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| 00:12.15 | viscera | mekeor: I noticed on Arch Linux that I had to do "systemctl stop gdm; systemctl stop session-c1.scope; systemctl start gdm" |
| 00:12.25 | viscera | mekeor: where session-c1.scope is the gdm scope |
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| 00:14.05 | missmbob | mekeor: it's probably gdm3, not gdm |
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| 00:54.07 | pr0t | what is the best way to add new packages to an aptly repository |
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| 02:58.31 | pr0t | Hi. I created my own repo with aptly, added it to my sources, did a apt-get update. and I see the packages in /var/lib/apt/lists/ but if I do an apt-cache search I donât see them anyone know what could be wrong? |
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| 13:52.58 | petn-randall | FinalX: Well, they need something to assure uptime on their azure cloud, don't they? |
| 13:53.16 | FinalX | sure, but out of all cloud providers.. them :) I do know they have their own Debian-based thing going, but still |
| 13:53.22 | syco_ | doesn't cost them a lot |
| 13:53.30 | FinalX | yeah, I guess not |
| 13:54.30 | petn-randall | It's hardly any cost to maintain once set up, and it's always free publicity when you get to mention it. |
| 13:54.40 | syco_ | yep |
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| 13:55.25 | petn-randall | Where do you see MS mirrors, btw? |
| 13:55.31 | FinalX | all the cloudapp.net ones |
| 13:55.41 | FinalX | that's Microsoft's Azure |
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| 13:56.57 | FinalX | and sure, it's easy to set up and maintain, but it just seems a bit overkill to have 8 mirrors per region |
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| 13:57.10 | FinalX | I guess with strategically placing them throughout your infra, but still |
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| 13:57.39 | cwood | If not Thunderbird (or mutt), which html-displaying mail client from the Debian archive would you use? |
| 13:58.11 | FinalX | a webmail client like Roundcube, probably |
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| 14:00.25 | petn-randall | cwood: What's wrong with Thunderbird? |
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| 14:03.29 | cwood | Nothing is actually wrong with it, I prefer mutt anyway but work sends html email, I'd like a backup mail client Just In Case. |
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| 14:04.25 | AndreeeCZ | hi! Is there a package that installs some simple DE, without the bloat? FOr example lxde pulls in firefox, deluge, themes etc and i don't have space for this |
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| 14:08.15 | petn-randall | cwood: There's a few other clients, but I'm guessing mutt is mostly used by greybeards, and Thunderbird by anyone else. Guessing they have > 90% market share among Debian users. |
| 14:08.26 | somiaj | AndreeeCZ: a DE by definition is going to contain all sorts of software. You can look for some smaller packages, such as lxde-core might not install as much stuff, but it could still be a lot. Additinally you could install one of many window managers debian has, then just install only the software you wanta fter that. More work to configure than a DE though, but way smaller. |
| 14:08.45 | somiaj | isn't evolution in debian still? |
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| 14:09.40 | somiaj | cwood: there is also evolution. Though mostly cause my work uses google apps, I find web based email more useful than a client. |
| 14:09.55 | cwood | There's a point, should have thought of Evolution. |
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| 14:11.23 | cwood | AndreeeCZ, I get a lot out of OpenBox in the minimalistic way you seem to like. |
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| 14:20.18 | max3 | can someone help me? i'm getting only mono through my headphones http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=373d259cc79c12f0be18ae8a61613ca3c71af571 |
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| 14:27.00 | AndreeeCZ | somiaj, cwood thank you |
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| 14:30.20 | ForceRecon | This application any desk really works well for anyone that wants to do remote desktop visually from a windows platform to a Linux one. Much faster and responsive then team viewer or x11vnc / tigervnc |
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| 14:46.00 | donofrio | anyone working on an vmware airwatch mdm agent for linux yet? |
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| 14:59.52 | boxrick1 | Hello! |
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| 15:00.23 | boxrick1 | I am setting up an MTA with EXIM4 so I can use mail. However I don't want all the system crud going to the root account of that domain |
| 15:00.33 | boxrick1 | Is there a way of making it so the system does not mail it out? |
| 15:01.18 | somiaj | all of what system crap? I don't get that many system emails on my systems, and am glad for the ones I do get. |
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| 15:01.50 | boxrick1 | Basically I dont want anything going to the root account ( since it isn't my mailbox ) |
| 15:02.02 | jelly | boxrick1: make an alias, "root: someuser", put it in /etc/aliases, run "newaliases" |
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| 15:02.55 | boxrick1 | I assume the alias needs to be before all the other ones? |
| 15:03.04 | jelly | order does not matter there |
| 15:03.28 | boxrick1 | So if a load of other items are aliased to root, will all those end up at someuser ? |
| 15:03.36 | boxrick1 | someuser@domain..... |
| 15:03.39 | jelly | yes |
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| 15:03.58 | greycat | aliases are (typically) compiled into a binary database format of some kind, often Berkeley DB based |
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| 15:04.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hi. Systemd seems to ignore Alt+Up (which should invoke kbrequest.target) in stretch at least. Any idea why? |
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| 15:07.17 | boxrick1 | Lovely cheers for that |
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| 15:12.50 | boxrick1 | Would something like root:blackhole: work? |
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| 15:13.45 | greycat | "root: blackhole" would redirect to the user named blackhole. If the delivery instructions for THAT user drop mail into /dev/null then that would "work". |
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| 15:13.49 | greycat | For really bad definitions of "work". |
| 15:14.28 | greycat | Putting a second : in the line would not be an experiment I'd care to try. |
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| 15:15.23 | boxrick1 | https://www.electrictoolbox.com/exim4-discard-mail-blackhole/ <-- mentions the :blackhole: |
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| 15:17.46 | sussudio | well, the pentium 3 i was using as a router pc for the last 10+ years finally bit the dust. finding a pci nic that didn't cause a kernel panic wasn't a fun adventure... |
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| 15:18.14 | sussudio | 3com is one of the only relatively stable drivers, it seems. |
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| 15:20.04 | ksk | doing a fresh debian install for quite a while; "Configuring fontconfig-config: Select 'None' if you want blurry text" nice :D |
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| 15:21.05 | greycat | boxrick1: You didn't even copy it correctly from that web page. It's not "root:blackhole:". Read it again. And apparently this is an exim specific feature. |
| 15:21.19 | greycat | Sendmail and qmail/fastforward only support :include: |
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| 15:25.06 | boxrick1 | I didn't paste it here right, but I did on the server i WAS PLAYING WITH |
| 15:25.13 | boxrick1 | Oops |
| 15:25.16 | boxrick1 | see I cant type |
| 15:25.31 | boxrick1 | root: :blackhole: is what I meant :) |
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| 15:32.38 | ingeniusds | I can't run the Cd command. |
| 15:32.51 | ingeniusds | Help me someone |
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| 15:34.15 | BluesKaj | ingeniusds, maybe you cd path is incorrect? |
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| 15:34.22 | BluesKaj | your |
| 15:34.34 | sussudio | it's lowercase cd |
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| 15:36.01 | ingeniusds | bash: cd: downloads: No such file or directory |
| 15:36.21 | ingeniusds | I got this when I type cd downloads. |
| 15:36.31 | FreddyP | cd Downloads |
| 15:36.48 | greycat | or if you're not in home directory currently, cd ~/Downloads |
| 15:36.59 | BluesKaj | cd ~/Downloads |
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| 15:38.06 | BluesKaj | ingeniusds, or /home/yourusername/Downloads |
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| 15:39.24 | ingeniusds | Thanks, Uppercase and Lowercase letters helped me. |
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| 15:39.55 | FreddyP | yes get case sensitive :) |
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| 15:43.11 | jhutchins | boxrick1: I would strongly suggest you not blackhole root email. As greycat said, it's not much on a healthy system, and when there is something you should know about it. |
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| 15:45.33 | miroesq | i have two lans; ethernet and wifi. I have my router set to assign different DNS servers depending on your IP address (all IPs are on the same subnet). How do I get the different lan cards to use their respective DNS servers which are assigned by my router? |
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| 15:49.38 | BluesKaj | miroesq, in /etc/network/interfaces on each pc |
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| 15:50.49 | miroesq | BluesKaj: Do I have to make all info static such as IP address and gateway or can I just assign static dns to each card and leave everything else as dynamic? |
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| 15:54.31 | BluesKaj | miroesq, good question, I use static on ethernet connections and no netwok interface changes on laptops that use wifi |
| 15:56.00 | BluesKaj | miroesq, mucking about with wifi without network manager is too complicted |
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| 15:57.23 | miroesq | BluesKaj: I am a bit confused, but will try it out. I think I can get around it if I use dnat, but didn't have luck earlier. I will reserach dnat some more. thanks |
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| 15:58.42 | BluesKaj | miroesq, if you kow how to deal with dnat then perhaps my advice doesn't mean much :-) |
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| 15:59.01 | miroesq | BluesKaj: No idea, am just trying :) |
| 15:59.30 | miroesq | and thanks for th advice as all advice is welcome :) |
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| 16:17.44 | miroesq | My machine has 2 nic cards which are given different DNS servers by my router. Problem is that my machine is using the last given set of DNS servers and suing them for both nic cards. Is there a way to setup each nic card to use the specific DNS servers it is given? |
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| 16:19.37 | greycat | nameservers are in /etc/resolv.conf which is global to the entire system, not "per NIC" |
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| 16:20.19 | greycat | glibc's resolver doesn't allow you to specify alternative resolv.conf locations or alternative nameservers per process, either. You'll need a chroot, or a container, or a VM. |
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| 16:27.05 | qtch | greycat, as an offtopic - I'm wondering how it's resolved under windows - you can set distinct DNS for each NIC |
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| 16:29.53 | petn-randall | miroesq: You could achieve "split DNS" by configuring your own DNS server locally, but that's quite complicated. What setup do you have that you need it? |
| 16:30.07 | petn-randall | !goal |
| 16:30.07 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
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| 16:33.33 | miroesq | petn-randall: I don't want to create my own server. I have a voip switch which I want to use one lan which uses my router as it's dns server so it can properly route calls based on domains with internal IP addresses and the rest of the machine, I want to use the 2nd lan which is pretty much open to the internet. so what i would liek to do is force each lan to use the specific ip addresses assigned to it or use dnat to assign private |
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| 16:33.51 | miroesq | unfortunately, what i was doing earlier did not work. |
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| 16:47.21 | miroesq | petn-randall: My goal is to use DNAT so when I ping "domain.com" to get a return reply from my local server at 192.168.0.1 |
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| 16:50.58 | petn-randall | miroesq: Why don't you use a single DNS server that just returns 192.168.0.1 for "domain.com"? You haven't explained the need for your current setup yet. |
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| 16:53.09 | noqnio1 | I have a device with RTL-1185 chipset and some preinstalled "avhdd jupiter" kernel. How hard could it be to run debian on it? |
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| 16:53.38 | noqnio1 | It is MIPS, little endian |
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| 16:55.50 | miroesq | petn-randall: My mikrotik router does that when it is setup as the DNS server, but I can not use it for both NICs as one NIC uses a VPN and must use the VPN's own DNS server. So I would like to either force each NIC to use specific DNS servers or use DNAT to assign private network addresses to domain names, but so far "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 1.server.com -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.1" |
| 16:56.09 | miroesq | does not work, even if I try OUTPUT instead of PREROUTING |
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| 16:58.40 | petn-randall | miroesq: Your approach doesn't make sense, a DNS server can't decide which upstream DNS server to pick "based on NIC". How would that even work? |
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| 16:59.39 | miroesq | petn-randall: so how can I use DNAT to forward outgoing traffic from the server to 1.server.com to a local IP address 192.168.0.1? |
| 17:00.29 | petn-randall | miroesq: Ok, I have a DNS query, "foobaz.com". How would the DNS server know which NIC a connection to "foobaz.com" would leave? |
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| 17:03.51 | miroesq | petn-randall: ok, before the query even gets to the DNS server, can I route all traffic to "foobaz.com" to 192.168.0.1? |
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| 17:14.42 | FreddyP | miroesq: you could setup an entry in /etc/hosts to resolve all traffic to that ip |
| 17:15.15 | jolt | Andi btkHype btkHype |
| 17:15.26 | jolt | sorry, wrong channel again :/ |
| 17:15.46 | FreddyP | my names freddy and i am an .. oops wrong meeting |
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| 17:16.46 | petn-randall | miroesq: Unless you magically know how the DNS record resolves to, *BEFORE* actually querying it, then yes. But then I'd buy lottery tickets instead of fiddling with computers. :) |
| 17:17.05 | miroesq | FreddyP: Perfect, that is exactly what I wanted to do. I knew how to do it in windows, but not in Linux. Thank you so much. |
| 17:17.08 | kallenp | Hi all. I have a three servers. server-storage, server-node1 and server-node2. On server-storage I have /mnt/disk-data and now I need to distribute this mount point do node1 and node2 as distributed file system. Please, can any one help me and say me, what I am need to find and what can be the "best solution" ? I need to find alternative to Microsoft DFS for my Samba share. Thanks, Petr |
| 17:17.45 | miroesq | petn-randall: FreddyP told me exactly what I need to do. It is extremely simple. |
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| 17:18.04 | miroesq | setup an entry in /etc/hosts |
| 17:18.11 | petn-randall | miroesq: Then you had a misleading description of your problem. |
| 17:18.45 | r00t-err0r | kallenp you can also run samba on linux too :D |
| 17:18.45 | miroesq | petn-randall: all i said is that I want to route traffic to a server to an internal IP address. |
| 17:18.50 | petn-randall | miroesq: And you'd still have to manually maintain that list on every server. And you specifically asked how to configure split DNS. |
| 17:19.05 | petn-randall | miroesq: You didn't? |
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| 17:19.42 | kallenp | r00t-err0r: I am need DFS alternative |
| 17:19.48 | petn-randall | miroesq: "So I would like to either force each NIC to use specific DNS servers" <-- quoting you |
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| 17:20.22 | petn-randall | miroesq: Which is why I was pushing you to explain your problem, not what you think the goal is. |
| 17:20.38 | petn-randall | s/goal/solution/ |
| 17:21.10 | miroesq | petn-randall: quote "<miroesq> petn-randall: My goal is to use DNAT so when I ping "domain.com" to get a return reply from my local server at 192.168.0.1 |
| 17:21.13 | r00t-err0r | kallenp try glusterfs :D |
| 17:21.23 | miroesq | that didn't describe what I wanted to do? |
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| 17:23.10 | tw | miroesq: what you've described is not something that should be solved with DNAT; in fact, I'm not sure it *can* be resolved with DNAT alone. |
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| 17:23.54 | greycat | echo "192.168.0.1 domain.com" >> /etc/hosts |
| 17:23.57 | petn-randall | miroesq: "my goal is to use DNAT" <-- that is a solution to some mysterious problem you still haven't to us about. |
| 17:24.02 | miroesq | tw: sure, but it was solved with editing the hosts file. all i wanted to do is ping a domain and have that forwarded to a local ip address |
| 17:24.23 | tw | Oh, good. Glad you found a solution. |
| 17:24.34 | greycat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 17:24.47 | petn-randall | miroesq: Especially since it wasn't "domain.com", but "20.domain.com" and "1.domain.com" in the other example. |
| 17:24.52 | miroesq | petn-randall: I thought dnat was the way to go when you told me to look it up, I read that it takes care of routing, pre post and output. so that's the trcak I went on |
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| 17:40.18 | dontknow | test |
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| 17:43.21 | tomnor | computer at sleep, u2 logs in, u2 logs out, u1 logs in and computer goes to sleep first thing |
| 17:43.47 | tomnor | Then I need to wave the mouse to wake it up again |
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| 17:45.06 | tomnor | any package to update or configure? |
| 17:45.06 | tomnor | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.15 | tomnor | Linux debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.68-1+deb7u1 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:45.15 | tomnor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:47.33 | petn-randall | tomnor: What happens if you boot and u1 logs in? Normal DE or does it also go to sleep? |
| 17:47.39 | ebol4 | i'd fall asleep too if i had to interact with u2 |
| 17:47.54 | tomnor | :) |
| 17:47.54 | toruvinn | badum tss |
| 17:47.55 | ebol4 | u ever hear the joshua tree |
| 17:48.14 | tomnor | petn-randall: normal log on for u1 after boot |
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| 17:48.36 | tomnor | petn-randall: it happens when u1 was at sleep so to say, and then u2 logs in |
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| 17:50.33 | petn-randall | tomnor: Is it only the screenlock? Or does the device really suspend? |
| 17:50.48 | petn-randall | on login, that is |
| 17:50.55 | tomnor | petn-randall: device suspend really |
| 17:51.08 | petn-randall | Hmm, no idea then. |
| 17:51.20 | tomnor | me too |
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| 17:51.45 | tomnor | petn-randall: I asked on the debian user list, there was nada response |
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| 17:56.07 | ebol4 | tomnor: is this like a fresh install? maybe the user with the suspend problem has some program set to run on log in |
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| 17:56.46 | NapoleonWils0n | hi all |
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| 17:57.01 | ebol4 | howdy |
| 17:57.36 | NapoleonWils0n | im using freebsd as my 2nd os, just wondering about if debian like zfs usb drives or not |
| 17:58.27 | jhutchins | !zfs |
| 17:58.27 | dpkg | ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (http://deb.li/7xXU). The Debian GNU/kFreeBSD kernel since 7.2 has ZFS support, the userland utilities are packaged as zfsutils. Native Linux support from zfsonlinux.org, #zfsonlinux channel on freenode, is included in Debian starting with <stretch> and <jessie-backports> with some caveats due to license conflicts. |
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| 18:00.27 | NapoleonWils0n | cheers just need to look into zfsutils then |
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| 18:02.22 | NapoleonWils0n | been intersting comparing linux and freebsd |
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| 18:04.00 | thurstylark | how do I find what package provides a file? |
| 18:04.15 | mutante | thurstylark: there is "apt-file" |
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| 18:04.34 | greycat | if you have it installed, dpkg -S. If not, /msg judd file filename |
| 18:04.37 | mutante | thurstylark: but you have to install it as a package |
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| 18:06.02 | thurstylark | ahh cool. apt-file does what I need. Thanks! |
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| 18:09.08 | tomnor | ebol4: not a fresh install and no program I am aware of |
| 18:09.37 | tomnor | ebol4: might be something with the power things I made long time ago, not sure |
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| 18:10.22 | GNU\colossus | I'm trying to take a backup of a mint condition video DVD mastered in 2013 that gives read block-level errors when I try to read the VOB files in its filesystem. does anyone have advice on how to handle this kind of (I suppose) copy protection? |
| 18:10.49 | tomnor | ebol4: also, not sure it is a u1 problem, this is just the usage pattern |
| 18:11.08 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 18:11.10 | tomnor | u1 is the main user |
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| 18:12.06 | BillKGR | GNU\colossus, maybe hdparm could remove the right protection, but I haven't tried it on a DVD drive before |
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| 18:12.15 | BillKGR | GNU\colossus, write protection * |
| 18:12.31 | jhutchins | GNU\colossus: I usually use DD to make an image copy. iso9660 & friends are not block devices. There are tools to extract the files from a disc image if you really need that. |
| 18:12.35 | GNU\colossus | there's no write protection involved I think |
| 18:12.57 | GNU\colossus | jhutchins, yeah, dd fails on me due to the bad sectors. I'm trying to get around the problem via ddrescue right now |
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| 18:13.18 | Azrael_- | i have added the jessie-backport repository. how does apt decide wether an update of the bpo should be applied when running "apt-get upgrade" or when to use only updates from the normal repo? |
| 18:13.22 | NapoleonWils0n | you meaning ripping a dvd |
| 18:13.37 | NapoleonWils0n | i think handbrake can do the job |
| 18:13.41 | greycat | Azrael_-: as the instructions say, you have to specify -t jessie-backports to force it to be used |
| 18:14.34 | Azrael_- | ok, occasionally my apt-get also offers me the backport-updates as regular updates although i never specify "-t jessie backports". how could this happen, how can i analyze this further? |
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| 18:16.28 | jhutchins | GNU\colossus: Drive failure is more likely than disc failure, unless it's really dirty or scratched. iso images don't fail. |
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| 18:16.57 | GNU\colossus | jhutchins, I'm 99% certain that the bad blocks are there intentionally, due to a copy protection scheme |
| 18:17.13 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: If you have backports installed, and they pulled other packages from backports as dependencies, I think this is what you'll see. |
| 18:17.16 | GNU\colossus | (I have two more drives to try this with, and will do that just now) |
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| 18:17.36 | jhutchins | GNU\colossus: Ah, that's possible too. |
| 18:17.46 | koollman | GNU\colossus: it happens. I remember various disks ... some drives had a support for a 'raw' read mode to bypass such system. some software was also able to read just what it needed |
| 18:18.19 | koollman | GNU\colossus: then for some, there were 'hardware bypass'. like damaging/masking just the right bit of track so the error code is read differently |
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| 18:18.35 | koollman | but... that was a long time ago. optical supports are still a thing ? :) |
| 18:19.01 | Azrael_- | jhutchins: with "apt-cache policy <package>" i can see the currently installed packages are from the normal repos, not from bpo, so i assume the updates should also be only applied from the normal repo and not bpo, or do i miss something? |
| 18:19.10 | GNU\colossus | yeah, I remember the days of laserlok and friends, too :) I just never knew that that kind of thing existed for friggin video DVDs, too |
| 18:19.37 | GNU\colossus | I don't have a DVD player appliance, and as things stand, I won't be able to watch the series I just bought for no less than 280 Euro if I can't get this sorted out |
| 18:19.39 | koollman | GNU\colossus: well ... they did reuse similar protections |
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| 18:21.26 | NapoleonWils0n | have you installed libdvdcss, then you can use handbrake to rip the dvd |
| 18:21.49 | ForceRecon | GNU\colossus, is it normal that you specify Euro |
| 18:21.54 | ForceRecon | just curious.. |
| 18:21.59 | ForceRecon | makes a point |
| 18:22.07 | GNU\colossus | ForceRecon, I'm from the EU, so I guess so :) |
| 18:23.00 | GNU\colossus | the other drive exhibits the same problem with two of these brand-new DVDs *sigh* |
| 18:23.12 | GNU\colossus | this is going to be less fun that I had anticipated |
| 18:23.35 | NapoleonWils0n | so the drives dont recognise the dvds because of the copy protection, lame |
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| 18:23.53 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: It doesn't sound normal, unless an update to a packported package now requires updated dependencies, but you need someone who understands apt better than I do. |
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| 18:24.21 | Azrael_- | jhutchins: thanks anyway for the feedback |
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| 18:28.18 | shawn1 | is a frozen release essentially a RC? |
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| 18:28.58 | shawn1 | I hear talk about RC bugs in reference to the freeze |
| 18:29.08 | shawn1 | does that mean the freeze = RC? |
| 18:30.22 | greycat | Release Critical |
| 18:30.31 | shawn1 | release candidate |
| 18:30.48 | greycat | In this context, we're talking about Release Critical bugs. These are bugs that need to be fixed before a release can occur. |
| 18:30.53 | shawn1 | ok |
| 18:30.57 | shawn1 | ty |
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| 18:31.11 | uniTosch | freeze means the normal package transition from unstable to testing is turned off and maintainers work on getting the bugs out of the packages. an RC or release critical bug is a bug that prevents the frozen testing branch from being released. |
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| 18:36.46 | Cr4zko | Hey |
| 18:36.54 | Cr4zko | This shouldn't be on the mulan movie? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMrwTqLtGSc&feature=youtu.be |
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| 18:40.04 | shawn1 | uniTosch: greycat: I was asking because I found videos on youtube were people claim to be reviewing "Debian Stretch RC1" , and I know they're confused because the installer was RC1, but it's hard to explain. |
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| 18:40.21 | shawn1 | but meh I'll just let them be confused I suppose |
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| 18:41.09 | jhutchins | shawn1: We're pretty close, they're signing off on the release notes. |
| 18:41.09 | greycat | Yeah, it's ambiguous. It can mean "Release Candidate" (rc1) or "Release Critical (bug)" |
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| 18:41.46 | shawn1 | jhutchins: yay thats good news! |
| 18:42.14 | greycat | "Stretch installer RC1" and so on are Release Candidate versions of the *installer*, not of the whole Debian system. |
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| 18:42.39 | jhutchins | Hmn. |
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| 18:43.06 | jhutchins | I have to build a new server to go from 32 to 64, I might as welll plan on building Stretch. |
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| 18:52.10 | ForceRecon | jhutchins, yup |
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| 18:57.29 | ForceRecon | https://vimeo.com/215887225 |
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| 18:58.32 | ForceRecon | sorry about me opening a diet coke.. |
| 18:58.40 | ForceRecon | I was thursty |
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| 19:13.25 | chaosfisch | Right channel for network questions? |
| 19:13.59 | ForceRecon | why not |
| 19:14.16 | ForceRecon | give it a go. if someone knows, well.. we will let you know |
| 19:14.18 | ForceRecon | :D |
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| 19:14.53 | ForceRecon | dealing with IP tables atm.. tiring.. but worth a listen |
| 19:15.04 | ForceRecon | what a mosh |
| 19:15.34 | missmbob | chaosfisch: there's ##networking |
| 19:15.41 | chaosfisch | missmbob: ok! |
| 19:16.06 | greycat | If it's actually an iptables/netfilter question, #netfilter |
| 19:16.31 | greycat | But you can always *start* here, and we'll direct you if it's too specialized. |
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| 19:19.16 | chaosfisch | Let's give it a try: Two physical interfaces ("internal", "external" - both with access to internet), a virtual bridge. Traffic from this bridge should always be routed through "external", but takes default route via "internal". How do I do that, firewall rules? |
| 19:20.15 | ForceRecon | wow |
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| 19:21.25 | ForceRecon | Bridge-group --- Groups the physical interfaces into one logical group |
| 19:21.25 | ForceRecon | Interface BVI --- Layer-3 routable logical interface |
| 19:21.58 | ForceRecon | whew... read.. sad but true.. maybe key words there for you |
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| 19:22.40 | ForceRecon | what is your requirement? |
| 19:22.43 | ForceRecon | why? |
| 19:23.43 | chaosfisch | ForceRecon: having a bridge e.g. "br0", and all traffic for example of virtual machines should go through "external", but not "internal" interface. |
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| 19:23.53 | ForceRecon | oh.. greycat is here.. I am stupid and I do not have the lingo to talk with people since I have no clue what I am talking about.. I bow to the bosses.. with respect of course.. :) no seriously.. this is linux.. let them hold the reins..they really REALLY know what they are doing |
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| 19:24.33 | greycat | I do not know networking at this level of complexity, so I won't be able to help much. |
| 19:24.35 | ForceRecon | chaosfisch, I hear ya.. but these guys are really good |
| 19:25.19 | ForceRecon | I just study 12 hours a day.. keep my mouth shut and answer what I can.. But these guys are in the goop.. |
| 19:25.26 | ForceRecon | sorry I interfered |
| 19:26.16 | n4dir | there is #debian-offtopic (or similar) to get stress from your chest. Well: that's what i have heard. |
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| 19:26.58 | chaosfisch | greycat: to be fair, this question is one that (at least for me) gives me very bad search results :) I'll have a look at ##networking. |
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| 19:28.00 | jolt | chaosfisch: I think it has more to do with routing to be honest. When you have multiple interfaces one of them will be default |
| 19:28.20 | chaosfisch | jolt: yes and that is "and must be" the "internal" one. |
| 19:28.31 | jolt | chaosfisch: so you need to look at policy based routing. Create a new route table for the second interface and say that if traffic goes to x over that link, then it should take the Y route |
| 19:28.38 | jolt | Ill see if I can dig something up for you |
| 19:28.50 | chaosfisch | jolt: but that's exactly existing already. |
| 19:29.40 | chaosfisch | i.e.: 2nd table placed inside /etc/iproute2/rt_tables, ip rules setup to make a lookup in this second table for certain ip address. |
| 19:30.07 | jolt | chaosfisch: right. Then maybe there is some iptables setup in the prerouting table that does something it shouldn't? |
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| 19:30.33 | chaosfisch | but traffic from the bridge has a private ip currently -> therefore I guess I must NAT it with iptables for example. |
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| 19:32.10 | ForceRecon | chaosfisch, look to the bridge |
| 19:32.15 | ForceRecon | done |
| 19:33.20 | jolt | chaosfisch: totally agree, and that is probably why the routing part doesnt work |
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| 19:43.47 | chaosfisch | jolt: I can make it pass traffic through correctly, but it is very slow |
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| 19:44.52 | chaosfisch | Added masquerading in iptables if outgoing to external interface, added ip rule entry to use external interface's routing table. |
| 19:46.11 | jolt | chaosfisch: if you remove your iptables rules for that particular traffic, do you see the private ip addresses on the other side of the system, with tcpdump or something |
| 19:47.07 | chaosfisch | jolt: good point, it doesnt show up now! |
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| 19:47.33 | chaosfisch | not even inside the bridge device I expect to see the traffic in |
| 19:47.36 | onee-chan | hi |
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| 19:47.58 | onee-chan | when approximately will stretch be released? |
| 19:48.33 | greycat | 2017 |
| 19:48.35 | SuperTramp83 | onee-chan, 2017 :) |
| 19:48.42 | greycat | :) |
| 19:48.45 | SuperTramp83 | oh my ^^ |
| 19:48.54 | onee-chan | Oh, I thought 2007 :P |
| 19:49.44 | SuperTramp83 | onee-chan, when the greens are fixed https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 19:50.02 | n4dir | june wouldn't surprise me. |
| 19:50.03 | onee-chan | didn't the bot have an estimation? |
| 19:50.14 | greycat | !stretch pool 1 |
| 19:50.15 | dpkg | ! dutchfish=2017-06-06 nauticalnexus=2017-04-19 cruncher=2017-04-12 cruncher=2017-02-18 bæbÄ«len=2017-05-06 TomTomTosch=2017-08-08 greycat=2017-08-15 jellÿ=2017-03-17 themÃll=2017-05-01 |
| 19:50.34 | greycat | Completely meaningless dates! |
| 19:50.40 | onee-chan | what caused the spike of bugs on the 18th? |
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| 20:03.13 | onee-chan | Well Debian testing will probably be released when the vector funcition pulls down all the heavy non-summer clothing down from people. |
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| 20:04.45 | missmbob | debian testing will never be released |
| 20:04.53 | onee-chan | well stretch |
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| 20:07.18 | ForceRecon | onee-chan, that means like next month |
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| 20:07.44 | onee-chan | ForceRecon yeah, next month is the beginning of summer. |
| 20:08.20 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 20:08.48 | ForceRecon | that would be nice |
| 20:09.13 | onee-chan | I am just waiting for testing to get out of freeze though. |
| 20:09.16 | mandeep | is gparted still the recommened disk partitioner these days? |
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| 20:09.50 | Azrael_- | i've added the backports for jessie as repository. sometimes "apt-get update" offers me updates from bpo for packages although those packages aren't installed from bpo (according to "apt-cache policy <package>"). why could this be and how could i further analyze this? |
| 20:09.50 | greycat | I usually use the non-g parted if I ever do it outside of the installer, which is rare. |
| 20:10.25 | mandeep | greycat: thanks ill give it a try |
| 20:10.26 | onee-chan | mandeep gparted works fine |
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| 20:12.05 | mandeep | onee-chan: cool thanks |
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| 20:13.39 | debianLearning | Hello I am having trouble with my internet connection when managing it with nm-applet. When I enable networking some time after it always connects to eth0 even though I am only using wifi and the laptop does not have any ethernet cable plugged in. I would like to make it so that it does not automatically connect to eth0 every time networking is enabled. I am running Debian 8.7 and NetworkManager |
| 20:13.39 | debianLearning | Applet 0.9.10.0 Can anyone suggest solutions for this or references that will help me solve this? |
| 20:14.01 | cr3 | how can I know what targets are called by dh_auto_clean? it seems to just call all the targets in the ./Makefile of my project that that would be insane :( |
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| 20:24.51 | jhutchins | debianLearning: You could blacklist the module for the ethernet chipset. |
| 20:25.39 | debianLearning | <jhutchins>: How is that done? |
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| 20:30.26 | jhutchins | Determine what chipset it is, look for the module in lsmod, create a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ with a sensible name containing "blacklist <module" (noquotes). |
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| 20:33.23 | jhutchins | debianLearning: What are the negative effects of eth0 being "connected"? |
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| 20:34.44 | debianLearning | jhutchins: It stops all internet connectivity over wifi and that is how I am connecting to the internet |
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| 20:35.27 | jhutchins | That is strange. I suspect systemd. |
| 20:36.33 | jhutchins | debianLearning: It's possible that configuring it for something like 0.0.0.0 in /etc/network/interfaces would work, but that's not documented. |
| 20:37.01 | jhutchins | It soulds about as helpful as Windows configuring a link-local address when networking isn't working. |
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| 20:39.51 | debianLearning | source /etc/network/interfaces.d/* |
| 20:39.51 | debianLearning | # The loopback network interface |
| 20:39.51 | debianLearning | auto lo |
| 20:39.51 | debianLearning | iface lo inet loopback |
| 20:39.51 | debianLearning | # The primary network interface |
| 20:39.51 | debianLearning | allow-hotplug eth0 |
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| 20:58.53 | ineedhelppp | hey umm i need some help |
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| 20:59.15 | ineedhelppp | i bought a dedicated server that runs debian and it seems like systemd is restarting every service every hour... i have no idea why |
| 20:59.20 | ineedhelppp | i dont know much about this sorry |
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| 21:00.48 | greycat | Most likely reason is the service is dying for some reason, unrelated to systemd. Then systemd just restarts it. Check "systemctl status yourservicename" and see what it says. |
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| 21:01.19 | greycat | (Running that as root may give more info than running it normally. Some log files are not available to unprivileged users.) |
| 21:01.44 | ineedhelppp | no its every service on the machine almost |
| 21:01.52 | ineedhelppp | not just one |
| 21:01.56 | greycat | Pick one. |
| 21:01.59 | ineedhelppp | ? |
| 21:02.06 | greycat | Pick one. Get its status. |
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| 21:02.38 | ineedhelppp | apache2 |
| 21:02.43 | ineedhelppp | its running since 3 minutes |
| 21:02.47 | ineedhelppp | since they restart every hour |
| 21:02.55 | ineedhelppp | oh wait 3h |
| 21:02.56 | ineedhelppp | hm |
| 21:03.01 | greycat | Pastebin the output of "systemctl status apache2" executed as root. |
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| 21:03.25 | ineedhelppp | https://thepasteb.in/p/76hElJyZAE2tV |
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| 21:04.54 | greycat | How long has the server itself been up? (uptime) |
| 21:05.17 | ineedhelppp | 16:05? |
| 21:05.19 | ineedhelppp | is that in hours? |
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| 21:05.29 | ineedhelppp | im noticing that a file runs every hour in cron |
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| 21:05.32 | ineedhelppp | well in the syslog |
| 21:05.40 | greycat | Yeah. Hours and minutes, unless it says "x days, 16:05" |
| 21:05.51 | ineedhelppp | and it happens every time the ssh and everything stops working i think |
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| 21:05.59 | ineedhelppp | because right after that it shows me logging back into ssh |
| 21:06.11 | ineedhelppp | May 3 22:50:01 ms130 CRON[16137]: (root) CMD ([ -x /opt/psa/admin/sbin/backupmng ] && /opt/psa/admin/sbin/backupmng >/dev/null 2>&1) |
| 21:06.20 | greycat | The fact that it restarted at 20:00:xx is also slightly suspicious. |
| 21:06.24 | ineedhelppp | ? |
| 21:06.51 | ineedhelppp | i mean it shows it restarting in the log |
| 21:06.57 | greycat | Do you have any jobs that run at 20:00 via cron, which might restart services? |
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| 21:07.26 | ineedhelppp | i really dont know how to use cron... how can i find that out? |
| 21:07.26 | greycat | Even something like "auto-apt-update" or whatever they call it, which installs upgrades of packages, might do that. |
| 21:07.51 | ineedhelppp | lain@occult:/var/log$ sudo crontab -l |
| 21:07.51 | ineedhelppp | MAILTO="" |
| 21:07.52 | ineedhelppp | 0 0,4,8,12,16,20 * * * /opt/psa/admin/bin/php -dauto_prepend_file=sdk.php '/opt/psa/admin/plib/modules/wp-toolkit/scripts/maintenance.php' |
| 21:07.52 | ineedhelppp | 0 0 * * * /opt/psa/admin/bin/php -dauto_prepend_file=sdk.php '/opt/psa/admin/plib/modules/wp-toolkit/scripts/instances-auto-update.php' |
| 21:07.52 | ineedhelppp | 0 0 * * * /opt/psa/admin/bin/php -dauto_prepend_file=sdk.php '/opt/psa/admin/plib/modules/letsencrypt/scripts/renew.php' |
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| 21:08.00 | ineedhelppp | oops |
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| 21:08.36 | greycat | That "maintenance.php" one runs at 20:00 (every 4 hours), so it might be related. |
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| 21:09.13 | ineedhelppp | the backupmng says its running every hour in the syslog from cron i think too but idk where from |
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| 21:09.53 | greycat | Well, for apache2 in particular, which is the one you chose to focus on first, you know that it has been running for 3 hours, *since* 20:00:48. So it was restarted at 20:00:48, but not at 21:00 or 22:00 or 23:00. |
| 21:10.07 | ineedhelppp | well i mean ssh is the more annoying one |
| 21:10.14 | greycat | That fits your maintenance.php crontab entry extremely well. |
| 21:10.46 | ineedhelppp | is it normal for php files to not be able to display in ssh? |
| 21:10.59 | greycat | I have no idea what that means. |
| 21:11.09 | ineedhelppp | its just a bunch of like... not found characters |
| 21:11.29 | ineedhelppp | https://thepasteb.in/p/Q1hBOy9gj72U8 |
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| 21:11.38 | greycat | Are you reading the .../maintenance.php script, or are you reading the /opt/psa/admin/bin/php program? |
| 21:11.50 | ineedhelppp | it should be the .php |
| 21:11.54 | greycat | The latter is going to be a compiled binary file, not human readable. |
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| 21:12.51 | greycat | There is a ##plesk channel. |
| 21:13.02 | ineedhelppp | http://i.imgur.com/qZZ51H6.png |
| 21:13.04 | ineedhelppp | oh |
| 21:13.14 | jelly | /opt/psa reminds me vaguely of... right, plesk |
| 21:13.27 | ineedhelppp | okay |
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| 21:14.00 | greycat | In any case, I very much doubt the problem is coming from systemd itself. Especially since apache2 doesn't even have systemd unit files. It's still using init.d scripts. |
| 21:14.14 | ineedhelppp | well yeah i know that... |
| 21:14.40 | ineedhelppp | maybe i should just run the php file and see if it happens? |
| 21:14.59 | greycat | I bet it will tell you that it is part of Plesk and can't be run outside of Plesk. |
| 21:15.03 | ineedhelppp | oh |
| 21:15.07 | ineedhelppp | then how does it run from the cron? |
| 21:15.09 | greycat | I mean, that's just a guess, but.... |
| 21:15.28 | greycat | Probably that -dauto_prepend_file=sdk.php option does something. |
| 21:15.30 | jelly | ineedhelppp: Plesk onfuscates their .php. |
| 21:15.31 | ineedhelppp | what if I run this? /opt/psa/admin/bin/php -dauto_prepend_file=sdk.php '/opt/psa/admin/plib/modules/wp-toolkit/scripts/maintenance.php' |
| 21:15.38 | jelly | oBfuscates |
| 21:15.51 | ineedhelppp | okay I ran it lets see what happens |
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| 21:16.41 | jelly | there are... ways around that, but really if you have plesk you also have a support contract so read the docs and/or ask them what their tools do. |
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| 21:17.33 | jelly | (and ISTR their best supported platform is actually centos, not debian) |
| 21:17.38 | ineedhelppp | i mean i dont even need plesk i wish i could just start with a clean install |
| 21:18.30 | jelly | if it's really a dedicated system, ask for a base debian install without crap |
| 21:18.32 | greycat | You might bring that up with your VPS(?) provider. |
| 21:18.38 | ineedhelppp | how difficult is it just to uninstall plesk and everything that comes with it? |
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| 21:18.51 | greycat | That, you might ask ##plesk |
| 21:18.58 | ineedhelppp | i dont really want to ask their support... it would probably either take forever or not happen at all |
| 21:19.02 | jelly | it changes lots of configuration everywhere. Easier to reinstall. |
| 21:19.06 | ineedhelppp | the automated install takes like 2 days |
| 21:19.15 | ineedhelppp | maybe 1 |
| 21:19.44 | ineedhelppp | hm |
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| 21:20.40 | ineedhelppp | if i can access it from a chroot could I reinstall a clean install? |
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| 21:28.05 | jelly | ineedhelppp: not really, you need to boot from some other media, and even then the debootstrap installation method is rather fragile. If you're doing this for the first time there's a good chance you'll end up having to access console and/or the reset button. |
| 21:29.35 | candidat_ | hello guys |
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| 21:30.07 | ineedhelppp | jelly there's a rescue thing that boots from a seperate drive or something and gives you ssh access |
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| 21:31.48 | jelly | right, and that's precisely the sort of environment you might want to try to reinstall via debootstrap from. |
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| 21:32.09 | jelly | and when it fails at some point, you really want to have console access |
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| 21:32.34 | ineedhelppp | oh... |
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| 21:34.29 | jelly | or be very very careful and get it right the first time :-) |
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| 21:38.18 | gljoe | is there a debian tool like spflasher for windows that can handle scatter files for telephone roms |
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| 21:39.12 | g0zzy | Is it an OK strategy when zipping an image of a bootable usb key (looks like FAT32) to create a huge file that fills the unused space, zero-fill it, delete it, then zip it? |
| 21:40.02 | jelly | gljoe: hm, did you try googling for sp flash linux |
| 21:40.08 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.08 | gljoe | some people don't mind paying one hundred dollars for windows because they use it to put roms in millions of telephones for millions of dollars returns on their 100$ investment but others have a problem paying $100 for an os just to repair one telephone |
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| 21:40.22 | g0zzy | Brigo: Yes |
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| 21:40.39 | Brigo | g0zzy, do it worth the effort? |
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| 21:41.32 | g0zzy | Yes otherwise it's going to give me most of the size of an 8GB stick with hardly anything on it |
| 21:41.46 | g0zzy | (probably) |
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| 21:43.24 | alesan | hello |
| 21:43.40 | alesan | so it seems I have an issue with a package, libudev-dev |
| 21:44.01 | jelly | gljoe: figuring out the right working version of sp flash, permissions to access usb devices, obscure errors, may waste more of your valuable time than getting it to work on windows |
| 21:44.01 | gljoe | jelly...yea i got the 32 bit version but it doesnt work on stretch |
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| 21:44.08 | alesan | this is an armel installation, that has used emdebian and multistrap long ago, on wheezy |
| 21:44.22 | francine | is looking for help with Debian Stretch, but it sure that this channel is the wrong place for ask for |
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| 21:44.28 | francine | Where can I find the right channel? |
| 21:44.42 | Devastator | !debian-next |
| 21:44.43 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:44.44 | gljoe | francine..no everyone here is using stretch |
| 21:44.44 | francine | Thanks |
| 21:44.56 | francine | gljoe: "everyone"? sure? |
| 21:45.11 | ForceRecon | not me |
| 21:45.16 | ForceRecon | jessie |
| 21:45.24 | francine | ^ gljoe |
| 21:45.25 | gljoe | francine...well everyone that i know |
| 21:45.26 | missmbob | this is stable support |
| 21:45.31 | jelly | some do. We're not magically going to know everything about stretch the second it gets released. |
| 21:45.49 | francine | #debian-next on OFTC, thank you guys |
| 21:45.52 | g0zzy | Can someone kindly remind me what signal to send dd to get a progress report? |
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| 21:46.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | missmbob, pft, you're not in #d-offtopic |
| 21:46.11 | gljoe | francine..it seems fairly ok for a cheap os...it played zelda3t all night without any problem |
| 21:46.26 | francine | gljoe: Cheap OS? |
| 21:46.38 | gljoe | francine for people that like 100 hour video games |
| 21:46.43 | ForceRecon | status=progress |
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| 21:47.33 | gljoe | francine...but the main problem is that all the money making software that is used to manufacture millions of dollars of smartphones is all windows based |
| 21:47.45 | woshty | g0zzy: USR1 iirc |
| 21:47.50 | g0zzy | discovers it's USR1 |
| 21:48.34 | ForceRecon | we are talking a dd copy correct |
| 21:48.42 | ForceRecon | http://linuxcommando.blogspot.com/2008/06/show-progress-during-dd-copy.html |
| 21:48.46 | francine | gljoe: What are you trying to explain me? |
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| 21:49.51 | gljoe | francine...i can't explain fragile to ace ventura ...how can i explain anything to anyone else...i am just stating that there need to be some way to repair smartphones without all that windows expense |
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| 21:50.52 | woshty | ForceRecon: dd in stable is 8.23 |
| 21:52.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | missmbob, anyway, just wanted to point out that "stable support" sounds a lot like volunteering to help muck it out |
| 21:52.43 | jelly | gljoe: here's the thing: each cheap mtk phone repair show can pay $100 for windows, or one can pay a number of $100 hours for someone to make sp flash work reliably on linux and what, give the knowledge out for free to their competitors? |
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| 21:53.41 | gljoe | jelly..well that is a dilemna..if you don't want competitors to steal your ideas and make millions of dollars for themselves |
| 21:53.59 | francine | gljoe: Everyone can choose and use the OS that he or she wants .. what's the problem now? |
| 21:54.00 | gljoe | by manufacturing their own smartphones |
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| 21:54.38 | jelly | francine: they want to use a specific app to make money, and the app is a) closed b) doesn't work on recent distros |
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| 21:54.48 | gljoe | francine..the problem is i don't want to have to pay money for a expensive os...just to repair a crap phone that others like to destroy |
| 21:55.01 | alesan | how do I force a package to be installed from wheezy instead of the default? |
| 21:55.11 | jelly | alesan: why? |
| 21:55.15 | francine | gljoe: QEMU and PCI passthrough and everything's fine |
| 21:55.46 | gljoe | the problem is that many people know how to destroy the google store priveleges to get software for the phone...and then tell people...hey that is no problem ...buy all your apps from our non-google store |
| 21:56.02 | jelly | alesan: what's the real issue you're having? |
| 21:56.06 | jelly | !goal |
| 21:56.06 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 21:56.08 | jelly | !bat |
| 21:56.11 | alesan | jelly, the package I have installed is gripped |
| 21:56.13 | jelly | !bat |
| 21:56.14 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 21:56.28 | francine | jelly: Is there a handbook for dpkg available? |
| 21:56.36 | jelly | francine: the bot or the command? |
| 21:56.42 | francine | A list of commands |
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| 21:57.00 | gljoe | jelly...hey how did you know it was a mtk phone |
| 21:57.11 | gljoe | jelly or at least using mtk chips |
| 21:57.27 | jelly | francine: visit ircbots.debian.net |
| 21:57.29 | ForceRecon | I just did a sudo apt-get install iptables |
| 21:57.34 | francine | jelly: Okay, thanks |
| 21:57.35 | ForceRecon | says it is the latest version |
| 21:57.40 | ForceRecon | then when I run iptables -L |
| 21:57.45 | ForceRecon | it says it is not found |
| 21:57.54 | jelly | gljoe: sp flash is a mtk specific tool as far as I know |
| 21:58.12 | ForceRecon | has my brain stopped, run over a bump? anyone else? |
| 21:58.22 | alesan | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/930674 |
| 21:58.27 | gljoe | jelly...the problem is that a lot of software destroys the phones ability to use the google store for any apps or any upgrades...so then they tell you to buy all your apps from their stores. |
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| 21:58.33 | uniTosch | ForceRecon: it's in /sbin/ which is not in a normal user's path. run with sudo or as root. |
| 21:58.34 | jelly | ForceRecon: be root, and have /sbin in PATH |
| 21:58.54 | alekz | lol |
| 21:59.00 | francine | Or execute /sbin/iptables directly |
| 21:59.02 | alekz | ForceRecon: trolling again? |
| 21:59.06 | alekz | you are good, dude! |
| 21:59.06 | ForceRecon | oh vey |
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| 21:59.21 | gljoe | jelly...so it needs to be rebuilt from scratch...and i am trying to find a linux tool that can understand and properly install all the roms from the scatter file |
| 21:59.31 | ForceRecon | alekz.. how is asking a question trolling |
| 21:59.42 | jelly | alesan: the installed package doesn't seem to come from Debian. |
| 21:59.51 | alekz | ForceRecon: asking without reading first, it's even worst than trolling |
| 21:59.55 | ForceRecon | sudo /sbin/iptables -L |
| 21:59.55 | ForceRecon | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
| 21:59.55 | ForceRecon | target prot opt source destination |
| 21:59.55 | ForceRecon | Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) |
| 21:59.55 | ForceRecon | target prot opt source destination |
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| 22:00.00 | francine | Hmm |
| 22:00.06 | francine | Let's not flood the channel |
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| 22:00.26 | ForceRecon | being a no it all is even worse |
| 22:00.30 | alesan | jelly, emdebian in fact |
| 22:00.35 | alekz | francine: that's ForceRecon's seal |
| 22:00.41 | francine | ForceRecon: Your iptables is healthly, you just don't have setup any rules |
| 22:00.50 | francine | * didn't |
| 22:01.03 | jelly | gljoe: "scatter files" are also mtk specific I think. Try finding a mediatek related channel and ask there. |
| 22:01.09 | ForceRecon | yeah I know.. thanks.. I was just looking for the command.. but thanks.. |
| 22:01.29 | gljoe | jelly...ok but i dont have a clue where to locate an mtk specific channel |
| 22:01.42 | jelly | gljoe: /msg alis list mediatek |
| 22:01.50 | jelly | to search on this network. |
| 22:01.52 | ForceRecon | I am working on a small script where I send 10billion amps to a PC while the operator is sitting at it.. alekz is my first test subject |
| 22:02.03 | alesan | jelly, I used to have deb http://emdebian.bytesatwork.ch/mirror/grip wheezy-grip main in the sources.list |
| 22:02.12 | jelly | ForceRecon: please keep your lines in here to tech support |
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| 22:02.31 | ForceRecon | jelly, I was.. I was edged on |
| 22:02.37 | jelly | ForceRecon: don't care. |
| 22:02.39 | ForceRecon | I listen I obey |
| 22:02.46 | alesan | jelly, I would be happy to install the correct package now... any idea how to get the one from the "regular" wheezy? |
| 22:03.21 | jelly | alesan: you'd have to both replace libudev and install matching libudev-dev |
| 22:03.39 | jelly | but without knowing more it's hard to say |
| 22:03.43 | jelly | so AGAIN |
| 22:03.45 | jelly | !bat |
| 22:03.45 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 22:03.53 | jelly | alesan: ^^ read this CAREFULLY |
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| 22:04.15 | alesan | jelly, OK I need to add the package policy you mean? |
| 22:04.33 | jelly | Provide all the requested info. 1. and 2. and 3. |
| 22:04.42 | jelly | preferably in the same pastebin entry. |
| 22:05.19 | gljoe | jelly ok..i found only one channel called linux-mediatek but there is hardly no one in it and so far no one has answered any questions about a debian app |
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| 22:06.37 | alesan | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/930675 |
| 22:06.47 | alesan | I believe I have put everything that was specified |
| 22:07.04 | expert975 | My audio card has stopped working. How to proceed? |
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| 22:09.28 | jelly | alesan: alright, apt-get refuses to downgrade packages. Use aptitude, or first force installation of the wheezy version using "apt-get install libudev0=175-7.2" syntax |
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| 22:10.54 | alesan | aptitude is not installed o nthis system, so I will first try the apt-get syntax |
| 22:11.08 | uniTosch | expert975: check the audio levels. alsamixer, pavucontrol or your DE's audio settings. and check if the right output device is selected. |
| 22:11.18 | gljoe | man these telephone problems really suck with so many people saying we are going to screw all those google phones to make them buy all their apps from our store. |
| 22:11.30 | expert975 | uniTosch: Did and done! |
| 22:11.54 | jelly | gljoe: this isn't really debian specific but more of a linux vs windows issue |
| 22:12.45 | gljoe | jelly..yea well there are windows apps known to work..but i don't happen to have a working copy of windows...the damn os doesn't like my hardware and refuses to boot on another machine |
| 22:13.09 | jelly | gljoe: you'll probably get more useful clues if you stop focusing on debian, and see if you can get stuff to work on any linux |
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| 22:13.33 | gljoe | first it complains that there is no agp440 device and hangs because this damn hardware uses intel graphics |
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| 22:14.12 | gljoe | so i can't get the damn xp to boot so...i would just as soon look for a debian app to reinstall all the roms |
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| 22:14.22 | alesan | jelly, thanks |
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| 22:16.07 | gljoe | and then if you rename the agp440sys driver to get it out of the way...it hangs on the mup driver since this damn hardware uses an atom chip instead of a pentium |
| 22:16.31 | gljoe | so the damn microsoft crap doesn't work worth a flip |
| 22:17.22 | gljoe | jelly...so that is why i am trying to find a 32 bit debian version |
| 22:17.28 | gljoe | to flash all those roms |
| 22:17.41 | jelly | good luck with that |
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| 22:22.57 | dannyLopez | I have a problem, I edited the fstab and I did not load the system, now I edited the grub with init=/bin/bash and I deleted the lines that I put in, but still no X, just let me log in as root in ttys and X |
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| 22:26.44 | gljoe | and its a problem because there are so many app developers in various countries screwing all the android phones to make sure they can never use anything from a google play store....and then trying to take away all their business and give it to their own internet stores |
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| 22:27.59 | gljoe | i guess it is very lucrative for them to screw all the android phones and rob google play store of all its customers |
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| 22:28.11 | dannyLopez | I have a problem, I edited the fstab and I did not load the system, now I edited the grub with init=/bin/bash and I deleted the lines that I put in, but still no X, just let me log in as root in ttys and X |
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| 22:29.20 | jelly | stupid bot |
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| 22:30.26 | gljoe | its just amazing how corrupt and destructive people are when it comes to taking away billion dollar enterprises from google and others like them |
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| 22:31.53 | gljoe | especially when they are trying to divert the google customers money into their own pockets |
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| 22:35.55 | gljoe | and you can't even use libmtp to communicate with the phone since the android.process.media service stops as soon as you connect a computer to the phone |
| 22:36.10 | alesan | is a line in sources.list like: deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib non-free correct? |
| 22:36.20 | alesan | I would like to be able to compile a package myself |
| 22:36.28 | gljoe | they really know how to completely screw the android phones to divert customers money into their own pockets |
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| 22:36.51 | alesan | I had the line about sid (only change sid became jessie) |
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| 22:37.37 | gljoe | and it just goes to show that the android system using a secure linux kernel is a big joke to malicious coders |
| 22:37.54 | uniTosch | alesan: looks about right. |
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| 22:38.48 | uniTosch | alesan: apt-get source will pick the package with the highest version if not specified, iirc. |
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| 22:40.07 | gljoe | so at least everyone will know there is no such thing as a security hardened linux kernel |
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| 22:40.42 | uniTosch | "the newest available version of that source package while respecting the default release" or maybe not. |
| 22:40.44 | gljoe | because where big dollars are concerned ...there is no stopping the malicious coders |
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| 22:40.55 | uniTosch | and why are you ranting in here? |
| 22:40.57 | alesan | uniTosch, http://paste.debian.net/930679 |
| 22:41.04 | alesan | it seems it does not find the sources at all |
| 22:41.28 | gljoe | uniTosch..it is not a rant...it is a fact that everyone is destroying the android phones for their own monetary gain. |
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| 22:42.02 | uniTosch | move it to #debian-offtopic, then. |
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| 22:42.40 | gljoe | uniTosch...okay if you insist but i am trying to see if anyone knows of a debian app that can solve some of these problems |
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| 22:46.58 | uniTosch | alesan: that mirror works for me. but deb.debian.org is a cdn thingy. try a different mirror. https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 22:47.20 | alesan | I'l try |
| 22:47.56 | uniTosch | alesan: also, which release are you on, you seem to be mixing wheezy and jessie. |
| 22:48.04 | dannyLopez | I have a problem, I edited the fstab and I did not load the system, now I edited the grub with init=/bin/bash and I deleted the lines that I put in, but still no X, just let me log in as root in ttys and X |
| 22:48.32 | alesan | uniTosch, I would like to build a jessie package on this wheezy installation. |
| 22:48.47 | alesan | the sid package requires too many new dependencies |
| 22:48.55 | alesan | I wanted to try with the jessie one |
| 22:49.18 | uniTosch | alesan: you can check with the bot if you can backport a package. which package is that? |
| 22:50.32 | jelly | /msg judd checkbackport mplayer2 --fromrelease jessie --torelease wheezy |
| 22:50.32 | alesan | pcscd, libpcsc-lite, and ccid |
| 22:50.49 | ForceRecon | can you uninstall icedove - thunderbird without causing any issues for Thunderbird itself |
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| 22:51.47 | uniTosch | yes |
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| 22:58.24 | alesan | hm |
| 22:58.37 | jelly | ,v libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 22:58.38 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on amd64 -- wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 13.0.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2; sid: 13.0.6-1+b2; experimental: 17.0.4-1 |
| 22:58.40 | ForceRecon | better |
| 22:58.40 | ForceRecon | https://hastebin.com/wowotevuce.sql |
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| 22:58.47 | alesan | so how would I use the bot to check for backport? |
| 22:59.02 | jelly | alesan: /msg judd checkbackport |
| 22:59.04 | alesan | oh judd is the bot? |
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| 22:59.53 | uniTosch | or just good with numbers. ^^ |
| 23:00.02 | ForceRecon | sudo iptables -L |
| 23:00.02 | gljoe | is there a debian build on etcher that is compatitble with stretch |
| 23:00.07 | alesan | <judd> Backporting package pcscd in jessieâwheezy/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy-backports, archignore, wheezy |
| 23:00.50 | alesan | yeah but I cannot access the jessie sources, the apt-get update gives that error I pastebin'd before |
| 23:01.08 | vagrant` | what does it mean that a debian (jessie amd64 iso) torrent's sha512sum doesn't match anything in the SHA512SUM file? |
| 23:01.12 | gljoe | does anyone know of a debian build for etcher that works with 32 bit stretch |
| 23:01.20 | uniTosch | alesan: even after you switched to a different mirror? |
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| 23:04.17 | gljoe | and does etcher really make bootable windows usb sticks for reinstalling windowscrap that will not work when hardware has to be modified |
| 23:04.46 | missmbob | !etcher |
| 23:04.47 | dpkg | etcher is probably initial testing shows etcher is not a reliable way to copy debian images for installation. instead use cp or dd for linux, or win32diskimager for windows. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 23:05.19 | alesan | uniTosch, yes I switched to ftp.us |
| 23:05.49 | gljoe | dpkg...it is never a problem with debian on any of the usb isos....it is the damn windows stuff that is the problem and etcher says it can make bootable windows usb sticks for reinstalling windows without a cdrom |
| 23:05.59 | alesan | the error message is pretty much the same |
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| 23:06.28 | alesan | uniTosch, http://paste.debian.net/930679 |
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| 23:07.15 | uniTosch | that's the same paste from before. |
| 23:07.30 | gljoe | since the damn windows crap is not robust enough to permit hardware changes |
| 23:08.35 | alesan | you are correct uniTosch sorry |
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| 23:10.20 | alesan | uniTosch, http://paste.debian.net/930680 |
| 23:10.51 | vagrant` | is it a common thing to download debian torrents with altered contents? |
| 23:11.15 | jelly | it's somewhat uncommon to use debian torrents at all |
| 23:12.03 | gljoe | well i guess icedove does not work well with stretch since it just crashed |
| 23:12.04 | uniTosch | alesan: debian uses http for fetching from mirrors, not ftp. http://ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 23:12.06 | vagrant` | so it's common to download via http, even though it is explicitly recommended against by debian.org? |
| 23:12.41 | alesan | uniTosch, I will change |
| 23:12.42 | gljoe | that is too bad...icedove was a nice app |
| 23:13.00 | uniTosch | i wonder about the gpg errors, though. the keys should be in debian-archive-keyring. check if that package is up-to-date. |
| 23:13.03 | vagrant` | jelly and even though download speeds are usually terrible compared to torrenting the iso? |
| 23:13.04 | jelly | vagrant`: where is it recommended against? Yes, download the installed via http, and verify gpg signatures on checksum files. |
| 23:13.16 | alesan | uniTosch, most likely it isn't :) |
| 23:13.50 | jelly | vagrant`: they're not "usually terrible" IME |
| 23:14.12 | jelly | vagrant`: which URL are you getting terrible speeds for? |
| 23:14.41 | gljoe | but i personally have not run into a problem with booting any linux distro usb sticks...it is just the windows crap that seems to be a hell of a problem |
| 23:15.12 | jelly | vagrant`: and do you have a specific page where you found this recommendation against http download of installer .iso? |
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| 23:16.42 | jelly | gljoe: srsly dude, noone cares about windows. Keep comments in this channel to Debian tech support. Further tangents on how something is "windows crap" may get you quieted |
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| 23:19.39 | woshty | jelly: https://www.debian.org/CD/ |
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| 23:20.32 | HotSwap | hey, I have a dovecot configuration question. The allowed protocols are being pulled in from /usr/share/dovecot/protocols.d. I was wondering how to properly disable one. Deleting one of the files works, but they reappear on upgrade. I'm sure there must be a config line in /etc thats causing this directory to be imported, but I can't find it. |
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| 23:21.23 | HotSwap | hah! I'm an idiot |
| 23:21.24 | HotSwap | disregard |
| 23:21.56 | gljoe | jelly well..i deal in facts...and the broken phone is hard evidence that there no such thing as a secure linux kernel....when the system apps is supports can easily be destroyed by malicious coders....these are simply factual observations of tangible products...not any kind of vaporware. |
| 23:22.47 | HotSwap | there's no such thing as a completely secure anything :P |
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| 23:23.19 | gljoe | no different than observing the tangilbe sun rotates around the earth about once per day |
| 23:23.26 | petn-randall | gljoe: Still offtopic in this channel. |
| 23:23.26 | gljoe | tangible |
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| 23:23.41 | jelly | woshty: wow, that seems new |
| 23:23.55 | woshty | jelly: nope |
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| 23:25.25 | woshty | jelly: Has been in that form or similar for a really long time |
| 23:25.37 | alesan | petn-randall, do you remmeber I was trying to build a package for pcscd etc last night? You gave me some instructionshow to do so |
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| 23:26.33 | ben_ | hi, i have a bcm43143 usb wifi dongle but can't get it to work. I enabled the non-free repos and installed firmware-brcm80211 which contains the required firmware. My issue is that debian never tries to actually load the firmware. |
| 23:26.35 | jelly | woshty: eh, much like the jigdo recommendation and the fact torrents are often seeded from the very same cdimage host, I find it ridiculous |
| 23:26.40 | ben_ | my dmesg: https://pastebin.com/pc2X5373 |
| 23:27.18 | ben_ | compare this to https://discourse.osmc.tv/t/broadcom-usb-hub-wifi-adapter-not-recognized/1358 and https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=88214 where you can clearly see that it tries to load the firmware |
| 23:27.38 | alesan | petn-randall, if I try to build the sid package wants to bring it also systemd and a lot of stuff... I was trying to see if the jessie package was good enough |
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| 23:30.34 | woshty | jelly: Yes, and complicated for beginners. That should just be removed. |
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| 23:51.30 | woshty | ben_: Have tried putting the firmware from the git in /lib/firmware/brcm and reloading the module? Have you tried manually reloading brcmfmac module? |
| 23:52.03 | woshty | ^you |
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| 23:52.15 | vagrant` | jelly Download CD/DVD images using HTTP or FTP... Due to space and |
| 23:52.15 | vagrant` | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.18 | vagrant` | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.20 | vagrant` | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.24 | vagrant` | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.31 | vagrant` | jelly https://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 23:52.51 | vagrant` | Download CD/DVD images with BitTorrent. The Bittorrent peer to peer system lets many users cooperatively download images at the same time, with minimal load on our servers. DVD images are only available for some architectures. |
| 23:53.47 | jelly | vagrant`: yeah, that's silly. Go get netinst from http and don't worry about it |
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| 23:54.01 | ben_ | woshty: installing firmware-brcm80211 provided me with /lib/firmware/brcm/brcmfmac43143-sdio.bin I just manually downloaded brcmfmac43143.bin from git and made sure permissions are the same as all the other files in brcm. I have not tried (re)loading the module. |
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| 23:55.00 | jelly | vagrant`: the only time cdimage.d.o is visibly sluggish is right after a new major release |
| 23:55.01 | vagrant` | jelly also I remember trying http and download estimates being about 5 hours for a DVD |
| 23:55.53 | ben_ | woshty: just ran modprobe brcmfmac (and verified it's running with lsmod), reconnected the wifi usb dongle. still the same dmesg |
| 23:56.11 | missmbob | it all depends on the mirror. use osuosl mirror for dvd and it'll fly, for example |
| 23:56.12 | vagrant` | but anyway, i'm really interested in seeing if others have come across debian iso torrents whose checksum doesn't match. how common is this? does this mean the most popular debian torrents have been tampered with? |
| 23:57.45 | woshty | ben_: It did get usbcore: registered new interface driver brcmfmac as well after rmmod/modprobe |
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| 23:58.08 | aypea[3] | netinst ftw |
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| 23:59.39 | alesan | from 0 to 100, how bad is to just compile a software by hand and do a make install over the debian packaged stuff? |
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| 23:59.42 | ben_ | woshty: is that a statement or question? if it is the later, no I don't see/grep anything like this in dmesg |
