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| 00:01.22 | disi | is this considered a valid entry in /etc/group? hadoop:x:1035:,hdfs,mapred |
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| 00:37.18 | miomio9090 | sera chi parla italiano |
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| 00:47.30 | tharkun | Aloha, I am having this isue. I can't make a printer work it is an HP-LaserJet-P1006 regardless of what I do. cupsenable is of no use and the 631 site is not working either. Any extra suggestions |
| 00:47.41 | tharkun | Yes, I believe printers smell fear. |
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| 00:54.18 | tharkun | Is there a way to get any extra information out of the printer? |
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| 00:58.05 | fishsticks | torture might work |
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| 00:59.55 | tharkun | fishsticks: Believe me I've tried. |
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| 01:00.41 | psychoticwarrior | nice name fishsticks |
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| 01:00.50 | fishsticks | how are you connecting to it usb or lpt? |
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| 01:01.09 | fishsticks | cheers psychoticwarrior |
| 01:01.29 | OerHeks | tharkun, is your user member of the lp group? |
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| 01:02.48 | fishsticks | Have you installed the printer driver tharkun? http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/laserjet/hp_laserjet_p1006.html |
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| 01:04.15 | tharkun | OerHeks: The printer used to print fine. It doesn't work now. And I haven't got a clue on wtf is wrong |
| 01:04.45 | tharkun | fishsticks: ^^ |
| 01:05.08 | psychoticwarrior | try going to settings then find printer |
| 01:05.19 | psychoticwarrior | maybe that will work |
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| 01:05.41 | tharkun | psychoticwarrior: How do I invoke settings? |
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| 01:06.02 | psychoticwarrior | well im currently using kali linuyx |
| 01:06.10 | psychoticwarrior | linux |
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| 01:07.19 | tharkun | psychoticwarrior: I am using notion as a wm so there is really no way I can figure how to invoke printer settings from the cli |
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| 01:08.14 | fishsticks | system-config-printer |
| 01:08.22 | somiaj | tharkun: I just use a webbrowser with cups |
| 01:08.29 | somiaj | localhost:631 or something like that |
| 01:08.51 | OerHeks | tharkun, oke, what is the output of: service cups status |
| 01:09.03 | OerHeks | as :631 did not work for you |
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| 01:10.28 | TechSmurf | Not debian-specific, but #linux is mum on the issue: Having fun trying to reassemble a raid. For some reason all the drives are being marked spare: mdadm -A /dev/md0 /dev/sdo3 /dev/sdn3 /dev/sdl3 /dev/sdm3 -> mdadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 1 drive (out of 4), but not started. -> /proc/mdstat: md0 : inactive sdo3[0](S) sdm3[3](S) sdl3[2](S) sdn3[1](S) |
| 01:11.34 | TechSmurf | oooooohhhh nvm, I know why it's borked |
| 01:11.49 | TechSmurf | all the drives were failed out once at a time to grow the array with new bigger drives |
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| 01:13.00 | fishsticks | Problems fixed that quickly are the best TechSmurf |
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| 01:15.54 | pos | I'm getting a bad sector on an md array. can I easily find out which member disk houses the specific bad block? |
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| 01:19.48 | bobolo | hi, i got a problem to set my iptables cloudinternet <--> router (192.168.1.1)<--->eth0 (server 192.168.1.2)<--proxy--wlan0(10.42.0.1set as HotSpot )-> n. clients. Asking how to squid proxy port 3128 to redirect net traffic to wlan . tnx |
| 01:20.28 | tharkun | bobolo: iptables-save so you can see what you are doing and paste it somewhere |
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| 01:20.47 | bobolo | i m gonna dobrb |
| 01:21.55 | tharkun | OerHeks: It sensed your deep black-magick knowledge. It is working now like a charm. Thanks for the Universal Chakra Alignment. rotfl |
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| 01:22.51 | OerHeks | tharkun, grinn, still have no clue what was holding back |
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| 01:23.57 | tharkun | I haven't got the slightest idea. It is working now so everything is fine with me. I believe pinters smell the urgency and fear then they simply will stop working out of the blue. |
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| 01:29.10 | psychoticwarrior | printers blow |
| 01:29.16 | psychoticwarrior | i hate working with them |
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| 01:35.33 | psychoticwarrior | crack baby cocks lob |
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| 01:38.07 | bobolo | to tharkun: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24134332/ |
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| 01:45.10 | somiaj | psychoticwarrior: do you have an actual debian specific question? Also in general keep comments like your last ones to yourself |
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| 02:08.10 | AciD` | anybody here managed to change the default color of the numix folders (provided by the numix-icon-theme package)? |
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| 02:16.06 | tharkun | bobolo: I'm kind of in a hurry today. There is this #netfilter lots of people there that can lend you a hand. |
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| 02:16.36 | bobolo | tnx |
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| 02:20.26 | awal1 | AciD`. numix icons are nice but that orange default color I don't like it :P |
| 02:20.40 | AciD` | awal1 -> I know right |
| 02:20.54 | AciD` | but apparently there are plenty of other colors provided b |
| 02:20.57 | AciD` | by the package |
| 02:21.12 | AciD` | and you should even be able to change it with that : https://github.com/numixproject/numix-folders/issues/102 |
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| 02:24.06 | awal1 | good if upstream is working on a gui for change colors |
| 02:24.49 | awal1 | but I personally use/prefer tango icons |
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| 03:11.03 | Verity | cant there just be some way, plz? |
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| 03:26.17 | Verity | to compile with only 128mb ram |
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| 03:34.11 | st3fann | Hi there, I am making an OpenVZ template from a debian minimal install, and I noticed that all of the packages I installed are stored in .deb files at /var/cache/apt, and I wanted to know if these are safe to delete |
| 03:34.27 | st3fann | I did run apt-get clean and apt-get autoclean, but this did not seem to remove the files. |
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| 03:37.03 | st3fann | anyone? |
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| 03:49.55 | DHowett | "A new version (/run/samba/upgrades/smb.conf) of configuration file /etc/samba/smb.conf is available". It seems like a poor design that a very, very site-specific config file can be wiped out by a misplaced config update ;P |
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| 04:13.29 | Delf | st3fann: aptitude clean |
| 04:14.07 | st3fann | Delf: thanks, I ended up getting a reply in #ubuntu-server and just ended up deleting the .deb files individually, and apt-get seems to be working fine :) |
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| 04:25.45 | jnoah | for stretch, will debian stable have firfox 52? |
| 04:26.59 | jnoah | (fx 52 is the latest stable esr as of today) |
| 04:27.15 | jnoah | (er, today in the US, that is) |
| 04:27.23 | hosayn_ | boot dabian iso by grub2 menuentry from ntfs partition.is it possible? |
| 04:27.42 | jnoah | yes |
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| 06:19.36 | Digz | I'm looking to install a web based file server with username/password security that can be accessed from the web.... i've been looking at freenas (which obviously isn't debian), openmediavault, owncloud, all offering their own powers....but what else is out there? |
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| 06:29.09 | ambient | Who here is a Debian badass? |
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| 06:31.28 | ambient | I am trying to move from Stable to Sid in Debian and ran out of space on my device and am trying to remove some of the older programs to make space. Here is the issue I have: http://pastebin.com/DxDjjHUb |
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| 06:32.00 | ambient | I want to know if this can be fixed without having to reinstall, hence my request for Debian BAdass who knows her/his way around a reinstall |
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| 06:36.20 | ambient | Or d'you suppose it is a lost cause? |
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| 07:05.13 | ambient | real lively here. |
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| 07:05.59 | gs6 | Hey |
| 07:06.05 | gs6 | I booted a livecd with gnome |
| 07:06.16 | gs6 | It doesn't let me set the resolution higher than 1024x768 |
| 07:06.25 | gs6 | My monitor is 1080p |
| 07:06.48 | gs6 | I guess graphics card drivers aren't installed, but I should still be able to use integrated graphics, right? |
| 07:06.55 | password4 | gs6: with what type of cable are you conencting to your monitor? |
| 07:07.00 | gs6 | uh |
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| 07:07.28 | gs6 | password4: DVI |
| 07:07.31 | AciD` | ambient -> always |
| 07:08.16 | gs6 | I wonder if I have to switch to integrated graphics in my BIOS |
| 07:08.31 | AciD` | this must be the channel where the ratio lines written by hour/# user connected should be the lowest on Freenode :> |
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| 07:08.42 | gs6 | Nah, that can't be right |
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| 07:08.58 | gs6 | Because I wouldn't see anything at all if it wasn't able to use some kind of graphics |
| 07:09.03 | AciD` | (I the ratio question asked/answer given tens toward infinity ;P) |
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| 07:09.20 | AciD` | s/tens/goes/ |
| 07:09.41 | gs6 | Why didn't you s/tens/tends |
| 07:09.51 | gs6 | Clearly that's what you originally intended |
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| 07:11.19 | gs6 | Oh, btw |
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| 07:11.38 | gs6 | If I go to Settings -> Displays it says "Unknown Display" |
| 07:12.10 | gs6 | And it has a fixed 4:3 aspect ratio and 1024x760 or 800x600 as the only resolution choices |
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| 07:14.06 | password4 | So I've installed Awesome window manager to my debian virtual box , but how do i get the option to log in with awesome to be added at teh log in prompt? |
| 07:14.16 | password4 | currently only gnome and cinnamon is listed |
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| 07:17.06 | password4 | what file do i edit where? |
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| 07:20.02 | gs6 | ANYONE? |
| 07:20.18 | gs6 | This channel has over 1600 nicks |
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| 07:20.41 | gs6 | I guess this is just a popular place to idle |
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| 07:26.53 | password4 | gs6: if i was at home I would have been able to show you how to force it |
| 07:27.03 | gs6 | password4: With xrandr? |
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| 07:27.26 | User284 | hello guys, i am facing a problem with zfs-fuse similar to this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=775432 |
| 07:27.27 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/775432 in zfs-fuse (open): «zfs-fuse: crash on zpool creation on big SMP system»; severity: important; opened: 2015-01-15; last modified: 2015-01-15. |
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| 07:28.35 | password4 | yeah |
| 07:28.39 | password4 | amongst others |
| 07:28.42 | rgr | The wiki on Debian ipv6 method to turn off ipv6 isn't working. Debian Stretch (I know). Hints? |
| 07:28.44 | password4 | theres a gui too |
| 07:29.54 | password4 | oh ArandR |
| 07:30.22 | password4 | but your issue may be something else |
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| 07:35.46 | password4 | oh goody , i got awesome working |
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| 07:52.05 | password4 | meh |
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| 07:53.41 | mtcj | TWM master race |
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| 08:01.34 | rgr | The only way I could stop networkmanager rewriting resolv.conf and recreating a link to /var/run/NewtowkManager/resolv.con was to create my own resolv.conf (minus the router's DNS address) and then chmod it to 440. This is really ugly. There has to be a better way to tell network manager NOT to rewrite the resolv.conf and preceded my own DNS with that of the router? I remember this issue years ago and googling it seems its s |
| 08:01.34 | rgr | issue with different Linux implementatins dealing with it differently. How can I stop NM adding in the 192.168.1.1 DNS look up preceding my own required DNS nameservers? |
| 08:01.45 | rgr | and I dont have resolvconf installed either. |
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| 08:07.28 | rgr | aha. solved. gui issues with NM. found it. |
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| 08:14.55 | temuccio | Hello all |
| 08:14.59 | temuccio | I have one problem |
| 08:15.20 | temuccio | On one my installation of debian, I have a problem with root partition |
| 08:15.54 | temuccio | in fstab is errors=remount-ro |
| 08:16.23 | temuccio | I would like to fsck the disk ad I have try with netinstall iso |
| 08:16.32 | temuccio | but I receive command not found |
| 08:16.38 | temuccio | do you can help me |
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| 08:21.44 | mtcj | rgr: it shouldn't do that if you've selected address only in DHCP settings |
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| 08:27.50 | temuccio | any suggest? |
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| 09:04.09 | Psy-Q | i made a mistake, i installed some packages from unstable because i had unstable as a source for Firefox but forgot to set my apt preferences to prefer stretch |
| 09:04.36 | Psy-Q | now i can't install e.g. build-essential (on install of g++ it says "you have held broken packages") |
| 09:04.48 | Psy-Q | how can i figure out which packages came from unstable so i can downgrade them to stretch? |
| 09:04.48 | missmbob | !tell Psy-Q about dont break debian |
| 09:05.02 | missmbob | !tell Psy-Q about downgrade |
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| 09:05.31 | missmbob | Psy-Q: you can get newer firefox from mozilla.debian.net without mixing repos |
| 09:05.59 | TomTomTo1 | Psy-Q: aptitude search ~Aunstable |
| 09:06.13 | Psy-Q | missmbob: oh, but when i select "testing", "firefox" and "release" there it tells me to add unstable |
| 09:06.35 | Psy-Q | i previously solved it by having APT::Default-Release "stretch"; set |
| 09:06.54 | Psy-Q | TomTomTo1, missmbob: thanks |
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| 09:07.46 | TomTomTo1 | Psy-Q: eh, sorry, you obviously only want the ones that are installed. aptitude search "~S ~i ~Aunstable" |
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| 09:08.26 | TomTomTo1 | weirdly obfuscated search syntax ftw ^^ |
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| 09:08.40 | Psy-Q | yeah, i never understood aptitude search syntax, thanks for the hint :) |
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| 09:09.04 | Psy-Q | well, crap. i must've pulled a big metapackage from unstable, probably xfce. xfce and lots of dependencies all came from unstable |
| 09:09.09 | Psy-Q | gotta live with this now i guess :) |
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| 09:48.13 | no_gravity | Is there a way to make bash show nice tables? Something like "echo 'select ..' | mysql | shownicetable"? So it sets the tab width right automatically? |
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| 09:50.41 | no_gravity | column -t !!!! That's it! |
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| 10:09.25 | c-c | A reminder: remember to obsolete sha-1 https://shattered.io/ |
| 10:09.49 | djvdorp | Not sure who to inform, but I just wanted to mention that the TLS certificate for paste.debian.net has expired on Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 8:22:00 AM and is thus showing warnings now (expired 2 hours and 47 minutes ago) |
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| 10:12.02 | petn-randall | djvdorp: It's being worked on. |
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| 10:14.46 | djvdorp | petn-randall: Thank you :) Just wanted to give a heads up (not to put pressure on it) because I enjoy using the service a lot, haha. |
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| 10:18.07 | compass_ | hi debian |
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| 10:18.48 | compass_ | running 3.16.0-4-586 kernel. anybody know how i'd update to latest 686 kernel? |
| 10:19.05 | petn-randall | djvdorp: fixed |
| 10:19.06 | compass_ | 586 only sees one of two cpu cores |
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| 10:19.43 | petn-randall | compass_: What CPU do you have? |
| 10:20.04 | compass_ | core 2 duo t2050. state of the art ;] |
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| 10:22.26 | petn-randall | compass_: How are you checking the cores? I doubt a newer kernel will fix the issue. |
| 10:22.48 | compass_ | inxi -C |
| 10:23.30 | petn-randall | compass_: What does 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' show you? You can paste it to http://paste.debian.net. |
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| 10:23.49 | compass_ | cpuinfo only shows one core too but i'll paste |
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| 10:25.03 | petn-randall | compass_: Maybe the 2nd core is deactivated in the BIOS? The kernel wouldn't be the first place to look, since 3.16 has been released several years after the T2050. |
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| 10:26.18 | compass_ | paste.debian.net/918719 |
| 10:26.40 | compass_ | oh, ok petn-randall |
| 10:26.44 | compass_ | i'll check bios |
| 10:26.46 | compass_ | brb |
| 10:26.49 | compass_ | thanks |
| 10:26.54 | petn-randall | compass_: See ya in a bit |
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| 10:34.50 | compass_ | hi petn-randall, no bios setting but start up did list 2 cores |
| 10:34.57 | compass_ | 1 proc, 2 cores :x |
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| 10:36.19 | petn-randall | compass_: So /proc/cpuinfo now shows something else? |
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| 10:48.01 | compass_ | petn-randall, still showing 1 core but some threads online see some results with adding certain grub parameters |
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| 11:28.02 | darkezmo | anybody know how to upgrade from kernel 3.16 for 586 processors to kernel 3.16 for 686 processors |
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| 11:29.01 | ShalokShalom | hi there |
| 11:29.08 | ShalokShalom | https://manpages.debian.org/ |
| 11:29.16 | ShalokShalom | konsole is not here, while its available via info konsole |
| 11:29.30 | darkezmo | thanks man |
| 11:30.09 | ShalokShalom | ? |
| 11:30.11 | ShalokShalom | its not about you |
| 11:30.41 | darkezmo | whoops, thought you were pointing me in direction of info! |
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| 11:30.45 | hellyeah | hey |
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| 11:31.50 | hellyeah | i have wireless problem. My wireless card is Broadcom Corporation BCM43142 . I got the model name when i do lspci but i cannot see my wireless connection in network-manager. What can be the problem is. Pls help me thanks. |
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| 11:34.25 | hellyeah | anyone? |
| 11:34.44 | darkezmo | hellyeah, it's probably hard blocked |
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| 11:34.55 | TomTomTo1 | hellyeah: are you using the wl driver? https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 11:34.59 | hellyeah | i already checked rfkill |
| 11:35.04 | hellyeah | yea |
| 11:35.22 | hellyeah | 0: sony-wifi: Wireless LAN Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: no |
| 11:36.12 | hellyeah | i am using that driver |
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| 11:36.43 | BluesKaj | HI all |
| 11:37.30 | TomTomTo1 | hellyeah: can you paste this output to paste.debian.net? lspci -nnk | grep -i network -A2 |
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| 11:38.40 | hellyeah | TomTomTo1: http://dpaste.com/3K94VBD |
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| 11:40.24 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, I have the same network card (or whatever it is) |
| 11:40.53 | TomTomTo1 | weird, i expected it to show the kernel driver. either way, you could try running modprobe -r b44 b43 b43legacy ssb brcmsmac bcma wl; modprobe wl and check if that outputs something useful. |
| 11:40.56 | hellyeah | bcm43142 |
| 11:41.09 | hellyeah | let me see |
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| 11:41.35 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, what's your problem? |
| 11:42.07 | hellyeah | wireless connection not listed |
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| 11:42.35 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, network manager or wicd? Is the wireless network hidden? |
| 11:43.15 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, also, stable, testing or sid? |
| 11:43.20 | hellyeah | yeah it is hidden or not visible in some way in both |
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| 11:43.38 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, try to disable the Hidden SSID on your router |
| 11:43.38 | hellyeah | i am in stable |
| 11:43.50 | hellyeah | how can i do that? |
| 11:44.07 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, have you personally enabled it? |
| 11:44.38 | hellyeah | no |
| 11:45.00 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, oh. It's disabled by default, so it's probably not related to your problem. |
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| 11:45.23 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, personally, if I set my wireless network's SSID to hidden, I get problems with it. |
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| 11:45.50 | hellyeah | btw i got this output modprobe wl modprobe: FATAL: Module wl not found. |
| 11:46.10 | hellyeah | i guess it is the problem i follow wl wiki |
| 11:46.18 | hellyeah | and i do everything page told me |
| 11:46.21 | hellyeah | but got this errr |
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| 11:46.39 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, err... did you install broadcom-sta-common? |
| 11:46.50 | TimurTheLame | *broadcom-sta-dkms |
| 11:46.51 | TomTomTo1 | so you did not install the driver i asked you about earlier? the wiki page has instructions. |
| 11:47.06 | hellyeah | yea |
| 11:47.13 | hellyeah | i installed that package |
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| 11:47.46 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, can you try "apt-get install -reinstall broadcom-sta-dkms"? |
| 11:48.11 | hellyeah | sure |
| 11:48.16 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, * apt-get install --reinstall broadcom-sta-dkms |
| 11:49.36 | hellyeah | TimurTheLame: http://dpaste.com/27M19G2 |
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| 11:50.00 | hellyeah | we are good here? |
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| 11:50.37 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, apt-get install linux-headers |
| 11:51.16 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, err... or the equivalent of whatever kernel you're running |
| 11:51.24 | hellyeah | No candidate version found for linux-headers isnt it weird? |
| 11:51.33 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 11:51.40 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, Module build for kernel 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae was skipped since the |
| 11:51.43 | TimurTheLame | kernel headers for this kernel does not seem to be installed. |
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| 11:51.55 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 11:52.23 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, are you running a custom kernel? |
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| 11:52.50 | hellyeah | my kernel is 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae |
| 11:53.09 | hellyeah | i just use kernel that comes with debian installation |
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| 11:54.01 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, if you'd do "sudo dkms status", you'd see that wl is not built because the "headers" package for your particular kernel isn't installed |
| 11:54.10 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, try apt-get install linux-headers-4.9.0-2-686-pae |
| 11:54.44 | TimurTheLame | Oh darn, it's not the right one for you. I'm running unstable so I don't know which version you might have. |
| 11:54.45 | hellyeah | btw this is output of dkms status |
| 11:54.47 | hellyeah | root@debian:/home/bkgenc/Desktop# dkms status broadcom-sta, 6.30.223.271: added open-vm-tools, 10.1.0, 3.16.0-4-686-pae, i686: installed |
| 11:56.10 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, can you do uname -srv? |
| 11:56.37 | hellyeah | TimurTheLame: Linux 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.9.2-2~bpo8+1 (2017-01-26) |
| 11:57.09 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, do an aptitude search "linux headers pae" and install the one you need |
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| 11:58.53 | hellyeah | i will install this so as to get everything related linux-headers-4.9.0-0.bpo.2-all |
| 11:58.55 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, should be similar to "linux 4.9.0-0 bpo pae" |
| 11:59.25 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, the wireless module is built for the older kernel that you have, but not for the one that you're running right now |
| 12:00.06 | hellyeah | let me check that |
| 12:00.10 | hellyeah | i will be back |
| 12:00.14 | hellyeah | thanks for the help |
| 12:00.17 | TimurTheLame | hellyeah, np |
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| 12:04.04 | tsglove | o/ |
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| 12:04.55 | d1b | f/win44 |
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| 12:17.44 | petn-randall | darkezmo: You can upgrade your kernel by installing it via backports: |
| 12:17.48 | petn-randall | !jessie backports |
| 12:17.48 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See <http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/>. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
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| 12:20.26 | FinalX | !bdo |
| 12:20.27 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 12:20.35 | FinalX | ah, that's what bdo stands for lol |
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| 12:25.06 | dxtr | Why do X switch the keyboard layout when I move to a usb keyboard? |
| 12:25.29 | dxtr | I am using keyboard layout us, variant altgr-intl and the altgr-intl variant just stops working |
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| 12:26.47 | Kerberos_ | Hi |
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| 12:27.31 | Kerberos_ | Folks, is there any possibility that someone can help me with screen "blinking" issue? |
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| 12:29.03 | Kerberos_ | ? |
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| 12:29.47 | petn-randall | Kerberos_: It's custom to just ask your question, and then wait for someone who knows the answer to respond. |
| 12:29.50 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 12:29.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 12:30.20 | Kerberos_ | I would like to ask for your help, I installed and configured Debian (dual boot with WIN10) about 2 months ago. I had a problem with resolution initially, however I follow up tutorial from https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers under "Debian 8 "Jessie" and was able to fix issues, OS detects correct resolution and my graphic card (GTx 1080). Everything was great, I was digging into Debian, but since 2/3 days I'm experiencing |
| 12:30.48 | Kerberos_ | 'm turning on computer, everything works fine for 20/30 minutes, but after that time screen starts blinking from time to time (every 5/10 minutes maybe a little longer). I'm using Dell U3415W (connected by mDP 1.1 as Debian is not supporting DP 1.2 - audio) with audio (built in) and when screen starts blinking (black screen) I'm also losing audio, after 2 seconds everything works fine, but issue appears every few minutes, diode fro |
| 12:30.58 | Kerberos_ | I don't know what can be the root cause as it has occured since 2/3 days, however during those days I only installed Virtual Box and nothing else. Kindly please advise... |
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| 12:31.17 | Kerberos_ | uname -r Linux XXXXX 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1+deb8u1 (2017-02-22) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:31.27 | Kerberos_ | lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 vga 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation Device [10de:1b80] (rev a1) Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:119e] Kernel driver in use: nvidia |
| 12:31.40 | Kerberos_ | env | grep DESK GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE_PID=2063 GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE=/usr/share/applications/terminator.desktop DESKTOP_SESSION=default GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=this-is-deprecated XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=default XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME |
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| 12:33.01 | compass_ | so i upgraded kernel from 3.16(for old 586 procs) to same version but for 686 procs to enable multi core support |
| 12:33.03 | compass_ | which works |
| 12:33.37 | compass_ | but now wifi is hard blocked and linux doesn't recognize hardware switch. and it hangs on shutdown rather than switching off |
| 12:34.00 | compass_ | hmm |
| 12:34.38 | tocix | How did you upgrade linux? |
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| 12:35.39 | compass_ | sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.16.0-4-686-pae |
| 12:36.11 | compass_ | was using linux-image-3.16.0-4-586 originally |
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| 12:36.41 | TimurTheLame | compass_, do you have the linux-headers-*your-version* package installed? |
| 12:37.42 | compass_ | didn't do that explicitly, i guess that's a thing i should do right now :x |
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| 12:40.22 | petn-randall | compass_: I'm actually surprised those two kernels made a difference. The latter one just has PAE enabled. |
| 12:41.34 | compass_ | hi petn-randall :D |
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| 12:42.02 | compass_ | yeah i thought it was worth a try. i get two cores now but lose wifi and have to manually power down lol |
| 12:42.11 | compass_ | strange trade off |
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| 12:42.50 | compass_ | i read the debian page about 586 and it said only supports single core |
| 12:42.59 | petn-randall | compass_: Where does it say that? |
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| 12:44.01 | petn-randall | compass_: Indeed! It says so in the package description. I didn't know that. |
| 12:44.16 | tw | Kerberos_: does that happen in windows? because that sounds connectivity related. |
| 12:44.18 | compass_ | yeah! |
| 12:44.40 | compass_ | ok i've installed headers for 686 kernel, gonna restart and cross fingers |
| 12:44.54 | Kerberos_ | tw_: In Windows everything works fine, however in Windows I'm switching to DP 1.2 |
| 12:44.56 | BluesKaj | odd , both cores of my old pc work well on stretch |
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| 12:45.11 | BluesKaj | pc/cpu |
| 12:45.37 | petn-randall | BluesKaj: And you're running arch i386 with that specific kernel? |
| 12:46.09 | BluesKaj | nope , this is debian support , so that's why I'm here |
| 12:46.29 | tw | XD, no i386 architecture. |
| 12:46.30 | bezaban | architecture |
| 12:46.34 | bezaban | :) |
| 12:46.47 | tw | We got wiseguy, I think =p |
| 12:47.21 | BluesKaj | petn-randall, stretch is the debian test /dev/OS atm |
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| 12:47.39 | compass_ | oh well, guess 686 doesn't play nicely with this computer |
| 12:47.56 | bezaban | been long since I've done anything with i386, I think it's purged from my memory |
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| 12:48.11 | Kerberos_ | tw_: for first 20 minutes screen is not blinking and everything works fine, after that time it starts blinking intermittenlly every 5/7 minutes |
| 12:48.42 | Kerberos_ | screen is black and I have no audio for 2 seconds |
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| 12:49.39 | petn-randall | BluesKaj: arch = architecture |
| 12:49.40 | tw | I don't have the u3415w, but my config at home is basically the same, 375.39. |
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| 12:50.03 | georgi | Hi, is this the correct channel for asking questions about Debian/Linux/*BSD or is it for bug reports etc ? |
| 12:50.38 | petn-randall | georgi: It's the correct channel to ask for Debian support. For the others there are better suited channels. |
| 12:51.03 | Kerberos_ | tw_: it is really strange, I don't know what can be done to fix it... |
| 12:51.21 | Brigo | Kerberos_, hardware, i would guess |
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| 12:51.48 | tw | Kerberos_: Ignoring the audio, do you get the same graphical issue on DP 1.2? |
| 12:51.50 | Kerberos_ | Brigo_: it is not a hardware issue, as everything on Windows 10 works fine |
| 12:51.59 | BluesKaj | petn-randall, like I said above both cores so that usually indicates 64bit |
| 12:52.16 | georgi | Alright, I want to know more about Debian/kFreeBSD. Mainly, does it support NVIDIA Prime or Bumblebee ? |
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| 12:52.56 | Kerberos_ | tw_: to be honest I haven't checked it yet... Let me try, however if I will change it, I need to reboot computer and wait for next 20/30 minutes as issue appears after 20/30 minutes from boot time |
| 12:53.07 | cronic | Dear Debianusers, is there a common way to solve the depency problems of mariadb without purging mysql? |
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| 12:54.38 | georgi | I read that dual GPU support isn't great on the *BSDs, so I wonder if it would be the case with Debian/kFreeBSD because it uses the GNU userspace, just the kernel is different. NVIDIA have a driver for *BSD, the problem is in the Bumblebee / Prime support. |
| 12:54.40 | tw | Kerberos_: alternatively you could try in windows on mDP 1.1. It does sound very hardware related, which is sucky for a new board like that. =\ |
| 12:54.56 | drmuggles | i have a user named 'automated_user' and ive added him to the group 'www-data' but for some reason when i want to build something in a folder which has www-data as a group and X7X permissions, it does not work. i get permission errors. any idea what im doing wrong? |
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| 12:55.26 | Brigo | georgi, this channel is for Debian support, if your question is Debian related, you can ask |
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| 12:55.40 | Kerberos_ | tw_: I don't know way but on Windows DP 1.1 is working horrible,screen hangs up etc... |
| 12:55.58 | Kerberos_ | however it is known issue per "dell" support and you need to use DP 1.2 |
| 12:56.43 | Kerberos_ | but please realize that I have used debian for 2 months without any issues! since 2/3 days I have started experiencing issue with blinking screen |
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| 12:59.46 | kerberos_ | Hi tw_: |
| 12:59.51 | kerberos_ | I'm back |
| 13:00.06 | kerberos_ | I switched to DP 1.2, without rebooting and it looks good |
| 13:00.32 | kerberos_ | however I don't have audio, is there any fix for DP 1.2 to make audio to work? |
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| 13:01.00 | kerberos_ | what is the reason that Debian is not supporting audio for DP 1.2.? |
| 13:01.07 | BluesKaj | DP 1.2? |
| 13:01.18 | kerberos_ | display port 1.2 |
| 13:02.09 | kerberos_ | it is really stuppid for me, and I'm a little bit confused about DP 1.2... |
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| 13:03.27 | BluesKaj | not familair with display port audio, if it's similar to hdmi audio , then the spdif enable option in alsamixer is a start. kerberos_ |
| 13:03.27 | rapha | Hi! |
| 13:03.34 | petn-randall | BluesKaj: Well, the discussion was about core 2 duo t2050 running on i386, and that the stock kernel only supports single processors. |
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| 13:04.23 | kerberos_ | maybe official Debian support can answer question, why Debian doesn't support audio for Display Port 1.2 (monitor with built-in speakers)? |
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| 13:04.50 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, and spdif out should be enabled in pulse/pavutcontrol as well. |
| 13:04.52 | rapha | When I put my laptop into suspend or hibernate, it wakes up again just fine, no problem. But when it puts itself into suspend because of the timeout, the screen never wakes back up again and the only way to fix it is to reboot it. How could I go about fixing that? |
| 13:05.21 | kerberos_ | BLuesKaj_: it is not a Alfamix or pulseaudio issue, it is a DEBIAN issue |
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| 13:05.47 | stoned | rapha: i keep auto hibernate timer off. I manually hibernate when I need to. |
| 13:06.27 | rapha | stoned: well, sometimes the laptop is no on the AC adapter and I forget about it, and in those cases it's probably best for the battery if it's able to go into sleep mode on its own. |
| 13:06.41 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, and what does that mean...the bottom line is the alsa control is where to lok first , there' no "debian issue" as you call it |
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| 13:06.47 | stoned | Try to not forget. |
| 13:07.00 | rapha | stoned: that's a social/psychological fix to a technical problem. |
| 13:07.17 | stoned | It works. |
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| 13:07.26 | rapha | if i want my laptop to work fine after waking up from suspend, no matter how or why it got into suspend, then it should be able to do that |
| 13:07.28 | teraflops | kerberos_: there's no audio? what did you checked in order to confirm there's no audio? |
| 13:07.31 | kerberos_ | BLuesKaj_: what you would like from me to check in "Alsamixer"? |
| 13:07.40 | stoned | This is analogous to people relying on AV software for protection. |
| 13:07.41 | petn-randall | kerberos_: This support is as "official" as it gets, we're all volunteers in here. |
| 13:07.55 | petn-randall | kerberos_: Did you check if you select the correct output in pulseaudio? |
| 13:08.13 | kerberos_ | teraflops_: I have checked alsamixer (everything is enable), I have checked pavucontrol as weel |
| 13:08.16 | stoned | rapha: sleep/hibernate has always (for me) been problematic in linux. that's why I manually use it |
| 13:08.21 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, spdif output enabled so it can pass the digital signal to your display port |
| 13:08.24 | kerberos_ | yes I checked everything |
| 13:08.30 | teraflops | kerberos_: also use pavucontrol pactl or pacmd |
| 13:08.34 | rapha | stoned: no, it's not. AV software is problematic in and of itself. a broken wakeup is just broken. |
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| 13:08.54 | kerberos_ | BLuesKaj_: where I can check "spdif" output"? in pavucontrol? |
| 13:09.07 | stoned | rapha: I wish I could help you |
| 13:09.08 | rapha | stoned: so you're too lazy to find out how to fix something that's broken... |
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| 13:09.23 | stoned | Yes. |
| 13:09.27 | rapha | stoned: nevermind ... more people on that chan, maybe someone of them will think of something ;) |
| 13:09.29 | stoned | Very. I'm stoned. Dude. |
| 13:09.33 | rapha | lol |
| 13:09.35 | stoned | :) |
| 13:09.48 | rapha | has a flatmate who's stoned from 10AM in the morning |
| 13:09.50 | stoned | Smile brother. With relaxation you'll figure this out. |
| 13:10.23 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, start with alsamixer in the terminal first |
| 13:10.28 | teraflops | kerberos_: checked what? |
| 13:10.52 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj_: in pavucontrol I have first entry as "HDMI / DisplayPort 2 (unplugged) and second one as "Built in Audio Digital Stero (IEC958) - Digital Output (S/PDIF) |
| 13:10.57 | rapha | btw why's there no debian-next anymore? |
| 13:11.02 | stoned | !oftc |
| 13:11.03 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 13:11.13 | snowkrash | why does service crond says its not loaded? |
| 13:11.14 | stoned | Try irc.debian.org #debian-next |
| 13:11.15 | jelly | rapha: which debian release? If you connect an external monitor, does that work? |
| 13:11.15 | kerberos_ | teraflops_: I checked every post/forum with "debian no sound" |
| 13:11.17 | rapha | ah |
| 13:11.20 | snowkrash | why does service crond status says its not loaded? |
| 13:11.27 | rapha | jelly: i'm on stretch |
| 13:11.32 | stoned | rapha: are you on jessie? |
| 13:11.33 | stoned | oh. |
| 13:11.43 | stoned | Perhaps stretch resume/suspend is buggy? |
| 13:11.49 | snowkrash | is this the wrong approach? |
| 13:11.51 | stoned | It's still kind of testing. |
| 13:11.53 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj_: I have opened alsamixer, and what I should do right now? |
| 13:11.55 | jelly | snowkrash: probably because its name is "cron" |
| 13:11.56 | teraflops | kerberos_: it says unplugged but it's actually plugged in? |
| 13:11.56 | stoned | Just frozen |
| 13:12.02 | rapha | jelly: nah, even with an external screen it's the same thing |
| 13:12.17 | stoned | rapha: also ##linux might be of some help |
| 13:12.20 | rapha | hmm |
| 13:12.22 | kerberos_ | teraflops_: yes, and when I will switch to DP 1.1 "unplugged" will dissapeared :) |
| 13:12.27 | snowkrash | jelly, crond.service |
| 13:12.27 | snowkrash | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.33 | teraflops | kerberos_: ah |
| 13:12.36 | rapha | i'll try debian-next ... hadn't noticed at first that it was a forward here on freenode |
| 13:12.43 | snowkrash | jelly, what im doing wrong? |
| 13:12.46 | rapha | cheers and keep on smiling! |
| 13:12.48 | stoned | rapha: goodluck |
| 13:12.51 | stoned | :) |
| 13:12.53 | tw | kerberos_: how many hw devices does aplay -l show? |
| 13:13.00 | jelly | snowkrash: cron.service |
| 13:13.12 | rapha | thx bro! |
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| 13:13.13 | jelly | snowkrash: no "d" |
| 13:13.14 | kerberos_ | a lot |
| 13:13.21 | kerberos_ | tw_: **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC1150 Analog [ALC1150 Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 1: ALC1150 Digital [ALC1150 Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 1 |
| 13:13.30 | tw | kerberos_: have you tried using a different hw device? NV cards have a different audio output per port. |
| 13:13.40 | kerberos_ | card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 8: HDMI 2 [HDMI 2] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 9: HDMI 3 [HDMI 3] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 |
| 13:13.54 | jelly | snowkrash: so, "service cron status" |
| 13:14.00 | snowkrash | ok |
| 13:14.01 | snowkrash | thanks |
| 13:14.04 | snowkrash | now it works |
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| 13:14.27 | kerberos_ | tw_: no, but as I said before, when I switched to "DP 1.1" everything works fine, but it is still connected to same DP, I'm only changing DP in monitor settings (U3415W) |
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| 13:17.39 | kerberos_ | guys, I'm in alsamixer, whan I should check now? I press F6 to select sound card - 0. HDA Intel PCH, 1. HDA NVidia (I choosed that one) |
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| 13:19.19 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, make sure you have your master and digital ctrls unmuted , no MM, and the spdif(s) on the far right enabled |
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| 13:21.50 | tw | kerberos_: in pavucontrol, check the configuration tab to see if any of the audio profiles under your graphics card show as available. |
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| 13:22.13 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj_: is there any possibility that you can explain it a little more? |
| 13:22.40 | snowkrash | is it a bad idea to install sudo on debian? |
| 13:22.50 | snowkrash | why isnt it installed by default, is there any reason? |
| 13:23.29 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, the above post is still about alsamixer |
| 13:23.35 | petn-randall | snowkrash: It's only installed if you don't set a root password, in which case sudo is installed and the first user is added to the sudo group. |
| 13:23.38 | themill | There's about 40k packages that aren't installed by default |
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| 13:23.52 | snowkrash | ok |
| 13:23.53 | kerberos_ | BLuesKaj_: yes I'm still in alsamixer and everything is "00" |
| 13:23.57 | kerberos_ | so it's enabled |
| 13:24.19 | snowkrash | is there a security risk in leaving a tmux session active via ssh? |
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| 13:24.47 | jelly | snowkrash: detached? |
| 13:24.51 | snowkrash | like let a monitoring process running |
| 13:25.03 | petn-randall | snowkrash: Not more than having the ssh port open in the first place. |
| 13:25.07 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, my nick is BluesKaj , easier or me to see when it's highlighted, but it has to be spelled properly |
| 13:25.12 | snowkrash | ok i see |
| 13:25.23 | snowkrash | didnt know its even possible |
| 13:25.27 | snowkrash | its cool |
| 13:25.30 | petn-randall | kerberos_: Blu<tab> |
| 13:25.36 | snowkrash | is tmux the usual approach for this? |
| 13:25.47 | petn-randall | snowkrash: Define "this". |
| 13:25.53 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: sure, now it's good? |
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| 13:26.09 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, exacrly :-) |
| 13:26.13 | snowkrash | login via ssh start tcptrack log out come back look at the results |
| 13:26.41 | snowkrash | petn-randall, just read you can do this with tmux |
| 13:26.42 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: ok so I'm in alsamixer, everything has status "00" so it's enabled |
| 13:26.50 | jelly | snowkrash: that's pretty much what screen and tmux detach ability was made for? |
| 13:27.01 | snowkrash | jelly, ok thanks |
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| 13:28.07 | snowkrash | jelly, debian is so great i really like it |
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| 13:28.42 | jelly | great, however note that tmux is not debian specific |
| 13:28.56 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, ok , now what tw posted above, depending on your desktop find search and type in pulse, usually alt +F2 |
| 13:29.21 | kerberos_ | tw: under "Configuration" tab, I have two entries "HDA Nvidia" - few "Profiles" every as "unplugged" and second "Built-in-Audio", what I need to check? |
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| 13:31.28 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: to be honest I'm a little noobie, I'm in pulse audio (I used pavucontrol command from terminal) |
| 13:31.42 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: what is the next step? |
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| 13:33.25 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, check your uotput options in pavuctl and choose the digital out if you're trying for dispalyport audio, but it might show up as hdmi audio , not sure |
| 13:34.27 | tw | kerberos_: if they're all unplugged I'm out of ideas. |
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| 13:35.26 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: under Tab "Output Devices" I have two sections, first is "HDA Nvidia Digital Stereo (HDMI) port (HDMI/DisplayPort 2 (unplugged) and second section "Built-in Audio Digital Stereo (IEC958)" Port (Digital Output (S/PDIF) |
| 13:35.44 | kerberos_ | tw: maybe I can share you my screen or just take a screenshot? |
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| 13:36.55 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, the Built-in Audio Digital Stereo (IEC958) should connect the digital signal to your display port(s) |
| 13:38.03 | shtrb | what is the correct way to enable modem over dbus (modemmanger) - tried sudo qdbus  --system --type=method_call  org.freedesktop.ModemManager1 /org/freedesktop/ModemManager1/Modem/3 org.freedesktop.ModemManager1.Modem.Enable boolea |
| 13:38.03 | shtrb | n:true   but that is not the correct syntex (as it seems) |
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| 13:39.41 | snowkrash | whats the best tool to monitor ip connections with history? |
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| 13:39.47 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: under "Configuration" Tab I can see two sections (1. HDA Nvidia) - and all profiles have "unplugged", second one is "Built-in Audio) - and there are two profiles avaialble " Digital Stereo (IEC958) Output + Annalog Stereo Input and "DIgital Stereo (IEC958) Output |
| 13:40.01 | snowkrash | i could use tcptrack and write to file but that will produce a lot of data i guess |
| 13:40.05 | kerberos_ | tw: check above |
| 13:40.14 | toruvinn | snowkrash, in which way "monitor"? |
| 13:40.37 | snowkrash | toruvinn, only the ip adresses that tried to connect to the networkinterface |
| 13:40.45 | snowkrash | or did so far |
| 13:40.49 | toruvinn | snowkrash, why not iptables -j LOG or other logging target? |
| 13:41.13 | snowkrash | ok iptables is right |
| 13:41.24 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, try DIgital Stereo (IEC958) Output |
| 13:41.31 | toruvinn | snowkrash, you could probably also just filter syn+ack packets in tcpdump or something. |
| 13:41.42 | snowkrash | ok |
| 13:41.52 | toruvinn | (if you need tcp, that is. for udp you wont get those really) |
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| 13:43.13 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: I tried both, and I have checked "Output Devices" tab, I can see only that bar of sound is only moving for "HDA Nvidia Digital Stereo (HDMI), port (HDMI / DisplayPort 2 (unplugged) and not not moving for BUilt- in Audio DIgital Stereo (IEC958) |
| 13:43.15 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, I'm noy real familiar with display port audio , but I assume it's the same as hdmi from the soundcard, however , if that doen't work experiment with theo ther audio output options |
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| 13:43.56 | BluesKaj | 'scuse the typos |
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| 13:46.08 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, you may see audio indicators moving, but do you hear anything, that's the test of course |
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| 13:46.44 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: I can see audio indicators for "unplugged" HDMI audio output) but I can't hear enything |
| 13:46.56 | tw | kerberos_: if it doesn't show as plugged in, I don't know how to get it to rescan the connection or force it into a connected state. |
| 13:47.08 | tw | can't help you there. |
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| 13:47.18 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: what do you mean by experiment with theo? |
| 13:47.54 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, try different choices in F6 in alsamixer |
| 13:48.23 | BluesKaj | experiment with the other |
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| 13:49.12 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: trying right now |
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| 13:52.30 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: still same issue |
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| 13:52.51 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, to what kind of setup is the displaypot connecting? |
| 13:53.11 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: I apologize but I don't undestand question |
| 13:53.16 | snowkrash | toruvinn, if i dont want to use iptables you have a nother hint? |
| 13:53.32 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: I'm using mDP cable between computer and monitor |
| 13:54.02 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, a monitor with speakers or a speaker system or? |
| 13:54.21 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: Monitor Dell U3415W with built-in speakers |
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| 13:55.21 | BluesKaj | does the monitor have analog 3mm or rca audio inputs ? |
| 13:56.26 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: To be honest I don't know, but I'm using those built in speakers |
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| 13:57.31 | BluesKaj | and they worked on windows I bet |
| 13:57.52 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: yes, everything works perfect on Windows under DP 1.2 |
| 13:58.08 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: I found on the google some time ago, that DP 1.2 is not supported |
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| 13:59.28 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: you can check my topic here: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/347339/no-sound-debian-8 |
| 13:59.41 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: a lot of more information |
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| 13:59.46 | BluesKaj | do you have DP1.0 or 1.1 displayport |
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| 14:00.55 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: I have DP 1.1 and DP 1.2 |
| 14:01.24 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: On DP 1.1 audio works fine but screen is blinikng from time to time |
| 14:01.34 | kerberos_ | on DP 1.2 screen is not blinking however there is no audio |
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| 14:05.50 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, ok, which gpu ?, in the terminal, lspci | grep VGA |
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| 14:06.24 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: Nvidia GTx 1080 - 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 1b80 (rev a1) |
| 14:06.26 | Mortvert | Hello. |
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| 14:06.49 | Mortvert | I need help about installing debian via wifi (netinst) - my netbook has a broadcom chipset |
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| 14:08.23 | petn-randall | !firmware installer |
| 14:08.23 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 14:08.31 | petn-randall | Mortvert: I'm guessing you need to use this one ^^^ |
| 14:09.09 | Mortvert | For netinst, petn-randall |
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| 14:09.24 | Mortvert | I don't run debian or any other linux distro on any of my machines yet |
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| 14:09.48 | petn-randall | !firmware images |
| 14:09.48 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 14:09.49 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, that's quite a gpu there, you should be able to setup your video with out any flickering with OpenGL 3.1 setting and install the recommended nvidia driver for you gpu ..that should solve any flickering |
| 14:09.56 | petn-randall | Mortvert: Sorry, this is the one ^^^ |
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| 14:10.12 | petn-randall | Mortvert: They contain the firmware needed by most wifi cards nowadays. |
| 14:10.17 | crazy7 | How do you install openjdk 1.8 on debian? |
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| 14:10.30 | Mortvert | I tried that - it hadn't detected my wireless card, petn-randall |
| 14:10.41 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: is there any possibility that you can explain step by step? |
| 14:10.41 | toruvinn | snowkrash, as I said, tcpdump with a good filter (since tcp handshake is syn/synack/ack, you may log synack packets or something, for connections that are actually "accepted" (but not open yet, no ack)). not sure if there's something better. probably. i'd use iptables ;-) |
| 14:10.42 | Mortvert | it still yelled for firmware |
| 14:11.10 | snowkrash | toruvinn, iftop can do it |
| 14:11.25 | snowkrash | it has a text mode which one can write to file |
| 14:11.44 | snowkrash | iptables is the better solution im sure |
| 14:11.47 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: the reason why I'm asking for step by step is that last few times after installing nvidia drivers, I had black screen and I was forced to runr escue mode... |
| 14:11.58 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, which desktop do you have ? because I'm not very familair with gnome etc |
| 14:12.02 | snowkrash | but i need get into iptables first toruvinn |
| 14:12.06 | toruvinn | snowkrash, what im worried about is having to parse all the packets (iftop counts sizes for example) which will eat your CPU needlessly. |
| 14:12.22 | snowkrash | yes |
| 14:12.25 | snowkrash | its a fast solution |
| 14:12.34 | petn-randall | Mortvert: You used the firmware images, and it still asked for firmware? What chipset do you exactly have? |
| 14:12.36 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: do you mean uname -a? Linux xxxxx 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1+deb8u1 (2017-02-22) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:13.22 | Mortvert | Broadcom 4322G 802.11a/b/g/draft-n Wi-Fi Adapter |
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| 14:14.01 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: I'm using Debian 8 Jessie |
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| 14:16.35 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, where is your panel situated , that should tell me which desktop environment you have |
| 14:17.28 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: there is on the up of the screen |
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| 14:17.54 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: I'm old school - check my desktop for example https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Lhwi1hJemU4/maxresdefault.jpg |
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| 14:18.27 | snowkrash | is it possible to hack a running tmux session that runs as root? |
| 14:18.36 | bezaban | gnome3 is oldschool now? :P |
| 14:18.39 | kerberos_ | hahahah |
| 14:18.40 | kerberos_ | no :) |
| 14:18.46 | kerberos_ | I'm kidding only |
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| 14:19.22 | snowkrash | not really i guess |
| 14:19.29 | petn-randall | snowkrash: With an axe? |
| 14:19.36 | snowkrash | exactly :D |
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| 14:19.52 | BluesKaj | I've forgotten the command that gives the DE name ...anyone ? too many yrs on KDE here |
| 14:20.33 | crazy7 | How do you search for software in the command line using apt? |
| 14:20.49 | toruvinn | crazy7, apt-cache search xxx? |
| 14:20.52 | bezaban | apt search <pattern> |
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| 14:24.21 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: do you mean ps -A | egrep -i "gnome|kde|mate|cinnamon|lxde|xfce|jwm"? |
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| 14:27.40 | TomTomTo1 | or echo $DESKTOP_SESSION |
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| 14:28.50 | kerberos_ | TomTomTo1: it is not true, it will usually give you "default" answer |
| 14:29.09 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: are you here? |
| 14:30.40 | BluesKaj | thing is kerberos_ I still think you can solve your blinking problem with right driver for your graphics/gpu , if it's a Nvidia GTX 1080 then that's a high end gpu which has scattered support , however I think if you install nvidia-detect and dkms then you'll get a a message about installing the nvidia 375 or 376 driver , then you can switch back to DP1.1 and you audio problem will be solved as well |
| 14:31.26 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: can you provide me exactly command what I should use? |
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| 14:32.21 | TomTomTo1 | kerberos_: "usually" where exactly? |
| 14:32.28 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, ok, in the terminal , sudo apt install dkms nvidia-detect |
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| 14:33.23 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: done |
| 14:33.32 | BluesKaj | did they install? |
| 14:33.50 | BluesKaj | kerberos_,^ |
| 14:33.54 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: I install nvidia-detect |
| 14:34.06 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: and I run nvidia-detect from terminal |
| 14:34.10 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: output: nvidia-detect Detected NVIDIA GPUs: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation Device [10de:1b80] (rev a1) Your card is only supported by a newer driver that is available in jessie-backports. See http://backports.debian.org for instructions how to use backports. You may also find newer driver packages in experimental. It is recommended to install the nvidia-driver/jessie-backports |
| 14:34.31 | BluesKaj | and dkms ? |
| 14:34.55 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: sorry, I run sudo apt install dkms nvidia-detect |
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| 14:35.19 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: and Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done dkms is already the newest version. The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required: pkg-config Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove it. The following NEW packages will be installed: nvidia-detect 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 141 kB of archives. Af |
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| 14:36.59 | BluesKaj | ok kerberos_ time for a a learning curve on your part, if you intend to maintain your OS then keeping the corecte drivers upgraded is an important part of it. so read the url http://backports.debian.org |
| 14:37.31 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: I already did it, it's the reason why I have backports in my sources list |
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| 14:39.14 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: my questions is, should I run now "apt-get -t jessie-backports install nvidia-driver/jessie-backports" |
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| 14:40.49 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, run sudo nvidia-detect , and don't post the output here only the name of the driver like nvidia-375 or .. |
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| 14:41.29 | BluesKaj | !paste |
| 14:41.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:41.46 | BluesKaj | kerberos_,^ |
| 14:41.49 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: I appologize, I run sudo nvidia-detect, but in the output I didin't have entry info about driver |
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| 14:42.16 | BluesKaj | exactly what we need to know, which driver is it? |
| 14:42.34 | kerberos_ | I have already nvidia-driver as newest version - Selected version '375.26-1~bpo8+1' (Debian Backports:jessie-backports [amd64]) for 'nvidia-driver' |
| 14:42.39 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: |
| 14:43.21 | BluesKaj | ok, wonder if the the 367 driver might run better on gnome |
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| 14:44.12 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: let me know what is the next step, and I really apreciate your help... |
| 14:46.22 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, sudo apt remove nvidia-375 && sudo apt install nvidia-367 ...let's hope this doesn't break your sytem, it's a gamble ..the decision is up to you. |
| 14:46.56 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: I trust you men :) |
| 14:47.34 | BluesKaj | it's a gamble kerberos_ |
| 14:47.43 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: I have error: E: Unable to locate package nvidia-375 |
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| 14:48.53 | BluesKaj | yeah , debain is too precise |
| 14:49.18 | BluesKaj | give me a a minute |
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| 14:49.25 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: sure |
| 14:49.41 | armin | would anyone of you be so kind to gist/pastebin their /lib/systemd/system/NetworkManager.service file? i lost it and don't have access to a box where i got that file right now. |
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| 14:50.05 | armin | systemd symlink hell... |
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| 14:50.31 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, do you have hdmi connections and cable ? |
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| 14:51.11 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: yep, I have free HDMI cable, but it's not connected to screen right now, I hate HDMI :) |
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| 14:53.28 | bullgard4 | armin: Although I am using NetworkManager my Debian stable does not have any /lib/systemd/system/NetworkManager.service file. |
| 14:53.48 | TomTomTo1 | armin: https://paste.debian.net/plain/918755 |
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| 14:54.36 | armin | perfect, thanks a lot! |
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| 14:56.03 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, hdmi might give you fewer problems without flickering, it's more mature system and the drivers are as well There won't be any difference in resolution if that's what you're concerned about. |
| 14:56.43 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: I understand, but I'm using dual boot with Win 10 so, each time I should replace cable? |
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| 14:56.59 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: 4K on mDP is 60 Hz, HDMI only 30 Hz |
| 14:57.00 | BluesKaj | that's all in can suggest now, I've run out of ideas |
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| 14:57.59 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: thanks for your help, I will follow up on reddit (Debian) and other forums, maybe someone will figure out what is going on, where I can ask if DP 1.2 is supported officialy? |
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| 14:59.46 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: I'm still 99% sure that DP 1.2 is supported, however without audio :), why I'm thinking like that? I have a collegue with same problem, DP1.1 - everything works fine, Display port 1.2 - audio not working |
| 14:59.51 | BluesKaj | kerberos_,don't confuse frames /sec with hz or refresh rate , they're not the same thin atall |
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| 15:00.19 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: you are right, I apologize |
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| 15:01.17 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: for how long you will be here? I need to pick up my girlfriend, so I will be back within 1 hour, maybe during that time you will be able to find solution? (of course if you want and have time) |
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| 15:04.06 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, if DP1.2 doesn't support audio , then i 'm out of ideas |
| 15:04.27 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: I don't know, it's the reason why I'm here :) |
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| 15:04.53 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: is it possible that VIrtualBox can be the root cause? Screen started blinking when I install VirtualBox |
| 15:05.19 | BluesKaj | unless you have a separate speaker system that you can connect to the analog out |
| 15:05.53 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: I need to leave right now, I will be back within 1 hour, I hope that you will be still here, if not I would like to say big thank you for your help |
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| 15:06.04 | BluesKaj | yes, VB can cause all klinds of troubles, that's why I don't use VMs |
| 15:06.38 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: You are really kind person, want to say "awesome", see you within 1 hour (if you will be here) :) |
| 15:07.02 | BluesKaj | ok , good luk |
| 15:09.43 | f4cl3y | qw |
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| 15:15.12 | gehaxelt | hey, I have a question. I'm running debian8 and I'd like to downgrade openssh to 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u2. running apt-get install openssh-server=1:6.7p1-5+deb8u2 does not work |
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| 15:15.23 | gehaxelt | Is it possible? If so, how? |
| 15:15.27 | gehaxelt | Thanks in advance! :) |
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| 15:17.57 | mtn | !downgrade |
| 15:17.57 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 15:20.49 | stoned | gehaxelt: why? |
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| 15:21.09 | stoned | gehaxelt: what is a feature of that version which you require, and why? |
| 15:21.09 | jelly | ,v openssh-server |
| 15:21.11 | judd | Package: openssh-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u6; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u3; jessie-security: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u3; stretch: 1:7.4p1-6; sid: 1:7.4p1-7 |
| 15:21.26 | gehaxelt | mtn, thanks, that's useful :) |
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| 15:21.31 | stoned | perhaps you can rebuilt openssh sever package how you need to? Might that help? |
| 15:21.33 | jelly | dpkg, tell gehaxelt about snapshot |
| 15:22.16 | gehaxelt | stoned, I'm building a vulnerable VM for an university task and I'd like to used an openssh version which is vulnerable to CVE-2015-6565 |
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| 15:22.49 | Elirips | I have a working jessie machine, and I would like to compile things inside it, that require a newer g++. I dont want to ruin my good running jessie machine, can I somehow install another debian in it, that is more recent? |
| 15:23.24 | stoned | !debootstrap |
| 15:23.25 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 15:23.32 | stoned | Elirips: setup a chroot |
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| 15:24.05 | jelly | gehaxelt: you should have gotten a private message from dpkg bot |
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| 15:24.29 | snowkrash | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.41 | gehaxelt | jelly, i see, thank you! I'll give it a try :) |
| 15:24.50 | snowkrash | is ssmtp not working on debian? |
| 15:25.02 | Nik05 | snowkrash that there is a bug in it |
| 15:25.03 | Elirips | stoned: amazing. deboostrap sid /tmp/sid/ how can i be that simple? :D |
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| 15:25.14 | snowkrash | ok then i will uninstall it |
| 15:25.24 | stoned | more complex |
| 15:25.32 | stoned | you have to bind some stuff from outside to inside |
| 15:25.39 | stoned | !tell Elirips about chroot |
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| 15:25.45 | Elirips | stoned: I will need to access github and svn |
| 15:25.50 | Elirips | from within chroot |
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| 15:26.01 | stoned | you'll have to install the tools in the deboostrapped system then. |
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| 15:26.21 | stoned | as well as outside, or you can just have them outsdie or inside the mount bind home somewhere |
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| 15:26.32 | stoned | my english sucks. |
| 15:26.34 | Elirips | stoned: what I would like to achieve at the end is: have a cronjob that regulary builds something and places it in some directory |
| 15:26.36 | Elirips | mine too |
| 15:26.39 | rly | Ark in KDE doesn't work in all cases; is there something which does integrate with KDEs menus and does actually work? |
| 15:26.39 | lerner | i was just suggested to use debian instead of xubuntu, because you are more privacy friendly. Is this true? |
| 15:26.55 | Nik05 | snowkrash what do you do that gives the pointer error? |
| 15:27.04 | stoned | No idea. Maybe? Ubuntu is commercial. So maybe it has adware? |
| 15:27.06 | stoned | Debian is clean. |
| 15:27.19 | snowkrash | Nik05, try to send email |
| 15:27.20 | petn-randall | lerner: Maybe? No idea what Canonical is doing these days. |
| 15:27.20 | jelly | lerner: it's hard to say because we have no idea what specific privacy issues the other distro may have |
| 15:27.21 | stoned | Commercialized linux might have ad related crap. |
| 15:27.32 | snowkrash | maybe the configuration is wrong dont know |
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| 15:28.24 | stoned | rly: ark works just fine. You can use kde-apps website and download a reight click menu script addon for konqueror or dolphin maybe |
| 15:28.28 | stoned | check inside #kde channel |
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| 15:28.35 | Nik05 | snowkrash same as this one? Looks like an old bug... https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=769020 |
| 15:28.36 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/769020 in ssmtp (open): «ssmtp, glibc detected, free(): invalid pointer»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-11-10; last modified: 2014-11-10. |
| 15:28.39 | lerner | my notebook is an intel kaby lake 64 bits, is amd64 the imageI have to download? |
| 15:28.42 | rly | stoned: no, I just made it crash. |
| 15:28.52 | stoned | how about file-roller? |
| 15:28.54 | jelly | lerner: yes |
| 15:28.56 | snowkrash | Nik05, whats some alternative to sendmail without big setup |
| 15:28.57 | rly | stoned: also crap. |
| 15:28.57 | stoned | ,v file-roller |
| 15:28.58 | judd | Package: file-roller on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-1; jessie: 3.14.1-1; stretch: 3.22.2-2; sid: 3.22.3-1 |
| 15:29.01 | stoned | Hm. |
| 15:29.03 | snowkrash | ssmtp seemed to be fine |
| 15:29.04 | stoned | I use cli, dude. |
| 15:29.04 | stoned | :D |
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| 15:29.30 | Nik05 | snowkrash i don't know, but other probably do |
| 15:29.33 | rly | stoned: rather annoying that nobody can write GUIs that do not crash. |
| 15:29.39 | jelly | lerner: if you don't have wired connectivity during installation and need wireless to work, you may be better with |
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| 15:29.40 | stoned | w/ tab directory name/file completion, it's so easy to type a command and extract things then click and drag and all that goofyness |
| 15:29.41 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 15:29.42 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 15:29.53 | stoned | rly: eh. sucks. |
| 15:29.54 | rly | stoned: thanks, indeed the cli tools do pretty much always work. |
| 15:29.59 | snowkrash | just want to send via my smtp account |
| 15:30.01 | lerner | jelly, with what? |
| 15:30.11 | stoned | maybe there could be a ncurses interface one? |
| 15:30.14 | stoned | I hav eno idea if one exists. |
| 15:30.21 | jelly | lerner: ^^ see what dpkg bot said above |
| 15:30.24 | stoned | I'm sure some curses file managers do that unzipping thing |
| 15:30.27 | stoned | liek gentoo? |
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| 15:30.34 | stoned | or efm or something something |
| 15:30.44 | lerner | ok... |
| 15:30.45 | jelly | snowkrash: if it works and only breaks like that soemtimes, keep using it |
| 15:30.47 | FinalX | "mc" ? :P |
| 15:30.51 | gehaxelt | another question: It looks like jessie comes with a recent enough version of openssh. Can I simply install the one from wheezy or will it break something? |
| 15:30.53 | stoned | sure, maybe mc |
| 15:30.54 | stoned | :D |
| 15:30.58 | FinalX | mc <3 |
| 15:31.17 | jelly | snowkrash: otherwise, try an alternative like msmtp-mta |
| 15:31.27 | rly | How is determined whether something is fit for inclusion in Debian if it legally is all fine? |
| 15:31.57 | rly | E.g., if it crashes could that be reason for exclusion? How often does that need to happen before that is the case? |
| 15:32.11 | rly | Are there formalized KPIs for this? If not, why not? |
| 15:32.26 | stoned | !tell rly about dfsg |
| 15:32.35 | jnoah | for stretch, will debian have firfox 52? |
| 15:32.39 | stoned | rly: must comply w/ debian free software guidelins and packag policy |
| 15:32.42 | jelly | rly: typically, a piece of software needs to be usable, have an active upstream, and yes be dfsg compliant |
| 15:32.47 | bezaban | rly: someone who will maintain and package it over time. Software should not crash, but I don't know of a policy |
| 15:33.02 | jelly | rly: and someone has to want to maintain packages in debian |
| 15:33.47 | bezaban | there are some examples of not so active upstreams |
| 15:33.48 | snowkrash | jelly it doesnt work |
| 15:33.54 | snowkrash | i try that one thanks |
| 15:33.59 | jhutchins_wk | gehaxelt: Do not mix packages from different releases. |
| 15:34.01 | bezaban | but can't think of a good example :) |
| 15:34.06 | stoned | There are some packages which are not upstream maintined even, which is also fine. |
| 15:34.15 | rly | Given the huge amounts of packages in Debian, I would welcome banning packages that are worse than others by some objective measure. |
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| 15:34.28 | stoned | O_o |
| 15:34.35 | snowkrash | jelly, this does not look like a config error, right? |
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| 15:34.41 | snowkrash | looks like a memory leak |
| 15:34.44 | gehaxelt | jhutchins_wk, ok, but how do I downgrade it if jessie does not have previous versions of it? |
| 15:34.47 | jelly | rly: how much time do you spend maintaining packages in debian? |
| 15:34.56 | stoned | jelly++ |
| 15:35.19 | jhutchins_wk | gehaxelt: I thought you were asking about openssh |
| 15:35.24 | rly | jelly: I am counting the time of every individual/organisation which needs to install a package only to discover it sucks. |
| 15:35.44 | rly | jelly: and that's a huge number. |
| 15:35.59 | stoned | The only pcakges that suck are th eones who are broken or buggy in testing/sid. |
| 15:36.00 | petn-randall | rly: I'm sure you've filed bug reports for all cases? |
| 15:36.03 | stoned | stable is beautiful. |
| 15:36.07 | rly | petn-randall: I did. |
| 15:36.21 | jelly | rly: if a piece of software already in Debian is mostly unusable, a Severity: serious (or higher) bug should be filed |
| 15:36.37 | jhutchins_wk | rly: I've managed thousands of Linux systems over the years that Just Worked. |
| 15:36.40 | jelly | rly: that will keep it from being included in the next release |
| 15:36.55 | rly | jelly: that's up to interpretation. In this case, when you delete a file from a zip archive using Ark, it crashes. |
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| 15:37.16 | rly | jelly: I think Ark is just not fit for general use until such trivial things are fixed. |
| 15:37.27 | rly | jelly: e.g. this would never happen at Microsoft. |
| 15:37.30 | jelly | rly: that's not "unusable for most users", that's just a "buggy when you do this specific thing" |
| 15:37.42 | jhutchins_wk | rly: That is completely untrue. |
| 15:37.55 | jhutchins_wk | rly: Besides which, zip isn't a Microsoft product. |
| 15:37.55 | babilen | (and absolutely irrelevant) |
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| 15:38.11 | rly | jhutchins_wk: what is untrue? |
| 15:38.13 | petn-randall | gives rly a fish. |
| 15:38.18 | stoned | rly: on stable jessie, it doesn't make it crash on my side. |
| 15:38.38 | jhutchins_wk | rly: Microsoft platforms have all kinds of problem. |
| 15:38.44 | rly | stoned: highly doubtful. Are you saying that you offer USD 100K if I make it crash on stable? |
| 15:38.57 | stoned | Knock it off, dude. |
| 15:39.02 | stoned | you're trying our patience. |
| 15:39.21 | rly | stoned: so, not 100K, then how much? |
| 15:39.34 | rly | You ascribe properties to stable, which it doesn't have. |
| 15:39.41 | rly | I have no doubt that "cat" works in stable. |
| 15:39.43 | petn-randall | yawns. |
| 15:39.49 | petn-randall | rly: Do you have a support question? |
| 15:40.16 | jelly | rly: can you reproduce this bug in every case? |
| 15:40.40 | jelly | rly: also, did you look at whether it was fixed after jessie, eg. in stretch? |
| 15:41.29 | stoned | It works. I just deleted /log/ out of the PokeMMMO rpg zip file in ark. Ark |
| 15:41.29 | stoned | Version 2.19 |
| 15:41.33 | rly | jelly: I have no doubt that I can do that, given sufficient motivation. I am however of the opinion that broken software was created by a broken process and hence there is no point in fixing individual bugs. |
| 15:42.19 | stoned | No problem in ark, amd64 jessie. |
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| 15:43.06 | rly | Anyway, this exact response is exactly what the problem is. |
| 15:43.12 | BluesKaj | unp can decompress most files |
| 15:43.31 | jelly | rly: so you don't have enough motivation to see if it was fixed in newer version, but you think the process is broken without that check? |
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| 15:43.55 | rly | jelly: the Debian process is fine; it's the author of this piece of software. |
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| 15:44.18 | rly | jelly: and perhaps the policy that Debian accepts software which is not fit for production. |
| 15:44.22 | jelly | rly: you did not even check whether the current version has that bug. |
| 15:44.31 | stoned | try bugs.kde.org |
| 15:44.32 | rly | jelly: how is that even relevant? |
| 15:44.33 | BluesKaj | stretch here, no problems so far |
| 15:44.38 | stoned | search on that one, for ark bugs |
| 15:44.41 | rly | jelly: and no, the bug doesn't exist yet. |
| 15:44.47 | stoned | see if 4.19 has that bug listed |
| 15:44.51 | rly | jelly: many others do, though. |
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| 15:45.15 | Dice-Man | hello how can i know on which repos is a packet ? |
| 15:45.21 | petn-randall | rly: Wait, so you're complaining about a bug, that wasn't reported, you don't want to test if it is fixed in newer versions, and you complain about the process? |
| 15:45.22 | rly | The process is the development process, which includes a complete lack of testing, for example. |
| 15:45.24 | stoned | Dice-Man: apt-cache policy |
| 15:45.30 | jelly | rly: if you think there's process issue, you probably want to confirm that by looking at more than one point in the process |
| 15:45.32 | petn-randall | rly: I think the process is completely broken. |
| 15:45.38 | petn-randall | rly: It's called PEBKAC. |
| 15:45.56 | rly | petn-randall: interesting; the software crashes, and I did it. |
| 15:45.58 | mtn | Dice-Man: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 15:46.33 | jelly | rly: otherwise, you have a single data point and you can't draw any conclusions from that |
| 15:47.09 | rly | jelly: I am familiar with how Ark is developed. |
| 15:47.14 | armin | can i somehow let network-manager execute an arbitrary command after successfully connecting to a specific wifi? |
| 15:47.35 | Dice-Man | stoned: well it says cannot find packet :( |
| 15:47.52 | stoned | http://www.peazip.org/peazip-linux.html |
| 15:47.54 | jelly | rly: but you're apparently not familiar with the concept of "trying a newer version" |
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| 15:48.03 | stoned | rly: check peazip for linux |
| 15:48.06 | Dice-Man | i'm trying to configure /etc/apt/source.list but i cannot figure how doest run |
| 15:48.10 | stoned | get your stuff unzipped, then get your work done |
| 15:48.14 | Dice-Man | *doest it work |
| 15:48.33 | stoned | !tell Dice-Man about sources.list |
| 15:48.42 | mtn | Dice-Man: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 15:48.50 | jelly | rly: in any case, if there's no bug report in Debian, don't expect a fix |
| 15:49.12 | jelly | dpkg, tell rly about reportbug |
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| 15:49.28 | jelly | dpkg, tell rly about bts |
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| 15:49.44 | stoned | https://code.google.com/archive/p/k7z/wikis/Screenshots.wiki |
| 15:49.50 | stoned | Another unzipper gui in linu |
| 15:49.51 | rly | jelly: if the goal would be to make Debian better, why *not* add optional tracking to every package. That way, there would be data on how often things crash per operation, etc. |
| 15:50.09 | stoned | nice context menu in kde |
| 15:50.35 | rly | stoned: yes, this is useful, but it won't fix the general problem of Debian shipping low-quality packages. |
| 15:50.48 | stoned | rly: it doesn't, and that's not a problem. |
| 15:50.48 | jelly | rly: if there's no bug report in Debian, don't expect a fix |
| 15:50.51 | stoned | Knock it off. |
| 15:51.24 | jelly | there's no general problem, all I see is someone annoyed with one particular upstream, and taking it to one particular distro |
| 15:51.46 | stoned | It seems you are more interested in discussing something you definitely don't want to do anything about, so basically just complaining b/c something crashed, and now it's become a point of argument for you. Needless. |
| 15:52.07 | rly | stoned: there are specialized companies which provide crash reports for JavaScript applications. These companies do have customers. Why would you say that Debian is different? |
| 15:52.11 | stoned | I see no real reason for this conversation, psychologically. Your rason for why you're complaining also does not escape us. Why jelly is continuing to humor you is beyond me. |
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| 15:52.14 | stoned | anyway. |
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| 15:53.47 | rly | I am going to guess that if Google were to offer a patch with full analytics for every program in Debian for *free* with free maintenance, that you would accept it. |
| 15:54.03 | rly | (Optional, of course.) |
| 15:54.19 | rly | I am not sure why you think it's a good idea to hold on to positions which are not rational. |
| 15:54.24 | stoned | Hypotheticals of this nature of a waste of time. |
| 15:54.39 | rly | You said that you didn't need it a minute ago. |
| 15:54.50 | rly | And now you say it is a hypothetical waste of time. |
| 15:55.01 | stoned | You really just want to talk/argue, eh? |
| 15:55.03 | stoned | :) |
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| 15:55.07 | rly | Don't argue positions you cannot defend. |
| 15:55.07 | stoned | Not on my time. |
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| 15:55.14 | jelly | rly: this isn't the right place to propose feature additions to debian, it's a channel for tech support of specific issues |
| 15:55.33 | rly | jelly: OK, thanks for the help. |
| 15:55.38 | compass_ | debian hangs when powering off on shutdown - i need to manually hold down power button on laptop to shut down computer |
| 15:55.40 | compass_ | anyway around this? |
| 15:55.46 | jelly | rly: if you want to see a feature like that, volunteer your time making it so |
| 15:56.02 | jelly | or pay someone to do it |
| 15:56.14 | FinalX | and I'm not usually the one saying it, but if you don't like the way Debian is, there's plenty of distributions to go around. If you don't want to move away from Debian, feel free to contribute :p |
| 15:56.25 | jhutchins_wk | compass_: That's an issue that comes up occasionally. Not sure if there's a generic fix for it. What release, what desktop, what hardware? |
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| 15:56.49 | stoned | hey, I got a proton mail! :D sorry just got noticd. :D |
| 15:57.07 | stoned | FinalX: I have tried EVERY distro (mainline) out there. Always back to debian I come |
| 15:57.18 | stoned | Same with code editors. Tried em all, alays come back to netbeans. |
| 15:57.38 | FinalX | always comes back to vim |
| 15:57.47 | stoned | yeah, well. nerd! |
| 15:57.47 | compass_ | 3.16 686. crunchbang++. old fujitsu siemans laptop, core2duo and 1.5gb ram |
| 15:57.48 | stoned | :D |
| 15:58.33 | compass_ | apart from the shutdown thing, really sweet os and runs efficiently |
| 15:58.52 | rly | Nobody has tried every distro; not even everything listed on distrowatch.com. |
| 15:58.56 | jelly | compass_: crunchbang? |
| 15:58.59 | rly | You might have tried "a lot". |
| 15:59.24 | stoned | Since 1994 to 2017. That's a lot of year to try distros. |
| 15:59.38 | stoned | many distros. Many debians since 2001 |
| 15:59.43 | jhutchins_wk | !crunchbang |
| 15:59.43 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 15:59.45 | stoned | all the ubuntus |
| 15:59.52 | jelly | rly, stoned: let's keep the comments in here to specific suggestions about a particular issue, please |
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| 16:02.26 | jelly | you want to nitpick about word meanings, there's #debian-offtopic |
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| 16:03.15 | Dice-Man | aptitude install or apt-get install what suits well with the system ? |
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| 16:03.26 | jelly | !why aptitude |
| 16:03.26 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 16:03.33 | jelly | !why not aptitude |
| 16:03.34 | dpkg | Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 16:03.49 | Dice-Man | ok thanks |
| 16:04.11 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: are you here :)? |
| 16:04.15 | snowkrash | is installing ZNC irc bouncer a security risk? |
| 16:04.32 | petn-randall | ... |
| 16:04.40 | jhutchins_wk | There's also apt now. |
| 16:04.48 | jelly | snowkrash: each and every piece of software, esp. those that do network connections, are a risk of some kind |
| 16:04.56 | snowkrash | sure |
| 16:04.57 | petn-randall | snowkrash: If all your questions are going to be "Is X a security risk?", we're going to have a long day here. :) |
| 16:05.05 | snowkrash | hehe |
| 16:05.09 | snowkrash | yeah |
| 16:05.10 | jelly | snowkrash: running them is usually a bit more risky than just installing |
| 16:05.16 | jhutchins_wk | snowkrash: Anything that exposes a service to external networks is a risk. |
| 16:05.23 | snowkrash | i know |
| 16:05.31 | snowkrash | but well you know it better in detail |
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| 16:06.03 | jhutchins_wk | snowkrash: Check for CVEs on that package, check development discussions. |
| 16:06.09 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, yes, but I don't think I can help much futher, other than some of connection changes i suggested |
| 16:06.12 | snowkrash | ok i will |
| 16:06.13 | jelly | znc isn't that good with CVE assigning |
| 16:06.25 | stoned | irssi scrreen and irssi proxy |
| 16:06.27 | petn-randall | snowkrash: If it's usually connected to the internet, the risk is likely acceptable (web servers, mail servers, irc bouncers, etc.) if you configure them correctly. Just don't run things like databases or samba on the internet. |
| 16:06.27 | stoned | works well. |
| 16:06.34 | jelly | it's usually "run the very latest upstream has, or they'll hate you" |
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| 16:06.45 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: sure, now I'm using mini display port, I will check HDMI and standard DIsplay Port :) |
| 16:06.50 | jelly | they even mock Debian in #znc topic |
| 16:06.54 | kerberos_ | BluesKaj: thx man, have a great day! |
| 16:07.03 | snowkrash | petn-randall, yes i dont do, i use samba only temporary in the LAN |
| 16:07.17 | BluesKaj | kerberos_, ok , good luck |
| 16:07.26 | snowkrash | and turn it off afterwards |
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| 16:07.31 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
| 16:07.40 | kerberos_ | Folks, if anyone of you have time and desire - there is interesting topic - https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/5y7l0v/annoying_screen_blinking/ :) any comments are appreciate! |
| 16:07.42 | tharkun | Good $DAY, under /run/user there are several subdirs with the system user id. When is that tmpfs directory created? |
| 16:08.04 | jelly | tharkun: when you log in |
| 16:08.29 | jelly | part of some systemd session keeping functionality |
| 16:08.49 | tharkun | jelly: Is that a done with root privilidges or can a regular user make that subdirectory? |
| 16:09.21 | jelly | tharkun: you tell me, what are the permissions on its parent /run/user |
| 16:09.54 | jelly | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 60 Mar 8 07:37 /run/user |
| 16:09.54 | tharkun | jelly: :) |
| 16:10.52 | ychaouche | guys, I am trying to get log lines in my syslog file with the logger command but I can't see them |
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| 16:11.03 | ychaouche | I'm on debian 8.5 |
| 16:11.23 | mandeep_ | is there a torrent for the nonfree live cd? all i can find are http isos |
| 16:11.33 | ychaouche | logger "hello syslog ?" should display something like "Mar 8 17:03:10 ychaouche-PC ychaouche: hello" |
| 16:11.43 | ychaouche | but it's not there |
| 16:12.00 | jelly | ychaouche: by default, logger uses the user facility. Is your syslog configured to log user.* to that file? |
| 16:12.10 | tharkun | precisely. So if I don't log in I don't have it created. Is there any other place debian has a tmpfs that I can tap into it. Like a place similar /tmp but with a tmpfs mounted filesystem? |
| 16:12.37 | jelly | tharkun: you can make /tmp a tmpfs if you want |
| 16:12.49 | jelly | tharkun: what's the goal? |
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| 16:13.15 | tharkun | speed an hdd intesive process by having a ramdisk do the heavy lifting. |
| 16:13.22 | tharkun | lots of writes and overwrites. |
| 16:13.25 | ychaouche | jelly: I don't know how to check that |
| 16:13.45 | tharkun | ychaouche: man logger then grep all the available files in /var/log ;P |
| 16:14.03 | ychaouche | I am reading /etc/rsyslog.conf |
| 16:14.09 | jelly | ychaouche: figure out which syslog daemon you're using (it's rsyslog by default) and how it's configured (/etc/rsyslog.conf, by default) |
| 16:14.17 | ychaouche | I think I begin to understand what jelly was talking about |
| 16:15.06 | ychaouche | user.* -/var/log/user.log |
| 16:15.11 | jelly | ychaouche: right |
| 16:15.12 | jhutchins_wk | ychaouche: I haven't used it in years, but I think you have to specify a timestamp option and what facility you're logging to, as well as log level. |
| 16:15.23 | ychaouche | jhutchins_wk: not in mint |
| 16:15.37 | mtn | mandeep_: if you are planning on installing, don't use the live disk. use the netinstall or dvd 1 |
| 16:15.42 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: "man logger" will tell them the default facility and priority, it's "user.notice" |
| 16:15.44 | ychaouche | mint is based on ubuntu which is based on debian so I guess not, but that's just a guess. |
| 16:15.55 | jelly | ychaouche: mint is not debian, tho |
| 16:15.59 | tharkun | jelly: setting tmp as tmpfs will drain too many resources on the server. I need to do this on a very limited scale. |
| 16:16.13 | tharkun | ychaouche: The devil is in the details. |
| 16:16.28 | ychaouche | jelly: I only have user.log under /var/log and it's empty. |
| 16:16.29 | jelly | tharkun: go abuse /dev/shm then, what do I care! |
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| 16:16.53 | tharkun | jelly: Thanks for you encouraging comments. :) |
| 16:16.55 | jelly | ychaouche: is a syslog service running at all? |
| 16:17.11 | ychaouche | yeah I have postfix logs right there in syslog |
| 16:17.32 | jelly | tharkun: do you have an unprivileged service doing some stuff or what? |
| 16:17.44 | ychaouche | service rsyslog status says service active. |
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| 16:17.50 | mandeep_ | mtn: how do i know that the install will work? |
| 16:18.03 | tharkun | Yes, that is my isue. I need to figure how to do the mount as an unprivilidged user so I can speed things up. |
| 16:18.25 | mtn | mandeep_: only one way to find out. what are you worried about? video? wifi? |
| 16:18.33 | mandeep_ | mtn: ethernet |
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| 16:18.52 | mtn | mandeep_: almost always works. didn't the normal live disk work? |
| 16:18.57 | mandeep_ | mtn: no |
| 16:19.09 | jelly | tharkun: sudo privileges on "mount /var/lib/yourapp/tmp" ? |
| 16:19.12 | mandeep_ | mtn: it gave an error regarding the realtek ethernet |
| 16:19.28 | mtn | mandeep_: ok. download the non-free netinstall and test. it will check your net connection right away, so no harm will come of it. |
| 16:19.37 | mandeep_ | mtn: alright thanks |
| 16:19.47 | tharkun | jelly: good Idea thanks :) |
| 16:20.03 | jnoah | for stretch, will debian have firfox 52? |
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| 16:21.03 | jelly | tharkun: but if you have root access at install time, you could just make a fstab entry and make it a permanent mount point |
| 16:21.23 | jelly | jnoah: if that's the next ESR, then most likely yes |
| 16:22.58 | jelly | jnoah: jessie will soon have 52esr too, probably, not much life left for 45esr https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/ |
| 16:24.20 | tharkun | jelly: Thanks that is a better Idea. |
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| 16:25.48 | jelly | tharkun: I'd probably ask in #systemd if they invented some newfangled way to magically bring up a custom tmpfs on start of a service and destory it on shut down |
| 16:26.06 | compass_ | wistron_btns module was causing shutdown hang so blacklisted it and shutdown/reboot works without a hitch |
| 16:26.09 | jelly | sounds halfway useful |
| 16:26.19 | jelly | !win compass_ |
| 16:26.19 | dpkg | Congratulations, compass_! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
| 16:26.36 | compass_ | lol :D |
| 16:26.59 | compass_ | so all 3 issues sorted today, both cores now being used, wifi no longer hard blocked and shutdown works |
| 16:27.01 | compass_ | thanks guys! |
| 16:27.12 | petn-randall | compass_: yay \o/ |
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| 16:27.25 | compass_ | cheers petn-randall |
| 16:27.44 | BluesKaj | another satisfied customer :-) |
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| 16:30.32 | teraflops | !next |
| 16:30.32 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 16:30.42 | compass_ | still here ;) |
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| 16:30.50 | teraflops | !prev |
| 16:30.55 | compass_ | haha |
| 16:31.01 | jelly | compass_: now file an installation report with all the workarounds! |
| 16:31.14 | compass_ | sure, where do i start |
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| 16:32.10 | jelly | !install report |
| 16:32.10 | dpkg | somebody said installation report was http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#submit-bug |
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| 16:34.00 | jelly | compass_: or maybe a https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/ article |
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| 16:36.07 | unborn | !releases |
| 16:36.07 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases for prior releases. Ask me about <stable>, <testing>, <unstable> and <introduction>. |
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| 16:37.39 | unborn | actually, been testing stretch on my spare machine and I love it, past 4 days I did not had any issues or crashes.. is it safe to use it as main os laptop/desktop - i know it was not yet released, just asking those who know.. |
| 16:37.41 | unborn | thanks |
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| 16:38.40 | jelly | if it breaks tomorrow or a week from now, don't complain too much |
| 16:38.42 | tw | As long as you have another machine to actually do work on if something breaks... |
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| 16:39.07 | unborn | thanks guys |
| 16:39.32 | unborn | will waits and continues to testing on spare machine for now |
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| 16:42.38 | BluesKaj | unborn, been on stretch for week, no problems , but my setup is for a home user , no PIM apps ot email databases required etc |
| 16:42.51 | jhutchins_wk | latest Pavillion install report (see above) is 2015. |
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| 16:43.33 | BluesKaj | BBL |
| 16:44.14 | jhutchins_wk | tw: You can also multi-boot with Stable for fallback. |
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| 16:44.41 | jhutchins_wk | tw: Nice thing about that is you can fix/update in chroot. |
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| 16:44.57 | tomg2 | people use testing/stretch as their main machine all the time, probably since testing started its existence in 2000 or so |
| 16:45.15 | tomg2 | Debian testing is probably better than anything else "release" ;) |
| 16:45.31 | tomg2 | well, except maybe Linux Mind Debian Edition 2. LMDE is pretty good |
| 16:45.35 | unborn | BluesKaj: I run everything virtually (dev works etc) except git.. currently its my 5th day on stretch on that testing machine and hopefully it will not break for any reason, if not within a month I may switch earlier. I was just asking here as I know some folks love it as well. but as jelly and tw noted out here, I would rather wait a bit.. |
| 16:45.35 | tomg2 | Mint. |
| 16:46.30 | jhutchins_wk | I've seen testing have some major breakage in freeze. That's when they address major problems and take the time to get the fix right instead of just bandaiding it. |
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| 16:46.59 | tomg2 | so noted. |
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| 16:47.19 | jelly | and testing right after a release is a very interesting place to be |
| 16:47.45 | jhutchins_wk | As long as you have a way to snapshot the machine before each upgrade you can keep it working. |
| 16:47.51 | petn-randall | !debian weather |
| 16:47.51 | dpkg | https://qa.debian.org/dose/ |
| 16:48.20 | petn-randall | A few clicks down you have nice weather icons to see how uninstallable testing currently is. Hint: After releases it can get pretty rough. |
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| 16:50.02 | jhutchins_wk | petn-randall: Nice. |
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| 16:50.40 | unborn | tomg2: you should try debian it self. I stopped using lmde back in 2009? it was jack shit back days not because of de or because it was build on ubuntu base but coz it suxs a very badly. many devs left since then. |
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| 16:51.29 | tomg2 | I'm using testing now |
| 16:53.56 | unborn | *and clem is evil ;) |
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| 16:59.14 | compass_ | jelly dpkg - wouldn't let me start a wiki page with my email address so i sent the report to wiki@debian.org and let them know. hopefully they'll post it |
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| 17:00.21 | jelly | last time I tried to get a password reset for that wiki I got a 500 internal error, and a bug report filed a year ago with same issue |
| 17:01.45 | compass_ | jeez |
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| 17:25.01 | tomg2 | clem's nice though :o |
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| 17:25.09 | tomg2 | nevermind |
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| 17:26.24 | jhutchins_wk | That probably explains why the reports are generally pretty old. |
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| 17:49.45 | rb__ | hi |
| 17:51.08 | rb__ | i wanna try i3. How to deactivate openbox? I started a tty and wrote i3. It comes a error -> cannot start display. Can u help me? |
| 17:51.25 | rb__ | an error |
| 17:53.08 | greycat | rb__: if you mean system-wide default, update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 17:54.03 | rb__ | greycat, i type that in a terminal and logout, right? |
| 17:54.29 | n4dir | another option is to create ~/.xinitrc, add "exec i3", then run startx |
| 17:54.32 | greycat | As root, so su or sudo as needed. |
| 17:54.38 | rb__ | ok |
| 17:54.45 | greycat | n4dir: use ~/.xsession not ~/.xinitrc |
| 17:54.45 | jelly | type that in terminal, then start X in whatever way you usually start X |
| 17:54.50 | n4dir | assuming "i3" is the command to start i3, to be found in /usr/bin/*i3* |
| 17:54.58 | n4dir | greycat: okay. |
| 17:55.01 | stoned | what's the diff in .xsessionrc and .xinitrc? |
| 17:55.15 | jelly | ~/.xsession does not seem to have "rc" |
| 17:55.20 | greycat | .xinitrc ONLY works with startx, not with the Debian X session (e.g. xdm lightdm) |
| 17:55.25 | n4dir | ah. |
| 17:55.52 | n4dir | well: at least i said: "another option" (as i knew there are several) |
| 17:55.59 | rb__ | ok, thank you very much for help, i go to try it. |
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| 17:56.06 | greycat | .xsessionrc is completely different. Its purpose is to allow you to set environment variables without having to write a whole .xsession, or when you are using gdm which doesn't necessarily read .xsession |
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| 17:56.36 | stoned | im slightly confusex |
| 17:56.59 | greycat | Thanks, GNOME! |
| 17:57.01 | stoned | https://paste.debian.net/ <- I run everything using this file |
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| 17:57.13 | stoned | I also use KDM + Xmonad session |
| 17:57.21 | stoned | so .xsessionrc I guess |
| 17:57.42 | stoned | I didn't know .xinitrc and the just .xsession |
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| 17:58.03 | jhutchins_wk | You should also be able to choose i3 from the greeter/login screen. |
| 17:58.27 | greycat | If you specify a window manager command in your start-up, with or without exec, then you want to use ~/.xsession NOT ~/.xsessionrc |
| 17:58.43 | jelly | reads Xsession(5) and gets even more confused |
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| 17:58.53 | teraflops | gdm sources .xprofile, also gdm is not a login shell |
| 17:58.54 | jhutchins_wk | stoned: You realize you posted a link to the blank site? |
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| 17:59.23 | jhutchins_wk | stoned: No paste. |
| 17:59.29 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: he scrapes ALL the pastes there and runs them. |
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| 18:00.09 | stoned | Oh |
| 18:00.11 | stoned | Haha. |
| 18:00.15 | stoned | Seriously? |
| 18:00.21 | jelly | obviously |
| 18:00.23 | stoned | https://paste.debian.net/918803/ |
| 18:00.25 | stoned | OMG. |
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| 18:01.04 | jelly | that reminds me of 1996 and fvwm |
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| 18:01.35 | stoned | http://sprunge.us/LPhV full file didn't get on debien.net |
| 18:02.03 | stoned | just background, system tray, xmonad and urxvt. life is good |
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| 18:02.39 | greycat | what's wrong with fvwm? |
| 18:03.05 | rb___ | It dont works. I activared i3 and reboot the system. But it comes openbox. When I type i3 in terminal, it says that another manager is running (x error 10) |
| 18:03.19 | stoned | set alternative dude |
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| 18:03.31 | greycat | rb___: ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-*-manager |
| 18:03.33 | stoned | sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 18:04.08 | rb___ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Mär 5 15:54 /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager -> /usr/bin/openbox-session |
| 18:04.08 | rb___ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Mär 8 18:58 /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager -> /usr/bin/i3 |
| 18:04.20 | rb___ | stoned, i have do that |
| 18:04.23 | stoned | rb___: tip: next time run it with --replace and it won't give message error |
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| 18:04.29 | stoned | like i3 --replace |
| 18:04.33 | greycat | doesn't know what a "x-session-manager" is exactly |
| 18:04.35 | stoned | or any windowmangername --replace |
| 18:04.45 | stoned | greycat: display manager |
| 18:04.49 | stoned | kdm type stuff |
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| 18:05.02 | teraflops | stoned: I rewrote all my dzen2 status bars (xmonad) from "while:; ⦠sleep" to inotify-wait. now I idle at 0/1%, before I was idling at ~3% CPU |
| 18:05.03 | greycat | openbox-session is a display managers? |
| 18:05.32 | stoned | isn't that what manges the sessions? |
| 18:05.32 | n4dir | go on, friends, and in 3 minutes i will feel stoned too .... |
| 18:05.37 | stoned | (they show up inside it, the list) |
| 18:05.42 | jelly | logic suggests a session manager would be the thing exec'd at the end and what keeps the session alive |
| 18:06.05 | greycat | Shit's too confusing for me. There are too many different possible things. |
| 18:06.16 | stoned | teraflops: plese share |
| 18:06.17 | jelly | and in case of a DE, spawning all or most the other stuff |
| 18:07.18 | teraflops | stoned: it depends on what you do, but the idea is https://gist.github.com/Earnestly/6ff1fa506d58f5a2a6f611f76e5f80b4 |
| 18:07.49 | rb___ | brb |
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| 18:10.36 | teraflops | stoned: more detailed example (for i3) http://ix.io/oP5 |
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| 18:15.16 | tjt263 | hey, how can i have my terminal sessions persist through reboots, or at least be recoverable (like web browser tabs) |
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| 18:15.45 | jhutchins_wk | tjt263: screen or tmux |
| 18:16.02 | johnkeates | or disown and retty |
| 18:16.03 | tjt263 | that wont survive a reboot |
| 18:16.14 | johnkeates | i3 |
| 18:16.18 | jhutchins_wk | tjt263: Actually, they won't persist through reboots, just logouts. |
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| 18:16.30 | johnkeates | try not rebooting |
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| 18:16.52 | tjt263 | ..its not an option |
| 18:16.56 | jhutchins_wk | tjt263: About the only thing you can do is write a script. I think you can have tmux execute certain configurations at startup. |
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| 18:17.30 | jhutchins_wk | tjt263: You can also script screen. |
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| 18:18.20 | johnkeates | you can't persist what you won't define, so you'd need to have a program where you define what you want and then it can persist it for you |
| 18:18.29 | johnkeates | like a window manager or terminal manager |
| 18:18.30 | tomg2 | the x-session-manager is sort of the superset of a x-window-manager. it can launch a whole bunch of things, including a window manager. examples include icewm-session, openbox-session, startkde, gnome, mate, cinnamon |
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| 18:18.49 | tomg2 | not sure what to do if you have a session manager installed but don't want to use it |
| 18:19.03 | greycat | tomg2: yeah, that was what stopped me. |
| 18:19.36 | greycat | For myself, I would just create a ~/.xsession to override them both, but I don't know what the "newbie answer" is. |
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| 18:21.20 | tjt263 | i just want to be able to reboot and have my terminal tabs still open like i can on a macbook |
| 18:21.30 | tjt263 | i thought debian would have something like that |
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| 18:23.48 | teraflops | tjt263: use tmux? |
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| 18:23.59 | teraflops | ah locally nvm |
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| 18:25.05 | tjt263 | i do use it |
| 18:25.09 | tjt263 | cheers |
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| 18:36.12 | Digz | I'm trying to decide on a web based ftp server or file sharing system that I can put in a VM with 500 GB on it so I can put some files on it, and tell people on facebook to come and get it, whatever.... mostly videos, pictures, and MP3 recordings. I'm not limited to debian, but its my fav distro.... could be freenas which is bsd, could be something else.... i'm considering purchasing a home user licence of crush ftp for $40, but just wondering what else is |
| 18:36.12 | Digz | out there. |
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| 18:37.50 | greycat | Why would you want FTP? Why not just set up a simple static web server? |
| 18:38.01 | tomg2 | greycat, thanks for the summary on .xsession files |
| 18:38.16 | tomg2 | someone (a nice person) gave me a summary here a long time ago, but I didn't write it down |
| 18:39.43 | Digz | greycat, that would be the easiest, but I want a little more control on username/password access, bandwidth throttlng for upload, that sort of thing... |
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| 18:40.42 | Digz | greycat, and I want some folks to be able to PUT files there easily too, tech-illiterate users that know how to use a webbrowser.... |
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| 18:41.52 | edi | Digz, i would advice to go for filesharing, like nextcloud or similar |
| 18:42.02 | edi | ftp is useless imho |
| 18:42.23 | edi | colabora has a nice demo on libreoffice integrated with nextcloud |
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| 18:42.29 | edi | maybe over the top for your setup |
| 18:42.39 | edi | but the nextcloud thing seems allright |
| 18:42.46 | teraflops | !ftpmustdie |
| 18:42.47 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 18:42.47 | edi | maybe a lil more investment for setup |
| 18:42.55 | nikitasius | FTP if |
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| 18:43.05 | nikitasius | FTP bad beause its plain text as is |
| 18:43.06 | edi | but so much more fun after :) |
| 18:43.09 | nikitasius | *because |
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| 18:43.16 | edi | haha why not SFTP :p |
| 18:43.31 | Digz | basically I am looking to build a server where if my mother wants to upload pictures, she can just click "browse" and upload.... and she can just click to select the pics and videos she wants to download. (background: I live in the US. My parents in Netherlands. Other family in Canada. And although we all have facebook, I want to build a file repository that doesn't require people to put dropbox clients on their systems or whatever...) |
| 18:43.32 | edi | and when the connection flaps |
| 18:43.42 | edi | you can start ftp'ing all over again |
| 18:43.51 | Digz | edi, i'll check out nextcloud |
| 18:44.00 | edi | https://nextcloud.com/ |
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| 18:44.07 | edi | not affiliated, but I was impressed ;-) |
| 18:44.08 | nikitasius | Digz: you want a public file sharing system? with accounts? |
| 18:44.53 | teraflops | Digz: idk if nextcloud is as shitty as owncloud was, seafile is another choice |
| 18:44.55 | Digz | nikitasius, in a nutshell, yes.... I have been looking at freenas, openmediavault, crushftp, owncloud.... |
| 18:45.06 | nikitasius | well, if you want to create a nice public sharing system with public and private links, look on nginx with fileupload module and lua. |
| 18:45.18 | edi | nikitasius, cool tip! |
| 18:45.19 | Digz | teraflops, yeah I didn't like owncloud that much so I removed it |
| 18:45.21 | nikitasius | it will work via http/https and via webdav too (via http/https) too |
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| 18:45.39 | nikitasius | cause nginx know webdav (with module from github) |
| 18:45.48 | Digz | nikitasius, thanks for the tip, will check it out. |
| 18:45.54 | Klaus_Dieter | digz syncthing is really nice. it requires a client application though. it works fine on my android phone as well |
| 18:46.15 | Digz | whats your opinion of crushftp? (besides that is isn't open source and a home license is $40) |
| 18:46.22 | teraflops | seafile has clients for android/linux/win and web too |
| 18:46.22 | nikitasius | you're welcome. It will use less resources as possible (nginx + upload from the box + lua inside nginx). |
| 18:46.35 | greycat | I am instantly biased against "crushftp" because it has ftp in the name. |
| 18:46.36 | nikitasius | Digz: why you should to pay for FTP Oo |
| 18:46.38 | Digz | seafile, also added to the checkout list :) |
| 18:46.49 | nikitasius | there are many opensource ftp servers |
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| 18:47.05 | teraflops | Digz: just try as much as you can so you make a real idea |
| 18:47.33 | Klaus_Dieter | I used owncloud, it was a pita. seafile is better but still not great. |
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| 18:47.47 | Digz | nikitasius, its not just ftp, its the whole web based services that they put behind it that is intriguing. I'm not a "MUST be FREE" kind of guy, if it is a good product and has a reasonable price, I'm willing to pay. |
| 18:47.49 | teraflops | I used to like seafile time ago it performed pretty well |
| 18:48.06 | teraflops | s/like/use |
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| 18:48.29 | nikitasius | Digz: you're here to made an ads for this product?) |
| 18:48.40 | Klaus_Dieter | i have found syncthing to be the beat of the three in terms of reliabiliy and usage on multiole olatforms |
| 18:48.45 | nikitasius | what can be behing ftp?) logs - awstats. ssl? sasl module. |
| 18:48.47 | Digz | nikitasius, no I am asking for opinions on it. |
| 18:49.04 | edi | got o the colabora site, you can sign up for demo, three fileservces at once |
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| 18:49.09 | nikitasius | Digz: i run opensource free soft on my debian. You're on debian channel. |
| 18:49.13 | greycat | nikitasius: he mentioned bandwidth throttling of some kind. |
| 18:49.15 | edi | check it out w outh installing |
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| 18:49.33 | nikitasius | greycat: you can limit speed via iptables if i remember well |
| 18:49.46 | Digz | nikitasius, oh does that mean that asking an opinion on a product that runs on debian that happens to be a paid product is absolutely forbidden and against the rules? |
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| 18:49.54 | nikitasius | if you use system accounts you can use system Ids in iptable rules |
| 18:50.51 | nikitasius | Digz: just explaint please what this product can do special (what inpossible on vsftp/prosftp/other_ftpd) with awstats, sasl, openssl and iptables. |
| 18:50.56 | nikitasius | *explain |
| 18:51.26 | edi | Digz, and why not peer to peer distributed storage, all members just have an extra "drive" ? |
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| 18:51.33 | edi | no central server needed |
| 18:51.34 | Digz | nikitasius, I don't know!! I am throwing it out there as one of the options, and asking for opinions, and you are going gungho on me like: its not free, wtf are you doing here? |
| 18:51.49 | nikitasius | Digz: lets google together so :) |
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| 18:53.00 | somiaj | Digz: #debian just doesn't really support third party products. If someone is familar with it they can help, though mostly the support that is given is more generic how to install third party stuff on debian in a nice way, not how to get it to actually work. |
| 18:54.14 | somiaj | many who use debian try to stick to only the 'free' or DFSG approved software, though debian provides contrib and non-free of some software when the licenses dno't meet the DFSG guidelines. |
| 18:54.39 | somiaj | but this is why debian has main, contrib and non-free to distnighish the differences between the liceneses and useage of the products. |
| 18:55.04 | Digz | somiaj, got ya. I probably won't have any problems installing it or compiling anything, just wanted some opinions on different products to accomplish what I need.... but it seems that free products are ok to discuss, but some people seem to get a little touchy feely when asking about a paid product..... but I will remember that from now on. |
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| 18:57.10 | somiaj | Digz: Most #debian supports the software that is in debian (being free or non-free). Third party software gets discussed, but depending on the software you may or may not run across someone who has used it. And yes many prefer to push the opensource software or DFSG software. |
| 18:57.42 | somiaj | but there is nothing wrong with talking about it, just don't expect much support (or even much discussion) depending on the software. |
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| 18:58.06 | Digz | somiaj, I understand! I rather have free as well.... but this particular product seemed to offer a lot of features so I was just wondering if anyone had used it. |
| 18:58.25 | nikitasius | if we want to speak about ftp, best commercial on $windows was Gene6 7-8 years ago. |
| 18:58.35 | somiaj | No problem with asking, you just may not get much of a response. |
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| 18:58.59 | somiaj | and yea, I would avoid ftp if you can, since sftp is included with ssh and sftp clients are easy to get ahold of. |
| 19:00.14 | TechSmurf | Digz: I use OMV in a production environment to great effect, but on its own I don't think it accomplishes what you're seeking without using owncloud or such on top of it. |
| 19:00.30 | Digz | it was the web based features (browse, click, upload from a webbrowser) that appealed to me. I am setting up a file repository that monkey users have to be able to use as well... I prefer it to run on a debian linux server. |
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| 19:01.20 | teraflops | nextcloud/seafile look like that |
| 19:01.41 | Digz | and yeah I would use secure and get a ssl cert for it... I will check out seafile, it looks promising |
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| 19:02.01 | teraflops | Digz: you can with both of them |
| 19:02.18 | Digz | teraflops, thanks, will check them out :) |
| 19:02.40 | TechSmurf | OMV runs on top of debian, though. FreeNAS/NAS4Free are BSD |
| 19:02.52 | Digz | yeah |
| 19:02.58 | TechSmurf | Don't even look at OpenFiler. |
| 19:03.04 | TechSmurf | shudders |
| 19:04.21 | TechSmurf | You could do samba over vpn? |
| 19:04.30 | johnkeates | yes |
| 19:04.40 | johnkeates | BSD is cool, so is debian |
| 19:04.43 | johnkeates | windows is not cool |
| 19:04.48 | johnkeates | osx is somewhere in between |
| 19:04.50 | teraflops | TechSmurf: you mean for outside the lan? |
| 19:05.06 | nikitasius | bsd nice but a wheel rolled on me.. so i can't play in bsd :| |
| 19:05.10 | TechSmurf | He's talking about sharing this stuff with internationally located family. |
| 19:05.12 | nikitasius | tried on 7 long time ago |
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| 19:07.11 | teraflops | TechSmurf: yeah openvpn/tinc is mandatory there :P |
| 19:08.31 | TechSmurf | goes back to figuring out pretty ways to implement lio in omv |
| 19:09.07 | TechSmurf | How's wheezy's lio support? |
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| 19:12.16 | Digz | teraflops, I'm impressed with seafile based on the demo, I am installing that first - thanks! |
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| 19:16.54 | jhutchins_wk | Digz: I haven't read the whole scrollback, but are you dealing with just pictures? |
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| 19:17.08 | jhutchins_wk | Digz: You could set up a web server with something like phpgallery. |
| 19:17.28 | jhutchins_wk | Digz: If you need more document types, go with a full LAMP CMS like WordPress or Drupal. |
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| 19:18.16 | Digz | jhutchins_wk, videos, audio recordings, possibly other files like word/excel and whatnot. Maybe even some executables and zip files, it will be a family file repository. Since I now have 1 Gbps upload it wouldn't be a big deal for me to host it. |
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| 19:19.52 | jhutchins_wk | Digz: I'd go with a LAMP CMS. |
| 19:20.06 | jhutchins_wk | Digz: You can even make it pretty! |
| 19:20.25 | jhutchins_wk | Digz: Google Fiber? |
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| 19:22.22 | nikitasius | for family only i use nginx+https+webdav. |
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| 19:29.54 | Digz | jhutchins_wk, AT&T Fiber (was Gigapower). |
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| 19:40.35 | nikitasius | Digz: lucky 1Gbit :) |
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| 19:43.28 | Digz | nikitasius, i'm still amazed on how fast it is. 1ms ping to speedtest.net and 2ms to the nearest 8.8.8.8 cache server.... :D |
| 19:43.38 | state | Hey, how much hard drive space do I need for debian sid? I had jessie 8.7 and then upgraded to sid and got the message that I did not have enough hard drive space. What is needed? |
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| 19:44.31 | state | For my / folder I had 18 gigs for stable, which was more than enough |
| 19:44.47 | state | And I have about 16 gigs o ram |
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| 19:45.49 | Digz | state, I typically deploy my debian VM's on 20 GB, but I do often add second partitions for data where needed. If I am on bare metal I use whatever disk space the box has got. :P |
| 19:46.02 | nikitasius | Digz: if one day i'll get optic, i'll buy 2nd optic (from another provider) and install my own server. |
| 19:46.25 | nikitasius | stoned: debian.. just debian-only? |
| 19:46.52 | nikitasius | ahh sorry read - upgrde. idk so |
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| 19:47.15 | Digz | nikitasius, what I host isn't mission critical enough to warrant 2 providers at my home.... 1x 1 Gbit/s is more than enough. If I ever need to host something that is absolutely mission critical and can't go down, i'll just shove a pizzabox in a data center. |
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| 19:48.14 | state | Digz, Is this enough for sid? |
| 19:48.37 | nikitasius | Digz: i guess 2xGbit at home will cost cheaper than in dc :) |
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| 19:48.45 | Digz | state, when upgrading, it really depends on all the stuff you have installed and are using. |
| 19:49.27 | TechSmurf | state: if you're doing a dist-upgrade to sid, perhaps the number of packages it needs to download in one shot is the problem |
| 19:49.37 | state | well, I install A LOT of stuff. But since my upgrade FAILED, I have to start from scratch. You think it will be easier now? |
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| 19:51.23 | TechSmurf | state: In a limited drivespace environment, I'd usually switch over my sources.list to the new dist and then perform a series of rejecting apt-get upgrades and then apt-get installing a few lines worth of packages, with apt-get cleans between |
| 19:52.01 | TechSmurf | Your "failed" install may not even be all that failed. |
| 19:52.09 | state | TechSmurf, you mean 'apt-get autoremove'? |
| 19:52.10 | Digz | nikitasius, you'd be amazed.... you can host your own hardware for as little as $60 a month or so, and then you aren't paying for the power either, and those datacenters have diesel generators. Like I said, I don't host anything that is mission critical. If it is mission critical, it belongs in a data center anyways.... You should also remember that residential fiber and cable paths run the same routes.... the main road near your house likely has your |
| 19:52.11 | Digz | telco AND your cable AND other providers on it, so if a drunk idiot runs his truck in a pole you're down on all providers. Datacenters are typically setup in locations where they can have lines coming out on physically different locations in the building, going in different directions. |
| 19:52.18 | TechSmurf | state: no, I mean clean |
| 19:52.28 | TechSmurf | state: apt-get clean deletes downloaded .debs |
| 19:52.29 | state | TechSmurf, What is the command exactly? |
| 19:52.32 | phogg | state: why run sid? |
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| 19:52.44 | state | phogg, multimedia |
| 19:52.50 | state | phogg, production |
| 19:53.02 | phogg | state: sounds like playing with fire to me |
| 19:53.09 | TechSmurf | state: apt-get keeps all the debs it downloads, can seriously clog a small drive |
| 19:53.37 | state | 'apt-get clean', okay, i will try that |
| 19:53.50 | TechSmurf | state: for a full dist-upgrade to sid, it probably tried to download *gigs* of packages at once |
| 19:54.02 | state | TechSmurf, Yep, it sure did |
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| 19:54.11 | TechSmurf | Your "failed" upgrade may well just be that it ran out of space downloading the packages and never even started trying to install them |
| 19:55.31 | state | phogg, The multimedia packages like calf-audio-plugins are ancient in stable, hence the need to move to sid. There are a lot of bugs in the older version of calf |
| 19:55.53 | TechSmurf | Next step, apt-get upgrade, see how much it wants to download, if it's excessive, hit N to reject it, and apt-get install some of the packages from the list of what apt-get upgrade wanted to do, accepting any dependencies it tosses at you, and again checking to ensure the download isn't excessive |
| 19:55.58 | somiaj | or look into backports. |
| 19:56.04 | phogg | state: I'm still not following. You need newer packages, not "upgrading to sid." Just backport. |
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| 19:56.30 | curiousx | Hi there |
| 19:56.33 | greycat | Why would you jump all the way to sid instead of just going to stretch? |
| 19:56.34 | phogg | I don't think anyone should dist-upgrade to sid. |
| 19:56.46 | state | phogg, There are also a lot of attendant libraries that come with newer packages |
| 19:57.37 | state | calf is one example, I also use blender, darktable, ardour, lv2 plugins |
| 19:57.37 | greycat | Also, I hate it when children call things that are more than 1 year old "ancient". |
| 19:57.41 | phogg | state: It's your time and effort |
| 19:57.43 | phogg | shrugs |
| 19:57.57 | state | greycat, 2014 is older than one year, daddy |
| 19:58.21 | state | (calf plugins in stable) |
| 19:58.37 | TechSmurf | Most of debian stable has a nasty habit of being ancient.. but that kinda is what makes it stable ;) |
| 19:58.39 | greycat | Gasp. It's TWO WHOLE YEARS old. |
| 19:58.46 | greycat | You poor little thing, oh the pain. |
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| 19:58.58 | state | greycat, We are in 2017 |
| 19:59.05 | nikitasius | TechSmurf: anyway people can change to unstable and install what they need.. usually without killing a system :) |
| 19:59.06 | greycat | Very early part of 2017. |
| 19:59.32 | nikitasius | like pam_mysql with sha1 support in :) |
| 19:59.46 | TechSmurf | state: nikitasius brings up a good point... forget dist-upgrading to sid, just try installing the packages you need and their deps :P |
| 19:59.59 | nikitasius | TechSmurf: thats how i do, usually :) |
| 20:00.05 | greycat | But, once again, if you want to run a newer release than jessie, go to stretch. Not unstable. |
| 20:00.14 | somiaj | it is not suggested nor supported here to mix stable and sid. |
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| 20:00.20 | Dice-Man | another question at boot i have a start job is running for LSB : raise Network interfaces |
| 20:00.24 | nikitasius | safe-upgrade packets and someimes i uncomment unstable and install something specific |
| 20:00.38 | state | TechSmurf, So there is a twilight zone between stable and sid? |
| 20:00.41 | Dice-Man | i've tried to comment out the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 20:00.48 | TechSmurf | state: yes. testing |
| 20:00.48 | somiaj | nikitasius: you shouldn't install testing/unstable packages in stable. Also please don't suggest this to new users. |
| 20:00.48 | phogg | I recommend against running sid. If you're going to do it you get to keep both pieces when it breaks. It's your choice if you want to deal with that. |
| 20:00.49 | state | called 'stretch'? |
| 20:01.08 | TechSmurf | state: testing is currently stretch, which will one day be the next stable release |
| 20:01.08 | state | The ground between light and shadow? |
| 20:01.08 | greycat | !stretch |
| 20:01.10 | dpkg | The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch |
| 20:01.12 | somiaj | Dice-Man: that service will still run even without the interfaces file. |
| 20:01.23 | Dice-Man | i even tried to configure things with systemd |
| 20:01.35 | Dice-Man | but i always i have the same message |
| 20:02.01 | phogg | state: stable, backports, testing. In that order. Use sid when you want to help develop Debian, not when you want new stuff. |
| 20:02.12 | Dice-Man | is there any good procedure to take things back to a "normal situation" |
| 20:02.20 | Dice-Man | oh maybe it's another problem |
| 20:02.34 | Dice-Man | i've my interface eth0-avahi daemon |
| 20:02.40 | TechSmurf | state: debian development starts with sid, where broken things and *really* frequent changes are to be expected. Next is testing, where major changes stop and bugfixing begins, until the bugfixing reaches a point where it seems good enough to be called "stable", and a new testing is created |
| 20:02.46 | Dice-Man | i don't know what should i do ? |
| 20:03.06 | TechSmurf | roughly, anyway |
| 20:03.23 | state | Let me go check my debian to see if it can be rescued |
| 20:03.39 | Dice-Man | when i enter the command ifconfig eth0 is appended with avahi |
| 20:03.47 | nikitasius | somiaj: i need pam_mysql with sha1.. |
| 20:03.49 | Dice-Man | and the routes are messed up |
| 20:03.54 | nikitasius | there is no pam_mysql with sha1 |
| 20:04.02 | nikitasius | oldest had md5 only |
| 20:04.43 | somiaj | nikitasius: sure, and you can comple/make backports etc stuff that is not in stable, but in terms of general suggestions, don't max stable + testing/unstable. |
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| 20:06.13 | Dice-Man | somiaj: i think there are differents problems which occured but i cannot figure out how things work |
| 20:06.19 | nikitasius | somiaj: here is sources.list from server https://gist.github.com/nikitasius/c642a4947fd19837bf5e0c20bc4a32e8 and pam_mysql with sha1 only in ustable |
| 20:06.24 | nikitasius | or on github |
| 20:06.25 | jhutchins_wk | Dice-Man: Yes, there's a procedure to "return to normal". It's called a "clean install". |
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| 20:06.45 | Dice-Man | jhutchins_wk: it is a clean install |
| 20:06.49 | Dice-Man | that's the problem |
| 20:07.11 | somiaj | nikitasius: and as I said this is not something that should be suggested here and in general a bad way to do things. Make a backport. |
| 20:07.19 | curiousx | Can't access my VPS cuz i settled up a firewall, iptables firewall following this: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html#s-firewall-setup |
| 20:07.23 | curiousx | pls helo :p |
| 20:07.30 | nikitasius | somiaj: im agree. but sometimes it's important :) |
| 20:07.32 | somiaj | nikitasius: note it is your server and feel free to admin it the way you want, we don't support mixing here and this shouldn't be a suggestion. |
| 20:07.34 | Dice-Man | i searched up the bug reports i want to upgrade ifup |
| 20:08.12 | somiaj | Dice-Man: why do you want to upgrade ifupdown, what is the actual issue you are having? |
| 20:08.25 | jhutchins_wk | Dice-Man: So from what I read here, your 'problem' is that you see the LSB Network job at startup. |
| 20:08.33 | Dice-Man | yes exact |
| 20:08.35 | Dice-Man | and |
| 20:08.36 | nikitasius | somiaj: sure, vanilla debian ftw. But there are nice packets what should be included and.. still unstable |
| 20:08.43 | jhutchins_wk | Dice-Man: Other thing sound like they happened when you tried to 'fix" that. |
| 20:08.44 | somiaj | nikitasius: so make a backport. |
| 20:08.51 | curiousx | I can access into a "recovery mode" tho, how can i stop the iptables module from loading up at boot time ? |
| 20:09.01 | jhutchins_wk | Dice-Man: If you want networking when your system starts that job is going to run. |
| 20:09.03 | Dice-Man | my interface eth0 has another name eth0-avahi |
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| 20:09.16 | jhutchins_wk | Dice-Man: Why does that matter? |
| 20:09.42 | Dice-Man | because it messes routes i want configure the network with dhcp |
| 20:10.16 | jhutchins_wk | You can call your interface fred if you want |
| 20:10.20 | nikitasius | somiaj: 0.7~RC1-4+b3 -> Mon, 09 Jan 2006 "pam-mysql 0.7RC1 is released." holy shit! |
| 20:10.21 | Dice-Man | but when i configure the /etc/network/interfaces it doesn't save the parameters |
| 20:10.35 | Dice-Man | at reboot everything is messed up |
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| 20:10.38 | jhutchins_wk | Dice-Man: What release is this? |
| 20:10.42 | Dice-Man | jessie |
| 20:10.54 | nikitasius | libpam-mysql stable: http://pam-mysql.sourceforge.net/ // unstable -> https://github.com/NigelCunningham/pam-MySQL |
| 20:10.57 | Dice-Man | i installed it from the livecd |
| 20:11.05 | Dice-Man | it's inside a virtualbox machine |
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| 20:11.08 | TechSmurf | nikitasius: is that from jessie? |
| 20:11.12 | nikitasius | yes jessie |
| 20:11.17 | TechSmurf | facepalms |
| 20:11.24 | nikitasius | 11 years ago! or 10 at least damn |
| 20:11.30 | nikitasius | stable.. -.- |
| 20:11.37 | TechSmurf | is very stable. |
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| 20:11.48 | nikitasius | yes, but no sha1. unstable work pretty nice on my mail server |
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| 20:12.40 | TechSmurf | sha1 isn't even good anymore :\ |
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| 20:14.46 | Dice-Man | another thing when i do ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 everything is back to normal |
| 20:14.49 | A|an | I'm about to install Ipython's Jupyter notebook...the installer wants to place it at /root ...I'm kinda loath to do that...is there better than /opt? |
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| 20:15.05 | greycat | /opt sounds perfect to me |
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| 20:15.35 | A|an | yeah...root kinda gives me the willys...is there an advantage to being in root for it, though |
| 20:15.45 | jhutchins_wk | Dice-Man: jessie on vbox on Windows 10 works normally here. |
| 20:15.46 | greycat | That just plain sounds *wrong*. |
| 20:15.57 | greycat | Applications should not be installed in /root |
| 20:16.07 | A|an | yeah, my thoughts |
| 20:16.11 | jhutchins_wk | Dice-Man: Do you have Network-Manager running? |
| 20:16.14 | A|an | just wanted a second opinion |
| 20:16.19 | A|an | thanks |
| 20:16.19 | Dice-Man | jhutchins_wk: yes |
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| 20:16.42 | jhutchins_wk | Dice-Man: There ya go. |
| 20:17.05 | jhutchins_wk | Dice-Man: Either configure it manually or with NM, not both. |
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| 20:18.08 | TechSmurf | A|an: perhaps it's designed to be installed in a user's home directory, with the intent of the user not having uid0? |
| 20:18.22 | greycat | Yeah, that's what I was thinking also. |
| 20:18.46 | Dice-Man | jhutchins_wk: ok so i disable network manager and try with the configuration file only ? |
| 20:18.48 | A|an | ic...well, /opt it is, then...it's what I normally do, anyway |
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| 20:19.03 | jhutchins_wk | right. |
| 20:19.06 | jhutchins_wk | !networking |
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| 20:19.07 | dpkg | For basic networking, «man interfaces» and see http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . For further information, see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05 . See also <interfaces>, <wifi>, <wireless connection managers>. |
| 20:19.31 | TechSmurf | should be fine, unless it's also designed to store files in its install directory and you attempt to use it as a user lacking write access to said directory |
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| 20:20.06 | TechSmurf | hopefully it's not that silly |
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| 20:20.14 | A|an | no, I have complete access |
| 20:20.15 | greycat | Or unless it hard-codes something like reading files from $HOME/.whatever/ |
| 20:20.25 | greycat | Expecting that to be the installed application. |
| 20:21.01 | TechSmurf | Still, I've never heard of an installer thinking /root is a great target. |
| 20:21.02 | nikitasius | TechSmurf: try to connect dovecot + postfix + sasl together :) |
| 20:21.10 | TechSmurf | nikitasius: pass. |
| 20:21.14 | nikitasius | sha1 - best what they can match together |
| 20:21.18 | Dice-Man | jhutchins_wk: ok i'm rebooting but i've tried that and after reboot things are wrong |
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| 20:21.21 | Dice-Man | *before |
| 20:21.24 | Dice-Man | we'll see |
| 20:21.31 | greycat | nikitasius: best would be "just use regular system accounts", no? |
| 20:21.32 | TechSmurf | Don't even talk to me about email. I'm so so so sick of email :P |
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| 20:21.51 | nikitasius | greycat: nope, i have accounts in mysql for mails |
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| 20:22.02 | greycat | Of course you do. |
| 20:22.12 | greycat | Gotta be as hard as possible, naturally. |
| 20:22.15 | TechSmurf | I'd murder my mail server if it wasn't so darn critical |
| 20:22.41 | TechSmurf | plots its demise as soon as this new zimbra setup makes it to production |
| 20:22.43 | nikitasius | finally this guy from github saved me with his pam_mysql 0.8 |
| 20:22.50 | jhutchins_wk | Some installers will default to the current working directory. |
| 20:22.53 | Dice-Man | jhutchins_wk: it is booting i've the same message about network interfaces |
| 20:23.07 | jhutchins_wk | There's also a scheme that says install to $HOME. |
| 20:23.31 | jhutchins_wk | drush for drupal does that. |
| 20:23.47 | jhutchins_wk | That or wp-cli for wordpress (or maybe it's both). |
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| 20:24.09 | jhutchins_wk | Dice-Man: Yes, it runs the LSB job to bring up the interfaces. That's necessary. |
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| 20:25.12 | jhutchins_wk | Dice-Man: It's also one of the slowest parts of the current boot process. |
| 20:25.39 | nikitasius | TechSmurf: worst gift what i had from maildevs: dovecot changed config files |
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| 20:25.57 | nikitasius | you know when you have old good config and one day it say #%^&! |
| 20:26.08 | Dice-Man | jhutchins_wk: ok it booted the cmd ifconfig show no ip address on the eth0 interface |
| 20:26.18 | Dice-Man | and print another one etho-avahi |
| 20:26.43 | Dice-Man | i read a post where they said apt-get remove avahi but the problem wasn't solved for me |
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| 20:27.22 | Dice-Man | well eth0-avahi |
| 20:27.25 | darsie | JBidwatcher says: "You must install Oracle's Java 8 to run JBidwatcher. Download it from here: https://www.java.com/download" What do you think? |
| 20:27.29 | Dice-Man | sorry for my mistake |
| 20:27.49 | jhutchins_wk | Dice-Man: Did you read the material that dpkg linked for you earlier? |
| 20:28.05 | jhutchins_wk | !java |
| 20:28.06 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 20:34.04 | darsie | I installed openjdk-8-jre-headless icedtea-7-plugin openjdk-8-jre but JBidwatcher still tells me to install Oracle java 8. |
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| 20:36.55 | nickgaw | Hi, I have several downloads I need to download from Amazon S3 that have odd access keys in the download links and while I can download them using a browser putting all of the downloads into one shell script and putting quotes around the long urls would be best but wget does not like the long urls as changes happen is there some type of content trusting or option that lets it act like a browser? |
| 20:36.58 | darsie | I want to snipe an ebay auction and not stay up till 3:33 am or give my password to some web service. |
| 20:37.32 | somiaj | nickgaw: afiak there are some tools from amazon you cna access s3 accounts with them and not need crazy browser links |
| 20:37.58 | Dice-Man | jhutchins_wk: i've created a connection through the graphical editor it keeps stucking |
| 20:37.59 | somiaj | nickgaw: there is even s3fs so you can mount an s3 share and use rsync/cp |
| 20:38.12 | nickgaw | even programs that I buy from other users that use Amazon services I can use with them? |
| 20:38.33 | darsie | ok, I'll try the non free java ... |
| 20:38.39 | somiaj | nickgaw: I don't know what you meay programs you buy from others. |
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| 20:38.58 | somiaj | nickgaw: I'm just givving suggtions on access an s3 remote storage using more direct tools than a browser and wget |
| 20:39.13 | nickgaw | digital downloads like audio programs and windows installers that use Amazon S3 to deliver the content. |
| 20:39.50 | jhutchins_wk | Dice-Man: I'm afraid I'm not able to imagine what you're actually doing. I know my VM didn't have any problems, nor do my hardware installs. Networking in Jessie is stable and reliable and works the way you tell it to work. There are no problems detecting hardware and no uncertainties about configuration in a standard install. |
| 20:40.40 | somiaj | nickgaw: I don't know the tools that well, but the ones I'm thinknig of are for access your storage with a key, if someone has something hosted on amazon s3 to provide links to, unsure if there are tools for this as you won't have direct access to their s3 storage anyways. |
| 20:41.12 | nickgaw | What tools are they the ones that you have used? |
| 20:41.34 | jhutchins_wk | Dice-Man: I would recommend that you read the install guide, the NetworkConfiguration page, and possibly more of the manual so you'll have a better idea how to go about setting it up in an orderly and successful manner, then go back and start the installer again. |
| 20:41.43 | somiaj | what ever amazon provides, they were just tools to upload/download data directly to my s3 account. |
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| 20:42.21 | nickgaw | so you personally used S3 for storage then? |
| 20:42.56 | jhutchins_wk | darsie: openjdk-8 should be Oracle 8. |
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| 20:43.50 | darsie | jhutchins: openjdk-8-jre ? |
| 20:44.20 | somiaj | you have to get it from jessie-backports though |
| 20:44.25 | somiaj | ,v openjdk-8-jre |
| 20:44.26 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u121-b13-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 8u121-b13-3; sid: 8u121-b13-4 |
| 20:45.10 | jhutchins_wk | darsie: I wouldn't expect any of the iced tea stuff to work against a compatibility checker. |
| 20:46.56 | jhutchins_wk | darsie: I've seen java packages that required the whole JDK to be installed instead of just the JRE, but most developers know better these days. |
| 20:46.57 | somiaj | nickgaw: I don't any more, I once built a bunch of custom images for aws which I had to upload to amazon via s3 storage. So I know there are a tools that make this nice. But sounds like your use is more you are getting stuff from other s3 storage and I have no experience with the tools and doing this. |
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| 20:47.49 | nickgaw | ok I will take a look. |
| 20:47.53 | darsie | I installed openjdk-8-jre-headless and openjdk-8-jre. not sure where from. I have jessie-backports configured. |
| 20:50.00 | darsie | Now I also installed openjdk-8-jdk, which also pulled -headless. Still same message. |
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| 20:50.37 | darsie | Maybe a problem with JBidwatcher Quick Start Guide - Updated July 2, 2005 |
| 20:51.15 | darsie | Hmm ... Stable Version May 25, 2014 JBidwatcher 2.5.6; Edge Version January 13, 2016 JBidwatcher 2.99pre5 |
| 20:51.40 | darsie | I prefer esniper, but it doesn't work. |
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| 20:54.04 | TomTomTo1 | you probably need to set openjdk-8-jre to be the default jre. check java -version might need to run update-java-alternatives |
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| 20:58.44 | moldy | hi |
| 20:58.45 | moldy | https://wiki.debian.org/Postfix#Mailman_with_Postfix |
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| 20:58.54 | moldy | where exactly does the "WRONG" part start? |
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| 21:01.51 | moldy | also, can i use postfix-to-mailman.py on a domain that also has non-list addresses? |
| 21:02.17 | moldy | ah, apparently not... |
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| 21:02.47 | Iridos | maybe there's a chapter labelled "WRONG"? What are you talking about anyway |
| 21:03.16 | moldy | Iridos: " The instructions below are WRONG! ", see the link i posted |
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| 21:03.37 | Bliepo | Hello, I'm having trouble with my network card (WiFi) not being recognized. It has a BCM4366 chipset and I installed the firmware-brcm80211 from jessie-backports. But it still does not work :-( |
| 21:03.52 | moldy | but i think i get it now. postfix-to-mailman.py is recommended iff you have a dedicated domain for lists |
| 21:04.45 | Iridos | heh⦠very helpful of⦠someone⦠writing it is wrong instead of correcting it |
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| 21:05.03 | moldy | mailman is a major PITA to setup :-/ |
| 21:05.24 | Dice-Man | jhutchins_wk: ok thanks for your help |
| 21:06.00 | Iridos | at least on jessie⦠that should be /usr/lib/mailman/bin/postfix-to-mailman.py or /usr/share/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py |
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| 21:06.34 | moldy | Iridos: yeah, but it doesn't support my use-case. i need foo@example.org to be a list, but bar@example.org to be a normal user |
| 21:06.38 | Iridos | I guess that makes the comment doubly helpful |
| 21:07.02 | moldy | i am tempted to migrate my lists to google groups right now :p |
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| 21:08.11 | TomTomTo1 | Bliepo: lspci -nnk | grep -i network -A2; apt-cache policy firmware-brcm80211; uname -a to paste.debian.net please. |
| 21:08.38 | TomTomTo1 | Bliepo: also, what does modprobe -r brcmsmac ; modprobe brcmsmac say? |
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| 21:10.03 | Bliepo | TomTomTo1: https://paste.debian.net/918843/ |
| 21:10.03 | darsie | TomTomTo1: setting java-8 worked. JBitwatcher starts now but has a different issue, probably no X-server ... |
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| 21:10.19 | TomTomTo1 | darsie: yay, progress. |
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| 21:10.42 | Bliepo | TomTomTo1: modprobe -r brcmsmac ; modprobe brcmsmac says nothing |
| 21:10.47 | darsie | Now, what was that x-forwarder I used ... |
| 21:11.19 | moldy | is there an alternative to mailman that is well supported on debian and easier to setup? |
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| 21:14.12 | TomTomTo1 | Bliepo: you did not install the driver from jessie-backports. also, is the module loaded at all? lsmod | grep brcmsmac |
| 21:16.08 | Bliepo | TomTomTo1: installing from backports should work by using 'sudo apt-get install firmware-brcm80211 -t jessie-backports' right? |
| 21:16.23 | `slikts | is it true that devuan was inspired by dolan duck? |
| 21:16.33 | TomTomTo1 | Bliepo: seems like that chipset is only supported by the driver in jessie-backports. |
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| 21:16.47 | TomTomTo1 | Bliepo: you need to enable backports in your sources first. |
| 21:17.01 | TomTomTo1 | https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 21:17.02 | jhutchins_wk | moldy: As far as I know the other mailing list handlers are less reliable and harder to set up. |
| 21:17.14 | jhutchins_wk | moldy: That's why mailman is the defacto standard. |
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| 21:17.21 | moldy | jhutchins_wk: thanks for the insight |
| 21:17.46 | moldy | jhutchins_wk: i might just migrate to plain aliases and drop the self-management capability of mailman |
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| 21:18.15 | Bliepo | TomTomTo1: I did add backports, but do I need to add 'non-free' in addition to 'main'? |
| 21:18.34 | TomTomTo1 | Bliepo: ah, yes. |
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| 21:20.29 | jhutchins_wk | moldy: You might look at majordomo. |
| 21:20.39 | darsie | xpra |
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| 21:22.41 | Bliepo | TomTomTo1: still not working :'( |
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| 21:24.44 | TomTomTo1 | Bliepo: I believe you will also need the backported kernel. |
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| 21:25.07 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 21:25.31 | tobiasBora | I'm trying to increase the txpower of my wifi card (it's very difficult for me to read the wifi signal) |
| 21:25.48 | tobiasBora | but when I try it it does not work. Here is an example: https://paste.debian.net/918847/ |
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| 21:26.22 | jhutchins_wk | !bcm4366 |
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| 21:27.57 | jhutchins_wk | Bliepo: WHich kernel do you have? |
| 21:28.09 | Bliepo | 3.16 something |
| 21:28.21 | jhutchins_wk | Bliepo: uname -r - you need 4.4 or newer. |
| 21:28.42 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 21:28.43 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.13-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-2) |
| 21:29.10 | Bliepo | In progress |
| 21:30.03 | dionysus69 | weird thing is happening. I log into my system and I have alias declared in .profile but is not accessible. is acessible after I source .profile though. I had never experienced this, .profile was always sourced at system startup |
| 21:30.33 | somiaj | dionysus69: man bash, at the top notice the difference between login and non-login shells |
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| 21:30.50 | Bliepo | brb |
| 21:31.01 | greycat | dionysus69: aliases go in ~/.bashrc |
| 21:31.04 | somiaj | dionysus69: only login shells will read .profile and if you have a .bash_profile it won't read .profile, interactive shells like xterms, etc won't source .profile by default, only .bashrc |
| 21:31.11 | tobiasBora | $ sudo iwlist wlp3s0 txpower |
| 21:31.13 | tobiasBora | wlp3s0 unknown transmit-power information. |
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| 21:31.15 | tobiasBora | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.24 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Mine are in ~/.bash_aliases |
| 21:31.42 | dionysus69 | ok thanks I ll put it in .bashrc then :) my first alias xD |
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| 21:32.47 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: which works if you source that from ~/.bashrc |
| 21:33.20 | greycat | ... oh, joy, /etc/skel/.bashrc sources ~/.bash_aliases if it exists. Because we needed more confusion. Yay. |
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| 21:36.14 | mystified1234 | hey guys have an dmesg error. how to locate the hardware by port address |
| 21:36.33 | mystified1234 | PCIe Bus Error: severity=Corrected, type=Data Link Layer, id=0018(Transmitter ID) |
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| 21:36.59 | darsie | TomTomTo1: Yay, JBidwatcher is runnin on my headless server with it's display forwarded to my desktop with xpra. |
| 21:37.57 | TomTomTo1 | great ^^ |
| 21:38.39 | n4dir | i thought skel would be only a default file to offer a template when new users get created? |
| 21:39.20 | greycat | Yes. Which means 99% of the people here are using a .bashrc straight from there. |
| 21:39.21 | n4dir | as root i did adduser, then logged in as that user, and did diff ~/.bashrc /etc/skel/.bashrc |
| 21:39.28 | n4dir | ah, ok |
| 21:39.51 | n4dir | but then in the end what sources ~/.bash_aliases is ~/.bashrc, or not? |
| 21:40.03 | greycat | Correct. |
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| 21:40.29 | n4dir | okay. all those files, one sourcing the other back and forth, is giving me hard times.... (well: at least it works ) |
| 21:40.46 | greycat | That's why I was not pleased to see that the default .bashrc does that. |
| 21:41.11 | n4dir | got you now. |
| 21:42.13 | tw | and then there's --login. >.< |
| 21:43.15 | greycat | your .profile or .bash_profile should (MUST) source .bashrc so that's OK |
| 21:43.44 | greycat | The real issue comes when people think they can put things in .profile and have it work, but they login through a display manager. Oopsie. |
| 21:44.22 | tw | On a multi-shell system, .profile should probably not. |
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| 21:44.38 | greycat | On a real multi-shell system, you would probably create a .bash_profile |
| 21:44.55 | tw | Right. Does skel provide that? |
| 21:45.09 | greycat | even if it just contains test -f ~/.profile && . ~/.profile; test -f ~/.bashrc && . ~/.bashrc |
| 21:45.22 | somiaj | tw ls -a /etc/skel |
| 21:45.23 | greycat | No, nothing in /etc/skel |
| 21:46.23 | somiaj | though outside of bash (or other shells) does anything else use /etc/skel by default, seems most programs create a defuat config or use defaults if no config is found |
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| 21:47.10 | n4dir | i have seen liveCD's based on debian with quite a bit added to skel (but i sure forgot what exactly) |
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| 21:47.40 | psychoticwarrior | whats up all linux freaks |
| 21:47.49 | somiaj | n4dir: why would a livecd need stuff in /etc/skel, woudln't it already have a user created, or is that what /home/user is created from during the loading of th elive cd? |
| 21:48.00 | greycat | somiaj: in theory you could put anything you want in /etc/skel (like .muttrc), but most such applications create their own default config file, or limp along without one |
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| 21:48.38 | n4dir | somiaj: they added it *if it will be installed and then other users will be created. I think |
| 21:49.11 | somiaj | greycat: yup, it is useful espically if you want to provide defaults to new users that are different than the system, I was just courious if outside of shells any other programs prefered to ship defaults that way. |
| 21:50.07 | Bliepo | Hmmm, I'm on kernel 4.9.0.0.bpo.2-amd64 but still not working :-( |
| 21:50.08 | n4dir | i just mounted the distro i had in mind and checked /etc/skel, and there is nothing but what is in debian too. I seem to have remembered wrong. Sorry |
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| 21:52.26 | TomTomTo1 | Bliepo: what do apt-cache policy firmware-brcm80211; modprobe -r brcmsmac; modprobe brcmsmac say now? |
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| 21:53.54 | Bliepo | TomTomTo1: https://paste.debian.net/918852/ |
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| 21:54.14 | Bliepo | dmesg contains this: [ 28.799805] brcmfmac 0000:01:00.0: firmware: failed to load brcm/brcmfmac4366c-pcie.bin (-2) |
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| 21:55.12 | psychoticwarrior | how come i cant capture https traffic but i can capture plaintext in http |
| 21:55.18 | psychoticwarrior | using ettercap |
| 21:55.33 | bazhang | psychoticwarrior, whats the end goal |
| 21:55.46 | psychoticwarrior | the end goal just to capture data on my own network |
| 21:56.04 | psychoticwarrior | sometimes it works but sometimes it doesnt |
| 21:56.21 | TomTomTo1 | ,pciid 1043:86fb |
| 21:56.29 | bazhang | why do you need to do that psychoticwarrior |
| 21:56.34 | judd | [1043:86fb] is 'Unknown device' from 'ASUSTeK Computer Inc.' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1043:86fb |
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| 21:56.55 | psychoticwarrior | not sure just to learn it |
| 21:57.15 | bazhang | psychoticwarrior, is that really a debian issue |
| 21:57.24 | psychoticwarrior | no not really |
| 21:57.32 | bazhang | ##networking |
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| 21:59.23 | Bliepo | In other words: my network card is simply incompatible? |
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| 22:08.29 | psychoticwarrior | rip the network card out of the cpu and pee all over it |
| 22:10.45 | Bliepo | Actually, I still have 12 days to send it back and get my money back :P |
| 22:11.03 | Bliepo | But I found this: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=1769999#post1769999 so I'm gonna try that |
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| 22:14.33 | psychoticwarrior | yea get money back and then purchase one that is compatible with youur system |
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| 22:15.33 | bobolo | hi how can i set my squid proxy for a machine with eth0 ( connect to a router with intern. ) and a wlan0 ( used to share connex to other clients ) ? |
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| 22:24.17 | n4dir | Bliepo: did anyone strongly recommend against using wl yet? |
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| 22:28.22 | DammitJim | to be used by applications developed in house? |
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| 22:46.58 | semitones | Hey Iḿ setting up a debian-based server, and I'm interested in the sensors. Is it recommended to run the hddtemp daemon (disabled by default) and sensord? |
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| 22:55.07 | rebekah | are there any particularly easy ways to remove all uncessary packages from a fresh install? |
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| 22:57.20 | teraflops | rebekah: if you do a fresh install do not install unnecessary packages |
| 22:57.47 | teraflops | then you won't have to uninstall things right after installing debian |
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| 22:58.21 | rebekah | teraflops: well its a vps so its a 'fresh' install of whatever image they are using... |
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| 22:59.30 | rebekah | i would say even a minimal install of debian has extra packages that arent totally necessary installed (aptitude,etc) |
| 22:59.41 | teraflops | rebekah: idk |
| 23:00.44 | hmz365 | hi.all |
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| 23:01.34 | teraflops | rebekah: you did not say it was a custom image at the first place, also idk what they add to their images, also unnecessary is not the same for you and me i think |
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| 23:02.25 | rebekah | teraflops: sure, i guess i was thinking in terms of finding packages that really dont have dependencies that are installed |
| 23:03.00 | teraflops | ah |
| 23:03.08 | rebekah | or like... things that wont break the system if i remove them (without just the tedious trial and error method) |
| 23:04.07 | teraflops | rebekah: i don think they (the vps provider) add useless stuff to a minimal installation image |
| 23:04.29 | rebekah | goes back to what you think is useless |
| 23:04.37 | teraflops | rebekah: is the vps a low end one wih limited storage? |
| 23:04.43 | teraflops | yeah hehe |
| 23:04.58 | teraflops | hard to say anyway at least for me |
| 23:05.15 | rebekah | teraflops: no, not particularly, but i have always in the past stripped own a vps before i started adding the software i need to it |
| 23:05.27 | rebekah | that was im pretty clear whats actually on the system |
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| 23:07.52 | rebekah | i dont do it often so i dont have a good method of doing it except trying apt-get --purge remove foobar and seeing what dependencies its going to take with it |
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| 23:08.13 | rebekah | and using some of my own discretion... dont remove vim, etc |
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| 23:10.11 | coruja | rebekah, you want to take a look at deborphan |
| 23:11.27 | rgr | new install. what do I need to install in order to read system mail? |
| 23:12.11 | unborn | rgr: ssh and just system base |
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| 23:13.05 | rebekah | coruja: ill take a look at that, thanks |
| 23:13.07 | rgr | have both |
| 23:13.14 | rgr | no "mail" program |
| 23:13.24 | unborn | tracker miner and tracker store - takes too much.. :( |
| 23:13.44 | unborn | rgr: so install one |
| 23:14.16 | rgr | unborn: what does that mean exactly? I dont want to install just anything. MI wondering where my command line spool reader is. |
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| 23:20.57 | unborn | rgr: you want to read system mail but no "mail" program... to read any text files be it logs or mails you can use nano. |
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| 23:22.53 | unborn | rgr: or perhaps.. http://www.johnkerl.org/doc/mail-how-to.html |
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| 23:49.08 | CeBe | rgr: define "system mail" |
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| 23:50.15 | Bliepo | I don't know whether the people who kindly helped me before (with the network card, chipset BCM4366) are still here, but against all odds: I got it working! |
| 23:51.21 | Bliepo | Anyway, what would be an appropiate place to post a guide on this? |
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| 23:51.44 | somiaj | Bliepo: there isn't one on the debian wiki already? What did you have to do? I thought firmware was enough. |
| 23:51.44 | rudi_s | Bliepo: I don't know the details, but Debian Wiki sounds like a good place. |
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| 23:53.04 | heap_ | hi, is there any channel for the debian arm distro? |
| 23:53.42 | Bliepo | somiaj: It's about the Asus PCE-AC88 which needs a bit of additional work |
| 23:53.50 | Bliepo | I'll check the wiki |
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| 23:56.10 | Bliepo | Hmmm |
| 23:56.20 | Bliepo | wiki doesn't seem to be the place for how-to's to me |
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