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| 00:03.29 | semitones | Hi all! I'm installind debian for the first time in a long time |
| 00:04.09 | semitones | I'm at the root password part, and my instinct is to leave it blank, so that sudo must be used. Is that a common thing to do? |
| 00:04.12 | AAS13 | Oiaohm: the 'freshest' main- 8.7.1, I added the repo.. |
| 00:04.38 | missmbob | semitones: for private machines it's commonish |
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| 00:05.37 | semitones | missmbob: thanks! I went ahead and did it. I'm installing open media vault on jessie :) |
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| 00:09.59 | Shadow_7 | semitones: that's kind of ubuntu's approach |
| 00:10.26 | Shadow_7 | semitones: but if you hose it up, you're SOL without chroot abilities. |
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| 00:11.30 | semitones | Shadow_7: it's possible to chroot on ubuntu with default setup -- I've done that a few times to repair grub. Are you sure it's impossible on debian in this setup? |
| 00:11.31 | missmbob | !tell AAS13 about dont break debian |
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| 00:13.35 | semitones | and if I understand correctly, if I want to setup my partitions beforehand, I have to leave the partition for debian as "free space" rather than format it ext4? |
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| 00:36.32 | Akuw | hi, i am trying to run php files but it shows white page only |
| 00:36.47 | Akuw | it show html files but no php |
| 00:36.53 | Akuw | is a shared server |
| 00:38.36 | missmbob | !install php |
| 00:38.36 | dpkg | To install PHP on Apache, install libapache2-mod-php5, then restart your browser and try to access a php page. If this doesn't work, ask me about <php wants me to download still>. There are also CGI and CLI versions of PHP available in the php5-cgi and php5-cli packages. See also <php mpm> <phpmyadmin> <install mysql> <install apache>. |
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| 00:42.18 | Akuw | is installed |
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| 00:44.30 | anonrebel | hey I know this is for debian stable only but I'm running out of options I'm using sparky linux which is based on debian testing. I'm just in need of help getting my internet working. I can't go wired so that's out of the question. Recently I updated my system and lost internet connectivity. Every time I try to open a browser it says the DNS couldn't be reached. I tried an IP address and the site couldn't be reached same |
| 00:44.30 | anonrebel | error message. It says I'm connected via wifi but there's 0 internet. It's on a different system than the one I'm using right now. I'd appreciate it if someone could help. |
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| 00:47.19 | awal1 | anonrebel, someone will call dpkg anyways as I'll call him, sorry :P |
| 00:47.29 | awal1 | dpkg: sparky linux |
| 00:47.29 | dpkg | SparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based on <testing>. It is not supported in #debian or #debian-next. http://sparkylinux.org/ See also <based on debian>. |
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| 00:57.15 | r4f_debian | Hi all |
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| 01:03.15 | pupuser80aa5c | hi |
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| 01:07.41 | semitones | I'm kinda mad at the installer... first of all it never gave me the option to select manual partitioning. Then, it lied and said after I selected a drive to partition it would have a confirmation screen. THERE WAS NO SUCH SCREEN and it went ahead and wiped the disk. Good think I have a backup. Bad behavior! |
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| 01:09.08 | zykotick9 | semitones: doesn't sound like any debian installer i've ever used... |
| 01:11.17 | Shadow_7 | semitones: debootstrap is more sane for the paranoid |
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| 01:14.40 | deego | What kind of automated process could be running this on my debian? /usr/bin/atop -a -w /var/log/atop/atop_20170301 600 (not me! I've never used atop) |
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| 01:15.25 | Shadow_7 | deego: who does ps say is running it? UID |
| 01:15.57 | semitones | zykotick9: it set the timezone, then detected disks, then did what I said. But whatever. |
| 01:16.00 | deego | Shadow_7: root |
| 01:16.14 | semitones | Shadow_7: how would I have done debootstrap? Press escape, and then somehow choose it from the menu? |
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| 01:16.53 | Shadow_7 | semitones: many distros have a try out mode... as long as it's deb based, debootstrap should be an option. |
| 01:17.02 | deego | ah, it seems that merely having atop around runs it. |
| 01:17.15 | deego | having the package installed, i mean |
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| 01:19.56 | semitones | Shadow_7: hm, on this one there were two options: install (which was the debian-installer) and install with console. Plus a collection of tools that probed the hardware |
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| 01:24.30 | Shadow_7 | You can use an ubuntu live cd to do a debian debootstrap install. You install linux in linux in a chroot |
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| 01:31.20 | hanasaki | have a good link for writing your own systemd service files? and what directories user created go in vs system level ones? |
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| 01:53.39 | mrtrump | is jfs better than xfs? |
| 01:53.54 | mrtrump | u mooks |
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| 01:54.14 | mrtrump | everyone asleep? |
| 01:54.18 | mrtrump | watchin youtube? |
| 01:54.27 | cumbajohnny | does anybody use fog server in here> |
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| 01:55.15 | mrtrump | www.pharo.org might be the best programming way |
| 01:55.17 | mrtrump | wow |
| 01:55.17 | mrtrump | oo |
| 01:55.21 | mrtrump | the right way |
| 01:55.23 | mrtrump | woaaaoo |
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| 01:55.42 | awal1 | Do I really need a mail transfer agent, exim4 precisely, for internal/local system messages/news? |
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| 01:57.21 | Chiuoi | They say "the winner's write history," it is absolutely true, and the most egregious example in modern times has to be the mainstream (mis)understanding of Adolf Hitler and pre-WWII Germany. Adolf Hitler vs The Jew World Order: |
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| 01:57.43 | Chiuoi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssCkc8t9sho |
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| 02:01.17 | karnisones | http://www.renegadetribune.com/federal-reserve-explained-3-minutes/ |
| 02:01.23 | karnisones | This video explains the mechanics of how we are getting fleeced, but fails to mention the jews who are doing it to us. |
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| 02:06.52 | mrtrump | lol |
| 02:06.57 | mrtrump | jooooooooz |
| 02:07.04 | mrtrump | tax movies and TV and lawyers 99% |
| 02:07.05 | mrtrump | :) |
| 02:07.13 | mrtrump | al screwy scum |
| 02:07.22 | mrtrump | mass produced housing built by poor laborers |
| 02:07.24 | missmbob | !chat |
| 02:07.24 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:07.32 | mrtrump | jfs or zfs? |
| 02:07.37 | mrtrump | er xfs |
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| 02:10.04 | tarminqu | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcd-yvudYSg&feature=youtu.be&t=9m24s |
| 02:10.19 | jelly | mrtrump: there are plenty of social channels that might be more acceptable to outbursts like that, but this isn't one of them. Keep it to debian tech support in here and not just as an afterthought, or be quiet |
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| 02:12.24 | AciD` | every single time I forget how I managed to workaround the buggy debian installer |
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| 02:12.54 | AciD` | I used dd to copy the `debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-kde-desktop.iso` to my usb stick, then boot on it |
| 02:13.34 | AciD` | you start the installation and at one point, the installer tries to find the _CD_, which of course it can't since it's an usb stick, and you have no way of skipping this step |
| 02:13.43 | lhx | mrtrump: Is it going to be yuuuuuuge? |
| 02:14.05 | AciD` | anybody remember how to install a live usb? I think I remember having to simply type `live` somewhere, but can't recall exactly |
| 02:14.14 | lhx | ? |
| 02:14.16 | lhx | AciD`: ? |
| 02:14.24 | AciD` | lhx -> ?? |
| 02:14.39 | lhx | AciD`: what do you mean remember how to install al ive usb... make the usb, boot it, pick live option |
| 02:15.15 | AvatarA | the iso is fine, something else is wrong there |
| 02:15.53 | jelly | AciD`: if you want to install, use the installer image not the live one |
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| 02:16.20 | jelly | live images have issues, one thing I remember is problems with uefi systems |
| 02:16.35 | AciD` | I'm trying to install debian 8.7 on a very old eee pc 1001px, and somehow the 'live' entry bugged. I'm trying the 'live (failsafe)' now |
| 02:17.07 | AciD` | -install +launch |
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| 02:17.36 | AciD` | jelly -> well, from my personal experience, the installer _always_ asks for a cd, even when you use an usb key |
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| 02:18.11 | jelly | AciD`: but by your own words, you're not using the installer image right now |
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| 02:18.31 | jelly | and live behaves differently from d-i |
| 02:18.46 | AciD` | jelly -> yes, because each time I managed to install Debian with an usb key, it was with the live image |
| 02:19.32 | jelly | ok, now go try netinst again. |
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| 02:20.23 | jelly | if it's a laptop with wireless only, perhaps use |
| 02:20.26 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 02:20.26 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 02:24.31 | veek | Why does: ausyscall --dump|grep -i accept show nothing on Debian i686. |
| 02:24.54 | veek | it works on rhel |
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| 02:30.34 | awal1 | veek, I guess you have auditd installed? |
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| 03:29.43 | mrtrump | hmm |
| 03:29.49 | mrtrump | can someone read this? |
| 03:30.01 | poor_admin | or this |
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| 03:30.21 | poor-admin | sdfsd |
| 03:30.22 | dax | yes on both counts. |
| 03:30.28 | poor-admin | ok |
| 03:30.29 | missmbob | poor-admin: dont do that |
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| 03:30.46 | missmbob | poor-admin: go elsewhere. you have already been warned |
| 03:30.56 | poor-admin | wait |
| 03:31.03 | poor-admin | I have a deb question |
| 03:31.07 | poor-admin | on topic |
| 03:31.32 | pupuser80aa5c | or at least put read question on one line if you're not sure if you're connected. |
| 03:32.06 | hanasaki | any reason the cherrytrail kernel mods never made it into the debian kernel? how to request to get them in? |
| 03:32.17 | hanasaki | I think its just the sound ... not sure though |
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| 03:47.38 | Teststst | Hey. I have mounted debian dvd 2 to a usb stick in order to install some packages to a pc wich is not connected to the internet. How do I add it to the source file list so I can install the packages threw the terminal? Note: It's not an iso file, it's mounted on a usb stick. |
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| 03:51.20 | trumpy_ | hey all |
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| 03:52.35 | icez | Teststst: apt-cdrom add -d /mnt/yourusb |
| 03:52.47 | icez | then update |
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| 03:53.47 | Teststst | icez: ye I tried that, and the /media/debian path but it does not work :( here is output: https://paste.debian.net/917556/ |
| 03:55.54 | dvs | uses the double BD image to avoid mounting a second DVD image |
| 03:56.09 | icez | Teststst: mount the cd and use the /mnt/point and not /dev/sdb |
| 03:56.15 | missmbob | Teststst: not quite what you asked for but if you cant figure out the dvd as usb thing, i use this script for offline machines. it downloads the package and all dependencies. https://paste.debian.net/917557/ |
| 03:56.26 | icez | mount the usb I mean |
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| 03:58.22 | Teststst | icez: How do I mount the usb as a cd? |
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| 03:58.55 | icez | mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt |
| 03:59.15 | icez | then apt-cdrom add -d /mnt, assuming /dev/sdb1 is your usb drive |
| 04:00.25 | sonnie | hi guys. My alsamixer shows Master only, therefore when I play any audio/video, there is no sound out from my headphone plugged into front |
| 04:01.40 | poor-admin | you got hit liek spacebar over most of thsoe columns |
| 04:01.46 | poor-admin | to unmute |
| 04:02.08 | poor-admin | f5 or something shows them all |
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| 04:02.14 | poor-admin | look toward the top |
| 04:02.41 | Teststst | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:03.06 | dvs | Teststst, /dev/sdb1 not /dev/sdb |
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| 04:03.32 | Teststst | sdb1 does not exist |
| 04:03.37 | sonnie | poor-admin, it IS on the top. I think the default sound card config is wrong |
| 04:04.18 | icez | Teststst: are you sure /dev/sdb is your usb? Seems strange it would be write-protected |
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| 04:05.08 | trumpy_ | love it when you kill off tmux instead of 1 window :/ |
| 04:05.42 | Teststst | icez: is it strange? It's created with the dvd 2 iso from debian and created the iso file with dd in terminal. maybe it's write protected because you're not supposed to mix with the files since it acts like a cd? |
| 04:06.06 | Teststst | Maybe easier if I just put the iso on it instead of writing it to the usb |
| 04:06.49 | sonnie | ok, after I remove pulseaudio, it is working |
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| 04:13.06 | llamapixel | that was random but this is irc. |
| 04:13.15 | aesycos | ur an ircc |
| 04:13.18 | aesycos | ;P |
| 04:13.21 | aesycos | hi |
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| 04:13.35 | userro | hi |
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| 04:13.55 | tofutoon | llamapixel: Well, he did get booted pretty quickly. |
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| 04:23.15 | qmr | ctcx: NO ABSOLUTELY NOT |
| 04:23.33 | Teststst | i re-logged. Did anyone write anything about my case? |
| 04:24.14 | qmr | cbf to read scrollback sry |
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| 04:29.26 | Shadow_7 | it's a cooler master and pink? |
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| 04:30.44 | Teststst | !PACKAGES |
| 04:30.44 | dpkg | Debian .deb packages are a special form of <ar> archive which can be unpacked with "ar x pkg.deb". Inside the file control.tar.gz are conffiles, installation scripts, and a file "control" which contains the information shown with "apt-cache show pkg". Dependencies can be changed by editing this file. Install the dpkg-dev package and read "man 5 deb" for more details. A better plan is to see <package recompile> <source package>. |
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| 04:32.18 | trumpy_ | pink master coolers are leet |
| 04:33.41 | veek | Why does: ausyscall --dump|grep -i accept show nothing on Debian i686. |
| 04:34.09 | qmr | Teststst: what is your issue, besides your lack of persistent IRC connection |
| 04:34.54 | Hello71 | i think his shift key is malfunctioning too |
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| 04:36.11 | trumpy_ | o.o |
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| 04:58.58 | lf94 | could someone do me huge favor |
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| 04:59.11 | lf94 | tell me what files are in /etc/fonts |
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| 04:59.53 | Shadow_7 | very few... conf.avil fonts.conf conf.d/ |
| 05:00.09 | lf94 | could you give me your fonts.conf |
| 05:00.11 | Shadow_7 | it's /usr/share/fonts/ for the actual fonts |
| 05:00.15 | lf94 | For some reason, I cannot regenerate it. |
| 05:00.28 | lf94 | What package create fonts.conf? |
| 05:00.56 | lf94 | Shadow_7 I botched the font system |
| 05:01.08 | Shadow_7 | lf94: it's provided by fontconfig-config... |
| 05:01.12 | lf94 | I'm trying to recover it avoiding a reinstall of debian. |
| 05:01.17 | lf94 | Ok great |
| 05:01.19 | Shadow_7 | lf94: apt-get install --reinstall fontconfig-config |
| 05:02.07 | missmbob | !confmiss |
| 05:02.07 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 05:02.52 | lf94 | My line loops way longer than that :D |
| 05:02.54 | lf94 | looks |
| 05:03.03 | lf94 | sudo apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confdef" -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold" -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install --reinstall fontconfig-config |
| 05:03.14 | lf94 | from some stackoverflow answer |
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| 05:06.09 | Shadow_7 | you could do a full debootstrap install with fewer chars than that |
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| 05:12.20 | ASCII-Art | in terms of goatse, where is the lulz for my flood meth generator? |
| 05:13.06 | ASCII-Art | into the tavern of dead souls, where your uncle is to the front of the room. And we don't do anything like it. We are to be in the elevator now. |
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| 08:38.22 | zmitya | hi All. I have a fresh Jessie on my desktop, using KDE. I have set up the Compose key, but I can not write UTF-8 chars using that (for example <meta_key> <o> <o> should write degree sign) |
| 08:38.29 | zmitya | what did I miss ? |
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| 08:43.57 | Shadow_7 | zmitya: is unicode installed? plus LC_LANG and LC_ALL set? |
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| 08:44.45 | themill | zmitya: are you sure that key combination is ° in your keyboard layout? What application(s) have you tested it with? |
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| 08:50.47 | zmitya | themill: I tested it in kate. And I set the compose key to left win key. I have the same keyboard at my workplace, using centos7 with KDE and it works.. |
| 08:50.54 | zmitya | Shadow_7: let me check |
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| 08:53.42 | zmitya | Shadow_7: I have just installed unicode pkg. same. This is my locale output: https://paste.debian.net/917580/ |
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| 08:54.32 | Shadow_7 | zmitya: might also try $(dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration), maybe it's set to something slightly different that the one at work. |
| 08:56.02 | zmitya | Shadow_7: ok, did it, I need to restart X |
| 08:56.07 | zmitya | will be back soon |
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| 08:59.14 | jelly | zmitya: pastebin the output of "setxkbmap -print" and verify with xev what pressing your left windows key generates, is it Meta-L or Super-L or what |
| 08:59.16 | zmitya | did not help :( |
| 08:59.34 | zmitya | jelly: ok, let me check |
| 09:00.04 | jelly | Shadow_7: what does "unicode" package have to do with keymaps? |
| 09:00.29 | Shadow_7 | it allows the international characters |
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| 09:00.50 | jelly | Shadow_7: its description does not say that. |
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| 09:01.06 | jelly | I don't have it installed, and my Compose key does ° |
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| 09:01.33 | zmitya | jelly: https://paste.debian.net/917581/ |
| 09:01.59 | Shadow_7 | seems like it's more of a search utility than a provider |
| 09:02.23 | Shadow_7 | so probably does nothing useful in context |
| 09:03.14 | jelly | Shadow_7: better avoid giving others info you haven't actually tried out |
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| 09:03.31 | zmitya | jelly: I did not know this xev thing. My left win key does not do anything... |
| 09:03.59 | zmitya | Shadow_7: should I remove the unicode pkg ? |
| 09:04.11 | Shadow_7 | if you need the space. |
| 09:04.13 | jelly | zmitya: you need to focus or mouseover the xev window, do other keys work? |
| 09:04.24 | Shadow_7 | The pc101 seems odd to me |
| 09:04.31 | zmitya | jelly: yes, other keys do work |
| 09:05.29 | Shadow_7 | normally if I need special chars I'll cut and paste from somewhere like a browser. |
| 09:05.42 | jelly | zmitya: that is weird, is this a laptop keyboard or a separate one? |
| 09:05.48 | zmitya | let me check the keyb type at work pc |
| 09:06.06 | zmitya | jelly: its a separated one |
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| 09:06.53 | zmitya | jelly: hm: Cannot open display "default display" |
| 09:07.00 | zmitya | so that wont work.. |
| 09:07.15 | zmitya | let me try to specify a different keyb somehow |
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| 09:07.31 | jelly | zmitya: only works within a running X sessions |
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| 09:08.04 | jelly | !keymap |
| 09:08.04 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 09:08.39 | jelly | zmitya: as Shadow_7 suggests, you might pick a 105-key variant somewhere instead of 101 |
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| 09:09.13 | Shadow_7 | or 104 |
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| 09:09.30 | zmitya | ok |
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| 09:09.58 | zmitya | do I need to logoff / logon ? |
| 09:10.03 | zmitya | after the change ? |
| 09:10.07 | jelly | or even reboot |
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| 09:10.12 | zmitya | ok |
| 09:10.33 | Shadow_7 | keyboard things tend to take immediately, although maybe not X things. |
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| 09:14.53 | zmitya | did not help :( |
| 09:15.19 | bweston92 | Why would /bin/bash not be available to my systemd unit on boot? It waits for "network-online" before it should start. |
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| 09:15.51 | bweston92 | and /bin/bash is not symbolically linked either |
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| 09:16.24 | bweston92 | Error in journal is: Mar 02 06:10:22 ALMAYER systemd[624]: minio.service: Failed at step USER spawning /bin/bash: No such file or directory |
| 09:16.53 | bweston92 | However ls produces: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1099016 Jan 24 15:13 /bin/bash |
| 09:17.18 | bweston92 | Obviously it works when I run a manual restart on the unit. |
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| 09:21.11 | themill | bweston92: wrong architecture? |
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| 09:27.54 | borsin | bweston92: are you specifying a target? |
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| 09:33.58 | bweston92 | borsin: http://pastebin.com/YmmU7Lah |
| 09:33.59 | zmitya | jelly, Shadow_7: I tested it with moving the compose key to AltGr and iot works well with that. So that X does not see my Left Win key for some reason. And could not find any model / variant yet where my left win key works :) |
| 09:34.24 | bweston92 | themill: It works once the system has actually started and I ssh in and restart the service |
| 09:34.33 | themill | ah, ok |
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| 09:38.36 | rootkea | Hello! I am using xdm with xfce. How can I switch user while retaining the previous login? I can see the text "Switch User" after clicking on the action button. But clicking on it does nothing. |
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| 09:39.05 | rootkea | Does switching user work with xdm? |
| 09:40.01 | borsin | bweston92: if you want it to start after network-online, then the use of "after" should be enough and "wants" isn't necessary. I would try that. Wants as i understand is saying your unit file "wants" this but you're wanting this started "after" that mentioned target has run. |
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| 09:41.29 | jelly | zmitya: does the kernel do anything with Win-L? run "showkey" in console outside of X |
| 09:42.36 | bweston92 | borsin: I have both a wants and after |
| 09:42.49 | bweston92 | I just want /bin/bash to exist |
| 09:42.55 | bweston92 | I don't understand why it isn't there |
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| 09:44.57 | borsin | bweston92: i'm suggesting that your _wants_ isn't necessary or your unit file may not work because it's there - i would try it with a _after_ only. i'm running a much simpler unit with /bin/bash with only the _after_ "network.service" without issue |
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| 09:46.37 | zmitya | jelly: showkey did not see my key .. |
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| 09:53.18 | Donquixote | Meh. Why can't I play flv files in VLC and MPlayer. The sound plays. But the sce |
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| 09:53.31 | Donquixote | creen is black. I have already libavconv and toten installed |
| 09:55.00 | Donquixote | Pls help |
| 09:55.24 | Shadow_7 | Donquixote: what about avplay? |
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| 09:55.45 | jelly | zmitya: that's kind of bad. Maybe a newer kernel will have better drivers for your keyboard. |
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| 09:56.27 | Shadow_7 | Maybe it's an Fn type key and only exists on keyboard |
| 09:56.28 | Donquixote | It display libavplaysomething. I'm installing it |
| 09:57.19 | Donquixote | Shadow_7: It did not help |
| 09:57.20 | Shadow_7 | Donquixote: apt-get install libav-tools |
| 09:57.44 | Donquixote | That was already installed |
| 09:57.48 | Shadow_7 | Donquixote: what does avprobe say about the file? |
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| 09:58.13 | Shadow_7 | Technically FLV is "flash" video, so maybe flash is required |
| 09:58.14 | zmitya | jelly: at work, I have a Centos7 with 3.10. Jessie has 3.16, so should not be a problem :( |
| 09:59.04 | zmitya | jelly, Shadow_7: I have the same keyb at home and at work .. TESORO TS-G1NL |
| 09:59.16 | Donquixote | avprobe version 11.8-6:11.8-1~deb8u1, Copyright (c) 2007-2016 the Libav developers |
| 09:59.16 | Donquixote | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.16 | Donquixote | [flv @ 0x82cd20] max_analyze_duration 5000000 reached |
| 09:59.16 | Donquixote | Input #0, flv, from 'FILE.flv': |
| 09:59.16 | Donquixote | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.17 | Donquixote | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.17 | Donquixote | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:00.22 | jelly | zmitya: RHEL/CentOS backport a lot of drivers from newer kernels, version number is not necessarily indicative of featureset there |
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| 10:00.37 | zmitya | jelly: oh, ok, I see |
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| 10:01.30 | jelly | zmitya: I'd try a kernel from jessie-backports for a test, see if there's anything different |
| 10:01.38 | Donquixote | Shadow_7: http://paste.debian.net/917590/ |
| 10:01.40 | jelly | dpkg, tell zmitya about bdo kernel |
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| 10:01.48 | jelly | dpkg, tell zmitya about jessie-backports |
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| 10:02.36 | zmitya | jelly: thx |
| 10:02.45 | Donquixote | It's not just that file though. YouTube videos in general won't be displayed |
| 10:03.02 | Donquixote | And another MP4 |
| 10:03.12 | Donquixote | Someone said MP4 has issues in Jessie |
| 10:03.15 | zmitya | jelly: btw, what does "3rd level of Left CTRL" mean ? |
| 10:03.26 | Donquixote | But MPlayer also doesn't work |
| 10:05.06 | Shadow_7 | Donquixote: vp6f seems like a problem format. $ avconv -codecs 2>&1 | grep -i vp6f |
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| 10:05.35 | jelly | Donquixote: does mpv work? |
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| 10:06.24 | Shadow_7 | Seems to have decode abilities |
| 10:06.39 | Donquixote | I don't know. I don't have an mpv file :x |
| 10:06.50 | Shadow_7 | Donquixote: apt-get install mpv |
| 10:07.04 | Shadow_7 | it's a fork of mplayer / mplayer2 |
| 10:07.04 | Donquixote | mkv doesn't even start with MPlayer. With VLC, it just plays the audio |
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| 10:07.40 | Donquixote | I'm installing it |
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| 10:09.52 | sep | good day, i just upgraded a debian to stretch; and there must be something very wrong with vi/vim. i have problems with basic things like cut and paste with middleclick mouse |
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| 10:11.46 | Donquixote | http://paste.debian.net/917591/ |
| 10:12.03 | jelly | sep: does selection copy with left mouse and paste with middle work in the same terminal outside of vim? |
| 10:12.09 | sep | works like normal in the shell, so it's just a problem in vim for some reason |
| 10:12.12 | Shadow_7 | Donquixote: mpv --ao=pulse --vo=opengl --hwdec=auto --video-zoom=0 --framedrop=vo --no-osc --osd-level=1 ./media_file.ext |
| 10:12.20 | Shadow_7 | how I launch mine ^^^ |
| 10:12.45 | Donquixote | I think I'll just get Wine and VLC. In my experience, Windows versions of many programs work a fuckton better than their GNU/Linux counterparts, even in Wine |
| 10:12.51 | jelly | Shadow_7: most of that is autodetected default, notably ao pulse and vo opengl |
| 10:13.32 | Shadow_7 | I sometimes use vappi and jackd, easier to just have it so I can just cursor and change |
| 10:14.33 | sep | very strange, for some reason, middle click on mouse acts like 'p' in vi, instead of pasteing what is in the clipboard it paste what is in vi cliboard |
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| 10:14.48 | borsin | sep: you are in insert mode when pasting - assuming you're copying something outside of vim? |
| 10:15.00 | sep | borsin, indeed |
| 10:15.20 | Donquixote | I'd like to know: Can I somehow put my Debian in the state of a newly installed KDE desktop, with only my browser and icedove settings, as well as openbox, being intact? Without newinstallation? |
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| 10:15.38 | jelly | Donquixote: create a new user? |
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| 10:15.58 | jelly | and copy over desired config |
| 10:16.08 | jelly | and copy desired config over* |
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| 10:16.19 | Donquixote | No, I mean, I'd like to remove any unnecessary packages, such as the media ones I've installed now |
| 10:16.35 | Donquixote | I installed my Debian with LXDE and added Xfce a few days later |
| 10:16.44 | Donquixote | I'd like to get rig of them and switch to KDE |
| 10:16.58 | Donquixote | With removing every unnecessary package such as PCManFM and Thunar |
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| 10:18.03 | jelly | Donquixote: remove the xfce metapackages you installed manually, and hope aptitude or apt pick up most of the now unneeded dependencies |
| 10:19.00 | Donquixote | What about LXDE? |
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| 10:20.32 | sep | the mouse issue in vim seams to have been a bug, but the bug is closed, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=839112 |
| 10:20.33 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/839112 in vim-runtime (closed): «Please revert to previous default settings»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-09-29; last modified: 2016-11-07. |
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| 10:24.46 | Shadow_7 | Donquixote: looks like opengGL isn't working right on your system |
| 10:24.56 | Shadow_7 | Donquixote: try --vo=x11 for mpv |
| 10:25.32 | Donquixote | And how do I fix that? =( |
| 10:25.40 | Donquixote | I need OpenGL for Emulators |
| 10:25.54 | Shadow_7 | Donquixote: probably missing packages or user is not in the video group |
| 10:26.20 | Donquixote | What packages? How can I add myself in to the group? |
| 10:26.29 | sep | borsin, jelly , one actualy have to add a string like let g:skip_defaults_vim = 1 to get sane vim again. |
| 10:26.42 | jelly | Donquixote: same thing but with task-lxde-desktop package, I guess |
| 10:26.46 | sep | to /etc/vim/vimrc |
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| 10:27.03 | Shadow_7 | Donquixote: $(groups) to see what groups... apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx mesa-utils && glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 10:27.52 | Shadow_7 | should say YES for direct rendering if things are good. And glxgears should show gears. |
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| 10:28.47 | Donquixote | Yes for direct rendering. glxgears displayed a memory access error |
| 10:29.00 | jelly | Shadow_7: libgl1-mesa-glx contains the software rendering stuff, libgl1-mesa-dri is for hardware |
| 10:29.18 | jelly | and that's for free drivers |
| 10:29.39 | Shadow_7 | should be grabbed as a dep? no? |
| 10:29.48 | jelly | no |
| 10:29.59 | jelly | judd: depends libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 10:30.00 | judd | Package libgl1-mesa-glx in jessie/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), libdrm2 (>= 2.3.1), libexpat1 (>= 2.0.1), libglapi-mesa (= 10.3.2-1+deb8u1), libx11-6 (>= 2:1.4.99.1), libx11-xcb1, libxcb-dri2-0 (>= 1.8), libxcb-dri3-0, libxcb-glx0 (>= 1.8), libxcb-present0, libxcb-sync1, libxcb1 (>= 1.9.2), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6, libxfixes3, libxshmfence1, libxxf86vm1, libudev1,multiarch-support. |
| 10:30.17 | jelly | judd: recommends libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 10:30.18 | judd | Package libgl1-mesa-glx in jessie/amd64 -- recommends: libgl1-mesa-dri (>= 7.2). |
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| 10:30.25 | jelly | or maybe yes |
| 10:30.33 | Shadow_7 | You still need the software part though. Not all rendering needs are handled by hardware. At least for most cards I've seen (low end) |
| 10:35.01 | afx_ | Hello! I would like to disable bluetooth on boot . Should I use this http://askubuntu.com/questions/419115/make-bluetooth-disabled-by-default ? |
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| 10:36.30 | Shadow_7 | afx_: do you still want to use it at all? bluez is the package that provides the thing for it. |
| 10:37.12 | afx_ | Shadow_7, I am having problems using it correctly , so I guess I wouldnt mind using it at all |
| 10:37.35 | Shadow_7 | define "problems" |
| 10:37.54 | afx_ | Shadow_7, connecting problems |
| 10:38.08 | Shadow_7 | sometimes successful? or never? |
| 10:38.37 | afx_ | My phone is rarely discovered and if so , once I start the transfer the bt on my laptop turns off |
| 10:39.35 | Shadow_7 | signal strength issue? or more likely to be the driver. |
| 10:39.56 | afx_ | or once if discovered I can't turn it on , i.e. it turns automatically off |
| 10:40.24 | Shadow_7 | Maybe you're holding it wrong (j/k old apple quote) |
| 10:40.26 | afx_ | how can I find out if the driver works correctly |
| 10:41.14 | Shadow_7 | afx_: might be things in dmesg that say that it's doing stuff. like missing firmware or disconnecting a lot. Otherwise /var/log/ stuffs or journalctl |
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| 10:41.52 | anddam | hello |
| 10:42.00 | Shadow_7 | or google for others with issues on the vender:device number. |
| 10:42.07 | afx_ | Shadow_7, https://paste.debian.net/917596/ |
| 10:42.29 | afx_ | SerialNumber: Alaska Day 2006 , hahaha |
| 10:42.30 | afx_ | wtf |
| 10:43.27 | Shadow_7 | afx_: idVendor=13d3, idProduct=3362 ...so google for... 13d3:3362 |
| 10:44.03 | Shadow_7 | seems to have tx issues... aka transfer, so your device sending |
| 10:44.49 | afx_ | Shadow_7, yes I was trying to send a file currently |
| 10:45.07 | afx_ | how shall I disable it if I get no solution ? |
| 10:45.49 | Shadow_7 | afx_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/1394799 ... seems loading ath3k and btusb AFTER boot works better. aka add them to the blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/ and modprobe after booting |
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| 10:46.37 | Shadow_7 | just a workaround though. and probably a driver issue. maybe improved drivers on github? idk |
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| 10:47.18 | Shadow_7 | could be firmware? don't know as I've never actually used bluetooth. My laptop has a chipset, but I have no devices. |
| 10:47.27 | afx_ | is ath3k only for bt? |
| 10:47.48 | Shadow_7 | normally wifi and bt are on the same chip |
| 10:48.11 | Shadow_7 | aka in my case, rtl8723be where be == bluetooth enabled |
| 10:48.44 | Shadow_7 | And things like lp == low power |
| 10:49.15 | Shadow_7 | or was it just l after the device name. |
| 10:49.29 | afx_ | its on the same chip on mine too |
| 10:49.30 | Shadow_7 | with lp being ram and low profile |
| 10:49.48 | afx_ | so I am wondering if there is a way to disable only bt |
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| 10:50.59 | Shadow_7 | afx_: the ath3k being the wifi and bluetooth. the btusb being that bluez bridge. perhaps btusb loads before ath3k and things get odd |
| 10:51.50 | Shadow_7 | afx_: uninstalling bluez and blacklisting btusb would probably work |
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| 10:53.01 | Shadow_7 | in my case I've heard that bluetooth doesn't work with the open driver, but does with the manufacturers driver. But like I said I don't have anyway to test that, no devices so no need. |
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| 10:53.19 | afx_ | ok I will try to blacklist btusb |
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| 10:54.05 | Shadow_7 | afx_: you could always modprobe -r after boot. or delete the module from the kernel /lib/modules/... although updates would put it back |
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| 10:55.03 | Shadow_7 | not having bluez installed would probably help |
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| 10:56.11 | Shadow_7 | hardly best practices though |
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| 11:04.04 | afx_ | Shadow_7, sudo modprobe -r btusb ? |
| 11:04.19 | afx_ | how can I check if the module is unloaded? |
| 11:04.35 | afx_ | removed |
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| 11:14.19 | zykotick9 | afx_: using "lsmod" will list what modules are currently loaded |
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| 11:14.36 | veek | why doesn't the i686 arch have socket or connect in the system call table? |
| 11:14.50 | veek | it's availiable on x86_64 but not i686 |
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| 11:33.40 | afx_ | thnak you zykotick9 |
| 11:33.46 | afx_ | thank* |
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| 11:47.34 | Donquixote | All operating systems are garbage. |
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| 11:48.37 | veek | Donquixote, die! die! :p |
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| 11:49.40 | Donquixote | I might. In a few hours I will receive a nitrogen tank. Then I can put on my Exit Bag and die on a whim. |
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| 11:50.58 | veek | shame on you |
| 11:51.09 | veek | donate organs :p |
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| 11:51.33 | Donquixote | I won't. |
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| 11:52.23 | themill | perhaps you wanted ##chat |
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| 12:01.26 | menace | Hi, i have no audio on debian jessie in firefox, but with a local video with vlc i have audio.. i do not find any current bugs/links when googling with "debian jessie firefox no sound". does anyone have a hint what to do/what to look for? |
| 12:01.50 | veek | gosh! i had a lot of problem with audio |
| 12:04.00 | veek | try aplayanyway firefox uses pulse which sends to alsa |
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| 12:05.49 | menace | aplayanyway? |
| 12:06.02 | menace | i cannot find it in the repo or with google? |
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| 12:09.41 | dontknow | i get sound from firefox without pulseaudio |
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| 12:12.18 | veek | you don't need the pkg, but i suspect you need libpulse (it's either statically linked in or dynamic) that's what the guys on #firefox told me (anyway that was not the problem with my box) |
| 12:12.55 | veek | ldd didn't show anything so.. |
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| 12:21.46 | rafalcpp | is Qt at least 5.6.0 provided in debian stable? |
| 12:22.11 | rafalcpp | I wonder what package can it mean to install, for Project ERROR: Use at least Qt 5.6.0. |
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| 12:23.53 | veek | libqt5core5a:i386 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u2 |
| 12:24.37 | veek | dpkg -l|grep tells you |
| 12:24.37 | dpkg | veek: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 12:24.48 | veek | heh |
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| 12:27.20 | rafalcpp | and 5.6 is not in backports either? |
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| 12:27.38 | rafalcpp | (I searched on https://backports.debian.org/Packages/ and it shows nothing for "qtbase5") |
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| 12:41.09 | Donquixote | A chrome app did the job. I cannot play mp4 within VLC, Mplayer oder Dragon Player, but in a fucking chrome extension. |
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| 12:41.50 | missmbob | Donquixote: vlc in stable has known bugs. try mpv |
| 12:42.05 | Donquixote | Doesn't work either |
| 12:42.09 | Donquixote | No native Player works |
| 12:42.19 | Donquixote | Minitube also doesn't |
| 12:42.25 | Donquixote | Just JavaScript gets the job done |
| 12:42.29 | Donquixote | Fucking JavaScript |
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| 12:45.49 | Donquixote | I wonder if I should just abandon desktops alltogether and use chrome for everything |
| 12:46.01 | Donquixote | Chrome and emulators |
| 12:46.05 | Donquixote | *chromium |
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| 12:54.11 | hanshenrik | when i `apt-get install ffmpeg` , why does it try to install libav? |
| 12:54.36 | missmbob | !libav |
| 12:54.36 | dpkg | Libav is a complete, cross-platform solution to record, convert and stream audio and video. Libav is a fork of <FFmpeg> and replaces it in the Debian 7 Wheezy and 8 Jessie releases. Multithreaded decoding is available since libav 4:0.7~rc1-1 (bug #575600); MP3 encoding support is available since libav 4:0.7.1-2 (bug #587904). http://libav.org/faq.html http://libav.org/ #libav on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:54.52 | missmbob | hanshenrik: ffmpeg is in jessie-backports if you want it |
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| 12:55.47 | hanshenrik | im actually using debian 9 stretch, but can't join #debian-next for some reason |
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| 12:56.01 | missmbob | #debian-next is on oftc, not freenode |
| 12:56.09 | hanshenrik | oh thanks |
| 12:56.33 | BluesKaj | Howdy all |
| 12:56.43 | missmbob | the libav part still applies. just not jessie-backports :P |
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| 13:03.28 | Brski | I'm running 'sudo -u www-data /usr/bin/php -f sendMail.php >> sendMail.php.log' but I'm gettings permission denied on the log file even though that www-data is the owner of it and has permissions to write. I just found out that the log file isn't written to by www-data, but instead with the user that I'm running the script with. Why's this??? |
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| 13:04.12 | veek | it's not suid |
| 13:05.10 | themill | !sudo redirection |
| 13:05.10 | dpkg | <sudo> can run a command as root but what is a "command"? "sudo foo > /etc/bar" will give you "-bash: /etc/bar: Permission denied". Your shell splits "sudo foo > /etc/bar" into "run the command sudo with the argument foo" and then "stick the output into /etc/bar"; it's your own shell (not sudo!) that will create /etc/bar and it doesn't have permission to do so. Use «su -», «sudo -i», «foo | sudo tee /etc/bar». |
| 13:05.21 | themill | veek: suid has nothing to do with this |
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| 13:06.23 | jelly | technically, the shell first prepares the " > /etc/bar" part then runs whatever command |
| 13:06.24 | veek | ah - ty |
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| 13:12.48 | stoned_ | How long will debian jessie be supported for after stretch release |
| 13:13.05 | stoned_ | I forgot the oldstable support time lengh |
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| 13:16.27 | zmitya | stoned_: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 13:17.32 | stoned_ | zmitya: I do not like the new softwares in stretch |
| 13:17.48 | stoned_ | I tried out the strech debian and it has new things and I don't like them. |
| 13:18.29 | BluesKaj | what don't you like ? |
| 13:18.45 | stoned_ | new versions of desktop and application softwares. |
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| 13:18.56 | jord | hiya |
| 13:19.24 | jord | just wanted to ask -- is there a way of creating a livedvd with persistence, specifically on the dvd? |
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| 13:19.32 | BluesKaj | stoned_, well it is a "testing" version after all |
| 13:19.33 | jord | afaik puppylinux can do it |
| 13:20.16 | stoned_ | BluesKaj: doesn't matter. |
| 13:20.19 | BluesKaj | !persistence |
| 13:20.34 | tw | with the persistence stored ON the dvd? I know how you would technically do it, but that seems super weird. |
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| 13:20.40 | BluesKaj | guess there's no info bots ? |
| 13:20.40 | jord | tw, yeah |
| 13:21.00 | jord | dvd's are way cheaper than usbs, and I've got a ton of them |
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| 13:21.14 | stoned_ | tw: why is it weird? |
| 13:21.33 | stoned_ | usually people mean live iso image, not actually a physical dvd rom. |
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| 13:21.45 | tw | stoned_: No, he means on optical media. |
| 13:21.48 | stoned_ | and I'm assuming it's going to be used on a usb, where persistence is possible. |
| 13:21.51 | stoned_ | does he? |
| 13:21.54 | stoned_ | why not confirm? |
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| 13:22.08 | BluesKaj | stoned_, I like it, have no trouble so far except a segfault when closing konversation |
| 13:22.13 | jord | I'll re-iterate, I've got a ton of dvds and I'm too poor to buy a usb ;) |
| 13:22.25 | stoned_ | jord: ask for one. |
| 13:22.32 | jord | stoned_, not persistence on the usb |
| 13:22.34 | stoned_ | jord: you have friends? |
| 13:23.02 | jord | I do |
| 13:23.10 | jord | but I've got dvd's too! |
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| 13:23.28 | jord | afaik puppy does this by running in ram and then saving back to the dvd |
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| 13:23.53 | stoned_ | jord: how is it saved back to the DVD rom w/o actually burning to the DVD media? |
| 13:23.55 | tw | jord: you'd extend the UDF image with your changes from your tmpfs or ramdisk. I don't know of any live image that does this aside from what you've mentioned. Optical media's immutability property is the only thing keeping it around for the majority of users. |
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| 13:24.13 | tw | when syncing the persistance to disk. |
| 13:24.26 | BluesKaj | i bought three 16Gb USB sticks from amazon for 25bucks |
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| 13:24.44 | stoned_ | I have the pefectest idea |
| 13:25.20 | stoned_ | I will just stick with jessie for however long |
| 13:25.28 | stoned_ | I think I read somehwere 2020, I hope that's correct. |
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| 13:25.36 | stoned_ | That's another 3 years. I'm happy w/ that. Not greedy. |
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| 13:26.04 | jord | hmm |
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| 13:26.19 | jord | puppylinux does it like this: http://puppylinux.org/wikka/MultiSessionLiveDVD |
| 13:26.23 | stoned_ | I don't like the new versions of stuff in the new debian. Too many changes. The configs are saved in diff place. It won't even use my kate editor settings |
| 13:26.50 | stoned_ | the new kde probably doesn't even have the same config place, I dunno, it all looks different, it's just... I don't wann. |
| 13:27.07 | BluesKaj | stoned_, it's probly plasma 5 that you don't like, and it dropped some neat features that were available on plasma4 |
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| 13:27.13 | stoned_ | Too many changes. I was hoping, just that application would be updated, and I would not have to reconfigure everything. |
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| 13:28.03 | stoned_ | BluesKaj: I only use a few kde applications, mostly only urxvrt, xmonad, chrome (for netflix), konqueror (file browser, with previews/plugins), kate (I like this editor). |
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| 13:28.27 | stoned_ | When I go to the new debian, all of of it looks different, none of the configs from my ~ is are affecting it's just really diffrent |
| 13:28.51 | stoned_ | Usually I just install a debian and it takes my settings from /home/stoned and I don' thave to really do anything but just install packages. |
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| 13:28.55 | stoned_ | and copy my config files. |
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| 13:29.12 | tw | Not sure about kde, but I noticed a lot of stuff becoming more freedesktop compliant with their config files. |
| 13:29.13 | stoned_ | Now it seems I would have to reconfigure all my desktop apps.. b/c they have a new kde which probably stores things diff place. |
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| 13:29.22 | hanshenrik_ | are the libav guys intentionally sabotaging the ffmpeg binary? the current stretch ffmpeg binary, when given "ffmpeg -i foo.jpg bar.jpg", will rotate the picture 90 degrees |
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| 13:29.51 | stoned_ | tw: that's probably good, but diff from kde4 to kde5 (jessie to stretch) cuasing a lot of 'differences' in my setup |
| 13:30.07 | stoned_ | not only is it slightly confusing to find out most of my daily apps require reconfig. |
| 13:30.10 | tw | #debian-next is the place for that. |
| 13:30.14 | stoned_ | but also tedious. |
| 13:30.21 | stoned_ | tw: I back on stable jessie. |
| 13:30.26 | BluesKaj | stoned_, yeah kde/plasma5 is quite different than 4 the default theme for example is silly IMO ,but it's easily changed , no separate backgrounds for VDs etc |
| 13:30.30 | stoned_ | I just wanted to share my experience. |
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| 13:30.32 | jord | hmm |
| 13:30.33 | tw | hanshenrik_: check bugs for ffmpeg, and file one if it's not there. |
| 13:30.42 | jord | using puppylinux would be easier I guess |
| 13:31.00 | jord | or messing around with antiX, since it already boots from ram |
| 13:31.03 | stoned_ | BluesKaj: I don't use plasma. Just xmonad. |
| 13:31.14 | stoned_ | I wonder, is there a way to build a custom debian iso w/ only the packages I want? |
| 13:31.15 | BluesKaj | oh |
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| 13:31.23 | stoned_ | I didn't use debian for a few years and I forgot somethings |
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| 13:32.26 | BluesKaj | xmonad is window manager not a desktopo , but I get your drift |
| 13:32.33 | stoned_ | yup |
| 13:32.38 | stoned_ | xmoand wm, plus just a few kde apps. |
| 13:32.49 | stoned_ | That's all I use. Everything else is cli |
| 13:34.20 | BluesKaj | I use the termianl for maintaining the OS packagewise etc, but I do like dolphin and kate for most tasks and I use muon as a package reference guide |
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| 13:34.40 | BluesKaj | terminal even |
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| 13:36.08 | BluesKaj | and kwin works for me |
| 13:36.34 | stoned_ | what is a muon |
| 13:36.58 | stoned_ | BluesKaj: kwin isn't a wm. It's doesn't manage windows. You do. |
| 13:37.04 | stoned_ | :) |
| 13:37.19 | stoned_ | xmonad manages my windows. I don't. because I'm not a wm. |
| 13:37.21 | stoned_ | I'm a person. |
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| 13:37.48 | stoned_ | if a wm has window borders, controls, draggble stuff, title bars, handles, it's not a wm, it's just goofy. |
| 13:37.59 | stoned_ | it makes users do all the work. |
| 13:38.09 | stoned_ | I don't think it's right, but anyway. that's neither here nor there. |
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| 13:38.49 | tw | Your definition of WM in regard to decorators is vastly different from a majority of users. |
| 13:39.02 | stoned_ | tw: not just. |
| 13:39.08 | BluesKaj | stoned_, kwin is classified as a wm in X |
| 13:39.16 | stoned_ | not by me! :D |
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| 13:40.33 | BluesKaj | heh, well, that's an opinion then |
| 13:41.33 | stoned_ | I don't have a debian machine right now, but i need to make a custom debian iso, w/o access to a debian system |
| 13:41.35 | stoned_ | any idea how? |
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| 13:42.38 | tw | debootstrap |
| 13:42.40 | BluesKaj | what about netinstall |
| 13:42.45 | stoned_ | I'm on windows |
| 13:43.16 | tw | xmonad doesn't run on windows. |
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| 13:43.47 | stoned_ | Right. I wanted to make a custom debian installer cd w/ base system + whatever packages and their dependenceis I use. |
| 13:43.57 | stoned_ | then install the debian. |
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| 13:44.23 | stoned_ | cusotmCD req acces to a debian systme already |
| 13:44.25 | stoned_ | !customcd |
| 13:44.29 | stoned_ | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD this anyway |
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| 13:46.08 | tw | make a VM. |
| 13:46.21 | foo357 | Hello, I'm trying to get an .inputrc binding to work on a debian box. Usually I use a rhel/centos box and it works fine there... the keybinding is: "\C- ": 'cd .. \015' (Ctrl+<space> to '..' ) |
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| 13:47.06 | foo357 | When I try it on the debian computer nothing much happens. |
| 13:47.12 | abishai | hello guys |
| 13:47.26 | abishai | I must be one of the few, but I really like Systemd |
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| 13:48.13 | abishai | is it possible to remove cron, atd, and any remnants of SysV init from Debian 8? |
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| 13:48.53 | abishai | any other systemd fans out there? |
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| 13:50.20 | altyr | systemd-cron is your friend |
| 13:50.46 | abishai | I'd prefer to have everything in timer units |
| 13:52.30 | abishai | but when looking at cron.daily it seems hell of a lot of work to convert to timer units |
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| 13:53.17 | abishai | this sucks, make it either full systemd or full SysV init, having both is bloaty |
| 13:54.04 | petn-randall | abishai: Let us know how it goes. |
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| 13:56.06 | hades099 | Hi, i need some help with xrdp and xfce4 |
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| 13:57.07 | tw | I'd think making a perl script to convert crontab syntax to OnCalendar syntax, that'd be the majority of the work. Then testing the hell out of it. I'm sure I'm missing a ton of other stuff like environment, shell, runas user, etc. |
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| 14:06.01 | iresf | i have installed openconnect on ubuntu 16.04 to before that i used sudo /sbin/modprobe tun and when i restart the system it automatically connect to cisco account |
| 14:06.04 | iresf | how to disable it ? |
| 14:06.46 | petn-randall | hi iresf, for Ubuntu support please ask in #ubuntu |
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| 14:08.46 | jelly | abishai: cron and atd have nothing to do with sysvinit, these are separate components and different functionality |
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| 14:09.46 | abishai | jelly: yes but they have overlaping functionality to systemd, I'd prefer having only systemd |
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| 14:12.16 | jelly | abishai: add the missing functionality to the packages you use? |
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| 14:13.00 | abishai | jelly: yeah.. that will be a long weekend :p |
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| 14:32.16 | Milchy | Im completely new to linux, I've decided to play with it on a virtual box, installed this cpanel type package called vestacp (it includes webserver stuff like apache, ftp, etc etc.). The problem is the virtualbox (with all its running software onboard) is on accesible from the internet on port 8083 (which is the vestacp panel login), stuff is also running on ports 80, 21, 443, but its not |
| 14:32.16 | Milchy | accesible and i DONT KNOW WHY :( please help |
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| 14:34.39 | petn-randall | !cpanel |
| 14:34.39 | dpkg | cPanel is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 14:35.45 | petn-randall | Milchy: I personally wouldn't recommend cpanel for various reasons. But regarding your problem of several ports not being accessible, you probably have to ask in the virtualbox channel how to forward them properly to be accessible from the outside. |
| 14:35.54 | petn-randall | Milchy: Which host OS are you using? |
| 14:36.04 | Milchy | the problem is port 8083 is accesible |
| 14:36.17 | Milchy | if tryed forwarding ports 80 21 443 to 8083 and its working |
| 14:36.30 | Milchy | but if they are fowarded to the same values, e.g., 80 to 80, 21 to 21 |
| 14:36.32 | Milchy | then its not working |
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| 14:37.00 | Milchy | i have win10, running vbox with debian |
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| 14:38.02 | Milchy | so im really lost on whats wrong here |
| 14:38.25 | petn-randall | !virtualbox |
| 14:38.25 | dpkg | Oracle VM VirtualBox is an almost free software virtual machine solution. To install, see https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox or ask me about <vbox-install jessie>, <vbox-install wheezy>. http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox rename>, <vbox guest>, <vbox extpack>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>. |
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| 14:38.46 | petn-randall | Milchy: I recommend asking in this channel ^^^. Your port forwarding issues are not related to the guest OS. |
| 14:39.12 | Milchy | but the vbox is passing the connection on to the linux |
| 14:39.33 | Milchy | else, why would 80 forwarded to 8083 work, but 80 to 80 not? |
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| 14:40.08 | Shadow_7 | Milchy: you need to be root priviledge to outbound to ports < 1024 |
| 14:40.23 | Milchy | Shadow_7 what does that mean exactly |
| 14:40.40 | Milchy | i want thoes ports to be accesible for everyone, as its a kinda webserver |
| 14:40.47 | Shadow_7 | many things don't run as root, by design |
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| 14:42.08 | jhutchins_wk | Milchy: What webserver are you using? |
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| 14:42.55 | Milchy | apache i guess |
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| 14:44.41 | jhutchins_wk | Milchy: What are you using to forward? |
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| 14:45.41 | Milchy | well the stuff thats on vbox (nat) and iptables on linux, though im not sure if its set up good on linux as i have no idea whats going on there, but i assume the package itself should have addedd acception for those ports automaticaly |
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| 14:48.16 | Milchy | http://pastebin.com/feksrmdb |
| 14:48.20 | Milchy | my iptables file |
| 14:48.49 | Milchy | 80 is in there, and it looks the same as 8083, which works |
| 14:50.37 | riccoo | hello, i have dell studio 1555. When I close laptop lid system works but screen doesn't turn off. How to do that the screen turn off when I close laptop lid(system must work)? It will save more power. |
| 14:51.42 | petn-randall | riccoo: If you're running a desktop, you usually can change the settings in power management to turn off the screen on lid close. |
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| 14:54.51 | riccoo | petn-randall no, i'm not using a desktop. Only command line |
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| 15:02.36 | riccoo | anyone can help me? |
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| 15:04.39 | riccoo | petn-randall ? |
| 15:04.52 | petn-randall | riccoo: If I knew, I'd respond. |
| 15:05.11 | petn-randall | riccoo: Have a little patience, it's only been 15 minutes since you asked. |
| 15:06.21 | riccoo | i'm sorry :) |
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| 15:16.25 | Shadow_7 | riccoo: you can pre-shut it off.... xbacklight -set 0% && xset dmps force off |
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| 15:17.06 | Shadow_7 | although it might be hard to restore if you don't have a hotkey setup to open a terminal |
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| 15:18.05 | Shadow_7 | but switching to a console and back normally undo's the state. Cntrl+Alt+F# + Alt+F# |
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| 15:29.08 | jhutchins_wk | Can a disk be removed from an LVM group without loosing data? |
| 15:30.14 | Shadow_7 | idk, you can shrink them iirc |
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| 15:34.46 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, pvmove then vgreduce. |
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| 15:34.52 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: yes, provided there's enough space to move data off the PV(s) on that disk |
| 15:35.04 | jhutchins_wk | Right, I'll add the new volume first. |
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| 15:35.26 | jhutchins_wk | ...although I think there's space, it's a strange layout: 3G, 2G, 80G. |
| 15:35.42 | jhutchins_wk | Pretty sure there's 5G free on the 80. |
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| 15:36.08 | jelly | pastebin the outputs of "pvs" and "vgs" maybe for a free estimate! |
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| 15:36.48 | jhutchins_wk | Thanks, we'll work it out. |
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| 15:40.29 | jhutchins_wk | I must've misread something, now it's not looking like that. |
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| 15:42.47 | DaemeonZane | shit |
| 15:42.48 | DaemeonZane | lol |
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| 15:43.36 | asterismo | hi |
| 15:43.45 | asterismo | i need help with something |
| 15:44.14 | spooky | can someone tell me what's happening to my xchat and hexchat? i'm using debian gnome and every 2 weeks or so, hexchat and xchat will just close down. no reason at all. even when i'm not using it. is there something i can check to see why this is happening, is there a way to fix it? |
| 15:44.39 | asterismo | i have a PC that i use as a server, and i have two networking cards, the onboard realtek 8111 gigabit ethernet and the wlan0 tp-link pcie card |
| 15:44.48 | petn-randall | spooky: You could start it on the command line, and see if it segfaults. |
| 15:45.20 | asterismo | i was using the wifi card but both devices eth0 (gigabit realtek ethernet) and wlan0 (tp-link wifi pci card) were listed in ifconfig |
| 15:45.30 | spooky | petn-randall: unfortunately i'm new to linux and don't know how to do that |
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| 15:45.35 | spooky | or what segfaults means |
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| 15:46.00 | asterismo | then after i booted into a root recovery once, the eth0 device dissapeared, and it does not even appears in the 'lspci' output |
| 15:46.01 | asterismo | any ideas |
| 15:46.04 | asterismo | ?? |
| 15:46.06 | petn-randall | spooky: You just open a terminal and start it from there. If it closes, you'll usually see an error message on the command line. |
| 15:46.40 | spooky | petn-randall: okay. but it closes after a few weeks. so if it doesn't close immediately i just keep the terminal up? |
| 15:46.52 | petn-randall | spooky: yes, sure. |
| 15:47.00 | spooky | ok thnx |
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| 15:47.18 | jhutchins_wk | spooky: It could be that their logs are getting too big. |
| 15:47.20 | asterismo | long story short, i used to have wlan0 and eth0 and after booting into a recovery, i lost eth0 onboard lan and the system wont detect it, does not list on ifconfig |
| 15:47.52 | spooky | jhutchins_wk: even if i'm not keeping logs? is there a way to avoid this? |
| 15:48.14 | jhutchins_wk | spooky: I'm not familiar with either of those apps, I use irssi which is pretty solid. |
| 15:48.28 | spooky | omg |
| 15:48.29 | spooky | haha |
| 15:48.42 | spooky | everytime i have a problem with an irc program someone recommends another |
| 15:48.49 | spooky | i guess i will try irssi next :S |
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| 15:50.00 | catbehemoth | Need someone to confirm to me that if I install a backported kernel on jessie I can still boot from the regular kernel as well? (new kernel is supposed to help with docker so I am willing to try, but dont want to be stuck with the new one if it doesnt resolve my problem) |
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| 15:51.01 | mtn | catbehemoth: yes, you can |
| 15:51.15 | petn-randall | catbehemoth: Yes, it'll just install a 2nd kernel next to the first. You'll have an option to pick the old kernel from grub. |
| 15:52.39 | catbehemoth | petn-randall: and removing it will be as easy as apt-get purge linux-iamge.... |
| 15:52.43 | catbehemoth | ? |
| 15:53.24 | petn-randall | catbehemoth: yes, just pick the right kernel to purge ;) |
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| 15:56.18 | Milchy | i wonder if my problem could be that |
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| 15:56.35 | Milchy | the 8083 port is working, because in the netstat i see that thing listening on 0.0.0.0 8083 |
| 15:56.46 | Milchy | while the :80 thingy is listening... on some weird ass ip |
| 15:56.59 | petn-randall | define "weird ass ip" |
| 15:57.08 | Milchy | 10.0.2.17 |
| 15:57.16 | Milchy | doesnt look like 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:57.21 | Milchy | or 192.168.0.x type |
| 15:57.26 | Milchy | what the hell is it |
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| 15:57.41 | asterismo | is there anyway to run the network hardware detection in the system again? |
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| 15:57.55 | asterismo | maybe i have some module missing? |
| 15:58.04 | petn-randall | Milchy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network#Private_IPv6_addresses |
| 15:58.26 | petn-randall | Milchy: If it was 127.0.0.1 you wouldn't be able to access it from the host since that is the loopback address. |
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| 15:58.43 | Milchy | well i want to change it to 0.0.0.0 and see what happens |
| 15:58.53 | Milchy | though i have no idea where i can do that |
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| 16:01.46 | jhutchins_wk | asterismo: If lspci doesn't see an unidentified device chances are the hardware has failed. |
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| 16:04.42 | jhutchins_wk | asterismo: Doesn't show up with ifconfig -a? |
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| 16:04.59 | riccoo | Shadow_7: RANDR Query Version returned error -1 |
| 16:05.38 | Shadow_7 | riccoo: which command? xbacklight? |
| 16:06.51 | asterismo | jhutchins_wk: no |
| 16:07.19 | Shadow_7 | asterismo: do you have missing firmware? $ dmesg | grep -i firm |
| 16:07.33 | asterismo | jhutchins_wk: but it was until yesterday and the machine has not been subjected to any bad practice, it was everything after the recovery boot |
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| 16:08.41 | asterismo | Shadow_7: https://paste.undernet.uy/view/b839bd6f |
| 16:09.01 | asterismo | jhutchins_wk: it does not show in ifconfig -a |
| 16:09.09 | asterismo | it dissapeared! |
| 16:10.22 | Shadow_7 | usb connected? unplug replug? |
| 16:10.53 | catbehemoth | petn-randall: thanks |
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| 16:11.08 | asterismo | Shadow_7: me? i have a Tenda usb wifi now, because i cannot use the ethernet card |
| 16:11.26 | asterismo | that is the firmware shown in dmesg |
| 16:11.56 | Shadow_7 | firmware from package firmware-ralink |
| 16:13.27 | asterismo | Shadow_7: i installed it |
| 16:13.29 | asterismo | and nothing |
| 16:13.43 | Shadow_7 | I have a linksys usb3 gig ethernet. Two actually. One of them tends to get hot and goes away, until you unplug and replug it. At least on windows |
| 16:13.47 | asterismo | does it store firmware in /lib/firmware? |
| 16:14.31 | asterismo | i have the Realtek onboard gigabit ethernet of this card, ASUS M5A99X-EVO |
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| 16:14.52 | petn-randall | Milchy: Woops, that should have been https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network#Private_IPv4_address_spaces |
| 16:15.22 | Shadow_7 | asterismo: probably firmware-realtek for that one |
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| 16:15.35 | asterismo | Shadow_7: yes, and i have it installed |
| 16:15.58 | Shadow_7 | should show up in lspci or lsusb depending on where it's connected |
| 16:15.59 | asterismo | sudo apt-get install firmware-realtek --reinstall == |
| 16:16.01 | asterismo | ?? |
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| 16:16.26 | asterismo | should i try a backported kernel?¡ |
| 16:16.31 | Shadow_7 | asterismo: if you're at that stage, your filesystem has failed you. or you've done naughty things |
| 16:16.58 | Milchy | goddamn it, i still cant reach it =/ |
| 16:16.59 | asterismo | Shadow_7: lol |
| 16:17.14 | Shadow_7 | asterismo: you might try git -ing the latest firmware from kernel.org and swapping it out for that. |
| 16:17.42 | Shadow_7 | my rtl8723be needs newer firmware than debian provides to be useful longer than two hours |
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| 16:18.40 | jhutchins_wk | asterismo: If it's not showing up firmware isn't going to make a difference. |
| 16:19.10 | asterismo | https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M5A99X_EVO/specifications/ |
| 16:19.16 | asterismo | Realtek® 8111E , 1 x Gigabit LAN |
| 16:19.26 | jhutchins_wk | asterismo: I would investigate the hardware. Check the BIOS, check for a kill switch (rfkill _might_ see it if it's off). |
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| 16:19.34 | asterismo | will see if i have all these files |
| 16:19.36 | asterismo | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/firmware-realtek/filelist |
| 16:19.56 | asterismo | jhutchins_wk: kill switch? |
| 16:20.12 | asterismo | on the board? |
| 16:20.23 | asterismo | like a jumper setting? |
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| 16:21.04 | jhutchins_wk | Nah, not on a desktop MB. On a laptop maybe. |
| 16:21.16 | asterismo | its a desktop mobo |
| 16:21.29 | jhutchins_wk | asterismo: They're not modular either, the chipset is integrated, so it's not like there's a loose wire or anything. |
| 16:21.58 | jhutchins_wk | asterismo: So either there's something in the BIOS or the hardware has just died. |
| 16:22.06 | Shadow_7 | asterismo: https://unixblogger.com/2016/08/11/how-to-get-your-realtek-rtl8111rtl8168-working-updated-guide/ |
| 16:22.24 | jhutchins_wk | asterismo: On-board Realteks use less than $2 worth of hardware. |
| 16:23.07 | asterismo | jhutchins_wk: yeah |
| 16:23.22 | asterismo | but i want to get out the wifi and use ethernet |
| 16:23.23 | Shadow_7 | seems it's got proprietary drivers, not in certain things. Need the non-free repos and $ sudo apt-get install r8168-dkms |
| 16:23.25 | asterismo | damn |
| 16:23.43 | asterismo | i have enabled that repo |
| 16:23.49 | asterismo | contrib non-free |
| 16:23.56 | asterismo | but i have no such package |
| 16:24.09 | asterismo | r8168-dkms |
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| 16:25.27 | Shadow_7 | might be the ubuntu way |
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| 16:26.45 | asterismo | Shadow_7: that package is for Sid |
| 16:27.03 | asterismo | i'm running jessie |
| 16:27.08 | asterismo | should i install it? |
| 16:27.28 | Shadow_7 | asterismo: probably have to go the manual route with a source tarball |
| 16:28.26 | Shadow_7 | asterismo: assuming it shows up in lspci... $ lspci -nnk | grep -i 8111 |
| 16:28.32 | asterismo | Shadow_7: it depends upon dkms 2.1.0.0 and jessie has the 2.2.0.3-2 |
| 16:30.16 | Shadow_7 | asterismo: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=13&PFid=5&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false#2 |
| 16:30.20 | Shadow_7 | for the driver |
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| 16:31.57 | asterismo | brb |
| 16:32.06 | Shadow_7 | asterismo: 0009-r8168-8.044.02.tar.bz2 is the name it seems |
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| 16:34.25 | Milchy | this seems weird |
| 16:34.36 | Milchy | i hosted apache on port 1025 |
| 16:34.41 | Milchy | and now i can access it |
| 16:34.49 | Milchy | but not on port 80, whyy ??? |
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| 16:35.01 | Shadow_7 | hosted as a user? |
| 16:35.15 | Milchy | i just set apache to listen on port 1025 instead of 80 |
| 16:35.15 | Shadow_7 | ports <= 1024 have to be hosted as root |
| 16:35.37 | Milchy | how do that so people can access it via port 80 ? |
| 16:35.50 | Shadow_7 | could also be blocked by ISP / firewall |
| 16:36.05 | Milchy | i have 80 in my iptables |
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| 16:36.26 | Milchy | strangely enough i dont have 1025, but it still works |
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| 16:36.48 | Milchy | how do i "host as root" |
| 16:36.56 | Milchy | the machine just starts apache service automatically |
| 16:37.09 | Milchy | once i log in to my user |
| 16:37.14 | Shadow_7 | Milchy: what use netstat when it starts |
| 16:37.26 | Shadow_7 | should show it listening and what port |
| 16:37.35 | Milchy | its listening on 0.0.0.0:1025 now |
| 16:37.44 | Milchy | 0.0.0.0:80 was not accesible |
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| 16:38.14 | Milchy | http://87.92.9.130:1025/ |
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| 16:38.27 | Milchy | but when set to default(80) |
| 16:38.31 | Milchy | its not reachable |
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| 16:38.58 | Shadow_7 | consumer ISP connection ? could be blocked by the ISP |
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| 16:39.18 | Milchy | this "host" as root might work, but i have no idea what you mean |
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| 16:39.29 | Milchy | no isp isnt blocking anything |
| 16:39.37 | Shadow_7 | Milchy: should be default at least for the listener |
| 16:39.40 | riccoo_ | Shadow_7: yes xbacklight |
| 16:39.44 | troulouliou_div2 | hi it seems like the live folder from the install iso has diseppear ; can somebody post me a working pxeboot syslinux default conf for debian isntall cd |
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| 16:40.11 | Milchy | what did you mean that <1024 ports should be hosted as root |
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| 16:41.21 | troulouliou_div2 | Milchy, only root can open an listening socket on priv port ( < 1024) |
| 16:41.23 | Shadow_7 | Milchy: only root can do things with those ports. like if you were doing netcat stuff. nc 192.168.2.2 5900 < file.txt ... nc -l -w 300 -p 5900 > file.txt ... for send and receive. |
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| 16:41.47 | Shadow_7 | Milchy: as normal users it would fail if port was <= 1024 instead of 5900 |
| 16:41.58 | Milchy | if my netstat showed that its listening on 80 previously, does that mean it was ok ? |
| 16:42.29 | Milchy | im not sure what this root thing means, the apache service is auto start up once i log to my user |
| 16:42.32 | Shadow_7 | it should have been. but there could be selinux and other things in the way |
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| 16:43.09 | Milchy | is there a way to check what was in the way ? |
| 16:43.09 | Shadow_7 | Should start up when the computer boots? it's a daemon |
| 16:43.28 | Shadow_7 | Milchy: tcpdump to see if it's getting :80 packets |
| 16:43.39 | Shadow_7 | or if it never knocks on the door |
| 16:44.32 | Milchy | no 80's in sight |
| 16:44.37 | Shadow_7 | if not, then blocked at the network. |
| 16:45.00 | Milchy | how do i check that then |
| 16:45.25 | Shadow_7 | a lot of hosters just do :8080 for http |
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| 16:45.49 | Shadow_7 | You need like a business line connection to host lower ports |
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| 16:46.04 | Milchy | so how do i make it so when people type in my ip they would go where i want |
| 16:46.12 | Milchy | fine ill leave it on 1025 |
| 16:46.19 | Milchy | but how do i make it so people wont have to type in that 1025 |
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| 16:46.33 | jhutchins_wk | !rt8111 |
| 16:46.43 | Shadow_7 | you could pay for hosting services. Or some other middle man that forwards to a usable port. |
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| 16:47.44 | Shadow_7 | Milchy: 8080 would be a more "expected" port |
| 16:47.56 | Milchy | yes but you dont normaly type in google.com:8080 |
| 16:48.03 | Milchy | or anysite:8080 for that mater |
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| 16:48.31 | jhutchins_wk | Milchy: If you changed 80 to 1025 apache would no longer listen on 80. |
| 16:48.33 | Shadow_7 | Milchy: then you'll need some middle man thing on the other side of your ISP connection |
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| 16:49.55 | jhutchins_wk | Milchy: You would have to have something listening on 80 that forwarded to 1025. It could theoretically be on the same server, they do that a lot with java webapps. |
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| 16:50.14 | Shadow_7 | Milchy: perhaps some guides and hints on sites like noip, dyndns, and whatevers |
| 16:50.23 | jhutchins_wk | Milchy: It's possible to listen on multiple ports (ie 80/http & 443/https). |
| 16:50.52 | Milchy | my problem is that debian doesnt let people past <1024 ports to my apache |
| 16:51.11 | Milchy | yet this 101 internet, people install apache and make it work 24/7 |
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| 16:51.20 | Milchy | im either missing something or... i dont know... |
| 16:51.41 | Shadow_7 | Milchy: could be a firewall thing. If it works on 1025, it should work on 80 |
| 16:52.09 | Shadow_7 | or a vm thing or however your have your thing configured |
| 16:52.32 | jhutchins_wk | Milchy: No, it's not debian. |
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| 16:52.51 | Milchy | i changed it to 1025 and it worked? |
| 16:53.02 | jhutchins_wk | Milchy: If you're running a firewall that could be blocking 80. |
| 16:53.10 | Milchy | 80 is in the iptables |
| 16:53.17 | Shadow_7 | or the ISP is blocking it |
| 16:53.47 | jhutchins_wk | Milchy: I would ASK the provider, probably check their FAQ first. |
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| 16:54.45 | jhutchins_wk | Milchy: Also look at the logs and see if there's some reason apache is not liking port 80 - like it's defined twice and "already in use". apachectl -t is useful to check your config files. |
| 16:55.16 | jhutchins_wk | Milchy: You could pastebin your IPTables rules and let us check them. |
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| 16:56.08 | Milchy | http://pastebin.com/feksrmdb |
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| 16:56.58 | Milchy | i even forgot to type in 1025 |
| 16:57.00 | Milchy | which is working fine |
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| 16:59.02 | jhutchins_wk | Milchy: Yeah, I'm pretty rusty, but I don't see a rule that would allow 1025, which suggests that your script isn't working. |
| 16:59.46 | troulouliou_div2 | hi here is my syslinux pxe entry for debian ; it boots but then it complains that it can't fnd the cdrom; is there a trick to mount dthe NFS partition as a cd ? |
| 16:59.46 | troulouliou_div2 | https://bpaste.net/show/7a5f889ba5e5 |
| 17:00.10 | Milchy | what does -A INPUT -s 127.0.0.1/32 -j ACCEPT |
| 17:00.11 | Milchy | mean ? |
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| 17:00.50 | mdim | hi all |
| 17:00.57 | Shadow_7 | troulouliou_div2: if it just wants that to get the .deb. You could just pre-emptively copy the .debs to /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 17:01.06 | mdim | how do I find out when was this package the last time in Debian Stretch? https://packages.debian.org/sid/libui-dialog-perl |
| 17:01.21 | troulouliou_div2 | Shadow_7, no i want to have a bootable over pxe dvd |
| 17:01.22 | jhutchins_wk | Milchy: I believe it means that if the source is 127.0.0.1 (localhost) accept all. |
| 17:01.31 | mdim | I'm aware of snapshot.debian.org, but I'm not sure how to find this information there |
| 17:02.27 | jhutchins_wk | Milchy: I also don't see a rule that would allow 80 from anything but 10.0.2.15 - but 1025 would also be allowed from 10.0.2.15 |
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| 17:05.04 | Milchy | so if i add |
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| 17:05.17 | Milchy | -A INPUT -s 0.0.0.0/0 -j ACCEPT |
| 17:05.22 | Milchy | would that fix my problems? |
| 17:05.39 | Shadow_7 | allow anything from everything ? |
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| 17:06.07 | Milchy | yes |
| 17:06.19 | Milchy | if that doesnt work, what other options do i have lol |
| 17:06.36 | Shadow_7 | the /# thing is the netmask. it would be effectively the same as iptables -X && iptables -F |
| 17:07.11 | Shadow_7 | plus that for all the -t ???? things |
| 17:07.26 | Milchy | -A INPUT -s 0.0.0.0/0 -j ACCEPT, didnt help |
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| 17:08.21 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
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| 17:08.56 | Shadow_7 | unemployed with a big fat severence? |
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| 17:11.15 | Milchy | so if my apache is listening on 1025 |
| 17:11.24 | Milchy | and now i see theres something listening on 80 |
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| 17:11.29 | Milchy | how do i find out what that something is |
| 17:11.43 | somiaj | Milchy: netstat -a will list all open ports |
| 17:11.52 | somiaj | note it lists sockest as well, there are ways to isolate it to just tcp |
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| 17:12.14 | Milchy | i want to know whats listening on :80. -an told me that |
| 17:12.41 | Shadow_7 | Milchy: netstat -tulpan |
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| 17:14.08 | Milchy | nginx.conf |
| 17:14.54 | Milchy | wait, 1025 is also nginx.conf |
| 17:14.57 | Milchy | what the... |
| 17:15.21 | Skandalist | I use Thunar and I can see video thumbnails except mpg files. What could it be? |
| 17:16.01 | kingkong | what's the mpfr package name ? libmpfr4-dbg ? |
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| 17:16.10 | jhutchins_wk | Milchy: You can also flush all the rules and run with nothing. |
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| 17:16.45 | jhutchins_wk | Milchy: I think netstat -anp shows PID or process name. |
| 17:16.53 | Shadow_7 | kingkong: libmpfr4 ...in debian jessie |
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| 17:17.28 | jhutchins_wk | Skandalist: Whatever is extracting the thumbnails doesn't have the MPEG codec, probably for license reasons. |
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| 17:18.03 | Milchy | ok so, 1025 opens my webpage, netstat is telling me this: apache is on 8080, and nginx.conf is on 1025 AND 80 |
| 17:18.21 | kingkong | Shadow_7: thanks. 4 refers to version 4 ? |
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| 17:18.43 | Skandalist | can additional plugin packages help? I can play mpg in mplayer, for example |
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| 17:18.56 | jhutchins_wk | ,v libmpfr4 |
| 17:18.59 | judd | Package: libmpfr4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.1.0-5; jessie: 3.1.2-2; sid: 3.1.5-1; stretch: 3.1.5-1 |
| 17:19.17 | riccoo_ | Shadow_7? |
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| 17:19.35 | jhutchins_wk | Skandalist: Not sure what Thunar uses to extract the images. You'd have to look at their docs. |
| 17:19.56 | jhutchins_wk | Skandalist: It probably uses something else rather than extracting them itself. |
| 17:20.02 | kingkong | ok thanks |
| 17:20.29 | Skandalist | thanks anyway |
| 17:20.30 | Shadow_7 | Perhaps it nees mjpegtools to get thumbnails |
| 17:20.54 | jhutchins_wk | I wouldn't go just throwing random packages at it. |
| 17:21.13 | Shadow_7 | strace and other methods to see what it's looking for. |
| 17:22.46 | jhutchins_wk | Shadow_7: Or documentation. |
| 17:23.11 | Shadow_7 | Where's the adventure in that? |
| 17:23.13 | altyr | mdim: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libui-dialog-perl |
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| 17:46.33 | rx777 | Hey, what should I install in order to display some special characters on Firefox? |
| 17:46.43 | rx777 | Like these ones, for example https://www.copyshrug.com/ |
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| 17:51.36 | Shadow_7 | rx777: in the sources it go tos a google font or two. Lato, Arvo. I guess it depends on where you want to "display" the characters |
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| 17:52.34 | rx777 | Shadow_7: I just want to display the characters from the box in the center |
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| 17:52.48 | rx777 | I didn't have this problem on XFCE, but I do on i3 |
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| 17:53.43 | Shadow_7 | rx777: looks like ¯\_(# )_/¯ in normal fonts |
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| 17:58.21 | Shadow_7 | rx777: katakana from a japanese syllabary, so a kaomoji. &shrug; |
| 17:58.27 | rx777 | Shadow_7: seems like I was missing Unicode fonts, installed unifont and the problem is now solved. |
| 17:58.41 | rx777 | (not sure about the first part though) |
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| 18:40.02 | stoned | I tried to run KDE's partition manager using kdesudo and it says can't open display 0 |
| 18:40.12 | stoned | I can run any administrative kde apps |
| 18:40.27 | stoned | just instlled debian kde cd1 |
| 18:41.18 | c-c | stoned: maybe kdesudo isnt in whatever display manager group |
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| 18:42.50 | w00dsman | xhost + |
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| 18:43.59 | stoned | w00dsman: xhost + says can't open display (as root) |
| 18:44.34 | w00dsman | sudo !! |
| 18:44.46 | stoned | what? |
| 18:44.51 | w00dsman | sudo xhost + |
| 18:44.54 | gftg | stoned: Can you run xhost + as a regular user (not root) |
| 18:45.11 | w00dsman | sorry, the "!!" is a shell command to repeat the previous command |
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| 18:45.40 | Shadow_7 | stoned: xhost local: ..... as the user who started X. |
| 18:46.00 | gftg | stoned: Last time I used sxhot +, I used it as a regular user, then became root, then opening x was allowed. |
| 18:46.02 | stoned | Oh |
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| 18:46.12 | stoned | I dont understand anything |
| 18:46.16 | stoned | It's been so long. |
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| 18:46.44 | Shadow_7 | Basically X sharing disabled by default these days |
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| 18:46.52 | gftg | stoned: As your regular user, run "xhost +" |
| 18:47.07 | gftg | stoned: become root with, e.g.: "sudo su -" |
| 18:47.16 | stoned | ok |
| 18:47.32 | gftg | stoned: Then open the graphical program |
| 18:47.53 | gftg | (At least, that's what I used to do) |
| 18:49.07 | Shadow_7 | You might have to set $DISPLAY depending on environment |
| 18:49.17 | gftg | Indeed |
| 18:50.45 | Shadow_7 | Alternatively you can copy the ~/.Xauthority of the user who started X to ~/ of other users and chmod it. Plus DISPLAY and stuff for the save effect. If you don't trust xauth / xhost / and other routes. |
| 18:51.03 | Shadow_7 | s/save/same/ |
| 18:51.46 | Shadow_7 | And then there's sharing with a chroot... what a mess that is now with systemd. |
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| 18:57.16 | Shadow_7 | Oh yeah, and set $XAUTHORITY to the full path of said .Xauthority file. Used to not have to do that. |
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| 19:34.51 | trumpy_ | anyone have a link to a list of debian irc, like different topics? |
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| 19:37.16 | jhutchins_wk | trumpy_: Google does! https://wiki.debian.org/IRC/ |
| 19:37.17 | Shadow_7 | trumpy_: like different channels? #debian-offtopic #debian ... and oftc ... #debian-next #debian-arm |
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| 19:39.05 | trumpy_ | yes, thanks i couldnt thikn of the word.. channels |
| 19:39.11 | trumpy_ | and thanks for link |
| 19:39.14 | jhutchins_wk | Shadow_7: There are a LOT of channels. All are on oftc.net, #debian and -offtopic are duplicated here. |
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| 19:40.16 | abishai | trumpy_: may I also suggetst #america_1st best channel out there! |
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| 19:40.34 | trumpy_ | haha |
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| 20:04.53 | noqnio1 | hey. There was a power outage during an update, and gnome-themes-standard is corrupted. I cannot even remove it. I tried clean, autoclean, dpkg configure, apt --fix-broken-install and nothing worked... Any ideas? |
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| 20:06.23 | c-c | noqnio1: did you try purge? 8) |
| 20:06.26 | Shadow_7 | noqnio1: rm the /var/cache/apt/archives/...gnome...deb |
| 20:06.37 | Shadow_7 | noqnio1: and then apt-get install --reinstall ...gnome...deb |
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| 20:07.20 | noqnio1 | @Shadow_7: did not work :/ |
| 20:07.32 | c-c | apt-get purge gnome-... |
| 20:07.32 | noqnio1 | @c-c I am afraid it will remove gnome itself |
| 20:07.40 | Shadow_7 | noqnio1: how about... dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/...gnome...deb |
| 20:07.56 | c-c | noqnio1: so you didn't "remove" either... |
| 20:08.04 | noqnio1 | apt-get doesnt work |
| 20:08.17 | noqnio1 | complains about broken packages |
| 20:08.20 | c-c | ok, you should have said so |
| 20:08.20 | Shadow_7 | noqnio1: did you try apt-get -f install |
| 20:08.24 | noqnio1 | yes |
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| 20:08.46 | noqnio1 | apt-get simply refuses to do anything |
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| 20:09.00 | c-c | thats not an error message I've heard of so cannot help there |
| 20:09.17 | noqnio1 | Shadow, dpkg -i didnt work either |
| 20:09.17 | Shadow_7 | noqnio1: what is it's complaints? |
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| 20:09.33 | noqnio1 | dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-themes-standard-data |
| 20:09.33 | dpkg | noqnio1: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 20:09.47 | noqnio1 | unable to open '/usr/share/themes/Adwaita-dark/gtk-3.0/gtk.css.dpkg-new': No such file or directory |
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| 20:09.59 | Shadow_7 | noqnio1: sometimes you need to cp ....old .... for things in /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 20:10.53 | noqnio1 | what do you mean? |
| 20:10.54 | Shadow_7 | noqnio1: did you fsck the filesystem after the crash? |
| 20:11.21 | noqnio1 | not really, doesn't it happen at boot time? |
| 20:11.36 | Shadow_7 | noqnio1: depends on your /etc/fstab and the fs |
| 20:11.50 | Shadow_7 | noqnio1: does apt-get update function? |
| 20:11.50 | noqnio1 | it was a clean shutdown, I just forgot i was upgrading and switched over real fast |
| 20:12.00 | noqnio1 | update yes, upgrade no |
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| 20:12.19 | unborn | noqnio1: just backup everything included log files, and then just re install. its your best bet to get your system back working again. then you can go back and investigate the log files what went wrong. I guess your gui does not work but terminal works - if so, back it up and reinstall, then restore your system and have look at log files... |
| 20:12.38 | c-c | reinstall for one corrupted package? Wow |
| 20:12.40 | Shadow_7 | noqnio1: perhaps apt-get install --reinstall apt |
| 20:12.57 | unborn | c-c: no, reinstall of whole system |
| 20:13.02 | noqnio1 | nope, it refuses to do that as well |
| 20:13.10 | noqnio1 | @unborn: yeah id rather not do that!! |
| 20:13.10 | Shadow_7 | c-c: sometimes it is the "faster" solution |
| 20:13.13 | unborn | ....i was not talking about packages at all. |
| 20:13.13 | c-c | unborn: kind of wild when you don't even know whats wrong |
| 20:13.39 | unborn | c-c, did you read what I just typed? keep the logs |
| 20:13.43 | Shadow_7 | or at least the known the work solution |
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| 20:13.49 | unborn | noqnio1: sure. |
| 20:14.01 | c-c | unborn: sure, the leg is broken, transplant the head on a new body |
| 20:14.04 | jhutchins_wk | noqnio1: Did you check/repair the filesystem |
| 20:14.12 | apt-get__ | hello |
| 20:14.19 | unborn | noqnio1: have look at your log files.. |
| 20:14.28 | noqnio1 | when i try to aptitude remove gnome-themes-standard it is trying to remove gnome-core and task-gnome-desktop |
| 20:14.28 | unborn | they will tell you what went wrong |
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| 20:14.34 | noqnio1 | which id rather it didn't |
| 20:15.00 | c-c | So, you didn't remove anythging. |
| 20:15.07 | c-c | You didn't purge anything either, noqnio1 |
| 20:15.14 | noqnio1 | it did not work |
| 20:15.19 | noqnio1 | apt-get refuses to do anything |
| 20:15.28 | c-c | noqnio1: there is no "it did not work" error for me |
| 20:15.31 | unborn | c-c: I have no idea what legs or heads you are on about, but logs will tell him.. logs are there to help troubleshoot. |
| 20:15.37 | c-c | noqnio1: only pastebins/gists of your session |
| 20:15.46 | noqnio1 | I pasted the message |
| 20:15.53 | noqnio1 | 10:09:33 |
| 20:16.13 | c-c | noqnio1: pastebin or gist |
| 20:16.21 | c-c | noqnio1: or listen to people like unborn |
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| 20:16.48 | c-c | noqnio1: you need an analytical exact approach or forget it |
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| 20:17.39 | Golleul | hello, |
| 20:17.55 | noqnio1 | http://pastebin.com/y9qgf8kz |
| 20:17.56 | Golleul | Please honestly tell me which debian are you guys using. stable or testing or unstable? |
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| 20:18.49 | c-c | noqnio1, as root # dpkg --configure -a |
| 20:18.56 | hicks_ | all three. |
| 20:19.01 | jolt | Stable on servers. testing/unstable on desktops |
| 20:19.09 | Shadow_7 | noqnio1: if you intend to install it... try this: dpkg --purge --force-all gnome-themes-standard && apt-get install gnome-themese-standard |
| 20:19.26 | Shadow_7 | noqnio1: the dpkg route doesn't grab all of the parents |
| 20:19.30 | c-c | That looks smart too ^ |
| 20:19.32 | hicks_ | I'm using stable on servers, testing/unstable on a laptop (two installs) and stable on a desktop I mainly use for work |
| 20:19.57 | c-c | Golleul: stable usually, sometimes install stuff from testing |
| 20:19.58 | noqnio1 | if i purge gnome-themes-standard will gnome remain? |
| 20:20.19 | hicks_ | Golleul: is there a reason for your curiosity? Are you trying to decide which to go with? |
| 20:20.25 | Shadow_7 | yes, but it may not function without it. Not that it matters if step 2 is to put it back |
| 20:20.56 | c-c | Shadow_7: use --force-depends noqnio1 |
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| 20:21.30 | unborn | Golleul: just the one I need :) |
| 20:21.33 | Golleul | hicks_, yes. Actually I am trying to install kali (which is based on debian) but it doesn't boot. so screw it. I am looking for stable distro that I can work for years without re installing. debian comes in my mind |
| 20:21.40 | unborn | stable 8.7 |
| 20:21.48 | Shadow_7 | Golleul: stable. Unless you have a need for newer things. I started using testing (which is current stable), due to glibc and kernel versions. But stable is good enough for my 2yo laptop now. |
| 20:21.48 | hicks_ | I'd say start with stable |
| 20:21.55 | hicks_ | move to others if you have a good reason |
| 20:22.04 | hicks_ | but if you don't, stable is lower maintainance |
| 20:22.22 | Golleul | but I will be losing updated packages which I might need for development. such as gcc gdb etc. |
| 20:22.23 | hicks_ | and you can pickup the odd newer application version via backports if you have a need |
| 20:22.23 | noqnio1 | @shadow didnt work |
| 20:22.23 | noqnio1 | :/ |
| 20:22.32 | noqnio1 | neither c-c's suggestion |
| 20:22.38 | hicks_ | my desktop is on stable and I use it for dev daily, it's not really a prob |
| 20:22.45 | Shadow_7 | noqnio1: same error, or different one? |
| 20:22.48 | c-c | Shadow_7: noqnio1 if apt-get purge isn't ok, try # dpkg --purge package-name --ignore-depends=package-name |
| 20:22.54 | noqnio1 | same error when i try to install |
| 20:23.01 | hicks_ | was a minor issue around the c++11 rollout when a newer llvm was needed |
| 20:23.03 | c-c | noqnio1: and yeah, gist or pastebin or forget |
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| 20:23.18 | hicks_ | but that was backportable, so easy enough to work around the odd application |
| 20:23.19 | Shadow_7 | noqnio1: did you pastebin the full output? |
| 20:23.30 | noqnio1 | yes, exactly the same as before |
| 20:23.39 | hicks_ | plus you can "upgrade" from stable to testing or unstable |
| 20:24.21 | c-c | You can install things from testing on stable |
| 20:24.25 | hicks_ | and can always do the stable->testing->next stable if you really need to get some extra packages that can't be backported and dont mind running testing (via the next-stable name) for a little while |
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| 20:25.12 | hicks_ | c-c: I thought it was better to go via backports then they've been built against the same libs as stable? |
| 20:25.17 | Shadow_7 | noqnio1: do the same thing on gnome-core and arc-theme. dpkg --purge --force-all gnome-themes-standard gnome-core arc-theme; apt-get install gnome-themes-standard gnome-core arc-theme |
| 20:25.21 | c-c | hicks_: sure |
| 20:25.21 | hicks_ | depending on the package that is |
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| 20:25.51 | Shadow_7 | noqnio1: you'll probably want to be on a non-gui console for that if you're currently using gnome |
| 20:25.56 | noqnio1 | i removed /usr/share/themes/Adwaita-dark/gtk-3.0 |
| 20:26.07 | noqnio1 | and it worked |
| 20:26.33 | noqnio1 | i don't know why, and frankly i don't care!!! |
| 20:26.40 | noqnio1 | thank you both for your help |
| 20:26.59 | c-c | gl! |
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| 20:27.48 | FatalNIX | is there a reason why using useradd to add a user and -p to set a password for that user would store the password you type plain text in the shadow file? |
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| 20:27.53 | FatalNIX | (obviously preventing login) |
| 20:28.20 | jhutchins_wk | FatalNIX: Which release? |
| 20:28.25 | Shadow_7 | noqnio1: probably want to --reinstall gnome-themes-standard-data too, which contains that part |
| 20:29.03 | noqnio1 | I did. thanks :) |
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| 20:30.31 | greycat | some of the user admin commands expect you to supply a hashed password, not a plaintext password |
| 20:30.38 | FatalNIX | jhutchins_wk: 8.7.something |
| 20:30.49 | Shadow_7 | FatalNIX: adduser is the other option that might be better |
| 20:30.49 | FatalNIX | arch and centos7 also seems to be affected.. |
| 20:31.05 | greycat | "affected" by "I didn't read the man page" |
| 20:31.38 | FatalNIX | nope, followed the man page |
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| 20:31.48 | FatalNIX | greycat: so go skin a cat :P |
| 20:32.13 | greycat | useradd(8) says "-p, --password PASSWORD The encrypted password, as returned by crypt(3)." |
| 20:32.17 | greycat | Which man page are YOU reading? |
| 20:32.40 | FatalNIX | not the debian one.. |
| 20:32.46 | Shadow_7 | why not use passwd to change the password? |
| 20:33.06 | greycat | Because then he wouldn't be able to bitch about how it didn't do what he naively expected! |
| 20:33.17 | jhutchins_wk | FatalNIX: It's an old utility. It expects you to manually encrypt the password so that it's secure when you enter it (and it's logged in your history). |
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| 20:38.13 | FatalNIX | thanks though |
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| 21:06.13 | Neph | Hi. I am running testing (kernel 4.5.0) and I either need to get rid of predictable network interface names (tried the kernel boot options to no avail already) or find a way to configure the first ethernet device statically, no matter on which hardware I boot. Ideas welcome. |
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| 21:11.50 | somiaj | Neph: testing hasn't used kernel 4.5 for a while, you should make sure you are running current stretch packages. |
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| 21:12.35 | somiaj | there are ways to default to the 'classic' naming version, how are you installing on the other machines such that the interface name isn't allow to be configured to be static? |
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| 21:14.58 | Neph | I'll upgrade and reboot. Will take a while, this is a USB stick that I created for automatic image-deployment. Hence the need to apply the same network config to random interfaces. |
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| 21:16.31 | Neph | biosdevname=0 and net.ifnames=0 in /etc/default/grub:GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT |
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| 21:29.39 | somiaj | Neph: give some more details, you are running off of a usb and you want the usb to give an internet connection to any interface it finds on different machines (sounds like you want to use some live system) or are you copying this image to the machine and want it to automatically assign the primary interface an ip? |
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| 21:31.06 | somiaj | Neph: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ -- scroll down to 'How do I disable this?' on ways to disable the predectiable names and use either the classic method or develop your own naming method |
| 21:31.42 | somiaj | hmm, net.ifnames=0 should have worked, did this nto work, again try on the current 4.9 kernel |
| 21:31.57 | Neph | Have tried it, thanks, does not work. Will try again after upgrading to latest testing. |
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| 21:33.06 | jhutchins_wk | Neph: Some of that stuff is evolving faster than it's being documented. Try to find newer docs. (kernel.org). |
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| 21:34.50 | romanosaurius_re | Hi. Question regarding iptables-save. Can I combine the output of two iptables-save files into a single one ? |
| 21:35.57 | greycat | That may be more of a #netfilter question. |
| 21:36.14 | greycat | I would assume it's not trivial to do so. |
| 21:36.31 | romanosaurius_re | not easy so far... |
| 21:36.36 | romanosaurius_re | will ping them! |
| 21:36.39 | romanosaurius_re | thanks |
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| 22:12.54 | sloucher | Will Stretch eventually have kernel 4.10 ? |
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| 22:15.05 | Brigo | sloucher, yes |
| 22:15.10 | Brigo | ,kernels |
| 22:15.11 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.9.2-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-2) |
| 22:15.30 | greycat | Brigo: based on what? Last I saw, 4.9 LTS was the choice. |
| 22:15.31 | sloucher | Ty Brigo |
| 22:15.57 | Brigo | sloucher, backports, jessie already has 4.9 |
| 22:15.58 | greycat | https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2016/08/msg00099.html |
| 22:16.07 | sloucher | I thinking about getting Kabylake processor for a Stretch build. You think that is wise? |
| 22:16.11 | greycat | jessie has 3.16. |
| 22:16.11 | Brigo | 4.10 is in the oven (experimental). :) |
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| 22:16.47 | Brigo | sloucher, i don't know even what you are talking about :D |
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| 22:17.20 | sloucher | the cpu - intel kabylake is the newest one. I think it's a month or two old. |
| 22:17.22 | missmbob | sloucher: sure. i'd suggest using 4.10 kernel though |
| 22:17.58 | PacoMS95 | hi people! I want to update my intel hd graphics 520 but there is no official driver on the official page |
| 22:18.07 | sloucher | right missmbob - that is why I asked. Sounds like 4.10 will make it down? |
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| 22:18.40 | PacoMS95 | seems like Debian does not recognice the graphic card |
| 22:18.41 | missmbob | sloucher: to stretch-backports when it's released. or you can just get it from sid later. or build your own. |
| 22:18.45 | sloucher | They announced it would be 4.10 I believe. |
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| 22:18.54 | missmbob | sloucher: 4.9 |
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| 22:19.56 | PacoMS95 | the issue came from a problem I had trying to run OBS Studio |
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| 22:20.54 | missmbob | sloucher: keep in mind 4.9 will work. just 4.10 has specify kabylake fixes you'll want |
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| 22:22.10 | sloucher | missmbob: I bet we read the same article. |
| 22:22.44 | missmbob | sloucher: anyway point is getting 4.10 will be simple. go for it if you can afford it |
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| 22:23.41 | sloucher | I think I will. Kabylake here I come! Thanks missmbob |
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| 22:27.08 | gmh | Can I install a specific package only from testing/unstable? |
| 22:27.16 | c-c | yes |
| 22:27.24 | c-c | gmh: perhaps you should google that first? |
| 22:27.24 | somiaj | if running stable I would not do that |
| 22:27.24 | missmbob | !tell gmh about jessie-backports |
| 22:27.35 | missmbob | !tell gmh about dont break debian |
| 22:27.42 | c-c | gmh: backports are what most use |
| 22:27.47 | somiaj | if running stable you should either install or create a backport. |
| 22:27.49 | c-c | gmh: you could also compile your own |
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| 22:29.45 | gmh | Thanks guys :) |
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| 22:29.57 | c-c | ( apt-get source packagename ) |
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| 22:30.38 | c-c | (or $ apt-get source packagename=version ) |
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| 22:31.13 | c-c | I wonder if theres anyone who only uses source packages with debian |
| 22:31.29 | somiaj | you can't source packages don't work that way. |
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| 22:31.52 | somiaj | one could compile every source package into a binary themselvse, but then install/use the binary. |
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| 22:51.50 | jpw | sure anyone /could/ but thats why distributions exist |
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| 23:00.52 | psychoticwarrior | hey |
| 23:01.57 | dshq | I'm looking to install steamcmd on my jessie server and the docs recommend using the package that is on strech and sid repos, how would I go about safely installing only that one sid package on my jessie install? |
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| 23:08.40 | rjsalts | dshq: add deb-src http://yourfavouritemirror/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free to sources.list, apt-get source package, apt-get build-dep package, cd package-version, dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot, cd .., dpkg -i package.deb |
| 23:08.55 | missmbob | dshq: https://wiki.debian.org/Steam does *not* tell you to use sid |
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| 23:09.13 | awal1 | dpkg: frankendebian |
| 23:09.13 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 23:10.05 | dshq | missmbob: https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/SteamCMD#Supported_Servers Steamcmd not Steam client |
| 23:10.30 | dshq | rjsalts: I was looking at this page, would this work also? http://serverfault.com/questions/22414/how-can-i-run-debian-stable-but-install-some-packages-from-testing |
| 23:10.34 | missmbob | dshq: i dont care. if you want to follow their docs your install will not be supported here. follow what debian says |
| 23:11.01 | missmbob | dshq: that's a really stupid thing to do |
| 23:11.42 | rjsalts | dshq: it might work, it might mess your system up completely, it depends on the package and what depends on it, and whether the new version is backwards compatible |
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| 23:12.32 | rjsalts | dshq: and what it depends on too, you might drag in 10000 packages from testing that it depends on |
| 23:12.51 | stoned | does anyone here use zfs on jessie from backports? are you able to export and import? also, does it create a linux_raid_member or zfs_member ? |
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| 23:13.26 | rjsalts | dshq: safer to try backports, and if it's not there then backport yourself. even then you can drag in a bunch of dependencies |
| 23:13.34 | dshq | Steamcmd works fine on jessie if you manually download it and unpack it, just looking to keep it up to date with the sid repo. Steamcmd wasn't around at the time jessie was released so it never got added. |
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| 23:15.21 | dshq | I'll try it in a vm first then, but that pin method should work for only pulling one package from sid right? |
| 23:16.02 | rjsalts | dshq: you could also run it from within chroot or container, unless you need a newer kernel |
| 23:16.47 | dshq | rjsalts: I've never done those before, would it be easier then just installing a vm? |
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| 23:20.40 | nickelad | Guys SteamCMD ?? |
| 23:20.48 | nickelad | isnt that deprecated |
| 23:20.56 | nickelad | like they have a new thing |
| 23:21.10 | nickelad | I tried SteamCmd to no avail on Freebsd |
| 23:21.28 | nickelad | only to find out it was replaced by idk what its called now |
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| 23:22.45 | nickelad | Use SteamPipe because SteamCmd is dead. |
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| 23:27.08 | dshq | Steamcmd replaced HLDSUpdateTool which in no longer supported and works with games that use Steampipe content, |
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| 23:27.21 | dshq | Doesn't say anything about steamcmd being replaced tho |
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| 23:28.33 | nickelad | umm still use steampipe |
| 23:29.16 | bit1 | Hello. Any bug track system, very very simple?, thanks in advance. |
| 23:29.44 | missmbob | bit1: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 23:30.06 | nickelad | i had so many problems with steamcmd and i think its not supported and the downloads dont work anymore |
| 23:30.16 | bit1 | missmbob, too sophisticated |
| 23:30.48 | missmbob | bit1: that's all there is |
| 23:31.26 | bit1 | I only need open, close "issues", and some priority issues |
| 23:31.27 | jelly | missmbob, they seem to be asking about a bug tracking system for their own use |
| 23:31.34 | machinehum | I downloaded the arm-gcc toolchain and it came in a folder structure -> bin & lib & share. Then another folder called arm-none-eabi, inside that folder there is another bin, lin, include and share |
| 23:31.38 | machinehum | Where do I put these |
| 23:31.44 | missmbob | jelly: oh |
| 23:31.49 | machinehum | /usr/local? |
| 23:32.01 | machinehum | and the upper dir ones in /usr |
| 23:32.16 | machinehum | (In their respective folders of course) |
| 23:33.22 | dshq | nickelad: From what I'm reading here https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7388-QPFN-2491 Steamcmd uses steampipe but is still the base. Looks like they now use http instead of proprietary protocols. |
| 23:35.42 | nickelad | Im not sure then. Maybe its just steamcmd on freebsd which had problems ^^ |
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| 23:36.02 | nickelad | or my incompetence rather |
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| 23:36.53 | tw | Is there a tiling/hybrid window manager that supports floats-as-workspaces? That is to say, floating, resizable containers that are internally tiled. I want this because my terminal is currently 157x95 characters and I have to subdivide it a lot to prevent it from being overwhelming amounts of information. |
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| 23:41.23 | stoned | is there anyway to watch dd output? |
| 23:41.25 | stoned | or progress |
| 23:41.59 | tw | stoned: send it SIGUSR1, it will print the progress. |
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| 23:46.59 | stoned | ah, 8.24+ has status=progress flag |
| 23:47.09 | stoned | stable has 8.23 |
| 23:47.14 | stoned | darn. |
| 23:47.32 | stoned | it does not seem to pipe through pipe viwer (pv) |
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| 23:51.01 | tw | stoned: it does. http://paste.debian.net/917721/ |
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| 23:52.06 | stoned | Ah my syntax was goofy |
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