greedy assholes. |
| 21:02.17 | imp | greycat: not greedy also to split the load in a single server. |
| 21:02.33 | imp | greycat: or avoid server downtimes. |
| 21:02.41 | greycat | !deb.debian.org |
| 21:02.42 | dpkg | deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See http://deb.debian.org/ for more details. |
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| 21:07.08 | JPT | Is this the future? Delivering debian packages through CDN instead of individual mirrors? |
| 21:07.36 | greycat | No, it's 1-2 years ago. |
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| 21:09.09 | user090909 | Hello. I found site about Debian Screenshoots, where I can upload it, but don't remember and can't find now, can You help me? |
| 21:09.46 | user090909 | I mean screenshoots programs, like in Synaptic. |
| 21:09.53 | greycat | I use scrot. |
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| 21:10.37 | somiaj | user090909: yea scrot is nice, though lots of programs can get a screen shot, xwd will give you a screen dump, though you may want something like imagemagick to convert it. |
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| 21:11.24 | JPT | I use shutter from time to time. |
| 21:11.52 | user090909 | no, no... I saw website about help Debian and make screenshoot of programs to kind of upload it to Synaptic or something |
| 21:12.07 | greycat | "upload to synaptic" makes no sense. |
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| 21:12.16 | user090909 | bt thanks, and will try scrot <- |
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| 21:12.30 | user090909 | ...sry for my English |
| 21:13.57 | imp | does exist zram or some alternative for debian? |
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| 21:14.25 | imp | the documentation I have found https://wiki.debian.org/ZRam still points to init.d instead systemd is that ok? |
| 21:14.55 | greycat | I would take that as a sign that the page is a few years old, and you should proceed with caution. |
| 21:15.28 | imp | greycat: thanks. last update was 2017, seems after stretch release |
| 21:16.06 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/ZRam?action=diff&rev2=14&rev1=12 |
| 21:16.10 | greycat | those are the 2017 changes |
| 21:16.39 | imp | greycat: yeah, wrong words. |
| 21:16.57 | greycat | I have utterly no idea what this thing is or why it is talking about Ubuntu packages. |
| 21:16.57 | somiaj | user090909: packages.debian.org/packagename, seems each package has a place to put a screen shot of the program. |
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| 21:17.23 | somiaj | unsure the best way to access that database, except search for the package and see if it has a screenshot or not. |
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| 21:21.33 | user090909 | somiaj: https://screenshots.debian.net/ I mean this site I looking for, but this screenshoot will not be on Synaptic if I upload ?! |
| 21:21.49 | somiaj | what do you mean by on Synapitc? |
| 21:22.29 | somiaj | does synaptic actually show the screen shots from that database (unsure I don't use it), which is also the screenshots shown on packages.debian.org? |
| 21:22.56 | greycat | It's the GUI-noob vs. tty-veteran divide again. |
| 21:23.11 | greycat | None of the veterans use these tools, so we can't help with them. |
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| 21:24.36 | somiaj | yea, maybe synaptic is atcually quite nice these days, but living through its development, it use to be quite buggy and not fully compadable with apt. |
| 21:24.43 | somiaj | as such I just don't touch it |
| 21:24.59 | annadane | i find CLI is just easier |
| 21:25.08 | annadane | also that's what i'm used to, so... |
| 21:25.44 | JPT | I just remembered what synaptic is. Back then, it was helpful to me, because i could explore existing packages a bit. It did not show screenshots back then. I just read the description and used the search feature. |
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| 21:27.43 | user090909 | I see |
| 21:27.50 | greycat | googling "does synaptic show screen shots" gives me https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/908774 "synaptic does not fetch screenshots" |
| 21:28.07 | greycat | so apparently someone thought it was supposed to ...? |
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| 21:28.30 | annadane | "does google algorithmically generate search queries" |
| 21:28.56 | JPT | Also, how is synaptic supposed to show screenshots if a lot of the packages won't have something that can be shown in a screenshot? |
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| 21:29.23 | annadane | well, right |
| 21:29.24 | greycat | I would imagine you simply don't get one for the packages that don't have one. |
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| 21:31.55 | user090909 | but something like that is helpfull to me -> http://www.pc-freak.net/images/mp3blaster-console-music-mp3-player-Debian-linux-wheezy-gnome-terminal-screenshot.png |
| 21:32.02 | somiaj | JPT: my guess is it would eb like packages.debian.org does, if there is one show it, if not, dno't |
| 21:32.53 | JPT | I guess that would work. |
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| 21:41.49 | user090909 | thank You and bye for now... |
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| 22:12.17 | annadane | can one put python in a virtualenv? |
| 22:12.26 | annadane | for instance python 3.6, which is not in stable |
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| 22:22.08 | RoyK | annadane: I've used virtualenv, but not with a non-standard (as of debian) version of python - btw - see https://xkcd.com/1987/ ;) |
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| 22:26.36 | annadane | well, i'm sure there's specific ways to get the environment into the system safely |
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| 22:26.44 | annadane | which i should actually go research |
| 22:26.44 | fareast | ok have a new battery in today and it doesn't charge |
| 22:26.57 | fareast | it says charging but it isn't moving |
| 22:27.10 | fareast | is there a battery app I can install to monitor it without using the terminal each time. |
| 22:27.20 | fareast | something like hwmonitor for linux perhaps. |
| 22:27.47 | fareast | another thing is getting wine to run |
| 22:28.04 | fareast | i need to run wine with winetricks |
| 22:28.09 | fareast | not sure how to really do that. |
| 22:28.44 | fareast | all i know is I installed wine from synaptic and I have run wine as an option |
| 22:29.04 | fareast | I have heard of playonlinux too maybe that is a better option. |
| 22:29.29 | fareast | I think I just need .net 2.0 and msxml4 |
| 22:29.33 | fareast | then i should be straight. |
| 22:30.11 | blaztek | fareast: Iâm pretty sure that you just install wine (apt) and get the winetricks |
| 22:30.36 | fareast | is winetricks something to install a prerequisite dependancies |
| 22:30.45 | fareast | like a seperate pre install? |
| 22:30.50 | annadane | well, anyway, i'm going to get off irc for now, don't answer the question, forget i was ever here, *poof* |
| 22:31.30 | blaztek | fareast: no, winetricks is apt too |
| 22:32.38 | fareast | winetricks command not found |
| 22:32.42 | fareast | I am trying under terminal |
| 22:33.24 | blaztek | fareast: did you install it using apt? |
| 22:33.56 | fareast | like get-apt |
| 22:34.05 | fareast | how do you not break linux |
| 22:34.09 | fareast | never su right? |
| 22:34.36 | fareast | I was just going to su then apt-get winetricks |
| 22:34.47 | fareast | then apt-get update |
| 22:35.04 | blaztek | sudo apt install winetricks |
| 22:35.15 | blaztek | apt-get works too |
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| 22:35.52 | fareast | says package has no installation candidate |
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| 22:36.15 | fareast | maybe I need to enable all sources |
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| 22:36.23 | blaztek | You need contrib in your sources.list |
| 22:36.29 | fareast | I think i did that already tho with my wifi adapter |
| 22:36.42 | fareast | had some issues getting the intel repo |
| 22:37.02 | fareast | I have tweaked this system a bit |
| 22:37.11 | fareast | new drive new ram new wifi adapter new battery |
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| 22:37.15 | cef | dpkg winetricks |
| 22:37.15 | dpkg | i don't know, cef |
| 22:37.28 | cef | dpkg much good you are! :P |
| 22:37.28 | dpkg | cef: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 22:38.09 | cef | yeah winetricks is in contrib on stretch |
| 22:38.44 | fareast | I am confused what is contrib |
| 22:38.46 | blaztek | fareast: WiFi adapter would be non-free |
| 22:38.49 | fareast | right |
| 22:38.53 | fareast | I am on nonfree for them |
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| 22:39.24 | blaztek | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free |
| 22:39.34 | fareast | ok so add that then |
| 22:39.44 | CMLSC | I got debian to boot, but after I select debian in grub, it shows some stuff that it's doing and then the display turns off and nothing happens. Can anyone help me? |
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| 22:40.11 | cef | CMLSC: laptop? |
| 22:40.28 | CMLSC | cef yes |
| 22:40.33 | blaztek | fareast: yes...just add the contrib and it will look like that |
| 22:40.39 | CMLSC | cef a really bad one someone gave to me for free |
| 22:40.40 | CMLSC | https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Inspiron-14-3452-Celeron-1-6GHz/dp/B06XDVH8H1?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-ffab-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B06XDVH8H1 |
| 22:40.42 | cef | CMLSC: have you had debian working on it before? |
| 22:40.45 | CMLSC | 1 star on amazon lol |
| 22:40.57 | CMLSC | cef only ubuntu, but that broke after some software updates and I couldn't get it working again |
| 22:41.06 | CMLSC | some people said debian would be more likely to work |
| 22:41.20 | fareast | my child is watching youtube kids videos I prolly shouldn't be thinking about this right now. I am getting distracted. |
| 22:41.25 | CMLSC | so I tried that and it didn't even show up in my booting options for a while, but I just got it to boot. |
| 22:41.31 | fareast | I will tackle it later. |
| 22:41.42 | cef | CMLSC: ok.. this is probably something to do with either the backlight, or the video driver. Have you tried it with a monitor attached? |
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| 22:42.41 | CMLSC | cef I'ma try it. |
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| 22:44.01 | CMLSC | cef montitor attached doesn |
| 22:44.07 | CMLSC | *doesn't do anything |
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| 22:44.51 | CMLSC | cef uh |
| 22:44.57 | cef | CMLSC: so you tried booting from scratch with the monitor attached? ok.. then it seems like drivers which isn't fun. |
| 22:45.10 | cyrus_mc | https://gist.github.com/cyrus-mc/0aec45624c07422acb336f642e2a9fb3 - why can't I install curl in a debian container |
| 22:45.12 | cef | CMLSC: I can't help you any more with this, mainly cos I have to go (work calls) |
| 22:45.28 | CMLSC | cef it just did something lol |
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| 22:46.14 | CMLSC | if anyone else could help me, that'd be great |
| 22:46.27 | CMLSC | Boot is stuck on "Started WPA supplicant." |
| 22:46.51 | CMLSC | it already gave me some errors about missing bluetooth firmware |
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| 22:48.58 | CMLSC | it worked lol |
| 22:49.05 | CMLSC | idek why, but it just started |
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| 23:17.19 | epergny | I'm trying to upgrade a laptop from latest stable (9.4.0) to unstable but "apt-get -t unstable upgrade" gives this: |
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| 23:17.34 | epergny | The value 'unstable' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 23:18.05 | epergny | and google doesn't really help. I google for that and I says I must "apt-get update" before, which I did. |
| 23:18.38 | epergny | so I guess my question is: what am I supposed to do to upgrade from stable to unstable? Do I need to edit the sources.list? |
| 23:20.26 | RoyK | epergny: probably - also keep in mind that this channel is for stable |
| 23:20.29 | RoyK | !unstable |
| 23:20.29 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable . See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
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| 23:24.06 | epergny | RoyK: oh I didn't know that. Well, but I'm still in stable : ) |
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| 23:25.41 | RoyK | epergny: just don't use unstable - it breaks things - use testing if you need something slightly newer |
| 23:26.00 | RoyK | !sid |
| 23:26.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 23:26.06 | RoyK | !testing |
| 23:26.06 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 23:26.33 | epergny | RoyK: I'm using stable on my main dekstop and dedicated server. I need to try something on unstable on a laptop: nothing important. |
| 23:26.39 | RoyK | epergny: or just fetch the packages you need for backports |
| 23:27.21 | epergny | old doc I find says to modify occurences of "stable" to "unstable" in sources.list but I don't have any occurences of "stable" |
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| 23:27.48 | RoyK | epergny: pastebin the file |
| 23:28.14 | bites | stretch and stable are synonymous at the moment. |
| 23:28.57 | epergny | https://pastebin.com/aLzLU7ig |
| 23:29.14 | epergny | bites: so I change "stretch" to "unstable" or to sid? (trying with unstable) |
| 23:29.14 | RoyK | somehow⦠if you have "stable" in there and a new release comes, it starts fetching packages from the new one |
| 23:29.24 | RoyK | sid is fine |
| 23:29.25 | epergny | RoyK: ok gotcha |
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| 23:29.52 | RoyK | sid won't change name - it's the kid that breaks toys |
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| 23:31.01 | epergny | lol |
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| 23:31.36 | RoyK | epergny: why do you want to run this on Sid? |
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| 23:33.20 | epergny | RoyK: I'm trying to rip my audio CDs to create accurate backups of them. I'm using "whipper" for that (it automatically verifies correctness in an online DB) but got bugs: suggest quite edgy versions of a few libs. |
| 23:33.46 | RoyK | try from backports first |
| 23:33.49 | epergny | RoyK: instead of trying to fix all dependencies by myself / backport, I figured out I may give sid a try and see if things work or not. I'll be quickly fixed. |
| 23:34.12 | epergny | RoyK: I don't really know how backports works and... |
| 23:34.40 | epergny | I already launched the "apt-get dist-upgrade" after replacing stretch with sid. I'll re-install stretch if it fails badly.] |
| 23:34.53 | RoyK | epergny: https://wiki.debian.org/Ripping#ripping_audio_CDs |
| 23:35.02 | RoyK | do you need this whipper? |
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| 23:36.48 | RoyK | I haven't ripped anything for years, but I used to use cdpparanoia |
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| 23:36.53 | RoyK | I haven't ripped anything for years, but I used to use cdparanoia |
| 23:37.23 | epergny | RoyK: yup yup, it's not just for listening. It's to create perfect backups. Whipper is pretty advanced stuff, contacting an online DB where people who made 100% bit-perfect rips, computing their drive's offsets etc., do verify they have the correct checksums for everything. |
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| 23:37.36 | epergny | RoyK: it is using cdparanoia under the hood but there's much more to it |
| 23:37.47 | RoyK | ok |
| 23:38.05 | RoyK | try to fetch it from backports, then |
| 23:38.08 | epergny | RoyK: and as some of my CDs are getting old and are not that easy to find, I'd rather make backups before they fail on me |
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| 23:38.16 | RoyK | jumping to Sid at once seems overkill |
| 23:38.20 | RoyK | and suicidal |
| 23:39.00 | epergny | RoyK: told you... There's literally nothing on this laptop. So no biggie: and because whipper verifies if rip is 100% bit perfect or not with an online DB, it either works or doesn't. So I'll be fixed quite soon ^ ^ |
| 23:39.14 | epergny | one thing is sure... |
| 23:39.26 | bites | there is no whipper package. |
| 23:39.26 | RoyK | well, doesn't hurt to try backports first |
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| 23:39.34 | RoyK | ,v whipper |
| 23:39.35 | judd | Package: whipper on amd64 -- buster-multimedia: 0.7.0-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 0.7.0-dmo1 |
| 23:39.42 | epergny | bites: no, I'm compiling it from sources. But it needs several dependencies. |
| 23:40.11 | bites | i understand. that was regarding the backport comments. |
| 23:40.16 | epergny | gotcha gotcha |
| 23:40.27 | RoyK | well, try sid :) |
| 23:40.27 | epergny | bites: I mean: I could backports all the dependencies it needs. |
| 23:40.57 | bites | yeah, but switching to sid is less work if you don't care for the system anyway :D |
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| 23:46.10 | epergny | I just did a "sed -e 's/stretch/sid/g' ..." and then "apt-get dist upgrade". Now I'll be in off-topic land with sid once the command is done. Thankfully I'm running stable on my dekstop since, well... Debian 1.3 ? : ) |
| 23:46.16 | epergny | 1.2 I meant |
| 23:46.57 | epergny | (and, no, I didn't apt-get dist upgrade from 1.2 to 9.4 over 20 years+) |
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