| 00:00.34 | techitch | Debian 3.2.81-1 x86_64 |
| 00:00.39 | x86iac | i'd make a COMPLETE simple backup cp/dd and have it on the same system |
| 00:00.57 | x86iac | in /backup |
| 00:01.25 | x86iac | and have a rescue disk handy - |
| 00:01.30 | x86iac | what is your current glibc |
| 00:01.41 | techitch | is it safer to just move incrementally higher like from 2.13 to 2.14 rather than tot he latest 2.24 |
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| 00:02.17 | x86iac | 2.13 to 2.14 doesn't sound to bad |
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| 00:02.25 | techitch | ldd (Debian EGLIBC 2.13-38+deb7u11) 2.13 |
| 00:02.41 | techitch | what if i went to 2.17? that would probably satisfy my needs i think |
| 00:03.08 | techitch | its just the latest wheezy stable is 2.13 |
| 00:03.10 | x86iac | if all you need is >=2.14 then just do it but have full backup |
| 00:03.40 | x86iac | it is a 'complete' distro with all compiled as a system |
| 00:04.08 | x86iac | do a test compile first to --prefix=/test |
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| 00:05.52 | techitch | hmm wouldnt it just be easier to install the jessie package |
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| 00:06.44 | x86iac | i'm sure many here would say that is a no no |
| 00:06.52 | techitch | 2.19-18+deb8u4: |
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| 00:08.37 | techitch | its probabaly almost easier to find a way to upgrade to jessie right |
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| 00:09.02 | x86iac | what needs the glibc 2.14 - you must be compiling something ? |
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| 00:10.10 | techitch | i'm trying to get filebot working |
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| 00:12.28 | room | okay, is it safe to tar xf data.tar.gz (from linux-image deb), then run update-initramfs -c -k <whatever>, then update-grub |
| 00:13.21 | room | i'm tempted to go for the reboot, but afraid as it's on a server and is not a VM so i have no visual access to it if it fails to boot |
| 00:13.36 | room | could i be missing any steps |
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| 00:16.05 | endersending | during the debian install, it is asking me for firmware for my fibre channel cards, if i put the .deb package on a second cd, will it install the package? |
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| 00:16.52 | x86iac | endersending: you could do it after the install too |
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| 00:17.05 | somiaj | endersending: I think you need to make the actual firemare file avaiable (not the package) but unsure here. You can always install the firwmare package after the isntall. |
| 00:17.15 | somiaj | the install guide says what you need to do |
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| 00:18.27 | x86iac | get a booting system asap then all else is gravy ;) like changing a tire on a busy higway - you can wash your hands after ;) |
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| 00:19.43 | endersending | i need the fir,ware to access the disks |
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| 00:21.40 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch02s02.html.en |
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| 00:25.06 | RoyK | endersending: what sort of fc-cards are these? |
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| 00:25.20 | RoyK | endersending: and - is the root on fc? |
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| 00:29.18 | jcadduono | ok well it booted great, the only issue was znc was linked to an uninstall lib and wouldnt start hehehe :D made it look terrible from this end |
| 00:29.31 | x86iac | fibre cards to hard disks? |
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| 00:31.39 | x86iac | you booting off them ? |
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| 00:55.05 | endersending | i try to mount a cdrom |
| 00:55.14 | endersending | mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr1 /mnt/cdrom |
| 00:55.17 | endersending | invalid argument |
| 00:55.22 | endersending | wtf am i doing wrong? |
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| 00:59.10 | tomreyn | endersending: does /dev/sr1 actually exist and is of type block special? |
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| 00:59.12 | x86iac | does /mnt/cdrom exist? |
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| 01:00.06 | x86iac | does the iso9660 kernel module show in lsmod? |
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| 01:00.36 | tomreyn | and is /mnt/cdrom a directory? |
| 01:00.48 | endersending | isofs |
| 01:01.42 | tomreyn | did you just mean to respond to one or more of the - so far - four questions asked? |
| 01:02.12 | endersending | iso9660 does not show up in lsmod |
| 01:02.24 | endersending | /dev/sr1 exists |
| 01:02.43 | endersending | its a block device |
| 01:03.14 | endersending | /mnt/cdrom only existed after i created it |
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| 01:03.47 | x86iac | try it as root? what does ls -l /dev/sr1 show |
| 01:04.29 | x86iac | did /mnt/cdrom exist before you tried the mount? and try the mount as root |
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| 01:04.59 | endersending | brw------- 1 root root 11, 1 Sep 11 07:27 /dev/sr1 |
| 01:05.32 | endersending | no it did not exist before i tried mounting |
| 01:05.37 | endersending | i am root |
| 01:06.06 | themill | endersending: which release of debian is this? |
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| 01:09.47 | endersending | bad cd i think... |
| 01:12.07 | endersending | debian 4.5.2 |
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| 01:23.46 | somiaj | endersending: debian 4? That is very old. |
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| 01:24.30 | glorias | hi |
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| 01:25.23 | themill | Yeah, there was no such version ever released, so who knows |
| 01:26.24 | endersending | windows isnt buring cds right |
| 01:28.24 | glorias | I like windows |
| 01:28.28 | glorias | but its slow |
| 01:28.50 | glorias | and killed als users fanatsie |
| 01:29.06 | glorias | besides |
| 01:29.19 | glorias | I got som shit sony< vaio laptop here |
| 01:29.26 | glorias | with 8.1 |
| 01:29.45 | glorias | 100 ways not come into bios |
| 01:30.06 | glorias | so I decided go to some profi pc shop |
| 01:30.11 | glorias | whath him lol* |
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| 01:36.07 | blockcubed | so my audio works |
| 01:36.10 | blockcubed | but it is very quite |
| 01:36.15 | blockcubed | quiet |
| 01:36.25 | blockcubed | and i cant turn it up |
| 01:36.29 | blockcubed | :[ |
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| 01:37.34 | bazhang | what about adjusting PCM in alsamixer blockcubed |
| 01:37.53 | blockcubed | let me google that lol |
| 01:39.06 | bazhang | open a term |
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| 01:39.18 | bazhang | type alsamixer |
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| 01:39.43 | pingu | How can I recover from a freeze without closing windows? |
| 01:39.57 | bazhang | freeze of what |
| 01:40.05 | pingu | My Debian system. |
| 01:40.06 | Andrepila | can you guys recommend auto updating production servers? |
| 01:40.07 | endersending | turn on the heat |
| 01:40.46 | bazhang | if its a freeze how could you close any windows at al |
| 01:40.47 | blockcubed | thank you bazhang |
| 01:41.01 | pingu | REISUB will shut everything down. |
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| 01:41.54 | bazhang | did tht fix it blockcubed |
| 01:42.12 | blockcubed | yup sure did |
| 01:42.18 | bazhang | great |
| 01:42.35 | blockcubed | I think my mixer is on the wrong channel for the audio mixer |
| 01:42.49 | bazhang | pingu, so its a complete and total freeze, no response at all |
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| 01:43.43 | pingu | bazhang: I can't seem to TTY into a terminal, and Magic SysRQ F & N don't seem to work (but I can't tell). |
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| 01:45.23 | pingu | bazhang: I had a python script "while 1: a+=1; print a" while I was generating a GPG keypair (It said to keep the system busy for the prime generator or something to do with the random generator, I cannot remember.) |
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| 01:46.50 | bazhang | why not use seahorse for that pingu |
| 01:46.59 | bazhang | that script sounds bad |
| 01:47.18 | bazhang | ,v seahorse |
| 01:47.19 | judd | Package: seahorse on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.1-2; jessie: 3.14.0-2; stretch: 3.20.0-1; sid: 3.20.0-1 |
| 01:48.28 | blockcubed | broke it for a second |
| 01:48.32 | blockcubed | but I ended up fixing it |
| 01:48.56 | pingu | bazhang: I ran "gpg --gen-key" |
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| 01:57.36 | surfist | two finger scrolling has vanished.. edge scrolling seems to be gone |
| 01:57.50 | surfist | libinput is not cooperating |
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| 02:02.28 | pingu | Fine, I'll REISUB and loose everything. :-( |
| 02:02.56 | pingu | But there should be a way! D-:< |
| 02:03.12 | pingu | D-X< |
| 02:03.17 | ziper1 | hi guys in my apt-get sources list what is the purpose of having separate lines for jessie jessie/update and jessie-update |
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| 02:04.37 | pingu | ziper1: jessie/updates is security. |
| 02:05.37 | Hello71 | pingu: keep system busy means generate some interrupts |
| 02:05.41 | Hello71 | pegging cpu does not really help |
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| 02:06.10 | pingu | Hello71: How do I generate interrups? |
| 02:06.16 | Hello71 | move mouse |
| 02:06.22 | Hello71 | do some disk io |
| 02:06.44 | pingu | Would xdotool do the trick? |
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| 02:07.13 | Hello71 | facepalms |
| 02:07.16 | pingu | I could loop it to move the mouse back and forth while I KVM into the system I'm using now. |
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| 02:07.44 | Hello71 | try googling "gpg generate entropy". |
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| 02:08.05 | ziper1 | what about deb and deb-src ? |
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| 02:08.37 | Hello71 | http://google.com/search?q=deb-src |
| 02:08.44 | pingu | ziper1: deb-src gives you the source code. |
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| 02:09.14 | ziper1 | ok, thanks |
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| 02:11.03 | pingu | Hello71: I guess I could do a loop that `cat`s my filesystem into /dev/urandom |
| 02:11.22 | pingu | Or is it the other way around? |
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| 02:12.03 | pingu | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null |
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| 02:13.57 | pingu | The python script was storing data in main memory, and accessing the ALU. |
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| 02:14.30 | pingu | I didn't think it would need to deal with off-board storage... |
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| 02:15.35 | pingu | Do /dev/null and /dev/urandom even exist physically? |
| 02:15.49 | pingu | Otherwise that is just a main memory interaction. |
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| 02:35.23 | Capum321 | how to run a command after wake up - using anacron or system-sleep? - and parse? the login credentials? |
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| 02:38.19 | pingu | Capum321: @reboot |
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| 02:57.30 | jmcnaught | Capum321: you could take this service unit of anacron's as a template: /lib/systemd/system/anacron-resume.service |
| 02:58.07 | jmcnaught | Capum321: and use the User= directive described in "man systemd.exec" |
| 02:59.07 | implijer | on debian jessie thunar does not use xarchiver correctly :( (packages : xarchiver + thunar-archive-plugin) |
| 02:59.51 | jmcnaught | Capum321: put your custom service unity in /etc/systemd/system if it's a system job, /etc/systemd/user if it's a job that should be run by logged in users |
| 03:00.08 | jmcnaught | ^unity^unit |
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| 03:02.04 | Capum321 | unity what? |
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| 03:03.26 | jmcnaught | Capum321: sorry unity was a typo for unit |
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| 03:11.05 | fucshiagirl | http://www.renegadetribune.com/christopher-bollyn-solving-9-11-ends-war/ |
| 03:11.08 | Capum321 | what you mean |
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| 03:22.58 | pingu | What do you do when REISUB fails? |
| 03:23.45 | pingu | What is it even called when REISUB fails? |
| 03:23.45 | pingfloyd | sometimes you have to be patient with reisub |
| 03:24.20 | pingfloyd | but if that fails, then you're pretty much force to hard shutdown |
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| 03:24.47 | pingu | pingfloyd: I know, but it's been ~2 hours now. |
| 03:24.49 | pingfloyd | pingu: but one thing to bear in mind is you may have some of the magic sysrq keys disabled |
| 03:25.10 | pingfloyd | by default only a few are enabled in debian (which is rather annoying). |
| 03:25.26 | pingu | OMG, who would do that?!? |
| 03:25.35 | pingu | And why?!? |
| 03:25.46 | pingfloyd | ikr, because once you realize it, it's too late |
| 03:26.18 | pingfloyd | pingu: can you access a console to the system at all? |
| 03:26.55 | pingfloyd | e.g., via ssh, any sort of terminal, or virtual console (any way to get a CLI)? |
| 03:27.11 | pingu | Not unless there is another way than Alt+PrSc+R & Ctrl+Alt+F# |
| 03:27.31 | pingu | Oh, no I don't think so... |
| 03:27.41 | pingu | My firewall rules would prevent that. |
| 03:28.28 | pingfloyd | if you can somehow manage to: echo "1" > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq then maybe you can get it to engage. |
| 03:28.50 | pingu | I thought Debian was supposed to be solid? Why would they take power away from the user? |
| 03:29.15 | pingfloyd | pingu: I forget the default out of the box value they have set for that, but it has only a few of the sysrq keys enabled. |
| 03:29.16 | pingu | Can you do that blindly after Alt+PrSc+R ? |
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| 03:29.45 | pingu | 438 |
| 03:29.53 | pingfloyd | one of the first things I do on a new installation is change that to 1 |
| 03:30.18 | pingu | Yeah, I'll put it in my post-installation script. |
| 03:30.52 | pingfloyd | you can also echo the keys to /proc/sysrq-trigger instead of typing the using the combos |
| 03:31.21 | pingfloyd | like: echo r > /proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 03:31.25 | pingfloyd | and so on |
| 03:32.24 | pingfloyd | my guess is debian decided to limit it for security reasons |
| 03:32.24 | pingu | But that requires access to a console? |
| 03:32.52 | pingu | But there's like screen locking and stuff for that? |
| 03:32.53 | prwui | I don't believe the official 911 narrative either. |
| 03:33.29 | pingfloyd | they present some security implication when there is a physical access, but trying to lock down security when there is a physical access is a pointless battle in my book |
| 03:33.50 | pingfloyd | other than full disk encryption which only provides that security when the keys aren't in a memory |
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| 03:34.07 | pingu | Use a One Time Pad. |
| 03:34.36 | pingu | I have a HDD with the pad on it. |
| 03:34.47 | pingu | I just XOR the HDDs. |
| 03:34.51 | pingfloyd | I'd rather have 1 by default |
| 03:35.19 | pingu | Same. |
| 03:35.34 | pingfloyd | because I tend to side on that debate that limiting is sysrq keys isn't worth much from security standpoint in practice. |
| 03:35.40 | Capum321 | jmcnaught: thanks for the help. i will work that out |
| 03:35.59 | pingfloyd | but it clearly is helpful when things go wrong with the system |
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| 03:36.26 | pingfloyd | the utility far outweighs the security implications in my book on that one |
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| 03:37.20 | pingu | You should become the next Debian leader. |
| 03:37.26 | pingu | I'll vote for you. |
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| 03:38.52 | pingu | Demian could be a DEMocratic fork... |
| 03:39.45 | pingu | I highly doubt the masses agree with the magical decision. |
| 03:39.48 | pingfloyd | anyway, what I do is put 'kernel.sysrq=1' in /etc/sysctl.d/local.conf |
| 03:40.11 | pingu | Do you have a distro? |
| 03:40.20 | pingfloyd | me? |
| 03:40.34 | pingu | Yes. |
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| 03:40.50 | pingfloyd | I've built a distro from scratch before, but that was more as an exercise. |
| 03:41.05 | pingfloyd | a learning exercise |
| 03:41.32 | pingu | Want to do it again? I want to learn, but that would probably be too much work... |
| 03:41.40 | pingfloyd | it really takes a lot of manpower and resources to maintain a decent level of quality distro |
| 03:41.56 | JosephineBlack | hallo |
| 03:41.58 | pingfloyd | yeah, it's a ton of work |
| 03:42.12 | JosephineBlack | we make a littke game? |
| 03:42.23 | pingfloyd | and then once you build it, that's only half of the battle (if that), because then comes all the maintenance and keeping it up to date. |
| 03:42.50 | binaryc | pingfloyd,pingu - suggestions for getting into building distro from scratch. Something i have thought about but never took a step towards. |
| 03:42.54 | pingu | Can you teach me? We can take the commonalities of our names and call it "PingOS". |
| 03:43.08 | pingfloyd | binaryc: a good learning exercise for that is LFS/BLFS |
| 03:43.48 | pingu | What about just taking Debian apart and putting it back together again; instead of completely from scratch? |
| 03:44.05 | pingfloyd | LFS deals with bootstrapping/building the main toolchain, and BLFS with building more programs |
| 03:44.06 | binaryc | seconded- Was unsure if starting from scratch or fork was more worthwhile learning exercise. |
| 03:44.06 | pingu | Starting with a post-installation script. |
| 03:44.07 | JosephineBlack | hmm |
| 03:44.20 | pingfloyd | pingu: yeah, doing a fork would probably be more practical |
| 03:44.28 | pingfloyd | pingu: because then all you have to maintain is the changes you want |
| 03:44.53 | JosephineBlack | one quest all win 100 Dollar |
| 03:44.58 | JosephineBlack | so I ask |
| 03:45.06 | JosephineBlack | pingfloyed |
| 03:45.13 | JosephineBlack | what is AK47 ? |
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| 03:45.22 | pingu | I'm willing to do it, as long as I'm not alone; since I'm not that knowledgeable about anything too technical. |
| 03:45.26 | pingfloyd | probably most practical would be maintaining a repo with your changes for an existing dist |
| 03:45.26 | JosephineBlack | 10 |
| 03:45.30 | JosephineBlack | 8 |
| 03:45.33 | JosephineBlack | 6 |
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| 03:45.40 | themill | JosephineBlack: fuck off |
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| 03:46.43 | binaryc | Anything to learn from watching debian repo - merging changes myself and building nightlies ? |
| 03:47.09 | surfist | where would I go for libinput advice? |
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| 03:48.33 | pingu | surfist: Peter Hutterer |
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| 03:52.53 | surfist | 2 finger scrolling is my nemesis currently |
| 03:52.59 | pingu | IDK, I was just looking at the man page. |
| 03:53.25 | surfist | I figure some gnome guru might be lurking somewhere |
| 03:53.53 | surfist | or X guru |
| 03:53.53 | pingfloyd | I love 2 finger scroll myself |
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| 03:54.33 | socomm | pingfloyd: scroll mouse gets my vote |
| 03:54.46 | pingu | I prefer Logitech's hyperscroll technology. |
| 03:54.47 | pingfloyd | synclient is so much more configurable |
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| 04:02.39 | altker128 | Hey guys. I'm running Debian Jessie with the MATE desktop but can't seem to get Compiz turned on. I've installed Compiz from this repo: http://compiz-debian.tuxfamily.org/ |
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| 04:03.58 | surfist | borked |
| 04:04.03 | surfist | anyhow.... |
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| 04:04.13 | Rusty1_ | try #compix channel altker128 |
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| 04:04.29 | Rusty1_ | er , #compiz |
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| 04:19.17 | _unreal_ | if a build is setup to start bluetooth services during early boot. where would I find the scripts? any ideas |
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| 04:22.22 | pingfloyd | _unreal_: under /etc/init.d/ or /lib/systemd/ |
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| 04:24.37 | _unreal_ | pingfloyd, checking |
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| 04:26.28 | mtcj | Heeelooo De-bi-an! |
| 04:26.41 | mtcj | (Just watched that movie.) |
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| 04:34.14 | _unreal_ | pingfloyd, init.d doesnt exist, but systemd does, and http://pastebin.com/4XE3q6mV that is whats listed inside |
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| 04:37.39 | pingfloyd | you don't have an /etc/init.d/ directory? |
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| 04:39.53 | pingfloyd | _unreal_: if you want to see all systemd units on the system (including inactive ones): systemctl -a |
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| 04:40.23 | pingfloyd | I'm not sure whether it will be sysv init script of systemd unit handling bluetooth though |
| 04:40.36 | pingfloyd | s/of/or |
| 04:40.56 | _unreal_ | ok.... multi choice then :) |
| 04:41.00 | pingfloyd | I'm not using bluetooth here to really check |
| 04:41.01 | _unreal_ | thank you watson |
| 04:41.34 | _unreal_ | omg this computer is painfully slow |
| 04:41.46 | _unreal_ | 800mhz arm with 1gb ram |
| 04:41.47 | _unreal_ | hehe |
| 04:42.26 | kimN | hi guys. I have hybrid graphics intel/nvidia. But i don't want to use bumblebee nor do I care about the intel graphics. How do I set my system up so it only uses the nvidia chip? Right now, nvidia-detect returns with "No NVIDIA GPU detected." |
| 04:43.01 | _unreal_ | hybrid? |
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| 04:43.48 | kimN | yes. hybrid. my laptop has intel integrated graphics and nvidia geforce 820m |
| 04:44.28 | vvande | I think you can turn it off in the BIOS |
| 04:45.25 | kimN | I tried turning it off in the BIOS, but there's no option to do that in my BIOS |
| 04:46.01 | kimN | This laptop ran ubuntu, prior to debian and ubuntu didn't seem to have any problem using the nvidia card |
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| 04:47.06 | _unreal_ | vvande, no bios |
| 04:47.10 | _unreal_ | this is a cubox |
| 04:47.27 | vvande | oh |
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| 04:50.22 | axlr | ubuntu is for kids |
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| 04:51.43 | mtcj | African word for Slackware is too hard |
| 04:51.53 | themill | wrong channel? |
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| 04:52.28 | axlr | pure debian is king |
| 04:52.33 | mtcj | Nah just that's the only distro I've heard the joke about |
| 04:52.47 | mtcj | I'm sure lots of distros are used for the joke though |
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| 04:53.43 | axlr | :) |
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| 05:55.37 | Hink | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOCKS#Software all seem old and unupdated. |
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| 06:00.59 | fernie | Hink: ssh? see ssh -D |
| 06:02.54 | vvande | lol |
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| 06:08.15 | Hink | ssh, eh no. |
| 06:08.16 | Hink | That is exactly what I am trying to be avoiding. |
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| 06:11.54 | blockcubed | I wonder how sshhh became the sound for "be quiet" |
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| 06:18.40 | H4ndy | blockcubed: I think it roughly resembled the sound of wispered voice |
| 06:19.25 | blockcubed | I did some looking and from the origin of the words hush or shush sounds pretty legit too |
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| 06:19.59 | blockcubed | also something about sounds the arabic made |
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| 07:25.54 | deb13 | So this is weird: I'm trying to run Debian on a new ASUS laptop, I've downloaded and run the liveCD+firmware, and my touchpad just... isn't registering? |
| 07:26.37 | deb13 | Like, I'm pretty sure it's not even showing up in `/proc/bus/input/devices`, levels of not registering. |
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| 07:27.33 | deb13 | Anyone have any suggestions for what to do/where I should look or search next? |
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| 07:28.17 | pingfloyd | deb13: you sure it isn't disabled in say the bios? |
| 07:29.18 | deb13 | I'm pretty sure all USB stuff was UnLock-ed in BIOS..? It works in Windows... |
| 07:30.03 | deb13 | (Would it maybe work in Windows because of UEFI-stuff but be disabled in liveUSB Debian..?) |
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| 07:35.40 | teraflops | deb13: debian livevd does not do UEFI iirc |
| 07:36.28 | teraflops | livedvd* |
| 07:36.56 | deb13 | I know -- I figured out what settings to switch in BIOS to allow it to boot. I've successfully booted. The problem now is the touchpad being completely invisible. |
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| 07:40.38 | teraflops | deb13: identify the device via lspci then gogle about it |
| 07:40.50 | teraflops | google* |
| 07:41.14 | teraflops | you want the pci id |
| 07:41.53 | deb13 | What would it look like in lspci? |
| 07:42.15 | teraflops | if it's usb then lsusb. |
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| 07:42.38 | teraflops | deb13: what kind of touchpad is it? |
| 07:43.05 | deb13 | lsusb isn't installed -- can I install something while running a liveUSB? |
| 07:43.15 | teraflops | yep |
| 07:43.50 | teraflops | also xorg.log may help. |
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| 07:44.32 | teraflops | even dmesg. and lsmod too |
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| 07:45.35 | cryptonix2 | is there a command to search for files installed from a specific package? |
| 07:47.47 | deb13 | (ach, frick, where the heck is "connect to WiFi" in XFCE...) |
| 07:47.51 | teraflops | cryptonix2: dpkg -L package name |
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| 07:55.23 | deb13 | Wait. Huh. Um, how would I check if this same problem is happening to the WiFi thing as well...? |
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| 08:00.01 | deb13 | How can I check whether it can't see the WiFi hardware also...? |
| 08:00.41 | teraflops | lspci |
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| 08:01.08 | deb13 | What would I look for? |
| 08:01.48 | deb13 | Oh: "Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros Device"? |
| 08:01.55 | teraflops | grep -i for wireless or network |
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| 08:02.07 | teraflops | sounds promising |
| 08:03.11 | Fjorgynn | hej |
| 08:03.16 | simbalion | Can anyone tell me why this mp3 file doesn't play audio in smplayer, vlc, or firefox, but works in cmus and audacity? https://tailpuff.net/recording0001/ and here is it's media info: hastebin.com/raw/ugepidaqid |
| 08:04.00 | teraflops | deb13: look if you have the firmware atheros package installed5 |
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| 08:05.14 | deb13 | How do I check that? modprobe something? |
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| 08:07.56 | han-solo | dpkg |
| 08:07.58 | deb13 | Ah. apt search atheros shows firmware-atheros as [installed]. |
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| 08:08.27 | deb13 | So I do have it... |
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| 08:12.14 | SpeedyG | hey, just a general sys-admin question.... is there any added value in nic teaming/bonding when working with virtual servers? |
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| 08:13.19 | deb13 | Okay, I need to go. I'll take another shot at this later. Thanks. |
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| 08:14.46 | babilen | SpeedyG: You mean on the hypervisor? |
| 08:15.47 | SpeedyG | babilen: nope, the guests... on the hypervisor I kinda assume it to be of added value :) |
| 08:16.23 | SpeedyG | if you config it correctly on the hypervisor, there'd probably be no need for it on the guests right? |
| 08:16.34 | babilen | yeah |
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| 08:17.07 | babilen | I mean, try it, but I would - at best - expect it to have similar performance |
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| 08:18.00 | SpeedyG | thx :) that kinda validates my logic :) |
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| 08:23.45 | speciality | Do you know anyone who would provide Debian training ? |
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| 08:25.38 | han-solo | What? |
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| 08:32.12 | bibble_ | unbound dns listening 0.0.0.0:53, connect with openvpn and make request 10.8.0.1:53. this only works when firewall allows port 53. why is this ? isn't 10.8.0.1 a local address like 127.0.0.1 ? |
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| 08:34.30 | digdilem | no, 10.* is a private non-internet range |
| 08:34.34 | digdilem | like 192.168.* |
| 08:34.47 | Fjorgynn | can I list all installed packages in debian? |
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| 08:35.01 | digdilem | Fjorgynn, dpkg --get-selections |grep install |
| 08:35.26 | Fjorgynn | thanks |
| 08:35.34 | digdilem | np |
| 08:35.56 | bibble_ | see digdilem. |
| 08:36.11 | babilen | Fjorgynn: What do you plan to use that list for? |
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| 08:37.51 | Fjorgynn | see what I can uninstall in raspbian ;) |
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| 08:38.17 | Fjorgynn | why do I get some "deinstall" ? :o |
| 08:38.32 | Fjorgynn | off stuff I've had but deinstalled |
| 08:39.10 | maziar | i want to send email from my debian command line, from my gmail, to yahoo mail, how can do it? is there any tutorial ? |
| 08:39.29 | unborn | maziar: install sendemail (not sendmail) |
| 08:39.37 | digdilem | if you run it without the |grep bit, it just returns a list of statuses, Fjorgynn. the grep filters out any status that has install in it, which also includes deinstall |
| 08:39.49 | digdilem | you can always filter it out with a smarter grep or manually afterwards |
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| 08:40.02 | maziar | unborn do you have any "how to" for it |
| 08:40.12 | unborn | oh sure. one moment |
| 08:40.34 | unborn | maziar: http://caspian.dotconf.net/menu/Software/SendEmail/ |
| 08:41.10 | unborn | there is an info even how to send email from gmail as well.. like direct command etc.. ^^^ |
| 08:42.05 | bibble_ | maziar: there's also ssmtp, and just gmail credentials to config file: https://wiki.debian.org/sSMTP |
| 08:42.22 | unborn | maziar: i think you can install it via apt-get install sendemail |
| 08:42.31 | maziar | bibble_ let me check your link |
| 08:42.59 | maziar | unborn i know how to install it, but i don't know how to configure it |
| 08:43.26 | Fjorgynn | sosse! |
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| 08:43.50 | unborn | maziar: it should be in debian repos I think.. just apt-get install sendemail.. you should not need to configure anything.. just send email from terminal |
| 08:43.59 | unborn | maziar: its all on that page http://caspian.dotconf.net/menu/Software/SendEmail/ |
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| 08:44.33 | maziar | unborn where should i configure my sender email address, and its password and its smtp address ? |
| 08:44.42 | unborn | maziar: in command |
| 08:44.43 | unborn | heh |
| 08:44.59 | maziar | unborn :| |
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| 08:45.54 | unborn | there is zero config.. if that is from your laptop you should be safe to put those into your scripts (if that is what you want to use it for), or just into your terminal.. |
| 08:46.45 | kroSoft | Hi all |
| 08:47.11 | unborn | if you would like to have some config perhaps it is possible.. dont know.. I do not used into that extend.. just read that page. or perhaps use what bibble_ suggested. |
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| 08:48.08 | kroSoft | unborn, can i use this software in unrealircd.conf, when someone register his user and sendmail will send him mail for confirmation ? |
| 08:48.59 | unborn | kroSoft: you should be able to, if you will tell unrealircd how.. |
| 08:51.11 | unborn | kroSoft: I use it for various stuff including notifications from server like if someones login into my ssh or my ip will change it.. so I think its possible.. for me it works nicely and as zero config, I dont need to spend much time to play with it. |
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| 08:52.31 | kroSoft | unborn: ok, i will try it, as i see it's simple and no much time to spend.. lol |
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| 09:05.31 | Anarchy | hi there I have proftpd installed and running but it isnt listening to port 21, although on proftpd.conf Port is 21, how can I solve this issue? |
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| 09:06.07 | AlwaysHigh | ana |
| 09:06.21 | AlwaysHigh | Anarchy, u should make it run thru sftp |
| 09:06.23 | AlwaysHigh | atleast |
| 09:06.26 | AlwaysHigh | fuck port 21 |
| 09:06.44 | AlwaysHigh | so port 22 atleast |
| 09:06.47 | Anarchy | if they both use the same port wont it be problem? |
| 09:07.04 | AlwaysHigh | no |
| 09:07.11 | kroSoft | unborn: i must install mail server in my vps after use this software ? |
| 09:07.13 | Anarchy | ok I will change the port to 22 and restart |
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| 09:08.00 | unborn | kroSoft: no not at all.. sendemail (not sendmail) |
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| 09:10.40 | unborn | Anarchy: see my reply on another channel |
| 09:11.11 | kroSoft | vps300596 sendEmail[23880]: ERROR => Connection attempt to localhost:25 failed: IO::Socket::INET: connect: Connexion refusée |
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| 09:11.33 | unborn | kroSoft: are you sure you installed sendEmail and not sendmail? |
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| 09:11.54 | kroSoft | yes yes im sure |
| 09:11.58 | kroSoft | wait |
| 09:12.27 | kroSoft | shark@vps300596:~/sendEmail-v1.56$ ./sendEmail -f shark@zidnet.ovh -t walidzid@gmail.com -u "hello" -m "mail de test" |
| 09:12.28 | kroSoft | Sep 11 11:10:41 vps300596 sendEmail[23880]: ERROR => Connection attempt to localhost:25 failed: IO::Socket::INET: connect: Connexion refusée |
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| 09:13.32 | unborn | kroSoft: sendEmail -o tls=yes -f YourEmail@gmail.com -t SomeoneYoureEmailing@domain.com -s smtp.gmail.com:587 -xu YourEmail@gmail.com -xp YOURPASSWORD -u "Hello from sendEmail" -m "How are you? I'm testing sendEmail from the command line." |
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| 09:13.55 | kroSoft | Ok |
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| 09:16.27 | unborn | kroSoft: that is for gmail as en example.. but you can generally connect to any smtp server with desired port.. for your gmail test it with command I posted above just change the values to yours. after test you can replace someoneyoureemailing@domain.com with variable from your unrealircd script same with message body and subject |
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| 09:21.00 | ThisIsZenified | t |
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| 09:23.09 | kroSoft | unborn please how to install : Net::SSLeay and IO::Socket::SSL |
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| 09:25.06 | unborn | kroSoft: for? script should work right a way.. or coz of unrealircd? |
| 09:25.30 | kroSoft | for script |
| 09:25.56 | kroSoft | sendEmail[23901]: ERROR => No TLS support! SendEmail can't load required libraries. (try installing Net::SSLeay and IO::Socket::SSL) |
| 09:26.28 | ThisIsZenified | kroSoft: try, apt-cache search ssleay? |
| 09:26.30 | unborn | kroSoft: heh.. you can try to install libnet-ssleay-perl and install libcrypt-ssleay-perl |
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| 09:26.36 | ThisIsZenified | kroSoft: try, apt-cache search socket | grep ssl ? |
| 09:26.52 | kroSoft | ok one moment |
| 09:29.42 | unborn | kroSoft: or you could use this command to found out: apt-cache depends sendemail |
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| 09:30.19 | kroSoft | sendemail |
| 09:30.19 | kroSoft | Dépend: perl |
| 09:30.19 | kroSoft | Dépend: libio-socket-inet6-perl |
| 09:30.19 | kroSoft | Suggère: libio-socket-ssl-perl |
| 09:30.19 | kroSoft | Suggère: libnet-ssleay-perl |
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| 09:30.45 | kroSoft | sudo apt-cache depends sendEmail |pastebinit |
| 09:30.45 | kroSoft | http://paste.debian.net/816413/ |
| 09:30.46 | kroSoft | :)) |
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| 09:30.50 | unborn | :) |
| 09:30.57 | unborn | so just install those and it should work |
| 09:31.02 | kroSoft | Ok good |
| 09:31.07 | kroSoft | wait |
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| 09:36.20 | kroSoft | unborn are you sure about the port of gmail ? 587 |
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| 09:37.11 | unborn | kroSoft: you can use 465 as well.. |
| 09:37.21 | unborn | if 587 does not worked |
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| 09:37.28 | kroSoft | i this is 465 |
| 09:37.33 | kroSoft | i think is 465 |
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| 09:42.53 | kroSoft | :P |
| 09:43.09 | kroSoft | the working port is 25 in Gmail |
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| 09:43.31 | kroSoft | and i have this lol invalid SSL_version :PP |
| 09:43.54 | kroSoft | i must fix this problem... |
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| 09:44.28 | kroSoft | invalid SSL_version specified at /usr/share/perl5/IO/Socket/SSL.pm line 492. |
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| 09:44.54 | kroSoft | unborn, did you have this problem when u used sendEmail for the fisrt time ? |
| 09:45.04 | unborn | kroSoft: http://caspian.dotconf.net/menu/Software/SendEmail/ its mentioned by software creator there.. |
| 09:45.16 | unborn | kroSoft: nope I did not.. it even installed depens for me |
| 09:45.32 | unborn | i just installed sendemail and use it right a way |
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| 10:06.16 | kroSoft | unborn: thanks for your support but i think i have somme problem with the tls in my vps, i will try to fix it :) |
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| 10:06.55 | MoonTiger | hi guys :) |
| 10:07.14 | MoonTiger | i'm having a weird issue plugging in an external usb drive |
| 10:07.41 | MoonTiger | fails on debian stretch but works fine on windows on same machine |
| 10:07.54 | MoonTiger | anybody heard of something like this? |
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| 10:08.48 | MoonTiger | [ 154.650599] usb 2-3: Device not responding to setup address. [ 154.857785] usb 2-3: Device not responding to setup address. [ 155.058404] usb 2-3: device not accepting address 2, error -71 |
| 10:08.55 | MoonTiger | this is what dmesg gives me |
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| 10:11.17 | tomreyn | MoonTiger: unplug this device, then unplug all (or as many aspossible, it's just temporarily) other usb devices, then re-plug the non-working device. |
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| 10:11.41 | MoonTiger | tomreyn, there are no other usb devices plugged in |
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| 10:12.34 | tomreyn | okay, does the external usb drive allow for it to be externally powered (i.e. not over usb)? if so, try that. |
| 10:13.01 | MoonTiger | tomreyn, no it's a s.5" usb external 1tb |
| 10:13.06 | MoonTiger | 2.5 |
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| 10:13.36 | altker128 | MoonTiger: Try a different USB port. Could be a USB qwirk |
| 10:13.59 | MoonTiger | altker128, i tried all 3 on the laptop |
| 10:14.17 | tomreyn | MoonTiger: is the laptop running from battery or A/C? |
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| 10:14.32 | MoonTiger | tomreyn, AC |
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| 10:14.53 | tomreyn | which debian release? |
| 10:14.56 | MoonTiger | like i said, if i reboot to win10 it works as it should |
| 10:15.01 | MoonTiger | stretch |
| 10:15.11 | tomreyn | oh you said this, sorry |
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| 10:15.28 | tomreyn | check for firmware updates |
| 10:15.45 | MoonTiger | tomreyn, firmware for what? |
| 10:15.55 | tomreyn | the drives' controller |
| 10:16.38 | MoonTiger | tomreyn, not sure if that would change anything? win10 sees it and works with it just fine |
| 10:16.47 | MoonTiger | am i missing something? |
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| 10:17.07 | tomreyn | most hardware is tested with windows but not linux |
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| 10:17.31 | MoonTiger | tomreyn, yes understood - just never had this happen before with any drive ever |
| 10:18.04 | tomreyn | when they go to market and people report "doesnt work with linux", some vendors may make firmware updates available to make their stuff compatible / actually comply with standards. |
| 10:18.47 | tomreyn | you could also try booting off some live linux and see whether it's detected there and then compare kernel versions |
| 10:20.21 | MoonTiger | yes i thought to try a live ubuntu boot |
| 10:20.27 | MoonTiger | will give that a go - thanks |
| 10:20.29 | MoonTiger | :) |
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| 10:46.26 | hexnewbie | OK, so I have a card reader that systemd-udev-settle is waiting for for 7seconds on Jessie. Do I have reasonable options to cut those 7 seconds from my boot time? The udev-finish are waiting for it, and I also have my ZFS service that are waiting for it (and /home waits on that). I could rewrite the latter to wait for my hard drives by name, not sure if that's a good idea. Do I have other options (other than mask it and pray I don't hit a race)? |
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| 11:05.14 | no_gravity | How can I figure out if a particular driver is in use right now? |
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| 11:10.04 | altker128 | no_gravity: lsmod if it's a module or dmesg possibly |
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| 11:11.43 | no_gravity | altker128: Every driver that is currently used is in the output of lsmod? |
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| 11:12.25 | hexnewbie | Not every |
| 11:12.37 | hexnewbie | lsblk can show some users for block devices |
| 11:13.20 | no_gravity | Well, I am trying to fix my wifi (for like 5 days now...). Somebody suggested to "unload conflicting modules: modprobe -r b44 b43 b43legacy ssb brcmsmac bcma". I would like to look up if they are used at all. |
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| 11:13.51 | babilen | Did you try the driver from jessie-backports as suggested? |
| 11:13.53 | iKarith | whew! That took a little bit of doing, but I've accomplished it! lvmcache + LUKS on the whole system. |
| 11:14.19 | babilen | no_gravity: "lspci -knn|grep -i network" should provide the information you are after |
| 11:14.37 | no_gravity | babilen: which info? |
| 11:14.41 | hexnewbie | no_gravity: The command will fail if they are used, but yeah, lsmod shows if the modules are indeed in use. |
| 11:15.00 | no_gravity | babilen: If those 6 modules are used? |
| 11:15.04 | hexnewbie | no_gravity: But most likely one of those modules is used by another one, and the other by another. |
| 11:15.42 | no_gravity | So if someboday suggests to "modprobe -r b44 b43 b43legacy ssb brcmsmac bcma" - is there a way to figure out if this could make sense? As in: if these modules are loaded at all? |
| 11:15.57 | babilen | no_gravity: Did you run the command I just gave you? |
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| 11:16.17 | babilen | And did you install the broadcom-sta-wl package from jessie-backports as suggested yesterday? |
| 11:16.20 | no_gravity | babilen: Atm it is more about understanding linux then about running random commands and see what happens. |
| 11:16.23 | iKarith | As with most things LVM, there's lots of slightly incompatible and incomplete "guides" on doing it, and the standard documentation has too many options to make it easy to figure out what you really want. But for a "single partition" setup with swap, it's doable. But not completely from within the installer. |
| 11:16.36 | no_gravity | babilen: Right now I am trying to figure out if a module is used. |
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| 11:16.39 | hexnewbie | no_gravity: Actually, I think we're presently talking about two definitions of âusedâ. babilen told you how to see if the driver is used for a device, altker128 and I told you how to check if the module is in use by a program |
| 11:16.53 | babilen | no_gravity: That's a wise choice ... The command I gave you will list the kernel module in use. Did you run it? |
| 11:17.37 | babilen | If you have questions about that command then please ask it |
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| 11:18.06 | no_gravity | babilen: Ok, so "lspci -knn" shows all kernel moduls that are currently loaded? |
| 11:18.26 | hexnewbie | no_gravity: It shows all PCI devices on the system, and the module that is loaded *for* them |
| 11:18.33 | babilen | No, it doesn't. It lists all PCI devices, their names, PCIID and the kernel modules in use |
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| 11:18.53 | babilen | If you were to run the complete command I mentioned it would become rather obvious what it does |
| 11:18.54 | no_gravity | Hmm.. ok. I'm not even sure what a PCI device is though :) |
| 11:19.06 | babilen | If you need additional information feel free to read the manpage with "man lspci" |
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| 11:19.38 | no_gravity | All modules related to wifi should be in the output of "lspci -knn"? |
| 11:19.55 | babilen | Yes, but that's not the command I gave you |
| 11:20.35 | no_gravity | babilen: Yeah, but as I said, this is about my understanding of linux. |
| 11:21.06 | babilen | I don't know what more I can say than "It lists all PCI devices, their names, PCIID and the kernel modules in use" |
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| 11:21.53 | no_gravity | And since WiFi hardware is usually a PCI device, everything WiFi should be in there, right? |
| 11:22.25 | babilen | Many people use USB dongles, so no |
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| 11:23.00 | babilen | But under the assumption that every WiFi device is a PCI device you would be correct |
| 11:23.05 | no_gravity | Ok |
| 11:23.10 | hexnewbie | no_gravity: There isn't exactly a simple way to tell you exactly what modules used by what exactly - lspci -knn and lsmod give you only a bit of the information. There's a pretty complicated way to get more, are you sure you need that though? |
| 11:23.31 | no_gravity | hexnewbie: I'm not yet sure what I need. Just trying to understand it all. |
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| 11:26.17 | no_gravity | In the output of "lspci -knn", a line like "kernel modules: bcma, wl" |
| 11:26.37 | no_gravity | In the output of "lspci -knn", a line like "kernel modules: bcma, wl" does not mean that they are used, only that they exist, right? |
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| 11:27.17 | babilen | no_gravity: To cut this short: I'd recommend to install both a newer kernel and broadcom-sta-wl from backports. |
| 11:27.23 | babilen | dpkg: bdo kernel |
| 11:27.24 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 11:27.34 | babilen | Similar for broadcom-sta-wl |
| 11:27.59 | babilen | Before that install headers with apt-get -t jessie-backports linux-headers-amd64 |
| 11:28.04 | babilen | err |
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| 11:28.13 | babilen | apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-headers-amd64 |
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| 11:40.25 | xenomorph_xx_121 | hi, if i have two versions of g++ installed, how can i tell cmake/make to use the older version? |
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| 11:49.04 | REGETT | Hi all! I need help with IBM BladeCenter, some body can help me? |
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| 11:51.30 | Capum321 | how to run a command, after wake up from suspended system - with anacron or system-sleep ? - and parse? the login credentials to DM, so the script can run a GUI app, like a irc client. |
| 11:53.05 | xenomorph_xx_121 | Capum321: not sure about GUI stuff but these days im putting scripts for resume in /lib/systemd/system-sleep |
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| 11:53.50 | Capum321 | yes it's sure a possibility, but all the process i am trying to code, is unattended |
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| 11:54.26 | Capum321 | listen i have gather some information, maybe you could help me but that into code... |
| 11:54.33 | Capum321 | put* |
| 11:55.43 | Capum321 | you could take this service unit of anacron's as a template: /lib/systemd/system/anacron-resume.service / and use the User= directive described in "man systemd.exec" / put your custom service unity in /etc/systemd/system if it's a system job, /etc/systemd/user if it's a job that should be run by logged in users. |
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| 11:59.27 | xenomorph_xx_121 | Capum321: are you talking about actually making the script log-in? or run something within an existing session? |
| 11:59.49 | Capum321 | the former |
| 12:00.19 | Capum321 | the whole steps of the script is unattended |
| 12:01.33 | xenomorph_xx_121 | Capum321: but don't you already have an x session running when the machine suspends? |
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| 12:02.25 | Capum321 | thats a good point, i don't know how it behaves. it will sleep from a x session, yes. |
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| 12:04.27 | julius_ | hi |
| 12:04.49 | xenomorph_xx_121 | Capum321: in that case you might just need to set the display variable (DISPLAY=:0) and use su to run your script as your gui user |
| 12:05.01 | julius_ | is there a way to have skype run on jessie/64bit without installing all the 32bit packages? |
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| 12:08.35 | xenomorph_xx_121 | julius_: i dont think the new skype alpha needs them. but i dont know how well that works |
| 12:08.48 | julius_ | yeah just found that |
| 12:08.51 | julius_ | thanks, will try |
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| 12:09.33 | Fjorgynn | thanks |
| 12:10.00 | Capum321 | xenomorph_xx_121: what file should I edit? |
| 12:10.26 | xenomorph_xx_121 | Capum321: i'd probably try to make a script in the folder i mentioned earlier |
| 12:11.13 | Capum321 | off course |
| 12:11.27 | Capum321 | but the template example? |
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| 12:12.40 | Capum321 | you see, the wake up should be unattended. no user action to wake the system. |
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| 12:13.45 | jimcooncat | Guys, I don't know what I'm looking for. I want to query the walmart.com api and get a .csv of the results. What tools would I use to do this without (a lot of) programming? |
| 12:14.26 | Fjorgynn | aha |
| 12:15.33 | xenomorph_xx_121 | Capum321: i dont know what you mean by wake up unattended. but as for the script, either copy one that is already there, or read the systemd documentation |
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| 12:18.09 | jimcooncat | oh well |
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| 12:18.13 | fughetta | hi, having trouble with nvidia drivers if anyone can help me |
| 12:18.30 | hassonofer | How do I tell update-java-alternatives to ignore errors |
| 12:18.39 | Capum321 | xenomorph_xx_121: wake up the suspended system while user AFK! |
| 12:18.48 | hassonofer | It fails when i try to use java 1.8 because i don't have icedtea installed |
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| 12:19.16 | fughetta | I installed nvidia-drivers from jessie-backport and did everything that was on the debian wiki site. I also renamed xorg.conf and rebooted to see if it would replace it with a working file. it didn't |
| 12:19.27 | MOZGIII | hello, can I somehow request a package backport from testing to stable? I need an updated u-boot |
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| 12:19.47 | MOZGIII | Or can I do it myself maybe? |
| 12:19.59 | fughetta | I get to the GUI login screen (alt-f7) and it gives me an oh no! something went wrong. |
| 12:20.05 | babilen | dpkg: ssb |
| 12:20.06 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 12:20.11 | babilen | MOZGIII: ^ |
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| 12:20.34 | babilen | judd: checkbackport u-boot |
| 12:20.35 | judd | Backporting package u-boot in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, archignore. |
| 12:20.36 | MOZGIII | babilen, thanks, I'll take a look |
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| 12:20.43 | babilen | Should work |
| 12:20.56 | ewew | Hi. Does anyone have trouble with rsyslog not logging after log rotation ? |
| 12:21.03 | jim | hi... my wireless sorta works... but I happened to notice there were other firmware files,,, would they happen to be packaged? take a look at: http://termbin.com/6zrr |
| 12:21.15 | xenomorph_xx_121 | Capum321: u mean wake-on-lan? |
| 12:22.06 | MOZGIII | babilen, so, not it's supposed to be in the backport repo? |
| 12:22.21 | babilen | judd: v u-boot |
| 12:22.22 | judd | Package: u-boot on amd64 -- wheezy: 2012.04.01-2 |
| 12:22.44 | MOZGIII | judd: ? |
| 12:22.53 | babilen | Ah .. it is in wheezy, but not in jessie nor testing or unstable |
| 12:22.59 | Capum321 | xenomorph_xx_121: no, completely off. |
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| 12:23.31 | babilen | MOZGIII: Maybe you can grab the package from wheezy, but there probably is a reason why it is no longer in the archive |
| 12:23.35 | MOZGIII | babilen, on jessie it's 2014.10 (in stable, not backports) |
| 12:24.00 | Capum321 | xenomorph_xx_121: no user interaction at all |
| 12:24.32 | babilen | MOZGIII: Do you happen to know the name of the package? Are you actually referring to u-boot-tools rather than u-boot? |
| 12:24.40 | MOZGIII | babilen, it's strange cause it shouldn't even depend on anything on the system |
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| 12:25.20 | babilen | I guess you mean u-boot-tools .. that package can also be backported with the aforementioned procedure |
| 12:25.27 | MOZGIII | babilen, eh, I actually just want u-boot, to begin with, to flash the latest version to my nand |
| 12:25.58 | babilen | MOZGIII: Is that the name of the executable? |
| 12:26.23 | MOZGIII | babilen, I could as well manually build it somewhere else, but it just seems strange that it isn't backported like everything else |
| 12:26.40 | babilen | Not everything is backported |
| 12:26.46 | babilen | judd: v u-boot-tools |
| 12:26.47 | judd | Package: u-boot-tools on amd64 -- wheezy: 2012.04.01-2; jessie: 2014.10+dfsg1-5; stretch: 2016.03+dfsg1-6; sid: 2016.03+dfsg1-6; experimental: 2016.09~rc2+dfsg1-1 |
| 12:26.55 | babilen | MOZGIII: Do you mean that ^ |
| 12:26.55 | MOZGIII | babilen, it only contains images, no executables |
| 12:27.19 | babilen | I have never used u-boot and simply trying to figure out the name of the package so that I can help you to backport it |
| 12:27.28 | babilen | (as you don't seem to know it) |
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| 12:28.03 | MOZGIII | babilen, yeah, I guess I'd need u-boot-tools as well, but my original question was about u-boot package: https://packages.debian.org/ru/sid/u-boot |
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| 12:29.00 | REGETT | Hi again |
| 12:29.00 | MOZGIII | babilen, or maybe I need just u-boot-sunxi |
| 12:29.05 | ov3_ | would it be better to install hacking tools on jessie or have a distro like kali? |
| 12:29.14 | ov3_ | anyone/ |
| 12:29.19 | ov3_ | ? |
| 12:29.28 | REGETT | Who work with IBM BladeCenter |
| 12:29.28 | babilen | MOZGIII: Yeah, that shouldn't be a problem either |
| 12:29.30 | REGETT | ? |
| 12:29.51 | babilen | MOZGIII: Sorry, the bot queries packages for amd64 by default. You are obviously using a different architecture. |
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| 12:30.03 | babilen | ov3_: Better for what? |
| 12:30.25 | MOZGIII | babilen, oh, yeah, sorry :) I'm using armhf |
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| 12:30.55 | babilen | MOZGIII: That threw mew off .. I have no checked with different tools. Either way the 'ssb' procedure should work |
| 12:31.05 | babilen | judd: v u-boot --arch armhf |
| 12:31.06 | judd | Package: u-boot on armhf -- wheezy: 2012.04.01-2; jessie: 2014.10+dfsg1-5; stretch: 2016.03+dfsg1-6; sid: 2016.03+dfsg1-6; experimental: 2016.09~rc2+dfsg1-1 |
| 12:31.17 | MOZGIII | babilen, and what does this bot do? Will it do the backporting for packages to just appear in the repos? |
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| 12:32.06 | MOZGIII | judd: v u-boot-tools --arch armhf |
| 12:32.07 | judd | Package: u-boot-tools on armhf -- wheezy: 2012.04.01-2; jessie: 2014.10+dfsg1-5; stretch: 2016.03+dfsg1-6; sid: 2016.03+dfsg1-6; experimental: 2016.09~rc2+dfsg1-1 |
| 12:33.06 | Guest42265 | babilen: convenient while upgrading? |
| 12:33.11 | hassonofer | update-java-alternatives does not update javac, any ideas why ? |
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| 12:34.44 | unborn | Guest42265: changing nick that many times per second or two without changing your host.. whats the point? |
| 12:35.10 | unborn | i mean ov3_ |
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| 12:43.06 | ThisIsZenified | unborn: he's a idiot lol |
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| 13:05.34 | SweetPear | Hi, can someone tell me how I can safely setup ftp with an anonymous account |
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| 13:18.45 | altker128 | SweetPear: Safe and FTP are probably on opposite ends of the spectrum. If you have OpenSSH running you can use sftp |
| 13:19.09 | SweetPear | Hmm |
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| 13:19.16 | SweetPear | I have OpenSSH |
| 13:19.36 | SweetPear | Does sftp have the same anonymous thing as ftp? |
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| 13:24.32 | SweetPear | altker128: Is it possible to make a sftp account that one has access to a specific read-only file? |
| 13:24.41 | SweetPear | only* |
| 13:26.03 | wingman2 | You can have anonymous sftp but it's insane and I won't help you |
| 13:27.14 | Rephlexie | I think you can chroot a sftp user, but its a pain. |
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| 13:32.23 | digdilem | if read only, why not just http that file? |
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| 13:33.17 | SweetPear | digdilem, c++ doesn't want to do what I want it to do xd |
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| 13:34.03 | altker128 | SweetPear: Do you have to restrict it to read-only? You could create a user on the system |
| 13:34.11 | axlr | i come in peace |
| 13:34.39 | SweetPear | altker128, Hmm |
| 13:35.00 | SweetPear | With chroot or something? |
| 13:35.04 | altker128 | SweetPear: You can create users without a homedirectory and then create some specific path and use UNIX permissions to only grant read-only access to a user or group |
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| 13:35.36 | SweetPear | altker128, Would that work properly with ssh? |
| 13:35.41 | altker128 | SweetPear: Even simpler, standard UNIX lets you create users and groups. You can use that permissions system to enforce read-only access to a group, and put this sftp_external user in that group |
| 13:35.58 | altker128 | SweetPear: Yes, it should work, you can create users without homedirectories |
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| 13:40.04 | meshugga | does debian have something like launchpad (maybe inofficially) where one can publish a ppa for a specific package? |
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| 13:40.40 | zykotic10 | meshugga: thankfully... no... |
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| 13:43.02 | altker128 | zykotick9++ :) |
| 13:43.44 | meshugga | because choice is ... bad? |
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| 13:44.23 | altker128 | It's a cheap hack |
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| 13:44.40 | queuepop | good day |
| 13:45.02 | altker128 | Anyone know how/why Ubuntu's Xorg configuration has Composite enabled without an /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 13:45.45 | queuepop | got an issue; i am trying to update my sources.list with a debian 'pool' source -- not sure how to add it correctly -- what is the syntax required in order to use a 'pool' mirror? |
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| 13:46.53 | uhoreg[m] | Debian doesn't have a PPA service as such, but DDs could publish packages that they build on people.debian.org, or you could use alioth to host a repository. |
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| 13:47.30 | SweetPear | altker128, I want to use ssh on a public server, is there any good guide how to set this up safely |
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| 13:48.51 | themill | SweetPear: without mentioning any specific technology, what are you actually trying to achieve? |
| 13:49.15 | altker128 | themill: My guess is some way to make a remote file available to some user(s) but for them to not have full access to the system |
| 13:49.18 | roadrunneratwast | hi. how do i use a graphical file manager on a file system that i ssh to in the terminal? |
| 13:49.30 | SweetPear | Indeed |
| 13:49.58 | roadrunneratwast | or how do i ssh to a filesystem using Thunar? |
| 13:50.04 | themill | altker128: putting words into someone's mouth is precisely what I'm trying to avoid |
| 13:50.21 | altker128 | SweetPear: I don't know of a good guide off hand, but you should read the sshd_config options carefully, I would disallow root-login and potentially use fail2ban |
| 13:50.50 | altker128 | SweetPear: You could also re-locate the SSH port (from 22 to something far away) |
| 13:51.04 | SweetPear | Why actually? |
| 13:51.04 | altker128 | Anyone here using Compiz with Debian's MATE ? |
| 13:51.37 | queuepop | any idea altker128 ? using a pool distro source for sources.list |
| 13:51.38 | queuepop | ? |
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| 13:51.46 | altker128 | SweetPear: Why what? |
| 13:51.56 | SweetPear | re-locate the SSH port |
| 13:52.11 | queuepop | roadrunneratwast: MC? master commander |
| 13:52.17 | themill | queuepop: wth is a "pool mirror"? |
| 13:52.30 | queuepop | http://mirrors.mediatemple.net/debian-archive/debian/ |
| 13:52.33 | roadrunneratwast | ok. i will install that. |
| 13:52.34 | Andrepila | what do you guys think of honeypots for a production server? are they useful or will fail2ban succeed? |
| 13:52.35 | altker128 | queuepop: I just use a Debian mirror (either mit.edu or kernel.org) |
| 13:53.02 | SweetPear | altker128, Like, What's wrong with port 22 |
| 13:53.04 | queuepop | ive never use a pool mirror; looks like its got a compilation of many distro |
| 13:53.08 | roadrunneratwast | queuepop what is that called on aptitude? |
| 13:53.12 | queuepop | 22 is default |
| 13:53.20 | altker128 | SweetPear: It's a well known port, so people try all the time to remotely login to it |
| 13:53.26 | queuepop | using a 5 number port gives you room to move via scans |
| 13:53.39 | queuepop | roadrunneratwast: apt-cache search master commander should find it |
| 13:53.44 | roadrunneratwast | ok |
| 13:53.57 | queuepop | command to run it in terminal is mc |
| 13:54.13 | queuepop | use tab/enter/space -- may want to check out out the key config first |
| 13:54.15 | SweetPear | altker128, Yeah that's right |
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| 13:54.39 | queuepop | altker128: http://mirrors.mediatemple.net/debian-archive/debian/pool/ |
| 13:54.45 | queuepop | is what i want to add to my sources.list |
| 13:55.07 | queuepop | am i missing something; heh it won't aptitude update with the syntax i used :S |
| 13:55.13 | altker128 | queuepop: I dunno what to say, I don't use pools |
| 13:55.17 | themill | queuepop: that's not the right place to start |
| 13:55.20 | altker128 | queuepop: I just select a mirror |
| 13:55.35 | queuepop | im not starting |
| 13:55.36 | themill | queuepop: what are you actually trying to do? What release are you running? |
| 13:55.49 | queuepop | ive got lenny upgraded to experimental |
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| 13:55.55 | themill | errr no |
| 13:55.58 | queuepop | would be nice to use a pool source to keep my box sound |
| 13:56.02 | themill | no |
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| 13:56.16 | altker128 | queuepop: What is this obsession with the use of pools? |
| 13:56.46 | queuepop | im manually using sources to keep the box sound; but discovered a pool; wonder if this pool system actually works |
| 13:57.11 | queuepop | from what is looks like, it elimiates the need to use independant sources mirrors |
| 13:57.15 | themill | no |
| 13:57.34 | themill | queuepop: you're currently trying to mix a release that ceased support 4 years ago with a partial release that is not designed for people to use |
| 13:57.43 | queuepop | hehe |
| 13:57.49 | themill | (basically, doom) |
| 13:57.53 | queuepop | that is not how the box is setup |
| 13:58.03 | themill | [23:55] <queuepop> ive got lenny upgraded to experimental |
| 13:58.22 | pingfloyd | so much failure in one statement |
| 13:58.51 | queuepop | hmm you are aware if a box foundation is setup with the right updates it IS possible to keep a box running without a depandcies problem from lenny to exp |
| 13:58.56 | queuepop | i guess not |
| 13:59.02 | themill | it is not |
| 13:59.05 | queuepop | wasnt my question tho |
| 13:59.18 | queuepop | and a quantum device is impossible as well |
| 13:59.19 | queuepop | lol |
| 13:59.34 | queuepop | im not asking if its possible |
| 13:59.39 | queuepop | im asking how a pool system works |
| 14:00.02 | themill | the pool is just a way of storing packages; apt needs to know about it and you do not |
| 14:00.19 | queuepop | isee |
| 14:00.27 | queuepop | never looked into it |
| 14:00.39 | altker128 | Hrm, anyone ever copied gconf settings from Ubuntu to Debian? |
| 14:00.50 | themill | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-ftparchives#s-pools for reference |
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| 14:01.12 | queuepop | PAM is more useful via sshd_config - but thats just my opinion |
| 14:01.17 | queuepop | when securing your box |
| 14:01.33 | queuepop | great |
| 14:01.35 | queuepop | thanks themill |
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| 14:07.38 | SweetPear | altker128, Should I enable PasswordAuthentication? |
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| 14:08.04 | SweetPear | Does PasswordAuthentication work incombination with RSA or just the password only |
| 14:08.08 | altker128 | SweetPear: If you don't, then you have to use something like SSH keys |
| 14:08.30 | SweetPear | altker128: Keys are more secure right? |
| 14:09.22 | altker128 | SweetPear: I believe so. I don't think you can copy the key over to another system since it won't match certain IDs |
| 14:09.34 | altker128 | SweetPear: That is, SSH keys specifically |
| 14:09.50 | J|N | PAMela Anderson |
| 14:09.55 | SweetPear | altker128, I don't get it |
| 14:10.01 | J|N | use PAM |
| 14:10.23 | J|N | it supports native express cards authentican as well |
| 14:10.31 | J|N | safenet hardware ackwards compatible |
| 14:11.04 | SweetPear | I have no idea how RSA / SSH keys work |
| 14:11.20 | SweetPear | No idea about PAM either |
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| 14:13.03 | Andrepila | why does apt-get install nginx-naxsi tell me there is no package? |
| 14:13.27 | towo` | because the package does not exist? |
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| 14:13.36 | towo` | what's hard to understand? |
| 14:13.42 | analog | Andrepila: |
| 14:13.52 | analog | use http:pkgs.org |
| 14:14.01 | analog | gdebi packagename.deb |
| 14:14.08 | analog | auto resolves dependancies |
| 14:14.11 | Andrepila | but there is: https://packages.debian.org/de/wheezy/nginx-naxsi |
| 14:14.34 | Andrepila | damn, its for deb 7 ~,~ |
| 14:14.36 | analog | apt-cache update |
| 14:14.50 | themill | analog: please stop. |
| 14:14.51 | roadrunneratwast | queuepop: mc isn't a gui. it's an ncurses program. is that what you were talking about? |
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| 14:15.10 | b3d0u1n | I have a Debian Squeeze install with 2.6.32-48squeeze20 as the Linux image, and 3.4~bpo60+1 as the Linux base. I think the Linux base got installed a few days ago when I did an apt-get upgrade. There's been a couple strange things happening. Is it normal for the Linux base and image to be mismatched so drastically like that? |
| 14:15.13 | analog | themill: leave |
| 14:15.14 | towo` | and apt-cache update is not a valid command |
| 14:15.18 | Andrepila | i'll doit from source then |
| 14:15.42 | themill | b3d0u1n: that's not squeeze then |
| 14:15.58 | analog | https://www.midnight-commander.org/ |
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| 14:16.00 | b3d0u1n | It's definitely saueeze. it's squeeze using the backports repository. |
| 14:16.01 | analog | midnght* |
| 14:16.06 | analog | forgot it was called midnight |
| 14:16.27 | analog | themill: stop as in drop and roll? |
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| 14:16.36 | analog | or something relevant? |
| 14:16.37 | themill | analog: stop as in please stop talking nonsense. |
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| 14:17.11 | analog | ssh keys will get pwned if your system as a bug |
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| 14:17.16 | roadrunneratwast | analog: is there a commander with a gui rather than a text interface? |
| 14:18.13 | towo` | roadrunneratwast, doublecmd-gtk |
| 14:18.15 | themill | b3d0u1n: if you install the packages from squeeze backports then you can have such a version difference. Squeeze hasn't been a supported release for quite a while though |
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| 14:18.34 | b3d0u1n | themill: Yeah I know. It's a weird setup but I'm "safe" and upgrading even to wheezy would cause me headaches. |
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| 14:19.06 | themill | safe in the sense of running unsupported software without security support? |
| 14:20.47 | b3d0u1n | themill: I'm thinking of rolling the linux base back to 2.6.32 ... do you foresee any problems? |
| 14:20.47 | themill | That depends entirely on your set-up. |
| 14:20.47 | roadrunneratwast | thanks towo` |
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| 14:20.47 | b3d0u1n | what is the apt-get command to do a dry run ? |
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| 14:20.49 | themill | b3d0u1n: amazingly, the man page even lists --dry-run |
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| 14:34.42 | b3d0u1n | well, will see if it survives reboot |
| 14:34.43 | b3d0u1n | :) |
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| 15:05.31 | bibble_ | best method/software to send an alert when config files like /etc/ssh/sshd_config are altered ? |
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| 15:12.34 | JyZyXEL | does Ctrl+Alt+Backspace work in jessie? |
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| 15:27.33 | b0ing_ | hi |
| 15:27.49 | b0ing_ | is tehre a way to run linux-image-xxx-dbg ? |
| 15:28.01 | b0ing_ | I installed it, but it cant be run |
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| 15:29.19 | jmcnaught | bibble_: the type of software you are looking for is an intrusion detection system. there are a few of them packaged for Debian |
| 15:29.49 | jmcnaught | bibble_: you should also look at etckeeper which is also helpful |
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| 15:29.58 | OerHeks | b0ing_, that .dbg is just the list with stuff to compile your kernel. |
| 15:30.38 | b0ing_ | OerHeks: tehre isn't a bin pkg for a kernel with debug activated? |
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| 15:31.32 | magnus1 | hey. trying to install debian jessie on a software raid root. i create a raid device and then let debian do guided partition. it adds a 1 MB "reserved boot area" to the beginning of raid. Later on when i read the step where grub is installed, it fails. Regardless of which of the disks i try to install it to. I tried running install-grub manually, and it states "this GPT partition label contains no BIOS Boot |
| 15:31.34 | magnus1 | Partition" and cannot embed the bootloader. Is this a bug in debian jessie or am I doing something wrong? |
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| 15:37.06 | _unreal_ | hello https://www.solid-run.com/download/pub/solidrun/cubox/distros/debian/ |
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| 15:37.28 | _unreal_ | I have downloaded this image, I have formated the SDcard. but I'm having trouble getting the image to the card |
| 15:37.49 | _unreal_ | https://www.solid-run.com/download/pub/solidrun/cubox/distros/debian/install-debian-hardfp-headless |
| 15:37.54 | fughetta | hi, can anyone help me out with nvidia nouveau drivers? it doesn't seem to be loading firmware correctly |
| 15:37.58 | _unreal_ | that doc is wierd I dont think its a script |
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| 15:38.51 | fughetta | here is what happens when i $ modprobe nouveau' |
| 15:39.08 | fughetta | and $ dmesg: http://pastebin.com/PMSTsXNm |
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| 15:59.01 | _unreal | ok time to test my debian image, I think I got it |
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| 16:05.27 | nias | I cannot use bluetooth. When I turn it on it still shows as off. |
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| 16:12.38 | dTal | How does one flush the DNS cache on Jessie? |
| 16:14.07 | somiaj | dTal: are you sure it is the cache on your machine and not the cache of your name server? |
| 16:14.31 | dTal | Yes, because I changed the server |
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| 16:15.02 | somiaj | What is using this cache (I don't think jessie has a cache, but I think webbrowsers do cache) |
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| 16:15.28 | sonion | lots of stuff use cache .. tar etc |
| 16:15.54 | dTal | I'm using Iceweasel |
| 16:15.58 | somiaj | it could also be the nameserver update hasn't propagated, that can take some time. I perosnally use the /etc/hosts ot override ip address so I can test things while I wait for the new stuff to propagate |
| 16:16.02 | somiaj | sonion: I dont' think tar uses an ip cache. |
| 16:16.25 | somiaj | dTal: iceweasel? Debian doesn't provide icewasel anymore, do you mean firefox? It may have a way to reset it. |
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| 16:17.09 | somiaj | dTal: http://www.kahunaburger.com/2009/03/18/clear-dns-cache-in-firefox/ I foudn this, and other links for 'clear dns cache firefox' that may help. |
| 16:17.20 | sonion | somiaj: got me there :) |
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| 16:18.47 | dTal | hmm, you were right it was internal to Iceweasel |
| 16:19.04 | dTal | although I didn't do anything, just waited for the cache to expire :p |
| 16:19.31 | somiaj | yea firefox caches dns so it doesn't have to run a lookup every time, that page shows how you can change the timeout it takes. |
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| 16:19.46 | sonion | iceweasel is firefox? try seamonkey/icecape? |
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| 16:19.55 | dTal | While we're at it, is there a way of marking "this network's DNS is totally broken, use Google's" for a particular SSID? |
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| 16:20.46 | somiaj | sonion: iceweasel use to be a rebranding of firefox, but debian now can distribute firefoxes trademarks again so debian doesn't provide iceweasel |
| 16:20.56 | dTal | TalkTalk is frankly ridiculous, perfectly valid domains don't resolve and instead point to a stupid error page - which then gets cached of course |
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| 16:21.12 | somiaj | sonion: if dTal is really useinc iceweasel they need to upgrade to the current esr in firefox from the debian repos, else they have a unsecure browser. |
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| 16:21.55 | somiaj | dTal: afaik, there is no easy way to do that or to look up different dns by ip. Just use a dns that works is my best suggestion |
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| 16:22.15 | dTal | I really am using Iceweasel. I'm on Jessie but I can't remember when I last upgraded... |
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| 16:22.34 | somiaj | dTal: upgrade to firefox, it should be in the security repos and require a dist-upgrade. |
| 16:22.45 | th0r | dTal, are you using network manager? |
| 16:23.23 | somiaj | dTal: note iceweasel is still a dummy transtional package and there is a link from iceweasel to firefox so the upgrade is as smooth as possible, but you should upgrade so you are running the current firefox esr, and not the disconcuned esr the last iceweasel was bassed off of. |
| 16:23.33 | dTal | th0r: yes - it offers the option to add additional DNS servers but the problem is that TalkTalk's doesn't just give up, it actually returns the wrong IP to show its stupid page |
| 16:23.33 | th0r | dTal, (referencing your dns address question) |
| 16:23.58 | bibble_ | thanks jmcnaught . will check out etckeeper |
| 16:24.13 | th0r | dTal, did you set nm to just fetch the ip addresses, and nothing else? It is a config option...right after dhcp in the drop down |
| 16:25.14 | dTal | I'm not sure what you mean |
| 16:25.51 | dTal | either by "just fetch the ip addresses" or "the drop down" |
| 16:25.52 | th0r | dTal, right click on the notification icon and choose Edit connections. Choose the connnection, then the ipV4 tab |
| 16:26.06 | dTal | yes |
| 16:26.57 | th0r | where it says dhcp...click on that and a drop down menu appears. The second choice is to fetch addresses only...I do believe that will use the dns addresses you provide and not the onese sent by the service |
| 16:27.26 | dTal | oh is THAT what's for |
| 16:27.27 | th0r | dTal, notice that the line below changes from Additional DNS to just DNS |
| 16:27.41 | dTal | brilliant |
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| 16:27.45 | dTal | thank you th0r |
| 16:27.56 | th0r | dTal, I think that will solve your problem. |
| 16:28.33 | dTal | "adresses only" seems like a weird thing to call it, I mean DNS servers have addresses too |
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| 16:29.01 | th0r | dTal, hey....I am not in a decision making position here...I jujst play the game |
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| 16:29.49 | dTal | no indeed, thanks for the tip |
| 16:30.17 | th0r | dTal, good luck |
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| 17:03.54 | _unreal | YES!!!! finally got debian working on my cubox |
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| 17:04.02 | Phanes | are there enterprise certs for debian |
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| 17:07.01 | babilen | Phanes: LPI would be the usual suspect |
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| 17:08.14 | Phanes | so you mean 'no' or is LPI debian-specific? |
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| 17:09.14 | babilen | I can't rule out that there isn't one, so I'm not saying 'no' |
| 17:09.29 | babilen | And LPI isn't Debian specific |
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| 17:09.59 | Phanes | sighs |
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| 17:16.10 | deb13 | Okay so I *think?* I figured out what was wrong with the problem I was having last night...? |
| 17:16.30 | deb13 | (Gonna thought-dump, and people can judge if these thoughts make sense.) |
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| 17:17.19 | deb13 | My wireless device is a "Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042 (rev 30)" |
| 17:17.46 | _unreal | ok so I just got debian wheezy loaded, doing an update/upgrade,,,,, after that I'll do the distro upgrade |
| 17:17.49 | deb13 | which according to here [ http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/ath10k/2016-January/006644.html ] the linux kernel didn't support until 4.4. |
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| 17:19.14 | deb13 | The Debian Live Stable images have kernel 3.5 (I think? Maybe 3.6. 3.*, at least.) -- so wouldn't be able to handle it, even if I download the +firmware LiveCD. |
| 17:19.42 | deb13 | But in Debian Testing, the kernel is at 4.5 [ https://packages.debian.org/testing/kernel/ ], which should be enough, right? |
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| 17:20.10 | babilen | judd: kernels |
| 17:20.11 | deb13 | So if I download the Weekly Live Builds [ http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/ ] then that should be able to work, right? |
| 17:20.11 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.2-1+s1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2) |
| 17:20.19 | babilen | dpkg: bdo kernel |
| 17:20.20 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 17:20.52 | babilen | deb13: Don't you have ethernet? You can grab a backported kernel ^^^ and install it after the initial install. |
| 17:21.25 | babilen | Just install from a CD1/DVD1 image or hook up via ethernet, then grab the backported kernel, install it and you should be good. |
| 17:21.37 | babilen | Tracking testing comes with its very own set of problems |
| 17:21.57 | babilen | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
| 17:22.08 | deb13 | I don't have ethernet. At school, which just does wireless. For... some reason. :P |
| 17:22.30 | babilen | You can, naturally, also install testing. I'd recommend to configure it with unstable in its sources.list and the default release set to 'testing' however as in |
| 17:22.33 | babilen | dpkg: tum |
| 17:22.33 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
| 17:23.12 | surfist | speaking of synaptic... anyone know libinput? since synaptic is now toast in newer X |
| 17:23.17 | babilen | deb13: That's incredibly pesky. Well, you can install stable from CD1/DVD1 and then copy the packages you need (backported kernel and firmware from jessie-backports) over and install it manually. |
| 17:23.46 | babilen | deb13: That's obviously a lot more work than it should be ;) |
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| 17:25.47 | cyphix | Does anyone encounter unexpected crashes with libreoffice 4.3.3? A friend of mine experiment crashes quite often, and it's ruining its LO experience. |
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| 17:27.57 | deb13 | For the sake of "would this even work or would I run into other problems" (for example, the touchpad also didn't work. I just ran into trouble poking at that because can't install, e.g., evtest) -- would downloading and trying the Weekly Live Builds show whether or not doing the much-more-work of using the backported kernel would work? |
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| 17:29.05 | babilen | deb13: It would |
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| 17:29.29 | babilen | Give it a try .. please note that I'm not sure about the status of the live builds and they are definitely not the recommended way to install Debian |
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| 17:32.46 | surfist | x.org has migrated away from synaptics and toward libinput and it's a mess |
| 17:33.38 | surfist | ooOOOoOhh fun idea.... |
| 17:33.40 | zinx | X.org's input changes in general have been a huge mess |
| 17:33.45 | surfist | yeap |
| 17:33.48 | surfist | royal pain |
| 17:34.03 | surfist | 2 finger scrolling briefly worked |
| 17:34.07 | surfist | then vanished |
| 17:34.19 | surfist | edge scrolling is toast forever looks like |
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| 17:35.35 | surfist | have scoured the net for solutions |
| 17:35.40 | surfist | nothing |
| 17:39.28 | deb13 | Cool. Makes sense. Um, what packages would be the ones I would download/where would I find them? Firmware-linux from https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/firmware-linux (and it's dependencies), and, um...? |
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| 17:40.37 | deb13 | (Also -- I'd put them on another USB and plug it in and install it off of that, right? I can't do another partition of the same USB stick because Windows.) |
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| 17:41.44 | babilen | firmware-atheros |
| 17:42.26 | babilen | linux-image-amd64 (+dependencies) |
| 17:43.01 | babilen | Which cpu chipset does your box use? |
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| 17:47.28 | deb13 | x86_64, yeah. |
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| 17:56.31 | afa32 | hello. i have 2 disks in raid 1. if one of the disks fail, what would i need to do? |
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| 17:59.39 | Time-Warp | afa32: dont even think about the consequences hot swap that bad boy |
| 17:59.45 | Time-Warp | lol |
| 17:59.46 | init7 | BRB BEER TIME !! |
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| 18:02.03 | afa32 | Time-Warp: why you do this :( |
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| 18:07.29 | deb13 | Huh. That... was still kernel 3.16... |
| 18:07.38 | jasabella | why does elasticsearch depend on default-jre and not default-jre-headless? |
| 18:08.12 | _unreal | ouch, this thing is so slow |
| 18:08.16 | deb13 | did I misunderstand what Weekly Live Builds were? (I've searched a bit, but I couldn't find any writing about them...) |
| 18:08.30 | _unreal | installing lxde on my cubox running debian wheezy, thats running off an SD card |
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| 18:08.45 | _unreal | 600megs of dead slow |
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| 18:09.48 | deb13 | OH WAIT that is from 2015, and I am Very Good at observational skills... |
| 18:10.40 | deb13 | ... why are the "Weekly Live Build" not at all having been built recently...? |
| 18:11.53 | missmbob | i used the latest a couple of days ago and i couldnt boot after install. probably because it's broken as shit |
| 18:12.14 | missmbob | you're supposed to install using stable iso and then dist-upgrade if you want testing |
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| 18:13.04 | babilen | deb13: live builds, no |
| 18:13.21 | missmbob | oh live? i missed that bit. |
| 18:13.35 | missmbob | deb13: about that time the lead developer of live left debian |
| 18:13.41 | missmbob | not much has been done |
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| 18:15.45 | random_numbers | Assuming FD-encryption, is there any reason to pick strong user passwords rather than just setting 'wheel' and 'sudoers' to be used? |
| 18:16.17 | missmbob | what does encryption have to do with someone getting into yourself while it's powered on? |
| 18:16.26 | missmbob | your system* |
| 18:17.00 | random_numbers | I was looking at it more from a remote-login scenario like a compromised database or something suchlike. |
| 18:17.13 | deb13 | Yeah, my problem is that my wireless only works with kernel 4.4+ ... and I don't have ethernet... |
| 18:17.16 | missmbob | yeah. there's irrelevent to disk encryption |
| 18:17.18 | random_numbers | If it's running as its own user and not allowed to 'su', then it'd be contained, right? |
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| 18:17.40 | random_numbers | I'm assuming anyone with physical access already went rubberhose anyway. |
| 18:17.44 | missmbob | deb13: try the firmware iso |
| 18:17.47 | missmbob | !firmware iso |
| 18:17.47 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 18:27.49 | deb13 | missmbob: I tried that -- the problem is that the kernel in that is 3.16, and "Kernel 4.3 doesn't have support for QCA9377" |
| 18:27.54 | deb13 | (From here: http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/ath10k/2016-January/006644.html ) |
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| 18:30.44 | missmbob | deb13: okay. download these two deb packages to a different usb with wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64_4.6.4-1~bpo8+1_amd64.deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-atheros_20160110-1~bpo8+1_all.deb |
| 18:31.06 | missmbob | deb13: then install using the regular 3.16 kernel. then dpkg -i foo.deb for those two packages. reboot |
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| 18:32.04 | deb13 | Yeah, that was babilen 's suggestion above. I've been doing that -- but do I need to predownload and install all the dependencies, too? |
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| 18:32.49 | missmbob | deb13: i dont see any listed that's not default |
| 18:33.12 | deb13 | But do I need the backported versions of those, is my question. |
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| 18:33.43 | deb13 | Would they work with the old versions? I wouldn't expect definitely yes... |
| 18:33.46 | missmbob | deb13: what i gave you was the backported |
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| 18:34.07 | missmbob | yes |
| 18:34.27 | deb13 | Yeah -- but do I need the backported version of, e.g. initramfs and all that...? |
| 18:34.31 | deb13 | OH. |
| 18:34.33 | deb13 | WAIT. |
| 18:34.40 | alias_neo | I'm trying to build dnscrypt for mip64 but having trouble doing so and the slow speed is making it harder for me to resolve in a mips64 vm. Which version of debian x86 should I use to cross compile from? I'm targetting Wheezy mips64 |
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| 18:35.02 | deb13 | looks at the URL of 'https://packages.debian.org/JESSIE/initramfs-tools' |
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| 18:35.37 | missmbob | deb13: because there is no newer one in backports. because you dont need it |
| 18:36.27 | jim | alias_neo, do you mean the build succeeded or failed? |
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| 18:36.52 | meeto | hey ppl |
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| 18:37.40 | deb13 | OKAY. |
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| 18:38.04 | deb13 | But I DO need the backported version of "linux-base", because there IS a newer version in backports... |
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| 18:38.15 | meeto | does anyone have experience of debian in a mac mini ? |
| 18:38.42 | missmbob | meeto: https://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel |
| 18:38.43 | jim | what cpu does a mac mini have? |
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| 18:38.51 | alias_neo | jim: my build is failing, even though I built libsodium (the dep) with --enable-static, dnscrypt keeps trying to use libsodium.so (even though i configured it also with --enable-static) |
| 18:38.58 | meeto | i didn't decided yet |
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| 18:39.23 | meeto | may an i5 on 2.6 ir i5 on 1.45 |
| 18:39.37 | alias_neo | jim: so I was hoping to get an x86 machine up so i can trial and error it much faster than in the slow mips64 vm |
| 18:39.39 | durasara | i need some assistance with video drivers on an intel d2500 embedded graphics. I could only get KDE to work correctly, and the video driver it automatically installed was a vmware driver. |
| 18:40.04 | jim | alias_neo, are either or both of the packages available in the debian archive? |
| 18:40.09 | deb13 | Yay! |
| 18:40.15 | mtn | durasara: if you install in vmware, you will be using vmware drivers |
| 18:40.16 | deb13 | Okay let's try this again... |
| 18:40.27 | alias_neo | jim: sadly neither it appears for wheezy mips64 |
| 18:40.40 | mtn | durasara: I think vmware has their own channel and website for additional support |
| 18:40.46 | ll1lL1lL | Hi all. I am trying to make a bootable thumb drive from debian-live-8.5.0-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso, but I'm having trouble. I used dd if=path/to/iso of=/dev/thumbdrive bs=4M, but while the command is succesful the drive cannot be booted to. |
| 18:40.56 | durasara | mtn, I did not install in vmware. I installed bare debian 8. |
| 18:41.04 | ll1lL1lL | the sha256sum is correct so the iso is fine |
| 18:41.04 | durasara | mtn, this is not a vm. |
| 18:41.08 | mtn | durasara: then you won't have a vmware driver |
| 18:41.13 | ll1lL1lL | Any ideas? |
| 18:41.17 | missmbob | ll1lL1lL: did you not sync? |
| 18:41.21 | ll1lL1lL | I did |
| 18:41.21 | alias_neo | jim: I'm having no trouble building libsodium, but I can seem to get dnscrypt to statically link libsodium even though the script (official) i'm running is specifically for a statically linked build |
| 18:41.37 | mtn | durasara: install inxi and the do: Please type "inxi -Gx" (without the " marks) in a terminal and paste the results to dpaste.com and give us the link. |
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| 18:41.42 | Guest84378 | Il1lL1lL: sure that your BIOS launch the usb? |
| 18:41.51 | jim | why not dynamically link? |
| 18:41.52 | ll1lL1lL | Yeah, I'm sure |
| 18:41.53 | babilen | ll1lL1lL: What's the exact command you used? |
| 18:42.22 | Guest84378 | maybe you've UEFI system .. |
| 18:42.31 | missmbob | doesnt matter. that iso supports uefi |
| 18:42.33 | ll1lL1lL | It is UEFI |
| 18:42.47 | alias_neo | jim: it'll be run on a mip64 edge router, I'm _told_ it's to be dynamically linked |
| 18:42.57 | alias_neo | jim: statically* |
| 18:43.03 | ll1lL1lL | babilen the dd command stated above as sudo with ;sync at the end |
| 18:43.08 | ll1lL1lL | or && sync rather |
| 18:43.19 | missmbob | ll1lL1lL: that's not really helpful. he wants to know if you did /dev/sdx or /dev/sdx1 |
| 18:43.33 | durasara | mtn, http://dpaste.com/315C375 |
| 18:43.34 | missmbob | thus *exact* command request |
| 18:43.38 | jim | alias_neo, you mean for security reasons? |
| 18:43.40 | ll1lL1lL | Ok. It was /dev/sdd |
| 18:43.57 | alias_neo | jim: I have no idea why, but that seems reasonable |
| 18:44.03 | deb13 | Oh, wait. Problem, you said "reboot" -- is there some way to, like, still do this off of a LiveCD? I'd prefer to make sure it works before installing it to anything? (Especially since the touchpad also wasn't work, which I'll poke at later...) |
| 18:44.05 | mtn | durasara: it does not say anything about a vmware driver. you have intel |
| 18:44.10 | ll1lL1lL | I will look in my terminal history for the exact command to copy paste |
| 18:44.23 | missmbob | deb13: no |
| 18:44.27 | ll1lL1lL | sudo dd if=/mnt/RAID1/isos/debian-live-8.5.0-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso of=/dev/sdd bs=4M |
| 18:44.45 | mtn | durasara: can't you get into the desktop? |
| 18:44.50 | deb13 | ll1lL1lL: Is your BIOS configured to only do trusted boot? |
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| 18:44.59 | gordonjcp | evening |
| 18:45.08 | jim | alias_neo, it does seem reasonable, and, I'm curious whether dynamic linking would work... do you have a build log? I'm just guessing here |
| 18:45.10 | ll1lL1lL | deb13: Nope, and I have been able to boot to other live OSes |
| 18:45.34 | mtn | durasara: get into the desktop and then run the command again. |
| 18:45.36 | alias_neo | jim: It's building currently, but I'd hate to stop it since it's been going a while already |
| 18:46.02 | jim | yeah, don't stop it just to test a whim |
| 18:46.04 | gordonjcp | roughly how big would a typical install for Debian Jessie server be, straight out of the box? |
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| 18:46.25 | alias_neo | jim: what I can remember of the last error was that it was specifcally looking for the libsodium.so shared object in /usr/local/lib/ but I only have the static .a and .la in there. |
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| 18:46.58 | alias_neo | even though the LDFLAGS in the script are specifyinh static |
| 18:47.25 | durasara | mtn, yes, but http://dpaste.com/0NJETSB |
| 18:47.38 | missmbob | gordonjcp: minimal without desktop would be around 2G plus whatever you install |
| 18:47.43 | gordonjcp | missmbob: hm |
| 18:47.47 | jim | alias_neo, so, file not found? |
| 18:47.50 | gordonjcp | missmbob: that seems like a lot |
| 18:47.55 | alias_neo | jim: yep |
| 18:47.57 | missmbob | gordonjcp: too bad. |
| 18:48.02 | ll1lL1lL | No ideas anyone? Places to look, things to try? :-) |
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| 18:48.08 | gordonjcp | missmbob: I've got a bunch of machines with 2GB flash drives, that I'd like to repurpose |
| 18:48.18 | gordonjcp | missmbob: is there a minimal install of Debian? |
| 18:48.25 | durasara | mtn, and while it says this, when I open steam, it says that it is a vmware graphics media accellerator |
| 18:48.25 | missmbob | gordonjcp: it could work with 2. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 18:48.32 | alias_neo | jim: which is reasonable, since I didn't build the so, i'd expect it not to be there. I just don't know why it's not looking for the correct file. |
| 18:49.09 | Guest84378 | hi all, i can't change resolution/brightness on my debian system. "display" in system settings gives "impossible to obtain info from display".. any idea? |
| 18:49.11 | mtn | durasara: the gma500 is an intel driver. east to see using google ;) |
| 18:49.23 | Guest84378 | that was working one or 2 week ago |
| 18:49.26 | gordonjcp | missmbob: okay, I'll need to look at something a bit less heavyweight :-) |
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| 18:49.32 | gordonjcp | missmbob: thanks |
| 18:50.02 | missmbob | Guest84378: using stretch/testing? |
| 18:51.20 | jim | alias_neo, what command do you run to do the entire build? make? and, you use an option of ./configure when building the lib, to specify static? |
| 18:51.34 | Guest84378 | missmbob: ehm, what do you mean? |
| 18:51.39 | alias_neo | jim: ./configure --enable-static --disable-shared |
| 18:51.45 | alias_neo | jim: make -j3 |
| 18:52.06 | alias_neo | jim: Is there something I can look out for during the configure stage to ensure it's attempting a static build? |
| 18:52.14 | jim | ok, and you do make clean between build attempts? |
| 18:52.15 | mtn | durasara: what problem are you having with that driver? what is your real problem? |
| 18:52.33 | alias_neo | jim: I did this time |
| 18:52.53 | jim | ok... and the lib build succeeds? |
| 18:53.09 | alias_neo | jim: Lib build succeeeds, then I make install it |
| 18:53.29 | alias_neo | now I'm trying with trial and error to build the dnscrypt lib |
| 18:54.00 | alias_neo | when i say lib build succeeded I mean the libdosium library (dep of dnscrypt) |
| 18:54.07 | alias_neo | libsodium* |
| 18:54.13 | jim | ok... build the lib again, and this time --enable-static and --enable-shared (so it builds both)... |
| 18:54.53 | alias_neo | jim: Ok. I was in that position earlier and it complainied that I was trying to link a dynamic lib |
| 18:55.25 | alias_neo | jim: I will try that again though after cleaning but it may be a while, these builds are taking ~40 minutes |
| 18:55.25 | jim | then, when you run the make on the app, run it like this: make -j3 2>&1 | tee buildlog |
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| 18:55.43 | jim | understood |
| 18:56.24 | alias_neo | jim: Ok, build just failed with this: |
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| 18:56.45 | alias_neo | jim: warning: Using 'getaddrinfo' in statically linked appliâ[info] Using makefile-style concurrent boot in runlevel 2. |
| 18:56.48 | alias_neo | cations requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking |
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| 18:57.22 | alias_neo | sorry ignore the bit after the pipe on the first line, I copyied from a split terminal window |
| 18:57.27 | _unreal | trying to get a headless install to have a gui |
| 18:57.31 | alias_neo | damn my typing today |
| 18:57.33 | alias_neo | copied* |
| 18:57.50 | jim | once the app build exits, you'll have a file buildlog, and you can: cat buildlog | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 18:57.58 | _unreal | I have wheezy installed, I just did updates upgrades etc.... I just installed lxde |
| 18:58.12 | _unreal | but I dont get a startx it only says startlxde and when I run the command it does nothing |
| 18:58.23 | _unreal | am I missing something maybe? |
| 18:58.57 | jim | you'll have anything make outputed to stderr (such as some error message) in buildlog too, so anyone who wants to can see it |
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| 18:59.52 | alias_neo | jim: no problem, I'm quite familiar with those redirects |
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| 19:00.47 | jim | that's good to know |
| 19:01.48 | alias_neo | jim: ok i'll leave that building while I go get my wife from the train station, configure+build should take about an hour and i'll be back in about 2 |
| 19:03.06 | mtn | _unreal: un: how about installing a dm, such as gdm? |
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| 19:04.45 | jim | alias_neo, that "warning: Using 'getaddrinfo' ..." is just a warning... the actual error was something else, and may have occured much earlier in the build |
| 19:05.24 | jim | alias_neo, which makes a buildlog a nice thing to have |
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| 19:06.42 | alias_neo | jim: yes apologies, I clearly missed the important part, the error is; In function `_Unwind_Find_FDE': â[ ok ] Setting kernel variables ...done. |
| 19:06.49 | alias_neo | (.text+0x23ac): undefined reference to `dl_iterate_phdr' |
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| 19:06.58 | alias_neo | (again please ignore afterthe pipe) |
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| 19:08.07 | _unreal | gdm? |
| 19:08.15 | _unreal | hum |
| 19:08.21 | _unreal | I wonder if one is even installed |
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| 19:09.31 | _unreal | naturally I just started the install of xfce |
| 19:09.40 | _unreal | I"ll just hurry up and wait |
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| 19:15.16 | jim | alias_neo|AFK, you would need to find out where `dl_iterate_phdr' is defined... maybe in a lib you don't have? or maybe in one of the libs it's trying to link statically to |
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| 19:16.47 | jim | oh, and since you're building two libs, are you building the other with enable-shared (or disable)? |
| 19:16.50 | nick108 | Hi, I'm trying to follow https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.html to build a package for Icecast, but I'm not sure what the source directory would be. I installed Icecast from the sources and it is now located /usr/local/share/icecast/ as it seems. |
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| 19:17.50 | jim | nick108, they probably mean the top level of the source dir |
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| 19:19.38 | nick108 | jim, so source dir refers to the original sources from which I built Icecast? |
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| 19:21.30 | nick108 | just tried to run "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc" also in that dir, but I get the same error http://pastebin.com/byZGMkte |
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| 19:30.22 | Wotac | can someone tell me the repos in sources.list if i want to have sid? the internet search results are unclear, something about security updates not provided or something |
| 19:30.31 | missmbob | #debian-next |
| 19:30.37 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 19:30.37 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 19:31.17 | missmbob | Wotac: ask those guys ^ |
| 19:31.24 | awal1 | Wotac, not a good idea at all if your plan is mix jessie & sid |
| 19:31.44 | missmbob | or if you even have to ask how. but that's another story. they'll tell you what you need to know |
| 19:34.04 | _unreal | you where right it was missing gdm |
| 19:34.09 | Wotac | what do you mean if i need to ask |
| 19:34.14 | _unreal | just started installing gdm3 |
| 19:34.27 | missmbob | Wotac: generally you need to know debian really well to run sid. |
| 19:34.45 | missmbob | Wotac: but yeah...talk to them |
| 19:35.06 | _unreal | sigh mtn left |
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| 19:37.43 | _unreal | interesting it said that lightdm was installed but didnt seem to be working when I boot the computer it never gives me video |
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| 19:44.06 | francine | Is my AMD Radeon HD 8550G (APU) and my AMD R9 M275X supported on Debian? Can I use both? |
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| 19:51.55 | elliot007 | Hey gnome-terminal is not opening |
| 19:52.02 | elliot007 | when I tried using xterm got this |
| 19:52.03 | elliot007 | http://imgur.com/a/6Zzuj |
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| 19:55.47 | awal1 | elliot007, jessie? |
| 19:56.05 | elliot007 | yeah |
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| 19:57.05 | missmbob | elliot007: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 19:58.53 | elliot007 | missmbob: Yeah working now thanks |
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| 20:07.09 | tom99 | is "stable" exactly interchangeable for "jesse" inside of /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 20:07.29 | jasabella | tom99: it is until the next stable release comes out |
| 20:07.32 | tom99 | and "oldstable" synonymous with "wheezy"? |
| 20:07.35 | tom99 | ah ok |
| 20:07.36 | jasabella | tom99: it is until the next stable release comes out |
| 20:07.52 | tom99 | what happens if I put 'experimental' in, is that recognize? |
| 20:07.55 | missmbob | tom99: you should always use names, such was jessie, and not "stable/testing/sid" |
| 20:07.56 | tom99 | someone told me that's a real thing |
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| 20:08.07 | missmbob | tom99: you get experimental. yes it's real |
| 20:08.15 | jasabella | so you can track a specific release with its name, or a specific branch |
| 20:08.16 | missmbob | tom99: not even close to supported here |
| 20:08.28 | jasabella | hmmm i track the testing branch |
| 20:08.37 | missmbob | you shouldnt |
| 20:08.49 | tom99 | why shouldn't I use the synonyms stable/testing/sid? |
| 20:09.20 | jmcnaught | tom99: because when stretch becomes the new stable you don't want to have a surprise partial upgrade when you're just trying to apply security updates |
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| 20:10.12 | jasabella | i only do it with my laptop not my server :D |
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| 20:11.41 | jasabella | shouldnt that advice apply to stable only though? testing branch always has moving parts, experimental is even more fluid? |
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| 20:12.00 | missmbob | no. when stretch becomes stable, testing will get flooded with sid packages that were frozen |
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| 20:12.07 | missmbob | it'll break a lot usually |
| 20:12.46 | tom99 | jmcnaught: thanks that makes sense. If I recall it's something like jessie/updates is security and jessie-updates is regular non security updates |
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| 20:13.35 | jmcnaught | tom99: you should read the debian-reference and debian-handbook to get a handle on Debian fundamentals. Both are available as packages, or at https://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 20:13.52 | jmcnaught | tom99: here it's generally expected that you've read everything you can on a topic before you ask questions |
| 20:15.19 | tom99 | jmcnaught: fair enough, I guess just shooting blindly works better in the emulator channel i was in |
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| 20:15.35 | tom99 | since they don't have any docs I have no alternative but to ask dumb questions in the chat over there |
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| 20:21.56 | catbeard | so why won't mumble-server start on 8.5 x86_64 |
| 20:22.07 | catbeard | i have to manually type murmurd to get it to start |
| 20:22.25 | jim | hi, noticed that while installing some firmware packages made the iwlwifi I have work, it's flaky, and looking at a recent dmesg output, I notice it tried and failed to load some firmware files... take a look at: http://termbin.com/6zrr |
| 20:22.54 | jim | any debian packages have these? |
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| 20:24.09 | cruncher | jim, if you want more people to look at it just use http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 20:24.37 | jmcnaught | jim: there's a newer version of firmware-iwlwifi in backports, have you tried that? |
| 20:24.55 | jmcnaught | also i think termbin.com is fine. the ones that suck have ads or require javascript (like pastebin.com) |
| 20:25.16 | jim | I think so... let me check (I think I was told to install that) |
| 20:26.46 | jim | oh, I forgot to say I upgraded it to stretch in order to get the x server working with the skylake video (which it does) |
| 20:26.57 | jim | does stretch have backports? |
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| 20:27.07 | missmbob | jim no |
| 20:27.13 | jmcnaught | jim: stretch has unstable |
| 20:27.36 | missmbob | you upgraded the whole machine when you just needed a jessie-backports kernel? |
| 20:27.37 | jim | so do I ssb or install binary sid packages? |
| 20:28.47 | jmcnaught | yeah for lots of people they just need newer kernel and xserver-xorg-video-intel from backports for skylake video support on jessie |
| 20:28.51 | jim | missmbob, it was more than that, it was xserver-xorg-core from stretch that I needed (well according to discussion that took place here0 |
| 20:28.53 | jim | ) |
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| 20:29.17 | jim | I could try reinstalling |
| 20:29.41 | missmbob | jim sid and stretch has the same version of firmware-iwlwifi. you should ask the stretch people. #debian-next on OFTC |
| 20:29.56 | jim | oh ok |
| 20:29.57 | jmcnaught | !stretch/unstable mix |
| 20:29.57 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "stretch";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security stretch lines and change one set to sid, then apt-get update. apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than stretch as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. See <jum caveat> and use this setup to track <stretch> after its release. |
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| 20:35.41 | jim | cruncher, incidently, I like/use termbin because it's easy and quick to type when I want to pastebin the output of a command. (aka, it has an api that allows that)... does paste.debian.net also have that? |
| 20:35.59 | missmbob | yes |
| 20:36.04 | cruncher | jim, its ok, i didnt say you cant :) just that MORE people would click it ;-) |
| 20:36.06 | missmbob | pastebinit uses paste.debian.net by default |
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| 20:36.44 | jim | ok, noted |
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| 20:44.13 | WormFood | I have 2 files, that are incomplete. The missing parts are zero filled. Is there some utility in debian that would allow me to merge those 2 files into one? I can do it, but no point in reinventing the wheel, as I'm sure I'm not the first one to need this solution. |
| 20:45.21 | jmcnaught | well there's cat |
| 20:46.45 | jasabell1 | how do you tell the difference between zero-filled and an actual zero in the file? |
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| 20:47.50 | zinx | jasabell1: the file size will be smaller... other than that, i'm not sure you can.. maybe by clearing a block-aligned zero'd area, and seeing if the on-disk size changes |
| 20:47.57 | WormFood | jasabell1, well, if it's a zero in both files, then it's a zero |
| 20:48.05 | WormFood | the file sizes are the same |
| 20:48.17 | zinx | on-disk size :x |
| 20:48.27 | WormFood | if byte 12345 is 00 in both files, then it's a zero. |
| 20:48.44 | zinx | but if block 30 is zeros, it could be zeros, or it might not be stored on disk at all (sparse file) |
| 20:48.50 | mete | what's the easiest way to compare two decimal numbers in bash without bc/awk or another external program? |
| 20:48.58 | zinx | it's still read as zeros in either case. |
| 20:49.05 | WormFood | how it's stored on disk is moot (however, it should be sparse) |
| 20:49.26 | zinx | there are different parts that are zero filled, tehn? |
| 20:49.32 | WormFood | Right. |
| 20:49.49 | zinx | not sure there's anything purpose made for that |
| 20:49.50 | jasabell1 | by decimal do you mean real or integers only? |
| 20:49.55 | WormFood | imagine a file recovered from a bad hard drive, with the bad sectors zero filled. |
| 20:50.05 | jasabell1 | (decimal as in base10) |
| 20:50.13 | zinx | if you had a mapping of bad blocks to file blocks, that would be ideal... |
| 20:50.51 | zinx | WormFood: vbindiff may give you what you want, but i don't know what you want |
| 20:51.23 | zinx | WormFood: if you want it to automatically merge them to one file.. that's not gonna do it |
| 20:52.24 | WormFood | I think exporting to xxd, while it may be painfully slow, I think with the -a option, it might do the trick. |
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| 20:54.11 | zinx | good luck w/ that |
| 20:54.17 | zinx | i would just write a simple program myself :x |
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| 21:04.08 | tom99 | is this the correct syntax for backports? |
| 21:04.11 | tom99 | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 21:04.45 | tacocat | yes |
| 21:05.17 | tom99 | oh ok. i'm getting confused at all the different debian servers. httpredir.debian.org, us.debian.org, ftp.debian.org |
| 21:05.26 | tom99 | thx |
| 21:05.31 | tacocat | those are different mirrors you can use |
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| 21:05.35 | WormFood | zinx, just an OR of the data would do the trick. |
| 21:05.58 | jenrexxer | LOL: "Don't want your neighborhood enriched by these guys? Then you're a racist. You should be locked up for your hate." https://twitter.com/RadioRenegades/status/775023571290783745/photo/1 |
| 21:06.01 | jenrexxer | Thanks Jews! |
| 21:06.04 | WormFood | now...how to logically OR two files...anyone have any ideas? |
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| 21:07.24 | zinx | WormFood: bad idea. www.zenthought.org/misc/tmp/simpleprogram.c i have not tested it. |
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| 21:08.45 | jmcnaught | tom99: are you using wheezy? |
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| 21:09.11 | tom99 | mcnaught: a frankendebian. I'm not sure if I want to install jessie on my hard drive or virtual machine yet |
| 21:09.50 | jmcnaught | tom99: so you use the mostly unsupported older version instead? |
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| 21:10.09 | jmcnaught | !ops jenrexxer racist spam in -offtopic also |
| 21:10.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: jenrexxer racist spam in -offtopic also |
| 21:10.11 | jenrexxer | Honestly, I love Jew supremacists and think they do a pretty good job running the world. |
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| 21:10.33 | tom99 | jmcnaught: it's my old install I'm using a little to learn about linux |
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| 21:10.43 | WormFood | zinx, why do you think it'd be a bad idea? |
| 21:10.44 | chicognu | /usr/src/linux-headers-3.16.0-4-common/Makefile:647: Cannot use CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR: -fstack-protector not supported by compiler |
| 21:10.45 | chicognu | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.01 | tom99 | Apparently I don't even have systemd either! |
| 21:11.03 | zinx | WormFood: in case the non-zero bytes are different (this is a bad hard drive.. i've seen it :X ) |
| 21:11.21 | WormFood | zinx, it's not a bad hard drive, I was just using that as an example. |
| 21:11.30 | zinx | WormFood: oh, well then |
| 21:11.39 | jmcnaught | tom99: systemd was available as a "tech preview" in wheezy, but it was a fairly early version. In jessie it is the default init (but others are available) |
| 21:12.14 | zinx | WormFood: i'm sure there's a perl one-liner |
| 21:12.23 | tom99 | jmcnaught: cool. i want to learn a little more from that debian handbook before I try something like sid though |
| 21:12.25 | WormFood | actually, I'm trying to download a file on bittorrent. I found several partial torrents, and I'm wondering if there are enough pieces between those multiple torrents, to get a complete file. It's nothing important, just curious. |
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| 21:12.51 | zinx | WormFood: most torrent programs can check the actual data to see how much is correct |
| 21:12.59 | zinx | WormFood: and download only the needed parts |
| 21:13.03 | WormFood | zinx, I'm a torrent expert. |
| 21:13.12 | jmcnaught | tom99: don't skip jessie and go right to sid |
| 21:13.14 | WormFood | I've already fixed several partial torrents. |
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| 21:13.41 | tom99 | I also want to compile a graphics heavy application for testing, not gameplay. I wonder if virtual machine work or if I need to install jessie directly |
| 21:13.49 | tom99 | kk |
| 21:13.58 | Erfan | hi :) is there a way to modify the hash value defined for cryptsetup in debian installer? |
| 21:14.06 | tom99 | like i don't need framerate or anything, so i think compiling in a virtual machine might work |
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| 21:14.55 | zinx | tom99: if it uses opengl/egl/vulkan acceleration, you may have trouble setting it up to work at a reasonable speed inside a VM |
| 21:15.14 | zinx | tom99: reasonable meaning you may not even be able to test it. |
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| 21:17.34 | iKarith | Hi all, I need to run update-initramfs from my system inside a chroot. The installer's rescue mode gets as confused as hell with my system (it can't handle mapper layers), so I need to do it by hand. But I think I'm mounting the Linux everything-is-a-filesystem filesystems wrong because after I bind /dev, mount proc and sys, suddenly it's telling me it can't access /dev/null amongst other things. |
| 21:17.47 | iKarith | Like, outside the chroot. |
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| 21:19.22 | iKarith | is there somewhere the correct incantation for mounting everything for mounting essentially /target in the installer environment (or another Linux installation) for doing this kind of thing? |
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| 21:20.05 | zinx | for that particular purpose, you should be able to just bind mount everything |
| 21:20.27 | zinx | but that's not a very general solution, and some container setup could potentially make that not work right |
| 21:21.21 | iKarith | zinx: Long time no type :) |
| 21:22.01 | tom99 | Currently there are two tools in Debian capable of generating an initramfs: update-initramfs provided by initramfs-tools (default) and dracut-update-initramfs provided by the dracut package (experimental) |
| 21:22.05 | zinx | so long i had to whois you and see the account name :P |
| 21:23.49 | iKarith | zinx: The setup I have is one that should be common (if it weren't such a PITA to set up): /, /boot, EFI ESP, and a swap partition. ...only / uses lvmcache with a SSD and / and swap are encrypted with luks. |
| 21:23.57 | lindylex | I am trying to setup mpd. But I am runing into this problem. Something is listening on the port already. Why and how do I stop it? >> tcp6 0 0 :::6600 :::* LISTEN - |
| 21:25.07 | iKarith | zinx: I made the mistake of trying to use a keyscript to make it so I didn't have to type a password for swap. |
| 21:26.11 | iKarith | that broke it, and I need new initramfs's to fix it. |
| 21:27.10 | tom99 | jmcnaught: is this not an official resource? there is no "kernel handbook" at the link for debian manuals |
| 21:27.11 | tom99 | http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/index.html |
| 21:27.19 | zinx | iKarith: erh, you can have cryptsetup generate a random key for swap |
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| 21:27.52 | jmcnaught | tom99: i don't understand, but resources on debian.org can generally be trusted, sometimes you want to check the date though |
| 21:28.31 | zinx | iKarith: you won't be able to suspend to disk if it's on a laptop, though (suspend to ram is fine) |
| 21:29.10 | tom99 | oh ok. it seem to be some guide to compiling the kernel with debian specifically |
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| 21:30.07 | zinx | lindylex: if you run netstat as root with the same arguments, it will tell you which program has the port open |
| 21:30.15 | lindylex | ok |
| 21:30.23 | tom99 | But I see that the official debian handbook thing also has kernel compiling guide as well |
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| 21:31.29 | iKarith | zinx: you should be able to use /lib/cryptsetup/decrypt_derived on your rootfs. |
| 21:31.34 | iKarith | that's just not working for me. |
| 21:32.30 | lindylex | zinx: This is what I get tcp6 0 0 :::6600 :::* LISTEN 1/init |
| 21:33.16 | zinx | lindylex: check /etc/inittab |
| 21:33.50 | zinx | lindylex: though that seems rather odd :/ |
| 21:34.08 | lindylex | that directory or file does not exist. |
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| 21:34.41 | zinx | lindylex: erh, well, /etc/init*/ then |
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| 21:35.53 | lindylex | zinx: what am I searching for? |
| 21:36.18 | zinx | lindylex: 6600 i guess |
| 21:37.27 | zinx | lindylex: looks like /lib/systemd/system/*.socket is more relevant |
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| 21:38.15 | zinx | frikken systemd :X |
| 21:38.18 | lindylex | That is interesting. I never knew that |
| 21:38.26 | zinx | lindylex: me either! |
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| 21:40.52 | lindylex | This is starnge I have no mpd startup script how is it initialized? |
| 21:41.08 | lindylex | ls /etc/rc*.d | grep mpd yields nothing |
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| 21:41.56 | jmcnaught | lindylex: /lib/systemd/system/mpd.socket and /lib/systemd/system/mpd.service |
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| 21:43.29 | lindylex | jmcnaught: Is it same for me to delete them? |
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| 21:44.50 | lindylex | safe |
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| 21:45.50 | jmcnaught | lindylex: no don't do that |
| 21:45.55 | lindylex | ok |
| 21:45.56 | naptastic | If I rebuild a package from upstream, how would I specify flags to the compiler? (Specifically, I want to recompile the GCC with -march=native -mtune=native.) |
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| 21:46.00 | jmcnaught | lindylex: disable or mask them |
| 21:46.24 | lindylex | How do I dissable them? They are stopping my init script from working. |
| 21:47.07 | lindylex | one sec I think I know how. |
| 21:47.33 | lindylex | Like this systemctl disable mpd.service |
| 21:47.37 | tom99 | is /lib/cryptsetup only available on jessie and up? |
| 21:47.47 | tom99 | my wheezy machine doesn't have it |
| 21:48.01 | jmcnaught | lindylex: are you trying to use the init script /etc/init.d/mpd? on a systemd system that would be ignored for the service unit. It's possible however that the service unit actually invokes that script though (i haven't looked at it) |
| 21:48.39 | jmcnaught | lindylex: systemd is backwards compatible with LSB init scripts, but when service units exist it will use those. so "systemctl disable mpd" will also stop the init script from running. |
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| 21:49.48 | lindylex | So using my mpd script in init.d is not going to work? |
| 21:50.13 | alias_neo|AFK | jim: Just getting that build log, it looks like somehow the code for dnscrypt was modified a while back to switch from a static linked libsodium to an external dynamic one, I can't find the change on their github though |
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| 21:51.16 | mtcj | alias_neo: please turn that off |
| 21:51.40 | alias_neo | mtcj: turn what off? |
| 21:51.46 | jmcnaught | lindylex: why not use the native systemd units? |
| 21:51.52 | naptastic | alias_neo, the automatic /nick changing |
| 21:51.58 | alias_neo | it wasn't automatic :P |
| 21:52.03 | naptastic | oh |
| 21:52.22 | lindylex | I would if I knew how they were created. |
| 21:52.27 | jim | alias_neo, do you have a reason born out of your own want to turn dynamic linking off? |
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| 21:52.37 | jmcnaught | lindylex: i don't use mpd, but it looks like the Debian maintainer (or someone) has provided a socket unit for MPD so that systemd will listen for connections and launch mpd when something tries to connect to it. |
| 21:52.50 | alias_neo | jim: well, it would be nice to only have to deploy a single binary |
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| 21:52.59 | jim | ok |
| 21:53.04 | alias_neo | and since the system doesn't have libsodium in the debian repos, I'd have to install the libs too |
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| 21:53.19 | jmcnaught | lindylex: they're very easy, in INI format instead of scripts. "man systemd.unit" is a good place to start |
| 21:53.19 | jim | you mean rather than deploying the two libs and the binary |
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| 21:53.21 | naptastic | because coreutils should be statically linked, as @DEITY intended??? ;) |
| 21:53.26 | mtcj | alias_neo' you can use the command /away to indicate you are currently unavailable, and it won't show up in the channels you're in. Just in whois and maybe when someone sends you a PM |
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| 21:53.28 | alias_neo | jim: yes |
| 21:53.58 | alias_neo | mtcj: Thanks. It's been a decade or so since I used IRC in anger. |
| 21:54.33 | alias_neo | nick change was teh norm back then ;) |
| 21:55.18 | alias_neo | jim: http://termbin.com/l0yd |
| 21:55.46 | alias_neo | I can see quite clearly that it is insisting on linking the .so |
| 21:56.07 | jim | this is with the libs not enabling shared? |
| 21:56.21 | alias_neo | This is after I just deleted the shared |
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| 21:56.37 | alias_neo | the error when shared was tehre was "trying to statically link dynamic object" |
| 21:56.48 | mtcj | alias_neo: the library it's dynamically linked to isn't in Debian repos, that's kind of interesting. Does the maintainer include it or something instead? |
| 21:57.24 | jim | so, whjat I think I hear you saying, is you built the two libs, then deleted the shared libs? |
| 21:57.26 | alias_neo | mtcj: I'm tryting to build it. I already build libsodium, but I removed the dynamic library because I wish to link it statically |
| 21:57.33 | alias_neo | jim: Yes. |
| 21:57.42 | alias_neo | jim: After testing it with the shared libs and also failing |
| 21:57.44 | mtcj | Ah OK I think I understand that part now. |
| 21:58.07 | alias_neo | If I compile everything dynamic, and dynmically link, it works, but it doesn't suit my requirement |
| 21:58.45 | mtcj | Can I ask again why you want it static? Not judging just curious. |
| 21:59.05 | alias_neo | I only, want to deploy a single binary, and also security |
| 21:59.37 | jim | ok, so you do have a build that does work, the executable works under the "shared" lib thing... is that part right? |
| 21:59.47 | alias_neo | correct |
| 21:59.53 | jim | ok |
| 22:00.01 | tom99 | alias_neo are you building for a specific debian version? sid? jessie? |
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| 22:00.07 | alias_neo | wheezy |
| 22:00.35 | tom99 | well i'd like to help you but my wheezy is corrupt with weird packages. maybe i should just reinstall and have wheezy, jessie, and sid side by side |
| 22:00.40 | alias_neo | specifically I'm building this: https://github.com/jedisct1/dnscrypt-proxy/releases/tag/1.7.0 |
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| 22:00.43 | mtcj | OK. And you want to figure out when that static to dynamic change occurred to see if you can undo it? |
| 22:01.10 | alias_neo | mtcj: Precisely |
| 22:01.46 | alias_neo | mtcj: Their changelog mentions when it happens, but the "change" number doesn't relate to any commits that I can see, and a github search didn't turn up what I was after |
| 22:01.52 | jim | so, it -could- be that deleting the shared libs is "the wrong thing to do" because (somehow) the things that use the lib can see how it was built (aka with shared) but the file is missing (since you deleted it |
| 22:02.05 | mtcj | OK I'll look through change logs and conmits too. Ping me if you think something is said I might need to know |
| 22:02.29 | mtcj | What change log was the change mentioned? |
| 22:02.44 | alias_neo | jim: It's possible, but I have suspeicions from my experiementation that it's more dumb than that and just dynamically links |
| 22:03.20 | jim | (however, it looks like before you tried to build just the static part of the libs, and did that with the ./configure invocation, which didn't work) |
| 22:03.49 | alias_neo | Yes |
| 22:04.04 | alias_neo | I've tried all combinations of just static, just dynamic (works) and both |
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| 22:04.18 | alias_neo | mtcj: Just trying to find it, one moment |
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| 22:05.10 | alias_neo | mtcj: ChangeLog line 4961 |
| 22:05.58 | jim | what if you try this: build the libs with --disable-shared, but build the app without specifying static? (my theory for this case, is it will dynamically link to libs -other- than these two, and link statically to the two libs) |
| 22:06.05 | alias_neo | mtcj: I was grepping originally which is why I didn't see the date, now atleast I now how far to loook |
| 22:06.20 | alias_neo | jim: Let me try that then |
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| 22:07.27 | jim | this will require that you install the other libs (not sure which ones they are without looking at ldd output) on the target |
| 22:07.35 | jim | are you trying to package this/ |
| 22:07.39 | jim | ? |
| 22:07.40 | mtcj | It looks like NEWS line 80ish talks about it too |
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| 22:08.17 | alias_neo | jim: I'm not too worried about packaging it, I just need to be able to install it on the target manually or otherwise |
| 22:09.04 | alias_neo | Preferrably all libs would be statically linked and I have a single binary to deploy |
| 22:09.12 | alias_neo | make scripting easier for any future install |
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| 22:11.05 | alias_neo | Notice how Android is statically linked in the dist-build dir, so it must be possible |
| 22:12.53 | jim | alias_neo, I was just wondering... because if I recall correctly the debian package build process will look at the binary to determine which libs are being dynamically linked to, and add those libs to the dependency list in the metadata for the package |
| 22:13.26 | alias_neo | I see |
| 22:13.35 | jim | hm, the target is a phone? |
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| 22:13.55 | alias_neo | Mine, now. But it _can_ target a phone |
| 22:13.58 | alias_neo | no* |
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| 22:14.31 | alias_neo | my target is a mips64 edge router |
| 22:15.41 | iKarith | zinx: binding everything worked to let me run update-initramfs, but failed to allow me to actually y'know reboot the system *sigh* Any suggestions for making it work when I inevitably reinstall again? |
| 22:17.05 | alias_neo | this, for example, is static: https://github.com/jedisct1/dnscrypt-proxy/blob/master/dist-build/mipsel-linux-static.sh |
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| 22:17.18 | alias_neo | (but is a cross-compile) |
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| 22:18.23 | iKarith | could really use a KVM *sigh* :) |
| 22:19.04 | iKarith | At least a USB switch. The monitor can handle its part well enough |
| 22:20.52 | mtcj | alias_neo: have you grepped the build log for static and shared? Just spitballing |
| 22:21.26 | alias_neo | yeah. nothing in there. but I see a full path to the shared object |
| 22:21.28 | mtcj | On their build logs I see ocassional mentions |
| 22:21.37 | mtcj | But nothing that stood out |
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| 22:24.32 | lindylex | jmcnaught: should I edit /lib/systemd/system/mpd.service directly? |
| 22:24.52 | alias_neo | I see nothing on May 26th commit either related to this |
| 22:24.59 | alias_neo | sodium |
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| 22:25.28 | torvaldi | hello |
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| 22:30.50 | mtcj | Hey uh |
| 22:31.39 | mtcj | Did you run ldconfig after removing the shared libsodium? |
| 22:32.02 | mtcj | alias_neo |
| 22:32.52 | alias_neo | ... ehr..no :'( |
| 22:32.58 | alias_neo | totally forgot |
| 22:33.18 | mtcj | Good luck maybe that's it |
| 22:33.27 | alias_neo | luckily it just finished building libsodium with --disable-shared as jim suggested, so i'll try it now |
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| 22:35.13 | jim | alias_neo, it -might- be better than just removing something |
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| 22:36.18 | alias_neo | jim: Agreed, my ham-fisted approach was probably not the best |
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| 22:40.37 | alias_neo | OK, assuming I fail to build this statically, how do I go about packing libsodium to deploy to the same device? |
| 22:40.42 | alias_neo | (the dynamic lib) |
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| 22:42.44 | mtcj | https://github.com/lancethepants/dnscrypt-mipsel-static/blob/master/dnscrypt.sh shows some more detail about building it using static libsodium too |
| 22:43.13 | jim | is the target a debian (or debian deriv using the same package format)? |
| 22:43.38 | alias_neo | debian wheezy |
| 22:43.42 | alias_neo | same as the build machine |
| 22:43.45 | alias_neo | and same arch |
| 22:43.51 | jim | ok |
| 22:43.59 | alias_neo | my build machine is a vm I created to (hopefully) make this simpler |
| 22:44.23 | alias_neo | mtcj: I see that, I might need to pull that and mod it a bit and give it ago |
| 22:44.43 | jim | packaging libs is involved, if I recall correctly |
| 22:44.54 | alias_neo | jim :( |
| 22:45.09 | alias_neo | Can I just take the .a and .la and put them in /usr/local/lib and be done? |
| 22:45.52 | jim | you could try a first cut to see if it works for your app... also, there could be future issues involving the building of other things that link against the lib being packaged |
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| 22:46.17 | alias_neo | jim: Makes sense |
| 22:46.32 | jim | the .a libs are libs you -build- with |
| 22:46.46 | alias_neo | mtcj: It appears that script will not work, because the gcc compiler on my VM doesn't support "-static" for some reason |
| 22:46.53 | jim | one implication of this, is that .h headers are involved |
| 22:47.21 | mtcj | alias_neo: It looks like neither does theirs looking at their build logs |
| 22:47.28 | alias_neo | mtcj ha |
| 22:48.09 | alias_neo | ok, how about a different approach? sid has libsodium, is there any way to get a compatible version on wheezy? |
| 22:48.19 | jim | static building of this particular thing is looking more and more like a research question |
| 22:48.54 | alias_neo | jim: sadly yet, and I was hoping to spend my sunday learning to use it rather than learning to build it :( |
| 22:48.59 | jim | alias_neo, you can try a "simple sid backport" |
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| 22:49.53 | jim | I didn't know the lib was in debian until this moment... you should try a simple sid backport |
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| 22:50.31 | jim | I'll try talking you through it |
| 22:50.47 | alias_neo | jim: grea thanks |
| 22:50.51 | jim | first, you need deb-src lines for sid |
| 22:50.54 | mtcj | Maybe static build needs to use the static gcc or an option passed to ld |
| 22:51.03 | mtcj | But not right now |
| 22:51.41 | alias_neo | woah, hold on! |
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| 22:51.44 | alias_neo | it build |
| 22:51.52 | alias_neo | !! |
| 22:51.52 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 22:51.53 | jim | it did? |
| 22:52.00 | mtcj | Just after ldconfig? |
| 22:52.03 | alias_neo | yeah, so I build libsodium with --disable-shared |
| 22:52.05 | jim | dpkg, :P |
| 22:52.05 | dpkg | well, p is 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton |
| 22:52.10 | mtcj | Ok |
| 22:52.13 | alias_neo | configured dnscrypt with --disable-shared --enable-static |
| 22:52.23 | mtcj | Wao |
| 22:52.27 | alias_neo | now if I run ldd on the binary there is no libsodium |
| 22:52.36 | jim | I thought yu did that :) |
| 22:52.44 | jim | but, good :) |
| 22:52.46 | alias_neo | mtcj reminded me of a simple step i forgot... |
| 22:52.55 | alias_neo | *cough*ldconfig*cough* |
| 22:53.04 | jim | ohh |
| 22:53.17 | mtcj | Makes sense, enable sounds optional, disable sounds mandatory |
| 22:53.23 | alias_neo | slaps himself across the head |
| 22:53.32 | jim | which makes symlinks so that the lib files can be found |
| 22:53.54 | alias_neo | ok, proof in the pudding, lets see if it executes on the target |
| 22:54.15 | jim | which would be in the eating |
| 22:55.19 | alias_neo | hmm, so target is missing glibc apparently |
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| 22:56.04 | alias_neo | Ah, the target has 2.13 and my binary needs 2.15 |
| 22:56.17 | alias_neo | darn |
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| 22:57.07 | mtcj | All of the nop that was ever made |
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| 22:57.36 | kroSoft | hi all |
| 22:58.04 | mtcj | Hmm Jessie has 2.19 |
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| 22:58.50 | mtcj | I know that's not necessarily a solution |
| 22:59.19 | alias_neo | Odd |
| 23:01.20 | alias_neo | Ok, it runs with upgraded libc6 (glibc-2.19) |
| 23:01.27 | alias_neo | I@m not sure if that could have broken something else though |
| 23:02.36 | USER247 | hi peoples |
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| 23:06.00 | USER247 | I recently discovered a new issue, I am unable to adjust screen brightness, kern.log displays the following Sep 11 18:51:18 debianX250 gnome-settings-[4111]: Failed to set new screen percentage: Timeout was reached |
| 23:06.01 | USER247 | Sep 11 18:51:18 debianX250 gnome-settings-[4111]: Failed to set new screen percentage: Timeout was reached |
| 23:06.57 | USER247 | where should I look next to troubleshoot this issue. I am using debian jessie with gnome wayland session |
| 23:07.05 | mtcj | alias_neo: it's not guaranteed that having two versions will break stuff. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/847179/multiple-glibc-libraries-on-a-single-host |
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| 23:07.26 | mtcj | So if you have issues you can always try an approach with multiple versions |
| 23:07.29 | econissi | Greetings. I'm here to investigate the Jew hatred I've been told you've been receiving. |
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| 23:07.51 | alias_neo | mtcj: Yeah, but the line in the output that said "replacing glibc..." worries me a little, then it had to restart a bunch of system services |
| 23:07.56 | bazhang | econissi, no need pleaes stop |
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| 23:08.15 | mtcj | eir: Are you free today? |
| 23:08.27 | econissi | bazhang, All is well? |
| 23:08.37 | bazhang | yes |
| 23:08.57 | econissi | Any more antisemitism and you give the admins over at #freenode a shout. Is that clear? |
| 23:09.23 | bazhang | take it elsewhere please econissi |
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| 23:10.30 | stephanie92 | hey guys, so i'm currently managing 25+ VMs on proxmox and will soon have multiple proxmox servers with 50+ VM's on them (maybe around 100VMs when everything is all said and done). Do you guys recommend a cpanel to control all these VMs? (i.e. just monitoring them, deploying scripts, general automation) |
| 23:10.38 | missmbob | !proxmox |
| 23:10.38 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 23:12.12 | stephanie92 | missmbob: If you're trying to tell me that you can't answer my question because it involves proxmox, i could rewrite the same exact question removing the term proxmox |
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| 23:12.14 | missmbob | stephanie92: i really dont care. it's not supported here |
| 23:12.20 | stephanie92 | missmbob: proxmox is irrelevant, as it is just a virtualization platform |
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| 23:12.26 | alias_neo | mtcj,jim: Thank you both for the assistance, it's my bed time (work in the morning) so I'll get to testing my build tommorrow |
| 23:12.33 | stephanie92 | missmbob: Did you even read my question? It really has nothing to do with Proxmox |
| 23:12.43 | stephanie92 | missmbob: it's more about managing a bunch of debian VMs |
| 23:12.57 | USER247 | how about you try the channel suggested you may get a better answer there |
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| 23:13.14 | jim | ok, hope it works out |
| 23:13.14 | stephanie92 | USER247: I will re-word the question, 1 second |
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| 23:13.21 | alias_neo | thanks, take care |
| 23:14.29 | mtcj | stephanie92: I think the CPanel part of your question will also lead to off topic objections too. |
| 23:15.02 | stephanie92 | Hi guys, I'm currently managing 25+ remote Debian VPS'. Soon I will have around 50-100 Debian VPS's i'll be managing. Can you guys recommend a good automation platform? |
| 23:15.27 | mtcj | And even "do you recommend a control system" is probably going to. It's not a bad question, just not relevant to Debian. |
| 23:15.53 | mtcj | Unless it was specific to an issue Debian has with a system. |
| 23:16.07 | stephanie92 | mtcj: Meh, well there are plenty of control systems, just not sure if any of you guys are in a similar situation as many people here are linux admins |
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| 23:16.23 | stephanie92 | so i figured i'd pick the channels brain. |
| 23:16.28 | USER247 | Hi all I am running debian Jessie with gnome how where can I look to next to troubleshoot this screen brightness issue. Sep 11 18:51:18 debianX250 gnome-settings-[4111]: Failed to set new screen percentage: Timeout was reached |
| 23:16.29 | stephanie92 | just a general question, not looking for support |
| 23:17.03 | mtcj | The point is people gather here out of a desire to discuss Debian related stuff. |
| 23:17.27 | mtcj | It's like being at a wedding party and talking everyone up about your new job. |
| 23:17.31 | stephanie92 | mtcj: I've been using this channel for years and I see topics way further off than the one i just brought up. But thanks/ |
| 23:17.48 | mtcj | Not a bad think to discuss, just not the right time and place. |
| 23:18.11 | jim | stephanie92, just so you know, this is pretty mucch a fight that... (1) you can't win here and (2) has been tried many times over the years... one part is, as proxmox isn't debian (but is based thereon), there could be thousands of changes from being debian itself, rendering any answers you might get here to be taken with a grain of salt |
| 23:18.22 | stephanie92 | omg |
| 23:18.28 | stephanie92 | my question had nothing to do with fucking proxmox |
| 23:18.32 | stephanie92 | good bye |
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| 23:18.54 | USER247 | fbombs |
| 23:19.02 | mtn | heh |
| 23:19.11 | jim | I guess those are ok here |
| 23:19.22 | USER247 | ha |
| 23:19.38 | surfist | and I have nine billion, yeah, that's the ticket, vms running |
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| 23:20.33 | jim | you have 9 billion tickets?! you better pay em! |
| 23:20.50 | surfist | but they are support tickets |
| 23:21.12 | mtcj | USER247: is the goal constant brightness setting or a inactivity dimming type thing? |
| 23:22.33 | USER247 | constant brightness setting |
| 23:23.16 | USER247 | brightness controls were working, I am trying to track down what package that I updated that has caused this function to break |
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| 23:23.43 | mtcj | Ok |
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| 23:26.41 | Cliff-West | Does anyone know which version of kernel will be in the 8.6 Jessie update? |
| 23:27.17 | missmbob | 3.16 |
| 23:28.17 | Cliff-West | Ah.. thanks - still no new kernel update until the next release I guess |
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| 23:28.54 | missmbob | stretch will likely be 4.8 if you care |
| 23:29.09 | Cliff-West | Yes, actually needed 4.8 :) |
| 23:29.18 | Cliff-West | For denverton cpu support |
| 23:29.23 | missmbob | typo i meant 4.9. but that should work for you |
| 23:29.27 | USER247 | stretch currently is @ 4.6 |
| 23:29.32 | missmbob | i know |
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| 23:29.41 | missmbob | waiting for next kernel LTS |
| 23:30.21 | mtcj | Should use 3.18 instead :p |
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