| 00:00.38 | PenGui | karlpinc: any ideas? |
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| 00:03.49 | OneM_Industries | Hey, I having a bit of an issue setting up MySQL on a debian server. When I run the command mysql_secure_installation, it prompts for the root password, but I have typed it in and it did not work. I also tried the MySQL password and the no password option, with no luck. And ideas? |
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| 00:07.04 | quantic | OneM_Industries: The MySQL root password is defined when the mysql-server package is initially installed. Is that the password you're trying? |
| 00:07.33 | OneM_Industries | I have tried that one, as well as the root password for the box. |
| 00:08.13 | OneM_Industries | I may have fat-fingered it, let me see.. |
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| 00:09.52 | OneM_Industries | Well, typed it out in a document and pasted from there, and it worked that time, so it looks like the root issue is a lack of caffeine... |
| 00:10.35 | OneM_Industries | Sorry about that. |
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| 00:52.28 | Sky2939 | hey guys.. so I recently setup an email server (squirrel mail) on a debian 8 vps. While the server works great, the only issue is.. every major mail provider immediately puts messages into spam/junk. Is this normal? |
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| 00:53.50 | axc1298 | is switching to ffmpeg from libav as simple as purging libav-tools and installing the ffmpeg package? |
| 00:54.14 | zykotick9 | Sky2939: <from my understanding> Welcome to email servers! best of luck. |
| 00:54.17 | dvs | Sky2939: I'm getting you need some sort of DNS entry |
| 00:54.31 | dvs | s/getting/guessing/ |
| 00:54.54 | themill | axc1298: there is no release where ffmpeg and libav sources are both present |
| 00:55.02 | quantic | Sky2939: Need more info. Who is the VPS provider? |
| 00:55.05 | themill | axc1298: what release of debian are you using? |
| 00:55.21 | Sky2939 | Sky2939: ChicagoVPS |
| 00:55.23 | axc1298 | themill: 8 |
| 00:55.38 | axc1298 | i did apt-cache search and i see ffmpeg and libav-tools both |
| 00:55.45 | quantic | Sky2939: You might check your IP address against blocklists. |
| 00:55.52 | Sky2939 | ugh |
| 00:55.54 | Sky2939 | :3 |
| 00:55.57 | themill | axc1298: ffmpeg is not in jessie. It's in jessie-backports though |
| 00:55.59 | quantic | Sky2939: http://mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx |
| 00:56.15 | axc1298 | themill: oh, i do have the backports repo, so that must be why i see it |
| 00:56.17 | zykotick9 | axc1298: the ffmpeg you see is probably just a virtual package! it installs libav really. |
| 00:56.34 | axc1298 | zykotick9: or maybe that's it |
| 00:56.46 | Sky2939 | quantic: everything seems fine.. |
| 00:56.46 | themill | no, ffmepg isn't in jessie at all (it was a transitional package in wheezy) |
| 00:56.52 | quantic | Sky2939: You could also send someone an email and have them analyze the headers to see WHY it's getting landed in spam. |
| 00:56.57 | Sky2939 | dvs: Why would i need additional vps entries? |
| 00:57.18 | axc1298 | themill: ffmpeg will be default in the next release, right? |
| 00:57.21 | themill | axc1298: so you should be able to just "aptitude install -t jessie-backports ffmpeg" it will want to add and remove various libraries for that |
| 00:57.25 | Sky2939 | quantic: I'll just send an email to my gmail account |
| 00:57.26 | zykotick9 | themill: you're correct. axc1298 |
| 00:57.52 | quantic | Sky2939: And dvs said DNS, not VPS. |
| 00:57.58 | axc1298 | i could just stick with libav until debian 9 but if ffmpeg is better for some reason i'd rather install that from backports |
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| 00:58.01 | axc1298 | any opinions on it? |
| 00:58.02 | zykotick9 | axc1298: i see mine from jessie-backports |
| 00:58.17 | Sky2939 | quantic: Yeah.. why would i need additional dns entries |
| 00:58.35 | themill | axc1298: I don't think there's an appreciable difference. There's the occasional codec that is handled better by one or other. |
| 00:58.48 | quantic | Sky2939: Your source server should have an A record that matches the reverse lookup of its IP, for one. |
| 00:59.12 | quantic | Sky2939: If you don't, you can usually expect to get routed to spam. |
| 00:59.12 | themill | axc1298: If you're starting something new then saving some reconfiguration later might make the jessie-backports option more attractive |
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| 00:59.25 | dvs | was thinking of an MX record |
| 00:59.41 | quantic | dvs: Outbound mail doesn't require an MX record. |
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| 00:59.50 | Sky2939 | ^^ |
| 00:59.53 | dvs | ok |
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| 01:00.18 | axc1298 | themill: i wasn't really planning on configuring anything. the only reason i need one of them is because youtube-dl complained and told me to install one or the other for it to work properly |
| 01:00.51 | themill | probably makes no difference for youtube-dl |
| 01:00.57 | Sky2939 | quantic: so i need a reverse ip |
| 01:01.04 | quantic | Sky2939: PTR record, but yes. |
| 01:01.17 | quantic | Sky2939: Not having an IP I can check against, I'm only guessing. |
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| 01:01.31 | Sky2939 | quantic: OH.. i know why, just found out my mail isn't being encrypted |
| 01:01.43 | quantic | Sky2939: That won't get you routed to spam. |
| 01:01.51 | Sky2939 | ah okay.. so ptr then |
| 01:02.04 | quantic | Sky2939: Again, I'm only guessing. If you want real answers, provide real data. |
| 01:02.30 | Sky2939 | quantic: fair enough.. I'll try this first. |
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| 01:12.10 | Mikaze | Have a small network problem. Just installed Jessie, chose the default name debian and for the rest of the fqdn, added rivensight.mindhackers.org (which points to my webserver. I also run an eggdrop bot which gave me the error: [02:20:01] No nameservers found. - Any idea what to run to correct the network and how it finds nameservers off a Comcast router? |
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| 01:13.58 | Mikaze | Also wanted to ask where I could find a list of things that dpkg-reconfigure can reconfigure. |
| 01:14.07 | babilen | Mikaze: You could use 8.8.8.8 in /etc/resolv.conf for starters (Google's nameserver) |
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| 01:15.12 | babilen | Something like "nameserver 8.8.8.8" in there should do .. but then: Are you sure that DNS isn't working? What does "nslookup debian.org" give you? |
| 01:15.17 | Mikaze | Oooooookay. <grins> I'll give that a try. |
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| 01:15.20 | themill | Mikaze: you can use debconf-set-selections to get a list of debconf keys for the packages you currently have installed |
| 01:15.47 | themill | err debconf-get-selections |
| 01:17.26 | Mikaze | I actually have no problems connecting from my box. It's the other way around where problems occur. Takes forever to telnet to the eggdrop bot. |
| 01:18.03 | Mikaze | I'm also running a static IP of 10.0.0.100 |
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| 01:21.03 | Mikaze | nslookup seems to work fine. Very fast. Gives me Non-authoratative answer: and a list of IPs for debian.org. |
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| 01:23.41 | Mikaze | I should have my old resolve.conf backed up with Comcast's dns addys. Think I'll just overwrite the current one, or at least check it first and see if the numbers are the same. Thanks. |
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| 01:31.29 | karlpinc | Mikaze: How long is "forever"? (IIRC 20 seconds is the default dns timeout.) |
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| 01:32.02 | Mikaze | Hmmm. resolv.conf has a couple IPv6 addresses in it. Think I should leave them in there? |
| 01:32.51 | Mikaze | Takes up to 50 seconds (it seems) sometimes. |
| 01:33.26 | Mikaze | Well...maybe 30. I ahven't actually counted. |
| 01:34.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | Does IPv6 actually work for you? |
| 01:34.45 | Mikaze | Yeah, but like I said, it's really slow connecting to me from the outside. |
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| 01:39.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | Mikaze, you could make it prefer IPv4 resolution by editing /etc/gai.conf, perhaps see how that goes? |
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| 01:40.11 | akk | Pardon the stupid question, but is there a tutorial somewhere about how to get debian-ports working? |
| 01:41.06 | akk | I need libXp and sid has dropped it |
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| 01:41.50 | akk | and when I tried to add deb http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian unstable main to sources.list, apt-get update errored saying 'http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian unstable InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'i386' |
| 01:42.44 | dvs | !frankendebian |
| 01:42.45 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 01:43.08 | akk | Well, what I'd really like is the old libXp that sid has had for a bazillion years |
| 01:43.18 | akk | but it's no longer there |
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| 01:43.23 | Mikaze | Alright. Thanks. Seems to work best with IPv4 tho. |
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| 01:44.12 | akk | I was under the impression that debian-ports was pseudo-supported on debian, but I guess not? |
| 01:44.32 | Mikaze | Prolly something dhcp is setting, which is now no longer being used since I changed /etc/network/interfaces on it. |
| 01:45.19 | karlpinc | akk: Not. |
| 01:45.29 | akk | Okay, so, no ports. |
| 01:45.35 | Mikaze | Thanks, guys. Gave me some stuff to play with. I appreciate it. |
| 01:45.39 | karlpinc | !tell akk about overview |
| 01:45.41 | akk | Any idea why libxp6 might have been dropped? Or if there's any chance it might come back? |
| 01:45.47 | Mikaze | waves... |
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| 01:46.04 | karlpinc | akk: The bug tracking system often knows. |
| 01:46.45 | akk | Usually when I google <packagename> debian, I can find some discussion or a bug, but I've been having no luck with libxp or libxp6. |
| 01:47.31 | TomTomTo1 | unstable has libxp6 |
| 01:47.36 | somiaj | akk: https://packages.qa.debian.org/libx/libxp.html |
| 01:47.43 | TomTomTo1 | jessie does too |
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| 01:47.49 | somiaj | you can see why it was removed from unstable and testing there |
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| 01:48.26 | TomTomTo1 | ah, nvm |
| 01:48.34 | HuTty | Hi |
| 01:48.34 | somiaj | the reason seems to be obslete, here is the bug report |
| 01:48.40 | somiaj | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=657253 |
| 01:48.41 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/657253 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: libxp -- ROM; Obsolete»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2012-01-25; last modified: 2015-09-10. |
| 01:48.53 | HuTty | somebody has an idea how reconstrucable an LINUX usb stick is? |
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| 01:49.09 | somiaj | HuTty: what do you mean by LINUX usb stick? what makes it linux? |
| 01:49.18 | HuTty | i mean are there remain any files |
| 01:49.34 | HuTty | lets say i have sensible stuff on the usb OS |
| 01:49.49 | HuTty | and i use it on my work computer |
| 01:50.16 | HuTty | and someone want to figure out what on the USB stick is |
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| 01:50.28 | HuTty | i heard something like some things remain in the RAM |
| 01:50.33 | HuTty | whats about that |
| 01:50.52 | somiaj | HuTty: nothing really linux specific here, seems more hardware related. Just think of the USB stick as a harddrive. Unless you go though and zero it out completly someone could try to preform data recovery on it if you only just 'deleted' files |
| 01:51.07 | petn-randall | HuTty: I don't quite understand. If someone wants to figure out what is on the stick, they just take it and plug it into their computer? |
| 01:51.16 | akk | Thanks, somiaj. Alas, I still depend on something that depends on libXp, so I guess I need to find a static copy of the source, or give up on sid, or figure out how to rewrite xephem so it doesn't need libXp. |
| 01:51.40 | somiaj | akk: or grab the source and matain/compile it yourself |
| 01:51.50 | HuTty | petn-randall lets say i damage the stick and burn it |
| 01:51.52 | akk | somiaj: That would be "find a static copy of the source". |
| 01:52.04 | somiaj | akk: snapshot.debian.org |
| 01:52.04 | HuTty | but theny want to find out on the work computer what i have do on the stick |
| 01:52.12 | petn-randall | HuTty: If the chips aren't intact, there isn't much to recover. |
| 01:52.35 | HuTty | so they cant recover files, browser acitivy etc |
| 01:52.41 | HuTty | if the stick is truecrypted |
| 01:52.45 | HuTty | and plugged out |
| 01:52.52 | petn-randall | HuTty: Yes, most operating systems will usually keep logs of when the stick was plugged in. |
| 01:53.13 | petn-randall | HuTty: Some programs keep shadow copies of files, like MS Office for example. |
| 01:53.32 | HuTty | you said first no now yes |
| 01:53.36 | HuTty | so they can recover or not |
| 01:53.48 | HuTty | lets say the stick is truecrypted and plugged out of the computer |
| 01:53.54 | HuTty | so they just have the computer not the stick |
| 01:53.58 | HuTty | where the stick was plugged in |
| 01:54.25 | petn-randall | HuTty: It's not really debian specific. Maybe you want to take this to ##linux? |
| 01:55.02 | HuTty | is there another channle here |
| 01:55.09 | HuTty | like hardware or PC or IT |
| 01:55.21 | somiaj | there is ##hardware and ##linux |
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| 01:56.11 | HuTty | i cant speak inthere |
| 01:56.14 | HuTty | it says im not voiced? |
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| 01:56.55 | somiaj | HuTty: some channels require you register your nick with freenode, check out #freenode or /msg nickserv help |
| 01:58.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | In some cases you might need to connect via SSL or do SASL authentication, I don't remember. |
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| 02:14.28 | un214 | well I ended up having to revert grub2 after merge conflicts |
| 02:15.25 | un214 | the bleeping thing is completely misdesigned |
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| 02:19.14 | un214 | Oh well there's a good chance my next CPU has to use UEFI anyway |
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| 02:20.04 | dvs | good chance? no choice. |
| 02:20.29 | un214 | my current one has UEFI running in BIOS emulation mode |
| 02:20.44 | somiaj | I think you mean motherboard (I don't think they are putting uefi on cpus) |
| 02:21.10 | un214 | I'm accustomed to buying those two as a bonded pair |
| 02:21.39 | nevyn | cpu upgrades never happen |
| 02:22.00 | un214 | oh they do, but not for me |
| 02:22.00 | nevyn | because they're almost never worthit. |
| 02:22.11 | nevyn | or me |
| 02:22.14 | nevyn | that's what I'm saying |
| 02:22.22 | un214 | I've got CPU coming out my ears right now |
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| 02:22.38 | nevyn | buy m/b and cpu and probably ram (though ram upgrades do happen) |
| 02:22.58 | un214 | they do; I didn't max out the RAM when I bought it |
| 02:23.02 | un214 | I can throw more chips in |
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| 02:29.27 | nevyn | but I usually buy a system around a target application so I have a good idea bout how much cpu vs everything else to throw in it |
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| 02:30.06 | nevyn | and a lot of the time recently that application has beens omething like mythtv where the important bit is how the storage subsystem proforms more than anything else. |
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| 02:35.50 | tpanarch1st | hello :) really in a bit of a mess :) where would php.ini be for Debian please |
| 02:35.51 | tpanarch1st | :) |
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| 02:37.30 | ksx4system | tpanarch1st, depends |
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| 02:37.43 | petn-randall | tpanarch1st: Did you try doing your own research first? |
| 02:38.09 | ksx4system | petn-randall, I doubt so |
| 02:38.34 | markybob | tpanarch1st: /etc/php5/ |
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| 02:39.07 | tpanarch1st | this was what i'd come to the conclusion of |
| 02:39.09 | tpanarch1st | :) |
| 02:39.23 | tpanarch1st | I just wanted to check before stabbing around in the dark thank you markybob :) |
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| 02:39.35 | akk | I have a jessie system that's missing its initrd.img. How do I regenerate it? |
| 02:39.40 | tpanarch1st | ksx4system: why would you say that :) |
| 02:39.48 | tpanarch1st | (I just have a complicated setup) |
| 02:39.54 | akk | I tried apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-686-pae but there's still no initrd for that kernel version in /boot. |
| 02:40.55 | nevyn | /w/win 39 |
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| 02:43.00 | petn-randall | tpanarch1st: Because the first 10 results of googling "debian php.ini" answered that question. |
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| 02:44.11 | tpanarch1st | petn-randall: i'm running ispconfig so i was concerned things might be a little different, i suspected there'd be a way to double check how many instances there are and which ones are being considered :) |
| 02:44.35 | tpanarch1st | but it does seem to just rely on debian's anyway :) |
| 02:46.36 | tpanarch1st | is the M short for mb? :) |
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| 03:01.27 | cluelessperson | Hi all. I'm working on a live boot (again) and I was wondering if anyone could suggest how to strip down the system? |
| 03:01.36 | cluelessperson | remove things that "aren't needed" |
| 03:05.04 | un214 | I've been unable to get help for live boot debian cds :( |
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| 03:07.16 | cluelessperson | I have some ideas, but I need more. :) |
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| 03:07.39 | nname31 | hello, how can unpack-edit-modify .abs firmware file? any idea? |
| 03:07.59 | rue_shop3 | anyone wanna expain why ext4fs isn't on the filesystem type list for install anymore? |
| 03:08.34 | markybob | rue_shop3: yes it is. i did an install yesterday and it was there |
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| 03:08.52 | Tronical_ | I want to know if the MSI Cubi 3805U at 1.9 GHz is going to run hotter than the 3205U at 1.5 GHz. |
| 03:08.59 | TomTomTo1 | cluelessperson, i mean, you could remove stuff like pulseaudio. i don't know what you need for your system ;D |
| 03:09.00 | Tronical_ | I mean is the former one going to stress the fan more? |
| 03:09.16 | rue_shop3 | nope, the system already had it formatted ext4 and it made me use btrfs |
| 03:09.26 | rue_shop3 | I have no idea what btrfs is |
| 03:09.50 | markybob | rue_shop3: that's basically what's replacing ext4 in the future |
| 03:10.07 | rue_shop3 | so, ... why. |
| 03:10.28 | markybob | rue_shop3: why is it replacing it or why don't you see it? |
| 03:10.40 | rue_shop3 | why is ext4 being replaced? |
| 03:10.49 | rue_shop3 | what is the incredible advantage? |
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| 03:11.06 | TomTomTo1 | rue_shop3, it's not right now. |
| 03:11.18 | rue_shop3 | hmm |
| 03:11.22 | markybob | rue_shop3: you can google this easily. https://www.maketecheasier.com/what-is-btrfs/ |
| 03:11.26 | cluelessperson | TomTomTo1, In this case, think basic hardware. All I want is to be able to SSH in, maybe use GPARTED. |
| 03:11.41 | rue_shop3 | so its a bunch of barely tested, possibly broken code I shouldn't trust? |
| 03:11.59 | cluelessperson | TomTomTo1, so if it's kosher to remove the bluetooth/mouse or similar driver modules from the kernal, I want to? |
| 03:12.01 | cluelessperson | What do you think? |
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| 03:13.06 | markybob | rue_shop3: i want to know how you burned this installer. usb? unetbootin? |
| 03:13.14 | TomTomTo1 | cluelessperson, i don't know what benefit that would give you :D |
| 03:13.26 | markybob | none |
| 03:13.39 | rue_shop3 | netboot, no cdrom I have works |
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| 03:14.41 | markybob | rue_shop3: so netinst? |
| 03:14.48 | rue_shop3 | yup |
| 03:15.02 | markybob | rue_shop3: how did you copy it to your usb or whatever you used? |
| 03:15.13 | rue_shop3 | 1 exibyte is more than enough for anyone (and so should be 640k of ram) |
| 03:15.31 | rue_shop3 | markybob, pxe netboot |
| 03:15.38 | markybob | okay. that's when i walk away |
| 03:15.41 | dooglus | I'm using a netinst image to install debian onto a new laptop. it just asked me which kernel I wanted, and listed 2, and "none". I used the same image to install a different laptop yesterday and it didn't ask the question at all |
| 03:15.43 | rue_shop3 | !? |
| 03:16.03 | dooglus | why's it different today? today it also asked whether to build a full or targeted initrd |
| 03:16.15 | dooglus | kind of confusing why it's asking me different questions. |
| 03:16.45 | rue_shop3 | markybob, whats wrong with booting the installer off the network? |
| 03:16.56 | cluelessperson | TomTomTo1, Smaller footprint and iso? |
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| 03:17.28 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 03:17.32 | cluelessperson | TomTomTo1, none of our devices have cdrom drives, bluetooth, mice attached, etc |
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| 03:18.54 | johnfg | I'm having trouble with gpg-agent not running due to a conflict with gnome-keyring. Not sure where it came from, but as I'm running lightdm not gdm, and mate, not gnome, is there any reason why I can't or shouldn't disable it? |
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| 03:27.55 | TomTomTo1 | johnfg, there is some stuff that depends on it. look at apt-cache rdepends gnome-keyring and see if you can live without those things. |
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| 03:33.03 | TomTomTo1 | johnfg, and add a --installed. forgot about that. |
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| 03:55.40 | TomTomTo1 | johnfg, i'm sorry, i was thinking about removing it completely. if you want you can disable only the gpg component. |
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| 03:57.46 | TomTomTo1 | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GNOME_Keyring#Disable_keyring_daemon_SSH_component |
| 03:57.59 | TomTomTo1 | would be the same for gnome-keyring-gpg.desktop |
| 03:58.32 | TomTomTo1 | i didn't check though, so i would advice to make a backup of that file first. |
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| 04:09.56 | GAM002 | help |
| 04:09.57 | GAM002 | broken package unable to fix |
| 04:10.00 | GAM002 | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 04:10.02 | GAM002 | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
| 04:10.04 | GAM002 | E: Unable to correct dependencies |
| 04:10.06 | GAM002 | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
| 04:10.08 | GAM002 | E: Unable to correct dependencies |
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| 04:10.22 | cra1g321 | GAM002, use paste.debian.net |
| 04:10.25 | TomTomTo1 | don't make the bots unhappy |
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| 04:10.37 | GAM002 | k |
| 04:10.42 | GAM002 | how to fix? |
| 04:10.57 | cra1g321 | past the error messages you're getting |
| 04:10.59 | cra1g321 | paste* |
| 04:12.26 | GAM002 | http://paste.debian.net/402703/ |
| 04:12.29 | GAM002 | done |
| 04:12.33 | GAM002 | now how to fix? |
| 04:13.07 | markybob | GAM002: that's not helpful. the entire thing |
| 04:13.14 | GAM002 | ? |
| 04:13.18 | GAM002 | thats just it |
| 04:13.24 | cra1g321 | also /etc/apt/sources.list too would likely help |
| 04:13.26 | markybob | GAM002: and /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:13.30 | GAM002 | when i try to fix on synaptic package manager |
| 04:13.49 | markybob | GAM002: the entire thing. starting from the command that caused that |
| 04:14.09 | markybob | cra1g321: do think i said that :P |
| 04:14.15 | GAM002 | idk which command caused it |
| 04:14.26 | cra1g321 | markybob, you're too slow this time :P |
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| 04:14.37 | markybob | cra1g321: damn cell phone tethering |
| 04:14.48 | cra1g321 | damn... fibre-optic.... |
| 04:14.50 | cra1g321 | ;) |
| 04:15.00 | markybob | cra1g321: i hate you :/ |
| 04:15.04 | GAM002 | i get the package error when i try to install libgl1-mesa-swx11 and swx11-i686:i38 |
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| 04:18.42 | TomTomTo1 | GAM002, why would you want to do that? |
| 04:18.55 | TomTomTo1 | https://wiki.debian.org/Mesa <- do this instead. |
| 04:18.59 | GAM002 | do what? |
| 04:19.18 | GAM002 | i need that to make steam work |
| 04:19.29 | GAM002 | been trying several methods from yesterday |
| 04:19.51 | GAM002 | still getting the error called libgl.so.1 32 bit library missig |
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| 04:20.15 | cra1g321 | GAM002, you still havent posted the full output nor your sources.list file |
| 04:20.49 | jmcnaught | GAM002: are you using the Steam package provided by Debian? The instructions at https://wiki.debian.org/Steam look pretty simple for Jessie, seems you might be way off in the wilderness with your approach |
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| 04:21.10 | GAM002 | no i manually downloaded steam |
| 04:21.23 | jmcnaught | GAM002: also if you want help with package issues, check with the bot for the minimum amount of troubleshooting info people need to help you: /msg dpkg bat |
| 04:21.35 | markybob | GAM002: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 04:21.56 | GAM002 | i think i broke debian already :( |
| 04:22.03 | jmcnaught | GAM002: if you need/want to use the version downloaded from steam instead of the easier debian package, you should get support from the Steam community |
| 04:22.32 | cra1g321 | steam in the debian repos works fine, and even updates during first installation |
| 04:22.34 | markybob | GAM002: i don't see why we have to ask repeated for you to pastebin things, though. |
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| 04:25.14 | GAM002 | http://paste.debian.net/402704/ |
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| 04:25.48 | cra1g321 | oh boi.... |
| 04:26.11 | GAM002 | ?? |
| 04:26.18 | GAM002 | what? |
| 04:26.25 | GAM002 | my entire system is broken isnt it? |
| 04:26.28 | GAM002 | :( |
| 04:26.29 | cra1g321 | you have duplicates, jessie updates is in twice |
| 04:26.32 | GAM002 | gain |
| 04:26.34 | GAM002 | again |
| 04:26.54 | cra1g321 | lets clean up your sources.list |
| 04:27.34 | GAM002 | ?? |
| 04:27.36 | GAM002 | clean what? |
| 04:27.41 | GAM002 | entirely? |
| 04:27.46 | jmcnaught | GAM002: are there any repos you have removed from sources.list, or any others in files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? The example at https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list_for_Debian_8_.22Jessie.22 is what you want it to look like, with "contrib non-free" at the end of each line after "main" |
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| 04:28.40 | cra1g321 | GAM002, edit your sources.list so it is like this http://paste.debian.net/402706/ |
| 04:29.20 | cra1g321 | then do anything else until you tell us you did that |
| 04:29.24 | cra1g321 | dont* |
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| 04:30.01 | GAM002 | wt? |
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| 04:30.06 | GAM002 | -__ |
| 04:30.10 | GAM002 | -__- |
| 04:30.34 | cra1g321 | do you know how to edit the sources.list file ? |
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| 04:31.25 | rabbitear | cra1g321: with an editor |
| 04:31.49 | cra1g321 | rabbitear, was asking GAM002 not the channel :) |
| 04:32.04 | rabbitear | cra1g321: oh okay |
| 04:32.20 | GAM002 | its edited |
| 04:32.30 | rabbitear | cra1g321: will be more careful with you |
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| 04:32.46 | GAM002 | i opened as sudo and copy pasted the command |
| 04:32.53 | cra1g321 | GAM002, ok now do apt-get update |
| 04:33.21 | dvs | bam! |
| 04:33.35 | cra1g321 | oh wait do: sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 && sudo apt-get update |
| 04:33.44 | cra1g321 | then apt-get install steam |
| 04:33.46 | cra1g321 | and pray :P |
| 04:34.26 | GAM002 | but how to uninstall current steam? |
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| 04:34.45 | cra1g321 | apt-get remove steam |
| 04:34.46 | hiya | why does Debian Gnome - Hexchat freeze a lot when we type? |
| 04:34.51 | jmcnaught | GAM002: it should have come with instructions on how to uninstall it |
| 04:36.09 | markybob | GAM002: you installed it with dpkg -i steam.deb, right? |
| 04:36.27 | GAM002 | no i manually downloaded the deb file and runned it |
| 04:36.31 | GAM002 | but now removed |
| 04:36.34 | markybob | GAM002: so you remove it with dpkg --purge |
| 04:36.36 | GAM002 | its aptitude install steam |
| 04:36.38 | GAM002 | right? |
| 04:36.44 | markybob | GAM002: sure |
| 04:37.30 | GAM002 | but still i think i have already brocken many packages |
| 04:37.46 | GAM002 | steam is downloading |
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| 04:38.38 | TomTomTo1 | don't be so pessimistic ;D |
| 04:38.42 | mdim | I've been trying to set up a Debile instance on my server. In its configuration file - master.yaml - I need to specify a keyring, e.g. pgp: /srv/debile/keyring.pgp |
| 04:38.49 | mdim | what is this file? |
| 04:39.26 | markybob | wtf is debile? |
| 04:39.34 | mdim | it's a build system |
| 04:39.34 | hiya | I think Intel idling is not fine with Debian Stable's kernel |
| 04:39.38 | hiya | Haswell |
| 04:39.38 | mdim | http://debile.debian.net/ |
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| 04:43.25 | jmcnaught | mdim: seems like there is a #debile on irc.debian.org, you might ask there. i have never heard of this, looks interesting though. |
| 04:43.52 | GAM002 | how can i make a debian distro of my own? |
| 04:43.56 | GAM002 | debian based |
| 04:44.05 | GAM002 | do i need to know how to code? |
| 04:44.19 | hiya | ACPI Warning: SystemIO range 0x000000000000F040-0x000000000000F05F conflicts with OpRegion 0x000000000000F040-0x000000000000F04F (\_SB_.PCI0.SBUS.SMBI) (20140424/utaddress-254) |
| 04:44.20 | GAM002 | i know some very basic c++,html |
| 04:44.24 | GAM002 | and mysql |
| 04:44.27 | hiya | is this a serious error? |
| 04:44.45 | GAM002 | that error looks serious in size |
| 04:45.38 | mdim | jmcnaught: thanks. I thought this would be a more general question, in particular, how does one create a PGP/GPG keyring |
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| 04:46.13 | jmcnaught | mdim: there's also a website for the Debian keyring: http://keyring.debian.org/ |
| 04:46.57 | jmcnaught | mdim: you could also look at the contents of the debian-archive-keyring package |
| 04:47.00 | mdim | jmcnaught: I know. This is just a test instance and I'm not a DD yet, so I'd need a mock keyring |
| 04:47.21 | mdim | just for the purposes of testing |
| 04:47.55 | jmcnaught | mdim: sorry i don't really understand debile, i usually just use debootstrap |
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| 04:58.14 | hiya | Why is there no /etc/X11/xorg.conf on my system? |
| 04:58.17 | hiya | What could be the problem? |
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| 05:04.16 | TomTomTo1 | hiya, the xorg.conf does not exist by default. |
| 05:07.00 | Fatar | hello i'm having issue with my dev/sda folder, it's used by 92% but I don't know how it got filled this much, how can I fix this issue? |
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| 05:10.47 | mdim | jmcnaught: let me rephrase my question - how to create a keyring, or whatever it is that ends with the .pgp file extension? |
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| 05:15.25 | TomTomTo1 | Fatar, dev/sda is your hard drive interface. it's not a folder. what is telling you it's used by 92%? |
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| 05:18.09 | markybob | Fatar: most people who come here and don't know have a problem with log files. delete *.gz from /var/log/ |
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| 06:01.36 | johnfg | TomTomTo1: Thanks for the help. Here's what the cmd shows: http://paste.debian.net/402712/ |
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| 06:05.00 | johnfg | Is the network-manager-applet under mate, different than network-manager-gnome? |
| 06:05.42 | TomTomTo1 | johnfg, nope, it's the same. |
| 06:05.56 | TomTomTo1 | johnfg, so you prob don't want to remove that ;D |
| 06:06.18 | TomTomTo1 | johnfg, try the other solution i gave you. disable the gpg part. |
| 06:08.54 | TomTomTo1 | this: ln -sf /dev/null /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-gpg.desktop |
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| 06:09.14 | TomTomTo1 | if you want to backup the file do cp /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-gpg.desktop /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-gpg.desktop.old |
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| 06:10.04 | TomTomTo1 | and relog afterwards. |
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| 06:14.13 | TomTomTo1 | (obv you do the backup first :P) |
| 06:15.07 | TomTomTo1 | is going out to hunt for food |
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| 06:26.59 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 06:40.11 | shaun414 | Test |
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| 06:42.59 | poffs | i have an issue starting a service in a schroot "Starting ZoneMinder: Error getting authority: Error initializing authority: Could not connect: No such file or directory" https://forums.zoneminder.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=24327&sid=ee6152d3b796ec94ee95f174e2e70480 |
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| 06:46.38 | i8igmac | Linux debian 4.4.0-kirkwood-tld-1 |
| 06:46.46 | i8igmac | i just installed this on my pogoplug |
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| 06:47.28 | i8igmac | its a jessie repo i guess |
| 06:47.57 | i8igmac | very light weight, missing all kinds of basic Get around tools |
| 06:48.28 | TomTomTo1 | ^- nothing about this made sense to me |
| 06:49.05 | i8igmac | lol |
| 06:49.35 | i8igmac | pogo is like a stick people jump on, there is a spring foot that is bouncy |
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| 06:50.11 | i8igmac | some drunk old man duck taped a spring to a stick one day and BOOM... |
| 06:51.40 | TomTomTo1 | right. it's either not supported here or for #debian-offtopic :P |
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| 07:05.59 | react0r | Hi |
| 07:06.06 | react0r | Anyone can explain me about smp_affinity? |
| 07:06.13 | react0r | cat /proc/irq/88/smp_affinity gives me 2 |
| 07:06.16 | react0r | it's CPU 1 right ? |
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| 07:36.43 | TomTomTo1 | react0r, smp_affinity is a CPU mask. 2 would be 10 so 1 for CPU1 and 0 for CPU0 |
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| 08:44.36 | Walakea | where can i find a template to make a systemd unit on boot? |
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| 08:55.56 | well_laid_lawn | Walakea: tried the arch wiki ? |
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| 09:00.03 | Walakea | yes, already done it |
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| 09:03.21 | psopacua | Is it easy to remove KDE & install Gnome? |
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| 09:03.48 | psopacua | can i just use the apt-get to remove KDE & ATI Drivers and after that install gnome with the orrect ATI drivers for gnome? |
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| 09:05.19 | Mathisen | you can have both kde and gnome also if you want :) |
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| 09:05.31 | halt | Hi All, what's the nice way to go around this existing bug in stable ( jessie ) https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=812708 ? |
| 09:05.32 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/812708 in ca-certificates (open): «ca-certificates: on fresh debian install typical ssl session fails on Thawte certificates»; severity: important; opened: 2016-01-25; last modified: 2016-02-16. |
| 09:05.42 | TomTomTo1 | psopacua, the graphics drivers are not bound to kde or gnome. |
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| 09:08.05 | psopacua | GLFRX doesnt work with Gnome |
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| 09:13.01 | psopacua | Debian 8 "Jessie" |
| 09:13.01 | psopacua | AMD Catalyst 14.9 |
| 09:13.01 | psopacua | For support of Radeon R9 200, Radeon R7 200, Radeon HD 8000, Radeon HD 7000, Radeon HD 6000 and Radeon HD 5000 series GPUs (supported devices). |
| 09:13.01 | psopacua | <!> This driver is incompatible with the GNOME desktop, as it does not support the EGL interface. It is recommended to use the free radeon driver instead. |
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| 09:13.15 | psopacua | whoops |
| 09:13.15 | psopacua | :p |
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| 09:28.42 | estan | hi folks. is there anywhere i can see the build logs from the autobuilder network? i'm interested in the build log for a specific experimental package. |
| 09:29.17 | estan | ooh. `man getbuildlog`. nevermind. |
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| 09:30.07 | mapm | hello everyone |
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| 09:36.42 | mapm | I use Debian 8.2, and I have a problem with USB ports: At random times my USB ports stop working, and if I make "lsusb" the terminal hangs with no result. I have to restart the computer. Could it be a driver issue? |
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| 09:38.40 | c-c | mapm: did you look at dmesg? |
| 09:39.18 | mapm | c-c: yes, but I have no idea how to decypher that information yet |
| 09:40.03 | c-c | I wonder if "sudo less /var/log/kern.log" would be much different |
| 09:41.16 | c-c | mapm: you might do yourself a favour, and pastie output of lsusb and the last lines of dmesg and/or kern.log before crash |
| 09:41.44 | c-c | (pastie as in pastie.org or similar) |
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| 09:42.22 | mapm | c-c: yes I'll do that. But lsusb hangs the terminal |
| 09:42.45 | c-c | mapm: actually, scratch that |
| 09:42.50 | c-c | only kern.log |
| 09:42.55 | mapm | ok |
| 09:42.56 | c-c | dmesg only shows messages since last boot |
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| 09:43.44 | c-c | mapm: yeah, try to reproduce the crash, pay attention to time, so you can get right lines from kern.log |
| 09:44.29 | mapm | c-c: http://pastebin.com/J8ec89VJ |
| 09:44.30 | Flashtek | how to find a package maintainer ? |
| 09:44.32 | rabbitear | and don't be so mean to what you type in on the commandline |
| 09:44.43 | mapm | pastie.org did not let me load more than 64kb |
| 09:44.51 | themill | Flashtek: what do you really want to know? |
| 09:44.51 | c-c | mapm have you added usb to fstab, btw? |
| 09:45.35 | c-c | mapm: also, at what time was crash? |
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| 09:46.00 | rabbitear | hammer time |
| 09:46.30 | mapm | c-c: about reproducing the crash, I can not do it at will, it just happens sometime randomly, or I do not know how to do it. and, no, did not add usb to fstab |
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| 09:47.19 | rabbitear | mapm: you're fired, don't worry about it |
| 09:47.28 | mapm | c-c: at what time... sorry, I do not really know now |
| 09:47.42 | c-c | mapm: so, you don't know if it is really an usb problem |
| 09:48.06 | c-c | must run |
| 09:48.15 | c-c | someone else help mapm? |
| 09:48.42 | mapm | c-c: well, i think it is, as lsusb hangs, and my USB mouse stops working, and when connecting my phone through USB the battery charges but can not access it |
| 09:48.44 | rabbitear | do it yourself |
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| 09:49.33 | mapm | c-c: maybe it is my USB driver, I do not really know. I started using linux last year. |
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| 09:57.11 | mapm | c-c: anyway, thank you for your attention. i'll investigate a bit |
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| 10:27.23 | boser | hello i look for a software-source where i can get something as like as : QuantaPlus, NinjaIDE and Planer. Does somebody know the source? |
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| 10:29.26 | thomasfuston | any ideas? |
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| 10:31.26 | fUNKIAM` | hi all |
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| 10:31.40 | Flashtek | o/ |
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| 10:33.19 | meth | Normally like any partition? |
| 10:33.21 | phpcoder | hello everybody |
| 10:33.40 | phpcoder | can i install mysql 5.6 or 5.7 in debian 8.3 ? |
| 10:33.46 | phpcoder | i see there is an old version of mysql |
| 10:33.47 | phpcoder | 5.5 |
| 10:33.50 | phpcoder | is this possible ? |
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| 10:34.32 | babilen | Only from unsupported third-party sources |
| 10:36.42 | phpcoder | babilen, unsupported? |
| 10:36.49 | phpcoder | i read mysql 5.7 is stable now |
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| 10:38.00 | nikitasius | use https://www.dotdeb.org/ |
| 10:38.20 | nikitasius | i've used their repo to add fresh php on my servers |
| 10:39.16 | phpcoder | nikitasius, we always used ubuntu |
| 10:39.23 | rhizome | i believe 5.6 is what's in testing, had to wrestle with it a little yesterday |
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| 10:39.32 | phpcoder | i know ubuntu is a child of debian... |
| 10:39.43 | phpcoder | but it has more recent versions |
| 10:39.50 | phpcoder | nikitasius, i read php7 too |
| 10:39.51 | phpcoder | sounds good |
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| 10:40.36 | phpcoder | nikitasius, i mean the chose is between ubuntu 15.10 and debian 8.3 |
| 10:40.37 | John | hi all :) |
| 10:40.48 | phpcoder | who wins? :D |
| 10:40.53 | John | I have 4 SSD hard drives that I want to RAID together in RAID 0 |
| 10:42.10 | John | I currently have 3 SSDs in my PC, RAID0'd together and I have my whole filesystem on there |
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| 10:42.15 | phpcoder | nikitasius, could you give me an advice ? |
| 10:42.15 | John | (ext4) |
| 10:42.19 | phpcoder | your opinion |
| 10:42.21 | babilen | phpcoder: Yes, unsupported as in "Not supported by Debian". If the most important point is the availability of the newest MySQL server packages then I would recommend to pick a distribution that ships them in their stable release. But feel free to use dotdeb, but be aware that we do not support their packages. |
| 10:42.46 | psopacua | Can i easily remove KDE and install Gnome in Debian Jessie 8 or do i have to keep some things in mind? (Except the ATI Radeon driver thingy :p) |
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| 10:42.51 | John | However, im concerned that there are things I need to be doing to get the best performance out of this system, and I think I should be paying attention to TRIM or block alignment or something? |
| 10:43.17 | John | Anyway, i'm going to re-install the whole OS soon because I can't just add the 4th SSD to the array |
| 10:43.28 | phpcoder | babilen, that's the problem..ubuntu has new versions but it does not have mysql 5.7 and php7 |
| 10:43.29 | John | Should i stick with ext4 or move to something newer? |
| 10:43.33 | phpcoder | there are no distro with those stable versions |
| 10:43.36 | John | Is there anything I have to watch out for? |
| 10:44.21 | babilen | phpcoder: That might hint at the fact that you might want to use a more tested version of MySQL. |
| 10:44.51 | babilen | phpcoder: But really: It is up to you! If it is of utmost important that you have a bleeding edge MySQL version then, by all means, make it happen |
| 10:45.12 | phpcoder | babilen, you are right...but for example 5.6.28 is stable from many months |
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| 10:45.50 | rabbitear | John: these days it doesn't matter, all that stuff is built in now |
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| 10:46.33 | rabbitear | John: you won't do that much to get more preformance out of a ssd anymore. |
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| 10:51.20 | DarioLap | hi all, when it will end cycle of 8.3 version? |
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| 10:56.54 | DeFender1031 | hi all. Running on a mixed system with apt-pinning, trying to install boost headers from stable, but i'm getting dependency issues. I've tracked the issue down to a series of "Depends: libboost-something1.55.0 (= 1.55.0+dfsg-3) but 1.55.0+dfsg-4 is to be installed". Wondering whether -4 really breaks backwards compatibility so badly that it should only accept -3, and if not, what I need to do to fix it. Full output of my attempt |
| 10:56.55 | DeFender1031 | to install can be found at http://paste.nachsoftware.com/DeFender1031/qVVqpeefda0b5efd84ccef09856cc39d08e48cGH Any help would be appreciated. |
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| 11:41.15 | John | rabbitear: ah ok - thank you :) |
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| 11:41.40 | John | Wait, er, when you say i wont get much more performance, do you mean over HDD or over SSD with all these extra options fiddled with? |
| 11:42.03 | John | Because read speed to me is really important. Like im always IO bound |
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| 11:44.10 | nikitasius | phpcoder , choose between ubuntu core and debian core. Ubuntu's core - 'cause it's edited by canonical. there is xubuntu too - community ubuntu with xfce, but it contain same ubuntu core. I've choosen for my work laptop debian 8.3 |
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| 11:45.13 | phpcoder | nikitasius, i need the server version |
| 11:45.49 | nikitasius | phpcoder debian 8.3 with 4.3 kernel. for server - if you know how to work with debian - use debian. I use for servers debian netinsts images. |
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| 11:46.25 | rabbitear | sounds like code for what we've got in the back room |
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| 11:47.09 | nikitasius | rabbitear debian? what do you mean? |
| 11:47.44 | rabbitear | I'm a slackware user, but lately use lots of debian |
| 11:47.49 | nikitasius | some use centos, some use debian, some use freebsd for servers. I;ve choosen and use debian |
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| 11:48.03 | nikitasius | someone use slack.. :-) |
| 11:48.24 | phpcoder | yes personally i used debian many years ago...then switched to ubuntu for new versions of the packages... |
| 11:48.38 | phpcoder | but now we would like to use it again |
| 11:48.45 | phpcoder | but we also need php7 and mysql 5.7 |
| 11:48.54 | phpcoder | there is no stable version with those packages |
| 11:48.55 | rabbitear | we have the free pants of smoke weed claus with slackware |
| 11:48.56 | nikitasius | phpcoder you can always download new package and compile it. |
| 11:49.01 | phpcoder | ubuntu 15.10 does not have it |
| 11:49.19 | phpcoder | nikitasius, yes but we will use https://www.dotdeb.org/ repo |
| 11:49.26 | phpcoder | they have all the newest versions |
| 11:49.32 | nkuttler | ,v php7.0 |
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| 11:49.33 | judd | Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.0-4; stretch: 7.0.3-5; sid: 7.0.3-5 |
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| 11:49.46 | nkuttler | !dotdeb |
| 11:49.46 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
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| 11:50.12 | nkuttler | phpcoder: what was your question anyway? |
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| 11:50.16 | phpcoder | yes php is supported in sid |
| 11:50.20 | nikitasius | phpcoder i used dotdeb repo to install php 5.6. |
| 11:50.27 | nkuttler | !tell phpcoder about ssbp |
| 11:50.29 | phpcoder | nkuttler, we are looking for a distro with the new releases :D |
| 11:50.31 | nikitasius | on debian8 |
| 11:50.41 | phpcoder | nikitasius, yes we will use it too with debian 8.3 |
| 11:50.44 | nkuttler | phpcoder: do not use dotdeb, their packages are broken |
| 11:50.53 | themill | I wouldn't touch dotdeb packages with a barge poll. |
| 11:51.01 | phpcoder | nkuttler, ssbp ?? |
| 11:51.03 | nikitasius | nkuttler my server not broken. whats wrong?) |
| 11:51.08 | nkuttler | phpcoder: read the bot's msg |
| 11:51.11 | nkuttler | nikitasius: you got lucky |
| 11:51.34 | nikitasius | nkuttler yes, because i just installed php5.6 for phpbb forum. only for that. |
| 11:51.36 | themill | nikitasius: good luck with your future upgrades |
| 11:51.48 | nikitasius | themill i dont need to upgrade php :) |
| 11:51.55 | themill | right.... |
| 11:52.01 | phpcoder | nkuttler, pardon so what is the solution to have debian and the newest |
| 11:52.06 | phpcoder | versions of php and mysql ? |
| 11:52.10 | nkuttler | phpcoder: don't use debian |
| 11:52.18 | phpcoder | nkuttler, what distro |
| 11:52.19 | phpcoder | ? |
| 11:52.19 | nkuttler | phpcoder: you don't want a stable os, you want the latest stuff |
| 11:52.25 | rabbitear | use slackware |
| 11:52.30 | nkuttler | phpcoder: ask in ##linux |
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| 11:52.59 | nikitasius | themill 'cause php used on one silly forum which run on server. If they will find one day crazy exploit - i'll play with nginx rules to prevent it. php works as php-fpm module. I do not use apache. |
| 11:53.01 | phpcoder | nkuttler, i what stable versions of the softare i am running |
| 11:53.01 | phpcoder | so |
| 11:53.05 | phpcoder | nginx, php, mysql |
| 11:53.10 | phpcoder | php7 is atable now |
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| 11:53.12 | phpcoder | mysql 5.7 too |
| 11:53.20 | nkuttler | phpcoder: you don't want debian stable |
| 11:53.21 | phpcoder | nginx 1.8 too |
| 11:53.25 | themill | php7 has been out for what 5 minutes and it's already got 15 CVEs against it? #awesome. |
| 11:53.30 | nikitasius | phpcoder nginx you can/must download from official website and configure |
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| 11:53.38 | phpcoder | nkuttler, so what? |
| 11:53.44 | nkuttler | phpcoder: use something else |
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| 11:54.18 | phpcoder | ubuyntu too doest not have those packages |
| 11:54.22 | nkuttler | phpcoder: and really, none of this belongs in #debian. this is a support channel for debian stable. if you need help picking a distro use ##linux |
| 11:54.22 | phpcoder | maybe 16.04 |
| 11:54.41 | dcrouch | Trying to configure Debian installation over nfs. I'm getting to the menu, but I do not see an option for network installation, only CD after choosing keyboard and language. Am I missing something? |
| 11:54.54 | nikitasius | phpcoder whats the problem to go on http://nginx.org/en/download.html and download manually? |
| 11:55.21 | nkuttler | nikitasius: please don't give such advice. it's not as bad as dotdeb but not supported here |
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| 11:55.47 | nikitasius | nkuttler it;s developpers website and it's better than you can find over www. |
| 11:56.00 | nkuttler | nikitasius: i know what nginx.org is |
| 11:56.24 | nikitasius | some people dont need features of latest nginx versions. some old pluging dont work with 1.9 etc. |
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| 11:56.52 | nikitasius | i use 1.8.0 with some plugins from 1.3.8 |
| 11:56.55 | nkuttler | nikitasius: i know all of that |
| 11:57.19 | nkuttler | nikitasius: what you personally do is your business. please don't recommend people to compile from source or use dotdeb |
| 11:57.32 | nkuttler | nikitasius: you won't be around 24/7 to give them personal support later |
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| 11:58.30 | nikitasius | nkuttler i dont recommnd to install all via make |
| 11:58.38 | nkuttler | nikitasius: you *just* did |
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| 11:58.52 | nikitasius | nkuttler but nginx should be installed via ./configure and user will select what he need. |
| 11:59.12 | nkuttler | nikitasius: if you want to continue this discussion please do it in #debian-offtopic |
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| 12:00.02 | nikitasius | nkuttler i'll go. but where in this channel description text about: "it's forbidden to speak about manual compilation!" |
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| 12:00.24 | themill | nikitasius: it's not, but giving poor advice to our users is not appreciated |
| 12:00.25 | nikitasius | when you'll show me it - i'll let my discussions for offtopic. |
| 12:00.34 | nkuttler | !rules |
| 12:00.34 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 10 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. 6) #debian supports only Debian (see <based on debian>) |
| 12:00.37 | dcrouch | nikitasius, I can say it's mildly distracting talking about nginx when people like me are seeking debian help for the last few hours. |
| 12:00.37 | nikitasius | themill "compile nginx" - poor? |
| 12:00.40 | nkuttler | nikitasius: see 6. |
| 12:01.02 | DeFender1031 | hi all. Running on a mixed system with apt-pinning, trying to install boost headers from stable, but i'm getting dependency issues. I've tracked the issue down to a series of "Depends: libboost-something1.55.0 (= 1.55.0+dfsg-3) but 1.55.0+dfsg-4 is to be installed". Wondering whether -4 really breaks backwards compatibility so badly that it should only accept -3, and if not, what I need to do to fix it. Full output of my attempt |
| 12:01.03 | RoyK | any idea why fail2ban seems to totally ignore 'bantime' in jail.conf? I've set bantime = 10800, but still it uses 600s as bantime |
| 12:01.04 | DeFender1031 | to install can be found at http://paste.nachsoftware.com/DeFender1031/qVVqpeefda0b5efd84ccef09856cc39d08e48cGH Any help would be appreciated. |
| 12:01.30 | nikitasius | nkuttler based on debian - i have debian. install manually nginx on debian - correct. so? |
| 12:01.36 | dcrouch | nkuttler, Did you have any ideas? About my last response? |
| 12:01.40 | themill | DeFender1031: I think you explained your problem in the first sentence. |
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| 12:01.42 | nikitasius | here is about OS, not about soft. |
| 12:01.46 | themill | nikitasius: please move on. |
| 12:01.50 | nkuttler | dcrouch: not really, the installer starts, right? |
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| 12:02.20 | DeFender1031 | themill, not helpful. |
| 12:02.22 | dcrouch | nkuttler, yes, but I have nfs link for installing the OS. I'm trying to circumvent a terrible KVM that can't seem to properly mount an iso. |
| 12:02.24 | nikitasius | themill advice about manual nginx compilation under debian not against channel rules. So i stay here. |
| 12:02.35 | themill | DeFender1031: well it's about all we can say |
| 12:02.40 | nkuttler | nikitasius: i just gave you the rule it's against |
| 12:02.52 | nkuttler | dcrouch: try #debian-boot on oftc i guess |
| 12:03.03 | DeFender1031 | themill, are you telling me that debian doesn't actually support a feature it was designed with? |
| 12:03.04 | dcrouch | nkuttler, Thanks. |
| 12:03.06 | themill | nikitasius: that would be fine if you were actually making sure the user was going to install it in the right place and make sure that they were going to keep up security updates. |
| 12:03.07 | nkuttler | dcrouch: is that a netinst image you're booting? |
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| 12:03.14 | themill | DeFender1031: apt |
| 12:03.30 | themill | DeFender1031: apt's only job is to ensure that the dependencies are correct |
| 12:03.33 | dcrouch | nkuttler, Doesn't matter I can grab several images, I just want to boot from dhcp/tftp options. |
| 12:03.36 | nkuttler | DeFender1031: pinning doesn't work on stable |
| 12:03.52 | phpcoder | nkuttler, what do you not advice people to install from sources ? |
| 12:03.54 | nkuttler | dcrouch: just asking because the netinst image is all i ever use |
| 12:04.08 | nkuttler | phpcoder: right |
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| 12:04.19 | dcrouch | nkuttler, debian-boot is invite only? |
| 12:04.25 | nkuttler | !tell dcrouch about oftc |
| 12:04.41 | themill | DeFender1031: boost is a weird beast and yes, the versions must match exactly |
| 12:04.54 | nikitasius | themill security updates on manually compiled sooftware works well too. When it was heartbleed, i've upgraded my openssl and libs and recompiled manually compiles nginx and all what used and was compiled with old openssl and libs. |
| 12:04.55 | phpcoder | the problem is that ubuntu 15.10 has less or more the packages we need but the support will be stopped in few months |
| 12:05.01 | phpcoder | nkuttler, ok |
| 12:05.17 | themill | nikitasius: please drop it. We're going nowhere here. |
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| 12:05.51 | RoyK | phpcoder: then just upgrade to 16.04 in april - that'll be supported for a long time |
| 12:05.59 | DeFender1031 | themill, so is there any way for me to get it to install the correct version? |
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| 12:06.55 | phpcoder | RoyK, doing a distro-upgrade in live running server is not soo safe |
| 12:07.10 | RoyK | phpcoder: well, it usually works :) |
| 12:07.18 | themill | DeFender1031: you'd have to work out why it's unhappy; aptitude would normally give better error messages. You'll need to downgrade a stack of other *boost* packages. And remember that downgrading packages is an utterly unsupported operation. |
| 12:07.23 | themill | dpkg: tell DeFender1031 about partial downgrade |
| 12:07.36 | RoyK | and if you need cutting (or bleeding) edge software versions, that's the way |
| 12:08.31 | phpcoder | RoyK, yes it usually works...but it is not safe |
| 12:08.38 | phpcoder | and the server will be down during the upgrade |
| 12:08.41 | phpcoder | no? |
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| 12:08.54 | RoyK | phpcoder: more or less |
| 12:09.04 | nkuttler | phpcoder: are you not load balancing if that is important to you? |
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| 12:09.09 | RoyK | phpcoder: if this is a vm, you could snapshot it before doing anything |
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| 12:09.35 | phpcoder | nkuttler, not for the moment |
| 12:09.51 | phpcoder | nkuttler, maybe i should proxy all the request to another server during the installation ? |
| 12:09.59 | RoyK | phpcoder: or perhaps you could just wait till april and install ubuntu 16.04 when that arrives. or perhaps, if you like living on the edge, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ :) |
| 12:10.22 | RoyK | no server image there, though, but hell, server is just desktop without X |
| 12:11.17 | dcrouch | RoyK, who needs a desktop? Go headless, no monitor even! LOL |
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| 12:11.41 | RoyK | dcrouch: only my laptop has a monitor ;) |
| 12:11.58 | DeFender1031 | themill, hmm, actually it seems like aptitude has found a workable solution where apt-get didn't... |
| 12:12.01 | dcrouch | RoyK, mod that laptop. :-P |
| 12:12.02 | RoyK | that is, I have one sitting by my server in case the shit hits the fan |
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| 12:14.24 | themill | DeFender1031: that's common. aptitude has a different solver that is more willing to do crazy things. Sometimes crazy is what you want, sometimes it is not (like when aptitude decides to try uninstalling just about everything, including itself) |
| 12:14.49 | RoyK | lol |
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| 12:17.58 | DeFender1031 | themill, well, currently i'm having issues with certain things i try to install where event apt-get is trying to uninstall nearly everything, so there's that. |
| 12:18.12 | DeFender1031 | (luckily, it's not happening with anything i'm trying to do at the moment) |
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| 12:18.47 | themill | mixed systems are not intended to be anything other than a transient, hopefully-working state while doing a dist-upgrade (but you've scheduled downtime for that anyway) |
| 12:18.57 | DeFender1031 | and yes, i'm pretty sure the issue stems from the mixed system with apt-pinning, but unfortunately there's no way for me to avoid that (it'd uninstall a bunch of important stuff if i try to upgrade or downgrade fully) |
| 12:19.29 | themill | With the changes with gcc5, there's not much scope for successfully mixing jessie and stretch with anything that involves C++ |
| 12:19.30 | DeFender1031 | eh, scheduled downtime isn't something that matters to me on this machine, i'm not a server :P |
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| 12:20.38 | DeFender1031 | i'm aware. unfortunately, there are several kde3 apps that i use very regularly that don't have any feature-parity equivalent in 4, and upgrading would kill those off completely. |
| 12:21.13 | DeFender1031 | anyway, oddly enough, aptitude's solution wasn't crazy at all. |
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| 12:21.36 | dcrouch | Boot channel is quiet. |
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| 12:23.48 | dcrouch | Trying to configure Debian installation over nfs. I'm getting to the menu, but I do not see an option for network installation, only CD after choosing keyboard and language. Am I missing something? |
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| 12:25.46 | themill | dcrouch: can you expand on "over nfs" for us? I think we probably have different ideas as to what you mean. |
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| 12:27.15 | dcrouch | I have a DHCP and TFTP server on another machine. I have an iso of the installation available extracted within an NFS. Just like you can with Redhat, I would like to point my installer to that NFS and install Debian over that. I have a server at a datacenter which is having trouble running an install over an iso mounted to KVM. Looking to circumvent that issue. |
| 12:27.21 | dcrouch | themill ^ |
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| 12:28.21 | dcrouch | I get into the menu just fine, choose keyboard and language, then it only checks CD. I'm wondering if I'm missing any other options for performing a network installation. |
| 12:28.29 | themill | So you're doing a PXE boot or something? |
| 12:28.35 | phpcoder | nkuttler, should i implement a proxy or a load balancer? |
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| 12:29.35 | themill | dcrouch: you've menaged to boot the unpacked, shared image at this stage? |
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| 12:30.48 | dcrouch | themill, yes PXE, yes. But then I don't have a CD locally to use. |
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| 12:35.12 | dcrouch | Hmmm, may be helpful. https://www.howtoforge.com/pxe_booting_debian |
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| 12:35.29 | themill | dcrouch: so it has booted into the installer OK and the installer is running -- I'm not sure what is missing |
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| 12:35.48 | dcrouch | themill, The ability to choose a non-cd medium! |
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| 12:36.37 | themill | I have no mental picture of this |
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| 12:38.13 | babilen | dcrouch: You might want to read https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s05.html.en and https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall maybe |
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| 13:38.02 | rafalcpp | glibc |
| 13:38.06 | rafalcpp | bug |
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| 13:38.17 | anonkun | !sns |
| 13:38.17 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 13:44.08 | Walakea | do you have any suggestions how i should partition my 1 TB HDD on a laptop with only me as a user? |
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| 13:44.49 | Walakea | i am thinking about 4-5 partitions per 200-250 GB with the first partition being the fastest |
| 13:44.53 | noc-admin_ | why partition - is it a new install ? |
| 13:45.01 | Lowl3v3l | Walakea, swapspace is nice and you may want to keep /home on an extra partition^^ |
| 13:45.51 | Walakea | now i have only one main partition |
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| 13:46.37 | Walakea | i dont really know what is the best, but i heard about short stroking on wiki article |
| 13:46.40 | DammitJim | what is a great product to backup a debian server? |
| 13:46.52 | DammitJim | this is the only server on bare metal |
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| 13:46.58 | DammitJim | and I haven't taken care of it |
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| 13:47.42 | RoyK | Walakea: Start out with LVM, create one big partition covering the whole disk, create a small LV for root, one for swap, one for home, and perhaps something else. Grow them as you need |
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| 13:48.10 | Walakea | i didnt use LVM dont know what it is good for |
| 13:48.17 | noc-admin_ | DammitJim, what are you going to back up to - another server or removable media / |
| 13:48.32 | RoyK | Walakea: old style partitioning really isn't very flexible - LVM is |
| 13:49.16 | RoyK | Walakea: it makes it possible to just grow a gigabyte here and there when you need it - or even shrink the volumes (unless using xfs or other filesystems that can't be shrunk) |
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| 13:49.50 | RoyK | Walakea: if you don't know LVM, please look it up - it'll save you from a lot of headache |
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| 13:50.05 | DammitJim | noc-admin_, probably removable media *sigh* |
| 13:50.12 | DammitJim | but I could look into another server if needed |
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| 13:52.23 | noc-admin_ | DammitJim, not sure about removable media, but we rsync to different nodes on the lan/wan extensively here. Another box on the lan can be any flavor you want. |
| 13:53.11 | DammitJim | noc-admin_, I guess I"m going to have to learn about this stuff... I don't know why an rsync doesn't give me the warm fuzzies in terms of doing a restore... what do you restore to? |
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| 13:56.34 | noc-admin_ | DammitJim, depends on file type and if permissions are an issue. Never had to restore anything other than user data (user deleted by accident etc.). Also depends on the apps in question too. |
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| 13:57.04 | DammitJim | noc-admin_, I'm thinking... let's say the RAID Array gets corrupted or something |
| 13:57.10 | DammitJim | and I have to re-build the server |
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| 13:57.56 | shaun414 | Testing CQ |
| 13:58.40 | noc-admin_ | DammitJim, thats a worst case for sure. Removable might be worth digging into. How much data to be backed up ? |
| 13:58.54 | DammitJim | like 100GB |
| 13:59.20 | DammitJim | I'm so used to just using Veeam for our VM environment |
| 13:59.28 | DammitJim | would something like acronis backup work? |
| 13:59.46 | noc-admin_ | DammitJim, got a spare box on the lan with that much space avail ? |
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| 14:00.24 | noc-admin_ | DammitJim, do not know about acronis - but hear good things - mileage may vary as always though. |
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| 14:05.22 | DammitJim | hhmmmm |
| 14:05.22 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 14:06.07 | elfranne | what is the full path for the cd command ? |
| 14:06.52 | Flashtek | elfranne: it's built in to bash |
| 14:06.54 | jgornick | Hey folks, running Jessie (Raspbian) and having some issues starting systemd services inside if-pre-up.d and if-up.d scripts. I'm essentially trying to manage services that need to started and stopped whenever an interface is brought up or down. Any ideas on a way to do this? |
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| 14:07.28 | awal1 | !raspbian |
| 14:07.28 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 14:07.28 | jgornick | s/that need to started and stopped/that need to start and stop |
| 14:08.02 | abrotman | jgornick: They have thier own support channel |
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| 14:08.38 | jgornick | abrotman: Is it because they may have change the way Debian implemented networking and systemd? |
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| 14:09.36 | abrotman | jgornick: oddly, we don't know, you'll have to ask them |
| 14:09.43 | jgornick | abrotman: Sounds good :) |
| 14:09.46 | jgornick | Thanks. |
| 14:09.51 | awal1 | !based on debian |
| 14:09.51 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 14:09.58 | abrotman | awal1: you can stop that any time .. |
| 14:10.16 | awal1 | stop what? |
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| 14:10.46 | awal1 | better idea, right |
| 14:10.52 | abrotman | awal1: learning bad patterns from jhutchins |
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| 14:26.01 | grawity | jgornick: you might want `systemctl --no-block start ...` |
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| 14:26.37 | jgornick | grawity: You may be right :) |
| 14:26.44 | jgornick | grawity: Let me give it a try. |
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| 14:38.55 | sshnewbie | i installed jessie on my second laptop and the installed ssh server on it. From my first laptop I am trying to establñish a ssh connection with the second one but whenever i do ssh userlaptop1@191.168.1.131 i get : port 22: Connection refused |
| 14:39.50 | jgornick | grawity: That does allow my instance to boot up after starting services inside an if-pre-up script. Might not be the best solution, but will work for now. |
| 14:39.51 | markybob | sshnewbie: how did you install ssh? |
| 14:39.55 | jgornick | grawity: Thank you! |
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| 14:40.11 | markybob | shaun414: and did you mean 192? |
| 14:40.24 | markybob | sshnewbie: and did you mean 192? |
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| 14:40.53 | shaun414 | ha |
| 14:40.59 | sshnewbie | markybob, i did apt-get install ssh |
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| 14:41.22 | markybob | sshnewbie: that's the client. for server you need openssh-server |
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| 14:42.19 | sshnewbie | markybob, openssh-server is installed |
| 14:42.25 | sshnewbie | markybob, openssh-server is installed on laptop 1 |
| 14:42.45 | markybob | sshnewbie: does ps aux show it as running? |
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| 14:43.48 | sshnewbie | markybob, sshd is indeed running |
| 14:44.00 | markybob | sshnewbie: and did you mean 192? did you use 192 or 191 as you pasted? |
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| 14:44.47 | sshnewbie | markybob, 192? what are you talking about? |
| 14:45.38 | sshnewbie | markybob, oh my! my bad! now i got it! thanks |
| 14:45.49 | markybob | sshnewbie: the ip |
| 14:45.52 | markybob | sshnewbie: great |
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| 14:46.04 | sshnewbie | i typed 191 instead of 192. i am a dummy! |
| 14:46.12 | sshnewbie | thanks |
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| 14:52.33 | flashdel | hi folks! I got a question. I would like to upgrade all my packages regarding glibc. Glibc is a source package and i cannot upgrade via apt-get install glibc. Now i got two questions: What would be the appropriate way to upgrade and is there a tool which can list me all _installed_ packages, which are sourced by glibc? |
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| 14:53.13 | markybob | flashdel: almost everying uses glibc. |
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| 14:53.16 | markybob | !libc6_bug |
| 14:53.16 | dpkg | Both glibc(dsa3481) and eglibc(dsa3480) have been patched for squeeze,wheezy, jessie, and sid. To install:"apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"::Ensure libc6 is upgraded. See security.debian.org for other notes. |
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| 14:54.18 | markybob | flashdel: after you do that it's best to restart |
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| 14:59.56 | flashdel | thanks for your reply markybob, but that doesnt answer my questions. It could be any other source packages, i would like to see a list of the installed packages regarding source package xyz. In many cases i dont want to upgrade the whole system, i just want to upgrade those packages which are marked as a security risk |
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| 15:02.44 | markybob | flashdel: you don't have to upgrade the whole system if you don't want. apt-get update && apt-get install libc6 will do the trick if you don't want to use upgrade |
| 15:03.09 | ToHellWithGA | i'm on testing, gnome desktop, and have a couple issues. #1 is i can't figure out how to launch the gnome flashback thingy. based on what i've read it might be better than MATE is some ways |
| 15:03.29 | markybob | ToHellWithGA: testing support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic |
| 15:03.38 | hiya | Which one is better apparmor or SELinux? |
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| 15:04.05 | jelly | hiya: the one you can use and have policies for. |
| 15:04.26 | jelly | neither are well supported in debian |
| 15:04.31 | hiya | Oh |
| 15:04.32 | hiya | sucks |
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| 15:04.43 | hiya | is it required for daily use? Or am I being too paranoid? |
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| 15:05.02 | markybob | hiya: probably too paranoid |
| 15:05.04 | ToHellWithGA | markybob: i'm not sure it's really a testing problem so much as me not knowing the right syntax. |
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| 15:05.29 | ToHellWithGA | i don't know how to change gnome sessions from... whatever this default garbage is to something that looks more like gnome 2 |
| 15:05.34 | jelly | hiya: apparently you're not paranoid enough to investigate what these do |
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| 15:06.19 | hiya | markybob, Why do you think different from jelly ? |
| 15:06.38 | jelly | we actually agree. |
| 15:06.43 | markybob | hiya: i'm not sure i do... |
| 15:07.06 | flashdel | markybob: i know, i guess you dont understand my question :) I would like to have a LIST of packages which are currently installed on my system and part of source xyz. The Output should be something like the output i get if i am doing "apt-cache policy ssh". Unfourtunately i you cannot do apt-cache policy on source packages, so basically i am search for a tool which can do it |
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| 15:09.48 | hiya | markybob, ok |
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| 15:11.54 | tite12345 | Hi |
| 15:12.02 | tite12345 | i couldn't lock my screen via the default key combo |
| 15:12.06 | tite12345 | super + L |
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| 15:12.28 | tite12345 | my guess is that it might have something to do with having 3 DE's: KDE, Gnome and Cinnamon |
| 15:12.35 | tite12345 | I currently use Gnome |
| 15:12.55 | tite12345 | I only couldn't do lock screen in Gnome |
| 15:13.03 | tite12345 | Could I be helped? I use 8.3 |
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| 15:16.29 | noc-admin_ | I'm looking for gui based folder encryption app for a debian 8 / gnome 3 install. Tried Googl'ing but not much help. Any recommendations here ? |
| 15:16.44 | ksk | gui based. ouch! |
| 15:17.03 | noc-admin_ | ksk, user not happy on cli :-| |
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| 15:19.38 | JordiGH | How can I find out which fonts I need to install for these? http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/list-unicodeset.jsp?a=[%F0%9F%91%B8-%F0%9F%92%80] |
| 15:19.49 | JordiGH | unifont has them, but what else does? |
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| 15:26.57 | jhutchins | tite12345: The only key combination I've had work in Linux is Ctrl-Alt-L |
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| 15:47.13 | dionysus69 | how do I run console command with xdotool in firefox or chrome? |
| 15:47.28 | dionysus69 | I want it automated preferably without opening developer tools |
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| 15:47.42 | dionysus69 | or any other way to automate it ? |
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| 15:49.02 | c-c | dionysus69: you seem confused |
| 15:49.15 | c-c | dionysus69: browsers do not run console commands |
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| 15:49.42 | dionysus69 | spidermonkey or v8 |
| 15:49.54 | dionysus69 | I meant the javascript console |
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| 15:50.16 | c-c | dionysus69: for browser support, go to browser channel |
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| 15:50.45 | dionysus69 | haha sorry I am trying to bind things together |
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| 15:51.18 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | someone any idea? |
| 15:51.19 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | echo objs/telegram-purple.o && gcc -g -O2 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/libpurple -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DENABLE_N |
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| 15:52.16 | c-c | Ask a well formulated question, receive a well formulated answer... |
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| 15:54.10 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | the error meesage is above :P |
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| 16:03.29 | NMGDebian | Natural Scrolling doesn't work on my installation |
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| 16:04.07 | Flashtek | how about unnatural scrolling ? |
| 16:04.15 | Flashtek | or even supernatural scrolling...? |
| 16:04.31 | JordiGH | Natural scrolling is where you move the scroll wheel down on the mouse but the screen scrolls up? |
| 16:04.35 | NMGDebian | Yes |
| 16:04.47 | NMGDebian | The option disappeared in the settings |
| 16:05.05 | NMGDebian | and changing the dconf value fixes nothing |
| 16:05.08 | JordiGH | I can't believe Apple decided that was natural and now everyone else must follow suit. |
| 16:05.22 | JordiGH | Touch screens and mouse wheels are different interfaces. |
| 16:05.51 | NMGDebian | JordiGH: well it is a touch pad not a wheel so it is similar |
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| 16:06.06 | JordiGH | But touchpads are not overlaid over the screen. |
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| 16:06.23 | NMGDebian | JordiGH:sure to each his own. |
| 16:06.35 | JordiGH | Well, not to you, apparently, since Gnome has removed the option. |
| 16:06.39 | JordiGH | C'est la gnome. |
| 16:06.45 | NMGDebian | They didn't |
| 16:06.48 | NMGDebian | It's there |
| 16:06.58 | NMGDebian | My computer has a problem |
| 16:07.02 | NMGDebian | showing it |
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| 16:07.22 | NMGDebian | It's in dconf but changing it doesn't work |
| 16:09.14 | markybob | that's so ridiculous i can't even put into words. scrolling down makes it scroll up. wtf |
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| 16:09.38 | JordiGH | markybob: It's a matter of perspective. Are you moving the view up or the thing being viewed up? |
| 16:10.00 | JordiGH | The viewer or the viewee, what is the mouse wheel conceptually bound to? |
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| 16:10.35 | DonaldDuck | Look at the wheel also. Put the wheel on a piece of paper. Roll it down, the paper will go "up". |
| 16:10.54 | JordiGH | Or the touchpad? |
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| 16:11.24 | NMGDebian | can anyone help me with this? |
| 16:11.36 | JordiGH | On a touch screen, the viewer is pretty clearly bound to the thing being moved. So moving the viewer up on a touchscreen moves the viewee down. |
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| 16:11.57 | c-c | ok |
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| 16:12.32 | dooglus | I installed debian 8, xfce4 desktop environment on a new laptop. It wouldn't suspend or shut down. I figured the lightdm might be the problem, so I installed gdm3 instead. now it won't boot "oh no something has gone wrong, call the administrator" or some such, with a sadface. switching back to lightdm fixes it. known problem? fix? |
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| 16:12.52 | dooglus | I did the exact same thing (xfce4 + gdm3) on a different machine and didn't have any problem |
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| 16:13.08 | c-c | NMGDebian: can you find it in "gnome-control-center"? |
| 16:13.28 | markybob | dooglus: it's probably a hardware acceleration issue. gnome/gdm3 has gotten really stupid |
| 16:13.30 | zykotick9 | dooglus: probably a 3d video support issue... best of luck. |
| 16:13.36 | NMGDebian | c-c:Ill look |
| 16:14.05 | dooglus | zykotick9: my screen isn't 3d; it's flat |
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| 16:14.23 | markybob | dooglus: that's not what he meant. he meant what i said |
| 16:14.30 | NMGDebian | c-c: It's not there. It worked a few days ago and now it's not working. |
| 16:14.42 | NMGDebian | There is not even touchpad settings |
| 16:14.47 | DonaldDuck | (Trying not to laught here). |
| 16:14.58 | NMGDebian | I think this is a driver issue. |
| 16:15.14 | c-c | NMGDebian: next stop is dconf-editor |
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| 16:15.22 | c-c | you will have to google up the key |
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| 16:15.56 | c-c | (unless you have gnome 2, old name was gconf-editor) |
| 16:16.08 | NMGDebian | c-c: Tried that. Changing the key doesn't fix it |
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| 16:16.15 | DonaldDuck | dooglus look into your logs, you should see the issues. I had this issue before. It was a permission issues. |
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| 16:16.52 | c-c | NMGDebian: you tried "that"? right |
| 16:17.20 | NMGDebian | c-c:I tried dconf |
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| 16:17.50 | c-c | NMGDebian: please, describe your problem and actions, or *forever* remain silent |
| 16:18.06 | dooglus | markybob: so I guess lightdm is working, but 'suspend' isn't |
| 16:18.09 | c-c | is not a psychic, clairvoyant, or practiced in ESP |
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| 16:18.51 | NMGDebian | c-c: I went to org > gnome > settings-daemon > peripherals > touchpad |
| 16:18.56 | cimbakahn | Hello! |
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| 16:19.21 | NMGDebian | and enabled and disable natural-scroll. There was no difference |
| 16:19.35 | c-c | well, are you using a mouse or an touchpad? |
| 16:19.51 | NMGDebian | c-c: touchpad |
| 16:20.01 | cimbakahn | Is there a difference between these 2 installers? And would the only difference be that the 2nd one is newer? https://imgur.com/a/Mqjkt |
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| 16:20.53 | blind | Well one is debian stable and the other is unstable. |
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| 16:21.03 | blind | judging by the youtube video titles |
| 16:21.23 | menace | quick question: i have debian stable (jessie) with security updates. Should every Package be installable with "aptitude -y install package", or are broken dependencies allowed? |
| 16:21.29 | blind | I always use the TUI installer |
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| 16:21.52 | cimbakahn | I want to see what a debian testing netinstall installer looks like then. |
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| 16:23.03 | zykotick9 | cimbakahn: you might want to consult "/msg dpkg testing installer" |
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| 16:23.26 | c-c | NMGDebian: http://www.cheesed-off.com/137_reverse-scrolling/ |
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| 16:23.37 | centrx | menace, What do you mean exactly? It is not possible to install every package in the repo alongside each other. |
| 16:23.41 | cimbakahn | msg: No such file or directory |
| 16:23.59 | centrx | cimbakahn, That's an IRC command |
| 16:24.00 | zykotick9 | cimbakahn: sorry, here in irc |
| 16:24.16 | centrx | cimbakahn, The testing installer is for testing the installer, not for reliably installing testing (use the stable installer to install testing) |
| 16:24.21 | c-c | menace: you dont need -u |
| 16:24.27 | c-c | uh, -y |
| 16:24.35 | c-c | menace: aptitude resolves dependencies |
| 16:24.58 | c-c | menace: perhaps you want to use synaptic |
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| 16:25.41 | cimbakahn | I just want debian testing with vanilla lxde on top. |
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| 16:26.28 | zykotick9 | cimbakahn: your best bet, is install a minimal stable - then "downgrade" to testing... good luck. |
| 16:26.34 | NMGDebian | c-c: Works now. Thanks! |
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| 16:28.18 | cimbakahn | https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian second column testing stretch with vanilla lxde on top |
| 16:29.13 | cimbakahn | I heard that that was difficult to do. |
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| 16:29.42 | DDR | Hi all. In the interest of education and learning me some linux, what the heck is this error message telling me to do? http://www.pasteall.org/pic/99673 |
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| 16:30.05 | c-c | why not just make unetbootin for netinstall? |
| 16:30.08 | c-c | cimbakahn: ^ |
| 16:30.22 | r6ku | cimbakahn: if it's difficult for you then you probably shouldn't be using testing https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
| 16:30.24 | zykotick9 | c-c: unetbootin is a BAD suggestion for debian isos! cimbakahn |
| 16:30.43 | DDR | Through the link is a screenshot from Dolphin, saying it couldn't unmount my thumbdrive. |
| 16:30.48 | c-c | zykotick9: I've used unetbootin for every base install last 10 years B) |
| 16:30.50 | cimbakahn | Which package for netinstall debian testing? |
| 16:31.06 | cimbakahn | What page is it on? |
| 16:31.16 | zykotick9 | c-c: "works for me" when it's a broken process - is NOT a reason to suggest it. |
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| 16:31.37 | c-c | DDR: its still writing / open by some process |
| 16:32.02 | c-c | zykotick9: I think you could explain why do you think it is broken? |
| 16:32.04 | DDR | Ah, I think it was the terminal view that had it open, the grey bar in the bottom. |
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| 16:32.24 | zykotick9 | c-c: see "/msg dpkg unetbootin" for confirmation |
| 16:32.24 | DDR | So, I just can't unmount something I'm looking at I guess. |
| 16:32.27 | DDR | Sometimes. |
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| 16:33.39 | c-c | zykotick9: so, it claims installer is "mangled" |
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| 16:33.44 | c-c | never had a problem |
| 16:33.47 | DDR | "Sometimes" very much seems to be the keyword for this OS, for me. "Sometimes" my tablet won't work. "Sometimes" I can't launch anything graphical with kdesudo. Sometimes things break, and sometimes they fix themselves. |
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| 16:34.06 | DDR | Anyhow, grouching aside, I'm off. Thanks for the help. :) |
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| 16:34.15 | c-c | I've even used unetbootin -installed debian for testing automated debian installs :D |
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| 16:35.50 | free_speech | hello. Some days ago, I dumped an ISO file to an USB stick (dd if=/path/to/iso/image.iso of=dev/<stick-devicefile>) and after doing so, the stick only had one .deb file ( it was about dumping an iso from a debian release ). this is what I use, just wait some seconds ... |
| 16:35.53 | free_speech | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.53 | free_speech | Uptime: 2d 20h 55m 33s ** |
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| 16:36.59 | NDeb | Does GNOME Shell 3 allow for integration with the Chrome Notification Center? |
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| 16:37.53 | c-c | zykotick9: so far, after that, and googling up 3 bug reports, all I see is vague innuendo by people hostile to non-console-users |
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| 16:38.27 | c-c | zykotick9: have you found a place where *actual* discrete bugs or problems have been found? |
| 16:38.33 | cimbakahn | Ok. One more question. I am used to installers that only ask for 1 password. The pictures here shows debian requires 2. Can i leave the 1st one blank and just fill out the 2nd one? And would there be any problems arising down the road as a result? https://imgur.com/a/3NdPR |
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| 16:38.52 | c-c | cimbakahn: no |
| 16:39.22 | zykotick9 | c-c: i don't want to debate this... stay in #d long enough and you can see unetbootin problems for yourself... |
| 16:40.18 | c-c | zykotick9: how many more years? :D |
| 16:40.36 | zykotick9 | c-c: <sidenote> i did have 1 motherboard that would only boot with unetbootin, and all debian media post-squeeze failed! but that was an exception ;) |
| 16:40.55 | cimbakahn | If unetbootin is the program that i think it is, it is archaic. Only has old distros on it. |
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| 16:41.24 | zykotick9 | cimbakahn: it's been removed from debian for a reason... c-c |
| 16:41.51 | c-c | wow, indeed |
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| 16:42.13 | cimbakahn | What is c-c? Is it a person or chat lingo? |
| 16:42.30 | NDeb | c-c: is a user |
| 16:42.43 | NDeb | Can you see the usernames? |
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| 16:43.34 | cimbakahn | So a person, correct? I was just wondering because it confused me when you put c-c on the end of that sentence. |
| 16:44.13 | c-c | what do you use to make usb installs? |
| 16:44.18 | c-c | dd? |
| 16:44.26 | NDeb | c-c: You can |
| 16:44.31 | zykotick9 | c-c: cat/cp/dd <- in that order for me... |
| 16:44.33 | c-c | that takes 95% of humans out of the picture |
| 16:44.43 | cimbakahn | Me? I use Mintstick. Works great! |
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| 16:45.12 | menace | c-c, centrx: well, i know that i cannot install every package. and with installing any package i surely can totally brick the installation. But the pkg-installation should not be not able to work because of broken package dependencies of the package i want to install, and it does not matter which package that is. every package has to has functional dependencies. |
| 16:45.16 | menace | is this right? |
| 16:45.24 | zykotick9 | c-c: actually, i think cp is the easiest... just don't put the partition number on, and cp it to the device itselt. (cp foo.iso /dev/sdb) as an example. |
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| 16:45.44 | c-c | zykotick9: sure |
| 16:45.50 | c-c | now what about 95% of humanity? |
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| 16:46.00 | c-c | thats what unetbootin had going for it |
| 16:46.08 | c-c | gui that anyone can use |
| 16:46.14 | towo` | and? |
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| 16:46.32 | quantic | Aaaaand it's garbage. Congrats. It's garbage that anyone can use. |
| 16:46.44 | towo` | a gui which breaks 95% of isohybrid images? |
| 16:46.51 | c-c | ok, so I see |
| 16:47.09 | c-c | A new developement of hybrid images made unetbootin bug out |
| 16:47.15 | centrx | menace, Yes, every package that comes from Debian |
| 16:47.20 | centrx | Debian stable |
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| 16:47.40 | zykotick9 | c-c: OH i did forget one step! you should technically run "sync" after that copy! |
| 16:47.48 | DonaldDuck | Well let's be honnest... I love Debian because it's for sysAdmin and purist. If they want a easy install for 95% of humans they just go for Ubuntu. |
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| 16:48.29 | c-c | towo` quantic unetbootin may have been garbage |
| 16:48.55 | c-c | towo` quantic but debian needs people |
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| 16:49.16 | c-c | alternative: ubuntufied corporate open source |
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| 16:49.53 | quantic | c-c: Do you have a Debian-related support question? |
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| 16:51.05 | c-c | quantic: yes, mr. robot, I asked it exactly 7 minutes ago |
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| 16:51.34 | quantic | Oh, sorry, it must have gotten buried under unrelated trivium. |
| 16:51.55 | c-c | And as you may or may not be able to tell, I'm looking for something like imagewriter or unetbootin, so I can tell all the normal humans how to install their new debian |
| 16:52.48 | quantic | c-c: Enjoy your search for an answer. |
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| 16:53.30 | c-c | looks like brasero or k3b |
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| 16:53.57 | DonaldDuck | c-c. dd if one of the first command on Unix since at least 35 years. Knowing the basic won't hurt the humans, it's like learning ls or cd |
| 16:54.18 | c-c | DonaldDuck: yes, I remember it from about 27 years ago |
| 16:54.32 | c-c | its cool to be an user |
| 16:54.36 | c-c | but most people are not |
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| 16:54.45 | DonaldDuck | Debian are not for "regular" user. |
| 16:54.52 | DonaldDuck | And that's what I like about it. |
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| 16:55.10 | c-c | I get people to install debian all the time |
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| 16:55.32 | c-c | and I believe that was Ian's idea all along |
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| 16:55.48 | quantic | c-c: Simple Google queries will get you the information you seek. dd is the recommended method to write an ISO to a USB stick from Linux. |
| 16:56.10 | c-c | yes, I already answered my question |
| 16:56.12 | DonaldDuck | Ouff not sure. I've use Debian Version 1 when it came out. Was using Slackware before. It never been install friendly lol |
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| 16:57.46 | c-c | DonaldDuck: well its somewhat usable |
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| 16:58.34 | jhutchins | DonaldDuck: I think your opinion of the install process may be a bit out of date. It's been pretty user friendly for a while now. |
| 16:58.38 | c-c | realizes that the install is probably changed too |
| 16:59.47 | DonaldDuck | jhutchins, it is a lot better then it was for sure. I do miss the old ncurse menu for sure. But Still need some work. Specially partitionning, where /var when automatic don't allow enough. And other small issues like that. But in overall it definitly better. |
| 17:00.02 | DonaldDuck | But still need a Debian guy around for those that doesn't know about it and learning. |
| 17:00.03 | jhutchins | quantic: I did have one release of Debian (wheezy?) that I couldn't make a bootable USB with anything BUT unetbootin (on linux). |
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| 17:01.02 | jusri | hello |
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| 17:01.36 | jusri | hi guys |
| 17:02.05 | jusri | anyone know to install debian on small laptop with 1ghz |
| 17:02.38 | jusri | after i install debian, its slow and always lag |
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| 17:02.43 | RoyK | just use an usb thing - so long it's intel-compatible, anything should work |
| 17:02.48 | c-c | jusri: which desktop? |
| 17:02.50 | RoyK | jus: 1GHz isn't a lot |
| 17:02.52 | r6ku | jusri: how much ram do you have? |
| 17:02.55 | jusri | small laptop |
| 17:02.59 | jusri | 1 gb ram |
| 17:03.05 | jusri | 11 inch laptop |
| 17:03.10 | c-c | Gnome? KDE? |
| 17:03.19 | jusri | mate |
| 17:03.29 | c-c | mate has LXDE, right? |
| 17:03.36 | jusri | yup |
| 17:03.36 | jhutchins | !mate |
| 17:03.36 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8 "Jessie" (and also in wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>. https://wiki.debian.org/Mate http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on chat.freenode.net. |
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| 17:04.07 | jusri | my laptop are very slow |
| 17:04.13 | c-c | oh, gnome 2 - thats going to be full of all kinds of services and auxiliarities, and that may slow your desktop down |
| 17:04.17 | jusri | after installing debian mate |
| 17:04.29 | c-c | thats why I made jesbang |
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| 17:04.45 | DonaldDuck | Jusri use a lighter environment. Lxde is the lighter. Run on Raspberries and other small CPU. |
| 17:04.50 | c-c | jusri: you could also try bunsenlabs - very light |
| 17:04.54 | jusri | anyone know the lighter |
| 17:05.08 | r6ku | +1 for lxde, definitely the lightest DE |
| 17:05.16 | DonaldDuck | Terminal is quite light and fast ;) |
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| 17:05.22 | c-c | very light: make basic debian install, then run jesbang for openbox DE |
| 17:05.24 | jusri | apt-get install lxde ? |
| 17:05.35 | c-c | LXDE is nice (openbox) |
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| 17:06.02 | DonaldDuck | blackbox is nice too, but different feel. |
| 17:06.19 | blind | fluxbox <3 |
| 17:06.20 | jusri | but i have no problem for installing ubuntu.. but debian make my laptop very slow |
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| 17:06.39 | teerl | +1 for fluxbox |
| 17:06.41 | jusri | blackbox is for hacking right ? |
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| 17:06.52 | jusri | like kali |
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| 17:06.58 | blind | blackbox is just a window manager |
| 17:07.15 | jusri | ohh |
| 17:07.31 | DonaldDuck | jusri, is include a menu and really "light" stuff. I work on embedded computer. So I use the lighter when need CPU at times. |
| 17:07.54 | free_speech | aren't kubuntu, lubuntu or xubuntu exactly the same as installing debian with kde, lxde, xfce ? |
| 17:08.12 | r6ku | not at all |
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| 17:08.25 | jusri | so how to install blackbox |
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| 17:08.47 | DonaldDuck | jusri, LXDE is more user friendly try that one. If you still have perf issue move to blackbox. |
| 17:08.50 | anigma | does the kernel in debian jessie by default support quotas? |
| 17:08.55 | teerl | jusri: apt-get |
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| 17:09.13 | jusri | ok already.. apt-get install blackbox |
| 17:09.25 | c-c | Yes, best use LXDE, flux/blackbox need some work to have the minimal menus etc |
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| 17:09.56 | jusri | oh no.. forgot im currently using ubuntu mate |
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| 17:10.11 | teerl | c-c: Why need menus when you have a virtual term? |
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| 17:11.23 | jusri | how old are u guys ? |
| 17:11.47 | c-c | teerl: humans like jusri need menus :) |
| 17:12.14 | c-c | tries to see where teerl ends and computer begins |
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| 17:12.28 | jusri | like |
| 17:12.30 | c-c | jusri: I am very, very old, but thats kind of off-topic here |
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| 17:13.11 | jusri | just wanna know if anyone just like my old |
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| 17:13.22 | s5fs | jusri: i'm 36, i think |
| 17:13.25 | teerl | c-c: "humans" can and do learn how to use compters without guis |
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| 17:14.14 | jusri | emm i bet u wrong teerl |
| 17:14.24 | jusri | nowaday its hard |
| 17:14.24 | Brun0L3z | I just did a clean install of debian when I type startx I get a white screen with OH no something has gone wrong checking my /var/log/Xorg.1.log I see that aiglx has a problem. The error is aiglx error : dlopen of / usr / lib / i386-linux-gnu / dri / i965_dri.so failed with _glapi _ tls_Dispatch please I need help as I have search Google and other forums for 17 days now |
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| 17:14.43 | c-c | teerl: nonsense to argue this |
| 17:14.46 | jusri | bruno |
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| 17:14.48 | teerl | jusri: you just have to be willing to lear. |
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| 17:15.02 | jusri | what kind of debian did u just intalled? |
| 17:15.11 | Twirl | Hello, I installed jvisualvm and i'm getting "no jdkhome found", am i missing something? |
| 17:15.26 | jusri | yes i am teerl but i already 26 |
| 17:15.27 | c-c | Twirl: not in path? |
| 17:15.29 | teerl | jusri: if you're on such an old system you really don't have a choice if you want responsiveness |
| 17:15.30 | jusri | im feeling old |
| 17:15.40 | Brun0L3z | jusri: kali rolling is the debian variant installed |
| 17:15.46 | Twirl | c-c: idk man, idk what to do |
| 17:15.47 | jusri | 26 is old enough to learn something |
| 17:15.49 | markybob | !kali |
| 17:15.49 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 17:16.18 | somiaj | Twirl: what is jvisualvm? Do you have openjdk installed on the system? |
| 17:16.37 | c-c | Brun0L3z: looks like a problem with your intel gl |
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| 17:17.00 | Twirl | somiaj: yea i have many versions of it |
| 17:17.08 | Twirl | maybe it can't decide or something? |
| 17:17.19 | jusri | at the same slow hardware ? |
| 17:17.21 | Twirl | anyways, it should pick the one being used by the system |
| 17:17.29 | jusri | teerl |
| 17:17.49 | c-c | Twirl: see the instructions from your JDK maker, it needs to be in environments $PATH |
| 17:18.11 | jusri | my debian dont have wireless firmware |
| 17:18.18 | c-c | Twirl: you can try $ echo $PATH |
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| 17:18.25 | jusri | !echo |
| 17:18.25 | dpkg | ECHO...ECHo...ECho...Echo...echo...cho...ho...o....... |
| 17:18.41 | jusri | !channel |
| 17:18.54 | somiaj | Twirl: it could also need some $JAVA_HOME variable set to let it know where java lives. |
| 17:18.57 | Twirl | echo $JAVA_HOME prints an empty line, how convenient |
| 17:19.15 | somiaj | Twirl: I'm unsure, but I also can't find teh software you meantion in debian, so you may need to read up on their docs to see what the error could be. |
| 17:19.22 | jusri | anyone here already know about coding ? |
| 17:19.32 | s5fs | jusri: i already know about coding |
| 17:19.35 | jusri | programming language? |
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| 17:19.48 | s5fs | several |
| 17:19.52 | jusri | how long to learn it? |
| 17:20.02 | s5fs | i'm still learning |
| 17:20.03 | somiaj | Twirl: I could be wrong on the name of the variable, but I would expect it to be empty. |
| 17:20.07 | piedcipher | depends on what you want to learn |
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| 17:20.24 | s5fs | i've been writing software professionally for 16 years and am still learning |
| 17:20.25 | piedcipher | i mean you can't just learn all of a language in a finite amount of time |
| 17:20.28 | teerl | jusri: learncodethehardway.org has some good intros |
| 17:20.28 | jusri | i wanna learn programming but i feel old already |
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| 17:20.32 | c-c | languages: finite, problems: infinite |
| 17:20.32 | piedcipher | ^^exactly |
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| 17:20.51 | s5fs | jusri: older means you have more experience to draw from, its an advantage, not a disadvantage. |
| 17:21.09 | s5fs | but if you choose to be an old stick-in-the-mud, at least recognize that it's a choice |
| 17:21.10 | centrx | Forever young, always ancient |
| 17:21.22 | jusri | did u guys think 26 yo can start programming |
| 17:21.34 | piedcipher | Anyone can start programming |
| 17:21.36 | jusri | while working |
| 17:21.48 | jusri | only few hour available daily |
| 17:21.49 | piedcipher | it just depends on how determined you are |
| 17:21.53 | jusri | :( |
| 17:22.00 | piedcipher | a few hours per day should be fine |
| 17:22.00 | piedcipher | again |
| 17:22.08 | jusri | without no teacher |
| 17:22.11 | piedcipher | its all about how much you want to learn and how determined you are |
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| 17:22.17 | somiaj | I am failing to see a debian support question here. Please try to keep on topic. |
| 17:22.27 | jusri | somiaj |
| 17:22.39 | jusri | may we help u |
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| 17:22.54 | jusri | !somiaj |
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| 17:23.25 | somiaj | jusri: yes, by staying on topic. |
| 17:23.28 | jusri | !backtrack |
| 17:23.28 | dpkg | BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. Superseded by <kali linux>. |
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| 17:24.09 | jusri | !debian |
| 17:24.10 | dpkg | debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 17:24.12 | markybob | jusri: you might want to realize that he's an op |
| 17:24.21 | PoorUser | sorry lost connection: man says: /etc/profile is the systemwide file to be modified, i hope it because googling it there are 10'000 post everyong telling a different version :D |
| 17:24.30 | somiaj | jusri: also don't spam the bot, /msg dpkg factoid |
| 17:24.40 | jusri | okay |
| 17:24.45 | jusri | im learning |
| 17:24.56 | jusri | the code |
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| 17:25.28 | jusri | i think i should take some rest |
| 17:25.34 | jusri | downloading debian |
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| 17:25.52 | jusri | which one the best. debian or ubuntu ? |
| 17:25.55 | somiaj | PoorUser: What are you looking to set. You may want to man bash (provided that is the shell you are using). Only login shells read the profile by default. |
| 17:26.04 | s5fs | jusri: debian of course lol |
| 17:26.12 | s5fs | but it really doesn't matter, both are fine |
| 17:26.13 | markybob | jusri: we obviously think debian is. that's why we're here and use it |
| 17:26.19 | somiaj | jusri: best is subjective. Choose the one you want to use. Realize we have probably chosend debian. And you will not get support on ubuntu here. |
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| 17:26.41 | jusri | but im using ubuntu right now |
| 17:26.50 | centrx | Debian is the best |
| 17:26.58 | markybob | jusri: then you're offtopic. again. |
| 17:26.59 | jusri | as my last debian last install are slow |
| 17:26.59 | PoorUser | trying to set HYSTSIZE and HYSTFILESIZE to a negative value, to extend history to infinite, it's useful |
| 17:27.23 | PoorUser | i would like it aviable by default to all users |
| 17:27.36 | jusri | hey guys.. actually what means by 'LEARN LINUX' ? |
| 17:27.57 | jusri | do we need to learn all the linux command |
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| 17:28.19 | c-c | jusri: perhaps best to learn the anatomy of a GNU/linux OS |
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| 17:28.34 | jusri | anatomy ? |
| 17:28.36 | c-c | jusri: kernel, filesystem, how processes, sockets work |
| 17:28.56 | c-c | jusri: then learn some commands, then a programming language |
| 17:28.56 | markybob | jusri: google will help you. |
| 17:29.02 | jusri | while i must learn english also |
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| 17:29.20 | c-c | jusri: once you master commanding processes and sockets with your language, you are done |
| 17:29.23 | jusri | english not my daily language |
| 17:29.33 | jusri | cc |
| 17:29.49 | jusri | how long u think will take time to learn that anatomy |
| 17:29.55 | PoorUser | years |
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| 17:30.00 | jusri | oh no |
| 17:30.02 | c-c | jusri: took me couple of years |
| 17:30.11 | PoorUser | some basics stuff, few minutes |
| 17:30.15 | c-c | jusri: but that was before stackoverflow and youtube tutorial videos |
| 17:30.24 | jusri | do u guys a student ? |
| 17:30.24 | ptz0 | lol sof |
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| 17:30.43 | jusri | u guys an it student ? |
| 17:30.47 | somiaj | jusri: you are drifting off topic again. If you can't keep your noise down and stay on topic. I will help out |
| 17:30.49 | markybob | jusri: you're not asking debian support questions. move on |
| 17:30.58 | jusri | oh ok |
| 17:31.00 | s5fs | Question: is there a #debian-offtopic or similar community channel that jusri could get more benefit from? |
| 17:31.05 | somiaj | jusri: There are other channels for this type of chat. |
| 17:31.11 | jusri | what about debian standard |
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| 17:31.12 | s5fs | somiaj: please suggest |
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| 17:31.37 | c-c | ok |
| 17:31.43 | c-c | ##linux is kind of fun |
| 17:31.46 | jusri | few days ago i installed debian standard and all i see was text |
| 17:31.47 | somiaj | s5fs: I don't know enough, #debian-offtopic, though maybe ##linux for general questions about linux and comparing distros, unsure of a generic programing channel though. |
| 17:31.59 | c-c | jusri: you should join ##linux, and ask there about learning linux |
| 17:32.21 | jusri | hold on |
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| 17:32.43 | c-c | jusri: do you need help with your debian install, or help with debian problem? ask here |
| 17:32.46 | centrx | !ot |
| 17:32.47 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 17:32.50 | jusri | i wann download debian iso. what u guys think i should, kde? gnome? xfce? or ?? |
| 17:33.00 | centrx | jusri, XFCE or LXDE |
| 17:33.08 | c-c | jusri: I use openbox. I recommed LXDE. |
| 17:33.16 | jusri | lxde ? |
| 17:33.19 | jusri | r u sure |
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| 17:33.38 | c-c | yes, it is light, low on bugs |
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| 17:34.04 | jusri | hhmm |
| 17:34.06 | somiaj | jusri: did you mention something about needing non-free firmware? |
| 17:34.11 | somiaj | jusri: do you have a good internet connenction? |
| 17:34.18 | jusri | yea |
| 17:34.26 | jusri | missing wireless firmware |
| 17:34.33 | somiaj | !tell jusri about firmware images |
| 17:34.36 | markybob | jusri: so use the non-free firmware installer cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 17:34.43 | PoorUser | jusri: maybe is better ubuntu for you, debian, in my opinion, is better for servers / skeleton for other distro. Specially if you want to "learn" |
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| 17:35.10 | somiaj | jusri: the bot should have sent you a link about a non-free firmware installer. If you use that you can during the install select what ever desktop you want. Yous hould see options for gnome, kde, xfce, mate, cinimon and lxde |
| 17:35.38 | jusri | hold on itry |
| 17:36.08 | jusri | unofficial ? |
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| 17:36.20 | somiaj | PoorUser, jusri: Debian can be jsut fine of a desktop OS. But it may not have the defaults set up as nice as some of the derivatives (in which the focus is a better desktop exerpeicne). i.e. debian usually needs a bit more configuring of the desktop than some other distros. |
| 17:36.30 | markybob | jusri: yes. debian installer doesn't offically have firmware. you have to use that one |
| 17:37.02 | somiaj | jusri: it is called unoffical because debian puts the non-free firmware (due to not being part of the DSFG) outside of debian. Debian provides it to use and it works just fine. Debian just classifies anything that is not part of the DSFG as extra. |
| 17:37.04 | mikedanese | 4eSXCDe3 |
| 17:37.19 | s5fs | mikedanese: uh |
| 17:37.37 | mikedanese | sorry |
| 17:37.39 | mikedanese | :( |
| 17:37.43 | jusri | omg .. u guys make me headache |
| 17:37.43 | s5fs | yeah may wanna change that one |
| 17:38.00 | mikedanese | yup |
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| 17:38.06 | mikedanese | :0 |
| 17:38.15 | s5fs | mikedanese: lol happens to all of us |
| 17:38.18 | somiaj | jusri: if you are courious go read about the social contract and the DSFG at debian.org |
| 17:38.21 | PoorUser | somiaj: in my little experience, try to run a desktop system with debian is painful, tons of problems specially with drivers. While is my "default" choice for embedded / servers(screenless) |
| 17:38.36 | jusri | actually i just wann know which suitable for my low spec laptop |
| 17:38.49 | s5fs | xfce |
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| 17:39.06 | somiaj | PoorUser: I've been a desktop user and gamer on debian for 15 or so years. It works just fine, but usually needs a bit more configuring than other distros. |
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| 17:39.12 | jusri | lxde or xfce ?? |
| 17:39.15 | somiaj | jusri: xfce or lxde are both light weight desktops |
| 17:39.18 | mikedanese | 4eSXCDe3 |
| 17:39.22 | mikedanese | oh god |
| 17:39.23 | s5fs | but again, it doesn't matter. just install something, then if you don't like it, install something else |
| 17:39.26 | somiaj | lxde is a bit lighter weight, xfce will look a little more modern and probabaly work just fine. |
| 17:39.32 | s5fs | LOL |
| 17:39.36 | somiaj | jusri: in debian you can install both and decide what you like. |
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| 17:40.13 | jusri | hmmm what about the hardware driver ? |
| 17:40.20 | s5fs | don't worry about it |
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| 17:40.35 | PoorUser | hope everything goes right |
| 17:40.38 | jusri | no.. i cant connect to my wifi card |
| 17:40.40 | c-c | somiaj PoorUser jusri please look at jesbang. Opinion welcome. |
| 17:40.41 | s5fs | do the install, if something breaks, come back and ask good questions |
| 17:40.51 | jusri | jesbang ? |
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| 17:41.00 | jusri | what is it ? |
| 17:41.14 | c-c | it installs simple desktop on debian base install (Jessie only) |
| 17:41.31 | jusri | debian jesbang ? |
| 17:42.20 | somiaj | or just use the unoffical installer and choose the desktop you want during the install. It does work just fine. |
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| 17:43.27 | jusri | r u sure its okay to install unoficial ? |
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| 17:44.01 | somiaj | jusri: the link we gave you is provided by debian. |
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| 17:44.23 | jusri | hhmm okay |
| 17:44.24 | somiaj | jusri: the unoffical is just what debian calls it because the offical installer only has packages from 'main' which doesn't include non-free firwmare. [it isn't third-party] |
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| 17:44.51 | jusri | oh i see |
| 17:45.12 | jusri | thats why i dont have driver for hardware right |
| 17:45.56 | Guest6516 | hi - what is the best way to copy a debian install cd to usb? also debian install usb to a different usb? |
| 17:46.19 | PoorUser | yep, you can put drivers directly into the folder of your pendrive, or use the iso they gave you, which includes those drivers |
| 17:46.24 | jhutchins | Guest6516: Within linux dd is pretty good. |
| 17:46.30 | jusri | so which one i should download ? current-live or live-non-free |
| 17:46.36 | somiaj | Guest6516: cp debian.iso /dev/sdX where /dev/sdX is the device of your usbdrive |
| 17:46.41 | Guest6516 | hmm |
| 17:46.59 | somiaj | Guest6516: you can just copy it to the actual device (not the partition) this will destory all data on the device. If from windows I can give you software to use too. |
| 17:47.03 | PoorUser | Guest6516: dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/xxx bs=4M |
| 17:47.03 | Guest6516 | ahh |
| 17:47.11 | jusri | normally i use dd command |
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| 17:47.31 | somiaj | jusri: why are you trying to downlaod a live image? Didn't we point you at an installer image. But if you want to use a live image, you will probabaly want the non-free firwmare as well. |
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| 17:47.59 | Guest6516 | need 8.2 - no one torrenting now - and linuxmint got hack |
| 17:48.04 | somiaj | the debian install guide suggest using cp (doesn't make much of a different, though cp's defaults may be a bit faster than dd's) |
| 17:48.07 | jusri | what is the different |
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| 17:48.38 | Guest6516 | thats awsome - thank u all!!! - gotta love irc |
| 17:48.46 | somiaj | jusri: the installers install debian. A live image alows you to run debian right off the cd/usb to test it out. If your goal is to install I would use an installer not the live image |
| 17:49.42 | jusri | but i dont know which one is the installer |
| 17:49.50 | jusri | try to visit the link |
| 17:50.46 | markybob | jusri: you should probably use this one http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 17:50.50 | somiaj | jusri: you were given a link by the bot and markybob to the file to download. |
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| 17:51.00 | PoorUser | Guest6516: if you use dd method, fdisk -l tells you where is the pendrive usb (/dev/sdb for example), after the command dd use sync, which works as "safely eject" and ensures buffer to be written |
| 17:51.22 | jusri | net installer ? |
| 17:51.25 | markybob | PoorUser: so? sync ensures buffer |
| 17:51.34 | markybob | jusri: yes |
| 17:51.39 | jusri | but i dont have the internet connection |
| 17:51.51 | markybob | jusri: so why do you care about wifi firmware? |
| 17:52.10 | jusri | because i cant use net installer |
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| 17:52.29 | markybob | jusri: that firmware installer will give you internet in the installer |
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| 17:52.43 | markybob | i need a drink |
| 17:52.53 | jusri | doesnt it require an internet |
| 17:53.05 | PoorUser | markybob: maybe i've written wrong, but dd can tell you "i've finished", while the writing is still going on. with sync command you are totally safe |
| 17:53.56 | somiaj | jusri: yes you need to have internet connenction during the install. Will you not have internet connenction? Will you be installing on a different internet than the one you use to download the installer? |
| 17:54.31 | jusri | hhmmm' |
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| 17:55.51 | jusri | currently im using ubuntu mate because my last install was debian mate but it has no wifi card firmaware.. that what i care about |
| 17:56.28 | somiaj | jusri: The installer we pointed you to includes the non-free firmware for wifi cards |
| 17:57.04 | jusri | are u sure ? so i can connect to wifi during installation ? |
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| 17:57.56 | PoorUser | yes |
| 17:58.06 | jusri | okay i'll try later |
| 17:58.22 | jusri | so which should i get.. gnoome or kde or ?? |
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| 17:58.30 | Iridos | lxde? |
| 17:58.31 | jusri | i fo like kde |
| 17:58.38 | TomTomTo1 | it makes no difference and is your choice. |
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| 17:59.20 | jusri | i think i should get kde |
| 17:59.32 | TomTomTo1 | good choice. |
| 17:59.44 | somiaj | jusri: the netinstall we gave you will allow you to pick which desktop you want during the install. Pick the one you want to try. If you don't like it you can alawys try another one. |
| 18:00.14 | jusri | so i need to download all of them ? the desktop environment ?? |
| 18:00.30 | jusri | each half Gb ? |
| 18:00.31 | jusri | omg |
| 18:00.36 | TomTomTo1 | no, you pick what you want on install... |
| 18:00.36 | somiaj | the installer will ask you which one you want and will only install the one you want |
| 18:00.43 | somiaj | the install downloads the packages you want during the install |
| 18:00.52 | jusri | hhmm |
| 18:00.54 | markybob | jusri: just use the firmware netinst iso i linked you to |
| 18:01.05 | markybob | jusri: stop thinking. just do |
| 18:01.11 | jusri | ok |
| 18:01.14 | jusri | hold on |
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| 18:01.33 | jusri | afterwards... do debian has this hexchat also ? |
| 18:01.34 | sepi | Is it possible to configure a specific USB device to only use usb1.0 when plugged in? I currently have to unload the ehci-hcd driver or echo 3 > /sys/bus/usb/devices/usbX/../companion. |
| 18:01.42 | markybob | jusri: yes |
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| 18:01.58 | jusri | ok |
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| 18:02.13 | jusri | 2 a.m already |
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| 18:02.49 | c-c | jusri: KDE may be too heavy for your netbook |
| 18:02.51 | dontknow | can i find the debian 8.2 image checksums? |
| 18:02.52 | c-c | be warned |
| 18:02.56 | jusri | official or unofficial ? |
| 18:03.08 | markybob | jusri: unofficial! the one i linked you to! |
| 18:03.09 | jusri | so ? |
| 18:03.13 | jusri | lxde |
| 18:03.14 | markybob | jesus |
| 18:03.16 | dontknow | i worn tinfoil hat after linuxmint incident |
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| 18:03.24 | jusri | alright alright i got it |
| 18:03.41 | c-c | jusri: you should go with bunsenlabs |
| 18:03.43 | jusri | linux mint about the hacker ? |
| 18:04.01 | jusri | backdooring updates |
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| 18:04.06 | c-c | bunsenlabs is debian with openbox, nice community that will help you |
| 18:04.07 | jusri | millions user |
| 18:04.07 | markybob | time to /ignore |
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| 18:04.27 | jusri | wait |
| 18:04.38 | jusri | i try lxde first |
| 18:04.59 | TomTomTo1 | jusri, only use this channel for support questions please. |
| 18:05.17 | c-c | jusri yeah, best try it first, but you may have to restart for all the background processes to stop |
| 18:05.57 | jusri | boot using usb ? |
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| 18:06.24 | c-c | sure, why not |
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| 18:07.24 | jusri | omg... |
| 18:07.31 | jusri | how to choose the file |
| 18:07.41 | jusri | the link doesnt contain netinst |
| 18:07.55 | markybob | jusri: i linked you straight to it |
| 18:08.02 | markybob | jusri: you should probably use this one http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:08.25 | markybob | jusri: you have to at least pretend to be trying |
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| 18:09.11 | jusri | okay.. got it |
| 18:09.20 | c-c | markybob: did you also link the instructions? like https://www.bunsenlabs.org/installation.html |
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| 18:10.21 | markybob | c-c: wtf are you talking about? |
| 18:10.24 | markybob | c-c: that has nothing to do with this |
| 18:11.11 | jusri | 40 kb/s |
| 18:11.20 | dontknow | can i find the debian 8.2 image checksums? |
| 18:11.25 | c-c | markybob: ie. how to install the image |
| 18:11.42 | markybob | c-c: a) that's not debian. b) he's already been told how to copy it |
| 18:11.44 | TomTomTo1 | dontknow, check the directory you downloaded the image from. |
| 18:12.05 | c-c | markybob: a) that is debian b) good to know |
| 18:12.07 | dontknow | TomTomTo1, i can't find that directory |
| 18:12.24 | jusri | 15kb/s |
| 18:13.05 | dontknow | TomTomTo1, i can't enter this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/ |
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| 18:13.50 | jusri | its too slow to downloading |
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| 18:14.23 | TomTomTo1 | dontknow, why do you even want 8.2? |
| 18:14.28 | markybob | jusri: what do you want us to do about your download speed? |
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| 18:15.20 | c-c | dontknow: I think you should be able to just google the filename with "md5" and see google cache |
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| 18:15.36 | c-c | who knows, maybe even the cache is updated |
| 18:15.44 | TomTomTo1 | wat |
| 18:15.49 | dontknow | TomTomTo1, i don't want to download 8.2. i installed 8.2 and i want to check it now |
| 18:15.56 | jusri | hey guys did u send me for 64bit architecture |
| 18:16.08 | linuxthefish | does samba server on Debian have any useful logging options? when trying to connect from a client it always says the password is wrong, or "the file cannot be accessed by the system" |
| 18:16.09 | jusri | any 32 bit ? |
| 18:16.20 | dontknow | c-c, i odn't use google |
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| 18:16.44 | at0m | pffff |
| 18:16.45 | jusri | my machine are 64 bit but amd 1ghz max 1.33ghz |
| 18:16.48 | markybob | jusri: it's 64 by default. you can later add 32 since debian has multiarch support |
| 18:17.01 | jusri | hmm ok |
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| 18:17.25 | c-c | dontknow: well, looks like googles cache might be the only place you will find the checksum now |
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| 18:17.40 | c-c | dontknow: perhaps some slow debian mirror |
| 18:17.51 | c-c | but then, would you know if it was the same file... |
| 18:17.54 | dontknow | :( |
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| 18:18.04 | dontknow | we are doomed |
| 18:18.55 | dontknow | alarma, alert 6_6 |
| 18:18.56 | s5fs | dontknow: i'd pull down 8.3 |
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| 18:19.07 | s5fs | unless you have a compelling reason for 8.2, of course |
| 18:19.10 | dontknow | s5fs, but i installed from 8.2 |
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| 18:19.33 | s5fs | dontknow: wait, so you downloaded *and* installed 8.2 and now you want to verify the checksum? |
| 18:20.04 | jusri | omg dontknow |
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| 18:20.18 | dontknow | s5fs, yes. i had downloaded 8.2 and install it. but i only checked md5sum. i want to check signature now |
| 18:20.33 | dontknow | after linuxmint incident |
| 18:20.40 | dontknow | it scared me |
| 18:20.40 | s5fs | dontknow: md5sum checking is the same thing |
| 18:20.44 | s5fs | afaik anyways |
| 18:20.54 | dontknow | no. it just checks the integrity |
| 18:20.59 | s5fs | yes |
| 18:21.03 | towo` | after installing, is a bit late to check anything |
| 18:21.12 | jusri | donwknow: its okay for debian |
| 18:21.18 | s5fs | well its not too late, really, but it's a bit post-paranoia |
| 18:21.53 | s5fs | dontknow: personally if you downloaded the iso, run md5sum against it and compared it against the source of the iso, and all was fine? its probably fine. |
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| 18:22.40 | dontknow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:23.05 | PoorUser | if the md5sum matches the right version, you are safe |
| 18:23.17 | jusri | well dontknow |
| 18:23.22 | c-c | so, theres no man-in-the-middle or worms, if someone can tamper via debian servers, nothing you can do |
| 18:23.23 | s5fs | PoorUser: right but if the md5sum was also falsified then.. lol |
| 18:23.33 | dontknow | no i am not! hackers may change the md5 txt |
| 18:23.35 | rastapopoulis | I'm getting errors when doing apt-get update, here's the output it says about missing public keys http://paste.debian.net/402814/ |
| 18:23.40 | s5fs | dontknow: do you have the MD5SSUMS.sign file? |
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| 18:23.55 | dontknow | s5fs, thats what i am looking for |
| 18:23.56 | c-c | I'd be more concerned with open ports or if firewall responds |
| 18:24.22 | markybob | rastapopoulis: you're not using debian. go to #ubuntu |
| 18:24.32 | PoorUser | well obviously you need to check the right md5 sum, not the falsified one :), you have the doubt the file is falsified, you need a third part confirmation |
| 18:24.36 | c-c | also, if you have login services open |
| 18:24.39 | jusri | dontknow.. few years ago i heard about "gitclone" .. i think you should read that considering your status right now.. maybe u can check your md5 back again |
| 18:24.57 | c-c | I recommend disable all login, X, SSH |
| 18:25.16 | rastapopoulis | markybob, I am using Debian jessie :) |
| 18:25.22 | s5fs | dontknow: check this, http://debian.xfree.com.ar/debian-cd/8.2.0/ |
| 18:25.22 | markybob | rastapopoulis: no you're not |
| 18:25.42 | s5fs | dontknow: keep checking mirrors until you find one that has what you need :D |
| 18:25.50 | rastapopoulis | maybe my sources are messed up |
| 18:25.56 | TomTomTo1 | rastapopoulis, you are using just about every ubuntu version there is. listen to markybob :P |
| 18:25.58 | markybob | rastapopoulis: yeah no kidding |
| 18:26.06 | dontknow | s5fs, oh thanks a lot you are the man |
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| 18:26.20 | markybob | !dontbreakdebian |
| 18:26.20 | dpkg | dont break debian is probably https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 18:26.23 | c-c | kxstudio has both debian and ubuntu compatible repos rastapopoulis markybob |
| 18:26.26 | markybob | !frankendebian |
| 18:26.26 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 18:26.32 | markybob | rastapopoulis: read those ^ |
| 18:26.33 | s5fs | dontknow: okay so check the signature and let us know if you've been pwned lol |
| 18:26.39 | s5fs | or rather, have pwned yourself |
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| 18:26.52 | c-c | markybob: are you certain those are mixed? |
| 18:27.03 | markybob | c-c: i can read |
| 18:27.19 | s5fs | LOL |
| 18:27.28 | moonpunter | wipe's tux's tears away |
| 18:27.34 | c-c | rastapopoulis: so, did you install a debian and add kxstudio |
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| 18:27.50 | c-c | rastapopoulis: or did you install ubuntu (kxstudio distro?) |
| 18:27.51 | TomTomTo1 | c-c, what are you on about? |
| 18:28.02 | TomTomTo1 | c-c, he said he installed jessie. |
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| 18:28.42 | TomTomTo1 | c-c, he messed his sources up. |
| 18:29.08 | rastapopoulis | yes coz i needed to install some plugis for ardour |
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| 18:29.54 | at0m | rastapopoulis: then ask in #kxstudio, falktx, maintainer of the repo's is usually most helpful. |
| 18:30.11 | rastapopoulis | ok |
| 18:30.19 | rastapopoulis | thanks at0m |
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| 18:30.34 | dontknow | s5fs, it is valid :D |
| 18:30.54 | jusri | hhmm |
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| 18:31.31 | jusri | hello |
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| 18:32.37 | TomTomTo1 | c-c, ah, nvm. i'm a bit slow today :P |
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| 18:33.59 | c-c | npnp one more problem solved! |
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| 18:34.15 | c-c | good work |
| 18:34.33 | s5fs | dontknow: YES! |
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| 18:34.50 | s5fs | jusri: weren't you going to get some sleep? |
| 18:35.00 | s5fs | like.. an hour ago? |
| 18:35.05 | s5fs | join #node.js |
| 18:35.07 | s5fs | lol |
| 18:35.11 | lowin | Hello, I can't seem to run gui programs with sudo.. they all complain about not being able to connect to X.. "kate: cannot connect to X server :0" how to fix this? |
| 18:35.18 | dontknow | s5fs, but what if the key is compromised :p |
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| 18:35.49 | s5fs | dontknow: the key is probably fine, but yeah, you could theoretically takeover the computer used by the signer and then sign whatever you want |
| 18:36.14 | s5fs | dontknow: at the end of the day we have to trust someone, and we have to have a limit to how far we extend our trust, in either direction :) |
| 18:36.47 | s5fs | same goes with hardware. do i know my OS is secure but what if my network card is sending every 5th packet to Big Government Spy Agency |
| 18:37.00 | s5fs | should i audit my hardware's firmware? lol |
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| 18:37.21 | dontknow | s5fs, :S |
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| 18:38.56 | TomTomTo1 | what is even going on here? |
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| 18:40.22 | s5fs | TomTomTo1: tinfoil hat folding 101 |
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| 18:45.09 | jusri | hi' |
| 18:45.25 | dontknow | s5fs, i have free and open source firmware for my wifi card :) |
| 18:46.31 | s5fs | dontknow: i probably do as well but i haven't looked into it. at the hw level i just throw up my hands and hope for hte best :D |
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| 18:49.18 | TomTomTo1 | stick to the rules, man. |
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| 18:50.38 | dontknow | jelly wouldn't do that |
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| 18:51.57 | moonpunter | Sometimes the nicest thing you can say is nothing at all. |
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| 18:54.47 | dontknow | abrotman censored me on #debian-offtopic |
| 18:55.15 | abrotman | ls |
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| 18:56.01 | dontknow | he is a dictator :D |
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| 18:58.07 | awal1 | Any suggestion on how to make 'alsaplayer' (text mode) show "now playing" (radio name, artist name, song name...) when playing online radio as mplayer, moc, vlc does? |
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| 18:59.00 | grawity | um, why the specific requirement of alsaplayer? |
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| 19:03.09 | awal1 | why ? |
| 19:03.28 | awal1 | hum, so because I use it and like it, and I miss that feature :P |
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| 19:25.31 | awal1 | "alsaplayer -i text --verbose filename/url" does the job :) |
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| 19:30.08 | Ooze | I just did a 'make' and 'make install' then realized I'd rather have that folder in /opt than my homedir |
| 19:30.30 | Ooze | How can I "unmake install" so I can move the folder? |
| 19:30.32 | Walakea | is bumblebeed.service supposed to be active even when i am not currently using Nvidia driver |
| 19:30.50 | greycat | Ooze: find where it put everything, and remove it by hand. |
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| 19:30.58 | markybob | Ooze: no one knows what you're talking about. if it's just in your home dir just rm -rf it |
| 19:31.04 | TomTomTo1 | Ooze, make install is bad. look into the makefile and see what it did. |
| 19:31.13 | markybob | Ooze: some packages do have make uninstall |
| 19:31.40 | Ooze | http://paste.incorrigible.me/rosoruyose.hs |
| 19:31.59 | markybob | oh you did it as sudo |
| 19:32.16 | markybob | hrm. |
| 19:32.24 | markybob | that looks pretty ridiculous |
| 19:32.26 | jmcnaught | markybob: if the software was a configure script you can probably use "--prefix" to tell it where you want it installed. It's worth checking if there is a debian package of it first though |
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| 19:32.44 | markybob | jmcnaught: i also didn't do it |
| 19:32.50 | jmcnaught | oh sorry |
| 19:33.06 | Ooze | I was installing this https://github.com/melpon/wandbox/tree/master/kennel2 |
| 19:33.19 | TomTomTo1 | markybob learning lots of basics today :P |
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| 19:33.56 | markybob | TomTomTo1: i know. i don't understand why everyone keeps jumping on me |
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| 19:34.41 | Ooze | so should I just sudo rm -r /include/booster |
| 19:34.47 | Ooze | /// |
| 19:34.53 | ompaul | markybob: imagine a line in the middle of the road, it is rather broad, you are to either the left or right in most peoples views |
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| 19:35.13 | jmcnaught | Ooze: i would check to see if the Makefile has an uninstall target first, then you can just to "make uninstall" |
| 19:35.18 | ompaul | Ooze: welllllllll try make uninstall first |
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| 19:36.36 | Ooze | is that a thing? |
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| 19:37.00 | greycat | You won't know unless you try. |
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| 19:37.19 | Ooze | "uninstall" not found |
| 19:37.29 | markybob | Ooze: did you sudo make uninstall ? |
| 19:38.06 | greycat | Show the *actual* output, not your re-wording. |
| 19:38.07 | Ooze | make: *** No rule to make target 'uninstall'. Stop. |
| 19:38.19 | Ooze | no I just searched the makefile |
| 19:38.21 | greycat | OK. Then that particular piece of software doesn't support that. |
| 19:38.45 | Ooze | so rm -r ? |
| 19:39.41 | TomTomTo1 | can you pastebin the contents of the makefile? |
| 19:40.57 | greycat | Not worth it. Just figure out where the software went, and rm -rf it. |
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| 19:42.05 | Ooze | yeah I did a cat Makefile and it's massive |
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| 19:42.42 | Ooze | well I think the whole thin is in my ~/ |
| 19:43.16 | greycat | Ooze: did it use a ./configure? |
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| 19:43.22 | Ooze | no |
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| 19:43.34 | greycat | Oh god. Then it's a one-off weird thing and there is no guessing. |
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| 19:44.00 | Ooze | https://github.com/melpon/wandbox/tree/master/kennel2 |
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| 19:44.36 | DonaldDuck | You can always do a find on your system, find files created the last hour |
| 19:44.40 | DonaldDuck | Redirect it into a file |
| 19:44.43 | DonaldDuck | And clear it this way |
| 19:44.46 | jmcnaught | Ooze: the install instructions say to run ./configure for installing kennel.. |
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| 19:45.03 | Ooze | I hadn't even gotten there |
| 19:45.12 | Ooze | 2. Install CppCMS. |
| 19:45.39 | Ooze | or no |
| 19:45.43 | Ooze | the DP too |
| 19:45.47 | Ooze | nah I didn't do that yet |
| 19:45.52 | Ooze | DB* |
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| 19:49.22 | Ooze | What's outside of this folder that will break if I delete it? |
| 19:49.28 | Ooze | I just want to start over in /opt |
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| 19:52.27 | rinpoo | I just found some ips connected to my pc with net activity viewer that blank program what should I do with those? |
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| 19:54.23 | Ooze | ?? |
| 19:55.06 | centrx | I've got some IPs connected to my PC too. Sometimes I even use them. |
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| 19:58.52 | rinpoo | yea but these are like this one exim.adidonntu.org.ua |
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| 19:59.14 | rinpoo | when I visit it it greek or russian |
| 19:59.30 | rinpoo | and I dont have anby software open that could connect there |
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| 19:59.59 | rinpoo | I've enabled ufw |
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| 20:00.17 | rinpoo | hopefully that will stop that spyware |
| 20:00.25 | quantic | Assuming you have spyware. |
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| 20:00.30 | rinpoo | y |
| 20:00.37 | rinpoo | I ahve to since I dont know what it is |
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| 20:00.55 | quantic | No, that just means you don't know what it is. |
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| 20:01.00 | jhutchins | rinpoo: What open services do you have on your system? |
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| 20:01.14 | ompaul | if you don't know something, you don't get to say what it is |
| 20:01.26 | ompaul | you may guess what it is |
| 20:01.29 | ompaul | but you can't say it is that |
| 20:01.31 | rinpoo | what does open mean? |
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| 20:01.45 | ompaul | rinpoo: context |
| 20:01.46 | rinpoo | I've pretty much spammed it with software |
| 20:02.02 | ompaul | you've spammed something with software? |
| 20:02.04 | rinpoo | I have no clear overview |
| 20:02.10 | rinpoo | but nothing is open atm |
| 20:02.11 | greycat | rinpoo: pastebin the output of "ss -t" on paste.debian.net or something |
| 20:02.20 | ompaul | how on earth do you spamm something with software |
| 20:02.45 | rinpoo | by installing a lot of software |
| 20:02.48 | Ooze | Okay so just delete the folder in my homedir? |
| 20:02.57 | Ooze | I'm just afraid the sudo make install referenced it elsewhere |
| 20:03.10 | greycat | Ooze: nobody knows WHAT YOU DID, or WHAT DIRECTORY you are talking about. |
| 20:03.18 | ompaul | rinpoo: please do what greycat asked "ss -t" |
| 20:03.23 | DonaldDuck | Ooze, make a copy of it first. Unlog. Log yourself as root. and do a mv home_dir backup_home |
| 20:03.23 | Ooze | There's like no more information to give |
| 20:03.29 | greycat | "the folder" is too vague for us to give any information |
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| 20:03.33 | DonaldDuck | Then recreate your home, with mkdir. And chown to your user. |
| 20:03.39 | TomTomTo1 | Ooze, it did. find out where it installed to and delete that too. |
| 20:03.55 | rinpoo | http://pastebin.com/YGvwNXpd |
| 20:04.02 | ompaul | Ooze: strange as it may seem, we are not looking at your screen, we don't know what you are doing. |
| 20:04.23 | jmcnaught | Ooze: the output of "make install" probably said where it was installing to. Run it again, watch the output or put in on the Debian pastebin if you can't understand it |
| 20:04.27 | rinpoo | connections seem to have died down |
| 20:04.41 | rinpoo | guess ufw blocked them all |
| 20:04.51 | greycat | rinpoo: you only have 3 tcp connections on the entire system, and only 1 is established, and it's to a 192.168 address? Not seeing the issue. |
| 20:05.03 | ompaul | rinpoo: you're machine is on the left and what you connect to is on the right the port that was connected to is on the far away machine |
| 20:05.08 | rinpoo | y it was different before |
| 20:05.14 | rinpoo | I enabled ufw |
| 20:05.19 | Ooze | Well the output of 'make install' issn't the same anymore |
| 20:05.20 | quantic | ffs |
| 20:05.21 | Ooze | as it's already made |
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| 20:05.48 | DonaldDuck | Ooze, do a find . -cmin 60 |
| 20:05.58 | DonaldDuck | It will give you all files created since 1h ago. |
| 20:06.02 | greycat | that won't help if it's outside of . |
| 20:06.13 | DonaldDuck | Well change the find directory to / then |
| 20:06.21 | DonaldDuck | There shouldn't be much file created in 1h |
| 20:06.28 | greycat | Or just SCROLL BACK UP and READ THE OUTPUT OF make install and see what it did. |
| 20:06.37 | Ooze | it's long gone |
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| 20:07.30 | Ooze | there's tons of stuff coming up |
| 20:07.45 | DonaldDuck | Do the find then. find / -cmin 60 >/tmp/new_files |
| 20:07.58 | DonaldDuck | If you redirect to a file, it will be easier to see and clean after. |
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| 20:10.26 | greycat | I think you wanted -mmin -60 |
| 20:10.42 | DonaldDuck | Yeah got the synthax wrong, just opened the manual it's -mtime -1 |
| 20:11.15 | greycat | -mtime has a resolution of days. -mmin -60 is what you intended originally. |
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| 20:11.35 | DonaldDuck | Ah! Well thanks for clearing the idea ;) |
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| 20:12.12 | jhutchins | Some people prefer to read the makefile and figure out which steps it performed. |
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| 20:12.39 | greycat | Some people prefer to do "make -n install" to see what make install WANTS to do, before actually doing it. |
| 20:12.40 | Ooze | run this as root? |
| 20:12.50 | Ooze | Ah that would be nice |
| 20:12.57 | greycat | Some people read the output of make install while it's running to see what it's doing. |
| 20:13.05 | greycat | Some people read the INSTALL file to see what they should do. |
| 20:13.24 | blind | I run checkinstall to make a package out of it :D |
| 20:13.26 | Ooze | Why are you pretending I haven't linked everything I've done |
| 20:13.28 | Ooze | https://github.com/melpon/wandbox/tree/master/kennel2 |
| 20:13.31 | jhutchins | There are also programs that capture the process so it can be easily reversed. |
| 20:13.39 | DonaldDuck | And some people get paranoid and do then in a chroot. ;) |
| 20:13.52 | TomTomTo1 | it's also not advisable to use make install most of the time. |
| 20:14.09 | jhutchins | CentOS emphasises that builds should always be done in a chroot so that they can't break the system, but that assumes you're set up to build to a package. |
| 20:14.09 | greycat | There's also stuff like 'stow' that wraps make installs. |
| 20:14.20 | Ooze | They were instructions direct from the source |
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| 20:14.43 | greycat | Nobody wants to read your instructions for you. |
| 20:14.49 | jhutchins | TomTomTo1: That said, it's how things were done for a long time. |
| 20:15.04 | Ooze | Why are there so many salty people on freenode? |
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| 20:15.35 | DonaldDuck | Ooze, do the find, redirect to the file. And you will have your answer. Just need to locate and clear after that. |
| 20:15.55 | greycat | Note: not the commands locate(1) and clear(1). |
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| 20:16.43 | Ooze | I just get a flood of No such file or directory |
| 20:16.54 | TomTomTo1 | jhutchins, yeye, "back in my days" and all that :P |
| 20:17.16 | jmcnaught | Ooze: it's not that people are being salty for fun, it's that they're frustrated by the lack of detail you're providing |
| 20:17.28 | DonaldDuck | Because you lack permission. Just run it the same user as your made the make install. You can clear error easily with grep -v after |
| 20:17.41 | DonaldDuck | jmcnaught +1 ;) |
| 20:17.44 | Ooze | There is no lack of detail. I've linked the entire software source, instructions, and my installation logs. |
| 20:17.56 | Ooze | Half a dozen commands |
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| 20:18.12 | jmcnaught | Ooze: well that's my feedback, reflect on it if you want to understand the response you're getting |
| 20:18.32 | greycat | I thought you said the output of "make install" was long gone. Now you claim you have posted an "installation log"? |
| 20:18.55 | Ooze | sudo make install, yes. The 'make install' above it was washed away |
| 20:19.14 | greycat | I can't understand a thing you're saying. |
| 20:19.40 | DonaldDuck | Ooze if you've use sudo to make install. That's why you have so many errors with find. You will need to do a sudo find etc.... |
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| 20:20.17 | DonaldDuck | sudo find / -mmin -60 >/tmp/new_files |
| 20:20.34 | greycat | wonders whether it's been over 60 minutes yet |
| 20:20.41 | DonaldDuck | greycat, good point! :) |
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| 20:22.07 | Ooze | lots of /proc |
| 20:22.16 | DonaldDuck | If you got the file now |
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| 20:22.39 | DonaldDuck | do a : grep -v "/proc" /tmp/new_file >/tmp/cleaner_file |
| 20:22.50 | DonaldDuck | Will remove the proc file, pretty sure nothing there. |
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| 20:23.55 | Ooze | lots of /sys |
| 20:24.03 | DonaldDuck | Do the same, but with /sys now |
| 20:24.11 | DonaldDuck | You gonna get it cleaner |
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| 20:25.03 | ompaul | Ooze: how many programs did you do make install for? |
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| 20:25.51 | Ooze | just this one recently |
| 20:25.56 | Ooze | I've done others in the past likely |
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| 20:26.33 | Ooze | lots of /sr/share |
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| 20:26.53 | DonaldDuck | Well /usr/share can be it. So take a look at those |
| 20:27.04 | Ooze | Most of it is in my homedir |
| 20:27.33 | DonaldDuck | Well browse through the file and clean it up. You have now a map of all file created in the last hour. |
| 20:27.35 | Ooze | /usr/share/doc/libicu-dev/examples/udata |
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| 20:28.18 | TomTomTo1 | ^- is wondering why people are frustrated. |
| 20:28.21 | Ooze | these probably don't really matter right? |
| 20:28.27 | TomTomTo1 | Ooze yes |
| 20:28.44 | Ooze | k so I'm just gonna delete the folder like I originally was |
| 20:28.46 | Ooze | wew |
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| 20:28.58 | greycat | "the folder" again... |
| 20:29.10 | Ooze | cppcms and cppcms_build |
| 20:29.11 | jmcnaught | Ooze: that file was probably installed by the libicu-dev package in the instructions you linked to. Generally stuff in /usr is installed by packages, non-package installs should go to /usr/local, or /opt |
| 20:29.20 | Ooze | then redownload the source from git |
| 20:29.22 | Ooze | and remake |
| 20:29.24 | Ooze | in /opt |
| 20:29.37 | Ooze | Yeah that's what I figured |
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| 20:31.56 | DonaldDuck | Ooze, congradulation! You've learned a few commands today to clean futur mess that can happen ;) |
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| 20:36.37 | itaipu | hi, I just upgrade my machine (Debian 4.3.5-1 (2016-02-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux) and sudo simply gone... What happened ? |
| 20:37.00 | greycat | 4.3.5 is not a Debian kernel |
| 20:37.29 | greycat | Oh... stretch has that. So you're in stretch? Ask in #debian-next on OFTC. |
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| 20:37.42 | itaipu | greycat: thks |
| 20:38.45 | itaipu | cannot join this channel, I must have been invited |
| 20:39.05 | greycat | on the OFTC network, not on Freenode |
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| 20:40.36 | sepi | why would one use .. in an absolute path like in: "echo 9 > /sys/bus/usb/devices/usb1/../companion"? |
| 20:41.10 | greycat | Most likely that path was constructed by software. |
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| 20:43.48 | jelly | sepi: /sys/bus/usb/devices/usb1 is a symlink |
| 20:44.48 | jelly | sepi: appending /.. to that path does not lead back to /sys/bus/usb/devices |
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| 20:45.06 | sepi | jelly: that makes sense. thanks! |
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| 20:46.45 | sepi | How can I find the Port number of a usb device like lsusb -t displays it? |
| 20:47.02 | nebg | hello everyone... i would like to install compiz on debian, is it possible ? i saw that they dropped support from the repo... is there any safe way to install it ? |
| 20:47.03 | sepi | I know the bus and device id |
| 20:47.16 | nebg | or are there any alternatives to it ? |
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| 20:48.45 | dooglus | when I left-click on my touchpad, about 50% of the time nothing happens. is there any way this could be a software issue? or is the button just broken? |
| 20:49.01 | dooglus | tap-to-click always works - it's just the physical button that's not working |
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| 20:51.15 | nebg | dooglus, yeah it can even be hardware problems |
| 20:51.43 | dooglus | nebg, it's odd. it won't work for 5 minutes, then it will work for 5 minutes |
| 20:51.49 | DonaldDuck | If you have a live CD laying around. Boot on it. If you have the same issue, you know for sure... |
| 20:51.58 | dooglus | seems unlkely to be physically broken when it works so well when it's working |
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| 20:52.26 | dooglus | when I booted the netinst*.iso to install the system the touchpad wouldn't work at all - but when I rebooted after installation it was ok |
| 20:52.38 | DonaldDuck | should remind himself CD are almost out of existance now... DVD. DVD... (Even then...) |
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| 20:52.48 | dooglus | I mostly use usb sticks to boot from |
| 20:53.06 | Usuario | good afternoon, someone can help me where I can download the debian version 7 please |
| 20:53.13 | dooglus | I have a live debian iso here - I'll try that |
| 20:53.14 | DonaldDuck | Drinking any beers on top of your laptop these days? ;) |
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| 20:53.18 | dooglus | s/debian/ubunut/ |
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| 20:56.56 | Usuario | I need all dvds iso debian amd64 7.2 for an installation on a server, and the debian official website is only the version 8, which links I can find the version 7.2, they are greatly appreciate |
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| 20:57.02 | TomTomTo1 | Usuario, https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/ |
| 20:57.15 | greycat | The current point-release of wheezy is 7.9 by the way. |
| 20:57.22 | TomTomTo1 | ah, 7.2. don't know that. |
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| 20:57.43 | jmcnaught | Usuario: you should consider using Debian 8 now that Debian 7 is oldstable |
| 20:57.46 | greycat | I'm sure current wheezy will fulfill whatever he's doing. |
| 20:57.55 | quantic | I'm sure current stable will, too. |
| 20:58.04 | greycat | I doubt he needs 7.2 specifically. |
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| 20:58.35 | TomTomTo1 | you people with your logic and stuff. |
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| 20:59.04 | quantic | TomTomTo1: I know, I know. A pox on me and my descendants. |
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| 21:00.09 | Usuario | yes... i need 7.2 specifically |
| 21:00.16 | greycat | Why do you need bugs? |
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| 21:00.41 | coolw | http://ovrload.ru/t/66802_e69ddd9d7e02426e82b59d3158a1e608.jpg |
| 21:00.48 | coolw | i wish i had that amount of servers |
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| 21:02.05 | jmcnaught | Usuario: if something needs debian 7.2 and won't work on anything newer, you should find a less broken alternative to it |
| 21:02.50 | greycat | The only difference between 7.2 and 7.9 is a whole bunch of bugs. |
| 21:02.54 | quantic | Usuario: No, you don't need 7.2 specifically. |
| 21:03.05 | quantic | Usuario: You might think you do. Something might TELL you you do. You, and it, are mistaken. |
| 21:04.01 | TomTomTo1 | there is also no official download i think. |
| 21:04.21 | jmcnaught | not to mention, if you install 7.2 it will only be 7.2 until you update it |
| 21:04.58 | greycat | The update that occurs during installation would make it no longer 7.2, unless you went out of your way to suppress that. |
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| 21:07.59 | DonaldDuck | No way to be nostalgic anymore for old version. How Sad.. I miss the time when netscape was the only browser on Debian, and you had applet to kill it, as it was crashing so often.... |
| 21:08.04 | DonaldDuck | Can I have this version too? ;) |
| 21:08.31 | TomTomTo1 | yes, but nothing to be nostalgic about pointreleases. |
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| 21:08.48 | dooglus | I switched to the old laptop to write the ubuntu live iso to a usb stick, switched back here to boot it, but now the touchpad button is working and won't stop working |
| 21:08.51 | dooglus | just weird |
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| 21:09.23 | TomTomTo1 | DonaldDuck, you can still get old versions from the archives :P |
| 21:09.27 | DonaldDuck | dooglus, drop any beers on your touchpad recently? ;) |
| 21:09.43 | dooglus | all that happened between it being broken and working is one of the default screensavers fired up. I wonder if that had an effect, switching graphics mode or some such |
| 21:10.08 | dooglus | DonaldDuck: I don't think I ever did. I've dripped bath water on it before though |
| 21:10.18 | DonaldDuck | TomTomTo1, Oh! There you go. I feel like raising old memories from the dead now. I should try to get myself a floppy drive to install too... :) |
| 21:10.28 | dooglus | DonaldDuck: are you the guy who was selling auto-betting software to run on my site? |
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| 21:11.15 | dooglus | I think I'll try turning screensavers off and see if that fixes the touchpad issue |
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| 21:11.24 | DonaldDuck | dooglus, Auto-betting software? Well would love too, but not my field. I design ARM PCB, and port OS on them ;) Would sure prefer betting software sometime. |
| 21:12.24 | TomTomTo1 | the scam business is rather profitable. |
| 21:12.49 | Usuario | One question, in version 8 can find the version of python 2.7 package ... sorry I am new to linux and am following a guide to configure Samba 4 and modify their schemes with python |
| 21:13.03 | abrotman | judd: versions python |
| 21:13.04 | judd | Package: python on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.9-1; stretch: 2.7.11-1; sid: 2.7.11-1 |
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| 21:13.08 | dooglus | some guy called DonaldDucky was selling software which did a basic martingale progression (double stake on loss, reset to base on win) and claiming it was +EV... thought it might be you, since you seem to remember me from somewhere |
| 21:13.09 | DonaldDuck | TomTomTo1, Sure is. Wanna buy my latest Debian revision. Just need your credit card numbers for verification of your age. ;) |
| 21:13.28 | quantic | Usuario: If your only goal is samba, use the latest stable and have fun. |
| 21:14.00 | DonaldDuck | dooglus, I remember you from 10 minutes ago. Before you went trying that live DVD :P |
| 21:14.35 | dooglus | interesting: I went into the screensaver settings to turn it off. it showed the screensaver in a little window. and the touchpad button stopped working... |
| 21:15.17 | dooglus | I've set it to 'blank screen only' - hopefully that'll fix it |
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| 21:17.04 | DonaldDuck | dooglus, weird, what desktop env. you use? |
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| 21:18.56 | Usuario | quantic: also i need the package mysql server 5.5 and dependecies |
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| 21:19.58 | jmcnaught | Usuario: you can check to see which packages are available for Jessie (and other releases) here: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 21:20.49 | DonaldDuck | Usuario, you can also query in a terminal. Example: apt-cache search mysql server Then to see more information. apt-cache show the_packet_name |
| 21:21.00 | DonaldDuck | And when ready to install. apt-get install packet_name |
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| 21:22.09 | cvBanana | Hi! I'm currently considering moving from win7 to debian on my desktop, and would like to run testing, but how would I make sure I dont break my system when periodically updating my system? Should I subscribe to the debian-devel-announce mailing list, or use the apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges packages? How do you guys do it? :) |
| 21:22.43 | s5fs | cvBanana: I just apply patches and hope for the best |
| 21:22.58 | cvBanana | Heh, and if it doesnt work? |
| 21:23.02 | s5fs | then I fix it |
| 21:23.14 | greycat | There is no real security support for testing. If security means anything to you, run stable instead. |
| 21:23.15 | DonaldDuck | CvBanana stick at Stable if you want something stable... |
| 21:23.30 | jmcnaught | cvBanana: that's not a bad strategy. you could also hang out in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. Personally I use stable on my desktop systems, it's pretty great |
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| 21:24.03 | quantic | cvBanana: I'd just stick to stable. It has proper security updates, and is, in general, an excellent platform. |
| 21:24.05 | cvBanana | Dont get me wrong, I obviously run stable on my server, but I just think stable is a little old for a desktop.. I mean, isnt it like |
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| 21:24.21 | cvBanana | 1 year behind* misclock |
| 21:24.25 | DonaldDuck | I am on testing since a few years. And yes I do have issues to fix at every update. |
| 21:24.31 | jmcnaught | it's a lot newer than win7 |
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| 21:25.15 | greycat | You think 1 year old is "old"?! |
| 21:25.19 | quantic | cvBanana: It's not too old at all. I run Debian 8 and CentOS 7 on laptops and desktops. |
| 21:25.33 | quantic | They both provide an excellent experience. I do have more software versatility with Debian. |
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| 21:26.17 | jmcnaught | cvBanana: you could always start with stable, and learn about ways to safely install newer versions of software that you actually need. if it turns out you need shiny new everything, you could always upgrade to testing later |
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| 21:27.35 | DonaldDuck | Out of curiosity, can you guys run a : dpkg -la |wc -l I am curious to see the average package installed by people |
| 21:27.49 | cvBanana | Seems like the advice is clear; run stable unless you want to fiddle with your system every update. |
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| 21:28.31 | PryMar56 | DonaldDuck, 1058 |
| 21:28.43 | quantic | cvBanana: More like "run stable unless you want it to break every update." |
| 21:29.11 | DonaldDuck | PryMar56, Thanks. I am at 4202... Way out of league lol |
| 21:29.20 | cvBanana | Hehe, thanks a lot! I'll consider stable or amazon spyw.. errhh i mean ubuntu ;) |
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| 21:29.56 | karlpinc | cvBanana: You may want to look at wiki.debian.org both the DebianSoftware page and the DontBreakDebian page. |
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| 21:31.23 | cvBanana | Thank you, I did but got the impression that testing was fairly stable as and up to date for a desktop. Guess not |
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| 21:31.50 | greycat | !sns |
| 21:31.51 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 21:31.55 | DonaldDuck | cvBanana, It's stable once installed. But update make some software to skip major version. Which cause problem. well that's what happen to me. |
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| 21:32.28 | jmcnaught | cvBanana: it's more up to date, but it's a development release made for testing and finding bugs, so stuff breaks sometimes. it is also often the last to get security updates (because stable is the priority) |
| 21:32.34 | karlpinc | cvBanana: Testing will become more stable as it moves closer to release. |
| 21:32.43 | greycat | karlpinc: not always... |
| 21:32.55 | cvBanana | So you're running stable on your desktops? 647 packages btw :) |
| 21:33.04 | karlpinc | greycat: Right, but at least after freeze. |
| 21:33.08 | greycat | The main problem with testing is that when it breaks, it STAYS broken for a long time, because pacakges trickle into it from unstable slowly. |
| 21:33.23 | greycat | cvBanana: yes, most of us run stable on our desktops |
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| 21:33.31 | DonaldDuck | cvBanana, no I am on testing. I earn a living coding. So I need always the last thing... ;) |
| 21:33.33 | karlpinc | !newcode->newbugs |
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| 21:33.41 | Usuario | thank you very much for all your help until the next opportunity |
| 21:33.42 | greycat | !new code |
| 21:33.42 | dpkg | New code introduces new bugs. The best security practice is to backport fixes to the stable code base. This is what Debian does in its stable releases. |
| 21:33.44 | cvBanana | But you'd know if it'll break before updating if you subscribe to the mailing list, right? |
| 21:33.46 | DonaldDuck | cvBanana, But I do have some chroot with stable. |
| 21:33.51 | markybob | cvBanana: yes, run stable |
| 21:34.01 | markybob | cbmuser: no |
| 21:34.08 | markybob | cvBanana: ^ |
| 21:34.21 | karlpinc | DonaldDuck: I earn a living coding, so I want my desktop to work when I want to work. :-) |
| 21:34.38 | DonaldDuck | cvBanana, Stick to Stable. Once you feel more confident with Debian. Just update to testing when needed with apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:34.52 | greycat | If you produce software, you want to test and build on the OLDEST thing you can possibly find. |
| 21:34.59 | DonaldDuck | karlpinc, lol Yeah try to compile Android OS 6 on stable. ;) |
| 21:35.01 | markybob | cvBanana: last i checked, two days ago, simple day-to-day desktop things like vlc and network-manager were broken to the point of being useless. that happens often |
| 21:35.05 | greycat | That way your software will work on everyone's boxes, not just the 1% of boxes you tested for. |
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| 21:35.41 | DonaldDuck | greycat, as I've said. Go compile Android 6.0 OS under stable for fun... Or get Sunxi Flashing software for ARM processor on stable. |
| 21:35.54 | DonaldDuck | I use stable on a chroot only for server code, but new feature ask for testing ;) |
| 21:35.59 | teraflops | the sns factoid might be right if you run debian |
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| 21:39.54 | cvBanana | Is stuff like firefox/iceweasel and gnome (dont hate plz) backported to stable? Sorry if im asking too many questions |
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| 21:40.23 | markybob | cvBanana: iceweasel is |
| 21:40.25 | r6ku | cvBanana: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 21:40.26 | greycat | Iceweasel in stable is from the ESR series. If you want The Shiny New Shit With Big Numbers series, there's a separate repository (not part of stable per se). |
| 21:40.28 | markybob | cvBanana: not gnome |
| 21:40.33 | quantic | !sns |
| 21:40.33 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 21:41.11 | cvBanana | dpkg (bot?) whats ssb? |
| 21:41.12 | dpkg | cvBanana: i haven't a clue |
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| 21:41.16 | quantic | !ssb |
| 21:41.16 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 21:41.20 | TunaLobster | !backports |
| 21:41.20 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 21:41.33 | DonaldDuck | cvBanana, If you feel adventurous and still got that sns syndrome. You can install a stable system, and add "testing" software to it. But it may end up as a "not so" stable system. |
| 21:41.37 | markybob | cvBanana: it's a bot. that people really should learn to /msg |
| 21:41.39 | s5fs | I'm having an issue with a systemd unit (http://pastebin.com/k7H2mgKA). When I start four processes with this template, sometimes I get a warning: "tracd@3052.service: Supervising process 1941 which is not our child. We'll most likely not notice when it exits". Any help is greatly appreciated. |
| 21:41.40 | greycat | SSB ("simple sid backport") is the process of building your own backport, which is not always "simple". |
| 21:41.51 | quantic | markybob: Sorry. |
| 21:41.55 | cvBanana | Sorry Marky |
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| 21:43.13 | cvBanana | Okay, thanks guys <3 |
| 21:43.42 | s5fs | I thought all I had to do was supply the PIDFile and ensure the contents were correct, which it is. Additionally, when I kill the process that systemd claims to not watch, it does restart correctly. |
| 21:44.00 | s5fs | Is this warning safe to ignore? Why do some processes have the warning, but others do not? |
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| 21:47.15 | greycat | s5fs: that is WAY beyond my knowledge of systemd... you might need to ask #systemd instead. |
| 21:49.13 | rhizome | you're trying to start a bunch of tracds? |
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| 21:49.27 | s5fs | rhizome: yes |
| 21:49.30 | s5fs | greycat: lol mine too |
| 21:49.58 | s5fs | in the past the #systemd channel hasn't been a good resource, they mostly cater to application developers i think |
| 21:50.00 | rhizome | trac like the bug tracker? i haven't used it in a while, but i never had to do anything like that. |
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| 21:50.40 | grawity | s5fs: after starting tracd, what PPID does `ps j 1941` show? |
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| 21:51.09 | s5fs | lemme paste some output |
| 21:51.14 | karlpinc | s5fs: Maybe the process is double forking, which systemd does not call for? (but it's supposed to work anyway). But anyhow, there's some sort of what-kind-of-daemon-is-this system unit config that might help.... |
| 21:51.26 | s5fs | karlpinc: it's double forking for sure |
| 21:51.45 | greycat | I think cgroups are supposed to work around that, maybe, somehow. |
| 21:51.51 | s5fs | but I thought that's what Type=forking and the PIDFile=/foo is supposed to handle it |
| 21:51.54 | s5fs | greycat: right! |
| 21:52.11 | greycat | I'd rather punch the daemon in the face repeatedly until it stops double-forking. |
| 21:52.22 | karlpinc | s5fs: Dunno. Voodoo. |
| 21:52.22 | grawity | it double-forks, the 1st parent exits (which is interpreted as a signal that the daemon is now "started") but the 2nd parent is still running |
| 21:52.36 | karlpinc | greycat: Because punching systemd in the face is unproductive? |
| 21:52.48 | grawity | so when systemd reads the PIDFile at that moment, the child process is still under the 2nd parent and not under init |
| 21:53.17 | karlpinc | grawity: So, spurious warning? |
| 21:53.17 | grawity | that's fine because the 2nd parent exits soon, but systemd doesn't know about that yet, so it warns you |
| 21:53.31 | greycat | doesn't know why a PID file would be used if the magical cgroups thing is supposed to be tracking the orphans |
| 21:53.32 | grawity | i.e. it doesn't know if that's temporary or permanent |
| 21:53.33 | s5fs | okay here's an updated paste: http://pastebin.com/7PvCPLvf |
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| 21:53.43 | grawity | greycat: cgroups can't tell you when a particular process has exited |
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| 21:53.58 | s5fs | grawity: afaik things look correct |
| 21:54.00 | grawity | greycat: they only tell you what processes are *in* the cgroup, or when the whole cgroup has emptied |
| 21:54.09 | s5fs | when I start a Trac process, it forks but the PID is correct |
| 21:54.09 | grawity | s5fs: under what meaning of "correct"? |
| 21:54.22 | s5fs | grawity: are you looking at my paste? |
| 21:54.23 | grawity | s5fs: so I was asking, which *parent* PID does it show for tracd? |
| 21:54.32 | grawity | looking now |
| 21:54.47 | grawity | the paste doesn't have anything like what I asked for |
| 21:54.48 | s5fs | www-data 849 1 0 21:07 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/tracd -d -p 3053 --pidfile=/var/www/bugs.jquery.com/private/trac/run/tracd.3053 --protocol=http -s /var/www/bugs.jquery.com/private/trac |
| 21:55.08 | s5fs | grawity: sorry, no, that's the systemctl output in the paste. but it shows the child PIDs. |
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| 21:55.11 | s5fs | and the cgroups |
| 21:55.23 | grawity | greycat: and the pidfile is mostly for dealing with double-forking daemons, triple-forking daemons, etc. where the .service unit's author thinks systemd can't reliably guess which process is the "main" PID |
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| 21:56.03 | s5fs | my 'ps' output shows the ppid as 1 (systemd) and the pid as 849, which matches the PIDFile passed in the .service template |
| 21:56.07 | s5fs | additionally! |
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| 21:56.34 | s5fs | if I 'systemctl stop/start tracd@foo.service' it appears to work just fine |
| 21:56.50 | s5fs | but if I restart it 10x in a row, only a few times will it give the warning message |
| 21:56.54 | s5fs | not 100% of the time |
| 21:57.14 | grawity | right, so pretty much as I described above |
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| 21:57.18 | s5fs | if it were a consistent warning then I would know to continue wrenching on my configuration, but since it works most? of the time, who knows |
| 21:57.20 | karlpinc | s5fs: grawity explained the race |
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| 21:58.00 | s5fs | grawity: thank you, i was confusing you and greycat (same color in my irc client lol) |
| 21:58.11 | s5fs | grawity: okay so it IS a race condition and the warning is erroneous, then? |
| 21:58.19 | grawity | no, the warning is correct |
| 21:58.20 | karlpinc | s5fs: (You could always wrap it in a script which starts the daemon, then sleeps one second. :-) |
| 21:58.22 | s5fs | by which I mean it can safely be ignored? |
| 21:58.35 | grawity | or rather, it's not caused by anything from systemd's side |
| 21:58.48 | grawity | if the process ends up having a PPID of 1 later, yeah, you can ignore that warning |
| 21:59.08 | s5fs | in all cases that i've seen during my testing, it ends up with ppid=1 |
| 21:59.13 | grawity | yeah, as it should |
| 21:59.21 | grawity | it's just that init cannot see into the future |
| 21:59.45 | greycat | Can't you just remove the -d option to stop running tracd in forking mode? |
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| 21:59.53 | grawity | (and things like "this PPID is bad, but let's wait for a few seconds and maybe warn then, or maybe not" are just ... ick.) |
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| 22:00.07 | karlpinc | grawity: agreed1 |
| 22:00.09 | karlpinc | ! |
| 22:00.27 | s5fs | greycat: i don't know i'm porting this from a sysv init script and trying to keep as much intact as possible |
| 22:00.32 | s5fs | otherwise i may actually learn something about trac lol |
| 22:00.38 | grawity | yeah, Type=simple without -d would work |
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| 22:00.56 | grawity | it does mean systemd can't distinguish when the service is 'starting' vs 'started', but for tracd that's probably not a problem |
| 22:01.09 | greycat | See, this one only needed a single punch in the face. |
| 22:01.19 | s5fs | all i'm really after is process watching lol |
| 22:01.27 | s5fs | w/o using monit or similar, let systemd do the work |
| 22:01.29 | karlpinc | grawity: When it is a problem? When there's dependent system units? |
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| 22:01.37 | grawity | karlpinc: yeah |
| 22:01.49 | grawity | karlpinc: e.g. if you had something with After=tracd@foo.service |
| 22:02.20 | s5fs | grawity: okay, follow-up question.. so I have a service template and I spawn four processes w/it. how do I "group" them together so I can stop/start them all at once? |
| 22:02.24 | grawity | karlpinc: you'd usually expect it to be delayed until tracd@foo was up and running |
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| 22:02.33 | karlpinc | grawity: I thought the right way to do dependencies was via detecting the listening socket. But I guess that only works when there's sockets involved. |
| 22:02.39 | s5fs | instead of 'service tracd@<port> stop` for each one |
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| 22:03.46 | grawity | s5fs: make a tracd.target http://sprunge.us/DPiK |
| 22:03.54 | grawity | s5fs: and have PartOf=tracd.target in your .service |
| 22:04.16 | grawity | then `systemctl start/stop tracd.target` |
| 22:04.37 | s5fs | grawity: thank you. also, what is the best resource for systemd stuff, in case you are unavailable in the future lol |
| 22:04.40 | grawity | or, I dunno, look into what Debian does for its openvpn.service (which groups all the openvpn@whatevers) |
| 22:04.54 | s5fs | i'm using arch docs but they seem pretty light, and lennart's writing style is rough |
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| 22:05.31 | karlpinc | grawity: I've got multiple openvpn instances. Which prompt for credentials when started. You wouldn't know how to keep the 2nd and subsequent from spamming all my ttys with writes about how to supply credentials? |
| 22:06.09 | karlpinc | s5fs: There's often help here. It just depends on who's here. |
| 22:06.33 | s5fs | you have all been very helpful :D |
| 22:06.36 | s5fs | thank you so much |
| 22:06.45 | karlpinc | grawity: (I start each openvpn instance manually.) |
| 22:06.46 | s5fs | i'm testing the Type=simple non-daemonized trac |
| 22:06.52 | grawity | karlpinc: I dunno, never had to use systemd's ask-password stuff |
| 22:07.02 | onur__ | Hi guys. I have a question. I am planning to a debian machine as router. I have a ADSL router running in bridge mode. I am making a pppoe connection in my debian box. I am wondering can I share this connection (with masquerade and dhcp server) on same network interface? |
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| 22:07.07 | karlpinc | grawity: Ok. Thanks. |
| 22:07.08 | grawity | s5fs: fwiw, Type=simple and StandardOutput=syslog are already default, you can omit them |
| 22:07.17 | grawity | karlpinc: so the first one works, but the second one doesn't? |
| 22:07.38 | grawity | onur__: yeah, sounds possible |
| 22:07.56 | karlpinc | grawity: They all work. But the 2nd time I start a (different) openvpn I get ask-password messages on all my ttys. write(1) |
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| 22:08.25 | grawity | hmm |
| 22:08.33 | grawity | `systemctl mask systemd-ask-password-wall.path`? |
| 22:08.46 | karlpinc | onur__: Yes. But it sounds like a really bad idea. _MUch better to use a 2nd nic. |
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| 22:09.46 | karlpinc | grawity: Ok.... Sounds like a big hammer. But ok. |
| 22:09.56 | onur__ | unfortunately my machine have only one |
| 22:10.05 | grawity | well, it disables exactly what you want to disable |
| 22:10.32 | s5fs | grawity: awesome thank you |
| 22:10.35 | karlpinc | onur__: You'd be relying on your switch for security. Which can be spoofed. |
| 22:10.49 | karlpinc | grawity: :-) |
| 22:10.53 | grawity | (namely, it's the service that walls about pending password prompts) |
| 22:11.00 | grawity | and doesn't do anything else |
| 22:11.02 | grawity | so ... shrug. |
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| 22:11.32 | onur__ | how karlpinc? my debian will handle all traffic and I don't think other users can make another pppoe connection |
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| 22:11.47 | karlpinc | grawity: Sounds like the kind of thing that will work just great -- until I suddenly run a service that needs wall. (Reminds me of that joke I made above about sleep....) |
| 22:12.12 | jhutchins | onur__: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
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| 22:12.27 | jhutchins | onur__:http://www.trinityos.com/LINUX/index-linux.html |
| 22:12.30 | grawity | well, systemctl itself checks for password requests when starting services, so that covers probably 99% of all ask-password uses |
| 22:13.04 | karlpinc | onur__: Your ADSL is bridging. Any traffic it sees goes to the net. Worse, your switch sees unfiltered traffic from the net. So the Internet can poke tat your switch until it breaks and shows them all your LAN traffic. |
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| 22:14.32 | karlpinc | grawity: Disabling wall is a good idea. I'll have to think about what I can live with. |
| 22:14.40 | onur__ | karlpinc, is it ok if I am the only user in this switch? me, debian box and adsl router |
| 22:14.43 | grawity | it doesn't disable *all of* wall of course |
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| 22:14.53 | karlpinc | grawity: Right. |
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| 22:16.30 | karlpinc | onur__: I'd feel more comfortable buying a used 10Mbps nic and dropping it into the debian box. Then use that to connect to the ADSL router. Your tolerance for privacy/security is your choice. |
| 22:16.49 | karlpinc | onur__: A nick is probably only a few dollars. |
| 22:16.51 | jhutchins | onur__: So what are you planning on sharing the connection with? |
| 22:17.26 | jhutchins | onur__: karlpinc's suggestion is a good idea. |
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| 22:17.46 | karlpinc | (My spelling on the other hand, sucks.) |
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| 22:20.03 | onur__ | alright guys I'll try to add another nic, thanks |
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| 22:25.59 | markybob | damn. sorry |
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| 22:33.12 | DelphiWorld | yo debianists |
| 22:33.25 | DelphiWorld | where should i put the .service file for a systemd script? |
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| 22:35.08 | grawity | /etc/systemd/system |
| 22:35.23 | s5fs | grawity: when should we put things in /lib/systemd/system? |
| 22:35.24 | DelphiWorld | thaanks grawity |
| 22:35.29 | grawity | s5fs: when you're the packager |
| 22:35.34 | s5fs | gotcha, thanks! |
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| 22:35.59 | grawity | since /etc is for the sysadmin's own stuff (including package overrides) |
| 22:36.33 | DelphiWorld | rebootin |
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| 22:48.41 | mykhailyk | how to remove systemd ? |
| 22:49.01 | Delf | Do I have to be in group audio in order to have sound? |
| 22:51.19 | TomTomTo1 | Delf, yes |
| 22:51.39 | TomTomTo1 | Delf, alsa needs that. |
| 22:51.42 | teclo- | Hi, in Debian 8.x ... where did ffmpeg go ? |
| 22:52.11 | themill | Delf: I think the #systemd people are right here |
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| 22:52.39 | s5fs | grawity: systemd service file changes worked a treat, thank you! |
| 22:52.59 | Delf | TomTomTo1: I have a multi-seat setup. If I add myself to audio group I'm able to access all the devices on other seats |
| 22:53.16 | themill | teclo-: ffmpeg wasn't in wheezy or jessie but libav is. There's an ffmpeg in jessie-backports if you want |
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| 22:53.45 | TomTomTo1 | Delf, sry, but i don't understand what that means. |
| 22:54.03 | quantic | mykhailyk: Why? |
| 22:54.25 | Paianni | libav is a pseudo-fork of ffmpeg |
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| 22:54.50 | mykhailyk | quantic, i just don't like it |
| 22:54.59 | teclo- | themill: ah... so how do I transcode videos ? |
| 22:54.59 | mykhailyk | nor its developer |
| 22:55.11 | themill | teclo-: avconv |
| 22:55.28 | Paianni | well add the backports repo then |
| 22:55.41 | quantic | mykhailyk: If you're technically proficient enough to have an opinion on it, you're capable enough to figure out how to rip and replace it on your own. Have you tried learning how to use it? |
| 22:56.15 | mykhailyk | quantic, i know how to remove it and i have done it already, i just thought there is an "oficial answer" |
| 22:56.27 | quantic | mykhailyk: The official answer is that Debian switched to systemd. |
| 22:56.35 | teclo- | themill: thank you |
| 22:56.46 | mykhailyk | i hope it'll switch back to sysv in 9 |
| 22:56.58 | quantic | mykhailyk: And, so far, I'm loving that fact. Emotionally-based opinions of the system or its developer(s) doesn't mean much to me. |
| 22:57.05 | Paianni | what does systemd have to do with ffmpeg? |
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| 22:57.22 | themill | Paianni: unrelated conversations |
| 22:57.27 | mykhailyk | quantic, you are technically proficient enough |
| 22:57.28 | ksx4system | mykhailyk, there's no official answer :( just switch to Devuan (#devuan) |
| 22:57.39 | themill | ksx4system: that's not true |
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| 23:08.19 | nurupo | >-tomaw- [Global Notice] Hi all, I need to restart one of the network hubs. This will break the network for a short while but it should only last a few minutes. |
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| 23:08.47 | nurupo | well, why am i even talking to bots |
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| 23:09.15 | TomTomTo1 | we bots appreciate it. |
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| 23:10.50 | nurupo | oh, just noticed that i incorrectly tab-completed debhelper |
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| 23:11.04 | nurupo | deathleff: sorry :) |
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| 23:16.48 | thomasfuston | Hello, i am trying to remap some keys with xmodmap, i am using - xmodmap -e "clear mod4" but it throws this error http://pastebin.com/L7gbP2mN |
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| 23:19.36 | TomTomTo1 | thomasfuston, could be case sensitive. you could try it with Mod4. |
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| 23:20.08 | thomasfuston | Already did still the same error |
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| 23:31.26 | MeetHammer_ | Hi guys, I wrote a script to randomize my MAC address and hostname: http://pastebin.com/H46TRdR0. I used the information from the debian wiki, inasmuch as hostname is concerned: https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname. Everything works, except Synaptic as root, which only works once I log back in. How can i fix Synaptic? |
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| 23:40.47 | MeetHammer_ | ... and gals! |
| 23:41.05 | MeetHammer_ | checks his privilege. |
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| 23:45.20 | amdp | hi how do I disable spamassassin to start automatically at boot? |
| 23:46.07 | TomTomTo1 | MeetHammer_, how does synaptic not work? any error messages? |
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| 23:46.30 | MeetHammer_ | TomTomTo1: it issue the root password prompt and then ... nothing |
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| 23:47.20 | MeetHammer_ | TomTomTo1: oh wait! |
| 23:47.25 | grawity | try adding the 'myhostname' module to /etc/nsswitch.conf, in hosts: |
| 23:47.39 | MeetHammer_ | TomTomTo1: there is much more when I do it from CLI, basically it cant connect to the xsession console |
| 23:48.06 | TomTomTo1 | MeetHammer_, paste the error please. |
| 23:48.12 | MeetHammer_ | roger that |
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| 23:49.21 | MeetHammer_ | TomTomTo1: grawity: http://pastebin.com/GFUg2TAj |
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| 23:50.37 | grawity | change your .xprofile or your DE/WM config to run `xhost +SI:localuser:$(whoami) +SI:localuser:root` |
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| 23:51.08 | grawity | for historical reasons, keys in the Xauthority file are per-hostname |
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| 23:52.51 | TomTomTo1 | grawity, half the conversation was lost to me. was that related to MeetHammer_? |
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| 23:53.11 | grawity | yes |
| 23:53.20 | MeetHammer_ | grawity: I dont seem to have an .xprofile in my home directory . What is DE/WM config? |
| 23:54.03 | MeetHammer_ | im running xfce |
| 23:54.50 | Delf | TomTomTo1: Are you familiar with multi-seat setups? |
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| 23:56.01 | teraflops | MeetHammer_: what DM are you running? |
| 23:56.22 | TomTomTo1 | Delf, no, i can't help you with that. |
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| 23:57.29 | MeetHammer_ | teraflops: xfce .. ? |
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| 23:58.51 | teraflops | nope that's a DE |
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| 23:59.08 | MeetHammer_ | teraflops: hrmmm kde ..? |
| 23:59.14 | teraflops | ^ |
| 23:59.16 | MeetHammer_ | wait fuck thats a DE |
| 23:59.19 | MeetHammer_ | hrmmm |
| 23:59.21 | MeetHammer_ | jessie! |
| 23:59.26 | teraflops | lightdm? gdm? |
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| 23:59.46 | MeetHammer_ | i ... dont know |
| 23:59.49 | jeezy | using xdm |
| 23:59.57 | teraflops | that GUI thing that greets you and ask for a user and password ... |
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