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| 00:21.40 | Paul-- | hello |
| 00:22.00 | Paul-- | exim save sended mails ? |
| 00:22.27 | somiaj | not by default. How are you sending these emails you want exim to save? |
| 00:23.26 | somiaj | https://serverfault.com/questions/825720/exim-keep-a-copy-of-sent-email |
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| 00:34.28 | Paul-- | somiaj, ok, but where put the script in your link ? |
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| 00:37.44 | somiaj | you can probably put the script you pipe it to anywhere you want. |
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| 00:41.21 | Paul-- | that is a exim script, not a bash script |
| 00:42.05 | somiaj | I think it can be any script you have set up to accept input from stdin (since it is a pipe). I'm not sure on the detials |
| 00:42.26 | somiaj | I just found that link via google. |
| 00:43.13 | Paul-- | ok, so aren't you a exim expert |
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| 00:43.58 | somiaj | You may find that a channel or mailing list for exim support maybe able to provide you more detailed info than one that covers just debian. |
| 00:44.18 | somiaj | I only know the basics of exim, but it appears you can get what you want by using that and testing it out |
| 00:45.46 | Paul-- | ok |
| 00:45.48 | Paul-- | thx |
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| 01:29.31 | simonpatapon | hi |
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| 01:30.09 | simonpatapon | https://pastebin.com/ZCtdPFPe |
| 01:30.38 | simonpatapon | thank you |
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| 02:00.46 | OtakuSenpai | guys name a gui archive manager |
| 02:00.50 | OtakuSenpai | pls |
| 02:01.14 | Epakai | OtakuSenpai: file-roller |
| 02:01.20 | OtakuSenpai | thnx |
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| 02:05.34 | foul_owl | I know auxillary programs are supposed to be installed in /opt. Should I prefer to run them as root or a dummy user? (for example, in this case, a game server, zandronum) is the preference to chown dummyuser: /opt/zandronum ? Just trying to get perms correct. Thanks! |
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| 02:06.13 | strk | any way to get /dev/stdout during `dpkg-buildpackage` ? |
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| 02:19.31 | strk | I do have it on one system but not on another |
| 02:19.41 | strk | dpkg-buildpackage -b -us -uc # more specifically |
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| 15:56.33 | dgandhi | Greetings, I'm wondering if their is a tool in main repos for checking LUKS passwords for open devices, man -k only gave me cryptsetup, which does not seem to have such an option -- I need to make sure the PW I have works before I unmount the device |
| 15:57.11 | frostschutz | dgandhi, cryptsetup open --test-passphrase |
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| 16:00.00 | dgandhi | frostschutz: thanks, they really buried the options on that man page |
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| 16:02.32 | frostschutz | dgandhi, if it doesn't work but the system is still running, you can get the master key with dmsetup table --showkeys |
| 16:02.49 | allan_wind1 | I have a supermicro server that just showed an alert on the front panel. How do I figure out the cause? dmesg, syslog is empty (of faults) |
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| 16:03.54 | petn-randall | allan_wind1: What kind of alert? I imagine that being independent of the OS. |
| 16:04.24 | allan_wind1 | beep tone, and the red alert light was on for maybe like 5 minutes |
| 16:05.06 | petn-randall | allan_wind1: I'd check the handbook what that means, that alert might not be directly accessible from the OS. |
| 16:07.04 | dgandhi | frostschutz: out of curiosity ( hope I don't need it ) I just copy the master key hex to a file and use the --master-key-file option on luksAddKey ? |
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| 16:08.57 | apteryx | Hello! Do we have npm packaged for Debian 9? |
| 16:09.16 | frostschutz | dgandhi, might need a hex -> binary step, but yea |
| 16:09.52 | apteryx | I need the web3 nodejs packages which doesn't seem natively available in Debian, hence I need npm to install it. |
| 16:10.04 | k1412 | Hello everyone, can someone make pam-auth-update work when we use it only in command line? |
| 16:10.54 | petn-randall | apteryx: npm got removed in the stretch release cycle for code quality reasons. |
| 16:11.03 | petn-randall | !why is npm not in testing? |
| 16:11.03 | dpkg | npm is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=npm |
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| 16:13.01 | apteryx | I see. I've also read here there are security considerations when using node-* packages in current Debian 9: http://linuxbsdos.com/2017/06/26/how-to-install-node-js-lts-on-debian-9-stretch/ |
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| 16:13.21 | apteryx | For now it seems the recommended way to use nodejs on Debian 9 is to use the project's PPA. |
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| 16:15.08 | petn-randall | I think a security-conscious admin wouldn't deploy nodejs in the first place. :) |
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| 16:16.42 | apteryx | petn-randall: I'm not familiar with nodejs... But it's a required component for one of the service we need to host so unless it gets rewritten in something else there's no working around that. |
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| 16:29.46 | tw | petn-randall: a security conscious admin wouldn't deploy anything through rust's cargo or python's pip either, but there's way too much momentum and demand for those kinds of tools. |
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| 16:31.02 | petn-randall | tw: I'd still differ there, though. nodejs is made by a bunch of frontend devs that never had to care, nor have a knowledge about backend security considerations. |
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| 16:42.00 | edi | i'm using screen on one box , and "suddenly" when I log in to another box, the bash color's aren't displayed anymore |
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| 16:42.18 | edi | when I log in to such box outside screen, those colors are displayed |
| 16:42.31 | edi | so I reckon it's something w screen |
| 16:42.39 | edi | but can't figure what exactly |
| 16:42.43 | dashs | What is the analogous script or exit point to rc.local during restart/shutdown? |
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| 16:45.57 | edi | solved |
| 16:45.58 | edi | :-) |
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| 17:07.10 | tim__ | hello all. I'm using Virtualbox 5.2 with windows 7 x64 guest, sound is a mess I also tried virtualbox 5.1 same I tried both pulseaudio and alsa, "intel hd audio" and "ich97" drivers and also tried to install realtek ich97 driver on the windows guest |
| 17:07.22 | tim__ | The audio is delayed and repeat some parts each 30s or something like that |
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| 17:07.30 | tim__ | If I use the ich97 is distorted |
| 17:07.43 | tim__ | I don't know what to do really, I depends a lot on virtualbox |
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| 17:08.31 | tim__ | I came from kali when it was working fine for other bugs due to the use of debian testing repository and I finally came happy to Debian Stretch hoping to don't have any more problems, and here I go again. I'm also unable to find any solution on the internet |
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| 17:08.36 | tim__ | Can someone help me? |
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| 17:18.18 | tim__ | it seems it's a DEBIAN PROBLEM not virtualbox |
| 17:19.10 | tim__ | I found a little workaround here https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/356613/delayed-audio-driver-in-debian-8-for-several-minutes it makes things a little better but sure not good enough |
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| 17:19.55 | tim__ | I don't understand why Debian don't care about this and I can't find information about a bug or anything, if I look up I also find related audio problems on qemu and kvm so I think it's not a matter of virtualbox or not virtualbox |
| 17:20.21 | tim__ | By the way, lenovo t520 debian 9 stretch good luck if a good soul will try to take care of this problem |
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| 17:21.41 | NIcolas | Hi ;) |
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| 17:22.13 | rant | I'm willing to bet that issue was using flash in windows |
| 17:22.24 | rant | flash/silverlight something of the sort |
| 17:23.45 | rhizome | i think "sound in a VM" is probably pretty low on the list of priorities. heck, "sound on linux" itself is. |
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| 17:25.11 | rant | yeah well I'm willing to bet it was a vm inside a vm inside a vm |
| 17:25.28 | NIcolas | Even after formatting I'm still sound that comes out of my headset http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=6e872585dc3a887d05402903f9147bca5dead77e |
| 17:26.08 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 17:26.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 17:26.14 | petn-randall | NIcolas: ^^^ |
| 17:26.23 | rant | sorry to hear that.. I wouldn't want to be sound that comes out of your headset |
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| 17:27.00 | rhizome | no need to cap on ESLs |
| 17:27.10 | NIcolas | Sorry if I have trouble with my english, it's not my native language :# |
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| 17:27.23 | salt_irl | I changed my hostname in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname and now chrome isn't resolving... missed something ? |
| 17:27.39 | petn-randall | NIcolas: No problem, for most people here English is not their first language. Regarding your problem, it would help if you describe which problem you have in detail. |
| 17:27.53 | Achylles | how do I get internet connection on runlevel 3? |
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| 17:28.15 | rant | Achylles: same way you do on any other runlevel |
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| 17:28.22 | Achylles | sytemctl restart network-manager does not work |
| 17:28.54 | rhizome | RL3 has networking by default. it's probably your config. |
| 17:28.57 | Achylles | sytemctl restart networking does not work either |
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| 17:29.21 | NIcolas | I went from Manjaro to Debian, because I wanted some more stable. When I arrived on debian I have no sound coming out of my headset, I yet look on the debian wiki to find a solution my still nothing |
| 17:29.21 | rhizome | what do logs say? |
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| 17:30.21 | petn-randall | NIcolas: Is the link you sent us a paste from your system? |
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| 17:30.55 | heap_ | hi, is there any commander as MC with logging ability? |
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| 17:31.21 | Achylles | rhizome, what logs? |
| 17:31.27 | Achylles | dmesg? |
| 17:32.06 | NIcolas | petn-randall No it's the alsactl command to show you my problems with his |
| 17:32.31 | petn-randall | NIcolas: Yes, but it's from the system you have problems, right? |
| 17:33.00 | NIcolas | Yes |
| 17:33.16 | heap_ | guys any idea? |
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| 17:34.36 | petn-randall | NIcolas: Since you're running pulseaudio, you should have a look at the settings of that with pavucontrol. |
| 17:35.13 | NIcolas | I will test I'll be back in 2 minutes :) Ty |
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| 17:37.02 | lokus | hi- i asked this from another client earlier i don't have access to (sorry). after installing a 2nd kernel (via apt-get) i'd like to toggle back to the original one (debian 8.9). i've been finding any changes to my /boot/grub/grub.cfg or /etc/default/grub etc have had no effect. but i also noticed when i rebooted it last, the grub menu labels don't actually follow the 'menuentry' in my grub.cfg. |
| 17:37.02 | lokus | and there are less entries too. but it's still booting my latest installed kernel. how? |
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| 17:39.14 | NIcolas | petn-randall There's a soundbar that works my still no sound |
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| 17:40.14 | jhutchins | heap_: What is it you want to log? |
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| 17:41.15 | heap_ | jhutchins: all the operations i did, like f5, f6, f7, f8 etc |
| 17:42.08 | jhutchins | heap_: Why? What's your goal? |
| 17:42.32 | heap_ | if i do typo to be able to find out what happened |
| 17:42.43 | heap_ | i did something and my folder got lost |
| 17:42.46 | heap_ | so i dont know what i did |
| 17:42.47 | heap_ | :) |
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| 17:44.25 | jhutchins | heap_: Well, if you use the command line, all of your commands get logged to your bash history. |
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| 17:44.30 | heap_ | i know |
| 17:44.34 | heap_ | but lot of cleaning etc |
| 17:44.38 | heap_ | so i need something as mc |
| 17:44.41 | rhizome | heap_: did you run update-grub? |
| 17:44.42 | jhutchins | heap_: Nothing's going to log modifier keys like f5. |
| 17:44.52 | rhizome | whoops, i mean lokus |
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| 17:46.35 | jelly | how do I coerce mdadm on stretch NOT to bring up md devices automatically? I have some ARRAY lines in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf that I want to be assembled at start. I have some others that should NOT be touched at all. |
| 17:47.20 | heap_ | jhutchins: but how |
| 17:47.21 | heap_ | in mc? |
| 17:47.38 | n4dir | i am with jhutchins that the shell is a good way. |
| 17:47.44 | jelly | however, since jessie->stretch, something starts them as md126, md127 |
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| 17:49.33 | rant | lokus: default behavior for some time has been to put all but default kernel in a seperate sub menu |
| 17:49.55 | lokus | rant: i think i *just* stumbled on that.. rebooting now into 'GRUB_DEFAULT=1>2' |
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| 17:50.26 | gladioacuto | hello |
| 17:50.27 | rant | I noticed this when I installed the rt kernel |
| 17:50.50 | lokus | blech still didn't boot the right kernel.. maybe i went wrong somewhere. but i'm sure it's to do with the submenu stuff |
| 17:51.20 | rant | shrugs |
| 17:51.49 | rant | I'm on a pi that uses uboot, and was never that savvy with grub anyhow.. lilo was more my speed |
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| 17:51.58 | gladioacuto | hibernation freezes in stretch on my new lenovo thinkpad x1 carbon, what's going on? how to fix? never happened in jessie on dell xps13, I thought it could be a nightmare of the past... |
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| 17:52.35 | rant | gladioacuto: do you have enough swap to fit the ram contents? |
| 17:52.54 | lokus | i don't really care to be that savvy. what i'm doing usually has always just worked- but i use centos more often and i dont htink it has submenu by default |
| 17:53.09 | gladioacuto | rant, 16 GB more than sufficient |
| 17:53.27 | gladioacuto | on dell I had only 8 GB |
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| 17:53.42 | rant | gladioacuto: idk, was my best guess.. the swap has to be as large as the ram for it to work |
| 17:53.56 | gladioacuto | rant, it is |
| 17:54.03 | petn-randall | gladioacuto: Have you checked the log files yet? |
| 17:54.27 | gladioacuto | petn-randall, not yet |
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| 17:57.58 | lokus | rant: yes it was submenus, quotes are important when using that syntax apparently :) works. thanks. |
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| 18:00.04 | rant | lokus: no problem.. figured pointing that out may have helped |
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| 18:00.22 | n4dir | lokus: rant i didn't understand what the solution was. |
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| 18:02.00 | tw | gladioacuto: does it actually freeze or does it just take a really long time to restore? The more RAM your system has, the longer it takes for both freeze and restore. Even if you're not using significant amounts of it, it still stores some minimum percentage, which I believe is 30%. |
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| 18:04.39 | n4dir | ah, seems to be that: GRUB_DEFAULT="2>0" |
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| 18:05.18 | lokus | n4dir: my original 'old' kernel and others were put in a submenu, and when you do the GRUB_DEFAULT variable, you don't just go in order 0,1,2 etc. you use the > to demark submenus |
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| 18:05.41 | lokus | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Submenus |
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| 18:06.15 | gunchyo | Hi, wondering how to upgrade to this kernel version specifically |
| 18:06.16 | gunchyo | https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/linux-image-4.12.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 18:06.21 | n4dir | yeah, got it now, lokus thanks |
| 18:06.28 | heap_ | its strange that tool as mc doesnt come with logging |
| 18:06.30 | gunchyo | I believe I'm getting this bug: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196683 | soft locks with Ryzen hardware |
| 18:06.38 | gunchyo | and it seems using 4.12 and some kernel options helps? |
| 18:07.22 | jelly | dpkg, grub submenu is <reply>when you do the GRUB_DEFAULT variable, you don't just go in order 0,1,2 etc. you use the > to demark submenus: GRUB_DEFAULT="2>0" (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Submenus) |
| 18:07.22 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
| 18:07.26 | jelly | lokus: thanks! |
| 18:08.10 | lokus | :) |
| 18:08.19 | jelly | ,v linux-image-4.12.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 --arch amd64 |
| 18:08.20 | judd | Package: linux-image-4.12.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 4.12.13-1~bpo9+1 |
| 18:08.47 | jelly | gunchyo: do you have debian 9 installed? If so, |
| 18:09.20 | jelly | dpkg, tell gunchyo about stretch-backports |
| 18:09.46 | jelly | ,v linux-image-amd64 --arch amd64 |
| 18:09.48 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.9+80+deb9u2~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 4.13+86~bpo9+1; buster: 4.13+86; sid: 4.13+86 |
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| 18:11.03 | jelly | gunchyo: might also want to try the newer 4.13 one if you haven't already. If you have, just install linux-image-4.12.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 explicitely (once you enabled stretch-backports repo) |
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| 18:14.18 | gunchyo | got it, thx |
| 18:14.29 | gunchyo | I will try the newest first but wanted to get info on getting the older one as well |
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| 18:14.44 | gunchyo | just because the kernel bug info states people have no issues with 4.12 |
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| 18:18.26 | gunchyo | I am just curious, do I need to compile my own kernel image to include options for rcu_nocbs and/or CONFIG_RCU_NO_CB_CPU_xxx, or would these options be available in the 4.13 backport? |
| 18:18.40 | gunchyo | just because I believe CONFIG_RCU_NOCB_CPU_ALL was removed |
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| 18:20.03 | vutral | is buster the next release after stretch? |
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| 18:20.26 | gunchyo | yes |
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| 18:33.58 | ChmEarl | gunchyo, the 4.12 bpo is backed up here: http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-4.12.0-0.bpo.2-amd64_4.12.13-1~bpo9+1_amd64.deb |
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| 18:34.21 | ChmEarl | cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org |
| 18:34.30 | raffitheb | ciao |
| 18:34.36 | raffitheb | !list |
| 18:34.36 | dpkg | raffitheb: Ã possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-9.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 18:34.40 | gunchyo | ty ChmEarl |
| 18:34.46 | gunchyo | I'm gonna try 4.13 first |
| 18:35.07 | gunchyo | If anyone with a Ryzen proc wants to chime in if you're also having this issue please feel free, haven't chatted to anyone yet about this |
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| 18:36.53 | ChmEarl | gunchyo, cdn-fastly will gobble all your RAM when you browse |
| 18:37.01 | gunchyo | why |
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| 18:38.50 | kommunicate | if there's anyone here using github on debian, would you mind pasting your permissions for ~/.ssh? |
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| 18:39.01 | kommunicate | for the life of me I can't get it to stop prompting for the key passcode |
| 18:39.02 | zophyx | hi |
| 18:39.22 | kommunicate | i'm 99% sure my permissions are right but I can't seem to get it to work |
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| 18:39.30 | lokus | gunchyo: jw- that bug seems to have a pretty recognizable backtrace- how come you just think you're hitting it? presumably what you've found should fix it |
| 18:39.54 | gunchyo | lokus, right, I only just found it, I'm running ryzen-test to see if my CPU needs to be RMAed first |
| 18:40.01 | gunchyo | since my system is offline now, as in, services down |
| 18:40.22 | lokus | ic |
| 18:40.24 | gunchyo | but, my main question is, since throughout the thread the mention of a specific setting needing to be on was removed from, I think post 4.12, if the 4.13 backport has the option |
| 18:40.37 | gunchyo | "I am just curious, do I need to compile my own kernel image to include options for rcu_nocbs and/or CONFIG_RCU_NO_CB_CPU_xxx, or would these options be available in the 4.13 backport?" |
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| 18:40.54 | gunchyo | Not the most familiar with kernel settings and such, and the thread isn't the clearest |
| 18:42.11 | lokus | i'm not digging too deep (busy).. but skimming it, it sounds like you might need to build your own 4.12/4.13 frankenstein custom kernel, and twiddle with those CONFIG's. skimming it sounds like those configurables were added/removed or something between releases |
| 18:42.32 | lokus | custom as in, potentially backport a patch or something. again guessing, haven't read much. back to work.. |
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| 18:43.23 | gunchyo | np thx |
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| 18:44.42 | root | heheh |
| 18:44.55 | root | i am root on all your bases |
| 18:45.11 | gunchyo | lol |
| 18:45.14 | Guest41912 | wuh? |
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| 18:46.51 | tw | "make expert-level adjustments to RCU configuration". I wouldn't expect that to be on by default. |
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| 18:48.25 | gunchyo | tw, seems in 4.13 you can set a kernel boot option and it should be the same as setting both non and _ALL settings |
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| 18:48.33 | gunchyo | "So, in order to have the behaviour of CONFIG_RCU_NOCB_CPU_ALL=y in 4.13 kernel, you need to supply boot parameter rcu_nocbs=0-XX, where XX is your number of cpus-1" |
| 18:48.45 | gunchyo | but this is in reference to fedora's 4.13, not debian |
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| 18:54.58 | jhutchins | gunchyo: Kernel parameters will work the same way, internal options may be different. |
| 18:55.27 | gunchyo | ok, so even though https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196683#c53 |
| 18:55.45 | gunchyo | this comment details in relation to Fedora, the kernel parameters to set CONFIG_RCU_NOCB_CPU=y and (rcu_nocbs=0-XX) |
| 18:55.49 | jhutchins | gunchyo: You can see what options Debian's kernel was compiled with in /boot/config<version> |
| 18:55.51 | gunchyo | will still be present/"available" |
| 18:55.56 | gunchyo | ok |
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| 18:56.12 | jhutchins | gunchyo: Debian may have different patches as well, but the options should work the same way. |
| 18:56.14 | gunchyo | I don't wnat to compile a custom kernel as that will present compatibility issues |
| 18:56.15 | gunchyo | ok |
| 18:56.17 | gunchyo | ty :) |
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| 19:21.14 | Paul-- | hello |
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| 19:22.17 | Paul-- | how may I make a list of all installed packets , to clone installation on another machine ? |
| 19:22.27 | Paul-- | or to keep for the next installation ? |
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| 19:22.48 | Paul-- | I mean without manually install every packet |
| 19:23.08 | Tybor | Paul--: dpkg --get-selections |
| 19:23.28 | Tybor | Paul--: dpkg --get-selections >my-list; |
| 19:23.41 | Tybor | Paul--: then dpkg --set-selections <my-ist |
| 19:24.21 | Paul-- | with a simple pipe is possible resume the packet list , I mean a simple pipe without filters ? |
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| 19:33.24 | buu | Here's a fun question, I have a running debian box, I can ssh into it, etc, it has a built in video output, I plug a monitor into it, blank, no signal |
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| 19:33.29 | buu | if I reboot it, I'll get a monitor signal |
| 19:33.56 | Nicolas | Hi, here I did a lot of tests again nothing works to get some sound :( |
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| 19:37.53 | ivan | buu: displayport? |
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| 19:38.51 | buu | ivan: dvi |
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| 19:39.33 | ivan | buu: xrandr --auto used to fix that for me on nvidia |
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| 19:40.02 | buu | It's just a builtin intel graphics adapter |
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| 19:41.42 | ivan | maybe CTRL+ALT+F1, CTRL+ALT+F7 will trigger a detection? |
| 19:42.37 | r3 | Nicolas: I am sorry you are still having this issue - you've been at it for some time! :( |
| 19:43.32 | Nicolas | r3 Can the phonon vlc be involved? |
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| 19:44.01 | buu | ivan: nope =[ |
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| 19:45.54 | ivan | buu: you might have a monitor that doesn't do the right thing, whatever that is |
| 19:46.08 | ivan | or your DE isn't doing the redetecting it should be doing |
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| 19:48.08 | tw | buu: is it booting into graphical or console? |
| 19:48.57 | r3 | Nicolas: I am sorry, but I don't know anything about phonon vlc, maybe someone else here does |
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| 19:49.58 | buu | tw: console |
| 19:50.00 | buu | it has no graphics |
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| 19:50.42 | tw | Are you plugging a keyboard in at the same time? |
| 19:53.03 | tw | A weird, and rather annoying thing I've had happen before with some bioses is the keyboard not getting attached to the console. The console sleep thing is normal, usually you have to press a key to wake the console up from blanking. |
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| 19:54.33 | buu | tw: I am actually |
| 19:54.39 | buu | I get capslock but no monitor |
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| 19:57.06 | tw | maybe consoleblank=0 kernel arg? |
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| 20:01.31 | buu | I mean, this happens to me on a lot of different debian machines |
| 20:01.35 | buu | Maybe it is the monitor |
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| 20:19.33 | crucify_me | hi can I run hadoop on vagrant vm's on a not-very-powerful debian 9 machine? |
| 20:20.10 | crucify_me | for learning purposes? |
| 20:22.11 | tw | crucify_me: if it has sufficient ram and vt-x or svm, there's no reason why you couldn't. |
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| 20:23.26 | crucify_me | tw thank you, do you know if virtualbox has its own vm's, so I could forego vagrant, or what would you suggest in that matter? |
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| 20:24.00 | tw | you can install whatever you want in a VM. |
| 20:24.53 | tw | If you want to install debian in a vbox VM, you give it the install iso and proceed as normal. |
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| 20:25.35 | crucify_me | ok, tw I thought I read somewhere that virtualbox provides actual vm instances, but can't find the article. does that make sense? |
| 20:25.52 | tw | like pre-installed images? |
| 20:26.01 | tw | Maybe they do, I've never used one. |
| 20:26.21 | crucify_me | yeah.. ok. so a product like vagrant, should I just go with that? |
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| 20:27.03 | tw | vagrant is just a templating system for repeatable environments, it depends on what your application needs are and what your software vendor wants to provide. |
| 20:28.07 | crucify_me | put another way, if you wanted to run hadoop on debian 9, on one or two vm's for learning purposes, what would you do? tw |
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| 20:29.06 | crucify_me | like for tutorials and small data sets |
| 20:29.09 | tw | My experience level is way different than yours and conversely my understanding of your eventual application is far inferior to yours. |
| 20:29.31 | tw | If your tutorial site provides a vagrant VM, I'd use vagrant. |
| 20:29.59 | tw | If it doesn't, I'd install another Debian instance in a VM and use that for sandboxed testing. |
| 20:30.09 | tw | either vbox or virt-manager. |
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| 20:32.08 | crucify_me | I see, thanks a lot. I had no tutorial in mind. oh vbox is short for virtualbox right? I had a hell of a time using virt-manager alone once. I had a vagrant instance set up for a lamp stack and had it working a long time ago. |
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| 20:33.06 | crucify_me | tw ^ |
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| 20:37.41 | DelphiWorld | hi debianists |
| 20:37.48 | tw | crucify_me: Yes. The wizard for virtualbox is easier to work with than virt-manager, somewhat. If you prefer vagrant and have experience with it, keep doing that. |
| 20:37.51 | DelphiWorld | mariadb setup on debian not longer prompt to set root pass? |
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| 20:40.06 | crucify_me | tw excellent really appreciate it. |
| 20:41.28 | donald | I have two os in the same computer with multiboot. lscpu return i686 for one and x86_64 for the second. I must have installed a bad version of na os. How to get information on the real hardware instead of the os? |
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| 20:43.15 | josecapurro | donald: Can you post the output of cat /proc/cpuinfo? |
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| 20:44.08 | josecapurro | donald: and uname -a, too |
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| 20:45.04 | tw | donald: grep ' lm ' /proc/cpuinfo will tell you if amd64's long mode is available. |
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| 20:47.17 | donald | twI do not see amd64 into the return |
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| 20:47.41 | tw | donald: if you got any lines, then it is supported. |
| 20:47.51 | donald | ok cool |
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| 20:49.34 | donald | so I have definitely x86_64 processor? |
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| 20:50.01 | tw | The fact that the x86_64 system booted at all was a good indicator of that. |
| 20:51.34 | donald | then should I install a debian 64 or 32 bits? |
| 20:52.18 | tw | These days, I'd say the 64-bit version. |
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| 20:53.06 | donald | thank you |
| 20:53.10 | rant | yes when it first came out many things didnt work right on 64bit.. some things were not ported and the 32bit compat layers were primative.. but now 64bit is very mature |
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| 21:17.52 | buu | is ssh root login disabled by default? |
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| 21:18.06 | ctcx | ^ IIRC yes, it is |
| 21:18.24 | JPT | I'm not sure. I remember root login being enabled out of the box. |
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| 21:18.39 | ctcx | At least in latest Debian it is disabled |
| 21:18.47 | buu | neat |
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| 21:19.03 | JPT | Whatever it is, it is a good idea to disable root login (if it is still there) and also use ssh public key authentication instead of password authentication |
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| 21:19.24 | greycat | sshd PermitRootLogin is "No" by default in stretch, but it was "Yes" by default in earlier releases |
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| 21:19.46 | ctcx | It has been default No since Jessie |
| 21:19.52 | greycat | oh, hm |
| 21:19.58 | ctcx | Yes sir, I remember. |
| 21:20.05 | ctcx | ^ |
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| 21:20.14 | Error5013 | Hello |
| 21:20.17 | JPT | If you're curious about setting up openssh, perhaps this might be an interesting read to get some inspiration: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Guidelines/OpenSSH |
| 21:20.26 | greycat | also man sshd_config |
| 21:20.32 | Error5013 | Has anyone seen this error message before? https://imgur.com/URXYMEQ |
| 21:21.24 | rant | they say a picture is worth a thousand words but sometimes words are preferred |
| 21:21.33 | Error5013 | rant, why? |
| 21:21.39 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 21:21.41 | Error5013 | command line client? |
| 21:22.16 | greycat | And so the social divide between the people who know Unix and the people who use Desktop Environments grows, ever wider. |
| 21:22.41 | Error5013 | it said "Error: The file you have requested is infected with a virus, for $15.99 we can restore your files" and has a paypal link |
| 21:22.53 | ctcx | I was reading a comic in .rar format using comix program. After finishing it I deleted the file (deleted, not send to trashbin) and the comix folders inside .config and .local. But realized I hadn't closed comix itself! It was still open with the file |
| 21:23.02 | ctcx | Using Debian with gnome desktop |
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| 21:23.12 | rant | Error5013: ahh.. ransomware.. heh.. you got this on a debian system? |
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| 21:23.16 | ctcx | Any harm to the file or Debian itself? |
| 21:23.27 | Error5013 | The file won't open |
| 21:23.31 | preaction | rant: their picture is porn. they don't have any error at all |
| 21:23.32 | Error5013 | Debian works fine |
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| 21:23.44 | Error5013 | preaction: way to spoil the fun, bitch |
| 21:23.46 | ctcx | Mr greycat ? |
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| 21:23.49 | JPT | Error5013: You should consider double-checking your links. This one is not safe for work. |
| 21:23.50 | rant | heh |
| 21:23.54 | Error5013 | was trying to make people click it |
| 21:23.58 | preaction | Error5013: wah wah wah |
| 21:24.03 | Error5013 | JPT: it was a trick |
| 21:24.07 | Error5013 | there is no error |
| 21:24.10 | JPT | go to ##chat |
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| 21:24.26 | mtn | ctcx, no, you should be fine |
| 21:24.42 | Error5013 | JPT: i would but need register to talk. staff keep deleting my accounts on Nick serv |
| 21:25.03 | preaction | i wonder why |
| 21:25.20 | jelly-home | buu: it's only allowed via key-based auth by default on stretch |
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| 21:25.55 | greycat | in any case, you can edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and set it however you want. |
| 21:26.08 | ctcx | greycat, mtn: I heard if using command line without any graphic DE there is no harm at all, but could be if using DE, such as "ghost" disk space being used, orphaned file links or the like... |
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| 21:26.14 | ctcx | This is what worries me |
| 21:26.21 | greycat | ctcx: I use X, but I don't use a Desktop Environment. |
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| 21:26.44 | ctcx | greycat: ok, meant whether using a DE or X |
| 21:27.36 | ctcx | ???? |
| 21:27.38 | greycat | a DE uses a whole lot more memory, and generally has a lot more fancy bells and whistles, more processes running, more confusing internals, etc. |
| 21:28.00 | greycat | beyond that, I don't understand what you're asking |
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| 21:29.04 | mtn | ctcx, if you delete a file or folder with the gui, it is just as deleted as if you used the command line |
| 21:29.31 | greycat | If you delete a file that is still opened by some program, the disk space is not freed until the program exits or closes the file. |
| 21:29.33 | rant | not necessarily most GUI filemanagers use a trash directory |
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| 21:30.07 | ctcx | greycat: what if I did close the program, but only afterwards, and rebooted PC? |
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| 21:30.19 | rant | and in that regard and perhaps what this user is speaking of is things like trash, thumbnails, and other features that such programs use to cache data |
| 21:30.20 | greycat | I have never used "comix". I know nothing about it. |
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| 21:30.45 | ctcx | greycat: what I'm asking is, if after doing my stupidity if my system suffered some small invisible damage and need to re-clean install Debian... |
| 21:30.51 | greycat | No. |
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| 21:31.00 | greycat | That would be silly. |
| 21:31.05 | mtn | ctcx, no, as I said earlier. you are fine |
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| 21:31.29 | ctcx | greycat: let alone the particular program, just take it as if any other program, say, libreoffice |
| 21:31.44 | greycat | ctcx: If you delete a file that is still opened by some program, the disk space is not freed until the program exits or closes the file. |
| 21:32.34 | rant | ctcx: as long as you are not doing something as root, any damage you may cause is restricted to your homedir, maybe some /tmp files, and any /media devices you had mounted |
| 21:32.46 | greycat | but there isn't any "damage" here |
| 21:32.52 | rant | ctcx: it will not affect the system as a whole |
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| 21:33.37 | ctcx | greycat: if I just close the program, disk space is fred, no "orphaned" soft/hard links or files, and my home directory is just fine? |
| 21:33.43 | greycat | yes |
| 21:33.47 | ctcx | (perhaps also rebootinf Debian?) |
| 21:34.14 | rant | ctcx: in linux all settings and runtime stuff is typically in "dotfiles" in your homedir. if you run Gimp for example, close the tools & layers dialogs and now when you run gimp in the future you can't figure out how to get those back because it remembered they were closed, you can always just deleted the "dotfiles" i.e. ~/.gimp/ or such and the program will run like it was freshly installed |
| 21:34.15 | ctcx | <greycat> but there isn't any "damage" here |
| 21:34.17 | ctcx | Really? |
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| 21:35.30 | JohnML | XFCE configuer Printer -> HP Device manager is present and works :-) |
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| 21:36.11 | jelly | ctcx: yes really |
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| 21:36.34 | ctcx | Mr jelly!!! |
| 21:36.38 | ctcx | How good to see |
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| 21:36.52 | ctcx | So you have read my current issue as well? |
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| 21:36.59 | jelly | you're probably confusing me with a different jelly. |
| 21:37.43 | jelly | ctcx: I wouldn't comment on it if I had not read it. |
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| 21:38.07 | ctcx | jelly: thanks sir. And no, you just don't remember me (which may be for better). |
| 21:38.12 | ctcx | But you have helped me before. |
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| 21:38.58 | ctcx | jelly: since I'm still used to windows, where one cannot have duplicate hostnames nor delete currently being used files... |
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| 21:39.41 | jelly | ah. Unix is different. |
| 21:40.07 | jelly | Linux mostly behaves like a unix. And Debian is (usually) a Linux OS. |
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| 21:41.56 | ctcx | jelly: so having deleted the file was indeed a not orthodox action, yet not harmful at all for Debian, the file or my home directory? |
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| 21:42.22 | greycat | Christ, how many times do you have to hear an answer? |
| 21:43.11 | greycat | while sleep 10; do echo "it's fine"; done | ctcx |
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| 21:43.31 | rant | heh |
| 21:44.21 | ctcx | got it, thanks |
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| 22:05.04 | foul_owl | I know auxillary programs are supposed to be installed in /opt. Should I prefer to run them as root or a dummy user? (for example, in this case, a game server, zandronum) is the preference to chown dummyuser: /opt/zandronum ? Just trying to get perms correct. Thanks! |
| 22:05.32 | foul_owl | My thought it better to run any sort of server not as root |
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| 22:12.04 | NEOalquimista | Hi, people. With virtualbox out of the repository, what are you using for running virtual machines? |
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| 22:13.11 | jelly | foul_owl: run them as user, let the files be owned by root |
| 22:13.27 | tw | ,v virtualbox |
| 22:13.28 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.1.30-dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 5.2.0-dfsg-2; sid/contrib: |
| 22:13.29 | judd | 5.2.0-dfsg-4 |
| 22:13.56 | tw | NEOalquimista: Seems to still be there... |
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| 22:14.28 | NEOalquimista | I don't get it. It's not on stable. |
| 22:15.18 | NEOalquimista | I get a "package not found, but referenced by another package etc etc" |
| 22:15.25 | jelly | !contrib |
| 22:15.26 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ [stretch|buster|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
| 22:15.31 | jelly | NEOalquimista: ^^ |
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| 22:15.38 | NEOalquimista | Oh, right (: Contrib |
| 22:15.49 | NEOalquimista | Thanks, i'll try |
| 22:16.34 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 22:16.35 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 22:16.46 | jelly | will probably also be needed |
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| 22:17.02 | NEOalquimista | Okay |
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| 22:20.40 | NEOalquimista | I have contrib and non-free set, also ran apt update, but still package virtualbox has no candidate for install. Do I need backports? |
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| 22:21.29 | NEOalquimista | I'm on Stretch |
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| 22:25.17 | tw | yes, you need backports. |
| 22:25.37 | areyouloco | NEOalquimista: there is a official VirtualBox repo for stretch |
| 22:25.38 | areyouloco | add this to your sources.list: |
| 22:25.38 | areyouloco | deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/ stretch contrib |
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| 22:25.51 | NEOalquimista | the third party repo? |
| 22:25.56 | areyouloco | yup |
| 22:26.02 | jelly | NEOalquimista: did the bot say there was a version for stretch, or stretch-backports? |
| 22:26.13 | NEOalquimista | stretch-backports only |
| 22:26.23 | jelly | then you need stretch-backports |
| 22:26.32 | areyouloco | NEOalquimista: backports |
| 22:26.34 | jelly | !stretch-backports |
| 22:26.34 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 22:26.40 | NEOalquimista | all right, I'll consider the options |
| 22:27.28 | areyouloco | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=virtualbox |
| 22:27.28 | areyouloco | !dpkg virtualbox |
| 22:27.29 | dpkg | Oracle VM VirtualBox is an almost free software virtual machine solution. To install, see https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox or ask me about <vbox-install jessie>, <vbox-install wheezy>. http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox rename>, <vbox guest>, <vbox extpack>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>. |
| 22:27.47 | tw | bot might need minor updates. |
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| 22:34.43 | L1zarT | need some help with a vpn connection that blocks access to webservces running on my debian system |
| 22:35.13 | L1zarT | anyone available? |
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| 22:35.32 | buu | So I've got a kvm guest with two interfaces, both are bridged from physical interfaces on the host, eth0 is dhcp and eth1 is static ip |
| 22:35.43 | buu | I can ping the host via the dhcp eth0 but not via the static ip on eth1 |
| 22:36.40 | NEOalquimista | tw: I got virtualbox installed through backports, exactly as it was instructed to me. Thanks. |
| 22:38.20 | jhutchins | buu: Is the IP you're ping from on the same subnet & within the netmask? Otherwise you need a route. |
| 22:38.36 | buu | jhutchins: yes.. the host is statically set to 192.168.1.2 on the bridge, the guest is 1.1 |
| 22:39.08 | jhutchins | buu: I've never had to mess with bridging, on my Vbox machines it's just worked. |
| 22:39.26 | buu | I assume vbox creates the bridges for you? |
| 22:39.37 | L1zarT | I am trying to figure something out on linux but my normal go to guy is unavailable and I really want to understand / fix this |
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| 22:39.57 | L1zarT | I am using a reverse proxy, which isn´t the problem but I also use a ppp connection |
| 22:40.07 | L1zarT | when it´s up I cannot connect |
| 22:40.08 | jhutchins | buu: I assume it must do something like that, although I haven't seen a bridge created. Might be there, haven't really looked. Not running any VMs on linux right now. |
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| 22:40.20 | L1zarT | so somehow my vpn blocks the access while I can access the reverse proxy from any pc in the same network |
| 22:40.27 | buu | They pretty much have to be unless you do pure nat |
| 22:41.06 | jhutchins | L1zarT: That's sometimes called "split tunneling" or "multihome". What's happening is the VPN client is routing all traffic through the VPN, and there's no provision at the remote to let it reach the 'net. |
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| 22:41.31 | jhutchins | L1zarT: Some clients are locked down to that so as not to expose the remote network to the internet. |
| 22:42.01 | L1zarT | but what I don understand, why can I reach it from lan? |
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| 22:42.19 | L1zarT | but when I port forward it doesn |
| 22:42.21 | jhutchins | L1zarT: If you can tell us the client software, the server software, and the policy someone might know how to fix it. |
| 22:42.26 | L1zarT | doesn´t work |
| 22:42.50 | jhutchins | L1zarT: If I understand your situation, it's because you're forwarding EVERYTHING. |
| 22:43.38 | jhutchins | L1zarT: Is it the ppp connection that effectively blocks the internet? |
| 22:43.50 | L1zarT | I use the standard ppp client, Debian 8, no iptables or firewall |
| 22:44.16 | L1zarT | yes when I kill the connection the webservices are reachable |
| 22:45.01 | L1zarT | I use a few webbased services running on 1 linux system. all reachable on my pc or through vpn to my home network |
| 22:45.09 | jhutchins | L1zarT: Yup, everything's trying to go through ppp. |
| 22:45.46 | L1zarT | but when I port forward to 1 specific port I cannot rach it when the vpn is running |
| 22:46.05 | L1zarT | I read something about creating a route on the ip-up |
| 22:46.20 | L1zarT | but that didn´t work or I did it wrong |
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| 22:47.41 | L1zarT | I tried to create iptables rules to alow traffic form and to but that didn´t worked |
| 22:48.40 | L1zarT | I´ve been working with Linux for about a year now and slowly progressing but the whole iptables and stuff still is a mistery to me |
| 22:49.27 | L1zarT | jhutchins: any idea how I allow traffic to these ports? |
| 22:50.15 | L1zarT | its a reverse proxy to allow https connection to at least one website |
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| 22:50.31 | L1zarT | if that is working I an look at the rest |
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| 22:54.02 | jhutchins | L1zarT: Not without seeing your WHOLE network/ppp/security configuration. |
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| 22:55.00 | jhutchins | Proof obfuscated ports help but don't completely defend: I just got a burst of attempts on an obfuscated ssh port. Haven't had a problem for a while. |
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| 22:55.13 | jhutchins | Oh, of course, because port forwardin was broken and I just fixed it. |
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| 23:11.29 | L1zarT | so I used apt-get install pptp-linux to install my pptp client on debian 8 |
| 23:13.03 | L1zarT | I think I found the cause |
| 23:13.43 | L1zarT | at first I created a script in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/pure |
| 23:13.51 | L1zarT | at first I created a script in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ |
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| 23:14.11 | L1zarT | but that was for a different location |
| 23:14.34 | L1zarT | I forgot to create a new one |
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| 23:27.06 | somiaj | (by works, misspelled words don't get correctly underlined until I manually change the colorscheme) |
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| 23:39.19 | L1zarT | anyone who van help with a pptp config ? |
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| 23:39.51 | josepopuu | hi all, i'm facing issue with an unstable install of qt (due to previous installation during last year of several version, from repo && from package downloaded on the website) |
| 23:40.21 | L1zarT | I got an ip=up script that is giving me a headache |
| 23:40.29 | josepopuu | today it's blocking, cause a lots of my GUI (as vbox, vlc, etc.) won't start |
| 23:40.46 | josepopuu | do anyone know how to do a qt fresh install ? |
| 23:40.58 | L1zarT | nothing in the logs? |
| 23:41.13 | josepopuu | i tried to remove old version I found from repo |
| 23:42.11 | L1zarT | http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/linux-building.html |
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| 23:42.52 | L1zarT | should give you enough to start with |
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| 23:43.31 | josepopuu | i'll give a look right now, thanks |
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| 23:43.46 | L1zarT | just use wget to download the latest version |
| 23:43.52 | foul_owl | jelly: Thank you! |
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| 23:44.56 | L1zarT | wget http://download.qt.io/official_releases/online_installers/qt-unified-linux-x64-online.run |
| 23:45.39 | L1zarT | anyone here who has any knowledge how to use pptp while aloowing traffic from lan? |
| 23:46.07 | L1zarT | or to be more precise: allow traffic from port forwarded router? |
| 23:46.34 | L1zarT | I am certain the cause is the ip-up script |
| 23:46.48 | L1zarT | #!/bin/bash |
| 23:46.48 | L1zarT | route add -net 10.0.0.0/8 dev ppp0 |
| 23:46.48 | L1zarT | route add default dev ppp0 |
| 23:47.51 | L1zarT | it defaults the ppp0 but I am not able to access the webserver from my externally port forwarded domain |
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| 23:53.58 | gunchyo | Hey, how do I properly install the backport kernel |
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| 23:54.17 | gunchyo | And if possible have the stable line kernel alongside it as a backup? |
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