| 00:00.09 | dTal | I always used to just download the official binary installer from NVidia and sod the package manager |
| 00:00.31 | cromulent | I honestly don't care how I do it. I just want a decent looking UI |
| 00:00.34 | tx | the binary driver is good when it works |
| 00:00.35 | tx | :P |
| 00:00.42 | tx | black screen of death is great. |
| 00:00.48 | dTal | broke whenever the kernel upgraded, but rerunning the installer always fixed that :) |
| 00:01.29 | cromulent | how can I tell why I am just seeing a blinking cursor instead of X |
| 00:01.42 | tx | switch to another tty and look at the logs |
| 00:01.48 | tx | ctrl + alt + fN |
| 00:02.00 | tx | if you can't do that |
| 00:02.07 | tx | you may not be up to a stage where you can access the system |
| 00:02.12 | tx | or maybe you're not even past the BIOS |
| 00:02.20 | dTal | they just said they got a login prompt |
| 00:02.33 | tx | "how can I tell why I am just seeing a blinking cursor instead of X"\ |
| 00:02.38 | tx | > just seeing a blinking cursor |
| 00:02.56 | dTal | 00:15 < dTal> and ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't get you a login prompt |
| 00:02.56 | dTal | 00:15 < cromulent> it does |
| 00:03.00 | cromulent | idk why I ask irc stuff lol |
| 00:03.05 | tx | oh lol my bad ;) |
| 00:03.16 | tx | cool, so log in and check out the logs? |
| 00:03.23 | tx | what happens if you try "startx" from your user? |
| 00:03.36 | dTal | cromulent: want your money back? ;) |
| 00:03.48 | tx | how many btc of your time did we waste? |
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| 00:03.57 | cromulent | two people told me to check the logs so far without even telling me which logs to check (which I guessed myself) |
| 00:04.01 | abff | which logs do you think would be pertinent in cromulent's situation, tx? |
| 00:04.05 | cromulent | not saying I want my money back maybe just think it through a bit more |
| 00:04.56 | tx | Well well, su in so that you are the root user. |
| 00:05.07 | tx | And check out the Xorg.0.log and Xorg.1.log files. |
| 00:05.08 | tx | in /var/log |
| 00:05.25 | tx | Use an editor like vi or nano, or just "head -n20" or so those files. |
| 00:05.38 | tx | er, tail rather, not head. |
| 00:06.17 | tx | Alternatively, you could try running X from your user (exit su) using "startx" |
| 00:06.24 | tx | and the log output will go to your console (stdout). |
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| 00:29.31 | Sark | OK, I got Jessie installed, and I still can't get xrandr to see multiple video cards. I've tried two more different cards, still no go. |
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| 00:30.02 | Sark | Also, I'm hitting the same X bug I did previously. If I switch to another virtual console, I cannot switch back to X. |
| 00:30.36 | Sark | Which is odd, since this is different hardware entirely than the last time I installed Jessie. |
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| 00:33.55 | ChmEarl | Sark, do you have SLI enabled in bios? |
| 00:34.55 | Sark | SLI? What's that? |
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| 00:35.47 | ChmEarl | Sark, somehow your system is combining multiple cards into one |
| 00:36.02 | somiaj | sli won't be an issue here as the cards are different manufactures. |
| 00:36.09 | Sark | I don't see how that's possible. Both cards are from different manufacturers and different decades. |
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| 00:36.18 | somiaj | if you have some sort of framebuffer driver loading, these things can usually cause issues with console switching and xorg. |
| 00:38.03 | Sark | I'm still fighting with trying to make X see both my video cards at once. But even with only one working, if I switch away from the X console when it's running, then I can't switch back to it. |
| 00:38.11 | Sark | I can kill X and restart it though. |
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| 00:42.34 | insidious15 | hey |
| 00:42.42 | insidious15 | is libpcre2-8 in debian jessie? |
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| 00:47.24 | insidious15 | it seems there is libpcre3 but not 2-8 |
| 00:47.36 | insidious15 | i'm trying to compile a program that needs libpcre2-8 |
| 00:47.40 | insidious15 | does anyone know ho? |
| 00:48.12 | insidious15 | how* |
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| 00:54.41 | somiaj | ,v libpcre2-8 |
| 00:54.42 | judd | No package named 'libpcre2-8' was found in amd64. |
| 00:55.02 | somiaj | ,v libpcre2-8-0 |
| 00:55.17 | judd | Package: libpcre2-8-0 on amd64 -- sid: 10.22-2+b1; stretch: 10.22-2+b1 |
| 00:55.54 | somiaj | insidious15: maybe backport it from stretch? I don't know much about the libary but that is what I found. One second though |
| 00:57.07 | abff | http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/libpcre2-8-0/ |
| 00:57.09 | somiaj | ,v libc6 |
| 00:57.10 | judd | Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u11; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u3; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u7; sid: 2.24-9; stretch: 2.24-9 |
| 00:57.34 | somiaj | seems the libary only needs libc6 >= 2.14 as a depends, so it might be able to be installed from the stretch package if you don't want to build your own. |
| 00:58.15 | somiaj | just a newer PCRE2 and that is the 8-bit runtime libary. |
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| 00:58.44 | somiaj | also note seems the pcre2 > pcre3 (which was just pcre) |
| 01:00.19 | insidious15 | ahok cool |
| 01:00.24 | insidious15 | thanks! |
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| 01:05.52 | ScHdone | when i want to install driver from ati site fglrx is missing error show |
| 01:06.15 | bazhang | ScHdone, fglrx has been outdated for ages |
| 01:06.26 | ScHdone | i have radeon hd 5500 |
| 01:06.30 | ScHdone | so what should i do |
| 01:06.31 | ScHdone | ? |
| 01:06.36 | bazhang | ScHdone, I thought you were posting in ubuntu channel |
| 01:06.48 | ScHdone | yea i do but no answers |
| 01:07.03 | bazhang | ScHdone, are you on ubuntu or debian |
| 01:07.07 | dax | #ubuntu is for Ubuntu. #debian is for Debian. Not both. |
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| 01:07.27 | bazhang | fglrx wont get help anywhere |
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| 01:08.06 | ScHdone | i will be here |
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| 01:08.18 | ScHdone | so there is no way new distros can recognise my video card |
| 01:08.24 | ScHdone | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.26 | ScHdone | >? |
| 01:09.02 | bazhang | ScHdone, with that ancient card? |
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| 01:09.09 | Papillon | well there's a framebuffer driver which should be universal, there's an open source radeon driver |
| 01:09.16 | dax | an hd5500 should work on radeon with better resolution than that |
| 01:09.20 | bazhang | ScHdone, no OS supports fglrx now |
| 01:09.28 | dax | install the firmware if you haven't already |
| 01:10.02 | bazhang | ScHdone, even when it was supported fglrx was not a good thing at all |
| 01:10.12 | Papillon | AMD Catalyst 14.9 |
| 01:10.16 | Papillon | for hd5k |
| 01:10.25 | dax | AMD Catalyst is fglrx. fglrx is crap. |
| 01:11.12 | dax | ScHdone: do you have firmware-linux-nonfree from the non-free repository installed? |
| 01:11.15 | dax | if not, I'd start there |
| 01:12.05 | ScHdone | no i dont have |
| 01:13.02 | ScHdone | AMD Catalyst⢠15.9 Proprietary Linux x86 Display Driver |
| 01:13.06 | ScHdone | u mean this |
| 01:13.10 | ScHdone | http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/previous/detail?os=Linux%20x86_64&rev=15.9 |
| 01:13.11 | ScHdone | ? |
| 01:13.24 | dax | No, I mean the firmware-linux-nonfree package in the debian non-free repository |
| 01:13.50 | Papillon | Support for AMD (nee ATI) graphics hardware is provided by the xserver-xorg-video-ati driver wrapper package |
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| 01:14.14 | dax | which picks another package as appropriate, in this case -radeon, which we're already discussing |
| 01:14.29 | dax | dpkg: non-free sources |
| 01:14.30 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 01:14.32 | dax | dpkg: firmware |
| 01:14.32 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 01:14.44 | dax | should be enough to get started with |
| 01:15.51 | Papillon | yea, if you're using gnome, you really have to use the radeon driver |
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| 01:16.35 | ScHdone | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.38 | ScHdone | and then what |
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| 01:16.49 | dax | install the package firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 01:16.52 | ScHdone | how do i get driver ....or where or what command |
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| 01:17.02 | ScHdone | dax..what command? |
| 01:17.03 | dax | it's not a driver, it's firmware for the radeon driver you already have |
| 01:17.12 | ScHdone | ok firmware |
| 01:17.15 | ScHdone | how? |
| 01:18.11 | dvs | ScHdone, apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 01:18.19 | ScHdone | i saying again....main problem is that resolution is only 1024x768 max |
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| 01:18.41 | ScHdone | ok dvs |
| 01:18.44 | ScHdone | tnx |
| 01:18.57 | ScHdone | and after that is should be fixed? |
| 01:19.04 | ScHdone | or i need some more commands to enter |
| 01:19.10 | ScHdone | or find something |
| 01:19.13 | ScHdone | do down/ |
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| 01:19.13 | ScHdone | ? |
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| 01:20.02 | Papillon | my advice would be to try to change resolution after you install, if that doesn't work, try rebooting |
| 01:20.05 | dvs | ScHdone, you're using the fglrx driver? It won't make a difference with that. |
| 01:20.20 | ScHdone | no i dont |
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| 01:20.31 | ScHdone | i tried drivre from ati site |
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| 01:20.39 | ScHdone | and i get fglrx error |
| 01:20.59 | ScHdone | or in best case i install driver but then after restart xorg server faild to start |
| 01:21.02 | ScHdone | and bye bye |
| 01:21.28 | dvs | ScHdone, yeah, installing the firmware-linux-nonfree package won't help with the fglrx driver. |
| 01:22.45 | ScHdone | can you tell me what distro has support so i maybe download some old ubuntu or mint or something |
| 01:22.55 | insidious15 | somiaj: how would i go about installing the backport package on debian jessie stable? |
| 01:22.55 | ScHdone | some old version that supports hd 5500 |
| 01:22.56 | ScHdone | ? |
| 01:23.09 | insidious15 | I'm looking for a doc link or something |
| 01:23.10 | ScHdone | and is it smart..? bcz if i do update it will come on same prob? |
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| 01:23.30 | somiaj | insidious15: there is no backport, you'll want to create your own. |
| 01:23.33 | somiaj | !tell insidious15 about ssb |
| 01:23.44 | Papillon | I'm just guessing, you might want to try removing the fglrx package while either leaving the radeon package there or installing it |
| 01:23.55 | insidious15 | ohok |
| 01:24.13 | somiaj | insidious15: the bot should have sent you some basic instructions. Note in this special case, since the depends are only libc6 (>= 2.14) you don't need to make a backport, and you could just install the .deb directly from stretch. This is usuaully not reocmmended unless you are positive the package meets jessie depends |
| 01:24.19 | somiaj | insidious15: there is also no guarntee this will work. |
| 01:24.29 | ScHdone | ok io go now to try this tips |
| 01:24.35 | ScHdone | tnx everybody |
| 01:24.35 | insidious15 | ok haha |
| 01:24.36 | ScHdone | ! |
| 01:24.36 | ScHdone | :) |
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| 01:51.00 | dvs | Azulflame, prevent a join-flood |
| 01:52.11 | Azulflame | ah. Does it just set the limit to $_members + X every Y minutes? |
| 01:52.53 | dvs | yes |
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| 03:10.37 | Sark | Hah. Well, that was rather a lot more work that I was expecting it to be, but I have finally gotten it to work. I now have dual monitors set up in X, with two different video cards. |
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| 03:26.47 | irc2000 | do you know what I hate them most except zionist scum jews? nigger loving white trash |
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| 03:27.05 | irc2000 | but nothing beats the mexican queer LBTRQJDW+ fags |
| 03:27.19 | irc2000 | cannada, go to hell |
| 03:27.27 | irc2000 | white pieces of shits |
| 03:27.50 | irc2000 | !ios |
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| 03:51.53 | AciD` | I'm always puzzled by people just spewing random hatred in an irc chan. Are they expecting some people to say : "ah yes, you're right, let's burn some books!"? Their expectations and IQ remains a mystery to me.. |
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| 03:52.47 | Papillon | the internet apparently has helped hate groups spread |
| 03:53.01 | AciD` | @op here, please add the +r flag to this chan |
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| 03:53.23 | aZz7eCh | on topic or take it elsewhere guys. |
| 03:56.52 | Sark | Well, I spoke too soon. I got everything working the way I want it, but now X randomly just crashes. |
| 03:57.35 | Sark | Hard freeze, keyboard and mouse unresponsive, I can check on a serial console and see that the computer is still running fine, but X is listed as D in the process listing |
| 03:57.51 | Sark | I can't kill it, and I can't regain use of the graphic console. |
| 03:57.58 | Sark | I have to power cycle. |
| 03:58.14 | Sark | There is nothing in the Xorg log. |
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| 04:02.00 | Sark | ah, there is something in dmesg though |
| 04:03.03 | Sark | http://paste.debian.net/922917/ |
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| 04:13.42 | Sark | Yeah - this happens every time I launch X. It crashes after a minute or two. And can't be recovered. |
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| 04:59.40 | laughingtiger | I just installed cinnamon desktop on my laptop, but the desktop has no icon at all, and won't show any installed program icon, is this the default behavior of cinnamon? or only my problem? |
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| 05:03.49 | somiaj | laughingtiger: doens't it have a menu bar at the top of the screen? |
| 05:03.59 | somiaj | or maybe the bottom |
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| 05:10.59 | laughingtiger | somiaj, sorry, didn't see your reply, there's a task bar |
| 05:11.27 | somiaj | you might have to configure things to show icons, seems they just aren't there by default. |
| 05:13.40 | laughingtiger | yeah, I searched and searched and found a way, to remove nautilus. |
| 05:14.25 | mohamed | hi, i just installed linux |
| 05:14.52 | laughingtiger | somiaj, thank you. |
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| 05:17.41 | mohamed | is there little activity on freenode |
| 05:18.06 | Papillon | it depends on the time of day usually |
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| 05:18.41 | themill | Also, this is a support channel, so when there are no bugs⢠and our documentation is awesome®, there's not much to discuss ;) |
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| 05:46.30 | veek | how do i change the mime type for dolphin that i added |
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| 05:51.55 | somiaj | veek: it might use xdg-open which can be configured via xdg-mime I belive. |
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| 05:56.29 | veek | somiaj, gah! i frigging hate kde! |
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| 05:56.42 | veek | somiaj, or anything associated |
| 05:57.04 | veek | can't i get a list of mappings.. |
| 05:57.23 | veek | basically i added it within dolphin by right click icon |
| 05:57.42 | veek | 'Open with'->Other |
| 05:58.07 | somiaj | xdg isn't kde, it is the freedesktop.org standards so things are compadible. doplhpin may have its own gui front end to this, but I belive it uses xdg standards |
| 05:58.25 | somiaj | you can't configure it by a right click? |
| 05:58.47 | veek | nope! :( I can add a new mapping.. |
| 05:59.01 | veek | basically wanted wine to run PDFXchange on .pdf |
| 05:59.21 | somiaj | so what does xdg-mime query .pdf return |
| 05:59.34 | somiaj | one second |
| 05:59.40 | veek | xdg-mime: unknown query type '.pdf' |
| 06:00.05 | veek | i'm using olwm not kde etc |
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| 06:00.14 | veek | but i use kde apps like dolphin |
| 06:00.19 | somiaj | that shoudln't matter, this is freedesktop standards |
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| 06:01.18 | somiaj | you can do this from the command line, I just have to look up the syntax each time |
| 06:02.44 | somiaj | veek: what does this output, xdg-mime query default application/pdf |
| 06:03.21 | veek | zzah nothing |
| 06:03.42 | somiaj | so that is saying .pdf has no default, do you know the .desktop file for the app you want? |
| 06:04.06 | veek | i didn't create an .desktop file |
| 06:04.22 | somiaj | it might be something like, xdg-mime default PDFXchange.desktop application/pdf |
| 06:04.29 | veek | i just added wine .wine/blah/blah and when i right click a pdf file it shows up |
| 06:04.59 | somiaj | if you installed that program from debian it should come with one |
| 06:05.06 | somiaj | wine creates a lot of desktop files for the apps it installs |
| 06:05.20 | veek | no dolphin added this - let me find |
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| 06:06.21 | veek | ah got it thanks |
| 06:06.38 | somiaj | hmm, dolphin may not use these, I was hoping you could just use the xdg-mime tool directly instead of dolphins interface |
| 06:07.53 | somiaj | http://askubuntu.com/questions/165618/how-to-change-file-association-for-files-opened-in-dolphin-from-command-line-in |
| 06:08.08 | somiaj | ahh I guess dolphin ignores some things, that answer may help |
| 06:08.24 | veek | dolphinrc doesn't have it |
| 06:09.07 | somiaj | anyways, this is just how the xdg-mime types work with desktop files, if you don't have all the kde tools to configure them under kde settings you may have to manually set them by editing text files or usign the xdg-mime and various other tools. |
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| 06:15.06 | c-c | ANN: For whats it worth, I made a little crunchbang ripoff. It just installs a minimal set of apps on Openbox. If you like, please see and comment https://github.com/csmr/jesbang |
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| 07:28.16 | afidegnum | hi, i have tried to install debian on my USB drive as a secondary OS to the original windows, but i set the GRUB into the USB drive as well which is not detecting, how do i load and correct the GRUB settings instead of reinstalling the whole OS? |
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| 07:35.43 | somiaj | afidegnum: using efi or legacy boot? |
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| 07:35.56 | somiaj | !fixmbr |
| 07:35.56 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 07:36.11 | afidegnum | my initial system is UEFI but secure boot is off |
| 07:36.31 | Papillon | well secure boot is signed boot, boot signed by microsoft |
| 07:36.42 | afidegnum | i disabled it |
| 07:36.44 | Papillon | though I think I remember a master key being leaked maybe |
| 07:37.06 | somiaj | grub works different with efi than legacy, if booting into efi you don't install the bootloader into a drive like before, you put it in an efi parition. Did you make an efi parittion on the usb drive you wish to boot from? |
| 07:37.20 | somiaj | Papillon: shoulnd't matter since it is disabled, and the installer booted. |
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| 07:37.48 | afidegnum | no EFI partition, I have swap and ext4 |
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| 07:38.36 | somiaj | so when using efi boot grub-efi will need an efi partition. |
| 07:39.08 | somiaj | Also for a usb drive, live images with some sort of persistance is sometimes better than an install due to bus speeds of usb2, though usb3 may not be to bad, I ahven't seen a review, just normally I dont' suggest usb installs. |
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| 07:40.05 | afidegnum | yes, it took 7 hours to install a 250MB installation |
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| 07:42.04 | afidegnum | how do i list my available disks? |
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| 07:42.28 | afidegnum | i m currently on ash terminal |
| 07:44.25 | somiaj | blkid |
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| 08:04.08 | Faceman | Hi! I've installed Debian without WM and after I've installed Fluxbox & I3 for trying⦠Someone know where is a file for config icon cursor for mouse? or if someone know the name of program for edit it (something like gtk theme, etcâ¦) |
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| 08:05.10 | Papillon | you might try asking in ##linux |
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| 08:24.56 | __raven__ | hi |
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| 08:26.17 | __raven__ | i am trying to install debian 8.7.1 i386 on an "amd athlon 2500+". after boot dialog screen gets black followed by kernel panik. how to solve? caused by any legacy cuts? |
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| 08:32.06 | Faceman | Hi @__raven__ I'm not so sure but I had some problem with your version of Debian⦠I suggest you to take another version |
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| 08:41.27 | choice | Good Morning! While updating, my boot partition (500mb) got 100% full and the update failed. What is all that crap in the boot partition? |
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| 08:44.02 | kqr | is there a good general solution to specify DNS statically and manually regardless of what DHCP tells me? |
| 08:44.10 | TimurTheLame | choice, don't know of a solution, but you could check out what files take how much space with the "ncdu" tool. ncdu /boot |
| 08:44.30 | choice | TimurTheLame: Yeah, there is a bunch of stuff in there. |
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| 08:45.03 | TimurTheLame | choice, https://askubuntu.com/questions/863380/can-i-remove-old-dkms-files |
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| 08:46.07 | choice | I will just delete some old "initrd.img-..." files in /boot/ and hope for the best... |
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| 08:46.36 | TimurTheLame | choice, OLD ones. Be careful! |
| 08:47.07 | choice | TimurTheLame: For example there is "initrd.img-4.4.0-21-generic" from 2017-02-11 |
| 08:47.11 | choice | Takes up 12M |
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| 08:47.29 | TimurTheLame | choice, no, that's probably needed |
| 08:47.42 | TimurTheLame | choice, what are you using? Stable, testing or sid? |
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| 08:48.12 | choice | I have a bunch of partitions on the machine. Debian 8 is one of them. |
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| 08:48.39 | choice | Right now I booted into Mint .. I don't know which version. |
| 08:48.50 | TimurTheLame | choice, damn |
| 08:48.55 | kqr | (from what I can tell, network-manager only lets you configure static DNS addresses per-connection, not globally for the machine) |
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| 08:49.37 | TimurTheLame | choice, then don't delete anything that you're not sure of |
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| 08:49.47 | Raven737 | Hi, question, I have a Atom based mini PC. It has a watchdog setting in the bios. If i enable it, it will reset after the time given. I want to use the watchdog but in debian /dev/watchdog does not show up. Why? Do i need to load a specific module? Which one is good for an intel atom based system? How can i find out what i might have? |
| 08:50.36 | TimurTheLame | choice, if I were you, I'd check if there are some old kernel versions installed and uninstall them, but do this only via the package manager (apt) |
| 08:51.46 | choice | TimurTheLame: I tried "apt-get autoremove" but it fails with "No space left on device" |
| 08:51.51 | Raven737 | I tried to add nmi_watchdog to the boot args and i see an non 0 nmi interrupt. Still no /dev/watchdog. Does the kernel need support for a hardware watchdog? How can i check if it has it? |
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| 08:53.07 | TimurTheLame | choice, oh man, you're heavily out of space, then |
| 08:53.19 | choice | TimurTheLame: Well, /boot/ is 100% full. |
| 08:54.05 | kqr | hm. so, to recap: if I want static DNS settings on my machine and I also want to use network-manager, do I have to somehow make network-manager and the resolvconf program play nicely together? |
| 08:54.51 | TimurTheLame | choice, can you paste a "df"? |
| 08:55.23 | themill | kqr: resolvconf gives you /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head |
| 08:55.37 | choice | TimurTheLame: No, I never paste specific data to the net. |
| 08:55.38 | TimurTheLame | choice, * df -h |
| 08:55.40 | choice | Can I safely remove all the initrd...old-dkms files? |
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| 08:55.51 | TimurTheLame | choice, the .old-dkms files, yeah |
| 08:56.09 | TimurTheLame | choice, just be careful to not remove the ones without the "old-dkms" part |
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| 09:01.46 | kqr | themill, but is there a way to automatically run resolvconf whenever network-manager connects me to a new network? |
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| 09:02.09 | choice | TimurTheLame: I removed all the ...old.. ones and now apt-get autoremove worked. |
| 09:02.18 | themill | kqr: are these networks using dhcp? |
| 09:02.36 | kqr | themill, mostly, but not exclusively |
| 09:02.50 | TimurTheLame | choice, good to know |
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| 09:03.10 | bezaban | kqr: what is your goal? :) |
| 09:03.26 | bezaban | oh. backlog :) |
| 09:03.48 | bezaban | avoids the resolvconf package |
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| 09:04.43 | themill | kqr: I think it does so, can't recll |
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| 09:05.33 | kqr | bezaban, well, the greater picture is that I use my laptop on networks I do not trust at all, so I'd like to encrypt all dns queries at all times. i plan on doing this by having a local dns cache, dnscrypt-proxy and then use an opennic dns server for recursive lookups |
| 09:05.39 | Lope | I've got a SSH connection command inside a file /tmp/connect.sh. I'm logged into a sudo shell. I type `su -lc 'bash /tmp/connect.sh' bob` I get an error saying: ssh_askpass: exec(/usr/bin/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory. Permission denied (publickey). Sessions still open, not unmounting. But if I type `su bob` then `bash /tmp/connect.sh` it works? |
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| 09:06.21 | themill | kqr: ah, in that case, unbound and dnssec-trigger are better option |
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| 09:07.00 | bezaban | kqr: right, somewhat similar to what I've been doing with TSIG authenticated DNS. Note that you may encounter problems on networks with captive portals that do not let you access the internet for DNS until you authenticate. |
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| 09:07.27 | themill | (dnssec-trigger helps you deal with the captive portal nonsense too) |
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| 09:07.49 | kqr | themill, which does not prevent logging all my dns queries by the network owner, if I understand correctly |
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| 09:08.01 | themill | you can configure unbound |
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| 09:09.20 | bezaban | but how does dnscrypt-proxy work, does it listen locally for dns request? In which case you could just set a static dns server to localhost, but will have problem with above mentioned networks |
| 09:09.57 | kqr | bezaban, yes. it listens locally for requests, encrypts them and sends them to dnscrypt-enabled servers which are able to decrypt them... I guess. I'm a bit fuzzy on the details actually |
| 09:10.24 | bezaban | not entirely sure how to set default settings in network manager, so you can prevent getting dns from dhcp. Should also be possible to do in dhcp client config or by making resolv.conf unwriteable |
| 09:10.29 | kqr | i have no idea if it's possible to MITM the initial key exchange or something |
| 09:10.56 | kqr | bezaban, preventing network manager from dealing with DNS is just a line in the network manager conf, so that's the easy part hehe |
| 09:11.24 | bezaban | right. so remove resolvconf package, set dns in resolv.conf, profit. |
| 09:12.05 | kqr | yeah I guess should work |
| 09:12.15 | kqr | and then I might use unbound for caching, as themill suggested |
| 09:12.23 | bezaban | except for captive portal networks :/ |
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| 09:13.20 | kqr | well, yes |
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| 09:13.30 | kqr | I'll have to keep that in mind, so I'm happy you warned me about it |
| 09:13.47 | bezaban | kqr: been a major annoyance, so happy to save you some frustration :) |
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| 09:14.20 | bezaban | so much hassle that I'm probably just moving to an openvpn network |
| 09:14.29 | bezaban | with trusted resolvers on it |
| 09:14.37 | kqr | hm |
| 09:14.45 | kqr | could you explain what that means? |
| 09:14.57 | kqr | I'm surprisingly oblivious about anything that contains the letters "vpn" |
| 09:15.14 | Raven737 | hi... anybody know how i can check hardware watchdog support? or general information like what my chipset / mainboard is? |
| 09:15.24 | bezaban | you vpn to a server of your choice so you get an encrypted tunnel out, then you can use dns servers you've made available inside the vpn |
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| 09:16.11 | bezaban | either open resolvers restricted to the vpn(etwork) or resolvers configured to work from your public vpn addresses |
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| 09:17.21 | xormor | the Finnish Social Democrat "Abdirahim "HUSU" Hussein" wants Finnish companies to go to East Africa to collect their garbage, junk and trash. his origins are in Africa. he knows Finnish culture and the Finnish language. |
| 09:17.29 | bezaban | that does require you have somewhere (a server) to run openvpn with sufficient bandwidth |
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| 09:18.10 | bezaban | kqr: added bonus of encrypting all traffic, as opposed to only dns |
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| 09:18.59 | embrik | Can anyone hjelp me with wireless? Wicd reports No Wireless Network Found - I've installed driver for intel 4965. Debian Jessie. The computer is a HP 6910p |
| 09:19.14 | bezaban | (well, not everything everywhere, but at least encrypted from the view of the local network) |
| 09:19.24 | Papillon | you can do lspci to check if the card's detected |
| 09:19.33 | Papillon | then do lsmod to check if the card driver module is loaded |
| 09:20.22 | embrik | Papillon: detected and loaded |
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| 09:20.57 | jelly | embrik: make sure firmware-iwlwifi package from non-free section is installed |
| 09:21.13 | jelly | !iwlwifi |
| 09:21.13 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>, <iwl7000>. |
| 09:21.16 | Papillon | well, sorry, don't really know what else to do. Maybe check ifconfig or whatever? |
| 09:21.29 | embrik | jelly: How do I find out |
| 09:21.35 | kqr | bezaban, yeah, that is something I should eventually look into |
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| 09:25.30 | jelly | embrik: run "dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi", does the last line of the output have an "i" as second character? If not, it's not installed |
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| 09:28.29 | embrik | jelly: It does, there are two ii |
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| 09:35.10 | cnnx | someone told me proxmox is debian based but when i type apt-cache search proxmox i dont see it |
| 09:35.38 | embrik | jelly: I run iwconfig and get: lo no wireless extensions wlan1 IEEE 802,11abgn ....... |
| 09:35.55 | cnnx | embrik: did you type ifconfig -a to see if its there? |
| 09:36.08 | jelly | embrik: I've no idea how to proceed further, just wanted to see if it was the most obvious thing |
| 09:36.40 | embrik | jelly: ok |
| 09:36.43 | jer0me | cnnx: it's the other way round, proxmox is a debian based distro. |
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| 09:37.04 | cnnx | jer0me: but i was told you can install it on debian |
| 09:37.11 | cnnx | is it just not part of the repos? |
| 09:37.27 | jer0me | cnnx: then check #proxmox maybe |
| 09:37.32 | cnnx | ok |
| 09:37.41 | cnnx | wanna to help embrik |
| 09:37.45 | cnnx | wanted |
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| 09:37.56 | cnnx | embrik: ifconfig <iface> <ip> up |
| 09:38.08 | cnnx | embrik: unless you need a module in your kernel |
| 09:38.17 | embrik | cnnx: can't find wireless interface |
| 09:38.28 | cnnx | embrik: which card is it |
| 09:38.34 | embrik | intel 4965 |
| 09:38.38 | cnnx | do you see the module listed in lsmod? |
| 09:38.50 | embrik | yes |
| 09:39.08 | cnnx | whats the module name |
| 09:39.36 | embrik | iwlegacy? |
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| 09:40.00 | cnnx | and do you see something in ifconfig -a |
| 09:40.02 | cnnx | starting with wlp? |
| 09:40.02 | embrik | The right or the left name? |
| 09:40.39 | embrik | lsmod |grep wlp doesn't show anything |
| 09:41.04 | cnnx | embrik: did you apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi ? |
| 09:41.08 | embrik | ifconfig -a : wlan1 |
| 09:41.16 | embrik | cnnx: yes |
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| 09:41.41 | cnnx | are you on jessie or wheezy? |
| 09:41.48 | embrik | jessie |
| 09:42.12 | cnnx | you added the contrib non-free repos? |
| 09:42.17 | embrik | yes |
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| 09:42.33 | cnnx | embrik: ok you said ifconfig -a : wlan1 |
| 09:42.36 | cnnx | so it shows wlan1? |
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| 09:47.51 | embrik | cnnx: Yes |
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| 09:48.03 | cnnx | embrik: whats your local subnet? 192.168.1.0/24? |
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| 09:48.42 | embrik | cnnx: haven't got any |
| 09:48.56 | embrik | I get Ip from a local server on work - I am at work |
| 09:49.10 | cnnx | embrik: do you know what their internal lan subnet is? |
| 09:49.17 | cnnx | what do the first three digits start with |
| 09:49.19 | cnnx | x.x.x |
| 09:49.34 | embrik | 10.53.8 |
| 09:49.36 | cnnx | ok |
| 09:49.54 | cnnx | so try "ifconfig wlan1 10.53.8x up" x=an ip you know is not taken |
| 09:49.59 | cnnx | sorry |
| 09:50.04 | cnnx | ifconfig wlan1 10.53.8.x up |
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| 09:51.00 | embrik | cnnx: unknown host, |
| 09:51.08 | cnnx | what did you type ? |
| 09:51.38 | embrik | ifconfig wlan1 10.53.8.x up |
| 09:51.49 | cnnx | embrik: the x has to be replaced with a number |
| 09:51.52 | cnnx | a unique ip |
| 09:52.08 | cnnx | a digit between 0 and 254 |
| 09:52.10 | embrik | my ip-adresse on eth0 is 10.53.8.174 |
| 09:52.15 | cnnx | ok |
| 09:52.18 | cnnx | dont use that one |
| 09:52.21 | cnnx | use another one |
| 09:52.26 | cnnx | they can't be the same |
| 09:52.37 | embrik | cnnx: but then I have to find a not taken addresse? Or i will kick others out? |
| 09:52.44 | cnnx | right |
| 09:52.50 | cnnx | you can scan your network if you're not sure |
| 09:52.52 | cnnx | with nmap |
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| 09:53.02 | cnnx | nmap -sN 10.53.8.0/24 |
| 09:53.10 | cnnx | or just ask your sysadmin |
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| 09:54.00 | embrik | ok - the wlan has got 10.53.8.81 |
| 09:54.01 | Lope | I found a workaround, nvm :) |
| 09:54.09 | embrik | wlan1 |
| 09:54.23 | cnnx | is now when you type ifconfig |
| 09:54.27 | cnnx | do you see wlan1 ? |
| 09:54.50 | embrik | yes |
| 09:55.20 | cnnx | ok. so if your goal is to use just wlan1, you can type ifconfig eth0 down and then route add default gw <gateway ip> |
| 09:55.28 | cnnx | but be carefull you'll be disconnected form irc |
| 09:55.29 | cnnx | from irc |
| 09:56.23 | embrik | cnnx: Nice, but you see. I am setting this computer up for a friend of mine. He needs to use a networkmanager |
| 09:56.39 | cnnx | ok, do you use the gui? |
| 09:56.54 | embrik | I use wicd |
| 09:57.01 | mzs114 | Lope: share that, this will help us to help others, though I did not read about your issue, other would have |
| 09:57.04 | cnnx | ok haven't used that in a while.. |
| 09:57.12 | cnnx | but should be pretty easy to setup |
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| 09:57.32 | embrik | cnnx: It doesn't report any wireless networks |
| 09:57.51 | cnnx | embrik: what does /etc/init.d/wcid status say? |
| 09:58.31 | embrik | cnnx: alot |
| 09:59.14 | cnnx | embrik: does it say running? |
| 09:59.23 | embrik | cnnx: yes |
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| 10:00.03 | embrik | I have to set this up to work out of the box with dhcp |
| 10:00.18 | cnnx | embrik: i can't help you further cause i have similar problems on my gentoo system, i got everything to work on the command line with scripts but my network manager gui doesn't want to cooperate |
| 10:00.55 | embrik | OK - cnnx . Thanks for spending your time on me - appreciate it |
| 10:01.03 | cnnx | embrik: no problem |
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| 10:03.36 | SanchoPensa | hey guys! |
| 10:03.36 | SanchoPensa | i am ahving a very odd phenomenon here: lsof -i says, i have minidlnad installed, which i never installed, so no idea, from where it comes. Debian wiki says, it tis a media stremaing server, like for videos, mp3 and such. lsof -i further says, that it is connected to an IP address of 239.255.255.250:1900 and according to whois.ripe.net it is assigned to IETF. what the heck is this doing, and why? |
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| 10:06.42 | TimurTheLame | SanchoPensa, most faithful and just squire of mine, it is obvious that the wizard with which I do constant battle has decided to play tricks upon thee as well by way of this minidland package. |
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| 10:07.24 | SanchoPensa | TimurTheLame: dude, that is indeed a pretty lame answer.. |
| 10:07.37 | TimurTheLame | SanchoPensa, couldn't help it :D |
| 10:07.51 | SanchoPensa | :D |
| 10:07.52 | TimurTheLame | Don Quixote's one of my favourite books |
| 10:08.32 | jelly | SanchoPensa: that address is in multicast segment. Look at your apt/aptitude logs to see if something else you installed pulled this piece of software in as as dependency |
| 10:09.05 | jelly | ,i minidlna |
| 10:09.06 | judd | Package minidlna (net, optional) in jessie/amd64: lightweight DLNA/UPnP-AV server targeted at embedded systems. Version: 1.1.2+dfsg-1.1+b3; Size: 133.5k; Installed: 322k; Homepage: http://sourceforge.net/projects/minidlna/ |
| 10:09.40 | SanchoPensa | jelly: thanks, and gimme a sec, pls |
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| 10:11.36 | jer0me | SanchoPensa: maybe it's just a dependency to something you installed, such as kipi-plugins |
| 10:11.56 | SanchoPensa | judd: thanks |
| 10:12.11 | SanchoPensa | jer0me: mhm, so said jelly |
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| 10:12.47 | jelly | SanchoPensa: "aptitude why minidlna" |
| 10:12.57 | SanchoPensa | jelly: doens't seem to be contained within apt-logs |
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| 10:13.44 | SanchoPensa | jelly: that is one heck of a command, i didn't know it yet, so thanks for it! |
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| 10:14.07 | SanchoPensa | jer0me: yes, kipi-plugins it is! so what the heck are kipi- plugins? :D |
| 10:14.18 | themill | ,i kipi-plugins |
| 10:14.19 | judd | Package kipi-plugins (graphics, optional) in jessie/amd64: image manipulation/handling plugins for KIPI aware programs. Version: 4:4.4.0-1.1; Size: 4477.7k; Installed: 17522k; Homepage: http://www.digikam.org |
| 10:14.49 | jer0me | don't know. apt-cache rdepends minidlna just listed this package |
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| 10:15.10 | SanchoPensa | KDE4 it is... |
| 10:15.17 | SanchoPensa | thank you very much, gentlemen! :) |
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| 10:19.09 | jer0me | "Obviously," replied Don Quijote, "you don't know much about adventures.â |
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| 10:29.19 | SanchoPensa | jer0me: if only you knew... :) |
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| 10:44.11 | rgr | It strikes me that having to run mysql as system root in order to add users etc is pretty dumb. It's like needing root to add a printer. |
| 10:44.41 | centrx | mysql is pretty dumb too |
| 10:44.49 | Papillon | that is weird |
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| 10:46.00 | rgr | it's a new "security measure". Nothing wrong with mysql in the main. But this is silly. Im sure there are bigger reasons for it but its horrible. |
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| 10:50.19 | sypher | rgr: Do you mean logging in as MySQL's root user, or the actual system root user? |
| 10:54.28 | vlt | rgr: I cannot confirm that you need to run mysql as system root in order to add users. |
| 10:54.51 | sypher | rgr: Same. I'm able to do so by logging in as MySQL's admin user via my normal user. |
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| 12:16.18 | d3xter | hey guys! how can i display a virtual keyboard like florence on top of fullscreen firefox in openbox/lxde? it seems like florence is just a normal window to openbox and is displayed below firefox |
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| 12:42.08 | tdn | I have an HP MicroServer n40l that seems to reboot periodically without warning. I run Debian GNU/Linux 8 on it. There is nothing in the logs. How do I even approach debugging this? |
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| 12:43.08 | jelly | tdn: configure iLO and look at IML and iLO logs |
| 12:44.40 | tdn | jelly, not sure how to configure iLO. I do not think there is iLO on the microserver. |
| 12:44.50 | tdn | jelly, is that not a proliant only thing? |
| 12:45.34 | jelly | read the specs, many microservers have it |
| 12:46.31 | tdn | jelly, it would require a separete ethernet port, right? There is only one ethernet port on the server |
| 12:46.51 | colo-work | tdn, try loading the "ipmi_devintf" kernel module. does that make /dev/ipmi* show up? |
| 12:47.08 | colo-work | a separate phys. interface is not strictly required for IPMI LAN connectivity |
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| 12:48.04 | jelly | tdn: that's better but not the only option. It can share the same port as first onboard ethernet. |
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| 12:48.23 | tdn | colo-work, loaded module. Nothing named /dev/ipmi* |
| 12:48.35 | jelly | tdn: https://liquidstate.net/hp-microserver-n40l/ this person shows something that, while not exactly iLO, looks pretty close |
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| 12:49.00 | colo-work | jelly, afair, there's an add-on card you can buy |
| 12:49.04 | colo-work | that provides IPMI support |
| 12:49.08 | colo-work | for that specific model |
| 12:49.12 | Hyp3ri0n | what is the package name of Geany Plugins |
| 12:49.19 | tdn | jelly, thanks. That looks like he bought an extra card |
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| 12:49.33 | colo-work | Hyp3ri0n, apt-cache search geany-plugin- |
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| 12:49.38 | Hyp3ri0n | ok |
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| 13:42.09 | snape | I'm looking for a program that would spawn a small http server delivering a file/directory upon request. |
| 13:42.26 | snape | woof does exactly that, but it is outdated on debian |
| 13:42.54 | netzverweigerer | snape: python -mSimpleHTTPServer ? |
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| 13:45.56 | snape | netzverweigerer: thanks, it does the job. Although not as well as woof. |
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| 13:46.43 | snape | woof serves only the file I want to serve. With python, I would need a few extra manipulations: |
| 13:46.51 | snape | put the file in an empty directory |
| 13:47.05 | Chrismeister | I run the following commands between two directly connected computers: |
| 13:47.09 | Chrismeister | ssh-keygen |
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| 13:47.16 | Chrismeister | ssh-copy-id |
| 13:47.26 | Chrismeister | The key is added still the server reports |
| 13:47.26 | snape | and close the http server once download is done |
| 13:47.33 | Chrismeister | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.7.1-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 13:47.36 | Chrismeister | whoops |
| 13:47.51 | Chrismeister | sign_and_send_pubkey: signing failed |
| 13:48.17 | Chrismeister | I have made a couple of new keys and a couple of ssh-copy-id |
| 13:48.23 | Chrismeister | because of testing' |
| 13:48.36 | Chrismeister | the first key worked fine, but after that all issues began |
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| 13:51.21 | Chrismeister | Solved, I had to perform a ssh-add |
| 13:51.29 | Chrismeister | on the SSH client |
| 13:51.53 | sypher | !enter |
| 13:51.53 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 13:52.16 | Chrismeister | Whoops, I will think about that! |
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| 13:54.34 | petn-randall | Chrismeister: No problem. The "makes it difficult to follow" part becomes especially apparent when the channel here is busy. |
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| 13:57.24 | Chrismeister | petn-randall: I fully understand that. My question was not very well structured either. Probably better to clean it up before posting. |
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| 13:59.14 | petn-randall | Chrismeister: We're all here to learn. :) |
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| 14:00.32 | Guest18702 | hello |
| 14:00.33 | snape | and woof allows people to send files to the web server (via a form), which python alone does not. |
| 14:00.47 | Guest18702 | i am new to linux |
| 14:00.59 | Guest18702 | can anyone tell me about multiple ssh |
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| 14:01.48 | petn-randall | Guest18702: What is that supposed to be? |
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| 14:02.15 | missmbob | GNU Parallel |
| 14:02.25 | Guest18702 | i want to connect to more than one terminal remotely |
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| 14:02.41 | Guest18702 | i am connecting to single pc remotely using ssh |
| 14:02.59 | Guest18702 | but i dont know how to connect to multiple pcs |
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| 14:03.51 | snape | Guest18702: won't 'ssh <pc2>' work? |
| 14:04.05 | Guest18702 | i dont kknow wath it mean |
| 14:04.22 | sypher | !tell Guest18702 about enter |
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| 14:05.35 | snape | you probably did "ssh <the address to PC 1>" to connect to your first PC, or something like that. What don't you do the same for the other PC? Or maybe I did not understand the question. |
| 14:05.46 | snape | s/What/Why |
| 14:06.24 | Guest18702 | i want to connect to both pcs at the same time |
| 14:06.28 | peixoto | hello there |
| 14:06.29 | peixoto | tell me, do you know of burning program that has the option "multisessions" |
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| 14:07.13 | snape | Guest18702: you can have two different ssh sessions in two different terminals. |
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| 14:07.55 | Guest18702 | but if i want to access both in one terminal what should i do |
| 14:08.19 | Guest18702 | for example if i type init 0 then both pcs should turn off |
| 14:08.42 | snape | Oh I see. You could use tmux, and the synchronize-panes option |
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| 14:09.51 | Guest18702 | ok |
| 14:09.57 | mzs114 | Guest18702: I think terminator supports similar option, I have not used it, check it out |
| 14:10.07 | Guest18702 | ok i will |
| 14:10.13 | die7 | is there any m/monit alternative? |
| 14:10.16 | snape | tmux is a terminal multiplexer. That way you will have two virtual terminals in the same terminal. And with that option you can synchronize panes, so that every command you type will be synced in the virtual terminals you wish. |
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| 14:11.25 | petn-randall | Guest18702: clusterssh would also work to type commands into to ssh sessions at the same time. |
| 14:11.29 | mzs114 | die7: https://alternativeto.net/software/monit/?license=opensource |
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| 14:11.56 | die7 | mzs114: tnx! |
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| 14:12.51 | Guest18702 | i will use that |
| 14:12.54 | Guest18702 | thanks |
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| 15:00.18 | jhutchins | peixoto: What do you actually want to do? |
| 15:00.48 | jhutchins | peixoto: Tell us your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
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| 15:06.29 | peixoto | jhutchins, it's okay, i used k3b, it worked |
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| 15:07.37 | peixoto | jhutchins, i wanted to burn a mp3 on a disc, use it on my autoradio, then, add another mp3 to the cd, etc, etc. do a multisession data burning disc. i tried with xfburn and brasero but i didn't find the option... k3b had this. thank you. ;) |
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| 15:12.03 | jhutchins | pierrot: Ok, wasn't sure what you meant by multi-session, I understand now. |
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| 16:18.45 | galex-713 | Hi |
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| 16:19.09 | galex-713 | I'm doing a Jessie install with the xfce live system from a usb stick and the install process says the mirror is corrupted |
| 16:19.26 | galex-713 | in fact I just checked the mirror and it seems the structure of directories has changes |
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| 16:20.05 | galex-713 | and the install process says âmirror does not support the specified release (jessie)â, yet debian.org says the current stable is jessie |
| 16:20.09 | galex-713 | any idea? |
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| 16:21.22 | littebird | is in VM? |
| 16:22.39 | petn-randall | galex-713: We recommend using the network installer, not the live image. The latter is a lot less tested and may contain bugs. |
| 16:22.51 | missmbob | s/may/does |
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| 16:23.43 | galex-713 | ah ok |
| 16:23.50 | galex-713 | even when thereâs a poor connection? |
| 16:24.02 | littebird | what is u installing |
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| 16:24.16 | galex-713 | also I like to test how each DE works on old computers before installing |
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| 16:25.24 | petn-randall | galex-713: If you have a poor connection you can download the DVD image(s) where you have a good connection. That'll reduce a lot of the download size during installation. |
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| 16:25.53 | galex-713 | yeah but isnât the live system just a dvd image with the possibility of running the live system? |
| 16:26.09 | petn-randall | no |
| 16:26.23 | missmbob | a lot of hacks are done to the live to make it work. which is why things are broken. like efi support |
| 16:26.29 | petn-randall | the Debian live DVD and the DVD installer are completely different projects. |
| 16:26.30 | galex-713 | Also, I directly chosed the âInstallerâ option on my live system image, so Iâm using the same installer of the dvd imae |
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| 16:26.56 | missmbob | it's not the same |
| 16:28.03 | galex-713 | petn-randall, but is the difference about the whole iso image or just about the âLiveâ entries at the isolinux boot menu? |
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| 16:28.51 | stoned | Hello I'm alive |
| 16:28.56 | petn-randall | galex-713: the whole image |
| 16:29.34 | stoned | I have this: /dev/sdb7 as swap, size 7812092 used 294356 and I want to disable this swap without rebooting |
| 16:29.36 | galex-713 | ok |
| 16:29.37 | stoned | Do you know how? |
| 16:29.40 | petn-randall | galex-713: So the "Installer" option in the live DVD has bugs that the "Install" option on the installation DVD doesn't have. |
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| 16:30.08 | TimurTheLame | stoned, swapoff /dev/sdb7 |
| 16:30.11 | stoned | I setted up the /swap file on ssd and now I want to turn off |
| 16:30.13 | stoned | it won't turn off. |
| 16:30.13 | stoned | :) |
| 16:30.18 | stoned | it hangs there, maybe I di di twrong |
| 16:30.22 | stoned | but I used the same command line as you |
| 16:30.25 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 16:30.25 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:30.51 | TimurTheLame | stoned, if it hangs, it means that it's transferring the swapped information back to the RAM |
| 16:31.02 | stoned | I see. |
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| 16:31.20 | stoned | What happens if yo uwant to get rid of all swap data |
| 16:31.28 | stoned | I don't want back to memory maybe? |
| 16:32.03 | galex-713 | stoned, would break the system |
| 16:32.11 | galex-713 | stoned, important data may be in swap |
| 16:32.18 | stoned | Interesting to see. |
| 16:32.26 | stoned | What data would be important in swap? |
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| 16:32.38 | stoned | do kernel pages out to swap too or remain in memory? |
| 16:32.44 | galex-713 | anything in ram is essential to the system running, like, what program is running, and doing what, how, why, etc. |
| 16:32.46 | stoned | importnat stuff shoudl always be in memory, no? neve rpage out? |
| 16:32.54 | galex-713 | so that would like removing random stuff from memory |
| 16:32.57 | JuPaname | Bonjour tout le monde |
| 16:32.58 | stoned | hmm |
| 16:33.01 | stoned | okay |
| 16:33.12 | stoned | Jon bon jovi to you too |
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| 16:33.34 | galex-713 | in my mind the smart way to manage swap would not to put unimportant stuff in it but stuff that donât need to be accessed very quickly |
| 16:33.53 | stoned | Well, I am poor, with only 8 GB ram |
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| 16:34.10 | stoned | I used 4GB of RAM to compress it and used as a compressed block device in ram to page to |
| 16:34.11 | bin_bash | galex-713: how would you determine what went into swap and what didnt |
| 16:34.13 | stoned | using ZFS |
| 16:34.15 | stoned | I mean not zfs. |
| 16:34.21 | stoned | zram |
| 16:34.26 | tewlewps | hello. im wondering if anyone knows how i can find the potential status/update of packages to be released? specifically irssi 0.8.17 -> 0.8.20 |
| 16:34.27 | galex-713 | petn-randall, anyway, since my install process took an hour (or more) should I really try again the whole installation with the network installer to get any support or is there another way to debug this? |
| 16:34.28 | TimurTheLame | stoned, you privileged bastard; I have 4GB RAM |
| 16:34.38 | somiaj | ,v irssi |
| 16:34.39 | judd | Package: irssi on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.15-5; wheezy-security: 0.8.15-5+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 0.8.17-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 0.8.17-1+deb8u1; jessie: 0.8.17-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 1.0.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.0.2-1; sid: 1.0.2-1 |
| 16:34.40 | stoned | So I have 4gb of uncompressed ram, I have 4gb of ZRAM devices, 2GB each. |
| 16:35.05 | galex-713 | bin_bash, I donât know any high-level way to do that, since the kernel manages this |
| 16:35.08 | stoned | Now, out of the 4GB remaaining, when the swapoff xfers the data back into ram, I assume it will go into the uncompressed ram? |
| 16:35.09 | somiaj | tewlewps: jessie is frozen and will stick with 0.8.17 + security updates, if you want a newer version you can get 1.0.2 from jessie-backports |
| 16:35.19 | galex-713 | so itâs kernel stuff, donât even know if thereâs a utility for that |
| 16:35.22 | stoned | And then when that fills up it goes into the zram device? |
| 16:35.36 | stoned | wait, that raises the question of who zram works. when it pages out to zram. |
| 16:35.37 | galex-713 | petn-randall, so do I abort? |
| 16:35.39 | tewlewps | somiaj: ok thx i'll look into that |
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| 16:36.32 | stoned | https://www.google.com/search?q=zram&oq=zram <- haha, my blog is the first one. Anway. zram increases performance by avoiding paging to disk and using a compressed block device in RAM instead, inside which paging takes place until it is necessary to use the swap space on a hard disk drive. Right I'm dumb. |
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| 16:36.56 | stoned | It pages to compressed ram device first, then out to disk if that gets full, so when I xfer back from swap to ram, it goes into zram and has to be compressed |
| 16:37.03 | stoned | mabye thta's why it hangs more |
| 16:37.03 | stoned | ? |
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| 16:37.55 | galex-713 | stoned, maybe it makes it more long, anyway transferring swap to ram is slow because swap is always more slow than ram since everything except registers is more slow than ram (including hds and ssds) |
| 16:39.12 | stoned | ok, it is off now. Took a while, long while. |
| 16:39.14 | stoned | Thanks, then. |
| 16:39.54 | stoned | But anyone who wants to knwo what I did to my debian: https://stoned.io/linux/Using-ZRAM-Compressed-RAM-Block-Device-On-Debian-Jessie-On-Old-Hardware/ |
| 16:40.05 | stoned | Squeeze all the life juice from this old machine. |
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| 16:40.22 | johnkeates | I'd Jessie it at least, Squeeze is old now |
| 16:40.36 | stoned | haha, you know what I mean. :D Good pun. |
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| 16:40.51 | johnkeates | ;-) |
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| 16:41.06 | TimurTheLame | stoned, err... do you know about vm.swappiness? :P |
| 16:41.06 | galex-713 | ok, I abort anyway |
| 16:41.16 | stoned | yes, I set him to like 20 or something |
| 16:41.19 | stoned | I can't remember. |
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| 16:42.32 | TimurTheLame | stoned, I have 4GB and rarely swap with swappiness of 10 |
| 16:42.34 | stoned | nope 60 |
| 16:42.42 | stoned | /proc/sys/vm/swappiness 60 |
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| 16:42.51 | TimurTheLame | stoned, set it to 10 and be set free :) |
| 16:42.59 | stoned | why so low? |
| 16:43.08 | stoned | shouldn't somethings page out? |
| 16:43.09 | stoned | I dunno. |
| 16:43.14 | petn-randall | stoned: Your own web page is the first hit because you're in a google bubble. There's no blog link on my first search page. |
| 16:44.02 | stoned | Yeah probably. |
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| 16:44.23 | stoned | https://duckduckgo.com/?q=stoned+zram&t=hb&ia=web I dunno man. |
| 16:44.32 | TimurTheLame | stoned, you're probably not using all of your RAM when you start swapping |
| 16:44.34 | stoned | "stoned zram" brings my article as the first one for debian stuffs |
| 16:44.47 | TimurTheLame | stoned, because you have such a high swappiness |
| 16:45.04 | TimurTheLame | stoned, try a value of 10 for a while and see if it makes a difference. It did in my case. :) |
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| 16:45.23 | stoned | TimurTheLame: I can try it at 10. I don't mind. It's jsut that what happens, is chrome takes ram, and then when I'm around like 90% usage, it pages like crazy and system hangs until it pages out |
| 16:45.30 | stoned | Now it might be different since I move swap to ssd |
| 16:45.51 | stoned | So when it needs to swap out, it does ALL at once. |
| 16:45.59 | stoned | That can be annoying too. If you set value too low, you konw |
| 16:46.21 | stoned | TimurTheLame: do you understand the problem of setting too low? |
| 16:46.40 | stoned | bulk swapping is annoyingly slow and kind of freezes the whole system for a while. |
| 16:46.48 | TimurTheLame | stoned, yeah, but I rarely swap |
| 16:46.58 | stoned | oh 4gb? What are you using? |
| 16:47.01 | han-solo | I like the google chrome rage comics :} |
| 16:47.06 | stoned | I only mostly use cli apps and one google chrome stuff |
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| 16:47.55 | TimurTheLame | stoned, I use google chrome, too. Running awesomewm as well. |
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| 16:48.10 | stoned | xmonad here |
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| 16:48.48 | TimurTheLame | stoned, and you end up swapping with chrome alone? |
| 16:49.30 | TimurTheLame | stoned, I swap only when I either compile in Android Studio or running a VM alongside browsing and whatnot |
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| 16:50.10 | TimurTheLame | But, eh, I tweaked Android Studio for low memory usage as well... |
| 16:50.10 | stoned | How many tabs?extentions? |
| 16:50.14 | stoned | I have maybe too many. |
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| 16:51.24 | ghenry_work | howdy. Are there any tools I can can read the docs for that can add some white noise to wipe bits of a phone conversation out? Audacity? I'm looking to script it. |
| 16:51.33 | TimurTheLame | stoned, I rarely have more than 5 tabs opened at the same time in my browsers :D |
| 16:51.40 | TimurTheLame | stoned, and ~7 extensions |
| 16:52.11 | TimurTheLame | gtg |
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| 16:56.39 | galex-713 | ok super strange the install process fuck up my usb stick :o |
| 16:56.44 | galex-713 | just reformated it |
| 16:56.48 | galex-713 | retrying with netinst |
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| 16:58.39 | rgr | what do you mean "with netinst"? netinst goes on a usb stick doesnt it? |
| 16:58.49 | missmbob | you dont format. iso hass its own fs |
| 16:58.59 | missmbob | how did you copy it to usb? |
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| 16:59.36 | rgr | simply cat isofile.iso > /dev/sdd for example |
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| 17:00.11 | newww4 | can someone recomend secure secure wwwbrowsers for debian ? I feel like firefox has too many features for me. |
| 17:01.12 | galex-713 | petn-randall, ok you seemed to be right, restarting install with netinst seems to work better |
| 17:01.45 | galex-713 | newww4, midori? |
| 17:01.47 | galex-713 | dunno |
| 17:02.04 | galex-713 | firefox features includes many extensions useful for security/privacy |
| 17:02.44 | galex-713 | normally youâre just better with firefox than any other current browser, but otherwise any free software browser not owned by a commercial conglomerate like google seems to be cool |
| 17:02.55 | newww4 | i have looked at netsurf, seems very good, not sure if its still maintained properly |
| 17:03.02 | galex-713 | so anything but chromium is cool: midori, epiphany/gnome-www-browser, etc. |
| 17:03.08 | han-solo | i vote lynx |
| 17:03.10 | han-solo | :} |
| 17:03.12 | galex-713 | lol |
| 17:03.19 | dTal | lynx is bloated, I vote retawq |
| 17:03.20 | n4dir | there is also uzbl and surf. And a few more, like dillo |
| 17:03.25 | han-solo | i still use lynx :} |
| 17:03.29 | galex-713 | the only currently decent web engine thatâs not mozillaâs is webkit |
| 17:03.39 | galex-713 | (also blink, letâs say itâs webkit-unstable) |
| 17:03.40 | newww4 | what you guys think about netsurf ? |
| 17:03.53 | n4dir | but in the end you don't have that much options when it comes to browser (either they lack functionality, or you stick to firefox or chromium) |
| 17:03.59 | petn-randall | galex-713: What do you use to prepare the usb image? You shouldn't be using rufus or unetbootin for that. |
| 17:04.01 | galex-713 | han-solo, I used to prefer w3m and emacsâ w3 :p |
| 17:04.07 | galex-713 | petn-randall, dd |
| 17:04.11 | han-solo | :} |
| 17:04.14 | petn-randall | galex-713: Ok, good. |
| 17:04.17 | galex-713 | I get the iso from debian.org and dump it with dd |
| 17:04.22 | galex-713 | on /dev/sdb |
| 17:04.25 | n4dir | netsurf is good if you don't want to visit so called modern websites |
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| 17:04.44 | galex-713 | never understood why not /dev/sdb1 but itâs working anyway so⦠(does the iso contain a partition table?) |
| 17:04.46 | n4dir | but so are any of the smaller ones |
| 17:04.49 | han-solo | Just use mozilla, and call it a day |
| 17:04.53 | galex-713 | âmodern websitesâ xD |
| 17:04.58 | missmbob | galex-713: yes |
| 17:05.04 | galex-713 | âworks better with Google Chromeâ websites too then :p |
| 17:05.11 | galex-713 | missmbob, about the partition table? |
| 17:05.19 | missmbob | galex-713: yes. and fs |
| 17:05.23 | galex-713 | ok |
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| 17:05.53 | galex-713 | so itâs like so that at once you dump the first partition and the stuff that replace MBR on both USBs and DVDs and CDs (is it MBR?)? |
| 17:05.57 | Sark | So, I spent most of yesterday trying to get multiple monitors working on my computer. And I finally did succeed. Got both monitors going, X on both, perfect, just the way I want it. But then X crashes horribly after a couple of minutes. Nothing in the Xorg log, but this in dmesg after a bit - http://paste.debian.net/922917/ |
| 17:06.26 | Sark | Any ideas? I'm kidn of stumped at this point. I even swapped out the second video card with another one, got THAT one working, and had the same problem. |
| 17:06.36 | Sark | Either video card works fine on it's own. |
| 17:06.45 | n4dir | konqueor might be an option when it comes to web-browsing. been quite a bit that i used it though |
| 17:06.48 | missmbob | galex-713: yes. thus the hybrid name |
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| 17:07.00 | galex-713 | missmbob, so is it MBR? |
| 17:07.20 | missmbob | galex-713: yes |
| 17:07.43 | galex-713 | so when you boot CD/DVDs itâs just MBR+Squashfs? |
| 17:08.45 | galex-713 | n4dir, is KHTML still exchanging code with webkit or is it dying? |
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| 17:09.28 | galex-713 | missmbob, wait no is squashfs only for live systems? |
| 17:09.38 | galex-713 | otherwise what is used for normal installers? |
| 17:11.00 | n4dir | galex-713: i got no idea. |
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| 17:11.20 | n4dir | i gave up on searching for an alternative and stick to firefox |
| 17:11.28 | galex-713 | ah, you too |
| 17:11.41 | n4dir | yeah, you waste so much time, but in the end ... |
| 17:11.41 | galex-713 | one day the reign of gecko and webkit will end⦠|
| 17:11.44 | galex-713 | maybe servo? |
| 17:11.50 | galex-713 | seems cool, except I donât like rust |
| 17:12.01 | galex-713 | seems an hipster thing |
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| 17:12.32 | n4dir | well: the only thing that bugs me is that the web-browser uses 3 times as much RAM as all the rest, including OS and all |
| 17:13.21 | galex-713 | the web is horrible anyway |
| 17:13.41 | n4dir | ha, just wanted to say it. |
| 17:13.51 | galex-713 | Iâm wondering one day someone takes the good ideas of TeX to make something more semantic and dynamic that could efficiently replace the web |
| 17:14.09 | galex-713 | also not client-server |
| 17:14.56 | galex-713 | using a lot of ram is not a problem per se, but using a lot of ram for no reasonable reason *plus* nearly all CPU is not acceptable |
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| 17:15.22 | n4dir | it slows down my PC, so for me it is a problem. |
| 17:15.44 | galex-713 | because it makes your stuff swap? |
| 17:16.19 | n4dir | dunno. suddenly the webbrowser or the whole desktop freezes, or slows down. I pkill firefox and start it again |
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| 17:17.07 | n4dir | don't think i have ever seen swap being used, besides on some stoneage "laptops" with less than 512 of RAM |
| 17:17.21 | galex-713 | I mean, if it was widely accepted that âwebâ is at the same time a heavy substitute for GUI libs like GTK or Qt (while these are already heavy) and a substitute for using, sharing and displaying any type of document⦠thatâs nearly an OS |
| 17:17.22 | n4dir | not that i would check all the time ... |
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| 17:17.38 | galex-713 | swap is useful to hibernate at least :) |
| 17:17.55 | n4dir | oh, i heard so. but i don't do it |
| 17:18.08 | galex-713 | (if in an LUKS encrypted LVM volume, otherwise leaks your stuff) |
| 17:18.21 | jastrahm | Does any know why upgrading from jessie to stretch would cause me to only be able to startx with sudo |
| 17:18.23 | n4dir | i think i would like a web which only includes html and css .... |
| 17:19.05 | galex-713 | jastrahm, no sorry, keep asking |
| 17:19.21 | galex-713 | n4dir, js would be cool if only client-side and not only js |
| 17:19.35 | galex-713 | (like if we could have free-software stable extensions made in C, python, lisp, etc.) |
| 17:19.39 | n4dir | jastrahm: what happens if you run startx as a user? What are the error messages? |
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| 17:20.35 | galex-713 | but âsystematically and everywhere automatically downloading on-demand software from anyway without checking anything and letting it taking all input and controlling all UIâ is the worst idea ever |
| 17:20.40 | n4dir | there was a problem when using startx if you don't use systemd, iirc. So if you don't use it, tell that too |
| 17:20.49 | jastrahm | something about 86 opl drivers i think? something like that, I would need to reboot into the other hardrive and email the log to myself, then boot back into this |
| 17:20.52 | galex-713 | especially when it can use network |
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| 17:21.14 | jastrahm | is systemd installed by default? |
| 17:21.22 | galex-713 | no |
| 17:21.24 | galex-713 | *now yes |
| 17:21.26 | n4dir | no need to email, use pastebinit or such |
| 17:21.29 | galex-713 | except you ask otherwise |
| 17:21.34 | n4dir | jastrahm ^^ |
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| 17:22.05 | jastrahm | "except you ask otherwise" ? |
| 17:22.13 | n4dir | jastrahm: yeah, if you didn't do anything, you use systemd (my info is old anyway, only trying to get the head into it) |
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| 17:22.38 | galex-713 | jastrahm, you can uninstall systemd and replace it with initd in debian iirc |
| 17:22.55 | jastrahm | i definitley did not do that on purpose |
| 17:22.57 | FinalX | apt-get install sysvinit-core; reboot; apt-get remove systemd |
| 17:23.05 | n4dir | okay, so that sure isn't part of the problem |
| 17:23.06 | FinalX | but not all init scripts are working properly imo |
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| 17:23.18 | jastrahm | so i would assume I'm using systemd |
| 17:23.27 | galex-713 | because many people disliked this /forced/ init changing stuff so probably âyou can still have initd as a config optionâ were used as an argument to support systemd as default |
| 17:23.43 | jastrahm | someone on #rice said it could have to do with drivers? |
| 17:24.02 | galex-713 | since anyway linux pushes systemd very hard and if you donât make something default it ends with bugs that only experimented users know how to deal with |
| 17:24.10 | n4dir | wouldn't explain why you can startx as root/sudo, but what do i know? |
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| 17:24.33 | galex-713 | thatâs quite strange :/ |
| 17:24.57 | jastrahm | I have no idea mate, I think im just gonna upgrade this distribution and hope on weechat in the login screen |
| 17:25.19 | galex-713 | upgrade is always the good options, except when beyond stable |
| 17:25.32 | galex-713 | s/upgrade is always/stable is always/ |
| 17:25.36 | galex-713 | *option |
| 17:25.56 | `Kevin | without an actual error entry I dont think any assumptions can be made as to what is going to work |
| 17:26.06 | n4dir | ^^ that |
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| 17:26.46 | jastrahm | well ill upgrade this, get the error report startx with sudo pastebin it, limk in weechat. |
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| 17:27.03 | galex-713 | jastrahm, whatâs your version? |
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| 17:27.17 | jastrahm | of debian? jessie |
| 17:27.33 | jastrahm | I want to get to stretch so I can install i3-gaps |
| 17:27.42 | jastrahm | i keep running into problems |
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| 17:27.53 | galex-713 | whatâs i3-gaps? :o |
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| 17:28.12 | galex-713 | all these software constantly missing in stable :/ |
| 17:28.19 | galex-713 | if only there were more DD to add stuff to backports |
| 17:28.40 | jastrahm | i3 gaps is fork of i3 with gap support and apparently more features |
| 17:28.49 | galex-713 | what is gap support? |
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| 17:28.59 | galex-713 | Iâm using testing and canât find this package |
| 17:29.14 | jastrahm | gaps between tiled windows |
| 17:29.22 | jastrahm | and windows and desktop borders |
| 17:29.22 | galex-713 | default i3 already seems nice to me |
| 17:29.28 | galex-713 | whatâs the purpose of gaps? |
| 17:29.44 | jastrahm | no functional purpose. |
| 17:29.52 | jastrahm | just feels less claustrophobic |
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| 17:30.41 | galex-713 | waste space |
| 17:30.51 | galex-713 | what the point of a tiling wm the |
| 17:30.54 | galex-713 | *then |
| 17:31.09 | jastrahm | keyboard driven |
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| 17:31.18 | jastrahm | automatically arranging windows |
| 17:31.18 | dax | different people have different aesthetic tastes, and I'm unsure that discussing the differences between them is entirely on-topic for #debian :) |
| 17:31.25 | Sargun | How can I speed up apt update? |
| 17:31.50 | galex-713 | why not just adding better keybinding support to already existing wm then |
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| 17:32.22 | galex-713 | WMs that already can automatically arrange windows, like kwin or mutter, etc. |
| 17:32.32 | galex-713 | or marco |
| 17:32.36 | galex-713 | or dunno |
| 17:32.44 | jastrahm | should we keep talking about this? |
| 17:32.46 | galex-713 | dax, oh yeah youâr right |
| 17:32.52 | galex-713 | *youâre |
| 17:33.10 | n4dir | !best |
| 17:33.10 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 17:33.12 | n4dir | :-) |
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| 17:34.23 | jastrahm | if a upgrade goes wrong is there any recourse? |
| 17:35.03 | n4dir | no. |
| 17:35.09 | n4dir | well: a backup |
| 17:35.10 | missmbob | jastrahm: to stretch? |
| 17:35.20 | jastrahm | yes |
| 17:35.25 | missmbob | jastrahm: #debian-next on oftc is a good resource. they know better |
| 17:35.34 | jastrahm | and a backup? |
| 17:35.44 | missmbob | of course backup |
| 17:35.59 | jastrahm | like just dropbox some important config files? |
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| 17:36.34 | missmbob | depends on your need. personal use /home should be fine. server you have to worry about /etc, /var, etc, etc |
| 17:37.30 | n4dir | if you got a backup of the complete OS before the upgrade, you can go back to that stage. That is what i meant |
| 17:38.06 | n4dir | but you can't do it by the packagemanagement tools |
| 17:38.46 | jastrahm | how would i do that n4dir? |
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| 17:38.59 | jastrahm | you have a link explaing the process? |
| 17:39.13 | n4dir | let me look. |
| 17:39.39 | jastrahm | thanks mate. |
| 17:39.53 | n4dir | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Full_System_Backup_with_rsync |
| 17:40.25 | jastrahm | thank you, im checking it out now |
| 17:40.46 | galex-713 | I wonder back the times where people didnât used to use entire terabytes of data for common usage, when regular and multiple backups werenât a financial problem⦠|
| 17:40.57 | n4dir | when you rsync back, you probably have to reinstall grub and do a bit more, but in general it is straight forward with rsync |
| 17:41.27 | n4dir | galex-713: they also didn't have that much of data to be backed up back then ... |
| 17:41.40 | galex-713 | thatâs what I was meaning |
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| 17:42.15 | galex-713 | because of bond effect, when people get more space they get used to that kind of quantity of space |
| 17:42.34 | n4dir | ah, got you. sure |
| 17:42.39 | jastrahm | im gonna check in a bit, thanks again guys. |
| 17:43.14 | galex-713 | not a bad thing but⦠data management (including downloading, sharing and backup) is poorly automated nodaways I find⦠|
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| 17:44.59 | galex-713 | ahhhh if the internet only included p2p apps, cryptography and hashtables from the beginning⦠|
| 17:45.12 | galex-713 | world would be way simplier |
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| 18:12.57 | galex-713 | the problem with the netinst is Iâm staying a semi-dozen of additional hours at work until everybody leaves and then I have to abort the installation >< |
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| 18:17.06 | kion | When I 'sudo apt-get upgrade' I get a message 'The following packages have been kept back... XXX' Why is that? |
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| 18:18.18 | Brigo | kion, becuase the upgrade of those packages need another packages. |
| 18:19.09 | kion | Brigo, and why don't apt go upgrade those other packages? |
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| 18:20.27 | Brigo | kion, it plays it safe. You can upgrade those packages with apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:20.31 | meister_ | Wanna free spins on Starburst without depositing anything? Try your luck for free money 20 Free Spins on signing up http://bit.ly/2n6f4iA |
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| 18:21.25 | kion | Brigo, What does apt-get dist-upgrade do If you still have your sources.list pointing to jessie? |
| 18:22.15 | Brigo | dist-upgrade upgrades packages and their dependencies. |
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| 18:23.01 | TomTomTosch | dist-upgrade handles changing dependencies, upgrade does not. |
| 18:23.03 | Brigo | what did you mean with "still have your sources.list pointing to jessie?" are you upgrading to stretch? |
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| 18:27.58 | qwerty1234566789 | Is Xfce more stable than gnome? |
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| 18:28.20 | qwerty1234566789 | I need to run a server |
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| 18:29.13 | rudi_s | qwerty1234566789: Don't run a server with X. |
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| 18:31.09 | ompaul | at least one that is exposed to the internet |
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| 19:18.32 | ssarah | guys, youtube-dl on the repo is really old |
| 19:18.37 | ssarah | 3 years or so |
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| 19:18.45 | ssarah | this is normal? |
| 19:19.16 | missmbob | for stable, yes. there's a newer one in jessie-backports |
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| 19:19.38 | RoyK | hm - is there a way to check a typical debian installation (by script) if it's updated recently? I see there are software to be installed for this purpose, but I rather want something that can work on all sorts of things (like a small script)) |
| 19:21.54 | missmbob | !tell ssarah about jessie-backports |
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| 19:22.09 | TomTomTosch | i had to backport youtube-dl from sid because even in jessie-backports the version was too old. |
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| 19:22.31 | TomTomTosch | !tell ssarah about ssb |
| 19:22.57 | missmbob | i just use it from git. youtube-dl -U is too nice |
| 19:23.02 | ssarah | so i should enable the backports repository no matter what version im running? |
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| 19:26.06 | TomTomTosch | you need it enabled if you are doing a manula backport too, yes. but i guess getting it from upstream wouldn't be such a bad idea. |
| 19:26.22 | TomTomTosch | * manual |
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| 19:30.34 | ssarah | thanx guys |
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| 19:33.16 | jer0me | wow, youtube-dl has 14500+ commits, 500+ contributors and 900 releases. I would not have imagined that. |
| 19:33.41 | missmbob | the number of sites it supports? yeah, i can believe it |
| 19:34.01 | jer0me | (it also has ~1500 open issues) |
| 19:34.41 | M4GNV5 | hey, so i have a little problem with my wireless headset (asus HS-W1). it works fine listening to music and the mic too, however when not using it, it eventually times out. Turning it on again makes the headset search for a connection but it doesnt connect. I have to unplug the receiver and plug it in again so that it works |
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| 19:36.09 | dontknow | M4GNV5, matbe it is related with power saving |
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| 19:36.58 | jhutchins | M4GNV5: Use rfkill list to see what the system thinks is happening. Should also be logged in dmesg. |
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| 19:37.50 | M4GNV5 | yah sry was uploading dmesg, here it is: https://i.m4gnus.de/files/lcmfj3.txt |
| 19:38.03 | M4GNV5 | it is full of "usb 1-1: 2:1: usb_set_interface failed (-71)" |
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| 19:38.31 | M4GNV5 | hmm also it looks incomplete |
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| 19:38.38 | M4GNV5 | i uploaded /var/log/kern.log |
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| 19:38.57 | jhutchins | RoyK: What are you actually after? Wouldn't seeing what updates are available be more useful? |
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| 19:39.53 | M4GNV5 | jhutchins, also whats rfkill? it looks like its not installed on my system |
| 19:40.27 | jhutchins | M4GNV5: It's a wireless device manager, works on bluetooth. |
| 19:41.02 | jhutchins | M4GNV5: Also, "Bluetooth is unreliable" is a known feature of bluetooth. |
| 19:41.32 | M4GNV5 | uhm afaik its a 2.4ghz ad hoc connection |
| 19:41.36 | M4GNV5 | so no bluethooth i guess? |
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| 19:42.44 | jastrahm | Hey guys, im back, dumb question but can I only highlight text and post it on pastebin or can i upload the file? |
| 19:42.51 | missmbob | RoyK: this is real shity and i hacked it together real quick. edit to your needs https://paste.debian.net/923022/ |
| 19:42.54 | feri | pastebin, jastrahm |
| 19:42.55 | feri | please |
| 19:43.06 | feri | if you wouldn't mind taking the time |
| 19:44.00 | jastrahm | I'm confused, trying to post it to pastebin, is their an upload option where i can upload xorgs log or do i have to highlight the txt and vim and paste into the text field. |
| 19:44.23 | missmbob | !pastebinit |
| 19:44.23 | dpkg | A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 19:45.16 | RoyK | jhutchins: hm - perhaps - I just want to know updated status without requiring a truckload of stuff to be installed first (for monitoring purposes) |
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| 19:45.56 | M4GNV5 | ahh rfkill seems to be for everything, i installed it however rfkill list outputs nothing :( |
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| 19:46.54 | jastrahm | its just coming up with link to a blank debian pastezone? |
| 19:47.01 | jastrahm | also thanks for all the help so far. |
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| 19:47.42 | jastrahm | it let me choose a file so i just choose it and uploaded it |
| 19:47.51 | jastrahm | http://paste.debian.net/923023/ |
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| 19:47.59 | jastrahm | finally got it up. |
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| 19:49.22 | jastrahm | anybody have any ideas what I could do to fix it based on the logs I've provided? |
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| 19:58.12 | petn-randall | jastrahm: From the little details your provided I'm guessing that your xorg.conf is broken. |
| 19:58.40 | petn-randall | gah |
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| 20:40.33 | shirley1 | hello there. I'd like some advice on https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=783307 |
| 20:40.34 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/783307 in wnpp (open): «ITP: fzf -- General-purpose command-line fuzzy finder»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2015-04-25; last modified: 2017-03-21. |
| 20:41.31 | shirley1 | the tool requires to add something in user's ~/.bashrc, and I assume it isn't acceptable for a debian package to modify the user parameters |
| 20:41.41 | shirley1 | do you confirm it should be handled otherwise ? |
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| 20:43.52 | shirley1 | chen: maybe you can help? |
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| 21:04.32 | d3xter | hey guys, how can i change the theme of matchbox-window-manager |
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| 21:10.04 | zuiss1 | does anyone know why debian switched me to firefox-esr? i have mozilla.debian.net in my sources.list and was getting the latest release until a recent update |
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| 21:10.43 | missmbob | mozilla changed their mind about debian using their branding so iceweasel was replaced by firefox |
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| 21:13.03 | zuiss1 | firefox has been back in debian for many months though, but why was i switched from release to esr is my question |
| 21:14.16 | gnutemberg | #hexchat |
| 21:14.57 | missmbob | the freeeze wont allow stretch to update, so firefox is only in sid. it has firefox-esr in prep for release if that's what you're using |
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| 21:15.58 | TomTomTosch | firefox will need rust to build with ff54, which is not in jessie, so ff release for jessie is gone. |
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| 21:16.22 | zuiss1 | i have "deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports firefox-release" |
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| 21:16.53 | zuiss1 | ok, that explains it then |
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| 21:23.28 | qwerty1234566789 | Would xfce be a better option for a older computer than gnome? |
| 21:24.03 | mtn | qwerty1234566789: probably |
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| 21:26.14 | teraflops | qwerty1234566789: what are the specs of that computer? |
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| 21:28.02 | n4dir | pretty much anything would be a better option than gnome, for an old computer. |
| 21:28.51 | teraflops | hmm not sure |
| 21:29.28 | tdn | Does LUKS on Debian 8 utilize the aes-ni hw accelerated AES crypto if CPU supports it? Or do I have do something actively in order to use this module? |
| 21:29.32 | teraflops | only the gpu could be a problem. |
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| 21:32.11 | teraflops | tdn: you don't have to do anything AFAIK. why are you asking it? having issues? |
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| 21:35.24 | darkload | How do you upgrade to kernel version 4.10? |
| 21:35.26 | tdn | teraflops, I am replacing a server and considering if it is worth the extra cost of bying a server with a Xeon CPU in order to get aes-ni support instead of the one that is on the other system I am looking at G1610T |
| 21:37.21 | sypher | darkload: Why do you need to run that kernel version? |
| 21:37.59 | darkload | I am using a ryzen cpu and 4.10 is the only way to enable the use of multi core |
| 21:38.44 | TomTomTosch | darkload: you would need to build from source. https://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-kernel-org-package |
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| 21:40.23 | teraflops | tdn: xeons are fine but you don't need one to have aesni |
| 21:42.15 | epsilon | xeon e3 isn't more expensive than i7 |
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| 21:43.30 | John[Lisbeth] | does debian contain non gpl or only gpl code? |
| 21:43.30 | tdn | teraflops, yeah, I am considering Pention G4400 as well |
| 21:43.47 | tdn | John[Lisbeth], it is free software. Some of it is GPL some is not |
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| 21:43.50 | tdn | John[Lisbeth], but still free |
| 21:43.58 | John[Lisbeth] | alright just checking |
| 21:44.00 | tdn | John[Lisbeth], some might be BSD license, etc. |
| 21:44.07 | John[Lisbeth] | works for me in this instance |
| 21:44.15 | epsilon | tdn: you don't want celeron or pentium, unless it's a low performance server |
| 21:45.00 | tdn | epsilon, this is for this use case: http://paste.yt/p5464.html |
| 21:45.29 | tdn | epsilon, beware that this does not hold if you add non-free sources or third party sources. |
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| 21:48.02 | darkload | you can add non free sources you still have to give out the soruce |
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| 21:50.42 | epsilon | tdn: don't know how much you want to spend, but i'd buy supermicro X11 gen in this case, especially the models supporting celeron/i3/xeon-E3. they usualy have 2 Ethernet and IPMI (that iLO thingy) |
| 21:51.58 | tdn | epsilon, this is something that must run in my home. Not a datacenter. The supermicro servers that I have seen are datacenter models that are noisy as hell |
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| 21:52.31 | epsilon | and 3TB RAID1 with LUKS: don't worry any current CPU will handle it without heavy CPU load |
| 21:52.44 | darkload | an i5 with a water cooler |
| 21:53.02 | epsilon | tdn: no you only buy mainboard, build the rest self, incl CPU cooling |
| 21:53.03 | darkload | and a thick case |
| 21:53.08 | vvor | Any wizard have a clue if in a small scale, monitoring one web server, collectd will work over WAN to InfluxDB or a LAN |
| 21:53.13 | vvor | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.36 | epsilon | na, 120mm fan is enough. the 4 3TB disks will make way more noise than cpu fan |
| 21:53.51 | darkload | water cool hard drive |
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| 21:53.54 | darkload | it exists |
| 21:54.03 | pgrunwald | tdn: reddit.com/r/homelab - I'm very happy with myt Dell R710. Lots of eBay steals! |
| 21:54.05 | epsilon | doesn't suppless the noise |
| 21:54.11 | tdn | epsilon, ok |
| 21:54.23 | tdn | epsilon, I think that will be hard to do for ~300 EUR |
| 21:54.36 | teraflops | tdn: it depends on the level of performance/power consumption you want as epsilon pointed |
| 21:54.41 | tdn | epsilon, including mobo, chassis, NICs, RAM, no disks |
| 21:54.46 | epsilon | yeah, supermicro costs usualy 200 euro, then cpu+ram |
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| 21:54.55 | Diggity | Hello, I have a debian 8 machine that is having issues booting in graphical mode.. i tried adding 'single' to the grub boot config, but that gave me 'recovery' mode... is there a way i can get debian to boot into text/non-graphical mode, but still perform a 'normal' boot? |
| 21:55.13 | tdn | epsilon, yeah, so budget is already blown, I guess |
| 21:55.29 | darkload | you could try getting something like a 8320e |
| 21:56.02 | epsilon | tdn: then you don't have much choice... go gigabyte/asrock and i5 |
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| 21:56.49 | darkload | ryzen is coming out a April |
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| 21:57.19 | pgrunwald | http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&Memory%2520%2528RAM%2529%2520Capacity=16GB&Processor%2520Type=Xeon%2520Quad%2520Core&Processor%2520Speed=2GHz%2520%252D%25202%252E49GHz&_dcat=11211&Number%2520of%2520Processors=2&_nkw=dell+r710&_sop=15 |
| 21:57.32 | darkload | should drive the price of i5 down |
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| 21:57.44 | tdn | epsilon, chassis is not included frmo supermicro? |
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| 21:58.43 | tdn | epsilon, HP ML10 is 300 EUR with G4400 CPU or 400 EUR with a Xeon E3 |
| 21:59.05 | epsilon | Microserver? |
| 21:59.06 | tdn | epsilon, but HP MicroSErver gen8 is 250 EUR with Celeron |
| 21:59.22 | tdn | epsilon, https://www.hpe.com/dk/en/product-catalog/servers/proliant-servers/pip.hpe-proliant-microserver-gen8.5379860.html |
| 21:59.24 | darkload | you can get used xeons off ebay |
| 21:59.32 | epsilon | sounds good too, these are unpack&go thingy |
| 21:59.47 | teraflops | tdn: there are nice deals on ebay on second hand machines |
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| 22:00.13 | teraflops | darkload: heh |
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| 22:00.49 | epsilon | I stopped buying 2nd hand PC (components) on ebay years ago, not worth it -_- too many junk and half broken stuff |
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| 22:01.02 | darkload | i got a 6 core xeon and 24gb ram for only $320 |
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| 22:01.58 | tdn | epsilon, I agree wrt second hand stuff |
| 22:02.13 | magyar | hi, is there something wrong with vim in stretch? I'm unable to copy/paste to system clipboard when I remote to a stretch system and use vim |
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| 22:02.57 | petn-randall | magyar: Try shift + middle click. |
| 22:03.19 | petn-randall | magyar: AFAIK that's not new to stretch though. |
| 22:04.00 | magyar | petn-randall: wow, that worked. I never had this before in the past. Why would this happen? |
| 22:05.01 | magyar | petn-randall: it seems only when I open vim this happens. if I less or highlight any text, it will populate in my system clipboard |
| 22:05.02 | petn-randall | magyar: This is if you install vim which has X support. |
| 22:05.17 | magyar | petn-randall: on the remote system? |
| 22:05.20 | petn-randall | (that's already in jessie, though) |
| 22:05.31 | petn-randall | magyar: You have X11 forwarding enabled? |
| 22:06.07 | magyar | nope, I just ssh user@host from my kde "konsole" program on jessie |
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| 22:07.53 | n4dir | magyar: if you right click, does it enable visual mode? |
| 22:08.25 | magyar | n4dir: nope |
| 22:08.37 | n4dir | that's what i had, but i sure forgot how i changed it. ... ah, ain't the case anyway, good then |
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| 22:09.07 | magyar | n4dir: sorry, yes it does |
| 22:09.31 | n4dir | aha. yeah, i had the same after an upgrade of vim, though in slackware. Like said: i forgot how i changed it |
| 22:09.59 | n4dir | it was a big pain |
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| 22:11.57 | n4dir | try #vim , perhaps |
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| 22:14.35 | magyar | n4dir: thank you |
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| 22:17.56 | n4dir | i really wish i would find the change in my configs ... |
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| 22:22.02 | teraflops | I can paste via ssh under xorg (no X forwarding) from system clipboard to vim (jessie) with stock configuration. |
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| 22:24.39 | bin_bash | magyar: are you using a clipboard manager on the host OS |
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| 22:26.54 | magyar | bin_bash: not sure, I just use kde konsole to remote ssh to the stretch host |
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| 22:28.10 | bin_bash | install parcellite, which is a clipboard mananager |
| 22:28.19 | bin_bash | then when you copy from vim, see if it's actually stored in the clipboard |
| 22:28.24 | bin_bash | ive had a similar problem within screen |
| 22:28.30 | magyar | even if I ssh with -X the right click triggers "Visual" mode instead of kde menu for right click |
| 22:28.38 | bin_bash | the text does go to the clipboard, but doesnt paste initially, i have to select it in parcellite. |
| 22:28.44 | bin_bash | oh hm |
| 22:29.58 | bin_bash | magyar: https://github.com/vim/vim/issues/1326 :P |
| 22:30.07 | magyar | so any other system i ssh into if I use vim and I right click I get the standard KDE right click menu for copy, paste and a who bunch of other konsole options, but to this new stretch box I will not get that |
| 22:31.03 | bin_bash | it's a vim thing |
| 22:31.28 | magyar | so i guess stretch is not using /etc/vim/vimrc file any longer |
| 22:31.41 | magyar | i set the mouse= in that file and nothing happens |
| 22:32.05 | magyar | which file is the global config for vim now? |
| 22:32.30 | teraflops | uses neovim for ~1 year, never looked back |
| 22:32.33 | bin_bash | magyar: mouse=a not mouse= |
| 22:32.51 | bin_bash | and you will need to restart vim or reload the vimrc |
| 22:33.52 | magyar | bin_bash: it doesn't matter what I place in that file |
| 22:34.10 | magyar | vim just ignores it. I also don't have a ~/.vimrc |
| 22:34.17 | bin_bash | are you sure vim is ignoring it? |
| 22:34.27 | magyar | so the question is, where is wim getting the global settings in stretch |
| 22:34.34 | magyar | bin_bash: sure |
| 22:34.38 | bin_bash | open vim and do :version |
| 22:34.41 | bin_bash | and it'll tell you |
| 22:34.44 | n4dir | - /usr/share/vim/vimrc is only a template? or is it being used? |
| 22:35.19 | bin_bash | or :echo $MYVIMRC |
| 22:35.25 | bin_bash | that should give you the full path of the vimrc in use |
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| 22:38.28 | magyar | bin_bash: nothing happens on :echo $MYVIMRC |
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| 22:38.39 | bin_bash | what does :version say |
| 22:38.44 | magyar | the version is 8.0.378 |
| 22:38.57 | bin_bash | hm |
| 22:38.59 | bin_bash | that's weird |
| 22:39.39 | magyar | i wish I could copy it :) |
| 22:39.52 | bin_bash | on mine it says where my vimrc is when i do :echo $MYVIMRC |
| 22:39.55 | n4dir | aha. i changed mouse=v to mouse=a, and am back t visual mode when using the right mouse |
| 22:40.00 | magyar | but $VIM is in /usr/share/vim |
| 22:40.13 | bin_bash | share?? that's weird |
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| 22:40.35 | bin_bash | so then the vimrc would be /usr/share/vim/vimrc |
| 22:40.56 | teraflops | magyar: try :scriptnames |
| 22:41.12 | n4dir | if it was me i would try: set mouse=v ; magyar |
| 22:41.28 | bin_bash | n4dir: i think he's right, he's in the wrong vimrc file |
| 22:41.32 | teraflops | by default it uses /usr/share/vim/vimrc unless you have one in ~/ |
| 22:41.37 | magyar | bin_bash: nope, the difference between jessie and stretch is the "defaults" setting |
| 22:41.44 | magyar | jessie vim doesn't have it |
| 22:42.09 | n4dir | you could always test it from the command prompt inside vim |
| 22:42.14 | magyar | "$VIMRUNTIME/defaults.vim |
| 22:42.17 | bin_bash | magyar: did you see the bug report i posted? |
| 22:43.07 | bin_bash | they specifically address it |
| 22:43.21 | magyar | bin_bash: how do I stop sourcing $VIMRUNTIME ? |
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| 22:43.37 | magyar | in bash login? |
| 22:43.53 | bin_bash | do :source path/to/myvimrc i believe. |
| 22:45.22 | bin_bash | also make sure none of the vimrc files have a source pointiung to the example |
| 22:46.04 | bin_bash | anyway i gtg but gl |
| 22:46.35 | magyar | bin_bash: thanks |
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| 22:47.24 | n4dir | magyar: you would do me quite a favor if you would test "set mouse=v". |
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| 22:47.36 | n4dir | i am not keen to run into the problem again. |
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| 22:51.24 | n4dir | uhum: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/139578/copy-paste-for-vim-is-not-working-when-mouse-set-mouse-a-is-on#140584 |
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| 22:55.07 | magyar | n4dir: I'm not sure if that will halp. In stretch it seems to override my settings of vimrc with the file /usr/share/vim/vim80/defaults.vim |
| 22:55.17 | magyar | that file is not getting loaded in jessie |
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| 22:56.05 | magyar | the trick is to prevent that file from loading |
| 22:56.14 | n4dir | copy the file to ~/.vimrc and make the changes there |
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| 22:57.13 | magyar | n4dir: bin_bash pointed out the bug https://github.com/vim/vim/issues/1326 |
| 22:57.22 | magyar | which doesn't make much sense to me |
| 22:57.40 | magyar | :scriptnames is loading /usr/share/vim/vimrc |
| 22:57.55 | magyar | and /usr/share/vim/vimrc is just a link to /etc/vim/vimrc |
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| 22:57.59 | Diggity | hi i was afk, but had a question about how to boot debian into non-graphical mode... |
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| 22:58.10 | Diggity | anyone around to help me with that? |
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| 22:59.34 | n4dir | if i am not wrong ~/.vimrc should be used if it exists, the defaults are used if config files don't exist in the users home. It is a bit different, but i am too tired |
| 22:59.47 | afidegnum | hello, i installed debian as secondary os to my windows which deleted the mbr using boot-repair-disk to fix the MRB, i brought windows back but can't have debian displayed as list of boot options how do i fix this please? |
| 23:00.31 | n4dir | first of all i would test it from command mode anyway |
| 23:00.58 | teraflops | afidegnum: of course you won't see debian from windows boot manager (at least by default) |
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| 23:01.22 | afidegnum | how do i bring them together? |
| 23:02.31 | teraflops | epsilon: use grub, it should detect if you have another OS and will eventually add a entry to the bootloader, you need osprober installed |
| 23:02.42 | teraflops | no idea if it gets installed y default |
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| 23:04.36 | teraflops | I do not use the debian installer frequently but iirc if it detects you have a windows installation it adds an entry for you |
| 23:04.41 | afidegnum | teraflops: waht do you suggst? |
| 23:05.11 | afidegnum | ah you mean me ? |
| 23:05.25 | teraflops | afidegnum: I'd use a debian installer iso, rescue mode, get inside debian and reinstall grub |
| 23:05.31 | n4dir | !fixmbr |
| 23:05.31 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 23:05.38 | afidegnum | ok, let me try that |
| 23:05.44 | teraflops | while there check os prober is installed |
| 23:05.55 | Sark | So, I'm still having X problems. I have now tried all possible combinations of three different video cards, all of which can work independently, to use them in dual monitor setup. |
| 23:06.14 | Sark | I have gotten all configurations to WORK and produce the perfect result. Problem is - X crashes HARD after a minute or so. |
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| 23:06.42 | Sark | All the hardware is good. It all works independently. |
| 23:07.12 | teraflops | afidegnum: check grub's outuput while reinstalling. it should say there's a windows installation |
| 23:07.26 | afidegnum | ok, sure |
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| 23:08.39 | rgr | which is the correct irc channel for the apache2 that comes with debian. I recall something funny from a few years back. had to use #httpd or something. |
| 23:10.02 | deepy | aye, it's #httpd |
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| 23:11.01 | teraflops | rgr: some guys there dislike the way debian manages vhosts and such? |
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| 23:14.43 | magyar | n4dir: just uncomment this line in /etc/vim/vimrc >> let g:skip_defaults_vim = 1 |
| 23:14.47 | magyar | problem fixed |
| 23:16.50 | n4dir | okay. thanks for the feedback |
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| 23:18.54 | lep | so if you are writing a bash script and you want to use a diff as a condition |
| 23:18.57 | n4dir | the bad news is that next time i will need it i won't remember ... :-) |
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| 23:19.09 | lep | what output of diff is considered true |
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| 23:22.15 | lep | when you use test does it look at standard error output? |
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| 23:23.00 | n4dir | if you use a command you usually don't use "test" or [ or [[; you just do "if grep foobar filename; then ... " |
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| 23:24.41 | lep | n4dir: so what determined the logical value of grep |
| 23:24.44 | n4dir | lep: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls#if_.5Bgrep_foo_myfile.5D |
| 23:26.06 | n4dir | you got me there. I think 0 means true as far bash is concerned. You can check with "echo $?" ($? expanding to the exit status of the last command) |
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| 23:27.26 | n4dir | diff seems to return 0 if there is no difference between the two files concerned, but i am over my head here |
| 23:27.49 | n4dir | if in doubt ask in #bash |
| 23:27.51 | redshadowhero | 0 is somewhat truthy in bash, yeah. Use ! to negate, as in C. |
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| 23:28.33 | lep | there you go, the exit status |
| 23:28.41 | lep | thats what i need to know more about |
| 23:28.45 | lep | thanks |
| 23:29.01 | lep | wow i didnt know there was a bash chan. awesome |
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| 23:29.39 | n4dir | lep: they are often very detailed, but the answers will be really correct (not me saying something half right, half guessed, and half wrong ... ) |
| 23:30.11 | n4dir | also try shellcheck.net , it will spot the most common errors |
| 23:31.23 | lep | thats so useful thank you. this script has be perfect so this looks very handy |
| 23:32.00 | n4dir | :-) |
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| 23:35.31 | n4dir | i see: you already get the loving they often have to offer ... :-) |
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| 23:35.53 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:37.05 | lep | hah yeah me too. i looked at the man but didnt see it |
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| 23:38.06 | n4dir | they can be tough over there. but in most of the cases the answers are spot on |
| 23:38.27 | n4dir | should have said it before ... :-) |
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| 23:43.45 | lep | im very used to being told rtfm |
| 23:44.27 | n4dir | cool then. and glad you are in good hands regarding that question. good luck. |
| 23:44.43 | Papillon | manpages can be a little hit or miss |
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