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| 01:05.14 | huihw | What am I doing wrong? |
| 01:05.33 | huihw | I can't switch user in debian jessie with xfce4. When I do "$dm-tool switch-to-greeter" screen goes black and I go back to session with alt+f7 |
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| 01:20.45 | hyperreal | Has a release data been set for Debian 9? |
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| 01:26.18 | missmbob | hyperreal: no |
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| 01:28.46 | hyperreal | missmbob: okay, thank you |
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| 01:32.01 | missmbob | hyperreal: it'll be shortly after the # of rc bugs (the green line) get to 0 https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 02:27.40 | deitario1 | I'm trying to get nginx to run un-privileged but it's dying with "bind() to 0.0.0.0:80 failed (13: Permission denied)" despite my having `CapabilityBoundingSet=CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE` and `AmbientCapabilities=CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE` in my custom nginx.service... a configuration which a Gentoo user reported as allowing it on their system. |
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| 02:29.41 | deitario1 | Oh, wait. I think I just realized what's going on. Ambient capabilities were apparently added in Kernel 4.3 and my Jessie is still on 3.16. |
| 02:30.20 | missmbob | deitario1: jessie-backports has 4.9, fyi |
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| 02:31.39 | deitario1 | missmbob: Hmm. I'll have to think about whether to add that to my ansible playbook then. In your experience, is it lower-effort to maintain a VPS with or without -backports? |
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| 02:32.23 | missmbob | deitario1: definitely with |
| 02:32.51 | missmbob | !jessie-backports |
| 02:32.51 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 02:33.28 | missmbob | read the instructions. you have to use -t jessie-backports when wanting to pull packages from it |
| 02:35.46 | deitario1 | If I have to opt into specific packages, what in -backports makes maintaining a VPS easier and how? |
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| 02:37.17 | missmbob | same way backports makes anything easier. if you need updated version of packages, like you need of the kernel, you dont have to compile it and maintain updates to it yourself |
| 02:38.02 | missmbob | deitario1: it has a newer version of nginx, for example |
| 02:38.28 | missmbob | ,v nginx |
| 02:38.29 | judd | Package: nginx on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u4; jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u4; sid: 1.10.1-1; jessie-backports: 1.10.3-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.10.3-1; stretch: 1.10.3-1; experimental: 1.11.2-1~exp1; experimental: 1.11.10-1~exp1 |
| 02:38.38 | missmbob | 1.10.3 |
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| 02:39.48 | deitario1 | In other words, if I'm willing to use an alternative to AmbientCapabilities like `setcap 'cap_net_bind_service=+ep' /usr/sbin/nginx`, then doing it now would just be extra work now for potential future gain. |
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| 02:41.04 | deitario1 | I'll just add the setcap line to my ansible playbook, gated on ansible_kernel starting with "3." and leave -backports for when I have a more significant need for it. |
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| 06:53.59 | andrew2221 | Hi everyone. A quick question. I have a Debian8 and a Debian9 installs on the same hard disk. Boot flag is on Debian9. I want to get rid of Debian8 and merge the partitions. It is safe to do so? Will Grub work if I delete the Debian8 partition? |
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| 06:56.24 | epsilon | if grub is installed on disk (/dev/sda) and not on partition (dev/sda1), then yes |
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| 06:57.10 | andrew2221 | epsilon, how can I check if it's installed on the partition or not? |
| 06:57.56 | epsilon | you get grub as only bootloader if you boot, right? |
| 06:58.07 | epsilon | then it's on disk |
| 06:59.13 | andrew2221 | epsilon, yes, and when I boot I have options in Grub for both Debians.. So I guess you're right.. |
| 07:00.14 | andrew2221 | Well, if I am not coming back today, you'll know why.. :)) Just that this is a workstation at my job, and don't want to risk lose something.. Thank you very much. |
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| 07:00.36 | epsilon | dont' forget to make backup |
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| 07:06.43 | andrew2221 | epsilon, right, rule #1 of IT, always have backup copies. :) |
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| 07:20.32 | oohhoo | hello |
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| 07:20.40 | theluckymike | is there a way to shut down eth itnerface so physical link goes down on uplink switch? |
| 07:22.28 | oohhoo | is it posible to get a history of package version |
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| 07:22.30 | oohhoo | ? |
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| 07:25.41 | thereyougo | how to make "top" show amount of swap or RAM in human readable form ? like "ls -h" option does |
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| 07:27.01 | LiuYan | thereyougo: alternative: 'htop' |
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| 07:28.40 | thereyougo | no |
| 07:28.51 | thereyougo | I want "top" |
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| 07:29.01 | jer0me | good morning #debian, do we have some sort of acpi script collection to provide common actions for various vendors? Like thinkpads, macs. etc? For some reason, volume and brightness are not handled by default as it seems. |
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| 07:29.19 | jer0me | acpi-support is pretty poor. |
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| 07:30.15 | oohhoo | ? |
| 07:30.27 | awal1 | oohhoo, http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 07:30.46 | LiuYan | thereyougo: `man top` said you can press 'E' to switch the unit ... |
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| 07:31.39 | thereyougo | when I press "E" it says: |
| 07:31.44 | thereyougo | Unknown command - try 'h' for help |
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| 07:33.14 | coke | top -M |
| 07:34.23 | LiuYan | thereyougo: http://img.vim-cn.com/b4/a7c3c8c6d93940da12efa66709ff7b9a570efe.png <-- This is what I got after press 'E' two times |
| 07:34.30 | coke | if E doesnt work .. i can never figure out where what does and doesnt work |
| 07:35.03 | awal1 | top then press E as you have been told thereyougo |
| 07:35.11 | awal1 | E, not e |
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| 07:36.26 | oohhoo | awal1: thanks |
| 07:36.55 | awal1 | you can press several times E for get the unit you want |
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| 07:49.38 | thereyougo | in this version it doesn't work: "procps-ng version 3.3.3" but in these versions it works: "procps-ng 3.3.12", also I tryed "top -M" and it says: "unknown option 'M'" |
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| 08:02.42 | shtrb | Is there yammer IM integration I can use with debian tools (main/contrib/non-free) ? |
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| 08:19.24 | sequos | hi |
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| 08:21.22 | coke | thereyougo: apparently the world needs 100 different kinds of top |
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| 08:24.19 | thereyougo | so there is apparently "procps" and "procps-ng" versions of packages that has "top" in it |
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| 08:26.03 | awal1 | htop is a better alternative |
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| 08:26.12 | LiuYan | don't see procps-ng package in debian unstable. `apt-file search /bin/top` doesn't show procps-ng |
| 08:28.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see procps-ng in stable either |
| 08:28.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions procps-ng |
| 08:28.20 | judd | No package named 'procps-ng' was found in amd64. |
| 08:28.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | what version of debian is this? |
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| 08:29.36 | oohhoo | awal1: is it posible to get history of all version from comand line in that format |
| 08:29.38 | oohhoo | http://snapshot.debian.org/package/vim/ |
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| 08:34.47 | jelly | shtrb: if you find out, let us know! |
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| 08:45.02 | iveqy | I've set up a reprerpo server and it all works fine until I've added jessie-backports as an update to that server. It looks like reprepro doesn't find the packages I want from the jessie-backports mirror, rendering my reprepro missing certain packages (openjdk-8 for example) |
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| 08:49.41 | thereyougo | LiuYan: if you run "top -v" what it says ? |
| 08:50.29 | LiuYan | thereyougo: procps-ng 3.3.12 |
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| 08:50.59 | sw-tritum | hi, systemd232-20 fixed #787028 but now won't boot setups with luks containing a randomly encrypted swap. is there a webinterface to file bugreports? |
| 08:51.00 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/787028 in systemd (closed, fixed-upstream): «systemd-cryptsetup@.service fails, although encrypted swap is enabled nevertheless»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-05-27; last modified: 2017-03-16. |
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| 08:54.07 | petn-randall | sw-tritum: Is this on jessie? |
| 08:54.18 | thereyougo | so "cat /etc/issue" says its: "Debian GNU/Linux 8", and "lsb_release -a" says: "Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 (jessie)", now, when I run "top -v" it says: "procps-ng version 3.3.9", and here "E" works |
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| 08:54.46 | petn-randall | sw-tritum: The bug tracker is handled via mail. You can use the 'reportbug' tool to file bugs or search for them. |
| 08:54.59 | thereyougo | LiuYan: so its "procps-ng", how is that there is no such package "procps-ng" ? |
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| 08:55.11 | thereyougo | then what is it ? |
| 08:56.00 | petn-randall | thereyougo: You probably have it installed from some 3rd party repo. |
| 08:56.18 | petn-randall | OR you're not running Debian, but some derivative. |
| 08:56.33 | thereyougo | "lsb_release -a" says: "Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 (jessie)" |
| 08:56.43 | TomTomTosch | noe, it's fine. debian packages procps-ng as procps |
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| 08:59.08 | shtrb | sw-tritum , are you telling me the system blocks or the swap doesn't open ? |
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| 09:01.04 | sw-tritum | initrd won't boot, waiting for swap to become available |
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| 09:02.06 | shtrb | :-/ |
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| 09:02.11 | sw-tritum | using kernel 4.8 with old initrd as workaround |
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| 09:02.53 | sw-tritum | hope i narrowed it down correctly, next i'll try to disable swap in fstab/crypttab and rebuild initrd for 4.9.0.2 |
| 09:03.23 | shtrb | can you try with forcing the swap to use a passphrase by user instead of reading a key ? |
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| 09:04.08 | sw-tritum | petn-randall: nope, testing with systemd 232-22, image 4.9.18-1, initramfs-tools 0.128 |
| 09:05.06 | sw-tritum | shtrb: i'll try that, too. report back here after lunch :) |
| 09:05.23 | Waheedi | 'm trying to build libboost 1.49 on ubuntu 16.04 and I'm having two targets failing. recipe for target 'build-stamp' and recipe for target 'clean' |
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| 09:06.20 | shtrb | Waheedi , that's not #ubuntu |
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| 09:06.42 | Waheedi | shtrb: its debian related |
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| 09:06.49 | Waheedi | the rules are debian rules |
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| 09:07.16 | Waheedi | shtrb do you know that? |
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| 09:08.15 | shtrb | unless you are building it on debian , the tools used (and package versions) on ubuntu are different |
| 09:08.28 | Waheedi | shtrb: thats right |
| 09:08.46 | mjau^ | hi folks! I've tried to read the manual but feel a little bit unclear on this: what's the difference between safe-upgrade and full-upgrade? |
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| 09:12.46 | greenit | hi, i'd like to use ufw in debian (unstable). do i have to deal with other firewalls (ufw is for iptables-config afaik) first if i want to use it? |
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| 09:16.16 | oohhoo | does debian snapshot has any API |
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| 09:20.48 | zeitsofa | https://www.aptly.info/doc/api/snapshots/ u mean this one? |
| 09:21.13 | petn-randall | greenit: Only if you have other firewalls installed. They all act on iptables as this is the only firewall interface in the kernel. |
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| 09:24.13 | greenit | is there another one installed by default? i didn't expicitly install one until now petn-randall |
| 09:24.22 | petn-randall | greenit: no |
| 09:24.39 | greenit | ok, so i should be good to go with ufw, thanks :) |
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| 09:29.19 | dez | debian-multimidia broke my vlc and i dunno what to do to fix it anymore |
| 09:30.03 | petn-randall | !deb-multimedia |
| 09:30.04 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 09:30.22 | dez | i already removed it |
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| 09:31.15 | dez | !dmm jessie |
| 09:31.15 | dpkg | If you really need deb-multimedia.org (are you sure your information isn't five years out of date?), then (as root): echo "deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ jessie main non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dmm.list; aptitude update && aptitude install deb-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. See <why not dmm>. |
| 09:31.52 | petn-randall | dez: You need to remove any packages you installed from dmm and replace them by the Debian packages. |
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| 09:32.16 | dez | i used the debian wiki to find the packages i installed from them |
| 09:32.24 | dez | the commands listed there |
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| 09:32.29 | dez | but i cant find any anymore |
| 09:32.43 | sine0 | when editing files inside of apache on my server i always save files move dirs etc and it saves as root and i have to chmod -R 775 chown -R www-data:www-data is there an easier quicker way of doing it ? |
| 09:33.16 | petn-randall | sine0: Don't edit them as root? |
| 09:33.53 | sine0 | ok so then i add my reg user to the www-data group ? |
| 09:34.32 | petn-randall | sine0: What is your "reg user"? |
| 09:34.45 | sine0 | sine |
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| 09:35.37 | sine0 | i want that user to be able to create and edit files |
| 09:36.07 | sine0 | i guess i just amke the files one time and chmod to www-data and add user to taht group to edit the files |
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| 09:37.18 | petn-randall | sine0: Why does your apache need to write to those files? |
| 09:37.29 | hexhaxtron | Is this line correct to allow user king to run mongo as root? king ALL=(ALL) /usr/bin/mongo |
| 09:37.45 | sine0 | never mind, i put on my big boy pants and did it |
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| 09:39.23 | petn-randall | hexhaxtron: Try it and see. It sounds like you're approached a problem from the wrong angle, though. |
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| 09:40.15 | blackflow | sine0: I'd advise you create a general user you log in with, don't use www-data for that. Your site files should be long to that user. Apache will read them fine if they're world readable, or make Apache part of that user's group and have the files group readable. |
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| 09:43.04 | user11_ | hi. could someone help me fix my swap partition? this is the error I am getting when my computer starts https://paste.debian.net/hidden/a17dd801/ |
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| 09:43.54 | user11_ | it is a fresh installation |
| 09:45.17 | petn-randall | user11_: Did you see the details yet? |
| 09:49.22 | user11_ | petn-randall: swapon[248]: swapon: /dev/sda3: read swap header failed | systemd[1]: dev-sda3.swap swap process exited, code=exited status=255 | systemd[1]: Failed to activate swap Swap Partition. | systemd[1]: Unit dev-sda3.swap entered failed state. |
| 09:51.40 | user11_ | Loaded: loaded | Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since <date> | What: /dev/sda3 | Docs: man:systemd-gtp-auto-generator(8) | Process: 248 ExecActivate=/sbin/swapon /dev/sda3 (code=exited, status=255) |
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| 09:51.55 | petn-randall | user11_: Looks like sda3 isn't formatted as swap. Did you manually partition the system? |
| 09:52.08 | user11_ | petn-randall: yes I did it manually |
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| 09:54.16 | petn-randall | user11_: Did you format it with mkswap? |
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| 09:55.34 | user11_ | petn-randall: oh no, I used the installation with the graphics |
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| 09:55.45 | user11_ | petn-randall: but I did it manually using it |
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| 09:56.08 | Jubei | I'm totally confused about upstart, systemv, systemd... which one is the latest/most modern? |
| 09:56.21 | petn-randall | Jubei: systemd is the one used by default in Debian. |
| 09:56.53 | dez | petn-randall, any idea on how should i proceed? |
| 09:57.23 | petn-randall | dez: How did you prepare the installation image? |
| 09:57.46 | dez | prepare the installation image? |
| 09:58.19 | petn-randall | dez: Yes, how did you install? |
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| 09:59.06 | dez | deb-multimidia stuff? |
| 09:59.15 | dez | through the terminal i think |
| 09:59.39 | dez | but ive uninstalled everything i installed since then and also followed the instructions on the wiki |
| 09:59.40 | petn-randall | dez: Oh sorry, mixed up some users in here. |
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| 10:00.31 | dez | im the idiot who broke his system with deb-multimidia |
| 10:00.41 | petn-randall | !dmm remove |
| 10:00.41 | dpkg | If you want to remove the packages from deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends $(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f; install the still missing packages which were removed in the former process ... |
| 10:00.47 | petn-randall | dez: You could try this ^^^ |
| 10:00.48 | dez | vlc dont work on a specific codec |
| 10:01.12 | dez | theres nothing in the unofficial multimedia packages thing |
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| 10:01.37 | blackflow | Are security fixes to Jessie blocked or slowed down during the freeze of Stretch? |
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| 10:01.46 | petn-randall | blackflow: no |
| 10:02.47 | dez | is the last one really that or an unicode error? -F%p) |
| 10:02.53 | petn-randall | blackflow: However, security fixes to *stretch* are slowed down during the freeze of stretch.. |
| 10:03.46 | petn-randall | dez: I'm assuming you should type it exactly as like it's there. |
| 10:03.46 | dez | dpkg: error: --remove needs at least one package name argument |
| 10:03.46 | dpkg | dez: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 10:03.49 | blackflow | petn-randall: yeah but I'm wondering about Jessie for now, there's a rather nasty remote vuln for bind9 already fixed upstream and in ubuntu, was wondering when it'll land in Jessie. |
| 10:04.20 | petn-randall | blackflow: CVE? |
| 10:04.32 | blackflow | petn-randall: CVE-2017-3137 |
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| 10:04.56 | blackflow | there are 4 open vulns in total for bind9 but I'm mostly interested in fixing -3137 |
| 10:05.33 | petn-randall | blackflow: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=860225 |
| 10:05.35 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/860225 in src:bind9 (open, fixed-upstream, patch, security, upstream): «bind9: CVE-2017-3137: A response packet can cause a resolver to terminate when processing an answer containing a CNAME or DNAME»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-04-13; last modified: 2017-04-13. |
| 10:05.51 | petn-randall | Hmm, a simple DoS. I'm guessing it's being worked on. |
| 10:05.52 | blackflow | petn-randall: yeah |
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| 10:07.51 | user11_ | petn-randall: i've been thinking that there may be something wrong with crypttab or fstab. could you read those if i were to post? |
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| 10:12.18 | petn-randall | user11_: http://paste.debian.net |
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| 10:21.38 | user11_ | petn-randall: fstab: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/26824be7 |
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| 10:24.35 | user11_ | petn-randall: crypttab https://paste.debian.net/hidden/6d247306 |
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| 10:25.37 | user11_ | i removed the ID's because they seem unique and i don't know what they mean |
| 10:26.06 | petn-randall | user11_: Oh, they're *encrypted*! |
| 10:26.48 | user11_ | petn-randall: yes. the debian page installation guide suggest that users encrypt /home, /tmp and swap |
| 10:27.35 | petn-randall | user11_: I would have just used guided partitioning, picked "encrypted LVM", and then everything would have been on the LVM. |
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| 10:29.11 | petn-randall | user11_: The error you showed somehow suggests that systemd is thinking the swap is on /dev/sda3, whereas it is on /dev/mapper/sda3_crypt. |
| 10:29.51 | user11_ | petn-randall: same for tmp? |
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| 10:30.22 | petn-randall | user11_: Probably. |
| 10:30.45 | user11_ | petn-randall: ok thanks. i will try that and if it won't work i will use LVM |
| 10:30.51 | petn-randall | user11_: Using a randomly encrypted swap will prevent you from being able to suspend to disk, though. |
| 10:31.16 | user11_ | petn-randall: suspend to disk? |
| 10:31.16 | petn-randall | user11_: If you have the time to spare I'd reinstall and use the guided, encrypted LVM. |
| 10:32.05 | petn-randall | user11_: It saves the system state to swap and powers off the machine. On resume you'll start off where you were before the suspend. |
| 10:32.18 | petn-randall | user11_: Sometimes it's called "hibernate". |
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| 10:35.02 | user11_ | petn-randall: changed sda3_crypt /dev/sda3 to sda3_crypt /dev/mapper/sda3_crypt and it's still giving me the error. maybe i should reinstall as you suggested |
| 10:35.23 | user11_ | thank you for saving the day once more, petn-randall |
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| 10:39.27 | BluesKaj | 'Morning folks |
| 10:39.48 | JyZyXEL | does debian have GPU stress tester? |
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| 10:42.35 | user11_ | petn-randall: by the way, swap has no mounting point? I though it was a file |
| 10:42.57 | thereyougo | JyZyXEL: for i in {1..1000}; do glxgears & done |
| 10:43.32 | JyZyXEL | im not sure that would put a good even stress on the gpu? |
| 10:43.36 | sypher | I somehow don't think that glxgears is a good stress test. |
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| 10:57.38 | blackflow | JyZyXEL: run some modern game in maximum graphics quality settings? :) |
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| 10:58.58 | JyZyXEL | blackflow: i found "Unigine Valley benchmark" and "geeks3d gputest" that have binaries for linux |
| 10:59.34 | blackflow | there's also that phoronix benchmarking thing that can do similar |
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| 11:00.45 | JyZyXEL | hmm, ill try that first since i have the most trust for phoronix |
| 11:01.35 | blackflow | "trust" and "phoronix" in the same sentence, oh my! :) |
| 11:01.51 | BluesKaj | JyZyXEL: good luck with that ;-) |
| 11:02.38 | JyZyXEL | michael would be shooting himself in the foot if he put something malicious in the test suite |
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| 11:03.01 | Cookies | asd\ |
| 11:03.05 | Cookies | Hello |
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| 11:07.28 | Cookies | SHit |
| 11:07.35 | Cookies | Anywone here |
| 11:07.57 | BluesKaj | no shit here |
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| 11:16.35 | thereyougo | "trust" and "phoronix" in the same sentence, what is wrong with "phoronix" ? and why is "phoronix" by the way ? |
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| 11:19.11 | blackflow | thereyougo: it's a benchmarking suite that's quite questionable from the standpoing of statistical sciences |
| 11:19.14 | leo-unglaub | hey friends, since 3 days i have a problem with php fpm. Around every 24 hours the process dies and i have to manually restaret it again |
| 11:19.16 | blackflow | *standpoint |
| 11:19.22 | leo-unglaub | athere is nothing in the logs |
| 11:19.24 | leo-unglaub | and ideas? |
| 11:20.13 | thereyougo | batman |
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| 11:21.32 | thereyougo | batman: what is that fpm even doing, any additional information ? paste any configs or logs |
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| 11:22.45 | thereyougo | "my programm doesn't works, any ideas ?", and chances are you will not get any help |
| 11:23.39 | blackflow | leo-unglaub: which logs? fpm has its own log iirc, if there's nothing on the syslog side. and process dying should be audited, does it segfault? |
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| 11:24.06 | toruvinn | leo-unglaub, out of curiosity, are you using apache with worker MPM? |
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| 11:24.49 | leo-unglaub | blackflow: i checked the fpm logs and the system logs including dmesg as well |
| 11:24.53 | toruvinn | i remember having trouble with mod_fcgi and mutexes, but dont remember exactly what it was. |
| 11:24.58 | leo-unglaub | nothing, no segfault, nothing |
| 11:25.12 | blackflow | leo-unglaub: how do you know it dies then? It's no longer running? |
| 11:25.14 | leo-unglaub | it just does not respond anymore until i restart the daemon |
| 11:25.20 | toruvinn | it was leaving countless zombies iirc. |
| 11:25.25 | blackflow | ah that's different from "process dies" |
| 11:25.56 | blackflow | leo-unglaub: what webserver? and how do you interface it with fpm? |
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| 11:27.07 | thereyougo | leo-unglaub: strace it ? |
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| 11:27.51 | leo-unglaub | blackflow: apache2.4 |
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| 11:28.12 | blackflow | leo-unglaub: and the other part of my question? |
| 11:28.28 | leo-unglaub | its included as a fastcgi handler |
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| 11:28.43 | leo-unglaub | using the socket instead of tcp to connect |
| 11:28.51 | blackflow | at any rate, if it's apache, like toruvinn said, those fastcgi mods can be quite faulty |
| 11:30.54 | leo-unglaub | hmm, but it has been running in that config for 4 years |
| 11:31.04 | leo-unglaub | and now all of the sudden it fails every 24 hours? |
| 11:31.37 | blackflow | leo-unglaub: could be wise to check Apache logs too |
| 11:31.49 | blackflow | iirc there's an error log |
| 11:32.08 | leo-unglaub | blackflow: already did. the global ones and the per vhost ones. nothing at all. even with the highest error log level |
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| 11:32.41 | toruvinn | leo-unglaub, check apache's error.log. anything about failing to lock mutexes coming from fcgi? |
| 11:32.58 | blackflow | leo-unglaub: which Debian? is there journald? Are you sure you've got logging configured correctly? |
| 11:33.19 | toruvinn | https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=53999 basically this. |
| 11:33.55 | toruvinn | i got rid of apache thanks to that. nginx is great. ;^) |
| 11:35.00 | blackflow | apache fastcgi has always been a nightmare for me, there are three modules for it, and each having some kind of problem so neither of them had a fully working solution. |
| 11:35.17 | blackflow | if you don't need .htaccess, I'd recommend nginx too |
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| 11:36.22 | r00trunner | how can i uninstall the gui of a jessie install? |
| 11:37.05 | r00trunner | so I basically want to convert a debian desktop install into a server install |
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| 11:37.54 | jelly | r00trunner: remove the task-*-desktop packages that are installed, and remove X |
| 11:37.59 | jelly | !remove x |
| 11:37.59 | dpkg | i guess remove x is "aptitude remove x11-common" will remove X. Use "purge" instead of remove if you also want to remove X's configuration. |
| 11:39.18 | BluesKaj | r00trunner: https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/debian-8-jessie-minimal-server/ |
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| 11:41.01 | r00trunner | BluesKaj: I've already have a dektop version installed. Reinstallation is not an option. |
| 11:41.38 | thereyougo | leo-unglaub: do you have APC ? |
| 11:41.44 | BluesKaj | well then follow what jelly posted ;-) |
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| 11:42.01 | BluesKaj | r00trunner: ^ |
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| 11:43.33 | r00trunner | BluesKaj: I will. Thanks anyways. Was the tasksel package removed in jessie? |
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| 11:43.49 | r00trunner | jelly: is it ok to remove those packages with autoremove --purge? |
| 11:44.21 | thereyougo | leo-unglaub: try these settings: "emergency_restart_threshold=3", "emergency_restart_interval=1m", "process_control_timeout=5s" |
| 11:44.33 | dcpc007 | hi all. How ssh-keygen choose the list of keys to generate by default (when no option -t is put) ? and how to change this default behavior please ? |
| 11:44.35 | leo-unglaub | thereyougo: i am going to give it a try |
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| 11:45.45 | thereyougo | leo-unglaub: also: http://myjeeva.com/php-fpm-configuration-101.html |
| 11:45.48 | dcpc007 | i need to find a common behavior between different os versions and different OS |
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| 11:48.20 | blackflow | dcpc007: you change the default with -t :) but all distros are using the one and the same OpenSSH which hasn't changed the logic of ssh-keygen in quite a while. RSA has always been a default iirc, and DSA has been deprecated with newer sshd servers and you shouldn't be using it anyway. |
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| 11:51.47 | dcpc007 | on some centos 7 (recent then) i have rsa + dsa + identity by default ... |
| 11:51.58 | dcpc007 | AND authorized_keys2 used !! |
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| 11:52.18 | dcpc007 | but it seems taht default is in compile option ant not in a config file .... |
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| 11:52.50 | blackflow | dcpc007: you mean when you run "ssh-keygen" ? or are you talking about defaults installed with the distro? |
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| 11:53.04 | dcpc007 | the default when using ssh-keygen |
| 11:53.20 | GenteelBen | grumble: is this true? |
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| 11:54.03 | dcpc007 | currently ssh keys were created on different servers ... and the i have not all users with the same type of keys. i think it's not a real problem ot have 3 keys and not oinly the rsa, |
| 11:54.28 | dcpc007 | but i don't like have different behaviors and have some config files for nothing (especially for sensible data) |
| 11:54.29 | blackflow | dcpc007: well then it seems RH is patching it to do so. but, what's the problem exactly? you can run ssh-keygen with -t and it should only create one pair of priv-pub keys |
| 11:54.38 | coke | sounds like you want to create all the keys in one central place and roll them out anyways |
| 11:54.57 | dcpc007 | when a user connect for the first time and no ssh keys, it generate them autmatically ... |
| 11:55.23 | blackflow | dcpc007: you're talking about sshd server keys, not ssh client private/public keys? |
| 11:55.37 | dcpc007 | i'm not sure but i suspect that even with a "only RSA key" user, on some servers the others keys could be generated ... don't understand why |
| 11:55.45 | dcpc007 | no user account ssh keys |
| 11:56.00 | dcpc007 | on nfs shared home dir |
| 11:56.01 | jelly | GenteelBen: keep comments on spam out of this channel, please |
| 11:56.07 | blackflow | dcpc007: is it in the account skel dir? I don't recall any distro doing that on connection |
| 11:56.12 | blackflow | certainly not the behavior of ssh |
| 11:56.18 | dcpc007 | ha ! |
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| 11:56.42 | dcpc007 | ok i'll check ... it's some important server that i don't configre myslef and not all the fine details tuned ... |
| 11:56.51 | blackflow | dcpc007: however, what coke suggested is a wise approach. pregenerate the keys as you want them and use in automation |
| 11:56.57 | blackflow | s/use/deploy/ |
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| 11:57.20 | dcpc007 | for me authorized_keys2 should not be used since 2001 ! then i 'm surprised to see it in recent server, even centos7 |
| 11:57.33 | blackflow | dcpc007: is there cpanel on that thing? |
| 11:57.40 | jelly | r00trunner: the remaining automatically installed deps? Yes, you said you don't need/want any of that stuff |
| 11:57.44 | dcpc007 | don't think, never used |
| 11:57.54 | blackflow | dcpc007: because that sounds a lot like cpanel |
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| 11:58.09 | blackflow | anyway, this is becoming offtopic for #debian, as #centos will have more info about their specific configs |
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| 11:58.15 | dcpc007 | i will check with a new account i will force with rsa only and see what happens after 1st connection |
| 11:59.07 | dcpc007 | yes, but if you want i'll try to make config fo rall servers here, not only debian ones ... i need to have a global approach . (and i hope one day use something like salt and multi os config for deploy) |
| 11:59.34 | blackflow | dcpc007: a global approach works for OpenSSH, you don't have to use authorized_keys2, nor the dsa keys pregenerated by the distro |
| 11:59.36 | dcpc007 | and my luck is to have to look too on RHEL and SUSE, and different versions ... |
| 11:59.58 | blackflow | dcpc007: you can simply wipe out ~/.ssh and put in there whatever keys and authorized_keys you want |
| 12:00.03 | dcpc007 | yes, a few monthes ago, i don't know it exists :) |
| 12:00.21 | dcpc007 | 1st time i see lthe *2 file |
| 12:00.22 | blackflow | if it is OpenSSH, it works uniformly across all distros, regardless of distro defaults |
| 12:01.18 | blackflow | the only difference I've noted is the location of sftp internal executable, it's different between, say, Debian and FreeBSD |
| 12:02.23 | dcpc007 | ok i confirm ... i delete my dsa and identoty file .. do a ssh user@centos and it create again dsa and identity file + put in the 2 authorized_files :-( |
| 12:02.39 | dcpc007 | same on my debian don't do this :-( |
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| 12:02.48 | dcpc007 | i hate centos ... |
| 12:03.19 | dcpc007 | but debian not supported by most of official vendors then no support if i go full debian ... boring +++ |
| 12:03.23 | blackflow | dcpc007: make a habit to avoid DSA, it's being deprecated |
| 12:03.30 | dcpc007 | yes, i would :) |
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| 12:04.17 | dcpc007 | that's my final goal .. a simple config with only di_rsa + pub, known_host and authorized_keys like on my "old" servers |
| 12:04.33 | blackflow | but like I said, you can wipe out the default ~/.ssh and create your own, regardless of distro |
| 12:04.35 | dcpc007 | at least i know it's this "new" centos that create the problem |
| 12:04.56 | dcpc007 | read , i just do, and all "missing" files are recreated at the ssh connection |
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| 12:06.45 | blackflow | dcpc007: is that a problem, beside having cruft you don't want? |
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| 12:09.02 | dcpc007 | https://paste.debian.net/928341/ |
| 12:09.53 | dcpc007 | not sure, but ihad to recreate some keys sometime and then i manage only rsa key ... why keep unwanted / unused identity/securty files |
| 12:10.05 | dcpc007 | not really a good thing too |
| 12:10.08 | blackflow | dcpc007: ask in #centos, surely there's a way to prevent that, could be skel or shell rc files doing that |
| 12:10.26 | blackflow | it's not something openssh does itself |
| 12:10.33 | dcpc007 | yes, dooing it in // |
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| 12:10.47 | dcpc007 | default options seems in compilation options too .. not config file |
| 12:13.21 | blackflow | you're overthinking this. if you want to automate ssh key deployments across different distros you can do that easily, just don't rely on distro defaults, and in case of centos try to block that default behavior |
| 12:14.10 | dcpc007 | yes but even after the good configuratioin, it changes when used |
| 12:14.25 | dcpc007 | waiting centos answers |
| 12:14.37 | dcpc007 | i test on my "old" computer on centos 6, not this problem ... |
| 12:14.50 | dcpc007 | maybe it's a bad configuration on this serveur ... |
| 12:15.12 | dcpc007 | ppl who installed it are not here naymore :-( |
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| 12:26.57 | nath | morning everybody, I gut a problem with exim4 after an Upgrade (I'm on "stretch" - testing), output is as follows: https://paste.debian.net/928348/ |
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| 12:27.37 | nath | I have been looking it up on the net but the 2 Options i found did not do it. |
| 12:27.54 | nath | apt install -f >> same output |
| 12:28.02 | sypher | !testing |
| 12:28.03 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 12:28.47 | nath | sypher: Sorry! THX |
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| 12:30.33 | jolt | nath: I would make sure that exim4 user can write to /run/exim4/exim.pid (/run/exim4/). If that is the case, delete all rows in the paniclog and restart again. |
| 12:30.57 | jolt | Oh, darn |
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| 12:43.56 | dbristow | Is it possible to have sudo rights to a shell script as another user? |
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| 12:44.21 | dbristow | for example: user ALL=(other-user) NOPASSWD: /path/to/shell/script.sh |
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| 12:45.23 | dbristow | Used like this: sudo -u other-user /path/to/shell/script.sh |
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| 12:54.32 | jolt | dbristow: yes: user1 ALL=(user2) NOPASSWD: /home/user2/bin/test.sh |
| 12:54.38 | jolt | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6905697/how-to-run-script-as-another-user-without-password |
| 12:55.20 | jolt | (haven't tried it myself though) |
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| 13:14.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libopencv-dev |
| 13:14.52 | judd | Package: libopencv-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.3.1-11+deb7u1; jessie: 2.4.9.1+dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch: 2.4.9.1+dfsg1-2; sid: 2.4.9.1+dfsg1-2; experimental: 3.1.0+dfsg-1~exp3 |
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| 13:15.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh⦠3.x is only in experimental |
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| 13:25.38 | CarlFK | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=785149 may be fixed by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1656048 |
| 13:25.39 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/785149 in grub-installer (open, d-i, patch): «grub-installer: NVMe boot drives not supported»; severity: important; opened: 2015-05-12; last modified: 2017-04-19. |
| 13:26.42 | CarlFK | I have installed stretch, rebooted into rescue, I can wget stuff. how do I get/install the patched version ? |
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| 13:54.11 | rapha | Epakai: indeed, you were right, the username turned out to be Debian-gdm ... thank you! |
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| 14:06.20 | tx | anxiously awaits to see if kde plasma 5.9 makes it into next stable. |
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| 14:06.47 | greycat | stretch has been frozen for a while now. |
| 14:06.55 | greycat | If it's not in stretch, it's not going to be. |
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| 14:07.50 | tx | #testing4lyf then. :) |
| 14:08.21 | greycat | fvwm 4 lyf "What? It's what year? Ehh, who cares." |
| 14:08.59 | han-solo | fvwm? |
| 14:09.04 | han-solo | which window manager? |
| 14:09.06 | tx | Another window manager. |
| 14:09.12 | greycat | ,popcon fvwm |
| 14:09.13 | judd | Popcon data for fvwm: inst: 1603, vote: 349, old: 1200, recent: 54, nofiles: 0 |
| 14:09.18 | tx | I think it stands for F virtual window manager. |
| 14:09.21 | han-solo | ah |
| 14:09.29 | han-solo | okay |
| 14:09.47 | tx | And aye, gone are the days of i3wm. :) |
| 14:09.53 | tx | went mainstream. |
| 14:09.57 | greycat | If you like it, it's not gone. |
| 14:10.06 | greycat | Use whatever you want. |
| 14:10.12 | tx | From my life it is. |
| 14:10.18 | BluesKaj | stretch has had a few upgrades in the last week |
| 14:10.19 | tx | but it will always hold a place in my heart. |
| 14:10.26 | rpd_ | ,popcon wmaker |
| 14:10.36 | judd | Popcon data for wmaker: inst: 1404, vote: 267, old: 1039, recent: 96, nofiles: 2 |
| 14:10.44 | tx | BluesKaj: only minor ones, something as big as KDE Plasma would be very unlikely to make it at this stage. |
| 14:10.50 | missmbob | BluesKaj: those are rc fixes |
| 14:10.54 | rpd_ | wmaker the one and only :D |
| 14:11.33 | greycat | !start a wm war |
| 14:11.33 | dpkg | GNOME makes me vomit! |
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| 14:12.24 | BluesKaj | tx: I'm running KDE/Plasma, but no big changes makes it look like the big ones are already behind us |
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| 14:12.46 | missmbob | yes. when it froze. :P |
| 14:13.08 | BluesKaj | haven't been monitoring the freeze |
| 14:13.12 | rpd_ | greycat: just wanted to see the distribution :D |
| 14:13.23 | rpd_ | ,popcon wmii |
| 14:13.24 | judd | Popcon data for wmii: inst: 225, vote: 84, old: 137, recent: 4, nofiles: 0 |
| 14:13.30 | rpd_ | ,popcon dwm |
| 14:13.31 | judd | Popcon data for dwm: inst: 811, vote: 93, old: 687, recent: 30, nofiles: 1 |
| 14:13.41 | greycat | /msg judd popcon ... |
| 14:13.46 | tx | popcon has a website too |
| 14:13.48 | tx | with graphs and all! |
| 14:14.13 | rpd_ | sweet |
| 14:14.16 | tx | http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 14:14.41 | tx | Poor i386, on the way out it seems. |
| 14:14.43 | tx | :) |
| 14:15.00 | greycat | I'm sure it'll be around for at least another decade or two. |
| 14:15.23 | BluesKaj | what are the gamers gonna do, a lot of games are still 32bit |
| 14:15.35 | greycat | That's one of the many reasons. |
| 14:16.11 | han-solo | sadly, i still use GNOME, it's been some time i have been wanting to switch to KDE4 |
| 14:16.25 | missmbob | maybe they meant that stretch only supports 586 and higher |
| 14:16.26 | greycat | And two decades puts us right up near the 32-bit time_t deadline. |
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| 14:16.37 | rpd_ | tx: love the graphs, puts the popularity in perspective over a nice 10+ yr period |
| 14:16.38 | BluesKaj | KDE4? a bit late for that |
| 14:16.48 | han-solo | why? |
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| 14:16.56 | han-solo | i haven't tried any kde yet though |
| 14:17.06 | han-solo | rooting for 2038 :} |
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| 14:18.04 | BluesKaj | nadley: not much devel going on, now that kde/plasma5 has been around for almost 2 yrs |
| 14:18.12 | BluesKaj | han-solo: ^ |
| 14:18.16 | han-solo | 'ah |
| 14:18.20 | BluesKaj | sorrry nadley |
| 14:18.25 | han-solo | :} |
| 14:21.31 | BluesKaj | Debian Stretch handles the kde/plasma5 desktop much more smothly than Kubuntu Zesty 17.04 IME |
| 14:21.46 | han-solo | hmm |
| 14:22.06 | han-solo | will try it then |
| 14:22.07 | han-solo | thanks |
| 14:22.15 | BluesKaj | especially if one uses activities |
| 14:22.57 | CarlFK | how do I anna-install http://turul.canonical.com/pool/main/g/grub-installer/grub-installer_1.128ubuntu8_arm64.udeb ? |
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| 14:23.21 | greycat | Wow, kde package version numbers are confusing. |
| 14:23.59 | han-solo | which wm do you use greycat ? |
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| 14:24.46 | greycat | In stretch, there's kde-standard (version 92) which depends on things like kde-plasma-desktop (version 92) and kmail (version 16.04.0) |
| 14:25.01 | greycat | han-solo: I thought I already made it clear I use fvwm |
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| 14:25.54 | han-solo | ah. Sorry, i though you were just making a joke :} |
| 14:26.14 | greycat | wooledg 918 913 0 Apr17 tty1 00:00:06 fvwm |
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| 14:26.38 | BluesKaj | CarlFK: sudo dpkg -i grub-installer_1.128ubuntu8_arm64.udeb |
| 14:27.03 | BluesKaj | open the terminal in the containing folder |
| 14:27.04 | han-solo | hmm |
| 14:27.17 | CarlFK | BluesKaj: -sh: dpkg: not found |
| 14:27.27 | lixus | i want to log an "apt-get dist-upgrade" with "script" (typescript), how can i make sure apt-get is just using text mode and not ncurses/dialog when interactive quetions need to be answered ? |
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| 14:28.11 | CarlFK | BluesKaj: I booted into stretch rescue shell |
| 14:28.36 | greycat | lixus: dpkg-reconfigure debconf, according to man dpkg-reconfigure |
| 14:28.38 | CarlFK | BluesKaj: thus needing to use anna stuff. which I don't really ... get |
| 14:28.44 | BluesKaj | CarlFK: use the path to the package or open the terminal in the folder where the package is located |
| 14:28.58 | greycat | BluesKaj: he's missing dpkg, not the .udeb file |
| 14:29.12 | BluesKaj | oh sorry |
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| 14:31.04 | BluesKaj | running debian without dpkg, how can that be? |
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| 14:31.17 | greycat | he's not in Debian yet |
| 14:31.39 | greycat | he's inside the installer, and he either hasn't installed yet, or he hasn't chrooted into his installed Debian system yet |
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| 14:32.49 | aypea[3] | ffs. how could you not give an easy mechanism to not start an array on boot? :/ |
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| 14:33.18 | BluesKaj | ok greycat, guess I should have read the url more closely |
| 14:33.48 | CarlFK | yep. installer hit: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=785149 - that ubuntu udeb might fix it |
| 14:33.49 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/785149 in grub-installer (open, d-i, patch): «grub-installer: NVMe boot drives not supported»; severity: important; opened: 2015-05-12; last modified: 2017-04-19. |
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| 14:37.27 | thadtheman | Can anyone help me with my script? |
| 14:37.29 | thadtheman | https://pastebin.com/m7vi7Q6b |
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| 14:40.36 | sypher | thadtheman: Is that script (that I didn't read because pastebin is terrible) somehow relevant to a Debian-specific issue? Otherwise, you may want whatever channel corresponds to whatever language your script is written in. |
| 14:40.53 | Jubei | I'm wondering why on debian 8.0 there are scripts under /etc/init.d if Debian has moved to systemd |
| 14:41.11 | greycat | not every package has been fully converted |
| 14:41.18 | ksk | Jubei: some packages do not have systemd unit files. |
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| 14:41.39 | Shadur | Because we don't throw something away just because we don't have a use for it anymore right now. |
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| 14:41.59 | greycat | If a specific package has no systemd unit file, but does have an init.d script, then systemd will use a sysv-rc emulation layer to manage it as best it can. |
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| 14:43.27 | Jubei | so systemd is still reading these scripts? |
| 14:43.42 | Jubei | I shoudn't.. delete them or anything :) |
| 14:43.52 | greycat | correct |
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| 14:44.27 | thadtheman | sypher: it is bash. zsh awk. So which channel should I ask in? |
| 14:44.44 | greycat | It is bash, or is it zsh? |
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| 14:45.05 | thadtheman | I did try linux, but they are too busy BSing about Windows to answer linux questions. |
| 14:45.33 | thadtheman | greycat: It's a bash script called from zsh. |
| 14:45.40 | thadtheman | Check it out. |
| 14:45.44 | greycat | If it's a zsh script ask #zsh. If it's a bash script, ask #bash. But I'll warn you, don't just slam the pastebin URL at us and say "SLAVES, READ THIS AND READ MY MIND AND TELL ME WHAT I WANTED" |
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| 14:46.08 | tw | but for the sake of telepathy, most likely you have the ! outside the ( when you intended it inside. |
| 14:46.10 | greycat | We will expect you to explain what the goal is, what you tried, and what went wrong. |
| 14:46.15 | Jubei | in my case, however, I'm noticing that a daemon has something both under init.d AND under /etc/systemd/system/ |
| 14:47.03 | thadtheman | greycat: If you look at the pastebin, it will be self explanatory. It's all there including output. |
| 14:47.15 | greycat | Yeah, THAT is precisely what gets you on /ignore. |
| 14:47.26 | greycat | Which you now are. |
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| 14:47.42 | sypher | thadtheman: We tried to warn you. |
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| 14:48.52 | thadtheman | sypher: RThat greycat is nutso? |
| 14:49.19 | Shadur | thadtheman: No, that you were being an asshole and more likely to get ignored than helped with that attitude. |
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| 14:52.51 | someboy | Hi all. |
| 14:53.00 | someboy | How do I restart the iptables in jessie? |
| 14:53.24 | petn-randall | someboy: ipables is not a daemon, there's nothing to restart. |
| 14:53.26 | petn-randall | !goal |
| 14:53.26 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
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| 14:53.49 | someboy | petn-randall: I did open a port |
| 14:54.05 | Stummi | someboy, what does this has to do with iptables? |
| 14:54.12 | Jubei | someboy do sudo iptables -L to see what's currently happening |
| 14:54.17 | someboy | but I don't see the entry when I do iptables -t nat -L |
| 14:54.45 | Stummi | someboy, than you should be fine. No entries means everything is allowed |
| 14:54.46 | Jubei | someboy if you don't see the entry then it means the command you used to insert it into the table probably failed. |
| 14:55.00 | petn-randall | someboy: Can you provide the command + output you used? And also the output of 'iptables -L -vn' and 'iptables -t nat -L -vn'. â http://paste.debian.net. |
| 14:55.05 | greycat | I'm guessing the question is "how do I make my iptables rules get loaded when I boot" |
| 14:55.13 | Stummi | oh, I thought with "open a port" he means he started a daemon listening on a tcp port or something |
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| 14:56.10 | thadtheman | Shadur. It is basically a one-line script. There is a lot more added simply to display problems. Including the output of the script a bit of the input ( not all because as you can see there are hundreds of thousands of lines ). If there is something that is missing tellme. It's not apporpriate for any "language" because it is an awk script called from a bash script. I have no idea where the interaction fails. In fact |
| 14:56.10 | thadtheman | the only reason it is an awk script is that I don't know how to do a grep that excludes all lines that match two regular expressions. Then it would be a bash script that calls grep. |
| 14:57.02 | thadtheman | What I was trying to do is write a script that strips irc logs of all "has joined" and "has quit" messages. |
| 14:58.15 | Jubei | is there some way to check if some script in /etc/init.d is actually used by systemd? |
| 14:58.15 | greycat | "I opened a port" is usually shorthand for "I am using a deny-by-default policy firewall, and then I created an exception to allow incoming traffic on one specific port" |
| 14:58.23 | greycat | Except they usually get something wrong, so it ends up not being that. |
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| 14:58.40 | greycat | Jubei: systemctl status SERVICENAME will show you where it read stuff from |
| 14:59.20 | greycat | E.g. jessie's apache2 shows that it reads from /etc/init.d/apache2 and /lib/systemd/system/apache2.service.d/forking.conf which is ... interesting. |
| 14:59.42 | Jubei | greycat it shows me that it's using the systemd script, not the init script. So I guess it's safe to delete it. It would be nice to have a way of knowing if that init script is ever used (not only currently) |
| 14:59.50 | thadtheman | Jubei, modify that script so it writes something to /tmp/the_scriptname_hasbeen_called then ls /tmp. |
| 14:59.59 | greycat | A systemd unit file has priority. |
| 15:00.40 | jaboja | What is newest version of Iceweasel which is the real Iceweasel and not dummy for Firefox? |
| 15:00.51 | greycat | ? |
| 15:00.52 | Jubei | thank you all. |
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| 15:01.02 | greycat | wonders what "the real Iceweasel" means |
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| 15:14.39 | ackb | does anyone know a quick fix for https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-43492 ? |
| 15:16.23 | timholum | I have a module that adds usb over spi, I am wondering how I would configure which spi port to have it use? ( a link to the kernel module http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/usb/host/max3421-hcd.c?v=4.4 ) |
| 15:17.16 | petn-randall | ackb: Looks like you require java8 but the package doesn't depend on it yet. |
| 15:17.32 | petn-randall | ,v default-jre-headless |
| 15:17.33 | judd | Package: default-jre-headless on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.6-47; wheezy-security: 1:1.7-47+deb7u2; jessie: 2:1.7-52; stretch: 2:1.8-58; sid: 2:1.8-58 |
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| 15:17.55 | petn-randall | ,v openjdk-8-jre-headless |
| 15:17.56 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jre-headless on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u121-b13-1~bpo8+1; sid: 8u121-b13-4; stretch: 8u121-b13-4 |
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| 15:18.25 | ackb | petn-randall, yes, the last comment suggests an updated debian package might be out by now, but how do you check whats installed/available and the dependency specs of the deb ? |
| 15:18.31 | petn-randall | ackb: Installing openjdk-8-jre-headless from jessie-backports /should/ fix the problem (from what I've read in the bug report, but untested by me). |
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| 15:18.41 | ackb | apt-get upgrade says it skipped jenkins |
| 15:18.48 | petn-randall | ,v jenkins |
| 15:18.49 | judd | No package named 'jenkins' was found in amd64. |
| 15:18.51 | ackb | but apt-get dist-upgrade does not update jenkins either |
| 15:19.13 | petn-randall | ackb: That's a strong hint that you're already running the current jenkins package. |
| 15:19.38 | greycat | !jessie-backports |
| 15:19.39 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 15:19.45 | ackb | petn-randall, http://dpaste.com/04MZEGZ |
| 15:20.12 | petn-randall | ackb: Yes, we already established that. |
| 15:20.36 | ackb | java -version is 1.7.0_121 |
| 15:20.45 | ackb | so I didn't get the update to 1.8 yet |
| 15:20.52 | greycat | ackb: install the openjdk-8-jre-headless package from jessie-backports |
| 15:21.05 | petn-randall | ackb: "get"? You have to install it by hand from backports. |
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| 15:23.45 | ackb | greycat, apt-get install openjdk-8-jre-headless http://dpaste.com/17QQ9YN |
| 15:24.00 | greycat | That is not the correct command to install a pkg from jessie-backports. |
| 15:24.12 | ackb | ah |
| 15:24.24 | ackb | -t jessie-backports ok |
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| 15:33.33 | tw | timholum: You need to configure your device tree entries for your chip and board. |
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| 15:37.18 | timholum | tw: do you know of any documentation for doing that? |
| 15:38.46 | tw | The kernel docs are the only ones I know, sorry. Here's the one for spi: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/spi/spi-bus.txt |
| 15:38.55 | tw | It's pretty out of scope for #debian though =/ |
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| 15:39.55 | timholum | tw: Thanks, That gives me a direction to start digging in |
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| 16:22.45 | alekz | brb |
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| 16:25.08 | newlinux | Hi what format on my USB should I use to install debian? |
| 16:25.17 | newlinux | FAT32 would be good? |
| 16:26.06 | petn-randall | newlinux: You want to install Debian onto the USB stick? |
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| 16:26.25 | newlinux | no I want install debian on my hard drive from the USB |
| 16:26.55 | alekz | newlinux: you can try Etcher |
| 16:27.01 | petn-randall | newlinux: Then you don't format it at all, just copy the image onto the blank device. |
| 16:27.03 | alekz | it's a nice tool to create booting usb from .iso files |
| 16:27.10 | newlinux | what is Etcher? |
| 16:27.10 | petn-randall | !etcher |
| 16:27.11 | dpkg | etcher is, like, initial testing shows etcher is not a reliable way to copy debian images for installation. instead use cp or dd for linux, or win32diskimager for windows. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 16:27.33 | alekz | dpkg knows everything :P |
| 16:27.33 | dpkg | alekz: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 16:27.33 | petn-randall | newlinux: It's bad advice, see above. |
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| 16:27.45 | newlinux | no I will use win32diskimager to copy file to file from .iso to USB, can I use FAT32? |
| 16:27.46 | maurer | I've got a debian jessie system with a large number of drives which I just upgraded from kernel 3.13 to 3.16 in response to repeated CPU soft lockups. With 3.16, it no longer boots, saying it can't find /dev/disk/by-uuid/UUID-HERE |
| 16:28.01 | alekz | didn't know this problem with etcher and debian |
| 16:28.05 | maurer | If I boot 13 from the grub menu, it boots successfully |
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| 16:28.24 | petn-randall | newlinux: Any partitions and filesystems on the usb stick will be overwritten, you don't need to format/partition it at all. |
| 16:28.32 | maurer | If I go into the initramfs in the failed 16 boot and look around, drives /dev/sda-/dev/sdk are all present, but there is only one entry in /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 16:28.35 | maurer | Ideas? |
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| 16:29.29 | newlinux | petn-randall: so win32diskimager will format it for me or what? |
| 16:29.41 | dax | newlinux: the disk image .iso contains a filesystem and it will use that filesystem |
| 16:30.00 | newlinux | dax: so it really doesnt matter what format the USB has? |
| 16:30.03 | dax | correct |
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| 16:30.20 | dax | the entire disk gets overwritten, filesystem and partition table and all |
| 16:30.26 | newlinux | ok thank you |
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| 16:34.56 | petn-randall | Three times is the charm. |
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| 16:38.24 | jaboja | btw, is it possible to install Debian or Ubuntu on a flashdrive and just use it that way? Or will it be slower or eat more memory than installed on HD? |
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| 16:40.37 | petn-randall | jaboja: Most USB sticks are much slower, so booting and working with it will be painful. Also USB stick memory isn't always reliable. |
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| 16:41.25 | jaboja | Will it help if it shared swap space with my main OS on HD? |
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| 16:47.09 | petn-randall | jaboja: hardly |
| 16:47.13 | Stochastic | Are there any serious consequences to expanding an ext4 partition? |
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| 16:47.26 | petn-randall | Stochastic: You might end up with more free space. |
| 16:47.39 | Stochastic | petn-randall: huh? |
| 16:48.38 | Stochastic | petn-randall: care to elaborate a bit, please? |
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| 16:51.31 | petn-randall | Stochastic: If you expand a ext4 partition, you end up having more free space on the filesystem. |
| 16:51.43 | Stochastic | petn-randall: is that a joke or something? |
| 16:51.57 | kruug | where would I find `libdbus-c++.so.5` on my system? |
| 16:52.30 | jhutchins_wk_ | kruug: you could use locate |
| 16:52.56 | petn-randall | Stochastic: It depends. Would you expect a different answer? |
| 16:53.24 | Stochastic | petn-randall: X_X |
| 16:53.41 | kruug | jhutchins_wk_: Thanks! I was trying to figure out `find` |
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| 16:54.39 | jhutchins_wk_ | kruug: That's a good possibility, find / -name "libdbus*" |
| 16:54.54 | jhutchins_wk_ | It gets a little lost on root searches. |
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| 16:55.20 | jhutchins_wk_ | kruug: I don't have that file on my system. |
| 16:56.27 | kruug | jhutchins_wk_: yeah, I couldn't figure out syntax for `find` |
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| 17:04.30 | jhutchins_wk_ | kruug: Basic use is find <starting from> -name "<name>*" |
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| 17:05.49 | jhutchins_wk_ | jaboja: There are "live" images that are optimized to run off of slow medial like CDs or pen drives. They mostly run in RAM. |
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| 17:09.31 | Stochastic | Just resized my home; is resizing going to affect this partition's performance now? |
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| 17:11.06 | jhutchins_wk_ | Stochastic: How do you think it would do that? |
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| 17:11.23 | Stochastic | jhutchins_wk_: I don't know if it does that, so I'm asking X_X |
| 17:11.30 | Stochastic | I don't know what I don't know! |
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| 17:12.34 | jhutchins_wk_ | Stochastic: It will change the time it takes to format it, it will change the time it takes to fsck it. |
| 17:12.50 | Stochastic | jhutchins_wk_: oh. Ok. |
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| 17:13.20 | jhutchins_wk_ | It would take very precise equipment to see the difference in random seek times caused by having to seek over a larger or smaller area of the disk. |
| 17:13.23 | Stochastic | afaik, mkfs.ext4 says that it does some allocation stuff for a particular size |
| 17:13.44 | Stochastic | So, I wonder if something's "different" now that I resized it |
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| 17:13.56 | jhutchins_wk_ | Stochastic: Really, nothing that you'll notice. |
| 17:13.57 | Stochastic | But, whatever |
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| 17:14.56 | greycat | The main difference is that it'll hold more stuff. |
| 17:15.59 | `Kevin | Stochastic: performance would only noticeably degrade if somehow you skewd block size and/or the start block of the partition thus throwing off partition alignment |
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| 17:16.35 | Stochastic | `Kevin: didn't do either. Thanks for the detailed answer. :) |
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| 17:23.49 | glaucom | hi all |
| 17:23.56 | glaucom | i need help install samba. |
| 17:24.59 | glaucom | https://pastebin.com/HwSNGKsm |
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| 17:26.13 | sypher | !ask |
| 17:26.13 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:27.46 | greycat | You pasted the output of some command, probably an apt-get command, but you didn't show the command itself. You also didn't provide any background on WHY your system is broken. Did you change sources.list? Did you download a samba .deb file from a random web site and try to install it? |
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| 17:34.48 | CyberJacob | Evening |
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| 17:34.58 | Sark | How can I force xorg to ignore the lack of EDID data from my monitor and just do what I tell it to? |
| 17:35.03 | CyberJacob | I'm having an issue with aptitude refusing to do anything useful with the error "E: Can't find a source to download version '3.12.9~git20141130.241663-1' of 'evolution-common:amd64'" |
| 17:35.17 | CyberJacob | I don't even want evolution... |
| 17:35.36 | greycat | It's probably a dependency of something else that you did ask for. |
| 17:35.41 | CyberJacob | Is there a way to tell Aptitude to uninstall and remove it? |
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| 17:36.25 | greycat | There's "aptitude why". |
| 17:36.47 | CyberJacob | If I don't have X installed, is there any reason to have tk8.6? |
| 17:37.14 | greycat | "aptitude why tk8.6" |
| 17:37.41 | CyberJacob | i expect Recommends tk8.6 |
| 17:38.14 | CyberJacob | but I can't remove tk because of that error |
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| 17:42.34 | CyberJacob | greycat: any ideas? |
| 17:43.51 | greycat | So you want to know why evolution-common is deemed necessary. |
| 17:44.03 | greycat | If only you knew of a command that could tell you why the package manager was doing things. |
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| 17:45.13 | Sark | My xorg.conf - http://paste.debian.net/928415/ and the log output - http://paste.debian.net/928416/ X just refuses to use the mode I specify, because it thinks the monitor isn't connected. |
| 17:45.14 | CyberJacob | I know why, and it's not |
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| 17:45.25 | CyberJacob | it's a reccomendation of a reccomendation from the `expect` package |
| 17:45.44 | CyberJacob | but regardless of that, I can't remove it or `expect` because of that error |
| 17:45.51 | Sark | The monitor works fine, as does the card. I know the modeline is good. It's just that the monitor doesn't support EDID so it doesn't think it's plugged in. |
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| 17:47.18 | Sark | So how can I just tell X to trust me, there IS a monitor there, just display the mode I'm telling it to display. |
| 17:47.32 | greycat | 13:47 Ignoring MSGS from pcz |
| 17:47.38 | greycat | err, that was for #bash |
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| 17:48.29 | greycat | Sark: probably by creating xorg.conf.d fragments. Ask #xorg? |
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| 17:51.00 | JyZyXEL | what is the simplest/fastest performing method of remote desktopping into a LAN connected debian desktop? |
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| 17:53.00 | CyberJacob | JyZyXEL: VNC? |
| 17:53.17 | JyZyXEL | i think it has very poor performance? |
| 17:54.45 | JyZyXEL | hmmm, well apparently its not that bad after all |
| 17:55.02 | Sark | OK, I asked over in #xorg too, and I'll keep an eye on it, I know that's not a real active channel. |
| 17:55.37 | Sark | But at the moment, I'm tearing my hair out. I have tried every trick I have seen mentioned, and added every variant of "ignoreEDID" that I have found. |
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| 17:57.54 | CyberJacob | Sark: do you have a Monitor section in your xorg.conf? |
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| 17:59.22 | greycat | I would personally start out by just creating a Monitor *fragment* in xorg.conf.d instead of making an entire xorg.conf file. |
| 18:00.36 | Sark | CyberJacob: Yes. I have defined absolutely everything in my xorg.conf |
| 18:00.52 | CyberJacob | Sark: got the right Identifier? |
| 18:00.56 | Sark | My xorg.conf - http://paste.debian.net/928415/ and the log output - http://paste.debian.net/928416/ |
| 18:01.04 | Sark | Yes. |
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| 18:01.59 | CyberJacob | Sark: we looking at the NEC or the Radius Pivot? |
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| 18:02.10 | Sark | The Radius. |
| 18:02.36 | Sark | The NEC doesn't support EDID either, afaik, but the computer does see that it's connected. |
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| 18:02.52 | CyberJacob | I'm guessing it should be 640x870? |
| 18:02.57 | Sark | In the log, you can see that it ignores the modeline for the Radius, and just makes up something when it thinks VGA-2 is disconnected. |
| 18:03.05 | Sark | Yes. That is the mode, that is the only mode that monitor supports. |
| 18:04.32 | CyberJacob | Sark: did you add the mode using xrandr? |
| 18:04.45 | Sark | xrandr doesn't see the other display |
| 18:05.39 | CyberJacob | doesn't see? |
| 18:05.52 | Sark | It doesn't list it. |
| 18:06.11 | Sark | At least, I don't think so. It only shows the one card. |
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| 18:07.17 | CyberJacob | Where did you get the modeline from? |
| 18:07.46 | Sark | I computed it based on the capabilities of the monitor. |
| 18:07.55 | Sark | The modeline does work, I've used it before. |
| 18:08.20 | CyberJacob | if you do `cvt 640 870 75`, does that give you the same modeline? |
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| 18:08.30 | aja22 | hey, im new to linux. for a web server that has a public ip and a private ip, what IP should i use for the full hostname? |
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| 18:08.40 | Sark | The previous graphics card I was using would work with it fine, but it would crash X after it was running for a few minutes because the 3DFX driver didn't play nice with the nvidia one. |
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| 18:09.07 | mefistofeles | aja22: if you want to connect from the outside of your Local Network, you have to use the public IP |
| 18:09.24 | mefistofeles | aja22: but you have to make sure the ports are opened and forwared by the ISP or whatever setup you need |
| 18:09.28 | CyberJacob | ok, then try `xrandir --newmode "640x870@75" 65.26 640 672 912 944 870 886 897 914 -HSync +Vsync`, what does that say? |
| 18:09.36 | greycat | aja22: whatever you put in /etc/hosts is 99.9% irrelevant. Your web server is driven by DNS and by your web server configs. |
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| 18:11.01 | CyberJacob | Sark: and then `xrandr --addmode VGA-2 640x870@75` (might need to escape the @s on both of those) |
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| 18:11.20 | greycat | @ isn't special to any shells |
| 18:11.57 | CyberJacob | Sark: then finally, `xrandr --output VGA-2 --mode 640x870@75` |
| 18:11.57 | Sark | cannot find output VGA-2 |
| 18:12.09 | Sark | It took the mode just fine |
| 18:12.20 | Sark | But doesn't believe in the existance of VGA-2 |
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| 18:12.50 | CyberJacob | Strange, because that's what X calls it in the log |
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| 18:13.54 | CyberJacob | Sark: does `xrandr -q` or `lshw -c video` find it? |
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| 18:16.26 | Sark | does not show up when I do xrandr -q |
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| 18:16.35 | Sark | shows up in lshw and in lspci |
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| 18:20.05 | Sark | Now, if I type those commands in for VGA-1, and swap the monitor over to the first graphics card, it works perfectly. |
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| 18:23.24 | Sark | So, the monitor and the modeline are good. |
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| 19:36.47 | indistylo | I am getting low disk space warning: https://ibb.co/dzxgkk, Can someone help how to get rid of it, disk stats, df and du profiles: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24415682/, How to know the root cause? Kindly suggest solution for disk fill up |
| 19:38.22 | phogg | indistylo: are you sure you're running Debian? |
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| 19:39.03 | missmbob | idmistir: you probably have a ton of old log files in /var/log/ that you can safely delete. those quickly add up to gigs. also apt-get clean |
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| 19:39.31 | indistylo | phogg: debian derived, Ubuntu :) |
| 19:39.36 | missmbob | !ubuntu |
| 19:39.37 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 19:39.53 | phogg | indistylo: come to ##linux and I will help you. |
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| 19:40.31 | SuperTramp83 | missmbob already provided the fix.. indistylo /var/log and clean |
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| 19:44.19 | jhutchins_wk_ | phogg: You'll want to get logrotate installed and working, no idea why that distro wouldn't take care of that. |
| 19:44.56 | phogg | jhutchins_wk_: If it's logs. Sometimes it's core files, things the user forgot about, etc. |
| 19:45.09 | jelly | SuperTramp83, that's not a fix, that's an educated guess |
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| 19:45.51 | Pro1 | Hey guys. Maxres is stuck at 1024x768 and my monitor is stuck at unknown. I installed with a VGA cable plugged in to the integrated graphic card where the problem started at first. Now I have a graphic card and I have tried using both DVI and VGA but the screen is stil unknown and res is stil stuck at 1024x768. Anyone have any idea where the problem might be? |
| 19:46.02 | jhutchins_wk_ | phogg: Actually, I meant that for indistylo |
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| 19:46.54 | jhutchins_wk_ | Pro1: Sounds like your chipset wasn't recognized and it's fallen back to the VESA driver. |
| 19:46.59 | jelly | Pro1, which graphic cards specifically? lspci -nn |grep VGA |
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| 19:48.27 | Pro1 | Jelly: Can you write command again? I bugged out |
| 19:48.51 | jelly | Pro1, lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 19:49.31 | Pro1 | 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics] [1002:1313] |
| 19:49.32 | Pro1 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Tahiti PRO [Radeon HD 7950/8950 OEM / R9 280] [1002:679a] |
| 19:50.02 | jelly | judd, pciid 1002:1313 |
| 19:50.03 | judd | [1002:1313] is 'Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:1313 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 19:50.14 | jelly | that doesn't look right |
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| 19:51.49 | jelly | Pro1, I don't know a lot about amd gpus, but installing a newer kernel from jessie-backports would be a start |
| 19:52.01 | bibble | what gui calculator do you like ? |
| 19:52.16 | jelly | judd, pciid 1002:1313 --release stretch |
| 19:52.17 | judd | An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 19:52.31 | greycat | bibble: I don't use a "gui calculator". I keep a terminal open with bc -l running in it all the time. |
| 19:52.34 | jelly | dpkg, tell Pro1 about jessie-backports |
| 19:52.42 | jelly | dpkg, tell Pro1 about bdo kernel |
| 19:53.16 | jelly | dpkg, tell Pro1 about radeon firmware |
| 19:54.04 | Pro1 | What do you mean doesn't look right? |
| 19:54.33 | jelly | Pro1, read the topics bot sent you in private messages. Make sure you get firmware-linux-nonfree from jessie-backports as well. |
| 19:54.41 | bibble | great greycat :) ..are you able to use the last sum in a new calc without retyping it ? |
| 19:55.10 | jelly | the other bot's output did not look right |
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| 19:55.45 | jelly | it looked as if there was no kernel driver support for that gpu in jessie. Thus the suggestion to switch to 4.9 kernel from jessie-backports |
| 19:56.05 | bibble | greycat: ah, got parenthesis, so kind of solved :) |
| 19:56.06 | jelly | where the "radeon" kernel driver does seem to match that PCI id |
| 19:56.07 | greycat | bibble: yes, "." refers to the previous result |
| 19:56.17 | bibble | oh, even better !! |
| 19:56.29 | jelly | also |
| 19:56.31 | greycat | and yes, you can use parentheses |
| 19:56.38 | jhutchins_wk_ | That's a ~2012 card, should be supported. |
| 19:56.39 | jelly | dpkg, tell Pro1 about non-free sources |
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| 19:56.59 | jhutchins_wk_ | ,pciid 1002:679a |
| 19:57.01 | judd | [1002:679a] is 'Tahiti PRO [Radeon HD 7950/8950 OEM / R9 280]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:679a and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 19:57.08 | Sark | OK, well, I have determined my problem is solely due to the computer not being able to detect that a monitor is connected. I borrowed another monitor, and if I have that one connected when I start X, then it sees a monitor, and obeys my modeline. Then I can swap over to my monitor, and it works perfectly. |
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| 19:57.28 | phogg | bibble: for a graphical calc I kind of like qalculate, though it's a bit busy |
| 19:58.01 | Sark | So... how to force it to output regardless of if it thinks there is a monitor connected? |
| 19:58.03 | jelly | jhutchins_wk_, maybe judd is just buggy there |
| 19:58.22 | jelly | indeed, /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/modules.alias:alias pci:v00001002d00001313sv*sd*bc*sc*i* radeon |
| 19:58.37 | bibble | thanks phogg , will take a look. though think greycat's 'bc' is just right actually |
| 19:58.59 | phogg | bibble: bc is the better answer, really, since it's found everywhere and is dead simple. |
| 19:59.26 | bibble | :) |
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| 20:00.56 | jelly | Sark, ask in #xorg channel perhaps |
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| 20:01.12 | lolora | hello |
| 20:01.19 | lolora | sudo apt-get install dkim-filter |
| 20:01.23 | lolora | E: Unable to locate package dkim-filter |
| 20:01.39 | lolora | why did you remove dkim-filter? |
| 20:02.01 | jelly | ,v dkim-filter |
| 20:02.02 | judd | No package named 'dkim-filter' was found in amd64. |
| 20:02.21 | jelly | lolora, which release did you see it last in? |
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| 20:02.42 | jhutchins_wk_ | ,v opendkim |
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| 20:02.44 | judd | Package: opendkim on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.6.8-4; jessie: 2.9.2-2+deb8u1; stretch: 2.11.0~alpha-9; sid: 2.11.0~alpha-9 |
| 20:02.50 | jelly | and are you sure that's the correct package name? |
| 20:02.57 | lolora | <jelly> no idea but it is mentionned in this guide https://www.virtualmin.com/documentation/email/dkim |
| 20:03.23 | jelly | lolora, how old is that guide? |
| 20:03.30 | missmbob | it's not in ubuntu either |
| 20:03.43 | lolora | <jelly> I don't know |
| 20:04.04 | jelly | lolora, don't trust random guides on web. |
| 20:04.22 | lolora | <jelly> this is part of virtualmin guide |
| 20:04.31 | greycat | And don't put people's nicks in <angle brackets> if you are addressing them. Angle brackets are used by most clients to indicate who is speaking, so it looks like you are pasting something jelly SAID. |
| 20:04.33 | phogg | especially don't trust {wen,virtual}min |
| 20:04.40 | jelly | lolora, at the very least, make sure the ones you choose to trust are written for the OS and release you have installed |
| 20:05.01 | phogg | s/wen/web/ |
| 20:05.12 | jelly | lolora, so... ask the virtualmin people if this applies to debian 8 ("jessie") or not |
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| 20:05.54 | missmbob | there is no such package in snapshot, either |
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| 20:06.20 | jhutchins_wk_ | Ahem. See opendkim listed above by judd. |
| 20:06.23 | jelly | lolora, if you do something like "apt-cache search dkim filter" you may find packages with related functionality. |
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| 20:06.51 | jhutchins_wk_ | also: |
| 20:06.58 | lolora | why did you remove dkim ? |
| 20:07.00 | jhutchins_wk_ | ,v dkim-milter-python |
| 20:07.02 | judd | Package: dkim-milter-python on amd64 -- sid: 0.8.18-2; stretch: 0.8.18-2; jessie: 0.8.18-2 |
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| 20:07.19 | lolora | why did you remove dkim-filter in particular ? |
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| 20:07.28 | JeoW | i used this guide to setup dkim for postfix on jessie and it worked fine for me: https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/configure-spf-and-dkim-in-postfix-on-debian-8 |
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| 20:07.54 | jhutchins_wk_ | lolora: Why do you think it was removed? It was probably never packaged, or was packaged in some other package. |
| 20:07.59 | jelly | lolora, this package hasn't existed in debian since at least 2012 and probably before. |
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| 20:08.25 | jelly | lolora, maybe it never was part of debian. |
| 20:08.37 | lolora | <JeoW> cool but it might break virtualmin, they say we should never customize |
| 20:08.39 | jelly | that would have made it hard to remove |
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| 20:08.43 | greycat | *sigh* |
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| 20:09.19 | jelly | you'll have to ask virtualmin people where they got that from. |
| 20:09.27 | jhutchins_wk_ | lolora: That's probably written for a different distribution that also uses apt/deb, like ubuntu. Their packages are different. |
| 20:09.35 | jelly | wasn't debian 6 or 7 or 8. |
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| 20:10.18 | missmbob | it's also not in ubuntu |
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| 20:10.52 | jelly | oh, it actually was present in Debian 6 |
| 20:10.54 | dannyLopez | Any one help me, I try compile, but show me this error: https://pastebin.com/D9BD8GWj |
| 20:11.02 | jelly | judd: bug rm dkim-filter |
| 20:11.06 | judd | Sorry, no removal reasons were found. |
| 20:11.11 | jhutchins_wk_ | The guid does say "Debian or Ubuntu" - I guess it's just wrong. |
| 20:11.23 | lolora | so their guide is bogus? :/ |
| 20:11.38 | jelly | judd: bug rm dkim-milter |
| 20:11.40 | judd | Sorry, no removal reasons were found. |
| 20:11.43 | jhutchins_wk_ | lolora: Errors like that should make you suspicious of the quality of the virtualmin code and other documentation. |
| 20:11.49 | jelly | lolora, yes |
| 20:11.58 | jelly | has not been updated for Debian 7 or 8 |
| 20:12.26 | jelly | packages created from dkim-milter source do not include "dkim-filter" any more, but there are others. |
| 20:12.49 | missmbob | dannyLopez: sudo apt install libgl1-mesa-dev |
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| 20:14.43 | dannyLopez | missmbob: 0 actualizados, 0 nuevos se instalarán, 0 para eliminar y 0 no actualizados. |
| 20:14.45 | jelly | lolora, opendkim seems to be a still-supported fork of dkim-milter, (aptitude changelog opendkim says so) |
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| 20:15.27 | lolora | <jelly> thank you I'll try that athough I'm scared of breaking my server |
| 20:15.49 | jelly | lolora, do not put my nick in < > |
| 20:16.11 | greycat | And don't put people's nicks in <angle brackets> if you are addressing them. Angle brackets are used by most clients to indicate who is speaking, so it looks like you are pasting something jelly SAID. |
| 20:16.12 | jelly | use jelly: or jelly, instead |
| 20:16.12 | lolora | <jelly> sorry this is copy pasta garbage |
| 20:16.26 | lolora | blame my client |
| 20:16.45 | missmbob | we can blame you for not configuring your client properly |
| 20:17.10 | Pro1 | jelly: So let me see if I got this right. I can't increase my resolution without installing non-free software with radeon graphic card? This problem would not exist if I had nvidia card? What happens if I re-install debian with the radeon card plugged in? |
| 20:17.36 | cruncher | lolora, dont copy paste, just start typing the name like "jel" then hit tabulator.. every decent client should have auto completion |
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| 20:18.09 | lolora | ell ok I'll do that if it really matters to you |
| 20:18.13 | jelly | Pro1, I have no idea how radeon works on linux, and which cards need firmware for video decoding and which for everything |
| 20:18.45 | jelly | it is not likely there would be any change if you had the card present at install time |
| 20:19.09 | cruncher | Pro1, no, you can use the free driver, at least it works perfectly with 7970. dont see why not with 7950 |
| 20:19.14 | jelly | debian will not install non-free bits by default, you need to explicitely opt-in |
| 20:19.17 | lolora | there are debian devs here? |
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| 20:19.37 | lolora | or just users? |
| 20:19.39 | Pro1 | cruncher: Where is this driver? |
| 20:20.02 | jelly | there are some devs in here, perhaps a bit more on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:20.04 | cruncher | Pro1, the free driver debian already installed |
| 20:20.20 | lolora | jelly, ok |
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| 20:20.28 | cruncher | im not at a amd gpu station right now, but i believe it was the radeon module |
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| 20:21.15 | cruncher | Pro1, there must be something else wrong there if you cant get higher than 1024... did you check the logs? |
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| 20:22.34 | Sark | There. I figured it out. The graphics card was trying to detect if a monitor was connected by looking for the termination resistors on the RGB lines. |
| 20:22.51 | Sark | Because this is not a color monitor, there was only a termination resistor on the one line. |
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| 20:23.08 | jhutchins_wk_ | Sark: Good work! |
| 20:23.09 | Sark | I soldered a couple of 75 ohm resistors to the back of the video card to terminate the two unused video lines. |
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| 20:23.29 | Sark | So now it correctly detects that there is a monitor connected, and it works perfectly. |
| 20:23.32 | jhutchins_wk_ | Sark: Ack! I would've don it at the monitor, or at least the cable. |
| 20:23.48 | cruncher | pro1, and you'lll need the firmware anyway... so check if its installed |
| 20:23.52 | Sark | The graphics card was a lot easier to get to. That monitor is a pain to disassemble. |
| 20:24.11 | Sark | And it's super easy to just desolder the resistors if I ever wanted to. |
| 20:24.16 | Pro1 | cruncher: What logs? yes I can't get higher than 1024x768. |
| 20:24.21 | jhutchins_wk_ | Sark: Well, it's your hardware. |
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| 20:24.33 | jhutchins_wk_ | Sark: You just need to remember what you did. |
| 20:24.51 | Pro1 | I shouldn't need to install non-free firmware in order to get higher resolution than 1024, seriously? |
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| 20:25.06 | Sark | Yeah - I know, if I connect a color monitor to this in the future, I'll have double termination on those two lines, which could affect the video slightly. |
| 20:25.33 | jhutchins_wk_ | Pro1: Seriously. Need to get a lot of wifi chipsets working as well. |
| 20:25.35 | greycat | Many recent pieces of hardware require non-free firmware. |
| 20:25.40 | Sark | But, it's not a big deal. If I ever have another cause to take this mono monitor back apart, I'll add resistors in there and take them off the graphics card. |
| 20:25.50 | Sark | But, for now, problem solved. |
| 20:25.59 | Sark | And I'm happy. |
| 20:26.09 | greycat | http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39 |
| 20:26.19 | jelly | Pro1, even intel gpus need (non-free) firmware for the last two generations to work properly |
| 20:26.24 | jelly | latest* |
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| 20:26.58 | jhutchins_wk_ | Pro1: You'll see evidence of the problem in the output of dmesg and in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:28.12 | jelly | Pro1, pastebin output of "xrandr" and that /var/log/Xorg.0.log if you want someone to take a look |
| 20:28.16 | Pro1 | [drm:radeon_pci_probe] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree. |
| 20:28.17 | greycat | "dmesg | grep -i firmware" is also helpful |
| 20:28.27 | greycat | Yes, like that :) |
| 20:28.39 | jelly | Pro1, that seems pretty clear cut |
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| 20:28.54 | Pro1 | hehe yes |
| 20:29.12 | Pro1 | so what are you telling me, that I need an old as fuck gpu for higher res than 1024? |
| 20:29.30 | greycat | You need to install the firmware-linux-nonfree package to make full use of this card. |
| 20:29.58 | Pro1 | I don't want full use I want higher resolution than 1024 |
| 20:30.09 | cruncher | you are contradicting yourself |
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| 20:30.13 | jelly | Pro1, that's part of "full use" duh |
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| 20:31.23 | jelly | my nvidia needs firmware for h264 decoding, but not for modesetting. Your card needs firmware for modesetting. If that goes against your beliefs, consider investigating hardware a bit better before buying next time |
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| 20:31.57 | Pro1 | Any list of what cards is supported with free drivers? |
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| 20:32.02 | greycat | Intel. |
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| 20:32.19 | jelly | greycat, but not the latest two generations. |
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| 20:32.38 | jelly | those have external fw as well |
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| 20:33.30 | JeoW | so, i'm sick of ubuntu and i want to install debian. do i need to do anything with my /home partition in preparation? if i just create the same uid on debian will i be ok? |
| 20:33.45 | greycat | You should. |
| 20:34.05 | missmbob | maybe. different versions of software could have conflicting configuration files |
| 20:34.15 | greycat | Some of your files may be configs for different versions of programs, so there *could* be some minor incompatibilities there. |
| 20:34.50 | greycat | Nothing worse than you'd expect if you shared your /home across multiple systems via NFS. |
| 20:34.59 | JeoW | alright, im gonna go for it |
| 20:35.01 | missmbob | may be bad enough some programs wont run or crash a lot. until you delete those configs |
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| 20:37.10 | jhutchins_wk_ | When I went from 32b Jessie to 64b, I had to selectively import my $HOME files, it wouldn't load the GUI with the old ones. |
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| 20:37.45 | greycat | That sounds horrible. |
| 20:37.58 | greycat | A window manager designed to be incompatible with a shared /home? |
| 20:38.03 | jelly | portability is for wimps! |
| 20:38.20 | cruncher | Pro1, for that info you can see the description of xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 20:38.30 | cruncher | should cover all it supports |
| 20:38.45 | phogg | jhutchins_wk_: was it GNOME? Please tell me it was GNOME. |
| 20:39.03 | greycat | cruncher: that doesn't appear to say which of those are only fully supported by adding non-free firmware |
| 20:39.13 | jelly | phogg, kde isn't any better |
| 20:39.17 | cruncher | greycat, true |
| 20:39.29 | cruncher | but that wasnt his question :) |
| 20:39.37 | greycat | I'm pretty sure it was. |
| 20:39.44 | phogg | jelly: but I want to put all my distaste in one basket, so I want it to only be a GNOME problem |
| 20:39.48 | greycat | 16:31 Pro1> Any list of what cards is supported with free drivers? |
| 20:39.55 | jhutchins_wk_ | phogg: xfce4 |
| 20:40.12 | phogg | jelly: although to be honest KDE's terrible dbus menu stuff is just as ridiculous |
| 20:40.17 | jhutchins_wk_ | phogg: I'm not certain the root issue was with the WM, there was a lot of cruft. |
| 20:40.20 | jelly | greycat, does not say "with free drivers and NO ADDITIONAL SOFTWARE" ! |
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| 20:41.02 | greycat | It seemed completely clear from context. |
| 20:41.03 | jelly | phogg, Unity has dbus-driven panel indicators and probably menus too |
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| 20:41.23 | missmbob | eh who cares. unity and mir are dead. |
| 20:41.29 | phogg | jhutchins_wk_: yeah, probably. I did a 32->64 move pretty recently that went very smoothly, but with only a few years of accretion to deal with, |
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| 20:41.55 | phogg | jelly: It's all fun and games until you try remote X! |
| 20:42.16 | jelly | missmbob, only dead because gtk3/gnome now have good enough APIs to do most the features natively |
| 20:42.24 | jhutchins_wk_ | Pro1: It's not a matter of need an old card to get high res, it's a matter of how the hardware is supported. I don't know about the latest Intel graphics, but many fairly recent chipsets do high res with no firmware or non-free drivers. |
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| 20:44.19 | cruncher | greycat, sorry if i didnt read between the lines... i will behave myself in future from giving any information since i can read only whats written |
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| 20:45.37 | missmbob | "Once the new development cycle opens up for buster (right after final stretch release) we'll be switching gnome to use Wayland by default" ...well that's good news |
| 20:46.50 | gentunian | hi, in debian 4.1 there's a file with the 'a' attribute set. I cannot change it with chattr -a saying that operation was not permitted. When I invoke lcap I can see that my root user has no CAP_LINUX_IMMUTABLE and CAP_SETPCAP enabled. How can I set those capabilties in order to remove the 'a' attribute? |
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| 20:47.05 | gentunian | I've been googling a lot without luck. |
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| 20:47.58 | Pro1 | jhutchins_wk_: Yes I will do some reading about hardware. |
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| 20:49.24 | jhutchins_wk_ | Pro1: I'm not sure why they do it with graphics cards, but the restrictions on wifi firmware are often about making sure the radios operate within the regulations for the country they're in. They have the capability to operate outside those regulations if they're in another jurisdiction. |
| 20:49.27 | greycat | Debian 4.1? Seriously? |
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| 20:52.37 | jhutchins_wk_ | greycat: I have a lenny server with samba, hylafax, and mail that I have to get up to date and to 64b. |
| 20:52.54 | greycat | 4.1 is older than lenny |
| 20:53.03 | jhutchins_wk_ | I figure I'm building a new one from scratch and swapping the HD. |
| 20:53.12 | gentunian | greycat, yes :/ |
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| 20:53.38 | jhutchins_wk_ | greycat: Etch. |
| 20:54.29 | jhutchins_wk_ | gentunian: What's the uptime? |
| 20:54.36 | gentunian | unfortunately is a mail server. |
| 20:54.42 | greycat | Anyway, I don't know of any irreversible file attribute operators on etch. If you changed something at the kernel level AFTER the modification, maybe you need to change that back. Or move the disk to a system without a kernel restriction on chattr. |
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| 20:55.00 | gentunian | jhutchins, just an hour, when I missused lcap and I removed capabilities |
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| 20:55.09 | gentunian | i needed to reboot .... |
| 20:55.15 | greycat | or destroy the file and make a new one with the same content but without the chattr weirdness |
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| 20:55.48 | jhutchins_wk_ | We came across a server a while back with something like 2000+ days of uptime. |
| 20:55.50 | gentunian | greycat, I can't remove the file, it has the append only flag |
| 20:56.00 | gentunian | wow |
| 20:56.24 | gentunian | we have some dns servers with ~800 days, but 2000 it's a lot :) |
| 20:56.54 | jhutchins_wk_ | ~5 yrs. |
| 20:56.57 | gentunian | and the file is a log file growing, 3GB as for now. |
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| 20:59.32 | jhutchins_wk_ | gentunian: You could echo > file |
| 21:00.11 | greycat | he will tell you how he broke something and now he can't do that |
| 21:00.23 | greycat | because apparently he broke every possible thing relating to that file |
| 21:00.40 | jelly | there was no 4.1 debian. 4.0.1 maybe? |
| 21:01.31 | gentunian | jhutchins, operation not permitted |
| 21:01.40 | gentunian | jelly, Debian 4.1.1-21 |
| 21:01.48 | greycat | that is not how Debian version numbers work |
| 21:01.55 | gentunian | cat /proc/version says that |
| 21:01.56 | greycat | What command did you run to get that output? |
| 21:01.59 | jelly | gentunian, where are you getting that version from? |
| 21:02.01 | greycat | That is a KERNEL thing. |
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| 21:02.04 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 21:02.04 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
| 21:02.09 | jelly | gentunian, ^^ |
| 21:02.14 | greycat | And you only showed PART of the output |
| 21:02.21 | gentunian | ups, 4.0 then |
| 21:02.29 | greycat | WRONG AND WRONGER |
| 21:02.30 | jelly | nope |
| 21:02.41 | greycat | You are showing the version of THE GNU C COMPILER THAT BUILT YOUR KERNEL |
| 21:02.44 | gentunian | I swear |
| 21:02.55 | jelly | gentunian, what do "cat /etc/debian_version" and "lsb_release -sc" say? |
| 21:02.57 | gentunian | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 21:03.21 | gentunian | jelly, lsb_release does not exists. |
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| 21:03.46 | jelly | gentunian, what does "dpkg -l libc6 dpkg | tail -2" say? |
| 21:03.47 | gentunian | and just don't be rude, I inherited this problem :) |
| 21:04.01 | jelly | show the complete output. |
| 21:04.20 | gentunian | ii dpkg 1.13.26 package maintenance system for Debian |
| 21:04.20 | gentunian | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 21:04.30 | jelly | okay, that's really etch |
| 21:04.37 | jelly | you poor sod |
| 21:04.44 | bin_bash | lol oh my word |
| 21:04.52 | greycat | Weird how he did everything except "cat /etc/debian_version" though. |
| 21:05.01 | jelly | eh, whatevs |
| 21:05.09 | gentunian | :/ we received an alert to free space, so I found this file and I wanted to be removed. Impossible. |
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| 21:05.17 | bin_bash | 8.7 |
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| 21:05.26 | jelly | gentunian, and you don't have chattr command? |
| 21:05.43 | gentunian | greycat, I mainly use centos, so i'm used to /etc/issue rather than other debian related commands, sry for that. |
| 21:05.52 | greycat | Near as I can tell, he fucked around with the kernel and broke root's ability to run chattr on this file. Or that's what he said. |
| 21:06.08 | gentunian | jelly, yes, but I can't set the 'a' because I dont have CAP_LINUX_INMUTABLE capability enabled |
| 21:06.20 | gentunian | chatrr -a <file> returns "operation not permitted" |
| 21:06.31 | jelly | schedule downtime, boot a live image, fix things |
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| 21:06.33 | bin_bash | gentunian: what is the output of uname -a |
| 21:06.39 | bin_bash | oh nvm |
| 21:06.40 | gentunian | greycat, I don't admin this server, I can't touch this kernel |
| 21:06.58 | greycat | Then how did you get it into this state? |
| 21:07.01 | jelly | gentunian, what does "uname -a" say? |
| 21:07.07 | bin_bash | greycat: he said he inherited it |
| 21:07.16 | gentunian | managers told me to audit the server running out of space. |
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| 21:07.33 | gentunian | Linux my-hostname 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:03:12 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:07.44 | gentunian | (my-hostname is my edit) |
| 21:07.53 | sypher | Yes, your hostname is such sensitive information. /s |
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| 21:08.02 | gentunian | sypher, it's a public mail server |
| 21:08.10 | bin_bash | sypher: it could be, actually. |
| 21:08.19 | greycat | He's ashamed that the hostname is "teamedward". |
| 21:08.23 | sypher | Whatever. Enjoy your etch problem. |
| 21:08.32 | gentunian | with a broken debian 4.0 possible target for hackers :) |
| 21:08.33 | bin_bash | well we have to fight. mine is teamvanhelsing |
| 21:08.39 | jelly | greycat, Edward James Olmos. |
| 21:08.44 | sypher | If you massively compromise yourself by telling someone your hostname, you're already beyond help. |
| 21:09.03 | jelly | sypher, and if you can't help, be quiet |
| 21:09.16 | bin_bash | or maybe it's a public domain name and he doesn't want to blab it all ovber irc and potentially dox himself?? |
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| 21:09.30 | jelly | this isn't a Point Out and Laugh channel, it's a support channel |
| 21:09.38 | greycat | people who put dots in their hostname are insane, but yes, I will concede that these people exist. |
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| 21:09.54 | sypher | K. Whatever. |
| 21:09.59 | `Kevin | gentunian: see if you have capsh in your .bash_profile or etc |
| 21:10.00 | bin_bash | gentunian: when i saw the old version of debian, i thoguht maybe you didnt even have chattr, but you do, lol |
| 21:10.05 | gentunian | dox? what would that be, I don't have any problems to say who I am but I cant compromise the domain name. |
| 21:10.27 | greycat | Sounds like his predecessors are insane in that particular way. |
| 21:10.42 | jelly | gentunian, eh, there's nothing to do here. Schedule downtime, reboot into something sane and fix. |
| 21:11.18 | gentunian | `Kevin, nop, no capsh |
| 21:11.48 | gentunian | jelly, ok, thanks all for the help :) |
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| 21:12.12 | bin_bash | gentunian: good luck tbh sounds unfun |
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| 21:12.24 | jelly | sure you could hunt for one of a hundred exploits for that kernel and work around your capability breakage, but why |
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| 21:12.40 | bin_bash | for... fun? idk |
| 21:12.57 | jelly | maybe for overtime pay |
| 21:13.18 | gentunian | I'm curious, never have a problem like this and I wanted to learn more about. I just end up with this things of capabilites, so weird root user has caps bits disabled |
| 21:13.57 | jelly | the system has been somewhat hardened apparently |
| 21:14.00 | gentunian | but I can't spend more time on this so I think your option to shutdown the server is best |
| 21:14.17 | jelly | hardened against admining |
| 21:14.37 | `Kevin | jelly: i was pondering grsec or something similar but yea indeed something was done |
| 21:14.38 | bin_bash | LOL jelly |
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| 21:14.41 | greycat | I would question the wisdom of creating a log file that can ONLY grow and can never be rotated. |
| 21:14.42 | `Kevin | ha |
| 21:14.44 | gentunian | if you ask me I will migrate this into a newer version but... It's not my call |
| 21:15.05 | bin_bash | greycat: in their infinite wisdom they assumed that once they fixed all the bugs the file would never grow! |
| 21:15.06 | gentunian | same for me |
| 21:15.10 | bin_bash | of course they never fixed all the bugs... |
| 21:15.10 | jelly | `Kevin, it's not a grsec kernel, looks pretty much like a normal etch-n-half kernel |
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| 21:15.35 | gentunian | OMG |
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| 21:15.48 | greycat | And the closeness of the gcc version (4.1.1) and the Debian version (4.0) was a weird coincidence. |
| 21:15.49 | gentunian | want to laugh? look what I found in rc.local |
| 21:15.55 | gentunian | jesus |
| 21:16.01 | gentunian | /root/iptables_para_nestor |
| 21:16.01 | gentunian | /usr/bin/chattr +a /var2/log/auth.log |
| 21:16.01 | gentunian | /usr/sbin/lcap 9 |
| 21:16.04 | gentunian | :S |
| 21:16.13 | gentunian | wtf is that |
| 21:16.16 | `Kevin | ha |
| 21:16.38 | gentunian | I desire death to whoever did that |
| 21:16.55 | jelly | well that's one way to stop tampering logs. Remote syslog? Nah! |
| 21:17.02 | `Kevin | 9 is the bit you are looking for gentunian |
| 21:17.37 | gentunian | it would be nice to expose this but for sure the guy who admin this server is already gone |
| 21:17.49 | gentunian | selling donuts |
| 21:18.31 | greycat | Well, seems clear how to proceed, if they forgot to protect /etc/rc.local itself. |
| 21:18.32 | gentunian | 3 hours of my time for this... and a big noise in the channel :S |
| 21:18.50 | greycat | This wasn't noise. This was actually on topic, albeit technically unsupported due to extreme age. |
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| 21:19.19 | gentunian | luckily they didn't +a rc.local |
| 21:19.25 | greycat | I figured. |
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| 21:19.47 | jelly | there's literally no better channel to ask about some horribly old debian install around these parts |
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| 21:20.38 | bin_bash | this is a much better support channel than #ubuntu. i one time got banned from there for actually helping someone, but it was not the ubuntu way |
| 21:21.32 | gentunian | thanks for helping in either way guys. I will schedule a reboot finally |
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| 21:22.29 | `Kevin | gentunian: tell whomever to print his logs instead :P |
| 21:23.14 | jelly | whomever has left that company a long time ago, and gentunian is probably the cheaper, younger replacement (of a replacement) |
| 21:23.17 | bin_bash | "think of the environment before printing this auth log" |
| 21:23.18 | gentunian | I see no reason why to do that, and why to use /var2 what the heck |
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| 21:23.46 | greycat | probably security-through-obscurity |
| 21:23.51 | greycat | "They won't think to look in /var2!!" |
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| 21:24.40 | gentunian | ok, but why to remove the cap to root? you are thinking root account is compromised |
| 21:24.43 | gentunian | haha |
| 21:25.11 | greycat | We're not the ones you'd have to ask. |
| 21:25.22 | jelly | exactly. If someone elevates to root, they still can't wipe logs to cover their tracks |
| 21:25.32 | greycat | lcap removes the capability from the running instance of the kernel. It's irreversible if you do it "right". |
| 21:25.57 | jelly | in theory. In practice there's a dozen ways to do it, writing to disk directly is one |
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| 21:27.50 | gentunian | I meant that the guy who set that thought that root could be compromised so he removed the cap. Yeap, my english is bad among other things.. |
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| 22:05.42 | tonyt | can someone take a look at this screen shot and tell me what i need to install to fix it? https://1drv.ms/i/s!Aqm_HiYIEo4Ej2xxHMW5l-Jm1J0_ |
| 22:06.14 | bin_bash | no, sorry. cant access onedriver |
| 22:06.44 | tonyt | k |
| 22:06.48 | tonyt | ill move it |
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| 22:10.58 | tonyt | http://imgur.com/a/qdvg8 |
| 22:10.58 | tonyt | there is the screen shot |
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| 22:13.40 | happygilmoregent | what is the difference between apt update/upgrade and apt-get update/upgrade |
| 22:15.11 | mel00010 | As far as I know, apt update/upgrade has a progress bar, and apt-get update/upgrade |
| 22:15.43 | mel00010 | Apt should just be a drop in replacement for apt-get on most systems |
| 22:15.44 | hanshenrik | happygilmoregent, more like, what's the difference between `apt` and `apt-get` , apt-get is supposed to be more backwards-compatible, more parsable output, stabler interface, something like that, i think |
| 22:16.05 | happygilmoregent | ok so it's the same? |
| 22:16.26 | mel00010 | Apt-get should also be installed on every debian system, while apt may not be installed |
| 22:16.35 | mel00010 | Yeah, pretty much |
| 22:16.43 | hanshenrik | if you try to use apt with piping, you get this on stderr: WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts. |
| 22:16.51 | mel00010 | Yeah |
| 22:17.01 | mel00010 | If you are writing any kind of script |
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| 22:17.05 | mel00010 | use apt-get |
| 22:17.20 | mel00010 | apt is just a little nicer from a usage standpoint |
| 22:17.28 | happygilmoregent | ok |
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| 22:21.22 | bin_bash | tonyt: hmm not sure. havent run into that. hopefully someoen else may know |
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| 22:28.50 | tonyt | k |
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| 22:44.10 | Plushfish | Hi |
| 22:45.01 | Plushfish | Is it wise to use stretch in a production environment? And is there a release date yet? (I know it's released when it's done, I'm just asking for your feelings or so what you'd except) |
| 22:45.56 | mtn | Plushfish: no, and no. ;) |
| 22:45.57 | missmbob | Plushfish: no |
| 22:46.47 | Plushfish | Okay, thanks. I think Stretch (still testing) doesn't get security updates yet? Only when it's released? |
| 22:47.07 | missmbob | Plushfish: correct. just prior to being released it'll start. long time to go |
| 22:47.33 | Plushfish | Is it a good idea to use Jessie with backported packages (like the kernel), or won't I get security updates then? |
| 22:47.40 | Plushfish | for the backported packages |
| 22:47.48 | Epakai | tonyt: sounds like you would need to set up multiarch to have any 32-bit compatibility. is that the nvidia driver installer? seems like debian's nvidia packages would handle that |
| 22:48.12 | missmbob | Plushfish: jessie-backports dont have security per se, but the maintainers do their best. it's not run by the security team |
| 22:48.15 | Plushfish | missmbob: Yes, I though so, long time to go. What do you think when it'll be released? Just your thoughts |
| 22:48.43 | missmbob | Plushfish: late august is my random guess. https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ the green line has to go to 0 |
| 22:49.16 | Plushfish | Ah |
| 22:49.23 | Plushfish | 192 bugs left if I'm right? |
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| 22:49.44 | missmbob | right now, yeah |
| 22:50.09 | Plushfish | Ah, I see. As I can see on the graph you do a great job :) |
| 22:50.48 | Plushfish | Thanks for giving me all that information, missmbob |
| 22:50.55 | missmbob | *i* dont do anything :P you're welcome |
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| 22:51.32 | Plushfish | missmbob: Yeah, I meant everyone in Debian, even the users who do bug reports |
| 22:51.32 | Plushfish | :P |
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| 22:53.07 | hanshenrik | Plushfish, if you're looking for something in between jessie and stretch with security updates, maybe you wanna check out Ubuntu Server |
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| 22:56.16 | expert975 | I can't get applications to output sound on my sound card under Debian 9. Can I get some help? |
| 22:56.55 | missmbob | sudo apt install pavucontrol and run it. assuming the user is part of audio group. |
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| 22:57.24 | Plushfish | hanshenrik: Nah, I don't like Ubuntu, but thanks :) |
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| 23:00.42 | expert975 | How do I check if the user is part of the sound group? |
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| 23:01.08 | missmbob | grep audio /etc/group |
| 23:02.25 | dannyLopez | I miss the X |
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| 23:04.56 | expert975 | I've told firefox to output to my sound card. Seems fine but there's no sound |
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| 23:05.51 | expert975 | I can use HDMI normally, but not the sound card |
| 23:05.59 | missmbob | that's why you play with pavucontrol levels and output devices. |
| 23:06.25 | missmbob | in configuration tab you can pick hdmi, or analog stereo, etc |
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| 23:10.14 | expert975 | I've set to analog and tryed all options... what can I do? |
| 23:10.39 | expert975 | Note that I'm able to enable my microphone using alsamixer |
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| 23:11.06 | expert975 | But I can only hear the mic, not any app |
| 23:11.23 | missmbob | if you can figure it out with pavucontrol i'm not sure what else to look at |
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| 23:11.59 | expert975 | All the device do is pop when I change settings |
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| 23:15.25 | expert975 | I can even hear the guitar, but if I set any application to output to it, it goes silent |
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| 23:23.59 | expert975 | Is there any free alternative to Spotify? |
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| 23:39.38 | ZeeZ | sudo shutdown -r now |
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| 23:42.19 | anotherus3r | Hi should default-jdk be installed by default? |
| 23:42.24 | anotherus3r | or not? |
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| 23:43.27 | anotherus3r | I was asking if default-jdk should be installed by default during debian install? |
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| 23:50.57 | expert975 | What does "apt install tor" installs exactly? |
| 23:51.05 | expert975 | Does it install tor browser? |
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| 23:54.41 | brenlae | anybody have trouble installed spotify on debian stretch? |
| 23:54.49 | brenlae | it asks for libraires that are older than the ones i have |
| 23:55.00 | brenlae | was fine on jessie |
| 23:55.42 | expert975 | I'll do it right now |
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