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00:00.19tharkunawal1: You are not my average user. But thanks for the pat on the back I'll poke at this machine tomorrow morning and see what happens. The others will have to wait. Thanks a lot for your time and your understanding.
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00:00.41awal1several desktop means several machines or several  virtual desktops ?
00:00.42Menance_They should of renamed LightDM to HardDM on April Fools
00:00.52tharkunawal1: several machines.
00:00.59markyboboh
00:01.08markybobtharkun: then you have nothing to worry about
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00:02.32Menance_There needs to be a lava lamp simulator in terminal
00:02.32Menance_would be a great program
00:02.32Menance_and then you could pipe it with fortune and the lava lamp would tell your fortune
00:02.32Menance_just a thought
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00:04.47awal1tharkun, me not an average user? hohoho, I'm a real newbie...
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00:09.57freeone3000Alright, it looks like the package from unstable is the most recent one that's in-sync with EL7. Thanks.
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00:10.12auwooohi close this channel
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00:10.26auwoooi tune to astaraos
00:10.34auwoooyou'r pc
00:10.37auwoooas a deal
00:10.44markybob19:10 < auwooo> i tune to astara
00:10.49auwooofor free
00:10.52markybobdamn that didn't work out
00:11.24auwoooLinux dhcppc0 4.6.0-0.rc3.git0.1.fc25.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Apr 11 14:03:25 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
00:11.34auwooodidn't work you say
00:11.38markybobauwooo: go away before you get banned
00:11.41auwoooare you fucking me
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00:45.33tharkunmarkybob: read the full bug report. Well it is a political isue more than a technical one. An expirable free license. Damn I hadn't heard of it before. Same thing happend with ion IIRC. I believe that somekind of protection for upstream should be in place on every distribution so people do what they are best at. "No one can do everything all the time." Marcus Aurelius.
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00:57.54ryoumai keep getting "msmtp: TLS handshake failed: The TLS connection was non-properly terminated."  is this a client issue (i.e. a debian issue) or a server issue?
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01:17.38jmcnaughtryouma: have you tried making it more verbose?
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01:56.36ryoumajmcnaught: good idea.  actually it is not exhibiting the bug, despite having done so all day.
01:56.49ryoumadunno if --debug did that or not
01:58.21jmcnaughtryouma: you can use openssl s_client or gnutls-cli to test a server using SSL or STARTTLS
01:59.09abrotmanswaks is a good tool to test email
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02:08.07buddybenjWhy has my Debian bootup time gotten so much longer?
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02:08.53buddybenjIt used to take like 1-2 seconds and now it gives me tons of messages and spends like 5 seconds between each message.
02:09.04buddybenjIs there anyway to fix that?
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02:10.00buddybenjI don't really care about what it has to tell me, so if disabling the messages will save 15 seconds of boot time, I will do it.
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02:25.34awal1buddybenj, which kind of messages?
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02:29.25buddybenjit will tell me things like my graphics card requires non-free drivers. It also repeatedly tells me that something which I don't care about failed. I forgot what it is called.
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02:34.30buddybenjawal1: I forgot to nameflash just in case you keep it minimized.
02:35.11awal1buddybenj, run, as regular user, "dmesg", dmesg | grep -i failed, systemctl --failed   and you should get all those errors in your terminal
02:35.33awal1nameflash?
02:36.23buddybenjI don't see it when I grep. Maybe I'll just reboot and tell you what it is.
02:37.04buddybenjSome programs with flash with a notification when someone mentions your name which is useful if your IRC program is minimized.
02:37.10buddybenjbrb I'll reboot
02:37.28awal1systemctl --failed  have 0 output?
02:37.35awal1no need to reboot
02:37.45awal1check the whole dmesg output
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02:39.01martarozaHow to enable microphone and audio in front of the computer?
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02:39.47buddybenjawali1: ata2: COMRESET failed
02:40.14awal1I use hexchat and it displays an "!" in the systemtray icon if some one talk to you in irc, buddybenj
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02:40.57martarozaanyone?
02:41.57buddybenjNow that I think about it, I guess nameflash doesn't mean anything on GNOME since it doesn't have a dock. But on desktop environments with a dock, the hexchat icon will flash.
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02:43.11buddybenjawal1: So is there a way to disable those messages?
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02:45.08martarozahow enable frontal audio and microphone?
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02:46.36awal1buddybenj, similar erros surpasses my knowledge, sorry  https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=ata2%20comreset%20failed
02:47.26LtLbuddybenj: type /set then hit enter in the main window of hexchat, there are about 600 plus settings, one or more should do what you want.
02:47.57buddybenjLtL: I know, I was just explaining to him what nameflash meant.
02:48.10buddybenjawal1: All right. Thanks anywar.
02:48.15buddybenjanyway
02:48.24LtLbuddybenj: oh, sorry my mistake
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02:52.35martarozaI try alsamixer, but not work
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02:53.20martarozaPorts: analog-input-front-mic: Front Microphone (priority: 8500, not available)
02:53.20martarozaanalog-input-rear-mic: Rear Microphone (priority: 8200, not available)
02:53.20martarozaanalog-input-linein: Line In (priority: 8100, not available)
02:53.20martarozaActive Port: analog-input-linein
02:53.20martarozaFormats:
02:53.20martarozapcm
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02:54.25martarozars
02:55.50abrotman!paste
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03:04.47buddybenjIs there any way to fix write faults on my HDD?
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03:20.08ryoumabuddybenj: yes there is an excelleng guide.  let me find it.
03:20.21ryoumawell by yes i mean ... just check it out
03:20.58ryoumahttp://www.smartmontools.org/browser/trunk/www/badblockhowto.xml
03:21.03ryoumabest guide i found
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03:37.41kingsleyHow would you copy an entire bootable USB thumb drive to a (.iso?) file that can be booted?
03:38.57markybobkingsley: cp image.iso /dev/sdX (not /dev/sdX1)
03:39.47kingsleymarkybob: Yes, but I have /dev/sdX and need image.iso. Would ...
03:39.57markybobkingsley: oh. sudo dd if=/dev/sdx of=/path/to/new.iso
03:39.57kingsleycp /dev/sdx image.iso
03:40.00kingsleywork?
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03:43.53kingsleymarkybob: I'm trying dd...
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04:05.26kingsleymarkybob: I found web pages that also suggested using dd, and I followed your suggestion.
04:05.55kingsleyUnfortunately, when I try to boot from the .iso, qemu complains with ...
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04:06.53kingsley"Could not read CDROM (code 0005)
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04:06.56TheQuestionmarkAdded a new SSD to my rig the day before yesterday, now I want to use a 16g partition on this device as swap partition since my OS's SSD is too small. How can I do that?
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04:07.41jml2TheQuestionmark, good way to deteriorate your ssd is to use swap on it
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04:09.23TheQuestionmarkjml2: So? Well... $HOME is placed on a 2T HDD. Question is then, how can I use a swap-file on this one? I suppose it has to be 16G if I have a system with 8G of RAM.
04:10.06jmcnaughtkingsley: Debian iso images are special hybrids that can be copied to a block device like a flash drive. not all ISO images are like this
04:10.49jmcnaughtis it still true that SSDs wear out quickly if you write to them too much? I thought newer ones were rated for ridiculous amounts of writes per day
04:12.32kingsleyjmcnaught: Hmmm... that's interesting. Maybe MicroSoft's data on the flash drive was not in Debian's iso format.
04:13.13jmcnaughtkingsley: what bootable flash drive is this?
04:13.31kingsleyjmcnaught: Thanks for asking. It
04:13.49kingsleyIt's a Windows 10 install.
04:13.58jml2TheQuestionmark, you can use gparted live iso, and shrink the ext2/3/4 filesystem to then add a swap partition
04:14.27jmcnaughtkingsley: it's most likely not specially prepared to be a hybrid ISO like the debian images are, but you could maybe ask in ##windows about it
04:14.33jml2TheQuestionmark, if you don't mind over-abusing an ssd drive then nobody is stopping you from using the ssd...
04:14.48jml2TheQuestionmark, "depending" on how much it is really used of course
04:15.10kingsleyjmcnaught: Yes, I agree.
04:15.20TheQuestionmarkWell, I need the swap for hibernation which absolutely doesn't work for me if I wanna keep all my daily used tools open.
04:15.44TheQuestionmarkSame for suspend.
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04:17.38jml2TheQuestionmark, you'll also need to update the initrd, there should be something on the wiki (  apt-get install --reinstall initramfs-tools https://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation  --- I suppose it might be possible to just use update-initramfs -u -k all)
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04:18.26jml2TheQuestionmark, (this one looks more updated https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend )
04:19.15jml2TheQuestionmark, when you add the swap to /etc/fstab, you should use the UUID (and not /dev/sdN) (you can use blkid to list UUID)
04:19.47jml2jmcnaught, ssd's get more deteriorated without trim support
04:20.11jml2jmcnaught, i don't think there's such as trim over swap
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04:21.47TheQuestionmarkI'll keep your words in a textfile to check this after I'm done with work for today.
04:21.59jmcnaughthttps://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization  <--- some SSDs don't do discard/TRIM at all in Linux
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04:25.35jmcnaughtjml2: apparently there is, swapon(8) has a --discard option, can also be used in fstab
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05:21.19ryoumai have updated to the backports jessie kernel to fix instability, but now smart is not working on an external drive.  i get "Read Device Identity failed: scsi error unsupported field in scsi command".
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05:22.21ryouma(also, the /dev/disk/by-id designation keeps changing from kernel to kernel for some reason, but that's just a symlink so it seems unrelated.  still why does it do that?)
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06:21.01lancelot_ofI have to run a program which need libmpi.so.12 as dependency, but it seems it is not on my debian jessie: cannot open shared object file, any suggestion?
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06:21.42somiajlancelot_of: you could use apt-file to search for that libary. Does the program say what versio of the libary it needs?
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06:24.25somiajlancelot_of: the versions I'm seenig in jessie don't sem to match the version you are linking. But there are various libmpi.so.foo libaries.
06:24.29lancelot_ofsomiaj, http://paste.debian.net/432669/
06:24.39themilllancelot_of: there are a few things that go by the name 'mpi'; libmpich12 might be what you need
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06:25.29lancelot_ofthemill, so can I create a symbolic link to libmpich12 in the dir where is the executable?
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06:25.50themillthe current directory is not in the LD_LIBRARY_PATH by default
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06:26.47themillbut really, you should you back to whomever gave you this thing and ask which mpi implementation it is supposed to use and ask them for the source to build it
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06:34.12lancelot_ofok thanks
06:34.16lancelot_ofhave a nice day
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06:50.53ch`bThe recent samba-libs (4.2) update in jessie pulls in a depedency for the samba server package. Anyone ideas if this is intentional or a bug?
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06:54.14somiajch`b: I'm looking at the samba-libs package and not seeing the depends relation. Are you sure that is the package at fault?
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06:54.57somiajch`b: also what is this 4.2 version your talking about, I see 4.1.17 in jessie
06:55.02somiaj,v samba-libs
06:55.02juddPackage: samba-libs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u1; stretch: 2:4.3.6+dfsg-1; sid: 2:4.3.7+dfsg-1; experimental: 2:4.4.1+dfsg-1
06:55.17somiajoh nevermind, my cache is outdated
06:55.29msnsamba4 is 4.2 in jessie for sure
06:55.57ch`bexactly, the recent security update: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/samba-libs
06:56.02ch`bdepends on "samba"
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06:57.52themillch`b: that dependency should be fixed soon; there are some other issues with the package that are being worked on at the same time
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06:59.08ch`bthemill: you mean there is no need to report a bug on that?
06:59.17themillalready done
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06:59.53ch`bfine :-)
07:00.03speialIs there a way to issue a kill command and wait until it succeeded?
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07:03.29Stummispeial, in  shell script you can use wait to wait for its own children to stop
07:04.15speialScripts have children? The programs started from the script?
07:04.24Stummiif the process you want to wait for is not your own child you are out of luck. You could check if its alive with "kill -0 $pid" regulary, but that error prone depending on how fast PIDs are recycled by the OS
07:04.51speialStummi: I want to create script that runs vinagre over ssh.
07:04.52Stummispeial, yes, if you start something from the script its the scripts child
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07:05.33speialSomething like "ssh -L ... vinagre 127.0.0.1 ... kill ssh ... wait for ssh to die ..."
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07:05.49speialAll I have to do is put "wait" at the end?
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07:06.25Stummi"kill ssh" will kill all your ssh processes, not only the one you invoked
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07:06.57Stummi"ssh ...... & sshPid=$!; kill $sshPid; wait $sshPid"
07:07.03Stummianyway that kinda smells like XY to me
07:07.28jmcnaughtdoesn't vinagre already support SSH?
07:07.39StummiI don't know what vinagre is
07:07.58jmcnaughtit's a VNC client, part of gnome
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07:08.14speialjmcnaught: I don't think it supports it.
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07:09.57jmcnaughtspeial: i don't use it because i don't have a use for VNC, but it's installed here on my jessie desktop, and if I go to Remote > Connect, SSH is one of the protocol options
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07:10.24speialjmcnaught: let me try...
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07:10.34StummiI don't think it meens "tunnel over ssh" but "use ssh X forwarding"
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07:10.43Stummibut I am just guessing here
07:10.58speialI never started it via X. Always via the shell...
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07:11.56speialStummi: choosing "ssh" lands me in a shell.
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07:12.17speialLooks like vinagre can act like an ssh shell.#
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07:12.28Stummiso, its just a ssh client then
07:12.29speialBut I need vnc via ssh.
07:12.43jmcnaughti guess i misundertood, sorry for the noise
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07:12.44Stummi(why ever people think dedicated ssh client guis are a good idea)
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07:13.40`z"ssh -NL PORT:localhost:PORT your.server.tld", then fire up Vinagre?
07:13.51speialz: i do that already.
07:14.06speialI want to put it in a script that kills ssh afterwards.
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07:14.33jmcnaughtoh wait, it does seem to have "use host  ____ as a ssh tunnel", if running vinagre locally works for you
07:14.36speialStummi: So the whole command would be like this? ssh ...... & sshPid=$!; vinagre; kill $sshPid; wait $sshPid
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07:15.15Stummilooks fine to me
07:15.36speialjmcnaught: oh.. yes it has that... not quite sure how to use it.
07:16.01Stummiits possible that the ssh tunnel is not ready in the moment vinagre is invoked.
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07:16.14Stummiyou have to see if it can work with this
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07:19.40speialStummi: Yeah, seems not to be available. Add a sleep command?
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07:20.19speialStrange, that does not work either.
07:20.22Stummispeial, its not nice but it should work
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07:21.29speialThe ssh command seems to hang because it asks for a password but i never see the prompt.
07:21.54speialI even have to kill it with -9 to get rid of it.
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07:23.10Stummispeial, you probably want ssh -N -f - though I am not sure how to kill that when you are done, I would look for a ssh config option for that
07:23.31speialStummi: I do that. That's not the problem.
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07:23.47speialThe problem is this: & pid=$!
07:23.54speialWhen I add that, I don't see the password prompt.
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07:24.03Stummispeial, -f will fork into background itself, you won't have the correct pid after that
07:24.14Stummispeial, use ssh keys
07:24.26han-solowouldn't the commadn require &&?
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07:24.40han-solojust & won't put it into background? :/
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07:26.58Stummihan-solo, huh?
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07:27.16Stummi& puts a command in a background, && is a boolean operator in bash. Two completely different things
07:27.19Stummis/bash/sh
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07:27.57speialWhy is the password prompt hidden when it goes into background?
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07:28.05han-soloyeah, i though you wanted the ssh command and to have a variable with pid set
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07:28.34speialhan-solo: That's what I want.
07:28.55speialBut the ssh has to run in the background. It is used by the following commands.
07:29.02speialAnyone with an idea how to solve it?
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07:29.36han-soloyeah, sorry
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07:29.56Stummispeial, yes don't use passwords, but ssh-keys
07:30.08speialI knew somebody would say that.
07:30.16Stummiso, why did you ask?
07:30.22speialI did not ask that.
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07:31.03Stummispeial, & puts your command into background, meaning it disconnects from your tty. So you can't set the password
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07:31.27speialOh, ssh's -f parameter might be the solution.
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07:32.31speialHmm.. does not work.
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07:33.20speialpretty strange.
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07:34.26speialI fire this: "ssh -f ...;pid=$1;sleep 2; vinagre 127.0.0.1:1; kill $pid; wait $pid"
07:34.43speialEverything works, but then I get: bash: kill: (4197) - No such process
07:34.54speialBut 4197 is not the pid of ssh.
07:35.16speialWhy does it get a wrong pid?
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07:35.36speial(I fire this: "ssh -f ...;pid=$!;sleep 2; vinagre 127.0.0.1:1; kill $pid; wait $pid")
07:36.06speialDoes ssh's -f fuck up the pid?
07:36.13jellyssh client likely forks and execs when -f is used
07:36.17speialjelly: yup
07:36.42jellymuch like a daemon
07:36.52speialIs there a way to get the pid?
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07:39.54speial"pidof ssh" returns the correct id. But is that pure luck that it gets the right one?
07:39.59jellyspeial: google suggests using a control socket to control that particular ssh client instead of guessing pid.
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07:40.11jellyeg. last answer here # http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/100859/ssh-tunnel-without-shell-on-ssh-server
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07:40.44jellyhttp://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/100859/ssh-tunnel-without-shell-on-ssh-server#comment428944_156813 to be precise
07:40.50junkatowndoes installing init system makes my system unsupported since its not the default?
07:41.00jellyjunkatown: no
07:41.25jellyjunkatown: if you installed something from official debian repos for the release you installed, it's supported
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07:41.58speialjelly: Interesting. Does that still mean one ssh command to start the tunnel or is it two now?
07:42.17junkatownjelly: are service profiles shipped for all init systems?
07:42.28jellyjunkatown: if you installed it from someplace else, like a third party repo or different distro, or a newer debian release, then you enter unsupported theory
07:42.54jellys/theory/land/
07:43.04jellyjunkatown: definitely not.
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07:43.12junkatowni havent installed it yet, i wanna know whats ahead
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07:44.09jellyjunkatown: eg. most don't ship stuff for upstart or lesser known init replacements, and have to rely on sysvinit compat if there's any
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07:44.20speialjelly: The suggested "ssh -S /tmp/test -o exit" gives me "command-line: line 0: Bad configuration option: exit"
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07:44.45speialI guess I will go with the pidof solution and hope for the best.
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07:45.14jellyspeial: you probably want to RTFM what an option does before blindly trying stuff from the internet?
07:45.20junkatownjelly: how can i check that
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07:46.09jellyjunkatown: you'd have to look at the contents of packages providing each service you care about
07:46.44speialIt seem ssh's -f creates a process that is not child of the script. So you cannot wait for it. Damn.
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07:47.48speialHow can you wait as long as a certain pid is still active?
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07:48.41junkatownjelly: thanks, so service.upstart is for upstart, service.init is for sysvinit?
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07:49.04speialI'm not good with bash, but it should be something like this: while kill -0 $pid > /dev/null 2>&1; do; done;
07:49.37speialAnybody familiar with bash who knows the correct syntax?
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07:50.24jellyjunkatown: that doesn't look right.  If you care about a particular init system you should probably figure out where its config goes.  For sysvinit that's /etc/init.d/
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07:55.19speialI kind of finished my vnc over ssh oneliner. the beast looks like this now: ssh -L 5901:localhost:5901 -N -f $host; vinagre 127.0.0.1:1; pid=`pidof ssh`; kill $pid; while kill -0 $pid > /dev/null 2>&1; do sleep 1; done;
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07:55.44jellyjunkatown: knowing how a non-default component works is not an unreasonable requirement if you, well, want to use it
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07:56.26jellyspeial: just be sure to only ever have one ssh client running on that machine!
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07:56.55speialjelly: there are multiple running. but so far, it always killed the right one :)
07:57.01matuHi.
07:57.04jelly/o\
07:57.19matuAre you using vmplayer ? I can not uninstall it anymore. It looks like a bug :
07:57.21matuhttps://communities.vmware.com/message/2589188#2589188
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07:58.11matuIt says that vmware player is not an installed product when i try to remove it by using vmware-installer but it says it is installed when i try to install vmware workstation...
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07:58.22jellyspeial: pgrep can give you a finer selection of processes than pidof, and with -x or -f options to give it part or the whole command line instead of just the process name
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07:58.59speialjelly: yes, thats a good idea!
07:59.11jellyspeial: and it has a sister command pkill
07:59.18speialjelly: awesome!
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08:14.02MurciLeedoes anyone know how's it going about changing name from icedove to thunderbird like firefox?
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08:15.41bdog7MurciLee, what are you talking about?
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08:17.21MurciLeebdog7: like iceweasel change it's name to firefox, I heard icedove also will change it's name to thunderbird
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08:17.31MurciLeei was wondering when is it going to be
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08:18.34bdog7Debian Jessie has icedove and iceweasel...... yes which are rebranded firefox and thunderbird, are you saying it's changed in testing?
08:19.08MurciLeei'm on debian sid and yes for firefox but not thunderbird yet
08:19.35bdog7I see, you might try #debian-next
08:19.43avblooks like mozilla allowed debian to use original branding in their packages
08:19.43MurciLeeoh
08:19.48MurciLeethank you
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08:20.10bdog7seems they set invite only currently though
08:20.18MurciLeeyeah...
08:20.24jmcnaught#debian-next is on irc.oftc.net
08:20.26MurciLeeit says i need to be invited
08:20.43bdog7try later
08:20.59MurciLeeis there some tracking sites for that? the rebranding about icedove
08:21.00bdog7oh
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08:21.42jmcnaughthttps://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006
08:21.43juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/815006 in iceweasel (open): «Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-02-17; last modified: 2016-04-06.
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08:22.49MurciLeethank you
08:22.57MurciLeehttps://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=816679
08:22.58juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/816679 in icedove (open): «icedove: Please rename icedove to thunderbird»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-03-03; last modified: 2016-04-11.
08:23.03MurciLeefor just if someone needs
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08:23.45cynicallemonrenaming mozilla products wont matter the way moz is going at the minute
08:24.38mavhqhttps://glandium.org/blog/?p=3622
08:24.45ToeSnacksIs there an alternative mail client as feature rich as Thunderbird?
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08:25.16jmcnaughtevolution and kmail are two
08:25.33ToeSnacksoh right I forgot about evolution
08:25.35ToeSnacksthanks
08:25.48MurciLeeToeSnacks: i'm trying to stick with geary for mail and pidgin for irc
08:26.14cynicallemonToeSnacks, also claws
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08:28.14ToeSnacksAre there any good break downs of the major differenced between Ubuntu and Debian? I mean more core elements not fluff like Unity vs Gnome and the like.
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08:29.40ToeSnacksI use ubuntu server for everything because it's what I used first but everything it is seems to just be a downstream copy of debian and I want to know and sticking points if I start trying to transition
08:29.57ToeSnacks*any
08:30.08futex_Anyone have try to install cuda on jessie? How you have do it?
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08:30.34ToeSnacksand I apologize if that is a common and infuriating question
08:33.02jmcnaughtToeSnacks: Not really comparisons, but there are https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian and https://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian . Debian has a Social Contract which is pretty rad, and a focus on quality (releases when ready, not on a deadline). In my experience Ubuntu has a lot of polish on the areas it's focused on, but stuff in universe is sometimes not that great (because it's a snapshot taken from Deb
08:33.08jmcnaughtian unstable) whereas the quality in ...
08:33.10jmcnaught... Debian is more consistent in all packages.
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08:35.53ToeSnackssid is almost a rolling release right?
08:36.01cynicallemonit is
08:36.26ToeSnackswould it be considered more or less stable than arch?
08:37.12cynicallemongenerally more because arch are quicker to release
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08:38.14ToeSnackswhat about general usage stuff? I head that in debian you generally elevate to root to do things as opposed to sudo with ubuntu
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08:38.41cynicallemonwell the old su verses sudo debate
08:38.56ToeSnacksI am not versed on that debate at all
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08:39.13ToeSnacksI have always used sudo because that's how I started
08:39.25cynicallemoneither is fine
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08:39.36ToeSnacksare there arguments againts?
08:39.42jmcnaughtsudo is available in Debian, and is turned on by default if you do not set a root password during the install
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08:40.41cynicallemoni tend to use su
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08:41.15ToeSnacksthank you for humoring my questions I'm sure the comparison got old a long time ago
08:41.18cynicallemonmainly as i hate to sudo this and sudo that etc
08:41.37ToeSnacksok so there is no best practices reason it's a preference thing?
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08:42.13cynicallemonpretty much i guess
08:42.21hmpfHi everybody.
08:42.29cynicallemonyou can do damage with sudo and su
08:42.52hmpfIs it safe to put "developer ALL=(root) NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/dpkg" in the sudoers file?
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08:43.17hmpfmy goal is to enable package installation for a non root user. and thats the best way i came up with so far.
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08:44.47MurciLeejmcnaught: thanks for good tips about remaining root password during the install makes sudo turns on. didn't know that
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08:45.14jmcnaughtMurciLee: this is only an option during the advanced install
08:45.51cynicallemonMurciLee, yeah thats a new one to me about sudo during install but then agian i always use a password for accounts
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08:47.24Kirilhello
08:47.37Kirilcat /e-bash: cannot create temp file for here-document: Read-only file system
08:47.49Kirilany ideas how to fix this
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08:48.38MurciLeejmcnaught: which do you prefer personally(between su and sudo)? my debian(gnome) actually shows me some software like firefox update failed becatuse of permission. is this anything to do with sudo / su thing?
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08:51.08FilystynHELLO
08:51.10cynicallemonMurciLee, with FF updates it needs a way to escalate the users account to install update hence sudo is needed
08:51.14Filystynpeople of debian - PROBLEM
08:51.22Filystynwhy did you remove ffmpeg from packages?
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08:51.47FilystynANYONE?!
08:51.48jmcnaughthmpf: this might be something you can configure with packagekit and policykit. note that being able to install arbitrary packages is inherently unsafe
08:52.09Filystynit's safe
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08:53.11cynicallemonhmpf, also allowing users to use dpkg will let them install and delete other packages
08:53.16dagerikhow can I use journald to inspect dpkg log? I need to inspect an unattended upgrade
08:53.25MathisenFilystyn, its in > http://www.deb-multimedia.org repo
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08:53.47jmcnaughtMurciLee: firefox update? how did you install firefox? i tend to use both su and sudo on different systems. sudo can give you more finegrained control. su has an builtin advantage of sorts in that it's a different password
08:53.53FilystynMathisen thanks adding it now
08:53.59MurciLeecynicallemon: do you mean my account needs to be sudo-able?
08:54.04strkis there permission bit that would derive umask from parent dir ? like seg-gid derives group ownership ?
08:54.06Filystynwhy not have all in one rep?
08:54.10MathisenFilystyn, using jessie ?
08:54.13cynicallemonMurciLee, yes
08:54.30jmcnaughtffmpeg is in jessie-backports, deb-multimedia.org is third party and known to cause problems
08:54.32mavhqsurely what you want is local per user package installs
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08:54.38cynicallemonMurciLee, install sudo and add the user to the sudo group
08:54.56cynicallemonMurciLee, usermod -aG sudo <user>
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08:55.15FilystynMathisen yes
08:55.23jmcnaught"adduser user sudo" works too
08:55.23MurciLeejmcnaught: I added ubuntuzilla's repository for firefox-mozilla-build and I install it by 'apt-get install firefox-mozilla-build' as I remember
08:55.47jmcnaughtMurciLee: that's definitely the wrong way
08:55.48cynicallemonMurciLee, log out and back in again and that user will have sudo
08:56.13Mathisenyeah add the repo then.. :)
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08:57.18Filystynupdating..
08:57.39Filystyninstalling latex so  i got FAJRANT for stuff like this
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08:58.09jmcnaughtMathisen: we try not to recommend third party repos like deb-multimedia here because it's not supported by Debian.
08:58.20MurciLeejmcnaught: yeah i know this is not a good way but that was about 2,3 month ago. there wasn't actual 'firefox' on debian sid
08:58.28Filystynbecause debian supports so low ammount of programs it is patehtic
08:58.32jellythere's ffmpeg in jessie-backports
08:58.38FilystynI do not buy this "stable" bs
08:58.40jmcnaughtMurciLee: Iceweasel was/is Firefox, it's just rebranded
08:59.00Mathisenjmcnaught, noted..
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08:59.24Filystyni will add as much repos i can and than come here complain if anything break
08:59.41MurciLeeanyway, what's wrong about installing firefox on 3rd party repository between permission problem while updating?
08:59.54FilystynMuricLee they want to control everything
09:00.06Filystynbut at this point iceweasel is ok
09:00.15Filystynno sens to install firefox
09:00.31Filystynand there is this icecat coming since gnu
09:00.45cynicallemonI just get firefox and thunderbird directly from mozilla and install
09:00.45jellyMurciLee: we can't predict the behaviour and dependencies for foreign sources
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09:01.29jellyMurciLee: and they don't have to comply with best packaging practices which solve a number of common errors
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09:02.27FilystynThe repository team is lazy. Most running versions are ancient. Not that it's so bad.
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09:06.57HaRoCafeneed sugestion for learning apache on debian jessie. link please
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09:08.28HaRoCafealready done it. google said diferend on jessie
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09:09.16jmcnaughtHaRoCafe: the Debian specific stuff is documented in /usr/share/doc/apache2 especially the README.Debian.gz file
09:09.19theunixfreakhi i am running debian testing. when i do "apt-get install bluefish" i get "no installation candidate error" do you know what is happening? thanks :)
09:10.17cynicallemonHaRoCafe, try this - https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/apache/apache-web-server-debian-8
09:10.34HaRoCafesorry i am not the man who read manual. painfull on my brain who does not have much english library
09:10.38cynicallemondepends what you want to use it for though
09:10.49Filystynwhy not write your own http server :O
09:10.49HaRoCafecynicallemon: thks will try it
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09:11.58jmcnaughttheunixfreak: what does "apt-cache policy bluefish" say? can you make a paste of the command you used and the complete output?
09:12.18theunixfreakyes
09:12.32theunixfreakjmcnaught, this is the output: bluefish:
09:12.32hmpfcynicallemon: jmcnaught: thanks, i will look into that.
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09:12.33Filystynbtw if you join #apache
09:12.45cynicallemoni thought bluefish was a gonner
09:12.51Filystynthere are 300 people maybe there you will get your help
09:12.57jmcnaughttheunixfreak: please use http://paste.debian.net from now on :)
09:13.00theunixfreakcynicallemon, i thought it was under active development :(
09:13.07theunixfreakjmcnaught, sorry :( i will do it from now on
09:13.22jmcnaught!show sources.list theunixfreak
09:13.23dpkgtheunixfreak: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list.  The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
09:13.34jmcnaught,v bluefish
09:13.35juddPackage: bluefish on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.0.1-1; wheezy: 2.2.3-4; wheezy-backports: 2.2.6-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.2.6-2; jessie-backports: 2.2.7-2~bpo8+1; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 2.2.7-2~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports-sloppy: 2.2.7-2~bpo70+1; sid: 2.2.7-2
09:14.45jmcnaughttheunixfreak: oh i see, you're on testing. you can check the package tracker site for news about why it may have been removed from testing. also for testing you'll get better support on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
09:14.59theunixfreakjmcnaught, my sources.list is http://paste.debian.net/432682
09:15.08theunixfreakjmcnaught, thanks
09:15.09HaRoCafeby for now thks
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09:20.43jimwhat's the guide to bash scripting that's pretty good, I think greycat wrote it
09:21.14Stummi!guide
09:21.14dpkgsomebody said guide was at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot/infobot_guide.html
09:21.24Stummioups, thats wrong chan
09:21.39Stummijim: http://s.ntnu.no/bashguide.pdf
09:21.51Stummi(alternatively: /msg greybot guide)
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09:23.09Clu3l355hi all :)
09:23.36Clu3l355I have this situation:I setup remote mysql from one container to allow remote connections coming from hostname "host.name", but the ip addresses changed for both the mysql container host and the "host.name" and I've updboth their dns settings to resolve the updated addresses accordingly, but now my issue is that mysql user table still lists the sam
09:23.36Clu3l355e "host.name" for each user but wont connect remotely. Does mysql store the ip address for the hostname at that point in time when you add the user? or would i just have to rerun the query and update the remote host? I hope this makes sense
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09:24.02Clu3l355also one needs to be registered to post to #mysql, im on the run and thats a bit tedious at the moment, thanks in advance guys
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09:27.16unbornClu3l355: perhaps you would use IP as hostname instead of name it self?
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09:28.30Clu3l355unborn: i was hoping it would automatically resolve the hostname irrespective but i guess ill have to update and use ips instead, thanks
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09:30.06unbornClu3l355: well does those hosts have static ips? if not then ip is possible best way to do it.. perhaps you can setup some bash script which will monitor the current ip of that host and if changed it will change records of that ip in your mysql or config file
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09:31.23jmcnaughtClu3l355: if you connect to the server what does "SHOW GRANTS;" say? probably a hostname
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09:32.01jmcnaughtClu3l355: also registering with NickServ is really easy, and you'll probably get better help in the mysql channel
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09:38.17Clu3l355thanks guys, ill register my nick shortly and check in w/ mysql, but to answer unborn
09:38.26Clu3l355thanks guys, ill register my nick shortly and check in w/ mysql, but to answer unborn - they're both on static
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09:38.49Clu3l355we're just in the process of migrating to a new subnet :) so now im sitting with these type issues
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09:38.53Clu3l355ill check the show grants shortly
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09:39.14jmcnaughtClu3l355: also what kind of containers are they?
09:39.23Clu3l355lxc
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09:43.26Clu3l355for what its worth guys
09:43.28Clu3l355update mysql.user SET host = 'new.host.ip.here' WHERE host = 'host.name' AND User != 'root';
09:43.33Clu3l355update mysql.db SET host = 'new.host.ip.here' WHERE host = 'host.name' AND User != 'root';
09:43.39Clu3l355those 2 on the mysql host container did the trick
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09:44.03unbornClu3l355: ah if they are static use ips as temporary solution.. when dns is propagated lets say in 48 hours, you can go back to your host.names setup..
09:44.05Clu3l355ill try and run those commands to reset it to hostname and test again, otherwise ill just stick to IPs :/
09:44.56Clu3l355unborn: I shouldve thought of that earlier, but thanks for your help :)
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09:48.05unbornClu3l355: it all depends from your bind setup.. or dns setup.. but if your ip was changed, you should allow at least couple of hours to go around all root server on net.. basically if you host your remote dbs on something.somedomain.com but ip was changed then that could take some time.. ip is good tmp solution, just accessing directly..
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09:49.01Clu3l355unborn: soon as you mentioned propagation i figured thats the case and completely overlooked that fact, so thanks again person ( whichever gender you are :) )
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09:52.10Filystynif packets can not be verified what doe sit mean (apt-get dist-upgrade) ???
09:52.16FilystynANYONE!?
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09:54.45FilystynQUESTION was asssskkkeddd
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09:54.50Filystynhurry!
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09:55.35Iridoselse you'll cut our salary
09:55.51FilystynHey I am waiting here
09:56.09StummiFilystyn, which context?
09:56.15StummiI don't know about "sit"
09:56.15markybobFilystyn: you've been told about your screaming and repeating more times than i can count. you wonder why you annoy people?
09:56.20Filystyncontext of packet installation
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09:56.45Filystyni wrote apt-get dist-upgrade
09:57.01Filystynall the multi arch part of i386
09:57.01Clu3l355Filystyn: I'll take a guess and say -> apt-key for whatever repo its complaining about
09:57.11Filystynis that bad?
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09:57.19StummiFilystyn, it means packages cannot be verified
09:57.27Filystynis that normal ?
09:57.38Stummino, its not normal, and yes it can be bad. Its a possible attack vector
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09:57.58Filystynokie
09:58.00Stummijust make sure the apt keys are up to date as Clu said
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09:58.11Filystynnot sure how to do it?
09:58.16Filystynah apt-key
09:58.23Filystynmkie
09:58.31inigoand check if the output of "date" in the machine makes sense
09:58.32Filystynapt-key  http://repo
09:58.34Filystynyes?
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09:58.36unbornClu3l355: if you host your domains with your own bind you can make propagation to work a bit faster, but this is purely optional if you fine to wait.. usually its from 10 minutes to 24 hours..im just saying :)
09:59.32Clu3l355unborn: was thinking of going that route but have a few other thing to attend to in the interim, thanks for the suggestion though :)
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10:02.07Filystynhow do i check this packet again ? libaacplus2:i386 ? ? ? ?? ?
10:02.16Filystynit complains about packet not repo
10:02.17Filystyn!
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10:03.07markybobyep. time to /ignore again. he can't learn
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10:03.19dhexchele! We were talking about you.
10:03.28Clu3l355Filystyn: Patience is key when one is dealing with Linux
10:03.36cheledhex what happened?
10:03.43dhexA lot of stuff, you know...
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10:09.12inigoso the issue with the "keys" was finally about Patience? ( Patience is key when one is ... )
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10:37.00_abc_Hello. I am on wheezy (oldstable) with kernel 3.2 updated to latest and I don't have CH353 PCI multi io card support. It works but but not all of it. I have no way to issue BREAK on the interface. Does anyone know if I can upgrade to an official wheezy kernel >3.7 somehow? Those kernels apparently support CH353
10:37.40ksk_abc_: migrating to jessie is not an option?
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10:41.05_abc_No. systemd is not an option at this time.
10:41.16kskyou can uses sysv-init running jessie
10:41.22ksks/uses/use
10:41.24inigoI do
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10:41.54_abc_I would like to get on with what I am doing, I will upgrade real soon now [tm]. What I am doing is operating a device programmer attached to a serial port... that does not work on this system due to lacking CH353 support.
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10:41.56kskI dont even thins you get "migrated to systemd" during an dist-upgrade (but I am unsure)
10:42.40ksk_abc_: then get yourself a kernel with that support, compile it yourself? If thats "too much" for you I suggest you go to jessie..
10:42.56_abc_As long as it works I have no problem with it but I have to have init scripts of the old kind for some things.
10:43.13_abc_ksk: I can do that, how hard is the config transition from 3.2 to 3.7?
10:43.16ksk_abc_: you can have systemd and also use init scripts. cmon...
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10:43.30kskI dont know, im not into kernel.
10:43.41_abc_I do not have the time and stamina to do this now. Tried, live dist, had problems, backed out.
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10:44.11markybob_abc_: wheezy-backports has 3.16 kernel
10:44.12_abc_Also usually people frown on non-debian kernel installs on debian. I will look at what's in debian for 3.7
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10:44.18_abc_markybob: oh great.
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10:44.23_abc_looks
10:44.27markybob!tell _abc_ about backports
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10:46.34_abc_Is there a nice backport howto?
10:46.43markybobbackports.debian.org/Instructions/
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10:50.39yottanamiHow can I connect to a network printer in Debian?
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10:51.10_abc_markybob: Do I also need the headers? I assume I will compile something or other sooner or later
10:51.21markybob_abc_: then yes
10:51.37_abc_yottanami: http://localhost:631
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10:52.38yottanamiI checked in CUPS web ui
10:52.49yottanamiIt asked me to add printer in /etc/dhcpd.conf but file does not exists
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10:52.56yottanamiI am using Debian Sid
10:52.59markybobyottanami: if you want gui method use system-config-printer
10:53.13markybobyottanami: well then you're in the wrong place. go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
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10:54.32_abc_markybob: do you run anything like that? I can't figure out if the new kernel breaks anything important. When I try to install it in aptitude it lights up an xmas tree of breakage and incompats. I am afraid I won't be able to back out of it afterwards if it does not go well.
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10:55.23MarcLHi, seems that iceweasel is not updating anymore, this is the message I get in the terminal:  "W: Failed to fetch http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/jessie-backports/Release  Unable to find expected entry 'iceweasel-release/binary-amd64/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)"  The Iceweasel version I am using is the 44.0.2    I guess there is somethign wrong?  Thanks
10:55.31markybob_abc_: i've used backported kernels in jessie before, not wheezy. do you have a funky sources.list? pastebin it
10:55.54markybobMarcL: it's firefox now
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10:56.03markybobMarcL: check mozilla.debian.net for the update
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10:56.52_abc_markybob: No, I just added my local country's mirror and am installing the 3.16 kernel source instead with deps. Installing the image lights up breakage related to initrd tools. I am not using an initrd at all but I feel safer compiling from source.
10:56.56MarcLmarkybob, so I should uninstall iceweasel and install firefox?
10:57.08markybobMarcL: yep
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10:57.36_abc_So I am not getting the image, compiling from source instead. No problem.
10:57.42MarcLmarkybob, thanks
10:57.56_abc_markybob: thanks for the tip
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10:58.58markybob_abc_: make sure you do it the debian way. look at 4.2 and 4.5 in particular http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/
10:59.17_abc_Thanks, looking
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11:00.54_abc_What does fakeroot do exactly?
11:01.34markybob_abc_: it runs a command in an environment faking root privileges for file manipulation (while remaining safe)
11:01.51_abc_Bah. I trust the upstream.
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11:03.31plasmoduck# mount /dev/sdb /media/storage/
11:03.32plasmoduckmount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb,
11:03.41plasmoduckWhy is this happening?
11:03.44cisc0hi
11:03.48markybobplasmoduck: you left out the partition number
11:03.58markybobplasmoduck: i assume you want /dev/sdb1
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11:04.58plasmoduckmarkybob, oh yes I did, thanks for pointing that out :)
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11:11.54r00trunnerI'm coming from Archlinux which has a superb wiki. Is any official wiki for debian you can recommend?
11:12.58markybobr00trunner: the official one is https://wiki.debian.org/ ...i do like arch's wiki though :/
11:13.38MisterGadflyIt indeed was better
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11:14.21JyZyXELdpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/samba-libs_2%3a4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u2_amd64.deb (--unpack):
11:14.21dpkgjyzyxel: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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11:14.57JyZyXELha, did they put a broken package to stable :p
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11:15.26alligatorjoehey has anybody seen crocodile lilly
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11:15.58JyZyXELi wonder if it is because of the whole "badlock" vulnerability
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11:18.02DipperHI!
11:18.16Dipper"
11:18.16DipperWith this ‘completely’ random seed from my old debian." What does it mean/
11:18.42r00trunnermarkybob: yes I know that wiki. Arch's wiki is lightyears better however.... :(
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11:19.08markybobr00trunner: i agree. i link to it often.
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11:20.58alligatorjoewhere are the coonass girls?..has anybody seen crocodile lilly
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11:24.34markyboballigatorjoe: ethnic slurs won't be tolerated.
11:24.39alligatorjoedoes everybody think the new $8,999 video card from nvidia using its pascal gpu technology is going to have adequate drivers for debian to save a couple of dollars on software.
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11:25.36alligatorjoemark...fuck you up your goddamn snobnose ass....i don't give a goddamn shit what you tolerate or not.
11:26.12alligatorjoemark..you are probably one of those hardware sons of bitches that owe me a lot of money
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11:31.03MarcLmarkybob, to unistall purge iceweasel is ok to write in the terminal: sudo apt-get purge iceweasel     ?
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11:31.40markybobMarcL: just do apt-get remove iceweasel. you might want to go back to it and have your config files intact still
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11:32.02plasmoduckIm having trouble sharing my server to everyone on my network with Samba, can anyone recommend a good guide?
11:32.31MarcLmarkybob, thx
11:33.01slax0rwhat's the free nvidia driver package called again?
11:33.19markybob!nouveau
11:33.19dpkgThe nouveau project aims to build high-quality, open source drivers for Nvidia GPUs (Riva, TNT, GeForce, Quadro).  Nouveau <DRM> is part of the Linux kernel, the display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (read its README.Debian file for important notes).  Install the libgl1-mesa-dri package for 3D acceleration.  http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/  #nouveau on irc.freenode.net.
11:33.46slax0rnouveau, thanks :)
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11:36.07ansyeblyagood day, could you possibly assist: is any of your companies enforcing policy of "no loud speaking" in openspaces(or not speaking at all, only slack ;) & meeting rooms) and issued any conventions ruling this? I could use an example
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11:37.03markybob!tell ansyeblya about ot
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11:43.28plasmoduckI'm also looking for something to stream music to my network
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11:43.40Grant_PHey, i'm trying to run a systemd service but the application requires root access. What am i missing?
11:43.45plasmoduckSo I can tune in with vlc
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11:44.18markybobGrant_P: apparently root. you can use sudo if you've been given permission by the sysadmin.
11:44.27markybobGrant_P: do you have the root password?
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11:44.36Grant_Pmarkybob: yep, just a raspberrypi
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11:45.17Grant_Pmarkybob: Should i add User=root?
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11:45.56markybobGrant_P: just adduser to sudo group. log out and back in then sudo should work
11:46.17Grant_PThe application is in /usr/bin and is owned by root:root.
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11:47.22Grant_Pmarkybob: The application is in /usr/bin and is owned by root:root but systemd is having trouble to start it.
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11:51.12alligatorjoei hate cabbages and onions...man why don't you use nicks like turnip greens or chitlins
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11:52.04jmcnaughtGrant_P: where is the service unit file? Was the software installed by a package? If not it shouldn't be installed to /usr/bin, it belongs in /usr/local/bin. You can check the status of the unit with "systemctl status <name>" for clues why it won't start
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11:54.02alligatorjoenothing4you..who the hell would want anything from shit like you anyway.
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11:54.38Grant_Pjmcnaught: The service file is in /etc/systemd/system and was for a package i installed.
11:54.42jmcnaughtalligatorjoe: are you sure you're in the right place? This is a Debian tech support channel, let us know if you need help.
11:55.20Grant_Pjmcnaught: erm well i created the .service for the package.
11:55.22jmcnaughtGrant_P: any clues with the status command I gave you? There's also "journalctl -x -u <name>"
11:55.32alligatorjoejmcn...no problems encountered to comment on at this time....but these nicks in here are somethin else
11:56.22jmcnaughtalligatorjoe: okay. please keep the off-topic chatting to a minimum. there are social chat channels if that's what you're looking for.
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11:56.46alligatorjoejmcn...fine by me
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11:58.52alligatorjoejmcn..there is one problem i encountered...not a serious problem but a curiosity...when attempthing to generate keys for the free enigmail software...it seems to be taking forever....is there possibly a missing chip in the hardware or something possibly pertaining to random number generation
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12:00.26jmcnaughtalligatorjoe: you can probably press <TAB> to autocomplete nicks in your IRC client if you want to hilight people. Generating keys can take a long time, but if you do stuff on your computer it will make entropy that speeds up the process (stuff like typing, moving the mouse, open files etc)
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12:01.38alligatorjoejmcn..i really don't care if i ever get the firefox enigma mechanisms working as the enigma machines were used in world wars to try to destroy the US....so i am indifferent to whether it ever works or not....but as a matter of curiosity i was wondering if it is usable.
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12:02.51jmcnaughtalligatorjoe: enigma works for me, but i made my keys on the command line.
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12:03.14_abc_What's the command to tell grub to try another kernel once again, please?
12:03.17alligatorjoejmcn...okay
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12:04.25_abc_ok found it
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12:11.43plasmoduckIm having trouble sharing my server to everyone on my network with Samba, can anyone recommend a good guide?
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12:13.46alligatorjoejmcnaught...i am waiting to see if amd will produce a polaris that can compete with nvidia's $8,999 pascal video card...nothing like competition to produce skyrocketing prices
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12:14.21jmcnaught!ot
12:14.21dpkg#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users.  Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic.  Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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12:15.06alligatorjoedpkg...well if you spend $8,999 to avoid a blank screen on your debian system...you might want to know if there is a driver available for it
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12:15.35abrotmanalligatorjoe: dpkg is a bot, and we don't care about nvidia hardware unless it pertains to installing drivers
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12:17.21alligatorjoeabrot...well i also mentioned the possiblity of a polaris competitor...at an unknown price right now....so i am trying not to play favorites...but to see if drivers will be available for people who need a little video and don't mind spending $8,999 to avoid a blank screen
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12:18.18_abc_Interesting. grub on wheezy has no manpage for grub and no option --once ?!
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12:18.54jmcnaught_abc_: "apropos" can help you find man pages
12:19.09_abc_I found them, there is no grub manpage per se...
12:19.12malade_mentalHi, I'm using debian and I can't mount an sdcard on my laptop
12:19.18dagerikman mount
12:19.28dagerikmount /dev/sdcard /mnt/topkek
12:19.36dagerikfdisk -l
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12:19.41jmcnaughtmalade_mental: what happens when you try?
12:19.47babilen(and what do you try?)
12:19.50malade_mentaldagerik: Yes I know usually I do this
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12:20.07_abc_grub-pc is incompatible with old grub
12:20.08dagerikreboot after kernel upgrade
12:20.09malade_mentalso dmesg says error 110 : whilst initialising sdcard
12:21.07malade_mentaland no device appears on fdisk -l
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12:21.34jmcnaughtmalade_mental: does a different card work, and/or does this card work in a different device?
12:22.17malade_mentalthe card is totally ok
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12:22.47malade_mentaland just before I tried this one, another one was plugged and worked, now when I plug it back it doesn't work anymore
12:23.09malade_mentaldmesg doesn't give anything in output now
12:23.17_abc_So what's really installed on wheezy by default is grub-pc which is not grub and not grub2
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12:23.54malade_mentallspci detects the card reader
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12:25.56malade_mentalok, it works again and (i removed the sdhci module and modprobed it) dmesg says this : mmc0 : new sdcard at address xxxxx
12:26.16plasmoduckIm having trouble sharing my server to everyone on my network with Samba, can anyone recommend a good guide?
12:26.18plasmoduckI followed this guide to no avail https://wiki.debian.org/SambaServerSimple
12:26.40alligatorjoejmcnaught...nothing like competition to produce skyrocketing prices....video cards used to be much less expensive before amd began to compete with nvidia
12:26.42plasmoduckI have configured it, but I cannot access it
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12:27.31jmcnaughtalligatorjoe: i'm going to no longer respond to off-topic stuff. please respect the topic.
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12:28.49malade_mentalit just seems that it detects the card but not the partitions (mmcblk...)
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12:29.05Bushmanhi
12:29.17dagerikmalade_mental: fdisk -l for partitions
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12:29.25Bushmani have this problem:
12:29.30Bushmanprimus: fatal: Bumblebee daemon reported: error: [XORG] (EE) /dev/dri/card0: failed to set DRM interface version 1.4: Permission denied
12:29.42Bushmani've done extensive google search, browsed forums, bug reports, etc...
12:29.49transylvaniahello, does any have already reported the missing fp.11.2.202.616.sha512.amd64.pgp.asc in Bart Martens http space (https://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/D5C0FC14/) ?
12:29.52Bushmantried most of the solutions not involving reinstalling the OS
12:30.01Bushmanbut nothing helped
12:30.18Bushmancan anyone try to help me please?
12:30.21dagerikBushman: sounds like you need proprietary software. because DRM. is not bundled in debian
12:30.52malade_mentaldagerik: nothing more than before, still just my hard drive
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12:31.02jmcnaughtplasmoduck: i won't be able to help you with samba, but others will if you can provide more details. have you checked logs or can you provide troubleshooting steps you have taken? Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide details.
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12:31.15Bushmandagerik: i'm not sure you understand the problem... the issue is with graphics card that used to work in debian
12:31.22dagerikmalade_mental: file -s /dev/sdcard
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12:31.28transylvaniathe missing signature file prevents flash plugin update by update-flashplugin-nonfree script
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12:31.37MisterGadflyBushman: is your user part of the bumblebee group?
12:31.47malade_mentalI don't have a device /dev/sdcard...
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12:32.04BushmanMisterGadfly: 1 sec, will check
12:32.06dagerikBushman: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/bumblebee#.2Fdev.2Fdri.2Fcard0:_failed_to_set_DRM_interface_version_1.4:_Permission_denied
12:32.49Bushmandagerik: yes, read that, done that, didn't help. help?
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12:34.14BushmanMisterGadfly: yes, i am in the bumblebee group
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12:34.31malade_mentalhttp://paste.debian.net/432710 http://paste.debian.net/432711
12:34.39malade_mentallspci -v and lsmod
12:35.24dagerikmalade_mental: what does file(1) show?
12:36.01malade_mentalwhat do you mean? dagerik
12:36.10dagerikfile -s /dev/sdcard
12:36.14malade_mentalno file
12:36.20malade_mental(I'm logged as root)
12:36.22MisterGadflyBushman: I just installed Debian with bumblebee + nvidia a few hours ago and it works out of the box, so you probably don't have to modify any bumblebee config files *I think* to solve your problem
12:36.26dagerikis /dev/sdcard ur card??
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12:36.44BushmanMisterGadfly: ok, so what would sugest?
12:36.45MisterGadflyBushman: bumblebee-nvidia package
12:36.53Bushmanhmm..
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12:37.34malade_mentaldmesg : http://paste.debian.net/432713
12:37.43BushmanMisterGadfly: yes, i have it. it's 3.2.1-93~vividppa1
12:38.11Bushmanhmm...
12:38.20dagerikmalade_mental: what is the interface file for the device?
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12:38.32Bushmanjust got this thought... maybe my repos are fed up?
12:38.50markybobBushman: yeah. that's not debian
12:39.00malade_mentalI don't know dagerik it seems that there is no file like this...
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12:39.09dagerikmalade_mental: reboot
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12:39.30malade_mental^^
12:39.44malade_mentalok fine, that's a windows-user solution but I'll do that
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12:39.49MisterGadflyBushman: what nvidia GPU do you have?
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12:40.16dionysus69I accidentally deleted easy-rsa certificate files like ca.key and can I recover it somehow? I used clean-all by accident...
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12:40.45BushmanMisterGadfly: lspci says: 01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF117M [GeForce 610M/710M/820M / GT 620M/625M/630M/720M] (rev a1)
12:40.53markybob!tell Bushman about dontbreakdebian
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12:42.02Bushmanmarkybob: tell that to people telling me to add repos from all over the internet :(
12:42.13markybobBushman: i do
12:42.14_abc_I find pc-grub one of the worst program suites I ever saw.
12:42.22markybobBushman: and when you do that we can't support it
12:42.26_abc_Was it used as an interim measure between grub and grub2?
12:42.28MisterGadflyBushman: mine's chipset is the same
12:42.38Bushmanhmm...
12:42.55BushmanMisterGadfly: is the bumblebee in debian repos?
12:43.00markybobBushman: yes
12:43.15markybobBushman: when you mix things though...damage might be too much already
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12:43.34Bushmanthen why in the earth would i add ubuntu repos?
12:43.35markybobBushman: you might want to reinstall and never do that again. just use debian repos and debian bumblebee
12:43.42markybobBushman: i have no idea
12:43.58markybobBushman: i'm guessing you read some dumbass blog
12:44.17MisterGadflyBushman: what does "dkms status" say? nvidia allright?
12:44.18Bushmanmight have been that.
12:44.46Bushmancommand not found.
12:44.52Bushmanwhat package is it in?
12:45.11MisterGadflyBushman: err, can you try reinstalling bumblebee-nvidia?
12:45.38Bushmansorry, no... wrong terminal
12:45.42Bushmanwasn't root
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12:45.57Bushmannvidia-current, 340.96, 3.16.0-4-amd64, x86_64: installed
12:46.02MisterGadflyBushman: forgot to mention the root :D
12:46.42Bushmanheh, forgot to do it in the root terminal, so we're both guilty XD
12:47.22markybobBushman: the bot just told you about bumblebee in debian
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12:47.34markybobBushman: but like i said it might be too late
12:47.45malade_mentalI rebooted, tried previous kernels and it still doesn't work (sdcard reader problem)
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12:48.31MisterGadflyBushman: I'm using the unstable repos, actually. Don't know if it makes a difference.
12:48.51Bushmanmarkybob: i will try to purge the bumblebee, remove the ubuntu repo and try with official repos
12:48.52malade_mentalwhat's strange is that "mmc0: new SDHC card at address b368" . Why is it using mmc0 and not sdhc ?
12:49.00BushmanMisterGadfly: it might!
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12:49.17MisterGadflyBushman: wait, you installed it from an Ubuntu repo?
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12:49.29markybobMisterGadfly: yes
12:50.29BushmanMisterGadfly: no idea why, but i see the repo on the list
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12:50.50BushmanMisterGadfly: seriously, it was years ago, no idea why i did that
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12:52.18MisterGadflyBushman: well, I'm actually new to Debian (Archlinux emigree), so can't help you with repo stuff :D
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12:52.43markybobMisterGadfly: you shouldn't. we can't support mixed repos like that.
12:52.50markybob!tell MisterGadfly about dontbreakdebian
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12:54.41malade_mentalps aux|grep mmc returns a process that's called [irq/10-mmc0] is that normal?
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12:55.18malade_mentaldo you think it can come from bios options?
12:55.23MisterGadflymarkybob: sounds serious :P
12:55.33markybobMisterGadfly: it is.
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12:57.32tako_Guys how can i decrease bios time on debian boot i might wait 5 seconds there if i dont press enter
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12:58.20kskwhats bios time? and what should debian have to do with that
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12:58.39markybobit's not bios time...it's grub wait time
12:58.44markybobtako_: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubConfiguration
12:58.47ksklike, the time it takes to the bootloader is nothing where debian is involed
12:58.56kskah okay, you can adjust that timeout for grub :)
12:59.58tako_markybob, yes i mean this thanks
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13:01.46Bushmanmarkybob: i only would like to say that after removing the ubuntu repos and reinstalling it works fine.
13:02.04Bushmanmarkybob: maybe next time instead of being like "Don't help sinners!!! Mixing up repos is a heresy!!! Burn the witch!!!"...
13:02.05markybobBushman: you got lucky
13:02.16Bushman... maybe try and help undo the damage?
13:02.20markybobBushman: ha. you're so wrong. you'll find out
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13:02.55TomTomToschBushman: he is right in saying it's not supported in here and for a good reason.
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13:03.08markybobBushman: you're welcome for me having offered you the right wiki/repo, though
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13:04.47BushmanTomTomTosch: i understand why mixed repos can't be supported. but he could have at least sugest ways to try and undo the damage. all he did was tell me you don't suport it.
13:05.04markybobBushman: i gave you the right wiki/repo. what else do you want?
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13:05.20TomTomToschmeh. move on please.
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13:05.27BushmanTomTomTosch: right.
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13:06.21Bushmanbye all! c'ya next time i fubar something.
13:06.26Bushmantake care MisterGadfly
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13:08.10LunaLovegoodWhat do I need to watch out for if I want to run a read-only system? (all HDD partitions, but not tmpfs and removable media)
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13:08.38rozieLunaLovegood: https://wiki.debian.org/ReadonlyRoot
13:08.44alligatorjoewhats with all the HP, IBM, Oracle..etc..etc...etc..licenses for a jdk or jre to use with libreoffice
13:08.47LunaLovegoodcool thanks
13:09.15alligatorjoewhy have free office code if it needs propietary license tools
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13:10.05TomTomToschalligatorjoe: i does not, it pulls openjdk-*-jre
13:10.15TomTomToschs/i/it
13:10.38LunaLovegoodwait, this has the user home folders as RW. I want them RO after initial customizations.
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13:10.50alligatorjoeTomT...whose license is openjdk...HP,IBM, Oracle...and everybody claim licenses for a jdk or jre
13:11.10TomTomToschalligatorjoe: it's licensed under GPL... i don't get your point.
13:11.58alligatorjoeTomT...i don't see that detail becuase i did not download the file as the license did not say GPL but rather propietary companies
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13:12.17alligatorjoeTomT...depending on whose version you want
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13:12.58themillalligatorjoe: you are confusing the licence and the copyright holder.
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13:14.29alligatorjoeTom it gives links for example like www.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/linux/download.html
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13:14.46alligatorjoeTom for IBM's license for example
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13:15.11alligatorjoebut there are other licenses like HP, Oracle, Apple, whatever
13:15.13freeone3000alligatorjoe: The vendor for Debian's OpenJDK is Debian, and it's under the GPL license.
13:15.27alligatorjoefree...oh that one is debians
13:15.27themillalligatorjoe: companies are not licences.
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13:15.31freeone3000(You won't find a company selling it because, well, duh. The source code is exactly the same as Oracle's, it's just a different license.)
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13:16.12alligatorjoefree...ok where is the tarball for the debian free version with a gpl license
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13:16.16freeone3000alligatorjoe: http://openjdk.java.net/ for licensing and source info.
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13:16.27themillalligatorjoe: what are you actually trying to do?
13:16.31freeone3000alligatorjoe: There's no tarball, because they prefer you to download a mercurial forest and make it with cmake.
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13:16.45freeone3000(Some might accuse them of being annoying to build on purpose.)
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13:17.01alligatorjoethemill...well i have not run into any problems with libreoffice yet..but it says that some functions won't work without a jdk or jre
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13:17.52themillalligatorjoe: if you want to install a jre, then install the relevant package. You probably already have.
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13:18.15freeone3000alligatorjoe: Preferred packaging is the APT DEB. openjdk-jre is available in all flavors of debian.
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13:18.35alligatorjoethemill..no i did not install any jre since i thought it was propietary...i did not know about debians free version
13:19.03themill!dfsg
13:19.03dpkgDFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines .  For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses
13:19.20themillalligatorjoe: all packages in debian are free
13:19.23alligatorjoethemill and for example i cannot connect to a served up database without jre or some other approach
13:19.38alligatorjoethemill...but i can create a file for a database and use that
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13:19.50alligatorjoethemill without a jre
13:20.27alligatorjoethemill it is just an issue of i might run into those funcions which need a jre sooner or later
13:20.45themillSo then install openjdk now or later.
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13:21.44alligatorjoethemill sounds logical to me
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13:23.29TomTomToschalligatorjoe: oracle develops openjdk as free software. do you understand that?
13:23.37alligatorjoethemill but really i dont' need 32000 databases on one server
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13:24.19alligatorjoeTomT...no i don't..i see several licenses involved...but i am interested in the free gpl license with no propietor that you mentioned
13:25.06alligatorjoeTomT...that version might be worth investigating
13:25.13themillalligatorjoe: ummm... install what you want. I don't think there's much to discuss.
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13:26.46alligatorjoethemill...well like i said...i don't really need 32,000 databases on one server....i don't like to keep up with that many companies' inventories,supplier,customers,financiers, salesbyregions and whatever else each of 32,000 might want recorded
13:27.15themillalligatorjoe: you're not making much sense. Perhaps stick to problems that exist rather than making new ones.
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13:28.23alligatorjoethemill..no sense...you have never heard of the database business for managing thousands of databases for lots of fortune 500 companies
13:28.48themillalligatorjoe: this is #debian. Do you have a Debian user support problem we can help you with?
13:29.22alligatorjoethemill...well it is a debian issue if they have to code available to do it..even though i really don't care about it
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13:30.20themillIs there some other language that you'd be happier seeking support in?
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13:31.01alligatorjoethemill..yes ancient hylian
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13:31.35Xen0mHello i'm looking for new apps for my debian server. But i didn't find any good website or may i look in wrong way :/ so if you know some please let me know
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13:32.10freeone3000Xen0m: "new" and "server"? really?
13:32.19freeone3000Xen0m: What are you looking for, specifically?
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13:32.32alligatorjoeXen0m...everyone is looking for new apps...even M$ said they are sick of games...and want some killer apps to help them sell their os
13:32.52themillalligatorjoe: that's enough, thanks.
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13:35.17Xen0mSuch like openfire webchat and stuff i'm looking for evrything who can be helpfull for my business... so i've install what i really need for now but there is maybe some other who can be interesting.
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13:36.54_mel_Hi. i try to define secondary ip addresses via config files in /etc/network/interfaces.d/<config>. But because the line "source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*" is placed at the begining of the file /etc/network/interfaces my main ip adress is treated as a secondary (and not the way around). is there any config parameter to define primary interface ip and secondary interface ip?
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13:45.56shiblyAny debian expert here?
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13:46.38topylishibly: just ask your question and we'll see if anyone can help
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13:47.06shiblyA start job is running: Raise network, how can i stop this during boot?
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13:50.40TomTomToschshibly: if you are using network-manager you can remove the offending entry in /etc/network/interfaces
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13:52.49shiblyTomTomTosch: https://bpaste.net/show/e1877fd7b888 , this is the contents of network/interfaces
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13:53.05shiblyTomTomTosch: How can i know if the system is using network-manager or not?
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13:55.02pulseAudioFreakwhats the best audio qualizer for linux ?
13:55.16shibly_abc_: What version of debian are you using?
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13:56.53TomTomToschshibly: i'm not sure what your pppoeconf script does so i can't help you. sry.
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13:57.15shiblyTomTomTosch: It's pppoe internet connection
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13:59.08abrotmanshibly: sometimes
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14:00.32shiblyabrotman: How can i stop: A start job is running Raise network interface during boot?
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14:03.47shiblyabrotman: ?
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14:05.31pulseAudioFreakwhat should I do about this       The following packages have unmet dependencies:  pulseaudio-equalizer : Depends: python-glade2 but it is not going to be installed                         Depends: python-gobject but it is not going to be installed                         Depends: python-gnome2 but it is not going to be installed
14:05.54pulseAudioFreakhow can I install these files for pulse audio equalizer???
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14:06.43Iridospulseaudio-equalizer isn't a debian package
14:07.25duryhi there channel :-) I'm not able to solve this by my own can someone assist me please http://paste.debian.net/432731/
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14:07.49Iridosso you're just breaking your system by installing from a ppa
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14:08.24IridospulseAudioFreak, plus, I answered you how you can have an equalizer without breaking things...
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14:08.43Iridosas you ignored that answer... I don't see that a 2nd one will do anything
14:08.46duryIridos, that's for me?
14:08.52Iridosnope
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14:08.57TomTomToschyes
14:09.08TomTomToschdury: to you too.
14:09.11Iridoswell
14:09.29IridosTomTomTosch, I'm getting good at this... answering questions I havent even read
14:09.50TomTomToschstill counts as one!
14:10.11duryhey guys TomTomTosch, Iridos, can you help me to solve that please
14:10.34Aoriousdury: Rename '50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist' to '50unattended-upgrades'?
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14:10.39Iridosdon't install ubuntu packages into your debian
14:10.42themilldury: what needs solving?
14:10.50teraflopspulseAudioFreak: you can download qpaeq python scriot from sourceforge and install the deps from it needs. I testent it on debian jessie.
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14:10.59teraflopsScript*
14:11.42Iridosteraflops, that's pretty much what I told him yesterday
14:11.49durydrive me what to do
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14:12.00_abc_shibly: version is oldstable wheezy
14:12.02roe_Is there a 'correct' place for non root users to write pid files/
14:12.03TomTomToschdury: it ignored a file as it has an invalid filename but the update still went through.
14:12.04teraflopsAh OK. I can confirm it works
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14:12.11_abc_shibly: and it is stock. I did not mod anything there.
14:12.13_abc_209 files
14:12.44Iridosteraflops, I know... I said so after testing it then got annoyed I wasted 15 minutes, as he was crossposting and obviously not reading stuff... just like now
14:12.57pulseAudioFreakIT woks teraflops you are gold
14:12.59TomTomToschdury: but your system is seriously broken if you installed from all those sources.
14:13.01duryAorious, said to rename that file
14:13.08teraflopsHeh
14:13.09shibly_abc_: Update to jessi, i don't see 209 files here in /boot/grub
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14:13.37shiblyCan anyone answer me? How can i stop "A start job is running for lsb: Raise network interface"
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14:13.42shiblyduring boot
14:13.46_abc_Udating is not the answer. I am trying to get work done.
14:13.59R4F_DebianHi all, I had an error message when used apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get upgrade on my Debian Jessie here. Please, that anyone can help me on fix this error: http://pastebin.com/kNnjTN3K
14:14.05pulseAudioFreakbut how can I add more settings to it to pulse audio equalizer ?
14:14.28shibly_abc_: Can you pastebin the output of ls /boot/grub ?
14:14.46duryTomTomTosch, so what I should dp then?
14:14.55durydp = do
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14:15.23TomTomToschdury: nothing. or remove that file.
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14:16.17shiblyDoes anyone know the answer?
14:16.30TomTomToschdury: atm apt just ignores that file.
14:17.26teraflopspulseAudioFreak: sorry I don't understand that question
14:17.30duryTomTomTosch, so type in terminal "atm apt" ?
14:17.41Aoriousloool
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14:18.08TomTomToschdury: no, that was an english sentence.
14:18.13Aoriousdury: Atm = At the moment
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14:19.08_abc_shibly: http://86.121.146.212:8881/mypaste/3fa740fc1e9d6ffe04a8/ls-boot-grub.txt
14:19.14_abc_Not relevant. Bloatware
14:20.09duryAorious, TomTomTosch, what I have to type in terminal to solve that, then... to delete,
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14:20.23MisterGadflyThere are no wine-gecko and wine-mono packages?
14:20.32Aoriousdury: There is nothing to solve, it is just a warning.
14:20.49TomTomToschdury: rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist
14:20.51shibly_abc_: What do you want to do? Do those files hurt you?
14:20.55_abc_Recap: pc-grub has got to go; the kernel options for wheezy need clarification since a stock kernel won't recognize a UUID specified root dev in despite of using the old config.
14:21.02_abc_shibly: they are confusing and consume space
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14:21.21shibly_abc_: What's the capacity of your hard disk?
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14:22.10shibly_abc_: And the size of your debian wheezy partition?
14:22.13Aoriousdury: What TomTomTosch would prevent the warning or you can just ignore it.
14:22.35Iridosjudd, versions samba-libs
14:22.36juddPackage: samba-libs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u1; stretch: 2:4.3.6+dfsg-1; sid: 2:4.3.7+dfsg-1; experimental: 2:4.4.1+dfsg-1
14:22.38TomTomToschdury: or 'mv /etc/apt/sources.list.d/50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist /some/directory' if you later remember what that file was for.
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14:23.02pulseAudioFreakteraflops like "windows" surround sound, noise regulation, natural hearing, ... the checkpoints you could add on windows sound settings
14:23.07pulseAudioFreaklike virtual surround...
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14:23.22duryhttp://paste.debian.net/432738/
14:23.38themillR4F_Debian: either ignore it until a fixed package is released or force dpkg to overwrite the file. /msg dpkg force-overwrite
14:23.45Aoriousdury, sudo ...
14:23.50teraflopspulseAudioFreak: go use jack
14:23.58durydid as a root
14:24.18duryit gave me that result
14:24.28unborndury: cd /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and then ls
14:24.29Aoriousdury: Sorry, I misread that.
14:24.49unborndury: if you would not see that file then its not there
14:25.24_abc_shibly: not relevant, I use about 7 partitions iirc
14:25.42TomTomToschdury: nvm, i can't read. what is /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist supposed to do for you?
14:25.44pulseAudioFreakteraflops what is jack ?
14:26.08pulseAudioFreakteraflops I have headphones that are plugged inside my notebook and I use qubes os
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14:27.22AoriouspulseAudioFreak, Jack is like PulseAudio. http://www.jackaudio.org/
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14:28.34duryhttp://paste.debian.net/432742/
14:28.45duryis that directory
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14:29.13TomTomToschdury: looks like the package unattended-upgrades is putting it there. looks like a bug.
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14:30.12_abc_So from wheezy on at least (I am still on etch on some machines) it is not possible to build a kernel out of tree since most basic device drivers are not built into the kernel but as modules, and an initrd.img is needed, having the necessary scripts and modules on it to even boot the system.
14:30.21teraflopspulseAudioFreak: I do not know what qubes os is, also qpaeq has what it has do you happen to see there such functionalities youre looking for?
14:30.45duryTomTomTosch, so remove that file 50... blabla
14:30.51TomTomToschdury: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=812380
14:30.52juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/812380 in unattended-upgrades (open): «apt warns about /apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-01-23; last modified: 2016-01-23.
14:30.54_abc_Looks like we are going to part company real soon if it goes on like this.
14:31.09TomTomToschdury: no, i'd just wait for a fix. it does no harm.
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14:32.07durybut can't upgrade the system
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14:32.47TomTomToschdury: but you can. it didn't stop the update.
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14:33.07sharp15is there a way to make a debian laptop connect to the wireless network without a logged in user?
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14:33.16durycan' t install audacious for instance
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14:33.42duryTomTomTosch, need audacious, gessss
14:33.56duryTomTomTosch, how can
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14:34.00teraflopssharp15: yes
14:34.06unbornsharp15: im not sure.. as network passwords are usually stored in users profile which mean such a one should be logged in
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14:34.13TomTomToschdury: so what does apt-get install audacious say?
14:34.14teraflopssharp15: more than one
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14:34.44sharp15teraflops: is there a set of keywords i should be searching for?  google isn't helping much.
14:34.46duryTomTomTosch, one second
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14:35.03TomTomToschdury: i bet you have problems installing software. your system is broken with all the ubuntu ppas in there.
14:35.15teraflopssharp15: set it up in /etc/network/interfaces or use NM
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14:35.32sharp15teraflops: ok.  thanks.
14:35.40unbornteraflops: thanks as well :)
14:36.36duryTomTomTosch, http://paste.debian.net/432744/
14:36.51teraflopssharp15: you can use nmtui as root in a headless machine
14:36.54teraflopsnp
14:37.22duryTomTomTosch, what would you do?
14:37.34TomTomToschdury: your system is broken, 50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist is not the problem.
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14:38.14TomTomToschdury: i'd reinstall the system and not add ubuntu sources.
14:38.28duryTomTomTosch, delete all and start from zero or what?
14:38.28TomTomTosch!tell dury about frankendebian
14:38.35TomTomToschdury: yes.
14:38.45durygesssss
14:39.09duryagain from zero
14:39.16durygesssssss
14:39.22dury:-(
14:39.26TomTomTosch!tell dury about dont break debian
14:39.33duryanyway
14:39.38bezabandpkg is gone I think
14:40.39phy1729dury: (frankendebian) When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess.  There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly  doesn't want to even try.  See if you can convince ##linux to help.
14:40.46unborndury: I suggest you to install /home under separate partition..
14:40.55teraflopsdury: at least you learned something
14:40.55phy1729I don't know if I have don't break debian
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14:41.47duryteraflops, you absolutely right
14:42.18zykotick9phy1729: <dontbreakdebian> just links to https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
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14:45.35duryso no google-chrome in debian...
14:46.08durymmmm no java-oracle
14:46.10AoriousWhat is a lesser evil? Installing directly from a website or frankendebian?
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14:46.21teraflopsdury: thanks god, there is chromium though
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14:46.46durychromium stands flash too?
14:46.49teraflopsdury: thanks good, there is openjdk though²
14:47.04teraflopsdury: use pepperflash
14:47.10unborndury: you can still install google chrome in debian
14:47.56duryspotify in jessie, yes or not
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14:48.13durymmmm.... skype?
14:48.15pulseAudioFreakteraflops I have jack-1.9.10.tar.bz2 how can I intsll it now what command to type in terminal?
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14:48.31teraflopsunborn: he comes from a frankendebian ... I better do not advice him to install shit from 3rd party repos .run files etc etc :p
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14:48.49bhhiuianyone else having a problem updating flash
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14:49.10bhhiuior hasn't the security team worked on the update yet?
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14:49.48teraflopspulseAudioFreak: hey, I mean the low latency sound system for pro audio mixing
14:49.56unbornteraflops: ah did not know that.. however I am sorryt to say that chromium did not worked for me.. shit from 3rd party (chrome) did its job :) but you are right
14:49.57jellydselect: dont break debian
14:49.57dselectdont break debian is, like, https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
14:50.11teraflopsunborn: nah heh it's ok
14:51.23crocodilelillyis that you alligatorjoe...did you finally get firefoxwearlybirdchatzillaenigmachine working on debian
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14:52.35pulseAudioFreakteraflops ? low latency how can I install it now ?   jack-1.9.10.tar.bz2
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14:53.02tuxcrafterhi all, i had a security update with samba today and now i am getting NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED from my localhost with net rpc commands, i am trying to search through debian bugs but how can I search on "NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED" in all samba bugs?
14:53.03teraflopspulseAudioFreak: read carefully prior installing anything that someone randomly advices you (like I did :P) and see if it's what you're looking for
14:53.13bhhiuiseriously, how do we update flash? isn't the security update released yet??
14:53.27bhhiuithat's crazy O_o
14:53.33teraflopspulseAudioFreak: stop downloading random bz2 files ....
14:53.37pulseAudioFreakteraflops im using qubes operating system and create a virtual machine each time for testing ayhow
14:53.50pulseAudioFreakhow can I install that thing ? teraflops
14:53.59teraflopspulseAudioFreak: please read what I said
14:54.01tuxcrafterthis is on debian 7.10 btw
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14:55.42bhhiuianyone?
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14:56.13teraflopsbhhiui: flash as in flashplugin?
14:56.17bhhiuiyes
14:56.22teraflopsuhhg
14:56.34bhhiuihm?
14:56.39duryI will consider all those things guys thanks for you suggestions, cheeerssss
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14:57.12teraflopsdury: take care of you and your sources.list :P
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14:57.46duryteraflops, skype?
14:57.58duryagree in debian?
14:58.13bhhiuiteraflops: should I just use the update from the website? why isn't it updating?
14:58.20duryI guess so ... absolutely not
14:58.21teraflopsdury: yes
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14:58.45petemcanyone know why vim-nox would stop doing proper perl synyax highlighting and revert to vim-basic type highlighting where code is all just one colour?
14:58.48teraflopsbhhiui: do you really need flashplayer?
14:59.06petemchave purged and reinstalled vim-nox, the symlink is correct
14:59.10jellybhhiui: I just install new chrome from google's repo, what fails to work for you?
14:59.36duryif I need flash I will use google-chrome
14:59.38bhhiuiteraflops: yes
14:59.43tharkunI recently isntalled light-locker but I am unable to find where to configure it. Can someno slap me on the right direction?
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15:00.02jellydury: it's the actual source for flash for linux anyway
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15:00.47durywish flash to disappear
15:00.58bhhiuijelly: I have contrib and I can't update
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15:01.19bhhiuiwell, I can, but the plugin says it's still vulnerable
15:01.26bhhiuiso it's not updating
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15:02.17jellyremove that one completely, I guess
15:02.44bhhiuiI did, and reinstalled it from contrib again
15:02.45durydeb-multimedia sources... yes or not?
15:02.47bhhiuinot updating
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15:03.15teraflopsbhhiui: are you talking about flashplugin package?
15:03.23duryhave to go
15:03.25bhhiuiyes teraflops, the nonfree one
15:03.30the_other_catHello, I face an annoying problem with iceweasel, which always opens downloaded PDF files with gimp instead of my default PDF reader (zathura). I know I can edit /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache to enfore zathura (which works), but after rebooting gimp is again the first associated application for PDFs. Any thoughts what causes this? Whats confusing to me is that the mentioned file is owned by
15:03.36the_other_catroot so I think icewaesel can't write it?!
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15:03.49teraflopsbhhiui: do not use it is what jelly is trying to tell you I think
15:03.53erkun-I'm trying to clone with drbl network , but fails because I have connected a disk and is called " sda " , is there any way to change "sda " to " sdb" or " hda "?
15:03.53erkun-Because the clone seeks hdd as " sdb" on the other computer and another computer disk mounts it as "sda "
15:04.06teraflopstheres pepperflash thing this days
15:04.14bhhiuiteraflops: what's a good alternative?
15:04.28bhhiuiah ok
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15:04.36bhhiuidoes it work just as well?
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15:04.55teraflopsbhhiui: no idea i do not use flash
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15:06.18teraflopsbhhiui: https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer/Installing
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15:06.41jellysomething something browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash ?
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15:10.03cluelesspersonHow do you change the root emails that go out?
15:10.04bhhiuijelly: teraflops it says browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash is not trusted
15:10.11Sgt_PinbackHi.  Is there a console program which will give me the name of the country when I give it it's code on the commandline?  (eg country uk)
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15:10.35cluelesspersonsome employees from other departments are getting emails from some servers and I need to correct it
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15:11.56tharkuncluelessperson: What do you mean by that? the root messages sent when apt installs a program?
15:12.49tharkunEach mail has its envelope you need to analyze each envelope to understand what/who is sending the messages so you can figure out how to correct it.
15:12.54petemccluelessperson: /etc/aliases, most commonly
15:12.54cluelesspersontharkun, In this case it's a warning that /var partition is full
15:12.58dionysus69how do I investigate what are some services for?
15:13.14tharkundionysus69: google will surely have the answer.
15:13.18dionysus69for example I am wondering what are virtual box services for? I am using it once in a while to run it
15:13.30dionysus69google didnt help, it didnt explain what they were for tharkun
15:13.42dionysus69nor virtualbox documentation mention services
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15:13.50tharkuncluelessperson: check for cronjobs that check the partitions. and then check your alias maps according to your mta set up.
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15:14.13cluelesspersontharkun, this seems to be your typical system message I think
15:15.15tharkuncluelessperson: There ar no "typical system messages" someon set it up. Now it is your turn to fix it. I strongly recommend a dive to /var/log/mail.info to see who sent it and then dig back from there.
15:15.27dionysus69btw if you guys help me setup my dovecot postfix integration, I wouldn't know how to thank you. I have postfix with default settings workings but I tried like 4 different guides of postfix/dovecot integration and none worked
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15:16.21tharkundionysus69: There is a #postfix @chat.freenode.net and a #dovecot read the www.postfix.org documents they are very easy to understand and very ilustrative.
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15:16.39tharkunEven dovecot has an integration guide to postfix.
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15:17.34dionysus69:\ ok will give it one more shot hahaha
15:17.41jellyI would know how to thank me: $100/hr :-)
15:17.56han-soloevil laugh!
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15:19.29cluelesspersontharkun, bunch of error messages, but no indication of who sent the mail
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15:20.00abrotmanguess he got an answer :(
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15:20.45tharkuncluelessperson: grep the email address of the recipient and start digging from the mail id you will eventually see the entry point with the appropiate credentials and there is your guilty party.
15:20.53unborncluelessperson: whats the email they coming from? like root@hostname of the computer?
15:20.55cluelesspersondionysus69, Email is a bitch
15:21.10tharkuncluelessperson: email is a way of living :)
15:21.17cluelesspersonunborn, "notifications" @ host-mycompany.com
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15:21.42unborncluelessperson: yes that should be correct
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15:21.56tharkuncluelessperson: The full line of the entry point will tell you if it was sent using sendmail program or something else
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15:22.11unbornmy srv sends it out as root@...
15:22.12cluelesspersontharkun, dionysus69   The email standard is old, decrepid, difficult, and the email programs available are trash to setup and lack maturity.  It shouldn't be that difficult to setup.
15:22.30cluelesspersontharkun, entry point?
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15:24.31tharkunAn email enters your mail queue through different entries. one of them is sendmail, the other might be a milter, 127.0.0.1:587 or the standard 25 port.
15:25.49tharkunCheck crontabs, alias maps and anything that might redirect to that specified user. If you are unable to find the apropiate log entries then go to the user desktop and inspect the email headers.
15:26.48tharkunAnd then compare the apropiate logs to the timestamp and serial identification of the email so you can trace it back. Most of the time either the envelope address or the authorized user will give you a good clue on how to fix it.
15:27.56tharkundionysus69: http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html start from there so you get to know how postfix works.
15:29.24dionysus69tharkun: thanks :)
15:30.32dionysus69but actually I am already familiar with postfix part enough. I can send and receive email, it just gets delievered in /var/mail some play. I just want to put usable interface on it with help of dovecot
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15:34.41tharkundionysus69: lmtp is your friend use it to deliver to dovecot and let it run. Dovecot will provide an imap/pop3 capabilities to your users so they can read from their clients.
15:35.07tharkunIf you want an http interface look up roundcube it is a nice web front to send/recieve email.
15:35.50tharkunLet me beat the crap out of my notes and I will give you a nicely written document to set everything nicely.
15:35.57cluelesspersonI can't tell where these emails are coming from
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15:36.48MeanEYEIs there anything special I need to do for Debian Testing to install it on UEFI machine?
15:36.56tharkuncluelessperson: Then go to the user and inspect the envelope of the email. That information is there.
15:37.00teraflopsand use sasl TLS and sane certificate
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15:37.57teraflopsMeanEYE: apart boot in UEFI mode?
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15:38.32elysiumhow can I delete every GPG Key in one command? gpg --delete-key wants an ID..
15:38.38dionysus69tharkun: if you can guide me through all the process I promise I will teach 3 more people about this :D
15:39.00dionysus69<< googling lmtp
15:39.02tharkundionysus69: You have got a PM
15:39.08MeanEYEteraflops, you mean UEFI only mode?
15:39.18teraflopsonly?
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15:40.31MeanEYEteraflops, there's with Legacy support, which I tried and GRUB did stupid things.
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15:40.52MeanEYEteraflops, UEFI + Legacy, and it probably chose legacy from the two. That's why I asked UEFI only mode.
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15:41.25teraflopsMeanEYE: since legacy means do as it was BIOS
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15:42.19teraflopsMeanEYE: enable UEFI mode, I'm not aware at every UEFI implementation menu/options/etc just disable secure boot but let UEFI enabled
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15:43.24teraflopsMeanEYE: ah then it sound you want UEFI only
15:43.39teraflopsMeanEYE: btw do you do dual boot?
15:43.39MeanEYEteraflops, but then it doesn't show bootable USB :/
15:43.49MeanEYENo. I want any mention of Winblows gone.
15:43.59teraflopsMeanEYE: tell your firmware to boot from the usb
15:44.18teraflopsMeanEYE: btw what are you booting?
15:45.08MeanEYEteraflops, Debian Testing, I don't have option of selecting USB as boot if legacy is disbled.
15:45.08teraflopsdebian live isos do not do UEFI I believe, just use the installer ones
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15:45.36MeanEYEteraflops, it is installer for Debian Testing.
15:45.43teraflopsMeanEYE: then no idea sorry
15:45.52MeanEYEteraflops, Thanks, I'll figure it out I think.
15:46.09MeanEYEStupid Google gives me wrong answers to search for Debian Testing, assumes I want wheezy or something.
15:46.10teraflopsMeanEYE: tried with a jessie iso?
15:46.28MeanEYEteraflops, No. I want testing on these machines.
15:46.35cluelesspersontharkun, I'm looking at the original email, not sure what I'm looking for in the metadata
15:46.43teraflopsMeanEYE: debian does UEFI since ... well years
15:47.07teraflopsMeanEYE: the preferred way is installing a minimal system and then dist-upgrade
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15:49.00tharkuncluelessperson: An email is like an onion the first header is the last added look for Received: headers
15:49.05teraflopsEFI*^
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15:49.26frozengeekHey quick Q, how do I build a deb package without having an orig.tar? If i run debuild locally it complains and I press "Y" to continue anyway, and it works, but when building on our jenkins it doesn't really work. (as jenkins can't type the "Y")
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15:50.24jellyfrozengeek: why debuild and not dpkg-buildpackage directly?
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15:51.05frozengeekjelly: don't really know :-) (I'm not a star in debian packaging)
15:51.24tharkun!ssb
15:51.24dpkgFirst, check for a backport on <debian-backports>.  If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.  To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
15:51.28jellydo you only want to build, or do you plan on uploading both source and binary debs somewhere?
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15:52.53frozengeekjelly: I want to build and upload those packages to our internal repos. (on every git push, with a version number we sed into the changlog just before building)
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15:53.42cluelesspersontharkun,  Received: from [192.168.2.13] (helo=jhamilton)
15:54.19unbornguys.. is it possible to have pptp vpn server to be able to connect to my internal network but without internet?
15:54.55tharkuncluelessperson: There you go. now look for the user. ( Bets are running that is an infected computer)
15:55.13unbornI mean user via internet to my vpn to browse my home server.. but not internet while is on vpn or use his own internet..not via my vpn..
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15:55.30frozengeekjelly: but running dpkg-buildpackage seems to do the trick. (I was just following some howtos I found, and they all use debuild)
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15:56.03tharkununborn: That set up beats the purpose of the vpn although it can be done. Depending on the piece of software you are setting it up.
15:56.08cluelesspersontharkun,  I don't think that user exists on that server.
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15:56.58tharkuncluelessperson: You are a forensic analyzer now. Don't think. Go and check. You are looking for facts, strong evidence to find the guilty party.
15:57.17cluelesspersontharkun,    cat /etc/passwd | grep jham    nothing
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15:58.34tharkunSo there is no systemuser with that name.
15:58.45tharkunWhat mta is running there?
15:59.20tharkungrep jhamiltor /var/log/mail.info
15:59.37teraflopsif the system is misconfigured is quite easy send emails with whatever user, or it's just there are virtual users then they are not meant to be in /etc/passwd
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16:00.07cluelesspersontharkun, nothing back
16:00.14cluelesspersonteraflops, I don't think we use virtual users
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16:01.48cluelesspersontharkun,    mailcap is installed
16:01.52tharkunSo it is an unauthorized server. You need to ask your mailadmin to disable the sendmail program and force authorization to that server.
16:02.29tharkuncluelessperson: Sorry I'm totally unfamiliar with mailcap therefore your mailadmin suggestion.
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16:02.47tharkunbbl
16:03.02cluelesspersontharkun,  It was a valid warning message.  The /var/ partition was low on space.    I inherited this server room to fix up
16:03.15cluelesspersonsuch a shit setup lol
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16:08.11AoriousHow do prevent Gnome showing me errors, when I eject this device? Command-Line, Verbose Output: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/c19cb421/ (It does eject)
16:10.52cluelesspersontharkun, well I'm going to grep and search for "jham" in EVERY file on the filesystem then.
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16:13.07_abc_Did debian ever intend to make the debian systems too complex to maintain by "outsiders"?
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16:13.48mtn_abc_: how can you maintain anything if you don't know how to use it or maintain it?
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16:15.41_abc_Non sequitur. Remember I have worked with linux systems since 1995, slack, suse, debian, and some others. And before that with other non unix systems, and with sunos, bsd, junos, you name it. I am not asking this as a troll or out of boredom. When the boot systems of a classic *nix clone move from 3 dozen scripts to 500 binary files between 3 versions something is wrong. Note I am posting this on an etch whi
16:15.47_abc_ch was once knoppix and is now maintained ...
16:15.49_abc_... by hand.
16:16.27thurstylarkI'm trying to cross-compile for armhf (raspberry pi), and need libglib2.0-dev:armhf, but apt wants to remove the amd64 versions of the packages. Is there a way for them to coexist? I would like to compile the same thing for amd64 and armhf.
16:16.34_abc_Somewhere between etch and wheezy massive bloat set in. Imho. Imnsho.
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16:22.09freeone3000_abc_: systemd is what did it, then.
16:22.33_abc_No, that is on top of it and urelated.
16:22.37_abc_+n
16:23.08_abc_More examples: starting xdm in a properly remoted ssh -X -Y shell starts it on a tty on the remote machine not on the ssh forwarded connection
16:23.18_abc_Breaking *nix step by step, are we
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16:38.09badtuxhi
16:38.10badtuxall
16:38.14badtuxhow are you
16:38.32greycatWill be better when you stop hitting Enter instead of Space.
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16:39.21anticitizenhi
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16:41.04anticitizenanyone use ircii?
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16:41.33dontknowanticitizen, ask your question
16:41.36jelly,v ircii
16:41.37greycat,popcon ircii
16:41.38juddPackage: ircii on amd64 -- squeeze: 20051015-2.3; jessie: 20060725-1; wheezy: 20060725-1; stretch: 20151120-1; sid: 20151120-1
16:41.39juddPopcon data for ircii: inst: 443, vote: 74, old: 346, recent: 23, nofiles: 0
16:41.49greycatApproximately 23 people.
16:41.56dontknowlol
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16:42.03anticitizenheh
16:42.26dontknow,popcon mpv
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16:42.47jelly2006 something... then 2015 something, with no release between makes a prospective user slightly concerned
16:42.47anticitizenwas wondering if it was possible to connect to multiple channels with the same nick. i've got several instances running in differentterminal windows, but i am forced to use a different nick for each one
16:43.04greycatYou always have the same nick in ALL the channels on a single network.
16:43.10jellyanticitizen: irssi is used a lot more.
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16:43.33anticitizenthanks, i'll look into that, i just picked a client from apt-cache search
16:43.38greycatIf you run multiple IRC clients, then each one must have a separate identity.
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16:43.49greycatIf you want multiple terminals all to share the same client, use tmux or screen.
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16:44.15dontknowhexchat is simple and great
16:44.27jellyor use a client with its own frontend/backend architecture (I'm not saying client-server)
16:44.35DelfIn the settings, the default keyboard shortcut in gnome to log out is ctrl+alt delete. When I hit it, it wants to shutdown the computer instead of logging out. Is this a bug or have I misunderstood something?
16:44.53anticitizenI was looking for something for commandline. I'll check out irssi
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16:45.12anticitizenwith any luck i'll be back in a few
16:45.14greycatirssi is what I use.
16:45.23thurstylarkanticitizen: personally, I run weechat on my vps in a screen session, and connect to it with an alias that I built: http://vps.thurstylark.com/bashrc/blob/master/.bashrc#L-97
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16:45.36anticitizenthanks. what's the syntax for connecting?
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16:46.02teraflopsthurstylark: weechat has relay mode I like it
16:46.57greycatircii was generally replaced by epic4 which was replaced by irssi, kinda like how elm was replaced by mutt.
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16:47.23anticitizengotcha
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16:48.02anticitizentrying to force myself to get more comfortable without x-windows
16:48.23thurstylarkanticitizen: with the alias I linked you, weechat gets aliased to 'mosh vps -- screen -dr weechat' if it's not installed on the local machine. This also requires that weechat be running in a screen session named "weechat" which is taken care of with a systemd service on my server.
16:48.30jellygreycat: and mutt by thunderbird
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16:48.38teraflopsin the beginning it was bitchx
16:48.53greycatwtf is a thunderbird, and no, bitchx was never on the same track.
16:48.57greycat!bitchx
16:48.58dpkgBitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII.  It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373.  Ask me about <irssi>, <xchat>, <konversation>, <weechat> for alternatives.  To ignore BitchX quit messages in irssi, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>.
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16:49.18anticiti1enhere i am
16:49.32teraflopsI meant bitch is older than irssi, I wonder
16:49.32anticiti1enon irssi now. that was pretty intuitive
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16:49.52greycatbitchx was like a fork, by and for l33t 14 year old kiddies.
16:50.12thurstylarkworth mentioning that the setup I mentioned will work just as well with irssi :P
16:50.13teraflopsheh
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16:50.44anticiti1enthanks, i'll check it out
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16:51.05greycatgoogle says thunderbird is a mozilla thing, and it looks like a GUI app.  that obviously won't replace mutt/elm.
16:51.15tjcarterI still use znc as it can relay for more than just weechat and is a known, solid quantity
16:51.20anticiti1enmozilla's dropping thunderbird
16:51.54tjcarterwonders why anyone would replace mutt
16:52.07jellygreycat: au contraire, that already replaced mutt and elm with all the normal people
16:52.26greycatI don't think normal means what you think it means.
16:52.30anticiti1engreycat, do you know how to filter out the join/leave notifications in irssi?
16:52.37greycatNope.  Ask #irssi.
16:52.47anticiti1enin ircii the command /ignore * crap worked to filter them
16:52.51tjcarterstill uses a variant of the Pine-like config he was posting to debian-devel back in 1998 to help people migrate away from the rather non-free at the time UW code
16:52.52anticiti1enwill do
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16:53.21thurstylarkanticiti1en: weechat has a smart filter that will only show join/part for people who have talked in the last so many minutes.
16:53.22teraflopstjcarter: I do weechat relay and I'm fine I can connect from different devices/OS since it does weechat/IRC protocols
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16:53.29MeanEYEteraflops, could it be that I have to install 64bit system? And 32bit is not supported by UEFI?
16:53.50tjcarterteraflops: I may have to become interested in that then.  I do like weechat and find it mostly complete
16:53.55greycatWhy would you want to install a 32bit system if you have a choice?
16:54.00jellyweechat and, I think, quassel, are examples of irc clients with their own client/server archittecture
16:54.01tjcarterstill wish it could replay notifications while away
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16:54.19teraflopsMeanEYE: I dont think so, unless youre running and old as hell macbook or something like that
16:54.23LtLanticiti1en: /ignore #debian joins parts quits
16:54.27MeanEYEteraflops, thanks
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16:54.42tjcarteralso weechat's /ignore is a little rough.
16:55.14anticiti1enlooks like it's "/ignore * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS"
16:56.12jellyignoring nick changes is
16:56.22jelly-worksometimes problematic
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16:56.37tjcarterI thought irssi had more or less been orphaned upstream a couple of years ago.  Someone picked it up?
16:56.59teraflopstjcarter: I did time ago a still working tutorial for that, since I couldn't find any info with all the pieces together. https://blog.mysticemporium.xyz/blog/2015-06-22/weechat/
16:57.15cluelesspersonI'm having difficulty tracking down the source of an email
16:57.23tjcarterteraflops: I'll have a look, thanks.  I'm about to go into a phone meeting
16:57.28teraflopsnp
16:57.29cluelesspersonfrom a specific server
16:57.37greycatcluelessperson: read the headers, bottom to top, looking specifically at Received:
16:58.03greycatThe bottom-most Received: header is the first one.  Each new one goes on top of that.
16:58.10tjcarterFor me the issue with znc of course is that I have ... several nets.  And weechat's logging isn't ideal.
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16:58.58tjcarterAnd of course it's being logged on a little pi across town that requires three layers of sshing to reach.  I really oughtta fix that, but I worry that Raspbian jessie doesn't get security fixes fast enough to do that.
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16:59.14tjcarteranyway, I haz meeting
16:59.17jellytjcarter: I'm connected with 3 clients to 3 networks with znc.  A bit complex with 1.4 but 1.6 is supposedly simpler
16:59.31tjcarterI've got clients as old as 1.2
16:59.46tjcartermultiple OSes and package managers
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17:00.01jellybut only one znc installation is needed
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17:03.50cluelesspersongreycat,  [192.168.2.13] (helo=jhamilton)   That user no longer exists on that server.
17:04.24greycatSo?  That's just who they *said* they were.
17:04.35greycatAnd helo is usually a hostname, not a user name.
17:04.59greycatOr, it was intended to be a hostname.  Nowadays it's just another vector for advertising/spam.
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17:05.57anticitizencan anyone recommend any other good linux or tech based channels? I'm new to IRC.
17:06.08teraflops<PROTECTED>
17:06.25jellythey have two hashes.
17:06.26greycatThis one is pretty good sometimes.
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17:06.42greycatOtherwise, you have to narrow your criteria a bit.  *what* tech?
17:06.43teraflopsanticitizen: ##linux
17:06.52jellyanticitizen: most of this particular network is tech based channels.
17:07.01anticitizenthanks
17:07.09MisterGadflyOk, so if I set my pulseaudio "master volume" to, let's say, 50% and then I increase the volume using mpv to something like 70%, then the master volume gets raised to 70%. How do I fix this?
17:07.20MisterGadflympv is set to use pulse
17:07.26greycatThis network has basically one (or more) channel for every major software application, operating system and programming language.
17:07.29jellyanticitizen: /msg alis help list
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17:08.03dontknowMisterGadfly, wasn't it intended that way?
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17:08.45MisterGadflydontknow: no. I want for pulseaudio's master volume to remain at the same value regardless of mpv's volume
17:09.05jellyMisterGadfly: does the volume of other apps playing simultaneously actually change?
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17:09.27MisterGadflyActually, I just tested this with mpd and it does the same thing
17:09.30MisterGadflyjelly: ye
17:09.58jellyMisterGadfly: and you are using -ao pulse ?
17:10.05MisterGadflyjelly: yes
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17:10.22teraflopsjelly: I get redirected to ##linux when I do /join #linux
17:10.32jellyyeah, it's not the obvious right thing that should happen
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17:11.00MisterGadflyjelly: ?
17:11.02teraflopsnvm I was just curious
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17:11.34jellyMisterGadfly: I merely agree the behaviour is weird and probably incorrect
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17:11.49be270c0b7cb33812hello!  i have the problem with install VBox, can you help me?
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17:12.35nkuttlerbe270c0b7cb33812: problem?
17:12.49be270c0b7cb33812vboxdrv not installed
17:12.49teraflops_the_ problem
17:12.58greycat!problem
17:12.59dpkghmm... problem is something that can be solved, fixed or worked around if properly described.  A good thorough description of the problem, with detailed steps of how to reproduce the problem, the produced output, and the expected output, is the best start to discuss a problem.
17:13.30MisterGadflyjelly: could this be specific to my driver/hardware?
17:13.31teraflopsdoes debian do dkms for vbox?
17:13.45jellyMisterGadfly: no, I've seen something similar before
17:13.59jellyteraflops: does debian do vbox at all?
17:14.05be270c0b7cb33812i not find linux-headers-4.3.0-amd64 in reps
17:14.16jellybe270c0b7cb33812: which debian release are you using?
17:14.22be270c0b7cb33812debian 9
17:14.28jellythat's not out yet
17:14.33teraflops,v virtualbox
17:14.34juddPackage: virtualbox on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.32-dfsg-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.0.16-dfsg-2~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 5.0.16-dfsg-2+b1;
17:14.34greycatHe's from the fuuuuture.
17:14.35juddsid/contrib: 5.0.16-dfsg-2+b1
17:15.00teraflopsjelly: yes, it seems so
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17:15.12dontknowMisterGadfly, i use alsa. mpv doesn't change master volume
17:15.13jellybe270c0b7cb33812: let's assume you're using stretch.  install the latest matching linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64, reboot into _that_ and try again
17:15.43MisterGadflyI never had this problem on archlinux
17:15.53jellybe270c0b7cb33812: you're using an outdated kernel package at this moment
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17:16.10MisterGadflyAnd I'm using the same configuration files for mpv and mpd
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17:16.40jellyMisterGadfly: I wouldn't be surprised arch actually cared enough to tune their pulse and alsa settings to work the right way.
17:17.49be270c0b7cb33812linux-image-amd64 yet installed
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17:17.56Phiber2000Hi! I replaced the servers in "/etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf" and restarted systemd-timesyncd.service - it uses them. But when I reboot the pc - it uses "....debian.pool.ntp.org" until I restart the service again. Why?
17:18.11be270c0b7cb33812linux-headers-amd64 install to
17:18.12jellyPhiber2000: which debian release?
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17:18.31Phiber2000jelly, 8.4
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17:19.00be270c0b7cb33812which information you need for solve my problem?
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17:19.43jellybe270c0b7cb33812: eh, just make sure the kernel that is booted is actually the current kernel for stretch.
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17:20.03jelly,kernels
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17:20.17jellybe270c0b7cb33812: stretch: 4.4.0-1-amd64 seems to be current.
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17:20.24jelly!debian-next
17:20.24dpkg#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode.  If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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17:20.45jellybe270c0b7cb33812: ^^ the right place to ask about testing/stretch is #debian-next channel on irc.oftc.net
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17:32.14Iridosjelly, he's gone... but  my mpv doesn't act that way... no program does afaik
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17:32.39Iridoseverything got their own application-slider in pavucontrol... and if they move something, that's what they move
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17:35.15jdfngkjdfgjproblem with install vbox. when i started VM, i see error Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908) and vbox suggest me `modprobe vboxdrv` but i see error again modprobe: FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found in directory /lib/modules/4.3.0-1-amd64. debian 9, 4.3.0-1-amd64
17:35.49greycatjdfngkjdfgj: you were told to install the CURRENT stretch kernel, and the CURRENT stretch headers that match, and to REBOOT into it.
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17:36.30teraflopsPhiber2000: how do you check it uses debian ones after rebooting?
17:37.24jdfngkjdfgjwhich current stretch kernel? and which current stretch headers?
17:37.43Phiber2000teraflops, Syslog entry says: "systemd-timesyncd[27139]: Using NTP server 37.120.191.245:123 (0.debian.pool.ntp.org)."
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17:37.48Iridos[19:20] <jelly> be270c0b7cb33812: stretch: 4.4.0-1-amd64 seems to be current.
17:37.57greycatYou were ALSO told: 13:20  jelly> be270c0b7cb33812: stretch: 4.4.0-1-amd64 seems to be current.
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17:38.03Iridosgreycat, :D
17:38.12teraflopsPhiber2000: yeah systemctl lel same here :P
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17:39.39jdfngkjdfgji try it
17:39.41jdfngkjdfgjTY
17:39.51Phiber2000teraflops, But it happens just at reboot. Manual restart reads the timesyncd.conf as "normal"...
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17:40.27MisterGadflyWhen enabling/disabling modules for php, wouldn't it be faster to just remove/add symlinks instead of using the phpenmod/phpdismod commands or do they do something more than that?
17:40.32teraflopsPhiber2000: I guess it deserves a bug report
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17:41.12Phiber2000terabit, I guess you're right... :(
17:41.21IridosMisterGadfly, I'm on stable with pulse and my mpv behaves correctly (changing the application-volume in pulse)
17:41.36IridosMisterGadfly, maybe try with a testuser that doesn't have any configuration
17:41.49MisterGadflyIridos: I'm using the unstable repos
17:41.57teraflopsPhiber2000: hey I'm a teraflop :P
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17:42.17MisterGadflyIridos: meh, the bug doesn't bother me that much. I gave up on fixing it.
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17:46.34IridosMisterGadfly, well... a) that's what unstable is for... write a bug report, check them first... probably not an mpv thing, but pulse https://bugs.debian.org/pulseaudio ... but really check if it's not your own config
17:47.03IridosMisterGadfly, b) ask #debian-next on irc.oftc.net which focuses more on testing/unstable
17:47.25Phiber2000teraflops, You forgot the 's'... :D
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17:48.25teraflopsPhiber2000: yeah I can confirm your issue
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17:50.52teraflopsPhiber2000: I've read it can pick time servers from dhcp or get it dynamically from systemd-networkd (but it's from systemd 216) theres also no man page as the header for the file suggest.... what a mess :P
17:51.00MisterGadflyIridos: I didn't touch pulseaudio's configuration
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17:52.38tester21i would like to try a sotware from source called audio-recorder. configure says: configure: error: Package requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.14.0) were not met:        i installed libglib2.0 which installed a bunch of packages but running configure again gives the same error
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17:53.10greycattester21: try installing libglib2.0-dev
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17:53.38greycatFor compiling you need the -dev packages.
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17:54.47tester21hm, after a second look maybe that software is not capable or recording a stream...
17:54.49tester21thanks
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17:59.09teraflopstester21: you can use pulseadio directly for that though
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18:03.35MeanEYECan I upgrade any installation to testing?
18:03.40MeanEYEAnd then do dist-upgrade
18:03.53greycatYou can only upgrade from current stable to testing, not from oldstable or older.
18:04.02MeanEYEThanks.
18:04.08MeanEYECurrent stable is 8.x?
18:04.11greycatyes
18:04.16MeanEYEThanks.
18:04.27hiyamy debian laptop just randomly boot
18:04.38hiyahwo can I know what is wrong?
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18:04.46tester21teraflops, sure mplayer works also....but all the bells and whistles arent there
18:04.47hiyaI think it could be power issues
18:04.50greycatRandom spontaneous reboot is usually a hardware problem.
18:04.54hiyasince it was plugging it
18:05.05hiyagreycat, Not spontaneous though
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18:08.17teraflopshiya: ah it boots?
18:08.54hiyateraflops, it does reboot when plugged in for charging,
18:09.04teraflopssorry I read randomly boot
18:09.06hiyaI think it is electricity issues it is common in my village
18:09.08teraflopsnvm
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18:09.19hiyateraflops, but still how can I find some issues if any?
18:09.21hiyawhich logs?
18:09.28greycatThere would not be any logs of this.
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18:12.56MeanEYEAnyone has idea why I can't boot Debian stable from UEFI...
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18:13.17MeanEYEIt just defaults to whatever it feels like.
18:13.17markybobyou're either using secure boot or live cd most likely
18:13.29zykotick9MeanEYE: are you trying to use the livecd?  that might be why.
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18:13.37MeanEYENo, netinst.
18:13.41MeanEYEFrom USB.
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18:13.51markybobthen probably secure boot
18:13.52jellyMeanEYE: how did you write the usb?
18:13.58MeanEYEjelly, dd
18:14.21stonedAnyone know who has packageks of php7 for stable debian maybe?
18:14.25stonedthanks
18:14.40stonedIf there are any, at all.
18:14.49jellyMeanEYE: to the whole device?  that's supposed to be fine but sometimes it doesn't write it full, cp is safer
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18:14.53greycatWait, they skipped a whole number?  Did they pull a Microsoft?
18:14.57stonedHey jelly, greycat
18:15.03MeanEYEmarkybob, secure boot is disabled but still ignores my boot
18:15.03stonedHaha, yes. There wasn't a php6
18:15.09MeanEYEjelly, CP individual files?
18:15.19jellyMeanEYE: no, cp blah.iso /dev/sdf
18:15.26MeanEYEjelly, okay! thanks.
18:15.46teraflopsgreycat: heh
18:15.52jellyI don't know why but it appears to sometimes make a difference
18:15.57markybobstoned: do you really, really need it? there's a way not recommended and not supported
18:15.58stonedyou can also use dd if=/path/iso of=/dev/sdf
18:16.03markybobstoned: or do you just want something shiny?
18:16.14jellystoned: that's exactly what they did
18:16.43jellyand it sometimes doesn't to the right thing
18:16.44MeanEYEstoned, I did use that. But apparently doesn't like it.
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18:17.03awal1Why all the softwares used for audio/video streaming, display interactive multimedia contents , such as adobe flash, html5, use so a lot of cpu? Sometimes it goes to 100%
18:17.21stonedmarkybob: I use stable as my dev workstation. I have default stable php in here coupled with composer of php, and I setup a homestead laravel php virtuamachine in virtualbox, and setted up outside shared directory to put my code in, this is a direcotry with github repository.
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18:17.38jelly,v php7.0
18:17.39juddPackage: php7.0 on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.5-2; stretch: 7.0.5-2
18:17.46stonedI wanted to see if I can get php7 in stable for composer, but I guess it doestn' matter, just to get dependencies
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18:17.48jellyno jessie for you
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18:18.40teraflopsawal1: you can do the mpv + youtube-dl thing too
18:18.45stonedI shifted to Denver last week. Now to find debian group here :)
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18:19.21stonedI too use mpv/smplayer and youtube-dl (which is used by smtube)
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18:19.33awal1teraflops, yeah I do that, but just curious about the technical side of why my cpu usage goes to 100%
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18:19.54MeanEYEI still can't get it to boot off of my USB.
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18:20.01MeanEYECould it be USB drive?
18:20.23teraflopsMeanEYE: what error/s do you get? (if any)
18:20.30stonedMeanEYE: when you boot from usb what does the pc do? You selected USB from bios boot options? at that point are there ay lights that blink on your usb?
18:20.43awal1also 100% cpu usage when I run ffmpeg for record desktop
18:20.51jellyMeanEYE: more likely you just have an unusual firmware
18:20.53MeanEYEteraflops, stoned, nothing, just boots next default version.
18:20.54stonedstart from eliminating possible hardware problems, work your way to software
18:21.05stonedwhich usb stick is it? make/model
18:21.15teraflopsMeanEYE: what's next default version?
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18:21.19MeanEYEwinblows
18:21.35teraflopsah well the usb is not detected for booting from it?
18:21.51MeanEYEUSB is seen in the menu, after I select it just ignores it and moves on to windows.
18:22.00stonedIn recent windows versios you  have to go into firmware seettings via windows and let it reboot then select USB booting adn turn off secure boot and all that junk
18:22.08teraflopsMeanEYE: I asked you time ago if youre doing dual boot
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18:22.24MeanEYEteraflops, on one machine yes, on other no. So I didn't lie.
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18:22.38MeanEYEBoth behave the same and ignore USB.
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18:22.42markybobMeanEYE: sounds like you did cp image.iso /dev/sdX1 instead of /dev/sdX maybe?
18:22.44teraflopsMeanEYE: tried in more then one machine, same usb? uhmmm
18:22.48teraflopsthan*
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18:23.12MeanEYEmarkybob, didn't make that mistake.
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18:23.35teraflopsMeanEYE: tried with another usb stick for the sake of your sanity?
18:23.36MeanEYEteraflops, yes same USB, multiple machines, same failure. Right now I have only one with Windows on it and it's failing.
18:23.41MeanEYEteraflops, about to.
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18:24.34stonedare you copying a usb image to the usb or a cd iamge?
18:24.43stonedan iso9660 format iso won't work on a usb
18:25.01teraflopsawal1: yeah my laptop sounds like a train too :P
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18:25.27awal1:)
18:25.32MeanEYEstoned, ISO to USB.
18:25.50jellystoned: it's debian netinst
18:25.56stonedok
18:26.17MeanEYEjelly, I tried with stable and different images, both 64bit and 32bit.
18:26.20jellyso it's both an iso and a hybrid mbr-bootable "usb hdd" and a hybrid uefi bootable.
18:26.28jellyfsvo "both"
18:26.32stonedcool
18:26.41stonedhybrid images are fun
18:26.55stonedThere is however still a method to boot your debian installer over the network.
18:27.16teraflopsMeanEYE: some weird firmwares can behave like this but you've tested in 2 machines (I guess different models)
18:27.17MeanEYEstoned, non-free :/ drivers
18:27.25stonedno problem
18:27.38stonedFind out your chipset, then grab the driver fw packages for wifi
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18:27.49stonedKeep those pakcages on usb
18:27.51MeanEYEteraflops, one is yoga laptop, other HP desktop.
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18:28.01stonedand boot debian installer kernel/ramdisk using windows grub
18:28.05stonedneogrub or grub2
18:28.11stonedwhichever one you want.
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18:28.25MeanEYEWhat I find weird that after installing legacy, I can't boot again.
18:28.31MeanEYEAs if it doesn't look for MBR.
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18:28.53stonedThen once the isntaller is running, mount the usb and load the drivers
18:28.59stonedcontinue w/ the rest of the installation
18:29.02teraflopsdisabled secure boot?
18:29.06MeanEYEteraflops, yes. :/
18:29.10teraflopsweird
18:29.16MeanEYEI'll have to figure something out.
18:29.24stonedThat's like my last resort method in case I hae nothing to boot netinst with
18:29.34stonedso long as you have an existing OS, you can start the debian installer.
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18:30.36teraflopsMeanEYE: tried other distro iso, just for testing purposes?
18:30.38MeanEYESo can you explain the normal, no problems process installing with UEFI enabled no secure from USB.
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18:30.57MeanEYEteraflops, no. But I see debian and ubuntu installed in keys. :/ which is confusing the hell out of me.
18:31.01MeanEYESomeone managed to do tha.t
18:31.08stonedI can't. Maybe someone else. I have never usd UEFI. I'm still on BIOS (8 year old computer)
18:31.09teraflopsheh
18:31.21stoned:D
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18:31.29stonedis now like enouf
18:31.35stonedusing way too old hardware haha
18:31.43stonedok bye
18:31.53teraflopsMeanEYE: but you tried in 2 different machines ...
18:32.01MeanEYEteraflops, yes.
18:32.13teraflopsthat has to mean something
18:32.20MeanEYEProbably USB ...
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18:32.53MeanEYEAm making backup copy of other USB and gonna try with tha.t
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18:43.56glickhi
18:44.22glickhey is anyone else having issues downloading the debian dvd iso torrent files from the website download side
18:44.25glickis that down or something
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18:44.48glicki cant download the iso torrent
18:44.49glickhttp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.4.0/amd64/bt-dvd/
18:44.52glickfrom that site
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18:45.32markybobglick: working here
18:45.37glickhmm what the hell
18:45.47glickmaybe its cause im on a corporate network
18:45.49glickso they prevent torrents
18:45.54markybobprobably
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18:47.37greycatDownloading a .torrent file is one thing, but then actually connecting to a torrent network?  From inside a firewalled corporate LAN?  Good luck.
18:47.49glickyeah its weird that i cant even download it
18:47.54glickwhat the hell_
18:47.59greycatI've seen weirder.
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18:55.40anticitizencorporate firewall almost certainly would block torrent traffic by default. mine does. that's what my VPN is for...
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18:56.15MeanEYEI still can't boot into Linux on this Yoga laptop. :/ I can't be doing everything wrong.
18:56.20MeanEYEIf someone has ideas am open to listen.
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18:56.55greycatIf your Firmware/BIOS won't boot USB, try burning an actual CD.
18:57.12MeanEYENo CD on this machine.
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18:57.51greycatThen you'll have to figure out how to tell the Firmware to boot USB.  Usually by pressing some function key or Esc during boot.
18:58.24MeanEYEOh, I get to boot menu, select USB, and then it decides to ignore my USB, unless I put legacy mode.
18:58.42greycatYou're not trying to boot a Debian Live image, I hope...?
18:59.00MeanEYEWell, let me list.
18:59.08anticitizenhow did you create the USB image?
18:59.09MeanEYETried this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.4.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-8.4.0-i386-netinst.iso
18:59.21anticitizenunetbootin, mkUSB, etc?
18:59.21MeanEYETried firmware testing, regular testing, 32bit and 64bit of all of them.
18:59.24anticitizendd?
18:59.25MeanEYETried cp and dd.
18:59.35greycatWith what arguments?
18:59.51MeanEYEWhich one? dd if=.. of=.. bs=4M
18:59.58anticitizeni've had various techniques not work with certain distros, dunno why. I've had good luck with the mkusb utility in times where unetbootin did not work
19:00.02greycatWhat is the of= argument you used?
19:00.14MeanEYEIt's /dev/sdb
19:00.23MeanEYEI copied block device, not partition.
19:00.36markybobi didnt think 32 bit support uefi
19:00.46MeanEYETried 64:/
19:00.48MeanEYEDidn't help.
19:00.54jmcnaughtMeanEYE: what exactly does it say when it doesn't boot? does it look like it's trying to boot from USB but fails, or is it simply ignored?
19:01.01greycatThe fact that he has a "legacy mode" at all means he has UEFI firmware, not BIOS.
19:01.08greycatBeyond that, I can't say.
19:01.16MeanEYEjmcnaught, after pressing enter, screen goes black, and windows boot starts.
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19:01.46greycatCould it be a secure boot thing?  I know nothing about that.
19:01.50jmcnaughtMeanEYE: has anything ever booted from USB on this computer?
19:01.52MeanEYETurned off.
19:02.16MeanEYEjmcnaught, I can see debian and ubuntu in boot menu, which means someone managed to install them somehow. How, that's a different story.
19:02.46jmcnaughtMeanEYE: you mean, sometime in the foggy past, or earlier today?
19:03.07MeanEYEfew days ago, one of the employees thought he was smart and reinstall machine.
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19:04.15jmcnaughtMeanEYE: during boot do you get a boot device selection menu that displays the USB?
19:04.23MeanEYEjmcnaught, yes.
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19:05.19MeanEYEAm assuming netinst images for latest stable should be able to boot on UEFI?
19:05.27greycatYes, they do.
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19:05.43MeanEYEJust making sure and eliminating every stupid thing.
19:05.57MeanEYEShould I try to reset PKs ?
19:06.04MeanEYEAlthough I doubt that would cause system not to boot.
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19:07.34MeanEYEIt's weird, I feel like I've never installed an OS with this laptop. Blindly stabbing around.
19:07.50greycatWhat's the exact hardware model?
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19:08.31MeanEYELenovo Yoga 3 14 - Model name 80JH
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19:10.17MeanEYEWow, goot boot.
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19:10.22MeanEYEThis is stupid.
19:10.32MeanEYEBoot order has to be in a specific way. o_0
19:10.51MeanEYESo Windows Boot Manager has to be first in boot order.
19:10.56MeanEYEEven though I don't use it.
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19:12.16anticitizenCongrats
19:12.19MeanEYEOkay, progress. gonna try this.
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19:12.24MeanEYEThanks folks. More than helpful!
19:12.36MeanEYEIf for no other reason than keeping my sanity.
19:13.39tharkuncluelessperson: check if mailcap has a db connected to it.
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19:16.57teraflopsMeanEYE: \o/
19:17.23MeanEYEToo early to celebrate I am afraid. Stable 64bit was able to show menu, netinst no.
19:17.27MeanEYETrying with 64bit netinst.
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19:17.48MeanEYEPerhaps it was the BIOS restore to defaults which trigered the behavior
19:18.19MeanEYENope, just has to be 64bit.
19:18.22MeanEYEWeird, but I'll live with it.
19:18.32markybobi did say that :P
19:18.57markybobbut what you said was halfway nonsensical
19:18.58MeanEYEFunny thing is. I tried with 64.
19:19.12MeanEYEBut any boot order didn't work.
19:19.16MeanEYEUnless Windows one was first.
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19:19.25MeanEYEIf you did say that I regret for not seeing it.
19:19.30MeanEYEAnd kudos to you.
19:19.35tharkunmarkybob: FTR xfce installs lightdm nowadays so installing light-lock pulls no extra dependencies :)
19:19.55markybobtharkun: oh you again. so it worked out?
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19:20.20tharkunmarkybob: Yes me beeing a plague again. Yes it did work out.
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19:20.30markybobtharkun: good to hear
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19:20.45MeanEYEAre there any real benefits to UEFI. I have my own laptop which is running on legacy just fine.
19:20.52MeanEYEPerhaps I should switch if there are.
19:21.08tharkunReplacement is on a "bug to have it done." Policy
19:21.49tharkunMeanEYE: Is it broken?
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19:21.58MeanEYEMy laptop, no.
19:22.06MeanEYEThinkpad X1 Carbon. Works like charm.
19:22.09MeanEYENever had issues with it
19:22.13tharkunThen don't fix it. No need for it.
19:22.35MeanEYEOkay. Didn't even think so, but I better ask. All this suffering has to be for some benefit.
19:22.38MeanEYEApparently not.
19:23.32freeone3000To most people it's not suffering. It's a heck of a lot easier to write a EFI program than it is to write a traditional bootloader, and since grub installs to either equally well and with nearly the same command, it's no skin off anyone else's nose either. Until, of course, some HW manufacturer comes along and messes it up.
19:23.58MeanEYEfreeone3000, I guess I just pulled the shortest straw then.
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19:24.23MeanEYEfreeone3000, when I was inspecting UEFI executables they have the same magic bytes as DOS/Win32...
19:24.29greycathttp://www.hardwaresecrets.com/uefi-just-how-important-it-really-is/3/
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19:25.11MeanEYEIs it just plain old EXE with new extension, or they actually changed the compiler?
19:26.08teraflopshttps://www.happyassassin.net/2014/01/25/uefi-boot-how-does-that-actually-work-then/
19:26.45teraflopsThat link is gold
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19:28.12MeanEYEAt first I missed the satire by glancing over points :D then read it when you pointed it's value.
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19:29.35freeone3000Not really satire, that's a good description on how a user should care about UEFI. UEFI is an actual way of running things in a pre-execution boot environment, BIOS is a huge mess that happens to work so we don't touch it, the latter just happens to be simpler than the former.
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19:31.54MeanEYEfreeone3000, well, it should be more easy and pleasant to use but it's often not and from what I've seen in past few days many still resemble old BIOS, just different naming.
19:31.58garry_7220build on debian-jessie-xfce, russian, cyrillic (but...dpkg-reconfigure locales) compiz08, cairo-dock, i386-pae, no UEFI, magnet:?xt=urn:btih:qy7eapre3h26ob465vcro3i4vjxzji5h&dn=debian-jessie-xfce-Crolicoff8&xl=4502011904&fc=2
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19:32.07MeanEYEGenerally speaking, I don't really care how pretty it is. I almost never go there.
19:32.34freeone3000MeanEYE: Depends on your manufacturer. ASRock and ASUS motherboards have a really nice implementation. As does anyone with the chip by American Megatrends.
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19:32.54MeanEYEfreeone3000, I have MB by ASUS. Indeed looks nice.
19:32.56freeone3000MeanEYE: But essentially: Yes, it's better, in ways that you don't care about and actually are slightly worse for you maybe.
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19:33.26MeanEYEToo bad MB took me almost a year to debug as it crashed my graphics card randomly.
19:33.30MeanEYEBut that was another story.
19:34.38MeanEYEAll in alll, this is installing and I think it will work after all.
19:34.41MeanEYESo thanks everyone!
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19:55.15neglesaksquestion: is the current unetbootin incompabitle with Debian 8 installas?
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19:55.44greycat!unetbootin
19:55.44dpkgUNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions.  http://unetbootin.sf.net/  Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems.  Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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19:57.32tharkunneglesaks: cp *iso /dev/sd* Wherever your usb stick is. That works like a charm.
19:57.49greycatassuming an existing Linux installation
19:58.05tharkunoh, yes, I skipped that little detail.
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20:00.59neglesaksthnaks tharkun, ill give it a shot. use if the GUI version of Unitooting with the Deb 8.4 amd64 image consistently gives a "boot error" on trying to boot of the stick
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20:01.07chuugarGive rufus a try : https://rufus.akeo.ie/
20:01.26markybobno!!
20:01.29markybobdon't use rufus
20:01.30greycatI've heard rufus is not a good choice, but I can't vouch from personal experience.
20:01.52chuugarIt just work, why  don't use it ?
20:02.02markybob!rufus
20:02.02dpkgrufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems.  Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
20:02.07markybobit fucks shit up
20:02.16greycat!win32diskimager
20:02.16dpkgwin32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ .  Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images.  See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details.
20:02.19markybobon windows use win32diskimager. on linux use cp. simple
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20:02.43chuugarOkay, i've learned something
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20:02.48neglesaksapparently Rufus'''sss speed comes at a price
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20:05.32stonedRufus works fine too, just don't use ISO mode, use DD mode instead. ISO mode format it as fat32 and then unpacks the iso there and setups the boot sector. DD just copies the whole hybrid iso to the drive. the docs say to use win32diskimager so maybe go w/ that.
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20:06.46stonedIn DD mode, Rufus copies the debian iso as it is, no mangling.
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20:09.34neglesakslatest attempt at installing from a live image faile. trying as a distinct iso now
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20:09.45greycat!uefi live
20:09.45dpkgCurrently, UEFI support exists only in Debian's installation images. The accompanying live images do not have support for UEFI boot. <https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI>
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20:10.17sigdkhello, I'm trying to mound my cellphone's FS and using jmtpfs as shown here: https://wiki.debian.org/mtp   I get the following error though: Unable to open ~/.mtpz-data for reading, MTPZ disabled.    Any hints ?
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20:11.33neglesaksHm... that is a possibility, yes.
20:11.42greycatThe instructions on that wiki page look dubious to me, ESPECIALLY the bit about chmod 777 <directory>
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20:12.41greycatDid you scroll all the way down to the bottom where it shows your error message?
20:13.12neglesaksOn bootind with the stick? "SYSLINUX 6.03 EDD etc etc... newline Boot error"
20:13.25greycatsigdk: Did you scroll all the way down to the bottom where it shows your error message?
20:14.10neglesakssorry wrong chat
20:15.04sigdkgreycat, I do... but didn't find any solution
20:15.40greycatDon't Use Sudo
20:15.54greycatIt's a fuse solution, so you do it all as you, after ensuring you are a member of the fuse group.
20:16.59sigdkgreycat, I don't use sudo
20:17.16greycatThen make sure you're in the fuse group.  As I said, these instructions look dubious (not good).
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20:19.59greycatOh good lord, google-chrome just turned 50, and samba (IN STABLE) just turned 4.2
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20:21.04markybobgreycat: i'm 3
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20:21.44neglesaksgoogle, apple and mozilla products suffer from temrinal versionitis
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20:22.41phuzionIs there a relatively simple method to check a preseed.cfg file for errors? Something like "Woah, this package can't be found" or "Dude, your syntax is screwy on line 31" and whatnot?
20:22.46greycatWhich package is supposed to create the fuse group in jessie?  sshfs didn't create it, and its docs say "fuse-utils" should create it, but that does not exist.
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20:23.53iamtimI was planning on using xencenter from Windows to manage my debian xen host, but I see that xapi is no longer in debian. Is there any kind of gui console I can connect to it?
20:24.23greycatAnd 'fuse' is already installed and is the latest version, it says.
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20:25.58markybobgreycat: i assume when you install an actual module, no?
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20:26.12greycatWell, I installed sshfs and the fuse group does not exist.
20:26.28jmcnaughthttps://wiki.debian.org/SystemGroups says that starting with Jessie the fuse group is no longer needed
20:26.47markybobjesus really? i didn't know that
20:27.01greycatThen what do I do?  The README.Debian says to adduser username fuse
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20:28.07iamtimWho owns /dev/fuse ?
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20:28.21greycatOh, just... do nothing.  "sshfs blah blah blah"
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20:28.55markyboblearn something new every day :P
20:29.14greycatsigdk: are you doing this on jessie, or something older?
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20:30.00sigdkgreycat, jessie
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20:30.31greycatwell, I have no MTP devices to test with.
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20:33.24abrotmannot a single one?!
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20:33.51greycatOK, if I *do* have one, I am not aware of it, and/or I have no cables to attach it to a computer.
20:34.24greycatNot here at work, anyway.
20:34.35jmcnaughtsigdk: does your phone have a USB mass storage mode? might be easier. from what I understand the mtp libraries have trouble keeping up with newer devices
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20:36.17rattkinggets data off his phone with rsync because using mtp has been so annoying in the past
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20:40.24anticitizenrattking, have you tried out kde connect?
20:40.30anticitizendoesn't actually require kde
20:40.35anticitizenit's pretty fantastc
20:41.18anticitizenbasically syncs with your phone using wifi, allowing you to transfer files, use the phone as a remote for the pc, show phone notifications on the desktop, etc
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20:41.39rattkingno I will try it at home.. and I do run kde.. I tried it at work but it didnt work for me as my phone isnt on the same network.. but rsync wont work there either
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20:45.39sigdkjmcnaught, My previous android phone, it would pop up a window and ask me every time I would connect the usb cable if I want to use MTP or sth like that... this one doesn't... or I don't know
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20:46.03indieIs there a way I can change my terminal to send ctrl-h when backspace is pressed?
20:47.07anticitizensigdk, i believe that when you plug it in, you now pull down the notification shade and you'll see the place to change your connection
20:47.07jml2indie, yeah you can change pretty much anything in bash... that aspect is related to inputrc
20:47.13jml2indie, or something with stty
20:47.23anticitizenit will say something like USB CONNECTED AS CAMERA... TOUCH HERE TO CHANGE
20:47.38anticitizenthen you can press that and switch to MTP or wherever
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20:49.17sigdkanticitizen, well, all it says is that the device now is charging. I'll check a bit the menus though
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20:50.27kingsleyHow would you try to copy a live USB to a .iso file?
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20:50.42kingsleyI tried the "dd" command, but the resulting .iso file didn't boot.
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20:51.41jml2kingsley, i don't know if the live can be used as a usb
20:52.18warsouli dont have debian cd
20:52.18kingsleyjml2: Sorry, I don't understand you.
20:52.23warsoulwhen y try to install gcc
20:52.30warsoulis telling me to put cd
20:52.57jml2kingsley, yeah, according to the https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ site -- (old-skool has it live builds weren't official) -- should be possible
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20:53.31jml2kingsley, it could be a usb<->motherboard incompatibility for "boots" -- it's outside anything to do with linux
20:53.53jml2kingsley, you'd have to do all sorts of things to check to see why it doesn't boot
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20:55.10jml2warsoul, you can comment-out the apt-cdrom entry in sources.list, then apt-get update ...
20:55.17kingsleyjml2: Maybe. The live USB boots OK directly. I just want to copy it to a .iso file that can be booted from an emulator like "qemu".
20:56.04jml2warsoul, if you want to copy the usb, you'd use "losetup" with a specified length..
20:56.12jml2kingsley, ^ i meant
20:56.20warsouljml2 how can i do that
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20:56.22jml2kingsley, then dd that /dev/loop0 image
20:56.26warsoulhow can i install gcc without the cd
20:56.30jml2warsoul, (sorry that was meant for kingsley )
20:56.39jml2warsoul, uhh
20:56.46jml2warsoul, you don't know what sources.list is?
20:56.54warsouljml2 no
20:56.59warsoulim new in debian
20:56.59jml2!sources
20:56.59dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
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20:58.47jmcnaughtkingsley: is this that windows USB again? please provide relevant details when you come back to ask the same question the next day :)
20:59.34jml2kingsley, it's just easier to "download" a debian-live iso.  If you don't know the "length" to copy from the usb device, you'll end up copying the whole usb drive
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21:00.22jml2kingsley, ...
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21:00.50jml2kingsley, the "iso" files (CD#1, DVD#1 and the Debian Live iso), are "usb-bootable" using "dd"  --- you don't use "unetbootin"
21:00.55kingsleyjmcnaught: If I understand you correctly, yes, I'm still asking about copying a live Windows 10 USB to a bootable .iso file.
21:01.08jml2kingsley, fwiw, I don't even think you can "boot usb" in qemu/kvm
21:01.25jml2kingsley, instead you use a "cd drive" virtual device with your emultor.. not "usb"
21:01.41jmcnaughtkingsley: and i told you yesterday that windows live images don't work the same way as Debian ones. Also there is no need to ask the same question on freenode and OFTC at the same time, many of the same people on both networks.
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21:02.12CutMeOwnThroata "live windows 10"?
21:02.23CutMeOwnThroathow the heck should we know how those usb sticks are made
21:02.38kingsleyjml2: For what it's worth, the live USB that I want to copy to an .iso file is Windows 10.
21:03.13jml2kingsley, gee whiz you can download Windows 10 for free.
21:03.27jml2kingsley, you have to go to #microsoft for additional tips :)
21:03.47jml2but it's not "real free"
21:03.52jml2as in "freedom" ;-)
21:03.53CutMeOwnThroatforget about it. iso format and disk/usb format are not the same at all
21:04.07kingsleyjml2: I was wondering if qemu/kvm could boot from USB. I tested it. At least for me, qemu boots SystemRescueCD from a USB flash drive, but not Windows 10.
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21:04.14jml2kingsley, #microsoft
21:04.16jml2kingsley, :)
21:04.48CutMeOwnThroatyou'd need to "burn" a data CD into an image with e.g. k3b ... and then it would be very lucky if it boots ...
21:05.02zinxkingsley: a lot of Linux isos are actually a hybrid of two filesystems - the CD filesystem (ISO9660 + RockRidge) and generally FAT32
21:05.11zinxkingsley: Microsoft's isos are not.
21:05.31jml2you guys should shutup and let him go to #microsoft
21:05.32jml2:)
21:06.05CutMeOwnThroatjml2, do you maybe mean ##windows?
21:06.06kingsleyCutMeOwnThroat: I wonder if k3b could create a bootable .iso from a live USB flash drive....
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21:10.54maladementalHello, I have a problem on debian jessie, with a newer kernel that I compiled (4.4.6)
21:11.05maladementalthe problem is about my sdcard reader
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21:11.47maladementallspci result : http://paste.debian.net/432799/
21:13.07maladementaldmesg | grep sdhci : http://paste.debian.net/432800/ ; dmesg | grep mmc : http://paste.debian.net/432801/
21:13.16CutMeOwnThroatwhy didn't you take the kernel from jessie-backports
21:13.25kingsleymalademental: What's the problem with the sdcard reader?
21:13.57maladementalthe sdcard aren't read... On other versions of the OS I had no problem
21:14.15transhuman__hi! how do i get libvirt to show all options in virt-manager for guest video drivers such as vmware driver platform is debian jessie someone the other day had indicated a package that would fix it..still have same issue
21:14.37jmcnaughtmalademental: what happens if you use the jessie kernel?
21:14.41CutMeOwnThroatjudd, pciid 197b:2382
21:14.42judd[197b:2382] is 'SD/MMC Host Controller' from 'JMicron Technology Corp.' with kernel modules 'ahci', 'pata_jmicron', 'sdhci-pci' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=197b:2382
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21:15.02maladementalCutMeOwnThroat: Because I wanted to compile my own with less modules included. With jessie kernel I have the same problem... jmcnaught
21:15.03catbeardnice!
21:15.16catbeardforgot about hcl
21:15.32catbearddidn't know they had that page
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21:15.55maladementalCutMeOwnThroat: thanks
21:16.09maladementalI'm gonna check with the other kernel and loading pata_jmicron
21:16.16CutMeOwnThroatjudd, pciid 197b:2381
21:16.17judd[197b:2381] is 'Standard SD Host Controller' from 'JMicron Technology Corp.' with kernel modules 'ahci', 'pata_jmicron', 'sdhci-pci' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=197b:2381
21:16.24|DM|Hello, I have an intel processor with integrated graphics and an amd graphics card. I am on debian8, and I dont have a hardware or bios graphics switch. Is there ANY way for me to use the amd graphics card
21:16.25CutMeOwnThroatshould be supported
21:16.34maladementalsee you soon
21:16.37|DM|Every time I ahve tried I have competely fucked my graphic display.
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21:17.16|DM|I am ok with an option that ends up with everything running through the amd card, as power is not an issue for me at all.
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21:18.32teraflopssigdk: is just a warning, I can see my phone's folders there
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21:19.51teraflopssigdk: also, do you have option in the storage menu on the phone as mtp ptp usb storage ?
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21:22.44malade_mentalthanks a lot CutMeOwnThroat I loaded 3.16 and I just forgot pata_jmicron in my kernel compilation
21:22.48malade_mentalyou rock :]
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21:26.54malade_mentalno but how do we do this on the console?
21:27.05malade_mentalcheck needed modules for some device by the identifier
21:27.29sigdkteraflops, no, I don't see it. Anyway, I found a workaround for the files I wanted to transfer
21:27.42sigdkthanks
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22:03.58buddybenjHow do I stop Debian from telling me that COMRESET failed during boot?
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22:04.45buddybenjAlso, when I try to mount my ntfs drive with permissions, is tells me "ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint /media/buddybenj/Hard Disk Drive: No such file or directory"
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22:05.20buddybenjIt was my understanding that Debian is capable of mounting NTFS drives with permission
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22:06.00LtLbuddybenj: it is
22:06.15buddybenjSo why is it giving me that error?
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22:07.06rattkingbuddybenj put " " about that path I bet the spaces are giving it trouble
22:07.26buddybenjI have quotes
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22:08.15jml2buddybenj, ""
22:08.24jml2buddybenj, i can type quotes
22:08.27jml2buddybenj, "type"
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22:08.38jml2buddybenj, or
22:08.49jml2buddybenj, no type... that is the anti-quote of the day.
22:08.53jml2I say.
22:08.57jml2XD
22:09.31buddybenjjml2: Funniest joke of all time
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22:09.52CutMeOwnThroatbuddybenj, better yet, try a mountpoint without spaces...
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22:10.13buddybenjBut Hard Disk Drive is the drives name.
22:10.20CutMeOwnThroatthe error actually suggests spaces were correct from the mounting
22:10.37buddybenjI don't have a drive without a space in the name
22:10.43CutMeOwnThroatbut they're still likely the reason something went wrong
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22:11.48buddybenjAlso, does anyone know how to make Debian stop telling me that COMRESET failed during boot.
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22:13.34buddybenjIs there anyway to fix write faults on Debian?
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22:14.10jml2nope
22:14.28jml2check the cable, change kernels?, or update the bios
22:14.44jml2^ try those.. other than that it's outside the control of the software thing
22:14.47jml2zing
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22:14.53buddybenjI swapped the cable and my BIOS is up to date.
22:15.09buddybenjWhat do you mean change kernels?
22:15.17jml2maybe try another kernel..
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22:16.06buddybenjWell, the only other kernel I have is Windows, and that can't read ext4 partitions.
22:16.27jml2buddybenj, maybe lower the speed of something "bus" in the bios..
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22:16.53jml2buddybenj, you overclocking? (using xmp1600 mgz for ram?)
22:16.57buddybenjBut, I shouldn't have to lower the speed to make it work.
22:17.05buddybenjI am not overclocking.
22:17.25buddybenjSo, since there is now way to fix it, I assume it is a known bug?
22:17.30buddybenjno way*
22:17.31jml2buddybenj, shouldn't, but something may not be in sync.. you could try to augment 5 seconds to 10, in the hard-drive pre-delay
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22:18.05buddybenjAll right, I'll try that next time I reboot
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22:18.08jml2buddybenj, "sometimes" this can help..  though these problems usually means something is flimsy on the motherboard
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22:18.30buddybenjBut my SSD works perfectly, so I don't think it's the motherboard.
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22:18.33jml2buddybenj, here I had a similar problem... and just got sick of it, had to ditch the motherboard completely
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22:19.10jml2buddybenj, whatever equivalent... maybe turn off "fast boot"
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22:19.16buddybenjHas anyone figured out how to fix the problem with my hard drive not mounting?
22:19.26jml2buddybenj, and turn off "windows-like" driver features that are not normally supported in linux
22:19.36jml2buddybenj, or maybe keep that one instead, as you are using a windows boot
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22:19.58jml2buddybenj, thought you are focusing here about "booting", what's this got to do with mounting?
22:20.18buddybenjI shouldn't have to turn off fast boot to make my computer work since it worked before with fast boot on.
22:20.34jml2buddybenj, well here I've done all this over the last 10+ years..
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22:20.48jml2buddybenj, I know what has worked for me in the past.. This is trial-and-error..
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22:20.54jml2buddybenj, sry buddy
22:20.56jml2lol
22:21.05jml2digresses from further hardware issues outside debian
22:21.12buddybenjWhen I mount an NTFS partition, it tells me "ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint /media/buddybenj/Hard Disk Drive: No such file or directory" It is a separate issue
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22:21.23jml2it's kinda non-debian related issue to say the least -- just going by what i know
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22:22.04buddybenjThe mounting issue or the write fault issue?
22:24.04buddybenjall right i'll see what
22:24.09buddybenjI can do in the BIOS
22:24.11buddybenjbrb
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22:30.57buddybenjjml2: I didn't see any of the options you mentioned. And fast boot is already disabled. So, should I contact my manufacturer for a replacement?
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22:32.06jml2buddybenj, you could try running any of their diagnostics tools on the Windows platform and run hardware tests i suppose..
22:32.15jml2buddybenj, it';s possible something hardware is going bad
22:32.41buddybenjAll right I'll contact support.
22:33.01jml2buddybenj, easier if you download any diagnostic tools from your laptop manufacturer page and run tests
22:33.14buddybenjAlso, do you know how to fix the mounting issue I was having?
22:33.20jml2buddybenj, if there's drive or memory failures, then that shoudl be covered by warranty
22:33.41buddybenjI have already tried the diagnostics tools.
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22:35.18buddybenjDoes anyone know how to fix the error: "ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint /media/buddybenj/Hard Disk Drive: No such file or directory" when mounting an NTFS partition with permissions?
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22:37.53nickchoicehi, i am trying to connect to another debian machine using ssh. it only allows keyfile, and i have the pub key which is needed. but it gives me this when i try to connect: Permission denied (publickey).
22:38.15jml2nickchoice, cuse ya didnt specify a key
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22:38.24jml2nickchoice, you use th eprivate key with the ssh command
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22:38.57nickchoiceso not the public but the private?
22:39.03buddybenjHow do I make Debian stop telling me that COMRESET failed?
22:39.19jml2nickchoice, you keep both on your workstation, but the ssh command at session time needs to have the private key specified
22:39.40jml2nickchoice, and of course only the "public key" needs to be already stored on the server side
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22:40.43nickchoicei am on another computer (my desktop) and i have the keys (and a successful connection) on my laptop
22:40.54nickchoicejml2^
22:41.00buddybenjDoes anyone know how to fix the error: "ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint /media/buddybenj/Hard Disk Drive: No such file or directory" when mounting an NTFS partition with permissions?
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22:41.24nickchoiceso i have to send the pub key to the server! ok
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22:42.46jml2nickchoice, y.. you can use ssh-copid
22:43.02nickchoicewill it accept?
22:43.03jml2nickchoice,  you can use ssh-copy-id .. and that'll add the pub key to the server's side of ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2
22:43.04nickchoiceok will try
22:43.13nickchoicenice
22:43.19awal1How to check which xul-ext is making my Iceweasel run so slow and eating too much cpu without having to disable the extensions one by one and restart icewesel each time?
22:43.22jml2nickchoice, but the server needs to allow "password authentcation" in order to use ssh-copy-id
22:43.44nickchoiceok thank you m8
22:44.10awal1I mean check that in "live", if I can say taht
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22:44.24nickchoicei have physical access to it, so i think i will just copy it, it seams easier
22:44.29nickchoiceand safer :)
22:44.44awal1Any monitoring tool wable to do similar stuff?
22:44.52awal1able ^
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22:45.22awal1a tool which can monitor X pid and the sub-process's
22:45.23nickchoicesuch as ?
22:46.15buddybenjDoes anyone know how to fix the error: "ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint /media/buddybenj/Hard Disk Drive: No such file or directory" when mounting an NTFS partition with permissions?
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22:48.25nickchoicejml2: i just did the ssh-copy-id anyway, and it did not work: Permission denied (publickey). (is still a problem, i think i will try alternativly copying the keys)
22:49.11jml2nickchoice, well if your admin gave you a priv/pub key pair then you have to use that exaclty.. --- you need to have a copy of the pubkey in your ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 on the server side
22:49.29jml2nickchoice, otherwise it's not possible to copy it--- ssh-copy-id requires password authentication
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22:50.25buddybenjHow do I make Debian stop telling me that COMRESET failed when I'm booting?
22:50.27nickchoicethe pub key is located on the server now
22:50.33jml2nickchoice, (presumably using a login password, so password authentication should be enabled, -- manpage ssh-copy-id)
22:50.42nickchoicei logged in with password after changing it to yes and back to no again
22:51.05nickchoicestill getting Permission denied (publickey). lol
22:51.06buddybenjDoes anyone know how to fix the error: "ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint /media/buddybenj/Hard Disk Drive: No such file or directory" when mounting an NTFS partition with permissions?
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22:51.56nickchoicedamn, jml2 the pubkey needs to be different from the one on the other machine that also has access to it right?
22:52.26buddybenjHow do I make Debian stop telling me that COMRESET failed when I'm booting?
22:53.05Ormmbuddybenj do some googling instead of just repeating your questions every 2second
22:53.05jml2buddybenj, you can try to disable ncq with the grub setting ( http://askubuntu.com/questions/62295/how-to-fix-a-comreset-failed-error )
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22:53.35crayonhow would i ssh using an ascii armored gpg key?
22:54.12jml2buddybenj, a long shot, dunno if this still applies to now kernels -- add 'libata.force=noncq' to the end of the grub default kernel boot line (/etc/default/grub), and update-grub<enter>, then reboot
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22:54.34buddybenjjml2: Thanks, I'll try
22:54.49jml2buddybenj, (can also google  -> '  "libata.force=noncq" debian kernel  ' )
22:55.03jml2buddybenj, (can give some extra search results)
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22:55.44buddybenjIs there anyway to open gedit as sudo so I can edit the file.
22:55.51buddybenjAlso, without using terminal
22:56.02phy1729sudo -e file
22:56.15jml2buddybenj, you can also use gksudo for graphical apps :)
22:56.37buddybenjI don't have gksudo.
22:56.44jml2buddybenj, so install it :)
22:57.00jml2buddybenj, (package gksu)
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22:57.36jml2says mcedit or le are easy cli-candidates for the command-line
22:57.48buddybenjI still can't open it as root.
22:58.18jml2buddybenj, the first user is by default the admin
22:58.29buddybenjBut it says read only
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22:58.55jml2buddybenj, dunno, maybe you can force it to "write"
22:59.04buddybenjIt wonn't let me
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22:59.18jml2buddybenj, so then try logging in as root (maybe -> sudo su -l)
22:59.32buddybenjBut I want to do it without using terminal.
22:59.39jml2buddybenj, then manually use sudo... but if you're stuck with vi, i'd suggest mcedit
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23:00.09buddybenjBut the problem is that it is still readonly because it isn't running as root
23:00.56CutMeOwnThroatjust use nano as editor
23:01.37buddybenjThe editor isn't the issue, it's that fact that none of them have permission to edit the file.
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23:01.51buddybenjWhy is editing a file so hard?
23:02.04buddybenjThis is nonsense.
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23:02.50CutMeOwnThroatbecause you want to do it Your Way™
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23:03.03CutMeOwnThroatI can edit hundreds of files a day and it's not hard at all
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23:03.19buddybenjI just want to edit the file, the Save button is grayed out though.
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23:03.23nickchoicejml2: i now have made new keys, and did what you said, but still get the error
23:03.26jml2nano, pico, mcedit, zed, joe, le, i think are pretty easy to use
23:03.41buddybenjBut the save button is grayed out on all of them.
23:03.49jml2nickchoice, you're an idiot.. i never said you had to make new keys :)
23:03.57jml2nickchoice, you just needed to copy the pubkey to the other side
23:04.00nickchoiceok, lol
23:04.09nickchoicei did
23:04.37CutMeOwnThroatjml2, pico isn't gpl, so it's not in debian (anyway, that's why nano exists)
23:04.46buddybenjDoes anyone know how to fix the error: "ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint /media/buddybenj/Hard Disk Drive: No such file or directory" when mounting an NTFS partition with permissions?
23:04.50nickchoicei did after erasing the old key from the file
23:05.17buddybenjCutMeOwnThroat: Nano isn't working for me either.
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23:06.44buddybenjHow do I make it not read-only? I don't need Debian to protect me from shooting my own foot. I should be allowed to modify the file.
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23:08.23buddybenjHow do I make Debian stop telling me that COMRESET failed when I'm booting?
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23:09.01jml2buddybenj, maybe you should grow up
23:09.09jml2buddybenj, and learn how to use a text-editor
23:09.28qmrshots fired
23:09.43jml2CutMeOwnThroat, pico is here on debian
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23:09.50jml2CutMeOwnThroat, at least when debian first sets up
23:10.12buddybenjjml2: Is this not the best Debian channel for support? If not where is the best channel for support?
23:10.13jml2i suppose that is aliased
23:10.39jml2yeah it symlinks to nano
23:10.45CutMeOwnThroatjml2, try ls -Ll /usr/bin/pico /usr/bin/nano
23:10.52jml2(/etc/alternatives/pico -> symlinks)
23:10.58CutMeOwnThroat(also without the L )
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23:12.05jml2buddybenj, --> "sudo su -l" << i told you how to become root.  If you can't become root this way, then you need to boot with a Gparted Live iso or use the Debian Installer CD/DVD to do "chroot"
23:12.13CutMeOwnThroatbuddybenj, run nano as root... either with su (run it from the shell you get) or if you have sudo instead with sudo nano filename
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23:13.00CutMeOwnThroatjml2, right... because nano is the gpl-rewrite of pico
23:13.05buddybenjI already tried that, but it still tells me that I can't save my changes.
23:13.22CutMeOwnThroatbuddybenj, what file is that
23:13.24awal1How to limite network bandwidth use for youtube-dl?
23:13.46sweetteaqos?
23:13.57buddybenjetc/default/grub
23:14.06CutMeOwnThroatawal1, man youtube-dl, search for limit with /limit
23:14.33jml2buddybenj, mount |grep ro
23:14.59awal1CutMeOwnThroat, I was doing search inside man using bandwith word, I'll try with limit and see
23:15.04CutMeOwnThroatbuddybenj, you're missing a / there?
23:15.22buddybenjtyping the slash doesn't work in IRC
23:15.25CutMeOwnThroat/
23:15.32CutMeOwnThroatbut ok
23:15.37buddybenjtry typing /etc
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23:15.42CutMeOwnThroat/etc
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23:16.08CutMeOwnThroat(you can escape it by writing //etc)
23:16.13buddybenj/etc
23:16.16buddybenjah ok
23:16.18buddybenjthanks
23:16.32awal1CutMeOwnThroat, ok, thanks. search 'limit' gave me the result (-r, --rate-limit option)
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23:17.00CutMeOwnThroatetc/default/ wouldn't have existed... so that would have been an easy explanation
23:17.22buddybenjwouldn't have existed if what?
23:17.46CutMeOwnThroatyou cannot write to the file /asdf/dfdkj/xxx either
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23:18.04buddybenjIt does exist
23:18.10CutMeOwnThroatwhen there is no /asdf/dfdkj
23:18.28CutMeOwnThroatyes, but that's why I asked
23:18.35buddybenjbut there is /etc/default/
23:19.08CutMeOwnThroatare you using su or sudo for it
23:19.14buddybenjsudo
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23:19.51nickchoiceHi jml2, a restart on the local machine did the work, thanks for the help and excuse me for upsetting you. goodnight
23:20.07CutMeOwnThroatand "sudo id" shows uid=0(root)
23:20.25CutMeOwnThroatand what about the "mount | grep ro" from above
23:20.28buddybenjcorrect
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23:20.57jml2nickdastain, good! glad I can help :)
23:21.01buddybenjThat prints out a ton of stuff
23:21.09CutMeOwnThroatyeah
23:21.19jml2i was checking to see if "/" was mounted read-only
23:21.23buddybenje.g. proc on /proc type proc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
23:21.49jml2nickchoice, I meant (and good luck to you sir!)
23:21.54CutMeOwnThroattry mount | grep ro,
23:22.10buddybenjI did
23:22.21CutMeOwnThroatwith the comma
23:22.59CutMeOwnThroatops, must sleep.
23:23.00buddybenj/dev/sdb5 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)
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23:23.15CutMeOwnThroatthat should be ok
23:23.30buddybenjHoe is this supposed to help me edit the file?
23:23.41buddybenjhow*
23:24.00CutMeOwnThroatfind the reason you cannot write, then fix whatever was the problem?
23:24.21buddybenjOh ok
23:24.44CutMeOwnThroatbut so far there was no obvious problem
23:24.53CutMeOwnThroatgood luck, I need sleep
23:25.00buddybenjAll right, thanks anyway
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23:41.47guampais it possible for auto+dhcp devices in /etc/network/interfaces to wait in the brackground to be up instead of blocking the boot process?
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23:44.36toruvinnguampa, im just guessing here that it's made like this because you may (and probably do) need working networking for whatever happens later in the boot process
23:45.28toruvinnguampa, for "secondary" interfaces you can probably just remove them from "auto" in network/interfaces and ifup ... & them, dunno, from rc.local? kinda ugly, but should work. someone here may come up with a better idea
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23:46.20guampamost probably, but I'm looking for some override. for now I disabled auto for the interface, and just bring it up and send it to background in rc.local, and then fire up what I need for the interface to get its address (a container with DHCP service)
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23:47.03guampaI could move this to a custom init script, but before I go there I wanted to find out if there's an alternative
23:47.46guampawas there some "concurrent" boot?
23:48.11toruvinnguampa, i remember that some dhcp clients used to fork if they didn't get a lease on the first try. you could, perhaps, use such client in net/interfaces? (for dhcp intfs you can specify "client XXX")
23:49.41guampatoruvinn: I will look into that, it might be useful
23:49.50toruvinnguampa, well, just wait for someone who has a better idea to wake up here. ;-)
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23:49.57guampaheh
23:50.00guampathanks
23:50.21toruvinni've ran out of mine. you could probably modify the scripts too, but gotta be careful with that one.
23:50.24toruvinngood luck!
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