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| 00:28.16 | Neville | newbie question: how to do you update debian 8.4 to 8.5? |
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| 00:31.35 | jordanm | Neville: apt-get upgrade |
| 00:31.42 | jordanm | Neville: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 00:32.08 | jordanm | point releases are installed the same way as security upgrades |
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| 01:03.02 | asterismo | hi |
| 01:03.21 | asterismo | can i update openssl 1.0.1k to 1.0.2 in debian 8 jessie? |
| 01:03.27 | asterismo | how do i do this? |
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| 01:04.06 | mutante | asterismo: apt-get install openssl |
| 01:04.13 | mutante | no? |
| 01:05.12 | markybob | mutante: asterismo no |
| 01:05.24 | fender0107401 | some part of dpkg -s openssl: Version: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u2 |
| 01:05.39 | mutante | asterismo: oh, apologies, i did not notice we have a custom 1.0.2 package |
| 01:06.05 | fender0107401 | What is the reason to update? |
| 01:06.17 | mutante | that would confirm though that is how you get the SSLOpenSSLConfCmd |
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| 01:06.31 | mutante | fender0107401: DHE params in Apache |
| 01:06.51 | mutante | like this SSLOpenSSLConfCmd DHParameters "/etc/ssl/dhparam.pem |
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| 01:07.03 | mutante | only works with 1.0.2 apparently |
| 01:07.12 | fender0107401 | Mayby you can delete openssl and compile it yourself. |
| 01:07.51 | markybob | you can do ssb for it but that'd be stupid. you need automated security updates for something that important. dont play with that yourself |
| 01:07.58 | awwal | How can I make the second monitor (detected as vga1 , here) always visible even if I switch workspace in my main machine? |
| 01:08.02 | mutante | asterismo: https://apt.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/pool/main/o/openssl/ |
| 01:08.12 | mutante | thats an 1.0.2 package for jessie |
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| 01:08.19 | mutante | used by Wikipedia |
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| 01:09.31 | fender0107401 | If there is a deb package, you can download it and dpgk -i it. |
| 01:09.50 | awwal | i meant have workspace 2 always visible in my extra monitor even if I switch workspace in my main machine |
| 01:10.08 | markybob | and still have to keep on top of security like a hawk. dont fuck with openssl |
| 01:10.59 | asterismo | yeah i know how to handle debs, but is there a repo or something? |
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| 01:11.25 | asterismo | and that is fot 64 bit systems, mine is 32 |
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| 01:12.41 | Akuw | in this expresion find /home/x/dir1 -type f -name '*.txt' -exec rm {} \; what means {} \; ? |
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| 01:13.33 | tripkin | Hello, can anyone help me get Remmina 1.2 installed on my Debian 8.5 installation? |
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| 01:15.09 | markybob | Akuw: it was the command rm on the files found by find. basically "insert filename here" |
| 01:15.46 | markybob | s/was/runs |
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| 01:27.20 | jmcnaught | asterismo: why do you need the newer openssl? it's best, if you can, to stick to the library versions available in jessie. don't add some repo to get that library |
| 01:27.47 | asterismo | jmcnaught: yes i know, i wont upgrade |
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| 01:28.05 | asterismo | i just wanted to enable DH parameters to my apache |
| 01:28.38 | jmcnaught | asterismo: oh, that cannot be done in jessie. i thought that even got backported to one of the wheezy point releases |
| 01:28.39 | asterismo | in #httpd channel they said to me that only 1.0.2 version of openssl would support that |
| 01:29.05 | asterismo | but i'm almost sure that i read somewhere that ypu can cat the cert and dhparams and apache will use it alike |
| 01:29.43 | asterismo | like cat server.crt dhparams.pem > newcert.crt |
| 01:31.40 | asterismo | is this possible? |
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| 01:32.45 | jmcnaught | asterismo: there's a note about openssl < 1.0.2 here: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mod_ssl.html#sslcertificatefile |
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| 01:34.47 | asterismo | it is recommended to either use custom DH parameters (preferably) by adding them to the first certificate file (as described above |
| 01:35.07 | asterismo | which id the first certificate file? |
| 01:35.32 | asterismo | or to order the SSLCertificateFile directives such that RSA/DSA certificates are placed after the ECC one |
| 01:35.57 | asterismo | what order does this mean? |
| 01:36.14 | asterismo | cat cert dhparam > newcert ? |
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| 01:39.16 | jmcnaught | asterismo: yes i think that's what they're saying |
| 01:40.32 | asterismo | RSA/DSA is the cert, ECC is the DHparam? if it is, then RSA/DSA goes after ECC keys... or does RSA/DSA means the dhparams and ECC means the cert? |
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| 01:41.56 | jmcnaught | asterismo: it's saying to put the dhparams at the end of the certificate file specified with SSLCertificateFile |
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| 01:43.11 | awwal | How to install the virtualbox guest additions? |
| 01:43.35 | awwal | installed virtualbox-guest-additions-iso but next ? :P |
| 01:44.41 | jmcnaught | awwal: in a guest? it looks like there are virtualbox-guest-utils and virtualbox-guest-x11 packages |
| 01:45.01 | awwal | jmcnaught, in the guest yes |
| 01:45.31 | awwal | so I need guest-utils and guest-x11 not guest-additions-iso ? |
| 01:45.51 | awwal | thats for have real for screen and some stuff more |
| 01:46.05 | awwal | dont really know which pkg is needed |
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| 01:46.29 | jmcnaught | awwal: i don't use virtualbox. from what i understand the iso package makes it so you can have guest add-ons available on a virtual CDROM. For Debian guests, there are packages that install the addons |
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| 01:46.52 | jmcnaught | awwal: "aptitude search ~nvirtualbox" and then read the descriptions for the relevant packages |
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| 01:47.23 | awwal | jmcnaught, did that yet , but got confused, lets do more search :P |
| 01:47.41 | jmcnaught | awwal: there's an alternative to virtuabox, libvirt with KVM, and the virt-manager GUI. I find it just as easy as virtualbox, no need for custom kernel modules and DKMS |
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| 01:49.34 | awwal | jmcnaught, yeah , I have libvirt-kvm installed and virtmanager and i use it , but I have problems with full screen mode; once in full screenmode impossible to get it off without killing the whole process. so tryig vbox. :) |
| 01:50.23 | jmcnaught | awwal: oh. for me at least in fullscreen mode i can mouse to the top-centre and there's a little tab with a button to exit fullscreen mode |
| 01:50.58 | jmcnaught | most of my VMs don't have a graphics card though, only serial consoles |
| 01:51.33 | awwal | jmcnaught, right, but wont work here. I remember we discussed this a few weeks ago. I'll purge libvirt/kvm and reinstall ; it may solve the problem :P |
| 01:52.36 | jmcnaught | awwal: maybe you need to press ctrl+alt ? i don't have any windows guests, only linux (using virtio graphics). i think there are virtio drivers for windows too |
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| 01:54.14 | awwal | jmcnaught, tried that yeah, no luck. both host and guest are debian here. later I purge libvirt&kvm. now trying to get vbox working :P |
| 01:54.25 | jmcnaught | awwal: good luck with that :) |
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| 01:54.35 | awwal | jmcnaught, thanks :) |
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| 02:07.31 | copec | Did the default gnome fonts change in between 3.14 and 3.20? |
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| 02:17.08 | calebwill | copec: maybe? |
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| 02:17.33 | calebwill | !tell copec about debian-next |
| 02:18.07 | copec | thanks |
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| 02:39.54 | Jaga-Jaga | how do I update my flash ? |
| 02:40.57 | lordarkmemo | every time i try to watch videos on youtube my system crash, and the session restart. Im using lenovo e450, iceweasel, debian 8 |
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| 02:42.23 | Jaga-Jaga | lordarkmemo: try google chrome |
| 02:42.56 | lordarkmemo | Jaga-Jaga: ok, let me try |
| 02:44.35 | Jaga-Jaga | how do I update my flash ? |
| 02:46.21 | markybob | Jaga-Jaga: https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#Update |
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| 02:47.44 | Jaga-Jaga | markybob: |
| 02:47.46 | Jaga-Jaga | user@x:~$ sudo update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
| 02:47.46 | Jaga-Jaga | already exists: /usr/share/pixmaps/flash-player-properties.png |
| 02:48.12 | markybob | Jaga-Jaga: on stable? |
| 02:48.17 | Jaga-Jaga | Y |
| 02:48.28 | markybob | Jaga-Jaga: i don't know. i dont use flash. try just uninstalling it then and reinstall |
| 02:48.36 | Jaga-Jaga | ok |
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| 02:50.58 | Jaga-Jaga | markybob: that worked thx |
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| 03:01.24 | n_blownapart | hi sorry I'm having a hell of a time removing all of the sbt scala/java package. I am manually removing files like this: 'sudo rm -rf /usr/share/sbt-launcher-packaging' and they are still listed with 'locate sbt' .what is going on? |
| 03:01.44 | n_blownapart | I installed with dpkg ^ |
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| 03:14.45 | zykotick9 | n_blownapart: 1) you shouldn't be manually deleting packages files like that and 2) locate uses a database, did you update the database before you tried running locate again? |
| 03:17.11 | xar- | hi #debian |
| 03:17.23 | xar- | can someone point me to a 7.11 mirror please, thanks |
| 03:19.18 | markybob | xar-: all of them should have it. just use 'oldstable' instead of 'stable' in the deb lines in sources.list |
| 03:19.39 | xar- | sry i wasn't specific enough, i mean a download mirror that has the .isos |
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| 03:20.08 | xar- | for instance, debian-7.11-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 03:20.16 | xar- | takes guess at the actual name |
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| 03:20.42 | markybob | xar-: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/latest-oldstable/amd64/ |
| 03:20.54 | xar- | thank you very much :) |
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| 03:21.42 | xar- | I wonder if it's purposefully difficult to locate to encourage people to use jessie, or just bad UI, or I'm blind... |
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| 03:26.26 | n_blownapart | zykotick9, thanks for responding, no I will check out how to update the locate database |
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| 03:27.08 | markybob | n_blownapart: sudo updatedb. and you know how to remove packages properly, right? deleting random files will break things |
| 03:30.00 | n_blownapart | markybob thanks a lot,this package was installed with dpkg. is the equivalent of apt-get purge or similar? |
| 03:30.12 | n_blownapart | what is* |
| 03:30.38 | markybob | n_blownapart: dpkg --purge packagename |
| 03:31.17 | zykotick9 | n_blownapart: note apt/aptitude/apt-get all use dpkg to install as well... so you can probably just you "apt-get purge YOURPACKAGE" as well |
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| 03:31.35 | zykotick9 | s/you/use/ |
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| 03:33.29 | n_blownapart | markybob, zykotick9 thanks kindly got it settled. |
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| 05:51.21 | hexnewbie | Is wheezy getting security updates before jessie, or I'm wondering why firefox/iceweasel 45 reached wheezy before jessie? |
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| 05:55.22 | awwal | dmenu_run -m 0 works but if I log out and re login (xfce) it doesn't do the trick anymore |
| 05:55.58 | jelly | hexnewbie: different teams, wheezy is now under LTS while jessie is taken care of by the normal security team |
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| 05:56.17 | winterss | hi |
| 05:56.21 | winterss | how are you? |
| 05:56.24 | awwal | I have to remove the keyboard shortcut and add it again for get it working. :( |
| 05:56.31 | winterss | ah ok |
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| 05:56.56 | hexnewbie | jelly: I see, thanks. |
| 05:57.41 | awwal | no problems with 'shellex' |
| 05:57.42 | jelly | winterss: hi. This is a tech support channel. You can use the network-wide ##chat or our own #debian-offtopic if you want to chat |
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| 07:01.37 | jim | is there a way to find out if I have any bluetooth hardware on my mobo? |
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| 07:07.07 | somiaj | jim: lspci, lsusb or lshw may tell you |
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| 07:10.07 | jim | oh, ok... what's lshw in? |
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| 07:12.31 | somiaj | jim: the package 'lshw' |
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| 07:12.51 | FinalX | lshw++ |
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| 07:22.36 | darxmurf | anybody is using bareos here to backup windows clients ? |
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| 07:23.05 | darxmurf | I can't do that in my config ? : File = "C:/Users/*/Desktop" |
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| 07:38.58 | superrorc | hi there! |
| 07:39.25 | superrorc | why iptables -L doesn't show any rules ? |
| 07:39.37 | superrorc | but rules exists and works |
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| 07:47.33 | superrorc | ow! -t nat shows my rules ) thanks a lot |
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| 07:51.51 | Hypn0 | hi |
| 07:51.52 | Hypn0 | Question: i created 2 groups and put a user in it. Both groups define policys for one folder. it seems like the group which was created first defines the permission of that folder. how can i redefine the policy weight order of the groups? << someone knows something maybe? |
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| 07:52.49 | somiaj | Hypn0: what do you mean by weight order? A file/folder can only have a single group own it |
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| 07:53.10 | Hypn0 | ok |
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| 07:53.37 | somiaj | there are extended attributes, but I'm unsure what you can do with those. |
| 07:53.37 | Hypn0 | thanks |
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| 07:54.55 | babilen | Hypn0: Look into ACL which allows for fine-grained permission specification |
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| 07:58.39 | Hypn0 | thx |
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| 08:06.32 | bytecounter | Hi @all. What is rpc.statd on Jessie? How I can disable? I disabled rpcbind, but the rpc.statd still listen on some ports |
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| 08:11.28 | sumi | hello |
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| 08:14.43 | jelly | bytecounter: stop the nfs-common service, uninstall if you don't need it |
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| 08:15.51 | jelly | bytecounter: use dpkg -S /path/to/file to find out which package a file path (like your rpc.statd) belongs go |
| 08:17.15 | bytecounter | ah..ok. Great, thank you! Did you know if this is needed by Docker? |
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| 08:23.35 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
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| 08:24.52 | tobiasBora | I did a "apt full-upgrade", and I put my computer in stand-by during the update. When I awake it, I can see that the process is stoped, but I'm not sure the installation came to its end |
| 08:24.54 | bytecounter | It seems not. How can I disable the service permanently (disable onle, not remove the packages)? |
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| 08:25.49 | ksk | tobiasBora: I did not know there was an "full-upgrade" switch, but in general just fire the command again |
| 08:26.02 | ksk | apt will do its think and tell you if something broke during the sleep |
| 08:26.03 | tobiasBora | Indeed, when I run again "apt full-upgrade", it gives me a list of "useless packages which has been automatiquely installed" |
| 08:26.14 | tobiasBora | Here is the list : http://paste.debian.net/729763 |
| 08:26.23 | ksk | tobiasBora: issue an apt-get autoremove |
| 08:26.24 | jelly | bytecounter: probably systemctl disable some.service |
| 08:26.43 | ksk | it will remove the packages not needed anymore (aptitude does this on any package removel by default) |
| 08:26.47 | jelly | bytecounter: or the older update-rc.d |
| 08:27.15 | tobiasBora | And since I can see in it "bluedevil" (my bluetooth), "plasma-desktop-data"... I'm a bit affraid that the main kde/plasma package has been deleted |
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| 08:27.39 | tobiasBora | So is it normal that these packages are deleted ? Did bluedevil change it's name recently ? |
| 08:28.26 | tobiasBora | ksk: I don't want to delete packages that could be usefull... And since some of them sounds important I'm affraid to have a deeper problem. |
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| 08:28.41 | tobiasBora | (but maybe they just change their name...) |
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| 08:30.22 | MaBunny | hey guys is there a program for debian tht parses the data of an ISO into a pendrive or dvd??? |
| 08:30.35 | MaBunny | i dont want to do this in the terminal btw |
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| 08:40.32 | tobiasBora | MaBunny: In terminal just use lsblk/dd, and if you want to use a graphical interface to make a bootable key, you may want to try unetbooting |
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| 08:41.33 | MaBunny | but unetbootin is for Wingdos |
| 08:42.55 | tinyhippo | it works on linux/mac too |
| 08:43.09 | tinyhippo | https://unetbootin.github.io/ <-- three big buttons at the top |
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| 08:43.43 | jelly | !unetbootin |
| 08:43.43 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 08:44.25 | jelly | (avoid it) |
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| 08:44.35 | superrorc | dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sd[x] |
| 08:45.01 | superrorc | dd if=image.iso | pv | of=/dev/sd[x] with progress bar |
| 08:45.06 | jelly | superrorc: on a linux system cp will be just fine, and is what the install guide says to use |
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| 08:45.36 | superrorc | hm |
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| 08:48.51 | FinalX | superrorc: more recent versions just have status=progress |
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| 08:49.56 | FinalX | (like jessie's version) |
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| 08:52.40 | superrorc | http://paste.debian.net/plain/729936 there is no option progress |
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| 08:54.30 | superrorc | how can i install local server to paste ? ) is there any packages? |
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| 08:57.18 | darxmurf | Could somebody explin me why I have to add some WildDir and Wild definitions after a Regex declaration in BareOS/Bacula configuration ? |
| 08:58.15 | FinalX | superrorc: you're right, sorry. i'm running 8.25, jessie has 8.23 |
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| 08:58.33 | darxmurf | The: RegEx = "^C:/Users/[^/]+/Desktop/.+$" should be enough to backup all Desktop user folders on the windows client isn't it ? |
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| 09:00.55 | ksk | tobiasBora these packages can be remove without any probles, as they are not needed anymore by other packages ( but they were installed as dependencies of other packeges) |
| 09:01.09 | ksk | tobiasBora: on the other hand, disk space is not often an issue these days.. |
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| 09:03.28 | tobiasBora | ksk: I know, I just wonder if they are in this list because an important parent has been removed, or just because they aren't usefull anymore (the bluetooth isn't configured by bluedevil anymore ?) |
| 09:04.07 | tinyhippo | /3/3 |
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| 09:13.29 | jubo2 | hmm.. documenation says that Friendica and Hubzilla need "some form of email server or email gateway such that PHP mail() works." |
| 09:13.56 | jubo2 | uhhh.. I need a nullmailer there ? |
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| 09:14.24 | jubo2 | I just finally managed to get the diaspora* to connect to external SMTP server over TLS and send messages |
| 09:14.41 | jubo2 | now gotta get the mails flying from the other free social media instances |
| 09:15.00 | MaBunny | hey guys im back |
| 09:15.15 | MaBunny | was off for a smoke |
| 09:15.47 | MaBunny | ok actually i want to install Wing 7 in a pendrive.... |
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| 09:16.50 | uni_tosch | Wing 7? |
| 09:17.12 | MaBunny | and tht too for my lil bro |
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| 09:27.19 | peterrooney | ,v wdm |
| 09:27.20 | judd | Package: wdm on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.28-13+deb7u1; jessie: 1.28-17; stretch: 1.28-19; sid: 1.28-19 |
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| 09:27.42 | peterrooney | Debian stable so far behind, Wing Display Manager is only 1.28 |
| 09:28.14 | MaBunny | nope....not tht |
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| 09:29.04 | uni_tosch | wdm latest stable is 1.28... from 2005 |
| 09:31.09 | MaBunny | their project has frozen...as is their GUI system |
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| 09:32.00 | uni_tosch | MaBunny what is Wing 7? Windows 7? |
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| 09:32.32 | MaBunny | yes uni_tosch....my brother needs it for school assignments |
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| 09:33.01 | uni_tosch | Ah... well... you are in #notwindows :P |
| 09:33.23 | MaBunny | yeah baby....thts why i didnt tell tht b4 :P |
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| 09:36.44 | MaBunny | ,v mtools |
| 09:36.45 | judd | Package: mtools on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.0.12-1; wheezy: 4.0.17-1; stretch: 4.0.18-2; sid: 4.0.18-2; jessie: 4.0.18-2 |
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| 09:40.00 | MaBunny | anyways i am not changing OS....my lil bro needs a computer and I need to hav a Wingdos for some games....and all of my lil bros school assignments are done in Wingdos so he may more need it thn I |
| 09:40.11 | MaBunny | *need it more |
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| 09:44.02 | unborn | guys how to install all mutlimedia codecs into debian? |
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| 09:44.07 | unborn | nonfree I mean |
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| 09:44.15 | lancelot_of | hello there |
| 09:44.49 | MaBunny | and my dads laptop has tons of viruses...plus i need a computer free of viruses too...so i guess i wanted to ask you guys for help |
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| 09:45.26 | lancelot_of | any power manager and display properties manager apart from mate/gnome/kde/xfce etc. but with same charachteristics? Something not bounded to a complete DE I mean... |
| 09:45.31 | uni_tosch | unborn which one exactly? |
| 09:45.40 | MaBunny | ill use win32diskimager and go too my big sis' home to get help installing it |
| 09:45.48 | unborn | uni_tosch: all of them if possible |
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| 09:47.29 | uni_tosch | unborn, what exactly isn't working? |
| 09:47.53 | unborn | uni_tosch: ??? I just want to install them |
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| 09:52.30 | MaBunny | unborn read here about repos:- https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj2ga321ZrNAhVIMo8KHfOmAlcQFggbMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.debian.org%2FSourcesList&usg=AFQjCNEaB1xlNIUf8mtpKtyHGhZ7Kv3zXg&sig2=gjLym5P5hby_Nm7QCKI33g |
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| 09:53.14 | MaBunny | argh.... here:- https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 09:53.37 | MaBunny | you will find what you want here |
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| 09:59.01 | MaBunny | anyways brb got to install a system |
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| 10:00.13 | Alex993cc | Hi all |
| 10:00.29 | Alex993cc | got a weird problem with debian mirror on our local network, can anyone help ? |
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| 10:01.28 | ksk | Alex993cc: dont ask to ask.. |
| 10:01.35 | uniTosch | Alex993cc need the error msg and cat /etc/apt/sources.list to Paste.debian.bet |
| 10:01.39 | uniTosch | *net |
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| 10:03.35 | binaryplease | Hi, what do I need to install on a debain system, to be able to ssh into it using termite as terminal emulator and use tmux properly? |
| 10:03.40 | Alex993cc | its not an apt problem, debmirror doesnt seem to include a file that is needed |
| 10:03.44 | binaryplease | I need some kind of terminfo |
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| 10:03.50 | Alex993cc | ie: http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-mips/Packages |
| 10:04.07 | lancelot_of | no suggestion for me? |
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| 10:05.19 | Alex993cc | if i try to fetch this package from the local mirror it says it doesnt exist, but it also does not appear in the directory listing on iinet's http/ftp server either |
| 10:05.34 | Alex993cc | *Packages file |
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| 10:47.35 | dagerik | jessie boots into grub rescue after an upgrade to jessie. I cant seem to remember getting an grub install dialog box during the upgrade |
| 10:48.26 | Brigo | dagerik, some kind of problem happens, try finding some error message. |
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| 10:48.43 | dagerik | grub rescue says error: file not found |
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| 10:49.55 | Brigo | then there is some configuration problem. I would use the install disk/usb and boot in rescue mode and install grub again |
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| 10:50.07 | Brigo | i think there is an option just for that. |
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| 10:51.26 | rootkea | Hello! How do I save command output as image? I tried `convert` as mentioned on http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/9104/save-command-output-to-image but it creates an image containing `@-` |
| 10:52.01 | rootkea | BTW $ convert --version |
| 10:52.03 | rootkea | Version: ImageMagick 6.8.9-9 Q16 x86_64 2016-06-01 http://www.imagemagick.org |
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| 10:56.02 | dagerik | how can I do a grub install on a vm with broken grub |
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| 11:02.43 | rootkea | Hello! How do I save command output as image? I tried `convert` as mentioned on http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/9104/save-command-output-to-image but it creates an image containing `@-` |
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| 11:11.11 | Brigo | rootkea, a screenshot ? |
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| 11:13.50 | rootkea | Brigo: a screenshot of the image generated? |
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| 11:16.25 | rootkea | Brigo: screenshot of ip.png generated https://imgur.com/AjpPXx5 |
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| 11:19.05 | rootkea | Brigo: Oh I think you were suggesting me to take a screenshot I guess. Unfortunately it's not possible as the output generated is more than screenfull and I'm unaware of any open source tool which takes the screenshot of scrolled window |
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| 11:28.51 | teraflops | rootkea: idk about imagemagik but `ip a > /tmp/deleteme && pango-view /tmp/deleteme -o ip.png` works |
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| 11:31.25 | Iridos | is there something simple that would allow someone to upload some biggish files via http to my machin? |
| 11:32.01 | Iridos | I tried just making a short form + a php script for upload, but that failed for bigger files |
| 11:32.09 | Iridos | and seems ftp is not an option |
| 11:32.24 | teraflops | rootkea: also pango-view -t "$(ip a)" -o ip.png ^ |
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| 11:33.47 | Thraul | any sendmail guru's around? |
| 11:34.42 | dagerik | im getting X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. after sudoing |
| 11:34.50 | dagerik | xeyes works as normal user though |
| 11:35.24 | teraflops | you meant you need root through ssh -X? |
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| 11:36.13 | rootkea | teraflops: Thanks! It works! But doesn't preserve the terminal colors generated. (e.g. ls colors) I thought convert from imagemagic could create an image with colors. |
| 11:36.15 | dagerik | teraflops: eyah |
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| 11:36.33 | teraflops | dagerik: try `xhost +` |
| 11:36.50 | rootkea | teraflops: Any idea how do I preserve the terminal colors in the image generated? |
| 11:36.55 | teraflops | rootkea: "$(comand)" is clever because shell expansion |
| 11:38.10 | teraflops | rootkea: no idea about that |
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| 11:42.32 | teraflops | rootkea: give a try to asciinema or showterm? |
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| 11:49.26 | rootkea | teraflops: Both asciinema and showterm don't create the image. Image which I can easily share, mail etc. Have a look at https://imgur.com/rUukSxd It's a screenshot. But what do I do for the command output which is more than a screenful? |
| 11:49.49 | teraflops | rootkea: asciinema saves it to a gif iirc |
| 11:50.03 | teraflops | rootkea: but yeah it's not the same |
| 11:50.32 | Iridos | why do you want to save the text of a terminal as an image anyway |
| 11:51.14 | teraflops | rootkea: you mean https://ptpb.pw/-F5b.png ? |
| 11:51.50 | teraflops | ah nope |
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| 11:52.21 | rootkea | teraflops: Exactly! But for a command with more than a screenful output |
| 11:52.23 | teraflops | i guess asciinema to a gif is not bad idea |
| 11:52.52 | Iridos | is this all about putting the output of a terminal into a png that you can than include into an excel sheet table that you can integrate into a word file? |
| 11:52.57 | Iridos | because that's more user friendly? |
| 11:52.58 | teraflops | but it does not preserver _your_ lscolor it picks its own ones |
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| 11:56.33 | rootkea | Iridos: Very funny! No. It's NOT about all of the ... stuff you said. Actually I am organizing an GNU/Linux intro event at my college for which we are going to use social media so we need to create an image of terminal output with it's colors so that we can use that image as cover photo, on website frontpage, as profile pics etc. |
| 11:56.36 | teraflops | also gifs are easy to share since every web browser is able to open gifs |
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| 11:56.49 | VladimirVolkov | Ñ |
| 11:57.25 | teraflops | rootkea: but you want a 200 lines png output for a profile photo? really? |
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| 11:57.43 | rootkea | teraflops: Ok. Not profile pic really! |
| 11:57.48 | teraflops | ah |
| 11:58.47 | rootkea | One way to tackle this problem is to use screenshot tool which can take screenshot of scrolled window. |
| 11:59.08 | rootkea | But to my surprise I couldn't find a single open source alternative. Sigh! |
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| 12:00.16 | rootkea | Another way is to use imagemagic convert as suggested on commandlinefoo here http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/9104/save-command-output-to-image |
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| 12:00.55 | unborn | rootkea: for website? that is easy |
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| 12:01.29 | unborn | regard img to binary code, thats also easy.. one command and you are done.. |
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| 12:02.01 | rootkea | unborn: I know right! I can even embed the screencast from showterm. But I am really focussing on cover photo and shared photos on social sites as the use case |
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| 12:02.55 | unborn | rootkea: sure.. what this does have to-do with debian or terminal perhaps? |
| 12:03.16 | unborn | rootkea: I think it all depends from social network you are on |
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| 12:04.04 | unborn | rootkea: speaking about social networks - I have one which I really dont use that much.. linkedin.. and second best social network ever on a world - this: IRC |
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| 12:04.32 | rootkea | unborn: Did I mention "college" event? :P |
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| 12:05.16 | unborn | rootkea: sorry I am old git its been more than decade since college |
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| 12:06.18 | linux-fox | hi, all |
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| 12:06.49 | rootkea | unborn: My real problem which made me come here is why the commad mentioned at http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/9104/save-command-output-to-image is not working as expected even when nearly 79 people have upvoted the same |
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| 12:07.04 | unborn | rootkea: let me see |
| 12:07.17 | unborn | oh |
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| 12:07.34 | unborn | rootkea: can you be more simple? what you trying to do? |
| 12:07.56 | dagerik | console login says "web login: " what does this mean |
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| 12:08.35 | linux-fox | web is hostname? |
| 12:08.58 | unborn | rootkea: save command output to image? meh I would say to txt file.. if you need image then print screen.. easy, no complications |
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| 12:10.16 | rootkea | unborn: What if the command output is colored and more than screenful? |
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| 12:10.55 | rootkea | unborn: I am simply trying to run the command `ifconfig | convert label:@- ip.png` on my terminal which should create an image ip.png with the contents of ifconfig but instead it's creating ip.png with characters `@-` as it's content |
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| 12:15.06 | unborn | rootkea: try convert label:"whatever text you want to be print" result.png |
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| 12:16.51 | rootkea | unborn: what about `command| convert label:"foo" result.png` ? |
| 12:17.07 | teraflops | rootkea: btw `convert label:"$(ls)" result.png` works now go figure the colors :P |
| 12:17.13 | rootkea | It just produces an image result.png with "foo" as the text in it. |
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| 12:17.43 | unborn | rootkea: I dont think that imagemagic can do that |
| 12:18.33 | rootkea | teraflops: Thanks but I already know that as someone mentioned it on #ubuntu |
| 12:19.26 | teraflops | ok |
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| 12:19.46 | jelly | c0mrade: for free? |
| 12:19.51 | rootkea | unborn: Ok. So am I doing something wrong or the folks at commandlinefu are off the track (+ 79 other people)? |
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| 12:22.27 | unborn | rootkea: that could be right.. you did not found the answer yet not even 79+ other people was able to help you heh what I mean I tried various ways to get the output to image but what I end up is issuing my command and then to the above command with output in "..." to print it - that was only way to make it work.. fairly simple would be put output as a text.. not as an image.. that also makes more sence |
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| 12:22.31 | unborn | *sense |
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| 12:23.57 | rootkea | unborn: Not if you want a coloured terminal output (which is the requirement of event photo) :P |
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| 12:24.47 | rootkea | unborn: Heck the more I search I come across the same solution on blogs, forums. I don't know what's going on? May be syntax of `convert` got changed? |
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| 12:25.43 | unborn | ah rootkea |
| 12:25.45 | unborn | hold on |
| 12:25.55 | jelly | rootkea: use script(1) to capture output, reproduce in a fixed terminal size, one screenful at a time, capture the terminal, concatenate the resulting images |
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| 12:26.52 | Brigo | or convert to a pdf and then to an image. |
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| 12:27.14 | unborn | rootkea: try to see this terminal output (much greater then terminal it self.. its just text copied out.. please do copy text |
| 12:27.16 | unborn | https://paste.topfreelancer.co.uk/?172b4f6994508a97#mcHRt5UVjxIqk2I+HyZ6TPqosmqC1EVsl94ld3kkaXw= |
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| 12:28.22 | unborn | rootkea: then come here http://laptop.topfreelancer.co.uk/editor/ and delete all text.. then just do ``` paste ``` and click preview |
| 12:28.31 | unborn | much better then image |
| 12:28.43 | SillyTalker | is tehre any install guide for UEFI? (for my surface pro 2) |
| 12:29.11 | SillyTalker | i read a lot of nasty stuff liek the installer overwriting the bootloader, even if you tell it to write to another disk and whatnot |
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| 12:30.04 | rootkea | unborn: Very well formatted! Thank you for taking the pains. But I am really interested in preserving the colors. (You know being a "college" event for freshers and all) :) |
| 12:30.53 | unborn | rootkea: another very simple solution is your command - then higlight all in terminal press ctrl+shift+c and open gimp - create new image - click text and paste it there.. change fonts to fit your image size and save it as jpg or png |
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| 12:31.35 | rootkea | jelly: For that we don't need `script`. Just take the multiple screenshots by scrolling the terminal and then stitch them together. I am trying to avoid the 2-action game you see! :) |
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| 12:31.58 | unborn | rootkea: once again.. imagemagic have its own limitations simple is that. you will be better of on imagemagic irc channel... as I do not think its anyway os related |
| 12:32.01 | hypOS | hey guys, I have an install of debian jessie on one of my laptops. the device comes with a 32 BIT UEFI, which is supported in debian, so everything works. |
| 12:32.19 | hypOS | however, Ubuntu and its derivates do not boot and/or install on that UEFI |
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| 12:32.26 | unborn | btw rootkea preserving colors you can do editing css.. |
| 12:32.42 | unborn | anything else seems to be faster solution then wasting the time actually |
| 12:33.04 | hypOS | so what I now wish to do, is dual boot debian and linux mint, by installing mint on another partition on the drive, but I wish to keep the bootloader (GRUB) of debian |
| 12:33.23 | rootkea | unborn: Thanks for the suggestion. I should indeed asked on imagemagic irc. Anyways thanks for all the help! :) |
| 12:33.49 | hypOS | what commands do I need at the grub prompt? I tried set=root(cd0), then I loaded up the kernel and then the initrd image |
| 12:34.16 | hypOS | however, the bootprocess is being stuck and the DVD doesn't spin anymore, what tells me that nothing happens any further |
| 12:34.34 | unborn | rootkea: it was not mean to agonising anything but - sometimes asking devs directly is best way ;) |
| 12:34.55 | rootkea | unborn: I undesrand. :) |
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| 12:34.56 | hypOS | did I miss some command? is it even possible to boot a system up using a GRUB bootloader that is located on an entirely different device? |
| 12:35.01 | hypOS | any input is greatly appreciated |
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| 12:36.18 | hypOS | I tried 'linux /casper/linuzvm' |
| 12:36.54 | hypOS | and 'initrd /casper/initimagethingy' |
| 12:37.22 | jelly | rootkea: you can automate slicing output collected with script easily. You can't automate "scrolling a window" as easily |
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| 12:38.14 | hypOS | and 'boot', of course |
| 12:39.01 | rootkea | jelly: Why are we avoiding the major issue which is "why the highly upvoted simple solution to this excat problem is not working" instead of searching for workarounds? |
| 12:39.16 | rootkea | jelly: BTW I am talking about http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/9104/save-command-output-to-image |
| 12:39.29 | rootkea | *exact |
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| 12:40.32 | teraflops | rootkea: no the problem here is that you are stuck in a non working oneliner that you dont even know the output it generates |
| 12:41.04 | jelly | rootkea: it's working, just does not do exactly what you want it to |
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| 12:41.55 | dbristow | Is there a separate schedule for the releases of debian live images? 8.5.0 is out but there is only 8.4.0-live currently. |
| 12:41.56 | teraflops | convert label:"$(ifconfig)" result.png does nor escape color sequences also does not capture the terminal image it converts it the same as pango-view does |
| 12:42.05 | teraflops | s/not |
| 12:42.18 | rootkea | teraflops: well put! And I am feeling really curious as to know why it's not working as advertised? i.e. "save command output to image " In case you missed that |
| 12:42.28 | teraflops | rootkea: go ask them :P |
| 12:42.51 | teraflops | it saves output to an image .... |
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| 12:43.05 | teraflops | it's just not the way you want |
| 12:43.08 | rootkea | Does it? Did you run the same command? |
| 12:43.10 | hypOS | dbristow it's ready when it's ready |
| 12:43.34 | teraflops | rootkea: convert label:"$(ifconfig)" result.png ? |
| 12:43.35 | hypOS | don't push them around |
| 12:43.39 | dbristow | hypOS: That's what I thought. |
| 12:43.58 | rootkea | teraflops: I see "ifconfig | convert label:@- ip.png" |
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| 12:44.06 | teraflops | ... |
| 12:44.08 | teraflops | ok |
| 12:44.14 | jelly | rootkea: it works as advertised, http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/text/#label |
| 12:44.40 | jelly | rootkea: note the complete lack of "interpreting xterm control codes" in the manual |
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| 12:45.54 | unborn | teraflops: convert label:"$(ifconfig)" result.png worked ! |
| 12:46.11 | teraflops | yeah but not the way he wants⦠|
| 12:46.33 | rootkea | jelly: OMG! Thanks a ton! I guess that's what I was looking for. My takeaway "don't believe on websites with n number of upvotes" :) |
| 12:46.43 | teraflops | because _convert_ implies converting things in other things |
| 12:47.20 | jelly | rootkea: reading the actual manual sometimes helps, yes |
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| 12:48.18 | unborn | teraflops: he would have to specify the color output by him self.. however here is what I got from your command: http://laptop.topfreelancer.co.uk/uploads/result.png |
| 12:48.46 | rootkea | jelly: But then after reading the manual I think `ifconfig | convert - result.png` should work as here `-` signifies stdin as input file |
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| 12:49.17 | rootkea | jelly: But it throws erros as "convert: no decode delegate for this image format `' @ error/constitute.c/ReadImage/501. convert: no images defined `ip.png' @ error/convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/3210." |
| 12:49.34 | rootkea | jelly: can you please shed a light on this? |
| 12:50.05 | jelly | rootkea: your stdin did not look like an image format known to imagemagick |
| 12:50.19 | teraflops | unborn: you can get weird results https://ptpb.pw/AiGM.png :P |
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| 12:51.55 | unborn | teraflops: yeah I noticed that when I did dig a bit dipper lol but your one is really funny ;) |
| 12:52.03 | teraflops | heh |
| 12:52.22 | rootkea | jelly: Oh! Noe I got it! I did `cat foo.png | convert - bar.png` and it worked! |
| 12:52.28 | rootkea | *Now |
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| 12:53.03 | rootkea | jelly: output of ifconfig is not an image format! |
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| 12:53.58 | [Brain] | will there ever be a debian codenamed babyface? |
| 12:54.04 | [Brain] | :D |
| 12:54.12 | jelly | rootkea: right. I'd be most grateful of you would you stop highlighting me with stuff you just figured out but which is kind of obvious in hindsight. |
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| 12:55.41 | rootkea | Oops! Sorry! |
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| 13:22.33 | Drzacek | Any reason why I have only old gcc available on jessie? |
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| 13:24.00 | jelly | Drzacek: that's what "stable" means, no newer upstream versions after the version freeze happens |
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| 13:24.58 | jelly | Drzacek: 4.8 and 4.9 were available at the time jessie was frozen |
| 13:25.07 | Drzacek | jelly, how do I fix that? |
| 13:25.36 | Drzacek | wait, so Jessie is old? what is current version? |
| 13:25.45 | jelly | jessie is the current release |
| 13:26.01 | Drzacek | okay |
| 13:26.23 | jelly | you want gcc 5.x or 6.x, set up an enviroment with debian testing or debian unstable |
| 13:26.34 | babilen | There has not been a newer stable release, but there are development branches in which you'd also find new gcc versions. The 'testing' branch is what will become the next stable release, stretch. |
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| 13:26.46 | babilen | judd: v gcc-6 |
| 13:26.47 | judd | Package: gcc-6 on amd64 -- stretch: 6.1.1-4; sid: 6.1.1-5 |
| 13:26.51 | babilen | ^ for example |
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| 13:27.32 | jelly | not sure what's the easiest debootstrap+chroot wrapper thingy kids use these days |
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| 13:28.10 | jelly | schroot? sbuild? ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 13:31.06 | themill | of course you won't be able to run the binary it makes on a jessie install either |
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| 13:33.51 | Drzacek | http://paste.debian.net/730787/ |
| 13:33.59 | Drzacek | Got problem during upgrade |
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| 13:34.38 | themill | Drzacek: upgrading from what to what? |
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| 13:36.28 | Drzacek | jessie to testing? |
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| 13:46.58 | eset | hey, I did dist-upgrade from 7 to 8. After Reboot system goes to emergency mode sugesting go to systemctal default again and it fails with hangup |
| 13:48.45 | jelly | eset: did you follow the upgrade procedure from jessie (debian 8) release notes? Weird stuff can happen if you omit some of the steps. |
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| 13:49.49 | eset | jelly: Could you paste the link? I'm ready to do if again. I've got snapshoot before I made upgrade |
| 13:49.56 | jelly | !jessie release notes |
| 13:49.57 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>. |
| 13:50.00 | eset | thx |
| 13:50.08 | jelly | dpkg, tell eset about wheezy->jessie |
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| 13:51.52 | eset | jelly: I did from that site exatcly |
| 13:52.15 | eset | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.pl.html |
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| 13:59.01 | TehRabbitt | hey |
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| 13:59.24 | TehRabbitt | so I'm thinking of setting up an internal debian repo for patch management... anyone ever done this before? |
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| 14:06.35 | TehRabbitt | I want to set up the server internally and then have it sync on a bi-weekly basis so that I can QA the patches prior to pushing them to production etc. |
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| 14:11.40 | g105b | Please could someone help me upgrade git to version > 2.3 on my Debian wheezy server? I have downloaded the deb file, tried `dpkg -i git-2.3.deb` and git --version still shows 1.7. I have also tried following this guide (backports.debian.org/Instructions), but `apt-get install -t jessie-backports git-core` says nothing to upgrade. |
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| 14:11.58 | greycat | STOP DOWNLOADING RANDOM .deb FILES |
| 14:12.02 | greycat | !dontbreakdebian |
| 14:12.02 | dpkg | hmm... dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 14:12.22 | g105b | it wasn't random, I picked the latest release on debian.org |
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| 14:12.30 | greycat | But you are not RUNNING the latest release. |
| 14:12.36 | greycat | So that file won't work for you. |
| 14:12.43 | unborn | g105b: it should be straight forward - upgrade your server to latest.. |
| 14:12.53 | greycat | ,v git |
| 14:12.54 | judd | Package: git on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy3; wheezy-security: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy3; wheezy-backports: 1:1.9.1-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u2; stretch: 1:2.8.1-1; sid: 1:2.8.1-1; experimental: 1:2.8.1+next.20160414-1 |
| 14:13.16 | greycat | It's not even IN the latest release. You are lying. |
| 14:13.26 | unborn | :) |
| 14:13.31 | greycat | Latest release (jessie) has version 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u2 |
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| 14:14.29 | greycat | does NOT understand why people want post-stable software on OLDstable servers |
| 14:14.40 | greycat | You'd think they would at least upgrade to current stable. |
| 14:14.48 | unborn | I agree whit greycat ! |
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| 14:15.19 | unborn | in fact I do not support outdated stuff.. |
| 14:15.27 | g105b | greycat: excuse me for my lack of understanding of debian compared to yours |
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| 14:15.59 | unborn | g105b: try to update your srv to latest and then it will work |
| 14:16.11 | g105b | So in summary, it is generally a bad idea to work outside of the official package releases of the distribution? |
| 14:16.18 | greycat | If you want post-stable software on a pre-stable server, you have to NOT USE packages. Just delete the git package completely and COMPILE git from upstream source code. Do not use a .deb file. |
| 14:16.33 | jelly | judd: checkbackport git |
| 14:16.39 | judd | Backporting package git in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual. |
| 14:16.49 | jelly | dpkg, tell g105b about simple sid backport |
| 14:16.59 | greycat | If you want to work outside of the distribution's packages, that's fine, but you do it by ACTUALLY being outside of the package manager. By using source code and installing in /opt or /usr/local or /home. |
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| 14:17.18 | jelly | or make a local .deb |
| 14:17.28 | greycat | jelly: can it check for building sid packages on his WHEEZY server? |
| 14:17.40 | jelly | oh, wheezy? |
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| 14:18.16 | jelly | judd: checkbackport git --torelease wheezy |
| 14:18.17 | themill | ,checkbackport git --torelease wheezy |
| 14:18.18 | judd | Backporting package git in sidâwheezy/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using virtual, wheezy. |
| 14:18.28 | themill | *snap* |
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| 14:19.19 | jelly | themill: make it accept --to-release and --option=value so I don't have to think! |
| 14:19.22 | jelly | hides |
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| 14:19.47 | emma|offline | Greetings. If I were to use the netinstall of the latest Debian and install MATE on top, what version would I get? 1.8 or 1.12? |
| 14:19.56 | emma|offline | (Debian-stable) |
| 14:20.15 | themill | jelly: I'm sure upstream will be happy to accept the patches ;) |
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| 14:21.16 | greycat | .v mate-utils |
| 14:21.22 | greycat | ,v mate-utils |
| 14:21.23 | judd | Package: mate-utils on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.0+dfsg1-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.8.1+dfsg1-2+deb8u1; stretch: 1.14.0-1; sid: 1.14.0-1 |
| 14:21.32 | greycat | You'd have MATE 1.8 in jessie. |
| 14:21.40 | emma|offline | Thanks |
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| 14:37.25 | Drzacek | I was doing dist-upgrade (jessie to testing), and he asked me to end kdm. I agreed and landed in console @ login |
| 14:37.58 | Drzacek | While I expected for GUI to end, but I don't see it doing anything (upgrading), yet he forbids me to start dist-upgrade again |
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| 14:38.32 | Drzacek | I'm afraid it runs in background, and if I restart/shutdown now, my system become corrupted |
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| 14:39.23 | greycat | Drzacek: testing support is on the OFTC network (not this network) in channel #debian-next |
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| 14:40.29 | Drzacek | greycat, ok, thanks |
| 14:40.42 | Drzacek | ...is invite only |
| 14:40.54 | greycat | Not. On. This. Network. |
| 14:40.59 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 14:40.59 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:41.02 | Drzacek | greycat, yeah, realized that when I send |
| 14:41.08 | Drzacek | sorry |
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| 14:42.16 | Drzacek | I'm not sure how IRC networks work in that matter - is my nickname globaly registered on all irc networks, or do they keep separate records? |
| 14:42.31 | greycat | Each network has separate user names. |
| 14:42.32 | tinyhippo | Drzacek: separate |
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| 14:45.02 | TehRabbitt | anyone here ever set up an in-house repo for debian? |
| 14:47.43 | jelly | !reprepro |
| 14:47.44 | dpkg | reprepro (formerly mirrorer) is a tool to produce, manage and sync a local repository of Debian packages. See /usr/share/doc/reprepro/short-howto.gz after package installation to set up a repository. Alternatively, ask me about <dpkg-scanpackages>. |
| 14:47.46 | jelly | TehRabbitt: ^^ |
| 14:47.55 | TehRabbitt | ah cool |
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| 14:48.15 | TehRabbitt | jelly, is it possible to schedule how often it updates? |
| 14:48.16 | jelly | assuming you want a half-decent repo with signatures and stuff |
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| 14:48.33 | TehRabbitt | jelly, well yes. |
| 14:48.58 | TehRabbitt | jelly, looking to keep several dozen servers up to date, and on the same patch level on a rolling basis. |
| 14:49.02 | TehRabbitt | QA and Prod. etc. |
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| 14:49.31 | jelly | I have to confess I haven't used it myself. The few packages we make aren't even pgp signed. |
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| 14:50.25 | emma|offline | any good way to get a newer version of MATE in jessie-stable? |
| 14:50.34 | emma|offline | 1.8 is kind of non-ideal |
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| 14:58.19 | Iridos | judd, versions mate-core |
| 14:58.20 | judd | Package: mate-core on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.0+7~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.8.0+9; stretch: 1.14.0+2; sid: 1.14.0+2 |
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| 14:58.47 | Iridos | seems only if you want to backport it yourself |
| 14:59.04 | radw62 | hello |
| 14:59.08 | Iridos | which I guess falls into the category "fun is being had" |
| 14:59.11 | jelly | it's probably next to impossible to backport a DE |
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| 14:59.32 | jelly | even if someone's done it |
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| 15:00.21 | Iridos | I think anyone with two to three weeks of time dedicated to nothing else and some good knowledge about libraries can do it |
| 15:01.28 | greycat | Depends on where you draw the line about what you're allowed to backport. I stopped cold when I got to the point where I had to install a post-release version of dpkg (!!) for compiling (!!) stuff. Because of some stupid tool that is included in the dpkg package instead of a development package. |
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| 15:02.00 | Iridos | heh |
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| 15:02.24 | Iridos | ok... someone with 2-3 weeks time, good knowledge of libraries and good nerves |
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| 15:05.11 | themill | greycat: would I guess right at dpkg-maintscript-helper? |
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| 15:06.05 | HD|Laptop | Hi, since updating my Debian testing system, my network interfaces have been renamed by udev crap despite net.ifnames=0 in kernel commandline |
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| 15:06.19 | HD|Laptop | the net.ifnames=0 is correctly passed from bootloader, as shown by /proc/cmdline |
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| 15:08.31 | greycat | themill: It's been a while. Might have been. |
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| 15:09.24 | jo34 | how do i stop dmesg from posting all over my screen while I am in single user mode? |
| 15:09.50 | jo34 | dunno if it is actually dmesg... something similar |
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| 15:11.15 | themill | greycat: that's about the only tool in dpkg that leads to versioned dependencies and it certainly belongs in dpkg not dpkg-dev |
| 15:11.54 | greycat | themill: I don't understand, but if you say so.... |
| 15:12.17 | themill | it's used by the maintainer scripts so it has to be on the system |
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| 15:21.39 | greycat | jo34: If it begins with a number in square brackets like [ 60.345678] then it's coming from the kernel. |
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| 15:22.21 | jo34 | greycat, is there anything i can do about it? |
| 15:22.32 | greycat | Depends on what "it" is. |
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| 15:23.16 | greycat | Normally the best advice would be "finish up your single user mode task and get out". |
| 15:25.51 | rattking | jo34: you can turn the kernel loglevel down, but its usually best to figure out why the kernel is printing so many messages and what they mean |
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| 15:26.19 | greycat | We're still assuming an answer to my comment that wasn't actually explicitly given. |
| 15:27.03 | jo34 | it's mostly iptables logs, actually |
| 15:27.19 | greycat | Why is iptables running in single-user mode...? Or is that normal? |
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| 15:27.43 | jo34 | seems normal. i do need network access. |
| 15:27.46 | greycat | Does single-user mode even bring up the network, these days? I haven't used it in a while. |
| 15:28.58 | jo34 | maybe i'm not using the proper term. single user mode must not be the right term here. |
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| 15:30.08 | simonlnu | it might, i don't recall if it does. last time i used it was 3 weeks ago, and i wasn't paying attention to that. |
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| 15:30.31 | greycat | I don't think I've used it since systemd/jessie, so it might be dramatically different now. |
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| 15:31.50 | jo34 | no i'm actually talking about the "virtual consoles provided by agetty" |
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| 15:34.15 | greycat | If you switch to Ctrl-Alt-F2 (tty2) do you get the same level of iptables/kernel spam? |
| 15:35.22 | jo34 | yeah that's where i'm getting the spam... tty, not single user |
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| 15:36.04 | greycat | I can't even find where the logging gets directed to the console(s). I figured it would be in rsyslog.conf but apparently not. If it's buried in systemd, then... ugh. |
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| 15:36.38 | greycat | So, either try tty2 instead of tty1, or figure out how the hell logging works now. |
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| 15:36.55 | jo34 | ok |
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| 15:37.57 | jhutchins | jo34: you usually tell iptables where to write log info when you set it up. |
| 15:38.57 | jhutchins | jo34: /etc/*syslog.conf also directs kernel messages to the consoles. |
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| 15:40.12 | greycat | jhutchins: where? All I see is a |/dev/xconsole at the end. |
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| 15:44.41 | jo34 | greycat, that's the line |
| 15:45.01 | greycat | That writes to a named pipe that you read from with xconsole, in X. |
| 15:45.11 | jo34 | replace |/dev/xconsole with /dev/tty8 |
| 15:45.16 | jo34 | that fixes my problem |
| 15:45.20 | greycat | Should not have any relevance to tty... |
| 15:45.24 | greycat | Huh? Really? |
| 15:45.29 | jo34 | yeah really |
| 15:45.51 | jhutchins | greycat: Yeah, looking for something that defines the default for kernel messages... |
| 15:46.10 | jo34 | can finally use tty in peace |
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| 15:46.13 | greycat | Does systemd run something on the standard virtual consoles that reads /dev/xconsole? |
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| 15:57.59 | jo34 | i was wrong |
| 15:58.00 | jo34 | nm |
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| 16:00.29 | jo34 | i thought i was in peace :( |
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| 16:00.52 | jhutchins | jo34: If it's iptables check your rules. |
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| 16:01.48 | jo34 | jhutchins, it's not JUST iptables... it's a bunch of kernel messages, but iptables makes up the majority |
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| 16:02.15 | jo34 | my iptables rules have --log-level 1 |
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| 16:02.31 | greycat | jo34: maybe?? http://askubuntu.com/questions/97256/how-do-i-disable-messages-or-logging-from-printing-on-the-console-virtual-termin |
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| 16:04.31 | jo34 | i think that worked |
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| 16:13.37 | meh__ | how could i change some flags of chromium? or update this rules to the quilt api https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium/blob/master/build_templates/debian/rules |
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| 16:17.45 | nkuttler | meh__: yeah, debian/rules |
| 16:19.36 | meh__ | nkuttler how could i update this rules file to the quilt api?, therefore i gonna make this work with patches |
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| 16:23.21 | teraflops | meh__: quilt cares about applying patches not about dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 16:24.06 | tharkun | Is the vanilla Kernel on Debian capable of performing ipsec tunnels? |
| 16:24.28 | tharkun | What does this line mean on the kernel configuration file CONFIG_INET_AH=m ? |
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| 16:25.38 | Wulf | tharkun: yes |
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| 16:25.52 | Wulf | tharkun: it means that the AH module (which you don't need) is built as a module |
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| 16:26.43 | tharkun | Wulf: Thanks |
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| 16:27.13 | tharkun | What would be a sign if I do need the module? |
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| 16:28.22 | meh__ | nkuttler but if the rules has an ancient api |
| 16:28.25 | meh__ | it gonna fail |
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| 16:54.25 | keith4 | since the 8.5 point release, which included updates to lvm2 and liblvm2cmd2.02, lvmetad is running even though it's disabled in lvm.conf. this causes a warning every time an LVM command is run |
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| 16:54.51 | keith4 | has anyone else seen this? WARNING: lvmetad is running but disabled. Restart lvmetad before enabling it! |
| 16:55.43 | pflanze | How can I change the search engines in firefox-esr ? The functionality in the preferences for this seems to have been removed. |
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| 16:56.16 | greycat | I usually add a search engine by right-clicking in the entry field on the search engine's actual web page, and then selecting... something... I forget what. |
| 16:56.34 | pflanze | hm checking |
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| 17:00.26 | pflanze | Well can't seem to make a search engine entry that way, just a bookmark. |
| 17:00.53 | pflanze | Browsers are so frustrating.</rant> |
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| 17:01.41 | greycat | I just went to www.bing.com in Iceweasel and right-clicked the big entry field, and one of the options is "Add a Keyword for this Search..." |
| 17:01.53 | pflanze | Yep, found this |
| 17:01.59 | pflanze | but it adds a bookmark, not search engine entry. |
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| 17:02.48 | greycat | I put "b" in the keyword entry field (the last one) and saved it, cleared the URL bar, typed "b free software" in the URL bar, pressed Enter. It worked. |
| 17:02.57 | greycat | This is how I've always added new search-engine-keywords in the past. |
| 17:03.10 | pflanze | Aha. |
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| 17:03.23 | pflanze | That's what the keyword thing is for. Get it now. |
| 17:03.44 | pflanze | Sadly I wanted to change the default search engine (to DDG in html mode) |
| 17:04.15 | greycat | Google randomly until you find instructions that say how to do that. That's how I do everything with browsers. They don't have documentation any more. |
| 17:04.33 | pflanze | Already did that, perhaps not enough. |
| 17:04.38 | mns | I am using aptitude and doing aptitude safe-upgrade and it is sitting with the following output since about 9am EST or so: open: 441728; closed: 565455; defer: 44; conflict: 58 The numbers keep incrementing, but at some point it just runs out of memory or such and errors out. Anyone know why this happens ? |
| 17:04.57 | pflanze | I guess I'll have to write my own browser. With blackjack, and hookers. |
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| 17:06.35 | greycat | mns: if this is wheezy->jessie, the release notes say to use apt-get, not aptitude. |
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| 17:07.01 | mns | greycat: this is debian/testing |
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| 17:07.10 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 17:07.11 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 17:07.49 | mns | how long has debian-next existed for ? |
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| 17:08.20 | greycat | Probably about as long as the OFTC/Freenode split. Dunno for sure. I never go on OFTC. |
| 17:08.22 | mns | greycat: thanks. will ask there. |
| 17:08.51 | mns | never even knew there had been a split from freenode. |
| 17:08.53 | darksbane3k | keith4: i haven't played with lvm lately, but it looks like lvm2-lvmetad.service is socket activated. i wonder if it's started by that even though it's disabled. |
| 17:09.07 | darksbane3k | keith4: have you tried systemctl stop lvm2-lvmetad.service ? |
| 17:09.09 | mns | anyway, thanks for the input. |
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| 17:15.06 | keith4 | darksbane3k: good idea |
| 17:15.26 | keith4 | I was more interested in figuring out why it got started everywhere, I guess |
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| 17:16.35 | keith4 | darksbane3k: heh, it even tells you that when you stop it: Warning: Stopping lvm2-lvmetad.service, but it can still be activated by: lvm2-lvmetad.socket |
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| 17:22.33 | marcelfox | hello Debians! how are we today? I've got a question for ya, for anyone, what are the disadvantages of using ssmtp ust to configure a outgoing mail, if there's any. |
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| 17:23.20 | greycat | ssmtp is only for when you have some full-featured mail server you want to route outgoing messages through |
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| 17:24.47 | greycat | Package description says there's not even a spool, so your mail server (smarthost) would have to be up 24/7.... |
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| 17:26.05 | marcelfox | greycat: for sure, like said, it's just for outgoing mail, so it's ok to proceed using it with gmail I guess |
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| 17:26.19 | greycat | *shudder* |
| 17:26.36 | __infinity | need help with google-chrome on debian linux. No sound ... I have created a new user "chromeuser" and launching it from gksu. Googling like crazy, maybe I should add the user into pulseaudio group or something like it? |
| 17:26.59 | marcelfox | hahahaha |
| 17:27.23 | marcelfox | You don't think so? |
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| 17:27.32 | jhutchins | __infinity: Usually only the current X user has access to the audio output. |
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| 17:28.10 | greycat | marcelfox: relying on a mail server that's not only NOT on your LAN, but is under the control of a slightly questionable mega corporation.... |
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| 17:29.06 | greycat | If I had to rely on a mail server that's across the cloud, I would sure as hell want a *spooling* local MTA to queue up outgoing messages when there's turbulence. |
| 17:29.11 | jhutchins | marcelfox: Any reason not to just use the Debian default (Postfix?)? |
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| 17:29.21 | greycat | Postfix is the default now? Since when? |
| 17:29.37 | marcelfox | greycat: good point! |
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| 17:29.44 | jhutchins | greycat: I don't know if it's Postfix or exim4, legacy systems. |
| 17:29.52 | greycat | exim4 last time I checked |
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| 17:30.09 | jhutchins | greycat: Same here, but that was etch/lenny. |
| 17:30.19 | sweb | how can i temporary disable network and reenable it ... ? |
| 17:30.26 | sweb | any script or trick |
| 17:30.27 | greycat | ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
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| 17:30.38 | greycat | assuming eth0 is your active interface |
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| 17:30.49 | jhutchins | sweb: Or Network Manager if GUI. |
| 17:30.51 | sweb | ifdown eth0; sleep 15; ifup eth0 /// it's safe over ssh ? |
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| 17:31.04 | sweb | for 15 seconds disable network |
| 17:31.06 | greycat | If you do it inside screen or tmux. |
| 17:31.22 | marcelfox | jhutchins: the thing is that I need to configure an my server for sending outgoing mails, for user confirmation etc, but I guess that I'll need to configure a whole mail server too |
| 17:31.24 | greycat | Otherwise the shell might get killed while you're sleeping.... |
| 17:31.46 | marcelfox | the issue is, the named server which I'm not familiar yet |
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| 17:32.08 | greycat | You don't need to run named. |
| 17:32.11 | afernandez_ | inside screen or tmux how do i do that? |
| 17:32.14 | jhutchins | marcelfox: That's the correct way to do it reliably. dpkg-configure makes it pretty easy to set up, expecially for outbound only. |
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| 17:32.38 | greycat | Run screen. Run the command you want to run. Detach with Ctrl-A d unless you are already kicked off. Reattach with screen -x. |
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| 17:33.44 | afernandez_ | Thanks greycat |
| 17:33.49 | marcelfox | greycat: but, I have a domain and a vhost for it, I'll need to configure a nameserver and dns entries for, as MX and stuff |
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| 17:34.02 | greycat | marcelfox: that is all completely separate from a spooling outgoing MTA. |
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| 17:34.25 | greycat | A spooling outgoing MTA doesn't even need a domain name, since it doesn't need to receive mail. |
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| 17:34.54 | marcelfox | greycat: didn't imagine that, as you can notice my relation with named service |
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| 17:35.39 | greycat | And even if you run a full bidirectional MTA, the domain name services can be on a completely different host. |
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| 17:36.59 | marcelfox | greycat: I'll figure out, you're right, it is better to use postfix and configure it correctly |
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| 17:37.49 | marcelfox | greycat: thans a lot |
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| 17:44.51 | simonlnu | !ops bxobx spamming in /notice |
| 17:44.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: simonlnu complains about: bxobx spamming in /notice |
| 17:45.13 | greycat | What do you expect us to do about it? |
| 17:45.16 | abrotman | already parted |
| 17:45.36 | abrotman | it was in the channel when it did that, and has now gone |
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| 17:45.48 | simonlnu | ok |
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| 17:46.00 | greycat | Ah, it came back. |
| 17:46.14 | greycat | go for it, abrotman |
| 17:46.15 | xai | Why people do that? |
| 17:46.25 | sypher | Pain train's coming! |
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| 17:46.40 | simonlnu | lack of sexual satisfaction i suppose. |
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| 17:47.52 | simonlnu | ... |
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| 17:48.08 | abrotman | seriously .. |
| 17:48.32 | greycat | What does "the main channel" mean? |
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| 17:48.50 | abrotman | it's spam ... |
| 17:48.55 | xai | greycat: Seems to be an auto-join channel |
| 17:49.47 | simonlnu | my channel filtering is too aggressive, i miss some stuff. |
| 17:49.47 | simonlnu | goes to fix it |
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| 17:51.51 | GooseYArd | if I'm using reprepro to manage a repo that includes several dists, what is the correct way to add a noarch deb to all the dists? |
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| 17:53.05 | greycat | *sigh* |
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| 17:53.20 | abrotman | hopes he did that right .. |
| 17:53.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | registered? |
| 17:53.40 | greycat | Does that block /notice spam, or only public msg? |
| 17:53.51 | dax | +r redirects unregistered users to #debian-overflow |
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| 17:54.34 | greycat | Oh dear gods, someone fucking MOBILE-ified the freenode web page. |
| 17:54.39 | hesperaux | Hello. I am trying to figure out how to mount an NBD as my rootfs. I have searched the internet for hours looking for documentation on what arguments should be provided to the kernel. The most I could find were some distro-specific notes that don't seem to work. Can anyone help me with NBD? |
| 17:54.47 | abrotman | greycat: right, I can't find a damn thing |
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| 17:54.50 | greycat | God damn it, I want the old web back. |
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| 17:55.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | mosaic as browser and static menu structures? |
| 17:56.07 | greycat | FAQs and actual helpful information instead of VAST SEAS OF WHITE BACKGROUND WITH THREE OVERSIZED BUTTONS that do nothing you want to do. |
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| 17:56.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | jajja... like the good old geocities... so informative :P |
| 17:57.30 | simonlnu | has a kernel update |
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| 17:58.41 | greycat | 13:58 #freenode Cannot send to channel |
| 17:58.44 | greycat | Christ. |
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| 18:00.15 | abrotman | greycat: it will voice you in a bit |
| 18:00.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | or christ will turn up as the savior |
| 18:00.33 | greycat | 14:00 +Fuchs> greycat: I wrote it, but the article got removed, so for now you need /quote help cmode |
| 18:01.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hesperaux, probably with good reason... I guess you mean nbd as in nbd-client |
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| 18:01.30 | hesperaux | CutMeOwnThroat, no, I mean kernel support for booting from NBD |
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| 18:01.59 | hesperaux | nbd-client works - I've tested that. I have seen evidence that linux supports networked root filesystems on an nbd server |
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| 18:03.18 | xai | cannot get what is "kernel support of booting from NBD". To boot from NBD, system may mount it (while running initrd) to somewhere and make pivot_root() to it. |
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| 18:03.48 | hesperaux | hmm, so you're saying I have to install nbd-client into an initrd? |
| 18:03.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I thought |
| 18:04.08 | hesperaux | I see. That wasn't clear to me, but I guess it makes sense |
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| 18:04.15 | hesperaux | I have no idea how to accomplish that...sigh |
| 18:04.15 | xai | hesperaux: I didn't solve you task ever. But, yes |
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| 18:04.28 | xai | Also you can load initrd via PXE if you don't want to have local HDD |
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| 18:04.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, that is pretty common |
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| 18:05.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | and as there are nfs root filesystems, too, there's probably a way |
| 18:05.07 | hesperaux | xai, the host that's booting is a raspberry pi. At the moment, the kernel and DTB are pushed from TFTP through DHCP. I don't have PXE capability, I'm using u-boot |
| 18:05.11 | xai | hesperaux: And, also, you can talk with "lupine" (in this IRC network), he even developed own implementation of NBD |
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| 18:05.29 | hesperaux | xai, thanks for the tip |
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| 18:06.03 | xai | hesperaux: BTW, sorry for question, by why NBD? |
| 18:06.10 | xai | What is the initial task? |
| 18:06.19 | xai | * but why |
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| 18:06.53 | xai | You can do not answer) |
| 18:07.08 | hesperaux | xai, the reason for NBD is that NFS can't work from a windows host. There is a windows host running tftp, dhcpd, and nbd server right now. If I host the root fs on a windows filesystem, I expect there will be issues with symlinks and stuff (I actually tried it but it couldn't run init) |
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| 18:07.33 | hesperaux | I looked into possible ways to boot from NFS from windows and came up with nothing helpful for this use case... |
| 18:07.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... ndb is something like srp, but using tcp with all its shortcomings? |
| 18:07.47 | hesperaux | CutMeOwnThroat, I don't know. Haven't heard of srp |
| 18:08.09 | hesperaux | I was aiming for something like dm-nfs, but that's oracle specific |
| 18:08.22 | xai | CutMeOwnThroat: SRP is over RDMA |
| 18:08.32 | hesperaux | the goal is not to boot the raspberry pi off of the SD card because it can become corrupted. I haven't determined if NBD even solves that problem... |
| 18:08.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, to be fair, you could have said what ndp is, I hadn't heard of that... and srp at least has a wiki page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCSI_RDMA_Protocol |
| 18:08.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | xai, indeed |
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| 18:09.43 | hesperaux | Don't think the Raspi has a NIC capable of SRP, by the looks of the wiki |
| 18:09.47 | xai | hesperaux: I use iSCSI for block device export if over IP. |
| 18:10.08 | hesperaux | xai, can I do that from windows 7 pro? |
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| 18:10.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... rdma pretty much has to has infiniband, which means srp pretty much has to have it |
| 18:10.57 | xai | hesperaux: I don't know. Don't use windows since ~2003 =\ |
| 18:11.14 | hesperaux | heh, understood |
| 18:11.25 | hesperaux | I don't have a choice in this case - the host machine must be windows |
| 18:11.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I find the plethora of protocols around infiniband confusing... |
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| 18:12.07 | xai | CutMeOwnThroat: BTW, we failed to setup NFS over RDMA. Did you try it? |
| 18:12.17 | hesperaux | The underlyiing problem I'm trying to solve is: the raspbery pi SD card can become corrupted with sudden power loss. Want to avoid that possibility because sudden power loss is almost guaranteed. |
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| 18:13.29 | xai | hesperaux: SD card is corrupted or just FS? |
| 18:13.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | xai, that bit was already set up, we didn't do anything... but I'm not sure which protocol layers are between the nfs and the ib fabric... but seems it goes over TCPoIB, not rdma |
| 18:14.10 | hesperaux | xai, I'm not sure which - from the sound of it online, the SD card, due to the SDIO interface losing power suddenly. But it might just be the FS. |
| 18:14.29 | xai | CutMeOwnThroat: I see. |
| 18:14.45 | xai | hesperaux: May be you just need to mount it read-only? |
| 18:15.12 | hesperaux | Can I do that with a typical raspbian installation? Mount root as ro? |
| 18:15.21 | greycat | !raspbian |
| 18:15.21 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 18:15.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should ask #raspian that... |
| 18:15.32 | hesperaux | sigh |
| 18:15.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmp |
| 18:15.36 | hesperaux | off I go |
| 18:16.29 | xai | hesperaux: Well, why not? But /me also thinks that the question is for #raspian |
| 18:16.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, logs wouldn't get written... |
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| 18:17.24 | xai | hesperaux: Also if the problem is with SD-card (not FS), then some Pi's like BananaPi has integrated MMC. They may have another behaviour. But it's a wild guess, of course. |
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| 18:17.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Banana! |
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| 18:18.33 | hesperaux | xai, i'll consider that too |
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| 18:43.16 | ewew | Hi. Does strace alter the enviroment for command su ? The problem is if i use strace su and have /etc/pam.d wit permisions 750. If using only su this problem does not arise and logs do not contain error messages. |
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| 18:43.44 | greycat | And the errors say...? |
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| 18:44.44 | Wulf | ewew: strace with su means that su does not run as root |
| 18:45.02 | ewew | with strace pam_start error 26. other lines say something abou cannot open certain file. |
| 18:45.18 | greycat | Because "permission denied"? |
| 18:45.55 | ewew | but if i run it without strace then it works without a error. |
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| 18:46.05 | monod | Hi. I think I did break NetworkManager while trying to configure wpa_supplicant to connect to a WPA2 PEAP MSCHAPV2 server. (fyi: EduRoam...) I'm not a linux newbie, I know about managed mode and /etc/network/interfaces. Can you help me undo the configs that I've set up and make NetworkManager work again? |
| 18:46.50 | ewew | ok. then the statement is true about altering the enviroment for su by strace. |
| 18:47.13 | greycat | if what Wulf says is correct, then it's not so much "the environment" as suppressing the setuid bit |
| 18:47.39 | greycat | In which case you should use su first, THEN strace. |
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| 18:49.39 | ewew | my reason using strace on su is to get data if the setup of permisions for /etc/pam.d/ can be used. |
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| 18:54.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ewew, you can only use strace on su if you call su as root |
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| 18:55.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | or any setuid program |
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| 18:56.21 | ewew | One more question. Is pam running as root every time it get invoked ? |
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| 18:57.31 | greycat | It's not a program. It's a library. So its code is executed by whatever program is performing PAM-stuff at the moment, which will usually be something running as root so that it can read /etc/shadow and so on. |
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| 18:57.55 | greycat | I suppose some things may merely be setgid shadow |
| 18:57.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | it could drop privileges |
| 18:58.33 | vlt | Hello. Any idea why a Debian 8 machineâs clock with running ntp would slow down several minutes a day? |
| 18:58.36 | greycat | It would have to drop privileges after doing the authentication, or split itself into multiple tasks of varying privileges, at least one of which can still read the shadow file or whatever is needed. |
| 18:59.11 | greycat | vlt: If the clock is that broken, even NTP won't be able to tame it. |
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| 19:00.07 | vlt | greycat: What part of the system would have to be broken to slow down the system time? |
| 19:00.19 | vlt | greycat: The kernel? |
| 19:00.48 | greycat | The motherboard. |
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| 19:02.17 | cruncher | vlt, most probably you didnt set the hardware clock correctly |
| 19:02.22 | jgornick | Hey folks, is it true that ifup will always return an exit code of 0 even if a if-pre-up.d script returns with a non-zero exit code? |
| 19:02.42 | monod | OK I uninstalled NetworkManager. But I was going to "redownload it". Yet I don't have a working ocnnection now |
| 19:03.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems we have a pam_exe script and that does indeed run as root, because it has to chown the directory to the user |
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| 19:04.31 | vlt | cruncher: `hwclock` clock is only off a few seconds, while `date` several minutes. |
| 19:04.37 | cruncher | monod, you probably still have the deb files in your cache directory, so you dont need to redownload it, just reinstall then |
| 19:04.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | vlt, adjtimex? |
| 19:05.12 | vlt | CutMeOwnThroat: no such command |
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| 19:05.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | not every package is installed |
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| 19:05.58 | ewew | will hel hwclock -s ? |
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| 19:06.03 | ewew | *help |
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| 19:07.04 | cruncher | vlt, then it seems that ntp is setting the time wrong? |
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| 19:07.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | this sounds like a job for adjtimex... a big systematic drift, that is.... |
| 19:07.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | cruncher, how can that even be |
| 19:07.40 | cruncher | indeed, it is strange |
| 19:07.45 | cruncher | but if the hardware clock time is correct, then you shouldnt worry about your motherboard |
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| 19:08.12 | vlt | cruncher: Everytime I restart ntpd the time is set perfectly correct but then slowly looses minutes. |
| 19:08.29 | cruncher | how slowly? |
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| 19:08.47 | vlt | cruncher: Like 3 minutes a day |
| 19:08.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, still sounds like you just want to set ADJ_FREQUENCY |
| 19:09.46 | cruncher | adjtimex sounds like a reasonable way to adjust the problem |
| 19:09.52 | cruncher | like CutMeOwnThroat said |
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| 19:10.37 | cruncher | vlt, and when it looses those 3 minutes, does the hwclock stil lshow the correct time? |
| 19:11.02 | vlt | Ok, Iâll try this. The problem is I still donât understand the reason. I have had a lot of Debian systems and never exoerienced something liek this. |
| 19:11.28 | vlt | cruncher: Yes, hwclock is quite correct. |
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| 19:11.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, how does the linux system keep the time? |
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| 19:12.49 | greycat | can't even figure out where ntpd is logging :( |
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| 19:13.36 | vlt | CutMeOwnThroat: Using ntp? |
| 19:13.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, the normal system clock |
| 19:14.27 | ironpillow | hi all, when I do `ping google.com` it shows `64 bytes from sfo07s13-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.194.174): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=4.08 ms` what is the `sfo07s13-in-f14.1e100.net` ? |
| 19:14.27 | vlt | I thought is was ntpdâs responsibility to keep the system time. |
| 19:14.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | it's a hostname. |
| 19:14.55 | greycat | No, it's ntpd's responsibilty to monitor the system time and compare it against its known servers and advise the kernel "Hey, you need to speed up a bit" or "... slow down a bit" |
| 19:14.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, maybe because it isn't in the default config? |
| 19:15.04 | vlt | ironpillow: Itâs the reverse resolved hostname of that IP. |
| 19:15.43 | ironpillow | vlt: oh...cool. did not know that. thanks! |
| 19:15.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, you are right... ntp actually does do the job of adjtimex, but automated by comparing with remote hosts |
| 19:15.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | 1e100 = 1 googol |
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| 19:16.22 | vlt | TIL |
| 19:16.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | 1e(1e100) = 1 googolplex |
| 19:17.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | and now you understand the math joke behind the company name as well as their corporate headquarters' name. |
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| 19:17.48 | ironpillow | yeah :) |
| 19:17.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | vlt, no, first, there is a kernel clock, which just counts something... basically uses a multiplier to the system frequency to measure time... that has an error that ntp then corrects... and greycat guessed the drift is just too big to correct for |
| 19:18.06 | Slimmy | heya guys. I am trying to capture packets using wireshark. However whenever I open it, it displays no interfaces. Why is that? Thanks in advance :) |
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| 19:18.21 | cruncher | vlt, see into man page of hwlock, as it has a --update-drift option. But maybe you want to set first the correct time with the --hctosys parameter |
| 19:18.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I'd also say it's either that or you cannot reach the ntp servers... but as you say the time is set perfectly when you restart ntpd... |
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| 19:19.04 | Slimmy | Running as root I will see the interfaces forgot to mention |
| 19:19.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Slimmy, you're not root? |
| 19:19.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... well... what did you expect? |
| 19:20.01 | Slimmy | CutMeOwnThroat: There is no way to capture without being root? |
| 19:20.07 | greycat | *duh* |
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| 19:20.44 | vlt | 70 seconds ago I restarted ntpd, ran `hwclock --systohc` and then `hwclock; date`. The result: Thu Jun 9 21:19:34 2016 -0.981941 seconds \n Thu Jun 9 21:19:34 CEST 2016 |
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| 19:21.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Slimmy, you could give the process CAP_NET_RAW (and possibly CAP_NET_ADMIN) read man 7 capabilities |
| 19:22.15 | Slimmy | CutMeOwnThroat: Ok bud. ty |
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| 19:23.12 | jelly | Slimmy: read /usr/share/doc/wireshark/README.Debian |
| 19:23.26 | greycat | So, uh, ntpd(8) says "The default is the system log file". Does that mean it calls syslog(3)? Which facility/level? Where's the info going? Or isn't there any? |
| 19:23.57 | Slimmy | jelly: Reading the man page CutMeOwnThroat suggested and I will do as you suggested right after. Thanks |
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| 19:24.42 | greycat | Ah, this other machine has some ntpd lines in daemon.log.1. Maybe the home box has simply been up so long that the ntpd lines have rotated out of the /var/log directory completely? |
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| 19:25.11 | xroldx | Hello Wordk |
| 19:25.15 | xroldx | World |
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| 19:27.25 | Slimmy | xrolfx: printf("Hey") |
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| 19:29.33 | cyphix | when I run apt-get ugprade, I get the list of the packages available for upgrade. Is is possible to present them with the old/new version number? |
| 19:30.32 | cyphix | nevermind, found it :) |
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| 19:30.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | cyphix, apt-get upgrade --dry-run? |
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| 19:31.02 | greycat | cyphix: that, or --print-uris |
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| 19:31.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, but that doesn't actually show the old version of the removed packages |
| 19:31.39 | H4ndy | apt list --upgradable --all-versions |
| 19:31.47 | xroldx | can samebody help ? |
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| 19:32.11 | cyphix | apt-get -V upgrade just did what I wanted |
| 19:32.11 | xroldx | I have a trouble with my wifi adapter on my notebook |
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| 19:32.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... using the ncurses interface of aptitude, it actually shows you both versions |
| 19:33.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | only mine were truncated for the package I'd need to upgrade, so they looked the same |
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| 19:34.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | H4ndy, that's a good one... but I find it hard to believe only the new apt command can do that |
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| 19:36.20 | awwal | How to drag the mouse pointer from monitor 1 to monitor 2 and vece-versa using keyboard bcoz of focusing reason? |
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| 19:36.55 | awwal | vice versa ^ |
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| 19:37.20 | xroldx | hi anyone can help me ? |
| 19:37.23 | calebwill | xroldx: i'm sure someone can help you, but you'll need to provide mode details about the problem, what you've tried etc. |
| 19:37.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | xroldx, only if you describe the problem |
| 19:37.39 | xroldx | ok |
| 19:37.40 | cruncher | !ask |
| 19:37.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:37.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | so far it sounds like you tell your wifi to cook coffee, but it refuses to do so |
| 19:38.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | xroldx, have you installed the non-free firmware for it? |
| 19:38.18 | cruncher | awwal, do you want a command line solution? |
| 19:38.24 | xroldx | ookk sorry, i'am new in this world |
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| 19:38.35 | xroldx | i follow this steps |
| 19:38.39 | H4ndy | CutMeOwnThroat: not sure, I am only using apt by now. apt upgrade -V seems close to it |
| 19:38.42 | xroldx | https://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 |
| 19:39.41 | monod | Hello. No NetworkManager present in the system. How do I connect to internet now? |
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| 19:39.56 | monod | ifup eht0 says "unknown interface" o.O |
| 19:40.22 | monod | ah sure, because it's not in interfaces files |
| 19:40.26 | monod | file* |
| 19:40.50 | rnd_ | monod: eht0 indeed does not exist, try eth0 |
| 19:41.03 | xroldx | when I use the ping command, google site it returns me the normal command, but when I access a web page, it stops pinging |
| 19:41.20 | H4ndy | CutMeOwnThroat: * apt-get upgrade -V |
| 19:41.30 | monod | rnd_ ifup eth0 => same message |
| 19:41.43 | H4ndy | CutMeOwnThroat: but I don't see a reason not to use the new "apt" command, it's nice |
| 19:42.01 | awwal | cruncher, no clue, but anything is welcome. alt+tab does the trick but wondering if the is something more efficient |
| 19:42.13 | awwal | if there is ^ |
| 19:42.20 | xroldx | CutMeOwnThroat, yes |
| 19:42.46 | rnd_ | sec |
| 19:42.52 | cruncher | awwal, well, you can use xdotool mousemove x y, just make the x long enough for the pointer to show up on the 2nd monitor |
| 19:43.01 | rnd_ | monod: try iwconfig |
| 19:43.11 | cruncher | if i understood you correctly and that is a solution |
| 19:43.38 | monod | rnd_ ok |
| 19:43.47 | calebwill | xroldx: i don't understand. you are able to ping, but you cannot load websites? |
| 19:43.56 | monod | rnd_ ifconfig *, :) |
| 19:44.04 | monod | (eth0) |
| 19:44.33 | cruncher | awwal, but i doubt that would be more efficient than alt+tab, unless you bind it to some key maybe |
| 19:44.49 | greycat | calebwill: sounded to me like any serious data transfers (web pages) cause the interface to stop working completely |
| 19:45.01 | rnd_ | monod: iwconfig is there an eth0 interface? anyway how are you connected to the net? and whats the exact problem? |
| 19:45.05 | greycat | granted, we could use a little more clarity in his description |
| 19:45.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | H4ndy, well... I see one... habit! |
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| 19:45.23 | xroldx | calebwill, yes |
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| 19:45.40 | l0xas | I s debian 9 ready? |
| 19:45.44 | greycat | no |
| 19:45.45 | xroldx | i'm not home right now |
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| 19:46.00 | calebwill | xroldx: not home means you cannot troubleshoot it? |
| 19:46.02 | H4ndy | ah well, I migrated quickly to it :D But I guess the -V switch is the best option you got for apt-get |
| 19:46.09 | xroldx | calebwill, i'm not home right now |
| 19:46.25 | monod | rnd_ I uninstalled NetworkManager :( I'm from another computer right now, the other one being right next to me |
| 19:46.34 | awwal | cruncher, I heard about xdotool but never used it. ok, i will look at that utility and check how i can make it do what I want to do. Of course I'll have to makve xdotool do that via keyboard shortcut, not opening a terminal and run X command just bcoz of mouse pointer, hehehe. |
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| 19:47.01 | rnd_ | monod: service networking status |
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| 19:47.34 | xroldx | but, i was use linux mint and the wifi working normal |
| 19:47.41 | calebwill | xroldx: perhaps you should come back when you're ready to work on it |
| 19:47.46 | xroldx | sorry for my poor English |
| 19:47.52 | xroldx | ok |
| 19:48.06 | xroldx | calebwill, ok |
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| 19:49.22 | xroldx | when i get home, collect the maximum information that can |
| 19:50.41 | monod | rnd_ what should I look for? |
| 19:50.43 | greycat | If it worked under mint, then you probably just need to install nonfree firmware, or *maybe* upgrade kernel, but that's more of a last restort unless you know your particular hardware requires it. |
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| 19:51.21 | rnd_ | what does it says when you do status of networking? |
| 19:51.27 | rnd_ | are you using gnome? |
| 19:51.47 | rnd_ | apt-get install network-manager network-manager-gnome |
| 19:52.05 | rnd_ | *if you unistalled netoworkmanager* |
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| 19:52.40 | xroldx | rnd_, gnome 3, it connects to the network |
| 19:53.25 | rnd_ | xroldx: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 19:53.54 | monod | rnd_ 'service networking status' shows a screenful of things :/ 'apt-get install network-manager ' results in "E: Unable to fetch from archives" |
| 19:54.01 | xroldx | but when i try open a, ex: google.com.br it stops ping and not open google |
| 19:54.28 | xroldx | rnd_, sorry man, i'm at home right now |
| 19:54.31 | xroldx | =( |
| 19:54.58 | rnd_ | monod: go into your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:55.07 | monod | rnd_ Ok sir |
| 19:55.09 | rnd_ | and remove or comment E; |
| 19:55.16 | rnd_ | it is trying to download from your CD-ROM |
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| 19:55.21 | monod | wow |
| 19:55.37 | greycat | wouldn't it have prompted for the CD to be inserted? |
| 19:56.04 | greycat | usually it's pretty obvious |
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| 19:56.09 | monod | now that I look, there are some 'deb cdrom: ' lines, but they already are commented |
| 19:56.10 | calebwill | rnd_: monod: if the computer is not currently connected to any network, apt won't be able to install packages from network mirrors. is plugging the computer into an ethernet cable an option? |
| 19:56.36 | monod | calebwill, plugged the cable, but don't know how to use it, NetworkManager is not present in the system :( |
| 19:56.45 | monod | I recall it being possible to use ifconfig |
| 19:57.00 | monod | maybe I could find the syntax on internet and try |
| 19:57.22 | rnd_ | have you tried to reboot the system |
| 19:57.49 | monod | rnd_, yeah, many times |
| 19:57.58 | monod | needless to say, didn't solve |
| 19:58.03 | monod | was it a joke? :) |
| 19:58.05 | rnd_ | dpkg -l | grep network |
| 19:58.06 | dpkg | ii | grep network 1.9-1.3 rnd_'s private gamp collection |
| 19:58.08 | calebwill | monod: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration but you may want to remove the stanzas from /etc/network/interfaces after you get NetworkManager installed if that's what you want to use |
| 19:58.09 | greycat | Am I the only one who thinks this whole situation where "Network is configured in /etc/network/interfaces, unless you installed network-manager, then it's ..., or unless you did some crap in systemd, then it's ...." is a fucking disaster? |
| 19:58.41 | rnd_ | he did some deep sh*t or something obvious like unplugged the cable... |
| 19:59.16 | rnd_ | or maybe he deleted the realtek firmware for the ethernet |
| 19:59.27 | rnd_ | god knows... |
| 19:59.43 | monod | greycat :D calebwill: I wanted to configure wpa2 for use with eduroam (PEAP TTLS MSCHAPV2), but could only do with wpa_supplicant --parameters |
| 19:59.52 | xroldx | Well |
| 19:59.57 | xroldx | bye guys |
| 20:00.03 | xroldx | thks for the help |
| 20:00.08 | monod | wanted to do it with networkmanager, but I used a couple ifup/ifdown and NetworkManager stopped working |
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| 20:00.35 | xroldx | I apologize for anything |
| 20:00.38 | monod | going to try that link you wrote |
| 20:00.47 | monod | have a good day xroldx |
| 20:00.49 | rnd_ | ifconfic eth0 up? |
| 20:00.55 | rnd_ | config* |
| 20:01.01 | monod | works, in that it doesn't return strange messages |
| 20:01.07 | xroldx | later I return with the problems at hand |
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| 20:01.27 | monod | but can I ping some website? No, I can't |
| 20:01.33 | rnd_ | and what about the dpkg -l | grep network output, do you have netowk manager? |
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| 20:01.39 | xroldx | thks monod you too |
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| 20:02.12 | monod | rnd_, rc network-manager 0.9.10.0-7 |
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| 20:04.20 | monod | calebwill, I ended up writing 'auto eht0' and 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' in interfaces file |
| 20:04.42 | monod | doing now a 'service networking restart' |
| 20:04.51 | monod | it's taking ages o.o |
| 20:05.04 | calebwill | monod: "service networking restart" is deprecated, use "ifup eth0" |
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| 20:05.17 | monod | oh ok |
| 20:05.31 | monod | 'ifup: interface eth0 already configured' |
| 20:05.48 | calebwill | monod: "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" |
| 20:05.55 | rnd_ | dhclient eth0 |
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| 20:06.12 | monod | heh, which one? :D calebwill's or rnd_ first? |
| 20:06.26 | rnd_ | it is logical |
| 20:06.34 | monod | ooh ok |
| 20:06.38 | rnd_ | your eth0 must be up |
| 20:06.39 | monod | ifup first |
| 20:06.40 | rnd_ | first |
| 20:06.41 | monod | ok |
| 20:06.54 | monod | <3 <3 <3 |
| 20:06.56 | monod | seems to work |
| 20:07.11 | rnd_ | ^^ |
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| 20:07.33 | monod | dhclient eth0 => 'RTNETLINK answers: File exists' |
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| 20:07.53 | greycat | don't run dhclient by hand if you've got dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:08.06 | monod | ùah ok |
| 20:08.15 | monod | by the way, cannot ping anyone yet |
| 20:08.26 | greycat | Then why did you say "seems to work"? |
| 20:08.26 | rnd_ | is eth0 up? |
| 20:08.54 | monod | because of 'renewal in 10247 seconds' |
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| 20:09.02 | monod | from last ifup eth0 |
| 20:09.12 | monod | oh wow |
| 20:09.14 | monod | internet works |
| 20:09.16 | monod | on eth0 |
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| 20:09.22 | monod | ping doesn't, >D |
| 20:09.24 | monod | :D* |
| 20:09.31 | rnd_ | change dns |
| 20:09.48 | greycat | What is "internet", then? And what ping command are you doing? What's working? What's not? On what's not working, what is the error? |
| 20:10.13 | rnd_ | I think the box is up, just dis-configured. ;p |
| 20:10.16 | monod | 'apt-get install network-manager network-manager-gnome' first guys :) |
| 20:10.35 | monod | this is strange. |
| 20:10.56 | monod | "Available: ifupdown (eth0)" |
| 20:11.09 | monod | from NetworkManager's gnome menu |
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| 20:11.34 | rnd_ | lol man... now Iam confused... |
| 20:11.45 | rnd_ | i just thought we had a grip on that |
| 20:11.45 | greycat | I guess he means the apt-get worked. |
| 20:12.03 | rnd_ | hope so |
| 20:12.06 | monod | the only thing I don't understand is why it calls it "ifupdown" |
| 20:12.13 | monod | for the rest, all worked fine |
| 20:12.20 | monod | I just have to try Wi-Fi now |
| 20:12.22 | rnd_ | it hates how you treat him |
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| 20:12.58 | monod | do you think Fedora is easier or harder to use in respect to Debian? |
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| 20:13.04 | monod | what do you think guys? |
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| 20:13.19 | greycat | It's more a question of what you're used to. |
| 20:13.30 | monod | okok |
| 20:13.47 | monod | Now I unplugged the eth cable and wifi is not working :/ |
| 20:14.04 | monod | is there a way to do a fresh reconfiguration of wifi? |
| 20:14.13 | calebwill | monod: now that you have network-manager installed you'll probably want to "ifdown eth0" and remove the stanza from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:14.30 | monod | ahhh right calebwill, thanks for reminding me |
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| 20:14.47 | calebwill | monod: does network-manager give you an error? errors are how we know what went wrong. |
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| 20:16.10 | monod | uhm, I did smoething wrong now |
| 20:16.51 | monod | I removed the stanza before 'ifdown eth0'. => 'unknown interface eth0=eth0' |
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| 20:17.23 | monod | then I put the stanza back in and did 'ifdown eth0' => 'eth0 not configured' |
| 20:18.05 | monod | and now 'ifup eth0' took a long time before completing |
| 20:18.17 | monod | if I give again 'ifup eth0', it says "already configured" now |
| 20:18.40 | monod | so I *now* do 'ifdown' and *then* remove the stanza |
| 20:18.50 | monod | is going to |
| 20:18.54 | calebwill | monod: can you show us what your /etc/network/interfaces file looks like on http://paste.debian.net/ ? |
| 20:19.08 | greycat | I think he has changed it at least 3 times in the last 30 seconds. |
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| 20:19.37 | monod | connection does not work again, calebwill :/ |
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| 20:20.10 | monod | okokok, 'ifdown eth0' did not complain about anything |
| 20:20.19 | monod | time to remove the stanza, ok? :D |
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| 20:21.51 | monod | problems with rfkill now! |
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| 20:22.03 | monod | the hardware switch doesn't give any sign of life |
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| 20:22.26 | monod | could 'systemd-rfkill' be of any help? |
| 20:22.53 | AlexLikeRock | systemd = garbage |
| 20:23.07 | monod | nice to know :( |
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| 20:23.43 | monod | 'rfkill: command not found' :( |
| 20:23.54 | greycat | I do my very best to avoid using any part of systemd other than the part that launches and monitors daemons. |
| 20:24.22 | calebwill | AlexLikeRock: it's not garbage, it's just new and people get emotional about change. it's also not relevant to the situation |
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| 20:24.43 | calebwill | monod: you need to slow down and talk through what you're going to do, then do it. nobody here knows what is going on |
| 20:25.07 | monod | magic! |
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| 20:25.41 | AlexLikeRock | systemd are NOT FREE SOFTWARE, calebwill |
| 20:25.41 | monod | '/etc/init.d/networking restart' and '/etc/init.d/network-manager restart' made my cable connection work again! :D |
| 20:25.48 | teraflops | AlexLikeRock: lol |
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| 20:26.02 | AlexLikeRock | of course teraflops ;-) |
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| 20:26.31 | teraflops | AlexLikeRock: yeah stop downloading torrents then we can talk about free sw |
| 20:26.46 | monod | Ok, now I'm installing rfkill |
| 20:26.51 | monod | to unlock the hw switch |
| 20:26.54 | monod | good/bad idea? |
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| 20:27.38 | calebwill | monod: we don't know what prompted your need to install rfkill, all you said is "problems with rfkill now!" |
| 20:28.04 | monod | ah right |
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| 20:28.46 | monod | now that I installed rfkill, anyway... I notice that either the sw block or the hw one is always 'yes' |
| 20:28.50 | AlexLikeRock | teraflops, -.-, shut up ! |
| 20:28.56 | AlexLikeRock | its different |
| 20:29.21 | monod | I suppose that: hw block is the keyboard shortcut Fn + F3; and sw block is something like 'ifup wlan0' ? |
| 20:29.39 | monod | (which of course couldn't work because no wlan0 config in interfaces file) |
| 20:29.45 | monod | are you with me calebwill ? |
| 20:30.10 | calebwill | monod: rfkill has nothing to do with ifupdown and the /e/n/interfaces file |
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| 20:30.34 | monod | ah ok |
| 20:30.59 | monod | can we start back from "how to make wlan0 work" now then? :) |
| 20:31.09 | monod | eth0 works, managed by NM now |
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| 20:32.05 | mutante | sometimes it sounds like all those manager tools start out to make stuff easier and later they cause new trouble |
| 20:32.06 | calebwill | monod: do you have a WPS2-Personal network you can connect to? I bet that works |
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| 20:32.25 | monod | I do have one available, yea |
| 20:32.32 | monod | so, I unplug the cable and... |
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| 20:32.55 | monod | in NetworkManager's gnome applet, it says "Wi-Fi is disabled" |
| 20:33.00 | monod | as if it was not being managed |
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| 20:34.17 | calebwill | monod: NetworkManager on Debian by default ignores interfaces defined in /e/n/interfaces (and it would way unmanaged). Wifi is disabled is a different thing, either it is disabled with a switch/key combo, or rfkill. NetworkManager can probably enable wifi by itself |
| 20:34.22 | zykotick9 | monod: note, i know N-M will give a message like "not managed" when /etc/network/interfaces is being used... |
| 20:34.39 | calebwill | s/way/say/ |
| 20:35.06 | monod | you're both right |
| 20:35.18 | monod | I recall the "not managed" too |
| 20:35.46 | monod | I managed to get rfkill unblocked now, so I'm going to /etc/init.d/{networking,network-manager} restart now |
| 20:36.04 | teraflops | Wat |
| 20:36.30 | calebwill | monod: why do you keep restarting the networking script? since Debian 6 you're not really supposed to do this, and it really only has any effect on stuff defined in /e/n/interfaces |
| 20:36.56 | monod | because I didn't really know :/ and of course WiFi is still disabled according to N-M |
| 20:37.03 | monod | I'm all ears :) |
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| 20:37.39 | calebwill | monod: basically the only thing /etc/init.d/networking is there to do is bring up interfaces at boot, just leave it alone now :) |
| 20:37.58 | monod | Ok, will do! |
| 20:38.06 | NoImNotNineVolt | is there documentation for dh-systemd? |
| 20:38.16 | calebwill | monod: the N-M gui doesn't have an option to enable the wifi? you have no hardware switch or keyboard shortcut on the computer to enable/disable wifi? |
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| 20:39.08 | monod | oh jesus, forgot to check "Enable WiFi" |
| 20:39.09 | monod | ahahah |
| 20:39.16 | monod | sorry for my distraction |
| 20:39.28 | monod | maaaany kudos |
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| 20:40.13 | calebwill | monod: so at this point you should 1) test if N-M can connect to a more common WPA2-Personal network. 2) tell us the exact error you get when you connect to the eduroam PEAP/MSCHAPv2 network |
| 20:40.35 | monod | you read my mind calebwill, I was going to say: Ok, can I now ask how can I configure a special WiFi connection that uses WPA2-Enterprise PEAP TTLS MSCHAPV2? |
| 20:40.45 | monod | WPA2 connects just fine now |
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| 20:41.07 | calebwill | monod: also next time you're having a problem with a service like N-M, stop/disable it for troubleshooting before you uninstall it :) |
| 20:41.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | anyone? is there any documentation for dh-systemd? there's no man page, and there's nothing in the repo... |
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| 20:41.40 | monod | calebwill, the prob with eduroam was that when I try and load a ca-cert, the OK button keeps being grey |
| 20:41.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | do i need to harass people on oftc to get information, or is there a document somewhere that i can refer to? |
| 20:41.56 | ryouma | is there a log, or a signal sent on say on the ddc/ci (i2c bus), when the monitor is turned off? i'd like to detect monitor on/off without polling. i'm aware that i can poll every 5m using xset -q, and that is my fallback if i don't get an answer. |
| 20:42.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | or should i just do everything explicitly in postinst, etc |
| 20:42.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | and disregard the debhelper. |
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| 20:42.39 | ryouma | my other fallback is an idle timer -- recommendations for debian idle timers? |
| 20:42.40 | c0mrade | I am thinking of starting my own hosting business. What should I take into consideration and how should this happen if someone has experience? |
| 20:44.56 | calebwill | NoImNotNineVolt: "dpkg -L dh-systemd" lists a couple of man pages. If you're working on a package to include in Debian you could ask on #debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 20:46.28 | calebwill | monod: you could try editing the file for the connection in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections. |
| 20:46.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | calebwill: better than what i had, thanks. |
| 20:46.44 | monod | ahhh ok |
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| 20:46.58 | monod | so I should research what the correct parameters are to be put in that cfg file |
| 20:47.07 | monod | for WPA2 TTLS PEAP MSCHAPV2 |
| 20:47.09 | monod | by hand |
| 20:47.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | though i was hoping for documentation that's a bit more... holistic... |
| 20:47.15 | monod | instead of using the gui for N-M |
| 20:47.28 | calebwill | monod: i don't know what eduroam is but it might be common enough to use as a search term |
| 20:47.48 | monod | didn't find anything unfortunately -_- |
| 20:47.51 | monod | worst day ever |
| 20:48.00 | monod | 8h wasted kind of |
| 20:48.12 | monod | whatever |
| 20:48.32 | calebwill | monod: if it's a custom CA certificate you need to add, you could consider adding it system-wide with the instructions in /usr/share/doc/ca-certificates/README.Debian |
| 20:49.04 | monod | I did add it to /usr/share/ca-certificates/extra/foo.cer |
| 20:49.13 | monod | and dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 20:49.27 | monod | called with "ca-certificate" as parameter iirc |
| 20:49.30 | monod | but whatever |
| 20:49.49 | calebwill | monod: don't put local/manually install stuff in /usr/share/... use /usr/local. See the instructions again |
| 20:49.59 | monod | ah ok |
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| 20:52.02 | calebwill | monod: http://askubuntu.com/questions/449712/use-eduroam-to-connect-to-peap-and-mschapv2 <--- see what it says about system-ca-certs=true. (Not a big fan of "sudo gedit", use vim or nano or something non-X11 when root) |
| 20:52.03 | monod | many thanks again to everyone, I can finally get back to work!! |
| 20:52.15 | calebwill | monod: did you get it working? |
| 20:52.38 | monod | I'll bookmark that link for later, I'm not in range for eduroam at the moment |
| 20:53.02 | calebwill | monod: oh, well good luck |
| 20:53.27 | monod | ^^ |
| 20:53.42 | monod | \(^^)/ |
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| 20:56.03 | monod | I'll quit IRC to cut down on distractions! See you next time! |
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| 21:07.25 | de_puta | Hello! |
| 21:07.36 | ExoUNX | hi |
| 21:07.38 | de_puta | I can't play any movies via VLC or Totem. |
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| 21:08.43 | de_puta | Here's the output running VLC via terminal: https://paste.debian.net/732138/ |
| 21:09.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | so dh-systemd takes debian/*.service and installs them in the proper location? |
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| 21:09.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | is that actually documented somewhere? |
| 21:09.47 | markybob | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.50 | de_puta | Here's for Totem: https://paste.debian.net/732150/ |
| 21:09.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | the man pages included with the dh-systemd package are specific to functions provided by dh-systemd. |
| 21:09.59 | de_puta | ? |
| 21:10.01 | markybob | ,v vlc |
| 21:10.02 | judd | Package: vlc on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2.0.3-5~bpo60+2; wheezy-security: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 2.0.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports: 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.2.1-1~deb8u1; stretch: 2.2.3-2; jessie-security: 2.2.4-1~deb8u1; sid: 2.2.4-1; wheezy-multimedia: |
| 21:10.03 | judd | 1:2.0.6-dmo3+deb7u1; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.2.1-dmo3+deb8u1; sid-multimedia: 1:2.2.4-dmo1 |
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| 21:10.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | but i can't find any holistic documentation about dh-systemd overall. |
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| 21:10.27 | markybob | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:10.33 | de_puta | I'm am using a Debian 8.5 XFCE. |
| 21:10.35 | de_puta | Stable |
| 21:10.41 | de_puta | Nonfree version |
| 21:10.56 | de_puta | It has nonfree firmware support. |
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| 21:11.14 | greycat | Wait... the jessie-security version of vlc is HIGHER than the stretch version? |
| 21:11.27 | naptastic | I'm on sid, and xz is version 5.1.0 beta. Version 5.2.2 has been out since September. Is there a reason there's no update? (I want threads support...) |
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| 21:11.33 | de_puta | ? |
| 21:11.37 | markybob | and wtf did you get this "non-free" vlc? |
| 21:11.42 | greycat | naptastic: file a wishlist bug report |
| 21:11.56 | de_puta | VLC came with XFCE. |
| 21:12.20 | NoImNotNineVolt | < de_puta> It has nonfree firmware support. |
| 21:12.31 | calebwill | NoImNotNineVolt: did you find https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/pkg-systemd/Packaging ? (i'm still amateur at packaging) |
| 21:12.39 | de_puta | Nah I was saying that I'm using Debian Stable that has nonfree firmware support. |
| 21:12.48 | markybob | debian doesn't have non-free vlc. it's in main |
| 21:12.49 | de_puta | Didn't use the netinst on Debian front page. |
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| 21:13.03 | NoImNotNineVolt | i did, but perhaps i should reread it at this point :P |
| 21:13.26 | de_puta | Have you seen the Debian Paste links? |
| 21:13.27 | greycat | markybob: judd just said jessie-security has version 2.2.4 |
| 21:13.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | i've successfully packaged a bunch of things with systemd support... |
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| 21:13.44 | markybob | greycat: i saw that. that's why i asked if he was on stretch |
| 21:13.59 | naptastic | greycat, thanks. I'll try to find if one is already open. |
| 21:14.02 | de_puta | I'm using Stable. |
| 21:14.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | but i'm trying to do something a little more interesting with this package, and for that i need to have a better understanding of what exactly dh --with systemd is doing |
| 21:14.10 | halt | Hi all, I have a generic enough question that I'm not even sure it's relevant here, but as I'm seeking for debian standard solutions I hope it is,so I have a debian server which once a day need to run some BI things, which do a big fat diff, I'm moving the current big fat server to a new small vm as that's enough for the normal usage, BUT the diff run into the "diff: memory exhausted" issue, what is the alternative to diff available in debian ? |
| 21:14.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | that link says it runs dh_systemd_enable and dh_systemd_start at the correct time during build, which makes sense.. |
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| 21:14.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | but it doesn't say that it does anything with debian/*.service files |
| 21:14.58 | NoImNotNineVolt | but _something_ is installing those files, and according to the documentation of those two helpers, it's not the helpers :P |
| 21:15.18 | calebwill | de_puta: does VLC work for a different user or if you move "~/.config/vlc" some place else? What is the story with the nvidia drivers on your systemd, did you switch from proprietary back to nouveau? |
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| 21:16.50 | de_puta | I haven't tweaked any graphics setting, which reminds me. I should probably switch to a nonfree graphics mode? |
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| 21:17.20 | calebwill | halt: BI? also is diff running on one big file, or several files? maybe rsync or git would work better for you depending on what you're doing |
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| 21:18.22 | calebwill | de_puta: https://paste.debian.net/732138/ in your paste, lines 5 and 6 complain about missing libvdpau_nvidia.so. Perhaps you configured VLC to use it? Or maybe this library used to be there? This is why I suggested running VLC as different user or with config dir moved (to test with default settings) |
| 21:19.29 | halt | calebwill: BI in this case Business intelligence, few big files ( ascii dump ) and from the diff we generate SQL not sure how git or rsync whould help |
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| 21:21.20 | awwal | new ---» firefox-esr |
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| 21:22.31 | de_puta | Hi! |
| 21:22.36 | de_puta | Sorry got disconnected. |
| 21:22.44 | de_puta | So yeah, can't play videos with VLC or Totem. |
| 21:23.14 | de_puta | How do I go about this? |
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| 21:23.44 | calebwill | de_puta: https://paste.debian.net/732138/ in your paste, lines 5 and 6 complain about missing libvdpau_nvidia.so. Perhaps you configured VLC to use it? Or maybe this library used to be there? This is why I suggested running VLC as different user or with config dir moved (to test with default settings) |
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| 21:24.28 | de_puta | Would running it as root be ok? |
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| 21:24.36 | de_puta | Don't feel like creating a user? |
| 21:25.01 | naptastic | don't run it as root. That won't help, and it's dangerous. |
| 21:25.02 | calebwill | de_puta: no, don't run GUI stuff as root |
| 21:25.18 | de_puta | Ok |
| 21:25.42 | calebwill | de_puta: if you don't want to create a new user for troubleshooting, move the ~/.config/vlc directory somewhere else |
| 21:25.46 | naptastic | (I saw this a while ago... I think the solution was to install something from experimental... but I don't remember) |
| 21:25.55 | de_puta | Hmm |
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| 21:26.38 | de_puta | Moving didn't work. |
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| 21:27.02 | naptastic | I think there's a package missing. Hang on, I'm trying to find what I found last time... |
| 21:27.22 | de_puta | Ok, thanks a lot! |
| 21:27.22 | calebwill | installing something from experimental is NEVER the solution for debian stable |
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| 21:27.33 | naptastic | oh you're on stable? |
| 21:27.37 | de_puta | Yes |
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| 21:27.43 | naptastic | coughs |
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| 21:28.41 | naptastic | de_puta, does libvdpau_nvidia.so exist anywhere on your system? |
| 21:28.56 | naptastic | (I'm guessing there's a symlink missing.) |
| 21:29.08 | calebwill | de_puta: perhaps you could put "apt-cache policy" in a paste? |
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| 21:30.19 | de_puta | Hold on... |
| 21:30.25 | de_puta | calebwill: https://paste.debian.net/732215/ |
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| 21:36.10 | menace | will icedove rebranded to thunderbird too until stretch is coming out? |
| 21:36.11 | calebwill | de_puta: okay i suspected third-party software. maybe you did something like run an nvidia installer? |
| 21:36.19 | de_puta | Nope |
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| 21:37.04 | Delf | Any reason sources.list doesn't do https? |
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| 21:37.10 | Delf | By default⦠|
| 21:37.19 | rudi_s | Delf: Because the packages are all digitally signed. |
| 21:37.22 | de_puta | Because it's not a website? |
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| 21:37.26 | de_puta | I don't know lol. |
| 21:38.03 | Delf | Digitally signed so there's no need to encrypt the transfer, I see. Because third party cannot modify and sign them |
| 21:38.14 | Delf | thirt party⦠middle man |
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| 21:38.52 | de_puta | Makes sense I guess? |
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| 21:39.21 | rudi_s | Delf: Well, there's (normally) no need to encrypt because the content is public anyway. And the signature ensures the authenticity of the data. |
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| 21:39.26 | calebwill | Delf: the public keys used to verify the signed packages are included on the installation media. The installation media have hashsum files, which are available by https |
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| 21:39.43 | babilen | dpkg: secure apt |
| 21:39.44 | dpkg | [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. The archive signing key can be found at https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html . See also <key>, <no public key>. |
| 21:40.07 | Delf | Thank you :D |
| 21:40.17 | babilen | Read up on secure apt .. |
| 21:40.38 | Delf | will do this |
| 21:41.15 | de_puta | calebwill: You still there? |
| 21:41.20 | babilen | There might be *other* reasons for using https, but you should be safe without it. I guess that you know about apt-transports-https already, but I mention it just in case you don't. |
| 21:42.03 | calebwill | de_puta: yes. i don't really know what your issue is. perhaps you could tell us about the graphics drivers you are using. |
| 21:42.23 | de_puta | What command should I use for that? |
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| 21:43.42 | jhutchins | https doesn't really provide any advantage in the kinds of transactions apt does. It would probably be a (minor) performance hit as well. Better suited by static verification. |
| 21:44.30 | babilen | jhutchins: There might still be good reasons why you would want your traffic between your box and the Debian archive to not be too easily observed |
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| 21:45.07 | calebwill | de_puta: a paste of your /var/log/Xorg.0.log could help. You say you did not install nvidia drivers, but I don't know why VLC is trying to use this nvidia vdpau library |
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| 21:46.12 | jhutchins | babilen: I think anybody with concerns like that would be obfuscation their traffic anyway. |
| 21:47.27 | babilen | One doesn't rule out the other. As I said: There might be *other* reasons [apart from making apt secure] to use https and that is one example |
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| 21:49.07 | jhutchins | I would think that on the scale that the mirrors operate, the overhead of encryption would not be insignificant. |
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| 21:50.16 | menace | could i do apt with x509 client certificates? so only clients with certain certificates have access if i have my own mirror? |
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| 21:55.04 | [Saint] | Does anyone have any experience with, or know of suitable documentation for, making a secure (or in fact any) wireless connection in an early-boot initramfs load? |
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| 21:55.54 | [Saint] | Idea being to not be tied to eth for remote unlocking of a system with full disk encryption. |
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| 21:58.42 | [Saint] | At the moment for the few server/service type boxes we have that are connected using wireless we're using a USB key to automagically unlock the system at boot time if the USB key is present. |
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| 21:59.29 | [Saint] | But the idea of leaving the keys in there isn't one that I particularly admire, and even though the boxes get restarted very infrequently it is still a pain in the tits to go around and plug the boot key in and then boot and decrypt, etc. |
| 22:00.00 | [Saint] | So being able to do it wirelessly from early boot would be ideal, but I can only find solutions to handle doing so on a wired network. |
| 22:00.31 | menace | and how would you avoid replay attacks? O_o |
| 22:01.00 | menace | an usb stick is not an active component. or do you want to install a little AP which authenticates? |
| 22:01.08 | menace | instead of the usb stick? |
| 22:01.21 | [Saint] | right. |
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| 22:01.49 | [Saint] | ie. early boot brings up an AP that would allow for ecryptfs details to be passed. |
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| 22:02.20 | [Saint] | handling trusted clients on the wireless isn't problematic. |
| 22:02.29 | menace | how does the AP know the machine is the right machine and not an impersonator? |
| 22:03.17 | menace | perhaps additional x509 certificates in early boot stage? :D |
| 22:04.19 | [Saint] | it doesn't need to, really. even if by some miracle anyone managed to unlock the full disk encryption they would then be faced with only being able to log in under ssh with a metric fucktonne of prerequisites - key, passphrase, 2fa, user, hostname, MAC, and port-knock-code auth before anything gets through on ssh. |
| 22:04.46 | ironpillow | hi I am installing debian jessie as domU via debootstrap on Xen 4.6. If I have `size=700M` I am getting an error: `[Errno 2] No such file or directory. Error opening /boot/initrd.img- in guest` But when I set size=1G, it starts fine but out of 976M only 59% is used. any ideas? |
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| 22:06.06 | [Saint] | ideally, once I know _how_ to spin up a wireless AP in initramfs early boot, then I can implement server and clients agreeing on a random seed for AP credential generation as well. |
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| 22:06.25 | [Saint] | but I can't for the life of me manage to spin up even a basic wireless connection in early boot. |
| 22:06.42 | [Saint] | does anyone know of any documentation for this? my google-fu fails me. |
| 22:06.49 | menace | perhaps you could use dracut instead of initramfs-tools? |
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| 22:07.13 | menace | some drivers are missing in initramfs-tools as far as i know... |
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| 22:20.47 | aserww | Hey! Is debian Jessie's iceweasel/firefox-esr browser supposed to be now "firefox" (it is in my debian jessie at least)? I thought that it was only rebranded back to firefox in the next version of debian. |
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| 22:24.57 | awwal | aserww, all fine |
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| 22:25.35 | awwal | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 |
| 22:25.36 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/815006 in iceweasel (open): «Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-02-17; last modified: 2016-06-01. |
| 22:26.03 | aserww | awwal, okay. The package page in https://packages.debian.org/jessie/iceweasel seems to be then out of date or is it? |
| 22:26.38 | [Saint] | out of date, no, deprecated, yes. |
| 22:26.57 | awwal | aserww, check the bug ^ all is discussed there |
| 22:27.11 | awwal | also check the changelogs :P |
| 22:27.21 | aserww | I will, thank you! :) |
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| 22:55.19 | aaron83 | hi there, my openvpn server assign same ip to all client..any help please? https://paste.debian.net/732382 |
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| 23:46.49 | _|x|_ | hello. I recently tried to build mesa on my own, and ended up being unable to start x. I then manually reinstalled everything, but now my gl string is only 3.0 and i cant rotate with xrandr. I've done some searching but havent come up with anything helpful |
| 23:46.57 | _|x|_ | does anyone offhand understand this? |
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| 23:48.43 | petn-randall | _|x|_: If you at some point did a 'make install' as root I recommend reinstalling your system. |
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| 23:49.15 | _|x|_ | really? i tracked the installed files and removed them. is that not enough? |
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| 23:50.27 | petn-randall | _|x|_: Obviously you didn't fully succeed. |
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| 23:53.44 | MrBar | hello dudes |
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