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| 00:18.04 | aaronlevy | I am running (essentially): apt-get update && apt-get install <a few packages> && apt-get upgrade -- but I am still seeing some out of date packages (OpenSSL, for example). However, if I run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade again as a second step - the packages are updated. Concrete example e.g. why is this line needed: |
| 00:18.06 | aaronlevy | https://github.com/aaronlevy/kubernetes/blob/88e396da369ae5efaacc66ee2ecdaca73ed31f71/cluster/images/hyperkube/Dockerfile#L37 |
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| 00:23.04 | aaronlevy | nm. I believe it is a docker thing (caching a pre-built layer). |
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| 00:36.15 | pingfloyd | aaronlevy: if you see packages help back, you need to use apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 00:39.20 | sandeepkr_ | is there a a debian based OS that comes with numpy and matplotlib pre installed? |
| 00:40.22 | aedinius | preinstalled? why not just install it? |
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| 00:46.02 | sandeepkr_ | aedinius, i know but the case here is a bit different.Need it for a live cd. |
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| 00:51.21 | rjsalts | sandeepkr_: you can build custom live cds |
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| 00:52.41 | sandeepkr_ | rjsalts, with the help of which utility? |
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| 00:57.22 | rjsalts | sandeepkr_: there are debian-live packages in the repo to help build them. https://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/live-manual/stable/manual/html/live-manual.en.html#409 was the best I could find |
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| 00:59.14 | rjsalts | sandeepkr_: or maybe https://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/live-manual/stable/manual/html/live-manual.en.html#847 |
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| 01:07.55 | sandeepkr_ | thanks rjsalts |
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| 01:13.17 | toruvinn | eeeeh. hello, what would be the best solution to get newer sqlite3 package in wheezy, without dist-upgrading (dont want to do that, not yet)? dpkg-building from the jessie source for example? sadly it's not in backports. |
| 01:13.27 | somiaj | ,v sqlite3 |
| 01:13.28 | judd | Package: sqlite3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.7.13-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 3.7.13-1+deb7u3; jessie-security: 3.8.7.1-1+deb8u1; jessie: 3.8.7.1-1+deb8u2; stretch: 3.14.2-1; sid: 3.14.2-1 |
| 01:13.54 | somiaj | toruvinn: you could try to backport the sqlite from jessie by following /msg dpkg ssb |
| 01:13.59 | somiaj | !wheezy-lts |
| 01:14.00 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages. No changes to /etc/apt/sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts. |
| 01:14.07 | toruvinn | somiaj, yeah, i need 3.8.2 at least for "without rowid" support. |
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| 01:14.38 | toruvinn | somiaj, mhmm. let's see. thanks. |
| 01:14.53 | somiaj | toruvinn: though depending on your time line it might also be a good push to think about changing to jessie. Though streetch will be out before wheezy-lts is done. |
| 01:15.17 | somiaj | Note you will have to take responsbility for security support for this backport you make. |
| 01:16.12 | toruvinn | somiaj, thanks. |
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| 01:35.28 | tom99 | hey somiaj |
| 01:35.39 | tom99 | any idea how to go about filing a bug report for a package on wheezy and/or jessie? |
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| 01:36.04 | tom99 | surfist and i were talking about a defective packages libgweather in the gnome desktop |
| 01:36.07 | tom99 | and ways to maybe fix it or patch it |
| 01:36.12 | jmcnaught | tom99: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 01:36.49 | jmcnaught | it's unlikely to get fixed in wheezy, and will probably only get fixed in jessie if it doesn't require a version bump |
| 01:37.03 | jmcnaught | (and if someone contributes a fix) |
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| 01:39.45 | tom99 | what do you mean by version bump? |
| 01:39.56 | jmcnaught | tom99: version increase |
| 01:39.59 | tom99 | if you go the source package on the gnome site then the latest version fixes the problem with it |
| 01:40.06 | tom99 | so it would have to be a version update i think |
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| 01:40.54 | ryouma | jmcnaught: my understanding from a prev conv is that somebody was working on it and it would be fixed in jessie. but this was a while back. |
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| 01:41.16 | jmcnaught | tom99: fixes are often backported to packages in Debian Stable. This is different than backporting a package, it means taking a patch that fixes the issue and applying it to the version in Debian Stable |
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| 01:41.21 | tom99 | i think there might be dependency issues as well, so a wheezy update may be impossible. but it also doesn't work in jessie IIRC |
| 01:41.43 | jmcnaught | tom99: only in rare circumstances involving security will versions increase in a Debian Stable release, like the samba upgrade a few months ago |
| 01:41.57 | ryouma | jmcnaught: so backports can contain both types of backports? |
| 01:41.59 | jmcnaught | ryouma: is there a bug already reported for it? |
| 01:42.02 | tom99 | so if it was to be fixed in jessie then the preferred way would be a patch? |
| 01:42.14 | ryouma | jmcnaught: no clue. i don't understand deiban's mechanisms or i'd have tried to look it up. |
| 01:42.26 | jmcnaught | ryouma: what is the package name? |
| 01:42.32 | ryouma | weather-util, i think |
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| 01:43.11 | ryouma | also it's broken in gkrellm's weahter app |
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| 01:43.22 | ryouma | (for precisely the same reason most likely) |
| 01:43.55 | jmcnaught | ryouma: you can log bugs up with http://bugs.debian.org/<package name>, so http://bugs.debian.org/weather-util |
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| 01:45.03 | tom99 | we were discussing two different packages, libgweather-3-0 and weather-util. I believe they are independent from what my system is telling me. |
| 01:45.12 | tom99 | but surfist might know more |
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| 01:45.44 | tom99 | we had a simple fix for weather util, changing the URL in a couple files fixed it |
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| 01:45.51 | tom99 | so that would be the time to use a patch? |
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| 01:47.19 | ryouma | jmcnaught: thanks. seems the bug is there. |
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| 01:47.54 | jmcnaught | tom99: the first step is to look for the bug, but don't expect it to be fixed for wheezy, which is LTS only now |
| 01:48.02 | ryouma | jmcnaught: suppose i figure it will take too long for them to fix it (no clue). then would i (1) just edit the files in place or (2) perform some clever debian redirection thing to the fixed files? |
| 01:48.39 | ryouma | (or (3) figure out how to recompile my own package or whatever) |
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| 01:49.28 | ryouma | seems to be this for weather-util https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=835264 |
| 01:49.30 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/835264 in weather-util (open): «weather-util: NOAA has discontinued weather.noaa.gov»; severity: important; opened: 2016-08-23; last modified: 2016-08-27. |
| 01:50.02 | ryouma | except it is grave, judd |
| 01:50.09 | acu | what is the current kernel in Debian Stretch ? |
| 01:50.22 | TomTomTosch | ,kernels |
| 01:50.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.5-1); stretch: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.4-2); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2) |
| 01:50.39 | stensonlives | <b>Hi</b>. |
| 01:50.42 | jmcnaught | ryouma: there is dpkg-divert. or you could download the source package and try to make a patch for it |
| 01:51.00 | acu | thanks judd |
| 01:51.39 | ryouma | hmm, that was what i was thinking of, but from the man page seems like it wouldn't work here |
| 01:52.34 | jhutchins | Is there some trick to getting ssh working with the live CD? I keep getting key errors when I try to connect. It could just be a bad IDE controller is not loading sshd cleanly. |
| 01:54.55 | tom99 | jmcnaught, so we've found the bug and also identified a fix which I tested. |
| 01:55.04 | tom99 | Is the next step to submit some sort of patch? |
| 01:55.40 | tom99 | The fix is actually suggested by the maintainer in the thread, so I'm not sure submitting a patch would be meaningful. |
| 01:56.27 | jmcnaught | tom99: you mean weather-util? i'm sure a patch would be welcome. i didn't read the bug report though. |
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| 01:57.05 | jmcnaught | jhutchins: is it the client or server running the live CD? |
| 01:57.17 | tom99 | jmcnaught: it is a simple URL change of a couple files |
| 01:57.28 | tom99 | but for some reason it hasn't been fixed by the maintainer |
| 01:58.42 | somiaj | tom99: what files? Config files? Creating a patch and submitting it to the bug report can help move things along. |
| 01:59.32 | tom99 | somiaj: the file weather.py which is in /usr/share |
| 01:59.40 | somiaj | tom99: https://wiki.debian.org/UsingQuilt#Basic_quilt_tasks |
| 02:00.09 | somiaj | most likey the source package uses quilt and with that you can download the jessie source, apply all the patches then create a new one using quilt. |
| 02:00.24 | tom99 | somiaj: i don't understand, a package that already uses Quilt? |
| 02:00.34 | tom99 | oh ok |
| 02:01.04 | somiaj | tom99: the debian patches on the source are made with quilt. Those instructions should work (I'm unsure if all debian sources use quilt but I think most do) |
| 02:01.12 | somiaj | well note made, managed. |
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| 02:02.57 | tom99 | hmm ok thanks somiaj |
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| 02:03.04 | tom99 | that looks like something i could get started with I guess |
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| 02:03.25 | tom99 | once the patch is submitted what do you think the likelihood of it being verified and applied is? |
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| 02:04.29 | jmcnaught | tom99: i don't think it will happen at all for wheezy. for jessie it could happen for a point release |
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| 02:05.14 | tom99 | hmm. i'm not sure how encouraging that is, esp given the maintainer surely knows about the fix already |
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| 02:05.37 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:05.53 | jhutchins | jmcnaught: Not sure which one I grabbed, its non-GUI though. |
| 02:06.08 | jmcnaught | maintainers are often very busy people, if you submit a patch that works it will help move things along |
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| 02:06.32 | tom99 | alright thanks jmcnaught |
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| 02:06.45 | jmcnaught | jhutchins: and you're getting an error on the client? what is the error? is replacing the host keys okay? |
| 02:09.01 | jmcnaught | (and do you have console access?) |
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| 02:09.17 | jhutchins | jmcnaught: It's getting a key error, even though I'm trying to login with a password. Pam is enabled. |
| 02:09.46 | jhutchins | jmcnaught: The problem is it's a wounded server, and so far I get a limited window to work on it before the DVD fails and I can't do any system calls. |
| 02:10.17 | jmcnaught | jhutchins: what does the error say? is it about client or host keys? |
| 02:10.32 | jhutchins | jmcnaught: I don't think it says which it is. |
| 02:11.02 | jmcnaught | jhutchins: not even with -vvv? can you make a paste? |
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| 02:11.25 | jhutchins | jmcnaught: I was looking for knowledge of the live configuration, I can do diagnostics tomorow if I have time to bring it up, but like I said it's a limited window, and I don't want to spend what may be finite time dinking with diagnostics and configuration. |
| 02:12.05 | jhutchins | jmcnaught: I do have experience diagnosing ssh connections, but I'd like it if the blasted live image just worked. |
| 02:12.47 | jmcnaught | jhutchins: sure, it's just hard to know what your problem is without the error message. if it's a problem with the host keys and you have console access, i would regenerate themm |
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| 02:13.01 | jhutchins | jmcnaught: I may re-burn it, I'm getting a LOT of buffer errors as it boots. So far the new DVD drive has not failed outright though, so if I have time to spend tomorrow I may get it working. I know I had it working before because I recovered some of the system. |
| 02:13.26 | simbalion | Hi, since accidentally removing some packages the other day, I can't 'open with gedit' items on my desktop anymore. Can someone tell me what controls that? |
| 02:13.26 | jhutchins | jmcnaught: Yes, like I said, not asking for diagnostic help, asking for knowledge of live. |
| 02:14.18 | jhutchins | simbalion: mime types? Look at your apt/dpkg logs and see what you removed. |
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| 02:14.36 | simbalion | jhutchins: thanks but there's like 30 packages and I have no idea what most of them are. I already tried that. |
| 02:14.48 | jhutchins | jmcnaught: THanks for the thoughts though. If I get time to hack at it tomorrow I may ask for help. |
| 02:15.16 | simbalion | It shouldn't matter what type of file it is. I right click it and select 'open with gedit' it should send a command 'gedit %1'. That is what's broken. |
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| 02:15.25 | jhutchins | I think burning a new DVD in hopes that it's a bad copy is one step. My theory is that the IDE controller is failing and that trashed the boot disk. |
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| 02:15.41 | somiaj | simbalion: is the package gedit installed? |
| 02:15.48 | jhutchins | simbalion: Ok, well as long as you know what the problem is then. |
| 02:15.49 | bmomjian | When I do: sh -c "sleep 400; ls" &, and kill the $! pid, any idea why the sleep 400 keeps running? |
| 02:16.06 | simbalion | jhutchins: I asked what package controls that. Thanks. |
| 02:16.56 | somiaj | simbalion: by cannot open, you mean that option is no longer there? |
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| 02:17.07 | simbalion | I didn't say that, did I? |
| 02:17.21 | simbalion | oh I guess I did, I should have worded it better. |
| 02:17.31 | simbalion | The option is there, it does not do anything. |
| 02:17.54 | somiaj | simbalion: just trying to be clear. And you said the gedit package is installed, so if you run gedit foo from the command line it works? |
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| 02:18.07 | simbalion | somiaj: I'll try from the CLI |
| 02:18.29 | simbalion | works as expected from the CLI |
| 02:18.57 | jmcnaught | simbalion: can you run nautilus from a terminal emulator, and then watch it for errors when you try to open with gedit? |
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| 02:19.46 | simbalion | jmcnaught: nautilus was not installed, that is one of the packages that was removed. I'm reinstalling it now |
| 02:20.08 | simbalion | it looks like it is installing most of the other packages too, as dependencies |
| 02:20.22 | somiaj | nautilus is the filemanager which basically controlls the desktop. I'm surprised you had the menu without nautilus. |
| 02:20.33 | somiaj | maybe the menu is part of gnome, but nautilus is needed to run the commands on the files. |
| 02:20.37 | jmcnaught | simbalion: maybe i missed it, but what program were right-clicking icons in if not nautilus? |
| 02:20.40 | simbalion | somiaj: I'm using xfce4, dunno how their desktop works |
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| 02:21.05 | jmcnaught | oh... probably thunar or something |
| 02:21.17 | jmcnaught | simbalion: do you have the task-xfce-desktop package installed? |
| 02:21.21 | simbalion | if I run nautilus from CLI and 'open with gedit' it works, but still doesnt work from the desktop |
| 02:21.49 | simbalion | jmcnaught: thanks that was half-installed |
| 02:22.11 | simbalion | The lesson here is never apt-get install selinux |
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| 02:22.36 | simbalion | well open with gedit still isn't working but maybe I need to restart X first |
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| 02:23.42 | jmcnaught | simbalion: selinux isn't a package on Debian. out of curiousity, what did you install exactly? |
| 02:23.51 | simbalion | jmcnaught: yes it is |
| 02:24.09 | simbalion | there aren't any profile packages but selinux has a package |
| 02:24.14 | jmcnaught | ,i selinux |
| 02:24.15 | judd | No package named 'selinux' was found in jessie/amd64. |
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| 02:25.35 | simbalion | jmcnaught: weird, I did an apt-cache search selinux and I don't see it but when I installed it the other day "selinux" was absolutely in the list of packages to be installed. |
| 02:25.48 | simbalion | I think I was installing setools |
| 02:25.49 | jmcnaught | simbalion: there are other packages like selinux-utils, but i asked because you wrote "apt-get install selinux" which makes me wonder if you installed a third party package. On debian stable, installing a package like selinux-utils shouldn't remove xfce packages |
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| 02:27.09 | simbalion | jmcnaught: Yeah something went terribly wrong. |
| 02:27.29 | jmcnaught | simbalion: "apt-get -s install setools selinux-utils selinux-basics" http://paste.debian.net/843776/ |
| 02:27.30 | simbalion | jmcnaught: it tried to remove systemd and a bunch of other important packages |
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| 02:27.39 | jmcnaught | it doesn't remove anything |
| 02:27.55 | simbalion | jmcnaught: Not going to argue about it. I've been in here asking for help the past 3 days as a result of what it did |
| 02:28.14 | simbalion | That is probably because some of the packages I'm using are from backports |
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| 02:29.27 | somiaj | simbalion: care to share the output of apt-cache policy at paste.debian.net |
| 02:29.33 | somiaj | simbalion: care to share the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net |
| 02:29.42 | somiaj | arg, I didn't need to repeate that. :/ |
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| 02:30.06 | simbalion | If I had more time I'd be happy to help debug but I dont |
| 02:31.05 | simbalion | I'm willing to accept it was a freak occurence due to my particular system make-up, and if I had just paid more attention to what apt was saying at the time I never would have let it do the initial damage. |
| 02:31.08 | somiaj | well if you are mixing sources you should know about it soon and fix it. |
| 02:31.25 | simbalion | I'm not mixing sources |
| 02:31.37 | simbalion | I install some things from backports, thats all |
| 02:32.40 | somiaj | that can sometimes cause issues due to how backports is pinned. |
| 02:32.54 | simbalion | yes I understood the risks |
| 02:33.12 | simbalion | unfortunately some of the software I want to use required using backports to get up to date versions |
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| 02:34.06 | tx | stable in a nutshell |
| 02:34.07 | tx | :) |
| 02:34.17 | simbalion | yup |
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| 02:34.58 | ceon | live is interessting |
| 02:34.58 | ceon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:35.00 | simbalion | all things considered, I think Debian does it best |
| 02:35.06 | tx | of course |
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| 02:35.13 | tx | I use stable for things I want stable |
| 02:35.20 | tx | not as a desktop OS though. it's sid/stretch for that. |
| 02:35.27 | ceon | I love debian |
| 02:35.29 | stoned | I use stable for desktop |
| 02:35.31 | simbalion | I want my desktop to be stable |
| 02:35.31 | stoned | fulltime |
| 02:35.34 | stoned | works great |
| 02:35.43 | tx | I imagine it would! |
| 02:35.44 | somiaj | backports are fine to use, just sometimes apt can't figure out the best solution when jessie-backport packages are installed and it hits a version dependency issue. Instead of looking in backports for a solution it may remove packages. |
| 02:35.48 | simbalion | I can't stand when stuff breaks. and I use my desktop for my primary work PC so it needs to function when I tell it to |
| 02:35.58 | ceon | but often I got problems make easy stuff :-( |
| 02:35.58 | ceon | I know since hmm 10 years cuos is on 632 |
| 02:36.16 | stoned | I don't know why people always want to use the latest software |
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| 02:36.41 | simbalion | stoned: features. For example the nginx that ships with jessie is very outdated, doesn't include support for HTTP/2, for one example. |
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| 02:37.03 | simbalion | the nginx in backports is up to date tho and includes HTTP/2 support |
| 02:37.05 | ceon | port nuber stoned gg+ |
| 02:37.08 | ceon | lol |
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| 02:37.17 | tx | stoned: Because I am a software engineer. |
| 02:37.25 | tx | Part of that involves trying new things. |
| 02:37.36 | ceon | Fist time I meet normal people in here lol* |
| 02:37.51 | stoned | There is no such thing as normal |
| 02:38.07 | ceon | of course I study software design |
| 02:38.11 | jmcnaught | simbalion: for stuff like nginx you should install it in a container or a VM, not directly on your desktop system |
| 02:38.21 | simbalion | I bet most average PC users would be happy with stable. Most people use their PC for web browsing, youtube, and maybe email, and that's all. |
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| 02:38.31 | tx | Of course. |
| 02:38.33 | ceon | hmm |
| 02:38.42 | simbalion | jmcnaught: I don't have nginx on my desktop it was just an example. I manage a dozen servers that run nginx tho |
| 02:38.57 | ceon | I make brake of study and work |
| 02:39.29 | ceon | I wanna do at leat 2 years Graphic stuff |
| 02:39.29 | ceon | Gang Of 4 ... |
| 02:39.29 | ceon | burnt me kind of out .. |
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| 02:39.50 | jmcnaught | ceon: do you have a Debian question? |
| 02:40.03 | ceon | I was 10 year admin |
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| 02:40.35 | ceon | most people use them PC at work and hate if them have to leran like SAP - new mask... |
| 02:40.35 | ceon | private they all use just mobile |
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| 02:41.41 | ceon | yes I really trie all called root at night |
| 02:41.41 | ceon | but want help - mine histoty aint work :-( |
| 02:41.41 | ceon | history |
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| 02:42.17 | ceon | and I still drive debian 8 |
| 02:42.22 | ceon | or Knoppix |
| 02:42.38 | ceon | I think I was born with Linux DNA lol |
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| 02:43.08 | ceon | and by the way |
| 02:43.26 | ceon | non of us got much time so |
| 02:43.36 | missmbob | !offtopic |
| 02:43.36 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 02:43.48 | ceon | technican engineers please |
| 02:43.48 | ceon | think |
| 02:43.48 | ceon | faster |
| 02:43.48 | ceon | better |
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| 02:44.13 | TomTomTosch | debhelper says no^^ |
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| 03:27.58 | adhy | hay |
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| 03:30.50 | annoymouse4210 | Is it safe to install sid debian package in jessie? |
| 03:31.08 | dvs | no |
| 03:31.08 | missmbob | no |
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| 03:32.05 | annoymouse4210 | then what a bout testing? |
| 03:32.17 | missmbob | no |
| 03:32.18 | annoymouse4210 | what about installing testing? |
| 03:32.18 | dvs | no |
| 03:32.20 | annoymouse4210 | no?? |
| 03:32.50 | missmbob | !tell annoymouse4210 about jessie-backports |
| 03:37.41 | biotim | generally not good to mix packages from different releases https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 03:38.01 | annoymouse4210 | yeshttps://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian |
| 03:38.08 | missmbob | annoymouse4210: care to tell us which package? |
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| 03:38.37 | annoymouse4210 | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/zfs-dkms I'm trying to because in backports it is 0.6.5.7 |
| 03:38.49 | annoymouse4210 | I need 0.6.5.8 , since I want to change my kernel 4.8 |
| 03:39.01 | missmbob | ,checkbackport zfs-dkms |
| 03:39.02 | judd | Backporting package zfs-dkms in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
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| 03:39.07 | missmbob | should be easy enough |
| 03:39.14 | missmbob | !tell annoymouse4210 about ssb |
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| 03:40.20 | annoymouse4210 | dkms dosen't work because it is only applied up to kernel 4.7 |
| 03:40.59 | dvs | 4.8 isn't even released yet |
| 03:41.42 | missmbob | that's sns at it's best ;) |
| 03:42.34 | annoymouse4210 | oh I see.. |
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| 04:24.58 | jair | hello everyone, anyone have been able to pair bluetooth devices successfully? |
| 04:25.08 | jair | headsets? mice? for example |
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| 04:25.32 | tx | yes |
| 04:25.39 | tx | I use my BT headphones daily |
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| 04:27.32 | Rusty1_ | !mint |
| 04:27.33 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 04:27.48 | Rusty1_ | jair: umkay? |
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| 04:33.41 | jair | tx: hi there sorry about that |
| 04:34.11 | tx | ? |
| 04:34.20 | jair | tx: I am wondering if this is an issue after some of the package upgrades in debian, but before I did pair a file very easily |
| 04:34.41 | jair | tx: currently I am having issues pairing the headsets and also mice |
| 04:34.44 | tx | try removing the device in blueman-manager |
| 04:34.49 | tx | and re-adding |
| 04:35.09 | jair | tx: I did that no luck so I removed the blue-man because it did not produced any change |
| 04:35.36 | tx | what are you using to manage bluetooth devices? |
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| 04:45.49 | jair | tx: sorry I am using the default "bluetooth" package applet in the cinnamon desktop I installed as GUI |
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| 05:32.02 | joj[] | Is there a canonical way for adding entries to fstab from package maintainerscripts? I.e. possibly not just 'echo' |
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| 05:34.22 | missmbob | joj[]: you should ask them. #ubuntu |
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| 05:34.54 | tx | missmbob: just because joj[] said canonical |
| 05:34.56 | tx | doesn't mean ubuntu lol |
| 05:35.19 | tx | canonical actually has a dictionary meaning too |
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| 05:38.35 | rjsalts | i.e. accepted as being accurate and authoritative |
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| 05:40.30 | rjsalts | joj[]: I don't know of any packages that append things to /etc/fstab. You'd presumably want it to be idempotent |
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| 05:42.21 | no_gravity | Can a command that has been forked with & be reattached to? |
| 05:43.15 | missmbob | no_gravity: fg |
| 05:44.18 | no_gravity | missmbob: "man fg" gives me "fg [job_spec]". What is job_spec? |
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| 05:44.51 | rjsalts | no_gravity: 1 2 3 etc. If you have multiple backgrounded processes |
| 05:45.29 | no_gravity | rjsalts: How do I get the number? |
| 05:46.09 | rjsalts | no_gravity: e.g. "[1]+ Stopped" when you hit ctrl-z or "[1] pid" if you do foo& |
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| 05:46.24 | missmbob | or jobs |
| 05:46.37 | missmbob | that'll give you the id |
| 05:46.49 | no_gravity | "[1] pid"? |
| 05:46.57 | missmbob | so then you'd do fg 1 |
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| 05:47.30 | rjsalts | http://paste.debian.net/844013/ |
| 05:47.36 | no_gravity | missmbob: Not sure what you mean. |
| 05:47.43 | no_gravity | missmbob: I did this: wget 127.0.0.1 & |
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| 05:48.00 | rjsalts | [1] being the job id, and pid being the numeric process id |
| 05:48.02 | no_gravity | missmbob: I set it up so that wget takes forever. So I have time trying to reattach. |
| 05:48.12 | no_gravity | missmbob: Now how can I reattach to wget? |
| 05:48.41 | no_gravity | ps tells me the pid of wget, but "fg <pid>" does not work. |
| 05:48.45 | missmbob | i'm not sure i can be clearer. fg. if you have multiple background jobs you type jobs to get the id. then fg id |
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| 05:49.07 | missmbob | it's job id. not pid |
| 05:49.11 | no_gravity | missmbob: I see. That seems to only work in the shell where the process was started. |
| 05:49.16 | missmbob | yes |
| 05:49.26 | no_gravity | Can I reattach from another shell? |
| 05:49.34 | missmbob | for that you need to look into screen or tmux. |
| 05:50.04 | no_gravity | missmbob: I know screen and tmux. But my use case is: Attach to a process that was started and forked in another shell. |
| 05:50.49 | ransur0t | glances? |
| 05:51.03 | no_gravity | Googling around, the solution seems to be quite complex. |
| 05:51.21 | no_gravity | Creating a fifo pipe and then attaching the process to it via gdb. |
| 05:51.30 | rjsalts | aye |
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| 05:53.26 | rjsalts | no_gravity: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/49106/how-to-recover-a-backgrounded-job-from-a-previous-shell |
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| 05:53.46 | no_gravity | rjsalts: Yeah, saw that answer about reptyr. |
| 05:53.55 | no_gravity | rjsalts: Prefer to only use already installed tools though. |
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| 05:55.06 | rjsalts | no_gravity: the reptyr is basically a bunch of automation around the fifo gdb open file descriptors, etc. |
| 05:55.15 | no_gravity | rjsalts: Yeah |
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| 05:55.55 | gebruiker | is the new flash alerady available for linux? |
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| 05:56.28 | gebruiker | source: http://www.zdnet.com/article/adobe-reanimates-npapi-flash-for-linux-after-4-year-stasis/ |
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| 05:59.08 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, dpkg can't find anything on "search packages" or "find packages". Any suggestions? |
| 06:00.05 | rjsalts | Lady_Aleena: I think that's the other bot, datase or something? |
| 06:00.21 | joj[] | rjsalts: I see. I was hoping for something similar like pam-auth-update and friends. So I'll roll my own, thanks. |
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| 06:01.02 | Lady_Aleena | rjsalts, datese is not online. |
| 06:01.03 | ransur0t | Lady_Aleena: apt-cache search <package> or apt-cache policy <package> |
| 06:01.06 | rjsalts | joj[]: You could look on debian codesearch |
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| 06:04.34 | Lady_Aleena | head desks as her eyes water from search. |
| 06:04.54 | rjsalts | joj[]: https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=fstab+path%3A%2Fdebian%2F*postinst |
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| 06:05.30 | Lady_Aleena | It is so hard to find something like GTK3 themes. |
| 06:05.37 | rjsalts | joj[]: yep, there is nothing that touches fstab in postinst |
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| 06:16.30 | Lady_Aleena | Um, I just tried using wine and was just told wine command not found. Is wine a root only command? |
| 06:16.40 | missmbob | no |
| 06:17.51 | Lady_Aleena | So why did "wine Downloads/npp.7.Installer.x64.exe" return "bash: wine: command not found"? |
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| 06:18.13 | missmbob | how did you install wine? |
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| 06:18.35 | Lady_Aleena | missmbob, didn't it come with Debian 8 install? |
| 06:19.02 | missmbob | Lady_Aleena: it's not installed by default, no. you have to apt-get install it |
| 06:19.31 | Lady_Aleena | missmbob, one would think it would come with the install. |
| 06:19.47 | babilen | dpkg: wine |
| 06:19.47 | dpkg | wine is, like, ine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ .https://wiki.debian.org/Wine http://wiki.winehq.org/HowTo http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See also <newer wine>. |
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| 06:21.14 | missmbob | Lady_Aleena: also, fyi, https://itsfoss.com/notepad-alternatives-for-linux/ |
| 06:21.24 | missmbob | installing wine for notepad++ is kind of silly |
| 06:22.31 | Lady_Aleena | missmbob, well notepadd++ is the only text editor with everything I need. |
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| 06:24.34 | Lady_Aleena | Great, it won't install. I'm so screwd. |
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| 06:25.25 | Lady_Aleena | Looks like I'll have to go nuts learning a new text editor and getting used to not having everything I need. |
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| 06:25.57 | missmbob | Lady_Aleena: notepadqq should be an exact clone |
| 06:26.08 | missmbob | but learning something new never hurt |
| 06:26.28 | Lady_Aleena | missmbob, notepadqq is missing A LOT! |
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| 06:28.38 | Lady_Aleena | missmbob, but my eyes will bleed for a long while since I can't configure the styles the way I want and I will always be fighting the text editors line wrapping. |
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| 06:31.09 | ti-mo | Morn |
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| 06:31.25 | ti-mo | Morning/afternoon/evening |
| 06:31.46 | ti-mo | Does anyone know where the 4.6 kernel package went in backports? |
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| 06:32.25 | ti-mo | https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/linux-image-amd64 lists a broken dependency on linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
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| 06:32.55 | ti-mo | same for https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/linux-source :( |
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| 06:33.14 | Lady_Aleena | After I installed wine and tried in install notepad++, I was given this message: as root, please execute "dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update && |
| 06:33.14 | Lady_Aleena | apt-get install wine32" |
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| 06:34.20 | Lady_Aleena | Now whenever I apt-get update, I get the following: http://paste.debian.net/844073/ |
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| 06:34.45 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a way to reverse the previous to correct the apt-get update? |
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| 06:35.24 | no_gravity | When I fork a command with & - and I see it's job #1. Do I do "disown 1" and then I am able to exit the shell without killing it? |
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| 06:36.48 | no_gravity | Hmm.. no, that gives me "-bash: disown: 1: no such job" |
| 06:36.59 | no_gravity | Strange. I see it as "1" in the output of "jobs". |
| 06:37.27 | no_gravity | Do i have to "bg" it first? |
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| 06:41.54 | tom99 | question |
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| 06:42.08 | tom99 | what programs do you guys like to use for symbolic computation and mathematical operations? |
| 06:42.21 | tom99 | i'm thinking things like maxima, but I'm not sure if there's other ones. |
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| 06:43.29 | no_gravity | "disown" with no parameter seems to work. |
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| 06:48.32 | Jidoor | how would i make this work scp $remote:/path/to/target /path/to/destination |
| 06:48.40 | Jidoor | i want to use an environment variable for hostname |
| 06:50.33 | TomTomTosch | Lady_Aleena: 1386 is no valid architecture. i386 is. dpkg --remove-architecture 1386 and try again without a typo. |
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| 06:51.59 | AciD` | Jidoor > export first? |
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| 06:53.29 | Jidoor | i have the var exported |
| 06:53.30 | morriswaker | Anyone seen that new Denial film by Becker Street? |
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| 06:54.01 | Jidoor | but it doesn't seem to work i guess it doesnt know when the var name ends |
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| 06:55.43 | Jidoor | hmm it worked now |
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| 06:55.54 | Jidoor | think i just needed to make a new bash session |
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| 07:03.44 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTosch, THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! |
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| 07:10.52 | TomTomTosch | Lady_Aleena: also keep in mind that windows uses DOS newline symbols and linux uses unix ones. check if you can save files with Unix/Linux line endings in notepad++ if you want to use it to edit file in linux for some reason i can't get behind. |
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| 07:12.44 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTosch, I can. |
| 07:12.57 | Lady_Aleena | As soon as I can get this installed. |
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| 07:19.02 | Lady_Aleena | I am getting the following message: Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf", line 14: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated. please move it to /home/me/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf manually |
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| 07:19.27 | d0d50fe2e21a57c8 | Funny song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyxNgnQ9m30 |
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| 07:20.15 | Lady_Aleena | So, I went to /etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf which lead me to /usr/share/fontconfig/conf.avail/50-user.conf which looks like: http://paste.debian.net/844127/ |
| 07:20.22 | Lady_Aleena | Do I delete the last two lines? |
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| 07:24.40 | TomTomTosch | it's just a warning and something that should be fixed by the maintainer fontconfig-config |
| 07:24.49 | TomTomTosch | * of |
| 07:25.03 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTosch, I am getting it every time I try to install something with wine. |
| 07:25.21 | Lady_Aleena | 3 instances of it. |
| 07:26.20 | Lady_Aleena | https://paste.linux.community/view/7adce0bf and it may be mucking up with with working of wine. |
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| 07:27.15 | TomTomTosch | yes, but it's just a warning. you can remove those lines if it bothers you, though. |
| 07:27.30 | TomTomTosch | or comment them out instead of deleting them. |
| 07:27.40 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTosch, how do I get rid of them when they come up whenever I use wine? |
| 07:27.56 | TomTomTosch | a line above you have an example of how to do multiline comments in XML |
| 07:28.25 | Lady_Aleena | Oh comment the lines out of the 50-user.conf? |
| 07:28.36 | Lady_Aleena | I will give that a whirl. |
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| 07:28.54 | TomTomTosch | yes, if it bothers you. but it will not make the error go away, only the fontconfig warnings. |
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| 07:29.19 | debian-alain | hi guys , could you help me ? |
| 07:29.43 | somiaj | debian-alain: just ask your question. |
| 07:29.52 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTosch, thank you again... |
| 07:30.02 | debian-alain | i have a problem with melt and v4l2-ctl |
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| 07:30.37 | debian-alain | i have no more video and no more sound on my system |
| 07:30.51 | TomTomTosch | Lady_Aleena: on the n++ website they also provide the binary in a zip file, try that if the installer doesn't work. also, try the 32 bit version if the 64 bit one doesn't work with wine. |
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| 07:31.12 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 07:32.07 | debian-alain | hi darxmurf |
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| 07:32.37 | darxmurf | I have a basic SMB conf with a public share. It's working fine on windows 7 or non updated windows 10 machines. No password is asked. Now for any obscure reason it's kicking updated windows 8 and 10 out. Oo |
| 07:33.01 | darxmurf | I tried now to change to : max protocol = SMB2 |
| 07:33.04 | ranix | smb isn't working well for me lately either |
| 07:33.14 | ranix | I wasn't able to get it to improve by forcing smb2 |
| 07:33.20 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTosch, I've tried both installers, neither work for me. |
| 07:33.23 | darxmurf | but now I have a credential popup on the windows |
| 07:33.31 | ranix | it works fine for me on old versions of windows but not on mac os |
| 07:33.32 | darxmurf | I can enter any account and I can then access the files |
| 07:33.39 | darxmurf | but is there a way to avoid this popup ? |
| 07:33.45 | ranix | haha wtf |
| 07:33.46 | darxmurf | and force smb to use a dummy user ? |
| 07:34.04 | ransur0t | Lady_Aleena: curious, why the need for n++ with so many alternatives on linux? |
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| 07:34.17 | darxmurf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.17 | darxmurf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.33 | darxmurf | this maps bad logon to a dummy user |
| 07:34.41 | debian-alain | ey guys , but what about my problem ? |
| 07:34.44 | Lady_Aleena | ransur0t, because Linux devs don't believe in things like specificity in syntax highlighting. |
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| 07:34.56 | ranix | darx, can you just use a password |
| 07:34.57 | TomTomTosch | wat? ^^ |
| 07:34.58 | darxmurf | but as this share is open, I don't care about password :-/ |
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| 07:35.03 | ranix | how many users do you have |
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| 07:35.37 | darxmurf | well, I have a script which copy files from this share every time you launch a windows app. |
| 07:35.48 | darxmurf | I can eventualy update this script |
| 07:35.49 | ranix | a hack is to set up a samba share account using the same username you log into windows with |
| 07:35.51 | Lady_Aleena | ransur0t, it there were a *nix text editor which could discern between a perl $scalar, @array, and %hash I would use it. |
| 07:35.52 | ranix | and using the same password |
| 07:36.15 | darxmurf | impossible, too much users |
| 07:36.20 | ranix | k |
| 07:36.29 | darxmurf | some of them are in a AD domain |
| 07:36.33 | darxmurf | some other not |
| 07:36.37 | Lady_Aleena | Kate and Kwrite lump them together which is annoying. |
| 07:36.41 | darxmurf | but this issue is weird |
| 07:36.48 | ransur0t | Lady_Aleena: ah, I see ... I'm no expert on such specifics, perhaps a dev would now of an app that meets your needs ... |
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| 07:36.57 | ransur0t | *know |
| 07:37.31 | darxmurf | that's why I'm wondering if there is a way to map any smb access to the same user without asking a pass |
| 07:37.46 | Lady_Aleena | ransur0t, the one closest was scite, however, the config files all required root access while running scite. |
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| 07:38.20 | ranix | darxmurf: I think if you set "guest only = yes" in smb.conf it might stop asking for a password |
| 07:38.23 | Lady_Aleena | Now if scite's configs did not require root, I might use it. |
| 07:38.25 | TomTomTosch | Lady_Aleena: you tried the wrong editors. notepad++, Kare, Kwrite are toys. try sublime text or one of the many free development environments. |
| 07:38.33 | ranix | darxmurf: as long as the guest user is valid and stuff |
| 07:39.10 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTosch, can I turn line wrapping off with a mouse click? |
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| 07:40.26 | TomTomTosch | Lady_Aleena: sublime text is havily modifiable, you can even set a key combination for that. |
| 07:40.41 | d0d50fe2e21a57c8 | SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA |
| 07:40.47 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTosch, um, E: Unable to locate package sublime |
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| 07:41.09 | d0d50fe2e21a57c8 | SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA |
| 07:41.15 | darxmurf | ranix: in the [global] or [share] section ? |
| 07:41.16 | Lady_Aleena | That guy was just banned from ##linux. |
| 07:41.20 | ranix | just use the unicode swastika |
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| 07:41.24 | ranix | idiot |
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| 07:41.37 | ranix | search google for "unicode swastika" |
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| 07:41.39 | ranix | copy paste |
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| 07:41.41 | ranix | how hard is it |
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| 07:42.50 | darxmurf | well... it's maybe hard for a dumbass |
| 07:43.13 | ranix | I think it works in either if you only have the one share |
| 07:43.23 | ranix | I'd try in share first |
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| 07:44.26 | TomTomTosch | Lady_Aleena: it's not packaged for debian. their website has a tarball. there are a bunch of free development environments for debian. eclipse has a plugin for perl. |
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| 07:45.56 | darxmurf | ah |
| 07:45.56 | darxmurf | You should use security = user and map to guest if you want to mainly setup shares without a |
| 07:46.00 | darxmurf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.13 | darxmurf | let's try |
| 07:46.58 | ranix | oh man cups, I remember that |
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| 07:48.19 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTosch, maybe when I am not on the verge of tears every ten minutes. I still have to set up KMail and that is going to be horrible too. |
| 07:48.39 | TomTomTosch | it's not running away. |
| 07:48.45 | darxmurf | Helpdesk services will hate you |
| 07:48.46 | darxmurf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.48 | darxmurf | map pages... |
| 07:48.50 | darxmurf | :D |
| 07:48.52 | darxmurf | man |
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| 07:50.43 | darxmurf | anyway it's not working :-/ |
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| 08:00.00 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTosch, thank you for helping me tonight. |
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| 08:00.44 | TomTomTosch | np^^ |
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| 08:03.00 | darxmurf | ranix: the simple solution now is to edit my windows script and add "/user:guest guest" in the net use command |
| 08:03.19 | ranix | cool |
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| 08:05.44 | edmont | hi |
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| 08:05.56 | edmont | I made apt-get build-dep foo and a lot of packages installed |
| 08:06.00 | edmont | how I remove then? |
| 08:06.19 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a way to run something, like VLC, from the command line and be able to shut down the terminal emulator without shutting down VLC? |
| 08:06.36 | somiaj | edmont: you can look at the apt log for the full list. I'm unsure if there is a nice automatic way to remove them though. |
| 08:06.44 | darxmurf | Lady_Aleena: add à & after your command ? |
| 08:07.06 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: there are ways to disassociate with something like nohup. Though running in screen can help too. |
| 08:07.24 | somiaj | darxmurf: the process is still a child of the terminal, so if the terminal dies, the process dies |
| 08:07.39 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: though tmux seems to be more the rave these days than screen |
| 08:07.58 | Lady_Aleena | The reason I asked is I was running notepad++ from the command line, shut down the terminal emulator, which shut down notepad++, which made me lose all the settings. |
| 08:08.20 | darxmurf | somiaj: ah yep |
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| 08:09.29 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: I'd suggest looking into tmux or screen, this you can still reattach to the shell if you kill the terminal. |
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| 08:09.56 | bibble_ | installed rtorrent yesterday, and ran as normal user. found this in the logs and want to check everything's OK ? |
| 08:09.59 | bibble_ | http://termbin.com/5dzp |
| 08:11.31 | TomTomTosch | Lady_Aleena: you can create desktop files to start application with wine. |
| 08:11.47 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTosch, already have a favorite key assigned to it. |
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| 08:15.07 | Lady_Aleena | At least I didn't have to spend a week to get sound working this time. (That only took about 3 hours this time.) |
| 08:15.40 | Lady_Aleena | If that. |
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| 08:16.40 | Lady_Aleena | Now to figure out if I want to continue to argue with Apache about my local perl libs, or give up using local perl libs and install modules into the root libs. |
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| 08:18.50 | Lady_Aleena | It appears Apache does not honor my .bashrc settings when it comes to my local libs, and I can not find a doc which tells me exactly how to set them up in plain speak. |
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| 08:21.56 | Lady_Aleena | Kmail after I get some sleep, since it is the thing which will have me broken and bleeding when I am done. |
| 08:22.48 | ranix | Lady_Aleena: ctrl+z in the terminal to send it to background |
| 08:22.54 | ranix | bg to continue execution while it's in the background |
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| 08:23.00 | ranix | disown to detach it from the terminal |
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| 08:23.54 | Lady_Aleena | ranix, I'm relaxing now. My brain hurts. |
| 08:23.57 | HelloEarth | hello |
| 08:24.01 | HelloEarth | Someone with ELK (Elasticsearch, logstash and kibana) syslog system experience???????? |
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| 08:24.56 | ranix | I was answering your notepad++ question |
| 08:25.07 | Lady_Aleena | ranix, thank you. |
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| 08:27.34 | Lady_Aleena | I wish I could have found a *nix text editor I liked, but I have not. I looked at the top 6-10 when I first started on Debian, but none were to my liking. |
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| 08:28.24 | ranix | it's called vim |
| 08:28.33 | jelly-home | neovim! |
| 08:28.36 | ranix | learn to like it or live in squalor until the end of days |
| 08:28.47 | Lady_Aleena | ranix, nope. Looked at vim and ran screaming. |
| 08:28.54 | ranix | you still have to learn it |
| 08:29.28 | Lady_Aleena | ranix, short reason why? |
| 08:29.43 | ranix | its workflow improves your productivity immeasurably |
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| 08:29.49 | johnwhatever | emacs is better! |
| 08:30.04 | ranix | true |
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| 08:30.59 | ranix | you should not be using a graphical editor unless you are creating a graphical document |
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| 08:31.09 | ranix | imho |
| 08:31.46 | Lady_Aleena | ranix, when I am copying and pasting gads, using a text editor in a terminal emulator is a pain in the a$$. |
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| 08:31.57 | ranix | why |
| 08:32.02 | ranix | you can paste into vim |
| 08:32.09 | Lady_Aleena | No mouse. |
| 08:32.11 | johnwhatever | Lady_Aleena: use emacs |
| 08:32.48 | Lady_Aleena | johnwhatever, emacs failed some of my taste tests, though I can't remember what. |
| 08:32.49 | ranix | you can use the mouse to paste into vim from outside vim, and you can use vim to highlight and cut and copy and paste and substitute faster than can be done with a mouse |
| 08:33.03 | johnwhatever | if you like to run in terminal, you can use emacs -QW |
| 08:33.22 | ranix | there's also gvim if you are a filthy herectic |
| 08:33.35 | Lady_Aleena | I use nano for quick config edits, notepad++ for writing big things. |
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| 08:35.43 | Lady_Aleena | My old computer could have been nice and not died on me until AFTER I did the bills. |
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| 08:36.53 | Lady_Aleena | I have got to get my heretic self away from the keyboard for approximately an hour at least. |
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| 08:37.55 | Lady_Aleena | ranix, nice chatting with you. |
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| 08:38.08 | Lady_Aleena | And TomTomTosch, you saved me tonight. |
| 08:38.19 | Lady_Aleena | is away. |
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| 08:57.03 | yareckon | hey folks, I'm trying to recover data for a friend off of a small windows 7 ssd |
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| 08:57.38 | yareckon | its mbr format supposedly, but gparded and fdisk show two partitions, both larger than the actual disk size |
| 08:57.56 | yareckon | palimpsets / udisk shows an unknown partition type |
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| 08:58.18 | yareckon | I'm pretty sure the drive is good and uncorrupted |
| 08:58.34 | yareckon | any Ideas what format or black magic this might be? |
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| 09:00.08 | yareckon | the partition type is listed by fdisk as ntfs |
| 09:00.12 | yareckon | Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type |
| 09:00.13 | yareckon | /dev/sdb1 * 2048 209717247 209715200 800G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT |
| 09:00.13 | yareckon | /dev/sdb2 209717248 250064895 40347648 153.9G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT |
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| 09:00.48 | yareckon | but the disk is only an 128GB ssd, so an 800GB partition is unlikely ;) |
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| 09:01.22 | yareckon | anyone run into somthing like this before? |
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| 09:04.37 | darxmurf | what happened with this disk ? |
| 09:04.43 | ranix | cya Lady_Aleena |
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| 09:05.42 | yareckon | darxmurf, was in a normal windows 7 laptop |
| 09:05.49 | domovoy | hi |
| 09:05.59 | yareckon | might have had some damage |
| 09:06.09 | yareckon | laptop power supply died as far as I can tell |
| 09:06.17 | yareckon | guess disk might have had some damage |
| 09:06.27 | yareckon | but I think it a bit unlikely |
| 09:06.35 | ranix | what kind of ssd and where's it from |
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| 09:06.47 | ranix | is it faking having 800g |
| 09:06.47 | yareckon | crucial mx100 |
| 09:06.50 | yareckon | 128GB |
| 09:07.00 | domovoy | i installed debian using debootstrap --variant=minbase. I now need the "ping" command. Which package do you recommend? iputils-ping, or inetutils-ping? why? |
| 09:07.01 | yareckon | yeah, It's a wee fella |
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| 09:07.13 | ranix | I mean, is it intentionally faking |
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| 09:07.24 | yareckon | no, it's something wonky |
| 09:07.25 | ranix | sometimes in used equipment you'll see ebay's special parts |
| 09:08.06 | darxmurf | yareckon what if you try to mount partitions ? |
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| 09:08.26 | darxmurf | or if you plug it in another windows machine ? |
| 09:08.36 | yareckon | darxmurf, then would have to get a windows box |
| 09:08.38 | yareckon | :) |
| 09:09.23 | ranix | it's ntfs so it might be doing any number of strange things |
| 09:09.42 | ranix | maybe someone used some software to clone a partition |
| 09:09.56 | darxmurf | I would first try to read the disk under windows before to manipulate that on linux |
| 09:10.14 | yareckon | yeah, am gonna tead lightly |
| 09:10.18 | yareckon | tread |
| 09:10.45 | yareckon | not gonna try to mount a partition with phantom extents |
| 09:10.47 | yareckon | ok |
| 09:11.14 | rafalcpp | how to get debg symbols on debian stable? |
| 09:11.16 | darxmurf | NTFS is quite rock solid, I never lost files |
| 09:11.35 | darxmurf | but if something fooked up the partition table it can be funky to recover |
| 09:11.51 | darxmurf | there are some tools to scann the whole disk and try to fix the partition table |
| 09:11.52 | TomTomTosch | rafalcpp: usually by installing a package marked -dbg |
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| 09:12.01 | rafalcpp | TomTomTosch: I mean -dbgsym |
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| 09:13.02 | ransur0t | yareckon: fixmbr ... |
| 09:13.57 | rafalcpp | I get W: Failed to fetch http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/dists/jessie-debug/main/binary-amd64/Packages: 404 Not Found [IP: 149.20.20.22 80] |
| 09:14.20 | yareckon | ransur0t, is there a read only mode for that? |
| 09:14.50 | ranix | yareckon: calculate the actual size of the partition based on the number of sectors used |
| 09:14.56 | rafalcpp | following https://wiki.debian.org/AutomaticDebugPackages - are there no symbols for jessie? |
| 09:14.56 | ranix | the formula is in fdisk output |
| 09:15.17 | rafalcpp | just installing -dbg from the main repository of jessie seems to still lack some symbols |
| 09:15.19 | yareckon | I think I may also try to stick this drive in a usb enclusure and see if it's still weird |
| 09:15.50 | ranix | it will be |
| 09:15.54 | yareckon | there is some ( vanishingly small ) chance my sata adapter is gone crazy |
| 09:16.00 | ranix | I reckon the actual size of the partition is not the size that reports |
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| 09:16.20 | ranix | if it's misreporting how many sectors it has it's in a super weird state |
| 09:16.27 | yareckon | I pasted the fdisk output above |
| 09:16.29 | ranix | check out what's happened to it with smartctl or something |
| 09:16.33 | ranix | paste the whole output |
| 09:16.40 | yareckon | it does report a crapload of sectors |
| 09:16.41 | ranix | like Units: sectors of ... |
| 09:16.45 | ransur0t | yareckon: not sure ... long time since I've used a recovery cd/system recovery ... I suppose that you're already beyond the point of no return |
| 09:17.03 | yareckon | no, I'm just starting out :) |
| 09:17.15 | yareckon | I have no reason to think the drive is damaged at all |
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| 09:17.56 | yareckon | maybe it is, but the old machine worked fine, just had a power supply go bad |
| 09:17.57 | darxmurf | yareckon do you have any windows DVD/CD with you ? |
| 09:18.05 | yareckon | probably somewhere |
| 09:18.20 | ranix | that's a fairly irrelevant question |
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| 09:18.30 | darxmurf | boot on it and run the windows check tools |
| 09:18.37 | yareckon | What I do have is that windows defender offline virus boot thing |
| 09:18.48 | darxmurf | nop |
| 09:18.48 | yareckon | that's a good idea darxmurf |
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| 09:18.59 | ranix | do you just want to fix it or do you want to find out what happened |
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| 09:19.55 | yareckon | ranix, I want to do as little messing around as I can, and was coming here I hoped to hear "oh thats those new X type disks" install Y and it will read the size correctly |
| 09:20.10 | TomTomTosch | rafalcpp: "They are only available for testing, unstable and experimental at this point in time." |
| 09:20.10 | yareckon | but it sounds like there is actually a bit of a mystery |
| 09:20.54 | yareckon | I am gonna make a full disk clone (partition agnositc) |
| 09:21.04 | yareckon | too cover my butt |
| 09:21.23 | yareckon | then I'll find a windows disk to boot and hook it up to |
| 09:21.35 | yareckon | and see if it sees sane partitions |
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| 09:21.52 | yareckon | ugh ^too^to |
| 09:22.52 | yareckon | I'll report back |
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| 09:24.34 | jelly-home | yareckon: maybe the system had two disks? |
| 09:25.43 | yareckon | maybe -- its a massive 17in laptop, but it has only one visible hd bay |
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| 09:26.04 | yareckon | maybe I should google with the model # |
| 09:26.24 | yareckon | seems unlikely a 17in laptop would have a tiny ssd out of the box, seems like the wrong demographic |
| 09:26.41 | yareckon | might have been a replacement part (didn't ask) |
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| 09:28.32 | z8z | how to access my debian desktop using some remote desktop system? |
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| 09:34.19 | Alver | Hello. I'm running a mailserver on debian, with spamassassin. I've got custom scores set in /etc/spamassassin/local.cf, and restarted the service, but the scores are not being applied. What am I missing? |
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| 09:45.44 | ppf | hi |
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| 10:04.58 | ransur0t | z8z: vnc, ssh |
| 10:05.30 | z8z | ransur0t: cant figure why vnc doesn't show top bar in any window |
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| 10:08.14 | ransur0t | hmm, not familiar with that problem. I don't use vnc on linux (only on windows for corp. support at work) |
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| 10:08.31 | ransur0t | i use ssh redirect to run apps, not entire desktop |
| 10:09.20 | z8z | ransur0t: yeah but i need those to keep running when i close them |
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| 10:10.05 | ransur0t | hmm, is there an option in sshconfig to keep active processes running after closing terminal session? |
| 10:10.28 | z8z | ransur0t: no clue :| |
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| 10:15.49 | ransur0t | z8z: nohup long-running-process &, then exit |
| 10:15.56 | ransur0t | or use screen |
| 10:16.48 | ransur0t | worth a try, see if either option suits your need |
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| 10:33.51 | Lady_Aleena | comes back feeling a tad better. |
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| 10:44.28 | jgdx | what's the difference between dh_exec and dh_exec --with-install if there's e.g. a => directive in the .install file? |
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| 10:45.07 | jgdx | we've been assuming none, but I'm getting âdh_install: Cannot find (any matches for)â which either implies the => works but the file(s) are missing, or that => does not work |
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| 10:45.51 | jgdx | on ubuntu this seems to only fail for the most recent release (yakkety) and dh_exec 0.23 |
| 10:46.09 | Jakey3 | Can some one tell me why cronjob doesnt work |
| 10:46.10 | Jakey3 | https://paste.ubuntu.com/23250585/ |
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| 10:48.20 | bezaban | Jakey3: likely because it is being run as root and that user can't connect to the xserver as it is run by a different user |
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| 10:49.20 | bezaban | su user -c sceen.sh would be the cleanest fix if you know the xserver is run by a specific user |
| 10:49.23 | Lady_Aleena | My monitor does not have brightness settings, and I remember there was a program which could help me brighten my screen. Does anyone by chance know the name of it? I am not sure, but gamma may be in the name. |
| 10:52.06 | Jakey3 | bezaban, that makes sense. the "su user -c sceen.sh" would go in the script or cron? |
| 10:52.29 | relaxed | Lady_Aleena: man xrandr |
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| 10:56.12 | Lady_Aleena | relaxed, my brain just went *tilt*. |
| 10:56.46 | Lady_Aleena | relaxed, the man is horrible. |
| 10:58.09 | Lady_Aleena | To change brightness I have to multiply the gamma values(???) on the crtc(???) currently attached to the output to specified floating value(???). WTH? |
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| 10:58.53 | Lady_Aleena | The writers couldn't just allow numbers 0-9 or 1-10? |
| 10:59.08 | Lady_Aleena | I would take 0-100 |
| 10:59.33 | Lady_Aleena | And --brightness has to come after --output? HUH? |
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| 11:00.05 | noqnio1 | hey, debian stable here. How can i find more information about the bug that shows copies and dds finished but still copying in the background? |
| 11:00.24 | noqnio1 | and how can i verify the copy is complete? |
| 11:00.32 | Lady_Aleena | And none of the examples include --brightness so not sample usage. |
| 11:00.36 | Lady_Aleena | s/not/no/; |
| 11:01.07 | petn-randall | noqnio1: What still copies in the background? Can you elaborate? |
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| 11:02.01 | noqnio1 | if i drag&drop something big in a usb drive, when the progress bar disappears, the copy hasn't finished |
| 11:02.17 | noqnio1 | if i dismount and unplug the usb, my data is corrupt |
| 11:02.29 | noqnio1 | and it has happened to me with dd before as well |
| 11:02.42 | TomTomTosch | that would depend on the file manager you use. |
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| 11:03.16 | noqnio1 | it happened also on dd, and i read somewhere that it was some kind of kernel issue but i forgot, so im looking for more info |
| 11:03.21 | petn-randall | noqnio1: If you run dd you need to run 'sync' at the end for it to be on disk, or run dd with the fdatasync option. |
| 11:03.38 | petn-randall | noqnio1: For the other issue, this shouldn't happen, and it doesn't happen for me. |
| 11:04.09 | noqnio1 | hmm maybe i am doing something out of the ordinary |
| 11:04.15 | noqnio1 | does pv sync by itself? |
| 11:04.27 | petn-randall | noqnio1: pv? |
| 11:04.47 | noqnio1 | it is like a progress monitor for pipes |
| 11:04.55 | Lady_Aleena | ponders tweeting author of xrandr. |
| 11:05.01 | noqnio1 | but you can use it directly like pv < in.iso > /dev/out |
| 11:05.15 | TomTomTosch | because you have troubles understanding a manpage? |
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| 11:05.28 | bezaban | Jakey3: I usually do it in the cron :) |
| 11:05.33 | bezaban | Jakey3: but shouldn't matter |
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| 11:05.46 | petn-randall | noqnio1: pipe viewer? I'm assuming not, unless you have a fdatasync option. |
| 11:06.33 | noqnio1 | maybe that where it all went wrong.. |
| 11:06.39 | Jakey3 | bezaban, thanks |
| 11:06.51 | noqnio1 | but i do indeed have a problem when copying and pasting stuff on nautilus |
| 11:07.12 | TomTomTosch | Lady_Aleena: the man page is pretty clear. you use --output to select an output and use --brightness <some float> to multiply the gamma values |
| 11:07.13 | petn-randall | noqnio1: Could be. But are you sure it successfully unmounted before you pulled the device out? |
| 11:07.38 | noqnio1 | i don't remember :) |
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| 11:08.01 | petn-randall | noqnio1: If that is the case, the corruption could be coming from somewhere else. Is the filesystem still marked as dirty when you plug it back in? |
| 11:08.37 | noqnio1 | i rewrote it.. but i will check that out next time |
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| 11:09.18 | petn-randall | noqnio1: You should get some feedback that the disk is still writing. I don't use nautilus, but xfce's thunar, and it'll show a popup when you try to unmount it ala "The disk is still writing, please don't unplug until this message disappears". |
| 11:10.05 | noqnio1 | haven't seen such thing :D |
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| 11:10.40 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTosch, what is crtc? |
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| 11:11.52 | TomTomTosch | a video controller |
| 11:12.25 | TomTomTosch | xrandr --output VGA1 --brightness 1.2 to make it a bit brighter for example. |
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| 11:12.49 | TomTomTosch | you can you tab-complete to select an output. |
| 11:12.54 | TomTomTosch | * can use |
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| 11:14.03 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTosch, I was struck by typo again. |
| 11:14.37 | Lady_Aleena | *typo I didn't notice until I looked really close. |
| 11:15.19 | Lady_Aleena | Now will this stick, or do I have to modify something to make it happen each boot? |
| 11:15.42 | TomTomTosch | it does not get saved. |
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| 11:17.45 | Lady_Aleena | So I need to store this somewhere to load each boot. .bashrc maybe? |
| 11:18.49 | TomTomTosch | no, not bashrc. i use let lightdm call a script after boot to call xrandr. |
| 11:18.57 | TomTomTosch | s/use// |
| 11:19.55 | TomTomTosch | have to go, you will manage. |
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| 11:21.48 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTosch, I will probably sleep soon. Have a good day! |
| 11:25.49 | teraflops | Lady_Aleena: modern DMs do source ~/.xprofile |
| 11:26.14 | Lady_Aleena | teraflops, does that do in my home dir? |
| 11:26.24 | Lady_Aleena | Yes it does the ~/ tells me that. |
| 11:26.40 | teraflops | yeah that's what ~/ means |
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| 11:27.03 | Lady_Aleena | teraflops, I'm more used to seeing $HOME/stuff than ~/stuff |
| 11:27.15 | strixdio | having trouble getting my Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 15) working. Anyone have experience with this? |
| 11:27.40 | Alver | strixdio: I believe I have one or two machines with that series of controller, yes. What's not working with it? |
| 11:28.05 | strixdio | Alver: doesn't show up at all. |
| 11:28.11 | strixdio | except lspci of course. |
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| 11:29.55 | Lady_Aleena | I may have to tackle .xprofile later. Google failed to find me a simple page telling me how to write and get to run .xprofile. Shouldn't there be a page on the Debian site for .xprofile? |
| 11:30.24 | Alver | strixdio: modules loaded? (not sure which modules are required, but... let me check) |
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| 11:31.09 | Alver | ... ah, no, the machine I have now isn't Realtek based for ethernet |
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| 11:31.36 | strixdio | ah |
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| 11:33.02 | strixdio | Alver: everything I see says to blacklist r8169. Not sure what to use if I'm doing that. |
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| 11:41.13 | rafalcpp | from command line how to allow user "Mark" to become root without password (sudo su)? |
| 11:41.41 | rafalcpp | e.g. how to append "mark ALL=ALL......" line to visudo |
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| 11:41.50 | rafalcpp | from a script |
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| 11:42.29 | FinalX | rafalcpp: for scripts you probably _really_ want to limit the commands it can do, and not just simple ALL=ALL |
| 11:42.45 | FinalX | but: mark ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 11:42.48 | rafalcpp | FinalX: yeah I can write better line. but how to put it non-interactively |
| 11:42.48 | FinalX | to answer your question |
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| 11:43.21 | FinalX | eh, ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL |
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| 11:44.37 | rafalcpp | just create a new file in /etc/sudoers.d/ ? is there a need to call some update- command later? |
| 11:44.44 | Lady_Aleena | teraflops, btw, when you say DMs, I take it you do not mean dungeon masters. |
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| 11:46.20 | jelly-home | rafalcpp: no need, but if you create something with incorrect syntax sudo may just stop working |
| 11:46.39 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: Why not just give 'mark' the root password? Because that's what you're effectively doing. |
| 11:47.12 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: it's VM, no root password there |
| 11:47.32 | rafalcpp | or actually LXC |
| 11:48.00 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: What, in the big picture, do you actually want to achieve? Because you're using a quite contrived way to surpass user/permission separation in Linux. |
| 11:48.22 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: if user logs into LXC using on-target, he wants to easily become root from that point |
| 11:48.56 | rafalcpp | instead of exiting givne shell, and again entering LXC this time as root |
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| 12:06.09 | troy__ | Hello, I've been working on a project that requires a debian package for the past months. I have a question which I wasn't able to find an answer in the documentation. Is it possible to pass a paramater while installing the package via apt in such a way to exclude certain files? |
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| 12:07.49 | troy__ | For example, there are few files under /etc/supervisor/conf.d/ and I want to exclude 1 file from there in certain cases |
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| 12:10.39 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: Why not just give them root? You're just adding a manual step to the process that just annoys users and doesn't improve security. |
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| 12:19.48 | teraflops | Lady_Aleena: heh. I meant lightdm gdm etcetera |
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| 12:20.20 | Lady_Aleena | teraflops, what does the dm stand for? |
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| 12:20.47 | towo^work | display manager |
| 12:20.47 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: it's not for security, they can log in as root. They do not wish to exit console and go in again as root. (you can not have two consoles at once in this LXC setup) |
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| 12:21.14 | teraflops | Lady_Aleena: display manager |
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| 12:21.31 | teraflops | holy lag |
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| 12:21.58 | teraflops | Lady_Aleena: dungeon master is fine too ;) |
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| 12:23.10 | Lady_Aleena | Ah... |
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| 12:26.13 | petn-randall | or Debian Maintainer |
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| 12:39.03 | Lady_Aleena | This is as bad as trying to abbreviate terminal emulator and text editor. |
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| 12:39.33 | Lady_Aleena | Both would be TE, so confusion would erupt. |
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| 12:40.30 | jelly-home | "terminal emulator" is shortened to "xterm" |
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| 12:41.11 | Lady_Aleena | jelly-home, that would lead to confusion because there is an actual program called xterm. |
| 12:41.13 | jelly-home | DD also has different meanings, but context is important |
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| 12:41.28 | jelly-home | Lady_Aleena: and there's an actual xerox company |
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| 12:42.06 | jelly-home | xterm as a genericized term (pun not indented) |
| 12:42.12 | Lady_Aleena | Is there any way to use Xerox other than to be for the company? |
| 12:42.41 | jelly-home | but anyway. |
| 12:42.43 | jelly-home | !DM |
| 12:42.43 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <lightdm>, <gdm3>, <xdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer . For the deb-multimedia repository, ask me about <dmm>. |
| 12:42.47 | jelly-home | :-) |
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| 12:47.55 | troy__ | anyone is able to help with what I mentioned above? |
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| 12:48.33 | dhalgren | hi! not sure this is the best place for this q -- anyone using very lightweight browsers? I'm looking for an alternative to surf, to use on an ancient laptop (celeronM 1.4ghz, 512mb ram) as its a bit unstable to me |
| 12:48.40 | dhalgren | so any recommendations? |
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| 12:50.35 | TomTomTosch | dhalgren: midori seems to be popular for that usecase. |
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| 12:51.18 | teraflops | os midori still maintained? |
| 12:51.28 | petn-randall | lynx? |
| 12:51.37 | teraflops | is* |
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| 12:52.01 | abrotman | Midori was in Jessie I'm fairly certain, but as one might expect, lots of things don't work |
| 12:52.10 | abrotman | judd: versions midoria |
| 12:52.11 | judd | No package named 'midoria' was found in amd64. |
| 12:52.12 | abrotman | judd: versions midori |
| 12:52.13 | judd | Package: midori on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1; jessie-backports: 0.5.11-ds1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.5.11-ds1-4; sid: 0.5.11-ds1-4; experimental: 0.5.12~wk2-exp1 |
| 12:52.26 | abrotman | Amaya is long gone I'm pretty sure |
| 12:52.37 | teraflops | well, xchat is in jessie too... |
| 12:52.45 | dhalgren | petn-randall: I do use w3m most of the time actually :) but for some websites, I need to fire up a graphical one. Its actually quite practical, I just press a shortcut over a link and it pops up reasonably quickly |
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| 12:54.44 | dhalgren | TomTomTosch: thx, I'm gonna check it out again. its been a while, so I don't remember exactly, had some issue w it about a year ago |
| 12:55.13 | TomTomTosch | well, maybe not if it's dead. it has been a while since i used it^^ |
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| 12:56.23 | Lady_Aleena | Have a good day everyone... |
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| 12:57.27 | TomTomTosch | interestingly, it migrated to testing a month ago, so maybe there is still demand^^ |
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| 13:00.03 | dhalgren | :) nice |
| 13:00.06 | teraflops | ,v dnssec-trigger |
| 13:00.07 | judd | Package: dnssec-trigger on amd64 -- jessie: 0.13~svn685-4; sid: 0.13~svn685-5; stretch: 0.13~svn685-5 |
| 13:00.29 | l0llip0p | exit |
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| 13:06.01 | magnum | hi, what package is adwaita theme inc|uded? |
| 13:06.23 | tx | gnome-themes-standard |
| 13:06.26 | tx | if I recall correctly. |
| 13:06.58 | magnum | thanks |
| 13:07.11 | tx | all good :) |
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| 13:21.21 | p3nt4 | !jeff |
| 13:21.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, jeff is a programmer php. |
| 13:21.34 | tx | !dpkg |
| 13:21.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
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| 13:58.12 | alpha_one_x86 | Hello, what will be the next stable, sid o strech? |
| 13:58.28 | tx | sid is always sid |
| 13:58.31 | tx | it never becomes stable |
| 13:58.35 | tx | stretch will be next :) |
| 13:58.39 | beastwick | sid always breaks his toys |
| 13:58.45 | tx | yeah :) |
| 13:59.06 | bezaban | sid can't have nice things |
| 13:59.15 | tx | well |
| 13:59.18 | tx | sid has all the nice things |
| 13:59.21 | tx | they just break a lot |
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| 14:39.09 | fas3r | Hello |
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| 14:40.20 | fas3r | I have a 2 broadcom BCM5719. The interface are going UP before the OS is booting but when debian is loaded, I have one of the 4interfaces which is not going up. |
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| 14:40.37 | fas3r | any idea ? |
| 14:40.41 | tx | are you using network-manager |
| 14:40.49 | fas3r | all other interface are up without a glich.. |
| 14:40.49 | tx | or a configuration in /etc/network/interface |
| 14:40.52 | fas3r | nop |
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| 14:41.05 | tx | what are you using to configure them then |
| 14:41.10 | fas3r | basically eth0 is down but eth1, 2 and 3 are up. |
| 14:41.48 | Akuli | what's the output of your /sbin/ifconfig? |
| 14:42.01 | tx | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.10 | fas3r | I do bonding |
| 14:42.11 | tx | because the bad one is down :P |
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| 14:42.29 | tx | ah, could it be that the additional interface isn't part of the bond? |
| 14:42.31 | fas3r | also I can only access it from the IDRAC card it will be difficcult to post any outpute. |
| 14:42.34 | Akuli | does ifconfig only show up ones by default? |
| 14:42.35 | tx | what is the contents of your interfaces file? |
| 14:42.36 | fas3r | tx: it is |
| 14:42.39 | Akuli | interesting |
| 14:42.58 | Akuli | fas3r, use a pastebin :) |
| 14:43.00 | fas3r | all interface are up beside eth0 |
| 14:43.15 | Akuli | /sbin/ifconfig -a | netcat termbin.com 9999 |
| 14:43.20 | fas3r | Akuli: from a java applet to get remote access ? |
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| 14:43.32 | Akuli | what? |
| 14:43.34 | fas3r | all the interface are down I dont have internet on this server |
| 14:43.47 | greycat | 10:43 fas3r|#debian> all interface are up beside eth0 |
| 14:43.57 | fas3r | greycat: I dont have internet |
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| 14:44.03 | fas3r | on this server |
| 14:44.16 | Akuli | so can you pastebin your ifconfig to us so we can help you get it working? |
| 14:44.22 | greycat | You said "all interfaces are up besides eth0" and then LESS THAN A MINUTE later you said "all the interface are down". |
| 14:44.36 | tx | The situation seems to have made a turn for the worse quickly |
| 14:44.37 | fas3r | I deployed 2 servers already |
| 14:44.42 | fas3r | sae configuration |
| 14:44.48 | fas3r | same configuration |
| 14:44.54 | tx | could it be a hardware / cabling issue |
| 14:45.28 | tx | have you tried switching cables to see if that fixes it |
| 14:45.37 | fas3r | nop it's not hardware, I just reinstalled the OS. it was working before |
| 14:45.51 | tx | so if it was working before |
| 14:45.53 | tx | and now it isn't |
| 14:45.58 | tx | the configuration isn't the same. |
| 14:46.04 | fas3r | also at the boot, all the led are blinking normally |
| 14:46.14 | Akuli | maybe the distro/release isn't the same? |
| 14:46.18 | fas3r | it is. |
| 14:46.21 | fas3r | debian jessy |
| 14:47.40 | darxmurf | is there a way in a ldap authentification to add a ldap filter ? |
| 14:47.55 | tx | you'd hope so |
| 14:47.58 | tx | that's half the point |
| 14:48.00 | darxmurf | we have a huge ldap directory here and some guys got multiple accounts |
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| 14:48.14 | darxmurf | and there is a field in the ldap like "primaryAccount=1" |
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| 14:48.33 | fas3r | tx, I also tried an centos and it's working |
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| 14:48.36 | tx | darxmurf: it depends on how you have your ldap stuff configured |
| 14:48.49 | tx | usually there is a searchFilter field |
| 14:48.49 | darxmurf | samba+AD+ldap |
| 14:48.53 | greycat | what stops me from making 7 accounts, each one with a different name, and each one with primaryAccount=1 ? |
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| 14:49.03 | darxmurf | tx: in the ldap.cnf ? |
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| 14:49.56 | alpha_one_x86 | Into stretch, why it don't found proftpd? |
| 14:50.03 | alpha_one_x86 | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/proftpd-basic |
| 14:50.03 | greycat | ,v proftpd |
| 14:50.04 | judd | No package named 'proftpd' was found in amd64. |
| 14:50.05 | fas3r | tx: so I can confirm that's not an hardware issue |
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| 14:50.13 | greycat | ,v proftpd-basic |
| 14:50.14 | judd | Package: proftpd-basic on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.4a-5+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.3.4a-5+deb7u3; jessie: 1.3.5-1.1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1.3.5-1.1+deb8u1; sid: 1.3.5a-1 |
| 14:50.44 | greycat | You can go ask the stretch support channel why it's not currently in stretch. We can't know, because the web page we used to use for this is broken. |
| 14:50.49 | tx | darxmurf: are you using saslauth? |
| 14:51.17 | alpha_one_x86 | have you the exacte stretch support channel name? |
| 14:51.25 | greycat | "Latest update: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 08:23:13 GMT" |
| 14:51.29 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 14:51.29 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:51.43 | alpha_one_x86 | thanks |
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| 14:52.17 | darxmurf | tx: hmmm don't think so |
| 14:52.44 | darxmurf | no daemon running |
| 14:53.40 | tx | hmm |
| 14:53.50 | tx | I've only set it up using saslauthd pass-through |
| 14:53.50 | darxmurf | should I add SSSD over this ? |
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| 14:59.15 | darxmurf | time to leave, I'll check that tomorrow :-) |
| 14:59.18 | darxmurf | thanks ! |
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| 15:01.55 | fas3r | tx: the only thing that I see is that the interface get "interrupt :17 " when I check it with ifconfig |
| 15:02.07 | tx | that's okay |
| 15:02.17 | fas3r | that's the only difference with the other card. |
| 15:02.23 | fas3r | interface sorry |
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| 15:06.20 | fas3r | alright fuck this shit, good by debian, hello centos |
| 15:06.35 | slax0r | problem solved? |
| 15:06.38 | fas3r | no |
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| 15:10.31 | petn-randall | I'm sure they're more than happy to welcome such a personality to their user base. |
| 15:11.09 | greycat | "I have a problem" "Show the details" "No" ... time passes ... "Fuck this you guys suck!" |
| 15:11.35 | tx | just wait |
| 15:11.43 | tx | he will realize that centos is very different and come crawling back |
| 15:12.06 | jelly-home | I hope centos will work just fine for them. |
| 15:12.09 | greycat | We still won't be able to help him from vague hand-waving descriptions. |
| 15:12.15 | tx | of course |
| 15:12.56 | jelly-home | EL has saner defaults for quite a few enterprisey options, that sometimes saves you some trouble compared to debian |
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| 15:14.02 | petn-randall | Well, if you get yelled at by a user it sometimes helps to know that you're getting paid ... in the enterprise context that is. |
| 15:14.46 | jelly-home | but bonding is a pita on both |
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| 15:21.19 | phapsubb9 | hello |
| 15:21.25 | tx | hi! |
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| 15:22.24 | phapsubb9 | i'm new, i wish everyone help me use Kali, please |
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| 15:22.55 | phapsubb9 | i'm not know begin where? |
| 15:22.56 | greycat | !kali |
| 15:22.56 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 15:24.45 | phapsubb9 | i'm have install Kali Linux 2016.2. but i can't use |
| 15:24.57 | tx | please ask in #kali-linux |
| 15:25.02 | tx | This is for debian support. |
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| 15:25.37 | phapsubb9 | begin, i want to use any tool in Kali |
| 15:26.02 | missmbob | phapsubb9: what part of ask #kali-linux, not here, do you not understand? |
| 15:26.23 | BishamonX | Hey, guys. Was Steam pulled out of Debian Stretch? |
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| 15:26.38 | missmbob | ,v steam |
| 15:26.39 | teraflops | missmbob: I think it's a communication issue |
| 15:26.39 | greycat | !tel BishamonX about debian-next |
| 15:26.39 | judd | No package named 'steam' was found in amd64. |
| 15:26.43 | greycat | !tell BishamonX about debian-next |
| 15:26.47 | missmbob | damn it's i386, always forget |
| 15:26.49 | tx | !debian-next |
| 15:26.50 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 15:27.23 | missmbob | BishamonX: odds are you just have to add i386 arch. |
| 15:27.55 | tx | yes |
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| 15:28.04 | tx | the steam UI is 32-bit |
| 15:28.07 | tx | ;) |
| 15:28.16 | BishamonX | Thanks for the info, guys. Wasn't aware this channel was for Stable only, apologies. |
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| 15:32.45 | banchod0789 | hello |
| 15:33.04 | tx | olleh! |
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| 15:33.25 | teraflops | olé? |
| 15:33.35 | BishamonX | lol |
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| 15:38.25 | banchod0789 | let's talk about hacking |
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| 15:38.39 | petn-randall | banchod0789: Let's not. |
| 15:38.51 | tx | I prefer petn-randall's idea. |
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| 15:39.00 | petn-randall | banchod0789: Congrats on installing Kali. Support is in #kali-linux. |
| 15:39.08 | banchod0789 | then what kind of topic you want |
| 15:39.17 | petn-randall | banchod0789: Did you read the topic? |
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| 15:39.26 | banchod0789 | what ? |
| 15:39.28 | abrotman | looks in .. |
| 15:39.29 | tx | Do you know where you are? |
| 15:39.40 | banchod0789 | you tell me |
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| 15:39.48 | abrotman | banchod0789: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 15:39.50 | tx | #debian, a channel for debian stable discussion. |
| 15:39.51 | banchod0789 | #debian |
| 15:39.52 | petn-randall | banchod0789: Type /topic in your IRC client. |
| 15:40.05 | banchod0789 | oh yeah |
| 15:40.23 | banchod0789 | how did you know that i have installed kali |
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| 15:40.35 | abrotman | banchod0789: Do you need help with Debian or not? |
| 15:40.35 | tx | because you're a "hacker" |
| 15:40.38 | abrotman | this isn't a social channel |
| 15:40.42 | banchod0789 | yes |
| 15:40.53 | abrotman | banchod0789: then please ask your question, otherwise, move on |
| 15:41.14 | banchod0789 | how to install tar.xz file |
| 15:41.18 | petn-randall | banchod0789: Because all the clueless skiddies who installed Kali end up here when opening their IRC client. |
| 15:41.25 | abrotman | banchod0789: in which OS? |
| 15:41.33 | banchod0789 | kali linux |
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| 15:41.44 | abrotman | banchod0789: you've been told, use #kali-linux, have a nice day |
| 15:41.44 | greycat | banchod0789: kali support is in #kali-linux |
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| 15:50.16 | croddy | does kali default to joining this channel or something? |
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| 15:50.24 | croddy | or is that a feature of its audience |
| 15:50.45 | tx | probably the latter |
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| 16:06.34 | dax | croddy: it's a feature of its audience, they do the same with #ubuntu |
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| 16:09.24 | somiaj | croddy: most likely depends if the derivative wants to edit the irc client package or just put it into their repo. |
| 16:09.34 | somiaj | and they would ahve to edit each one. |
| 16:09.38 | teraflops | I don't use kali I wonder what happens when you start hexchat and join to freenode |
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| 16:10.17 | hmpf1 | Hi |
| 16:10.17 | hmpf1 | where is the right place to configure me network to try DHCP and then fall back to link local when it does not get a lease. But to keep trying DHCP in the background. |
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| 16:11.45 | somiaj | hmpf1: sounds like you want to use something like network manager. |
| 16:12.17 | hmpf1 | I dont have a gui. cmi only. |
| 16:12.33 | somiaj | you don't need a gui for network manager, and can control it via nm-cli |
| 16:12.34 | tx | use nmcli then |
| 16:12.45 | teraflops | somiaj: or nmtui |
| 16:12.48 | somiaj | but by default the debian interfaces file is a one time thing, it runs at start but won't run in the background |
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| 16:13.00 | somiaj | maybe using dhcpcd over dhclient would be all you need to fix this problem. |
| 16:13.03 | teraflops | nmtui is way more intuitive |
| 16:13.24 | somiaj | this way the dhcp client is a daemon and if it doesn't get an address it can keep trying (unsure on if it can default to alocal address until tha time) |
| 16:13.28 | teraflops | hmpf1: excuse my ignorance what's cmi? |
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| 16:13.53 | hmpf1 | oh, sorry. cli. *cough* |
| 16:14.24 | somiaj | hmpf1: I think i would first look into dhcpcd as your dhcp client, see if it does what you want since it will run in the background. If not you'll need some daemon to manage your network. |
| 16:15.01 | hmpf1 | well, thanks for the hints. that gives me some ideas what to look for. |
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| 16:39.29 | hmpf1 | somiaj: dhcpcd seem to be just what I need. Thanks again. |
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| 17:14.18 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 17:17.43 | Drzacek | Hello |
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| 17:18.32 | Drzacek | Can I run hardware detection on already installed system? I installed debian today on external usb drive, now I want to use it on other machine, seems some things doesn't work |
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| 17:19.33 | jhutchins | somiaj: allow hotplug |
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| 17:19.49 | jhutchins | somiaj: Regular non-nm networking can handle new events. |
| 17:20.06 | dontknow | Drzacek, it seems firmware issue |
| 17:20.15 | n-iCe | Drzacek: like what |
| 17:20.16 | dontknow | non free component |
| 17:21.28 | Drzacek | wifi (there are some issues on this laptop, if I remember I have to install right package and it will work again), display - I had 2 displays on origin machine (where I installed), disable one of the displays, now I only have one display on this laptop, and it only shows "secondary display" (kde) |
| 17:21.44 | Drzacek | HDMI output doesn't work (wanted to connect TV to activate right display) |
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| 17:23.07 | Drzacek | to clarify, I only see empty desktop and empty panel, no KDE menu, clock etc |
| 17:23.15 | petn-randall | Drzacek: There is no hw detection step. The wifi likely doesn't work due to missing firmware. The display problem might be similar if you have a new nvidia or AMD graphics card. Might also be that that specific card isn't fully supported yet. |
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| 17:23.41 | jhutchins | Drzacek: Try creating a new user and see if that user can configure the displays. |
| 17:24.08 | Drzacek | I can go to system settings->display via Alt+F2 shortcut, but there is only one display, nothing to activate |
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| 17:30.42 | Drzacek | Is there in debian some kind of device manager? |
| 17:31.04 | n-iCe | lspci |
| 17:31.05 | n-iCe | lsusb |
| 17:31.10 | n-iCe | maybe? |
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| 17:31.25 | Drzacek | probably |
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| 17:31.41 | Drzacek | I thought maybe gui tools before I use console |
| 17:31.54 | n-iCe | no idea |
| 17:31.59 | n-iCe | sure there are, google can help |
| 17:32.09 | n-iCe | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1702497 |
| 17:32.11 | n-iCe | first link |
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| 17:32.41 | petn-randall | Drzacek: install the hardinfo package |
| 17:32.44 | petn-randall | ,v hardinfo |
| 17:32.45 | judd | Package: hardinfo on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.5.1-1.2; jessie: 0.5.1-1.4; stretch: 0.5.1-1.5+b2; sid: 0.5.1-1.5+b2 |
| 17:32.58 | petn-randall | Drzacek: That tool has a GUI for all hardware devices. |
| 17:33.09 | Drzacek | petn-randall: thanks |
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| 17:51.44 | samriddhap | hey there |
| 17:52.04 | samriddhap | i have a issue in my system from last 2 weeks |
| 17:52.17 | samriddhap | anyone up to solve it? |
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| 17:53.02 | samriddhap | hello rayn |
| 17:53.12 | samriddhap | can you help me out? |
| 17:53.29 | SuperTramp83 | samriddhap: just ask, don't ask to ask :) |
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| 17:54.03 | samriddhap | i have issue in my system where can i send u the screesnhot of that? |
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| 17:54.20 | greycat | Nowhere. Describe the problem in English first. |
| 17:54.39 | samriddhap | here is something you can look at:"E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 17:54.40 | samriddhap | " |
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| 17:55.14 | greycat | Oh, the problem is in the domain of text (commands and their output), so a screen shot would be absolutely bad. If necessary, you can paste the text to http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 17:55.19 | samriddhap | this error occurs everytime i run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 17:55.35 | missmbob | samriddhap: which release ? |
| 17:55.45 | samriddhap | kali rolling |
| 17:55.47 | greycat | Include your entire /etc/apt/sources.list and the entire output of your apt-get upgrade command in the paste. |
| 17:55.50 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 17:55.52 | greycat | GODS, NOT AGAIN |
| 17:55.56 | missmbob | samriddhap: go away |
| 17:55.57 | missmbob | !kali |
| 17:55.58 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 17:56.01 | greycat | We do not support Kali. Go to #kali-linux |
| 17:56.08 | samriddhap | ok thaks |
| 17:56.10 | samriddhap | thanks |
| 17:57.16 | greycat | I need to learn how to spot a Kali user. If this continues, I suppose I will eventually develop a working set of heuristics for it. |
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| 17:58.40 | prussian | samriddhap: you can try and strace to see why it dies so painfully. I had it happen to me like 3 months ago I forgot what it was |
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| 17:58.51 | prussian | deb sid |
| 18:00.06 | greycat | Wow. Did you intentionally go and think of the WORST possible suggestion? |
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| 18:00.48 | prussian | sure |
| 18:00.55 | greycat | "My arm hurts." "Go buy an electron microscope!" |
| 18:00.59 | prussian | strace can be helpful sometimes. |
| 18:01.30 | prussian | apparently I fixed my Debian Sid problem. i don't remember what it was. |
| 18:01.44 | pwvergessen | Hello, I have an old laptop with Debian Jessie, but I forgot both passwords (root and user). Could anyone tell me how to reset those passwords? Thanks! |
| 18:02.06 | greycat | !i forgot root's password |
| 18:02.06 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 18:02.27 | greycat | Once you reset root, you can use "passwd username" as root to reset your others. |
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| 18:04.31 | pwvergessen | Thank you! |
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| 18:17.40 | Kiril | hello |
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| 18:27.57 | Kiril | any ideas how to resolve this issue |
| 18:27.58 | Kiril | https://paste.linux.community/view/ca6e71ec |
| 18:29.13 | `Kevin | Kiril: is reconfigure exiting != 0 ? |
| 18:29.31 | `Kevin | i dont see why postinst should be setting a root mysql pw |
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| 18:30.51 | greycat | I don't even know what the issue *is*. What is dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.5 *supposed* to do? |
| 18:31.06 | `Kevin | Kiril: check the postinst in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 18:31.37 | `Kevin | see if it uses mysqladmin or something to set the password |
| 18:32.08 | `Kevin | greycat: x2 thou I am also just assuming this is a failed install and attempting reconfigure |
| 18:32.17 | `Kevin | Kiril: ^ ? |
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| 18:33.25 | Kiril | https://paste.linux.community/view/e8ecae1d |
| 18:33.47 | `Kevin | mysql-server-5.5.postinst |
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| 18:36.01 | Kiril | yes? |
| 18:36.34 | `Kevin | curious why you are doing reconfigure in the first place, is this just a failled install? |
| 18:36.38 | `Kevin | failed* |
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| 18:38.13 | Kiril | and what's the procedure to installed right? |
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| 18:39.04 | Klaus_D1eter_ | hello world |
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| 18:39.31 | Klaus_D1eter_ | sorry for the newbie question but I cannot find the information on the livecd project. what is the login that needs to be used for the debian live cd found here: https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 18:39.31 | `Kevin | apt-get install or apt-get upgrade, vs apt-get reconfigure |
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| 18:39.52 | greycat | !live user |
| 18:39.58 | greycat | grr. |
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| 18:40.21 | greycat | !live password |
| 18:40.21 | dpkg | The debian-live images for Debian 8 "Jessie" have a user account configured for you to use. username: user ; password: live |
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| 18:40.45 | unborn | Klaus_D1eter_: its should be user and password should be live |
| 18:40.58 | greycat | dpkg, live user is <reply>see live password |
| 18:40.58 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 18:42.35 | Klaus_D1eter_ | greycat: thank you. it seems like this would be worthwile to add on the download page |
| 18:42.43 | Klaus_D1eter_ | :) |
| 18:43.29 | gebruiker | guys what is the deal with unity it seems like nobody is up for it to make the large changes |
| 18:44.12 | missmbob | gebruiker: ask #ubuntu |
| 18:44.15 | greycat | asks dpkg what unity is... oh. I'd have to care about gnome first. |
| 18:44.54 | unborn | gebruiker: unity? isnt that DE? |
| 18:45.10 | gebruiker | unborn, yes |
| 18:45.51 | gebruiker | greycat, you are making me cry |
| 18:46.04 | unborn | gebruiker: with all respect, Canonical's the UKs company os the only one who develops that and take care about it.. same as for compiz.. you should really ask them :) |
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| 18:46.50 | unborn | only I mean literally only them.. all bugs and all features - only ubuntu.. meh sorry gebruiker |
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| 18:47.14 | unborn | re *os = is |
| 18:47.49 | gebruiker | it is like family quarrel |
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| 18:52.07 | unborn | gebruiker: nothing against unity - ive been using that for about 4 years.. it have some issues on its own but bug truck with no replies or 'well for now on its small bug.. live with that' (and those was serious issues) - i left.. you should ask ubuntu devs. better said ubuntu is like derivative of debian unstable with some other issues and cosmetic damage which is often or all the times unfinished. |
| 18:52.22 | unborn | re *had |
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| 18:53.31 | greycat | Debian has its share of unfixed bugs in stable releases. |
| 18:53.45 | n-iCe | but who's perfect |
| 18:53.48 | greycat | (If they didn't, there would never be a release.) |
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| 18:54.23 | vitt60 | inception |
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| 18:55.40 | unborn | greycat: we all know that.. point was - debian does stick with some rules. |
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| 18:56.45 | gebruiker | unborn, yeah so you are concerned with their ethics / integrity ? I would have imagined something more dignified in the way they would deal wwith bugs |
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| 19:03.01 | unborn | gebruiker: ah no.. no. stability and security is my main concern.. |
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| 19:06.47 | gebruiker | man i need to do something with my life |
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| 19:06.58 | gebruiker | just sitting and playing chess al dayy long |
| 19:07.00 | gebruiker | sigh |
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| 19:08.57 | unborn | gebruiker: ethics are always questionable.. I did last night or night before even here.. asking some idiotic questions.. because I had them so I wanted to ask... I meet reply not in my imaginable way but - at least it was answered promptly however integrity should or could be left alone.. you got source code right....? chess is great! I love it. its logical way to found out who will die (in a game) first... its fun :) |
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| 19:19.33 | Quatroking | hey does xscreensaver by any chance use the GPU for rendering |
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| 19:21.03 | harha_ | Hey |
| 19:21.27 | harha_ | Can anyone here tell me why wouldn't apt be able to install libsdl2-dev:amd64 for my debian stable x64 dedicated server? |
| 19:21.32 | harha_ | :386 package installs fine |
| 19:21.57 | harha_ | libsdl2-dev : Depends: libegl1-mesa-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 19:21.59 | harha_ | And so on.. |
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| 19:22.27 | harha_ | Oh libgl1-mesa-dev is missing. Apt cannot find it.. |
| 19:22.44 | somiaj | harha_: what version of debian? What is the output of 'apt-cache policy' |
| 19:23.39 | harha_ | somiaj; http://pastebin.com/1fgndM2A |
| 19:24.01 | missmbob | harha_: that's testing |
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| 19:24.07 | missmbob | !tell harha_ about debian-next |
| 19:24.10 | harha_ | Debian 8.6 |
| 19:24.13 | mr_hubot | Hello! |
| 19:24.19 | missmbob | harha_: no. it's testing |
| 19:24.27 | harha_ | Hmm |
| 19:24.28 | harha_ | Okhay |
| 19:24.39 | mr_hubot | How can I become Debian developer? |
| 19:25.18 | harha_ | missmbob; Wait. It's been a while since I setup this. It's stable and I am only installing testing packages by manually choosing them when executing apt-install -t testing |
| 19:25.37 | missmbob | harha_: doesnt work that way. you're in testing. please go to the testing channel |
| 19:25.55 | greycat | harha_: Then it is an unsupportable botch that we call a frankendebian. |
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| 19:26.02 | harha_ | Well okhay then. |
| 19:26.03 | greycat | This is FAR WORSE than simply running testing. |
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| 19:26.43 | harha_ | The only thing I've taken from testing is gcc, g++, make and cmake. Everything else is from debian stable AFAIK. Anyways I'll move to that other channel then. |
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| 19:27.17 | greycat | "Oh, just the C++ compiler. And everything the C++ compiler depends on. How bad could it be." |
| 19:27.51 | harha_ | Yes, well I'll see how bad can it be. |
| 19:28.14 | greycat | If the goal is to have a stable system, but to be able to build packaes for other people's stretch systems, set up a stretch chroot using debootstrap and do your building in there. |
| 19:28.20 | somiaj | mr_hubot: what are you interested in doing? Usually one starts with becoming a package matainer. |
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| 19:29.06 | mr_hubot | somiaj: I'd like to create and modify packages for Debian. |
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| 19:29.49 | somiaj | mr_hubot: https://mentors.debian.net/ -- you can start there. Usually one finds a package that doesn't have a matainer, and then finds a mentor/sponser to upload it for them. |
| 19:30.06 | somiaj | mr_hubot: if you want to just supply bug fixes and likes to packages that currently have matainers, you can use the BTS for this. |
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| 19:31.10 | mr_hubot | I've to register on mentors.debian.net? |
| 19:31.32 | somiaj | mr_hubot: no. There are just some linkes and instructions. |
| 19:31.47 | greycat | "You mean I have to READ IT?!?" |
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| 19:32.10 | somiaj | mr_hubot: There is also the debian new matainers guide that is a good read on debian packaging. |
| 19:32.15 | somiaj | !dnmg |
| 19:32.18 | harha_ | greycat; Thanks for the suggestion. I'm only trying to make this automatic build system called Jenkins to work on my little dedicated server and the newest gcc and make is pretty much all I need for actually building my projects on this machine. |
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| 19:32.43 | Denommus | is there a place where I can get help on creating dpkgs? |
| 19:32.53 | somiaj | !nmg |
| 19:32.53 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 19:33.00 | somiaj | Denommus: ^^ |
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| 19:34.06 | Denommus | sorry, I have some basic understanding, but I have some doubts |
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| 19:36.02 | bakspace | Do you need to have python installed for Debian to work? |
| 19:36.16 | somiaj | bakspace: yes |
| 19:36.57 | greycat | A minimal python, yes. |
| 19:37.09 | greycat | Also a minimal perl. |
| 19:37.33 | unborn | mr_hubot: well you meet mr robot :) - perhaps you can respan great debian into your own dirsto? there was one awesome called chrungbang - but it died.. making your own distro gives you some freedom ;) |
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| 19:39.00 | mr_hubot | unborn: I changed OS to Linux from Windows some years ago. |
| 19:39.34 | mr_hubot | I feel too much better with Debian. I also very like Gentoo project. |
| 19:39.41 | somiaj | unborn: that is really off topic, and doens't adress the actual issue of mixing stable and testing. |
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| 19:40.33 | somiaj | mr_hubot: if you really need to install packages from testing inside of stable, you should look into backports (sometimes you have to create your own). But mixing can lead to all sort of issues. Form apt having trouble isntalling packages to actually breaking your system. |
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| 19:41.18 | unborn | mr_hubot: - then switch and be free :) same as I did.. since I did - I did not look backwards... |
| 19:41.19 | imMute | So I have an interesting problem. Debian Jessie system hooked up to a KVM (monitor + keyboard), no X installed (bare console only). If I run nano and hit Scroll Lock, from an SSH session "sudo reboot" will fail to reboot the system until I go back to the KVM and turn off Scroll Lock. Has anyone seen this before and/or know of a way to disable that Scroll Lock functionality on the console? |
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| 19:41.31 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Some time ago here was a bot which could identify hardware by its some PCI Ids... Anyone know if it is still here and how to use it? |
| 19:41.39 | unborn | somiaj: really? |
| 19:42.04 | missmbob | hid3: /msg judd pciid foo |
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| 19:42.23 | imMute | hid3: the PCI IDs repository is also online at https://pci-ids.ucw.cz/read/PC/ |
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| 19:42.46 | hid3 | excellent, thanks a lot |
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| 19:47.16 | jhutchins | Man, I love google fiber. Less than a minute to download the iso |
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| 19:47.44 | mate_CRAZY | hello friendo's |
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| 19:48.18 | unborn | jhutchins: well.. less then 6 seconds to download the iso :) - welcome to internet :D |
| 19:48.19 | jhutchins | With the live iso, I get "Permission denies (public key)." when I try to connect via ssh. This happens even with a new user. |
| 19:48.34 | mate_CRAZY | what about apt-get -d ? Seems to be obsolete now, isn`t it ? |
| 19:48.35 | jhutchins | (Trying to connect to a system booted from the live iso.) |
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| 19:49.29 | jhutchins | mate_CRAZY: How would we know what's obsolete on kali? |
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| 19:49.53 | BeautifulBash | Is JHBuild the way to go if I want the latest Gnome? |
| 19:49.56 | mate_CRAZY | jhutchins, how Do You know/scan? |
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| 19:50.11 | BeautifulBash | I mean Id settle for Gnome 3.16 but Im not sure if Jessie has that |
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| 19:50.16 | jhutchins | mate_CRAZY: I've been at this a while. |
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| 19:50.32 | mate_CRAZY | jhutchins, at what ? Kali ? |
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| 19:50.43 | jhutchins | Computers. Linux. |
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| 19:51.10 | mate_CRAZY | jhutchins, me too, still, how Did You guess kali ? |
| 19:51.11 | jhutchins | mate_CRAZY: Anyway, that's the kind of thing that varies when you're running a derivative distro. Build options, switches, etc. |
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| 19:52.38 | jhutchins | mate_CRAZY: Debian is currently developing apt - just that as a tool to incorporate all of apt-get and aptitude's feaatures. (Not sure if they're doing menued mode.) |
| 19:52.53 | jhutchins | mate_CRAZY: aptitude is my preferred tool. |
| 19:52.59 | mate_CRAZY | so, is there anybody around here , who can issue apt-get -d successfully ? |
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| 19:53.19 | mate_CRAZY | jhutchins, aptitude was my fav |
| 19:54.24 | `Kevin | mate_CRAZY: what do you need todo |
| 19:54.25 | `Kevin | apt-get download -d fluxbox |
| 19:54.28 | `Kevin | or etc ? |
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| 19:56.54 | mate_CRAZY | `Kevin, i want to apt-get download only. |
| 19:56.56 | mate_CRAZY | thats all |
| 19:57.17 | `Kevin | right so apt-get download -d |
| 19:57.22 | `Kevin | as the manpage states >> Unless the -h, or --help option is given, one of the commands below must be present. |
| 19:57.42 | mate_CRAZY | `Kevin, wanna see my prompt afterwards ? |
| 19:57.55 | greycat | WHAT do you want to download? |
| 19:57.59 | `Kevin | not if you are using kali :) |
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| 19:58.21 | mate_CRAZY | greycat, EVERYTHING, just not install xet |
| 19:58.25 | mate_CRAZY | yet |
| 19:58.31 | greycat | -d is --download-only which is usually used with "install" or "upgrade" or "dist-upgrade" to store the .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives/ for later |
| 19:59.00 | greycat | so, AS ROOT, apt-get -d upgrade |
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| 20:01.31 | Denommus | I don't understand what the cannonical way to set the permission of a file installed by dpkg |
| 20:01.41 | Denommus | *what is |
| 20:02.46 | greycat | Are you creating a package, or installing one that someone else made that you think is wrong? |
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| 20:03.44 | Denommus | greycat: I'm creating one |
| 20:03.55 | Denommus | it's a PHP application |
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| 20:04.35 | unborn | Denommus: well you creating one - make sure that no cannonicals are around :) |
| 20:05.26 | Denommus | unborn: I beg you pardon? |
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| 20:05.41 | unborn | -php - there are some guidelines to follow.. everythings on web.. im sorry I will not guide you anymore as I am about to - enjoy of my free time |
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| 20:06.09 | greycat | Just ignore unborn. He's a noise generator. |
| 20:06.29 | unborn | greycat: - well said. |
| 20:06.33 | Denommus | in any case, I do know about the webapp policy manual |
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| 20:07.04 | Denommus | dpkg docs are just so HUGE though |
| 20:07.05 | dpkg | ...but docs is already something else... |
| 20:07.33 | polyzen | twss |
| 20:07.56 | Denommus | ok, so dpkg also happens to be a bot here |
| 20:08.00 | Denommus | dpkg docs |
| 20:08.00 | dpkg | Before asking, please read the documentation. Documentation isn't always easy to read, but that doesn't excuse you from (a) trying and (b) sending patches to improve the docs. If you don't do this, expect to be told to RTFM by impatient volunteers. Dick Brandon said that "Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very, good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Ask me about <finding docs>, <manuals>. |
| 20:08.20 | BeautifulBash | Would I be happy on Debian Unstable? |
| 20:08.30 | BeautifulBash | Im worried about switching and things breaking too often |
| 20:08.40 | greycat | If you are happy when things break, then you will be happy on unstable. |
| 20:08.42 | BeautifulBash | I dont mind things breaking occasionally as I usually break something somewhere along the line |
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| 20:08.55 | BeautifulBash | greycat, How frequent is it though? Thats what I worry about |
| 20:09.00 | mate_CRAZY | greycat, Do You mean -d will not work like this "apt-get -d" ? |
| 20:09.04 | unborn | greycat: - i will never forget this noise.. its good - you know.. I learn lesson. its always greater to leave issues to others :) |
| 20:09.26 | greycat | mate_CRAZY: I have no idea what is wrong with you, but I hope you figure it out and fix yourself. |
| 20:09.31 | `Kevin | mate_CRAZY: as per what I pasted on the man page no |
| 20:09.43 | `Kevin | again -> as the manpage states >> Unless the -h, or --help option is given, one of the commands below must be present. |
| 20:09.43 | BeautifulBash | Or would I be happier in testing? |
| 20:09.58 | teraflops | try it and see |
| 20:10.21 | mate_CRAZY | greycat, what is wrong? I read the man page, did what it told me and it did not work ( by the way, a german translated manpage) |
| 20:10.35 | greycat | 15:59 greycat> so, AS ROOT, apt-get -d upgrade |
| 20:10.43 | greycat | mate_CRAZY: ^^^ |
| 20:10.53 | teraflops | because trusting random irc user's advices is a great idea... |
| 20:11.07 | mate_CRAZY | that is a hint, upgrade afterwards... thx |
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| 20:12.18 | mate_CRAZY | need to note that in my "WhatILearned-Notes" |
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| 20:12.25 | greycat | Feel free to verify my suggestions by reading the manuals. This is good policy regardless of who gives the advice. |
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| 20:13.10 | teraflops | greycat: i didn't say that because of you. it was for BeautifulBash |
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| 20:13.37 | mate_CRAZY | greycat, somehow this version of mine, in german, did not mention the neccessity of -d and the definitive issue |
| 20:14.06 | greycat | It doesn't say "-d, --download-only"? |
| 20:14.12 | greycat | It doesn't explain what this OPTION does? |
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| 20:14.35 | mate_CRAZY | it does, but it does not clarify, that I should also issue upgrade |
| 20:14.52 | plorph | how can I get Golang compiler 1.4+, seems like the main is 1.3 |
| 20:14.56 | greycat | PEBCAK |
| 20:15.09 | mate_CRAZY | greycat, whats that? |
| 20:15.13 | `Kevin | smh |
| 20:15.24 | mate_CRAZY | okm wait |
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| 20:15.51 | teraflops | problem is betwwen chair and keyboard |
| 20:15.56 | greycat | (exists) |
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| 20:16.05 | teraflops | yeah |
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| 20:16.53 | mate_CRAZY | teraflops, greycat anyone developer of You ? |
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| 20:17.07 | greycat | My developers are both still alive, fortunately. |
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| 20:17.15 | teraflops | huh? |
| 20:17.18 | zmitya | hi Guys.. what is the best way installing thunderbird on a Jessie ? |
| 20:17.29 | greycat | I think I know what he's trying to ask, but I ran with the joke.... |
| 20:17.37 | jmcnaught | zmitya: apt-get install icedove |
| 20:17.38 | abrotman | dpkg: tell zmitya about icedove |
| 20:17.47 | mate_CRAZY | teraflops, and greycat : Are You software developers ? |
| 20:17.59 | greycat | Certainly. Just not a Debian developer. |
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| 20:18.35 | zmitya | jmcnaught, abrotman: is that fully compatible with all the extensions ? |
| 20:18.52 | abrotman | zmitya: Unsure, I've only used Lightning, which is also packaged |
| 20:19.00 | mate_CRAZY | greycat, dumb nerd with nothing to pose, just if someone else missed the praghraphs in the man pages |
| 20:19.02 | mate_CRAZY | thx |
| 20:19.10 | abrotman | mate_CRAZY: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 20:19.30 | jmcnaught | zmitya: as far as i know it is. iceweasel always was with firefox extensions. there are a few other extensions like enigmail packaged for Debian. |
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| 20:19.49 | teraflops | mate_CRAZY: oh :( |
| 20:19.51 | mate_CRAZY | abrotman, nice speech. thx, i think, those selfish nerd helped me already |
| 20:20.05 | abrotman | mate_CRAZY: If you're done insulting people, feel free to part the channel |
| 20:20.10 | mate_CRAZY | teraflops, jup |
| 20:20.14 | zmitya | abrotman, jmcnaught: gpg and lightning are the most important, so thanks |
| 20:20.20 | zmitya | I'll give a try |
| 20:20.24 | teraflops | mate_CRAZY: i dont hate you |
| 20:20.33 | teraflops | love bro |
| 20:20.41 | abrotman | thought they were going to start including Lightning directly |
| 20:20.54 | mate_CRAZY | abrotman, insultng has many faces, and i am just reacting |
| 20:21.03 | abrotman | mate_CRAZY: Please stop, thank you |
| 20:21.09 | jmcnaught | zmitya: lightning is renamed iceowl in jessie |
| 20:21.20 | mate_CRAZY | np |
| 20:21.32 | teraflops | pebcak is a known term. no offense intended |
| 20:21.37 | mate_CRAZY | if you are proud of a misleading manpage, go for it |
| 20:21.47 | mate_CRAZY | but dont blame me |
| 20:21.55 | abrotman | mate_CRAZY: Please stop, last warning |
| 20:22.19 | greycat | There is nothing misleading about the man page. |
| 20:22.22 | mate_CRAZY | why ? I did not insult anyone right now |
| 20:22.26 | abrotman | yes, you did |
| 20:22.34 | mate_CRAZY | by what ? |
| 20:22.35 | `Kevin | mate_CRAZY: the man page I read was valid, I also pasted you the exact lines that noted -d needed other options |
| 20:22.37 | greycat | "Unless the -h, or --help option is given, one of the commands below must be present." |
| 20:22.44 | `Kevin | ^ |
| 20:22.49 | abrotman | mate_CRAZY: do you think "dumb nerd" is not an insult. Again, please stop |
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| 20:22.59 | zmitya | jmcnaught: thx |
| 20:23.04 | mate_CRAZY | that was minutes ago |
| 20:23.09 | abrotman | .. |
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| 20:24.16 | unborn | abrotman: just follow the logs :) |
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| 20:26.19 | crhylove | Where does Wheezy store mysql by default? |
| 20:26.21 | axc1298 | if i wanted to use kde 5, would my system be more secure using debian testing, or kubuntu? only debian stable has a security team from what i understand |
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| 20:26.59 | `Kevin | crhylove: the db/data, binaries, or config |
| 20:27.49 | crhylove | `Kevin, The db/data |
| 20:27.52 | r3 | crhylove: MySQL stores DB files in /var/lib/mysql by default, but you can override this in the configuration file, typically called /etc/my.cnf, although Debian calls it /etc/mysql/my.cnf. |
| 20:27.54 | crhylove | found the conf already. |
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| 20:28.17 | `Kevin | ^ |
| 20:28.29 | crhylove | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:29.02 | r3 | (just fyi, that was the 1st hit from asking google your question. The more you know...) |
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| 20:30.03 | r3 | at least I didn't point you to lmgtfy.com :) |
| 20:30.13 | jmcnaught | crhylove: if you are planning to back this directory up it's much better to use mysqldump. Trying to make a copy of the mysql data directory will lead to an inconsistent copy. |
| 20:30.26 | r3 | nods |
| 20:30.28 | abrotman | mostly leads to crying |
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| 20:30.50 | r3 | I worked very closely with developers working on a way to back up live SQL data to tape |
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| 20:31.48 | crhylove | jmcnaught, I have a sql dump... Trying the restore command now. Once I find it. LOL |
| 20:31.50 | r3 | still much crying, but eventually it got to work |
| 20:32.08 | teraflops | dat? directly? why? |
| 20:32.40 | crhylove | Ugh. I kill all tape. It's 2016 for Christ's sake. |
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| 20:32.43 | `Kevin | mysqldump works well for smaller DBs if you need something non locking use innobackupex/xtrabackup (switch to innodb from myisam where possible) |
| 20:32.56 | `Kevin | *mostly non locking |
| 20:33.01 | crhylove | `Kevin, Using mysqldump. :) |
| 20:33.17 | jmcnaught | crhylove: you restore with the mysql client |
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| 20:33.48 | crhylove | jmcnaught, Correct. |
| 20:34.02 | crhylove | Trying to figure out what the default mediawiki DB is right now. |
| 20:34.13 | crhylove | my_wiki looks promising. :) |
| 20:34.20 | r3 | I didn't say this was recently |
| 20:34.22 | teraflops | dat is great for taking backups. nvm im getting offropic |
| 20:34.36 | sbeex | hi there :) can we use all debian packages on linux mint without problems ? |
| 20:34.56 | abrotman | sbeex: NFC, ask the Mint people |
| 20:34.59 | yareckon | oh noes |
| 20:35.00 | abrotman | dpkg: tell sbeex about mint |
| 20:35.13 | teraflops | yeah asked there? |
| 20:35.15 | abrotman | sbeex: We honestly wouldn't know, most of us here don't use Mint |
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| 20:35.47 | sbeex | yes I asked but there are almost 10 users only and no answer ^^ |
| 20:36.10 | crhylove | I've migrated everything to Devuan. I only have a few legacy Wheezy servers that are still running nicely. |
| 20:36.17 | abrotman | sbeex: asked where? They're on a different network |
| 20:36.22 | crhylove | sbeex, mint uses a different server. They don't use freenode. |
| 20:36.29 | crhylove | I know, that's dumb. But it is what it is. |
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| 20:36.35 | sbeex | #linuxmint-help |
| 20:36.40 | abrotman | sbeex: on the spotchat server? |
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| 20:36.51 | abrotman | sbeex: if not, ask ##linux on freenode maybe .. but you won't get help here |
| 20:36.59 | sbeex | yep thank you ;) |
| 20:37.06 | sbeex | sorry for annoying |
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| 20:37.17 | sbeex | and debian <3 ;) forever for my servers |
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| 20:37.23 | crhylove | sbeex, No worries. Polite questions are not annoying. |
| 20:37.39 | abrotman | sbeex: not annoying, but really, you'll be hardpressed to get a good answer here |
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| 20:38.44 | yareckon | sbeex, the real answer it it depends, so anyone is going to have to ask you a lot of questions |
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| 20:39.10 | jmcnaught | crhylove: why migrate to Devuan, are you not aware that sysvinit is still available in Debian Jessie? |
| 20:40.19 | crhylove | jmcnaught, I want to ensure that I never accidentally infect a system with sysd. |
| 20:40.52 | crhylove | Hmmm... finished mysql dump restore, but now only getting some data.... :/ |
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| 20:42.25 | `Kevin | crhylove: pastebin the steps you did |
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| 20:43.34 | crhylove | `Kevin, all the data is there, just not the main page. :/ |
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| 20:44.06 | crhylove | Which might be OK, as for this project I need to recreate the main page anyway. Now to figure out how to find all the pages without the main page. |
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| 20:47.35 | yareckon | night everyone |
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| 20:48.02 | yareckon | ranix, the weird partition stuff was my crappy usb->sata adapter |
| 20:48.18 | yareckon | disk worked fine in an external enclosure |
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| 20:52.20 | r3 | makes a little love |
| 20:52.29 | crhylove | lol |
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| 21:00.02 | ranix | yaymuffins: wow weird |
| 21:00.07 | ranix | thx for sharing |
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| 21:01.37 | mr_hubot | I clicked confirmation link. |
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| 21:04.39 | gebruiker | anyone running zfs here? curious to know how well it runs compared to ext4 |
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| 21:04.58 | `Kevin | gebruiker: i use it for DB backup things |
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| 21:05.57 | gebruiker | `Kevin, why did you chose it over other fs? |
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| 21:06.50 | `Kevin | gebruiker: I the way snapshots work compared to say LVM, it is much more efficient and I can keep hundreds without performance degradation |
| 21:06.59 | `Kevin | thats the main reason |
| 21:07.33 | `Kevin | gebruiker: aside from that we have started to use it for copying data between servers using zfs send / zfs recv for standing up copies of data on dev environments etc |
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| 21:08.23 | `Kevin | gebruiker: lz4 compression is fast/efficient .... it all depends really on what you want in comparison to ext4 |
| 21:10.01 | gebruiker | `Kevin was interested in using as my desktop fs but then just remembered how it had memory problems because of the way the linux kernel works |
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| 21:10.20 | gebruiker | i am also curous about kfreebsd |
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| 21:11.10 | `Kevin | gebruiker: ive used it for over a year at this point with no major issues, regarding memory the only thing im aware of is ARC memory requirements but as long as you have a fair amount of spare ram you should be ok |
| 21:11.29 | `Kevin | pending your data set size + rate of change... on a workstation that shouldnt be too crazy |
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| 21:14.09 | `Kevin | (he left but..) ^ do not switch filesystems unless you have a purpose/reason :) |
| 21:15.02 | Atm0spher1c | I'm running stable and I like to backport a few packages that I need from sid. If I do a reinstall, is there any way to have dpkg --get-selections output only the backported packages? |
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| 21:23.40 | Atm0spher1c | The packages I backported manually I named differently. But I used apt-build a few times since it was easier and sacrificed control |
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| 21:48.06 | JyZyXEL | why doesn't letsencrypt.sh restart apache after a renewal of the certificate? |
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| 21:48.27 | JyZyXEL | without the restart, apache is left using the old expired certificate |
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| 21:50.31 | mr_hubot | How is password for challenge email of new member process? |
| 21:50.57 | teraflops | is letsencrypt.sh a debian thing? |
| 21:51.06 | JyZyXEL | yes |
| 21:51.25 | missmbob | it has nothing to do with debian other than the fact that it's in debian |
| 21:51.34 | imMute | JyZyXEL: what package does it come from? also, what about people running nginx or lighttpd instead of apache httpd? |
| 21:51.42 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: ah I just git the shit directly |
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| 21:54.24 | Lady_Aleena | The local version of my site will not load into my browser because Apache isn't reading my local perl libs, and there are not documents anywhere telling me how to get Apache to read my local perl libs. |
| 21:55.00 | Lady_Aleena | s/not documents/no documents/; |
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| 22:23.40 | prussian | local as in... your home directory? |
| 22:23.49 | prussian | if yes... well duh |
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| 22:27.07 | prussian | Lady_Aleena: ? |
| 22:28.39 | Lady_Aleena | prussian, I set up ~/perl5 to install perl modules into so I didn't install modules into root's lib. I need those modules for my perl scripts for my site. Apache is not looking in ~/perl5. |
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| 22:29.48 | prussian | well ya |
| 22:30.06 | prussian | you shouldn't use ~ in your environment cars anyhow |
| 22:30.09 | prussian | vars |
| 22:30.17 | prussian | stupid autocorrect |
| 22:30.22 | Lady_Aleena | So how do I get Apache to see $HOME/perl5? |
| 22:30.28 | prussian | ~ is bashism |
| 22:30.57 | prussian | so the apache home has a local perllib directory? |
| 22:31.03 | Lady_Aleena | prussian, somewhere else, another guy told me not to use $HOME. |
| 22:31.21 | Lady_Aleena | prussian, Apache uses the root's libs. |
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| 22:31.31 | prussian | ya |
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| 22:31.40 | prussian | or apaches home folder I suppose |
| 22:31.46 | prussian | well ok |
| 22:32.08 | Lady_Aleena | So give up using the local lib and just sudo cpan the needed modules into root's lib? |
| 22:32.17 | prussian | from what I can. guess 1. your local perl env are not set for apache |
| 22:32.30 | prussian | or 2 your local perl libs are only for your current user |
| 22:32.52 | prussian | install libs as apache and problem solved for 2 |
| 22:32.57 | prussian | or ya |
| 22:33.15 | prussian | you can just install them into the usual /usr/lib whatever path |
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| 22:34.15 | Lady_Aleena | Well, I am going to work on getting KMail working now. I will come back to this later. I really need email working. |
| 22:34.16 | Elronnd | is there a way to enable ipv6? |
| 22:34.25 | Elronnd | when I try to, for example, ping6 2a00:1450:4001:818::200e |
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| 22:34.38 | Elronnd | I get ping: sendmsg: Network is unreachable |
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| 22:36.54 | prussian | do you have ipv6? |
| 22:37.11 | prussian | like |
| 22:37.21 | prussian | are you sure you get ipv6? |
| 22:37.53 | Elronnd | from my isp? |
| 22:37.54 | Elronnd | not sure |
| 22:37.58 | prussian | honestly that stuff is mostly a libc thing. once ifup/metworkmanager configs your ip addrs.... |
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| 22:38.11 | Elronnd | but is there some configuration I can do to make sure it is/is not my computers fault? |
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| 22:38.29 | prussian | idk. do you use network manager? |
| 22:38.37 | prussian | or just ifup? |
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| 22:39.11 | prussian | like honestly... its usually automatic |
| 22:39.16 | Elronnd | is that something in gsettings? |
| 22:39.23 | prussian | it might be |
| 22:39.41 | prussian | I don't know how much gnome exposes. you can check there for IP config settings |
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| 22:40.07 | Elronnd | "network settings" claims that I have an ipv6 address |
| 22:40.11 | prussian | if you think your ISP now offers IPv6 you can try resetting your router and getting a new lease. |
| 22:40.22 | prussian | hmm |
| 22:40.34 | prussian | what does ifconfig -a show? |
| 22:40.36 | Elronnd | I don't have access to the router |
| 22:40.53 | prussian | I mean modem bit same problem ig |
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| 22:41.08 | Elronnd | http://lpaste.net/233089 |
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| 22:42.20 | prussian | hm |
| 22:42.41 | prussian | pretty sure fe80:: is basically ipv6 loopback |
| 22:42.55 | prussian | as far as I can see you do not have an IPv6 addr |
| 22:43.49 | prussian | idk |
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| 22:43.50 | Dagger | more like 169.254/16, but yeah, no useful v6 address there |
| 22:43.53 | prussian | I forget |
| 22:44.11 | prussian | sounds like a routing issue then |
| 22:44.15 | prussian | talk to owner of router/isp |
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| 22:52.34 | _0xbadc0de | coolsite.com |
| 22:52.48 | _0xbadc0de | http://www.coolsite.com |
| 22:52.50 | _0xbadc0de | https://www.coolsite.com |
| 22:53.35 | teraflops | !kick _0xbadc0de |
| 22:53.35 | dpkg | kicks _0xbadc0de in the crotch. |
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| 22:55.35 | abrotman | teraflops: ITYM !ops |
| 22:56.04 | teraflops | yeah sorry too noisy !ops imo |
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| 23:02.26 | yourname | exit |
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| 23:30.33 | N3X15 | does `aptitude why` give me the reason for packages being held back, or is there another command? |
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| 23:40.52 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: Take a look at https://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/user/handlers/server.html#Startup_File or the alternative https://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/user/config/config.html#C_PerlSwitches_ |
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| 23:46.07 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, right now I am on the verge of tears again since I can't get my settings for KMail working. |
| 23:46.32 | Lady_Aleena | Also, the version of KMail which comes with Debian 8 has a BIG BUG! |
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| 23:47.08 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: I take it you weren't able to switch over to icedove/thunderbird like you wanted. |
| 23:47.14 | Lady_Aleena | Everything I do seems to be making it worse. |
| 23:47.28 | Lady_Aleena | pingfloyd, I don't understand the voodoo. |
| 23:48.08 | pingfloyd | wasn't the problem with trying to migrate your existing mail over? |
| 23:48.21 | Lady_Aleena | pingfloyd, and that is the voodoo I did not understand. |
| 23:48.41 | pingfloyd | mail is always a bit frustrating |
| 23:48.54 | pingfloyd | so many moving parts involved |
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| 23:49.51 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: have you tried this method? https://ma.juii.net/blog/kmail-to-thunderbird |
| 23:50.23 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: sorry to hear you're having trouble :/ Are your old emails on a server, or only on a local disk? |
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| 23:50.53 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, local disk. |
| 23:51.18 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: iirc, you were using pop3 to get your email? |
| 23:51.24 | Lady_Aleena | General question: Why do Lunix program developers scatter program files all over the place? |
| 23:51.27 | Lady_Aleena | pingfloyd, yes. |
| 23:51.30 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: do you know what format it is in? The two common ones are mbox and maildir |
| 23:51.48 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, if I were to paste a file list, would that tell you anything? |
| 23:52.22 | ranix | what do you mean "program files" |
| 23:52.26 | pingfloyd | Lady_Aleena: this article the author is trying to convert and he uses pop3 http://www.ulduzsoft.com/2012/01/from-kmail-to-thunderbird/ |
| 23:53.16 | Lady_Aleena | And I just found YouTube broken. |
| 23:55.27 | abrotman | YouTube is broken? or your browser is broken? |
| 23:55.59 | ranix | <3 abrotman |
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| 23:57.38 | Lady_Aleena | abrotman, maybe not. I don't know. My system is driving me crazy. |
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| 23:58.29 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: there's a thunderbird/icedove extension for importing various mailbox formats: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/importexporttools/ |
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| 23:58.48 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: if IMAP is an option, i recommend using that instead of pop3 from now on |
| 23:59.07 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, I have no clue. |
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