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00:13.06LionyxHello guys... i just installed python-pygame, but it seems to be a python 2 package. How do I install it for python3?
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00:19.49somiajLionyx: if there isn't a python3 package for it, you may have to create your own. I don't see one.
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00:22.20irinixso stupid question about bash, trying to assign the value of main to $projectName/src/main.cpp but it's saying ambiguous redirect later in the script, https://gist.github.com/KAmaia/e888b02c6df212efd3b5fcc7505d658e  which I assume means I'm not using the $ right
00:22.27irinixany pointers?
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00:30.21bumblefuzzhow do I write a shell script that prompts for an admin username and password before running?
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00:31.47irinixbumblefuzz why...why would you?
00:32.39bumblefuzzbecause the script runs some commands that can only be run as admin
00:32.53irinixbumblefuzz then have the user sudo ./script
00:34.04irinixor su ./script
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00:38.47irinixor even have the script itself sudo a command
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00:45.22rgwuirinix: ${projectName}/other/path/parts should solve your problems
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00:45.42rgwuirinix: you should write cpp code generators in python though
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00:50.26socommirinix: There's a #bash channel for just this kind of questions, amigou.
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00:51.23socommirinix: Also, make sure you put double quotes around your variables.
00:52.04socommhttp://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/quotingvar.html
00:52.30socommhttp://mywiki.wooledge.org/Quotes
00:53.03socommI think s/he left.
00:54.39irinixshe is still here
00:54.46irinixshe's just bashing away at this script
00:54.48irinixhehe
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01:00.35ToHellWithGAjelly: closing that port and using fail2ban solved the issue with huge logs
01:00.49ToHellWithGAnow i just need to grok ssh tunneled vnc
01:01.10ToHellWithGAmy android vnc client does not appear to support it, so i'll need to find another
01:01.16irinixwell crap
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01:02.37irinixhttps://gist.github.com/KAmaia/e888b02c6df212efd3b5fcc7505d658e
01:02.56irinixnow I'm having problems with the if $yesNo=="Y" segment
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01:21.37irinixSo why the double quotes?
01:21.47socommirinix: Read the links I gave you.
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01:23.26socommAlso you can just do 'mkdir -p "${projectname}"/{src,bin,include,build}'.
01:23.43socommOne fell swoop.
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01:27.56irinixhttps://gist.github.com/KAmaia/e888b02c6df212efd3b5fcc7505d658e
01:28.01irinixsocomm no way!
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01:29.18socommirinix: What if projectname is empty?
01:29.56socommOr something silly like / or '/ '.
01:30.49irinixsocomm well, I guess I'll have to validate input
01:30.51irinix=(
01:31.48socommhttps://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee-Old-and-abbandoned/issues/123
01:31.56socommGood idea. Lest you end up like these folks ^
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02:10.05DeaDSouLif I create a RAID, and later on I wanted to change the Distro.. what will/could happen to my RAID ?
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02:33.20choroi asked this earlier but i had to go and didn't see the answer so, i'll ask again: do you think (in windows) using the built in OS utilities to burn the debian netinst iso to a CD is sufficient enough to make an install CD?
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02:36.44mayhewchoro: yeah, Windows 8+ includes it built in right? Should be fine I think.
02:37.21choromayhew: wonderful, thanks! i'm about to reinstall windows + debian and i'm super paranoid about everything ;p i've backed everything up to my external drive, but it's still super frightening
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02:47.21Grug_wassup
02:48.28Grug_anybody awake?
02:48.30Grug_:)
02:48.31mayhewGrug_: hi
02:48.35Grug_hey
02:48.56Grug_just testing out the Linux on Windows subsystem.  Can't believe it works this well.
02:50.39mayhewGrug_: hah, nice :)
02:51.10mayhewThat's the value of open source software. It doesn't attempt to lock you into a platform.
02:51.32Grug_yeah, it's weird to be using bash on Windows... and being able to apt-get stuff. :D
02:52.24irinixGrug_ wait, what?
02:52.32irinixthey actually got that to market?
02:53.09Grug_You need Windows 10, and select insider builds in the settings.
02:53.15Grug_then you can install "Linux subsystem"
02:53.21Grug_and it works very nicely.
02:53.27Grug_so far that is
02:53.34Grug_I'm using irssi on windows
02:53.36Grug_:)
02:54.26Grug_it's very cool, because I'm using Debian and the Linux subsystem on WIndows is essentially ubuntu
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02:54.35Grug_so I already know how to use it
02:55.05Grug_so now you can dev on both Windows and linux at the same time
02:55.06Grug_heh
02:55.33marcidyHi, I'm having some kind of module version mismatch when building an initramfs from a ckt kernel.   The issue is that my box is fine, but the initramfs reports the ckt version ID, but the modules use the (normal? previous?) id.  http://paste.debian.net/772316/
02:55.41dvsblasphemy!
02:55.49Grug_yeah! lol
02:56.03Grug_strange times
02:57.11Grug_this is going to sound weird, but I think Windows 10 is running Linux faster than Linux was... I need to run some benchmarks...
02:57.44Grug_is there any good apt-get command line benchmarks?
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02:58.20choroGrug_: that's so cool omg, didn't know package managers would work
02:59.09Grug_yeah... lynx works, irssi works, gcc works, apt-get install, etc.
02:59.22Grug_it literally runs linux binaries
02:59.32mayhewGrug_: I highly doubt Windows is running Linux faster, it needs to do more work translating syscalls etc
02:59.40Grug_yeah I doubt it too
02:59.42mayhewrunning Linux binaries*
03:00.05Grug_but... from the blog, they say they aren't translating to Win32... they are intercepting and going straight to the NT kernel...
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03:00.22Grug_so who knows lol... maybe Linux on Windows is faster than Windows :D
03:00.37Grug_need to find some benchmarks...
03:00.45Grug_that I can apt-get and run
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03:04.51Grug_think I'm going to create a small fibonnaci benchmark and run on win vs. linux on win
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03:05.55Grug_just gotta figure out gcc options
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03:17.24Grug_wow amazing
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03:17.55Grug_linux on windows was 75% the speed of windows itself.  Not bad for a translation layer.
03:18.27Grug_seriously cool stuff.
03:18.40kcirickI've just noticed that my /sys/class/power_supply directory is empty... is this a problem? I don't have a battery (not a laptop), but I would've thought there would be a AC directory
03:19.51Grug_are the ac, battery, usb directories in there?  That's what I see.
03:20.00Grug_for power_supply
03:20.17kcirickGrug_: under /sys/class ?
03:20.27mayhewkcirick: I have nothing there either. I wouldn't worry :)
03:20.45Grug_yeah
03:20.56Grug_i'm running ubuntu i think
03:20.58Grug_:)
03:21.10kcirickGrug_: none of that under /sys/class
03:21.25Grug_hmmm... not sure.  what distro you running?
03:21.26kcirickmayhew: Hmm.. okay...
03:21.34kcirickdebian jessie
03:21.40Grug_oh my fav
03:22.15kcirickI wanted to get the power usage from there,
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03:23.05kcirickIs there another way to get a power usage?
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03:24.19Grug_i gotta stop playing around and get back to work lol
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03:28.59irinixGrug_ can you make it run X11?
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04:08.19peterrooneyI wish to change the chrome colors on iceweasel/firefox (pure white is a UI disaster) - sadly, a software giant has polluted the search results by naming a popular browser "chrome"  -  what else could  I search for?
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04:11.52jmcnaughtpeterrooney: theme?
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06:15.43EugenAcan someone help setup network for usb wlan adapter acting as access point? Wlan adapter is already working and I can connect to it with mobile phone. Just need to setup dhcp and maybe routing
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06:44.05ChrisHEugenA: For a quick and fast solution you can use dnsmasqd. For a stable way _I_ would recommend to use a full blown dhpcd, dns-server (bind, unbound, ...) routing should be the easiest part
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06:44.54EugenAi would like to use bridge, I can create it, but i'm not sure about configuration
06:45.10EugenAfirst idea was to create bridge like this: http://pastebin.com/SK9v9LXu
06:45.24EugenAis this ok? my local network is 192.168.100.221 / 255.255.255.0
06:45.32ChrisHWhat did you use for the AP Part?
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06:46.10EugenAhostapd. It is working, I can connect to access point with my mobile phone
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06:49.54ChrisHEugenA: I used bridges twice (during a RedHat Training and Exam). From my memory hostapd should do the rest and no bridging is needed at all. But you need to wait for someelse beeing more familiar.  I am not sure if a bridge interface is needed here
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06:50.51EugenAChrisH: it looks like there is two ways: bridge or nat. I would like to configure bridge
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06:56.14ChrisHbridging is better, but is there a bridge intertface needed or can hostapd do that for you? I do not know, so lets wait
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07:39.48brimonkHey, quick question. Why is gdb-doc marked as a non-free package? https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gdb-doc
07:40.10brimonkI just want to do a 'man gdb' and I can't.
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07:42.49jelly!gfdl
07:42.49dpkg[gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases.  Read the discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html .  See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001
07:42.55jelly^^ brimonk
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07:43.24jelly!non-free sources
07:43.24dpkgEdit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update».  But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software.  These may have onerous terms; check the licenses.  See also <sources.list>.
07:43.30jellyto install it
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07:44.37brimonkjelly: I'm not really that upset about it, I'm just more confused as to why it IS non free. I'll have to do some reading.,
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07:46.42brimonkjelly: Thanks thought.
07:46.44brimonk*though
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07:46.57Muvlonhi
07:47.00Muvlonsome of the links on https://www.debian.org/misc/merchandise seem to be outdated and link to dead pages
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07:48.57brimonkjelly: I wonder how that makes Richard Stallman feel.
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07:49.54Muvlonthese are http://www.it2l.com/debian-d-2.html, http://www.digistickr.de/debian-sticker.html and http://www.enventelibre.org/debian
07:50.47Muvlonwhat's the policy regarding these?
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07:51.22jellyMuvlon: ideally, you'd file a bug against www.debian.org virtual package, list your findings and someone would fix it
07:51.43Muvlonalright, I'll do that
07:51.44jelly"www.debian.org" is the name of the package to reportbug for.
07:51.57Muvlonmaybe there's a report there already
07:51.57jellythanks!
07:52.08jellythat's quite possible yeah
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08:19.09esetHey .... I'm configuring Debian through ILO and need ifenslave package. I mounted DVD-1 but no package was found. How can I retrieve this packacge ? Is it in specific ISO number ?
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08:22.07Mavawhat is like.. the fastest way to transfer a lot of small files from one server to another
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08:22.45esetMava: scp/rsync
08:22.48Mava1Gb network and both with SSD disks and 8 core CPU's. like the environment is valid.. but the nfs + cp or nfs+rsync is way too slowish
08:22.55Mavaeset: can it be parallelized ?
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08:23.28esethttp://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/189878/parallelise-rsync-using-gnu-parallel
08:23.32Mavai tried the parallel -j8 rsync and so on, but no luck =/
08:23.53Mavalike, command goes through, but nothing ever happens
08:24.09Mavaso it seems i've got the right tool, just need to find out howto use it
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08:28.08f4cl3yHey Guys, will Icedove be ended in favor of Thunderbird?
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08:41.59jellyf4cl3y: yes, it's going to be renamed back to thunderbird too
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08:43.36jellyf4cl3y: https://bugs.debian.org/816679
08:43.38juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/816679 in icedove (open): «icedove: Please rename icedove to thunderbird»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-03-03; last modified: 2016-06-01.
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08:43.56MuvlonMava: if security is not an issue (i.e. if you can sign the files and transmit the signature through a secure channel) then you could just use tar|nc
08:44.04saunameesHmm, Should I setup gitlab on VM or physical machine ? I will be the only one to use it ?
08:44.08f4cl3yjelly: thanks :)
08:44.27MavaMuvlon: good point
08:44.30Muvlonkinda low-tech but at least there is not overhead other than TCP/IP
08:44.49Mavathis time no problem with the security, got a nice and secured network so to say =)
08:45.12Mavabut though it seems the overhead either is not the problem, more like the seek time from disks. but the tar|nc might even help in that
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08:45.43Mavabecause it's just a raw file transfer which does not question whether worked or not
08:46.35Iridosnfs is slow as such... and nfs won't like a lot of small files, even with a big raid behind the nfs
08:47.12xeloIs anyone running Jessie on a Thinkpad T400? On my machine I receive strange errors,
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08:48.20Iridosare you going to share what the errors are or do we wait until someone else with a T400 turns up and tells us? :)
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08:49.06choroquestion: i made some partitions in windows, and i wanna install debian to one of them. how do i do that from the installer? i'm very inexperienced with partitioning
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08:49.19xeloIridos: Sure, dmesg: "pciehp 0000:00:1c.4:pcie04: Card not present on Slot(4)" and "pciehp 0000:00:1c.4:pcie04: Card present on Slot(4)" as well as "Link Training Error occurs" and "Failed to check link status".
08:49.20MavaIridos: would it be better to use native rsync push server then ?
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08:49.45choro^ this is the partition i'd like to install to https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Y49hUSc7/1467276561.JPG
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08:55.34ghormoonhi, any better idea how to detect if you can connect to remote X than to repeatedly start xeyes (or something else) until it stops crashing? :)
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09:03.08IridosMava, tar -cv[zj ]f - | nc host 9000  <--> nc -l -p 9000 | tar -xf -   would really be the fastest single-threaded way (and compression can make it faster or make it slower, depending on disk speed, cpu-speed and compression algorithm)
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09:04.16Iridosxelo, I would agree that the first two are weird (if connected to an actual error happening) the 2nd one could just be a loose or faulty ethernet cable?
09:05.57xelounfortunately that's not related to ethernet, but the PCIe-Ports
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09:09.57Iridoscalm down, debhelper... calm down...
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09:15.57choroin the debian netinst, how would i go about installing debian to a pre-existing partition on a drive?
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09:16.42jellychoro: easily in the manual/assisted partitioning mode
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09:18.27jellychoro: any data on any previously existing filesystem on that partition will be lost
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09:19.23chorojelly: would something like this work? #5 is the partition i want to install to https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/tXx6qAdx/1467278336.JPG
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09:20.36angorchoro: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition
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09:21.05jellychoro: yeah, you'd pick that and use it for / mount point
09:21.14choroangor: thanks, i'll look at this
09:21.23chorojelly: oh, great!
09:21.28angorchoro: you\llhave to mount at least "/" (and I'm not sure about swap)
09:21.29xeloIridos:  the "Link Training Error" messages, also have a "pciehp 0000:00:1c.4:pcie04" prefix
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09:22.07angorchoro: remove "format partition" flag
09:22.17angorif you want to save data
09:22.32choroangor: nah, i dont need to save anything on that partition; it's fresh
09:22.35angorbut,,, this may be a bad idea for new system..
09:22.40angorkewl
09:23.18choroangor: does this look sufficient, or am i missing something? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/REeNoc5N/1467278574.JPG
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09:23.35jellyI'm not sure why is 800GB unusable there. :-)
09:23.59chorojelly: not sure either, that's been there ever since i installed windows 7 for the first time :~\
09:24.24choroi've never needed that space, though, so (irresponsibly) i ignored it
09:24.31angorchoro: you have to install debian after all windows installations
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09:24.55choroangor: yup! windows is installed on partition #2; i created these partitions with windows
09:25.05angorotherwise you'll lose grub
09:25.12angorok, good
09:25.25choro#2 - windows, #5 - desired debian, #6 - empty (shared partition)
09:25.42angorjelly: does swap necessary now?
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09:26.00angorI don't remember exactly about swap
09:26.37yossarianukhi - when I installed Debian (8) I had no network so do not have a complete sources.list - is there a command to re-add apt sources after installation ?
09:26.46angorchoro: how many RAM do you have?
09:27.04choro8GB; swap is used for vram, right?
09:27.23angorswap is used for swap :)
09:27.36chorooh, well. that would make sense ;p
09:27.45chorois a swap partition necessary?
09:27.52angorchoro: https://wiki.debian.org/Swap
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09:28.55angorchoro: I'd suggest to split this partition into 2: / and swap
09:29.04chorooh, wait, i found something useful
09:29.09angorjelly: makes sense?
09:29.34choroi deleted the partition, then let the installer automatically create partitions in the free space
09:29.37sumihello
09:29.38chorothe result was this:
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09:29.51chorohttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ccnZZduD/1467278985.JPG
09:30.05angorchoro: looks good for me
09:30.12jellyangor: in theory, not really, butI think  some kernel algorithms for reclaiming and aggregating free memory rely on _some_ of it being present
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09:30.29choroangor: wonderful, i'll probably go ahead with this; i trust the installer
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09:30.40angorchoro: yep, go ahead
09:31.06jellychoro: 16GB is too much, 2GB is enough unless you're going to use hibernation
09:31.42jellythe installer makes some REALLY outdated assumptions when it picks sizes
09:32.05angorKiB Swap:  7812092 total,    40004 used,  7772088 free.
09:32.18qmrthis question comes up too often.   1-2GB is plenty of space
09:32.20angoryes, that makes sense to decrease swap size
09:32.29yossarianuki.e when you install debian you choose a network mirror - how can I re-run that command after istall ?
09:32.32yossarianuk*install*
09:32.43angoryossarianuk: add manually
09:33.00yossarianukwhere do I find the info?
09:33.49jellyyossarianuk: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
09:34.21angore.g. echo "deb http://ftp.by.debian.org/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib" >> /etc/apt/sources.list  -- https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
09:35.00yossarianukcheers - I know to edit  he source.list file - I mean where can I find the mirror URL's to add?
09:35.10jellyah
09:35.13jelly!mirrors
09:35.13dpkgDebian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <httpredir.debian.org>, <debian mirror checker>.  To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <ftpsync>, <mirror size>.  #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net.
09:35.15chorojelly: i do enjoy hibernation so i may keep these sizes
09:35.26yossarianukthanks - I have just found this also
09:35.27yossarianukhttps://debgen.simplylinux.ch/
09:35.43jellyyossarianuk: don't use that, the form is often broken
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09:36.02jelly!jessie sources.list
09:36.02dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
09:36.10angoryossarianuk: do not forget to add security mirror too
09:36.14jelly!wb Iridos
09:36.14dpkgO frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!  Iridos has returned!
09:36.26Iridos^^
09:36.28yossarianukit would be good if the command used on the installer could be re-accessed....
09:36.47Iridoslet there be cake
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09:37.51yossarianuk(as a suggestion for future imporvements)
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09:45.03Iridoswhat command
09:45.12Iridosit seems I was absent when that was mentioned
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09:48.21Ricothere's no nfdump-sflow packet for debian jessie, is there a reason to that ?
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09:59.51Iridosmaybe bug #766493
09:59.53juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/766493 in src:nfdump (closed): «nfdump: FTBFS: autoheader: command not found»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-10-23; last modified: 2015-01-14.
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10:02.29Ricommh i don't think
10:02.31Ricoso
10:03.01CueballHi everyone. I'm having a little trouble with udev rules. I have a file /etc/udev/rules.d/80-energenie.rules which at currently matching vendor and product id and setting it to mode 0666. However it seems to be ignored by udev. Anything I could be missing?
10:03.05CueballATTRS{idVendor}=="04b4", ATTRS{idProduct}=="fd13", MODE="0666"
10:03.09CueballThat is current contents. Tried with ATTR rather than ATTRS and also with UBSYSTEM=="usb" on there too.
10:03.36IridosRico, well, https://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nfdump.html
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10:04.28Iridosjessie was frozen 2014-11-05 and released 2015-04-25
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10:05.33Iridosand nfdump has only been in unstable in the time period between freeze and release, so it couldn't become stable
10:06.47Iridosit only came back to unstable at 2014-10-21 so something held it back from migrating to testing until the freeze... and during the freeze it wouldn't happen automatically anymore
10:07.42Iridosbut only ~2 weeks between the new package and the freeze... packages take about 2 weeks to migrate anyway, so maybe just bad timing
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10:09.02IridosCueball, don't you get errors in dmesg?
10:09.52CueballIridos: No.
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10:15.02CueballIridos: Bus 002 Device 015: ID 04b4:fd13 Cypress Semiconductor Corp.
10:16.09CueballThat's the device which works absolutly fine as root. Normal mask is set to 0664 which prevents a normal user writing to it.
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10:27.48doublehphas cpuburn package been removed ?
10:27.59doublehp!help
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10:38.01jellydoublehp: /msg judd versions cpuburn
10:38.07IridosCueball, the line looks fine to me... ATTR seems safer to use.
10:38.36doublehpi have strect h :'(
10:38.53doublehpI installed it on jessie, and imported the apk; dpkg worked fine
10:39.08jellydoublehp: also, /msg judd bug rm cpuburn
10:39.25doublehpi did
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10:41.51jellythen you have an answer
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10:47.33CueballIridos: So what do you think the problem is?
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11:04.06MisterGadflyJesus Christ, phoronix-test-suite is incredibly buggy
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11:21.15IridosCueball, well... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/how-do-i-debug-udev-rules-827649/
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11:21.54Iridossounds a bit like it's not being run at all for some reason
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11:35.40CueballIridos: Yeah my thoughts exactly. It's like it's ignoring /etc/udev/rules.d/80-energenie.rules
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11:36.19CueballBut I know it's not because i've had an error in it which got picked up by udev.
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11:39.28wh0amihi guys
11:39.50wh0amitonight i get attacked with some connections, i tried: netstat -tn 2>/dev/null | awk '{print $5}' | cut -d: -f1 | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr | head -- and it returned: 1220 189.132.250.x
11:40.09wh0amii banned this ip range and killed process and restarted again and all was ok, it was on the 3724 port with ESTABLISHED status
11:40.16wh0amiiptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 3724 -i eth0 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -m recent --set; iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 3724 -i eth0 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -m recent --update --seconds 15 --hitcount 20 -j DROP
11:40.20bumbar_how tricky is to restore shift deleted files?
11:40.23wh0amishould this rule be enough?
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11:45.46babilenbumbar_: shift deleted?
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11:47.19Kirilhello, guys
11:47.21bumbar_babilen, pressed shift + delete (in gnome gui), but was told it's high impossible or rather too much work
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11:47.52Kirilwhat packages do i need to resolve these issues: iptables v1.4.21: Couldn't load match `iplimit':No such file or directory , iptables v1.4.21: unknown option "--pkttype", iptables v1.4.21: Couldn't load match `iplimit':No such file or directory
11:48.01babilenbumbar_: Are they in the rubbish bin or does "shift + delete" delete them immediately?
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11:48.52Iridosdelete probably puts them into the bin, shift-del deletes immediately?
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11:49.02bumbar_deletes them immediately
11:49.08Iridosif so, the next question would be what filesystem the files were on
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11:49.51Iridosin any case the files are gone whenever something is written to disk that overwrites them (except in your backups, of course)
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11:52.27Iridossupposing that was in your home directory... "df -h ~" tells you "Mounted on" (most likely "/home"  or "/" ) and
11:52.39Kirilanyone>
11:52.42bumbar_ext2. i figured nodes are marked as clear, but contents aren't erased (unless of course overwritten, by chance)
11:53.03Iridosext2? No journaling?
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11:54.28Iridosext3/ext4 have pretty much the best chances for recovery of all file systems (except maybe fat), I think... dunno how much of that is true for ext2
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11:54.43Iridosthere's extundelete and... testdisk
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11:55.30Iridosthere's more general-purpose stuff like magicrescue, which just looks for the magic bytes on the begin of sectors and tries to guess from there on
11:55.41Iridosoh, and there's e2undel
11:56.23Iridosbut I think it was this that worked for me last time: extundelete --output-dir /tmp/und/ --after 1362712213 --restore-all /dev/sdd1
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11:57.09Iridosthe number after --after are seconds since 1970... you get them with something like this: date -d '1 day ago' +%s
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12:11.07bumbar_Iridos, thanks for your time and help, but i'll just fuck it up more trying to salvage. i'll take an old backup and apply changes while i still remember them
12:11.08wh0amiis that ok or do i miss something? iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 3724 -i eth0 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -m recent --set iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 3724 -i eth0 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -m recent --update --seconds 15 --hitcount 20 -j DROP
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12:25.11CueballIridos: Sorted my problem. Added ACTION=="add" to the rule and it works fine.
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12:30.33wh0amihow can i know how much time iptables bans/drop an ip or packets?
12:31.17cra1g321check config file
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12:32.19Kirilguys what is needed to resolve this issue with iptables --> iptables v1.4.21: Couldn't load match `iplimit':No such file or directory , iptables v1.4.21: unknown option "--pkttype", iptables v1.4.21: Couldn't load match `iplimit':No such file or directory
12:32.33Kirilis there any additional packages i have to install or what?
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12:41.24Iridosare you executing random iptables lines you found somewhere on the internets?
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12:41.56mfehi
12:41.59mfei cant install man-db
12:42.00mfehttp://paste.debian.net/772378/
12:42.07saunameesI don't understand, when configuring bridge, it suggests to use <username>. Does it mean only on user on host will have internet or something ? https://wiki.debian.org/QEMU
12:42.07mfeshould i create a user man?
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12:43.27Iridosmfe, sarge? This is on sarge??
12:43.31mfey
12:43.41mfeI get chown: `man:root': invalid user
12:43.55sypher... sarge.
12:44.06Iridosarcheology is all good and well... but...
12:44.06mfeI guess I have to create a user named man, right?
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12:44.19Iridosseems so
12:44.29mfewithout home directory right?
12:44.30Iridosalthough... even on sarge that user should already exist?
12:44.33syphersaunamees: No, that indicates which user 'owns' the bridge device.
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12:45.04Iridosnow let's fix some problems on Bo
12:45.07jubo2y0 copyleft piipöl
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12:45.23jubo2I need to crontab something that needs to run with su rights
12:45.31jubo2How do I go about this intelligently?
12:46.10Iridosjubo2,  su - <type password>... crontab -e ... i ... enter stuff
12:47.13Iridosyeah, I know... canny
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12:48.45mfehi
12:48.59jubo2Iridos: Okays
12:49.04jubo2I 'sudo su'
12:49.20mfenow i get http://paste.debian.net/772380/ sh: line 1: /usr/bin/pager: No such file or directory
12:49.26mfeanybody knows how to fix this?
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12:50.45saunameeswell I do everything according to the qemu doc, but no connection :( eth0 on VM has no ip from dhcp
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12:55.41bugnutsmusic player, with playlist, that supports m4a?
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12:56.22bugnutsi have the codecs
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12:58.57grosjeano/ all
12:59.22grosjeananyone experiencing issue with debian jessie , gre tunnel and strongswan ipsec ?
13:00.12grosjeanthe table 220 is not updated until i had the local ip of the gre tunnel into the loopback
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13:02.31hiyacurve25519-sha256@libssh.org - does debian 7 have support for this Kex in SSH?
13:02.36hiyaanyone with 7 here?
13:02.50hiyassh -Q kex
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13:04.45tortali use putty to ssh into a debian guest on virtualbox. I also use vcXsrv (it's like xming) for x11 forwawrding. is there some way to come around copying .Xauthority file everytime i want to forward a window when switching user ? I need to copy .Xauthority into e.g. the root home directory after switching to root - otherwise the auth will fail
13:05.17saunameesWhen I configure a bridge, I seem to lose connection to outside world, resolv.conf looks identical, I can ping router tho
13:05.22saunameesideas ?
13:05.43bugnutshiya, i belive it does
13:05.53bugnutserr hang on
13:06.01bugnutsnot sure about the sha
13:06.11bugnutslet me check my config
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13:08.28bugnutshiya, im not sure its supported, even the most verbose debugging does not show the kex, but its my first priority for ssh KexAlgorithim and it dosnt thow an error
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13:09.05hiyassh -Q kex
13:09.09hiyassh -Q cipher
13:09.16hiya7 users give me out put plz
13:09.41hiyabugnuts, are you on 7?
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13:11.52bugnutshiya, 7?
13:11.59bugnutsnot sure what that is
13:12.07bugnutsbut sure i know you from other channels :P
13:12.22bugnutsbtw you might be intrested in this....
13:12.25bugnutshttps://stribika.github.io/2015/01/04/secure-secure-shell.html
13:12.39bugnutsthats a really deep and detailed look at hardnening ssh
13:13.09hiyabugnuts, 7 is Debian Wheezy
13:13.22hiyaif you are on it, please give me output of those two commands plz
13:13.27bugnutsoh ok, yes, my bad, will do
13:13.34bugnutsim on the qubes variety
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13:15.55bugnutsjust setting up the vm;
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13:24.51bugnutshiya, http://hastebin.com/fuxibipero.pl enjoy :P
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13:30.40bugnutsplz let me know if you can harden that ssh config further
13:32.22abrotman!harden
13:32.22dpkgTo secure and harden a Debian GNU/Linux system, ask me about <securing debian> and <security>.  See also <security backports>, <tracker of doom>, <d:sbd>, <grsecurity>, <exec shield>.
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13:38.09hiyabugnuts, wow that is really good :D thanks
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13:39.47bugnutsabrotman, ty :)
13:39.55bugnuts!tracker of doom
13:39.55dpkgThe Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ .  Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number.  See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/
13:40.26bugnuts!d:sbd
13:41.17bugnuts!exec shield
13:41.17dpkgExec Shield is a patch set for the Linux kernel on i386 (not relevant for x86_64, Debian bug #516488) to protect against stack smashing attacks and other exploits.  Packaged for Debian as linux-patch-exec-shield in squeeze, see /usr/share/doc/linux-patch-exec-shield/README.Debian for more information.  See also <kernel-package>.  http://people.redhat.com/mingo/exec-shield/
13:41.19uni_toschbugnuts /msg dpkg <factoid>
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13:42.26bugnutskk sry
13:42.39tortalstrange empty files, with strange names, keep popping up seemingly randomly> -rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp Jun 30 14:38 ?0?@@X?@8?@!???@@@@@?????????@?@?????@@????
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13:43.34greycatThat could be file system corruption, or someone attempting to do something naughty.
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13:43.47greycatThe sane timestamp points more toward naughty than corruption.
13:44.02bugnutsdebsums -s
13:44.03bugnuts?
13:44.21greycatWho is "usr" and what is "grp" and where is the file located?
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13:46.03tortali changed it.. it is my username.. here is the unfiltered output for ls -laF:
13:46.04tortal-rw-r--r-- 1 tortal tortal     0 Jun 30 14:38 ?0?@@X?@8?@!???@@@@@?????????@?@?????@@????
13:46.42tortalbut this is a local VM. so it doesnt make sense
13:46.46greycatSo *you* created it?  Then you either have a buggy program, or an unruly creature has been stepping on your keyboard, or ... as a very remote possibilty, some kind of minor file system corruption.
13:47.12greycatOr something wrong with your "VM".
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13:48.07tortala debian guest that i run with virtualbox on a windows host.
13:48.21greycatWindows is involved.  Oh boy.
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13:49.03tortalthese are corporate issue. cant change
13:49.23greycat*Corporate* windows!  The best windows of all windows!
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13:49.59bugnutstortal, nice 19 debsums -s
13:50.04greycatIf you fsck the file system and it comes out clean, then you have to consider the other possibilities besides file system corruption.  Like VM corruption.  Or a bug.  Or your cat has taken over your account.
13:50.08bugnutswill scan for package corruption
13:50.15tortalother day when i logged in to the intranet from home - suddenly my background picture for the login screen changed.. like on the fly
13:50.25tortalscary stuff
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13:51.07jhutchinstortal: Very strange.  I have never "logged in to the internet".
13:51.14greycatintranet, not internet
13:51.28greycatAnd I don't know what a "login screen" is, or why it would have a picture.
13:52.01greycatI'm betting it has something to do with windows.
13:52.22tortalhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intranet
13:52.38tortalgenerally, you need to login to the intranet
13:53.11tortallogin screen is the GUI that asks for you username and password
13:53.15greycatYou are mashing up words like a windows user.
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13:53.52tortaland GUIs have bitmaps. otherwise they wouldnt be a GUI
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13:54.29greycatUsually a VPS login involves typing a password, and that's it.  And the only times I've done it, I used a command in a shell in a terminal, not a GUI.
13:54.36jhutchinstortal: That is totally under the control of whoever is responsible for your intranet.  They can make it anything they want.
13:54.55greycatErr, I meant VPN.
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13:55.09tortaljhutchins: yes... im just saying.
13:55.13bugnutsintranet logins are usually just dns redirects to a login portal
13:55.21bugnutsvia browser
13:55.35greycatIt's totally unclear whether he is talking about a VPN, or an HTTP proxy, or something else.
13:55.46greycatBut he's a windows user.  So nothing he says is EVER going to be clear.
13:55.55ioudaspfft
13:56.02tortalpointless..
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14:10.57bugnutshiya, btw i forgot, ssh works by gracefull fallback, if the negotiation fails it it selects the next one on the list, so strongest first
14:11.45tinyhippoI have a working configuration file for exim4 on CentOS, however exim4 on debian wants to generate a config randomly and place it in /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated - how can I just tell it to use a specific config file?
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14:25.30dob1hi, using rsync as mirror utility, can rsync detect moved files, instead of deleting and re-transfer them?
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14:26.21greycatNot that I'm aware of.  You could ask #rsync.
14:26.42dob1greycat, i try, thanks
14:27.31saunameesMy VM does not take ip from tap interface ... Initial conf was done with with default (10.0.2.15)
14:27.48saunameesafter boot it is just without ip
14:28.18saunameesbridge is up, tap is up
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14:35.31MisterGadflyOut of curiosity, does Ubuntu have "spyware" embedded in its packages except for the Amazon/Unity bullshit?
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14:36.11yossarianukMisterGadfly: no - the 'spyware' was unity's online search
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14:36.36yossarianuki.e Kubuntu,Linux mint ,etc do not have the issue
14:36.47yossarianukand I think since 16.04 its not disabled by default
14:36.54yossarianuksorry *now*
14:37.09yossarianuki.e *now* disabled by default
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14:38.21MisterGadflyyossarianuk: thanks
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14:38.50MisterGadflyDebian will remain my main distribution, but going to install Ubuntu on my other PC
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14:39.57yossarianukWell Ubuntu is based on Debian.
14:40.15yossarianukI love Debian, but not Debian stable as a desktop
14:40.27yossarianukNeptuneOS is pretty nice though
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14:40.34jmcnaughtUbuntu also has its own channel, which is a better place to ask Ubuntu questions :)
14:40.58Stummidebian testing/sid is nice on the desktop
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14:45.14MisterGadflyI have had no problems with sid
14:45.27greycatYet.
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14:58.42ZiosaHi, How can I resolve this issue with SSH, which persists even after removing the .ssh/known_hosts file? http://pastebin.com/raw/Cu7aPQfs
14:59.17greycatType "yes" instead of "no".
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15:03.22nuxi am having an issue with systemctl and openvpn
15:03.38nuxsystemctl status openvpn shows it's running
15:03.41kanyeezyis there any way to raise the character limit on file names on jessie?
15:03.52nuxbut there are two vpn configs, or servers, running. one of them is not running
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15:28.47greycatbug #782719
15:28.48juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/782719 in lvm2 (closed): «lvm2: Strange state of lvmetad»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-04-16; last modified: 2015-09-27.
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15:29.20greycatWhat the hell does "lvmetad is now enabled by default." mean?  Do we just ignore these warnings?
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15:31.18ashkahi, is it possible to use the gateway in a post-up in a inet dhcp connection in /etc/network/interfaces ? basically inet dhcp post-up route add -net 1.2.3.4/1 gw <current gateway>
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15:32.41ZiosaHi, how can I resolve this issue with SSH, which persists even after removing the .ssh/known_hosts file? New output, after typing "yes": http://pastebin.com/0a6HpZFB
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15:34.35ashkaZiosa: the remote server needs to have your public key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys as it won't allow password authentication
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15:37.04Ziosaashka: My remote server is a live system running debian 8.5. It does not have a ~/.ssh folder. How can I generate this?
15:37.20greycatmkdir ~/.ssh
15:37.23jhutchinsashka: Is the dhcp server not supplying the correct gateway?
15:37.28ashkaZiosa: as the user, mkdir .ssh, edit .ssh/authorized_keys and add your key in it
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15:38.22ashkajhutchins: that's not the issue, it's a secondary interface and I have to route a subnet that's outside of the netmask of this interface, but the gateway IP is provided by dhcp
15:38.38Ziosaashka: Previously, I would never have to carry this out. It would be setup automatically. I have not manually created any public key. Why is this nolonger the case?
15:38.58ZiosaUpon, using the ssh [host] command.
15:39.06ashkaZiosa: I'm not sure, the default openssh-server configuration allows password authentication
15:39.30jhutchinsConnecting to the host and accepting it's key should create .ssh and .ssh/known_hosts
15:39.55greycatOn the client.
15:40.10ZiosaThat is created on my local machine, however the connection fails, as shown in my pastebin link above.
15:40.25greycatI gather he's trying to set up authorized_keys on a server, except that his "server" is running a fucking transient Live CD thing that wipes itself every boot.
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15:40.48greycatSo you'll just have to re-create the authorized_keys file every time you boot.
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15:42.00greycatassumes bug #782719 is harmless, and ignores the 13 instances of "WARNING: ..." that he got when he apt-get upgraded
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15:44.40ZiosaI am simply trying to send a file to the live system with scp. However, the connection fails. Then, I tried to ssh into it, using a password, which also fails, as shown in my pastebin.
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15:45.47ZiosaRemoving the ~/.ssh/known_hosts file on my client had no effect. Also, I can ping the target and my firewalls are open.
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15:47.29DammitJimZiosa, I think something is borked with your ssh_config
15:47.38DammitJimwhere it doesn't know where to find the private keys
15:47.54jmcnaughtZiosa: which user are you doing this as (on the local side)?
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15:48.03greycatWell, the box rebooted OK.  So I guess the 13 lvmetad WARNINGs weren't immediately fatal.
15:48.52jorgesanjuanHi, Is anyone aware of whether it is possible to boot a HP moonshot m400 with Debian? The kernel always hangs in the same place. Someone told me on #Fedora-arm that the actual kernel 4.6 doesn't support the ACPI needed for the PCi-e
15:49.52Ziosajmcnaught, The client user, I am attemping to connect from, is called "user" in the provided output. Same as above: http://pastebin.com/raw/0a6HpZFB
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15:50.20DammitJimand obviously user exists on the other server?
15:50.53jhutchins!paste
15:50.53dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
15:50.55jmcnaughtZiosa: the reason i ask is because password authentication is disabled over ssh in jessie by default. perhaps you could paste the /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server?
15:50.58ashkaZiosa: do you usually use a password when connecting through SSH ?
15:51.10jhutchinsZiosa: pastebin.com is blocked here and at many companies.
15:51.49Ziosajhutchins, Okay, sorry.
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15:53.43Ziosaashka, Previously, I have always used the defaults, simply typing ssh host. Then, entrying in a password for the remote machine.
15:53.46Iridos"password authentication is disabled over ssh in jessie by default"??
15:53.49Iridoswhat?
15:53.57jmcnaughtoh sorry.. i meant for root
15:54.03DammitJimfor root
15:54.03Iridosah
15:54.04Ziosaoh
15:54.15Iridos:)
15:54.20ashkaZiosa: your ssh server is not allowing password authentication in your paste
15:54.50ZiosaThis, is a live system, debian 8.5. All defaults. How do I correct this?
15:54.51marcidyHi.  I'm trying to build a initramfs while on a -ckt kernel.   uname-a reports two verison IDs, the "standard" 3.16.0-4-amd64, and the new kernel maintainer 3.16.7-ckt25.  uname -r reports the standard ID.  The modules are all in the standard ID directory, but seem to report the ckt version.  there's more in the paste: http://paste.debian.net/772458/  The problem is the initramfs looks for the ckt modules, not the standard, so it fails.
15:55.05jmcnaughtZiosa: please make a paste of the sshd_config
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15:55.11Ziosaok
15:55.42jhutchinsDoes the live user (user) have a password?
15:55.56Iridos/home/user isn't root, though.
15:55.57ZiosaBy default it is "live"
15:56.20ZiosaI tried, ssh user@192.168.0.5, identical output.
15:56.28greycatWhy are you using a transient "Live" system as a server?
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15:56.49jmcnaughtIridos: that is also true. it's coffee time i guess
15:56.50Ziosagreycat: It is a vm.
15:57.29DammitJimZiosa, you could also try creating a new user
15:57.36greycatWhy the fuck are you using a transient "Live" system in a transient VM in a transient buzzword nondefault enterprise paradigm leverage synergy [redacted] ...
15:57.37DammitJimon the live system
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15:57.40DammitJimset a password
15:57.42Iridosjmcnaught, I see you're getting into that deep learning stuff ;)
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15:57.43DammitJimand try to log on to it
15:58.17greycatI swear, the less someone knows, the more complicated the bullshit they try to do.
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15:58.34DammitJimgreycat, what is that law called? :D
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15:59.06Iridosbut that's how some of the greatest discoveries were made... by people who didn't know something wasn't possible and hence tried it
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16:04.27Ziosajmcnaught, My client /etc/ssh/sshd_config is here https://paste.debian.net/hidden/8a669af6/ The remote one is the debian 8.5 defaults.
16:04.34greycat*sigh*
16:04.37greycatJesus Christ.
16:04.54Ziosa?
16:05.11greycat"I'm'a set up a live CD in a VM but I don't even know what the difference is between an ssh client and an ssh server"
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16:05.48greycatIS IT PRECISELY THE /etc/ssh/sshd_config ON THE SERVER that we need to see, to understand why the SERVER is behaving in a way you do not like.
16:06.07greycatShowing us a server config file from the CLIENT serves no purpose at all.
16:06.17jmcnaughtZiosa: please show us the sshd_config from the server. /etc/ssh/ssh_config and ~/.ssh/config would also be helpful
16:06.25greycatSaying it is "8.5 defaults" proves that you did not even LOOK at it.
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16:06.42Ziosajmcnaught, Sorry, okay.
16:07.04greycatClearly it is not the same as the defaults from a NON-LIVE SYSTEM.  And since none of use a LIVE system, we don't know what you have.
16:08.04greycatIt wouldn't even surprise me if ALL forms of authentication are disabled because nobody ever intended the LIVE system to be used as a server.
16:09.14Ziosagreycat, I have certainly been able to do this a few weeks ago. That is why I ask.
16:09.25greycatWhat did you change?
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16:10.00Ziosagreycat, A new .iso is the only thing I am aware of.
16:10.23ZiosaOtherwise, I would have reversed any other changes, if I knew.
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16:11.50greycatIt is entirely possible the two different LIVE systems have different sshd_configs.
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16:12.44ZiosaRemote system, /etc/ssh/ssh_config: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/bb882019/
16:12.45jmcnaughtZiosa: I don't know what you're trying to do, but doing a normal install of Debian in a VM makes more sense for most use cases
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16:13.16greycatI'm starting to think it's all an elaborate troll.
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16:13.37jmcnaughtZiosa: so line 52 has PasswordAuthentication disabled. Use a public key, or stop using live
16:13.55greycatOh, good, he DID paste the right file.  He just mis-represented what he had pasted here in #debian.
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16:14.46greycatZiosa: or comment line 52 and restart sshd
16:14.57Ziosaok
16:15.05jmcnaughtevery time you boot the live disk VM :/
16:15.22greycatYup.  Same way he has to recreate the authorized_keys file EVERY TIME HE REBOOTS.
16:15.35greycatExcept there's a "VM" involved somehow.  God only fucking knows how.
16:15.38ZiosaSnapshots
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16:17.08ZiosaIT WORKS!
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16:17.26jmcnaughtZiosa: so yeah.. seems like you've made more work for yourself using the live disk, but maybe you have a reason
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16:17.55greycatI guess he's not actually BOOTING the LIVE system... I guess he "installed" the LIVE system?  No idea why he would do this.
16:18.13ZiosaThanks for enduring my stupidity.
16:19.16ZiosaI use boot vms with live cd's when I need to test something. I find sending files with scp, faster than installing guest additions. At least, when password authentication was enabled by default.
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16:21.07jmcnaughtZiosa: i also use VMs to test things, but with regular installs of Debian, not live cds
16:21.42ZiosaI know, I should really do the same.
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17:37.19jhutchinsI would think it would be fairly easy to archive a regular VM off to a disc and load it when needed.
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17:38.45unbornjhutchins: its very easy
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18:28.34brimonkCan anyone tell me how to get alt+f and alt+b to work in xterm on Debian? By default, it seems like '/etc/inputrc' has it set up to use Ctrl + arrows for this. How can I change it?
18:29.16greycatYou can add additional readline bindings in ~/.inputrc (note the dot)
18:29.33greycatThese files are used by libreadline which is used by bash and some other programs.
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18:30.08brimonkgreycat: Cool. How can I figure out what escape sequences correspond to the keys I want to press?
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18:31.38greycatWell... there's always the READLINE section in man bash.
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18:32.01greycatMight be simpler to google for someone else who has already done it.
18:32.41n1cky_I just found an old machine in a basement running LENNY!
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18:33.06n1cky_Er, did I say lenny? I meant SARGE
18:33.18brimonkgreycat: I think this is what I wanted. Thanks.
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18:35.41cavaughanSARGE? Could have been a lot worse.
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18:36.51n1cky_I'm sitting here wondering if I can justify procrastinating through dist-upgrading all the way to jessie.
18:37.27brimonkgreycat: What if the man page doesn't describe what I need to do to get ALT as a Readline Key Binding?
18:37.29cavaughanDon't think you'll find repos to dist upgrade from Sarge.
18:37.37brimonkIt talks about Control and the Meta keys.
18:38.20greycatYou want Meta, probably.
18:38.26greycatWelcome to emacs hell.
18:38.32brimonkBleh.
18:38.34brimonkThanks RMS.
18:38.51brimonkYou've seen the keyboard that thing was created on, right?
18:38.57brimonkFriggin disgusting.
18:39.09greycatno, I haven't
18:39.14brimonkI'll find it.
18:39.30brimonkhttp://www.catonmat.net/blog/why-emacs-uses-meta-key/
18:39.35brimonkThat's a pretty good article on it.
18:39.48brimonkIt's similar to the reason vi used hjkl.
18:39.55brimonkcrappy, old hardware.
18:40.17dondelelcaromeh, having multiple meta keys is actually pretty useful
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18:40.40dondelelcaro(or mod keys, really; there are up to 5 of them)
18:40.49greycatI know about vi.  I deeply appreciate their forsaking of these weird keyboards and using keys that EVERYONE has.
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18:41.24brimonkBut like,
18:41.28brimonkJust look at that keyboard.
18:41.37brimonkLiterally, why do you need HALF of those keys?
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18:42.03greycatI won't presume to judge, because I've never used the hardware it's designed for.
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18:42.46dondelelcarobrimonk: lots of them were designed for controlling terminals and their display; it's not that unusual to have lots of keys
18:42.49dTalwhat's weird is it's a Lisp machine but they still make you hit shift to get parentheses
18:43.02greycatdTal: hah!  That was my first thought too.
18:44.15Jan\how do I start mate desktop once I installed it ?
18:44.27dondelelcarodTal: that's because it wasn't designed for the symoblics machine; it predated it
18:45.05ryoumai swap () []
18:45.32brimonkgreycat: Could I use vi mode for the keyboard shortcuts and whatnot?
18:45.36dondelelcaro(and vi was designed on a machine which had esc in the place that is nowadays usually tab)
18:45.38brimonkgreycat: Would they be sane?
18:46.04greycatbrimonk: bash has a vi mode (set -o vi).  Worth learning.
18:46.05greycatI use it.
18:46.43greycatdondelelcaro: hey, as long as there *IS* an Esc key somewhere... fucking DEC VT series....
18:46.59cavaughanJan: after installing a desktop log off and then choose the desktop environment you want
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18:47.24brimonkgreycat: Where can I find the shortcuts for the vi mode?
18:47.30greycatHaving to hit Ctrl-[ because trhere is no Esc key is not fun.
18:47.55n1cky_Jan\: are you using a display manager? If you've performed a minimal install, you need to craft an xinitrc and then use startx from the xorg-utils package
18:47.55greycatbrimonk: "bind -p" if you want a dump, but really it's just knowing vi and applying it.
18:48.13n1cky_Jan\: else, what cavaughan said.
18:48.18brimonk.... That's a lot of output.
18:48.41dondelelcarogreycat: you can also just echo 'editing-mode vi' > ~/.inputrc; and get vi mode everywhere
18:48.44greycatThe emacs mode uses more of the readline bindings by default than the vi mode does.
18:48.52greycatdondelelcaro: yes, right.
18:48.58greycatimadev:~$ cat .inputrc
18:48.58greycatset editing-mode vi
18:48.58greycatset echo-control-characters off
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18:49.55dondelelcarobrimonk: man 3 readline;
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18:50.41dondelelcaroand your keyboard could always be more complicated: http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/2014/08_August/20140801_ergodox/IMG_20140801_232557.jpg
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18:50.58brimonkHow can I get the current mode?
18:51.06brimonkecho $mode /
18:51.06brimonk?
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18:51.39brimonkAlso, I can't hit m in my terminal anymore.
18:51.46greycatset -o | egrep 'vi|emacs'
18:51.57greycatheh
18:52.24greycatProbably incorrect quoting in the .inputrc file when trying to do M-something
18:52.32Jan\n1cky_: yeah I start with the standard install
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18:52.45brimonkIt was the 'editing-mode vi' in my ~/.inputrc
18:52.48Jan\n1cky_: xinitrc and startx doesnt work
18:52.59dondelelcarobrimonk: yeah, that should have been set editing-mode vi
18:53.06dondelelcaroforgot the set keywoard
18:53.12brimonkGotcha.
18:53.17brimonkLet's retry it.
18:53.24brimonkm key works.
18:53.38brimonkAnd vi mode is on.
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18:54.42cavaughanJan\ just to be sure, you are in a terminal and not a GUI right now?
18:54.50Jan\cavaughan: yes
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18:58.19cavaughanJan, what about just typing X
18:58.37Jan\cavaughan: not found
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19:00.09brimonkgreycat: So, if I want alt+f to be 'go forward a word' I need to have a line in my ~/.inputrc that's like, "\M-f": forward-word    ?????
19:00.09cavaughanJan, sounds like you don't have X11 installed
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19:01.10cavaughanJan, try apt-get install x11-common
19:01.17greycatbrimonk: TIAS, or ask in #bash.  I'm not a big readline guy.
19:01.28greycatI tend to keep things very simple.
19:03.56cavaughanJan, oh and apt-get install xserver-common
19:04.16cavaughanJan, I think the latter is really what you need.
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20:15.34djapoi have a simple USB sound card which is seen as a USB microphone, i want to create a device with different vendor, product ids that just symlinks to this one. can anyone help me with this?
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20:19.09jhutchinsdjapo: The ID string comes from firmware in the actual device, I'm not sure it's possible to spoof it.
20:21.30alex1aphp-apcu package don't exist in debianjessie reps ?
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20:23.58djapojhutchins: not spoof but masquerade it
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20:32.49brimonkHey, is there an obs package for debian?
20:33.05irinixbrimonk I know theres' one on Ubuntu
20:33.43brimonkirinix: So, there isn't one for like, Debian unstable?
20:33.51jhutchins,v obs
20:33.52juddNo package named 'obs' was found in amd64.
20:34.03brimonkjudd: I found that too.
20:34.04juddNo package named 'found' was found in jessie/amd64.
20:34.10brimonklol
20:34.22jhutchinsbrimonk: Meet our database bot.
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20:37.10greycatdpkg, judd
20:37.11dpkgjudd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>).  Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information.  See http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ for detailed information, or ask me about <judd-packages>, <judd-hardware>, <source judd>.
20:37.31brimonkdpkg, obs
20:37.31dpkgbrimonk: I give up, what is it?
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20:46.36SilverWhitefishdpkg asciiquarium
20:46.36dpkgi don't know, SilverWhitefish
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20:46.58SilverWhitefishdpkg aafire
20:46.58dpkgSilverWhitefish: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
20:47.07laurusLet's say I compile a program and save it somewhere. How do I make a "shortcut" on the command line so I can type the name of the program in any directory and have it run?
20:47.28greycatlaurus: Move the program to /usr/local/bin/ if you have root authority.
20:47.54laurusgreycat, what if I want to store it in a particular place in my home directory?
20:47.55greycatOtherwise if you only want it to work for *you*, mkdir ~/bin; mv theprogram to ~/bin, and add ~/bin to your PATH in your dot files.
20:48.02irinixor failing that you could also alias it
20:48.19laurusAhh, the PATH. Okay.
20:48.23babilenlaurus: You have to add the path it is in to your PATH. My recommendation would be to install external software to /usr/local and to manage those installations with stow. That way they'll be easy to remove and immediately in your PATH from /usr/local/bin
20:48.24laurusirinix, what is alias?
20:48.27irinixor what greycat just said too
20:48.29babilendpkg: tell laurus -about stow usage
20:49.01irinixlaurus greycat's method will be easiser
20:49.08laurusOk. I'll do that.
20:49.11laurusThanks everyone.
20:49.15irinixhttp://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/aliases.html
20:49.19greycatDepends on how easy it is to figure out where your dot files are.
20:49.24irinixfor your future reference though
20:49.34greycatNow that 95% of the userbase uses these abominable Desktop Environments...
20:49.54laurus"abominable Desktop Environments". Haha
20:50.09irinixgreycat I only use it for the games
20:50.17laurusWhy are they abominable?
20:50.34greycatWell, I hope you know which file to edit to add a directory to your PATH, because nobody else knows either.
20:50.53irinixlaurus I think greycat is exposing his neckbeard
20:50.55laurusgreycat, actually, I don't know
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20:51.03laurusI never understood all that dot file stuff honestly.
20:51.34greycatI understand it 100% if you use startx instead of a GUI login.
20:51.45laurusNo, I just have the GUI login.
20:51.48greycatBut the GUI logins are undocumented.  Literally NOBODY knows how to configure them.
20:51.50irinixhttp://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/26047/how-to-correctly-add-a-path-to-path
20:51.55laurusOh, I see.
20:52.01laurusI'm looking at http://xahlee.info/linux/dot_bash_profile_bashrc_etc_difference.html
20:52.18greycatThere's also http://mywiki.wooledge.org/DotFiles
20:52.18laurusI'll try putting it in ~/.bash_profile and see what happens.
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20:53.03babilenlaurus: You'd typically just source your .bashrc from .bash_profile and define it in there
20:53.17laurusbabilen, that sounds complicated
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20:53.53greycatbabilen: Oh, so that's what DE people do?  They say "fuck it" to configuring the DE itself, and just spam PATH additions in .bashrc for every single shell invocation?
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20:56.02laurusI have to go; thank you all!
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20:59.15greycat(Not that I blame them for giving up after not finding ANY documentation that says how to configure the DE.  I can respect "well, .bashrc will work" as a last straw.)
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21:04.15djapojhutchins: so i found a way to change a device id http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Changing_card_IDs_with_udev
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21:13.04LionyxSo... no more iceweasel?
21:13.16greycat!firefox-esr
21:13.16dpkgFrom 2016-06-09, the firefox-esr package replaces the iceweasel package in Debian 8 "Jessie". The iceweasel package used to track the Extended Support Releases (ESR) of Mozilla Firefox to get security fixes, what changes is the icon and the name of the binary (/usr/bin/firefox). Ask me about <firefox>.
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21:15.22jhutchinsdjapo: Cool.
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21:16.36LionyxSo... what about icedove? No thunderbird?
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21:22.39jellyLionyx: https://bugs.debian.org/816679
21:22.40juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/816679 in icedove (open): «icedove: Please rename icedove to thunderbird»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-03-03; last modified: 2016-06-01.
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21:26.23Lionyxjelly: cool!
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21:40.09jhutchinsIdeally, the apt system would track these changes, and a full-upgrade would replace iceweasel/dove with the Mozilla packages.
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21:46.27jelly!qotd0
21:46.27dpkg<Nexus> And how can I recursively shut off the sticky bit?  <Nexus> greycat, Well, because I don't like it. :)  Because I don't fully understand it and have never used it.
21:47.33mrrhqSucks that there's no GNU/Linux client for ProtonMail...
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21:48.53alex1aanyone can explain why i cant connect with root user over ssh to a vm debian machine ?
21:49.18jhutchinsalex1a: You don't have a keypair set up and password login by root is disabled by default.
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21:50.03alex1aany documentation that can help ? or some tutu ? i install openssh server when installing debian 8.5 jessie netinst
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21:50.40alex1aputty give me "Access denied
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21:50.40alex1a" output
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21:51.14zykotick9alex1a: can you just ssh as a regular user then "su -"?  probably best to just keep root-ssh disabled.  ymmv.
21:51.23alex1amaybe "nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config" hold the configuration for this ?
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21:51.36alex1aok i will try 1 sec
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21:53.20alex1ayeah i can login to root after login as normal user
21:53.31alex1athat's the correctly way i guess
21:53.34alex1aover ssh
21:53.56alex1aanyway thanks
21:54.14zykotick9alex1a: using root with keys _might_ be ok... but root + password + ssh is a bad idea.
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21:55.57alex1ai see, thanks. this way work for me, i cannot copy or paste on vm shell so i will do over ssh
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22:15.29phaleJust a quick question, does this still work? https://wiki.debian.org/Migrate32To64Bit
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22:17.10jmcnaughtphale: i would take the warning at the top saying it doesn't work seriously
22:17.29phaleoh ok
22:17.46themill!crossgrade
22:17.46dpkgConverting an i386 installation into an amd64 installation in-place is quite difficult.  It's much easier to reinstall the system with the new architecture -- ask me about <install debian>.  If you've got good backups, plenty of time and are feeling lucky, you can try https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading but really...  good backups...
22:18.14phalewell I don't have an USB with me so I can't install the system again
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22:19.21jmcnaughtphale: are you all backed up? waiting until you're better prepared could be the best option.
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22:19.41phaleoh ok
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23:00.19bmomjianI need network debugging help.  I am on a home network.  From my wifi laptop, I can ping my server, but not my cable modem, while from my server I can ping my cable modem.  They are all on the same network block. The failure it intermittent.  How can I debug this?  Does traceroute help?  arp shows the mac address of the cable modem from the wifi laptop.
23:00.56bmomjianIs there a better channel to ask?  I am on Debian Jessie.
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23:02.16mtnbmomjian: this channel is fine. if someone has an idea, they will let you know
23:02.20bmomjiannslookup is finding the right IP address for the cable modem.
23:02.21bmomjianok, thanks
23:03.02bmomjiannow it is working again;  I am seeing the problem from several wifi laptops.  I suspect I have some intermittently-bad hardware, but I am stumped on how the routing could be broken, as it seems to be.
23:03.55cavaughanbmoomjian: so only wifi devices are having this issue?
23:04.20chaddyis your server on your LAN or over the internet, also
23:04.22chaddy?
23:04.41bmomjianuh, that is hard to say but I have only seen it on wifi.  The server and cable modem are both on wired.
23:05.00bmomjianeverything is in the same house, wired.
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23:05.15cavaughanthe router is also the wifi adapter?
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23:05.36bmomjianI have never seen problems connecting wifi from the laptop to the server;  it seems to be routing to the cable modem that is the problem;  the server is dual-ethernet
23:05.47cavaughanthe cable modem, that is, is also a wifi adapter?
23:05.59chaddyin my limited experience it's uselul to check the time on all the devices, recent firmware upgrade put my wifi extender in the wrong timezone for example, similar symptoms
23:06.15bmomjianserver details here: http://momjian.us/main/blogs/pgblog/2012.html#January_20_2012
23:06.29bmomjianthe wifi adaptor is just a wifi adaptor
23:07.06bmomjianthere is a server, a switch, a wifi access point, and a cable modem;  all are wired together on the same subnet
23:07.23bmomjianoh
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23:07.55cavaughanI'm inclined to think it's something with the AP
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23:08.53bmomjiantime on WAP looks good
23:08.56bmomjianok
23:09.09bmomjianit is a Cisco WAP4410N, most recent firmward
23:09.17bmomjianfirmware, from 2015
23:10.33bmomjianI will reboot the WAP now though, just in case;  I already rebooted the Debian server, switch, and cable modem.
23:11.03cavaughanlook at the very last post here:
23:11.10cavaughanhttps://community.spiceworks.com/topic/219328-cisco-linksys-wap4410n-connection-problem
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23:11.48bmomjian1ok, back;  if anyone said anything just now, I missed it.
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23:12.25cavaughanthere is also a link to Cisco's forum
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23:12.29bmomjian1I am just happy I can see the ping failures so at least I can point to something that is clearly wrong;  before it was just random browser hangs reported by my family;  you don't want that.  ;-)
23:12.53cavaughanI posted this
23:12.53cavaughanlook at the very last post here:
23:12.56cavaughanhttps://community.spiceworks.com/topic/219328-cisco-linksys-wap4410n-connection-problem
23:13.27cavaughanand go to the Cisco forum link therein
23:14.09bmomjian1I can always ping the wap, and my Debian server on the same network.
23:14.36bmomjian1the description sounds like a Linksys WAP, which were notorious for this problem.
23:15.03bmomjian1I have no wireless repeaters, just one set of antennas
23:16.15bmomjian1I am trying to understand how to dig into the problem when there is a ping failure.  The first step is the hostname has to be mapped to an IP address;  I see that IP address in the ping header before it tries the ping, e.g. PING gateway.home (172.20.1.130) 56(84) bytes of data.
23:16.49bmomjian1looks good to me;  then it knows it is on the same subnet, so it does an arp, arp 172.20.1.130
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23:17.08bmomjian1that returns this, which looks good:  gateway.home             ether   70:f1:96:14:a9:09   C                     wlan0
23:17.32bmomjian1of course, I have pieced together this knowledge from reading the tcp/ip Stephens books, so I might be wrong.
23:18.11bmomjian1sorry, W. Richard Stevens
23:18.53bmomjian1so, if the laptop knows the IP address of the host., and the MAC address, how does that fail?  What can be done to see the failure at that level?
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23:24.43bmomjian1What is odd is that the wire from the WAP goes into the switch, and the switch has wires to the cable modem and the Debian server.  Why would one work and one not?  The WAP can't get to the cable modem, but the Debian server can, and they are plugged into the same switch;  I will try moving cables to different ports.
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23:28.58bmomjian1it kind of feels like a switch routing problem;  the switch is a 16-port Linksys and is pretty old.
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23:31.38bmomjian1I can't really debug the switch except to look at the lights;  it is not a managed switch.
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23:32.41mutantebmomjian1: replace the cable itself too..
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23:34.52bmomjian1does that explain why the same cable works to the Debian server?
23:36.13bmomjian1I see a lot of message on the cable modem saying Adding/removing multicast group 224.0.0.252 to device br0 port 2
23:36.35mutantebmomjian1: TCP/IP can work perfectly fine, while ping still fails, because it is ICMP. it's possible that ICMP is blocked but TCP isnt
23:36.49mutanteso ping isnt always the perfect test
23:36.52rgwupacket captures on both sides of the switch in question is an easy way to debug a switch
23:37.21bmomjian1I show zero errors on the network interface on the cable modem;  that's good
23:37.33bmomjian1tcpdump?
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23:38.03mutanteyea
23:38.26bmomjian1ah, zero errors on the WAP, both on the wireless interface, and the wired;  that seems good.
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23:39.55rgwuA NIC won't show bad packets if they never make it to the NIC because the switch has issues.
23:40.04bmomjian1true
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23:40.29bmomjian1I tried "sudo tcpdump -I wlan0" and got "tcpdump: eth0: That device doesn't support monitor mode"
23:41.24rgwuuse -i wlan0
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23:41.39rgwuOr eth0, or whatever interface you're testing.
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23:42.28bmomjian1ah, bingo, lowercase -i, thanks
23:42.41awal1Wonders why xosview*lmstemp, acpitem &coretemp are set to false by default ^_^
23:43.00bmomjian1so i wait for the ping failure, record the tcpdump, and post a URL here?  Sounds like a plan.  :-)
23:43.05bmomjian1which I did not have before.
23:43.20rgwubmomjian1: tcpdump -i eth0 -w <outputfilename>   Then you can look at the capture later in wireshark or some other better visualization tool.
23:43.51bmomjian1ok, I just installed wireshark
23:44.03bmomjian1the wireshark data usually flies by too quickly.
23:44.25rgwuScrolling up usually is a valid solution.
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23:47.40bmomjian1OK, of course it is working now, so I will report back when it fails again.  The only change I have made is to reboot the WAP, and unplug and replug all connectors into the switch
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23:48.54pflanzeHello. I've been using Debian forever, but this stuff still gets me:
23:49.35pflanzeI installed Debian on a flash drive, been using it some time there. Now copied it over to a HDD. How do I get it to boot from there?
23:50.35pflanzeBeen here: grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt/<some-uuid-for-by-new-boot-partition> /dev/sdb
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23:51.35pflanzebut that doesn't work for two reasons probably: first, grub loads but drops me to a prompt, hence presumably can't find boot-directory. But how am I supposed to say "this dir on this partition" if there's only an option for the dir?
23:52.08pflanzeSecondly, it asks for the pass phrase sda5_crypt, i.e. the flash drive, where is that info encoded again?
23:52.57pflanze(Ok, I guess I can try again to chroot, change fstab, then mkinitrd or however that was called before the rename and what it's called now.)
23:53.28pflanzeComputer, take my disk, bless it.
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