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00:00.41 | ska | judd: thanks.. awa11: thanks.. I just don't want to wander far of the supported map. |
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00:01.26 | awal1 | dpkg: tell ska about bots |
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00:04.04 | ska | awa11: no need. I just didn't realize it was a bot. |
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00:06.17 | TomTomTosch | it's not unusual to use the kernel in jessie-backports. did you have problems with the default kernel? |
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00:10.09 | TomTomTosch | the usbnet module is included in the 3.16 kernel. i never had problems with that one. |
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00:14.10 | sypher | Is there a way to tell what the default state of a systemd unit is (enabled or disabled)? |
00:14.44 | sypher | As in, can I tell if a systemd unit was enabled or disabled initially when the package that installed it was first installed? |
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00:23.36 | RippyDippy | <PROTECTED> |
00:23.43 | RippyDippy | nvidia 970 drivers? |
00:25.05 | RippyDippy | and yes I have gone through the wiki and downloaded the non-free driver |
00:25.21 | RippyDippy | I think noveau isn't blacklisted though |
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00:29.40 | andril | o/ |
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00:30.33 | Akuw | please url to learn to debelop apps in for shell, something like aptitude with menus |
00:32.09 | Akuw | s/debelop/develop |
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00:46.25 | tokage | Akuw: wat? |
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00:52.12 | LambdaComplex | Akuw: wat? |
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00:53.29 | LambdaComplex | Akuw: if i'm deciphering what you asked correctly, you should probably look into the dialog command |
00:53.54 | LambdaComplex | which is used to create ncurses TUIs in shell scripts |
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01:26.15 | kale | hi, i am experiencing a strange problem. when my laptop reaches 5 minutes untoched, the screen is blanked. when i press a key it asks for user/pass. This is not xscreensaver, but looks like its lightdm. i only need to enter username to get back to my desktop. any idea on how i can disable this? |
01:27.01 | somiaj | kale: I don't think a display manager will lock the screen, but there are various locking tools. |
01:27.05 | somiaj | kale: what desktop are you using? |
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01:27.22 | kale | xfce |
01:27.55 | kale | my system has not always done this, it has shown up resently |
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01:28.37 | sm00th | on my kde its in display settings, i forget where on xfce but somewhere similar. |
01:28.58 | sm00th | there is always option to lock screen even without screensaver, but settings are in the same place. |
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01:31.29 | kale | sm00th: seems you were right, there is a "lock screen when system hibernates" ... new functionaly to me, buth thanks for the hint |
01:32.21 | somiaj | seems it uses xflock4 |
01:33.07 | sm00th | why does my juk player play each track at the fullest volume |
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01:34.00 | kale | i'll try to keep my hands off the systemfo fo the next 5 minutes and see what happens |
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01:38.29 | sm00th | wwok now its not doing it weird. |
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01:51.32 | cheapie | Well, one of my computers is being strange again. It's crashing (hard reboot, not a kernel panic or normal reboot) every 2-3 minutes. It doesn't do it when booted from a live CD. Any ideas? |
01:52.28 | cheapie | ("live CD" actually meaning network boot in this case, but that should be irrelevant) |
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01:52.51 | kale | cheapie: try reading from the harddrive |
01:53.02 | cheapie | kale: OK, one moment. |
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01:54.30 | cheapie | kale: "dd if=/dev/nvme0n1 of=/dev/null bs=4M" is running fine, no crashes yet. |
01:54.48 | cheapie | Almost halfway done. |
01:55.43 | sm00th | do a smartctl scan |
01:55.53 | kale | check /proc/cmdline perhaps you find some intersting parameters used on the livecd |
01:56.13 | cheapie | sm00th: smartctl doesn't support NVMe drives. |
01:57.44 | sm00th | really? lol |
01:57.45 | cheapie | kale: Nothing unusual there, and when booting from the drive it's set to only give it a root=/dev/nvme0n1p3 option. |
01:58.03 | cheapie | sm00th: ATA (PATA/SATA) and SCSI only. |
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01:58.31 | sm00th | i see |
01:58.33 | cheapie | Meanwhile, the whole drive has now been read, no crashes there. |
01:58.43 | sm00th | that kind of sucks. |
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01:59.13 | cheapie | I did check the health log recently, and it was fine. |
01:59.40 | sm00th | so this just recently started happening, but it was fine for a while before that? |
02:00.10 | kale | what about power usage? could it be your PSU cannot keep up? |
02:00.35 | cheapie | I suspect that there's a bad kernel module of some sort being loaded, as this just started happening after I was using the box as an iSCSI initiator (which I had to install the daemon for). |
02:00.56 | cheapie | kale: 660W, only using 350W peak at the wall. |
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02:01.26 | cheapie | And yes, it was fine until recently. |
02:01.40 | kale | cheapie: chroot into the installation and disable this new service |
02:01.48 | cheapie | (sorry about the slow typing - not used to QWERTY) |
02:02.09 | cheapie | kale: I don't know which packages/daemons got installed. |
02:02.19 | sm00th | check apt history |
02:02.33 | cheapie | sm00th: How do I do that? |
02:02.44 | sm00th | <PROTECTED> |
02:02.48 | sm00th | history.log file |
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02:03.14 | cheapie | looks |
02:05.17 | cheapie | All I see in there that I haven't removed yet is sg3-utils. I'll try that. |
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02:08.37 | cheapie | Looks like there was also an "iscsid" running. I stopped and disabled that. |
02:08.44 | sm00th | ah |
02:08.58 | cheapie | tests it |
02:08.59 | sm00th | find out what mods it installs them rmmode them |
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02:14.13 | cheapie | Still crashes with iscsid disabled and no iscsi-related modules loaded. I'll try purging open-iscsi. |
02:14.57 | cheapie | Rebooted after purging open-iscsi, now to see what happens... |
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02:15.33 | cheapie | Crashed. |
02:16.34 | cheapie | picks Memtest86+ from the netboot menu and lets that run for a bit |
02:17.09 | sm00th | if it dont' crash on network boot like kale i would think hdd or psu |
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02:18.12 | cheapie | I'm tempted to just reinstall the OS at this point. |
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02:23.50 | sm00th | cheapie, try a diff kernel |
02:25.08 | cheapie | sm00th: Already did. |
02:26.02 | cheapie | reboots it with the video card driver blacklisted |
02:26.43 | cheapie | Still crashes. |
02:27.48 | Strife89 | Evening, folks. I'm having an odd audio issue in Debian testing - audio through HDMI doesn't work unless I have suspended the machine at least once during the session. |
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02:29.00 | cheapie | I think I'll just reinstall at this point... |
02:29.53 | Strife89 | I'm not exactly keen on doing a suspend-unsuspend cycle everytime I cold boot the machine, and thus far this has proven to be a difficult issue to research. That said, the only thing I've tried is restarting PulseAudio (via --kill and --start), which didn't work. Any ideas? |
02:31.24 | sm00th | unplug and plug back hdmi? |
02:32.19 | Strife89 | Also probably viable, I'd have to do that every time I reboot the machine as well. |
02:32.45 | Pwnna | how can i remove the init system package completely? |
02:32.48 | Pwnna | i'm inside a chroot |
02:32.53 | Pwnna | i want to minimize the image size |
02:33.10 | Strife89 | I know that audio over HDMI works properly in other Debian-based distros - Mint, at least. |
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02:34.57 | sm00th | ya surround sound controls for me work much better in ubuntu and mint as well. |
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02:38.02 | Strife89 | sm00th: Heh, I'm not even asking for surround sound. It's a single HDMI cable going from my GFX card to a TV, which is the only display attached to the machine; and the TV's hooked up to a 2.0 stereo. |
02:38.53 | Strife89 | I *can* use VGA + analog audio, but I have another device hooked up through that and would prefer not to do further cable wrangling. |
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02:40.36 | sm00th | Strife89, i know just commenting |
02:41.19 | sm00th | have you tried unplugging and plugging it just to see if thats part of the issue? |
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02:42.06 | RippyDippy | hey, can anyone give me hand with these nvidia drivers? |
02:42.12 | RippyDippy | I seem to be missing somethign |
02:43.02 | sm00th | RippyDippy, you tried this ? https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
02:43.14 | RippyDippy | sm00th: Yes. Many times |
02:43.43 | Strife89 | sm00th: Oh, that does work, actually. |
02:43.47 | RippyDippy | sm00th: So far, I've tried the backports legacy driver and the non backports driver. |
02:43.48 | sm00th | RippyDippy, whats wrong? |
02:43.56 | RippyDippy | I have a 970.. if that is important |
02:44.08 | sm00th | RippyDippy, what is the problems you are having? |
02:44.38 | RippyDippy | sm00th: I follow the instructions, only when I reboot, the nvidia driver doesnt take affect. |
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02:45.27 | sm00th | RippyDippy, how do you know? |
02:45.31 | Strife89 | RippyDippy: You may need to make sure you install and run nvidia-xconfig |
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02:45.47 | Strife89 | I missed that bit on my last attempt. |
02:45.48 | sm00th | RippyDippy, or create the xorg file manually |
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02:46.05 | RippyDippy | sm00th: I believe that is what I had to do the last time |
02:46.26 | sm00th | RippyDippy, https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure |
02:47.39 | RippyDippy | sm00th: I'll reboot and see if that does the trick. |
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02:54.40 | Strife89 | sm00th: Shoot, unplugging and reconnection the HDMI cable isn't even a good short-term fix. I fired up a game, changed the resolution settings, and promptly lost audio across the system. |
02:54.54 | sm00th | dsweird |
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02:55.11 | sm00th | Strife89, have yout ried the backport kernel? |
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02:55.57 | Strife89 | Well, uh. There's a backport from Sid to testing? |
02:56.12 | sm00th | oh you are on testing? |
02:56.20 | Strife89 | Yep. |
02:58.15 | ZeuxBlack | is back from: $null - was away for: 2427wks 3days 1hr 58mins 6secs |
02:58.19 | sm00th | not sure what to tell you keep asking someone else will help |
02:58.26 | sypher | !testing |
02:58.27 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
02:58.36 | sypher | This isn't quite the right forum for testing support. |
02:58.57 | sm00th | <PROTECTED> |
02:58.59 | Strife89 | I tried to join #debian-next before; seems I need to be invited. |
02:59.12 | sypher | Strife89: #debian-next isn't on Freenode. As stated, it's on the OFTC network. |
02:59.14 | Strife89 | ... and that's still the case |
02:59.16 | Strife89 | Ah. |
02:59.27 | kale | heh ... /join #debian-next threw me in here :-) |
02:59.30 | Strife89 | Sorry, skimmed over that bit. |
02:59.38 | sm00th | kale, lol |
02:59.44 | sypher | Strife89: I expect you'll find much more relevant information there. :) |
03:00.32 | Strife89 | sm00th: Linux 4.6.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.6.2-2 (2016-06-25) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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03:00.43 | sm00th | Strife89, ah ok |
03:02.12 | sm00th | maybe Strife89 so it worked when you replugged it, but didnt' work when you ran an app? |
03:02.28 | sm00th | Strife89, i know in kde you have to select preferred audio settings maybe something similar for you? |
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03:02.44 | sm00th | still doesn't solve issue of why you have to replug it after boot though |
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03:03.21 | sypher | sm00th: As stated, this isn't the correct forum for this. Not trying to diminish the assistance you're trying to provide, but there's probably much more helpful resources in #debian-next@oftc. |
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03:03.36 | sm00th | lol you're probably right. |
03:03.49 | Strife89 | sm00th: Well, I'm running MATE and whatever comes with it (PulseAudio GUI, I think?) and I believe I do have to select it specifically. I had to in Mint. |
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03:04.43 | Strife89 | sypher: I've posted my question there and am waiting for a response. Sorry for the continued chatter on this |
03:05.10 | sypher | Strife89: No worries! Just trying to help get stuff sorted out. |
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03:06.56 | Strife89 | It does bug the mess out of me, though. I use this desktop for gaming (Steam, emulation) and watching movies. |
03:07.27 | sm00th | Strife89, most people here dont' even use a desktop gui lmao. |
03:07.46 | Strife89 | Been running Mint for a while, but I've been running testing on my laptop for a while, and since Mint 18 is now out, I've been wanting to make a change - figured I might as well go back to Debian on the desktop. |
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03:08.05 | sm00th | Strife89, I hear ya. |
03:08.20 | sm00th | Debian is more trustworthy I feel. |
03:09.21 | Strife89 | sm00th: Heh, I was raised on Windows (by necessity). I've grown to enjoy the CLI, but not enough to ditch GUIs. I'm still not really comfortable without a DE in place. |
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03:10.41 | sm00th | Strife89, me neither It just looks nice. |
03:11.07 | sm00th | I use to be all into security. but now I don't care anymore. |
03:11.18 | sypher | Heh. Security is my job. |
03:11.25 | sm00th | sypher, oh ya? |
03:12.49 | sm00th | sypher, feels like an illusion to me nowadays. I don't wanna give up what I like to do with my pc anymore. So i just do the basics and say screw it now. |
03:13.01 | sypher | I'm a security architect. |
03:13.08 | sypher | For lack of a better term, at least. |
03:13.13 | sm00th | I don't even know what that means lol |
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03:13.46 | sypher | Essentially, I'm an enterprise systems architect with a major focus on security design. |
03:14.09 | sm00th | cool |
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03:14.41 | Strife89 | sypher: Nice. Sounds like difficult work. |
03:15.02 | kale | i'd rathe be a lumber jack |
03:15.50 | sm00th | oh wow an amazon kindle server just got hacked lol |
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03:15.59 | sypher | Almost all of my clients are companies that fall under SEC regulation or some other financial regulation. |
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03:17.22 | sm00th | sypher, ah, I see now. |
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03:17.50 | nokt | I still fail to set up my home network |
03:19.05 | sm00th | nokt, what do u mean? |
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03:19.48 | nokt | I mean sypher's job seems badass |
03:20.28 | sm00th | ya |
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03:20.55 | sm00th | I would love to work with computers. |
03:22.09 | sm00th | but I'm bad at math lmao |
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03:24.04 | sm00th | can't wait for the new Mr. Robot series. |
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03:43.23 | lxsameer | hey folks, how can i mark a package for NOT upgrading ? |
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03:48.19 | m5w | Hello. |
03:48.32 | m5w | no luck with Ubuntu either |
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03:49.05 | m5w | jhutchins: MemTest found no errors after several passes |
03:49.58 | m5w | to reiterate: my problem is that I can't get gparted or debian netinst to boot on either uefi of legacy |
03:50.12 | m5w | and now not ubuntu either |
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03:50.44 | m5w | nomodeset seems to make some difference on gparted, but it still won't boot |
03:50.55 | m5w | even on "failsafe" lol |
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03:52.31 | m5w | on gparted, I see `BAR 6: failed to assign [mem size 0x00080000 pref] |
03:52.56 | m5w | and a bunch of stuff about PCI |
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03:54.34 | somiaj | m5w: so the live images aren't booting? |
03:55.41 | m5w | somiaj: I get to grub, but after that it either blackscreens or spits out some messages and doesn't proceed |
03:56.26 | somiaj | m5w: and this is with live images? |
03:56.40 | m5w | somiaj: yes |
03:56.45 | m5w | live USB |
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03:58.14 | Rusty1_ | m5w: all on the same usb device? |
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03:59.01 | m5w | Rusty1_: no, I used separate drives for each |
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04:00.53 | Rusty1_ | m5w: is the target known to be compatable with linux otherwise? |
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04:01.27 | m5w | Rusty1_: not sure, but I know there are drivers for all my hardware |
04:02.29 | m5w | nvidia has drivers; the QCA9377 has a driver available with a kernel backport, and the realtek NIC should be fine |
04:02.51 | m5w | (QCA9377 is wireless card) |
04:02.58 | Rusty1_ | aye |
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04:05.57 | Rusty1_ | m5w: have you tried appending noacpid to the boot stanza? |
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04:07.03 | ZeuxBlack | is back from: $null - was away for: 2427wks 3days 3hrs 6mins 59secs |
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04:10.24 | m5w | Rusty1_: appending that to failsafe doesn't help |
04:10.32 | m5w | I'll try on netinst |
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04:12.29 | m5w | Rusty1_: no luck on netinst; still a black screen |
04:12.51 | m5w | I'll try these both on UEFI |
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04:15.12 | m5w | Rusty1_: no luck on UEFI gparted |
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04:16.39 | m5w | Rusty1_: black screen on UEFI netinst |
04:16.45 | m5w | :\ |
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04:18.44 | m5w | perhaps I need to boot with an nvidia driver somehow? |
04:18.48 | Rusty1_ | m5w: secure boot disabled in bios? shouldnt matter |
04:19.55 | m5w | Rusty1_: yes; I've also tried ubuntu *with* secure boot and all .efi added and still no luck |
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04:21.54 | m5w | and again, MemTest passed |
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04:25.05 | Rusty1_ | m5w: if you cant bet any burned iso to boot , then a hardware anomoly is likely at fault, remove any non essential devices and try , otherwise i'm out of ideas |
04:25.17 | Rusty1_ | s/get/bet |
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06:42.47 | Package | Hello |
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06:43.09 | Package | I am trying to get the most recent copy of the repository "evince". I am getting a 404 not found. How can I install the repo without using sudo papt-ge update? |
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06:49.53 | plasmoduck | whats a good small pdf viewer? |
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06:51.46 | shadows | small? |
06:52.03 | plasmoduck | scrap that part |
06:52.15 | shadows | I'd use evince for viewing pdf |
06:52.26 | plasmoduck | I use awesome wm so something that will fit in nicely with it |
06:52.32 | shadows | I used to use Xpdf when there was no evince |
06:52.32 | plasmoduck | not something from kde or gnome |
06:53.01 | plasmoduck | thanks |
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06:55.42 | shadows | plasmoduck: or if you use chromium web browser that has decent buillt-in pdf support |
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06:59.25 | jmd` | I have an issue running /etc/init.d/nfs-common |
06:59.40 | jmd` | Is seems that it doesn't play nicely with systemd |
06:59.59 | jmd` | Specifically .. |
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07:00.57 | jmd` | /lib/lsb/init-functions.d/40-systemd seems to think it is a "masked" service and does nothing. |
07:01.24 | jmd` | What is a "masked" service? And how can I get nfs to work if systemd refuses to run it? |
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07:06.21 | plasmoduck | shadows, I'm a firefox man... Always have been, always will be ;-) |
07:07.00 | jmd` | plasmoduck: You must be a very young man then ... |
07:07.15 | plasmoduck | jmd`, why do you say that? |
07:07.23 | plasmoduck | I'm actually 32 |
07:07.33 | jmd` | Well filefox hasn't existed for 32 years. |
07:07.49 | plasmoduck | firefox |
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07:09.28 | plasmoduck | I started using Netscape, then Firefox |
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07:37.46 | nmouse | Hello all. I noticed that by default auditd is not included in Debian and that the CIS security benchmark recommends to install it. Is there a reason it is not included by default? Is there a different logging solution that is included by default? |
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07:51.30 | babilen | judd: v auditd |
07:51.31 | judd | Package: auditd on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.7.13-1+b2; wheezy: 1:1.7.18-1.1; jessie: 1:2.4-1+b1; stretch: 1:2.5.2-1; sid: 1:2.6.3-1 |
07:51.50 | babilen | nmouse: You can easily install it with "apt install auditd" |
07:53.22 | babilen | (very few packages are *always* installed as most are not really needed) |
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07:56.39 | nmouse | Thank you for the answers! |
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09:02.48 | MaxLanar | Hello, do you know of a way/programm to monitor network usage by process ? (wich program use what amount of upload/download bandwidth) on a debian box ? |
09:02.55 | MaxLanar | CLI welcome |
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09:06.00 | ven00m | MaxLanar: iftop |
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09:07.07 | dutchfish | MaxLanar, for long term monitoring have a peak at munin too |
09:07.31 | dutchfish | MaxLanar, it has graphing options as well |
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09:08.12 | MaxLanar | ven00m: I have iftop running right now but it don't display network usage by process (or I don't understand something or I don't know how to make it behave that way) |
09:10.09 | dutchfish | MaxLanar, if you just want to find the hogs, use nethogs |
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09:11.11 | dutchfish | MaxLanar, iptraf is another option |
09:11.51 | dutchfish | MaxLanar, nethogs display by pid/user the traffic stats |
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09:12.27 | MaxLanar | dutchfish: nethogs give me that "creating socket failed while establishing local IP - are you root?" :( |
09:12.37 | MaxLanar | (I am root of course) |
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09:14.33 | dutchfish | MaxLanar, i assume you are on Debian/Stable ? |
09:15.07 | anton02_ | anton02 |
09:16.09 | MaxLanar | dutchfish: cat /etc/debian_version |
09:16.09 | MaxLanar | 8.5 |
09:16.09 | MaxLanar | <PROTECTED> |
09:17.42 | dutchfish | MaxLanar, appears to be a known bug, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=824718 you could try the one from bpo. |
09:17.44 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/824718 in nethogs (open, patch): «nethogs remains broken in Jessie»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-05-19; last modified: 2016-05-25. |
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09:18.14 | MaxLanar | dutchfish: yeah I willdo that |
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09:24.31 | MaxLanar | dutchfish: the package from bpo is working well :) |
09:24.47 | dutchfish | MaxLanar, good to hear :) |
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09:53.12 | xormor | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as94OXa-Ab8 <--- my videolog: Presidents and wannabe Presidents of the USA |
09:54.36 | han-solo | GO! DONALD TRUMP!! |
09:54.40 | han-solo | :) |
09:54.54 | qmr | how is that remotely on topic |
09:55.03 | qmr | fuck your video log get the fuck out of here with that |
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09:55.53 | xormor | qmr, wrong channel |
09:56.03 | xormor | qmr, I tried to post in in ##politics |
09:56.09 | xormor | qmr, I just put it there. |
09:56.11 | qmr | carry on then |
09:56.29 | han-solo | :} |
09:56.33 | qmr | also you seem like one of those european types. I thought your ilk was all make believe |
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09:57.03 | qmr | han-solo: sadly he might be the best choice? :\ |
09:57.18 | han-solo | I would like to see something :) |
09:57.26 | han-solo | it's not that i'm against America |
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09:57.38 | han-solo | chaos! |
09:58.02 | han-solo | he's so stupid as his hair cut |
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10:05.15 | mikejw | I've broken my machine trying to upgrade to stretch |
10:05.46 | mikejw | "no sandbox user "_apt" |
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10:10.21 | babilen | mikejw: You typically want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable support. It would also be quite helpful if you could paste commands and their entire output to http://paste.debian.net |
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10:12.42 | doublehp | after 2 weeks, i did not received confirmation my bug was created ; what should i do ? |
10:12.49 | mikejw | babilen: says I must be invited |
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10:15.20 | mikejw | undefined symbon Perl_xs_apiversion_bootcheck |
10:15.26 | mikejw | *symbol |
10:16.59 | babilen | mikejw: The channel is on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) with the rest of the official Debian channels and not here on Freenode. |
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10:17.13 | mikejw | ah ok thanks |
10:17.29 | babilen | doublehp: Sounds as if it has not been received by the bug tracking system |
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10:34.35 | doublehp | babilen: so ... what should i do ? |
10:34.42 | malade_mental | Hello, I have a hard drive problem. It mounts normally, I can see all the files on it, but then when I check it's status with "df" data is totally wrong. |
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10:35.51 | malade_mental | I had problems with that hard drive before, it was formatted in NTFS and never stopped bugging (sometimes not starting...) so I did a backup, I formatted it, and now it has an ext4 filesystem. I had to specify an alternate superblock |
10:36.32 | doublehp | malade_mental: smartctl -a /dev/sda => any pastebin |
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10:39.34 | petn-randall | malade_mental: Can you show us the output of 'df -h'? â http://paste.debian.net |
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10:41.16 | malade_mental | smartctl : http://paste.debian.net/780163/ ; df : http://paste.debian.net/780164/ |
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10:45.39 | doublehp | malade_mental: Samsung is not to be recommended (even when you get a good batch, waranty is short). People seem happy with this model; can't see any trouble. Still, some day, you should run "badblocks -svw /dev/sdc" (will destroy all data; and may take from 6 to 48h) |
10:45.52 | doublehp | malade_mental: after this, check smartctl again; especially line 5 |
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10:46.26 | MaxLanar | nethogs give that : http://paste.debian.net/780165/ What's that ?? Should I worry about this line ? |
10:46.57 | babilen | doublehp: How did you report the bug? |
10:47.00 | doublehp | malade_mental: line 5 not null indicates dead disk. Other lines may indicate bad SATA cable; Wikipedia has a good article about SMART. to me, your problem is not hardware; mkfs should fix it. |
10:47.08 | malade_mental | doublehp: thanks, I did not know about smartctl command before :/ |
10:47.14 | malade_mental | shame on me |
10:47.39 | doublehp | babilen: sent an email; copied email content from a /tmp file from the machine where bug was (does not have valid exim), and pasted it inside Thunberbird. |
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10:48.52 | malade_mental | doublehp: ok so I do a badblocks command first |
10:48.54 | doublehp | malade_mental: it's a shame it's not installed by default on 100% machines in the world (included phones, and routers). default installed on 0%. Could warn people 6 months before loosing data ... produce pop-ups, tell machines are about to die; not a single OS does it. |
10:48.59 | babilen | doublehp: You can easily use Debian's SMTP server from reportbug by setting "smtphost reportbug.debian.org" in .reportbugrc -- This is also being offered when you run "reportbug --configure". I use that setting by default even if I have a working MTA setup on that host. |
10:49.05 | malade_mental | hopefully i still have a backup |
10:49.20 | babilen | doublehp: And you are sure that your mail was delivered correctly? Where did you send it? |
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10:49.48 | malade_mental | doublehp: never had hard drive problems like this one with debian in years of using it |
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10:50.22 | malade_mental | and why do space management programs don't do that, so bad |
10:50.36 | doublehp | malade_mental: since low level seem fine, i don't understand how you can share common problem between NTFS and ext4. Did you used NTFS under linux ? if yes, problem is probably your kernel; if you have same issue with NTFS on windows, and ext4 underlinux, then ,common point is RAM/CPU ... and you should have many other problems if CPU or RAM has corrupted internals |
10:50.53 | malade_mental | no I don't have common problems! |
10:51.11 | doublehp | babilen: give me your email via /msg and I forward you the original |
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10:51.31 | malade_mental | when it was on NTFS sometimes the disk just didn't start, now it's ok with ext4 but I just noticed when running df -h |
10:51.35 | malade_mental | that it was buggy |
10:52.00 | doublehp | define buggy |
10:52.12 | doublehp | define "not start" |
10:52.33 | babilen | doublehp: I don't think that's necessary right now. I was just curious which address you send it to. |
10:52.54 | malade_mental | with ext4, df -h give me 77MB used space, except |
10:53.01 | doublehp | submit@bugs.debian.org |
10:53.15 | malade_mental | it's almost full and it's 1TB total space |
10:53.48 | doublehp | malade_mental: mount => pastebin |
10:53.49 | malade_mental | with NTFS the partition just couldn't be found when booting, then I just reboot and it worked |
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10:54.09 | babilen | doublehp: That should have been fine. Are you sure it is not sitting in a mailqueue somewhere? You could simply file it again or try to get additional information from #debian-bugs on irc.oftc.net |
10:54.44 | doublehp | malade_mental: your NTFS issu description is still not clear: did plates start spinning ? was disk found by BIOS ? did kernel find a disk with no partitions in it ? |
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10:55.00 | malade_mental | http://paste.debian.net/780175/ |
10:55.20 | doublehp | babilen: I am confident in my sending system. Was said to wait 2 or 3d. It was june 24th ... |
10:55.43 | malade_mental | yes plates where spinning, the disk was in bios, just a disk with no partitions |
10:55.51 | babilen | doublehp: Yes, you should have received confirmation by now |
10:56.01 | malade_mental | but I don't have the issue anymore I can't test again doublehp |
10:56.14 | doublehp | malade_mental: this can not be the full output of what I Asked you; it's the second time you select what YOU THINK RELEVANT, and do not provide what you are asked !!! |
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10:57.13 | malade_mental | doublehp: yes but just say me why we need other lines from "mount" ? |
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10:57.44 | malade_mental | in fact it's this : http://paste.debian.net/780176/ |
10:58.12 | malade_mental | df -h : http://paste.debian.net/780177/ |
10:58.21 | doublehp | malade_mental: you wxant help ? you want the exhaustive list of my 17y experience ? you already did not provide what petn-randall asked you. I am now expected AFK |
10:59.35 | doublehp | malade_mental: if du -lsh reports more used space than df -h , that's because you have a lot of hard links in the disk. |
10:59.38 | malade_mental | doublehp: I don't doubt you have the experience |
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11:00.42 | malade_mental | doublehp: can this come from rsync? because I use this to restore my files back on the hard drive |
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11:00.45 | doublehp | malade_mental: used space does not matter; only free space is relevant. As long as you don't have "disk full" message, your disk is fine. I am using ZFS, and I have about 3 times more used space than my total disk space ... |
11:01.20 | malade_mental | doublehp: ok so that's great news for me, also I'll read the wikipedia article that you pointed |
11:01.26 | doublehp | malade_mental: rsync is able to handle hard links, but this is discouraged. Symlinks never mess space (unless you are using bar arguments to find and du ) |
11:02.56 | doublehp | malade_mental: to check actual free space, do this: cat /dev/zero >/media/glarg/foobar ; ls -lh /media/glarg/foobar ; rm /media/glarg/foobar # then, you know what's left ... on ext4 (on ZFS, since it can use compression, creating a zero file is unreliable to determine free space; on my system, I would need to use /dev/random) |
11:03.01 | malade_mental | du -lsh just tells me 300GB are used, while df tells me 77M. |
11:03.13 | malade_mental | let's just suppose it doesn't matter a lot |
11:03.31 | doublehp | malade_mental: I could make your du tell you you are usine TB, or even EB |
11:04.08 | doublehp | malade_mental: if fsck tells you it's fine, then it's fine. |
11:04.09 | malade_mental | yes I know |
11:04.29 | malade_mental | so great, thanks doublehp for helping so much |
11:04.52 | doublehp | babilen: i think sending it again is useless; is there an alternative to emails for creating debian bugs ? Ill be back in 1h |
11:05.05 | babilen | doublehp: No, there isn't. |
11:05.08 | malade_mental | it's not a very important hard drive for me so if one day fsck tells me it's not ok I'll just throw it away, anyways I still have backups. |
11:05.15 | malade_mental | see ya! |
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11:05.41 | doublehp | babilen: sending sending may not do better than first ... |
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11:06.09 | babilen | doublehp: As I said: If you really want to follow up on it then contact #debian-bugs, but I would recommend to send the report again and to use smtphost reportbug.debian.org to do so. |
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11:51.00 | G66K | hello everyone , im using 7 wheezy . is there anyway to connecto to wifi using wps pin |
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11:52.17 | doublehp | G66K: yes |
11:52.31 | G66K | doublehp: may i know how please ? |
11:52.42 | multi_io | why does apt-get not want to upgrade the package in this situation? http://paste.debian.net/780181/ |
11:52.44 | doublehp | not sur |
11:53.36 | doublehp | multi_io: not required by any dep ? |
11:53.55 | doublehp | multi_io: update uncompatible with present packages ? |
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11:55.39 | multi_io | doublehp: on apt-get install vagrant it says: vagrant is already the newest version (1:1.7.2). |
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11:56.49 | doublehp | multi_io: are you using stable ? |
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11:57.41 | multi_io | doublehp: no, unstable |
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11:58.05 | doublehp | idk |
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12:08.31 | doublehp | babilen: smtphost seems to not help; but reading docs, seems my report was mal-formated: started body email with subject: instead of package: ... i will try a 3rd time. Too bad Debian does not gwarn about rejected reports |
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12:21.51 | babilen | doublehp: reportbug should generate correct reports |
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12:22.06 | babilen | (and run scripts necessary to gather relevant information) |
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12:23.59 | doublehp | babilen: things are much more complicated when bugs are in the network installer; and 10y ago reportbug used to include instructions to report bugs using an alternate MTA, but does not do it anymore |
12:24.16 | doublehp | not MT, MUA |
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12:24.39 | user___ | Hi |
12:25.09 | user___ | Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd? |
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12:34.25 | user___ | Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd? |
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12:35.39 | user___ | Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd? |
12:35.40 | user___ | Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd? |
12:35.55 | user___ | Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd? |
12:37.58 | user___ | ?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^?^ |
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12:39.07 | multi_io | I have a package (vagrant) installed in version 1.7.2. The version in the repository is 1.8.1. Still apt-get install refuses to upgrade the package, claiming "vagrant is already the newest version (1:1.7.2)." |
12:39.11 | multi_io | why? |
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12:39.42 | multi_io | here's proof: http://paste.debian.net/780183/ |
12:39.51 | multi_io | so why does it do this? |
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12:41.20 | dvs | !frankendebian |
12:41.20 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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12:41.48 | doublehp | user___: you will get KB for spam very soon |
12:42.31 | doublehp | user___: multi_io fast repetition of question won't help; wait at least 1h before reasking |
12:42.36 | multi_io | dvs: my take is that this is strictly question about how dpkg/apt work |
12:43.41 | user___ | doublehp Ok Ok , Can I install freebsd software on Kfreebsd? |
12:43.47 | dvs | multi_io, no, it means that if you include an unstable release to a stable release, it means you are running unstable. |
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12:44.17 | multi_io | I'm not asking for support on how to get a stable system, I'm just asking why apt doesn't want to install this thing in this situation |
12:44.22 | dvs | actually, you're somewhere in between unstable and stable |
12:44.23 | doublehp | user___: i have read your question over 20 times; and probably 20 other people also did; you have win entry in my ignore list. |
12:45.03 | doublehp | we don't answer because we don't know. |
12:45.55 | user___ | Ok , Have a nice Day. |
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12:46.38 | babilen | dpkg: kfreebsd |
12:46.38 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 are not official release architectures for Debian 8 "Jessie" due to quality concerns. https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
12:46.41 | babilen | ah .. |
12:46.42 | babilen | heh |
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12:47.36 | doublehp | dvs: (it's called testing ^^ ) |
12:47.39 | TomTomTosch | multi_io: the version you have installed has the epoch 1: the other has no epoch, in which case 0: is assumed. that's why 1:1.7.2 has a higher priority than 1.8.1 |
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12:48.02 | multi_io | TomTomTosch: ah! |
12:48.07 | multi_io | thanks much |
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12:53.13 | multi_io | I should've known this :O |
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12:53.32 | multi_io | thanks again TomTomTosch, uninstalled & reinstalled, it all works now |
12:53.44 | TomTomTosch | no probleme. |
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13:29.27 | useretail | hi, how to install rar on jessie? these i have in my sources list: http://pastebin.com/wY1DVv3G |
13:29.31 | useretail | when I do 'apt-get install rar' i get: Package rar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
13:29.54 | cra1g321 | useretail, you want to unrar rar files ? |
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13:30.03 | cra1g321 | if so, iirc the package is unrar |
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13:30.05 | useretail | no, rar them |
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13:30.16 | dvs | !unrar-nonfree |
13:30.24 | dvs | ,v unrar-nonfree |
13:30.26 | judd | No package named 'unrar-nonfree' was found in amd64. |
13:30.28 | useretail | i want to rar, not unrar |
13:31.55 | useretail | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/rar -> on this page it says that rar is in non-free archive, but i already have that in sources. |
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13:32.14 | cra1g321 | yeah just found that |
13:32.20 | cra1g321 | did you do "apt-get update" after ? |
13:32.24 | useretail | yes |
13:32.31 | useretail | already did |
13:32.35 | aedinius | hm, weird, i have rar |
13:32.45 | aedinius | show it in non-free |
13:32.58 | kingkong | hi. i have such error. "PHP Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'RainTpl_Exception' with message 'Cache directory tmp/ doesn't have write permission." it will cause me any problem if i set chmod -R 755 /tmp/* ? |
13:33.06 | aedinius | oh wait, i'm not on jessie, nevermind IGNORE ME |
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13:33.42 | jmd | ignores aedinius |
13:33.52 | useretail | kingkong: we have no idea what your script does |
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13:34.37 | cra1g321 | useretail, your sources look/are correct, so that is weird... |
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13:35.13 | useretail | cra1g321: yep, that's why i decided to ask here |
13:35.22 | nitrax | Sup guys, someone with experience with openbox here ? |
13:35.35 | dvs | !ask |
13:35.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
13:36.11 | cra1g321 | useretail, unless maybe try changing the sources to a specific server then refresh them, see if it finds the package then |
13:36.14 | themill | useretail: perhaps you could pastebin the output of "apt-get update; apt-cache policy rar; apt-cache policy" |
13:36.18 | kingkong | useretail: its paste script. full error log here https://paste.kde.org/pdrql0axn/gjoahy |
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13:37.41 | Walakea | i have just installed Antegos as a second OS (after Debian) from Live USB, when i try to boot it, it hangs during GUI loading. i know this is not a Debian issue |
13:38.07 | kingkong | should i chmod -R 755 /tmp/* ? its will cause me any security risk ? |
13:39.32 | nitrax | Ok well, sorry. So, I just have a silly question which make me crazy. Indeed, I run debian through openbox and I disable the window decoration of my term via the right click menu and I'm struggle to put it back. I already tried to add an action entry in the rc.xml or simply by the same menu that I used before but no success ... Would be great if someone can give me a lead. Cheers |
13:39.44 | themill | kingkong: that's a silly idea |
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13:40.32 | useretail | themill: http://pastebin.com/dxAAVWc5 |
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13:41.23 | kingkong | themill: what do you advice me to do solve my problem? |
13:41.40 | TomTomTosch | if your script needs write access to /tmp then changing permissions on the contents of /tmp will not help. |
13:41.58 | themill | useretail: non-free packages are frequently not available for archs other than amd64 or i386. This is one such case. |
13:42.00 | useretail | kingkong: Set write permission or set RAINTPL_CHECK_TEMPLATE_UPDATE to false. More details on http://www.raintpl.com/Documentation/Documentation-for-PHP-developers/Configuration/' |
13:42.24 | useretail | themill: ahhhhh |
13:42.40 | themill | useretail: and yeah, try using a better format |
13:43.09 | useretail | themill: like what? |
13:43.12 | TomTomTosch | and /tmp usually has write permissions for all. |
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13:43.40 | themill | useretail: depends what you are trying to compress and what the memory/speed/size compress/decompress trade-off is |
13:43.49 | kingkong | TomTomTosch: why not? if so, i will try to set that setting as false. |
13:44.17 | themill | useretail: unlikely you really need anything other than .tar.gz or .tar.xz though |
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13:44.36 | kingkong | useretail: that raintpl site domain is on parking. i will set that setting as false if write access to tmp isnt solution |
13:44.43 | TomTomTosch | <PROTECTED> |
13:44.44 | useretail | themill: yeah, i'm aware of that. but a friend wants rar :) |
13:45.20 | useretail | themill: thanks anyway |
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13:45.48 | themill | meh... anyone who is obsessing about the compression format needs to get out more |
13:46.16 | dvs | ,v rar |
13:46.17 | kingkong | TomTomTosch: how to give write access for tmp to that script then? it will not solve my problem? |
13:46.17 | judd | Package: rar on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 2:3.9.3-1; wheezy/non-free: 2:4.0.b3-1; jessie/non-free: 2:4.2.0-1; stretch/non-free: 2:5.3.b2-1; sid/non-free: 2:5.3.b2-1 |
13:46.32 | TomTomTosch | kingkong: and 'Cache directory tmp/' probably is not /tmp, but something in the directory of whatever thing you use. |
13:47.11 | kingkong | TomTomTosch: omg |
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13:47.58 | TomTomTosch | gods rarely help with software related issues. |
13:48.04 | useretail | kingkong: try to change that variable first |
13:48.16 | useretail | peace guys |
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14:01.34 | x-fak | hi |
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14:02.11 | x-fak | can you explain where is stored the change made by this command: "systemctl enable xxxx.service" ? |
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14:04.46 | peewhy | have a look in /lib/systemd/system |
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14:07.20 | x-fak | peewhy, why i dont see anything with such command strace -e write systemctl enable znc.service |
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14:16.50 | p0rt | hey, I need to run onlu one program in x, without any kind of window manager. |
14:17.10 | p0rt | I'd like to use computer in text mode and run X only for browser. |
14:17.16 | p0rt | how to achieve it? |
14:17.20 | RippyDippy | Thats so odd, last night I was having trouble getting the nvidia drivers working, I tried a fresh install this morning and it worked perfectly. I wonder what was messing it up last night |
14:17.23 | jmd | p0rt: No problem. Debian can do it. |
14:17.32 | p0rt | jmd: Yeah, how though? |
14:17.53 | jmd | Well don't install any window managers. |
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14:19.17 | jmd | You could just start X when you want your browser: Like "startx iceweasel" for example. |
14:19.27 | p0rt | jmd: Er, that's a good idea. I was hoping for a more complete answer though. Let's imply that I want to start a new X session for browser, so I'll have one X instance running for everything, and a second one for browser. |
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14:19.45 | p0rt | jmd: oh, so startx does this kind of thing? |
14:19.48 | p0rt | that's good |
14:19.50 | p0rt | thanks. |
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14:19.57 | jmd | Oh so you want two displays? |
14:20.02 | p0rt | no |
14:20.14 | p0rt | Actually, I think it would be good at this moment |
14:20.33 | jmd | You cannot have two X instances running on the same display. |
14:20.50 | p0rt | jmd: I can switch between them though, right? |
14:21.17 | jmd | You have only one monitor? |
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14:21.51 | p0rt | jmd: yeah |
14:22.08 | p0rt | jmd: startx firefox does the job, thanks! |
14:22.13 | jmd | Let me ask the question then why you don't want a window manager? |
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14:22.48 | p0rt | jmd: I use mostly non-X programs |
14:23.00 | p0rt | jmd: The only X11 program I use is browser |
14:23.17 | jmd | That is what a window manager is for. Starting X is a bit of an overhead. So why not install a simple window manager and use it to switch between xterm and firefox. |
14:23.32 | p0rt | jmd: So I don't want to have X running all the time since I don't use browser that often |
14:23.39 | jmd | So? |
14:23.41 | p0rt | jmd: I use i3 actually |
14:23.51 | jmd | I don't know what i3 is. |
14:23.55 | p0rt | jmd: It's good, but it's a waste of resources |
14:24.00 | p0rt | jmd: It's a window manager. |
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14:24.03 | p0rt | i3wm.org |
14:24.19 | p0rt | jmd: I just don't want X running all the time |
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14:24.40 | p0rt | jmd: Thanks for your help, startx does the job :-) |
14:24.41 | TomTomTosch | xinit binary -- :1 where :1 is the display works just fine. |
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14:25.38 | jmd | p0rt: Well if you are prepared to accept the overhead of starting X each time, then that'll work fine. |
14:25.52 | Gerowen | Is there a way to script an SSH login and application launch? For example, let's say I wanted to automatically log into a remote machine via SSH AND immediately launch a program on that machine? Is there a way to write a script that passes commands to an SSH session that isn't open when the script first starts? |
14:25.53 | p0rt | jmd: Ok, thanks. |
14:26.07 | TomTomTosch | what overhead? running a de if he doesn't need one is overhead. |
14:26.20 | jmd | Personally I use ratpoison to switch between xterm and emacs. I very rarely use anything else. |
14:27.19 | jmd | TomTomTosch: startx takes a few seconds. |
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14:28.19 | TomTomTosch | not on my machine and a wm does the same xinit call as startx... |
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14:28.58 | p0rt | jmd: Firefox starts, but it shows only on half of the screen |
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14:29.10 | p0rt | jmd: The rest is just black |
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14:29.51 | jmd | Probably that it its default size. |
14:29.53 | p0rt | any ideas why? |
14:30.06 | p0rt | jmd: how can I change it then? |
14:30.19 | p0rt | sorry, I'm a complete idiot in terms of X11 |
14:30.23 | jmd | Use a window manager. |
14:30.59 | jmd | Or perhaps firefox has a Fullscreen option. |
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14:31.20 | p0rt | jmd: doesn't work though |
14:31.35 | jmd | !doesn't work |
14:31.35 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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14:32.39 | TomTomTosch | he already said what isn't working. the applications he starts with startx are not fullscreen. |
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14:33.26 | p0rt | jmd: when I press F11 which should make it fullscreen it does the animation of being fulscreened, but it's still only on a half of the screen |
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14:34.14 | jmd | try "startx ratpoison" and then C-t firefox |
14:34.36 | p0rt | jmd: I don't want any WM, including ratpoison. |
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14:35.24 | p0rt | only X program I want is firefox, no more. |
14:35.28 | jmd | Well then, as you have found, managing your windows (even if there is only one of them) will be difficult. |
14:35.54 | doublehp | p0rt: window manager is mandatory to exploit some features; firefox is not coded to exploit everything in X |
14:36.03 | jmd | You might be able to pass --geometry to firefox. I'm not sure. |
14:37.04 | jmd | p0rt: But hey! As you are obviously a minimalist, why not go the whole hog, and run X with NO clients? |
14:37.22 | p0rt | jmd: What do you mean no clients? |
14:37.32 | jmd | Not even firefox. |
14:37.46 | p0rt | doublehp: doesn't X allow resizing clients? |
14:37.58 | p0rt | jmd: I need to have it running though :v |
14:38.09 | jmd | No you don't. |
14:38.21 | p0rt | doublehp: Like setting a fixed size of a program in it |
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14:38.39 | doublehp | p0rt: resizing a window is a X feature; Firefox may be unable to use that feature directly without WM |
14:39.25 | p0rt | doublehp: how do you set a fixed size of a window in X though? |
14:39.44 | jmd | p0rt: In general, you can't. |
14:39.53 | doublehp | p0rt: anything WM do ... are less code to be written by apps developpers; there is no reason to duplicate code: what WM do for 99% people, Mozilla team may device to not implement it in their products |
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14:40.11 | doublehp | p0rt: X --help |
14:40.29 | doublehp | p0rt: if it's an internal call, you are stuck |
14:41.08 | jmd | X clients make requests to the window manager. The window manager then makes a call to the server to provide a window. |
14:41.34 | doublehp | p0rt: handling the size and position of a window is the job for a WM; there is no reason to add this code to X, or to end user apps |
14:42.18 | p0rt | jmd, doublehp: So I'll need some kind of window manager afer all. |
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14:42.34 | jmd | I think you will. |
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14:42.40 | doublehp | p0rt: or a browser that ship X discussion directly |
14:42.43 | p0rt | Even a simple one which will just set a size of window. |
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14:43.14 | p0rt | doublehp, jmd: Ok, thank you very much! |
14:43.20 | doublehp | never heard of rat thing, but, it sounds to be just about as light as ion |
14:43.55 | jmd | Alternatively, you could forget X, forget firefox and just run emacs. |
14:44.27 | p0rt | jmd: Yeah, good luck watching YouTube in emacs. |
14:45.02 | XeonSquared | doesn't emacs have a way to embed webkit into it now? |
14:45.13 | doublehp | p0rt: I definitly think Ion2 or RatPoison can do it; and unless you are using a very old CPU, the 3MB of RAM used by those WM should not be an issue |
14:45.56 | jmd | p0rt: apt-get install youtube-dl |
14:46.23 | doublehp | p0rt: if you are using such an old machine, your problem will rather be about finding an ancient version of firefox that does not weight 500M; and any way, an old FF will not be able to print web2. If you are not looking for web2, then, many other browsers may be lighter, and more efficient for small machines |
14:46.27 | p0rt | jmd: How can you watch a film without X? |
14:46.41 | doublehp | p0rt: in either case, insisting for using Firefox, and refusing a WM sounds odd/stupid |
14:47.10 | doublehp | p0rt: how many alternatives to X do you want me to quote ? give me a number |
14:47.14 | jmd | p0rt: I use my television. |
14:47.27 | p0rt | doublehp: It's kind of I-want-to-learn-how-to-do-useless-things behavior. |
14:47.41 | p0rt | doublehp: And I know it |
14:47.42 | doublehp | p0rt: directFB, FreameBuffer, XdirectFB (none of them are Xorg) |
14:48.09 | p0rt | doublehp: Oh... |
14:48.38 | jmd | hack, hack, hacking ... |
14:48.39 | doublehp | p0rt: plus, as jmd said, there are many many many alternatives using alternate monitors: network dispatch (to smart TV, or smartphone, video card able to output TV signal ... ) |
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14:49.36 | doublehp | p0rt: I live 13 months without X, in 2001, because I was too lame to install and configure it; i could still watch movies, and read Office documents, PDF, and even powerpoint things |
14:49.57 | jmd | Anyway, I gotta go and brew some coffee with my toaster. |
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14:50.22 | doublehp | p0rt: then, to your exact initial questino, the strict answer is: "100% impossible" |
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14:50.55 | doublehp | p0rt: but with any concession, there are 1000 alternatives |
14:51.13 | p0rt | doublehp: How did you get to know all this things? |
14:51.39 | p0rt | doublehp: Well, I was born in 2001 so I was living without X back then too. |
14:51.54 | doublehp | p0rt: by that time, I had friends ; then, I had google; i stopped learning new things around 2006, no more time |
14:52.50 | p0rt | doublehp: Ok, I'm gonna play with frambuffer then, seems like a good idea. |
14:52.58 | doublehp | p0rt: google is not as good as back then, but, debian forums should help (but for general topics, Gentoo and Arch forums are way better) |
14:53.22 | doublehp | p0rt: als, stop non debian discussions in here: #linux #hardware #softwar |
14:53.31 | doublehp | #networking (#software) |
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14:53.54 | p0rt | doublehp: Ok, sorry. |
14:53.56 | p0rt | Gotta go |
14:53.57 | Urchin[emacs] | it's ##linux |
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14:54.03 | p0rt | bye |
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14:57.01 | doublehp | babilen: after a few hours, i just see that #debian-bugs is empty ... you made a typo ? |
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15:22.31 | TomTomTosch | doublehp: irc.oftc.net |
15:23.55 | doublehp | TomTomTosch: thanks, better |
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15:28.16 | kingkong | i changed setting but still asking write permition on tmp . |
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15:32.51 | Wulf | Hi |
15:33.07 | Wulf | I want to rebuild a package with optimization/strip turned off. How to do that? |
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15:40.04 | doublehp | kingkong: tmp must be this: drwxrwxrwt |
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15:43.53 | han-solo | he did chmod -R 755 temp/, i guess |
15:44.08 | han-solo | s/temp/tmp |
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15:46.32 | kingkong | i didnt change it. how can i find its permitions |
15:47.24 | xormor | drwxrwxrwt 13 root root 4096 heinä 10 18:39 /tmp |
15:48.03 | xormor | kingkong, do: "/exec -o ls -ld /tmp" without the quotation marks. |
15:48.22 | han-solo | ls -l <file> |
15:48.38 | xormor | ls -ld <directory> |
15:48.44 | xormor | "list directory" |
15:48.55 | xormor | or "list long directory" |
15:49.01 | han-solo | "Everything is a file" :) |
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15:49.36 | xormor | han-solo, then it is "ls -ld <file>", but the <file> must be a directory kind of "file". |
15:49.40 | doublehp | han-solo: ls -l /tmp will nopt return what we need !!! |
15:50.06 | xormor | man ls |
15:50.11 | sypher | or "stat /tmp" |
15:50.13 | baum | how could i resolve a dependency issue like that? https://paste.debian.net/780199 |
15:50.42 | han-solo | we only need to see the permissions, right? |
15:50.52 | xormor | "ls -ld /tmp" |
15:51.17 | han-solo | yeah, i get what you're saying |
15:51.31 | sypher | stat would be the fastest way to get that information. |
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16:00.46 | kingkong | xormor: /exec -o ls -ld /tmp |
16:00.46 | kingkong | -bash: /exec: No such file or directory |
16:01.21 | xormor | kingkong, "ls -ld /tmp" |
16:01.43 | xormor | exec only works from the irc chat client. |
16:01.56 | xormor | kingkong, in the commandline it is: "ls -ld /tmp" |
16:02.11 | xormor | kingkong, without the quotation marks. |
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16:03.33 | kingkong | drwxrwxrwt 5 root root 4096 Jul 10 17:02 /tmp |
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16:05.11 | cobalt-red | what's going on? |
16:05.25 | kingkong | xormor: its same as you wrote ? |
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16:13.28 | xormor | kingkong, it is correct now. |
16:13.35 | xormor | drwxrwxrwt 13 root root 4096 heinä 10 19:09 /tmp |
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16:14.37 | kingkong | xormor: but i still get same error |
16:14.51 | xormor | kingkong, there SHOULD be no problem, but there might be some problem. |
16:15.04 | kingkong | lol |
16:15.14 | xormor | kingkong, try ls -lR /tmp |
16:15.18 | xormor | kingkong, but the output is long |
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16:16.15 | kingkong | xormor: IR with big i? |
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16:19.21 | xormor | kingkong, no, small "el", "l". |
16:19.44 | xormor | kingkong, "el es dash el dee slash tee em pee" |
16:19.55 | xormor | kingkong, ls -lR /tmp... |
16:19.58 | xormor | kingkong, argh... |
16:20.03 | xormor | kingkong, try to figure it out |
16:20.33 | xormor | kingkong, "el es dash el ar slash tee em pee" |
16:21.23 | xormor | kingkong, so you are using "AndChat"... you might want to set a font that differentiates between "I" and "l". "aye" and "el". |
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16:21.59 | teraflops | holy cow |
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16:25.13 | teraflops | 1l0O ^ |
16:25.57 | kingkong | xormor: its so much similar. hard to recognise. :) |
16:26.03 | teraflops | https://ptpb.pw/bHMd.png |
16:26.43 | kingkong | i see that script renamed on github. i will reinstall it. i hope they did more than rename |
16:26.43 | teraflops | I do weechat (android) never had such issue |
16:27.12 | kingkong | weechat android is an app? |
16:27.19 | teraflops | yep |
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16:31.54 | kingkong | i will test it later |
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16:46.16 | rindolf | Hi all. I'm trying to do "apt -y dist-upgrade" on a Debian Jessie VM and I'm getting abysmal speed of 20 KB/s from security.debian.org. Is there any way to configure a mirror? |
16:48.22 | Wulf | rindolf: sure, /etc/apt/sources.list |
16:48.33 | rindolf | Wulf: ah, OK. |
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16:54.06 | rindolf | Wulf: beautiful! Thanks. |
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17:03.09 | jmcnaught | rindolf: i recommend not using -y for dist-upgrade. dist-upgrade can remove packages, it's better to have a chance to say no |
17:03.39 | rindolf | jmcnaught: OK. |
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17:05.48 | rindolf | jmcnaught: I hate the fact that apt/etc. are interactive in Debian - I cannot stand the delays. |
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17:07.23 | DexterF | hi all |
17:07.30 | jmcnaught | rindolf: on Debian stable you seldomly need to use dist-upgrade, usually "apt-get upgrade" is all you need to do and this command does not install or remove packages |
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17:07.54 | rindolf | jmcnaught: ok. |
17:08.03 | rindolf | DexterF: hi. |
17:08.04 | jmcnaught | rindolf: however because dist-upgrade can remove packages it's best to do it interactively, especially if using non-standard repos |
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17:09.21 | DexterF | I just saw in df -h a few entries for cgroup, cgmfs, tmpfs for some mount points at /run/user/<number>. then there is dirs like /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd/user.slice/user-132.slice and I have no idea how that got in. it seems to have to do with lxc, but I never did anythign with lxc on that machine |
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17:10.16 | jmcnaught | DexterF: cgroups are used by systemd, they're not just an LXC feature |
17:10.45 | jmcnaught | DexterF: who is uid 132? "id 132" will tell you |
17:11.19 | DexterF | jmcnaught: lightdm and nx. that's ok then. thanks. |
17:11.38 | DexterF | but why does lightdm have a 1.6GB mount point to tmpfs in df? |
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17:12.27 | jmcnaught | DexterF: can you show the line? |
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17:13.00 | babilen | doublehp: There are, as of now, 65 people in that channel |
17:13.22 | doublehp | babilen: i was on the wrong server; TomTomTosch told me |
17:13.46 | doublehp | babilen: but no answer in 2h; bed time soon |
17:13.47 | babilen | doublehp: All official Debian channels are on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) |
17:13.56 | DexterF | jmcnaught: http://pastebin.ca/3656953 |
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17:14.37 | babilen | Yeah, it is not a high volume channel. You might get an answer eventually. Didn't you re-send your report with correct content and using reportbug.debian.org as SMTP host? |
17:15.42 | doublehp | babilen: twice already ... |
17:15.53 | babilen | And no reply? |
17:16.01 | babilen | Which package did you report a bug against? |
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17:16.23 | babilen | Did you use reportbug to generate the report? |
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17:17.54 | doublehp | babilen: as i said already ... i generated the report via reportbug, and copied the report content from the file in /tmp; 10y ago, reportbug used to have an oiption to handle the case when you don't use exim; then, reportbug used to give explicit and step by step instructions |
17:17.57 | jmcnaught | DexterF: i don't know why lightdm has its own /run/user/132 or why it is running under user.slice. I use GDM and it doesn't do that. The size it is showing in df is the maximum size, it's not actually using that much unless needed. According to the tmpfs man page the default size is 20% of virtual memory |
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17:18.25 | doublehp | babilen: but this option has gone away; and it's not against a package; it's an interaction between partman and mkfs during nbetwork install |
17:18.49 | DexterF | jmcnaught: hmm. ok. well, it sounds legit, so I'll </paranoid> |
17:19.37 | doublehp | babilen: in a specific case, it can end in a situation where beginners can never install the system at all; the workaround is cat /dev/zero>/dev/sda ... not something trivial for everyone ... |
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17:20.16 | jmcnaught | DexterF: system services like display managers should be running under system.slice. (slices are a systemd concept, an interface to cgroups, take a look at the output of systemd-cgls) |
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17:58.52 | baum | uhm, after a dist-upgrade one of my monitors refuses to work (ati-mesa) - by chance anyone experienced something similair? |
17:59.20 | baum | xrandr still detects both monitors |
17:59.35 | rindolf | baum: which version? |
17:59.53 | rindolf | baum: of Debian I mean. |
17:59.59 | baum | rindolf: stretch |
18:00.22 | rindolf | baum: ah. |
18:00.31 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
18:00.31 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
18:00.34 | rindolf | baum: are you using the FOSS driver? |
18:00.42 | baum | rindolf: yes |
18:01.06 | petn-randall | baum: see the dpkg message above. The other channel has all the testing users, so you'll get better support over there. |
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18:01.53 | baum | petn-randall: thanks |
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18:06.34 | mundus2018 | fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Operation not permitted |
18:06.42 | mundus2018 | COuld this be an openvz issue? |
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18:09.27 | doublehp | mundus2018 does your use belong to right group ? |
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18:09.42 | mundus2018 | IM in sude |
18:09.47 | mundus2018 | *Im in sudo |
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18:12.09 | plasmoduck | I'm thinking about building a cluster of Lenovo Core Duo's, how do I go about it? |
18:12.37 | plasmoduck | Is there any special software I need? |
18:13.04 | plasmoduck | Like Beowulf |
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18:14.00 | rindolf | plasmoduck: well, there's also Hadoop. |
18:14.36 | plasmoduck | Whats some useful things I can use it for? Other than just doing it for the sake |
18:14.54 | plasmoduck | I can get the Lenovos at $20 a pop thats why I was thinking about it |
18:14.56 | rindolf | plasmoduck: is this a solution in search of a problem? |
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18:15.28 | plasmoduck | rindolf, is that a riddle? |
18:15.49 | rindolf | plasmoduck: no, it'a an idiom. |
18:16.24 | plasmoduck | anyhow what could I use such computational power for at home? |
18:16.47 | plasmoduck | only things I can think of is BOINC and Bitcoin mining |
18:16.48 | rindolf | plasmoduck: see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Solution_in_search_of_a_problem |
18:17.11 | rindolf | plasmoduck: bitcoin mining is faster using GPUs. |
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18:18.15 | plasmoduck | botnet |
18:18.38 | plasmoduck | bruteforcing |
18:18.49 | jmcnaught | plasmoduck: you could use a few of them to practice making "cloud" services with ganeti or openstack |
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18:19.06 | plasmoduck | jmcnaught, sounds like a good idea. |
18:19.22 | rozie | plasmoduck: cost of hardware is not a problem. cost of energy is |
18:19.45 | plasmoduck | how much energy? |
18:19.50 | plasmoduck | For say 6 |
18:19.56 | plasmoduck | core duos |
18:20.01 | plasmoduck | per month |
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18:25.28 | rozie | a lot |
18:25.52 | Dagger | depends what they're doing. it's about 1.6 gigajoules/month per 100 watts used for 6 of them |
18:25.55 | rozie | if it's laptop, I bet ~30-40W each |
18:26.15 | rozie | if it's desktop, I bet 80-120W each |
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18:26.42 | rozie | he want's to run some BOINC OSLT |
18:26.53 | rozie | so they will run at full power |
18:26.59 | Dagger | idle power might be anywhere from 10w to 100w depending on desktop vs laptop, other hardware, PSU efficiency etc. active use might be 25-250w depending on the same |
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18:27.30 | plasmoduck | yes they are desktops and will be running at warp 10 |
18:27.37 | mundus2018 | I cant seem to be able to access /dev/fuse as root, any idea why? |
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18:27.44 | Phanes | what advantages will i get installing debian that i wouldn't get with ubuntu server? |
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18:28.28 | plasmoduck | Phanes, less bloatware, a better streamlined system |
18:28.40 | mundus2018 | I cant seem to be able to access /dev/fuse, any idea why? |
18:28.44 | mundus2018 | oops sorry |
18:28.55 | mundus2018 | didnt seam to say that agian |
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18:29.00 | plasmoduck | Phanes, think of it like comparing Windows to Linux |
18:29.08 | shadowport578 | hej |
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18:29.37 | Phanes | is that an elitist way of saying ill be spending all my time troubleshooting configurations instead of using the services |
18:29.44 | shadowport578 | my sound was working perfectly fine and all the sudden it stopped working |
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18:29.55 | shadowport578 | what would be the best way to troubleshoot this ? |
18:30.20 | plasmoduck | Phanes, no it's just as easy to use as Ubuntu and there are GUI tools for most things. |
18:30.37 | polyzen | http://www.co.kerr.tx.us/it/howtoreport.html |
18:30.43 | plasmoduck | you will just feel better about yourself knowing you have a more pure system. |
18:30.53 | Phanes | what does 'pure' mean |
18:31.12 | plasmoduck | think of a virgin and a whore |
18:31.27 | miskatonic | I dislike GUI tools and avoid or disable them all the way |
18:31.28 | polyzen | wat |
18:31.39 | plasmoduck | Debian is the pure virgin and Ubuntu is the dirty whore everyone uses |
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18:31.56 | Phanes | anybody with a clue know how to break it down |
18:32.02 | plasmoduck | miskatonic, all my servers are headless and xless |
18:32.07 | shadowport578 | piasmoduck you got it right |
18:32.14 | shadowport578 | debian = noobs |
18:32.22 | shadowport578 | is it right ? |
18:32.28 | jmcnaught | plasmoduck: please try to keep it appropriate in here |
18:32.36 | sypher | And on topic. |
18:32.39 | shadowport578 | jmcnaught hey |
18:32.44 | shadowport578 | long time no see you |
18:32.48 | plasmoduck | jmcnaught, sorrym I didn't think that was too bad? |
18:34.00 | jmcnaught | Phanes: one big difference is how long releases are supported for. Debian's support period is shorter, but now there is the limited LTS security service that helps a bit |
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18:35.20 | shadowport578 | i need some help with linux network and phpmyadmin is this the right channel ? |
18:35.59 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: hey, if you're using Debian you can ask here. If there's a better channel someone might recommend it |
18:36.27 | shadowport578 | cool |
18:36.43 | shadowport578 | jmcnaught so i did install phpmyadmin |
18:36.44 | shadowport578 | and |
18:36.58 | jmcnaught | Phanes: i've also found that some of the packages in Ubuntu universe have bugs that don't exist in Debian (because Ubuntu takes a snapshot of Debian unstable but doesn't necessarily focus very much on those packages) |
18:37.02 | shadowport578 | it says "Please choose the web server that should be automatically configured to run phpMyAdmin." |
18:37.11 | shadowport578 | but i dont see nginx |
18:37.27 | shadowport578 | its only apache2 and lighttpd |
18:37.33 | Phanes | hrm, well, ill stay in channel and listen in, and go with ubuntu server for this project for the time being since i can't get any meaningful breakdowns. cant take chances without reasons but ive heard good things about debian for a long time now |
18:37.53 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: it's possible that the package maintainers haven't added support for automatically configuring nginx |
18:38.04 | Phanes | so that might change soon after i know more about what im looking at |
18:38.44 | shadowport578 | jmcnaught hmm what would you recommend to do ? |
18:39.07 | jmcnaught | Phanes: the truth is that both use the same software, and there are even a lot of common developers between Debian and Ubuntu. The biggest differences are in how the projects are organized really |
18:39.23 | quinnw | Shadow does it have an option to manually configure? |
18:39.46 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: If it were me I'd already be using Apache2, but if it has an option to skip automatic configuration you can just set up nginx manually |
18:39.51 | shadowport578 | no i dont see it there |
18:40.03 | shadowport578 | oh |
18:40.03 | quinnw | Ok |
18:40.11 | shadowport578 | could you guide me through this ? |
18:40.11 | miskatonic | in debian, avoiding non-free software is easier. That's my difference. |
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18:42.25 | quinnw | mach_k_away: any chance you could turn that off? |
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18:44.15 | shadowport578 | jmcnaught ? |
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18:44.55 | maziar | hello everyone, i want to add user, that user can edit files under /var/www/ , and /var/www/ access is www-data www-data |
18:45.01 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: i'm not really very experienced with nginx. any reason you can't use apache? |
18:45.13 | rindolf | maziar: then put it under the www-data group. |
18:45.47 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: you should also look at /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin to see if there's a README.Debian or maybe example nginx configs. |
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18:46.11 | shadowport578 | jmcnaught i need to know this because the company.. |
18:46.18 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: the phpmyadmin package configures apache with mod_php, for nginx you'll need to use php-fpm instead |
18:46.35 | shadowport578 | oh |
18:46.43 | shadowport578 | but how do i find it ? |
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18:46.57 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: find what? |
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18:47.24 | danboid | Is there a live CD for stretch/testing? |
18:47.35 | shadowport578 | php-fpm like look im in the process of installation |
18:47.40 | shadowport578 | i cant see that option |
18:47.47 | maziar | rindolf i use this command : usermod -aG www-data username |
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18:47.56 | maziar | rindolf but not works, why ? |
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18:48.13 | rindolf | maziar: can you see it in /etc/group ? |
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18:48.43 | TomTomTosch | ,i php5-fpm |
18:48.44 | judd | Package php5-fpm (php, optional) in jessie/amd64: server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (FPM-CGI binary). Version: 5.6.20+dfsg-0+deb8u1; Size: 2144.6k; Installed: 8905k; Homepage: http://www.php.net/ |
18:49.06 | shadowport578 | i will look into this |
18:49.09 | maziar | rindolf in /etc/group : username:x:1002: |
18:49.09 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: if you want to use nginx with the phpmyadmin package, and the package doesn't configure it automatically, you'll need to do it manually |
18:49.36 | rindolf | maziar: that's the wrong line. |
18:49.46 | rindolf | maziar: what happens in www-data? |
18:50.32 | maziar | rindolf yes it is on www-data:x:33:username |
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18:50.41 | danboid | Do Deb live cds only get produced for stable releases? |
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18:51.12 | rindolf | maziar: ok, then it should work after a reboot or similar. |
18:51.29 | rindolf | maziar: assuming you have group write permissions. |
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18:52.33 | maziar | rindolf is there any other thing istance rebooting |
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18:54.01 | rindolf | maziar: what? |
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18:56.34 | maziar | rindolf i restarted the server but not work yet, why ? |
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18:57.46 | rindolf | maziar: what doesn't work? |
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18:57.58 | rindolf | maziar: what are the symptoms of the problem? |
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18:58.42 | maziar | i can not edit file under /var/www whit my user, i don't want to gain root access to user, just want to gain access to /var/www/* |
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18:59.10 | rindolf | maziar: what are the permissions of the file? |
18:59.19 | rindolf | maziar: what does ls -l say about it? |
18:59.59 | maziar | rindolf www-data:www-dat |
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19:00.30 | rindolf | maziar: and the permissions? |
19:00.36 | rindolf | maziar: give me the whole "ls -l" line |
19:00.54 | rindolf | maziar: I'm not talking about user/group ownership. |
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19:01.04 | maziar | -rwxr-xr-x 1 www-data www-data 703 Feb 9 16:37 /var/www/src/index.php |
19:01.29 | shadowport578 | anyidea how to troubleshoot sound |
19:01.30 | shadowport578 | ? |
19:01.41 | shadowport578 | for some reason it stoped working |
19:01.44 | rindolf | maziar: ok, you don't have write permissions for the group to that file. |
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19:01.58 | maziar | rindolf 775 is ok ? |
19:02.10 | rindolf | maziar: do "chmod 775 /var/www/src/index.php" as root - and yes. |
19:04.04 | TomTomTosch | shadowport578: install pavucontrol, check the output device. or use the sound application that is part of your DE. |
19:05.49 | shadowport578 | i did install that and everything looks correct |
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19:06.00 | shadowport578 | TomTomTosch it is set up at 100% |
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19:08.18 | teraflops | shadowport578: paste the output of pactl list sinks to https://paste.debian.net while playing something |
19:08.31 | maziar | rindolf how to chmod 775 to all directory and subdirectory in /var/www ? chmod 775 /var/www/* not work for all sub directorys |
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19:09.03 | rindolf | maziar: add -R |
19:09.08 | teraflops | -R, looks like you want to read man chmod |
19:09.12 | rindolf | maziar: chmod -R 775 ... |
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19:10.06 | shadowport578 | teraflops one moment |
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19:10.22 | pykno-paron | great summer song ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysb3TZ-YrKU&feature=youtu.be |
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19:12.48 | shadowport578 | teraflops https://paste.debian.net/780233/ |
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19:17.41 | teraflops | shadowport578: are using the hdmi? |
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19:19.54 | shadowport578 | teraflops i dont have anything plugged in just as it is |
19:20.40 | teraflops | so you are using the built-in card and no sound? |
19:20.49 | shadowport578 | yes |
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19:21.28 | teraflops | if yes, look at alsamixer press f5 choose your card and check nothing is muted |
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19:25.31 | timothywcrane | I am looking for a php file manager for my deb8 LAMP to comb over my file chown chgrp needs w/o squinting into the shell or installing a dte. The ability to change groups is a big plus. Any suggestions or better channel to ask in? Thanks in advance |
19:25.34 | shadowport578 | teraflops the speaker had nothing |
19:26.04 | LinuxIsGreat | Hello, I am having issues with reinstalling some packages. I am trying to reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx, however when I run "apt-get install reinstall libglq-mesa-glx" it gives me this error "Reinstallation of libgl1-mesa-glx is not possible, it cannot be downloaded." Any ideas of how I can reinstall it? |
19:26.13 | shadowport578 | teraflops but still no sound |
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19:26.22 | shadowport578 | maybe it needs a restart ? |
19:26.23 | somiaj | LinuxIsGreat: try running apt-get update first? |
19:26.28 | LinuxIsGreat | I have mutliply times; |
19:26.50 | timothywcrane | Did you uninstall or purge the old app? |
19:27.11 | LinuxIsGreat | As in libgl1.... ? |
19:27.38 | rindolf | LinuxIsGreat: aren't you missing some dashes? |
19:27.52 | shadowport578 | teraflops shouild automute be enabled ? |
19:28.04 | timothywcrane | It could be holding onto bad configs. sudo apt-get purge APP ..... then reinstall. Might help. |
19:28.21 | LinuxIsGreat | not to my knowlage. I went ahead and searched it up on "apt search libgl1-mesa-glx" and it showed up as the one I wanted, and no other varients that have a differnce of dashes |
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19:28.56 | LinuxIsGreat | timothywcrane, I am a little "nervous" about doing so, as If it doesn't work I could just simply be stuck without it. |
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19:29.02 | docmur | I'm running htop I see the red thread (kernel) running at 100% of all my cores, according to htop it's the /sbin/getty 38400 tty# processes, they seem to be running at 100%, how I can determine why? |
19:30.33 | LinuxIsGreat | And I purged it an it is removing gnome |
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19:30.53 | LinuxIsGreat | Well.. I stopped it, but what will happen when I restart |
19:31.32 | timothywcrane | You hit no |
19:31.54 | LinuxIsGreat | ? I had to ctrl x or something whilst it was doing its thing |
19:32.06 | timothywcrane | You should be fine |
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19:32.27 | LinuxIsGreat | I can always reinstall it, even if it is an issue, just a pain. |
19:32.38 | LinuxIsGreat | gnome) |
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19:33.06 | timothywcrane | Why the reinstall to begin with? |
19:33.13 | LinuxIsGreat | Nevermind.. |
19:33.29 | LinuxIsGreat | Give me a minute, or 10, Im restarting. SEe what happens :) |
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19:37.57 | wicd | Hello |
19:37.59 | wicd | I am getting this problem https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=51778 but I have to use wicd. How can I fix this problem? |
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19:46.02 | timothywcrane | Anyone know if you can chgrp in phpFileManager? or any other similar project? I only see all of them promoting chown features. |
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19:47.25 | shadowport578 | i think i have a bad luck or something, trying to install nginx and im getting this error https://paste.debian.net/780236/ |
19:47.43 | shadowport578 | how can i fix this ? |
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19:50.27 | moon__ | ik this might be offtopic, but is anyone willing to attempt to exploit my linux system i use to give a bot it's shell interface? im trying to find and block/patch potential exploits |
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19:51.52 | jmcnaught | timothywcrane: you might need to try a few out to find the one you're looking for |
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19:53.21 | jmcnaught | moon__: this isn't a very good request to make. It's impossible for any volunteer to know that the system they are trying to exploit actually belongs to you and not some mark |
19:53.44 | moon__ | oh, true :L |
19:54.21 | moon__ | but i do have root access, it does belong to me :P |
19:54.52 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: the error says to look at 'journalctl -xn' for more details. You could add '-u nginx' to that to filter for only message from nginx |
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19:55.06 | timothywcrane | I will... just though someone might have remembered chgrping through one... rtfm on a few now... |
19:55.29 | shadowport578 | jmcnaught right i can try |
19:56.23 | moon__ | well, if someone wants to try, the bot interface is #hbot, and it runs debian 8 amd64 |
19:56.40 | shadowport578 | jmcnaught Failed to start A high performance web server and a reverse proxy server. |
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19:57.29 | shadowport578 | Unit nginx.service entered failed state. |
19:57.31 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: as i said earlier i'm not that familiar with nginx but making a paste of the full output will get you better help |
19:57.35 | shadowport578 | defined by systemd |
19:57.43 | shadowport578 | true |
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19:58.02 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: what version of nginx are you using? what does "apt-cache policy nginx" say? |
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19:59.39 | shadowport578 | jmcnaught https://paste.debian.net/780237/ |
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20:00.29 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: probably nginx cannot start because of a problem in its config files |
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20:01.27 | shadowport578 | jmcnaught take a look at this https://paste.debian.net/780238/ |
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20:01.36 | shadowport578 | i run those two commands |
20:01.42 | shadowport578 | and thats what i got |
20:01.43 | XndrK | How do I change the super key's binding? |
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20:02.00 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: something else is running on port 80 |
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20:02.20 | XndrK | Right now, it's press ESC, lift, then hit your next key. I want it to be hold Super and whatever key. |
20:02.22 | shadowport578 | does it matter if its public wifi ? |
20:03.03 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: no, it means that you have another webserver already running. What does "systemctl status apache2" say? |
20:03.44 | wicd | Brb I will try something |
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20:04.33 | diego__ | hello, I think there is a problem with wine32-tools package in jessie, since it contains /usr/bin/winegcc32 that is a script that involves /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/wine/winebuild and /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/wine/winegcc but both have wrong path: should be in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/wine/bin/winegcc and /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/wine/bin/winebuild (I think), can anybody confirm this? |
20:04.38 | shadowport578 | jmcnaught https://paste.debian.net/780239/ |
20:05.07 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: how do you interpret this? |
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20:06.00 | shadowport578 | that the apache is running but the nginx is not |
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20:06.45 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: yes, and both want to use port 80. apache2 was probably pulled in as a dependency of phpmyadmin |
20:06.56 | shadowport578 | ohh |
20:07.04 | shadowport578 | how do i shut down this ? |
20:07.13 | shadowport578 | or maybe even delete ? |
20:07.29 | shadowport578 | so i can start over again ? |
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20:08.38 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: you'll probably want to remove apache2. Take a look at "apt-cache show phpmyadmin" and look at its depends. The '|' means 'or'. So if you have php5-cgi or php5-fpm installed, it won't install libapache2-mod-php5 (which is listed first) |
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20:13.00 | Zliba | sshfs -o reconnect <<--- What is the meaning of this option? |
20:13.03 | shadowport578 | jmcnaught you right https://paste.debian.net/780241/ |
20:14.01 | shadowport578 | so should i run apt-purge apache2 ? |
20:14.38 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: you probably have more than one apache package. What does "aptitude search ~napache" say? Also why not use apache? |
20:15.31 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: before you do anything else, you could try going to http://localhost/phpmyadmin (there's a good chance apache is already running phpmyadmin okay) |
20:16.06 | shadowport578 | jmcnaught https://paste.debian.net/780242/ |
20:16.48 | shadowport578 | Unable to connect |
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20:17.11 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: oh sorry, that's a list of all apache packages available. I meant to type "aptitude search ~i~napache" (the ~i part filters for installed packages) |
20:17.21 | shadowport578 | np one sec |
20:18.36 | shadowport578 | jmcnaught https://paste.debian.net/780243/ |
20:19.41 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: if you want to remove them all you can do "aptitude remove ~i~napache" but pay attention to the prompt in case it wants to remove more than those five packages |
20:20.03 | shadowport578 | ok |
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20:21.41 | shadowport578 | jmcnaught now i can start over again i guess |
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20:22.04 | shadowport578 | how should i do it the right way now ? |
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20:23.21 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: something like "apt-get install phpmyadmin php5-fpm nginx" but then you will need to configure nginx and php5-fpm to use phpmyadmin |
20:24.14 | shadowport578 | ok let me try this |
20:24.16 | jmcnaught | if you're fine with running phpmyadmin in the default FPM pool (which runs as the user www-data) then you probably can leave php5-fpm's config alone, but you'll need to make nginx aware of it |
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20:24.49 | shadowport578 | what do you think would be easier ? |
20:25.22 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: i think the easiest is to use the default apache2 and mod_php with phpmyadmin |
20:25.58 | shadowport578 | ok so let me verify this before i mess up something lol |
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20:26.19 | shadowport578 | apt-get install phpmyadmin and then apt-get install nginx ? |
20:26.21 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: i have in the past configured phpmyadmin under apache2 and php5-fpm. I don't have anything like that running right now, but I do have an Ansible playbook role that configures it |
20:26.33 | shadowport578 | oh |
20:26.55 | shadowport578 | i need to learn this thats why im struggling |
20:27.08 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: you can list multiple packages in the install command. You need php5-fpm installed before or at the same time as phpmyadmin otherwise it will pull in libapache2-mod-php5 again |
20:27.19 | shadowport578 | ohh |
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20:27.56 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: debian-reference and debian-handbook are both pretty good. they're available as packages to install locally, or at https://www.debian.org/doc/ |
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20:29.04 | shadowport578 | thanks jmcnaught |
20:29.08 | shadowport578 | question |
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20:29.43 | shadowport578 | how long do you think it will take to be decent in working with linux systemes and network administration ? |
20:30.04 | shadowport578 | like can i learn this in less thank 2 weeks ? |
20:30.19 | shadowport578 | than* |
20:30.26 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: it's different for everyone, depending on how much time you put into it and how serious you are about reading documentation |
20:31.10 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: if you work on this stuff for a few hours every day you'll make a lot of progress in a couple of weeks, but it will take longer than that to get proficient |
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20:31.53 | shadowport578 | jmcnaught i see |
20:32.00 | shadowport578 | i will try to spend like 15 hours a day |
20:32.02 | jmcnaught | nobody ever gets to a point where they can stop learning, people do sysadmin work for decades still have to keep learning as the technology evolves |
20:32.11 | shadowport578 | yes true |
20:32.34 | shadowport578 | the goal is to be able to be have enough knowledge for technical support work |
20:33.08 | shadowport578 | there is no more money in coding since all the jobs are in 3rd world countries |
20:33.18 | shadowport578 | so yeah it suks but this is the reality |
20:33.26 | shadowport578 | -be |
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20:33.52 | shadowport578 | jmcnaught i gotta go |
20:33.57 | shadowport578 | you were a great help |
20:33.58 | shadowport578 | ! |
20:34.07 | shadowport578 | thanks a lot |
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20:34.28 | jmcnaught | shadowport578: you're welcome. good luck, and take a crack at working though the debian-reference book |
20:34.51 | shadowport578 | definitely |
20:34.55 | shadowport578 | ttyl |
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21:01.54 | jenia | hello |
21:02.52 | jenia | I'm at the end of my strength with Wifi and debian. Can someone please help me? I want to use `gnome-netowork-manager` and their `nm-applet` cause wicd bugs at "verifying authentication" |
21:03.08 | jenia | but somehow wifi isn't working smoothly |
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21:03.43 | jenia | sometimes it doesn't work at all, then I connect/disconnect X 10 and hope for the best and sometimes it work for 5 minutes |
21:03.53 | jenia | how do I make this work correctly? |
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21:05.19 | jenia_ | hello. It's me from my debian connection. Right now, wifi happens to work somehow |
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21:06.52 | jenia | it just stoppped working all of a sudden |
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21:09.55 | jenia | why have two network managers when none of them works correctly? Never understood this |
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21:10.43 | wondiws | does anyone here know how the MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) works? |
21:11.12 | wondiws | I got it working on my windows pc with WMP, but what software do I use on Debian? |
21:11.26 | wondiws | I can browse my music and pictures, and delete, in Nautilus |
21:11.36 | wondiws | but I haven't figured out how to upload |
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21:13.41 | AimHere | wondiws, mtp-tools gives you the main command-line tools for working with mtp clients |
21:14.15 | wondiws | AimHere, it doesn't detect anything, although I'm connected with Nautilus (that's gvfs, right?) |
21:14.56 | awal1 | When I got a dell laptop (windows 8), right now formated, I got one usb key for recover window. lsblk/gparted list it as sdb1. I want format it and use for my debian system as a normal usb but gparted doesn't give me the usual option for format. How can I solve this? |
21:15.51 | awal1 | wanna format it as fat 32 for use it with my debian (store documents, multimedia and so...) ^ |
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21:18.12 | awal1 | there is a lock beside that key, so it's locked. (that's what I see in both gparted and thunar) |
21:21.45 | somiaj | awal1: is this in the installer? |
21:22.36 | somiaj | awal1: Is there a physical lock on the usb drive to make it read only? |
21:24.46 | BinBasher | Could anyone tell me whether the last two steps in https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=166057 are necessary or have influence on this fix in debian? |
21:26.09 | awal1 | somiaj, I have no idea what that usb key includes exactly. when I bought that dell laptop, dell company also sent me an usb key and they told me it's for recover windows if at anytime I format it. I formated that dell laptop the same day I bought it and installed in it debian. So I guess it's a key for recover windows8 bcoz thunar mounts it and I see that the content: boot, efi, bootmgr, setup.exe. I see a lock beside each folder |
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21:28.19 | awal1 | langpacks, bootmgr.efi, sources and more windows stuff I see. No, there is no a physical lock, somiaj |
21:28.32 | Nematocyst__ | where do i post problems with debian stretch, is this channel ok? |
21:29.27 | unborn | Nematocyst__: i think debian-next |
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21:29.39 | Nematocyst__ | i tried that. said it was invite only |
21:29.40 | teraflops | BinBasher: if you do bumblebee you don't need xorg.conf, and if you do nvidia blob you have to check that nouveau is blacklisted, you better use https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee#Installation instead and old post from archlinux bbs |
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21:30.35 | teraflops | BinBasher: also what's your real problem? |
21:30.41 | unborn | Nematocyst__: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting ?? |
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21:31.15 | LinuxIsGreat | hello, so o managed to screwup my desktop enviorment.. anyone know how i can.. fix it? apt-get install gnome-desktop returns no installation canadite. |
21:31.48 | Nematocyst__ | i can't call it a bug yet. having trouble starting services to even diagnose the issue i'm having |
21:32.03 | awal1 | somiaj, ok, problem solved. thanks for your attention anyway. I just had to unmount it and now I have the option to format it (thunar automount have confused me ) |
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21:33.34 | teraflops | awal1: lsblk ;) |
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21:34.09 | Nematocyst__ | the irony is that i got stretch when trying to obtain jessie. didn't find out until first boot |
21:34.33 | awal1 | teraflops, yeah, i have used it for list it :P |
21:34.45 | [Serbian] | hello |
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21:38.04 | teraflops | silly automounting, and still people complains about not having it for external drives |
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21:39.14 | jenia | did any of you managed to make WIFI work on Debian? |
21:39.26 | jenia | I spent many many hours and didn't manage to do it |
21:40.10 | debidi | jenia: wpa_supplicant |
21:41.02 | jenia | wpa_supplicant? alright thanks.I'll check it out |
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21:42.15 | teraflops | jenia: sure, what are you doing exactly? take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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21:44.38 | jenia | debidi: I already have wpasupplicant installed |
21:44.54 | AirPlanes | help |
21:44.55 | AirPlanes | http://paste.debian.net/780252 |
21:44.59 | AirPlanes | after i wrote sudo apt-get update |
21:45.03 | jenia | I'm not sure what already I need to do |
21:45.05 | unborn | jenia: whats your wifi chip? |
21:45.20 | teraflops | jenia: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse ^ |
21:45.27 | debidi | ^ |
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21:45.48 | jenia | unborn: I forgot. sorry. but gnome-netowkr-manager works (and then stops, then works after 10X connect/disconnect) |
21:46.37 | jenia | teraflops: I went through this |
21:46.39 | debidi | i'd just stick to cli/ifupdown when it comes to network ifaces |
21:46.48 | AirPlanes | anyone read? |
21:46.52 | awal1 | Hmmm, unmounting that f*** windows usb key I have the option fot format it but when I try to format it as fat32, or eliminate it, or create a new partition table, Gparted displays an error message "Can't write to /dev/sdb because it is opened read only". Suggestions? |
21:47.13 | unborn | jenia: yeh perhaps wrong driver or something.. |
21:47.27 | debidi | awal1: sudo gparted ? |
21:47.38 | jenia | debidi: very interesting. But how do I instruct it to connect to a specific network? |
21:47.58 | awal1 | debidi, running gparted as root , of course :P |
21:48.16 | debidi | awal1: ok, check permissions for /dev/sdb (stat /dev/sdb) |
21:48.31 | unborn | AirPlanes: its srv error |
21:48.38 | debidi | jenia: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant |
21:48.44 | AirPlanes | what is mean? unborn |
21:50.18 | bipul | What is lock file? And why it is being used? |
21:50.24 | awal1 | debidi, output looks correct http://paste.debian.net/780253 |
21:50.46 | debidi | AirPlanes: try different server in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
21:50.49 | jenia | unborn: yea, I think that'll be the best option for me |
21:50.51 | jenia | thanks a lot |
21:50.52 | jenia | ;) |
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21:51.02 | TomTomTosch | bipul: lock files are being used to manage resources that should only be accessed by one process at a time. |
21:51.44 | bipul | TomTomTosch, For instance? |
21:51.59 | AirPlanes | debidi, how ? |
21:52.00 | debidi | awal1: does the key have a physical read-only/rw switch ? |
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21:52.20 | debidi | awal1: also check if kernel says anything related (dmesg | tail) |
21:52.44 | TomTomTosch | bipul: devices, or a data that should stay consistent. |
21:52.55 | TomTomTosch | s/a// |
21:53.00 | AirPlanes | debidi, how ? |
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21:53.51 | LinuxAndCake | Hello, I accidentally deleted my desktop enviorment.. Any ideas on bring it back, or something like xfce4? |
21:53.55 | debidi | AirPlanes: edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list (as root) and replace all occurrences of "http://debian.co.il" with http://ftp.debian.org |
21:53.55 | AirPlanes | please how do i change server? |
21:54.01 | awal1 | debidi, no, no physical stuff |
21:54.07 | AirPlanes | thank s debidi i hope it will work |
21:54.07 | bipul | TomTomTosch, Thank you, Between i wish if you could give me a real time example scenario. |
21:54.19 | LinuxAndCake | (and when I do something like apt-get install xfce4 or gnome-desktop it tells me no installation canidate |
21:54.21 | unborn | LinuxAndCake: apt-get install gnome or others |
21:54.35 | debidi | awal1: then "apt-get update", also keep a backup of old file |
21:54.43 | debidi | i mean AirPlanes ^ |
21:54.44 | bipul | Any link? or document if you would like to share with me ? |
21:54.50 | awal1 | :D |
21:54.53 | LinuxAndCake | package "gnome" has no installation canidate. |
21:55.02 | awal1 | nothing relevant in dmes |
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21:55.13 | AirPlanes | debidi, what? |
21:55.18 | AirPlanes | now i am confused |
21:55.31 | AirPlanes | oh |
21:55.33 | AirPlanes | thanks |
21:55.46 | awal1 | probably the key have the feature of write protected for prevent data loss |
21:56.10 | unborn | LinuxAndCake: https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
21:56.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell AirPlanes -about jessie sources.list |
21:56.23 | TomTomTosch | bipul: it's just a kind of semaphore. you will find more if you google it. |
21:56.26 | awal1 | googling sounds like the solution is put it in garbage |
21:56.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell AirPlanes -about httpredir.debian.org |
21:56.36 | LtL | LinuxAndCake: apt-cache search task-gnome-desktop |
21:56.41 | bipul | TomTomTosch, Yes i am doing it |
21:57.03 | unborn | LinuxAndCake: or here https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce |
21:57.21 | wondiws | if gvfs connect to my phone with MTP, can I still connect it using other MTP clients, like gMTP? |
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21:59.05 | AirPlanes | babilen, thanks |
21:59.06 | babilen | dpkg: show sources.list |
21:59.07 | dpkg | Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} |
21:59.16 | babilen | LinuxAndCake: Could you paste the output of ^ |
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22:04.29 | debidi | awal1: can you dd to /dev/sdb ? |
22:04.42 | debidi | awal1: eg: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 |
22:04.49 | debidi | whhat does it say |
22:06.27 | AirPlanes | anyone can help me? Qt installed is very old |
22:06.58 | miskatonic | then install a more current version of qt? |
22:07.03 | AirPlanes | how? |
22:07.14 | debidi | AirPlanes: switch to sid.. |
22:07.23 | AirPlanes | what?? |
22:08.15 | debidi | rome was not built in 24h AirPlanes you'll figure it out |
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22:08.39 | AirPlanes2 | lol |
22:08.41 | AirPlanes2 | i don't want |
22:08.43 | AirPlanes2 | gfto |
22:08.52 | debidi | lol |
22:09.00 | jenia | unborn: It worked adding the wpa_supplicant output to /etc/network/interfaces. But I have on more quick question: What If I want to connect to another network? Can I add multiple wpa_supplicant outputs for one interface (wpa0)? |
22:09.05 | AirPlanes2 | go home |
22:09.26 | babilen | AirPlanes: You really don't want to be tracking sid (Debian unstable) |
22:09.51 | AirPlanes2 | dont tell me alternatives |
22:09.55 | AirPlanes2 | oh boy |
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22:12.42 | AirPlanes2 | anyone? |
22:12.59 | AirPlanes2 | i think debidi is arch user |
22:13.01 | AirPlanes2 | someone ban him |
22:13.13 | chaddy | what do you mean by gfto, AirPlanes2? |
22:13.22 | AirPlanes2 | that he should leave |
22:13.31 | TomTomTosch | stay on topic, please. |
22:13.31 | AirPlanes2 | why he tell me to switch to unstable ? |
22:13.38 | AirPlanes2 | thats very bad person |
22:13.45 | AirPlanes2 | he want to ruin my system |
22:13.54 | babilen | AirPlanes2: Installing a new version of QT is probably impossible and *please* don't say that users should be banned for no apparent reason. |
22:14.04 | chaddy | I think you should get the f out, myself, AirPlanes2; have done for a few days |
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22:14.16 | AirPlanes2 | chaddy, nah |
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22:14.28 | AirPlanes2 | babilen, explain why it is impossible? |
22:15.00 | babilen | Because QT is a massive library for which no backports exist and you'll have to use the one in Debian stable |
22:15.08 | babilen | judd: v qt5-default |
22:15.09 | judd | Package: qt5-default on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u1; stretch: 5.6.1+dfsg-3; sid: 5.6.1+dfsg-3; experimental: 5.7.0+dfsg-3 |
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22:15.13 | debidi | AirPlanes2: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/22/9d/05/229d052d7e3a5fac5f5f29e71f4c701b.gif |
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22:15.29 | AirPlanes2 | debidi, im not going to visit it |
22:15.34 | teraflops | AirPlanes2: I really cannot believe youre still alive here and not banned |
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22:16.43 | AirPlanes | debidi, im not going to visit it |
22:16.48 | debidi | xD |
22:16.53 | AirPlanes | debidi, why don't you explain what is in their? |
22:17.30 | debidi | such spite bro, an evil exploit is inside ofc |
22:17.37 | AirPlanes | yea |
22:17.43 | AirPlanes | my system is windows xp |
22:17.52 | TomTomTosch | why don't you stop spamming and stay on topic? |
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22:18.00 | babilen | judd: v qtbase5-dev |
22:18.01 | AirPlanes | im not spamming! |
22:18.02 | judd | Package: qtbase5-dev on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u1; stretch: 5.6.1+dfsg-3; sid: 5.6.1+dfsg-3; experimental: 5.7.0+dfsg-3 |
22:18.05 | AirPlanes | why yo guys are so rude |
22:18.09 | AirPlanes | i just want to install qt5 |
22:18.17 | AirPlanes | it is installed me qt 3 creator version ;_; |
22:18.25 | BinBasher | teraflops: sorry for the late reply, I just want to primarily use my nvidia card for opengl3 but primusrun doesn't work because of my problem provided in the arch linux link, couldn't find a better fix for it anywhere... nvidia module doesn't load |
22:18.43 | AirPlanes | and qt 5.3.2 and i want 5.6 or 5.5 |
22:19.00 | babilen | AirPlanes2: You can't install those versions on jessie |
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22:19.31 | babilen | debidi: As much as it might be tempting, try to stay on topic. Ta! :) |
22:19.31 | dvs | AirPlanes, There's no debian packages for that version of qt5 on jessie. |
22:19.46 | AirPlanes | why not??? |
22:20.15 | babilen | dpkg: stable |
22:20.15 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Jessie (8.5); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
22:20.33 | babilen | AirPlanes: ^ + the fact that no backport exist (as I elaborated on earlier) |
22:20.37 | miskatonic | I have already installed lots of stuff from sources that have no debian package |
22:20.38 | dvs | AirPlanes, because once jessie goes stable, there are only security and bug fixes, no upgrade. |
22:20.50 | AirPlanes | i don't know what is backport |
22:21.05 | AirPlanes | nvm |
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22:21.11 | AirPlanes | so is this in many apps? |
22:21.20 | babilen | "this" ? |
22:22.02 | TomTomTosch | do you have an actual issue with it or is it just the number you don't like? |
22:22.15 | AirPlanes | what i don't like |
22:22.21 | AirPlanes | wow man |
22:23.21 | debidi | AirPlanes: compile from source |
22:23.30 | jasonwc | Has anyone tested the multichannel support in Samba 4.4? Trying to decide between an upgrade to 10 Gbit NICs. I can easy get 2 or 4 Gbit using teaming adapters with concurrent connections but LACP only gives 1 Gbit for a single transfer without multi-threading. |
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22:23.41 | AirPlanes | debidi, but how am i going to remove a million of packages? |
22:23.44 | AirPlanes | -> of qt |
22:24.01 | debidi | AirPlanes: no need, just install ur freshly compiled qt to /usr/local |
22:24.22 | AirPlanes | <AirPlanes> do i need to remove what i have to install from download.qt.io? |
22:24.22 | AirPlanes | <thiago> no |
22:24.22 | AirPlanes | <thiago> well, you should remove the development files |
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22:25.09 | debidi | AirPlanes: it won't automagically make the software linked against qt3 work with the new version tho.. |
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22:25.48 | AirPlanes | ... |
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22:26.49 | AirPlanes | I mean I don't have Qt Qucik Controls Application option.. |
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22:33.45 | AirPlanes | lol |
22:33.53 | AirPlanes | he talks and mute me.. |
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22:35.16 | awal1 | debidi, I have used dd ... (several options) but no luck. I also tried with hdparm -r0 /dev/sdb & sdb1 and no errors, hdparm reports that it no longuer read only but the usb key still in fact read only & can't format it. Looks like it's protected (uefi stuff) and only the non-free Dell factory software can reverse things. Thanks for your time anyway. Usb is in garbage yet :P |
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22:36.36 | awal1 | 8 gb it have, not really important... |
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22:37.20 | debidi | flash mem is cheap nowadays |
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22:50.01 | docmur | Sometimes when I launch htop I see /sbin/getty processes pinned at 100%, I've been going in killing them but I can' figure out where they're coming from |
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23:05.35 | jair | Hello there, a quick question I am trying to build a usb utility to run different applications but live. Do you guys know of a good list of tools, it is debian capable to provide a very lean OS or bootable usb where I can select other isos or tools to run once is booted? |
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23:06.24 | awal1 | Whats happen when the grub is running fine but one execute grub-install Dev/sda ? |
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23:06.53 | awal1 | ^/dev/sda |
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23:10.03 | TomTomTosch | do you expect that command to work differnetly based on grub working fine or not? it generates a new grub core image regardless. |
23:10.21 | awal1 | I have an i386 system but I still have 300 gb disk free so I installed amd64 alongside. After copying all what I need from the i386 to amd46 partition I no longer need the i386 one. So planing to remove it and get 20 gb free space more. I believe that the grub running (handling boot) is the one installed by the amd debian installer, so I wonder if i must run grub-install /dev/sda && update-grub after removing the i386 partition if any or not |
23:11.06 | awal1 | get 200 gb more free space ^ |
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23:12.27 | JordiGH | The change from iceweasel to firefox has messed with xdg-open |
23:12.43 | JordiGH | I get: Firefox is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Firefox process, or restart your system. |
23:13.05 | JordiGH | But "firefox http://debian.org" loads correctly in a new tab. |
23:13.18 | JordiGH | Also, clicking links on the console loads the HTML source in Emacs, wtf. |
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23:14.21 | awal1 | I wont get a broken grub after removing the i386 partition . so I think I may have to run grub-install & update-grub but i dont know if it's necessary |
23:14.28 | miskatonic | so the logo of Firefox is no longer a problem for Debian? |
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23:14.57 | awal1 | TomTomTosch, grub-install winll overwrite the old grub core image or will create a second one or wha |
23:15.15 | awal1 | what ^ |
23:15.56 | JordiGH | Huh, xdg-open works fine now. |
23:15.56 | TomTomTosch | it should overwrite the old ones in /boot/grub/ |
23:16.35 | miskatonic | anyways, with Mozilla's decision to trash xulrunner I will not be able to tolerate firefox much longer |
23:16.52 | miskatonic | regardless of the name |
23:17.43 | awal1 | TomTomTosch, Thats what I think, and I already did it once months ago in another machine and all fine but not really sure if grub-install overwrites the old grub core image of creates a new one ending in a conflict. no sure |
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23:23.55 | poeticrpm | anyone here with debian installed on luks? |
23:24.02 | JordiGH | Yeah. |
23:24.07 | poeticrpm | preferably those using a keyfile |
23:24.16 | JordiGH | Yeah, those people exist. |
23:24.26 | JordiGH | In here. |
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23:24.49 | poeticrpm | JordiGH, been trying for 3 days all over google and asking in here- noone responded :P |
23:25.02 | JordiGH | Peter Noone is a busy man. |
23:25.17 | poeticrpm | ok. |
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23:41.21 | iLogic | hey guys whatâs the difference between bt-cd and iso-cd? |
23:42.15 | babilen | iLogic: Download via bittorrent vs http |
23:42.31 | iLogic | babilen: i see, thanks! |
23:42.42 | JordiGH | A good excuse to torrent boldly and without social stigma. |
23:43.08 | iLogic | also iâm trying to download the most complete iso with non-free firmware |
23:43.28 | JordiGH | Do you need it? |
23:43.38 | iLogic | so if i go via bittorrent it would be http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.5.0+nonfree/amd64/bt-cd/ ? |
23:43.47 | iLogic | well at least broadcom drivers |
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23:44.30 | karl | hi, i have a problem on a jessie gnome system. something seems to replace my resolv.conf file every few minutes |
23:44.36 | karl | and i cant find out what is doing that |
23:44.44 | JordiGH | It's not network-manager? |
23:44.59 | karl | no, journalctl -u NetworkManager does not show any activity |
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23:45.40 | karl | its really super annoying |
23:46.03 | karl | i tried to audit /etc/resolv.conf but that does not give me any information |
23:46.13 | karl | i have to add the nameservers manually every few minutes |
23:47.18 | karl | what else could be changing /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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23:48.02 | iLogic | JordiGH: i could make a bootable usb with the complete dvd image and then just add a folder with the firmware later, right? |
23:48.29 | n00b13 | karl: are you running systemd? |
23:48.45 | karl | yes, but i think i have disabled networkd |
23:49.13 | karl | how would i check ? |
23:50.18 | debidi | AirPlanes: "arch user" what are you speaking of ?? |
23:50.18 | n00b13 | karl:had the same issue yesterday :-D |
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23:50.58 | karl | how did you solve ? |
23:52.09 | n00b13 | karl: # while true; do echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf ; done <---- and solved :D |
23:52.38 | jmcnaught | hmmm... that isn't a good way |
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23:53.09 | karl | how can i find out who is changing resolv.conf ? |
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23:53.33 | jmcnaught | karl: does resolv.conf say what made it? |
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23:54.02 | jmcnaught | karl: are you using resolvconf? |
23:54.05 | karl | nope, the #created by network-manager line is missing |
23:54.37 | markybob | probably because you just overwrote it :P |
23:54.54 | karl | no, i keep adding a line with my nameserver.... |
23:55.27 | markybob | you did > . not >>. that's not adding |
23:55.49 | debidi | noodle: @ least add a sleep 60 or something to that loop |
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23:55.57 | karl | it might have something to do with ipv6. my resolv.conf file now contains only one entry and thats the ipv6 of my router |
23:56.05 | noodle | ? |
23:56.15 | jmcnaught | karl: if you run "journalctl -f" can you see anything trying to change it? |
23:56.22 | karl | still, its not network-manager that is maniplulating the file |
23:57.01 | Dagger | karl: might be rdnssd (in which case I made things better by installing resolvconf) |
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23:57.43 | karl | rdnssd is installed |
23:57.58 | karl | and running |
23:58.12 | jmcnaught | karl: what does resolv.conf get replaced with by the way? |
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23:58.32 | karl | currently one single line with "nameserver ipv6ofrouter" |