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| 00:20.35 | jak2000 | hi all friends... any advice how to install openssh server? |
| 00:20.44 | jak2000 | i try: apt-get install openssh-server |
| 00:20.51 | jak2000 | but not luck not installed (i am root) |
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| 00:21.10 | jak2000 | i have v8 jessie distro |
| 00:21.49 | PatienceZero | you can try apt-cache to search for the actual name of what you're trying to install. Or synaptics is a gui front end which has a good search |
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| 00:22.49 | jak2000 | apt-cache search openssh-server |
| 00:22.50 | jak2000 | ? |
| 00:23.10 | PatienceZero | no try just apt-cache search openssh and pipe to less (or more) |
| 00:23.18 | PatienceZero | there's a lot of results |
| 00:24.03 | PatienceZero | yes it is openssh-server. so have you done sudo apt-get install openssh-server ? |
| 00:24.21 | markybob | jak2000: yes it's openssh-server. if you have a problem with it "not being installed" you need to give more information. pastebin the whole thing and your entire sources.list |
| 00:24.38 | PatienceZero | could it be dependancies? |
| 00:24.44 | jak2000 | apt-get install openssh-server |
| 00:24.46 | markybob | jak2000: also pastebin dpkg -l 'openssh-server' |
| 00:24.59 | markybob | jak2000: no man. i said pastebin the whole thing. |
| 00:25.32 | jak2000 | say me a error: "openssh-server depends libwrap0 |
| 00:25.43 | markybob | jak2000: what don't you get about my pastebin requests? |
| 00:26.09 | jak2000 | markybob in the server (in a terminal) how to copy paste ? in a pastebin? |
| 00:26.12 | jak2000 | cant :( |
| 00:26.18 | markybob | paste.debian.net |
| 00:26.23 | markybob | !pastebinit |
| 00:26.23 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 00:26.37 | markybob | so many options |
| 00:26.42 | PatienceZero | jak2000: you mean you're running the server only version? |
| 00:26.47 | jak2000 | yes |
| 00:26.48 | PatienceZero | i mean console only |
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| 00:26.50 | jak2000 | yes |
| 00:27.00 | jak2000 | i can take a screen shoot |
| 00:27.07 | jak2000 | wait a moment |
| 00:27.13 | markybob | ,v libwrap0 |
| 00:27.15 | judd | Package: libwrap0 on amd64 -- squeeze: 7.6.q-19; wheezy: 7.6.q-24; sid: 7.6.q-25; stretch: 7.6.q-25; jessie: 7.6.q-25 |
| 00:27.28 | PatienceZero | well you can send it out to a text file with > then use links or lynx and upload it to paste.debian.net |
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| 00:27.56 | markybob | don't forget to pastebinit the other things i asked for |
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| 00:29.40 | jak2000 | markybob, PatienceZero: http://postimg.org/image/7nz4ss1f5/ |
| 00:30.56 | PatienceZero | theres some more more going on there |
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| 00:32.11 | jak2000 | markybob, PatienceZero: any advice? |
| 00:32.14 | PatienceZero | im not sure i know how to deal with all the held back packages and such. could be as markybob said an issue with your sources.list (ie where debian is getting the catalog of files) |
| 00:32.36 | jak2000 | ok |
| 00:32.37 | PatienceZero | I k now I've had to deal with packages being held or in limbo using aptitude but I did it manually |
| 00:32.39 | jak2000 | possible |
| 00:32.52 | jak2000 | can anyone sen dme the official jessie sources.list? pls |
| 00:32.57 | jak2000 | *send |
| 00:32.58 | zykotick9 | PatienceZero: <sidenote> about terminal paste sites, termbin.com is easy if you have "nc" installed "echo just testing! | nc termbin.com 9999" |
| 00:33.11 | jak2000 | !dpkg souces.list jak2000 |
| 00:33.31 | PatienceZero | zykotick9: Oh excellent! I love using netcat |
| 00:33.39 | PatienceZero | Thank you |
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| 00:34.44 | jak2000 | markybob, PatienceZero: http://postimg.org/image/ifgo1bcj5/ |
| 00:35.39 | Guest86538 | yeah i got that from your other post. more interested in your sources and *if* you did apt-get update first |
| 00:36.13 | PatienceZero | from what its saying there it looks like it cant install libwrap0 because it would break other packages |
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| 00:38.24 | PatienceZero | I dont know the apt- command to sort out a mess like that...I did use aptitude to fix something similar once but I did it manually and it was quite involved heh |
| 00:39.26 | jak2000 | fixed sources.list but again same erroro |
| 00:39.41 | PatienceZero | did you do an apt-get update? |
| 00:39.45 | jak2000 | yes |
| 00:39.48 | jak2000 | i try again |
| 00:39.55 | jak2000 | i do before fix the sources.list |
| 00:40.01 | jak2000 | http://postimg.org/image/mld5xteep/ |
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| 00:41.03 | markybob | jak2000: have anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? |
| 00:41.17 | PatienceZero | it seems you have a bunch of broken or partially installed packages that need sorting out |
| 00:42.42 | zykotick9 | jak2000: in your sources.list you have "jessie/updates" vs "jessie-updates" |
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| 00:44.06 | gry | how did it come to this mess? |
| 00:44.16 | PatienceZero | Oh god not this |
| 00:44.18 | zykotick9 | jak2000: sorry for security.debian.org is should be jessie/updates but should be "jessie-update main" |
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| 00:45.49 | zykotick9 | ^ for the previous volatile one... from "deb httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main" |
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| 00:47.33 | zykotick9 | ^^ don't copy/paste that, it's wrong... |
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| 00:48.45 | jak2000 | fixed the jessie-updates |
| 00:49.01 | zykotick9 | :) did that fix openssh install? |
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| 00:49.23 | jak2000 | and now i can install openssh server |
| 00:49.57 | PatienceZero | speaking of updates, mine require a reboot :O |
| 00:50.17 | PatienceZero | good that you can install it jak2000 |
| 00:50.21 | PatienceZero | biab |
| 00:50.54 | jak2000 | thanks all |
| 00:52.00 | gry | was fresh install? did it by hand? where did this file come from? if you don't mind me asking |
| 00:52.21 | gry | I'm asking just in case someone's giving you an image with a wrong file or something |
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| 00:57.06 | cmtptr | so, any ideas why rxvt-unicode can load xft:DejaVu Sans Mono:size=10 but wmii can't? |
| 00:57.50 | zykotick9 | PatienceZero: wishlistbugiwontactuallyfile "checkrestart" would show kernel (needs a reboot) updates. |
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| 00:58.30 | PatienceZero | zykotick9: this was, erh, gnu c shared libraries (amongst other things) |
| 00:59.07 | zykotick9 | PatienceZero: ok, expanking on my dream-wishlist-bug, ANYTHING that requires a reboot ;) |
| 00:59.18 | PatienceZero | zykotick9: you saying that doesnt actually require a reboot? grrr... |
| 00:59.34 | zykotick9 | PatienceZero: NO NO. i'm ALL for rebooting. |
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| 01:00.31 | peterrooney | can someone suggest what recent changes there have been to xterm such that it always starts in reverse video mode? |
| 01:00.54 | zykotick9 | thus my problem with checkrestart <- it's kinda designed to NOT reboot, but i like seeing what need restarting (and it would be more helpful _to me_ to see when kernel/gnu c libary/OTHER_REBOOT_STUFF needed to be done. |
| 01:01.04 | PatienceZero | oh jak2000 isn't here..I was going to pastebin a copy of my sources.list for him |
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| 01:03.05 | PatienceZero | what I really use a lot is the tomboy note thingy...to help me keep track of things i install because I forget hehe |
| 01:03.39 | zykotick9 | throws up in his mouth a little bit... after seeing a mono-based app mentioned... |
| 01:03.59 | PatienceZero | mono-based? |
| 01:04.04 | PatienceZero | font wise or...? |
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| 01:04.18 | zykotick9 | never mind ;) use what YOU want! |
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| 01:04.34 | PatienceZero | eh man if you've got something that's better I'm interested! |
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| 01:05.21 | zykotick9 | no no i don't.... but as a sidenote, gnote is a non-mono based reimplementation of tomboy (but it lacks some features!!!) the mono thing is 100% politics - it doesn't f'n matter! |
| 01:06.01 | PatienceZero | gnote..thanks for mentioning it..I really like to have options |
| 01:06.25 | PatienceZero | tomboy is just the first thing I found that did what I was looking for so i stopped looking hehe |
| 01:06.38 | zykotick9 | liked tomboy at one point ;) |
| 01:06.54 | cmhobbs | anyone know what package might include gnome-weather on jessie? |
| 01:07.00 | PatienceZero | oh wiki style links that could be fun |
| 01:07.58 | zykotick9 | cmhobbs: i think i used the "extension" installer to get it from gnome's repo... <- me doesn't use gnome, but has installed it a few times |
| 01:08.15 | cmhobbs | zykotick9: where might i find that? |
| 01:08.20 | cmhobbs | and thanks |
| 01:08.28 | zykotick9 | ? sorry, i have no idea... |
| 01:08.35 | cmhobbs | the extension installer, that is |
| 01:08.44 | markybob | cmhobbs: gnome-shell-extension-weather |
| 01:08.50 | cmhobbs | thanks |
| 01:08.57 | zykotick9 | but isn't there some "add widget" then a "browse server" type thing? ahhh markybob ftw |
| 01:09.04 | PatienceZero | hey yeah gnote does look a bit like tomboy. I like the tomboy plugins for inserting date for example |
| 01:09.06 | LtL | cmhobbs: why don't you try apt-cache search weather |
| 01:09.17 | cmhobbs | LtL: i did but it didn't show up in that list |
| 01:09.43 | LtL | cmhobbs: are you using gnome? |
| 01:09.47 | zykotick9 | PatienceZero: gnote is VERY similar to tomboy... it really is just a non-mono based fork... but tomboy has more features. |
| 01:10.07 | cmhobbs | ah, i guess it did show up in apt-cache, i just scrolled past it |
| 01:10.10 | PatienceZero | I'm going to give it a try zykotick9 |
| 01:10.29 | cmhobbs | i miss tomboy, i was around during its inception and it was exciting to watch/submit bug reports :D |
| 01:10.31 | PatienceZero | as long as I can insert time date I'm happy |
| 01:10.52 | zykotick9 | cmhobbs: "apt search weather gnome" can't miss it ;) |
| 01:11.17 | cmhobbs | apt search or apt-cache search? |
| 01:11.24 | zykotick9 | apt search |
| 01:11.24 | apt | i heard search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg apt find <thing> if you're already here. |
| 01:11.25 | cmhobbs | i didn't know you could pass multiple search terms to it |
| 01:11.33 | cmhobbs | i didn't know about apt search, either |
| 01:11.38 | cmhobbs | thanks |
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| 01:11.50 | zykotick9 | cmhobbs: apt is pretty f'n awesome in my opinion... |
| 01:12.18 | cmhobbs | agreed |
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| 01:12.26 | PatienceZero | indeed I use apt for most things and when things get out of whack I use aptitude to fix them |
| 01:12.26 | zykotick9 | heards someone say a while ago "no one uses apt everyday"... i do. |
| 01:12.34 | cmhobbs | i kind of wish i was using debian back in the day rather than futzing through several other distros |
| 01:12.39 | cmhobbs | i'm quite pleased with it |
| 01:12.42 | markybob | i do |
| 01:12.55 | zykotick9 | cmhobbs: try "apt edit-sources" ;) |
| 01:12.58 | PatienceZero | apt is so easy and its always right there even an alt-F2 option to apt-get update |
| 01:13.36 | PatienceZero | anyone else here use Terminator for shell? Ever since I started using tmux I've been using terminator |
| 01:13.45 | zykotick9 | PatienceZero: fyi, i'm talking about "apt" as an alternative to "apt-get" |
| 01:14.02 | cmhobbs | Zyferus: nice! |
| 01:14.14 | cmhobbs | PatienceZero: i used to use terminator years ago |
| 01:14.15 | cmhobbs | it's quite nice |
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| 01:14.56 | PatienceZero | zykotick9: Oh? Well this is good ... it seems I have it installed already |
| 01:15.14 | cmhobbs | well, crap. gnome-shell-weather-extension won't run standalone |
| 01:15.25 | cmhobbs | there used to be a gnome-weather standalone program and i can't find it |
| 01:15.25 | zykotick9 | PatienceZero: you do, if you're running jessie+ |
| 01:15.34 | cmhobbs | can anyone recommend a decent lightweight weather program? |
| 01:15.47 | cmhobbs | i like xfce4's weather indicator applet but i'm not using xfce at the moment |
| 01:16.04 | PatienceZero | zykotick9: Ahhh I'm still on wheezy..I've got the sources.list all set up for the upgrade but I'm a bit afraid to :P |
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| 01:17.00 | zykotick9 | cmhobbs: honest to god, i use "weather-util" from cli, and have a script to check a couple of places at once (but that's more for "right now"), i have my weather service on a rss feed as well for forcast. |
| 01:17.00 | PatienceZero | I've got a few non standard packages installed like libdvdcss2 which I don't want broken |
| 01:17.30 | PatienceZero | isn't there an xml file you can add to your home or desktop directory for that on gnome? |
| 01:17.45 | PatienceZero | I added one to search duckduckgo |
| 01:17.55 | PatienceZero | there must be something similar for the weather |
| 01:21.10 | zykotick9 | PatienceZero: apt was on wheezy too eh? guess it's been around longer then i thought... |
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| 01:22.17 | PatienceZero | zykotick9: well on wheezy it seems there's no actual apt binary or shellscript but the apt-get, apt-cache, etc suite..is that what you mean? |
| 01:22.35 | markybob | PatienceZero: no. apt is different |
| 01:22.40 | markybob | PatienceZero: it's just 'apt' |
| 01:22.40 | PatienceZero | hmmmm |
| 01:22.41 | zykotick9 | ^ |
| 01:22.53 | jmcnaught | PatienceZero: the upgrade from wheezy to jessie is pretty easy if you follow the instructions in the release notes. a package like libdvdcss2 probably won't break stuff, but if you're using that deb-multimedia repo you might want to remove it first |
| 01:23.26 | PatienceZero | jmcnaught: Oh I know I've been reading and re-reading the upgrade pages hehe..I'm just scared that something will break that I can't fix |
| 01:23.28 | zykotick9 | PatienceZero: i've also heard about issues with apache... |
| 01:23.49 | jmcnaught | PatienceZero: if you do a backup first there's not a lot of risk |
| 01:24.17 | PatienceZero | jmcnaught: indeed I've got a couple of clonezilla backups |
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| 01:25.09 | jmcnaught | PatienceZero: if you're reading the instructions in the release notes you're already ahead of the curve :) |
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| 01:26.34 | PatienceZero | jmcnaught: you mean people try and update without reading that? Scary |
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| 01:28.21 | jmcnaught | PatienceZero: are you using any non-Debian repos? If not you're probably fine if you've read all the info in the release notes and follow them |
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| 01:29.27 | PatienceZero | jmcnaught: Yes. Two I think..one is the multimedia one, and the other one is videolan's |
| 01:29.47 | PatienceZero | but my update sources.list is clean of them |
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| 01:30.41 | PatienceZero | the multimedia one was to get handbrake and the videolan one is for that libdvdcss2 library to watch store bought dvd's |
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| 01:30.52 | jmcnaught | !remove dmm |
| 01:30.52 | dpkg | If you want to remove the packages from deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends $(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f; install the still missing packages which were removed in the former process ... |
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| 01:31.42 | PatienceZero | I'll copy/paste that for when I need it. thanks jmcnaught |
| 01:31.44 | zykotick9 | PatienceZero: note, both handbrake and vlc are in the main repos... do you really need deb-multimedia? as someone who "used to use it" i'd like to send some warning... |
| 01:31.46 | jmcnaught | PatienceZero: handbrake is in Jessie. probably the only thing you still need from deb-multimedia is the dvdcss library (which you could use without the repo) |
| 01:32.08 | zykotick9 | jmcnaught: dvdcss comes from vlc repo! |
| 01:32.28 | PatienceZero | jmcnaught: Right, I knew that much but wimped out and chose the 'easier' way heh |
| 01:32.35 | un214 | ah, but is libdvdcss in the main repos? |
| 01:32.37 | jmcnaught | ahh.. it's been a long time since i used that |
| 01:32.57 | PatienceZero | i dont think libdvdcss2 is in the main repo -- its a DMCA issue :( |
| 01:33.39 | zykotick9 | dvdcss is free software <- regardless of what debian or the dmca says! |
| 01:34.05 | PatienceZero | I know it should be but idk if its like that in practice |
| 01:34.14 | zykotick9 | ^ truth |
| 01:34.22 | PatienceZero | if it is part of jessie's main repo then I'll be very glad |
| 01:34.30 | zykotick9 | it's not |
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| 01:35.27 | zykotick9 | actually doesn't have libdvdcss installed! and hasn't for quite some time. BECAUSE of the legal bullshit surrounding the issue. |
| 01:35.29 | abrotman | It's free, not Free |
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| 01:35.39 | abrotman | and most don't need it anymore |
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| 01:38.49 | zykotick9 | abrotman: ALL i'm saying is libdvdcss is GPL and thus "free" in my books... the legal bullshit surrounding it (which prevents debian from including it, and i see why!) doesn't make the "software" itself non-free (as debian does do on a regular basis, because of "non-free" art... debian is a free-culture distro <- which i actually disagree with) |
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| 01:42.21 | PatienceZero | HerculeP: cool nick...I love the books/shows |
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| 01:49.24 | zykotick9 | as no one is talking... i'd just like to add, my "free-culture" complaint is my ONLY complaint about debian. i am SO thankful for the community that makes debian possible, and thus my own free computing possible. |
| 01:49.53 | zykotick9 | ^ well, and contrib/non-free ;) |
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| 01:52.19 | PatienceZero | I'm quite thankful that with debian you can add your own repos to your sources.list an to the sources.list.d directory for software which is not in the official repository |
| 01:53.12 | PatienceZero | and to* |
| 01:53.17 | zykotick9 | PatienceZero: blasphemy imo ;) i stick with debian repos, it's the only software i trust... |
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| 01:53.51 | gry | people use that feature for local repository development, for local deployments etc, gives flexibility that is needed in some cases |
| 01:53.54 | PatienceZero | Hehe, well until I upgrade to jessie |
| 01:54.20 | PatienceZero | gry just stop. You're blogging about questions which were never asked -AGAIN- |
| 01:54.45 | zykotick9 | gry: i'm quasi-joking... i _certainly_ see sources.list features/advantage |
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| 01:55.35 | zykotick9 | gry: but 3rd party/2nd party repos... it's not stable anymore... so it's not really debian anymore. |
| 01:55.37 | PatienceZero | and no "people" dont just use that feature for local repo dev |
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| 01:55.50 | PatienceZero | I mean ... "reality check" yourself gry |
| 01:56.05 | markybob | sure, you need to add mozilla.debian.net or backports... :P |
| 01:56.12 | markybob | that's about it |
| 01:56.15 | markybob | fuck the rest |
| 01:56.28 | zykotick9 | markybob: that falls into my made up "2nd party repos" category ;) |
| 01:56.31 | gry | zykotick9, yea firefox took away this flexibility, people have to install 'dev edition' for this to work. it's nice that debian allows people to install things they wrote locally |
| 01:56.56 | jmcnaught | people should use what they want, but understand that third party repos can introduce problems |
| 01:57.08 | PatienceZero | the hell are you talking about gry <-- man I get tired of asking this about gry's posts. |
| 01:57.09 | gry | zykotick9, friends still share software for debian and for other firefox forks which didn't take it away |
| 01:57.37 | TheSHAD0W | Hiya. I grabbed both the xfce and lxde versions from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/bt-hybrid/ - and memtest doesn't work on either boot menu. |
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| 01:58.09 | TheSHAD0W | It flashes a message about "not found". -_- |
| 01:58.32 | zykotick9 | gry: i'm not sure i follow your firefox argument/example... |
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| 01:59.16 | markybob | TheSHAD0W: i don't trust live as far as i can throw it. it's so full of bugs which is why the main (really only) developer left |
| 01:59.25 | cmhobbs | zykotick9: i went with sunshine.el in emacs :D |
| 01:59.34 | TheSHAD0W | Hehe. |
| 01:59.35 | zykotick9 | gry: oh... signed plugins <- is that what you're talking about? /me doesn't actually follow mozilla development closesly |
| 01:59.42 | gry | zykotick9: I mean with firefox you can't add your own add-ons to it, only one 'signed' by mozilla. this makes it harder to share things because most users will have the last stable firefox and it's only the nightly where you can install random crap |
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| 01:59.54 | gry | zykotick9: yes |
| 02:00.03 | markybob | TheSHAD0W: use a real installer. and probably amd64 if your system can handle 64-bit |
| 02:00.06 | PatienceZero | ÐÑи Ð¸Ð¼ÐµÐµÑ Ð½ÐµÐ¼Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾ пÑоÑÑого Ñма и Ð²ÐµÐ´ÐµÑ ÑÐµÐ±Ñ ÑооÑвеÑÑÑвÑÑÑим обÑазом. |
| 02:00.08 | zykotick9 | cmhobbs: lol, i guess i should have known that emacs-os would have a weather plugin ;) |
| 02:00.13 | TheSHAD0W | It can't. |
| 02:00.39 | TheSHAD0W | Can you please point me to the "real installer", preferably one that starts out in xfce? |
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| 02:00.48 | TheSHAD0W | This machine is pretty resource-limited. |
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| 02:01.10 | zykotick9 | gry: signed programs/plugins/bios can cause problems! i see both the need, and the freedom issues involved... so i _DO_ hear ya! |
| 02:01.23 | gry | TheSHAD0W, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/debian-live-8.4.0-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso.torrent ? |
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| 02:01.47 | markybob | what was just said about live |
| 02:01.50 | TheSHAD0W | That's the 64-bit, but I'll look. |
| 02:01.52 | jmcnaught | TheSHAD0W: if you have broadband just use the installer image linked to on https://www.debian.org/ |
| 02:02.19 | TheSHAD0W | My band isn't very broad. :-P |
| 02:02.40 | markybob | TheSHAD0W: do you want netinst or a complete disk? |
| 02:02.47 | TheSHAD0W | Complete. |
| 02:02.55 | markybob | TheSHAD0W: laptop or desktop? |
| 02:03.04 | TheSHAD0W | Laptop. (Netbook.) |
| 02:03.07 | jmcnaught | TheSHAD0W: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.4.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-8.4.0-i386-lxde-CD-1.iso |
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| 02:03.38 | cafuego | Я не дÑмаÑ, ÑÑо ÑÑо полезно вообÑе. |
| 02:03.45 | TheSHAD0W | I only need CD 1? |
| 02:03.52 | gry | dvd |
| 02:03.59 | markybob | TheSHAD0W: yes, cd1 |
| 02:04.15 | TheSHAD0W | Cool. |
| 02:04.16 | gry | cafuego, пÑивеÑ, еÑÑÑ #debian-russian, еÑли ÑÑ Ð½Ðµ пÑоÑив |
| 02:04.20 | TheSHAD0W | Thank you very much. |
| 02:04.31 | cafuego | gry: That wasn't aimed at you, but at PatienceZero. |
| 02:04.46 | gry | да он пеÑеводиÑ, не ÑиÑÐ°ÐµÑ Ð¿Ð¾-ÑÑÑÑки |
| 02:04.54 | TheSHAD0W | Um, is there a torrent of this instead? |
| 02:05.03 | PatienceZero | I agree with you cafuego: I don't think gry's posts are helpful, at all. |
| 02:05.08 | gry | пÑоÑÑо гÑÑÐ±Ð¸Ñ Ñже годами |
| 02:05.22 | cafuego | PatienceZero: Use your /ignore then, rather than unhelpful sniping. |
| 02:05.23 | jmcnaught | let's all talk in english and not about each other |
| 02:05.26 | gry | но Ñ Ð¿ÑовалÑÑÑ, Ð¿Ð¾Ð¹Ð´Ñ Ð½Ð° дÑÑгой канал |
| 02:05.30 | zykotick9 | s/cd1/netinst/ <- IMO... debian only needs one install image ;) save electrons/bandwidth |
| 02:05.46 | gry | use live to test hardware, not sure if it's what we're trying to do here |
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| 02:06.07 | jordanm | !english |
| 02:06.07 | dpkg | English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope). |
| 02:06.10 | PatienceZero | cafuego: I'm so sorry that you're crying so hard. :( |
| 02:08.28 | TheSHAD0W | found torrents of the dvds but not of the xfce version |
| 02:08.41 | TheSHAD0W | Or does the DVD let you choose? |
| 02:08.46 | TheSHAD0W | If so I'll grab the DVD. |
| 02:08.56 | markybob | TheSHAD0W: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/i386/bt-cd/debian-8.4.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso.torrent |
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| 02:09.23 | TheSHAD0W | Excellent. Thank you. |
| 02:10.09 | gry | just wondering, torrent for dvd (not cd) doesn't exist? |
| 02:10.09 | somiaj | TheSHAD0W: only the cd images are desktop specific, the dvd may have them all there. Netinstall is enough with a good network connenction. |
| 02:10.10 | TheSHAD0W | thinks the directory structure on cdimage.debian.org could use a little cleanup |
| 02:10.15 | gry | ah |
| 02:10.30 | somiaj | at least that is my guess, the dvds may not need to be desktop specific |
| 02:10.42 | TheSHAD0W | Yeah, my net connection is iffy. 6 megabit and not extremely reliable. |
| 02:10.49 | TheSHAD0W | So I'd rather torrent it. |
| 02:11.48 | zykotick9 | http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ <- neat search for what is on what cd/dvd |
| 02:11.55 | TheSHAD0W | Heh. |
| 02:11.59 | TheSHAD0W | Thank you. |
| 02:12.39 | markybob | 6 meg with cd1 is not bad. you can apt-get the rest. just do 1 |
| 02:12.48 | markybob | hell i'm connected with a cell phone tether |
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| 02:14.57 | gry | if connection drops then you have to do apt-get by hand, but maybe there is another script/version for resuming download automatically and not just stopping |
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| 02:15.31 | somiaj | if it stops during the downlaod phase, just running apt-get again should be enough. |
| 02:15.51 | somiaj | so you should be fine, and apt will resume downloading where it left off |
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| 02:16.09 | markybob | sure and you can do APT::Acquire::Retries "99" or whatever you need |
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| 02:19.54 | gry | curious, that's off by default? it stopped for me when I forgot to enable wifi, just exits after first one. I'll check it out, thanks markybob :) |
| 02:20.45 | PatienceZero | lol |
| 02:21.00 | markybob | yes by default it tries once. after it timeouts out, it gives up on that package. |
| 02:21.53 | gry | cool |
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| 02:25.56 | buddybenj | So I'm trying to recover data from a drive that crashed using ddrescue. When I run "ddrescue /dev/sdc /dev/sda", it tells me "ddrescue: Output file exists and is not a regular file. |
| 02:25.56 | buddybenj | ddrescue: Use '--force' if you really want to overwrite it, but be aware that all existing data in the output file will be lost." Should I do --force? By the way, sdc and sda are both 1 TB hard drives and sdc is the drive I am trying to recover data from. |
| 02:26.24 | markybob | buddybenj: you're pointing it to a drive not a file |
| 02:27.17 | buddybenj | correct. |
| 02:27.38 | markybob | buddybenj: yeah. you need to read more about this. https://www.technibble.com/guide-using-ddrescue-recover-data/ |
| 02:29.09 | buddybenj | Is there a TLDR of that? All I want to do is copy all the data from one drive to another for data recovery purposes. |
| 02:29.35 | markybob | buddybenj: you need to copy it to a file first. then you clone that file to an hd |
| 02:29.54 | markybob | buddybenj: that's the dirty short version |
| 02:30.18 | buddybenj | So I need to get a third hard drive to put the file on? |
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| 02:31.25 | markybob | buddybenj: usb stick? something big enough |
| 02:31.50 | buddybenj | I don't have a 1 TB usb. |
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| 02:32.16 | markybob | buddybenj: no backup to save your ass? |
| 02:32.22 | Lionyx | Is there any package where elinks is compiled with some sort of Java support? |
| 02:32.54 | buddybenj | Some one told me I could do "ddrescue /dev/sdX /dev/sdY" Where X is the drive to be recovered and Y is the drive to copy to data to. |
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| 02:33.15 | markybob | buddybenj: i've not seen that. and the error you're getting says otherwise |
| 02:33.43 | buddybenj | Perhaps --force is what I need to do? |
| 02:34.04 | gry | Lionyx: Java or JavaScript? |
| 02:34.34 | markybob | buddybenj: according to man that might work. try it. |
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| 02:35.32 | buddybenj | when I'm working with a drive that needs to get data recovered from it, I'm a little reluctant to try a --force without some confidence that it's what I'm supposed to do. |
| 02:35.39 | gry | Lionyx, for JavaScript, it's not packaged, there are instructions at http://elinks.or.cz/documentation/html/manual.html-chunked/ch01s06.html |
| 02:35.57 | markybob | buddybenj: never tried it man. |
| 02:37.47 | Lionyx | gry: i think it is js. some sites complain about. |
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| 02:46.18 | buddybenj | markybob: All right, I've read the documentation, and I think I do need to use --force. From what I have been reading online, I should also use firect disk access and use a logfile. So does this command look right?: "ddrescue -d --force /dev/sdc /dev/sda logfile.log"" |
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| 02:47.27 | markybob | buddybenj: looks good to me |
| 02:48.24 | buddybenj | Oh also, -r2 because I want it to retry bas sectors twice. |
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| 02:48.35 | buddybenj | markybob: Thanks. |
| 02:48.45 | somiaj | to me the --force just meant be careful you will destory all data on the target drive. (: |
| 02:48.53 | somiaj | though I didn't read the man page. |
| 02:48.54 | markybob | buddybenj: good luck |
| 02:50.03 | markybob | man makes it obvious that that's what force will do...but not more info |
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| 02:52.28 | markybob | buddybenj: and for fucks sake get a backup system after this :) |
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| 02:54.43 | buddybenj | (i.e I learned my lesson) |
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| 05:45.44 | critter | Hi |
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| 05:46.03 | critter | I manage a couple of debian servers, wheezy and jessy |
| 05:46.47 | critter | whats debian recomendation? Should I keep both servers at the same debian version or is ok to keep them different? |
| 05:47.32 | critter | recently I updated wheezy and got a lot of kept-back packages so I dont know if this list is going to get bigger with time |
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| 05:49.29 | somiaj | critter: its fine to keep them at different versions. Just realize this means you may need to keep different configs and backups around for each server. |
| 05:49.46 | somiaj | but even though wheezy support will end in a few months, wheezy-lts should be supported for a few years to come. |
| 05:50.07 | critter | first time I hear of lts on debian |
| 05:50.25 | critter | what is debian current? jessy? |
| 05:50.28 | somiaj | critter: and on your wheezy install, what are these kept-back packages? How are you upgrading? |
| 05:50.44 | somiaj | jessie is the current stable, wheezy is oldstable (and has offical security support for I think aroudn 6 more months) |
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| 05:50.47 | somiaj | !wheezy-lts |
| 05:50.47 | dpkg | Security support Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. Similar to <squeeze-lts>, the amd64 and i386 archs will receive additional LTS support until 2018-05-31. See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages. No changes to sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts. |
| 05:50.53 | critter | somiaj, apt-get upgrade |
| 05:51.12 | somiaj | oh wheezy support just rencentally ended, I'm a bit off, that means you better add wheezy-lts to the server. |
| 05:51.33 | critter | somiaj, that means reinstall? |
| 05:51.35 | themill | (there's nothing to "add" for wheezy-lts, unlike squeeze-lts) |
| 05:51.38 | somiaj | (oh no chnages to sources.list, that is new) |
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| 05:51.56 | somiaj | critter: seems it just means the support is limited to server packages until 2018-05-31 |
| 05:52.22 | somiaj | critter: nothing wrong with keeping whezzy, though you should upgrade all your packages |
| 05:52.30 | critter | ok maybe I should reinstall wheezy to jessy |
| 05:52.53 | critter | is just a couple of hours that means a lot of trouble saved ahead |
| 05:52.54 | somiaj | unsure why upgrade isn't upgrading them all, 'dist-upgrade', should upgrade them, though pay attention to what packages it wants to add/remove |
| 05:53.22 | somiaj | critter: the choice is up to you. They are both supported |
| 05:53.32 | critter | somiaj, its kinda critical server so I dont want to play with dist-upgrade |
| 05:53.56 | critter | ok there is some kind of jessy-lts? what is that lts thing on debian? first time to hear about it |
| 05:54.15 | somiaj | critter: dist-upgrade is okay |
| 05:54.43 | somiaj | critter: the difference is if apt can add/remove packages to get dependencies. Provided you haven't changed your sources.list to jessie |
| 05:54.57 | somiaj | critter: it usually isn't needed on a stable system, but sometimes is |
| 05:55.10 | somiaj | critter: also you can /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie and not have to fully reinstall if you would rather be running jessie |
| 05:56.30 | markybob | critter: no jessie-lts until may 2018. https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/ |
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| 05:58.04 | critter | when is next debian release? |
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| 05:59.04 | markybob | critter: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch#Release_and_updates |
| 05:59.20 | markybob | critter: spring 2017 |
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| 06:02.49 | critter | ok thanks a lot |
| 06:03.01 | critter | Ill read about LTS |
| 06:03.22 | critter | I think Ill put both with jessy |
| 06:03.41 | markybob | jessie doesn't have lts yet |
| 06:03.44 | markybob | like i said |
| 06:03.52 | markybob | until 2018 |
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| 06:04.53 | critter | and then I should modify sources.list or something to use lts? |
| 06:04.55 | somiaj | critter: oldstable is supported for 1 year after the release of newstable (to give time for the transition). After that time, the lts team supports server packages for a few more years but desktop users will need to upgrade to the current stable. |
| 06:04.59 | markybob | critter: correct |
| 06:05.16 | somiaj | critter: it seems that lts no longer requires you to modify your sources.list. You should just know that not all packages are supported by it. |
| 06:05.33 | somiaj | markybob: seems wheezy-lts doesn't have seperate sources unlike squeeze-lts. |
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| 06:06.20 | critter | okok |
| 06:06.30 | critter | you have been very helpful |
| 06:06.30 | markybob | somiaj: sure it's not because it's been 2 days and they might be behind? |
| 06:06.42 | critter | Oh another thing |
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| 06:07.01 | somiaj | markybob: this is news to me, but I assume the person who updated the factoid knows what is up |
| 06:07.04 | somiaj | !wheezy-lts |
| 06:07.04 | dpkg | Security support Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. Similar to <squeeze-lts>, the amd64 and i386 archs will receive additional LTS support until 2018-05-31. See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages. No changes to sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts. |
| 06:07.17 | critter | I need to change timezone |
| 06:07.22 | markybob | i see |
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| 06:07.47 | critter | should I modify it manualy and wait for debian to create tzdata package? |
| 06:07.57 | markybob | critter: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 06:08.33 | critter | markybob, no I mean, country's timezone is going to change |
| 06:08.38 | jvava | hi, |
| 06:08.44 | critter | like energy saving stuff |
| 06:09.02 | markybob | critter: pretty sure bet tzdata has that built in already. |
| 06:09.10 | markybob | critter: so you do nothing |
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| 06:10.03 | jvava | create veth failed, please help |
| 06:10.05 | jvava | ip link add A type veth peer name B |
| 06:10.15 | jvava | RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported |
| 06:10.19 | critter | markybob, do you think so? this is kind of unscheduled change, like emergency change |
| 06:10.55 | markybob | critter: then tzdata will get an update. as long as your sources are right and you have jessie-updates you'll be fine |
| 06:11.04 | somiaj | critter: dpkg-reconfigure will just end up modifying the corresponding files in /etc/ anyways, your choice on how to change it. |
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| 06:11.39 | somiaj | critter: but I would wait and see if there is an update for this. |
| 06:11.51 | jmcnaught | critter: the tzdata package was just updated earlier in the week on jessie at least, you could check its changelog |
| 06:12.23 | Gaiseric | Hello everyone, I'm curious, am I the only one with Wireshark/tcpdump/nethogs etc. refusing to capture packets some time after booting, even though I'm a member of the netdev group? tcptrack only works with sudo; nethogs doesn't even with sudo. |
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| 06:13.06 | critter | markybob, somiaj, jmcnaught: thanks a lot for all your help |
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| 06:16.20 | Gaiseric | I'm getting messages such as "pcap_open_live: eth0: You don't have permission to capture on that device (socket: Operation not permitted)" and "creating socket failed while establishing local IP - are you root?" (the latter from nethogs, which I'm running with sudo) |
| 06:16.33 | Gaiseric | fun stuff |
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| 06:21.54 | jvava | RTNETLINK answers: operation not supported |
| 06:22.01 | jvava | why? |
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| 06:31.50 | somiaj | jvava: what are you doing that produced that error? Have you checked dmesg? |
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| 06:56.52 | jvava | somiaj: i add a virtual net card, such as: ip link add A type veth peer name B |
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| 07:05.18 | AndreasLutro | I'm running the linux 4.3 kernel due to an intel video issue in 4.4 - but it looks like 4.3 has been removed from backports? is that the norm, to remove old kernel versions like that? |
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| 07:09.14 | jmcnaught | AndreasLutro: yes, the only version i see in jessie-backports now is 4.5 |
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| 07:09.21 | jmcnaught | ,kernels |
| 07:09.22 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-rc3-686 (4.6~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); stretch: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.5.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1) |
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| 07:10.53 | AndreasLutro | that's annoying :/ I would've at least expected a few old releases to be kept around |
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| 07:12.19 | markybob | AndreasLutro: why? stable, testing, sid all only have one. why would backports be different? |
| 07:12.56 | markybob | !tell AndreasLutro about snapshots |
| 07:13.02 | markybob | that might help you |
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| 07:14.37 | jmcnaught | AndreasLutro: did you start using a backports kernel to solve a problem? I recommend using the stock jessie kernel unless you need new hardware support or something |
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| 07:17.51 | markybob | jmcnaught: he said it was a problem with his intel video card |
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| 07:18.45 | jmcnaught | markybob: i understood that as a problem in 4.4 was the reason for using 4.3, but skylake sounds likely |
| 07:19.10 | markybob | good point |
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| 07:28.11 | AndreasLutro | yeah the problem was in 4.4, but I needed some more recent intel drivers from backports which weren't working properly with the 3.16 kernel |
| 07:28.34 | AndreasLutro | I'll check out the snapshots. thanks for the help |
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| 07:28.50 | markybob | AndreasLutro: he has a good point that 4.5 has better skylake support. is that what you have? |
| 07:28.57 | Ulrar | Hi, could someone confirm that mysql server in debian 8 is 5.5 please ? |
| 07:29.15 | markybob | ,v mysql-server-5.5 |
| 07:29.16 | judd | Package: mysql-server-5.5 on amd64 -- squeeze-security-lts: 5.5.47-0+deb6u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.47-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.5.49-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.49-0+deb8u1 |
| 07:29.22 | markybob | Ulrar: yep |
| 07:29.30 | Ulrar | Thanks a lot |
| 07:29.34 | Ulrar | Let's dowgrade then |
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| 07:29.59 | AndreasLutro | markybob: I'm running 4.3 right now. I'll try installing 4.5 and see if the video issues I had in 4.4 are fixed later on |
| 07:30.02 | installingproces | ,v iceweasel |
| 07:30.02 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.5.0esr-1~deb7u2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 38.7.1esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 38.7.1esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.0.2esr-1; sid: 45.0.2esr-1; sid: 45.1.0esr-1 |
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| 07:30.55 | markybob | installingproces: you know debian is moving to proper firefox? |
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| 07:32.45 | markybob | installingproces: it's already in sid. for other branches you can get it from http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 07:32.46 | installingproces | markybob yes I have heard that, I have mixed feeling about this decision. |
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| 07:40.52 | Redfoxmoon | how does one go about adding new packages to debian? |
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| 07:41.06 | markybob | Redfoxmoon: to the repos or installing them? |
| 07:41.12 | Redfoxmoon | to the official repos |
| 07:41.15 | markybob | !mentors |
| 07:41.15 | dpkg | mentors is probably the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 07:41.41 | Redfoxmoon | oh brother. |
| 07:41.51 | markybob | Redfoxmoon: it's not easy/quick |
| 07:42.03 | Redfoxmoon | I don't want to become a maintainer nor a developer. just a new package that would benefit debian :) |
| 07:42.12 | somiaj | Redfoxmoon: Are you wanting to reqest a new package be added to debian, or create on yourself to add to debian. |
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| 07:42.17 | markybob | Redfoxmoon: probably not happening then |
| 07:42.23 | markybob | Redfoxmoon: it's not like ubuntu ppa |
| 07:42.31 | Redfoxmoon | markybob, I know. |
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| 07:42.42 | Redfoxmoon | it's a fast libtool replacement written in C :) |
| 07:42.53 | somiaj | Redfoxmoon: there is a place you can request packages (I forget where), but then you have to wait for someone to want to manage it |
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| 07:43.35 | babilen | dpkg: rfp |
| 07:43.35 | dpkg | Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. The best way of getting software packaged is to do it yourself: ask me about <nmg>. |
| 07:44.22 | Redfoxmoon | alright. |
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| 08:00.08 | f0f4r | How can I misure the extra lookup of using cname over cname? |
| 08:00.20 | pclov3r | I have an odd problem. Maybe somebody can help. It's a VM that takes a long time to boot up with a black screen. |
| 08:00.33 | pclov3r | There is some kernel flag that gives a more verbose output? Forgot what it was |
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| 08:03.19 | jmcnaught | pclov3r: remove quiet from the kernel command line. if it's using systemd once it's booted you could run "systemd-analyze blame" to see what took so long |
| 08:03.35 | pclov3r | that's right thanks |
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| 08:06.34 | pclov3r | looks like someting with the kernel is stalling |
| 08:06.36 | pclov3r | something |
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| 08:24.50 | pclov3r | jmcnaught, using a backported kernel fixed the issue |
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| 08:25.39 | pclov3r | it's something that appears to have happened with the latest kernel update. Seems to be hanging up on pci memory allocation |
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| 08:43.44 | dionysus69 | is there a tool to monitor write speed while I do something like dd for example? |
| 08:43.57 | dionysus69 | to usb I mean |
| 08:44.05 | tugrik | iotop? |
| 08:44.05 | Iridos | pclov3r, in the latest stable kernel? (3.16.0) |
| 08:44.22 | tugrik | or dionysus69 dcfldd |
| 08:44.22 | Iridos | dionysus69, dd tells you the write speed |
| 08:44.46 | dionysus69 | nope it doesn't |
| 08:44.49 | pclov3r | yes |
| 08:44.51 | dionysus69 | does it have a verbose mode? |
| 08:45.05 | pclov3r | but looking back even more in the log it stalls at using host bridge windows from acpi |
| 08:45.07 | tugrik | it has a relatively obscure verbose mode dionysus69 ;) |
| 08:45.16 | pclov3r | from the kernel output |
| 08:45.26 | tugrik | you have to send it USR2 signals IIRC |
| 08:45.52 | Iridos | dionysus69, it does... 258263178 bytes (258 MB) copied, 2.86536 s, 90.1 MB/s <--- looks like a write speed to me |
| 08:46.18 | dionysus69 | ok i ll wait for it and see it it outputs that but I dont remember really |
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| 08:47.46 | Iridos | the more important question to address is, if you have only written to cache instead of disk when it finishes, if that makes a difference and if you want to account for it |
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| 08:48.01 | Iridos | dd has an option to do sync transfers |
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| 08:48.34 | tugrik | dionysus69: "Sending a USR1 signal to a running 'dd' process makes it print I/O statistics to standard error and then resume copying." |
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| 08:49.05 | Iridos | or you could always do time (dd if=xx of=yy ; sync;sync;) and use that time instead of the one dd gives |
| 08:49.08 | pclov3r | Iridos, but if i install the backport kernel it seems to resolve the issue so probably some bug. |
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| 08:49.21 | pclov3r | it does boot just slowly |
| 08:49.45 | themill | !pv |
| 08:49.45 | dpkg | pv is the pipe viewer, a handy utility to measure data passing through the pipe between processes. It shows how much data has passed, how long it has taken and the speed, as well as estimated completion if that data is available ("pv file" or "-s" is used). Example: "dd if=/dev/sda bs=1M | pv -s 250G | df of=/dev/sdb bs=1M" |
| 08:49.52 | themill | dionysus69: ^^ |
| 08:50.04 | Iridos | pclov3r, write a bug report on the kernel... try with the previous version of the kernel to make sure it's really the latest security update |
| 08:50.12 | Iridos | yeah, or pv |
| 08:50.14 | tugrik | dionysus69: dcfldd is like dd but friendlier - and as above, pv is useful too |
| 08:50.20 | tugrik | cheers themill :) |
| 08:50.46 | pclov3r | probably should also look at the changelog |
| 08:50.48 | Iridos | tugrik, if you read that sentence again, you'll see the irony |
| 08:51.24 | Iridos | pclov3r, shouldn't be very hard to find the cause if the only changes are a couple of security fix patches |
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| 08:51.59 | pclov3r | doing a complete clean install right now to see if that fixes it as I can |
| 08:52.02 | tugrik | which sentence Iridos ? |
| 08:52.19 | Iridos | (hard-to-remember-untypable-command is like command but friendlier) |
| 08:52.58 | pclov3r | Iridos, any tips on how to install an old kernel? |
| 08:53.07 | Iridos | dpkg, snapshots |
| 08:53.07 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 08:53.39 | Kirito | redis-tools : Breaks: redis-server (< 2:2.6.16-1) but 2:2.4.14-1 is to be installed |
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| 08:53.41 | Kirito | ..is this a bug? |
| 08:53.55 | pclov3r | Iridos, i guess i could also just install it and have two different kernels... |
| 08:53.59 | Kirito | Unless I'm not understanding what redis-tools is? |
| 08:54.05 | Iridos | pclov3r, if the update is somewhat recent, you might also still have the .deb among /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image* ... then you can just dpkg -i that |
| 08:54.16 | tugrik | Iridos: "dcfldd statusinterval=30" is hard to remember, sending USR1 to a pid you have to look up separately and then watch STDERR is easier? Your definitions of "easier" and "irony" are different to mine |
| 08:54.42 | pclov3r | Iridos, just did a clean install. |
| 08:54.47 | pclov3r | Well, Doing |
| 08:54.59 | Iridos | pclov3r, yes for the backports vs stable kernel, because they have different names... the stable kernels are all the same kernel (with the same name) --> only one can be installed |
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| 08:55.28 | pclov3r | looks like i'll have to find the package manually than |
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| 09:00.55 | Iridos | but if it's a so-fresh install, you don't know that any of the 3.16er kernels worked |
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| 09:01.21 | dionysus69 | ok I met this weird phenomena, I downloaded osx.dmg which was like 5gb and using dmg2image utility I converted it to osx.iso, the iso file now is 15gb, doesnt make sense, can that be correct? |
| 09:01.25 | pclov3r | hum appears a clean install is doing the same thing |
| 09:02.15 | Iridos | there is no dmg2image in debian |
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| 09:04.47 | dionysus69 | Iridos: I downloaded it from the repository |
| 09:04.49 | dionysus69 | how come then |
| 09:05.00 | dionysus69 | dmg2img I mean |
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| 09:06.21 | jelly | dionysus69: take a look at the package description. |
| 09:06.34 | installingproces | dionysus69 dmg files can be compressed, iso don't, that will be the difference |
| 09:07.00 | installingproces | I compress large isos by making them dmgs, I make the opposite of what you do lol |
| 09:07.08 | dionysus69 | hmm ok I guess just made sure the output file was correct |
| 09:07.21 | pclov3r | Iridos, so if your curious setting acpi=off fixes it. |
| 09:07.25 | dionysus69 | well I am preparing installer for macbook |
| 09:07.29 | dionysus69 | friend needs help |
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| 09:07.36 | pclov3r | so it appear it's ACPI issues than rather |
| 09:07.37 | installingproces | nice, good luck |
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| 09:20.14 | Iridos | moop, done? |
| 09:20.22 | moop | Iridos: yes |
| 09:20.28 | moop | ^_^ |
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| 09:27.20 | JyZyXEL | % sudo apt-get -b source ksystemlog/testing |
| 09:27.25 | JyZyXEL | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.26 | JyZyXEL | Get:1 http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ experimental/main ksystemlog 4:15.12.0-1 (dsc) [2,634 B] |
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| 09:27.41 | JyZyXEL | how come it says to select 'testing' but actually selects experimental? |
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| 09:30.52 | themill | JyZyXEL: the "testing" is for the binary to source package mapping; then it gets the most recent source. Use package=version if you want a specific version |
| 09:31.15 | themill | (-t testing *might* work better in newer apt) |
| 09:31.43 | JyZyXEL | what takes package= as argument? |
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| 09:33.34 | themill | all apt commands |
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| 09:34.13 | JyZyXEL | oh i thought you meant a literal package= |
| 09:34.30 | JyZyXEL | but i guess it meant: ksystemlog=4:15.08.0-1 |
| 09:34.35 | themill | yeah |
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| 09:37.01 | JyZyXEL | interesting, it only seems to be using a single core for compiling |
| 09:38.05 | JyZyXEL | meh, the resulting .deb is as seg-faulty as the current stable version |
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| 09:38.59 | themill | unless you request parallel builds and the maintainer has configured the package for parallel builds, it only uses 1 core |
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| 09:40.15 | JyZyXEL | the manual just says: Compile source packages after downloading them. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Compile. |
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| 09:40.48 | JyZyXEL | there is no link to APT::Get::Compile |
| 09:40.56 | JyZyXEL | and that is the only mention of it in the manual |
| 09:42.25 | themill | If you care about the way it is built, you don't get apt to do it |
| 09:42.34 | nebg | can somebody explain me in simple terms what avahi-daemon does ? |
| 09:42.46 | JyZyXEL | yeah that seems to be the case |
| 09:43.07 | JyZyXEL | if you don't like the way apt handles it, then call all the build tools yourself |
| 09:43.46 | themill | it's only dpkg-buildpackage unless you instead want a different build environment (chroot, vm, etc) |
| 09:44.05 | bollo | !tell nebg about zeroconf |
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| 10:17.39 | e-anima | does wheezy still get upgrades? i get infos about a new php 5.5.20 in the security mailer but thats only for jessi |
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| 10:18.38 | themill | dpkg: tell e-anima about wheezy-lts |
| 10:19.45 | e-anima | hmm is lts a different install? |
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| 10:19.58 | e-anima | ok i am confused |
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| 10:25.05 | brigo | e-anima, wheezy does still get upgrades but for a few packages. |
| 10:25.17 | e-anima | ok |
| 10:25.52 | brigo | e-anima, https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/FAQ |
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| 10:38.43 | zamba | where can i get packages for squeeze? |
| 10:38.48 | zamba | seems like it's gone from all the apt sources? |
| 10:38.57 | brigo | zamba, archive.debian.org |
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| 10:39.18 | TomTomTosch | !tell zamba about squeeze sources.list |
| 10:40.49 | zamba | thanks both of you :) |
| 10:41.34 | TomTomTosch | zamba: debian 6 reached EOL and does not get updates. you shouldn't be using it on a machine where security is important. |
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| 10:42.10 | zamba | TomTomTosch: i just need to get it up to date so i can start upgrading it |
| 10:42.16 | zamba | do i have to go through wheezy first? |
| 10:42.22 | themill | yes |
| 10:42.24 | zamba | or can i jump directly to jessie? |
| 10:42.26 | zamba | okei |
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| 10:44.43 | wewlad | hello debs, I've installed multiarch wine-development and guys from #winehq say that usually 'wine' command is capable of deciding on it's own which version (wine32 or wine64) to use |
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| 10:47.05 | wewlad | but for me using 'wine' command I always get 'command not found' |
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| 10:47.23 | wewlad | 'whereis wine' points to '/usr/share/wine' which is an empty dir |
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| 10:56.45 | brigo | wewlad, why don't you install wine? |
| 10:58.42 | wewlad | brigo: because it's version is too old |
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| 11:01.12 | lovezrs | Hello ,If I want to change my debian stable to debian testing,What should I do with the sources.list |
| 11:01.15 | lovezrs | ? |
| 11:01.41 | lovezrs | Thanks to the one who helps me at first ...many thanks |
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| 11:02.26 | TomTomTosch | first you should think twice if testing is what you want. |
| 11:02.43 | TomTomTosch | !tell lovezrs about jessie->stretch |
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| 11:03.45 | lovezrs | TomTomTosch: I thought more than twice ... |
| 11:04.51 | TomTomTosch | lovezrs: if you have to ask that question you probably shouldn't. it's a good idea to stay with stable for a while to learn how things work in debian. |
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| 11:05.32 | lovezrs | "deb http://mirrors.xxxx/debian/ testing main contrib non-free " is it right? |
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| 11:06.37 | TomTomTosch | sure |
| 11:07.00 | lovezrs | TomTomTosch: Thanks for your advise~ Many thanks~ I am going to update my system~ |
| 11:07.09 | TomTomTosch | good luck. |
| 11:07.42 | lovezrs | TomTomTosch: lol ~ |
| 11:08.00 | wewlad | how to make 'wine' command work so that it would decide on it's own when to use 'wine-development' and when to use 'wine64-development'? |
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| 11:08.56 | TomTomTosch | wewlad: if you are not using the debian package you should follow their build instructions or ask #winehq |
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| 11:09.27 | wewlad | TomTomTosch: I'm using debian package |
| 11:09.40 | TomTomTosch | wewlad: you said earlier it was too old. |
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| 11:10.15 | wewlad | TomTomTosch: the stable version is too old, -development version from backports isn't |
| 11:10.47 | rafalcpp | Interesting article, re - is systemd an attempt by NSA to gain controll - https://muchweb.me/systemd-nsa-attempt/ |
| 11:10.58 | TomTomTosch | wewlad: you still need to install wine, not only wine.development |
| 11:11.38 | KostasDi_ | Hey there! I uninstalled icedove and installed firefox and chromium. Why is it that some of my applications think firefox is the default and some (erroneously) that it's chromium? |
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| 11:11.58 | TomTomTosch | wewlad: wine from backports that is. |
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| 11:12.10 | justatemp123 | Good morning! |
| 11:12.25 | wewlad | TomTomTosch: https://paste.kde.org/pdka067al |
| 11:12.41 | justatemp123 | If i reinstall debian and copy my whole current home folder to the next installation, will everything go as planned? |
| 11:12.50 | wewlad | I hate broken packages in debian |
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| 11:13.27 | KostasDi_ | ** sorry, I mean't IceWeasel |
| 11:13.31 | themill | wewlad: you need -t jessie-backports |
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| 11:14.10 | KostasDi_ | "There is only one alternative in link group x-www-browser (providing /usr/bin/x-www-browser): /usr/bin/chromium" |
| 11:14.56 | justatemp123 | boycott google :o |
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| 11:15.12 | wewlad | themill: thanks, but this way it asks for another 303MB, are you sure it won't install another copy of wine? |
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| 11:16.30 | TomTomTosch | justatemp123: should be fine. |
| 11:16.49 | teraflops | KostasDi_: because xdg open. Also tell us what DE if any are you using some DE uses other things for dealing with mimetypes and default applications |
| 11:17.05 | justatemp123 | thanks. will backing it up in an ntfs partition keep permissions and timestamps? |
| 11:17.17 | KostasDi_ | i3wm |
| 11:17.39 | TomTomTosch | justatemp123: nope, but you can tar it, then it will. |
| 11:17.52 | justatemp123 | sweet, will do. thank you |
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| 11:18.55 | wewlad | how to make 'wine' command work so that it would decide on it's own when to use 'wine-development' and when to use 'wine64-development'? |
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| 11:20.29 | wewlad | or how to make apt-get install show versions of the packages it asks me to confirm to install? |
| 11:20.35 | teraflops | KostasDi_: not debian link but this is what you need https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xdg-open#Set_the_default_browser |
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| 11:20.45 | brigo | wewlad, wine-development is not a newer version of wine. |
| 11:21.14 | brigo | wewlad, use aptitude for that. |
| 11:21.15 | wewlad | brigo: it's a different release branch that usually contains newer version of wine |
| 11:21.41 | brigo | wewlad, no it isnt. Those packages are empty of binaries. |
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| 11:22.08 | wewlad | brigo: what? how can a package not contain binaries and yet work? |
| 11:22.27 | brigo | wewlad, it isn't working, i think. |
| 11:22.33 | KostasDi_ | thanks teraflops, i'll look into it. Still bizarre how chromium is in the list of browsers but firefox isn't |
| 11:22.38 | wewlad | brigo: it works |
| 11:22.48 | TomTomTosch | wewlad: just read the description. "This package provides essential wrappers and convenience tools for the standard Wine components." |
| 11:22.50 | justatemp123 | i have been using wine-development successfully as well |
| 11:23.08 | wewlad | TomTomTosch: that's not an answer to any of my questions :( |
| 11:23.28 | TomTomTosch | wewlad: install wine from jessie-backports. has been said three times. |
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| 11:23.42 | wewlad | TomTomTosch: I think that wrapper is for non development version, which is too outdated |
| 11:23.49 | wewlad | so that's why I need to know what version it is |
| 11:23.57 | brigo | TomTomTosch, he is using wheezy. |
| 11:24.07 | wewlad | brigo: jessie |
| 11:24.27 | wewlad | wait, 8.4 |
| 11:24.39 | wewlad | I always get confused what name it has |
| 11:24.41 | wewlad | it's a damn 8.4 |
| 11:25.26 | brigo | wewlad, from your paste, the key error is in the 15th line: E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
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| 11:27.00 | wewlad | thanks and never mind, I just got confused |
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| 11:27.16 | justatemp123 | so, if i am running jessie, it is better to install wine from backports instead of wine-development? |
| 11:27.22 | wewlad | 'dpkg -l | grep wine' tore the confusion away |
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| 11:27.46 | wewlad | I do have wine-development (as well as 32 and 64 versions of it), and it works |
| 11:27.46 | justatemp123 | in order to get the latest possible version i mean |
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| 11:29.15 | TomTomTosch | wewlad: you can check if both the 32 and 64 bit versions are installed. |
| 11:29.18 | Boloyankee | gnome-weather not updating any ideas? |
| 11:29.31 | wewlad | TomTomTosch: no need to, they are |
| 11:29.59 | wewlad | I just need to use wine-development and it will decide which of two versions to use |
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| 11:31.51 | justatemp123 | i tar'd my home folder and the tar is bigger than the actual home folder, is it because i used -p for the permissions? |
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| 11:33.02 | petn-randall | justatemp123: How much bigger? It still needs to contain the metadata (where each file starts and where it ends in the tar), so it should naturally be a little larger. |
| 11:33.16 | justatemp123 | from 15gb to nearly 19 |
| 11:33.47 | petn-randall | justatemp123: How are you measuring the size of your home? |
| 11:34.04 | justatemp123 | nautilus right click ! |
| 11:34.06 | KostasDi_ | teraflops, I'm getting an "xdg-settings: unknown desktop environment" error when trying to set the default browser. Google is not being of much help here. Any ideas? |
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| 11:37.00 | petn-randall | justatemp123: I'm not sure how it measures it, maybe it excludes dotfiles. Can you run 'du -sh /home/<yourfolder>' on the command line? |
| 11:37.42 | justatemp123 | match :) |
| 11:37.43 | justatemp123 | thanks |
| 11:38.46 | KostasDi_ | oh nvm, fixed it |
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| 11:46.26 | pfsense-fan | I am planning to cloning a perfect copy of my SSD which contains debian so I can temporarely use the empty SSD for another task and then restore the IMG so I can use the Debian OS like before. I thought that I could use dd for this, like so: |
| 11:46.29 | pfsense-fan | dd if=/dev/hda conv=sync,noerror bs=64K | gzip -c > /mnt/sda1/hda.img.gz |
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| 11:47.27 | pfsense-fan | Is this command ok? DO I miss the mbr or somehting else? |
| 11:47.31 | zinx | you should probably leave out the noerror |
| 11:47.42 | zinx | but otherwise, it is fine |
| 11:47.58 | wewlad | when I 'sh /some/file' will that file get executed exactly with 'sh' or is it based on shebang value? |
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| 11:48.18 | zinx | wewlad: it will be executed with sh. however, if sh is bash, bash may interpret the shebang. |
| 11:48.40 | zinx | wewlad: and change compatibility from posix.. |
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| 11:49.22 | wewlad | aw, crap |
| 11:49.37 | wewlad | thx zinx |
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| 11:49.56 | wewlad | I'll just pray then that it will work with whatever shell I use |
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| 11:51.23 | pfsense-fan | zinx: thank you, is the bs important since it's a SSD? |
| 11:51.38 | pfsense-fan | or does it even matter beween SSD and HDD? |
| 11:51.55 | zinx | pfsense-fan: not particularly. you'll get different read performance depending on the block size. write performance will be up to gzip. |
| 11:52.24 | pfsense-fan | zinx: thank you. Can I also ask you what the noerror is supposed to be doing? |
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| 11:52.52 | zinx | pfsense-fan: it will replace blocks that can't be read with zeros (due to sync, otherwise it would simply not include errored blocks, which is never what you want). |
| 11:53.10 | zinx | pfsense-fan: without noerror, dd will abort if there is an error. |
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| 11:54.27 | zinx | pfsense-fan: given that the drive you're copying from is presumably good, i'm guessing you want to know about errors :) |
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| 11:55.42 | pfsense-fan | zinx: yes, I am expecting no errors at all and I wish dd to stop if it encouters any |
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| 11:55.48 | pfsense-fan | thank you very much :) |
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| 11:58.23 | wewlad | could anyone explain in a 'tl;dr' way the concept of having 'execute' permissions in the unix system? It's either read or write or both, if I can read something - I can execute it. |
| 11:58.46 | wewlad | and if so - then why an extra permission for that? |
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| 11:59.43 | zinx | wewlad: 1) because you can't neccesarily execute it on that machine. and 2) execute means something else for directories :/ |
| 12:00.23 | blind | but read permissions does NOT mean you can execute it.. |
| 12:00.27 | zinx | wewlad: you can't execute it, for example, if you can't create files with +x set, and have no program that will run a file without +x set. |
| 12:00.46 | wewlad | zinx: I do have a shell, right? |
| 12:00.50 | wewlad | I may use it as an interpreter |
| 12:01.07 | zinx | wewlad: also, you can execute something without being able to read it. |
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| 12:01.21 | wewlad | if I have a read access to a file, yet I lack execute permissions - I can 'bash /that/file' and it will get executed |
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| 12:01.31 | zinx | (does not work for scripts, of course, as the interpreter has to be able to read them) |
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| 12:01.51 | zinx | wewlad: bash will only interpret scripts. it won't execute binaries. |
| 12:02.16 | Kirito | If I have a fresh Debian Wheezy installation (because my datacenter's version of Debian is apparently out of date), would it be easier/better to just dist-upgrade to jessie or re-install? |
| 12:02.23 | wewlad | zinx: oh, thx |
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| 12:03.08 | markybob | Kirito: on a fresh install i'd just dist-upgrade to jessie |
| 12:04.01 | Kirito | Thanks, that makes things a bit easier |
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| 12:16.33 | arahael | Kirito: update to latest wheezy and check release notes. |
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| 12:16.42 | Ulrar | Hi, on debian 8 is it possible to downgrade svn to 1.6.17 or something close to that ? Doesn't seem to be what's in the repo |
| 12:16.47 | arahael | Kirito: but yeah, then just do the dist upgrade. |
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| 12:17.13 | arahael | Ulrar: you can use dpkg to manually remove and then install specific versions. |
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| 12:17.43 | Ulrar | arahael: Where would I get that specific version ? |
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| 12:17.56 | arahael | Ulrar: ah. why that specofic version? |
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| 12:18.30 | arahael | Ulrar: it may be appropriate to compile it to /opt/svn-1.6.17 |
| 12:18.54 | Ulrar | arahael: A client has quite a lot of repo with that version, and the new one doesn't seem to be compatible |
| 12:19.24 | arahael | Ulrar: which file format backend is it using? |
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| 12:19.56 | Ulrar | Absolutly no idea, never used svn |
| 12:20.00 | arahael | Ulrar: you may want to update them to a newer version - check with #svn? |
| 12:20.24 | Ulrar | I can't go around changing the client's file so not really anyway |
| 12:20.28 | arahael | Ulrar: but if it's so old as to be using the bdb backend (berkerly db), be very wary. |
| 12:21.23 | arahael | Ulrar: sure, keep using the same old server then. bugs and corruption and all. |
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| 12:23.39 | Ulrar | I'll sugest they upgrade, but that's just not my call |
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| 12:30.15 | TheSHAD0W | So, just installed debian xfce from cd1... |
| 12:30.29 | TheSHAD0W | You guys aren't into hand-holding much, are you? :-P |
| 12:31.07 | jelly | correct, TheSHAD0W |
| 12:31.27 | TheSHAD0W | Installing required a bit of knowledge to keep from getting lost... Had to go into network settings to set wifi password rather than having it ask on selection... |
| 12:32.02 | TheSHAD0W | This is stable, so I guess not having any updates isn't out of the question, but seems suspicious... |
| 12:32.24 | TheSHAD0W | Why won't the web browser launch? It pulls up a terminal window that vanishes before I can see anything in it. |
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| 12:34.05 | catbehemoth | will x11vnc work on login screen (debian install with Gnome) if I use systemd to start it? |
| 12:38.30 | TheSHAD0W | Was the web browser supposed to come on another CD, maybe? |
| 12:38.44 | TheSHAD0W | Not installed on CD1? |
| 12:39.05 | jelly | catbehemoth: if you make sure it runs after gdm/lightdm/whatever login screen, it ought to |
| 12:39.10 | TheSHAD0W | notes he didn't hook to network on install |
| 12:39.44 | jelly | TheSHAD0W: iceweasel should be installed with xfce desktop task, I think |
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| 12:40.21 | jelly | judd: recommends task-xfce-desktop |
| 12:40.22 | judd | Package task-xfce-desktop in jessie/amd64 -- recommends: xfce4-goodies, xfce4-power-manager, xfce4-mixer, xfce4-terminal, mousepad, orage, libreoffice-gtk, dbus-x11, xsane, vlc, quodlibet, evince-gtk | evince, tango-icon-theme, network-manager-gnome, synaptic, iceweasel, libreoffice, libreoffice-help-en-us, mythes-en-us, hunspell-en-us, hyphen-en-us, system-config-printer, gnome-orca. |
| 12:40.29 | jelly | yeah, it's there |
| 12:41.16 | TheSHAD0W | jelly: Did a search in synaptic, didn't find it... |
| 12:41.29 | TheSHAD0W | Well, it didn't find anything, so, hum. |
| 12:41.45 | jelly | TheSHAD0W: it ought to be already installed, is it not? |
| 12:41.48 | TheSHAD0W | Do I need to add wildcards to the search? |
| 12:42.07 | jelly | TheSHAD0W: pastebin the output of "dpkg -l libc6 iceweasel task-xfce-desktop" |
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| 12:42.41 | TheSHAD0W | Pastebin without a webbrowser isn't all that easy. :-P |
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| 12:42.54 | jelly | TheSHAD0W: or paste the last three lines in here |
| 12:43.19 | jelly | or just try to run "iceweasel &" in a different terminal |
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| 12:43.36 | jelly | !pastebinit |
| 12:43.53 | jelly | dselect: pastebinit |
| 12:43.53 | dselect | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 12:44.13 | TheSHAD0W | I'm not irc-ing from that device. |
| 12:44.20 | TheSHAD0W | It shows iceweasel as "un". |
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| 12:46.02 | jelly | TheSHAD0W: ah, that's weird. Install it, then. is task-xfce-desktop installed at all? |
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| 12:46.16 | TheSHAD0W | Yes, it is. |
| 12:46.32 | TheSHAD0W | 3.31+deb8u1. |
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| 12:47.06 | TheSHAD0W | apt-get install iceweasel <- correct? |
| 12:47.11 | jelly | yes |
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| 12:47.40 | catbehemoth | jelly: how can I do that? I am trying to run x11vnc with systemd can I add something in it to make sure it boots after gdm? like wantedby=gdm? |
| 12:48.32 | TheSHAD0W | "Package iceweasel is not available, but is referred to by another package..." |
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| 12:50.54 | jelly | catbehemoth: no idea how that's actually done, I'm almost totally clueless about systemd units |
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| 12:51.10 | TheSHAD0W | Maybe my archive server list is borked? |
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| 12:51.22 | TomTomTosch | TheSHAD0W: you have no internet connection and only cd1? |
| 12:51.26 | jelly | TheSHAD0W: it sounds like your sources are incomplete, apparently that happens sometimes after an install without network |
| 12:51.36 | TheSHAD0W | Yoy. |
| 12:51.42 | jelly | dselect: tell TheSHAD0W about jessie sources.list |
| 12:51.47 | TheSHAD0W | TY |
| 12:52.07 | ArtooDetoo | Hey, does anyone know why there is no snmptrapd in wheezy? |
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| 12:54.27 | jelly | ArtooDetoo: um... I have it. snmpd: /usr/sbin/snmptrapd |
| 12:55.07 | jelly | ii snmpd 5.4.3~dfsg-2.8+deb7u1 amd64 SNMP (Simple Network Management |
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| 12:55.43 | ArtooDetoo | so it's included in snmpd? |
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| 12:56.06 | ArtooDetoo | oh, just found out, I have to enable it in /etc/default/snmpd |
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| 12:58.02 | TheSHAD0W | Yup, sources file was borked. |
| 12:58.23 | icantthinkofsome | hey. Nouveau cannot detect my GTX960, although it is supposed to be supported. Is it supported only on SID maybe? |
| 12:58.51 | icantthinkofsome | dmesg says unknown chipset |
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| 13:00.44 | jelly | icantthinkofsome: try grabbing the backported kernel, for a start. |
| 13:00.53 | jelly | dselect, tell icantthinkofsome about bdo kernel |
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| 13:01.29 | jelly | dselect, tell icantthinkofsome about jessie backports |
| 13:01.46 | icantthinkofsome | thanks. is the backports kernel stable enough? |
| 13:02.13 | icantthinkofsome | or is it just the SID |
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| 13:03.26 | jelly | you'll have to be the judge on how stable it is on your hw setup |
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| 13:04.02 | icantthinkofsome | maybe i should just man up and go sid all the way] |
| 13:04.04 | jim | icantthinkofsome, it's possible to view the bug reports for it... you'd get a better, more specific idea abut what its perceived stability is |
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| 13:04.49 | jim | icantthinkofsome, you'd open yourself to a lot of problems that way |
| 13:04.53 | TheSHAD0W | Updating other packages before installing iceweasel. I'm getting a lot of warnings about gtk2 not being installed. Because this is the xfce version? |
| 13:05.52 | jelly | TheSHAD0W: it would be nice if you could pastebin the actual output |
| 13:05.59 | jim | debian might not have a different iceweasel per de |
| 13:06.39 | icantthinkofsome | why dselect suggests using aptitude instead of apt-get ? |
| 13:07.03 | jim | aptitude is a little better at resolving deps |
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| 13:07.34 | icantthinkofsome | i have been using apt-get since forever :o |
| 13:07.36 | icantthinkofsome | what about apt? |
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| 13:07.45 | mipo | hi there |
| 13:07.47 | jim | dunno |
| 13:07.48 | mipo | there is no way to cancel HDD format process that make no problem for that HDD? |
| 13:07.53 | jelly | icantthinkofsome: it doesn't really matter |
| 13:08.05 | themill | !wb |
| 13:08.05 | dpkg | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
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| 13:09.07 | icantthinkofsome | thanks.. and a last question.. if i leave backports in my sources, nothing will be received from there unless i explicitly specify, right? |
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| 13:10.11 | jelly | yes, that's right icantthinkofsome |
| 13:10.32 | icantthinkofsome | thank you. Onto the uncertainty train i go now |
| 13:10.35 | icantthinkofsome | have a nice day |
| 13:10.37 | jelly | you only get upgrades from jessie-backports for stuff you explicitely installed from jessie-bacports once |
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| 13:11.11 | jim | mipo, has the format happened yet? |
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| 13:12.49 | TheSHAD0W | Iceweasel is working now, thank you jelly. |
| 13:12.50 | mipo | jim: it's in process yet. I just can see udisksd process in top command. |
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| 13:12.56 | TheSHAD0W | I'll play with this thing more later. |
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| 13:14.05 | mipo | jim: and I want to shutdown my computer but it need root password. |
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| 13:18.14 | lovezrs | TomTomTosch: Hah,I am back~ |
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| 13:19.06 | TomTomTosch | oh no! uhm, hello, i mean :3 |
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| 13:22.04 | thms__ | Hi. I just done a dpkg -l | grep package and I want to keep all those pâckage in a list, to feed to apt-get install on another server |
| 13:22.07 | thms__ | how can I do that ? |
| 13:22.10 | cmtptr | hi, wmii fails to load any xft fonts unless I install libxft-dev. I'm new to debian and don't know how things are done here; is this considered normal, or should I open a bug? |
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| 13:22.42 | cmtptr | thms__, you might want apt-mark showmanual |
| 13:23.49 | TomTomTosch | thms__: you can use dpkg --get-selections > somefile; dpkg --set-selections < somefile; |
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| 13:24.43 | cmtptr | oh, that's cool |
| 13:24.52 | themill | !aptitude clone |
| 13:24.52 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
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| 13:25.56 | themill | cmtptr: there shouldn't be anything helpful in that -dev package for wmii |
| 13:26.26 | jim | mipo, and you don't have the root passwd? |
| 13:26.59 | cmtptr | themill, well, without it there's no symlink libXft.so -> libXft.so.2.3.2, and wmii fails to load any xft fonts. I'll open a bug, thanks |
| 13:27.13 | themill | that symlink shouldn't be needed |
| 13:27.30 | themill | (both from a policy perspective and also from a technical one) |
| 13:27.49 | cmtptr | well, for some reason it is |
| 13:28.34 | babilen | cmtptr: wmii is (sadly) not being developed anymore (unless I missed its resurrection) |
| 13:28.54 | cmtptr | you are correct, it isn't. but I presume its package is still maintained by debian |
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| 13:29.19 | babilen | It has not yet been removed, yes |
| 13:29.22 | jelly | still has xv installed |
| 13:29.31 | thms__ | TomTomTosch, it doesnt work.. |
| 13:29.39 | thms__ | themill, thanks |
| 13:29.53 | themill | wmii doesn't even link against libxft |
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| 13:30.34 | jelly | maybe it dlopen()s |
| 13:31.28 | cmtptr | that would make sense why it can find libXft.so but not libXft.so.x.y.z |
| 13:31.52 | themill | libxft = dlopen("libXft.so", RTLD_LAZY); |
| 13:32.24 | jelly | !win me |
| 13:32.25 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 13:32.27 | themill | (it is wrapped in a conditional that should allow it to work without, but meh) |
| 13:32.45 | cmtptr | it does work without it. it just doesn't load xft fonts |
| 13:33.04 | TomTomTosch | thms__: it does. needs an apt-get dselect-upgrade afterwards, which i forgot. it's in the debian handbook. the other approach looks better though. |
| 13:33.08 | themill | ack |
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| 13:33.40 | themill | cmtptr: sounds like that package should be recommended or the dlopen fixed to be less silly |
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| 13:44.05 | nadeem | please help |
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| 13:44.48 | nadeem | when i write " man man" i get text scattered over srceen , cannot read the manpage properly |
| 13:45.30 | nadeem | but from tty terminals its organized , from gnome-terminal scattered text |
| 13:45.42 | nadeem | please help |
| 13:46.29 | Stummi | nadeem, what does "echo $TERM" say in your gnome terminal? |
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| 13:47.17 | nadeem | xterm |
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| 13:48.16 | nadeem | @stummi |
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| 13:49.37 | Stummi | hm, works for me |
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| 13:50.50 | Stummi | nadeem, does it work within a "bash -n" instance in gnome-terminal (type "bash -n", than gnome-terminal) |
| 13:51.01 | Stummi | erm *type bash -n, than man man |
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| 13:51.08 | Stummi | and no private queries, please |
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| 13:52.39 | icantthinkofsome | i installed the jessie-backports kernel in order to get nouveau support for my card, but it doesn't seem to work and i will opt for the proprietary driver from said backports. I cannot install it due to broken packages. Should i remove the backports kernel and install the drivers, or can i somehow get the new drivers for my backports kernel? |
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| 13:52.49 | icantthinkofsome | and which would be preferred? :D |
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| 13:53.31 | nadeem | @stummi what command to type |
| 13:53.47 | Stummi | nadeem, what I just told you |
| 13:53.52 | Stummi | bash -n, than man man |
| 13:54.12 | nadeem | @stummi where should i write this |
| 13:54.27 | Stummi | in your gnome-terminal. Can you try thinking for yourself, please? |
| 13:55.27 | nadeem | @ stummi i get no output |
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| 13:56.44 | Stummi | okay, so you did something wrong |
| 13:57.22 | icantthinkofsome | well, lets try another question. If i apt-get remove the backports kernel, will everything be fine? |
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| 13:58.03 | nadeem | @stummi when i wrote in gnome-terminal "bash -n" it showed me "bash-4.3$ " |
| 13:58.24 | Stummi | nadeem, fine, and what happened when you wrote man man after that? |
| 13:58.33 | Stummi | you had no output? |
| 13:58.39 | nadeem | @stummi no output |
| 13:59.09 | nadeem | @stummi yes no output |
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| 13:59.42 | nadeem | @stummi it doesnt accept any command now |
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| 14:00.13 | Stummi | nadeem, can you paste what you see to paste.debian.net? |
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| 14:00.59 | themill | did you want --norc not -n? |
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| 14:03.15 | Stummi | themill, huh? thats not the same? My bad |
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| 14:03.58 | nadeem | @stummi check this http://paste.debian.net/443996/ |
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| 14:04.31 | Stummi | nadeem, as themill said, try bash --norc instead of -n |
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| 14:05.11 | icantthinkofsome | i booted in the old kernel, and did "apt-get -t jessie-backports -remove linux-image-amd64" and "apt-get remove --purge linux-image-.....bpo.1-amd64" |
| 14:05.15 | icantthinkofsome | is this a good move? |
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| 14:05.33 | themill | Stummi: I don't see -n in bash(1) except in the context of not executing commands |
| 14:05.37 | nadeem | @stummi same scattered text |
| 14:05.55 | themill | (sh -n was once upon a time for syntax checking) |
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| 14:06.17 | Stummi | nadeem, thats strange. Maybe your terminfo is broken or something? Does it happen with a fresh gnome-terminal as well? |
| 14:06.38 | nadeem | @stummi but when i type "man man | less " its in organized manner |
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| 14:07.09 | Stummi | nadeem, can you try "TERM=dumb man man"? |
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| 14:09.15 | nadeem | @stummi shows "terminal not fully functional " and when i press enter after that displays in organized manner |
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| 14:09.36 | nadeem | @stummi in simpler terms works fine on that |
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| 14:10.26 | Stummi | nadeem, which debian version do you have? |
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| 14:11.03 | nadeem | @stummi jessie |
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| 14:11.39 | jak2000 | hi all, i have a extra Hard drive connected, to my system, how to detect it? |
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| 14:12.00 | nadeem | @stummi what to do now |
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| 14:12.38 | Stummi | nadeem, don't know sorry. As said it sounds pretty much like a broken terminfo to me, but I have no idea how this could happen |
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| 14:14.16 | nadeem | please help !!!!!!when i write " man man" i get text scattered over srceen , cannot read the manpage properly , but when "man man | less" it works fine |
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| 14:14.47 | themill | a screenshot might help |
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| 14:17.16 | Paddy | hello. i have a "AMD A6-7400K Radeon R5" system with problems regarding the display of videos |
| 14:17.31 | Paddy | how should i go about finding a solution? |
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| 14:41.47 | ghoti | What's a quick and easy way to connect a relay which I'll control from a shell script, with minimal extra hardware? I've got a free serial port -- could I attach something to DTR, and toggle that using `stty` perhaps? |
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| 14:42.14 | ghoti | Hmm. Is DTR, or RTS a better way to power a relay from a serial port? What can I toggle most easily from shell? |
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| 14:44.20 | nadeem | please help |
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| 14:44.59 | nadeem | i get scattered text "man grep" for manpages but "man grep | less " works fine |
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| 14:45.33 | nadeem | here is the snapshot http://paste.debian.net/444040/ |
| 14:46.03 | nadeem | i get unreadable texts |
| 14:46.41 | nadeem | please help anybody here |
| 14:46.55 | ghoti | nadeem: I get an "Entry not found" at the URL you posted. Does this happen on new terminals, or only in a terminal that you've been using for a while? |
| 14:47.17 | jhutchins | nadeem: Try typing man: grep into the address field of your web browser. |
| 14:47.40 | ghoti | jhutchins: that may get him the documentation, but doesn't fix his underlying terminal problem.. |
| 14:47.49 | nadeem | @ghoti for gnome terminal |
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| 14:48.19 | ghoti | nadeem: what are you looking for -- a solution to the corrupt terminal output, or the documentation for `grep`? |
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| 14:48.53 | nadeem | @jhutchins i get scatterred text on gnome-terminal , its awful when i am working with g++ and errors are scatterd over the screen |
| 14:49.12 | nadeem | @ghoti solution to terminal |
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| 14:50.45 | ghoti | nadeem: as a quick fix, you might try running GNU Screen inside gnome-terminal. Screen often masks other terminal emulation problems. |
| 14:51.22 | nadeem | @ghoti how |
| 14:51.36 | ghoti | nadeem: other than that, I'd check to see if your shell's startup scripts set your TERM variable to something. Most likely, you should leave such variables alone. |
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| 14:52.09 | ghoti | nadeem: in your terminal, type "screen" and hit Enter. If you get a "command not found" error, then use your package manager to install screen. |
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| 14:52.37 | teraflops | nadeem: what does say echo $TERM there? |
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| 14:55.01 | nadeem | @terflops xterm |
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