| 00:01.25 | [Saint] | would not go so far as to say there is no sensible reason for cross-repository pinning |
| 00:02.02 | [Saint] | I would go so far as to say that if you did have a legitimate reason to do such things that you wouldn't require someone to hold your hand through it on IRC, though. |
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| 00:04.27 | teraflops | it might be one, once you are in sid and start pining for fixing dependency hell, then you get caught a vicious cycle :D |
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| 00:08.16 | careta | I'm having a weird problem: when using a tftp server, I'm binding to ipv4 and v6. Then if I use a client to connect to localhost via ipv6, I can download files, but via ipv4 I cannot |
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| 00:08.20 | careta | any idea what might be going wrong? |
| 00:08.59 | careta | it's not iptables |
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| 00:09.32 | maurer | Does Debian Stable currently support installation to NVMe roots? |
| 00:09.44 | maurer | (I've just gotten a new laptop, and am trying to decide how to configure it) |
| 00:13.20 | missmbob | maurer: grub in jessie doesnt properly recognise nvme devices. you might consider stretch installer since stretch is in soft freeze |
| 00:14.54 | mrrhq | Maybe he can backport GRUB from jessie-backports, or install it from a more up-to-date live environment. |
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| 01:52.44 | luffy | i have made an application with mono in c# that outputs info continously to a log file, and trying to tail -f just shows a few lines and keep waiting doing nothing. why is that? |
| 01:55.28 | centrx | luffy: maybe the file is getting deleted? |
| 01:55.49 | luffy | centrx: what do you mean? |
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| 01:55.59 | missmbob | there's nothing writing to the file anymore, that's obvious. |
| 01:56.45 | centrx | luffy: that behavior can happen if the file is deleted -- the file being tailed no longer exists, even if another file is put in its place with the same name |
| 01:57.04 | luffy | missmbob: that's wrong. i'm printing the same lines to stdout and the log file, and while the stdout is still outputing things, tail -f doesn't show nothing new |
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| 01:58.02 | missmbob | echo "foolio" >> file from another terminal |
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| 01:58.05 | luffy | centrx: but i first start my console app, the file gets created and then i do tail -f |
| 01:58.12 | missmbob | tail -f pick it up? |
| 01:58.20 | luffy | missmbob: ill try |
| 01:59.27 | rozie | luffy: buffer maybe? |
| 01:59.35 | luffy | missmbob: yes it does! i tested it while the app was running |
| 01:59.59 | luffy | rozie: i already tried flush() after write call |
| 02:00.00 | missmbob | luffy: see? for some reason your program stopped adding to the log file |
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| 02:00.50 | luffy | missmbob: mmmm interesting point |
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| 02:01.34 | luffy | missmbob: does tail -f has especific behavior on how lines are notified? |
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| 02:02.26 | missmbob | luffy: i assume it uses some inotify magic |
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| 02:04.12 | themill | tail just uses a sleep (default is 1s); there's inotail if you want that |
| 02:04.51 | mactimes | luffy Check whether you're _appending_ to the file or overwriting it. |
| 02:05.08 | themill | luffy: does tail -F work where tail -f did not? (you'd have to restart your program too) |
| 02:05.20 | luffy | mactimes: i am sure appending |
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| 02:05.42 | luffy | themill: already tried too and didn't work neather |
| 02:05.45 | mactimes | luffy Are you flushing content written to the file? |
| 02:06.09 | luffy | mactimes: yes explicitly after each write call |
| 02:06.13 | mactimes | luffy I.e; write+flush, write+flush until write+close (which flushes). |
| 02:06.50 | luffy | mactimes: exactly (excluding the closes, cause my app never closes) |
| 02:07.28 | n4dir | -f |
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| 02:07.54 | mactimes | luffy I'm not versed in c#, but have you tried writing a simple program with timed writes (I mean, just a loop with some sleep for a couple of seconds between writes)? |
| 02:08.17 | luffy | mactimes: nope i didn't |
| 02:08.42 | mactimes | luffy That will clear any doubts if the problem might be in your system or in your program logic, for some reason. |
| 02:09.45 | mactimes | luffy At least, you'd discard any _system_ unexpected behavior prior to analyzing what is going on with the software itself. |
| 02:10.36 | mactimes | luffy Have you checked for user rights, etc.? |
| 02:11.13 | mactimes | luffy If you're running the program with a user and tail with another, your problem might be there. Correct permissions and try again, if that's the case. |
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| 02:11.58 | themill | mactimes: do you repeatedly open? |
| 02:12.03 | themill | err luffy^^ |
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| 02:12.43 | luffy | mactimes: permissions are no problem for sure, im using just my regular user |
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| 02:13.31 | mactimes | luffy That's another thing, what themill pointed. You don't want to keep opening and closing your log file. Just open it. Write and flush. Close in the end. |
| 02:14.28 | mactimes | luffy Give that idea a try. Write a clean, new program, with a counter and a sleep call. Write the counter to the log file and track it with tail. |
| 02:15.02 | mactimes | luffy Should that work, you can clear system check from your todo list. |
| 02:15.16 | luffy | mactimes: that's exactly what i just did and worked |
| 02:15.17 | themill | what does lsof show? |
| 02:15.34 | luffy | mactimes: so i guess the problem is in my other app |
| 02:15.49 | mactimes | luffy So, it's not a system issue. You'd have to check what's going on in your application. |
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| 02:16.51 | themill | It sounds a lot like the file is deleted and then recreated. Does the file grow? (check with ls) |
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| 02:17.47 | luffy | now i get it |
| 02:18.00 | luffy | the test program gave me a clue |
| 02:18.10 | luffy | it didn't work at first |
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| 02:19.21 | luffy | but the problem was that i was calling File.OpenWrite and it appended the text (i dont understand why it didn't work :S) |
| 02:19.39 | luffy | i replaced it with File.Create and now it works :D |
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| 02:20.48 | luffy | oooo now i get it |
| 02:21.21 | luffy | when i called File.OpenWrite it set the cursor to the begining so it writed the same counter lines on top of the old ones |
| 02:21.33 | luffy | thats why it seemed like it was doing nothing |
| 02:21.39 | luffy | lol thanks guys! |
| 02:22.16 | missmbob | there's always head :P |
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| 03:28.58 | OldParr | editing /etc/default/grub and update-grub does not changes default menu entry and timeout http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=131120 |
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| 03:36.38 | crippledmonk | did you run update-grub |
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| 03:52.16 | brian__ | Hi using testing branch but cannot install wine, asking for wine32 but not installable |
| 03:52.45 | dvs | brian__, #debian-next on OFTC |
| 03:52.57 | brian__ | ty |
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| 03:54.37 | brian__ | not allowing me to join Debian next |
| 03:54.44 | themill | !debian-next |
| 03:54.44 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 03:55.51 | brian__ | !debian-next |
| 03:55.51 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 04:13.51 | noobular | still having trouble with installing |
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| 05:08.26 | Reddisgirl | Unlike the demonic portrait that the "allies" painted of him, Hitler was beloved by his people, he wanted nothing but peace, and never ordered the extermination of a single Jew. The largely Jewish-controlled mainstream media has ever since painted an evil picture of Hitler and the Jew World Order has even enacted laws in 16 European countries prohibiting free-speech on the issues of Judaism, Hitler and the Holocaust. |
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| 06:06.17 | nmschulte | It seems I should install anacron if I'm looking to use /etc/cron.daily to automate backups on a laptop? |
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| 06:07.08 | WildPenguin | what is the difference between Yum and Deb? |
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| 06:08.24 | nmschulte | WildPenguin: Yum is a package management tool, like Apt -- Deb is the package format used on Debian/derivates; Yum deals w/ RPM package format. |
| 06:08.50 | WildPenguin | ok |
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| 06:14.20 | taffipip | Adolf Hitler vs The Jew World Order https://youtu.be/ssCkc8t9sho ("If you open your mouth you get targeted.") |
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| 06:39.56 | TIMEMACHINEKIKE | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssCkc8t9sho |
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| 06:56.56 | nmschulte | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.12 | nmschulte | And should I use it? |
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| 06:57.19 | nmschulte | s/should I/should I not/ |
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| 06:58.22 | sleepyhead | nmschulte: probably created by your operating system |
| 06:58.30 | sleepyhead | nmschulte: maybe by some app you installed |
| 06:58.37 | sleepyhead | 39 sounds like a system user |
| 06:58.39 | themill | see /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz |
| 06:59.00 | nmschulte | sleepyhead: It's from base-passwd I see; it's on bare install. |
| 06:59.06 | themill | (it's in base-passwd so that it has UID 39 on every single machine) |
| 06:59.06 | nmschulte | I guess I can use the users just fine. :) |
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| 06:59.32 | themill | it's designed for ircds to use |
| 07:00.01 | sleepyhead | nmschulte: yeah you should create your own |
| 07:00.29 | nmschulte | One more Q: I am running a full FS backup on /root (w/ proper exclusions) via cron/anacron/cron, and I'm wondering if I should change the user that it runs as to e.g. the backup user from base-passwd -- the user needs to be able to read all the FS as would root, but not to do anything else, really. |
| 07:00.35 | nmschulte | sleepyhead: I should create my own? |
| 07:00.39 | nmschulte | I want to run an irc... |
| 07:00.47 | nmschulte | s/irc/ircd/ |
| 07:00.53 | sleepyhead | nmschulte: in that case its ok |
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| 07:01.28 | nmschulte | and when I said /root above re: backup, I meant "/" |
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| 07:02.24 | themill | Generally the backup software needs to be able to read files that only root has access to which is somewhat limiting for dropping privs |
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| 07:03.42 | nmschulte | I guess backup would make more sense for e.g. individual software / data backups. |
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| 07:04.57 | nmschulte | I want to setup an interaction where, the backup is user-dismissable for a short period, via e.g. X client. Does such a tool exist for cron/script running integration? |
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| 07:05.42 | nmschulte | I may write a small daemon that allows this, and provides proper interaction w/ anacron/cron (and flock?) to queue a configured backup. |
| 07:05.51 | nmschulte | Would anyone find that useful? |
| 07:07.04 | themill | tests like "what network am I connected to" and "am I on battery" would be good too. |
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| 07:10.48 | nmschulte | themill: for remote backup, good idea. |
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| 07:13.17 | nmschulte | /usr/bin/nologin vs /bin/false? only difference seems to be the printed message from nologin. |
| 07:13.19 | Drzacek | Hi |
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| 07:14.30 | Drzacek | I have installed debian to portable ssd (intenso 1,8" 128GB), it took very long (~5h) and now the system runs very slow. |
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| 07:15.54 | Drzacek | lsusb shows me that bcdUSB is 2.10, not 3.0 like it suppose to be, so I believe this is the cause. My machine has usb 3.0 support. Could it be that debian 8.4 image doesn't have the right drivers/modules for that? |
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| 07:16.43 | TomTomTosch | ,kernels |
| 07:16.44 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.15-2); stretch: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.15-2); jessie-backports: 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.8.11-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1) |
| 07:17.34 | TomTomTosch | Drzacek: trying the jessie-backports kernel could be worth it. |
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| 07:18.31 | Drzacek | TomTomTosch: I'm upgrading to stretch anyway (since yeterday) |
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| 07:19.14 | Drzacek | So it has to do with kernel/modules? |
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| 07:43.38 | newbsduser | hello guys, how can I view raid controller / disk failure details on debian linux.. I tried to use ipmitool but I couldn't see which disk is failed? |
| 07:43.58 | grawity | ...ipmitool? |
| 07:44.06 | grawity | since when does ipmi even deal with that |
| 07:44.09 | grawity | newbsduser: anyway, use smartctl |
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| 07:44.33 | preaction | afaik it doesn't. did your raid vendor give you a cli? like megaraid or whatnot? |
| 07:44.34 | grawity | possibly with "-d megaraid,<id>" for some controllers |
| 07:44.44 | grawity | I know that works with Dell at least |
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| 07:45.11 | preaction | we use the megaraid cli tool for that purpose. it's kind of terrible, but it works |
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| 08:00.14 | Iota | Good morning, world! |
| 08:00.35 | merloon | morning |
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| 08:05.34 | slax0r | hello, I'm having issues with the backports kernel and intel graphics driver for my i915, I can't get my external monitors to work, xrandr produces no output, and can't find any errors/warnings in dmesg, where else can I look? |
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| 08:06.10 | grawity | ...no output at all? |
| 08:06.33 | grawity | as in it doesn't show the external video connector, or as in it doesn't show any text |
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| 08:07.11 | slax0r | grawity: sorry, running just xrandr shows monitors etc, but when I try to enable them I get no output as in no errors |
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| 08:08.05 | slax0r | this is the output from 'xrandr': http://sprunge.us/eiWW? |
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| 08:08.31 | slax0r | and this is my attempt at config: http://sprunge.us/ViTE |
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| 08:13.52 | slax0r | hm, if I go to tty1 then both screens turn on, but as soon as I switch back to X, they both turn off |
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| 08:14.53 | grawity | well, if they show up in xrandr (with modes and all), that means Xorg recognizes them |
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| 08:15.21 | grawity | but does --pos automatically enable the output? don't you need --auto or --mode? |
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| 08:20.30 | slax0r | grawity: you are right, adding auto helped, I have output |
| 08:20.31 | slax0r | thank you |
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| 08:49.48 | realies | anyone with experience installing pyldap? |
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| 08:56.35 | kardborren | Are we sure there's somebody reading email sent to wnpp@debian.org? Two days ago I sent a simple question to that address and have yet to receive anything... (The question was like "did you get my FRP for package X?") |
| 08:57.08 | kardborren | s/FRP/RFP/ |
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| 09:03.11 | dab | Hello there, trying to install debian on my macbook pro with lvm and dmcrypt, but stucked during partitioning. I have efi boot partition, and installation see it as efi system part. But i cant go further without boot partition, setup dont let me go further, and i cant use efi partition as boot, cause setup dont let it be fat fs. How i can pass this stage? Using testing net snapshot |
| 09:03.51 | bolt | dab: #debian-next on OFTC for all your testing questions |
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| 09:06.30 | jelly | dab: make a separate small partition for /boot, the efi boot one is used for something else |
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| 09:07.12 | dab | Its wrong way, i dont need separate partition with other linuxes |
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| 09:09.51 | jelly | dab: then use other linuxes, or file an installation report and explain the partition setup that works well with those other systems |
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| 09:10.44 | dab | Ok, i have separate boot/efi and encrypted root, thats it. And its working |
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| 09:10.53 | jelly | dab: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch05s04.html.en#problem-report |
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| 09:12.26 | WildPenguin | what is different in Debian as compared to Fedora? As a beginner, I wanted to know. |
| 09:12.32 | dab | Its nice way to answer, appreciate it. Lol. Similair setup working for arch for example. Osx boot efi partition and encrypted root. |
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| 09:13.05 | Drzacek | can dist-upgrade be paused (after download phase) and safely resumed? Can it show some kind of progress bar or at least % done? |
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| 09:13.53 | WildPenguin | are the commands different for Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora? |
| 09:14.09 | WildPenguin | or are they same for all these distros? |
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| 09:14.57 | AndreasLutro | when creating a debian package using dpkg-buildpackage, is there a way to override the version number, to not read it from debian/changelog? |
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| 09:20.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't man dpkg-buildpackage say? |
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| 09:21.40 | AndreasLutro | not really |
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| 09:37.52 | themill | AndreasLutro: no, the version is only in the changelog. There is only one place for it just as there should be. |
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| 09:40.31 | themill | AndreasLutro: you can add a changelog entry automagically using dch or with sbuild if you need to |
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| 09:42.29 | AndreasLutro | themill: yeah I'll consider different options. I need to maintain a package for 2 different versions of debian and was hoping to get away with only 1 changelog but different version numbers |
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| 09:44.34 | themill | AndreasLutro: dch --local ~foo8+ --distribution foo "* Rebuild for foo distribution" |
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| 09:48.51 | jpinx | I've got an issue with an install of dicomscope using aptitude on the cl. It's throwing an error "Err http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates/main tzdata-java all 2016h-0+deb8u1 404 Not Found [IP: 78.129.164.123 80] |
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| 09:49.19 | jpinx | anyone got any clues please? |
| 09:49.24 | jelly | jpinx: even after rerunning apt-get update? |
| 09:49.47 | themill | jpinx: that version doesn't exist any more |
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| 09:50.36 | jpinx | jelly -- hang on ;) |
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| 09:51.11 | jpinx | hasn't installed anything new for a long while |
| 09:51.28 | jelly | you don't really love me ♪ |
| 09:51.29 | disposable2 | what's the point of having 2 default gateways (one with metric 1 and one with metric 10) if, when the "metric 1" goes down, my machine doesn't automagically switch to the other one. |
| 09:51.53 | jelly | disposable2: it's a silly configuration, and Linux lets you shoot yourself in the foot |
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| 09:53.29 | quitisomes | hello good morning everybody |
| 09:53.48 | quitisomes | can someone tell me what sotfware use for streaming video in debian??? |
| 09:53.57 | disposable2 | well, i can't have 2 gateways with the same metric and having 2 with different metric seems to be pointless. is there a way to have 2 gateways configured without having to set up anything on the gateways? (no vrrp/hsrp/glbp/garp) |
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| 09:59.30 | jelly | disposable2: I don't know enough to decidedly say "no", but _something_ has to figure out one gw is down |
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| 09:59.54 | jelly | the kernel won't do it, as you say, automagically |
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| 10:00.13 | jelly | disposable2: best ask in #netfilter |
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| 10:11.05 | smojphace | I know this isn't debian, but Raspbian kernel update overwrites the running kernels /lib/modules/x.x.x dir on update - I want to do update/installs then some configuration that requires loading kernel modules - do I risk just update && install (no upgrade) then config then upgrade - or do I duplicate /lib/modules/x.x.x, upgrade, then mv them back so I can do my config before rebooting? |
| 10:11.26 | _Nox | not bad |
| 10:11.40 | _Nox | You? |
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| 10:12.30 | smojphace | or something else, including none of these things lol? |
| 10:12.34 | jelly | smojphace: ask in #raspbian please |
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| 10:13.49 | smojphace | jelly: I have done, no answer so far :/ Thought I'd ask for general advice here.. sorry for the off-topic! |
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| 10:41.07 | Drzacek | smojphace: you may have more luck in #raspberrypi |
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| 10:46.25 | smojphace | Drzacek: Cheers, someone in #debian just made the extremely sensible suggestion that I load the modules I will need before dist-upgrading! |
| 10:47.44 | jpinx | jelly: updating is a really neat move :) |
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| 10:50.22 | M4GNV5 | heyho, so i hadnt touched my stretch laptop over christmas now as i updated it yesterday i was suprised because suddendly the acceleration sensor was actually detected and used to rotate the screen. However the problem is its incorrect, when i hold it "normal" it rotates it "left" and when i hold it "left" it rotates the screen "normal" where left and normal are the ones xrandr accepts with --rotate. Is there a way to fix that issue? |
| 10:50.22 | M4GNV5 | currently im just locking the rotation |
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| 10:52.15 | M4GNV5 | or should i rather ask that in a gnome related channel? |
| 10:53.54 | Drzacek | smojphace: makes sense |
| 10:55.06 | HaMsTeRs | hey guys, I have a super noob question |
| 10:55.22 | HaMsTeRs | what is the quickest way to send a file across from Windows to Linnux? |
| 10:55.40 | NoxiousPloK | HaMsTeRs: winscp ? |
| 10:55.49 | NoxiousPloK | its very easy |
| 10:55.52 | NoxiousPloK | connects over SSH |
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| 10:56.04 | NoxiousPloK | https://winscp.net/eng/download.php |
| 10:56.26 | M4GNV5 | the question is if he has an ssh server on the linux machine though |
| 10:56.47 | NoxiousPloK | yep |
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| 10:56.56 | NoxiousPloK | but thats why you have a conversation |
| 10:57.11 | HaMsTeRs | hm, any other quickier way? |
| 10:57.17 | HaMsTeRs | like right click and share a folder? |
| 10:57.52 | HaMsTeRs | to allow everyone access from Windows.. and then smb:\\ (like in mac) to access the windows share folder? |
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| 10:58.03 | NoxiousPloK | install Samba |
| 10:58.26 | M4GNV5 | afaik nautilus has samba support? |
| 10:58.27 | Drzacek | Like, on the same machine (dual boot) or over lan? If on network, then samba |
| 10:58.28 | petn-randall | HaMsTeRs: Linux clients can cope with SMB if they have the right packages installed. |
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| 10:58.36 | M4GNV5 | and afaik its installed my default? |
| 10:59.02 | NoxiousPloK | the question is if he has nautilus on the linux machine though |
| 10:59.51 | M4GNV5 | Drzacek, if its the same machine then just access the hard drive, if its over the network then share a folder under windows and put stuff in there using the file browser |
| 10:59.55 | M4GNV5 | that should be fairly easy |
| 10:59.57 | HaMsTeRs | smb:// :D is working |
| 11:00.17 | HaMsTeRs | from file manager |
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| 11:16.32 | unborn | HaMsTeRs: the quickest way? I use apache on my awesome debian, so basically to any device I would just do http://ip-of-machine-sending/ on machine to receive |
| 11:17.19 | HaMsTeRs | aw, but don't like to run any services (daemon) on my machine |
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| 11:17.27 | HaMsTeRs | as it's limited of resource |
| 11:20.47 | unborn | no fuss no mess.. I did samba as well but - you know.. chromebook, android phones etc.. instead of installing and some stuff on all devices I just used plain good old fashion... apache on awesome debian.. so simple. apache configuration took less then 15 seconds. |
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| 11:23.09 | unborn | ah I see.. limited resources - well.. apache can run and perform very well on rp v 1.. if you have lower resources than that then samba (which is service or daemon as you call it) should not run there... hmm... |
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| 11:24.27 | unborn | HaMsTeRs: ^^^ |
| 11:24.44 | M4GNV5 | HaMsTeRs, what system are you using? |
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| 11:35.26 | HaMsTeRs | M4GNV5, Debian |
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| 11:37.09 | unborn | M4GNV5: I just missed the point..(as I do not use windows os at all) he was asking to share from windows to linux.. not from linux to any device.. however he should be very fine to run some xamp crap on windows machine to share folders anywhere.. it takes less resources then samba if you do hd stream to 3 machines at the same time from different folders and downloading 70 files to other 15 machines (files bigger then 1 gig).. |
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| 11:39.19 | unborn | HaMsTeRs: if samba worked for you, stay with it ;) |
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| 11:41.58 | unborn | M4GNV5: <HaMsTeRs> what is the quickest way to send a file across from Windows to Linnux? |
| 11:42.10 | drzacek | Just exactly how bad would it be to abort dist-upgrade and restart? |
| 11:42.14 | unborn | M4GNV5: thats what I missed :) |
| 11:42.22 | M4GNV5 | drzacek, not bad |
| 11:42.25 | M4GNV5 | just redo it |
| 11:42.58 | M4GNV5 | sometimes it tells you do run some dpkg command because you aborted during configuration |
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| 11:43.46 | HaMsTeRs | :) |
| 11:44.30 | drzacek | So simply ctrl+c it, right? |
| 11:45.15 | M4GNV5 | yeah |
| 11:45.19 | drzacek | I should be able to resume it instantly with calling apt-get dist-upgrade again? |
| 11:45.30 | drzacek | what about those packages that vere already installed? |
| 11:45.54 | teraflops | drzacek: depending on the h |
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| 11:46.27 | teraflops | stage you abort it. it may end in disaster too |
| 11:46.54 | drzacek | :( |
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| 11:48.14 | teraflops | so from easily fixable to fucking disaster |
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| 11:49.18 | teraflops | drzacek: if you are fine fixing things from a rescue image (worse scenario) you're fine |
| 11:49.19 | unborn | :D |
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| 11:49.41 | teraflops | worst^ |
| 11:50.27 | jelly | drzacek: after stopping or killing apt/aptitude, probably first do "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get/apt/aptitude -f install" before running the actual command again |
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| 11:52.33 | M4GNV5 | jelly, actually apt-get tells you to do that when necessary |
| 11:52.50 | jelly | yes it does |
| 11:52.57 | jelly | didn't used to |
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| 11:53.08 | M4GNV5 | ahhh apt-get tells me what to do!! its controlling me :O |
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| 11:54.05 | jelly | packages and their scripts are supposed to be made in such a way to prevent a disaster when an installation is stopped at any point |
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| 11:55.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | pity the US election wasn't packaged properly, then |
| 11:56.02 | jelly | !slap CutMeOwnThroat |
| 11:56.02 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across CutMeOwnThroat's face |
| 11:56.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ey! |
| 11:56.31 | teraflops | hmm sounds about right. I was thinking in something like killing it while installing a new kernel or generating the initranfs |
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| 11:57.28 | drzacek | ok, looks like I was able to abort it and restart it without reboot now (got my progress bar working), now question is, if I can reboot to newer kernel that was installed during this upgrade and then continue with the rest |
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| 11:58.24 | unborn | CutMeOwnThroat: what is your point here in this channel? |
| 11:59.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should ask offtopic questions like that in -offtopic ^ ^ |
| 11:59.37 | drzacek | well, one way to find out, wish me luck |
| 11:59.45 | unborn | CutMeOwnThroat: very well.. go back to that channel :) - thanks |
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| 12:28.57 | mezod | hi guys, could someone help me install gcc 4.8 on a debian 6.0.6 squeeze? is it a good idea at all? |
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| 12:31.18 | jelly | mezod: you'll have to build it manually, attempting to install packages from a newer release will result in pain |
| 12:31.29 | jelly | mezod: why do you need it? |
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| 12:31.52 | mezod | i'm trying to install a node package called sharp that need gcc 4.8 |
| 12:32.02 | mezod | and squeeze ships with 4.4 |
| 12:32.30 | mezod | needs* |
| 12:32.53 | jelly | yeah, forget about it |
| 12:32.56 | boxrick1 | Can anyone think why this error may be occuring in my pre-seed? https://s28.postimg.org/9dhkp9cnh/Screen_Shot_2017_01_10_at_12_30_29.png <-- This only appears on one of two identical systems |
| 12:33.08 | boxrick1 | Swapping around the drives appears to make no difference |
| 12:33.34 | boxrick1 | Some odd MDADM based segfault |
| 12:33.34 | jelly | mezod: squeeze is not supported any more in any way, btw |
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| 12:33.38 | jelly | ,v gcc-4.8 |
| 12:33.39 | judd | Package: gcc-4.8 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.8.4-1 |
| 12:33.43 | jelly | ,v gcc-4.7 |
| 12:33.44 | judd | Package: gcc-4.7 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.7.2-5 |
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| 12:34.34 | mezod | jelly: yeah I know it's not supported :/ |
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| 12:38.23 | mezod | jelly: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16311600/installing-gcc-4-8-on-debian would you say it's worth a try? |
| 12:39.17 | bittin | Updating Ubuntu and Debian at work now :) |
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| 12:40.24 | jelly | mezod: I've already given my opinion of two different possible methods mentioned there. 1) build your own -- sure, if you have to 2) install from jessie -- don't do that, you'll break your system |
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| 12:41.38 | mezod | jelly: thanks |
| 12:41.50 | jelly | mezod: it would be saner to pick a more recent platform instead, like debian 8 |
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| 12:44.31 | mezod | jelly: yes, i'd need to reset a lot of stuff that's been living in that server for a long time and my sysadmin skills are obviously inexistant |
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| 12:46.54 | Drzacek | upgrade to jessie? |
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| 12:49.28 | jelly | Drzacek: you mean "upgrade to wheezy, upgrade to jessie, spend a couple days unbreaking everything" |
| 12:49.35 | jelly | no skipping steps |
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| 12:53.43 | mezod | yeah doesn't sound like a good idea :p |
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| 12:55.12 | Drzacek | jelly, my bad, didn't knew that it has to be done like that |
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| 12:56.21 | boxrick1 | Guys is there any way to use wipefs in the pre-seed since the package doesn't exist? |
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| 12:58.02 | UukGoblin | hello, where can I find a chrootable debian image for aarch64 please? |
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| 12:58.17 | UukGoblin | been googling for a while without much success |
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| 12:59.56 | n0nada | Im a thinking correct now? 0 16 * * 0 <-- Every sunday at 16:00? |
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| 13:01.23 | warbaque_ | n0nada: yes |
| 13:01.33 | n0nada | thanks warbaque_ |
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| 13:01.58 | themill | UukGoblin: you'd make your own using debootstrap and include whatever packages in it you wanted |
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| 13:07.26 | UukGoblin | themill, I have no debian machine handy; I have debootstrap on an amd64, and it produced something half-working |
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| 13:07.48 | UukGoblin | I think multistrap is needed instead, which I don't have |
| 13:08.29 | themill | debootstrap exists in non-debians and it can make a working chroot for a different arch; if there's a qemu-static for the combination it can finish it off |
| 13:09.09 | themill | qemu-user-static: /usr/bin/qemu-aarch64-static |
| 13:09.31 | UukGoblin | yeah, ok, thanks |
| 13:09.46 | UukGoblin | I'm looking into those paths but just downloading a small image would make life 1 easier ;-) |
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| 13:11.00 | themill | Debian doesn't do any images of anything. (You'd not get around these problems to actually use any image that was generated) |
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| 13:12.17 | UukGoblin | ok, thanks |
| 13:12.29 | UukGoblin | (I would, I wouldn't even need debootstrap) |
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| 13:13.22 | themill | running debootstrap is the easy step; any actual use of the chroot then requires work |
| 13:14.24 | UukGoblin | I have an android aarch64 machine which can chroot into an image |
| 13:14.46 | UukGoblin | it doesn't have debootstrap though and I'm not sure it could work |
| 13:14.55 | UukGoblin | lil'debi has one but it fails very early |
| 13:15.21 | themill | debootstrap is only a shell script. If you can chroot then you should be able to use it... SElinux may well make your life hard though |
| 13:15.48 | UukGoblin | hm |
| 13:16.00 | UukGoblin | I'll see if that works, thanks! |
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| 13:26.16 | UukGoblin | this android doesn't have ar, and busybox doesn't provide it either |
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| 13:29.31 | unborn | UukGoblin: hi, im sorry but this chan is mainly for desktop users - means if you do bootup to your custom or chrooted android device - there is not help - im sorry for this. |
| 13:29.45 | unborn | UukGoblin: im just letting you know... |
| 13:29.47 | themill | eh? |
| 13:30.23 | unborn | and btw UukGoblin awesome debian have busy box Build in :) |
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| 13:31.17 | unborn | desktop and servers.. |
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| 13:34.58 | UukGoblin | it's cool, thanks |
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| 14:10.13 | learnerwind | Hi could someone help me no fix my grub? |
| 14:10.23 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 14:10.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:10.33 | petn-randall | hi learnerwind, check dpkg's message ^^^ |
| 14:11.07 | learnerwind | petn-randall: I saw this |
| 14:11.10 | learnerwind | Thankyou |
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| 14:12.56 | learnerwind | I installed windows 10 ( i needed it so my coworker can run a program ). but windows 10 broke my boot. I tryed chroot + 'grub-install /dev/sda'. And i got this: Installing for i386-pc platform. grub-install: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?). |
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| 14:13.26 | petn-randall | learnerwind: Ah, in that case you have to bind mount a few dirs into your chroot. |
| 14:13.37 | petn-randall | !fixmbr |
| 14:13.37 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 14:19.12 | learnerwind | where is EFI? |
| 14:19.40 | learnerwind | ps: sorry if it is too silly |
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| 14:24.15 | learnerwind | petn-randall: it says to run: 'mount /boot/efi' but i get the error that there is no such files on fstab |
| 14:24.50 | n4dir | you got EFI ? |
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| 14:25.10 | learnerwind | n4dir: How do i know it? |
| 14:25.12 | n4dir | if you got it, you know it. |
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| 14:25.32 | learnerwind | So i do not got it |
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| 14:26.01 | n4dir | imho, i never had a EFI system yet. I would simply try the old way (what the bot says then: either update-grub or grub-install /dev/whatever) |
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| 14:27.31 | learnerwind | finished and no error reported. Thank you n4dir and petn-randall |
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| 14:27.53 | petn-randall | learnerwind: Glad I could help. You're welcome! |
| 14:28.00 | n4dir | fingers crossed that it will solve your problem ... :-) good luck |
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| 14:28.26 | learnerwind | n4dir: Yeah, rebooting it now! |
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| 15:02.13 | sop_ | yo |
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| 15:05.15 | UukGoblin | ok, now this is a little strange... I'm inside this not-fully-configured chroot (outside system is android), I have the right nameserver set in /etc/resolv.conf, I've installed wget and it can fetch things from the internet, however apt-get complains about temporary failures while resolving things like ftp.debian.org (while wget is totally fine) |
| 15:06.07 | missmbob | maybe apt is trying ipv6 dns and wget is trying ipv4 |
| 15:06.15 | UukGoblin | ah, good point |
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| 15:07.30 | UukGoblin | well, there's only an IPv4 nameserver (10.0.0.1) set up, and it fails as early as trying to resolve it ("Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.debian.org'") |
| 15:07.48 | UukGoblin | so it's not even getting an IPv6 response |
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| 15:11.06 | Duser | sorry if this is a repeat, I don't know if my last message to the channel went out. Here it is again: |
| 15:11.12 | Duser | <Duser> I'm having a lot of issues with my realtek wifi, rtl8723be According to this page, https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new/issues/34 it's a flawed driver and needs a rebuild to make the system work correctly. The page is also recommending a kernel upgrade. Debian has a page to upgrade the kernal. Not sure which one to use. |
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| 15:14.03 | missmbob | Duser: you want to set up jessie-backports https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 15:14.51 | Duser | I am pretty sure I have that correctly set up already based on some previous help someone gave me here. |
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| 15:15.05 | missmbob | Duser: then apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 (for amd/intel 64-bit) |
| 15:15.28 | missmbob | then reboot |
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| 15:15.53 | Duser | ok, great! thanks for the help. I'll give it a try. |
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| 15:18.35 | sop_ | can you help me to inject any web |
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| 15:19.40 | teraflops | ._. |
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| 15:25.48 | petn-randall | That's what you get when you inject to many marijuanas!!11!!1one |
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| 15:26.35 | Duser | what does that even mean? 'inject any web'? |
| 15:27.07 | petn-randall | Duser: Probably a Kali user asking how to penetration test a website. |
| 15:27.57 | missmbob | they're worse than ubuntu users. |
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| 15:32.16 | n4dir | and that sure ain't easy ... |
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| 15:43.57 | joe__ | hi if i uninstall apt can i install it back again from the repository? |
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| 15:45.41 | dexta | hmm not sure, at a quick guess rpm -ivh ?!? |
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| 15:46.33 | missmbob | joe__: have you read what happens when you try to uninstall apt? it warns you in no uncertain terms "DONT if you dont know what you're doing" |
| 15:46.51 | joe__ | oh ok |
| 15:47.02 | czesmir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:48.27 | n4dir | never did that. if apt is removed, is dpkg still available? and would that work? i sure don't know |
| 15:48.27 | n4dir | t |
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| 15:48.51 | missmbob | yes you can still use dpkg |
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| 15:49.00 | n4dir | to put it different: a low-level way to install (imho that would be dpkg ...) |
| 15:49.11 | n4dir | ah, missmbob thanks for confirming. was not sure |
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| 15:50.00 | joe__ | i added the mint reppo and now i get all these warnings? |
| 15:50.04 | n4dir | why one would type "YES, do as i say" if one gets a big fat warning is still beyond me (assuming one gets that warning ...). Ain't that easy to type it the right way |
| 15:50.23 | missmbob | joe__: you just made your debian not supportable in #debian |
| 15:50.37 | n4dir | joe__: reinstall, if you added the mint repo, and make sure you don't do that again. |
| 15:50.38 | joe__ | thats why i asked |
| 15:51.32 | missmbob | !tell joe__ about dont break debian |
| 15:51.33 | joe__ | cant i just remove the link and fix it? |
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| 15:51.45 | missmbob | !tell joe__ about frankendebian |
| 15:51.49 | TomTomTosch | how much did you install from the mint repo? |
| 15:51.58 | TomTomTosch | and what? |
| 15:52.18 | TomTomTosch | paste any errors or warnings to paste.debian.net |
| 15:52.19 | n4dir | you can never be sure if you really fixed it and in what problems you will run later (when you don't need any trouble at all). imho the best is to reinstall |
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| 15:52.42 | joe__ | only apt-get install linuxmint-keyring |
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| 15:52.59 | n4dir | oh. forget what i said. |
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| 15:53.50 | TomTomTosch | joe__: i'd still like to see the warnings you were talking about. |
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| 15:54.53 | jhutchins | TomTomTosch: I would expect conflicting packages/versions/dependencies. Probably best NOT to run it again just to see. |
| 15:55.41 | joe__ | http://pastebin.com/38Lx49Rz |
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| 15:56.48 | missmbob | of course debian servers dont know what parrot is |
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| 15:57.22 | TomTomTosch | remove the mint repos too. |
| 15:57.48 | missmbob | and then he probably wont have any lines |
| 15:58.01 | joe__ | ok ill try |
| 15:58.12 | missmbob | !tell joe__ about jessie sources.list |
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| 16:02.15 | joe__ | i wanted to add like iwconfig iwlists how do i get these safely then? |
| 16:03.10 | missmbob | they're already in debian. iwconfig is in wireless-tools package (you have to be root or sudo for iwconfig to be in your path) |
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| 16:04.36 | joe__ | no its iw this is a parrot derivativ |
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| 16:05.09 | TomTomTosch | and this is why we don't give support to debian based distributions. |
| 16:05.13 | veek | are there any working flash alternates for linux - that don't crash and are somewhat secure |
| 16:05.27 | TomTomTosch | jessie sources.list is probably wrong for parrot. |
| 16:05.30 | joe__ | i added the deb reppos still apt couldnt find it |
| 16:05.44 | veek | i'm using 24.0 |
| 16:05.47 | jhutchins | joe__: Couldn't find what? |
| 16:05.56 | missmbob | joe__: dont ask us for support if it's not debian support |
| 16:06.02 | joe__ | iwconfig |
| 16:06.07 | jhutchins | veek: Given that the protocol itself is insecure and crash prone, no. |
| 16:06.19 | jhutchins | veek: Flash is available: |
| 16:06.23 | jhutchins | !flash |
| 16:06.25 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash, or see nasty bug #841373 |
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| 16:07.36 | joe__ | its a debbian [.] |
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| 16:08.08 | missmbob | !tell joe__ about based on debian |
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| 16:09.24 | towo` | parrot is not debian, period! |
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| 16:09.41 | joe__ | i only installed the basic parrot as daily driver cuz mint 18 was scetchy |
| 16:09.51 | towo` | joe__, so ask in your distro-irc or install debian |
| 16:10.07 | petn-randall | !parrot os |
| 16:10.07 | dpkg | Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 16:11.48 | joe__ | blah blah blah support a few questions ffs theres never annybody on parrot irc |
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| 16:12.46 | joe__ | dont be greedy with help im newuser |
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| 16:13.01 | TomTomTosch | we don't know how to answer the questions. parrot uses their own sources. |
| 16:13.04 | towo` | then install debian and you get help |
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| 16:13.15 | towo` | parrot is nothing for newbees |
| 16:15.33 | petn-randall | joe__: It's not our problem your distros IRC channel is empty. It's the same as if you're complaining to your dentist that the cancer medication isn't working. They don't know the answer, and at that point it just becomes weird for everyone if you insist on pressing for answers. |
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| 16:19.33 | n4dir | still weird someone not able to figure out rather easy package-management questions wants to go for pentesting. but that might be me ... (iow: first things first ). |
| 16:19.51 | babilen | joe__: Please also keep in mind that volunteers in #debian might offer their time and help in order to help and support the Debian distribution. You are more than welcome to install Debian, but if *you* decide to use a different distribution you have to accept the fact that you can not use #debian. |
| 16:20.25 | joe__ | i diddnt install the penntest stuff |
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| 16:20.53 | teraflops | ._. |
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| 16:25.09 | n4dir | joe__: imho there are many things to keep in mind when choosing a distribution. community, support and such are part of it. I would reconsider if installing debian (or another distro with a good community) isn't a better choice. |
| 16:25.27 | joe__ | i accidently errased my .mbr in a dualboot win7/mint 17.3 so i got 18.1 but it was laggy so i installed parrot and it said debbian so i came heather :) |
| 16:25.30 | n4dir | if you know such a distro well, you usualy can easily make it do what distros based on them do ... |
| 16:27.05 | joe__ | i totally dropped windows like a year aggo |
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| 16:31.24 | dionysus69 | wine programs sometimes freeze and I have to force quit. but thats it, I have no clue on why its happening. any ideas? |
| 16:31.52 | dionysus69 | if anyone gives me a hint on how I could get the reason out of it, I could then try resolve it |
| 16:32.00 | missmbob | dionysus69: #winehq will probably be better |
| 16:32.05 | dionysus69 | but it happens sometimes every 2 minutes sometimes it doesnt for hours |
| 16:32.20 | dionysus69 | well I suspect debian and or gnome |
| 16:32.29 | dionysus69 | wine has no problem with the programs I am running |
| 16:32.43 | TomTomTosch | jessie-backports has a newer version of wine. |
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| 16:32.53 | dionysus69 | i am on stretch |
| 16:33.02 | dionysus69 | but thats not the cause for instability either |
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| 16:34.01 | towo` | dionysus69, if it's not wine, what you think is the cause for instability? |
| 16:34.03 | dionysus69 | I want to narrow it down to something, its a memory seizure or something, just randomly freezes |
| 16:34.14 | dionysus69 | I suspect gnome mostly |
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| 16:34.21 | towo` | then search in the logs |
| 16:34.28 | dionysus69 | where though |
| 16:34.30 | dionysus69 | dmsg? |
| 16:34.38 | zykotick9 | towo`: it's not wine or stretch! it's something else! solar flares maybe. |
| 16:34.47 | towo` | journalctl, dmesg, x-log |
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| 16:35.12 | towo` | dionysus69, why should anyone know, what's wrong on your site? |
| 16:35.17 | dionysus69 | whats this ? xhci_hcd 0000:00:14.0: WARN Event TRB for slot 2 ep 4 with no TDs queued? |
| 16:35.44 | towo` | that's a problem with usb3 |
| 16:35.53 | dionysus69 | towo`: i have pretty standard system. and this is pretty unusual case because google doesnt offer anything |
| 16:36.05 | towo` | there is no standard syste,m arround! |
| 16:36.07 | dionysus69 | ye even that could be a problem |
| 16:36.11 | dionysus69 | one detail btw |
| 16:36.29 | Duser | I'm not really seeing much on google about this as it pertains to debian,: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/radeon/, this is after a kernel upgrade. |
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| 16:36.38 | dionysus69 | I could recreate the problem with freezing by plugging/unplugging flash drive, but now Its not even in |
| 16:36.46 | dionysus69 | atm i just have mouse in usb port |
| 16:37.45 | dionysus69 | towo`: so what does it mean usb3 problem? my laptop has 2x usb 3.0 ports |
| 16:38.03 | TomTomTosch | it means it's unrelated to your wine problem. |
| 16:38.05 | towo` | Duser, abspluztely normal |
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| 16:38.37 | dionysus69 | TomTomTosch: :D :) |
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| 16:41.04 | dionysus69 | whats this error ? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e9897c56bb47ec02eed9526452511f56 |
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| 16:43.00 | Duser | I looked at package firmware-linux-nonfree but that appears to be up to date. |
| 16:43.43 | missmbob | Duser: you probably got firmware-linux-nonfree from the main repos and not jessie-backports. sudo apt -t jessie-backports install firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 16:44.47 | teraflops | dionysus69: usb wireless nic? |
| 16:44.51 | towo` | the message is saying only, the driver supports hardware, for which is no firmware released yet |
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| 16:44.56 | towo` | propably |
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| 16:45.25 | dionysus69 | teraflops: no its just usb cable mouse |
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| 16:45.42 | dionysus69 | teraflops: I have built in intel wifi adapter its a laptop |
| 16:46.41 | Duser | missmbob, I'm not seeing any adverse effects from it. It appears to be the most recent package. I didn't specify the backport parameter but I guess it must do a check when an apt-get is executed. |
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| 16:47.23 | Duser | specifically requesting as you suggest gave the same message, that all was up to date |
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| 16:48.29 | towo` | Duser, nothing will be installed from backports automnatic |
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| 16:49.39 | missmbob | Duser: output of dpkg -l firmware-linux-nonfree ? |
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| 16:49.41 | Duser | perhaps when it pulled in the kernel. |
| 16:49.43 | towo` | apt-cache policy firmware-linux-nonfree will tell you, if you have the most recent version |
| 16:49.54 | towo` | Duser, no |
| 16:50.04 | towo` | the kernel has no depend to that package |
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| 16:51.52 | Duser | ii firmware-linux 0.43 all Binary firmware for various drive |
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| 16:52.19 | missmbob | Duser: so you didn't set up jessie-backports properly like i gave you instructions to |
| 16:52.31 | missmbob | Duser: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 16:53.15 | missmbob | ,v firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 16:53.17 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20160824-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20160824-1; sid/non-free: 20161130-2; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2 |
| 16:53.21 | towo` | nothing would be installed atomatic from backports |
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| 16:53.44 | missmbob | i know. i already told him how to set up backports and then to use -t jessie-backports |
| 16:53.51 | missmbob | he's not following instructions |
| 16:53.52 | towo` | so if he has installed the kernel from backports, firmware would not come automagic from there |
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| 16:56.40 | Duser | the backports is set up. That's how I got the kernel. When I do an update it goes thru the backports as well. |
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| 16:57.06 | missmbob | Duser: did you add non-free to the backports line? or just main? |
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| 16:57.32 | Duser | oh, I'll check that. I don't know if the non-free is currently set. |
| 16:57.32 | SuperNull | hey guys, im trying to create an NTP server that provides a pre-offsetted time due to a bug in a hardware device we have .. has anyone done this with ntp ? |
| 16:57.44 | towo` | again, apt does not download any package from backports, if you ton't say that to apt |
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| 16:58.06 | towo` | s/ton't/don't |
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| 17:04.54 | dionysus69 | ok i found this error org.gnome.Shell.desktop[2226]: Window manager warning: Window 0x4a0000d (World of W) sets an MWM hint indicating it isn't resizable, but sets min size 1 x 1 and max size 2147483647 x 2147483647; this doesn't make much sense. |
| 17:05.24 | dionysus69 | all text is part of journalctl except of "ok i found this error" |
| 17:05.28 | jelly | SuperNull: so you want it to be correct but with a static offset, and not just a local clock discipline? |
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| 17:06.20 | Duser | I think it's up to date: apt-cache policy firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 17:06.20 | Duser | firmware-linux-nonfree: |
| 17:06.20 | Duser | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.20 | Duser | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:06.55 | missmbob | Duser: jessie has 0.43. jessie-backports has 20160824-1~bpo8+1 |
| 17:07.42 | Duser | so there is more? |
| 17:07.46 | jelly | if you're using a bcakported kernel, you need the matching firmware |
| 17:07.50 | missmbob | yes |
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| 17:08.42 | jelly | Duser: so which kernel are you using? (what does «uname -r» say?) |
| 17:09.30 | Duser | its 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
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| 17:10.39 | jelly | Duser: and where did you get it from? |
| 17:11.20 | jelly | Duser: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 firmware-linux-nonfree" and just "apt-cache policy". use http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:11.41 | Duser | ok, it's upgrading the firmware now, or at least some of it. |
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| 17:13.39 | jelly | if you have other firmware-\* packages, it's probably best to see they all get upgraded to bpo versions |
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| 17:17.48 | Duser | akay, here are the results. |
| 17:17.55 | Duser | http://pastebin.com/36aWQFM5 |
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| 17:23.03 | eurythmia | hi folks. I'm trying to run a test for which I need IPv6 disabled on all network adapters. I have a virtual machine up and running (uname -a: Linux osboxes 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux) with a single bridged adapter. I have followed the /etc/sysctl directions here (https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6#How_to_turn_off_IPv6) and rebooted, but my eth0 adapter |
| 17:23.09 | eurythmia | still has an IPv6 address. Can someone help me figure out what's going wrong here? |
| 17:24.18 | Dagger | eurythmia: `ip link set dev eth0 mtu 1200` should do the job temporarily (unless your test also requires 1500 MTU) |
| 17:25.05 | eurythmia | Dagger: yeah; looks like the IPv6 address went away with that. Cool. *Why* does that work? |
| 17:25.25 | Dagger | 1280 is the minimum MTU for v6 |
| 17:26.38 | eurythmia | Dagger: neat. Thanks! |
| 17:27.02 | Dagger | note that it doesn't readd the link-local when you set the MTU back, which might be a mild annoyance |
| 17:27.14 | Dagger | but you can do that manually or reboot or whatever if it's a problem |
| 17:27.22 | eurythmia | should be fine for my puposes. |
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| 18:02.23 | Duser | the kernel loading for 4.8 is quite messy, when it first starts is giving a message: modprobe: found one token expected two |
| 18:02.30 | Duser | quite a number of times |
| 18:05.22 | Duser | google returns no results for that fault. |
| 18:06.23 | Duser | I can't see that it affects anything, at least not yet. |
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| 18:11.14 | jelly | eurythmia: use the kernel boot parameter. |
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| 18:11.36 | jelly | !noipv6 |
| 18:11.36 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
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| 18:14.08 | awal1 | debian |
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| 18:23.20 | jhutchins | I'm used to seeing just three lines in the grub editor when I've selected a menu item. Now I'm seeing all kinds of conditional code, and it's not clear where to add an option like that. |
| 18:23.37 | jhutchins | Is this intended behavior (on jessie)? |
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| 18:26.37 | SuperNull | jelly: sorry for delay... got called into meeting. if i can source a clock from local, and provide it as GMT -0 to devices i will be happy. I will simply change the offset on the local clock to fake it.. the issue is we have a misbehaving device that doubles the offset provided |
| 18:26.44 | SuperNull | as EDT/EST changes for us it becomes a problem |
| 18:28.15 | jelly | SuperNull: then it's easy, just remove the default servers from ntp.conf and put in something like |
| 18:28.17 | jelly | server 127.127.1.0 # local clock |
| 18:28.17 | jelly | fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 10 |
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| 18:28.38 | jelly | now you have a different problem :-) |
| 18:28.55 | lambda-lifter | I have a python script that broke, and the root of the problem is what uname -p is specifying. On my machine debian testing (no customizations) machine, it return "unknown". Is that true for everyone on debian? |
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| 18:30.11 | SuperNull | what is the new problem .. ? |
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| 18:30.40 | jelly | SuperNull: said local clock is not terribly precise and some server hardware has downright awful RTCs, think 15 minutes a month fail |
| 18:31.04 | SuperNull | jelly sure, i can create a manual sync that does the offset manually.. for purposes of not propagating the correct time |
| 18:31.10 | SuperNull | but that will work for me budday.. thanks |
| 18:31.13 | bezaban | lambda-lifter: true for me on both a dedicated host and vm |
| 18:32.28 | bezaban | rhel and fedora return x86_64 |
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| 18:33.31 | bezaban | which in turn is displayed by 'uname -m' |
| 18:35.09 | xcvb | i was told in order to upgrade firefox i needed to ad mozilla.debian.net jessie-backports to my sources.list. then when i run apt-get update i get 404 errors |
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| 18:35.50 | xcvb | im just trying to upgrade firefox. i have v45 right now |
| 18:36.13 | jelly | xcvb: you have 45.6.0 ESR? |
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| 18:36.31 | xcvb | yes |
| 18:36.57 | jelly | and you want to switch to the release branch (that is, the "firefox" package instead of "firefox-esr")? |
| 18:37.37 | jelly | xcvb: pastebin complete contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file, use http://paste.debian.net |
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| 18:38.14 | xcvb | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/908133/ |
| 18:38.52 | xcvb | im not sure if i want release or whatever, im trying to get an addon that isnt available for 45. i saw someone suggested to upgrade |
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| 18:40.58 | lambda-lifter | [bezaban] Thanks for the info. So now I know it's neither a bug on my machine nor in debian python's platform.processor() call. |
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| 18:55.44 | jelly | xcvb: go to https://mozilla.debian.net/ and pick: I am running Debian [stable (Jessie)] and I want to install [Firefox] version [release] » |
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| 18:56.06 | jelly | xcvb: then fix your sources.list line accordingly |
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| 18:57.41 | jelly | ("release" being the branch of Firefox that Mozilla thinks is best for normal users) |
| 18:57.49 | Basilic | hello all I search a software to see 3D PDF on debian? |
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| 18:58.58 | towo` | acroread |
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| 18:59.16 | Basilic | no opensource programme for this? |
| 18:59.29 | towo` | afaik no other reader can oepn 3d pdf propper |
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| 18:59.49 | Basilic | thank towo` |
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| 19:03.06 | RoyK | hrmf - dpkg --configure -a seems to be stuck at 100% cpu - any ideas? |
| 19:03.13 | RoyK | I've tried apt-get clean |
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| 19:06.24 | zuiss1 | i have some machines running debian stable, which i am comfortable with. but on some others which need newer versions of software, from what i have read it seems ubuntu would be more secure and stable vs debian testing. since ubuntu's releases new versions every 6 months and still has a security team supporting it whereas debian stable has a security team for stable only |
| 19:06.28 | zuiss1 | am i right or missing something? |
| 19:06.42 | xcvb | thanks jelly |
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| 19:14.32 | rajoy | hi |
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| 19:14.46 | rajoy | i am trying to record my screen but i am not being able to do so |
| 19:14.56 | rajoy | at the moment i have tried recordmydesktop |
| 19:14.59 | rajoy | but it is not it |
| 19:15.13 | jelly | zuiss1: normal ubuntu releases are only supported for 18 months, while debian and ubuntu lts have a longer period (both 5 years, if you include debian's lts team) |
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| 19:15.26 | rajoy | i want to record a certain window, nothing more |
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| 19:16.09 | jelly | zuiss1: so if you're comfortable upgrading or reinstalling your OS every 6 months, normal ubuntu might be fine for you |
| 19:17.11 | rajoy | any idea? |
| 19:17.16 | zuiss1 | jelly: ok thanks |
| 19:17.57 | zuiss1 | i'll keep debian on the machines that don't need the newer software and put ubuntu on the others since 2 years is a bit long for me to wait for software updates |
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| 19:25.09 | SuperNull | jelly: i got it to work but damn, it requires a very explicit loopback ip .. da hell. just need to confirm its lying to remote clients |
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| 19:28.46 | nmschulte | How can I verify that cron / anacron work as I expect? IIUC, anacron sets up a cron.hourly job which in turn uses some heuristics to run cron.daily and related jobs as close to the interval as possible. Does this work when I just install cron and anacron? The anacron systemd unit / service / job is inactive, but I've seen it active before. |
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| 19:34.11 | jhutchins | zuiss1: What's happening in the window you want to record? |
| 19:34.24 | RoyK | hrmf - dpkg --configure -a seems to be stuck at 100% cpu - any ideas? |
| 19:34.28 | RoyK | I've tried apt-get clean |
| 19:34.28 | jelly | nmschulte: you can uncomment cron.* entry in /etc/rsyslog.conf and restart rsyslog; you can set up a cron job that outputs something to stdout and see the result being sent to user's mail |
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| 19:35.12 | jelly | RoyK: is it precisely the dpkg process or one of its children? strace it? |
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| 19:37.17 | RoyK | interestingly, installing strace makes it stick the same way :( |
| 19:37.30 | kalipso | how can i uninstall kde if i installed it with "aptitude install ~t^desktop$ ~t^kde-desktop$" wich is recommended in debian wiki? :) |
| 19:38.30 | jhutchins | !remove kde |
| 19:38.30 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
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| 19:39.22 | kalipso | jhutchins: ty |
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| 19:54.42 | RoyK | fuck |
| 19:54.52 | RoyK | this dokg process is just hanging |
| 19:54.55 | RoyK | any ideas_ |
| 19:54.56 | RoyK | ? |
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| 19:56.42 | nmschulte | jelly: thank you, trying both |
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| 20:07.29 | nmschulte | jelly: ah, I have to configure anacron to handle certain jobs, it doesn't automatically take over all the scripts in .daily/weekly/monthly |
| 20:07.33 | nmschulte | does that sound accurate? |
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| 20:10.25 | jmd | Newbie question: Is there a way to get the kernel to boot with the real network interface device names? Mine get automatically set to generic ones like "eth0" and "wlan0" . |
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| 20:16.43 | mosasaur | I want to install a package from testing, however not yet switch away from jessie. Are there instructions somewhere? |
| 20:17.01 | n4dir1 | yes. and they are very easy: don't do it. |
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| 20:17.19 | mosasaur | tx n4dir1 |
| 20:17.45 | abrotman | mosasaur: which package? |
| 20:17.46 | nmschulte | jmd: you may find this useful https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ |
| 20:17.47 | n4dir1 | slow, mosasaur, i am not that fast. you can backport them yourself, trying to find the correct boot message |
| 20:18.01 | mosasaur | abrotman: ntsf-3g |
| 20:18.13 | abrotman | judd: versions ntfs-3g |
| 20:18.14 | judd | Package: ntfs-3g on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2012.1.15AR.5-2.1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1:2012.1.15AR.5-2.1+deb7u2; jessie-security: 1:2014.2.15AR.2-1+deb8u2; jessie: 1:2014.2.15AR.2-1+deb8u2; stretch: 1:2016.2.22AR.1-3; sid: 1:2016.2.22AR.1-3; experimental: 1:2016.2.22AR.2-1 |
| 20:18.23 | abrotman | dpkg: tell mosasaur about ssb |
| 20:18.29 | abrotman | mosasaur: you can try to backport it yourself |
| 20:18.46 | mosasaur | abrotman: compile it? |
| 20:19.18 | abrotman | that's an option, yes |
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| 20:20.03 | mosasaur | abrotman: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=774330 |
| 20:20.04 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/774330 in ntfs-3g (open): «ntfs-3g: Input/output error when accessing files in mounted partition»; severity: important; opened: 2014-12-31; last modified: 2016-04-08. |
| 20:20.18 | jmd | nmschulte: Thanks. |
| 20:20.22 | mosasaur | I'm afraid that isn't pain free |
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| 20:21.45 | abrotman | mosasaur: it's not awful, but your call |
| 20:22.12 | mosasaur | abrotman: OK thanks a lot |
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| 20:24.31 | missmbob | libfuse does make that annoying. |
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| 20:28.37 | n4dir1 | why that? |
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| 20:29.22 | missmbob | build-dep for ntffs-3g is libfuse-dev 2.9.3-16 and jessie has 2.9.3-15 |
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| 20:33.40 | n4dir1 | and then building that too is no option? |
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| 20:33.52 | mosasaur | indeed. dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libfuse-dev (>= 2.9.3-16) |
| 20:34.14 | cafuego | It's jst a build script change, edit debian/control and downgrade the requirement. |
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| 20:34.32 | mosasaur | thanks cafuego |
| 20:34.39 | cafuego | or tell dpkg-buildpckage to ignore the depend. |
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| 20:34.55 | cafuego | (if -15 is installed) |
| 20:35.29 | mosasaur | where is this debian/control |
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| 20:35.31 | CuSn | is there a way to find "meta-packages" for debian apt? Like the C development toochain? |
| 20:35.51 | cafuego | mosasaur: shouyld be in the current src dir where you're building. |
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| 20:36.36 | missmbob | ,i gcc |
| 20:36.37 | judd | Package gcc (devel, optional) in jessie/amd64: GNU C compiler. Version: 4:4.9.2-2; Size: 5.0k; Installed: 42k |
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| 20:37.10 | TomTomTosch | CuSn: what exactly are you looking for? the apt package already bundles a bunch of tools. |
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| 20:38.13 | jhutchins | ! build-essential |
| 20:38.13 | dpkg | [build-essential] a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. See also <qotd49>. |
| 20:38.16 | CuSn | TomTomTosch: I'm looking to install a complete C toolchain set, and for python and GTK+ as well |
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| 20:38.48 | CuSn | jhutchins: gracias! |
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| 20:39.47 | CuSn | jhutchins: are there other such "grouped" packages? |
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| 20:42.32 | asterismo_m | hi |
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| 20:42.59 | CuSn | ! meta-packages |
| 20:43.04 | asterismo_m | any ideas if TLS 1.3 will be available in Debian 8 jessie? |
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| 20:44.02 | missmbob | asterismo_m: after openssl 1.2 |
| 20:44.55 | jhutchins | CuSn: Yes, there are, but I'm not sure how you'd find them. aptitude search ~dmeta maybe? |
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| 20:46.06 | asterismo_m | missmbob: openssp is version 1.0.1 in jessie, will it be updated? |
| 20:46.10 | CuSn | jhutchins: found a page listing a small number of them, clearly incomplete, here: https://packages.debian.org/stable/metapackages/ |
| 20:46.18 | CuSn | iwill try the search you suggested. |
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| 20:46.25 | missmbob | asterismo_m: no |
| 20:47.26 | CuSn | jhutchins: "apt-cache search meta" 1,314 items listed. :-) |
| 20:47.58 | asterismo_m | what version of openssl is in testing? |
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| 20:48.59 | at0m | ,v openssl |
| 20:49.00 | judd | Package: openssl on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u3; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u5; jessie-backports: 1.0.2j-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.1.0c-2; stretch: 1.1.0c-2 |
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| 20:50.50 | SqrtOfPi | Does "chmod +x" add executable bit for owner, group, others, all ? |
| 20:51.11 | asterismo_m | so i wont have a chance to run tls 1.3 in jessie right? whuch version shoukd i install? |
| 20:51.53 | missmbob | use 1.0.1t from security unless you have a reason to use 1.0.2j from jessie-backports |
| 20:52.01 | at0m | SqrtOfPi: touch file: chmod +x file and find out |
| 20:52.08 | cafuego | SqrtOfPi: touch foobar; chmod +x foobar; ls -l foobar |
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| 20:52.49 | SqrtOfPi | it seems to add executable for owner + others |
| 20:52.50 | SqrtOfPi | why? |
| 20:53.17 | cafuego | SqrtOfPi: it adds it for everyone. |
| 20:53.27 | at0m | SqrtOfPi: if other permissions deny read, then it probably won't execute anyhow. |
| 20:53.45 | SqrtOfPi | -rwx---r-x 1 u87882669 ftpusers 0 Jan 10 21:53 foobar |
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| 20:53.51 | SqrtOfPi | (after the chmod) |
| 20:54.04 | cafuego | SqrtOfPi: do you have a weird umask? |
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| 20:54.32 | SqrtOfPi | probably (shared hosting) |
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| 20:56.39 | jhutchins | CuSn: I apparently don't understand the syntax very well. Many of the metapackages have "meta" in the description. |
| 20:57.28 | greycat | Really? I can't think of any. |
| 20:57.53 | jhutchins | greycat: Packages? |
| 20:58.00 | greycat | .. oh, in the description. Not in the package name. |
| 20:58.50 | CuSn | jhutchins: strangely in the 1,300 hits, most of them don't say mets in the reported description. Might have "meta" in the other info, as in "part of meta-package "xyz". |
| 20:58.52 | greycat | But a lot of them do have "task-" in the name. Or at least, they used to. |
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| 20:58.56 | jhutchins | greycat: Right. |
| 20:58.58 | CuSn | *mets->meta |
| 20:59.16 | jhutchins | greycat: I think those are the ones that work with tasksel. |
| 20:59.46 | jhutchins | CuSn: RIght, so whatever the correct way to do that is, it's not ~dmeta |
| 20:59.58 | cafuego | SqrtOfPi: Yeah, if I set my uamsk to 0072 I get foobar: 0100604 [-rw----r-- ] -> 0100705 [-rwx---r-x ] |
| 21:00.21 | greycat | 072 is not a sane umask |
| 21:00.23 | CuSn | apt-cache search task returns 1,400 :-) |
| 21:00.38 | cafuego | greycat: Never claimed it was. |
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| 21:01.09 | missmbob | no one is telling you to use apt-cache search for this :P |
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| 21:04.27 | asterismo_m | was the php mailer zero day fixed in jessie? |
| 21:04.37 | greycat | !dsa |
| 21:04.37 | dpkg | [dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see http://www.debian.org/security/ and http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ ; RSS feeds at http://www.debian.org/security/dsa (titles only) and http://www.debian.org/security/dsa-long (summaries). Ask me about <dsa lookup DSA-nnnn> for information about the packages affected. See also <tracker of doom>, <debsecan>, <dsa team>. |
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| 21:07.13 | Freenoodle | Hi, I just set up a Thinkpad SL510 with Debian Stretch, and whenever I execute certain actions, such as writing a bootstick with Unetboot the X server suddenly terminates. Strangely I see absolutely no output in the systemd journal. Does anyone have suggestions what might be wrong here? |
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| 21:08.04 | missmbob | "For the stable distribution (jessie), this problem has been fixed in version 5.2.9+dfsg-2+deb8u3" |
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| 21:08.56 | CuSn | missmbob: Note "Yes, there are, but I'm not sure how you'd find them. aptitude search ~dmeta maybe?" Is that substantively different from apt-cache search? if it is, then i apologize for my lack of knowledge. |
| 21:09.07 | freesandman | Freenoodle: selinux? |
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| 21:10.12 | greycat | apt-cache search will search for the keyword(s) in any field of the package's metadata. I *think* aptitude search ~d means "only search in the 'description' field" |
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| 21:12.03 | asterismo_m | thanks greycat |
| 21:12.31 | Freenoodle | Freenoodle, I don't think that selinux is active in a vanilla installation, shouldn't I see some related output in the syslog then? |
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| 21:16.25 | n4dir1 | asterismo_m: you could always use : apt-cache search --names-only instead (assuming aptitude foo doesn't work) |
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| 21:16.27 | awal1 | apt-cache --names-only search pkgname is pretty more useful than aptitude search ~dpgkname if not looking for libs also |
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| 21:18.14 | freesandman | Freenoodle: try sestatus |
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| 21:19.55 | teraflops | freesandman: debian does not do selinux by default |
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| 21:21.51 | freesandman | taraflops: so what? |
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| 21:23.30 | teraflops | freesandman: why suggesting sestatus then? |
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| 21:26.06 | jhutchins | What we were looking for was metapackages, so "meta" in the description. aptitude search ~dmeta returned lots of extra entries that did not have "meta" in the description, and I've noticed before that it often doesn't filter as I would expect. |
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| 21:27.43 | greycat | installing aptitude... "After this operation, 20.4 MB of additional disk space will be used." |
| 21:27.47 | greycat | sheesh |
| 21:28.59 | greycat | "For a complete list of the possible state and action flags, see the section ?Accessing Package Information? in the aptitude reference guide." |
| 21:29.04 | freesandman | taraflops: what's your problem? |
| 21:29.12 | greycat | um. what. |
| 21:29.42 | greycat | So I can't figure out what search ~dmeta does by reading this MANUAL? |
| 21:30.03 | dess | hey. I ve installed debian on luks using lvm system and now i want to create a second partition using windows 7( i need for a job and virtual box isnt suficient for my needs). Will there be any compormise in my security since i ll propably need to decrypt my encrypted partiotion before i can use grub bootloader and boot to windows? furthermore is there any chance that i wont be able recover bootloader after windows instalation? |
| 21:31.04 | greycat | And the MANUAL does not tell me where this "aptitude reference guide" is. |
| 21:31.22 | n4dir1 | knows well why he never had much interest in aptitude ... |
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| 21:32.31 | jhutchins | Good man pages are always such a pleasure to find. |
| 21:32.36 | n4dir1 | dess: from the top of my head: when having encrypted, the /boot partition is not encrypted, hence there is noting to decrypt to boot for example Windows |
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| 21:33.06 | n4dir1 | and last time i checked Windows will overwrite grub (or mbr, or whatever), so yes, you will have to repair (reinstall) grub |
| 21:33.10 | jhutchins | greycat: I'll track it down if it ever becomes important to me. |
| 21:33.15 | n4dir1 | which is quite a bit of fun, if you use encryption ... |
| 21:33.52 | n4dir1 | short: no security problem, and yes, grub problem (imho, of course) |
| 21:34.17 | dess | by fun you mean? is there any chance that i ll have to format the whole disk again? |
| 21:34.20 | greycat | /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README appears to contain some information on these things, but I don't know whether that's the "reference guide". It's self-identifying as a "user's manual". |
| 21:35.00 | n4dir1 | dess: by "fun" i mean it is slightly more difficult than without encryption. without is straight forward, with is a bit of fiddling (for me, might be others are more smart than i am) |
| 21:35.28 | n4dir1 | but no, no need to reformat the disk, reinstall or anything like that. imho. just a dude from the internet. |
| 21:35.50 | dess | thx n4dirl btw check my disk partition |
| 21:35.51 | dess | http://paste.debian.net/908154 |
| 21:35.52 | jhutchins | greycat: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/index.html |
| 21:36.02 | greycat | Is that different from the README? |
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| 21:36.29 | greycat | They both say "aptitude user's manual" in all lower case at the top. |
| 21:36.31 | jhutchins | greycat: Yeah, looks pretty thorough. |
| 21:36.52 | jhutchins | greycat: reference guide is chapter three. |
| 21:36.53 | teraflops | freesandman: sorry? |
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| 21:37.46 | n4dir1 | dess: i sure am not in lvm. sorry |
| 21:38.35 | greycat | In case you get tired of installing and removing packages, aptitude includes a version of the classic game \u201cMinesweeper\u201d. |
| 21:38.50 | greycat | ... wtf |
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| 21:39.32 | dess | i was thinking that mabe lvm would ve more chalenging . great... |
| 21:39.40 | dess | *be |
| 21:39.47 | abrotman | greycat: you must have that new fancy version of Minesweeper |
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| 21:41.02 | n4dir1 | no super-cow powers but minesweeper instead? why not |
| 21:41.12 | greycat | Super cow powers are better. |
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| 21:47.08 | Resilience | when the kernel routes, in which order are routes listed with /sbin/route applied? |
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| 21:48.25 | greycat | I would try very extremely hard to avoid the situation where a given destination IP could possibly match multiple routes (not counting "default" which is obviously used last). |
| 21:50.03 | Resilience | greycat, obviously both of them, but this is not my situation, I am only writing down some notes for my students and I would like to know of there is some order, or if there sin't |
| 21:51.43 | greycat | Well, I don't have an exact answer. If nobody else here does either, then try ##networking or possibly ##linux. |
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| 21:52.54 | Resilience | greycat, but default is always the last oe for sure, right? |
| 21:53.09 | greycat | I'm pretty certain. |
| 21:53.33 | Resilience | greycat, thanks, and by the way why channels with double #? |
| 21:53.53 | greycat | It's a thing one of the Freenode admins decided to do 10 years ago. Not everyone followed his suggestion. |
| 21:54.13 | Resilience | greycat, ah, and what does it mean? |
| 21:54.40 | greycat | The intent was that a single # channel would be the "official" support for a specific free software project of that name, and ## would be any unofficial channels. |
| 21:55.03 | greycat | Which breaks down completely when the channel name is not the name of a free software project, like #c or #sed. |
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| 21:55.53 | Resilience | wouldn't it be easier to say #whatever-official ? |
| 21:56.10 | greycat | A good number of channel said "fuck this, we aren't moving". |
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| 21:56.34 | greycat | Thus you have #awk but ##sed just because one of them moved and the other did not. |
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| 21:57.08 | Resilience | but you type /join #whatever and the server logs ou to ##whatever if it exists |
| 21:57.21 | greycat | Only if a redirection has been set up on the server. |
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| 21:57.52 | freesandman | ok, thanks I will try to explain: I have cut off magsafe (tm) plug |
| 21:58.09 | freesandman | shit sorry |
| 21:58.35 | Resilience | greycat, thanks for everything |
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| 22:29.37 | mosasaur | my ntfs disk is still dirty. upgrading ntfs-3g to sid did not solve the problem so I reverted it back to jessie |
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| 22:30.15 | mosasaur | sudo ntfsinfo -fm /dev/sdb2 |
| 22:30.27 | mosasaur | WARNING: Dirty volume mount was forced by the 'force' mount option. |
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| 22:32.18 | mtn | mosasaur: have you tried using ntfsfix? |
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| 22:32.44 | mosasaur | mtn: yes. didn't work although it claimed success |
| 22:32.53 | missmbob | did you force -d? |
| 22:33.11 | mosasaur | missmbob: not that I know of |
| 22:33.17 | missmbob | then it wouldnt clear dirty |
| 22:33.42 | mosasaur | will read the manpage |
| 22:33.53 | SpaceAce | any good CLI tools for browsing the local network shares? |
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| 22:34.47 | Its_all_turtles | helo |
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| 22:37.48 | Resilience | SpaceAce, smbclient |
| 22:38.29 | mosasaur | missmbob: it did clear the dirty flag, but did not solve problem (cannot remove some dir) |
| 22:39.23 | missmbob | mosasaur: then you'll probably need to run proper chkdsk on the volume. good luck with that |
| 22:39.42 | mosasaur | thanks missmbob |
| 22:40.14 | missmbob | mosasaur: there are images out there of windows "live" |
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| 22:41.04 | mosasaur | missmbob: any chance of succesfully reformatting it to ext(something) it's a 4TB portable USB |
| 22:41.50 | mosasaur | if so I'll just copy the files to somewhere else temporarily |
| 22:41.55 | missmbob | mosasaur: sure. |
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| 23:04.39 | nmschulte | Does anyone use anacron to manage daily tasks? Do you find the default config works for you, to get those tasks run? |
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| 23:06.24 | stevessss | so.. one debian system calls a package flite-dev... another calls it libflite1-dev.. neither makrs the other package as installed and both install the same files |
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| 23:06.39 | stevessss | how do I trick an install script into thinking my system has both using dpkg command line? |
| 23:06.50 | stevessss | maybe apt-mark? |
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| 23:08.00 | stevessss | so.. I want it to say libflite1-dev is installed(when there is no such package for my distro) and to provide the same version and file-list as flite-dev |
| 23:08.09 | stevessss | when I query this with dpkg command-line |
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| 23:11.13 | evotopid | nmschulte: Do you have specific issues with anacron? I haven't used it since I use systemd timers, I think both are trying to provide similar functionality though. |
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| 23:12.44 | nmschulte | evotopid: after looking into things, it looks like the default config in debian for Anacron is basically useless, unless your time is sync'd a lot (NTP or w/e drives systemd's time-sync.target). |
| 23:13.34 | nmschulte | Or, your machine is always on at a proper hour during the day. Otherwise, it doesn't really expose the magic that is Anacron, you're just left w/ cron-like behavior. Over shorter time-scales (order of a day) the config doesn't help. over a week/month, it might. |
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| 23:21.47 | jim | themill, are you here? |
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| 23:28.44 | jim | themill, anyway, your bot judd threw an error message "An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more informaton." when I did "pciid [8086:095a] --release stretch" |
| 23:29.37 | themill | poor bot... thanks. I'll add that to the todo list |
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| 23:32.07 | themill | Due to various changes in the kernel packaging, the pciid stuff is completely busted for stretch and sid atm. I basically need to rewrite from scratch (which is work in (slow) progress) |
| 23:32.07 | skiddie | im a SKRIPT KIDDIE! |
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| 23:32.36 | skiddie | i need SKRIPTZ! |
| 23:32.49 | skiddie | MORE SKRIPTZ TO H4X0R PEEPLE |
| 23:32.54 | themill | skiddie: that's enough thanks. |
| 23:33.06 | evotopid | nmschulte: Maybe you would have more luck contacting the maintainer or filing a feature request ? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=anacron;dist=unstable |
| 23:33.13 | skiddie | themill: enough of me being a script kiddie or just enough of the all caps? |
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| 23:33.46 | nmschulte | evotopid: I am trying to solicit input so I don't look dumb -- I'm going to submit a patch / feature request as you suggest. |
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| 23:34.34 | nmschulte | It seems odd no one else has noticed this, but then again, I'm just now discovering wtf anacron does, so ... |
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| 23:38.17 | evotopid | nmschulte: I am sorry but I really am no expert on anacron. My guess is that it might be getting less attention these days since there are systemd timers which bring all kinds of scheduling functionality on the desk and most of us are using systemd already anyway. |
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| 23:44.01 | scriptkiddie | hi |
| 23:44.12 | scriptkiddie | 0x000003 |
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| 23:45.42 | bazhang | scriptkiddie, really? |
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| 23:45.52 | themill | scriptkiddie: when you've grown up, let me know |
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| 23:46.51 | phogg | he was just in ##linux doing this until he got banned |
| 23:47.42 | elky | it's just geeknerd, he wants the attention |
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