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00:11.27victorqueirozWhere should I put my fontconfig folder?
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00:12.04bazhangvictorqueiroz, in elementary?
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00:29.04victorqueirozI added /usr/share/fontconfig/conf.avail/11-lcdfilter-default.conf to my $HOME/.config/fontconfig/conf.d folder but I can't see 'Xft.lcdfilter' when I hit "xrdb -query". WHy?
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00:31.12bazhangvictorqueiroz, is that debian or elementary
00:31.56victorqueirozDebian
00:31.59victorqueirozNo more Elementary here
00:32.03victorqueirozSorry about that =D
00:32.42aarovictorqueiroz, you would need to define Xft.lcdfilter in your ~/.Xresources
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00:35.18victorqueirozWhat's the best config for lcdfilter? Why do I have this file? (.Xresources)
00:36.00victorqueirozI just added configs to there. How can I reset cache?
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00:37.25aaroafter you change .Xresources you do 'xrdb .Xresources' and restart your terminal
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00:42.44PhotonSmAnyone here use wemux?
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00:43.32victorqueirozI'm back!
00:43.44PhotonSmWb
00:43.49pingouinwelcome back !
00:44.12PhotonSmAnyone?
00:44.34contrapunctus!ask
00:44.35dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
00:46.07PhotonSmWemux works fine with wemux join. When I try wemux or wemux start as normal or root I now get the following issues: permission error (tried chmod 777 for file, no change whatsoever), no server to attach to, it starts and does nothing, or it starts and then complains about nothing to attach to, and there is no entry in wemux list
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00:52.29victorqueirozpingouin and PhotonSm: Thank you guys, you're very friendly
00:53.13victorqueirozBtw, do you guys have any idea if still worth to use Infinality on Debian? https://github.com/bohoomil/fontconfig-ultimate
00:54.20PhotonSmnot sure
00:54.45cheapieSeeing as how ifconfig is deprecated, what's the new "right way" to get a list of network interfaces?
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00:55.59r_riosWill I be able to check which packages will be upgraded before upgrading to stretch?
00:57.07cheapieMeh, looks like "ip link list" does what I want.
00:58.27numbdewdr_rios: if thru apt-get, possibly one of these:    -s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry-run, --recon, --no-act
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00:59.21thecoffemakerhello everyone ... did someone have issues with wifi using debian's non-free live image?
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01:02.26r_riosnumbdewd: Thanks
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01:08.43crucify_mehey you know when you hit the command key on gnome (jessie 9) and those little jigsaw pieces pop up telling you the time in uzbekistan ? I'd like to turn those off...thanks
01:09.46jmcnaughtcrucify_me: go to settings, click on search, clock is probably the one you want to disable
01:11.56crucify_mehey, thanks jmcnaught its other things too, like my bookmark bar in chromium. can I turn off all those secondary things that are not auto-completes for applications ? thanks again
01:13.37jmcnaughtcrucify_me: are you still talking about gnome-shell?
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01:14.27crucify_meyes
01:14.43jmcnaughtcrucify_me: look at the search settings, there's a global disable
01:15.15crucify_meexcellent thanks kindly jmcnaught
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01:39.21Byanroot@carrot:/# rm -r sbin
01:39.21Byanrm: cannot remove 'sbin': Device or resource busy
01:39.27Byananyone know whats happening here?
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01:41.12Byangrrrr
01:45.03ranixByan: someone has a shell open in that directory or one of the files inside it is being used by an active process
01:45.21ranixByan: lsof can help find which process is using it
01:45.28Byanlsof comes back with nothing
01:45.35ranixthen it'll be something active in the dir itself
01:45.37Byanbut maybe cause the files are deleted it can't?
01:45.41Byanhmm
01:45.45ranixi.e. if you cd to /foo and then rm . you'll get this error
01:45.51Byanbut the server was just restarted
01:46.00Byanso there cant be anything that I own doing it
01:46.04ranixperhaps the thing utilizing sbin is spawned on startup
01:46.11Byanright..
01:46.12Byanhmm
01:46.39ranixif you want to perform hax you could insert a line into an early startup script to rmdir it
01:46.42ranixare there any contents
01:46.47jmcnaughtWhy are you deleting /sbin?
01:46.52ranixhe didn't say /sbin
01:46.55ranixhe just said "sbin"
01:47.00Byanjmcnaught: replacing it with a symlink
01:47.03Byanit is /sbin :D
01:47.09contrapunctuso\
01:47.23ByanI am trying to install another distro on top of debian
01:47.30jmcnaughtranix: the path in his prompt
01:47.31Byanbut its failing because it can't remove those directories
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01:47.48ranixjmcnaught: ah good eye
01:47.56jmcnaughtByan: this is something you should do from a live boot, not while booted into the system
01:47.59Byanjmcnaught: you think that bash is holding this?
01:48.09ByanI think you're right
01:48.29Byanok lets try again
01:48.35jmcnaughtwhat is the symlink to?
01:48.46Byan/usr/bin
01:48.50ranixhaha
01:48.54Byan(the way arch does things)
01:49.04ranixwhy are you doing this nonsense
01:49.24Byanbecause my vps doesn't ship with arch
01:50.07jmcnaughthttps://wiki.debian.org/UsrMerge
01:50.40ranixalso http://xyproblem.info/
01:50.43Byanthis time lets try without logging in at all..
01:50.54jmcnaughtByan: I suspect that doing this manually, and especially trying to combine sbin and bin, will either break your system, or the package problem will break your 'solution' next time there are upgrades
01:51.10jmcnaughtByan: you're just making problems for yourself by messing with files that are managed by packages
01:51.35Mordainecho -e \nhello\n  should print newlines on any bash shell script right ?
01:52.26Byancould not make way for new symlink: sbin
01:52.27Mordainoh i need quotes nm
01:52.33Byandamn
01:52.43Byanjmcnaught: I am really not doing that
01:52.51Byanpacman will manage them
01:53.02Byanthe problem is that I can't setup / the way archlinux wants it
01:53.09Byanso trying to install it breaks everything
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01:53.23ranixwhat will happen when you tell pacman to manage packages in a system in which it has zero managed packages?
01:53.33ranixI suspect it will try to install dependencies and annihilate your system
01:53.39jmcnaughtByan: maybe you should ask the Arch channel how to install it from inside another distro. This doesn't sound like a #debian problem really
01:53.50Byanits not
01:53.57Byanthedeleting issue is though
01:54.29ranixlinode has a recovery mode where you can boot your system off a temporary ramdisk and mount your drive for repair purposes
01:54.30Byanso that didnt work hmm
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01:54.35ranixyour vps might have the same solution
01:54.41Byandoesnt seem to
01:54.52ranixI recommend cancelling it and getting a linode
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01:55.00Byanhttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Virtual_Private_Server#Installing_the_latest_Arch_Linux_on_any_OpenVZ_provider
01:55.05ByanFWIW thats what I am trying to do
01:55.15ByanI was using linode and I was sick of them
01:55.20Byankeep having random downtime
01:55.24ranixthat's strange
01:55.26ranixwhich datacenter
01:55.47ranixyou can pick a different one
01:55.51Byanhmm
01:55.56Byanwell, this is already done.
01:55.57ranixI've had good luck with Fremont CA
01:56.09Byanthe option I am choosing is much much cheaper
01:56.11Byan$25/year
01:56.20ranixnot OVH right
01:56.26Byanno
01:56.26ranixor bluevm
01:56.29ByanINIZ
01:56.30ranixk
01:56.54Byanmaybe.. I'll try to install >_> >_> ubuntu first
01:57.06ranixthey'll have the same problem Debian has with sbin
01:57.20ranixI think INIZ should be able to get you a recovery boot
01:57.41ranixmight want to scour the website
01:57.41Byanmaybe but that requires going through support
01:57.46ranixhmm
01:57.58ranixyou sure there's no recovery boot option
01:58.36Byannone that I see...
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01:59.14ranixmaybe resize the disk to be super small and install Arch on its own partition
01:59.36ranixthen boot Arch and delete the Debian partition, make a new one, and use it as a data partition or something
01:59.52ranixthis is going to be pretty tough
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02:01.47Byanranix: actually
02:01.55Byanrcentos comes with the same structure of smlinks
02:01.58Byanas arch
02:02.00Byanlol
02:02.03ByanI think it'll just work
02:02.07ranixcool, gl
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02:02.22Byanyeah we will see in a second
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02:03.49daishunhello
02:04.06Byancool it worked ranix
02:04.10ranixnice
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02:04.13Byanno network up but at least it booted!
02:05.01daishunwhy does debian require su to run ifconfig? In contrast to ubuntu which runs it at user level.
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02:05.25jmcnaughtdaishun: it doesn't require root to run
02:05.27ranixdaishun: it doesn't, they actually just moved ifconfig to /sbin and /sbin isn't in the user's path by default
02:06.02ranixit is a super annoying change
02:06.13ranixI don't remember when it happened but I noticed it
02:06.19daishunhow do I correctly add /sbin to my $PATH so that it persists?
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02:06.41ranixadd a line to bashrc
02:06.52jmcnaughtip on the other hand is in /bin, and it's what users are encouraged to use instead of ifconfig anyways
02:06.54ranixa Google search "bashrc path" will lead you to it
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02:07.31ranixyou just need PATH=$PATH:/new/path so the $PATH is included with the new path appended
02:08.32ranixjmcnaught: ip isn't suitable for non-powerusers in my opinion because it isn't friendly to using it blind
02:08.43ranixif you type "ip" with no arguments you get a scary usage page with a ton of options
02:09.04ranixif you type "ifconfig" you get information that more or less makes sense to a layman, so they can figure it out
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02:09.43jmcnaught'ip address' is not that hard a command to remember, and most people would only need to learn it once
02:10.04ranixit doesn't seem hard, but every little bit hurts the new user
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02:10.28jmcnaughthow does the new user know ifconfig, a deprecated command, in the first place?
02:10.40ranixwho deprecated ifconfig
02:11.11jmcnaughtif they're new they might as well learn the new command than the deprecated one that isn't even installed by default as of stretch
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02:11.20ranixif I were to guess, someone who likes changing things for shits and giggles
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02:11.25daishunok, ifconfig now working without sudo :)
02:11.26rjsaltssome kernel peeps
02:11.27ranixlike interfaces.d
02:11.46jmcnaughthttps://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#iproute2
02:11.53crucify_meLambdaCalculus37, hey could I PM you?
02:12.10jmcnaughtthe change was announced in 2009: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/03/msg00780.html
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02:14.28Byanas we talk about this, I wish I had installed ifconfig
02:14.34Byanwho the hell knows how to use this ip thing
02:14.38ranixip addr show
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02:14.56ranixI know how to use it because it's much better for automation than scraping ifconfig
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02:15.14rjsaltsI prefer the iproute2 stuff for most things
02:15.27GiovaniHello guys, somehow my GRUB went to space after I sent my laptop to maintenance, the guy just cleaned the insides. This is the result of boot-info  http://paste.ubuntu.com/25329353/
02:15.33ranixdeprecating net-tools still starts my curmudgeon engine
02:15.42GiovaniI`ve tried to run boot repair but it didn`t worked at all
02:16.25rjsaltsranix: it sounds like nobody wanted to work on it, so it hasn't kept up, that is all
02:16.57Byandeprecating it is fine, but telling people not to use ifconfig for user interface is dumb
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02:17.06daishunSo what exactly is wrong with ifconfig if I want to see my interfaces and IPs? ip addr show is not easy to read
02:17.08rjsaltsranix: it still does what it did in 2009, and those interfaces haven't changed since then
02:17.26jmcnaughtdeprecating *is* telling people to stop using it because it will be removed eventually
02:17.49Byanjmcnaught: will it really?
02:17.59ranixrjsalts: I liked this problem better when it was a "someone is taking my toys away" instead of a "nobody is maintaining my toys and I don't want to either"
02:18.14rjsaltsbecause if it comes to the stage that the kernel no longer implements whatever system call that ifconfig/net-tools use then they will stop working
02:18.37daishunI only use it for the info. mainly to check my LAN IPs. nothing more
02:18.57daishunalso to check I have a tun0 and my vpn is up
02:19.35daishunalias digme
02:19.48daishunwoops wrong window xD
02:19.52jmcnaughtByan: that's what deprecation means with computers
02:19.58GiovaniIs there a better channel I can get help with my booting problems?
02:20.19ranixGiovani: I looked at your problem and saw a win32 filesystem and peaced out
02:20.27jmcnaughtdaishun: you might find it quicker to type "ip a" than "ifconfig"
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02:20.43GiovaniYeah, Im dualbooting with a windows 8.
02:20.51GiovaniOnly use it for gaming tho
02:21.05jmcnaughtGiovani: you didn't really ask a question. you said it went to space, whatever that means. And you tried boot repair, whatever that means.
02:21.06ranixGiovani: what is the actual problem, your computer won't boot? What does it do when you turn it on
02:21.24daishunthe lack of a space between the interfaces makes ip a an eyesore
02:21.37Byanjmcnaught: tell that to things in deprecated java
02:21.38ranixif it actually went to space and now it won't boot it's probably because of solar radiation
02:21.39GiovaniI had Debian and Windows 8. Now my GRUB isn`t showing anymore.
02:21.41Byannever seems to go away :P
02:21.58GiovaniI`m running a live usb boot-repair-disk atm
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02:22.00ranixGiovani: install grub on it
02:22.18ranixprobably to the MBR of the primary disk
02:22.49GiovaniSorry if my choose of words where poor.
02:23.06GiovaniI just doesn`t make sense for GRUB to just dissapear.
02:23.24ranixit makes sense for GRUB to disappear if you brought your computer with Linux on it to a shop for repair
02:23.52Artemis3if they don't know linux yes
02:24.12ranixit hadn't occurred to me that there might be a shop that knows linux
02:24.28GiovaniThe guy just cleaned my laptop, he said he didn`t messed with the softwares part.
02:24.29Artemis3well i hope to run a shop someday :3
02:24.34ranixGiovani: he liiiied
02:24.38rjsaltsthe windows fix boot stuff will overwrite the MBR if bios, and probably nuke grub with extreme prejudice on EFI too (haven't tested that myself though)
02:25.35GiovaniI ran Boot repair, but nothing happens when I reboot. It goes instantly to Windows, if I try to boot from BIOS, there`s an old ubuntu there, but it leads me to MINIMAL GRUB
02:25.45ranixGiovani: what is "Boot repair"
02:26.42ranixif you ran a Windows utility called "boot repair" it would remove Grub for you
02:26.45ranixthat is its purpose
02:26.57ranixby running it, you are implicitly asking it to remove Grub
02:26.57Giovanihttps://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/
02:27.14rjsaltsGiovani: bcdedit /set {bootmgr} path \EFI\...
02:27.57ranixlooks like boot repair is https://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair/home/Home/
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02:31.17daishunwhat do you need Windows for?
02:31.32GiovaniGaming in general
02:31.35ranixvideo games
02:32.02ranixwindows is only good for selling computers to people who don't know how to use computers and playing video games now
02:32.06ranixit's kind of a shame
02:32.08daishunsteam has a decent linux selection
02:32.20ranixmost of the linux games have poor or nonexistant linux support
02:32.37ranixlike you'll launch one and be greeted with an error message and six hours of debug
02:32.50ranixor inverted colors and gpu fan speed set at maximum
02:32.52GiovaniI`ve wine, but more modern games just doesnt run as they should.
02:32.59Artemis3thankfully i been doing fine with my games tyvm
02:33.12ranixdo you play x3
02:33.17Artemis3yes
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02:33.23ranixhow does it run on Linux?
02:33.36Artemis3perfectly fine as far as i know
02:33.38ranixnice
02:33.41ranixI'll check it out
02:33.44Artemis3no crashes or anything
02:33.49daishuntry ballistic overkill if you like COD. It's only $10USD
02:34.23Giovanirjsalts: When I try to run it on terminal it says bcdedit is not found.
02:34.42HeXiLeDstretch. shutdown -r or -P (and others) as well as reboot and halt, do not work. The system kills a few process but i have to force the kernel to work. This is while using root. So any ideas ?
02:35.04daishunMy next gaming rig will be a console. I used to be a big RTS gamer but that's pretty much non-existent anymore other than SC2 which is still very dated itself
02:35.32rjsaltsGiovani: in an administrator shell on windows?
02:35.58ranixdaishun: that's what I said last time I bought a gaming PC, then I saw how awful the consoles are these days. When a console is released there just are no games for it for 2 years, then it's poor outdated hardware
02:36.02Giovanirjsalts: Oooohhh, Im on a live usb atm, sorry for that.
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02:36.12GiovaniAnything I can do from this side?
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02:36.48ranixGiovani: I think that boot util you've been using is capable of resurrecting your MBR if you provide it the right combination of options, but it's quite complex
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02:37.38Giovaniranix: Yeah, I think Ive downloaded a wrong version of it, because a lot of the Advanced settings aren`t showing here.
02:37.52GiovaniGonna try to do it again. Brb, gonna boot into windows.
02:38.20daishunI miss racing games. Nothing on PC other than the hardcore sims that need a wheel
02:41.08Artemis3hmmm... speed dreams?
02:41.58Artemis3i do own a wheel tho :3
02:42.04Artemis3but you don't really need it
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02:42.26Artemis3except maybe in truck simulator xD
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02:47.22ranixdaishun: elite dangerous is where it's at these days
02:47.43Artemis3still wondering if Star Citizen will see a linux client
02:47.50daishun@Artemis3, will speed dreams run on intel HD3000? That's all I have atm as I left my desktop in another country
02:48.05Artemis3daishan, i think so yes. try it, its free xD
02:50.12daishun@ranix, looks good, just don't have the hardware atm
02:50.28daishunI'll try speed dreams sometime
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02:52.05daishunI wish I had the cash to build a nice gaming rig
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02:53.21daishunWindows drives me crazy though. The last time I installed Windows 10 I spent an hour uninstalling bloatware then it all came back by itself
02:53.43Artemis3it never ends
02:53.43daishunsudo apt purge windows
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02:55.03ranixyeah I'll need a new windows machine soon. It's so hard to upgrade those things so frequently when my Debian machines always outlive the hardware
02:55.41ranixI have never had an unrepairable issue with Debian that I've just wanted to toss the whole pc and get a new one for
02:58.08daishunI've not been using Debian long. I was a long time Mint user. I've had Debian for a month. Not much difference really. I like how firefox runs on debian. For some reason it's very laggy on mint. I had to use chromium.
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02:59.07daishunAlso like how Debian removes the telementary option on FF iceweasel. Serious privacy concern
02:59.18ranixI've found that package maintenance in debian derivatives tends to lag behind in quality compared to debian's
02:59.30ranixit's easier to drink from the fire hose
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02:59.53ranixdifferent distros are known for different behavior, like ubuntu tends to be cavalier in switching to new systems
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03:00.55daishunThe main thing is that I can run cinnamon so for that reason I can't use ubuntu. I actually prefer the cinnamon appearance more on debian and it's nice to have the choise to switch desktop environments
03:01.49ranixit would annoy me a great deal if I couldn't use my favorite wm
03:02.25daishunI did try mate desktop on ubuntu. crash crash crash
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03:02.59daishunmint was stable. not crashed once on debian so far, no freezes or nothing
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03:14.42alexlikerockhappy debian day
03:14.46alexlikerocko/
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03:23.03Tom-_what is it Debian's birthday?
03:23.20Tom-_what do you know, it is
03:23.34gert_nice, happy birthday
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03:24.53Tom-_20th birthday, too :) https://www.linux.com/news/debians-20th-birthday
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03:25.02Tom-_happy birthday. :)
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03:25.27ranix<3
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03:26.45alexlikerockyep, i love debian & Devuan
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03:26.54alexlikerock<3
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03:27.55hazzyhttp://i.imgur.com/hsY9tQo.png
03:28.46Henry151wow
03:28.49Loggnice graphic.
03:28.50Henry151happy debian day
03:28.56hazzyThanks
03:28.57Henry151I <3 debian too :)
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03:29.29PhotonSmSo many freenode people spamming porn what the fuck
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03:29.47alexlikerockdont open
03:29.50ranixyeah I can never remember how to set my umode to reject /messages
03:29.52PhotonSmWho has the ban hammer here?
03:30.04PhotonSmI opened the first one because I didn't know what it was
03:30.06Artemis3you know its actually quite sad considering the end of its Author, you know the Ian part of the name...
03:30.22ranixwasn't he murdered by the police
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03:30.45numbdewdPhotonSm: www.enom.com  responsible for domain it seem.. ramhost.us / robertmarder.com  (noc@  , abuse@ )  phone to Robert responsible for the IP block +1-940-580-1040   .. if bothered enough give em a call and tell em whats bein hosted on their server and ask if they think they can get to it and stop its takedown before FBI will :d
03:30.49Artemis3and Debra divorced him in 2008, its quite sad actually
03:30.50alexlikerockcop where you are?!
03:30.51numbdewd(afaik, usually such cases be taken more serious than any phishing or such ever was -- and near always, almost instant after report has been sent in they take action..usually swift).   serious shit lol
03:31.36Artemis3the Debian logo is actually two halves of a heart, and Deb Ian would be just that a couple.
03:32.15PhotonSmHuh?
03:32.46Artemis3its so sad i would have changed the project name at this point
03:32.50numbdewdjessie,stretch etc.. hs there ever been a Debbie yet ?  or presumed likely to ever be asa such?  ..i thought seemed to match anyway,tho not even a common name whre im frmo. lol
03:33.17numbdewdArtemis3: hm.. sounds romanti,c, if only i understood more of what u were talkingabout even more so, i guess
03:33.19numbdewd:o
03:33.21LoggDebian releases are named after Toy Story characters
03:33.50numbdewdaha.. lotta characters to take from ?  hmm
03:33.59LoggYes. :)
03:34.00Artemis3numbdewd, geek wants to impress girl, he makes linux distro with half his name and half her name, to top it, the logo is a heart with two colors on each side, current logo is half ot that
03:34.01numbdewdhave we had Buzz Lightyear yet (or part of the name anyway)
03:34.13LoggWe have had a Debian Buzz, yes.
03:34.20LeelooMinaiHmm cannot find fastd in stretch repo - any recommendation on equivalent?
03:34.24numbdewdArtemis3: oo.. lol, nice..=D  lucky couple, unusual match it sounds:o)
03:34.26Artemis3numbdewd, said geek died, and said girl divorced him
03:34.29LoggI'm about to install Debian Potato on an old Pentium III from the same era
03:34.38numbdewdo_@.. :/
03:34.42Artemis3ok the divorce was first
03:34.53Artemis3but you get my meaning... its sad, tragic
03:35.21LoggThis channel is really for support, so try #debian-offtopic for non-support discussion...
03:35.36numbdewdlets pretend they dealt with their differences, got back together , didnt bother announcing it widely, .. lived happiily ever after..last seen on a sailboat said to head around the planet on some voyage,
03:36.06LeelooMinaiLogg: Was that about my question?
03:36.40Artemis3Logg, you can install the current in a PIII, i installed potato in a p100, which i happen to still have, i just haven't turned it on for a decade or so
03:36.47LoggLeelooMinai, that was in reference to all this talk about Ian and Debbie and the shape of the logo, which clutters the channel.
03:37.23LoggArtemis3, I know current release would work on a pentium iii, but I want to try a period appropriate release for fun. :-)
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03:38.32LeelooMinaiLogg: A, ok, I never know - #debian is so broad that not sure what goes and what not:)
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03:39.21LoggLeelooMinai, looks like fastd is in stretch to me https://packages.debian.org/stretch/net/fastd
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03:40.25LeelooMinaiEr...
03:40.37LeelooMinaiWait, I just searched for it...
03:40.55Loggmaybe it was added in the couple minutes since you searched. :)
03:40.56LeelooMinaiA, ok, fail - I meant fasd not fastd
03:41.46LeelooMinaiThe command lind cd and others  helper thing (never used it, but thought it may be nice)
03:42.12LoggNever heard of it. What's it do?
03:42.28numbdewdhttps://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages (big page!)
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03:42.50LeelooMinaiIt can fuzzy search for directory name fragments, etc. - like autojump + other utilities I guess
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03:42.58numbdewd(replace "allpackages" with packagename  for infoz^)
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03:43.34PhotonSmHoly shit how do I block pms in irssi, I keep getting more port
03:43.34alexlikerockmore porn to everu one :-)
03:43.38PhotonSmfuck you
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03:43.50Hoolootwousermod +R
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03:44.04LoggLeelooMinai: I like the package "command-not-found" to suggest packages to install if I don't have a binary I need. And I usually just use tab completion or page-up history completion for commands
03:44.08alexlikerockyes hooloo
03:44.13LeelooMinaiI always feel sad in the command line typing directory names I just typed 10 minutes ago - even with tab and ctrl-r etc. it feels annoying.
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03:44.18random_numbersThe hell is up with the spam.
03:44.30PhotonSmSomeone needs a hobby
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03:45.01alexlikerockyeah
03:45.02LeelooMinaiRight, I got those annoying children links too - they are working on it, and in the meantime +R is good as it block all msgs from unidentified nicks
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03:45.20PhotonSmLooked at one, regret it
03:45.23LeelooMinaiI mean children were naked, not annoying - the links were:)
03:45.28teskobrb
03:45.34PhotonSm:/
03:45.41raktajinoyikes
03:45.46dpyroty for +R
03:45.49PhotonSm^
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03:46.01dpyromanaged to avoid that kind of stuff so far until now
03:46.15PhotonSmSame
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03:47.19LeelooMinaiHmm, ok, command-not-found seems a good idea.
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03:47.59Loggyeah, command-not-found is great. It tells you if you need super user permission to run a command too, instead of implying that the package isn't installed.
03:48.24Artemis3just block pms
03:48.49PhotonSmBlocked pms, joins and parts too finally
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03:50.32LeelooMinaiInstalled it, but get "Could not find the database of available applications, run update-command-not-found as root to fix this". I did that, but still the same - weird.
03:50.57gert_I don't use IRC that often is /umode the fix?
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03:51.30LoggLeelooMinai, it'll work. maybe `apt-get update` and try again.
03:51.31LeelooMinai<PROTECTED>
03:51.34Namidairo/mode nickname +R
03:52.01alt0idNamidairo: thanks
03:52.02LeelooMinaiOk, now I have to ask...
03:52.22LeelooMinaiNamidairo: How did you type / there at first char - escaped it or something?
03:52.32Loggmaybe they used a 0 width space
03:52.35Namidairostart with double //
03:52.43Loggneat.
03:52.47LeelooMinaiOk, OCD here:)
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03:54.35DesertRockSo I’m running a RPi with raspbian. I have a wifi dongle that only works once and awhile. I’ve noticed that it might be correlated to the USB device number (correlation != causation, but I’m hopeful). How does debian find usb devices that are good canidates for a network interface
03:54.58Loggraspbian support is in #raspbian
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03:56.44ranixah it's mode +R to ignore messages from unauthenticated users on freenode
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03:56.57ranixfor anyone who was getting spammed and forgot how to block it
03:57.48Hydrastragetting spammed here as well
03:58.05ranixfor irssi you can ignore all direct communication with /ignore * DCC
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03:58.14b4bit’s prolly jims spam nbot doing it
03:58.17Hydrastrathnx
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03:58.47ranixhmm +R isn't stopping it though
03:59.09LeelooMinailol, got a dongle thing that pretends it's a monitor (has edid flash inside), so I can have Debian without monitor, but use it remotely at high res directly with x11vnc
03:59.11zerokelvinkeyboaNoob question, but how do you apply modes?
03:59.29zerokelvinkeyboaI keep getting spammed.
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03:59.35Logg/mode zerokelvinkeyboa +R
03:59.36ranix/mode <mode>
03:59.43b4bi want to get into tedious computer science but the iq requirements are 50-70
03:59.52random_numbersWhat does +R do?
03:59.55ranixsay ah I actually failed to apply +R because I used the wrong syntax and that's why it didn't work
03:59.58b4bmaybe if i drink tons of alcohol i can get in
03:59.58ranixthanks Logg
04:00.10ranixrandom_numbers: it prevents unregistered users from querying you
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04:00.20random_numbersranix: I see. Thanks
04:00.21LeelooMinaiAnd the dongle inside has like 30 resolutions up to 4K - every resolution one could have, but of course it does not have one for my monitor (2560x1080) - Murphy got me again.
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04:01.21ranixLeelooMinai: wow lame
04:01.50mnsranix: I get "Unkown mode character R"  when I do /mode +R
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04:02.15LoggLeelooMinai, I don't think you need a monitor attached to start a VNC session. VNC can start a new desktop instead of attaching to one that already exists.
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04:02.44Loggmns, it's "/mode mns +R"
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04:03.14LeelooMinaiRight, well, that's the first thing I did, but apparently it's not really the same - tried linuxcnc for example and it would not run because it needs real hardware for opengl or who knows what.
04:03.15mnsduh !
04:03.47LoggLeelooMinai, sounds great. lol
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04:03.55ranixLeelooMinai: linuxcnc needs real time linux, you can't use ex. SATA hard disks when you are using linuxcnc
04:04.10ranixI've set it up before, it's a sizeable pain in the ass
04:04.29ranixI think there are better implementations now for arduino or raspberry pi
04:04.49ranixmaybe it was IDE hard disks that you couldn't use
04:04.53ranixPATA
04:04.56LeelooMinaiSo x11vnc connected to :0.0 is actually working, but still - my realvnc client for example scrolls into virtual desktops if I move the cursor too close to the bottom - it's maddening.
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04:05.17LeelooMinaiLike it sees some scary dektop res with all virtual desktops stacked vertically:)
04:05.23ranixare you actually running a real time kernel
04:05.45LoggLeelooMinai, you need a client that will hide the buffer space
04:05.51LeelooMinairanix: Yes. I mean not on this debian (this is only for linuxcnc sim), but on other, yes.
04:05.55ranixah ok
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04:06.07ranixI was going to say the real time kernel can mess with graphics acceleration
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04:06.27LeelooMinaiI am almost tempted to buy some HDMI-switch and run the cable to my main monitor directly to get rid of all this madness.
04:07.16LeelooMinaiYesterday my keys would not repeat - there's always something:(
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04:07.47ranixhow come you have a vnc client connected directly to your primary x session
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04:08.00LeelooMinaiThrough x11vnc
04:08.10LeelooMinaiThat's what it can do.
04:08.22ranixis it just weird to be doing it locally
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04:08.51LeelooMinaiWhat do you mean "locally"?
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04:09.26LeelooMinaiI mean the PC is in my home, but in the basement - two floors down...
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04:09.42ranixI was assuming the significance of :0.0 was that you were connecting with a vnc client running on the pc running the x server, which would be weird for x11vnc
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04:10.15r_riosHello, all. I managed to successfully upgrade to Stretch (using Plasma), but enabling OpenGL compositing makes the screen freeze. Any ideas?
04:10.18LeelooMinaiNo, from Win 10 (ok, no I am burned here...:)
04:10.25ranixo ok
04:11.00LoggLeelooMinai, You can do hdmi over ethernet... might be more sane than a cable going 2 stories
04:11.18Loggdunno though, I never used it.
04:11.21ranixhow's the performance with x11vnc
04:11.41LeelooMinaiToo late - I already tore down the walls in the past and put 3 tubes for cables in there:)
04:11.50Logglol
04:11.52ranixI used to use xdmcp for a lot of stuff at work and the performance for video or graphical apps was poor
04:12.27LeelooMinaiSo now I have like 4 HDMI cables there, ethernet one, and lot's of USB ones and even air hose from my compressor in the basement is there...
04:13.02Logghonestly a smart idea to have pipes in the walls. I'll probably do that too.
04:13.30LeelooMinaiWell, it's great once you have it - zero noise from computers, no problems with heat also.
04:13.42ranixit's kind of stupid not to have if you think about it
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04:14.15ranixwe should have a better system for romex installation that allows for rerunning wire without tearing walls down too
04:14.16LeelooMinaiAll new houses should have fiber in the walls if it was me:)
04:15.26LeelooMinairanix: Well, I did not reall tear down whole walls - I did holes in strategic locations and patched them later, but still - was a PITA.
04:16.07ranixidk why the walls have to be flat
04:16.14LeelooMinailol
04:16.22ranixI think it would be cooler if there were service doors like for the breaker box
04:16.29Logg#debian-offtopic. :) but yeh agreed
04:16.34ranixoh yeah, sorry
04:16.55LeelooMinaiWas kind of on topic, but escallated - as always.
04:17.29LoggI think wall access panels are only very loosely related to the topic of debian support lol. :P
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04:17.51LeelooMinaiThey can be to have access to debian:)
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04:18.40Shadur... Is there a way to disable receiving /msg from non-registered nicks? I'm getting spammed with crappy porn urls by randoms.
04:18.50LeelooMinai/mode +R nick
04:19.17maxcell_Can i have an opinion on this log? https://paste.debian.net/981461/ - *I'm not using Debian right now*
04:19.19LoggI think it'd be "/mode Shadur +R"
04:19.30ShadurThanks.
04:20.03LeelooMinaiRight
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04:20.40jmcnaughtmaxcell_: if this log isn't from Debian you should ask in the channel for your distro, or ##linux which I see you have already done
04:20.56maxcell_jmcnaught, yep
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04:21.33maxcell_jmcnaught, i have this messages every distros thats why i asked here
04:21.37jmcnaughtwith irssi you can do '/umode +R', also +g is caller-id which blocks even registered users until you /accept them
04:21.51maxcell_dont bother the help its ok
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04:24.21Blendify_i5Hi I am having an issue libssl1.0.0  in seems that it cannot find the package
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04:25.24LoggBlendify_i5, try https://packages.debian.org/stretch/libssl1.1
04:25.40jmcnaught,v libssl1.0.2
04:25.41juddPackage: libssl1.0.2 on amd64 -- sid: 1.0.2l-2; buster: 1.0.2l-2; stretch: 1.0.2l-2
04:26.15Blendify_i5Logg, already installed
04:26.30jmcnaughtthat's going to be closer, but if it's some third party package that hasn't been updated for stretch yet, you could either run it in jessie, or install the libssl1.0.0 package from jessie
04:28.11Blendify_i5jmcnaught, how would I go about that?
04:28.46jmcnaught!jessie sources.list
04:28.47dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
04:28.52raunogabrielc: `Kevin found with tcpdump -nn -v -i eno1 -s 1500 -c 1 '(ether[12:2]=0x88cc or ether[20:2]=0x2000)'
04:29.05raunothat i indeed have a 1043 vlan existing on switch
04:29.42jmcnaughtBlendify_i5: you woudl add at least the first two deb lines from above. Note that it's somewhat okay to add repos for an *older* release, if you add repos for a newer release you will mess your system up
04:30.12Blendify_i5ok
04:30.13jmcnaughtBlendify_i5: also note that any jessie packages you have installed will stop getting security updates sooner than the stretch packages will
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04:30.47Rusty1_!ops a bit of trouble with spamming pm's , perhaps take it up with freenode
04:30.47dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: rusty1_ complains about: a bit of trouble with spamming pm's , perhaps take it up with freenode
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04:34.06HotSwapRusty1_ freenode knows. set /mode Rusty1_ +R
04:34.31HotSwapthats about all the advice freenode has
04:35.01Rusty1_thx HotSwap
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04:37.10Blendify_i5jmcnaught, it did not seem to work
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22:42.30aloo_shuthen, ryancz, type 'pkexec' and press the 'Tab' button twice. Is there an item called 'pkexec-synaptuc'? ryancz
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22:43.12aloo_shusynaptic, typo
22:43.25ryanzcjust pkexec right?
22:43.59ryanzcit lists commands, doesnt show any files
22:44.23aloo_shuyou just type 'pkexec', and when you pres the tab button twice, it should show the possible completions.
22:44.39ryanzcpkexec --version |
22:44.39ryanzc<PROTECTED>
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22:44.40ryanzc<PROTECTED>
22:44.40ryanzcSee the pkexec manual page for more details.
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22:44.51aloo_shuyes, ryancz, exactly, it lists commands. Is 'pkexec-synaptic' one of them?
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22:45.33ryanzcoopsies
22:45.56ryanzcwell, at any rate, no i dont see the synaptic option
22:46.11aloo_shuryancz, pkexec, not return, just tab 2x to see possibilities
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22:46.44ryanzcwhoah, there we go, let me look here
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22:47.02ryanzcno, synaptic isnt listed
22:47.24aloo_shuryancz, but do not post more than 1,2 lines here. that kicked you out... :)
22:47.31ryanzcI know lol
22:47.49ryanzcoh wait there is a more button
22:48.09ryanzcnope, not there
22:48.41aloo_shuryancz, more simple. type 'pkexec-synaptic &' and return, what happens?
22:49.15ryanzcampersand included?
22:49.52aloo_shuyes
22:50.02ryanzccommand not found
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22:50.48aloo_shuok, fine, ryancz. then just try 'sudo synaptic &'
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22:51.42ryanzcit says [2] 19226
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22:51.53MurdaHow can I disable wlan0 interface so it wont come up on boot
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22:54.59aloo_shuryancz, weird, if somebody else wants to take over.. but try this now: whereis synaptic
22:55.52aloo_shuryancz I would expect /usr/bin/synaptic or similar as an answer
22:56.13ryanzcit comes up in several places
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22:56.43aloo_shuis /usr/bin/synaptic one of them?
22:56.59ryanzcnope
22:57.07ryanzci see /usr/sbin
22:57.38ryanzc(/usr/sbin/synaptic)
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22:57.59aloo_shuok, then, ryancz : 'sudo /usr/sbin/synaptic' .
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22:59.11ryanzcno protocol specified, unable to init server, could not connect, connection refused
22:59.20ryanzcand then that gtk warning again
22:59.47ryanzccannot open display
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23:02.13aloo_shuryancz, just one more try, 'whereis pkexec-synaptic' spell it exact
23:02.54ryanzcpkexec-synaptic:
23:03.01ryanzcthats all it says
23:03.04SuperTramp83ryanzc, do you have policykit-1-gnome installed?
23:03.31aloo_shuryancz, follow him
23:03.45aloo_shuor her
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23:04.08SuperTramp83I'm a genderless cat :)
23:04.15ryanzclol
23:04.20ryanzcyes i have it installed
23:04.51SuperTramp83hmm, I know on another distro I had to install that to make it work ..
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23:05.56SuperTramp83ryanzc, it works fine if you launch it from terminal?
23:06.29ryanzcnormally i just open it from the icon, but it wont open via that or the terminal
23:07.40aloo_shu(that would be sudo apt-get install policykit-1-gnome I assume. worth a try, no?)
23:08.04SuperTramp83yeah, and also log out and back in or reboot
23:08.07SuperTramp83maybe reinstall it
23:08.19SuperTramp83sudo apt install policyblabla --reinstall
23:08.34ryanzcreinstall that package
23:08.42aloo_shuapt-get ..
23:09.08SuperTramp83aloo_shu, you need to update thyself  :P
23:09.42SuperTramp83only apt now \o/
23:10.24ryanzcdid the reinstall
23:10.27aloo_shudpkg -P aloo_shu
23:10.31ryanzcbut it did not help
23:10.46SuperTramp83did you reboot or log out and back?
23:11.00ryanzcill try brb
23:11.29SuperTramp83aloo_shu, hehe
23:12.04aloo_shunot installed. you cann install it by typing...
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23:13.20ryanzcnope didnt work after reboot
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23:19.02ryanzcim going to come back here later and try again
23:20.19aloo_shuryanz you said you reinstalled all packages. I do not know how you did, but maybe that was it. and  but there is one more
23:20.29aloo_shuoption
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23:20.53aloo_shupress ctrl-alt F!
23:21.07aloo_shuryancz press ctrl-alt F1
23:21.38aloo_shulog in as root
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23:23.22aloo_shuand you have a full desktop session as root. synaptic might start then, but something else still seems to be wrong
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23:52.39HeXiLeDdebian 9 The following packages have unmet dependencies: https://bpaste.net/show/24168b7a8b96 any suggestions ?
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23:54.41foxpupHeXiLeD, maybe resolve it with links?
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23:55.51aloo_shuHeXiLeD the key is possibly: you have held broken packages.
23:56.07HeXiLeDlinks the package ? or links to sources ?
23:56.30HeXiLeDaloo_shu: possibly but apt check says nothing about it
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23:56.56foxpupyou google if you can find other versions, maybe even in arch
23:57.22foxpupthen you try if you can use then instead bij remaning or linking
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23:57.32foxpupjust an idea
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23:58.05foxpup*renaming*
23:58.21aloo_shuHeXiLeD I'm by no means a nerd, I would know how to locate broken packages from synaptic.
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23:59.22aloo_shuI do not know how apt check works, and being on a tablet, I cannot check by man now. But starting with man

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