00:00.10 | FuriousGeorge | i'm new to debian. is there anything running in userland that might be monitoring my usb ports and creating a conflict? |
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00:08.28 | MrHatter | I have a debian Jessie box, with an external hard drive that I just formatted with ext4, when I try to mount it, this happens : mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4' |
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00:48.32 | nymeven | Doesn't work :( |
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01:05.26 | awal1 | nymeven, how you formated it? cli/gui? |
01:05.41 | awal1 | debian |
01:05.54 | nymeven | formated? |
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01:06.19 | awal1 | formatted ^ |
01:06.56 | nymeven | uh (google translate English -> French in progress) |
01:07.16 | nymeven | how i've installed it? |
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01:09.00 | nymeven | I've used a Net-Install to have Debian testing with kde |
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01:13.35 | awal1 | nymeven, if you need help ask in room, no pm's, thanks |
01:13.57 | nymeven | ok |
01:14.43 | ssid98 | any luck |
01:14.49 | ssid98 | with the panel |
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01:15.39 | nymeven | :/ |
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01:16.35 | ssid98 | ok bye |
01:16.36 | ssid98 | exit |
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01:17.02 | Ghostbird | How can I prevent the system from trying to act when I plug-in a USB device? |
01:17.32 | Ghostbird | I have a bricked LG phone that I need to flash from a Windows VM, but by default Debian does "something" that makes download mode fail. |
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01:18.25 | awal1 | Ghostbird, almost all DE and some WM have a feature for manage external hard drives, check in system settings |
01:18.49 | awal1 | or in settings of the file manager you run |
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01:19.40 | Ghostbird | The thing doesn't actually show up as mounted though (of course it cannot be mounted, it's a bricked phone) |
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01:20.04 | Ghostbird | So the normal auto-mount settings menu doesn't even show it. |
01:20.06 | awal1 | external hard drives or any external stuff plugged in (external media/devices, I mean) ^ |
01:24.37 | awal1 | When I use only a window manager, external media/devices are auto mounted here via gvfs-backends pkg |
01:24.54 | awal1 | auto maunted in my file managers |
01:25.55 | Ghostbird | Yeah, but even removing the gvfs-backends wasn't enough to solve this problem. |
01:26.23 | Ghostbird | It then just complains that it cannot execute the gvfs backend, but still messes up the phone. |
01:26.40 | frostschutz | Ghostbird, usually it starts with udev triggering things so you could disable some udev rules |
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01:27.01 | Ghostbird | frostschutz: I looked into that, but I couldn't find any rules that seemed applicable |
01:27.42 | nymeven | Is Kde 4 or Plasma 5 on Debian stable? |
01:29.10 | Ghostbird | frostschutz: I only have the persistent net rules and a series of rules for DMX controllers. |
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01:29.36 | ZeuxBlack | is back from: $null - was away for: 2428wks 29mins 30secs |
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01:30.21 | orlock | ZeuxBlack: Impressive time machine! |
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01:30.37 | orlock | 46 and a half years.. |
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03:07.45 | levinster82 | hello people |
03:07.54 | up2late | hail |
03:08.46 | levinster82 | anybody out there running wayland gnome? |
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04:06.15 | gnikc2 | So, I've recently installed jessie on a previously *buntu device. Back then, I could ssh into the machine and burn discs using cdw just fine. Now, for some reason, the drive isn't detected if cdw is started over ssh. |
04:06.20 | gnikc2 | What setting could cause that? |
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04:39.05 | MrHatter | I have a debian Jessie box, with an external hard drive that I just formatted with ext4, when I try to mount it, this happens : mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4' - any ideas why ? |
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04:53.55 | veek | anyone use a password store |
04:54.08 | veek | what's a good one with support for otp lists |
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05:05.18 | nevyn | mooltipass ? |
05:05.25 | nevyn | veek: ^^ |
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05:13.16 | veek | oo thanks nevyn |
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05:16.53 | hiexpo | hi all |
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05:34.01 | FaTony | hi, the Fluid GM soundfont is installed in /usr/share/sounds/sf2, is this directory layout standardized somewhere? I want to organize my soundfonts |
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05:36.56 | nevyn | veek: I dunno about otp tho |
05:37.22 | nevyn | veek: there was talk about having a firmware do the openauth pin stuff.. |
05:37.44 | nevyn | but they screwed that up by not shifting from avr to a decent arm micro for the implementation |
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05:43.03 | veek | nevyn, yeah that tool's expensive too and i'm not sure it's secure from a keylogger |
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05:43.57 | veek | nevyn, anyway i was dead keen on otp auth.. trouble is most apps keypassx etc just have a single master unlock and then copy the pass to clipboard |
05:44.03 | veek | which is ridiculous |
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05:44.30 | veek | i wanted something with a master that spits out the otp value |
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05:55.36 | mms_ | I know how to use sar command for stat and can filter for start and end time but can we span the time over dates report stats for week in same file and then open it in ksar ? |
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07:06.24 | nevyn | veek: oh it's totally not secure from a keylogger... |
07:06.26 | nevyn | but what is? |
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07:13.22 | veek | nevyn, well what if you could hardcode a path and when you plug in the usb, the firefox plugin decrypts just its db record for the passwd |
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07:14.14 | veek | right now, if i lose the master pass - i hand over all my records |
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07:15.03 | nevyn | the firefox plugin doesn't decript anything. |
07:15.04 | veek | additionally the auth could be a screen image vs actualy typing |
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07:16.25 | nevyn | veek: same is true of multipass kinda |
07:16.41 | nevyn | you'd need the smartcard, device and the pin |
07:16.49 | nevyn | which is a bit better tho |
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07:23.13 | nas | somiaj: I want to install debian on Thinkpad T410 |
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07:35.54 | jasabella | hello :) |
07:36.50 | jasabella | i've blacklisted a package from installing (setting pin priority to -1) and am now trying to install a package which depends on it, how do i force apt to proceed? |
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07:40.33 | jasabella | i would like the other dependencies to be installed |
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07:42.06 | babilen | You can't install that package if one of its dependencies is blacklisted. You can, naturally, install the rest of the dependencies explicitly though |
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07:46.15 | tato | Does anyone know what command will synchronize the time and date with server ? |
07:46.30 | tato | please |
07:46.52 | petn-randall | tato: You can install one of the many ntp clients available. |
07:48.09 | koollman | apt-get install ntp , usually works :) |
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07:49.30 | tato | petn-randall, my problem is that after upgrade and autoremove when i reboot my time suddenly goes back 2 months and i have no where option to change it i can not even google anything coz of the certificates . so i must try to do it on console |
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07:50.13 | tato | ntp is in newest vesion |
07:50.22 | detha | tato: sudo ntpdate -u pool.ntp.org |
07:50.36 | detha | (if you have ntpdate at hand) |
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07:50.55 | petn-randall | tato: What does 'ntpq -p' give you? Can you paste the output to http://paste.debian.net? |
07:51.01 | tato | ntpdate -u pool.ntp.org |
07:51.01 | tato | bash: ntpdate: command not found |
07:51.36 | tato | ntpq -p |
07:51.36 | tato | ntpq: read: Connection refused |
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07:51.45 | petn-randall | tato: Are you doing that as root? |
07:51.53 | tato | yes |
07:52.02 | detha | is ntpd running in the first place? |
07:52.11 | tato | not sure |
07:52.39 | detha | /etc/init.d/ntp status |
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07:53.11 | tato | ntp.service - LSB: Start NTP daemon |
07:53.11 | tato | <PROTECTED> |
07:53.12 | tato | <PROTECTED> |
07:53.12 | tato | <PROTECTED> |
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07:53.18 | jasabella | thx everyone :) |
07:53.26 | KindOne | I /think/ my drive is going bad... It went into full read only mode a few hours ago without telling me. Can't mount flash drives. Can't open browsers, scream about drive being in read only... Any sane way to create a tmpfs so I can point everything to use that while I figure stuff out? |
07:53.34 | x4u3n | jul 14 09:52:38 WELLNESS-1007 kernel: ERROR @wl_cfg80211_scan : WLC_SCAN error (-22) |
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07:54.06 | petn-randall | KindOne: I would waste your time with that. Check 'dmesg | less' why it was mounted read-only. |
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07:55.54 | tato | sorry for that |
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07:56.06 | babilen | No problem. Please use a pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net next time :) |
07:56.10 | KindOne | petn-randall: looks like I/O errors... |
07:56.24 | tato | i can not open any web |
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07:57.10 | tato | certificate problem coz of the wrong date and time |
07:57.42 | babilen | You can run "<command> | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us" to paste to sprunge.us |
07:57.50 | KindOne | who? |
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07:58.17 | babilen | KindOne: It's not restricted to specific users |
07:58.24 | tato | ..hm ill try :) i am new user so.... |
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07:59.34 | tato | so what command will fix the ntp problem ? please |
07:59.38 | petn-randall | KindOne: Can you paste those relevant lines from dmesg? See the message above. |
07:59.40 | bezaban | babilen: | pastebinit :) |
08:00.10 | petn-randall | bezaban: KindOne has currently a read-only filesystem, no dice installing it :) |
08:00.19 | bezaban | petn-randall: good point |
08:00.39 | bezaban | is smartctl installed? |
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08:01.25 | bezaban | smartmontools* |
08:01.30 | babilen | tato: Maybe set the date manually to begin with? Something like "date --set 2016-07-14" and "date --set 09:01:15" (Adjust to your time and date) |
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08:02.30 | babilen | tato: I'd still like to see the output of "systemctl status ntp" .. You could run "systemctl status ntp|curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us" to paste it to sprunge and give us the URL |
08:03.22 | tato | http://sprunge.us/XKNJ |
08:03.52 | KindOne | petn-randall: The drive is a 4+ years old with 3+ years total uptime. kinda looks like its going bad. |
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08:04.12 | tato | well the date --set works |
08:04.38 | KindOne | All I want to do is create a tmpfs or something in the RAM, so i can point a btsync and a few other things to use that so I can backup my data to another machine on the lan... |
08:04.41 | petn-randall | KindOne: Do you have backups? |
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08:06.32 | tato | babilen, http://sprunge.us/XKNJ |
08:06.34 | KindOne | Outdated by a month or so |
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08:07.04 | petn-randall | KindOne: In that case I'd take the machine offline, boot a live image, check the disk with smartctl, and then salvage what you can from the disk. |
08:07.32 | petn-randall | KindOne: No point in running a system from that disk which might crash at any point in time when it fails to read/write from the faulty disk. |
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08:10.49 | babilen | tato: Try "systemctl enable ntp" and "systemctl start ntp" |
08:11.06 | KindOne | petn-randall: I'm not turning this machine off. Not in the mood for the disk not spinning up then playing a game of frozen harddrive. |
08:11.07 | tato | babilen, ok thx a lot |
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08:12.07 | petn-randall | KindOne: In that case your options are very limited. Do you have smartctl available? If yes, can you show us the output of 'smartctl -a /dev/<yourdrive>'? |
08:13.01 | tato | babilen, http://pastebin.com/zw6hMBqZ |
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08:14.04 | tato | babilen, many warnings there |
08:14.05 | petn-randall | KindOne: You can create a tmpfs with 'mount -t tmpfs -o size=[number here]m tmpfs /your/path'. |
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08:15.40 | petn-randall | KindOne: But you'll still be risking of thrashing your HDD while running from it. I wouldn't run off that HDD anymore, but it's your call. |
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08:16.45 | Occire | Debian, je t'aime <3 |
08:16.52 | babilen | tato: Did you install "secure_trash" from somewhere? |
08:17.45 | tato | yes |
08:17.59 | tato | babilen, yes should i remove it ? |
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08:18.14 | babilen | tato: Where did you install it from? |
08:18.40 | tato | babilen, i am not sure now it was a while ago |
08:19.24 | KindOne | petn-randall: define "/your/path"? |
08:19.36 | babilen | tato: It looks slightly broken or unmaintained, but ntp is running now, isn't it? |
08:19.42 | petn-randall | KindOne: Wherever you want your tmpfs to reside. |
08:20.22 | tato | babilen, yes it does but i am worry thet will run only till i reboot |
08:20.33 | babilen | tato: You enabled it |
08:21.23 | tato | ok i am truing to apt-get purge secure_trash |
08:21.23 | tato | <PROTECTED> |
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08:22.38 | KindOne | petn-randall: "mount: mount point /foobar does not exist" |
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08:24.19 | petn-randall | KindOne: You have to either use a directory that exists, or create one somewhere where you can still write. |
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08:33.42 | tato | babilen, how can i remove the secure trash? |
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08:41.24 | g00se | Can someone please confirm that LVM is not something that has to be chosen at install time and that it can be 'activated' later if needed? |
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08:42.39 | qmr | g00se: false |
08:43.07 | g00se | qmr: Oh dear - so i DO need to choose it at install? |
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08:44.12 | petn-randall | g00se: You can always backup your data, create LVM on the disk, and restore the data again, but that involves many manual steps. |
08:44.21 | petn-randall | g00se: Also, correct. |
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08:46.05 | g00se | Hmm. Then the wiki is rather misleading: sudo apt-get install lvm2. Nowhere prior to that does it mention install time choice |
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08:46.53 | g00se | But thanks folks |
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08:47.16 | petn-randall | g00se: Well, you _can_ install it at any time and start using it. But if you want to use a part of your disk for LVM, you need to make it a PV, and that process is destructive for any data on it. |
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08:48.08 | petn-randall | g00se: Same as if you want to use XFS instead of ext4. You can install the packages at any point in time, but if you want your system to have XFS as root partition, you have to move data around, or do it upon installation. |
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08:49.01 | g00se | Thank |
08:49.03 | g00se | s |
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09:20.14 | babilen | tato: That really depends on how you installed it |
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09:21.19 | babilen | tato: Are you using Kali? |
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09:27.36 | tato | babilen, yes |
09:28.00 | babilen | dpkg: kali |
09:28.01 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
09:28.34 | babilen | tato: And, I guess, you followed https://forums.kali.org/showthread.php?485-How-To-Securely-Sanitize-your-Trash |
09:29.29 | tato | babilen, yes :) |
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09:32.02 | tato | so i can not get help here how to remove it ? |
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09:33.20 | babilen | Nope, we only support Debian in here for a number of technical and social reasons |
09:33.50 | babilen | You want #kali-linux for Kali support. You could, naturally, install Debian and would be most welcome here |
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09:38.35 | KindOne | petn-randall: Thanks. |
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09:39.41 | tato | babilen, thank you . i was looking for Debian but i had problem to make it on usb coud you please provide me link for Debian live that i can install later on ? thx in advance |
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09:40.26 | petn-randall | KindOne: Could you save your data? |
09:40.54 | KindOne | petn-randall: everything looks fine, and the drive will not spin up |
09:41.25 | petn-randall | KindOne: Can you read any SMART data from it? |
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09:41.38 | dka | Is there a way for a bash script to toggle env var ? for example, I want my user to run a command before another, I do 'export myVar=value' ( I have also tried 'set export myVar'), then in the second fn, I do 'unset myVar' but it is not working at all |
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09:44.32 | babilen | tato: I wouldn't install from a live image. Will you have network access during the installation? Is it wired or wireless? |
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09:45.22 | tato | wireless only |
09:45.38 | tato | babilen, ^^ |
09:46.49 | babilen | dpkg: firmware image |
09:46.49 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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09:46.58 | babilen | dpkg: usb install |
09:46.58 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
09:46.59 | KindOne | petn-randall: "SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: FAILED" and a bunch of other stuff |
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09:47.27 | babilen | tato: Essentially boils down to "cp /path/to/debian.iso /dev/sdb" (if /dev/sdb is your USB stick) |
09:48.52 | petn-randall | KindOne: It might not help in this case, but for the future I recommend to set up smartd to constantly monitor your HDD. That way you'll get a notification when the first problem pop up, which might give you a chance to backup before the drive fails. |
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09:51.24 | babilen | tato: Could you run "lspci -nn|grep -i network" and show me the output? Are you planning to install a desktop environment or window manager? |
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09:52.51 | tato | 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection [8086:4229] (rev 61) |
09:53.21 | tato | i am not sure what would better |
09:53.27 | tato | on old laptop |
09:53.31 | tato | babilen, ^^ |
09:54.27 | babilen | tato: That's okay, but you'll need firmware to use that wifi card. That is why I suggested to use the firmware installer image, but that requires you to download packages during the installation |
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09:54.40 | babilen | judd: pciid 8086:4229 |
09:54.41 | judd | [8086:4229] is 'PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwl4965', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata_generic' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4229 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy |
09:55.12 | tato | babilen, i dont think that would be a problem do you ? |
09:55.25 | babilen | No, it shouldn't be |
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09:55.53 | babilen | It's just a little easier to install Debian when you are on ethernet |
09:56.12 | tato | but anyway i am not using that wifi card anyway i am using dungle usb atheros ath9k_htc driver |
09:56.20 | tato | babilen, ^^ |
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09:56.29 | babilen | ah |
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09:56.54 | tato | that is the one that supply my network |
09:57.27 | babilen | Either way, it would hopefully work |
09:57.44 | babilen | Would you have ethernet access just in case it doesn't? |
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09:58.54 | tato | it didnt last time :) thats why i am usink kali even i dont need all that tools :) byt with suse and mint i had problems and kali so far goes ok but yes if some how i could manage the debian install i would go for it :) |
09:59.05 | tato | no |
09:59.22 | tato | <PROTECTED> |
09:59.34 | babilen | And you don't know which desktop environment you'd like to use? |
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10:00.18 | babilen | Debian also provides images with more packages on them, but they don't come with firmware. That means that you would have to download the firmware independently and setup networking after the installation. |
10:00.32 | babilen | I'd try the firmware image and ask in here if that doesn't work for you |
10:01.19 | tato | well the problem is that i am very new linux user and i dont understand yet much |
10:01.57 | dka | Is there a way to tell rsync to copy the content of the source directory instead of the source directory itself? I use the command `rsync -vau ${MOUNT[$IND_A]} ${MOUNT[$IND_B]}` |
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10:02.07 | tako | https://s31.postimg.org/puo8vqy9n/Screenshot_from_2016_07_14_12_58_42.png why i have these packages ? synaptic shows that they are installed locally but i didnt installed these packages |
10:02.26 | dka | I found |
10:03.36 | tato | but yes i would like to install debian since Kali works fine and is based on debian then i assume Debian will be ok for me . a m i right with that statement ? |
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10:16.18 | babilen | tato: I'm sure that Debian will be fine |
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10:18.48 | tato | babilen, ok then :) thanks for your time :) ill try it |
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10:20.50 | babilen | tato: You might just want to install the default desktop environment (gnome) to begin with. Feel free to drop in here when you install it. Would you have a second computer that is online while you install Debian on your machine? |
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10:24.15 | dka | I am checking with -nt operator (newer than) two files. The drive B has copied his file other rsync. but it keep telling me file from B is newer than file from A, They are equal, is there a way to check if they are equal first or can I have the A (latest copied has newest) ? |
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10:27.23 | tato | babilen, no unfortunately :( |
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10:28.29 | babilen | tato: That's tricky |
10:29.59 | unborn | dka: whats the origin? A or B? |
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10:33.06 | DotHack | anyone knows how to map a file with a certain extension to a binary to run it woith? |
10:33.34 | DotHack | for example i have these .acu files that i always want to run with the runcbl binary |
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11:23.27 | manis | Hi. I'm running Debian on an Acer Chromebook 13, trying to het suspend on lid close to work. In the chrubuntu script (http://svn.clifford.at/handicraft/2014/chrbook13/chrubuntu.sh) there is a part about it (99-tegra-lid-switch.rules). Is there a way to find out which gpio is triggered on lid close? |
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11:25.38 | HD|Laptop | Hi all, is it possible to integrate a script as user/group source for PAM? |
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11:26.39 | HD|Laptop | I have to migrate Jenkins users into accounts that can log in via shell. The problem is that I don't have cleartext passwords, only jbcrypt hashes |
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11:27.30 | HD|Laptop | so I'd simply write a little java program that gets the username and the password via commandline, verifies the username and the password with the hash in the jenkins db, and returns OK or ERROR to PAM |
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11:37.10 | seksiman | cewe indonesia |
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11:40.01 | [1]wasted | Hi guys, quick question. If the kernel I am using (4.4.13) was not compiled with the conntrack modules, is it possible to add them in run time? I don't have .ko files so modprobe or insmod do not work because the files for those modules are not present |
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11:44.31 | teraflops | [1]wasted: are you sure conntack isnt built in? (zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i connt), also if you installed a new kernel you need to reboot yes or yes |
11:45.13 | [1]wasted | The build is for an embedded PC |
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11:45.23 | teraflops | and? |
11:45.24 | [1]wasted | So they thought they won't need to add conntrack.. |
11:45.43 | teraflops | oh, so you already checked /proc/config.gz ? |
11:45.53 | [1]wasted | doing it right now |
11:46.20 | teraflops | also reboot if you installed a new kernel |
11:46.28 | [1]wasted | zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i connt |
11:46.28 | [1]wasted | # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK is not set |
11:46.39 | teraflops | ^ |
11:46.43 | [1]wasted | It is not a new one.. is the only one I have :| |
11:47.00 | [1]wasted | I would love to add to this one the conntrack modules so I can use iptables in a smarter way |
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11:47.38 | [1]wasted | I can ask my supplier to include those modules on their build on next deliveries.. |
11:48.26 | teraflops | yes, or just build you own one if you are hurry/bored |
11:48.46 | teraflops | s/hurry/in hurry |
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11:50.49 | unborn | is there anyone I can ask - about using debian in corporation? (not mine, its workplace) |
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11:53.25 | ransur0t | unborn: see here, for examples: https://www.debian.org/users/ |
11:53.35 | unborn | basically ransomware creep it out for them, since I am just the only one using linux (debian) and had no issues, they are asking those idiotic questions - despite me telling them that if they contribute something back to it - its free to use - they remind confused somehow.. |
11:53.51 | unborn | ransur0t: thanks. |
11:54.28 | unborn | I perhaps point them there.. issue solved. thank you. |
11:54.38 | ransur0t | yw, best of luck :) |
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11:58.25 | saunamees | My pc has turned slow in a week (fresh install couple of weeks ago). bash auto-complete for example is 10 times slower. Ideas ? |
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12:01.34 | ransur0t | saunamees: have you taken a look at system monitor -- resources (cpu, ram, network , disk i/o) to see if you can spot any limitations, and associated services/processes? |
12:01.52 | ransur0t | or cli - top, htop, glances, ... |
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12:05.07 | tako | something showing FAILED on boot |
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12:05.23 | tako | how can i find it |
12:05.46 | leont | I'm building a custom debian package for a librarythat's using autotools to build itself, and I want to force it to build a static library, how can I do this? |
12:06.56 | ransur0t | tako: can you reach tty? |
12:07.04 | ransur0t | or boot to desktop login? |
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12:07.22 | tako | everythings work fine ransur0t |
12:07.35 | tako | but at the boot screen i see red text FAILED |
12:07.49 | tako | but its just show 0,1 second |
12:07.55 | tako | and i cant read what is failed |
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12:09.07 | Iridos | tako, well, why do you care? |
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12:09.54 | tako | Iridos, i care because something failed :D |
12:10.07 | Iridos | well, so what? |
12:10.16 | tako | its can be dangerous for my system |
12:10.31 | Iridos | you can run simply "systemctl" and it shows you the status of all services |
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12:11.13 | tako | â apache2.service loaded failed failed LSB: Apache2 web server |
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12:11.30 | tako | why i have apache2 i'm going to remove it |
12:11.40 | unborn | tako - you can always read the logs.. |
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12:12.30 | zoomgry | (asked in ##linux, no response so far) so it's 84 degree cpu, obviously too hot, fan does not switch on, I do not understand what to do, http://dpaste.com/0E0RVHJ.txt is some debug info, and I find it suspicious that 'high' temperature is set to 100 degrees, in my opinion should be more like 70 degrees |
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12:12.44 | zoomgry | or 56 |
12:13.20 | unborn | zoomgry: degree of what? cpu about 90 celsius degree is - assuming normal.. |
12:13.34 | zoomgry | celsius |
12:14.04 | unborn | ^^^ |
12:14.28 | zoomgry | the laptop just dies randomly and I can't think what else it can be if not the fan. The battery is OK. It is plugged into power supply. What it does is work, work, work, then suddenly goes completely black in one moment |
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12:14.42 | unborn | ah I can see |
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12:15.18 | zoomgry | it is an acer travelmate 4230 |
12:15.21 | cruncher | zoomgry, with "dies randomly", i suppose you mean the computer turns off |
12:15.25 | Iridos | similar with my laptop e.g. when watching a video... but it dies with a flickering screen |
12:15.26 | zoomgry | yes |
12:15.43 | unborn | there could be numerous issues.. failing battery.. dust carpet sitting on your ribs or old heating paste on your cpu.. check that - those are manual shit |
12:15.47 | cruncher | then you have hit the 100/105 mark,. Thats a feature, when overheated, it turns off |
12:15.48 | Iridos | oh, does yours switch off in a controlled fashion? |
12:15.49 | zoomgry | nothing, it just turns off in a milisecond, no shutdown signal sent |
12:16.03 | Iridos | ah |
12:16.14 | cruncher | and 90 is surely not "normal", except you have a heavy stress situation |
12:16.50 | Iridos | and I feel you're lucky seeing gpu core values... that laptop has an intel on-board graphics and I assume it's the one that overheats and makes it die |
12:16.51 | zoomgry | oh I would like to log cpu temperature every minute, and I tried something, but I already forgot what I tried |
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12:17.00 | Iridos | zoomgry, are you using "fanctontrol" for it? |
12:17.01 | unborn | then bios settings.. lower the heat level to turn fun on.. if nothing else will work, I am sure you can do see logs from your system and google it whats perhaps wrong.. |
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12:18.37 | zoomgry | Iridos: yes... I am missing some modules for it... http://dpaste.com/37BFYKW |
12:19.01 | unborn | missing modules.. here it go again... |
12:19.13 | cruncher | zoomgry, did it work before? did it suddenly stop? or never worked on this laptop? |
12:19.55 | zoomgry | cruncher: do not know, this laptop has linux on it for a few months, didn't switch off before. I must say its fan was working yesterday when I ran 'stress -c 4', it was heard |
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12:20.20 | zoomgry | I can try this again now, but I'd rather configure the fan to keep it cool below 60C instead |
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12:23.01 | zoomgry | I'm going to run 'stress -c 4' out of interest just to get it to switch the fan on, now, so if I quit, expect me back a few minutes later at best |
12:23.24 | zoomgry | 87 |
12:23.33 | zoomgry | 93 |
12:23.52 | zoomgry | 96, I'll die soon |
12:23.56 | zoomgry | 99 |
12:25.58 | unborn | zoomgry: you are dead :D |
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12:27.16 | cruncher | zoomgry still here :) |
12:27.27 | unborn | zoomgry: nope - you are a live - even you said you would be dead.. how come.. |
12:27.33 | cruncher | zoomgry, stop it, if it didnt start until now it wont anymore |
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12:28.07 | unborn | cruncher: the reason of the test it self is - the true shit comes out.. |
12:28.30 | cruncher | yes, but on 99 the test failed anyway |
12:29.12 | unborn | his system should have died long time ago.. few minutes away and he will be cooled down.. so whats the point of stopping the test? |
12:29.36 | cruncher | not to have the noteobok turned off |
12:30.22 | unborn | ...those options are automatic right? |
12:30.26 | cruncher | the point was to see if the fan starts, which didnt and surely wont after 99 |
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12:30.46 | Iridos | cruncher, if the client doesn't explicitely quit, it takes some time until a nick times out on the network |
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12:31.08 | cruncher | Iridos, yes, i imagined as she didnt respond |
12:31.21 | unborn | ah time outs :) I forgot those - things - out.. |
12:31.53 | cruncher | unborn, yes, it turns off automatically on 100 or 105 depending on the cpu |
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12:32.22 | zoomgry_ | 'modprobe coretemp' doesn't get it to switch on either, what a shame... I can not possibly explain this, it worked yesterday and I did not change anything, unless the fan decided to break completely for some reason. |
12:32.59 | cruncher | zoomgry, you could still remove fancontrol, and leave it originally |
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12:33.49 | unborn | the big difference I saw is I could respond with something useful out there then stop or do not do it.. crap.. laptop should never turn off till minus 10 degrees Celsius above melting point of your stuff |
12:33.59 | zoomgry_ | cruncher: what would it do originally? fancontrol config doesn't exist, I think it is not doing anything when it's unconfigured |
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12:37.37 | ransur0t | ahh, most likely then it is a general boot check process, the particular service that failed is necessaryfor your system config. look in /var/log for any relevant info |
12:38.03 | zoomgry | I don't care about why coretemp isn't loaded. Even when loaded, it does not help. |
12:38.21 | unborn | zoomgry: would you kindly let us know what laptop you are using? |
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12:38.38 | cruncher | acer travelmate 4230 |
12:39.05 | zoomgry | unborn: thank you. what cruncher said is the laptop model. |
12:39.20 | unborn | acer? fuck that shit much away - sorry for my reaction but acers laptops goes well down last 7 years.. they are simply crap |
12:39.28 | cruncher | honestly, i wouldnt even use fancontrol for that one, its a plastic one, so i would leave it on original |
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12:39.53 | zoomgry | what do you mean by 'original' ? |
12:40.03 | unborn | I have one right on my desk.. I can donate that reap away right away.. aspire 5552 |
12:40.05 | cruncher | fancontrol is liked to be used on laptops that have the fan turning too fast when not needed, so you can fine tune it |
12:40.07 | zoomgry | unborn: it is from maybe 2011, I do not remember. |
12:40.12 | unborn | anyone wants it - ask |
12:40.19 | cruncher | but i doubt that yours will be turning too fast anyway as it probably gets quite hot anyway |
12:41.06 | zoomgry | cruncher: I remove fancontrol and reboot and see if it is any better ? |
12:41.15 | cruncher | zoomgry, yes, i would say thats a good start |
12:41.24 | cruncher | you can still install it later again |
12:41.28 | Iridos | unborn, yeah... because generalizations like that are sooo useful. I had an acer tm that worked very well for... dunno 8 years or so |
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12:41.40 | unborn | zoomgry: I had laptop from acer/packardbell (acer it is) in 2001 - was worked 7 years for me - it still does as an srv for files.. after 2011 acer went very down.. |
12:42.20 | zoomgry | heh :) this one was used by Australian national bank, then sold second hand and I'm on it now. It looks ok. If I look for a new one, I'd probably go with lenovo |
12:42.31 | cruncher | i like acer, price/specs relation is quite good, but still i buy only thinkpads ^^ |
12:42.34 | unborn | higher models are same as very low craps |
12:42.51 | cruncher | but if i needed a really cheap laptop i would buy an acer |
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12:43.14 | unborn | cruncher: dell |
12:43.33 | cruncher | on the other hand, lenovos are the same cheap nowadays :D |
12:44.09 | cruncher | yes, i had also dells, like them... they had just a problem, when i was typing (too fast), they "beeped" when hitting 2 keys nearly simulatenously |
12:44.26 | unborn | cruncher: lenovo - anything under i5 is crap.. even i5 and intel graphics - its crap.. lenovo is not what it used to be.. |
12:44.34 | Iridos | dunno. I got the one I have used because it would have been far too expensive new... and it's got temperature problems from the beginning |
12:45.34 | unborn | means dell of e - series - not cheap shit |
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12:47.13 | unborn | if you after cheap shit - try asus.. :) |
12:47.24 | cruncher | unborn, you are right, its not what it used to be, but i would definetely not describe it as crap |
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12:50.13 | unborn | cruncher: I am most srv guy but I use linux debian and used to be ubuntu for most from 2008 year - lenovo did some tweaks and they did best - one time I saw their laptops as a top once again - but it was gone in 2009 - since then - win 10 or useless machines.. unless you know what you are doing - since we are speaking to linux newbie - dell can put you to sleep with those crappy machines.. dont you think so? |
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12:50.59 | raboof | I'm an 'upstream' maintainer and "make install" currently installs in /usr/local. The Debian maintainer needs to apply a patch to make my app install in /usr instead. |
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12:51.10 | raboof | could I somehow set it up so this patch is no longer needed? |
12:51.42 | unborn | debian is rock solid on dells..acer works too but be prepared to having issues once your warranty goes out..hp - overheating rubbish - toshiba good but asap your warranty will finish - please expect some issues with your hardware |
12:52.14 | cruncher | unborn, you may even be right, but we cannot generalize all brands so easily |
12:52.18 | unborn | otherwise - do your research or fuck off.. simple is that (freely speaking by open source) |
12:52.53 | babilen | raboof: You should install to /usr by default and let user define their own prefix if they want to install it to /usr/local |
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12:53.08 | unborn | cruncher: you missed my msg.. I was not generalised any brand |
12:53.18 | unborn | I did said as it is |
12:53.41 | raboof | babilen: shouldn't we discourage users from manually installing stuff in /usr? I thought that was the distro packages' realm, and manually-installed stuff should go into either /opt or /usr/local |
12:53.48 | unborn | running 7k desks and 3k of srvs give me some know-how |
12:53.48 | cruncher | unborn, no, your opinion, your observation, your experience.. not "as it is" |
12:54.18 | cruncher | you generalized many brands ;-) -> "debian is rock solid on dells..acer works too but be prepared to having issues once your warranty goes out..hp - overheating rubbish - toshiba good but asap your warranty will finish - please expect some issues with your hardware" |
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12:54.39 | cruncher | unborn, and why getting hostile if someone doesnt agree? |
12:54.52 | babilen | raboof: Yeah, but you could simply document a "manual installation" procedure that uses /usr/local |
12:54.53 | unborn | cruncher: I see...its all based on your end see - you know what - I do not care.. numbers for me are something no one can beat |
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12:55.01 | babilen | dpkg: usrlocal |
12:55.01 | dpkg | When hand-compiling software, *always* create a new directory under /usr/local, then install into it. For example: mkdir -p /usr/local/mypackage; ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mypackage. Otherwise, it can overwrite files which should be protected by apt, which can break apt, or apt can break this application's files because it doesn't know about them. See also: <equivs>, <FHS>, </opt>, <checkinstall>, <stow>, <make your own .deb> |
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12:55.25 | unborn | cruncher: its not about someone disagree.. I mentioned this earlier |
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12:55.36 | unborn | its just fact.. |
12:55.37 | babilen | raboof: Essentially ask them to pass ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/ (or use stow or similar tools) |
12:55.52 | babilen | raboof: But you might want to discuss this in #debian-mentors as I'm afk now |
12:55.56 | babilen | (on irc.oftc.net) |
12:56.07 | raboof | thanks for the help so far! |
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12:57.26 | unborn | cruncher: - simply put this isseu away mate - ldv is not ferrari... I would say ubuntu is not debian ;) |
12:58.09 | unborn | numbers are numbers.. 2+2 is 4. simple is that |
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12:58.59 | abrotman | Unless it's a Pentium |
12:59.10 | cruncher | unborn, yes, but you aply them on the wrong place, not EVERY toshiba has issue with hardware when warranty finishes, not every hp overheats, etc.. i guess you know what i mean. |
12:59.16 | unborn | 100+ to abrotman |
12:59.36 | abrotman | is pretty sure there's a better channel to discuss this |
12:59.49 | cruncher | and in my experience hps dont overheat, toshibas are not broken after warranty. I can only agree on that cheap laptops get hot/overheat |
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13:00.04 | cruncher | anyway, you are right, it doesnt matter what we think, and its off-topic anyway |
13:01.09 | cruncher | and i take back the overheat on cheap laptops, but they get hot, yes |
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13:01.26 | cruncher | ok, lets be friendly again and help people :) |
13:01.32 | unborn | cruncher: are you referring to not every toshiba .. etc rubbish? I am ICT pro.. how many of us or you (I am assuming you are the pro) have no issues with it? - do you support just normal users of toshiba? I do - unless you want to rip them off from normal money they pay for win services - you do know what I am talking about.. |
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13:03.33 | unborn | cruncher: do give your self favour - have look at the toshiba things - hardware is bad same as the acer.. have look on charges on toshiba - anyway let me to go back to the original question here - this is debian linux support irc channel right? what it was???? |
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13:04.47 | cruncher | exactly |
13:04.49 | cruncher | !next |
13:04.49 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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13:06.05 | rambler44 | Okay so I'm new to GPT/UEFI, which is already on my drive 100MB EFI partition, 122 MB "unallocated" (Microsoft extras?) It might be messy as I manually converted over MBR install to GPT later on and replaced the regular bootloader using a recovery USB. But my problem is, if I install a Debian to dual-boot with Windows - encrypted, do I need a /boot partition to have GRUB on which can fallback to Windows etc. I heard these can be encrypted too, but since I |
13:06.05 | rambler44 | have no way of turning back once I start installing I wanted to know what steps I should take on EFI? Since MBR usex ext2, and there is partitions present - format a fat32 for GRUB2? Also I assume no secure boot, but that's not needed. |
13:06.25 | unborn | cruncher: as we was asses - thanks for sharing our debian love.. sorry for fall out.. im just idiotic regards the hardware support - ive been in linux too long.. are we all good? |
13:06.41 | cruncher | unborn, yes, we are mate |
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13:06.53 | rambler44 | Well, my first idea was just to override what Windows had, but that worn't be a good idea. |
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13:08.16 | unborn | cruncher: :) glad to hear it.. I am sorry. sometimes I can be ass hole.. I know that. anyway lets help those folks do ; wow - what a dream ; ;) ps if you ever need help with virtualmin and hosting pm me right a way |
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13:08.57 | cruncher | unborn, dont worry, we are only humans :) and thanks for the offer, i will remember it |
13:09.40 | unborn | exactly - humans - turns my attitude sometimes less then piggy meh |
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13:10.27 | cruncher | rambler44, for starters it would help if we saw a fdisk -l output |
13:10.35 | unborn | rambler44: hi, I did not catch you initial question - so its hard to response to your second one.. can you repeat it please? |
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13:11.29 | rambler44 | Yeah I am trying to dual-boot Debian, and the Windows installation already have a 100 MB EFI partition + 122MB windows bootloader? I think, so to install Debian, encrypted, I'd have to place GRUB2 either on that EFI parition, or make a new one for GRUB? I'm not quite sure how this works yet |
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13:12.18 | rambler44 | Assuming I just have to format the GRUB2 bootloader, unencrypted, I'd make a FAT32 or is that incorrect? Shoudl it stil lbe ext2 |
13:13.10 | unborn | rambler44: yeah - to short the story out is.. install windows first and then linux.. more than 10 years old advice.. once you installed linux on its no longer mbr crap...it grub.. |
13:13.51 | unborn | you should use only and exclusively use ext4 format. |
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13:14.21 | rambler44 | Uhm as I recall the bootloader is exclsuively ext2? |
13:14.35 | sypher | rambler44: what??? |
13:14.40 | unborn | heh |
13:14.43 | unborn | what??? |
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13:15.12 | rambler44 | Maybe its just outdated |
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13:15.29 | rambler44 | I dont know, I was told to format bootloaders way back as ext2 and main system ext4 |
13:15.33 | unborn | rambler44: what distro are you using? |
13:15.48 | unborn | told by who? |
13:15.59 | unborn | ..get answers rambler44 ;) |
13:16.03 | rambler44 | A guy which helped me installing Linux the first time, back when I used MBR haha. |
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13:16.16 | rambler44 | Now, its all GPT, UEFI. Confusing me again |
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13:16.23 | unborn | -ha-ha - when that was? |
13:16.28 | rambler44 | I guess some years back? |
13:16.30 | unborn | anyway - we told you already... |
13:16.36 | sypher | Okay, okay, stop. |
13:16.53 | sypher | First: You don't 'format' a bootloader. It gets installed in the first portion of the disk. |
13:17.01 | sypher | If you're talking about /boot, that can be almost anything you want. |
13:17.03 | rambler44 | So ext2 is just aplaceholder |
13:17.06 | sypher | STOP. |
13:17.10 | sypher | You're just throwing words around. |
13:17.55 | sypher | ext2, like ext3, ext4, xfs, jfs, etc, are filesystems. Filesystems store files and directories. |
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13:18.22 | unborn | rambler44: with all respect - some stuff are changing every day - some dont - perhaps you have outdated info.. perhaps we are all wrong.. till you not tell us, we would be as blind child going for a cake. |
13:18.27 | sypher | A bootloader is a bundle of code that gets written to disk that the system can read when the system starts. It is not a filesystem, it doesn't use a filesystem, etc. It might load an OS off of a filesystem (such as /boot). |
13:18.36 | [1]wasted | Talking about throwing words around... on the /proc/config.gz file if I have 'CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES=m' what does the m stand for? |
13:18.49 | sypher | [1]wasted: Module, rather than built-in to the kernel. |
13:19.02 | [1]wasted | Thanks :D |
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13:19.17 | [1]wasted | so 'y' would be built in |
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13:19.21 | [1]wasted | ? |
13:19.29 | sypher | Yup. |
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13:22.32 | rafalcpp | how to tell debian to open .ogv with mplayer, not with damn Audacity? |
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13:22.35 | rambler44 | Maybe its just Windows then that erequeires FAT32 for EFI boot |
13:22.43 | rafalcpp | e.g. web browser does it, also krusader dos |
13:22.47 | rafalcpp | e.g. web browser does it, also krusader does |
13:23.39 | sypher | rambler44: No, that's correct for EFI. But you weren't talking about EFI, you were talking about GRUB. |
13:23.59 | unborn | rafael: just right mouse button click.. select vlc as default and you are done. :) |
13:24.03 | rambler44 | Well, there comes my inexperience up. I think I might be talking about GRUB2 |
13:25.16 | unborn | ..there is nothing else then grub 2 right? :) |
13:25.23 | rambler44 | The 100MB parition should store .efi files for Linux as well as Windows, then the other partition has a windows bootloader - and I format another ext4 for GRUB2 as /boot under a fourth partition and locate Debian under a fifth. Or am I being crazy now |
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13:26.41 | sypher | You keep saying GRUB. Stop it. |
13:26.49 | rambler44 | bootloader? |
13:27.03 | sypher | thwacks rambler44 with a rolled up newspaper. |
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13:27.11 | rambler44 | ouch |
13:27.16 | sypher | <PROTECTED> |
13:27.39 | rambler44 | yes, so I would need it if Debian is encrypted. But GRUB2 is not located there is it right now? |
13:27.45 | sypher | GRUB2-EFI is read from the EFI partition, which then lists available kernels stored in /boot. It loads and launches the kernel. |
13:27.50 | rambler44 | I always thought it was so big, that it needed an aditional parition to store its bloat on |
13:28.21 | sypher | Without EFI, GRUB is stored in the master boot record of the drive, which is read by the BIOS, which then loads and launches a kernel and initrd from /boot. |
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13:28.53 | sypher | (Please note that everywhere I say GRUB, I mean GRUB2.) |
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13:38.11 | rambler44 | So, yeah, I'll try. Thanks sypher. |
13:38.32 | rambler44 | I guess I should get rid of that habit to format /boot as ext2 |
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13:39.59 | sypher | rambler44: Formatting /boot as ext2 isn't invalid, it's also not required. You can use any filesystem that GRUB2 can read, which is most anything you'd normally use. ext*, xfs, etc. |
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13:40.43 | rambler44 | Well, with the fact that its newer I feel ext4 would give a quicker boot. But might not have that much to say |
13:41.06 | rambler44 | I mean does the reason for people using ext2 as boot by habit have something to do with it not supporting ext4 in the past - legacy maybe? |
13:42.00 | jhutchins | rambler44: I don't think it was ever a real problem. People just hesitated to upgrade it. |
13:42.29 | rambler44 | Yeah, it's not like we can't upgarde to kernel 4.* |
13:42.38 | jhutchins | rambler44: When they built new systems, they figured there was a good reason /boot had stayed ext2, so... |
13:42.40 | rambler44 | s/upgarde/upgrade |
13:43.03 | jhutchins | rambler44: 2.6 has full support of ext 3 & 4 |
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13:43.48 | jhutchins | I think maybe someone thought that the overhead of journaling wasn't worth it for what's usually a read-only partition. |
13:44.31 | rambler44 | this really seems quite old doesn't it https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/apcs03.html.en |
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13:45.10 | rambler44 | Yeah, I wondered - maybe it was faster to use |
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14:02.24 | sly01 | hi guys I have dell laptop 5470 and wifi card intel wifi 8260 |
14:02.44 | sly01 | It doesnt work I install firmware-iwlwifi from debian official page but no luck |
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14:06.37 | mtn | sly01: what is the wifi line from lspci -nn? only the one line, please |
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14:07.59 | mtn | sly01: which version of debian is this? |
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14:08.05 | MOZGIII | Hi, I'm trting to figure out how can I format and repartition my hard drive without external mediums, given my hard drive has a single rootfs partition |
14:08.27 | MOZGIII | I'm currently struggling with pivot_root to unmount / |
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14:09.51 | MOZGIII | Can anyone help? I made a tmpfs, debootstraped my new tmp rootfs on it, and then I pivot_root but it fails |
14:10.08 | sly01 | mtn: 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 8260 [8086:24f3] (rev 3a) |
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14:10.29 | sly01 | mtn: and the kernel is Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3 (2016-07-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
14:10.53 | mtn | sly01: install inxi and then Please type "inxi -Nnz" (without the " marks) in a terminal and paste the results to dpaste.com and give us the link. |
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14:37.18 | jhutchins | MOZGIII: From the man page: "new_root and put_old must not be on the same file system as the current |
14:37.21 | jhutchins | root. |
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14:45.22 | ghormoon | hi, does exist something to check X server? something even more lightweight than Xyeys that would just say if it wilud be possible to create a window without having to create and kill one? |
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14:47.08 | greycat | ghormoon: in scripts, you usually just check for the existence of a DISPLAY variable. |
14:47.28 | greycat | If the variable exists, you assume it's a valid reference and don't try to check it by actually launching a client until it's time to actually launch a client. |
14:47.32 | ghormoon | the problem is that it exists sooner than the remote X server :) |
14:47.44 | greycat | That is unpossible. |
14:47.57 | polyzen | > unpossible |
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14:48.11 | greycat | The DISPLAY variable doesn't get set until you launch an X session or launch an ssh -X or something equivalent. |
14:48.20 | greycat | Unless you're doing something utterly STUPID like manually setting it. |
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14:48.36 | ghormoon | it's just statically set in the profile on machine 1. Xserver is on machine 2. machine 1 boots way sooner usually |
14:48.37 | ghormoon | :) |
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14:49.12 | ghormoon | the point it, I want to detect that machine 2 properly booted and launched the X server |
14:49.12 | greycat | Manually setting it is the root cause of your problems. Just use ssh -X |
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14:49.21 | ghormoon | and I want to start an app from machine 1 automatically at that point |
14:49.34 | ghormoon | but machine 2 doesn't need ssh access to machine 1 |
14:49.44 | greycat | ... I give up. Have fun breaking your shit. |
14:49.44 | ghormoon | it will mean I'll have to do passwordless key |
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14:50.47 | ghormoon | how would you do that without giving passwordless key? |
14:52.46 | FinalX | ssh-agent running as the sending user |
14:53.13 | ghormoon | but how is that gonna start up wuthout someone typing passowrd for the key anyway? :) |
14:53.37 | FinalX | it's not, you'll have to start it once when the machine boots or when it is killed |
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14:53.48 | ghormoon | that's still the same |
14:53.56 | ghormoon | the app will be started once on boot of machine 2 |
14:54.00 | FinalX | ah |
14:54.16 | han-solo | there's a python module to automate that, i guess |
14:54.23 | FinalX | you can also limit the commands the key can do on the other system to just 1 thing, for example |
14:54.38 | ghormoon | hm, maybe i'll end up on that |
14:54.40 | FinalX | so yes make it passwordless, but then limit it to X, Y and/or Z |
14:55.10 | FinalX | we do that for some machines for rsync backups, for example |
14:55.31 | han-solo | paramiko is the module, btw |
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14:56.17 | ghormoon | han-solo: just googled ity up and it seems to be ssh, how is that relevant? |
14:56.26 | ghormoon | I'm using direct conenctino to the Xserver, not over ssh |
14:56.52 | ghormoon | just DISPLAY=IP:0 (it's on virtual network anyway, no encryption needed) |
14:56.52 | han-solo | sorry then |
14:57.25 | greycat | This is some seriously broken 1985 "lol what is security" private network bullshit . |
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14:58.09 | ghormoon | greycat: is there any particular reason to waste computing time for communicatino that is between two VMs on the same host connected by a bridge? |
14:58.17 | greycat | You forgot to tell us how you use xhost to allow the raping of the X server. |
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14:59.53 | ghormoon | well, technically the hypervisor would be able to break in, but that is trivial anyway as one of those machines as a container so you can just enter it :P |
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15:07.12 | __marco | Hello. I have a problem with chromium and the 3d hardware acceleration |
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15:07.22 | __marco | I cannot disable it. |
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15:07.46 | __marco | 51.0.2704.79 Built on 8.4, running on Debian 8.5 (64-bit) |
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15:08.49 | __marco | the HA is so unstable that I cannot even open the main menu |
15:09.16 | __marco | but I cannot get it disabled |
15:09.21 | __marco | WebGL: Hardware accelerated |
15:09.26 | __marco | Flash: Hardware accelerated |
15:09.29 | __marco | etc |
15:09.41 | __marco | "Override software rendering list" in about:flags is disabled |
15:10.36 | __marco | chrome://flags/#ignore-gpu-blacklist |
15:11.05 | __marco | this is really annoying because I can use chrome but I won't |
15:11.15 | MOZGIII | jhutchins: yes, but isn't another tmpfs a separate file system? |
15:12.35 | MOZGIII | well, guess I'll switch to building custom initramfs for that. I'll be able to just kexec it |
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15:32.27 | unborn | oh now I can exit :) |
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15:57.24 | hotwings | i see dmesg is getting spammed like crazy with lines like "[176577.104535] systemd[1]: apt-daily.timer: Adding 2h 54min 10.568131s random time.".. anyone know what thats supposed to be? afaik apt-get/aptitude shouldnt be doing any automated anything |
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16:03.03 | jhutchins | hotwings: dpkg -l "apt-daily" |
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16:03.38 | hotwings | no packages found matching that |
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16:14.51 | andhoy | I have a ugly suse install that I would like to convert to a systemd container. is this trivial? :) |
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16:36.48 | mamadg | hi , is there any way to find out which file a package need to run as root ? |
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16:39.07 | mamadg | hi , is there any way to find out which file a package need to run as root ? |
16:39.29 | han-solo | you only need to ask once |
16:40.10 | greycat | I don't understand the question. Are you asking HOW to run something as root that normally does not run as root? Or are you asking "Parts of this package run as root and part as non-root; how do I see which parts are which?" |
16:41.31 | mamadg | the question is "Parts of this package run as root and part as non-root; how do I see which parts are which?" |
16:41.54 | greycat | Which package is it? That's a very odd situation. |
16:42.14 | mamadg | a lot's of package's |
16:42.22 | mamadg | like apache |
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16:43.09 | greycat | Oh, right, things that launch as root initially so that they can bind to a sub-1024 port, then drop privilegs to a sane user. |
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16:43.20 | `Kevin | ^ |
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16:44.49 | mamadg | the thing is that is have customise sudo for a system but , it user's are tech guys and they need work with some service's and edit config file's |
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16:46.13 | mamadg | but not all config's and file's so i need to limit the access |
16:46.29 | greycat | You're asking "what should I put in sudoers so my ape-admins can stop and start apache"? |
16:46.57 | mamadg | partly yes |
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16:47.26 | mamadg | i need to find out which part of a package need root access |
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16:47.45 | mamadg | and i have a lot of package list |
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16:48.13 | greycat | This is a matter of local policy. Local meaning *you*. You decide who can do what to which file or which command. |
16:49.33 | Gabs5807 | mamadg: you should sudoer man page there are some examples for this. edit configuration file and restart service. if i remember right there is an example for apache .. |
16:49.49 | `Kevin | mamadg: there isnt a `list` of packages `X Y` which need root for Z function |
16:50.25 | `Kevin | technically you can run apache on a tcp socket higher than 1024 as a non-root user for example |
16:50.29 | greycat | Honestly I would chgrp the config files to some web-admin group (and g+w) and put the apes in that group. |
16:51.16 | `Kevin | I think you need to look into greycat's suggestion and take it a step further understanding exactly what each person needs access to, you cannot do it for the entire system(package list) |
16:51.26 | `Kevin | not selectively in a sane way |
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16:54.43 | mamadg | actually we want to limit user's to access common service's like httpd , ftpd , ... not entire system at first level |
16:54.57 | greycat | So configure sudoers accordingly. |
16:55.07 | `Kevin | so thats different, yea ^ |
16:55.40 | `Kevin | chrp for config files like greycat said and give access to invoke-rc.d as needed to restart processes |
16:55.46 | greycat | Unless you meant "end users", in which case this entire line of questioning is bogus. |
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16:56.31 | Gabs5807 | you also can use accls ;-) .. |
16:56.38 | mamadg | the problem is there is too much package's steel and configuration file's and i should test them all |
16:57.00 | greycat | The problem is you're too damned paranoid and ignorant. :-/ |
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16:57.38 | mamadg | so i am looking for a way for write some script that find some of them for me |
16:57.51 | greycat | The defaults should be sane for end users in almost any setup. If you're trying to empower a tier of ape-admins to do task A but not task B then you will have to fine-tune your sudoers for that. |
16:58.05 | greycat | NO FUCKING SCRIPT |
16:58.14 | greycat | There is no fucking magic wand. |
16:58.19 | greycat | You have to DO THE FUCKING WORK. |
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16:59.18 | mamadg | so scripting and programming does not count as work ? |
16:59.44 | greycat | *plonk* |
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17:00.00 | `Kevin | mamadg: you are likely over complicating it creating extra work/troubles |
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17:01.33 | `Kevin | the majority of the work has already been done, you have you use what exists currently in the right way rather than re-implementing something that to an extent already exists |
17:01.43 | bezaban | can manage /etc/sudoers remotely by using some config management tool (like saltstack), that grants different access depending on packages that are installed on whatever server, but getting it up and running with correct state files is a lot more work (but pays off in the long run with multiple servers) |
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17:02.03 | bezaban | you still have to figure it all out :) |
17:02.06 | Gabs5807 | for editing configuration files - most demon config could use incude statement. so you can include a directory an allow the user to put configuration files in that directory .. |
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17:06.04 | Gabs5807 | by the way ftpd is not a very good solution .. |
17:06.19 | mamadg | thank you Gabs5807 , but we prefer to use sudo for now ... |
17:06.35 | mamadg | solution ? |
17:06.35 | greycat | The only reason anyone should run an ftpd in 2016 is if they have clients who demand it for legacy reasons. |
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17:09.14 | Gabs5807 | greycat: you are right. so may be they cannot use http, sftp, rsync, .. :-( |
17:09.46 | mamadg | thanks everybody for helping ... |
17:09.59 | greycat | Or they *think* they can't. |
17:10.37 | dreamer | hmmm. on stretch, since today's updates, my screen now goes 'black' after some time (~10 mins or so?) and I don't have xscreensaver or any other screensaver installed .. |
17:10.58 | greycat | OFTC #debian-next |
17:11.00 | dreamer | anyone an idea what the hell could be caising this? |
17:11.05 | dreamer | caus* |
17:11.13 | dreamer | greycat: ah, derp. indeed |
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17:13.54 | prussian | lol |
17:14.02 | prussian | dreamer: one sec |
17:14.11 | prussian | I know what it is I just forgot how to turn it off |
17:14.25 | prussian | o right |
17:14.34 | prussian | xset s off -dpms |
17:14.40 | prussian | dreamer: ^ |
17:14.56 | greycat | That shouldn't be new in stretch, though. |
17:15.04 | prussian | ya idk |
17:15.16 | dreamer | weird that I never had it though |
17:15.22 | greycat | has this in .xsession on this machine in jessie: xset s off; xset dpms 0 1800 0 |
17:15.36 | prussian | maybe the maintainer for some x package had it run or something before |
17:15.37 | prussian | idk |
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17:15.58 | prussian | I don't make these things up |
17:16.09 | prussian | that's the only thing I can think off that would cause it though. |
17:16.11 | awal1 | I just removed my i386 partition and keeping the amd64 ones (/ & swap) and all went fine. But when I executed grub-install /dev/sda I have seen grub output "Installing for i386 pc platform. Installation terminated successfully. No errors reported". Why i386 platform if my current arch is amd64? |
17:16.33 | dreamer | prussian: thnx. I did that command. will see if it stays on this time .. |
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17:16.36 | dreamer | (trying to watch a movie hehe) |
17:16.38 | prussian | you know those maintainers... always changing things. |
17:16.46 | prussian | ya |
17:16.49 | prussian | it should work? |
17:16.50 | prussian | idk |
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17:17.03 | prussian | hnm |
17:17.22 | prussian | I didn't know there was a #debian-next |
17:17.28 | greycat | It's on OFTC. |
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17:17.45 | prussian | o |
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17:18.20 | prussian | good to know |
17:18.34 | prussian | I'll add that network to my znc when I get home |
17:19.17 | jhutchins_wk | Seem to have lost my connection, sorry. |
17:19.25 | greycat | I think you found it. |
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17:19.53 | jhutchins_wk | Yep. |
17:20.08 | greycat | I appear to have an oftc port-forward set up in .irssi/config but I don't think I've ever actually used it. And not entirely sure I've got the analogous ssh -L tunnel up. |
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17:23.00 | prussian | @h |
17:23.02 | prussian | ah |
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17:23.13 | prussian | oftc is owned by SPI |
17:23.18 | prussian | it all makes sense now |
17:23.44 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, there's my other terminal. |
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18:13.47 | leba2 | Is it that Debian 8 is designed to go the most automatic possible during installation? Why else wouldn't Debian allow to manually configure network unless I unplug network cable? |
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18:14.36 | leba2 | I know I can configure network after install, but it'd be good to be able since install, since Debian *is used for servers as well*. |
18:14.45 | leba2 | Not just desktops |
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18:15.11 | petemc | leba2: it attempts to use dhcp but you can cancel it |
18:15.12 | TomTomTosch | are you using expert install? |
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18:16.09 | leba2 | Er, no... when I boot the DVD I just select "Install" to enter text installation. But graphic and text installations are just the same (just saw it). |
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18:16.37 | teraflops | leba2: go use expert install then |
18:17.14 | leba2 | Can't remember if there's "expert" option in menu when booting Debian DVD... |
18:17.25 | petemc | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q:_Why_does_DebianInstaller_always_use_DHCP.3F_I_want_a_static_address.21 |
18:17.31 | somiaj | I think they are all hidden under an additional options menu |
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18:18.32 | leba2 | ^ "wait until dhcp detection fails" which means unplug the freaking cable indeed. "Or cancel it" <-- never tried this.... |
18:19.36 | leba2 | How do I cancel dhcp detection? |
18:19.57 | petemc | highlight cancel button, press enter |
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18:20.32 | leba2 | (Aaahhhh, so installer does have a name... If Centos's installer is Anaconda, Debian's is DebianInstaller!) |
18:20.45 | greycat | Also known as d-i. |
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18:20.53 | leba2 | ^ Really? |
18:20.58 | greycat | Yes. |
18:21.06 | greycat | !d-i |
18:21.06 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" is now the "stable" Debian release. See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>. |
18:21.40 | leba2 | ^ wow |
18:22.26 | TomTomTosch | mildly interesting at most... |
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18:22.41 | leba2 | So aside of here in the channel, I could just show up in the forums, say "eeehhh, d-i, d-i, d-i" and everyone would indeed ask me "yes, what's wrong with the Debian installer"? |
18:22.57 | greycat | what is a forum? |
18:23.04 | greycat | Do you mean the mailing lists? |
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18:24.45 | leba2 | greycat: er..... I realyl think that was not exactly the correct question... Did you mean just "what forums"? I could not digest a pc guy not knowing what a forum is nowadays... |
18:24.51 | leba2 | And yes, I meant the mailing lists. |
18:25.51 | greycat | I meant "Debian does not have web forums". So yes. If you mention d-i on, say, the debian-user mailing list, most people will know what you mean, as long as you use it in some reasonable context. |
18:26.57 | babilen | http://forums.debian.net/ fwiw |
18:27.16 | greycat | Are these considered part of Debian? |
18:27.38 | leba2 | Probably unofficial.... |
18:27.46 | babilen | Semi-unofficial |
18:27.57 | leba2 | What does that mean? |
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18:28.55 | babilen | It means that debian.net is related to Debian and the forums are somewhat official. I have never had contact with them before nor do I use it nor can I comment on their "official part" of Debian |
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18:29.00 | leba2 | Neither ##windows guys know how the heck their OS keeps track of time... |
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18:29.37 | TomTomTosch | what do you mean? they have a hardware clock and a system clock like any other os. |
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18:30.13 | leba2 | I meant the ##windows guys seemingly don't know how Windows keeps track of time. |
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18:30.30 | leba2 | Ouch, re-read your message. |
18:30.42 | leba2 | I thought it said "we" instead of "they" |
18:30.45 | greycat | these debian.net forums have 4 threads with today's date in "general questions" so I guess they have what I would call a low-to-medium user base |
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18:31.48 | leba2 | Wait, does virtually every OS indeed have the very same "time" structure, a RTC and a system clock? |
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18:32.38 | leba2 | greycat: er... did I just say something wrong? |
18:32.49 | greycat | Are you *!*@r179-25-188-194.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy ? |
18:33.25 | leba2 | If that's aimed for me, no, I'm not. |
18:33.29 | leba2 | You can whois me. |
18:33.37 | greycat | ... |
18:33.50 | TomTomTosch | it was greycat speak for "No" |
18:34.24 | leba2 | Sorry, I thought something bad had happened to force greycat wear Op. |
18:34.35 | greycat | yes, it did, but it was not related to you. |
18:35.00 | leba2 | Anyway, does virtually every OS indeed have the very same "time" structure, a RTC and a system clock? |
18:35.02 | greycat | is your client somehow not showing you the ban I created? |
18:35.19 | TomTomTosch | leba2: yes. the hardware clock is optional, though. |
18:35.24 | N3X15 | So uh |
18:35.51 | N3X15 | Just a hot tip: Downgrading from Sid to Jessie is not a smart idea. Sincerely, guy who spent 3 days reinstalling. |
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18:36.25 | leba2 | greycat: did you create a ban for me? |
18:36.57 | petemc | if he did you wouldnt be here |
18:36.57 | leba2 | Wait, no, sorry... |
18:37.04 | leba2 | Yes, sorry. |
18:37.20 | leba2 | greycat: no, I could not see your actions. |
18:37.33 | leba2 | Guess webchat does not show that stuff... |
18:37.43 | N3X15 | He banned someone with a broken connection who was joining and leaving on a loop |
18:38.05 | leba2 | Aaahhh, asterismo. Yes, that was getting a bit tiring. |
18:38.07 | N3X15 | Well, no, looks like they were actually sending /quit |
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18:38.28 | leba2 | But perhaps the guy was having serious connection issues. |
18:38.40 | N3X15 | Not if it says "Client quit" |
18:38.50 | greycat | It was most likely a technical problem, yes, but the ban is how we stop it for 2 hours. |
18:39.04 | N3X15 | That means they were forcing the connection closed by exiting their client |
18:39.11 | greycat | Or the client crashed. |
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18:39.38 | N3X15 | Usually, if the client crashes, it times out or shows connection closed. Who knows. |
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18:42.30 | leba2 | I'm installing yet another Debian 8, but have never figured out (even after searching already) what those "standard system utilities" are. |
18:42.49 | leba2 | What are those? |
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18:44.35 | greycat | packages with priority "standard" or higher |
18:45.11 | TomTomTosch | aptitude search ~pstandard |
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18:45.36 | TomTomTosch | it's the first thing that somes up if you type "debian standard system utilities" into google. |
18:45.42 | TomTomTosch | s/somes/comes |
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18:46.34 | hillarytrump2k16 | hi |
18:46.59 | hillarytrump2k16 | can someone explain to me the meaning of jessie/updates when viewinw repository in /etc/apt/sources |
18:47.18 | greycat | dpkg jessie-updates |
18:47.18 | dpkg | jessie-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates will be included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <jessie/updates> which is for <security> updates. |
18:47.42 | babilen | dpkg: jessie/updates |
18:47.42 | dpkg | On Debian 8 "Jessie" systems, there are two repositories that you should have in your sources.list aside from your main mirror. You should have an entry for "jessie/updates" which is security updates (ask me about <security>) and also an entry for "jessie-updates" which is other updated packages (see <jessie-updates>). See also <sources.list>. |
18:48.37 | greycat | but, like, the one with a / in it is from security.debian.org instead of the regular mirror... seems that would be the part you'd mention first... |
18:49.36 | hillarytrump2k16 | sorry i'm having some trouble reading your response; using weechat (having never used cli irc before and i accidently split the window too many times..) |
18:50.29 | hillarytrump2k16 | @greycat you're right it's the value from the security.debian.org entry; but what is the difference between that and jessie-updates? |
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18:51.44 | leba2 | TomTomTosch: do you tell me to try "aptitudem search ~pstandard" once I log into just installed Debian? |
18:51.44 | greycat | hillarytrump2k16: when you get your client back in working order, /msg dpkg jessie-updates and /msg dpkg jessie/updates |
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18:52.55 | TomTomTosch | leba2: into any debian installation that has the standard system utilities, not the installer. |
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18:54.25 | leba2 | Ah, so first I finish installing Debian, with the standard system utilities included, then I try that... |
18:54.48 | greycat | We generally assume that people in #debian have Debian. Funny how that works. |
18:55.17 | leba2 | Ouch |
18:55.20 | leba2 | My bad, sorry. |
18:55.23 | leba2 | Thanks. |
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18:57.27 | TomTomTosch | oh, s/aptitudem/aptitude not even sure how i got that typo in... |
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19:04.07 | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i | i am trying to mount a pendrive, but it says is readonly. wtf? i googled it tried some hdparm commands and nothing. |
19:05.27 | greycat | What file system is on it? |
19:05.34 | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i | ext4 and luks |
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19:05.46 | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i | there are two partitions in that drive |
19:05.58 | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i | one is ext4 over luks, the other ext4 |
19:06.17 | greycat | When you mount it, what is the exact output you get? |
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19:06.49 | klow | i hate centos. |
19:07.12 | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i | http://pastebin.com/9b4N66Mh |
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19:08.39 | greycat | It says the device is write-protected. If this were back in the days of floppy disks it would mean the tab is slid to the read-only position. If this is a USB thingy it is probably something else.... |
19:09.05 | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i | you mean its a physical thing. its not an old drive. i bought it a year ago |
19:09.14 | greycat | Well, that's what the FIRST line says. |
19:09.29 | greycat | The second line, I have no idea. Does it even mount read-only? Are you able to read the files from it? |
19:09.41 | towo` | the stick is damged, forget him |
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19:10.20 | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i | there is data |
19:11.03 | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i | but i cannot mount it. would it work making an image and mounting "mount -o loop ..."? |
19:11.18 | greycat | So the mount actually *fails*. You can't even read the files. |
19:11.25 | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i | mount fails yes |
19:11.36 | `Kevin | you could do that W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i (dd -> image -> loop mount) |
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19:12.19 | `Kevin | i would monitor iostat to see if it gets stuck at 100%io with <20 IOPs |
19:12.35 | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i | why |
19:12.50 | `Kevin | that would suggest it cannot read the data |
19:13.40 | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i | i tried doing "dd if=..." and it shows data |
19:15.25 | `Kevin | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i: just a suggestion... im not suggesting hw is bad just something to keep an eye on as it goes through all the sectors |
19:15.55 | greycat | It could also be massive data corruption, or it could be that you are trying to mount the encrypted (?) file system instead of the unencrypted one. |
19:16.06 | greycat | You never said which was sdc1. |
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19:16.37 | `Kevin | ^ |
19:16.39 | `Kevin | good point |
19:16.40 | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i | i used cryptsetup and put the password. apparently there is no problem with that. when i try to mount the /dev/mapper/... it says the same thing |
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19:16.54 | greycat | You still haven't said. |
19:17.22 | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i | sdc1=ext4, sdc2=ext4+luks |
19:17.28 | Thinker_ | Hello all |
19:17.38 | greycat | Did you try fsck /dev/sdc1 yet? |
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19:18.03 | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i | fsck /dev/sdc1 says something about readonly |
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19:19.57 | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i | the only way it works is with "fsck -n /dev/sdc1". it says "skipping journal recovery cause its readonly etc clean" |
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19:21.58 | Thinker_ | What did ian murdock exactly in debian project ? Did he develope dpkg ? |
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19:23.34 | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i | there is some fsck option to force rw check? |
19:24.19 | greycat | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i: every google result I find for write-protected USB thumb drives says "it's toast, get a new one" |
19:24.34 | greycat | except for some that try to get you to run some lame-ass Windows too |
19:24.36 | greycat | tool |
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19:27.22 | Li | how to download a apt package to be able to install it while offline? |
19:27.44 | greycat | apt-get --download-only install whatever |
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19:36.20 | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i | the thing is i was using that pendrive as root filesystem. even i configured it to be "flash friendly", i am wondering if that was a good idea. |
19:37.28 | greycat | I've only seen a "write-protected" USB thumb drive once before, and I was not able to get it to become writable no matter how many bizarre hdparm commands I tried from googled web forums. |
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19:38.48 | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i | do you think there is hope with dd -> image -> loop mount ? |
19:38.59 | greycat | Maybe, yes. |
19:39.51 | greycat | If the write-protection is preventing fsck from fixing the file system, but it is otherwise fixable once you copy it to a writable device, then it's possible. |
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19:40.42 | Li | greycat: do you know how to install it later on another machine? |
19:41.01 | greycat | copy the debs out of /var/cache/apt/archives |
19:41.02 | Li | I noticed downloading only one package resulted mutliple files |
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19:41.13 | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i | deps files |
19:41.23 | greycat | Most packages have dependencies. |
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19:42.23 | Li | greycat: is it possible to specify the download location in order to obatain an installable package with all its deps? |
19:42.43 | greycat | What is wrong with the /var/cache/apt/archives location? |
19:43.30 | Li | greycat: it has loads of unwanted packages and deps |
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19:43.47 | greycat | They were all wanted. That's why they were downloaded there. |
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19:44.08 | W3s6iUSuLV6nGV4i | Li: the stupid option is to clean your pkg cache |
19:44.38 | greycat | Just copy the ones you want on machine B from machine A onto machine B. |
19:44.41 | greycat | Ignore the others. |
19:45.07 | Li | greycat: yes but what's wanted for one package is most likely unneeded for another |
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19:45.59 | greycat | What's your point? Did the list of packages that you downloaded RIGHT NOW THIS FUCKING MINUTE scroll off the screen so you aren't sure which ones to copy? |
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19:47.08 | greycat | Of course the BIGGER issue is when machines A and B are NOT in the same initial state, so you don't GET all of the dependencies on A that you will need on B. |
19:47.16 | greycat | But you didn't even think that far ahead. |
19:47.46 | greycat | An offline unix machine is like a fucking brick. Why do you even have one. What is the point. |
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19:51.14 | `Kevin | sounds like a cold archive backup :P |
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19:53.36 | greycat | If the copying of files from A to B is an Ordeal, then I would copy the ENTIRE contents of vcaa because you never know what B is going to ask for next. Better to fill it up with crap you MIGHT not need than to have to go back to A and undergo another Ordeal just for one stupid dependency. |
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19:58.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Li... oh |
19:58.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually there's stuff like apt-zip and apt-offline and we have factoids for them |
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20:02.46 | tripkin | Hello, I would like to get my Canon Lide-220 working with my Deb8 install. I have sane 1.0.24, but research says I need 1.0.25. It is not in the current package list, so I downloaded the source from the sid repository and installed that. Xsane and scanimage could not find the scanner. I eventually uninstalled 1.0.25. What do I need to do to get this installed and running properly? Can anyone help? |
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20:05.22 | sm00th | tripkin, what command did you use to try and find the scanner? |
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20:05.45 | sm00th | and do you see it with lsusb? |
20:06.05 | sm00th | or is it network device? |
20:06.27 | tripkin | I see it fine with lsusb, and sane-find-scanner will see it if I run it as root |
20:06.33 | tripkin | sudo... |
20:06.39 | sm00th | oh so maybe a permission issue |
20:07.11 | sm00th | is there a scanner group? |
20:07.13 | tripkin | My bad! sane-find-scanner: found USB scanner (vendor=0x04a9 [Canon], product=0x190f [CanoScan], chip=GL848+) at libusb:001:002 |
20:07.19 | sm00th | maybe you gotta add your username to it |
20:07.25 | tripkin | Sees it fine as a user. I am part of the scanner group. |
20:07.50 | tripkin | It just couldn't open the non-scanner usb devices... |
20:08.05 | jim | Hi, I'm looking to get in touch with a dd named Daniel Baumann,,, is he still a dd? |
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20:08.28 | sm00th | tripkind what do you mean non-scanner? you mean to print? |
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20:09.26 | tripkin | sm00th, non-scanner = drives, mouse, keyboard, etc. |
20:09.37 | iLogic | hey guys, iâm getting that LC_ALL=(unset) problem and most solutions of dpkg reconfigure etc dont work.. is there a problem to setting it on /etc/enviroment? or should I just export it on .bashrc ? |
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20:10.11 | sm00th | tripkin, i'm sorry man i'm confused I thought you were trying to scan and print. |
20:10.19 | jim | anyone who would like to respond, please highlight me so I can notice... thanks |
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20:10.34 | greycat | iLogic: https://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
20:10.55 | tripkin | sm00th, my currently installed sane-utils is version 1.0.24-8+deb8u1, which does not recognize the 220, but the 1.0.25 driver does. It is just not available in the repos for Debian Jessie. |
20:11.28 | tripkin | I would like to scan, my printer is already set up and working. |
20:11.37 | tripkin | Different devices. |
20:12.01 | sm00th | I see, so you already installed the 1.0.25, or is that what you trying to figure out how to do? |
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20:12.43 | iLogic | greycat: so I shouldnt set it? |
20:12.44 | sm00th | or did you install that and now find the scanner, but cannot scan yet? |
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20:13.37 | greycat | iLogic: What is your desired locale, and how did you GET TO the places where you are now? Are you logged into a single Debian system directly from a console? Are you ssh'ed in? Are you in a VM? A chroot? Did you login by gdm3? lightdm? |
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20:13.55 | greycat | iLogic: Why is your locale not set? |
20:14.16 | greycat | iLogic: why are you messing with LC_ALL? |
20:15.03 | sm00th | tripkin, also add saned to scanner group, and add saned and user to lp group too just in case. |
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20:15.28 | tripkin | sm00th, already done! |
20:15.39 | sm00th | tripkin, so what exactly is the issue you are having. |
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20:17.35 | iLogic | greycat: sorry about that, only happens when I ssh from a mac |
20:17.36 | tripkin | When I run a scanning app, the scanner is not detected. This is because it is not supported under sane-utils 1.0.24. Support was added in 1.0.25, so I am looking for help to upgrade to that. |
20:17.53 | greycat | Is your MAC client setting LC_ALL=""? |
20:18.01 | sm00th | tripkin, ahh ok so you didn't install that yet. greycat can probably help you with that. |
20:18.08 | sm00th | greycat, ^ |
20:18.25 | greycat | ,v sane-utils |
20:18.26 | judd | Package: sane-utils on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0.21-9; squeeze-backports: 1.0.22-3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.0.22-7.4; jessie: 1.0.24-8+deb8u1; stretch: 1.0.25-2+b1; sid: 1.0.25-2+b1; experimental: 1.0.26~git20151121-1 |
20:18.36 | greycat | ,checkbackport sane-utils |
20:18.46 | judd | Backporting package sane-utils in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, archignore, virtual. |
20:18.54 | sm00th | tripkin, so the install from sid source file didn't work? |
20:18.59 | greycat | You should be able to build your own backport of stretch's sane-utils according to judd. |
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20:19.12 | greycat | Or of sid's; they're the same. |
20:19.52 | tripkin | The sid source file installed it, and when I did a version check using sane-config after the install, it showed. But the utils still didn't see it, even after a reboot. |
20:20.09 | sm00th | tripkin, you said the see it only under sudo though correct? |
20:20.10 | ahcihdd | Hi, everyone. I have a SATA disk which was connected in AHCI mode to a workstation running Jessie. Workstation motherboard just died and I need to retrieve data from the hard drive. I currently have the disk connected to a USB HDD docking station, but it seems that the docking station is operating in IDE mode. Is there a way I could possibly mount that hard drive to retrieve the important data/files? |
20:20.23 | sm00th | tripkin, so is it just a permission issue then? |
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20:20.56 | tripkin | sm00th, I can see it without being root/sudo. |
20:21.06 | sm00th | tripkin, i'm confused again man. |
20:21.10 | greycat | tripkin: you BUILT a BACKPORT from the sid SOURCE, right? And then you installed the deb file(s) that were created by the backport procedure? You would know. This is not a trivial thing. |
20:21.37 | ahcihdd | I downloaded Jessie/Live and have it on a flash drive, but attempts to mount the HDD from the docking station result in wrong FS type message, due to HDD access mode being different from AHCI. |
20:21.57 | tripkin | greycat, I did not build a backport, I just did the ./configure, make, sudo make install route as described in INSTALL. |
20:22.15 | greycat | You build UPSTREAM source code and installed it in /usr/local? |
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20:22.33 | greycat | If so then you probably need to remove the Debian package. |
20:22.36 | tripkin | greycat, that was what I did, and where it installed. |
20:23.17 | tripkin | If I remove the debian package, it wants to take out a lot of stuff including libsane and a pile of packages. Is this normal? |
20:23.32 | greycat | This is why I would have built a backport instead. |
20:24.03 | tripkin | Gotcha. Where can I find the backport instructions, or will google pop them up if I search for debian backport? |
20:24.11 | greycat | !simple sid backport |
20:24.11 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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20:24.40 | greycat | I think "simple" was meant to be ironic or something.... |
20:24.46 | tripkin | LOL |
20:24.48 | sm00th | lol |
20:25.03 | tripkin | I will give the dpkg instructions a run... |
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20:35.04 | leba2 | TomTomTosch: what was the package I was to search for the standard system utilities issue? |
20:35.33 | greycat | 14:45 TomTomTosch> aptitude search ~pstandard |
20:36.03 | leba2 | Thanks sir. |
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20:39.01 | leba2 | Er... what's "apt" and what's "aptitude"? Or what's the difference? |
20:39.13 | greycat | aptitude is some crazy complicated package that some people use |
20:39.30 | leba2 | Ah, the "interface" one |
20:39.33 | greycat | apt-get is much older and more widespread |
20:39.41 | leba2 | And perhaps more direct to use. |
20:39.48 | sm00th | greycat, lol |
20:39.51 | greycat | "apt" is a newer thing, attempting to reconcile the two interfaces of apt-get and apt-cache... not quite successfully yet.... |
20:39.55 | leba2 | (I was biasing for it anyways) |
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20:40.20 | TomTomTosch | i like the search syntax of aptitude, it's rather powerful. |
20:40.29 | leba2 | Wait, so for searching I use aptitude or apt? |
20:40.36 | blawiz | how can i exclude file foo.otl in 'grep --exclude-from=/BACKUP/sys/wgrep-symlinks --exclude=foo.otl "$@" /BACKUP/wiki/*' ? |
20:40.57 | greycat | If you want a complete answer, read "man apt" and "man apt-get" and "man apt-cache" and "man aptitude" (after installing it) and see what they all do. |
20:41.16 | leba2 | ok |
20:42.32 | greycat | blawiz: if I'm reading this man page right, you would include foo.otl in your list of globs in the /BACKUP/sys/wgrep-symlinks file. Or in another --exclude-from file. Or in an --exclude argument. |
20:42.39 | tripkin | greycat, there is a libsane 1.0.25 in backports, but with backports in my sources list, "aptitude -t jessie-backports install libsane" did not install anything. |
20:42.52 | leba2 | Oooohhhh, so dbus is included in pstandard. I remember with an absolute minimal Debian core install dbus was missing therefore systemd commands (-ctl ones) didn't work |
20:43.04 | greycat | tripkin: judd does not believe you |
20:43.12 | tripkin | I have done an aptitude show libsane, which definitely shows libsane 1.0.24 as being installed. |
20:43.26 | tripkin | greycat, I get it. <grin> |
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20:44.05 | blawiz | greycat: ye i was trying the --exclude=foo.otl but doesnt seem to work |
20:44.29 | sm00th | tripkin, so you didn't do that dpkg method from sid sources? |
20:44.52 | tripkin | No, I am doing it now since backports didn't work. |
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20:45.47 | leba2 | So, even if I want to start from a minimal Debian installation, is it still convenient to at least install this "standard system utilities"? |
20:45.53 | leba2 | Not just the pure core? |
20:46.01 | greycat | Sure. |
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20:47.30 | leba2 | Then, if I may ask without being scolded, why is it that there's the checkable/uncheckable option for "standard system utilities" in d-i? |
20:47.38 | leba2 | As if telling "this is still optional dude" |
20:47.46 | greycat | because some people don't even want the standard utilities. they want the ABSOLUTE bare mininum. |
20:47.58 | greycat | You asked "is it convenient" and I said "sure". |
20:48.29 | leba2 | So unlike Centos and other distros, Debian guys do consider this (rather rare?) scenario... |
20:49.36 | croddy | "the universal operating system" |
20:50.06 | leba2 | hhhoooooooo |
20:50.25 | leba2 | It sure is difficult to adapt to such flexibility level |
20:50.36 | greycat | Just do what you want. |
20:51.02 | leba2 | ^ Yes, yes, but I have always known freedom comes with a price. |
20:51.11 | leba2 | In this case, *knowledge*. |
20:51.28 | croddy | if you don't know/care, leave the defaults set. when the time comes to change things, you will know which things and why. |
20:52.11 | leba2 | Thanks again. |
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21:15.28 | Egyptian[Web] | hi - i am trying to install a very specific version of the kernel. and i got the apt-cache output -> https://thepb.in/p/X6hBPprPww6h3 and then i tried to install it and got this error -> https://thepb.in/p/DRhjLgGLgoWfy pls advise what the version should be .. or the command syntax if i got it wrong |
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21:16.57 | Egyptian[Web] | https://thepb.in/p/Elh18R5gyEohm <- with different syntax for version string |
21:17.26 | jhutchins | Egyptian[Web]: Have you done an aptitude update? |
21:17.38 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
21:17.39 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc4-686-pae (4.7~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.3-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.3-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1) |
21:17.55 | leba2 | A "normal" Debian installation (i.e., selecting just Install or Graphical install) does enable shadow passwords by default, doesn't it? |
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21:18.16 | jhutchins | leba2: True of all major distributions these days. |
21:18.52 | jhutchins | leba2: The defaults are pretty sane and will give you a system that will allow you to learn what you might want to change and how. |
21:19.37 | Egyptian[Web] | jhutchins: apt-get update? yes |
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21:27.31 | tripkin | sm00th, I see that greycat has logged off, but I wanted to thank you both for your help - that install process from source worked like a charm! Now, to write it all down in case I have to replicate it in the future... |
21:28.45 | sm00th | tripkin, lol ya i didn't it once too and couldn't remember it, but tks to greycat I now i can come here and type !sid simple backport lol |
21:28.56 | sm00th | !sid simple backport |
21:29.03 | sm00th | oh wait...lol |
21:29.13 | tripkin | lol |
21:29.38 | tripkin | ,sid simple backport |
21:29.44 | tripkin | nope, not that either... |
21:30.00 | sm00th | !simple sid backport |
21:30.00 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
21:30.04 | sm00th | there we go :) |
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21:30.16 | tripkin | Yup! |
21:30.25 | tripkin | That is going in the notes! |
21:30.37 | iLogic | what? i missed it! |
21:30.47 | iLogic | is it going in the tests? |
21:30.48 | sm00th | lol |
21:31.11 | iLogic | pass it on, bro |
21:31.14 | tripkin | Spot quiz in 10 minutes. Good luck! |
21:31.15 | TomTomTosch | tripkin: /msg dpkg simple sid backport to do it privately. |
21:31.39 | tripkin | Perfect, thanks TomTomTosch ! |
21:31.46 | leba2 | When installing base system, I'm shown "available kernels" to install. 3 options: linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 , linux-image-amd64 , none. But this is strange. Why am I being given 2 kernel options, one with version and one version-less? |
21:32.30 | TomTomTosch | leba2: the version less is just a meta-package. it pulls linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64. so you only have the option of one... |
21:34.24 | leba2 | Well, now that I think about it, this "meta-package" was the one highlighted by default. |
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21:35.34 | leba2 | Still, and if I may ask just for curiosity, why this... "mechanism" of kernel selection in expert installation? Why to put kind of a "symlink" to the same one package? |
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21:40.36 | leba2 | ? |
21:40.58 | TomTomTosch | the meta package just makes it easy to upgrade to a different release. |
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21:41.27 | leba2 | ............ |
21:42.11 | TomTomTosch | i might be wrong but i think if you install linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 manually it might not get upgraded to the next kernel version on upgrade to the next stable. |
21:42.31 | TomTomTosch | so go with the generic meta package. |
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21:43.14 | leba2 | Yes, I was meditating about that. |
21:43.59 | TomTomTosch | this decision is rather trivial. go with the default.. |
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21:44.05 | leba2 | A normal default installation normally uses a generic initrd (all available drivers), right? |
21:44.41 | klys | I downloaded some Xorg sources and patched in my touchscreen driver...to /usr/src/xorg-server-1.18.3/hw/dmx/input/etouch and then built...Xdmx with my new driver sources. It took a day or so of programming to upgrade and successfully compile the sources. So now I see that I have "Xdmx" instead of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/etouch_drv.so and am not sure how to fetch sources to compile into that instead. also, perhaps Xdmx is broken in debian, it freezes my p |
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21:45.54 | leba2 | A normal default installation normally uses a generic initrd (all available drivers), right? |
21:45.57 | leba2 | (ouch) |
21:46.09 | klys | leba2, mkinitrd |
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21:49.18 | klys | *OP |
21:49.30 | klys | sry dropped my kbd |
21:50.01 | jhutchins | klys: We usually blame the cat. |
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21:50.46 | leba2 | Maybe he's sincere. |
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21:52.56 | leba2 | I know I was already explained about software and external repos in Debian (i.e., *big* set of software included in many disks or default Debian repos in order to not have to add 3rd party repos and make Debian a Frankendebian). |
21:53.02 | leba2 | Yet, I found this https://wiki.debian.org/UnofficialRepositories |
21:53.36 | klys | that used to be apt-get.org, iirc. |
21:53.40 | leba2 | And it has a big point: how would one install all the needed multimedia stuff for a desktop usage if they cannot be shipped due to proprietary? |
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21:55.11 | leba2 | I remember other distros (e.g., openSUSE) have unofficial repos (though within their opensuse domain) for multimedia, mozilla, wine, nvidia/ati drivers... |
21:55.23 | leba2 | Does this apply to Debian as well? |
21:55.47 | leba2 | I'd like to try Debian as normal desktop with games some day... |
21:56.17 | TomTomTosch | debian has non-free for stuff like steam. |
21:56.25 | TomTomTosch | !tell leba2 about non-free |
21:57.11 | axc1298 | leba2: mozilla is free/open source |
21:57.51 | axc1298 | their software is in the main debian repo |
21:58.15 | axc1298 | same with wine |
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22:00.12 | leba2 | Can you tell me how to speak to dpkg? I do want to try asking it doubts about non-free and "external project" packages (i.e., precisely what I just mentioned: multimedia codecs and stuff, graphics drivers, recent versions of mozilla and wine, etc). |
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22:00.58 | klys | how would one unpack and compile this file: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-input-keyboard/xserver-xorg-input-keyboard_1.8.1.orig.tar.gz (with the accompanying diff applied using patch) ? |
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22:01.42 | klys | I think it has some relationship to the xserver-xorg sources. I don't see any source files in the tarbzll. |
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22:03.19 | TomTomTosch | leba2: dpkg is just a parrot. a dictionary if you will. no talking going on. |
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22:04.13 | TomTomTosch | and an internet search is probably more reliably in most cases. |
22:04.23 | TomTomTosch | s/reliably/reliable |
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22:09.12 | leba2 | https://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs So if I installed say a GNOME desktop, most likely basic multimedia codecs would already be installed? Or better install MPlayer to ensure? |
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22:09.53 | klys | leba2, gstreamer |
22:11.27 | zxcvce | @leba2 vlc |
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22:14.18 | klys | do I need an upstream Xorg tree or can debian sources do this (compile input drivers) for me? |
22:14.43 | zxcvce | ubuntu |
22:14.47 | zxcvce | sux |
22:14.55 | zxcvce | quit |
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22:27.15 | klys | ok I found the sources in /usr/src/input/xf86-input-keyboard-1.8.1 so I did ./configure --prefix=/usr and found the result in ./src/.libs/kbd_drv.so just that this file is substantially bigger than /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/kbd_drv.so |
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22:38.31 | GeMiNniS | bye |
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22:38.44 | SpikeSpiegel | is it a good idea to run debian sid (unstable) in production ? |
22:40.08 | themill | SpikeSpiegel: definitely not |
22:40.37 | SpikeSpiegel | themill, ok thanks. btw are you familiar with grsec ? |
22:41.06 | themill | only superficially |
22:41.08 | SpikeSpiegel | im trying to use latest grsec with the stable jessie, but there doesnt seem to be any grsec 4.6 kernel for jessie... |
22:41.43 | SpikeSpiegel | yes no problem themill i wont ask for specific config issues there anyway. i just want to know where can i get the stable jessie patched with 4.6 kernel grsec version |
22:41.55 | themill | ,i linux-patch-grsecurity2 |
22:41.59 | judd | Package linux-patch-grsecurity2 (kernel, extra) in jessie/amd64: grsecurity kernel patch. Version: 3.0+3.14.22-201410250026-1; Size: 3025.9k; Installed: 3054k; Homepage: http://www.grsecurity.net/ |
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22:44.00 | SpikeSpiegel | yes themill thats if i have to compile the kernel myself. which is proving to be a challenge because i've had kernel panics three times on a virtual box. but im talking about installing grsec from apt-get if there is a way |
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22:44.52 | leba2 | I'm reading https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list , but I don't understand one thing: what's the difference between distributions jessie/updates and jessie-updates? |
22:44.56 | klys | see if grsecurity.net has a deb repo, if not then you have to go upstream. |
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22:46.22 | SpikeSpiegel | ok thanks |
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22:47.40 | manjaro | hi all |
22:47.59 | klys | welcome to... |
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22:49.20 | leba2 | Nevermind; found it. Thanks. |
22:49.29 | leba2 | (I HATE the number 9!) |
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22:56.06 | manjaro | exit |
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23:00.18 | leba2 | If jessie/updates and jessie-updates are precisely used for that, *package updates*, how is it that I can install software only with jessie/updates enabled? For example, samba. I did a minimal Debian install, and I already disabled the cdrom repo... |
23:00.30 | leba2 | Heck, I can even apt-cache search wine! |
23:01.45 | themill | why wouldn't you be able to? |
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23:04.05 | leba2 | Dunno, perhaps because "updates" should be for packages already installed in system? While jessie distribution should be indeed for newly installed packages? |
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23:04.22 | miesco | ,v gpg2 |
23:04.23 | judd | No package named 'gpg2' was found in amd64. |
23:04.26 | miesco | ,v gpg |
23:04.27 | judd | No package named 'gpg' was found in amd64. |
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23:04.33 | miesco | oh I see |
23:04.49 | leba2 | And if I'm wrong, what's the point in having 3 different distros in sources list? |
23:04.53 | themill | leba2: the remote repo doesn't know what packages you have installed on your local machine |
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23:05.07 | leba2 | No, I'm *heavily* confused..... |
23:05.10 | miesco | ,v gnupg |
23:05.11 | judd | Package: gnupg on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.4.10-4+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 1.4.10-4+squeeze4; squeeze-security-lts: 1.4.10-4+squeeze7; wheezy-security: 1.4.12-7+deb7u7; wheezy: 1.4.12-7+deb7u7; jessie: 1.4.18-7+deb8u1; stretch: 1.4.20-6; sid: 1.4.20-6; experimental: 2.1.13-5 |
23:05.33 | miesco | ,v gnupg2 |
23:05.34 | judd | Package: gnupg2 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.0.14-2+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 2.0.14-2+squeeze2; squeeze-security-lts: 2.0.14-2+squeeze3; wheezy-security: 2.0.19-2+deb7u2; wheezy: 2.0.19-2+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 2.0.25-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.0.26-6; stretch: 2.1.11-7; sid: 2.1.11-7; experimental: 2.1.12-1; experimental: 2.1.13-5 |
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23:05.38 | miesco | I need gnupg 2.1 |
23:06.09 | miesco | I guess thats not possible |
23:06.37 | TomTomTosch | leba2: why? all those repos have packages. jessie-updates has newer packages. the security repo has newer packages with security fixes. if you disable one repo you don't get packages from _that_ repo. |
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23:09.06 | TomTomTosch | ,checkbackport gnupg2 |
23:09.16 | judd | Backporting package gnupg2 in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libassuan-dev (>= 2.4.1);Build-Depends-Indep: libassuan-mingw-w64-dev, libgcrypt-mingw-w64-dev, libgpg-error-mingw-w64-dev, libksba-mingw-w64-dev, libnpth-mingw-w64-dev, libz-mingw-w64-dev, win-iconv-mingw-w64-dev. |
23:10.16 | TomTomTosch | nope. |
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23:39.04 | awal1 | Does debian really have around 1000 developers/maintainers? |
23:39.45 | johnkeates | yes |
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23:40.15 | awal1 | Thats a f***g gnu/linux army :D |
23:40.26 | themill | about double that |
23:40.59 | awal1 | that's really a lot ;) |
23:41.17 | klys | . |
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23:42.20 | awal1 | and all of them working for free bcoz of X reason; and some people crying here why I no have x y |
23:42.43 | themill | Plus there's lots of other contributors to send in translations, test out things, provide support on mailing lists and irc etc. |
23:43.43 | awal1 | no easy to supervise/coordinate such big project |
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23:47.50 | awal1 | i'm bored bcoz of debian system stability, even the sid branch :P |
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