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| 02:15.10 | JakeDean | I'm trying to display the php file which I have located in /var/www/error.php and I included that in my config https://hastebin.com/arinifoniz.php but my error.php isn't even shown, it shows the nginx default error |
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| 02:15.45 | missmbob | #nginx might be better |
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| 02:16.53 | JakeDean | missmbob: it gives me an error when I type: cannot send to channel: #nginx |
| 02:17.04 | missmbob | register your nick |
| 02:17.11 | JakeDean | i did |
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| 03:16.42 | fweg | hello |
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| 03:18.36 | fweg | you know when you download debian server, install it and then boot into it you see all the lines of what it's doing during boot? well i bought a VPS and installed debian but i don't see any of that. can someone tell me how to enable it please? |
| 03:19.00 | gry | ask your vps provider how to enter serial console |
| 03:19.16 | gry | i had a prgmr vps once and it had this info in its serial console. don't remember about linode |
| 03:19.52 | missmbob | linode has it in lish via web interface. you can also set up ssh to lish but that's more steps |
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| 03:27.06 | jelly | fweg: Assuming you do have access to console and are just not seeing a lot info at all. Removing "quiet" from boot parameters will help a bit. Check lines for GRUB_CMDLINE_* in /etc/default/grub and run "update-grub" after editing the file. |
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| 03:28.50 | fweg | jelly: thank you. is this good? https://glot.io/snippets/eom2yuw5o4 |
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| 03:31.34 | jelly | fweg: it depends on what kind of console and console access you have, it might be fine. |
| 03:32.18 | jelly | fweg: was line 9 already commented out? |
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| 03:32.53 | fweg | jelly: yes |
| 03:33.59 | fweg | I will test it on another server |
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| 03:34.01 | fweg | Thanks again |
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| 03:35.27 | constantineXII | Hello debian users |
| 03:36.33 | mutante | sup Mo |
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| 03:40.03 | daffy__ | hey guys, I was wondering how to make a debian testing clean install from cml |
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| 03:40.33 | daffy__ | installing gnome and gdm3 is enought? |
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| 03:41.14 | theMagnumOrange | hi |
| 03:41.31 | theMagnumOrange | does debian have grsecurity by default? if not is it easy to install? |
| 03:41.50 | mutante | daffy__: you can first install stable and all the packages you want as normal and then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, replace 'jessie' with 'stretch' and apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade |
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| 03:43.35 | constantineXII | can I install kde 5 on debian jessie?? |
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| 03:44.30 | daffy__ | mutante: I dont use all the apps provided by default installation, I would like to know the sequence of packages to install in net-installation in order to install only the ones I use |
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| 03:46.07 | mutante | daffy__: if you get the "netinstall" image and during installer deselect all the software you get pretty much that |
| 03:46.36 | mutante | daffy__: then you can start from the minimal system and install packages you want. dependencies will be pulled in |
| 03:47.28 | mutante | daffy__: here are netinstall images for testing https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 03:49.17 | daffy__ | thanks mutante! |
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| 04:06.42 | constantineXII | anyone uses kde on debian stable? |
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| 04:08.47 | jelly | <constantineXII> can I install kde 5 on debian jessie?? # short answer, no |
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| 04:09.22 | constantineXII | OK. Thanks! |
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| 04:10.29 | jelly | plasma 5 will be part of the upcoming release, codename "stretch" (to be released probably this year) |
| 04:13.24 | constantineXII | Thanks debian community and good luck!! |
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| 05:56.46 | hmz365 | "device-mapper: reload ioctl on veracrypt1_0 failed: No such file or directory Command failed . " Anyone encounter the same problem has been resolved, the wing! Online is not the answer, for kernels from 3.14.54 to 4.5.2 is still the same, I do not know where the problem. |
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| 06:01.42 | pantato | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=132317 is anyone gonna help me with this issue? :( |
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| 06:03.02 | afidegnum | hello good morning, |
| 06:03.03 | Papillon | try ##linux, I don't think this is a debian specific issue and there may be more people that know about that specific issue |
| 06:03.06 | Papillon | hi |
| 06:03.26 | afidegnum | on my laptop, the Fn key is not working, i can't add a combination of Fn key to additional keys |
| 06:03.39 | afidegnum | how do i fix it pls? |
| 06:04.07 | Papillon | you might try asking in ##linux |
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| 06:07.37 | somiaj | afidegnum: depends on the laptop but the Fn key may not generate a keycode by itself, it only generates keycodes in special combinations |
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| 06:11.15 | afidegnum | somiaj: yes, even the combination does not work |
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| 08:11.20 | grizzlyb | What is an APT stand for exactly |
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| 08:28.17 | julius | hi |
| 08:28.39 | julius | why cant i run this: -rwsr-Sr-- 1 root root 1.3K Mar 27 10:20 gre_tunnel.sh as user, isnt it setuid root? the commands in it need to be executed as root |
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| 08:36.19 | petn-randall | julius: Setting suid root on shell scripts is considered insecure. |
| 08:36.29 | julius | yes i am aware of that |
| 08:36.37 | julius | not my first choice... |
| 08:37.00 | blackflow | can't sudo? |
| 08:37.12 | julius | need to start a GRE tunnel from a remote host via a users ssh connection, the GRE tunnel needs a dynamic ip as argument |
| 08:37.28 | petn-randall | julius: Consider using sudo for that, it's much safer. |
| 08:37.34 | julius | im the only one working on that system |
| 08:37.57 | petn-randall | julius: Setting a shell script suid root is effectively giving everyone root that can execute it. |
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| 08:38.25 | julius | petn-randall, how are they executing code that is not in the shell script? |
| 08:38.40 | petn-randall | julius: http://www.drdobbs.com/dangers-of-suid-shell-scripts/199101190 |
| 08:38.47 | julius | ok |
| 08:39.30 | petn-randall | julius: Long story short: The user controls the environment that is used in the shell script, which can be leveraged to execute arbritary code as root. |
| 08:39.35 | julius | but for sudo i need to enter a password, right? how do i run this: ssh andromeda-inet ~/bin/gre_tunnel.sh x.x.x.x with entering the sudo pw? |
| 08:39.52 | petn-randall | julius: No, there's a NOPASSWD option in sudo. |
| 08:39.57 | julius | ah ok |
| 08:39.58 | julius | thanks |
| 08:40.10 | julius | wasnt aware that setuid can be that dangerous |
| 08:40.32 | petn-randall | julius: Just for completeness, the reason your user can't execute that script is because that user is missing executable rights. |
| 08:41.12 | julius | because the would be "other" ? |
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| 08:41.25 | blackflow | julius: setuid is dangerous because it gives root to _anyone_ who executes it. with sudo you can control which user/group can execute this, as root, with/out password. |
| 08:41.44 | blackflow | s/gives root/executes as root/ |
| 08:41.48 | julius | yes i will setup sudo |
| 08:41.52 | petn-randall | julius: Since you have it setuid and setgid root, the only option would be to make it world-executable, effectively granting root to everyone (or play around with ACLs). |
| 08:42.33 | julius | petn-randall, no i mean...the user has no executable rigths becuase the group or the other's has no x? |
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| 08:42.40 | julius | im guessing it is other's |
| 08:43.22 | petn-randall | julius: If the user isn't root, the rights it has on that file are defined in "other". Since it's only readable, no user other than root can execute it. |
| 08:43.43 | julius | petn-randall, ah...yes r can be also x ok |
| 08:43.56 | julius | thanks guys |
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| 08:44.42 | petn-randall | julius: No, r and x are different permissions. Everyone can run 'cat gre_tunnel.sh' to see the contents, but only root can currently execute it. |
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| 08:52.17 | delkin | Hello :) Does anyone know how I can install python-sphinx (>=1.5) through debian package manager? |
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| 08:54.26 | delkin | When I run debian-dev-build.sh it keeps complaining that python-sphinx is not installed with the correct version⦠And installing with PIP does not solve the issue :( |
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| 08:57.45 | blackflow | delkin: use a virtualenv and inside it, install whatever version with pip |
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| 09:00.18 | mab_ | blackflow: what if he wants to use the package manager? Are there any ppa available? |
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| 09:02.19 | delkin | blackflow: unfortunately that doesnt work⦠:( debian-dev-build.sh keeps complaining that sphinx is not installed |
| 09:02.52 | delkin | blackflow: i think i must do it through the debian package manager |
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| 09:08.29 | blackflow | delkin: well, there's 1.5.3 in experimental, but that would mean mixing packages, not sure that's wise. debian-dev-build.sh, which package is that from? |
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| 09:10.20 | blackflow | delkin: is this for lava? |
| 09:10.29 | delkin | blackflow: yeah, exactly |
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| 09:10.57 | blackflow | delkin: but it's not coming from a package, is it? |
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| 09:11.47 | dynek | I'm unable to find how I can download/install snmp mibs on stretch - anyone would have a clue? |
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| 09:12.07 | delkin | blackflow: no, I am using this script here: https://github.com/Linaro/lava-server/blob/release/share/debian-dev-build.sh |
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| 09:12.17 | delkin | blackflow: which should generate a .deb file |
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| 09:12.41 | delkin | blackflow: but fails complaining that python-sphinx is not >=1.4 |
| 09:13.04 | blackflow | delkin: well I don't know anything about that software, I just found debian-dev-build.sh mentioned in its context. I asked because if it was coming from a package, you should report a bug about wrong dependencies. |
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| 09:13.29 | blackflow | delkin: but since it's not.... install virtualenv, install python-sphinx 1.5 in it, and with the virtualenv active, run your debian-dev-build.sh script. |
| 09:13.31 | delkin | blackflow: that is sensible |
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| 09:14.04 | delkin | blackflow: i have tried that. I complains that sphinx is not installed |
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| 09:14.10 | delkin | It* |
| 09:14.21 | blackflow | maybe there is a PPA for sphinx but.... I'd never recommend using PPAs, only official and sanctioned repositories. |
| 09:14.37 | blackflow | delkin: you ran the script in the shell where virtualenv with sphinx installed was active? |
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| 09:14.38 | dynek | answering to self: non-free! |
| 09:14.50 | OS-27693 | hi everyone |
| 09:15.00 | OS-27693 | what's up? |
| 09:15.55 | lixus | to whom it may concern: One of the two snapshot.debian.org DNS round robin adresses does not work |
| 09:15.59 | delkin | blackflow: exactly. If I run sphinx-builder âversion it actually shows the version I need. Although, when I run that lava script it keeps complaining that sphinx version is not > 1.4 |
| 09:16.00 | lixus | curl --header "Host:snapshot.debian.org" -I http://185.17.185.185/archive/debian/20160604T232714Z/pool/main/b/busybox/busybox_1.22.0-9+deb8u1_amd64.deb |
| 09:16.14 | OS-27693 | I'm a noob in OSCP course |
| 09:16.24 | lixus | versus: curl --header "Host:snapshot.debian.org" -I http://193.62.202.30/archive/debian/20160604T232714Z/pool/main/b/busybox/busybox_1.22.0-9+deb8u1_amd64.deb |
| 09:16.39 | delkin | blackflow: i guess this script is looking for deb package manager for dependencies |
| 09:17.00 | delkin | blackflow: and misses the fact that sphinx is already installed with the version needed |
| 09:17.12 | OS-27693 | I didn't understand a thing. If i hack the majority of lab machines in the public net, is it sufficient to be prepared for the exam? |
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| 09:18.39 | blackflow | delkin: is there a public url for that script? github or something? I wanna take a look |
| 09:19.30 | delkin | blackflow: this is the script that should generate the .deb file when all dependencies are met: https://github.com/Linaro/lava-server/blob/release/share/debian-dev-build.sh |
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| 09:19.48 | delkin | blackflow: the lava .deb file |
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| 09:21.24 | dadinn | hi all |
| 09:21.26 | blackflow | delkin: looking at the pkg-lava-server, it looks like it depends on python-sphinx (>= 1.4) |
| 09:21.29 | blackflow | delkin: not 1.5 |
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| 09:21.55 | dadinn | I think I have run into something similar to bug simply disregard any dependencies which have been specified |
| 09:21.59 | delkin | blackflow: correct. I was too âagressiveâ on my request |
| 09:22.17 | dadinn | sorry, bug #754218 |
| 09:22.17 | delkin | blackflow: the default version debian installs is 1.2 |
| 09:22.18 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/754218 in ifupdown (closed): «boot hangs forever on LSB job "raise network interfaces"»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-07-08; last modified: 2015-01-28. |
| 09:22.37 | delkin | blackflow: the issue remains |
| 09:22.47 | blackflow | delkin: on jessie? install it from jessie-backports |
| 09:23.43 | blackflow | delkin: and please don't make up information in your request for help. had you said 1.4 the first time, the answer would be quicker without wasting anyone's time to look up and find possible cause fo nonexisting 1.5 requirement. |
| 09:23.44 | delkin | blackflow: I have added deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie-backports main to my sources.list. Do you think that should be sufficient? |
| 09:23.56 | dadinn | I have a interface.d/wlan0 file for my wifi with psk passphrase, and the boot stalls with the same issue |
| 09:24.04 | delkin | blackflow: that is not working |
| 09:24.23 | dadinn | is this a known issue? When I remove it it boots fine |
| 09:24.23 | blackflow | delkin: jessie-backports has python-sphinx 1.4.9 according to that script and pkg-lava-server repo, that should suffice |
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| 09:26.19 | delkin | blackflow: so, I added the above line to my sources.list; then ran apt-get update; then apt-get install python-sphinx. However sphinx 1.2 is being installed |
| 09:27.45 | delkin | blackflow: i am using debian jessie |
| 09:28.10 | blackflow | delkin: apt-get -t jessie-backports install python-sphinx |
| 09:28.47 | delkin | blackflow: you are my heroe!!! |
| 09:29.01 | blackflow | yay! |
| 09:29.04 | delkin | \o/ |
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| 09:54.45 | thereyougo | any suggestion of a tyniest live CD ? that uses under 64MB of RAM ? I don't need X, only command line so I can ssh to it |
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| 09:57.44 | rjsalts | thereyougo: you could just use the installer maybe? |
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| 10:03.26 | abff | hey guys I am currently messing around with a GTK theme for my lightdm-gtk-greeter. I was wondering how could I go about starting another instance of LIGHTDM in a tty |
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| 10:06.18 | Papillon | control alt f2? |
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| 10:07.45 | abff | yes that gets me to a tty but I don't know how to start a second instance of my dm, but don't worry about it I'll just keep loging out and back in |
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| 10:12.04 | rufus | hello everybody..newbie here ...tryig to install debian in virtual box follwoing tutorials..evrything goes well ut when sys boots i get root and terminal commands instead of GUI..what is wrong? |
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| 10:14.08 | ber532k | rufus: What exactly did you install? This might be what's supposed to happen. |
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| 10:14.41 | ber532k | Do you get any error messages? |
| 10:16.55 | rufus | ber532k: I tried with debian-8.7.1-amd64-netinst and debian-8.7.1-amd64-CD-1...same result |
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| 10:17.26 | ber532k | No error messages? |
| 10:18.39 | rufus | ber532k: no everything goes smooth and boots correctly but in terminal...how o get a GUI? |
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| 10:19.51 | ber532k | First you'd want to log in (probably as root) and check X11 is indeed installed. |
| 10:20.11 | ber532k | Try logging in. |
| 10:20.17 | rufus | ber532k: i correctly log in |
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| 10:21.36 | ber532k | Try `which startx` (not sure if it is included though) |
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| 10:22.59 | rufus | ber532k: usr/bin/startx |
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| 10:23.14 | ber532k | ok, great |
| 10:23.46 | ber532k | You might want to create some sort of user first, so you don't have to do everything as root ... |
| 10:24.12 | ber532k | https://linux.die.net/man/8/useradd |
| 10:24.14 | rufus | ber532k: actally i created user during the configuration process |
| 10:24.30 | ber532k | ok, so log out back in as that user |
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| 10:25.11 | dA3M0n23 | hello |
| 10:25.11 | rufus | how to do it from root? |
| 10:25.32 | ber532k | `exit` logs you out |
| 10:25.57 | ber532k | afterwards just log back in with your username |
| 10:26.23 | rufus | ber532k:ok logged in |
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| 10:26.29 | rufus | sill no gui |
| 10:26.51 | ber532k | `startx` |
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| 10:27.27 | ber532k | This might produce an error, if no Desktop Environment is installed or if it is configured badly. |
| 10:28.22 | ber532k | But then at least we know X11 (the graphical server on which most Desktop Environments run) is there all right. |
| 10:28.33 | rufus | no erro...now just increased terminal size |
| 10:28.37 | ssarah | hallo |
| 10:29.08 | ber532k | Did you choose any Desktop Environment during install? |
| 10:29.14 | rufus | and poiinter is an X now |
| 10:29.24 | rufus | yes if I remember well |
| 10:30.04 | ber532k | ok, so X11 works all right ;) |
| 10:30.19 | ber532k | switch to another tty and kill X11 |
| 10:30.29 | rufus | no idea what you mean |
| 10:30.44 | ber532k | Ctrl-Alt-F2 should open another login prompt |
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| 10:30.58 | rufus | ok |
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| 10:31.13 | ber532k | then run `killall -QUIT Xorg` to kill the X-server you just started |
| 10:32.12 | ber532k | this should take you back to tty1 (where the Xserver was started) and throw a bunch of messages. |
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| 10:32.50 | rufus | killa ommand not found |
| 10:33.09 | rufus | killall command not found |
| 10:33.15 | thereyougo | rjsalts: no, LiveCD, I want to run 10 qemu virtual machines |
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| 10:33.31 | ber532k | ok, something else: |
| 10:33.38 | thereyougo | but I can allocate only under 64MB per VM |
| 10:34.16 | ber532k | on tty2 (you got there via Ctrl-Alt-F2) try running `which gnome-session` |
| 10:35.29 | rufus | ok entered |
| 10:35.41 | ber532k | Does that return some path? |
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| 10:35.55 | rufus | no |
| 10:36.18 | ber532k | Then I guess gnome is not installed. |
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| 10:36.42 | rufus | cxan you send me a link to restart the installation on virtualbox? ay be the one I got was not good |
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| 10:36.54 | ber532k | Did you by chance install any other Desktop Environment? Xfce4, Kde, Lxde, Mate, Cinnamon? |
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| 10:37.22 | rufus | absolutely no |
| 10:38.01 | ber532k | Is internet working from the virtual machine? |
| 10:38.17 | rufus | how to chek? |
| 10:38.37 | ber532k | `ping -c2 http://www.debian.org` |
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| 10:39.01 | ber532k | If that returns 0% Package loss it's working |
| 10:39.07 | rufus | ber532k: will give it another try and revert... thanks for y our patience |
| 10:39.26 | petn-randall | ber532k: Last time I checked ping doesn't cope with url but domains. |
| 10:39.35 | ber532k | `ping -c2 www.debian.org` |
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| 10:40.00 | ber532k | petn-randall: just found out myself, thanks |
| 10:40.31 | ber532k | rufus: Good luck! |
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| 11:50.14 | guest___ | Hello. I'm facing "man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct" when running man, although $LANG is correctly set. |
| 11:50.29 | guest___ | I've already ran locale-gen to no use. Any hints? |
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| 11:51.45 | c1a551f1ed | guest___: On Jessie? |
| 11:52.06 | guest___ | c1a551f1ed: Yes, on Jessie. |
| 11:52.19 | c1a551f1ed | guest___: You could try forcibly correcting the system's locale. |
| 11:52.31 | c1a551f1ed | guest___: localectl set-locale <whatever> |
| 11:52.34 | Brigo | guest___, check localectl |
| 11:52.46 | c1a551f1ed | guest___: localectl set-locale en_US.UTF-8 for example. |
| 11:53.37 | guest___ | `Failed to issue method call: Invalid Locale data.` I tried with both en_US.UTF-8 and en_US.utf8 FWIW. |
| 11:54.08 | c1a551f1ed | guest___: And that locale was properly generated when you ran locale-gen? |
| 11:54.49 | guest___ | c1a551f1ed: Yes, `locale-gen` tells me that en_US.UTF-8 was properly generated. |
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| 11:56.41 | guest___ | Also, FWIW, `locale` tells me that `LANG=en_US.UTF-8` but other values (such as LC_PAPER) are set to `pt_BR.UTF-8`. I don't know why it is set that way; I've never enabled that locale (although my timezone is set to America/Sao_Paulo and my keyboard layout is also a br-abnt one). |
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| 11:58.22 | BluesKaj | 'Morning folks |
| 11:58.34 | BluesKaj | 'Morning folks |
| 11:58.45 | BluesKaj | 'Morning folks |
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| 11:58.50 | guest___ | Apologies. Ignore the `Invalid Locale data` error message, please, I've used a wrong cmdline. Still, the original problem persists. |
| 11:58.50 | BluesKaj | oops |
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| 12:07.03 | ksk_ | hola |
| 12:07.45 | ksk_ | how do I add an IP to an interface, that linux does not arp for? If I do "ip a s" I see "< [snip] NOARP >" in there - but the machine is still arping for that IP :/ |
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| 12:10.47 | guest___ | I've managed to fix it by manually setting LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8. No idea why it wasn't set before. I'll jot that in /etc/environment. |
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| 12:12.44 | zero-crypto | Holla All |
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| 12:21.17 | ksk | I know set arp_ignore for that interface (dummy0) to "8". I am however wondering that this noarp in <> is for? |
| 12:22.36 | guest___ | Oh, wow. Actually LC_ALL is unset and I was ssh'ing into the buggy machines. The problem is not even Debian related. Bitten by ssh idiosyncrasies once more. |
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| 12:23.51 | colo-work | env scrubbing is real |
| 12:23.57 | colo-work | you better respect it! |
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| 12:24.25 | jelly | also, locale names vary between different unices |
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| 12:52.13 | jer0me | hey there. What's the recommend "acpi" setup for a laptop with no DE nowadays on debian stable to get suspend/resume on lid close, acpi buttons, vol control, autoswitch to low power consumption on battery etc? There seems to be quite a choice. |
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| 12:53.49 | sonOfRa | jer0me: back when I used debian (gnome on jessie), it did all that. There was no "setup" |
| 12:53.55 | jer0me | On my thinkpad x220 (~5yo), most things work with acpid, but I have to write some scripts for screen brightness, volume, and so on. apmd handles those ootb on openbsd. I think I may have done a non optimal choice :) |
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| 12:55.31 | jer0me | sonOfRa: yep I guess, but I don't use gnome. I have searched and found acpid, acpi-support, tpd, laptop-mode-tools, systemd even has some features. I'm a bit lost. |
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| 13:02.35 | jelly | how do I tell grub2 on jessie to boot into an older kernel? setting GRUB_DEFAULT= to a non-zero value does not seem to count older kernels that are now present in the "advanced" submenu |
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| 13:04.20 | ksk | hehe, good to see other regular debian user have problems with that, not only me ;) |
| 13:04.33 | ksk | let me thing how I solved that last time :o |
| 13:04.38 | ksk | *think |
| 13:05.30 | ksk | jelly: IIRC you could give it values like 1-5 where 1 would be first(second?) submenu and 5 the entry in that submenu |
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| 13:10.22 | Verity | why cant I install packages |
| 13:10.27 | Verity | how could a debian install break on its own |
| 13:10.30 | Verity | or could someone have hacked it remorely |
| 13:10.33 | Verity | to destroy it |
| 13:10.47 | Verity | I see people trying to send shell codes to my server |
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| 13:12.30 | c1a551f1ed | What is your actual issue? |
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| 13:15.53 | rafalcpp | Verity: what is the error message? |
| 13:16.07 | rafalcpp | how to recreate /boot/initrd....img file? |
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| 13:17.17 | Verity | ok |
| 13:17.20 | Verity | someone hacked me? |
| 13:17.25 | Verity | http://108.166.161.136/raspbian |
| 13:17.29 | Verity | why would that be in my sources.list |
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| 13:19.01 | rafalcpp | Verity: do you run linux or raspbian? |
| 13:19.04 | rafalcpp | Verity: do you run debian or raspbian? |
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| 13:19.24 | jelly | Verity: that link is a 404 |
| 13:19.31 | Verity | yeah its not real |
| 13:19.33 | Verity | its someones IP |
| 13:19.35 | Verity | they must have broken in |
| 13:19.38 | Verity | and put that in my sources |
| 13:19.40 | jelly | and in case you're on raspbian, |
| 13:19.41 | Verity | to install malicious packages |
| 13:19.41 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 13:19.42 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 13:19.52 | Verity | raspbia, yes |
| 13:20.06 | BluesKaj | looks like raspbian to me , I run it too, get help in #raspberrypi , Verity |
| 13:20.09 | Verity | ok |
| 13:20.41 | BluesKaj | or #raspbian as posted above |
| 13:20.43 | jelly | Verity: or it could just be a mirror, IP hardcoded to work even when dns resolving fails |
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| 13:21.03 | userro | yea |
| 13:21.10 | userro | that could be top |
| 13:21.15 | userro | too |
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| 13:21.22 | jelly | dig +short -x 108.166.161.136 |
| 13:21.29 | jelly | mirrors.lucidnetworks.net. |
| 13:21.34 | jelly | whatever that is |
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| 13:21.48 | rafalcpp | jelly: is it possible to recreate that /boot/initrd? |
| 13:21.56 | jelly | redrabbit: update-initramfs |
| 13:21.57 | rafalcpp | so far debian failed me on this task :/ |
| 13:22.18 | rafalcpp | jelly: it does not recreate that file |
| 13:22.43 | jelly | you do not need a file with that exact path |
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| 13:23.00 | rafalcpp | jelly: -c -k all and no initrd file was created in /boot/ |
| 13:23.00 | jelly | unless you're doing something unusual |
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| 13:23.34 | jelly | rafalcpp: which debian release? pastebin the output |
| 13:23.54 | rafalcpp | jelly: deleted /boot/initrd....img because it seem to included inside wrong copy of raid conf. mkinitramfs -k all -c did not create any in /boot , no error messages |
| 13:24.11 | rafalcpp | jelly: btw doing that from inside installer's rescue mode, chrooted into the target system |
| 13:24.27 | jelly | what is mkinitramfs? Which debian release is this? |
| 13:24.47 | rafalcpp | jelly: debian 8 amd64 |
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| 13:25.44 | rafalcpp | jelly: ok will try again the damaged system then. one moment. (was about to give up and reinstall) |
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| 13:26.11 | jelly | rafalcpp: I have no idea what mkinitramfs is and what the correct parameters for it would be. I suggested update-initramfs. |
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| 13:33.38 | rafalcpp | jelly: ok, so using update-initramfs -v -c -k all . it does not recreate the /boot/initrd...img file. I delted that file because I think there debian stored invalid old copy of /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf which was prohibiting bootup |
| 13:34.13 | rafalcpp | all the output from that command is "Nothing to do, exiting" |
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| 13:35.45 | jelly | rafalcpp: do you have any kernels in /boot/ at all? |
| 13:36.28 | rafalcpp | jelly: yes, I did not delted other files there, there is vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64 and kernel boots up |
| 13:36.29 | jelly | rafalcpp: pastebin the output of your "update-initramfs -v -c -k all", and, dunno, "ls -la /boot /lib/modules" |
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| 13:37.49 | rafalcpp | jelly: hard to pastebin (rescue shell), but /boot/ has Syste.map and config and vmlinuz for 3.16.0-4 and a grub/ ; and /lib/modles have 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 13:38.18 | rafalcpp | jelly: this is fresh install, it was overall booting up, except for not being able to open root filesystem in init scripts, because of wrong mdadm.conf |
| 13:38.32 | rafalcpp | System.map |
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| 13:42.17 | rafalcpp | jelly: I see that /var/lib/initramfs-tools/ is empty here. there should be a kernel here? |
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| 13:44.37 | G4F21_ | I've added to /etc/sysctl.conf "kern.warning /var/log/iptables" and the logs are in /var/log/messages |
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| 13:45.25 | petn-randall | G4F21_: What is that supposed to do? |
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| 13:45.52 | rafalcpp | cat fuck_this_fucking_shit > /var/lib/initramfs-tools/3.16.0-4-amd64 and THEN calling update-initramfs fixed it, jelly |
| 13:46.14 | G4F21_ | petn-randall: I don't wanna keep rubbish in /var/log/messages |
| 13:46.33 | petn-randall | !goal |
| 13:46.33 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
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| 13:46.37 | petn-randall | G4F21_: ^^^ |
| 13:46.41 | rafalcpp | seems like a bug, where -c (create) works more like update. |
| 13:47.07 | BluesKaj | rafalcpp, nice language there, not necessary |
| 13:48.10 | petn-randall | wonders if rafalcpp meant echo instead of cat. |
| 13:48.16 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: indeed |
| 13:48.33 | G4F21_ | petn-randall: what? |
| 13:49.12 | jelly | rafalcpp: that's... weird |
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| 13:49.19 | petn-randall | G4F21_: You described a solution that doesn't work. We don't even know what you're trying to achieve. If you tell us that, we could give suggestions what you need to do. |
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| 13:50.02 | rafalcpp | jelly: will bug report it. Also, it's all due to really buggy installer |
| 13:50.20 | G4F21_ | petn-randall: I want to keep iptables logs in /var/log/iptables not in /var/log/message |
| 13:50.40 | jelly | rafalcpp: especially if you can reproduce it reliably |
| 13:50.45 | rafalcpp | somehow the god damned insaller found out that there was a RAID on the disk, even after the disk was zeroed out, and rebootted, still the installer found the old raid (how??????) and created two md0 entries in mdadm.conf |
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| 13:51.30 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: I guess you didn't zero it out then. |
| 13:51.37 | rafalcpp | granted the hdd was only partially wiped out, but partition table was gone. how it discovered old software raid O_o |
| 13:51.43 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: What command did you use to wipe it? |
| 13:51.46 | jelly | rafalcpp: did you zero start 1M and end 1M of every partition and disk? |
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| 13:53.01 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: jelly zeroed beginning of sdb enough so that the installer partitioner stopped showing old partitions and raid and just shown it as unformatted disk with nothing existing logically |
| 13:53.10 | rafalcpp | * after restart |
| 13:53.25 | G4F21_ | petn-randall: get out of here now |
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| 13:53.36 | rafalcpp | dunno. it's as if scanned disk and somehow discovered old raid headers. strange story isn't it |
| 13:53.40 | grizzlyb | what is the difference between a debian and debian mac iso? |
| 13:53.42 | rafalcpp | maybe will have time to reproduce that one one day |
| 13:53.43 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: Try reading the man page before complaining about things that are already documented. |
| 13:54.01 | petn-randall | G4F21_: What? Why? |
| 13:54.08 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: users never do, if it's important it should be displayed inside installer |
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| 13:54.59 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: the mdraid tools already have an option to wipe the metadata. You just have to use it. |
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| 13:55.20 | G4F21_ | I won't waste time on this prick |
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| 13:55.31 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: how can installer find old meta-data, if the partition sdb3 containing it is gone (by removing partition table)? |
| 13:55.33 | jelly | !next |
| 13:55.33 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 13:56.01 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: Have you read the man page yet? It would cut the discussion down greatly. |
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| 13:58.27 | rafalcpp | jelly: now the problem is different, can not find root fs. |
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| 13:59.23 | rafalcpp | that's the classical one. brb, should be very easy |
| 14:00.06 | TomyWork | is /var/tmp cleaned up automatically on wheezy? |
| 14:00.41 | TomyWork | I'm missing a few files from there |
| 14:00.56 | petn-randall | TomyWork: Not if it's on physical disk. |
| 14:01.02 | TomyWork | it is |
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| 14:01.18 | petn-randall | TomyWork: Restore from backups? |
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| 14:01.35 | TomyWork | petn-randall who backups a tmp directory? :) |
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| 14:01.54 | petn-randall | TomyWork: Then the data isn't important, I guess. :) |
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| 14:02.11 | rafalcpp | or not. What was the suntax for grub option linux /vmlinuz.... root=??? ? the /boot is ext4 on sdb1. the actuall root is on encrypted partition that init scripts should open |
| 14:02.13 | petn-randall | TomyWork: But seriously though, there's no tmpreaper on a usual instllation. |
| 14:02.17 | TomyWork | it's not that important. i just want to know if there's an automatism before i tell people that some*one* deleted it :) |
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| 14:03.22 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: which part of "man mdadm"? I don't see it |
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| 14:05.51 | rafalcpp | is it --zero-superblock |
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| 14:06.46 | coke | TomyWork: everyone who uses snapshots |
| 14:06.53 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: Could be. What does the description say? |
| 14:07.13 | coke | on the underlaying storage |
| 14:07.25 | rafalcpp | If the device contains a valid md superblock, the block is overwritten with zeros. |
| 14:07.29 | tdn | I get a lot of ACPI errors in dmesg everytime I run 'sensors' (lm-sensors). How do I fix this problem? http://paste.yt/p5516.html |
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| 14:09.43 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: Does that answer your question? |
| 14:12.03 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: no |
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| 14:12.38 | rafalcpp | still no idea how it survived, and still debian installer should add option to nuke/ignore preexisting partitions it "helpfully" auto discovers |
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| 14:13.38 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: It already has the option? You just didn't use it. |
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| 14:14.34 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: So we already found the option to wipe the superblock. Now we'll take a look at the meta-data format, which is also defined in there. Look up the meta-data formats. |
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| 14:16.20 | XeonSquared | Is it possible to use a kernel as old as 3.2 on Debian 8? |
| 14:17.15 | abrotman | you can try anything you want, it won't be supported, and probably won't work |
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| 14:19.17 | XeonSquared | That's comforting. |
| 14:19.20 | BluesKaj | XeonSquared, suspect you have an app that needs a regression ? |
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| 14:19.46 | XeonSquared | BluesKaj: More like a machine. Newer ATI video drivers don't support the weird GPU in an old Mac |
| 14:20.02 | XeonSquared | You can get sane output with a little messing around but no hardware acceleration or anything like that |
| 14:20.41 | petn-randall | XeonSquared: systemd makes heavy use of cgroups which old kernels don't support. I'd rather find a way to get it running on a newer kernel, maybe even try the one on backports. |
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| 14:22.19 | XeonSquared | Well, the machine is currently running Debian 7, because it's flawless. No xorg.conf neccesary. Kernel 3.2. I tried 8 for a while but like I said, the ATI driver doesn't like the GPU, so I don't think a newer kernel is an option. |
| 14:22.47 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: well --metadata says that meta should be at 4K from start, and on end. Hm, it's in that places in entire "sda" when raid is created on "sda3"? |
| 14:23.41 | petn-randall | XeonSquared: I'm guessing that you don't need to install an extra driver with newer kernels, they support the ATI cards with the FOSS one. |
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| 14:24.02 | XeonSquared | petn-randall: no driver neccesary on the old one |
| 14:24.07 | XeonSquared | It worked out of the box. |
| 14:24.34 | XeonSquared | ... That term isn't entirely accurate, but anyway. |
| 14:24.40 | petn-randall | XeonSquared: I see. Then it should also work on newer kernels, though regressions are possible. |
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| 14:25.15 | XeonSquared | Welp, a fresh install can do X happily on 7, but on 8 I get 4 shades of purple and if I fix that I don't get 3D acceleration so I guess that's a regression. |
| 14:25.19 | rafalcpp | hm after fresh install, still the boot process can not find LV with root, it does not ask for password. Why this could be, the encryption was created during installation (the same way that always worked) |
| 14:26.03 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: If you have the meta-data block at the end of the partition, and you overwrite only the beginning of the disk, have you overwritten the meta-data? |
| 14:26.32 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: effectivly it can not be find, without scanning entire disk, if system doesnt know on which sector sda3 was beginning |
| 14:27.24 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: And what happens if the system reads it from the end of the disk? |
| 14:27.26 | rafalcpp | so metadata that was in sda3+0 or sda3+4096, or sda3+sizeof(sda3) , should be inaccessible after partition table was killed and system rebooted |
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| 14:28.13 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: on end of entire sda there is raid data for raids sda3, sda4, sda5 all together? |
| 14:28.24 | rafalcpp | well that would survive yeah |
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| 14:29.34 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: The mdraid doesn't care much about partitions. If there's no partition table, it'll just read the meta-data from the end of the disk. |
| 14:30.13 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: But this in not a problem, because if you actually *use* the installer to remove mdraid, it'll wipe the superblock. |
| 14:31.18 | BluesKaj | XeonSquared, assume you tried older/legacy drivers on debian 8 ? |
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| 14:33.42 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: not really, if you just click on the disk and tell it to start over with new parttable, it doesn't cleanly remove the raid it discovered |
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| 14:34.17 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: I thought you wiped the disk by hand? Which is it now? |
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| 14:34.40 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: after the option to start with new parttable didn't worked, instead I zeroed begining of disk and rebooted |
| 14:35.24 | rafalcpp | hm on boot, the init scripts do not ask for crypt password that is needed for root. what lines were needed for that, and is it in grub.cfg or in initramfs? |
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| 14:40.30 | rafalcpp | how to see all metadata, mdadm --detail --scan shows just one array, but somehow system detects another one |
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| 14:43.51 | XeonSquared | BluesKaj: legacy flgrx is too new |
| 14:44.54 | XeonSquared | fglrx? |
| 14:44.57 | XeonSquared | shrugs |
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| 15:38.54 | greycat | I'm gonna go with "Try It And See". Not sure what POSIX features busybox sh may be missing these days.... |
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| 15:39.21 | injustice | jhutchins_wk: it seems to be running one of its own scripts on my behalf, which includes capturing dmesg (it uses /sbin/vmcore-dmesg) and also writes out a core file. I want just the dmesg (from the crashed kernel) to be preserved |
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| 15:49.12 | tw | jelly: as /bin/sh |
| 15:49.41 | greycat | There shouldn't really *be* an interactive root shell, or if there is, you shouldn't be worried about strict POSIX compliance in it. |
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| 15:50.48 | greycat | In that case you'd run zsh or bash or ksh or .... |
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| 15:50.55 | jelly | yes |
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| 15:51.59 | king_frog | Hello, I have quite a dumb question and googling it has not helped me |
| 15:52.35 | king_frog | In particular about editing the xconfig file. I tried joining an X11 channel but it was invite only. |
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| 15:53.37 | TimurTheLame | king_frog, let'er rip |
| 15:54.01 | jelly | king_frog: can you find this xconfig file on debian? |
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| 15:54.39 | king_frog | Hello hi, thank you. I'm trying to sort out mouse buttons and a guide told me to edit xconfig. I have the folder it should be in but there is no file here, so either I messed up or I have to make it. |
| 15:55.13 | TimurTheLame | king_frog, can you give us the guide's link? |
| 15:55.17 | king_frog | My question was do I have to edit this file as root or as the user? |
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| 15:56.49 | king_frog | Yes, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_buttons |
| 15:56.52 | jhutchins_wk | king_frog: As root. Look at the docs for how to get xorg to generate a default file. |
| 15:56.55 | greycat | There isn't an X config file by default any more. |
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| 15:58.17 | king_frog | Thanks, that's a help |
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| 15:59.43 | jhutchins_wk | king_frog: Generally anything system-wide will be as root. If it's user specific, as user. |
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| 16:00.15 | king_frog | Thanks again. It's my first time doing running a system with multiple users. |
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| 16:04.56 | tw | Regarding busybox as /bin/sh, since busybox (jessie,stretch) is built to prefer applets, it causes a problem with a number of system scripts including ifup/ifdown and some part of the post-auth x11 session startup (either the xsession cmds or a problem with lxde). |
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| 16:05.52 | tw | there are good reasons to prefer applets when using busybox for recovery, so it's not really a bug, it just doesn't work. |
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| 16:06.18 | jelly | what was your use case |
| 16:06.43 | tw | the main problem is run-parts --list; the busybox run-parts doesn't implement --list |
| 16:07.16 | tw | I am using debian as part of a bsp. |
| 16:07.26 | greycat | !bsp |
| 16:07.26 | dpkg | A Bug Squashing Party (BSP) is a gathering of Debian Developers and enthusiasts at a specific time, to fix as many <bugs> as possible. http://wiki.debian.org/BSP #debian-bugs on irc.oftc.net. Also ask me about <release-critical>. |
| 16:07.35 | tw | Sorry, board support package. |
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| 16:07.40 | tw | too many acronyms. |
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| 16:08.03 | tw | it's an arm image on an embedded system. |
| 16:08.10 | greycat | So the issue with busybox isn't sh at all, but *other* busybox programs. |
| 16:08.49 | tw | Right, and that busybox prefers the internal applets instead of the external ones. |
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| 16:09.12 | tw | The behavior isn't wrong, it's just incompatible with being used as /bin/sh |
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| 16:10.36 | jelly | at least on a system that still uses init scripts |
| 16:11.17 | jelly | if you only had systemd units or whatnot you'd probably care less about run-parts |
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| 16:11.51 | greycat | Biggest user is cron. |
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| 16:37.07 | uso | is there any way to run a process on a system with a very low priority? I'm trying to copy a few TB of data to an external disk, run the process with nice -19, ionice -c3 and nocache and it still renders my whole system unusable |
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| 16:38.16 | DoberMann | uso: usb drive ? ;) |
| 16:38.32 | uso | DoberMann: sure :) |
| 16:39.05 | DoberMann | maybe using ionice it will work, but not sure with usb device |
| 16:39.37 | uso | but the problem is not the USB drive, it looks like the problem is the memory management |
| 16:40.39 | sine0 | fresh debian install, lamp installed. wordpress local dev. the machine is 192.168.0.6 and I am on laptop on 0.5 . when I request the page it really really hangs and loads after about 15 seconds. this has happend to me before on a different computer and network so i know this is some kind of config problem. apache was fine default with virtual hosts, now i have installed wordpress and there is soem |
| 16:40.45 | sine0 | bottlekneck. the trouble is i dont know how to find out whats causing the delay. the server is fresh i5 w8GB ram, on eth0, should be no issues at all. I have watched htop and iftop and there are no problems. |
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| 16:41.20 | uso | the system only has 8GB of RAM and the system uses 80% of the memory for cache so that a lot of the deskop applications are swapped out |
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| 16:42.48 | jelly | uso: that's not a problem as long as nothing is actively swapping in or out |
| 16:43.34 | jelly | uso: run "vmstat 1" for a while, see if there's significant nonzero volume in "si" and "so" columns |
| 16:43.41 | uso | jelly: it havily is, that's what makes my desktop unresponsible |
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| 16:44.19 | jelly | uso: does vmstat's output confirm that? |
| 16:45.06 | uso | jelly: si is between 100 and 500, not sure what units that uses |
| 16:45.51 | uso | but with iotop I see one or more kworker processes with 99% disk usage |
| 16:45.55 | jelly | 1KiB |
| 16:46.13 | jelly | uso: that'd be the one having to deal with usb device |
| 16:46.38 | jelly | sadly this is normal with usb2 |
| 16:46.41 | uso | jelly: and how can I reduce it's priority? |
| 16:47.33 | jelly | no idea, I investigated for a while and decided my time and money is better spent just buying a usb3 card and disks. |
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| 16:48.02 | uso | jelly: that behaviour is fixed with USB3? that would be good news |
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| 16:48.32 | jelly | you can try telling the kernel to use swap less, but that won't solve the cause |
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| 16:49.02 | jelly | uso: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swappiness |
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| 16:49.43 | uso | jelly: I was afraid of that |
| 16:49.46 | jelly | (personally I consider the default "60" value to be MUCH too aggressive for both desktops and server use, and reduce it to 10... whatever that means) |
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| 16:51.16 | uso | jelly: I already have played around with swappiness and vfs_cache_pressure, but that slows down normal disk operations a lot then |
| 16:51.51 | jelly | sometimes picking a different usb port makes a difference |
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| 16:52.21 | jelly | if i remember correctly |
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| 16:53.35 | uso | I'm about to look for a new PC (mainly because I need more memory and updating my old PC is too expensive), so when that problem is fixed with USB 3 I won't invest too much time looking into it |
| 16:53.38 | SlutSex123 | vagina |
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| 16:58.51 | uso | so in general I do not have much control over the priority of single processes, the only way to make the system more responsive is to tune the memory management of the whole system, right? |
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| 16:59.52 | ksk | uso: what? look into cgroups if you want to limit the memory per process. |
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| 17:00.40 | ksk | and "tuning the memory managment" is not something you do, imho. |
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| 17:00.54 | jelly | uso: when you're dealing with a shitty driver for a shitty ehci controller, which hasn't been dealt with properly on linux during the last what, 15 years, the actual thing that works best is to stop using it |
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| 17:01.35 | ksk | oh its about copying to a disk? maybe use some kind of pipe that has a bandwith limit? sounds very hackish though |
| 17:01.53 | ksk | or, use rsync with bandwith. |
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| 17:03.03 | uso | jelly: that means a yes for it's fixed with USB 3, or is it a genearal problem with USB? |
| 17:03.32 | uso | ksk: bandwith limit with rsync that's a good idea |
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| 17:04.09 | jelly | uso: usb3 is a lot better, if anything |
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| 17:04.26 | jelly | even usb3 devices on usb2 |
| 17:04.33 | uso | is there a good way to see what the cached memory is used for, preferrably in an understandable form :) ? |
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| 17:04.55 | uso | jelly: it's an USB 3 disk on a USB 2 controller |
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| 17:06.20 | jelly | dunno, those have been working well for me last couple of years |
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| 17:12.56 | petn-randall | uso: Which kernel are you running? There have been some concurrency fixes for slow I/O devices in recentish kernels. |
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| 17:13.36 | uso | petn-randall: the default kernel, 3.16 |
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| 17:14.21 | uso | petn-randall: I need nvidia legacy driver, does that work with the bpo kernel? |
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| 17:15.25 | petn-randall | uso: I think the FOSS driver will cover that, so no legacy non-free driver needed. |
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| 17:16.52 | uso | petn-randall: I have a dual GPU, 3 monitors setup, last time I've tried nouveau I could not get it to work |
| 17:17.16 | uso | but that has been after jessie has been released, I'll give it another try with stretch |
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| 17:25.31 | dadinn | hi all |
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| 17:26.09 | dadinn | trying to boot debian live 8.6.0 cd image (iso) under kvm, but I am getting an error message saying it is not bootable |
| 17:26.17 | dadinn | is this a known issue? |
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| 17:31.12 | sine0 | how can i disable ipv6 |
| 17:31.42 | greycat | Explain why you think you want to do that, so people can fix your real problem. |
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| 17:32.59 | n0arch | o ive missed u greycat ;D |
| 17:33.03 | sine0 | your astute intuition pleases me. |
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| 17:34.42 | TimurTheLame | sine0, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6#How_to_turn_off_IPv6 |
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| 17:35.00 | KNERD | What's going on with Firefox? Left my laptop unattended for four days, come back and I see Firefox has not only consumed the entire system's RAM, but was demanding more to the point it was causing page swaps which made disk usage go to 100%. |
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| 17:35.36 | missmbob | you can use sysctl for active session. sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 for example |
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| 17:36.45 | c1a551f1ed | Same answer, though. Disabling IPv6 is likely not the real solution to the actual problem. |
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| 17:39.22 | BluesKaj | the new FF versions use pulseaudio by default now ...goodbye FF |
| 17:40.43 | ryouma | BluesKaj: does that mean they will not work if you have purged pulseaudio? |
| 17:40.56 | uso | BluesKaj: do they still work with alsa? (when there's no pulseaudio installed) |
| 17:41.26 | ryouma | purging pulseaudio was the best thing i did for my debian |
| 17:41.32 | BluesKaj | ryouma, no audio |
| 17:41.39 | elatllat | KNERD: plugins? how much RAM you have? maybe an auto upgrade issue? |
| 17:41.44 | BluesKaj | in FF52 and up |
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| 17:42.24 | KNERD | elatllat: I really don't have any plugins, just tab mix plus, and it's an old one with 4GB of RAM |
| 17:42.40 | ryouma | but stretch is below that so maybe they will become sane by stretch+1 |
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| 17:43.06 | ryouma | i have 4gb also and firefox has to be rebooted frequently |
| 17:43.07 | BluesKaj | ryouma, it's a matter of preference alright, especially with intel audio which uses alsa directly with no dependence on pulse |
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| 17:43.43 | BluesKaj | unless you want to stream several audio sources simultaneously |
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| 17:44.37 | ryouma | i only want one at a time :) |
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| 17:44.41 | elatllat | like say p2p/webrtc video chat with a group of 5 |
| 17:44.56 | ryouma | i suppose a notification would be good + vlc |
| 17:45.32 | BluesKaj | ryouma, well, setting google paranoia aside, chrome browser now fills the bill for me |
| 17:45.37 | elatllat | pulse sucks but also is unpractically limiting these days. |
| 17:46.21 | ryouma | i need both firefox and chromium for different purposes (and not sure i can trust chromium's extensions) |
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| 17:47.32 | mednut | Question, I'm currently logged into a machine as root, but I don't have the current root password. Is there a way i can change this password without rebooting the machine and booting into grub? |
| 17:47.51 | greycat | Yes. Learn the current password. |
| 17:47.57 | BluesKaj | well, my patience with HTML5 adoption has run out so chrome it is. |
| 17:48.03 | greycat | Or acquire root privileges somehow. |
| 17:48.10 | mednut | im logged in as root |
| 17:48.16 | mednut | root password needs to be changed |
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| 17:48.26 | mednut | passwd asks for current password |
| 17:48.42 | ryouma | what does id say? |
| 17:48.46 | greycat | Oh, if you are already root, just run "passwd root". |
| 17:49.13 | uso | KNERD: firefox eats up a lot of RAM when it runs for a longer time, mine often uses 5 GB and more |
| 17:49.13 | greycat | root@wooledg:/home/wooledg# passwd root |
| 17:49.13 | greycat | Enter new UNIX password: |
| 17:49.19 | BluesKaj | ryouma, chromium and chrome are different browsers with respect to plugins flash etc |
| 17:49.21 | greycat | Does not prompt for current password. |
| 17:49.22 | elatllat | mednut: sudo -i then passwd |
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| 17:50.32 | elatllat | BluesKaj:what part of HTML5 did FF miss? |
| 17:50.34 | ryouma | BluesKaj: yeah, just don't know if it's safe to use google's product /and/ extensions from its repo, without vetting them |
| 17:50.47 | KNERD | uso: yeah, and that is a problem..memory leak perhapse? |
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| 17:52.15 | elatllat | Yah I think the FF memory issues are Linux specific because (the limiting)MacOS keeps FF around 1GB... |
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| 17:52.22 | BluesKaj | elatllat, it's not FF that's at fault, it's the webmasters etc who don't adopt HTML5 on their websites |
| 17:52.42 | greycat | BluesKaj: or both. |
| 17:52.45 | elatllat | BluesKaj: don't go to those websites |
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| 17:53.39 | BluesKaj | elatllat, heh, how do you know ? |
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| 17:53.53 | uso | KNERD: of course it's a problem, but nothing new, and seeing what complexity browsers have reached it probably never will get fixed, the only workaround is to restart the browser at least once a day |
| 17:54.11 | mednut__ | ok so does anyone in here know much about proxmox / ceph? |
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| 17:54.20 | greycat | !proxmox |
| 17:54.21 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 17:54.24 | ryouma | find . -name \*.sqlite\* -exec echo {} \; -exec sqlite3 {} 'VACUUM; REINDEX; ANALYZE;' \; |
| 17:54.30 | BluesKaj | greycat, most browsers can handle HTML5 already |
| 17:54.35 | ryouma | BluesKaj: |
| 17:54.42 | elatllat | uso: ... or you could make a memory dump and file a bug report. |
| 17:54.50 | ryouma | turn firefox off |
| 17:54.51 | greycat | BluesKaj: "can handle" does not necessarily mean "has no memory leaks" |
| 17:54.57 | missmbob | i dont restart my browser daily. that's silly. |
| 17:55.01 | uso | elatllat: good luck to that :) |
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| 17:56.06 | ryouma | also my firefox has all tabs greyed out by default. dunno if that is bartab or default for firefox these days. |
| 17:57.41 | BluesKaj | ryouma..not worried about google like everyone else is ...internet conspiracy theories is mostly BS anyway , there are other ways to track an why would they track me ..I'm just an old retired guy who they find out quick enough isn't much of a consumer |
| 17:57.48 | KNERD | i think that is firefox..it has gotten hard to tell which tab is open on that browswer now days. I always accidentally close the wrong tab |
| 17:58.30 | ryouma | BluesKaj: dunno re google, just being cautious, don't install non-repo programs, etc. |
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| 17:59.05 | Phage | Is Ruby pre-installed on Debian? |
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| 17:59.29 | greycat | not by default |
| 17:59.37 | Phage | sad panda :( |
| 17:59.38 | BluesKaj | ryouma, my expereince with chrome has been fine now for over a yr ..no worries |
| 17:59.53 | ryouma | you install a lot of extensions? too many moving ads etc. for me |
| 18:00.06 | greycat | Default Debian install has (I think) Bash, Perl, Python. |
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| 18:01.01 | BluesKaj | ryouma, not many just an adblock |
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| 18:20.10 | tdn | Is there a way in Debian 8 with systemd to get a list of all services and which are running and which are not? |
| 18:20.25 | greycat | systemctl status |
| 18:20.39 | greycat | also, systemctl -a ... also, man systemctl |
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| 18:40.05 | tdn | greycat, I was hoping for something that will list all services and then have a status column with values such as RUNNING, STOPPED, FAILED, etc. Maybe even red/green dots. |
| 18:40.11 | tdn | Not sure how to read systemctl status |
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| 18:49.04 | jhutchins_wk | tdn: What about ps ax? |
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| 18:49.34 | jhutchins_wk | tdn: Ah, yeah, that'd be useful. |
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| 18:52.47 | ksk | tdn: from what I understand so far (Talking to the systemd people in irc) and reading that: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/83 |
| 18:52.52 | zylinx | hello, i installed ufw and apt raised 'update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer...' does this mean ufw will not start and reboot ? |
| 18:53.01 | ajaXHorseman | I don't think its my router as everything else on the network works fine. I just went into my router and set it to open dns and it didn't help anything. I am really stuck on this one any help would be greatly appreciated lol |
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| 18:53.15 | ksk | the systemd commandline tools are not to be used via another (automated) tool - you would have to use the DBus |
| 18:54.03 | ksk | tdn: also take a look here maybe: https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-August/037401.html |
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| 18:54.51 | ksk | thats why I still use monit with systemd, which then has its own checks to check if any service is running :( |
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| 19:00.20 | sine0 | greycat: with remote desktop on a headless server does a GPU card help? |
| 19:00.41 | sine0 | im not sure if the GPU sends it all out through the pipes :P |
| 19:00.53 | greycat | tdn: systemctl -t service -a |
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| 19:02.39 | Megaf_ | Hi all, can you tell me a simple and efficient init software? |
| 19:02.56 | Megaf_ | upstart has plymouth as dep and I don't want systemd |
| 19:03.00 | Megaf_ | alternatives? |
| 19:03.13 | greycat | I don't believe there are any that are "simple". |
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| 19:06.27 | ajaXHorseman | Everytime I reboot it sets the dns back to the router(192.168.1.1) the router is set to opendns |
| 19:06.38 | jelly | Megaf_, if you've worked with daemontools before, something like runit will me familiar. Or s6 but I'm not sure that's packaged in debian |
| 19:06.53 | jelly | will be* familiar |
| 19:06.56 | ajaXHorseman | I am out of ideas to try, any help debian world? |
| 19:07.14 | jelly | !override dns |
| 19:07.14 | dpkg | To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer. |
| 19:08.03 | jelly | that's a workaround. Finding the root cause would probably be nicer. |
| 19:08.33 | greycat | It's highly likely the "root cause" is that he's running DHCP. |
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| 19:09.16 | ajaXHorseman | Thank you jelly, trying. . . |
| 19:11.44 | ajaXHorseman | Any ideas as to why it would randomly change in the middle of the night? |
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| 19:12.01 | greycat | DHCP |
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| 19:12.21 | greycat | When the DHCP lease expires, you re-contact the DHCP server and get a new IP and new resolv.conf and so on. |
| 19:12.27 | greycat | Multiple times per day, potentially. |
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| 19:14.05 | ajaXHorseman | I get that but why would it change the dns to my router? Then it uses the router dns settings i am guessing? |
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| 19:14.31 | greycat | Yes, normally a plastic router acts as a DHCP server and DNS resolver for your home network. |
| 19:14.36 | jelly | typically the router is also the dhcp server and dns recursor server. |
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| 19:14.52 | teraflops | heh plastic router |
| 19:14.57 | ajaXHorseman | lol |
| 19:15.04 | greycat | If you don't want that, follow one of the ideas from the "override dns" factoid. |
| 19:15.07 | ajaXHorseman | Well I do have a plastic router. |
| 19:15.11 | greycat | Me too. |
| 19:15.27 | teraflops | we all have one |
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| 19:16.01 | jelly | plastic, reminiscent of "fragile" and "cheap", is also a decent description of such routers firmware, including the dns recursor included |
| 19:16.03 | deego | How do I change my From email address in reportbug? |
| 19:16.17 | ajaXHorseman | lol I just started using dd-wrt and don't really know much about it, thought about flashing back just to see if I could get lucky w/stock net gear |
| 19:16.26 | greycat | deego: man reportbug, look for the word EMAIL |
| 19:16.31 | teraflops | jelly: yeah I got what greycat meant I think |
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| 19:16.51 | ajaXHorseman | But everything else on the network works fine other Debian boxes have no problems. |
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| 19:18.15 | jelly | you can probably configure said dd-wrt firmware and maybe tell it to give dhcp clients a different (set of) dns resolver values. |
| 19:18.31 | jelly | oops, sentence broken |
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| 19:20.06 | teraflops | many of those plastic routers can run openwrt or similar which is nice |
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| 19:25.29 | ajaXHorseman | Do I need to reboot after the override dns? |
| 19:26.05 | greycat | Depends on which thing(s) you do. You probably want to restart the DHCP client daemon. Easiest way to do that is typically "ifdown eth0; sleep 1; ifup eth0" |
| 19:26.10 | ajaXHorseman | I dont think it worked. I really think its something else too possibly. My slack client wont connect. |
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| 19:28.54 | ajaXHorseman | I can connect with hexchat but not slack or my mail client |
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| 19:29.47 | deego | I just submitted a reportbug for hp-scan in that if you scan "my receipt.pdf", it tries to run xpdf on my. Is that just a minor bug, or is it a security issue as well? |
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| 19:30.35 | greycat | Not a security bug, unless this thing runs with elevated privileges. Just a bug. |
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| 19:33.02 | jhutchins_wk | Well, just a failure to deal with an unescaped space. |
| 19:33.31 | jhutchins_wk | deego: Lots of programs don't like spaces in names. Did you have quotes around it? |
| 19:33.51 | greycat | I don't know whether it's a command line program, or a thing that prompts for a filename in a GUI, or what. |
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| 19:34.44 | deego | jhutchins_wk: hp-scan --file="my document.pdf" |
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| 19:35.07 | deego | it scans correctly .. |
| 19:35.25 | ajaXHorseman | When trying to bring the interface down it tels me its not configured. Could Deluge which is the torrent client that was running could have changed something? Or possibly my vpn? |
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| 19:36.00 | tomjones | rv] |
| 19:36.07 | ajaXHorseman | Forgive me if this is a retarded questions, but isn't there logs somewhere that show changes made to the dns or interfaces? |
| 19:36.15 | missmbob | no deluge wouldnt touch anything |
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| 19:36.34 | greycat | ajaXHorseman: the dhcp client daemon may log somewhere. I don't know. |
| 19:37.20 | ajaXHorseman | Man this is looking like a fresh install problem lol |
| 19:37.26 | ajaXHorseman | fack. |
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| 19:38.10 | jhutchins_wk | ajaXHorseman: Are you sure you didn't tell the router to use opendns as the source, but still act as the local DNS server? |
| 19:38.19 | jhutchins_wk | ajaXHorseman: 'cause that's usually all you can set. |
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| 19:39.25 | sh00p | fuaarrk when is stretch stable |
| 19:39.30 | greycat | WIR |
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| 19:39.41 | missmbob | 188 bugs to go |
| 19:39.48 | TomTomTosch | maybe something like journalctl | grep -i 'dhcp' |
| 19:40.05 | greycat | 188 bugs on the wall / 188 bugs / Take one down, patch it around / 193 bugs on the wall |
| 19:40.12 | sh00p | that don't sound so bad |
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| 19:42.00 | ajaXHorseman | lol |
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| 19:57.07 | ajaXHorseman | jhutchins_wk: I only input the ip addresses into the field for static DNS. DHCP type = DHCP server and its enabled |
| 19:57.30 | ajaXHorseman | another note is I can not connect to the router from this machine either. |
| 19:57.45 | ajaXHorseman | I mean I cant access it |
| 19:57.52 | ajaXHorseman | from a browser |
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| 20:01.05 | ajaXHorseman | I can access sites just fine with a proxy and foxy proxy. |
| 20:01.39 | greycat | Your proxy may be preventing you from making a direct HTTP connection to the router's IP. |
| 20:02.12 | jhutchins_wk | ajaXHorseman: So you've set an external opendns server as the DNS for the router? |
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| 20:20.05 | tdn | greycat, that works. Thanks! |
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| 20:30.07 | ajaXHorseman | Im giving up. Ill see you guys on a fresh install. |
| 20:30.37 | ajaXHorseman | side note: best back up for all your files when reinstalling? |
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| 20:34.05 | ryouma | debian has many backup systems. rsync is idempotent, so you can just do it yourself and update it if you remember something new. |
| 20:35.27 | ryouma | rsnapshot is based on rsync. a few others too. . obnam has interesting fanciness. rdiff-backup has a finer-grained transfer system but less familiar retrieval and squashing type options. there are more enterprisey systems too. |
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| 20:59.03 | kevr | is there an alternative to bluetoothctl that isn't interactive? |
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| 21:01.17 | teraflops | kevr: what's your issue? |
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| 21:02.39 | G4F21 | Hello what's the script for simple building debian packages? |
| 21:02.46 | kevr | teraflops: i need to setup some bluetooth management in the background, and i don't want to use an interactive application to do it |
| 21:02.50 | G4F21 | what is it called? |
| 21:03.00 | G4F21 | I remember that was make or something |
| 21:03.12 | teraflops | kevr: as in? |
| 21:03.12 | kevr | but i dont really want to lose the abilities that bluetoothctl has |
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| 21:03.43 | teraflops | kevr: hcitool iirc |
| 21:03.48 | kevr | teraflops: just basic stuff. setup bluetooth device, make it discoverable, scan, make people able to connect to it, with a possible passphrase, etc |
| 21:04.03 | kevr | yeah, ive gotten pretty good progress with hcitool but there's some things that i can't figure out how to do with hcitool |
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| 21:04.06 | teraflops | kevr: scripting it? |
| 21:04.16 | kevr | scripting what? |
| 21:04.19 | teraflops | kevr: use dbus (good luck) |
| 21:04.41 | teraflops | kevr: . setup bluetooth device, make it discoverable, scan, make people able to connect to it ... |
| 21:05.02 | kevr | okay, so after i do that shit with bluetoothctl i can just exit it and itll work fine? |
| 21:05.18 | kevr | but then for example, how do i query bluetoothctl for an already scanned list of devices |
| 21:05.22 | kevr | without being interactive |
| 21:05.37 | teraflops | kevr: the problem is that upstream deprecated many bluez utils, like hciconfig and so on |
| 21:05.40 | G4F21 | Ah I got it |
| 21:05.50 | kevr | yeah |
| 21:05.52 | kevr | i got that |
| 21:05.58 | kevr | but why would they not provide another command-like utility |
| 21:06.00 | teraflops | kevr: idk if stretch will keep them or not tbh |
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| 21:07.03 | teraflops | kevr: as I said use dbus |
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| 21:07.30 | teraflops | it will work, but speaking dbus is like speaking klingon :P |
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| 21:08.25 | kevr | i see, so im gonna have to actually just directly speak to dbus in a script |
| 21:08.28 | kevr | jesus |
| 21:08.29 | kevr | alright, thanks |
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| 21:10.53 | teraflops | kevr: I bet you can use something in the middle for mitigating the pain |
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| 21:11.33 | teraflops | kevr: and ofc bluez has an API |
| 21:11.49 | teraflops | kevr: random search http://smartspacestuff.blogspot.nl/2016/02/i-got-figurin-out-dbus-bluez.html |
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| 21:18.10 | thecha | does the -doc part of any softwar represent its man pages? |
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| 21:18.59 | ryouma | info pages too |
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| 21:38.03 | harovali | hi, any hint to install python3.6 in jessie? |
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| 21:39.36 | jmcnaught | harovali: do it in a container or a chroot, don't compromise your debian system by replacing its python packages |
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| 21:43.58 | harovali | jmcnaught: thanks |
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| 21:57.04 | dokma | How do I tell apt that my packages from backports are newer than stable? It keeps trying to upgrad bpo -> stable. |
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| 22:00.24 | TomTomTosch | dokma: can you put the output of apt-cache policy <pkg> of the package in question on paste.debian.net? |
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| 22:49.48 | dokma | TomTomTosch: https://pastebin.com/peTzrepS |
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| 23:07.19 | missmbob | dokma: it's upgrading to testing/unstable, not stable. as it should. |
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| 23:07.46 | likcoras | Hi, how do I allocate more video memory to vms with qemu/kvm, like in virtualbox? Searching gave me "ram", "vram", and "vgamem" attributes, but adding them to the <video> element with 'virsh edit' has no effect, running 'virsh edit' again shows me that "vgamem" attribute was deleted, and guest does not report more video memory. |
| 23:08.45 | likcoras | Guest starts with 16M of video memory from what I can tell, and I can't seem to increase that. |
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| 23:14.40 | awal1 | dokma, mixing branches? |
| 23:15.07 | awal1 | you may want to paste your apt sources file |
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| 23:17.06 | mutante | apt-get update tells me "Ign http://dl.google.com stable InRelease" "E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found." "N: Is the package apt-transport-https installed? |
| 23:17.35 | mutante | well, 2 questions, first of all that is a http link, not https so why do you need it, and second, "Unable to locate package apt-transport-https" |
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| 23:20.09 | mutante | oh, i think i see now.. that was a red herring, it is skipping one and then the problem is with another source which does http->https redirect |
| 23:21.08 | mutante | still i would like the apt-transport-https package then |
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| 23:26.59 | clementine0 | this might be a frustrating question, but here goes.. i have a friend who is getting an error when booting, says 'failed to load firmware "radeon/R520_cp.bin"'. then then loads to a shell prompt, then goes to a blank screen with a cursor but no keyboard input possible. from what i read it looks like maybe modules kms and udev not loading in the correct order. This friend doesn't really have an internet |
| 23:27.05 | clementine0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.07 | clementine0 | ... router. i'm way out of my depth, can anyone get me on the right path to help him? |
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| 23:35.57 | foxpup | clementine0: what distro is he booting? on which machine? |
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| 23:36.46 | foxpup | maybe try something else |
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| 23:39.56 | clementine0 | foxpup: jessie, not sure about the machine, i know it's a fairly old desktop |
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| 23:59.03 | slack_ | hi |
| 23:59.27 | slack_ | i need to detect sound activity in command line script |