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00:11.27 | victorqueiroz | Where should I put my fontconfig folder? |
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00:12.04 | bazhang | victorqueiroz, in elementary? |
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00:29.04 | victorqueiroz | I added /usr/share/fontconfig/conf.avail/11-lcdfilter-default.conf to my $HOME/.config/fontconfig/conf.d folder but I can't see 'Xft.lcdfilter' when I hit "xrdb -query". WHy? |
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00:31.12 | bazhang | victorqueiroz, is that debian or elementary |
00:31.56 | victorqueiroz | Debian |
00:31.59 | victorqueiroz | No more Elementary here |
00:32.03 | victorqueiroz | Sorry about that =D |
00:32.42 | aaro | victorqueiroz, you would need to define Xft.lcdfilter in your ~/.Xresources |
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00:35.18 | victorqueiroz | What's the best config for lcdfilter? Why do I have this file? (.Xresources) |
00:36.00 | victorqueiroz | I just added configs to there. How can I reset cache? |
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00:37.25 | aaro | after you change .Xresources you do 'xrdb .Xresources' and restart your terminal |
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00:42.44 | PhotonSm | Anyone here use wemux? |
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00:43.32 | victorqueiroz | I'm back! |
00:43.44 | PhotonSm | Wb |
00:43.49 | pingouin | welcome back ! |
00:44.12 | PhotonSm | Anyone? |
00:44.34 | contrapunctus | !ask |
00:44.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
00:46.07 | PhotonSm | Wemux works fine with wemux join. When I try wemux or wemux start as normal or root I now get the following issues: permission error (tried chmod 777 for file, no change whatsoever), no server to attach to, it starts and does nothing, or it starts and then complains about nothing to attach to, and there is no entry in wemux list |
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00:52.29 | victorqueiroz | pingouin and PhotonSm: Thank you guys, you're very friendly |
00:53.13 | victorqueiroz | Btw, do you guys have any idea if still worth to use Infinality on Debian? https://github.com/bohoomil/fontconfig-ultimate |
00:54.20 | PhotonSm | not sure |
00:54.45 | cheapie | Seeing as how ifconfig is deprecated, what's the new "right way" to get a list of network interfaces? |
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00:55.59 | r_rios | Will I be able to check which packages will be upgraded before upgrading to stretch? |
00:57.07 | cheapie | Meh, looks like "ip link list" does what I want. |
00:58.27 | numbdewd | r_rios: if thru apt-get, possibly one of these: -s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry-run, --recon, --no-act |
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00:59.21 | thecoffemaker | hello everyone ... did someone have issues with wifi using debian's non-free live image? |
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01:02.26 | r_rios | numbdewd: Thanks |
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01:08.43 | crucify_me | hey you know when you hit the command key on gnome (jessie 9) and those little jigsaw pieces pop up telling you the time in uzbekistan ? I'd like to turn those off...thanks |
01:09.46 | jmcnaught | crucify_me: go to settings, click on search, clock is probably the one you want to disable |
01:11.56 | crucify_me | hey, thanks jmcnaught its other things too, like my bookmark bar in chromium. can I turn off all those secondary things that are not auto-completes for applications ? thanks again |
01:13.37 | jmcnaught | crucify_me: are you still talking about gnome-shell? |
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01:14.27 | crucify_me | yes |
01:14.43 | jmcnaught | crucify_me: look at the search settings, there's a global disable |
01:15.15 | crucify_me | excellent thanks kindly jmcnaught |
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01:39.21 | Byan | root@carrot:/# rm -r sbin |
01:39.21 | Byan | rm: cannot remove 'sbin': Device or resource busy |
01:39.27 | Byan | anyone know whats happening here? |
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01:41.12 | Byan | grrrr |
01:45.03 | ranix | Byan: someone has a shell open in that directory or one of the files inside it is being used by an active process |
01:45.21 | ranix | Byan: lsof can help find which process is using it |
01:45.28 | Byan | lsof comes back with nothing |
01:45.35 | ranix | then it'll be something active in the dir itself |
01:45.37 | Byan | but maybe cause the files are deleted it can't? |
01:45.41 | Byan | hmm |
01:45.45 | ranix | i.e. if you cd to /foo and then rm . you'll get this error |
01:45.51 | Byan | but the server was just restarted |
01:46.00 | Byan | so there cant be anything that I own doing it |
01:46.04 | ranix | perhaps the thing utilizing sbin is spawned on startup |
01:46.11 | Byan | right.. |
01:46.12 | Byan | hmm |
01:46.39 | ranix | if you want to perform hax you could insert a line into an early startup script to rmdir it |
01:46.42 | ranix | are there any contents |
01:46.47 | jmcnaught | Why are you deleting /sbin? |
01:46.52 | ranix | he didn't say /sbin |
01:46.55 | ranix | he just said "sbin" |
01:47.00 | Byan | jmcnaught: replacing it with a symlink |
01:47.03 | Byan | it is /sbin :D |
01:47.09 | contrapunctus | o\ |
01:47.23 | Byan | I am trying to install another distro on top of debian |
01:47.30 | jmcnaught | ranix: the path in his prompt |
01:47.31 | Byan | but its failing because it can't remove those directories |
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01:47.48 | ranix | jmcnaught: ah good eye |
01:47.56 | jmcnaught | Byan: this is something you should do from a live boot, not while booted into the system |
01:47.59 | Byan | jmcnaught: you think that bash is holding this? |
01:48.09 | Byan | I think you're right |
01:48.29 | Byan | ok lets try again |
01:48.35 | jmcnaught | what is the symlink to? |
01:48.46 | Byan | /usr/bin |
01:48.50 | ranix | haha |
01:48.54 | Byan | (the way arch does things) |
01:49.04 | ranix | why are you doing this nonsense |
01:49.24 | Byan | because my vps doesn't ship with arch |
01:50.07 | jmcnaught | https://wiki.debian.org/UsrMerge |
01:50.40 | ranix | also http://xyproblem.info/ |
01:50.43 | Byan | this time lets try without logging in at all.. |
01:50.54 | jmcnaught | Byan: I suspect that doing this manually, and especially trying to combine sbin and bin, will either break your system, or the package problem will break your 'solution' next time there are upgrades |
01:51.10 | jmcnaught | Byan: you're just making problems for yourself by messing with files that are managed by packages |
01:51.35 | Mordain | echo -e \nhello\n should print newlines on any bash shell script right ? |
01:52.26 | Byan | could not make way for new symlink: sbin |
01:52.27 | Mordain | oh i need quotes nm |
01:52.33 | Byan | damn |
01:52.43 | Byan | jmcnaught: I am really not doing that |
01:52.51 | Byan | pacman will manage them |
01:53.02 | Byan | the problem is that I can't setup / the way archlinux wants it |
01:53.09 | Byan | so trying to install it breaks everything |
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01:53.23 | ranix | what will happen when you tell pacman to manage packages in a system in which it has zero managed packages? |
01:53.33 | ranix | I suspect it will try to install dependencies and annihilate your system |
01:53.39 | jmcnaught | Byan: maybe you should ask the Arch channel how to install it from inside another distro. This doesn't sound like a #debian problem really |
01:53.50 | Byan | its not |
01:53.57 | Byan | thedeleting issue is though |
01:54.29 | ranix | linode has a recovery mode where you can boot your system off a temporary ramdisk and mount your drive for repair purposes |
01:54.30 | Byan | so that didnt work hmm |
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01:54.35 | ranix | your vps might have the same solution |
01:54.41 | Byan | doesnt seem to |
01:54.52 | ranix | I recommend cancelling it and getting a linode |
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01:55.00 | Byan | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Virtual_Private_Server#Installing_the_latest_Arch_Linux_on_any_OpenVZ_provider |
01:55.05 | Byan | FWIW thats what I am trying to do |
01:55.15 | Byan | I was using linode and I was sick of them |
01:55.20 | Byan | keep having random downtime |
01:55.24 | ranix | that's strange |
01:55.26 | ranix | which datacenter |
01:55.47 | ranix | you can pick a different one |
01:55.51 | Byan | hmm |
01:55.56 | Byan | well, this is already done. |
01:55.57 | ranix | I've had good luck with Fremont CA |
01:56.09 | Byan | the option I am choosing is much much cheaper |
01:56.11 | Byan | $25/year |
01:56.20 | ranix | not OVH right |
01:56.26 | Byan | no |
01:56.26 | ranix | or bluevm |
01:56.29 | Byan | INIZ |
01:56.30 | ranix | k |
01:56.54 | Byan | maybe.. I'll try to install >_> >_> ubuntu first |
01:57.06 | ranix | they'll have the same problem Debian has with sbin |
01:57.20 | ranix | I think INIZ should be able to get you a recovery boot |
01:57.41 | ranix | might want to scour the website |
01:57.41 | Byan | maybe but that requires going through support |
01:57.46 | ranix | hmm |
01:57.58 | ranix | you sure there's no recovery boot option |
01:58.36 | Byan | none that I see... |
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01:59.14 | ranix | maybe resize the disk to be super small and install Arch on its own partition |
01:59.36 | ranix | then boot Arch and delete the Debian partition, make a new one, and use it as a data partition or something |
01:59.52 | ranix | this is going to be pretty tough |
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02:01.47 | Byan | ranix: actually |
02:01.55 | Byan | rcentos comes with the same structure of smlinks |
02:01.58 | Byan | as arch |
02:02.00 | Byan | lol |
02:02.03 | Byan | I think it'll just work |
02:02.07 | ranix | cool, gl |
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02:02.22 | Byan | yeah we will see in a second |
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02:03.49 | daishun | hello |
02:04.06 | Byan | cool it worked ranix |
02:04.10 | ranix | nice |
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02:04.13 | Byan | no network up but at least it booted! |
02:05.01 | daishun | why does debian require su to run ifconfig? In contrast to ubuntu which runs it at user level. |
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02:05.25 | jmcnaught | daishun: it doesn't require root to run |
02:05.27 | ranix | daishun: it doesn't, they actually just moved ifconfig to /sbin and /sbin isn't in the user's path by default |
02:06.02 | ranix | it is a super annoying change |
02:06.13 | ranix | I don't remember when it happened but I noticed it |
02:06.19 | daishun | how do I correctly add /sbin to my $PATH so that it persists? |
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02:06.41 | ranix | add a line to bashrc |
02:06.52 | jmcnaught | ip on the other hand is in /bin, and it's what users are encouraged to use instead of ifconfig anyways |
02:06.54 | ranix | a Google search "bashrc path" will lead you to it |
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02:07.31 | ranix | you just need PATH=$PATH:/new/path so the $PATH is included with the new path appended |
02:08.32 | ranix | jmcnaught: ip isn't suitable for non-powerusers in my opinion because it isn't friendly to using it blind |
02:08.43 | ranix | if you type "ip" with no arguments you get a scary usage page with a ton of options |
02:09.04 | ranix | if you type "ifconfig" you get information that more or less makes sense to a layman, so they can figure it out |
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02:09.43 | jmcnaught | 'ip address' is not that hard a command to remember, and most people would only need to learn it once |
02:10.04 | ranix | it doesn't seem hard, but every little bit hurts the new user |
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02:10.28 | jmcnaught | how does the new user know ifconfig, a deprecated command, in the first place? |
02:10.40 | ranix | who deprecated ifconfig |
02:11.11 | jmcnaught | if they're new they might as well learn the new command than the deprecated one that isn't even installed by default as of stretch |
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02:11.20 | ranix | if I were to guess, someone who likes changing things for shits and giggles |
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02:11.25 | daishun | ok, ifconfig now working without sudo :) |
02:11.26 | rjsalts | some kernel peeps |
02:11.27 | ranix | like interfaces.d |
02:11.46 | jmcnaught | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#iproute2 |
02:11.53 | crucify_me | LambdaCalculus37, hey could I PM you? |
02:12.10 | jmcnaught | the change was announced in 2009: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/03/msg00780.html |
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02:14.28 | Byan | as we talk about this, I wish I had installed ifconfig |
02:14.34 | Byan | who the hell knows how to use this ip thing |
02:14.38 | ranix | ip addr show |
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02:14.56 | ranix | I know how to use it because it's much better for automation than scraping ifconfig |
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02:15.14 | rjsalts | I prefer the iproute2 stuff for most things |
02:15.27 | Giovani | Hello guys, somehow my GRUB went to space after I sent my laptop to maintenance, the guy just cleaned the insides. This is the result of boot-info http://paste.ubuntu.com/25329353/ |
02:15.33 | ranix | deprecating net-tools still starts my curmudgeon engine |
02:15.42 | Giovani | I`ve tried to run boot repair but it didn`t worked at all |
02:16.25 | rjsalts | ranix: it sounds like nobody wanted to work on it, so it hasn't kept up, that is all |
02:16.57 | Byan | deprecating it is fine, but telling people not to use ifconfig for user interface is dumb |
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02:17.06 | daishun | So what exactly is wrong with ifconfig if I want to see my interfaces and IPs? ip addr show is not easy to read |
02:17.08 | rjsalts | ranix: it still does what it did in 2009, and those interfaces haven't changed since then |
02:17.26 | jmcnaught | deprecating *is* telling people to stop using it because it will be removed eventually |
02:17.49 | Byan | jmcnaught: will it really? |
02:17.59 | ranix | rjsalts: I liked this problem better when it was a "someone is taking my toys away" instead of a "nobody is maintaining my toys and I don't want to either" |
02:18.14 | rjsalts | because if it comes to the stage that the kernel no longer implements whatever system call that ifconfig/net-tools use then they will stop working |
02:18.37 | daishun | I only use it for the info. mainly to check my LAN IPs. nothing more |
02:18.57 | daishun | also to check I have a tun0 and my vpn is up |
02:19.35 | daishun | alias digme |
02:19.48 | daishun | woops wrong window xD |
02:19.52 | jmcnaught | Byan: that's what deprecation means with computers |
02:19.58 | Giovani | Is there a better channel I can get help with my booting problems? |
02:20.19 | ranix | Giovani: I looked at your problem and saw a win32 filesystem and peaced out |
02:20.27 | jmcnaught | daishun: you might find it quicker to type "ip a" than "ifconfig" |
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02:20.43 | Giovani | Yeah, Im dualbooting with a windows 8. |
02:20.51 | Giovani | Only use it for gaming tho |
02:21.05 | jmcnaught | Giovani: you didn't really ask a question. you said it went to space, whatever that means. And you tried boot repair, whatever that means. |
02:21.06 | ranix | Giovani: what is the actual problem, your computer won't boot? What does it do when you turn it on |
02:21.24 | daishun | the lack of a space between the interfaces makes ip a an eyesore |
02:21.37 | Byan | jmcnaught: tell that to things in deprecated java |
02:21.38 | ranix | if it actually went to space and now it won't boot it's probably because of solar radiation |
02:21.39 | Giovani | I had Debian and Windows 8. Now my GRUB isn`t showing anymore. |
02:21.41 | Byan | never seems to go away :P |
02:21.58 | Giovani | I`m running a live usb boot-repair-disk atm |
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02:22.00 | ranix | Giovani: install grub on it |
02:22.18 | ranix | probably to the MBR of the primary disk |
02:22.49 | Giovani | Sorry if my choose of words where poor. |
02:23.06 | Giovani | I just doesn`t make sense for GRUB to just dissapear. |
02:23.24 | ranix | it makes sense for GRUB to disappear if you brought your computer with Linux on it to a shop for repair |
02:23.52 | Artemis3 | if they don't know linux yes |
02:24.12 | ranix | it hadn't occurred to me that there might be a shop that knows linux |
02:24.28 | Giovani | The guy just cleaned my laptop, he said he didn`t messed with the softwares part. |
02:24.29 | Artemis3 | well i hope to run a shop someday :3 |
02:24.34 | ranix | Giovani: he liiiied |
02:24.38 | rjsalts | the windows fix boot stuff will overwrite the MBR if bios, and probably nuke grub with extreme prejudice on EFI too (haven't tested that myself though) |
02:25.35 | Giovani | I ran Boot repair, but nothing happens when I reboot. It goes instantly to Windows, if I try to boot from BIOS, there`s an old ubuntu there, but it leads me to MINIMAL GRUB |
02:25.45 | ranix | Giovani: what is "Boot repair" |
02:26.42 | ranix | if you ran a Windows utility called "boot repair" it would remove Grub for you |
02:26.45 | ranix | that is its purpose |
02:26.57 | ranix | by running it, you are implicitly asking it to remove Grub |
02:26.57 | Giovani | https://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/ |
02:27.14 | rjsalts | Giovani: bcdedit /set {bootmgr} path \EFI\... |
02:27.57 | ranix | looks like boot repair is https://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair/home/Home/ |
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02:31.17 | daishun | what do you need Windows for? |
02:31.32 | Giovani | Gaming in general |
02:31.35 | ranix | video games |
02:32.02 | ranix | windows is only good for selling computers to people who don't know how to use computers and playing video games now |
02:32.06 | ranix | it's kind of a shame |
02:32.08 | daishun | steam has a decent linux selection |
02:32.20 | ranix | most of the linux games have poor or nonexistant linux support |
02:32.37 | ranix | like you'll launch one and be greeted with an error message and six hours of debug |
02:32.50 | ranix | or inverted colors and gpu fan speed set at maximum |
02:32.52 | Giovani | I`ve wine, but more modern games just doesnt run as they should. |
02:32.59 | Artemis3 | thankfully i been doing fine with my games tyvm |
02:33.12 | ranix | do you play x3 |
02:33.17 | Artemis3 | yes |
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02:33.23 | ranix | how does it run on Linux? |
02:33.36 | Artemis3 | perfectly fine as far as i know |
02:33.38 | ranix | nice |
02:33.41 | ranix | I'll check it out |
02:33.44 | Artemis3 | no crashes or anything |
02:33.49 | daishun | try ballistic overkill if you like COD. It's only $10USD |
02:34.23 | Giovani | rjsalts: When I try to run it on terminal it says bcdedit is not found. |
02:34.42 | HeXiLeD | stretch. shutdown -r or -P (and others) as well as reboot and halt, do not work. The system kills a few process but i have to force the kernel to work. This is while using root. So any ideas ? |
02:35.04 | daishun | My next gaming rig will be a console. I used to be a big RTS gamer but that's pretty much non-existent anymore other than SC2 which is still very dated itself |
02:35.32 | rjsalts | Giovani: in an administrator shell on windows? |
02:35.58 | ranix | daishun: that's what I said last time I bought a gaming PC, then I saw how awful the consoles are these days. When a console is released there just are no games for it for 2 years, then it's poor outdated hardware |
02:36.02 | Giovani | rjsalts: Oooohhh, Im on a live usb atm, sorry for that. |
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02:36.12 | Giovani | Anything I can do from this side? |
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02:36.48 | ranix | Giovani: I think that boot util you've been using is capable of resurrecting your MBR if you provide it the right combination of options, but it's quite complex |
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02:37.38 | Giovani | ranix: Yeah, I think Ive downloaded a wrong version of it, because a lot of the Advanced settings aren`t showing here. |
02:37.52 | Giovani | Gonna try to do it again. Brb, gonna boot into windows. |
02:38.20 | daishun | I miss racing games. Nothing on PC other than the hardcore sims that need a wheel |
02:41.08 | Artemis3 | hmmm... speed dreams? |
02:41.58 | Artemis3 | i do own a wheel tho :3 |
02:42.04 | Artemis3 | but you don't really need it |
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02:42.26 | Artemis3 | except maybe in truck simulator xD |
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02:47.22 | ranix | daishun: elite dangerous is where it's at these days |
02:47.43 | Artemis3 | still wondering if Star Citizen will see a linux client |
02:47.50 | daishun | @Artemis3, will speed dreams run on intel HD3000? That's all I have atm as I left my desktop in another country |
02:48.05 | Artemis3 | daishan, i think so yes. try it, its free xD |
02:50.12 | daishun | @ranix, looks good, just don't have the hardware atm |
02:50.28 | daishun | I'll try speed dreams sometime |
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02:52.05 | daishun | I wish I had the cash to build a nice gaming rig |
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02:53.21 | daishun | Windows drives me crazy though. The last time I installed Windows 10 I spent an hour uninstalling bloatware then it all came back by itself |
02:53.43 | Artemis3 | it never ends |
02:53.43 | daishun | sudo apt purge windows |
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02:55.03 | ranix | yeah I'll need a new windows machine soon. It's so hard to upgrade those things so frequently when my Debian machines always outlive the hardware |
02:55.41 | ranix | I have never had an unrepairable issue with Debian that I've just wanted to toss the whole pc and get a new one for |
02:58.08 | daishun | I've not been using Debian long. I was a long time Mint user. I've had Debian for a month. Not much difference really. I like how firefox runs on debian. For some reason it's very laggy on mint. I had to use chromium. |
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02:59.07 | daishun | Also like how Debian removes the telementary option on FF iceweasel. Serious privacy concern |
02:59.18 | ranix | I've found that package maintenance in debian derivatives tends to lag behind in quality compared to debian's |
02:59.30 | ranix | it's easier to drink from the fire hose |
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02:59.53 | ranix | different distros are known for different behavior, like ubuntu tends to be cavalier in switching to new systems |
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03:00.55 | daishun | The main thing is that I can run cinnamon so for that reason I can't use ubuntu. I actually prefer the cinnamon appearance more on debian and it's nice to have the choise to switch desktop environments |
03:01.49 | ranix | it would annoy me a great deal if I couldn't use my favorite wm |
03:02.25 | daishun | I did try mate desktop on ubuntu. crash crash crash |
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03:02.59 | daishun | mint was stable. not crashed once on debian so far, no freezes or nothing |
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03:14.42 | alexlikerock | happy debian day |
03:14.46 | alexlikerock | o/ |
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03:23.03 | Tom-_ | what is it Debian's birthday? |
03:23.20 | Tom-_ | what do you know, it is |
03:23.34 | gert_ | nice, happy birthday |
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03:24.53 | Tom-_ | 20th birthday, too :) https://www.linux.com/news/debians-20th-birthday |
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03:25.02 | Tom-_ | happy birthday. :) |
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03:25.27 | ranix | <3 |
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03:26.45 | alexlikerock | yep, i love debian & Devuan |
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03:26.54 | alexlikerock | <3 |
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03:27.55 | hazzy | http://i.imgur.com/hsY9tQo.png |
03:28.46 | Henry151 | wow |
03:28.49 | Logg | nice graphic. |
03:28.50 | Henry151 | happy debian day |
03:28.56 | hazzy | Thanks |
03:28.57 | Henry151 | I <3 debian too :) |
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03:29.29 | PhotonSm | So many freenode people spamming porn what the fuck |
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03:29.47 | alexlikerock | dont open |
03:29.50 | ranix | yeah I can never remember how to set my umode to reject /messages |
03:29.52 | PhotonSm | Who has the ban hammer here? |
03:30.04 | PhotonSm | I opened the first one because I didn't know what it was |
03:30.06 | Artemis3 | you know its actually quite sad considering the end of its Author, you know the Ian part of the name... |
03:30.22 | ranix | wasn't he murdered by the police |
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03:30.45 | numbdewd | PhotonSm: www.enom.com responsible for domain it seem.. ramhost.us / robertmarder.com (noc@ , abuse@ ) phone to Robert responsible for the IP block +1-940-580-1040 .. if bothered enough give em a call and tell em whats bein hosted on their server and ask if they think they can get to it and stop its takedown before FBI will :d |
03:30.49 | Artemis3 | and Debra divorced him in 2008, its quite sad actually |
03:30.50 | alexlikerock | cop where you are?! |
03:30.51 | numbdewd | (afaik, usually such cases be taken more serious than any phishing or such ever was -- and near always, almost instant after report has been sent in they take action..usually swift). serious shit lol |
03:31.36 | Artemis3 | the Debian logo is actually two halves of a heart, and Deb Ian would be just that a couple. |
03:32.15 | PhotonSm | Huh? |
03:32.46 | Artemis3 | its so sad i would have changed the project name at this point |
03:32.50 | numbdewd | jessie,stretch etc.. hs there ever been a Debbie yet ? or presumed likely to ever be asa such? ..i thought seemed to match anyway,tho not even a common name whre im frmo. lol |
03:33.17 | numbdewd | Artemis3: hm.. sounds romanti,c, if only i understood more of what u were talkingabout even more so, i guess |
03:33.19 | numbdewd | :o |
03:33.21 | Logg | Debian releases are named after Toy Story characters |
03:33.50 | numbdewd | aha.. lotta characters to take from ? hmm |
03:33.59 | Logg | Yes. :) |
03:34.00 | Artemis3 | numbdewd, geek wants to impress girl, he makes linux distro with half his name and half her name, to top it, the logo is a heart with two colors on each side, current logo is half ot that |
03:34.01 | numbdewd | have we had Buzz Lightyear yet (or part of the name anyway) |
03:34.13 | Logg | We have had a Debian Buzz, yes. |
03:34.20 | LeelooMinai | Hmm cannot find fastd in stretch repo - any recommendation on equivalent? |
03:34.24 | numbdewd | Artemis3: oo.. lol, nice..=D lucky couple, unusual match it sounds:o) |
03:34.26 | Artemis3 | numbdewd, said geek died, and said girl divorced him |
03:34.29 | Logg | I'm about to install Debian Potato on an old Pentium III from the same era |
03:34.38 | numbdewd | o_@.. :/ |
03:34.42 | Artemis3 | ok the divorce was first |
03:34.53 | Artemis3 | but you get my meaning... its sad, tragic |
03:35.21 | Logg | This channel is really for support, so try #debian-offtopic for non-support discussion... |
03:35.36 | numbdewd | lets pretend they dealt with their differences, got back together , didnt bother announcing it widely, .. lived happiily ever after..last seen on a sailboat said to head around the planet on some voyage, |
03:36.06 | LeelooMinai | Logg: Was that about my question? |
03:36.40 | Artemis3 | Logg, you can install the current in a PIII, i installed potato in a p100, which i happen to still have, i just haven't turned it on for a decade or so |
03:36.47 | Logg | LeelooMinai, that was in reference to all this talk about Ian and Debbie and the shape of the logo, which clutters the channel. |
03:37.23 | Logg | Artemis3, I know current release would work on a pentium iii, but I want to try a period appropriate release for fun. :-) |
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03:38.32 | LeelooMinai | Logg: A, ok, I never know - #debian is so broad that not sure what goes and what not:) |
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03:39.21 | Logg | LeelooMinai, looks like fastd is in stretch to me https://packages.debian.org/stretch/net/fastd |
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03:40.25 | LeelooMinai | Er... |
03:40.37 | LeelooMinai | Wait, I just searched for it... |
03:40.55 | Logg | maybe it was added in the couple minutes since you searched. :) |
03:40.56 | LeelooMinai | A, ok, fail - I meant fasd not fastd |
03:41.46 | LeelooMinai | The command lind cd and others helper thing (never used it, but thought it may be nice) |
03:42.12 | Logg | Never heard of it. What's it do? |
03:42.28 | numbdewd | https://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages (big page!) |
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03:42.50 | LeelooMinai | It can fuzzy search for directory name fragments, etc. - like autojump + other utilities I guess |
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03:42.58 | numbdewd | (replace "allpackages" with packagename for infoz^) |
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03:43.34 | PhotonSm | Holy shit how do I block pms in irssi, I keep getting more port |
03:43.34 | alexlikerock | more porn to everu one :-) |
03:43.38 | PhotonSm | fuck you |
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03:43.50 | Hoolootwo | usermod +R |
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03:44.04 | Logg | LeelooMinai: I like the package "command-not-found" to suggest packages to install if I don't have a binary I need. And I usually just use tab completion or page-up history completion for commands |
03:44.08 | alexlikerock | yes hooloo |
03:44.13 | LeelooMinai | I always feel sad in the command line typing directory names I just typed 10 minutes ago - even with tab and ctrl-r etc. it feels annoying. |
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03:44.18 | random_numbers | The hell is up with the spam. |
03:44.30 | PhotonSm | Someone needs a hobby |
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03:45.01 | alexlikerock | yeah |
03:45.02 | LeelooMinai | Right, I got those annoying children links too - they are working on it, and in the meantime +R is good as it block all msgs from unidentified nicks |
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03:45.20 | PhotonSm | Looked at one, regret it |
03:45.23 | LeelooMinai | I mean children were naked, not annoying - the links were:) |
03:45.28 | tesko | brb |
03:45.34 | PhotonSm | :/ |
03:45.41 | raktajino | yikes |
03:45.46 | dpyro | ty for +R |
03:45.49 | PhotonSm | ^ |
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03:46.01 | dpyro | managed to avoid that kind of stuff so far until now |
03:46.15 | PhotonSm | Same |
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03:47.19 | LeelooMinai | Hmm, ok, command-not-found seems a good idea. |
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03:47.59 | Logg | yeah, command-not-found is great. It tells you if you need super user permission to run a command too, instead of implying that the package isn't installed. |
03:48.24 | Artemis3 | just block pms |
03:48.49 | PhotonSm | Blocked pms, joins and parts too finally |
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03:48.55 | PhotonSm | And quits |
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03:50.32 | LeelooMinai | Installed it, but get "Could not find the database of available applications, run update-command-not-found as root to fix this". I did that, but still the same - weird. |
03:50.57 | gert_ | I don't use IRC that often is /umode the fix? |
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03:51.30 | Logg | LeelooMinai, it'll work. maybe `apt-get update` and try again. |
03:51.31 | LeelooMinai | <PROTECTED> |
03:51.34 | Namidairo | /mode nickname +R |
03:52.01 | alt0id | Namidairo: thanks |
03:52.02 | LeelooMinai | Ok, now I have to ask... |
03:52.22 | LeelooMinai | Namidairo: How did you type / there at first char - escaped it or something? |
03:52.32 | Logg | maybe they used a 0 width space |
03:52.35 | Namidairo | start with double // |
03:52.43 | Logg | neat. |
03:52.47 | LeelooMinai | Ok, OCD here:) |
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03:54.35 | DesertRock | So Iâm running a RPi with raspbian. I have a wifi dongle that only works once and awhile. Iâve noticed that it might be correlated to the USB device number (correlation != causation, but Iâm hopeful). How does debian find usb devices that are good canidates for a network interface |
03:54.58 | Logg | raspbian support is in #raspbian |
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03:56.44 | ranix | ah it's mode +R to ignore messages from unauthenticated users on freenode |
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03:56.57 | ranix | for anyone who was getting spammed and forgot how to block it |
03:57.48 | Hydrastra | getting spammed here as well |
03:58.05 | ranix | for irssi you can ignore all direct communication with /ignore * DCC |
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03:58.14 | b4b | itâs prolly jims spam nbot doing it |
03:58.17 | Hydrastra | thnx |
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03:58.47 | ranix | hmm +R isn't stopping it though |
03:59.09 | LeelooMinai | lol, got a dongle thing that pretends it's a monitor (has edid flash inside), so I can have Debian without monitor, but use it remotely at high res directly with x11vnc |
03:59.11 | zerokelvinkeyboa | Noob question, but how do you apply modes? |
03:59.29 | zerokelvinkeyboa | I keep getting spammed. |
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03:59.35 | Logg | /mode zerokelvinkeyboa +R |
03:59.36 | ranix | /mode <mode> |
03:59.43 | b4b | i want to get into tedious computer science but the iq requirements are 50-70 |
03:59.52 | random_numbers | What does +R do? |
03:59.55 | ranix | say ah I actually failed to apply +R because I used the wrong syntax and that's why it didn't work |
03:59.58 | b4b | maybe if i drink tons of alcohol i can get in |
03:59.58 | ranix | thanks Logg |
04:00.10 | ranix | random_numbers: it prevents unregistered users from querying you |
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04:00.20 | random_numbers | ranix: I see. Thanks |
04:00.21 | LeelooMinai | And the dongle inside has like 30 resolutions up to 4K - every resolution one could have, but of course it does not have one for my monitor (2560x1080) - Murphy got me again. |
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04:01.21 | ranix | LeelooMinai: wow lame |
04:01.50 | mns | ranix: I get "Unkown mode character R" when I do /mode +R |
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04:02.15 | Logg | LeelooMinai, I don't think you need a monitor attached to start a VNC session. VNC can start a new desktop instead of attaching to one that already exists. |
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04:02.44 | Logg | mns, it's "/mode mns +R" |
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04:03.14 | LeelooMinai | Right, well, that's the first thing I did, but apparently it's not really the same - tried linuxcnc for example and it would not run because it needs real hardware for opengl or who knows what. |
04:03.15 | mns | duh ! |
04:03.47 | Logg | LeelooMinai, sounds great. lol |
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04:03.55 | ranix | LeelooMinai: linuxcnc needs real time linux, you can't use ex. SATA hard disks when you are using linuxcnc |
04:04.10 | ranix | I've set it up before, it's a sizeable pain in the ass |
04:04.29 | ranix | I think there are better implementations now for arduino or raspberry pi |
04:04.49 | ranix | maybe it was IDE hard disks that you couldn't use |
04:04.53 | ranix | PATA |
04:04.56 | LeelooMinai | So x11vnc connected to :0.0 is actually working, but still - my realvnc client for example scrolls into virtual desktops if I move the cursor too close to the bottom - it's maddening. |
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04:05.17 | LeelooMinai | Like it sees some scary dektop res with all virtual desktops stacked vertically:) |
04:05.23 | ranix | are you actually running a real time kernel |
04:05.45 | Logg | LeelooMinai, you need a client that will hide the buffer space |
04:05.51 | LeelooMinai | ranix: Yes. I mean not on this debian (this is only for linuxcnc sim), but on other, yes. |
04:05.55 | ranix | ah ok |
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04:06.07 | ranix | I was going to say the real time kernel can mess with graphics acceleration |
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04:06.27 | LeelooMinai | I am almost tempted to buy some HDMI-switch and run the cable to my main monitor directly to get rid of all this madness. |
04:07.16 | LeelooMinai | Yesterday my keys would not repeat - there's always something:( |
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04:07.47 | ranix | how come you have a vnc client connected directly to your primary x session |
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04:08.00 | LeelooMinai | Through x11vnc |
04:08.10 | LeelooMinai | That's what it can do. |
04:08.22 | ranix | is it just weird to be doing it locally |
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04:08.51 | LeelooMinai | What do you mean "locally"? |
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04:09.26 | LeelooMinai | I mean the PC is in my home, but in the basement - two floors down... |
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04:09.42 | ranix | I was assuming the significance of :0.0 was that you were connecting with a vnc client running on the pc running the x server, which would be weird for x11vnc |
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04:10.15 | r_rios | Hello, all. I managed to successfully upgrade to Stretch (using Plasma), but enabling OpenGL compositing makes the screen freeze. Any ideas? |
04:10.18 | LeelooMinai | No, from Win 10 (ok, no I am burned here...:) |
04:10.25 | ranix | o ok |
04:11.00 | Logg | LeelooMinai, You can do hdmi over ethernet... might be more sane than a cable going 2 stories |
04:11.18 | Logg | dunno though, I never used it. |
04:11.21 | ranix | how's the performance with x11vnc |
04:11.41 | LeelooMinai | Too late - I already tore down the walls in the past and put 3 tubes for cables in there:) |
04:11.50 | Logg | lol |
04:11.52 | ranix | I used to use xdmcp for a lot of stuff at work and the performance for video or graphical apps was poor |
04:12.27 | LeelooMinai | So now I have like 4 HDMI cables there, ethernet one, and lot's of USB ones and even air hose from my compressor in the basement is there... |
04:13.02 | Logg | honestly a smart idea to have pipes in the walls. I'll probably do that too. |
04:13.30 | LeelooMinai | Well, it's great once you have it - zero noise from computers, no problems with heat also. |
04:13.42 | ranix | it's kind of stupid not to have if you think about it |
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04:14.15 | ranix | we should have a better system for romex installation that allows for rerunning wire without tearing walls down too |
04:14.16 | LeelooMinai | All new houses should have fiber in the walls if it was me:) |
04:15.26 | LeelooMinai | ranix: Well, I did not reall tear down whole walls - I did holes in strategic locations and patched them later, but still - was a PITA. |
04:16.07 | ranix | idk why the walls have to be flat |
04:16.14 | LeelooMinai | lol |
04:16.22 | ranix | I think it would be cooler if there were service doors like for the breaker box |
04:16.29 | Logg | #debian-offtopic. :) but yeh agreed |
04:16.34 | ranix | oh yeah, sorry |
04:16.55 | LeelooMinai | Was kind of on topic, but escallated - as always. |
04:17.29 | Logg | I think wall access panels are only very loosely related to the topic of debian support lol. :P |
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04:17.51 | LeelooMinai | They can be to have access to debian:) |
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04:18.40 | Shadur | ... Is there a way to disable receiving /msg from non-registered nicks? I'm getting spammed with crappy porn urls by randoms. |
04:18.50 | LeelooMinai | /mode +R nick |
04:19.17 | maxcell_ | Can i have an opinion on this log? https://paste.debian.net/981461/ - *I'm not using Debian right now* |
04:19.19 | Logg | I think it'd be "/mode Shadur +R" |
04:19.30 | Shadur | Thanks. |
04:20.03 | LeelooMinai | Right |
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04:20.40 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: if this log isn't from Debian you should ask in the channel for your distro, or ##linux which I see you have already done |
04:20.56 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, yep |
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04:21.33 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught, i have this messages every distros thats why i asked here |
04:21.37 | jmcnaught | with irssi you can do '/umode +R', also +g is caller-id which blocks even registered users until you /accept them |
04:21.51 | maxcell_ | dont bother the help its ok |
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04:24.21 | Blendify_i5 | Hi I am having an issue libssl1.0.0 in seems that it cannot find the package |
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04:25.24 | Logg | Blendify_i5, try https://packages.debian.org/stretch/libssl1.1 |
04:25.40 | jmcnaught | ,v libssl1.0.2 |
04:25.41 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.2 on amd64 -- sid: 1.0.2l-2; buster: 1.0.2l-2; stretch: 1.0.2l-2 |
04:26.15 | Blendify_i5 | Logg, already installed |
04:26.30 | jmcnaught | that's going to be closer, but if it's some third party package that hasn't been updated for stretch yet, you could either run it in jessie, or install the libssl1.0.0 package from jessie |
04:28.11 | Blendify_i5 | jmcnaught, how would I go about that? |
04:28.46 | jmcnaught | !jessie sources.list |
04:28.47 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
04:28.52 | rauno | gabrielc: `Kevin found with tcpdump -nn -v -i eno1 -s 1500 -c 1 '(ether[12:2]=0x88cc or ether[20:2]=0x2000)' |
04:29.05 | rauno | that i indeed have a 1043 vlan existing on switch |
04:29.42 | jmcnaught | Blendify_i5: you woudl add at least the first two deb lines from above. Note that it's somewhat okay to add repos for an *older* release, if you add repos for a newer release you will mess your system up |
04:30.12 | Blendify_i5 | ok |
04:30.13 | jmcnaught | Blendify_i5: also note that any jessie packages you have installed will stop getting security updates sooner than the stretch packages will |
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04:30.47 | Rusty1_ | !ops a bit of trouble with spamming pm's , perhaps take it up with freenode |
04:30.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: rusty1_ complains about: a bit of trouble with spamming pm's , perhaps take it up with freenode |
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04:34.06 | HotSwap | Rusty1_ freenode knows. set /mode Rusty1_ +R |
04:34.31 | HotSwap | thats about all the advice freenode has |
04:35.01 | Rusty1_ | thx HotSwap |
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04:37.10 | Blendify_i5 | jmcnaught, it did not seem to work |
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22:42.30 | aloo_shu | then, ryancz, type 'pkexec' and press the 'Tab' button twice. Is there an item called 'pkexec-synaptuc'? ryancz |
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22:43.12 | aloo_shu | synaptic, typo |
22:43.25 | ryanzc | just pkexec right? |
22:43.59 | ryanzc | it lists commands, doesnt show any files |
22:44.23 | aloo_shu | you just type 'pkexec', and when you pres the tab button twice, it should show the possible completions. |
22:44.39 | ryanzc | pkexec --version | |
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22:44.40 | ryanzc | <PROTECTED> |
22:44.40 | ryanzc | <PROTECTED> |
22:44.40 | ryanzc | See the pkexec manual page for more details. |
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22:44.51 | aloo_shu | yes, ryancz, exactly, it lists commands. Is 'pkexec-synaptic' one of them? |
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22:45.33 | ryanzc | oopsies |
22:45.56 | ryanzc | well, at any rate, no i dont see the synaptic option |
22:46.11 | aloo_shu | ryancz, pkexec, not return, just tab 2x to see possibilities |
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22:46.44 | ryanzc | whoah, there we go, let me look here |
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22:47.02 | ryanzc | no, synaptic isnt listed |
22:47.24 | aloo_shu | ryancz, but do not post more than 1,2 lines here. that kicked you out... :) |
22:47.31 | ryanzc | I know lol |
22:47.49 | ryanzc | oh wait there is a more button |
22:48.09 | ryanzc | nope, not there |
22:48.41 | aloo_shu | ryancz, more simple. type 'pkexec-synaptic &' and return, what happens? |
22:49.15 | ryanzc | ampersand included? |
22:49.52 | aloo_shu | yes |
22:50.02 | ryanzc | command not found |
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22:50.48 | aloo_shu | ok, fine, ryancz. then just try 'sudo synaptic &' |
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22:51.42 | ryanzc | it says [2] 19226 |
22:51.42 | ryanzc | <PROTECTED> |
22:51.53 | Murda | How can I disable wlan0 interface so it wont come up on boot |
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22:54.59 | aloo_shu | ryancz, weird, if somebody else wants to take over.. but try this now: whereis synaptic |
22:55.52 | aloo_shu | ryancz I would expect /usr/bin/synaptic or similar as an answer |
22:56.13 | ryanzc | it comes up in several places |
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22:56.43 | aloo_shu | is /usr/bin/synaptic one of them? |
22:56.59 | ryanzc | nope |
22:57.07 | ryanzc | i see /usr/sbin |
22:57.38 | ryanzc | (/usr/sbin/synaptic) |
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22:57.59 | aloo_shu | ok, then, ryancz : 'sudo /usr/sbin/synaptic' . |
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22:59.11 | ryanzc | no protocol specified, unable to init server, could not connect, connection refused |
22:59.20 | ryanzc | and then that gtk warning again |
22:59.47 | ryanzc | cannot open display |
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23:02.13 | aloo_shu | ryancz, just one more try, 'whereis pkexec-synaptic' spell it exact |
23:02.54 | ryanzc | pkexec-synaptic: |
23:03.01 | ryanzc | thats all it says |
23:03.04 | SuperTramp83 | ryanzc, do you have policykit-1-gnome installed? |
23:03.31 | aloo_shu | ryancz, follow him |
23:03.45 | aloo_shu | or her |
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23:04.08 | SuperTramp83 | I'm a genderless cat :) |
23:04.15 | ryanzc | lol |
23:04.20 | ryanzc | yes i have it installed |
23:04.51 | SuperTramp83 | hmm, I know on another distro I had to install that to make it work .. |
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23:05.56 | SuperTramp83 | ryanzc, it works fine if you launch it from terminal? |
23:06.29 | ryanzc | normally i just open it from the icon, but it wont open via that or the terminal |
23:07.40 | aloo_shu | (that would be sudo apt-get install policykit-1-gnome I assume. worth a try, no?) |
23:08.04 | SuperTramp83 | yeah, and also log out and back in or reboot |
23:08.07 | SuperTramp83 | maybe reinstall it |
23:08.19 | SuperTramp83 | sudo apt install policyblabla --reinstall |
23:08.34 | ryanzc | reinstall that package |
23:08.42 | aloo_shu | apt-get .. |
23:09.08 | SuperTramp83 | aloo_shu, you need to update thyself :P |
23:09.42 | SuperTramp83 | only apt now \o/ |
23:10.24 | ryanzc | did the reinstall |
23:10.27 | aloo_shu | dpkg -P aloo_shu |
23:10.31 | ryanzc | but it did not help |
23:10.46 | SuperTramp83 | did you reboot or log out and back? |
23:11.00 | ryanzc | ill try brb |
23:11.29 | SuperTramp83 | aloo_shu, hehe |
23:12.04 | aloo_shu | not installed. you cann install it by typing... |
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23:13.20 | ryanzc | nope didnt work after reboot |
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23:16.08 | SuperTramp83 | :( |
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23:17.33 | ryanzc | im out of ideas |
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23:19.02 | ryanzc | im going to come back here later and try again |
23:20.19 | aloo_shu | ryanz you said you reinstalled all packages. I do not know how you did, but maybe that was it. and but there is one more |
23:20.29 | aloo_shu | option |
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23:20.53 | aloo_shu | press ctrl-alt F! |
23:21.07 | aloo_shu | ryancz press ctrl-alt F1 |
23:21.38 | aloo_shu | log in as root |
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23:22.45 | aloo_shu | type the command startx |
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23:23.22 | aloo_shu | and you have a full desktop session as root. synaptic might start then, but something else still seems to be wrong |
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23:29.32 | aloo_shu | Two of a Kind.. |
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23:52.39 | HeXiLeD | debian 9 The following packages have unmet dependencies: https://bpaste.net/show/24168b7a8b96 any suggestions ? |
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23:54.41 | foxpup | HeXiLeD, maybe resolve it with links? |
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23:55.51 | aloo_shu | HeXiLeD the key is possibly: you have held broken packages. |
23:56.07 | HeXiLeD | links the package ? or links to sources ? |
23:56.30 | HeXiLeD | aloo_shu: possibly but apt check says nothing about it |
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23:56.56 | foxpup | you google if you can find other versions, maybe even in arch |
23:57.22 | foxpup | then you try if you can use then instead bij remaning or linking |
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23:57.32 | foxpup | just an idea |
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23:58.05 | foxpup | *renaming* |
23:58.21 | aloo_shu | HeXiLeD I'm by no means a nerd, I would know how to locate broken packages from synaptic. |
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23:59.22 | aloo_shu | I do not know how apt check works, and being on a tablet, I cannot check by man now. But starting with man |