| 00:00.16 | wewlad | Shadow_7: I prefer cli too :) |
| 00:00.21 | bennypr0fane | wewlad, apt-get install --reinstall |
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| 00:01.02 | wewlad | sorry, I didn't mean I don't know if there's reinstall, I meant to ask mtn to give details what he wants me to do |
| 00:01.31 | mtn | wewlad: yes, I want you to reinstall network-manager after wicd is gone |
| 00:01.32 | wewlad | Shadow_7: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-kill |
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| 00:02.23 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: does whatever this thing is have a radio tower like button? or an Fn + ((o)) combo? |
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| 00:02.49 | wewlad | Shadow_7: a physical slider button |
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| 00:02.58 | wewlad | that slides back |
| 00:03.08 | wewlad | so it always remains in the same spot |
| 00:03.22 | wewlad | mtn: done |
| 00:03.25 | wewlad | mtn: rebooted |
| 00:03.27 | bennypr0fane | wewlad well you could turn in back on with rfkill |
| 00:03.41 | bennypr0fane | *turn it |
| 00:03.41 | mtn | wewlad: now what does sudo rfkill list wifi say? |
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| 00:04.03 | wewlad | mtn: still hard blocked: yes |
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| 00:04.16 | wewlad | bennypr0fane: ^ |
| 00:04.37 | mtn | wewlad: ok, so it is a hardware problem, not wicd or network manager. are you dual booting with windows? |
| 00:04.49 | wewlad | no, I used windows before |
| 00:04.57 | bennypr0fane | wewlad: sudo rfkill unblock <number of yr wif here> |
| 00:05.00 | mtn | wewlad: have you made any changes in the bios? |
| 00:05.10 | wewlad | mtn: no |
| 00:05.19 | mtn | try this: sudo rfkill unblock all |
| 00:05.35 | wewlad | didn't help |
| 00:05.36 | mtn | wewlad: then run the first rfkill command again |
| 00:05.38 | wewlad | still hard blocked |
| 00:05.51 | bennypr0fane | wewlad: sudo rfkill unblock 0 |
| 00:06.00 | mtn | wewlad: it might be hardware failure. to be sure, test with a live disk. if it still does not work, it looks bad |
| 00:06.17 | wewlad | bennypr0fane: still |
| 00:06.30 | bennypr0fane | unblock all has never worked for me, I always need to use the number of the specific device |
| 00:06.33 | mtn | wewlad: the live disk is the best test, now |
| 00:06.34 | wewlad | mtn: it's probably a driver issue |
| 00:06.46 | bennypr0fane | wewlad, most certainly |
| 00:06.53 | mtn | wewlad: no, it is not likely a driver problem, unless you removed the module |
| 00:06.56 | wewlad | I mean, it might be on some level hardware issue, but fact is - wifi worked before I went to friend's place |
| 00:06.57 | fl4sh | bennypr0fane: what is the best way to share screenshot? ;p |
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| 00:07.12 | wewlad | fl4sh: upload it to imgur |
| 00:07.16 | mtn | wewlad: you can try this. install inxi, then run inxi -Nn |
| 00:07.26 | bennypr0fane | fl4sh, post e.g. on imgur, you don't need an account there |
| 00:07.29 | mtn | wewlad: we can see more info that way |
| 00:07.47 | fl4sh | wewlad: bennypr0fane hope it is better way |
| 00:07.57 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: could be a wonky driver or firmware issue. dmesg... and probably modprobe -r and modprobe the driver for the wifi |
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| 00:08.17 | bennypr0fane | CAn nobody help me with that dependencies problem? |
| 00:08.35 | fl4sh | bennypr0fane: https://imgur.com/dq8DZlv |
| 00:09.43 | wewlad | mtn: Card-1 - ethernet one, Card-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) driver: ath5k IF: wlan0 state: down mac: mymac |
| 00:09.44 | bennypr0fane | fl4sh, maybe this is a root terminal application? |
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| 00:10.07 | fl4sh | ? |
| 00:10.11 | bennypr0fane | wewlad, is this an apple thingy? |
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| 00:10.14 | wewlad | no |
| 00:10.17 | Shadow_7 | bennypr0fane: apt-get install lib32ncurses5 |
| 00:10.20 | wewlad | an ancient Acer |
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| 00:10.46 | bennypr0fane | wewlad, ok, your chance lives :-D |
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| 00:11.26 | wewlad | afaik tech specs of my note said the module was AR5007EG |
| 00:11.42 | wewlad | not sure why debian says it's AR242x / AR542x and if it is correct |
| 00:12.04 | bennypr0fane | Shadow_7, http://pastie.org/private/burhcrdnbxpkpr5v84ftkq can you figure out what it means? Otherwise I can translate |
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| 00:12.16 | mtn | wewlad: ok, so it does have the driver. test with a live disk. can you do that? |
| 00:12.40 | wewlad | mtn: oh, damn, that's a huge pita to do, please, trust me, the module works |
| 00:12.50 | Shadow_7 | bennypr0fane: apt-get -f install |
| 00:13.01 | Shadow_7 | seems your packaging system is a little out of whack |
| 00:13.03 | mtn | wewlad: no, it is not working and you need to test if hardware or software problem |
| 00:13.07 | wewlad | I mean I installed debian not so long ago, and it asked what wifi to connect to on the OS setup step |
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| 00:13.25 | wewlad | that's why I didn't notice the problem until I moved my notebook outside of my home place |
| 00:14.02 | mtn | wewlad: a similar problem happened to a friend of mine recently, and it was a hardware failure |
| 00:14.03 | bennypr0fane | Shadow_7, already done that, it just removes the game I'm trying to install and gets me back to square one |
| 00:14.21 | Shadow_7 | bennypr0fane: what game and from what source? |
| 00:14.40 | bennypr0fane | Botanicula, downloaded from Humble Bundle |
| 00:14.50 | bennypr0fane | .deb package |
| 00:14.52 | wewlad | mtn: what would you suggest to do if wifi worked from a livecd? |
| 00:15.07 | mtn | wewlad: hard to say. reinstall? |
| 00:15.17 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: check the lsmod output of the liveCD and compare to your other install |
| 00:15.41 | mtn | Shadow_7: I think it has the right module loaded now |
| 00:15.47 | wewlad | mtn: then I'd end up where I were before moving to a friend: I'd have a notebook with wifi working only with 1 network, that was selected on the os setup step |
| 00:16.05 | Shadow_7 | it's not just the module these days... it's firmware and firmware versions |
| 00:16.18 | mtn | wewlad: sorry, that makes no sense. it either works or it doesn't |
| 00:16.25 | bennypr0fane | Shadow_7, maybe the /etc/apt/sources.list is bad? a deb-src line is just for sourve code, right? You can see it at the bottom of my first paste |
| 00:16.49 | wewlad | mtn: it worked a week ago. on debian. at my home. I've been using wifi for months since I installed debian |
| 00:17.05 | Shadow_7 | bennypr0fane: if it's only the game that gives you issues, then it's the game |
| 00:17.10 | wewlad | I didn't notice the problem because at home I don't need to pick wifi networks from a list, 1 net is enough |
| 00:17.20 | mtn | wewlad: which is besides the point. you will have to test to see if it is really a hardware problem or not |
| 00:17.21 | Shadow_7 | bennypr0fane: probably works fine on wheezy... but needs to be updated to work on jessie |
| 00:17.36 | bennypr0fane | Shadow_7, nah, it's not *that* old |
| 00:17.37 | wewlad | mtn: and if it's not? |
| 00:17.40 | wewlad | then what? |
| 00:17.45 | mtn | wewlad: I already answered you |
| 00:17.52 | wewlad | that's a loop |
| 00:17.58 | Shadow_7 | bennypr0fane: more a matter of dependencies then age |
| 00:18.02 | mtn | wewlad: no reason to keep talking about it. just go find out |
| 00:18.06 | bennypr0fane | However the problem certainly IS the game |
| 00:18.10 | wewlad | oh god |
| 00:18.19 | bennypr0fane | so only game publishers can help me? |
| 00:18.25 | mtn | wewlad: it is not a loop. you know how to fix it one way or the other |
| 00:18.42 | Shadow_7 | bennypr0fane: that or run the game in a vm that matches it's versioning (or chroot) |
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| 00:19.02 | wewlad | it is a loop, because after the OS install the OS lacks tools to get a list of available wifi networks, yet it can connect to the initially selected one |
| 00:19.16 | wewlad | f--k debian for that approach |
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| 00:19.19 | mtn | wewlad: nonsense. not true at all. prove it |
| 00:19.25 | bennypr0fane | Shadow_7, they don't say anything about its versioning (it's means it is :-) ) |
| 00:19.27 | Shadow_7 | bennypr0fane: I used to chroot to a 32 bit install back when java lacked a 64 bit browser plugin (5+ years after 64 bit was a thing) |
| 00:19.28 | wewlad | well, you are simply wrong |
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| 00:19.49 | mtn | wewlad: I have used debian for about 20 years and what you said is just flat not true. |
| 00:19.56 | wewlad | actually, no, you are right, there's wpasupplicant way |
| 00:20.08 | bennypr0fane | Shadow_7, they have a 32-bit and a 64-bit ver for download |
| 00:20.13 | wewlad | I meant no gui util to get a list, by that moment I didn't know about wpasupplicant way |
| 00:20.25 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: some wifi chipsets only work with OLDER firmware. Like my dell inspiron 1150 |
| 00:20.46 | Shadow_7 | bennypr0fane: might try the 64 bit one if you're on 64 bit install / hardware |
| 00:21.00 | mtn | wewlad: there is a gui way and has been for many many years. it is called network manager. |
| 00:21.02 | wewlad | it's just ridiculous that debian wants me to reinstall it in order to get wifi back working again |
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| 00:21.10 | bennypr0fane | Shadow_7, that's the one I'm already trying |
| 00:21.17 | wewlad | mtn: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi NetworkManager (installed by default on Gnome-Desktop & Laptop installation) |
| 00:21.27 | mtn | wewlad: you don't know it is a software problem. most likely is not |
| 00:21.58 | bennypr0fane | wewlad, fwiw, I don't think it's software related either... |
| 00:22.30 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: you don't need wpasupplicant either if the network isn't encrypted |
| 00:22.58 | bennypr0fane | if at all, it's a driver or firmware issue- otherwise hardware failure. You could verify that if you have a USB wlan dongle maybe... |
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| 00:24.13 | vassago | im sorry to hear about ian guys... will be missed |
| 00:24.20 | Shadow_7 | sounds more likee quirky driver / firmware... my hp stream 11 wifi was whacky until July of last year... 8 months after I bought it |
| 00:25.02 | Shadow_7 | or a hardware button that toggles it on/off |
| 00:25.12 | wewlad | damn, I forgot how to make a bootable usb flash with linux from windows... |
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| 00:25.45 | cra1g321 | wewlad check out win32diskimager |
| 00:25.53 | wewlad | it's for *.img files |
| 00:25.56 | wewlad | and I have *.iso |
| 00:26.00 | cra1g321 | it works fine with iso |
| 00:26.04 | cra1g321 | just set it to show all files |
| 00:26.14 | wewlad | oh, right, I had probably done so last time :) |
| 00:26.53 | wewlad | thx cra1g321 |
| 00:26.59 | cra1g321 | np :) |
| 00:27.45 | wewlad | mtn: what should I better do with debian-live-8.2.0-i386-xfce-desktop.iso written on a usb? just boot from it and try wifi? |
| 00:27.59 | wewlad | I never used live boot of linux |
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| 00:28.07 | wewlad | I always used it to install the OS |
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| 00:30.04 | dvs | wewlad: better to use the firmwre version for wifi |
| 00:30.20 | wewlad | dvs: what? |
| 00:31.04 | dvs | wewlad: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.2.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 00:31.58 | wewlad | dvs: I already had a downloaded distro, didn't want to re-download anything |
| 00:32.28 | beingbrown | hello. I'm currently trying to set up my wifi through the terminal. I've got my wireless device working because iwlist wlan0 scan prints the networks in the area. however, the /etc/network/interfaces contains my local network setup, but it is not connecting. when i run ifup wlan0 i get no dhcp offers were received |
| 00:32.29 | wewlad | also, that list is amd64, my notebook has x32 cpu |
| 00:32.41 | beingbrown | i followed https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-3-network-setup/setting-up-wifi-with-occidentalis to do the /etc/network/interfaces configuration |
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| 00:34.51 | wewlad | mtn: lol, first thing I see after booting livecd is a popup saying Wi-Fi networks available |
| 00:34.58 | wewlad | SUCK IT xD |
| 00:36.06 | wewlad | damn debian, so should I freaking reinstall the whole OS because of wi-fi is not working in the installed instance?? |
| 00:36.30 | wewlad | if so - I'd better use something more stable |
| 00:37.17 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: with quirky wifi drivers a reboot resets the chipset and it works again... might not be broke per say on your installed version |
| 00:37.55 | wewlad | Shadow_7: following mtn's directions I rebooted after I removed wicd and reinstalled network-manager |
| 00:39.04 | wewlad | btw, sliding the physical button while booted to livecd - doesn't turn wifi off |
| 00:39.16 | wewlad | it's still on and I see the list of available networks |
| 00:39.23 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: you can use kernel-package to install a new kernel (or backports) and you can get the latest firmware from github or kernel.org which tends to solve most wifi issues that are driver related |
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| 00:40.11 | wewlad | Shadow_7: I have enabled backports, isn't 'apt-get upgrade' enough? |
| 00:40.26 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: uname -a |
| 00:40.33 | wewlad | from livecd? |
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| 00:40.43 | Shadow_7 | you might need to actually apt-get the new-er kernel |
| 00:41.17 | Shadow_7 | livecd sure... if it's not 3.16 like the install, could explain some of the difference |
| 00:41.17 | dvs | wewlad: No, you need an option to get stuff from backports specifically. |
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| 00:41.48 | wewlad | 3.16.0-4-586 |
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| 00:42.00 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: so 32 bit kernel |
| 00:43.04 | wewlad | thing is, I remember I updated something related to kernel/firmware/drivers after someone advised me to do so when I was trying to configure wine to work and that required to install a more recent version and thus I had to enable backports |
| 00:43.16 | wewlad | honestly, as a newb I am - I totally forgot about that part |
| 00:43.30 | wewlad | so yeah, I might have broken something manually with that update |
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| 00:44.57 | wewlad | lol, my non-live install's 'uname -a' says 4.2.0-0-bpo-1-686-pae |
| 00:45.26 | Shadow_7 | also 32 bit |
| 00:45.40 | wewlad | but not 3.16 |
| 00:45.49 | wewlad | so it's probably the kernel update that broke wifi |
| 00:45.57 | wewlad | well, semi-broke |
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| 00:46.12 | wewlad | because wifi worked, I just didn't know I can't use wicd/n-m |
| 00:46.13 | dvs | wewlad: Or you didn't get the firmware that goes with that kernel. |
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| 00:46.24 | wewlad | dvs: may be. what do I do now? |
| 00:47.01 | dvs | wewlad: apt-get -t jessie-backports install firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-linux-free |
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| 00:50.14 | fender0107401 | I got a message that say Ian is gone. |
| 00:50.22 | fender0107401 | It is real? |
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| 00:51.07 | Logg | fender0107401: looks that way #debian-offtopic |
| 00:51.49 | wewlad | dvs: should I use 'main' or something like 'main contrib non-free' after jessie-backports in sources.list? |
| 00:52.01 | dvs | wewlad: yes |
| 00:52.09 | wewlad | dvs: yes what? just main? |
| 00:52.18 | dvs | wewlad: all of them |
| 00:52.26 | dvs | main contrib non-free |
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| 00:54.37 | mip | does anyone know if the late rant on @imurdock is made by ian himself, or was the account hacked instead? |
| 00:54.51 | cra1g321 | mip Please take discussion of Ian Murdock to #debian-offtopic , Thanks. |
| 00:54.54 | dvs | mip: #debian-offtopic |
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| 01:04.44 | wewlad | yay!!! 'rfkill list wifi' no longer says hard blocked! |
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| 01:06.34 | wewlad | weird, 'iwlist wlan0 scan' says no scan results :( |
| 01:07.03 | wewlad | 'ifconfig' says wlan0 is up :( |
| 01:07.50 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: iwlist wlan0 scanning |
| 01:07.57 | wewlad | same result |
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| 01:08.36 | wewlad | maybe I should reboot... |
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| 01:09.04 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: perhaps... could be signal strength... could be wlan0 isn't up, although probably wouldn't get that far if it was |
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| 01:09.13 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: check dmesg for firmware mentions |
| 01:09.28 | wewlad | no, not signal strength, I'm sitting at the very same place where I booted it to livecd and it saw lots of nets |
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| 01:09.41 | wewlad | ifconfig said wlan0 is up, so |
| 01:10.13 | wewlad | rebooted, wlan0 is down |
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| 01:11.05 | wewlad | Shadow_7: should I just 'ifup wlan0 && iwlist wlan0 scanning'? |
| 01:11.28 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: that or ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 01:11.55 | Shadow_7 | check dmesg after up |
| 01:12.17 | wewlad | I did the above and it says: 'ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0 wlan0 interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down' |
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| 01:13.08 | wewlad | 'ifconfig wlan0 up' results into: SIOCSIFFLAGS operation not permitted because of RF-kill |
| 01:13.21 | mentis | http://superuser.com/questions/1019728/openvpn-part-of-the-subnet-is-unavaliable |
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| 01:17.18 | wewlad | Shadow_7: 'dmesg' says: http://paste.debian.net/357735/ |
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| 01:18.47 | wewlad | hm, I also see ACPI Warnings: SystemIO range 0x000...428-0x00...42F conflicts with OpRegion 0x000...400-0x000...47F (\PMBA) (20150619/utaddress-256) |
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| 01:19.02 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: AR2425 might google on that for folks with related issues (and solutions) |
| 01:19.05 | wewlad | and 2 similar ones about (\GPIO) |
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| 01:24.24 | popnfloss | just read ian murdocks final tweets |
| 01:24.25 | popnfloss | jesus christ |
| 01:24.39 | quux | yeah |
| 01:24.41 | quux | it's fucked up |
| 01:24.43 | cra1g321 | popnfloss Please take discussion of Ian Murdock to #debian-offtopic , Thanks. |
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| 01:25.21 | popnfloss | he rm -rf'd himself |
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| 01:30.33 | beepie | popnfloss, trolling? |
| 01:30.39 | beepie | popnfloss, maybe a little too far |
| 01:30.40 | beepie | !ops popnfloss |
| 01:30.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: beepie complains about: popnfloss |
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| 01:31.52 | jelly | comes, !ops, leaves |
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| 01:33.09 | wewlad | lol, now the hardware slider button changes 'soft blocked' |
| 01:33.19 | wewlad | but 'hard blocked' is still 'yes' |
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| 01:34.17 | wewlad | I've found someone having wifi problem with kali on the very same netbook as I have https://forums.kali.org/showthread.php?20016-Kali-Atheros-AR5007EG-Connection-problem |
| 01:34.22 | wewlad | the issue is unresolved :( |
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| 01:35.03 | wewlad | I don't want to reinstall debian, but if wifi works fine in livecd of debian, is there a way to downgrade kernel or something? |
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| 01:36.26 | wewlad | well, that guy's wifi actually sees networks but fails to connect |
| 01:36.48 | Strife89 | Quick question: how safe/advisable is it to run update-grub from inside an OS that's on the target HDD? |
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| 01:37.57 | Strife89 | I just need to change the UUIDs grub is pointing to (right now, the one to boot my distro is pointing to a partition that no longer exists). |
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| 01:38.25 | JohnnyL | what exactly are these huge files for? http://pastebin.com/WfC9AL9X |
| 01:38.29 | bazhang | sudo blkid Strife89 |
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| 01:39.31 | Strife89 | bazhang: Right. I could manually edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg with the new UUIDs it lists but I'm lazy. :P |
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| 01:40.05 | wewlad | JohnnyL: those are devices, shm is shared memory |
| 01:40.09 | Strife89 | I've double-checked, though; all my current UUIDs are definitely different from what that config file lists. |
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| 01:40.29 | wewlad | JohnnyL: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/what-is-devshm-and-its-practical-usage.html |
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| 01:41.59 | Strife89 | Welp, steeled myself, ran sudo update-grub, checked config file. Everything looks golden. |
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| 01:44.57 | JohnnyL | how can disk storage be effecient at speeding up things in ram? |
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| 01:47.50 | groceryheist | heading to bed soon. See ya in a couple day |
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| 01:53.13 | linux_dream | so i've heard the father of debian died :/ |
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| 01:54.31 | JohnnyL | Ian, RIP. |
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| 02:07.00 | lotsoftuna | Hi, how can I update Debian 8's linux kernel to 4.0+\ |
| 02:07.10 | lotsoftuna | the version available is 3.1.something |
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| 02:19.06 | thieh | lotsoftuna: perhaps dist-upgrade to testing/stretch? testing/stretch uses 4.3.3 IIRC |
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| 02:20.23 | Shadow_7 | lotsoftuna: kernel-package and make-kpkg... or backports |
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| 02:21.12 | Shadow_7 | running 4.1.6 on my jessie atm |
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| 02:23.09 | EvilPenguin | RIP Ian Murdock. |
| 02:23.11 | EvilPenguin | sad day |
| 02:23.37 | lotsoftuna | ah yes |
| 02:23.39 | lotsoftuna | backports sorry |
| 02:24.06 | lotsoftuna | it's more cause Something in the kernel fixes laptop function keys |
| 02:24.10 | lotsoftuna | but only after 4.1+ |
| 02:24.28 | lotsoftuna | arch is built on debian...? |
| 02:24.45 | Shadow_7 | 3.19 for me for the touchpad... plus the wifi driver works more stably with newer kernels |
| 02:25.07 | lotsoftuna | hm |
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| 02:25.17 | linux_dream | arch isn't built on debian lotsoftuna |
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| 02:25.21 | lotsoftuna | The default LXDE is so kinda... ugly |
| 02:25.31 | lotsoftuna | the one that comes with stock Debian Live CD |
| 02:25.34 | awal1 | How I can use 'apt-listchanges' for show changes made in X pack after that pack is upgraded? I know it shows changes durring upgrades but I want call it after, as user :) |
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| 02:26.30 | lotsoftuna | https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/laptops/sony-laptop.txt |
| 02:26.31 | lotsoftuna | Bingo |
| 02:26.39 | lotsoftuna | But how can I check if it's included in the kernel |
| 02:26.42 | lotsoftuna | I mena, it's on the site |
| 02:26.50 | lotsoftuna | but does that mean it's included in the kernel? |
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| 02:32.33 | lotsoftuna | wait WHAT |
| 02:32.36 | lotsoftuna | the Ian thing was real? |
| 02:32.39 | lotsoftuna | holy shit |
| 02:32.47 | Logg | yes, use #debian-offtopic to discuss it. |
| 02:32.51 | lotsoftuna | that's really dark... ok |
| 02:33.02 | Shadow_7 | awal1: apt-listchanges --all /var/cache/apt/archives/<package>.deb |
| 02:34.02 | rsync | oh shit... |
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| 02:34.22 | rsync | RIP IAN, Thx for Debian! |
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| 02:35.08 | rsync | how is he died? |
| 02:35.22 | cra1g321 | rsync , Please take discussion of Ian Murdock to #debian-offtopic , Thanks. |
| 02:36.02 | lotsoftuna | Okay... http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/SONY_LAPTOP.html |
| 02:36.25 | lotsoftuna | So, there's some sort of config for Sony Laptops in Kernel 3+, but how come my Fn keys don't work in Debian 8 then |
| 02:36.45 | lotsoftuna | And I'm just talking about from the Live CD, I wanna make sure I can configure the Fn Keys to work before installin gDEbian |
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| 02:39.37 | awal1 | Shadow_7: ok, thanks :) I'll check what I can find there |
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| 02:55.18 | jpinx | looking for a solution - possibly a headless browser - to get a highly scripted webpage into a html file, but I can not find any soltions within stable. Any clues/pointers please? |
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| 02:57.40 | Shadow_7 | jpinx: when I was coding there was code with a link you could insert into the page to view the html generated by the javascript |
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| 03:01.47 | Shadow_7 | jpinx: I would imagine a browser plugin or other thing these days. |
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| 03:06.33 | jpinx | Shadow_7: thanks -- I was hoping for something that would do "wget" and pass it through a java engine to create the DOM as if by a "real" browser |
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| 03:07.01 | Shadow_7 | jpinx: not sure what node.js and friends does. perhaps? |
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| 03:07.59 | jpinx | Shadow_7: nice pointer -- thanks :) |
| 03:08.00 | Shadow_7 | might be hard to come by since the content sent can be dependent on the browser version string sent the server |
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| 03:20.16 | italks | Why nobody knows Ian Murdock's death |
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| 03:20.55 | Devastator | italks I advise you to discuss this in #debian-offtopic |
| 03:21.14 | thieh | Because... privacy rights? |
| 03:21.30 | malco_2001 | italks it's in the channel topic to join #debian-offtopic |
| 03:22.33 | no-se | italks: good question |
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| 03:24.42 | no-se | and i wish people here should honor him |
| 03:24.57 | no-se | or at least be informed what happened |
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| 03:26.09 | jvava | hi |
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| 03:26.18 | thieh | hello |
| 03:26.19 | Uranio | really Ian is dead? |
| 03:26.46 | Devastator | Uranio could you please talk about this in #debian-offtopic ? |
| 03:26.47 | Resilience | hello my /home partititon disk has remounted to ro, how Can I remount it with rw state without restarting the system? |
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| 03:27.01 | Uranio | Devastator: shure, sorry |
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| 03:27.56 | no-se | Uranio: its on the news... monday night, apparently. |
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| 03:28.23 | thieh | Resilience: Is something stopping you from unmounting it and remounting it with rw? |
| 03:28.55 | Resilience | thieh, uh... never have donde that, Can I do it with all th eprogramas running? |
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| 03:29.53 | thieh | Resilience: I'd suppose if something is using resources in it umount will complain, then close those progs accordingly |
| 03:30.59 | kisisten | hi, anyone here has amavis working in jessie or wheezy, I can't get the injection of spam tags to appear in the headers |
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| 03:37.49 | roylaprattep | Someone have experience with Logwatch ? I have a question, is it possible to have bigger font in HTML email view ? |
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| 03:39.59 | allorder_ | roylaprattep: ctrl + ? |
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| 03:40.26 | roylaprattep | allorder_: That will make everything bigger, it's ugly... |
| 03:40.53 | roylaprattep | I only want to touch the email itself, not all my Chrome broswer view. |
| 03:41.38 | A|an | how do you "deinstall" a dpkg installtion? |
| 03:42.18 | roylaprattep | apt-get remove |
| 03:42.29 | A|an | tried that |
| 03:42.32 | roylaprattep | apt-get --pyrge remove (to delete all config files) |
| 03:42.39 | roylaprattep | --purge* |
| 03:42.53 | A|an | let me see if that'll work |
| 03:42.54 | roylaprattep | dpkg -r is the same. |
| 03:42.55 | dpkg | removes is the same. along with a pound of flesh from roylaprattep's body, then staples roylaprattep back up with a staple gun. |
| 03:43.02 | zykotick9 | "apt-get purge foo" will also work = less typing |
| 03:43.26 | zykotick9 | "apt purge foo" is even more new-school ;) |
| 03:43.35 | A|an | for example... |
| 03:43.37 | roylaprattep | I am oldschool. ;) |
| 03:43.38 | A|an | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 03:43.38 | A|an | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.38 | A|an | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.57 | A|an | and i've changed my mind about i nstalling that broken crap |
| 03:44.00 | roylaprattep | apt-get -t install |
| 03:44.02 | roylaprattep | try this |
| 03:44.11 | roylaprattep | no worry |
| 03:44.12 | roylaprattep | wait |
| 03:44.15 | roylaprattep | sorry* |
| 03:44.34 | Shadow_7 | more like... apt-get remove --purge <package> |
| 03:44.52 | A|an | (i've been throughh this before, in the dim past, and forgot the solution) |
| 03:44.54 | Shadow_7 | but probably need... apt-get -f install |
| 03:45.02 | Shadow_7 | to fix the system to a stable state first |
| 03:45.03 | roylaprattep | apt-get -f install |
| 03:45.05 | roylaprattep | try this |
| 03:45.19 | roylaprattep | like Shadow_7 said too |
| 03:45.23 | A|an | yeah, i really hesitated to do that, but... |
| 03:45.38 | A|an | let me see |
| 03:45.41 | roylaprattep | Don't hesitate. It tells you, do it. |
| 03:46.09 | Shadow_7 | I tend towards older ways... dpkg --purge --force-all <package> |
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| 03:46.28 | roylaprattep | apt-get --purge is the same. well. |
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| 03:46.41 | Shadow_7 | But that's normally the clear up the non-ii's from $ dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii |
| 03:47.07 | A|an | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 03:47.07 | A|an | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.07 | A|an | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 03:47.07 | A|an | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:47.23 | roylaprattep | Hehe. |
| 03:47.30 | roylaprattep | Boom. |
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| 03:47.43 | A|an | i knew that would happen... |
| 03:47.56 | A|an | anyway...that worked...and I demurred from continuing installing |
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| 03:47.59 | A|an | thanks! |
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| 03:48.21 | Shadow_7 | The dpkg route doesn't grab any of the deps, but tells you about them. And mildly more useful if you don't want to purge the extras and otherwinse intend a reinstall of said package. |
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| 03:49.05 | roylaprattep | A|an: Now you can try "apt-get --purge remove package" |
| 03:49.32 | A|an | yes, just to be thorough |
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| 03:50.22 | pitchfork | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7aa_1451521842 |
| 03:50.48 | A|an | yes, thanks for the suggest, roylaprattep...it didn't to be down |
| 03:51.13 | A|an | pity about raptorchess...it was a hellava thang back when it worked |
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| 03:51.21 | A|an | anyway, thanks again |
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| 03:51.42 | Shadow_7 | A|an: you could just ar -x it and try to run the binary without actually installing it |
| 03:51.58 | A|an | (let me fix that: it needed to be done <jesus>) |
| 03:52.34 | A|an | No, they've evidently had a rogue element screw up their project |
| 03:52.45 | A|an | I guess it's toast for the time being |
| 03:53.01 | roylaprattep | So, for my questiom, no way to enlarge HTML font in Logwatch config ? |
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| 04:05.25 | incal | I did aptitude dist-upgrade and the Unicode chars in the ttys broke. ideas? |
| 04:05.46 | incal | perhaps some pack fell off |
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| 04:07.50 | Shadow_7 | incal: or LANG or LC_TYPE changed |
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| 04:09.23 | asarch | I start the new cluster with: pg_createcluster --locale en_US.UTF-8 --start 9.4 main and then I change its access methods at postgresql.conf and pg_hba.conf and then I restart it with: service postgresql restart |
| 04:09.25 | incal | Shadow_7: LC_TYPE isn't set, LANG is en_US.UTF-8 |
| 04:09.39 | asarch | But pg_lscluster now shows that the main cluster is down, why? |
| 04:10.09 | incal | Shadow_7: I'm fine with it being the old anglo-american, just want the chars to work - doesn't UTF-8 include the Latin-1 set? |
| 04:10.10 | asarch | In spite of that ps ax | grep postgres shows all the running processes |
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| 04:10.46 | asarch | I can't even access from LAN |
| 04:11.59 | asarch | If I do: service postgresql stop it doesn't stops the cluster |
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| 04:16.55 | asarch | service postgresql restart puts down the main cluster |
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| 04:20.23 | Shadow_7 | incal: depends on the font in use |
| 04:21.36 | asarch | "service postgresql restart" seems to be now deprecated, right? |
| 04:21.37 | blind | incal: ohhhh that's what did it! I have the same issue, I forgot I did a dist-upgrade |
| 04:21.40 | asarch | D'oh! |
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| 04:25.58 | venkat_330 | root@vortex:~# debootstrap --arch i386 squeeze /debian6 file:/mnt/deb6cd1 |
| 04:25.58 | venkat_330 | I: Retrieving Release |
| 04:25.58 | venkat_330 | I: Retrieving Release.gpg |
| 04:25.58 | venkat_330 | E: Failed getting release signature file file:/mnt/deb6cd1/dists/squeeze/Release.gpg |
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| 04:28.52 | venkat_330 | debbootstrap is failing: root@vortex:~# debootstrap --arch i386 squeeze /debian6 file:/mnt/deb6cd1 |
| 04:29.02 | venkat_330 | I: Retrieving Release :: I: Retrieving Release.gpg :: E: Failed getting release signature file file:/mnt/deb6cd1/dists/squeeze/Release.gpg |
| 04:29.20 | blind | venkat_330: well, is that file there? |
| 04:29.44 | venkat_330 | Nope i mounted the ISO and lcated the path but hte file is not there.. |
| 04:30.08 | venkat_330 | blind: I am trying to install from iso image |
| 04:30.27 | venkat_330 | mount /opt/debian-6.0.1a-i386-DVD-1.iso /mnt/deb6cd1 -o loop |
| 04:32.44 | blind | Are you following a guide that says to do that? I'm not sure if you can debootstrap off the install iso. |
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| 04:33.44 | Shadow_7 | you can install... then copy all the .deb's in the /pool/ paths to /var/cache/apt/archives and mostly discard the discs |
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| 04:34.59 | coquelards | hi all I just installed debian on encrypted /, i made a /boot partition and converted an ntfs partition to EFI partition, it installed but now I can't boot on linux, my motherboard boot list put a mirrored "N" sign like the russian letter and when I try to boot on it nothing happens, any idea ? |
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| 04:36.56 | venkat_330 | Shadow_7: ??? |
| 04:37.11 | venkat_330 | blind: I am following "http://wiki.soekris.info/Installing_Ubuntu_7.04_Server_via_debootstrap" |
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| 04:38.23 | Shadow_7 | venkat_330: you might need an extra mount. The actual disc files might be in a squashfs under the -o loop -ageness |
| 04:39.05 | Shadow_7 | although I've only every done debootstrap over a network |
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| 04:39.53 | Shadow_7 | venkat_330: at a min you might need to use debootstrap version-age from the .iso image |
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| 04:43.58 | shingouz | venkat_330: /msg dpkg debootstrap . the links there might help you, it is possible that the instructions for ubuntu are completely different from what debian actually needs |
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| 04:45.21 | thieh | 7.04? That's ancient.... |
| 04:46.21 | incal | blind: isn't stuff supposed to get better when you upgrade? |
| 04:47.11 | Shadow_7 | depends... security holes get fixed. But sometimes you lose a lot of apps. gftp, pornview, ... ... ... |
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| 04:48.56 | Legi0n | D: D: Ian Murdoch :( :( |
| 04:49.15 | blind | incal: heh. well.. let me know if you fix it lol. |
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| 04:55.28 | synth | echo -e "Package: imurdock\nPin: version 20**\nPin-Priority: 1001" | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/imurdock.pinned #IanMurdockRIPecho -e "Package: imurdock\nPin: version 20**\nPin-Priority: 1001" | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/imurdock.pinned #IanMurdockRIP |
| 04:55.47 | synth | ooops, pasted twice. a bit of a memorial. |
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| 04:57.46 | AlwaysHi- | killall -u "$username" is this a reliable way to kill all users processes? |
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| 05:03.00 | MarconM | policenatmp: |
| 05:03.10 | reev | RIP Ian Sir |
| 05:04.01 | reev | Big loss to whole linux community |
| 05:06.29 | CeBe | AlwaysHi-: as long as you have permission to do so, yes |
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| 05:07.40 | swift110-phone | Hey |
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| 05:19.02 | TMitBee | I wanted to express my deep condolences to the Debian community, on the passing away of Ian Murdock, founder of the Debian distro. It is a grievous loss when a major contributor to world technology and/or culture departs. |
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| 05:21.35 | swift110-phone | Yes i second that |
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| 05:26.41 | venkat_330 | shingouz: Yeah will try that.. |
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| 05:27.48 | TMitBee | We shall honor Ian Murdock's loving memory if we keep the technology in freedom of use, free from the shackles of proprietary schemes, and we keep it open source, as the essence of free technology is. Then the avenues of local and world commerce may grow lined with the strong oaks of Freedom. |
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| 05:30.35 | helaughsatfear | +1 |
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| 05:38.18 | venkat_330 | Yeah. +1 |
| 05:39.42 | macslayer | +1, too |
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| 05:39.55 | macslayer | Your quote inspired me to unintall Google Chrome. |
| 05:40.09 | macslayer | My wife might be upset, since that means that she'll no longer be able to watch Netflix on my desktop. |
| 05:40.21 | macslayer | That's the ONE reason that I would ever not use Iceweasel. |
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| 05:42.00 | macslayer | So, I've had an issue recently. For some reason, Polari has been having connection issues. |
| 05:42.15 | macslayer | For example, right now I can't connect to irc.gnome.org (any channels), but can connect to this channel on Freenode. |
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| 05:51.47 | sean1 | hello all. I have an OS image that's .img.xz and I'm trying to write it to a USB drive. Do I use xzcat -d OS.img.xz | sudo dd of=/dev/sdb bs=1M or something more? What I'm trying doesn't actually seem to be working on the other machine. |
| 05:53.51 | sean1 | maybe I need to use unxz |
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| 06:43.22 | Spotify | $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure popcorn |
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| 06:43.43 | Spotify | Participate in Package Popular Corntest? |
| 06:43.46 | Spotify | [No] |
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| 06:52.56 | Fatar | wtf |
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| 07:15.28 | wizbit | R.I.P. Ian Murdock |
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| 07:26.57 | hiexpo | hola |
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| 07:44.50 | pagios | hello, how did ian die? |
| 07:45.18 | rww | non-support stuff to #debian-offtopic please |
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| 07:56.09 | tumbler | i am very sorry for the passing of Ian Murdok |
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| 07:59.59 | Spotify | Hey |
| 08:00.26 | Spotify | How can I let GRUB retain it's menu's background image along with the framebuffer it has set to the linux console? |
| 08:00.46 | DrakkenWarr | are you talking about during boot? |
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| 08:01.41 | Spotify | No |
| 08:02.01 | Spotify | Like, I set the GRUB_BACKGROUND and I want that background image to retain after the menu and into the linux's console |
| 08:02.06 | Spotify | So, in ttys |
| 08:02.10 | Spotify | and during boot, yes |
| 08:02.13 | Spotify | also |
| 08:02.17 | DrakkenWarr | what distro? |
| 08:02.24 | Spotify | Debian, obviously |
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| 08:02.46 | DrakkenWarr | had to ask.. I am on a mint box and an LFS box atm |
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| 08:03.24 | Hydroxide | Spotify: you'd be surprised, people do seek support here for other distros (and we redirect them to appropriate places - here is appropriate only for Debian) |
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| 08:03.49 | DrakkenWarr | aye have been here for over 9 years now and that has never changed Hydroxide |
| 08:03.50 | Spotify | orly |
| 08:04.08 | DrakkenWarr | aye still have the #! hoody y'all cannot get anymore :D |
| 08:04.44 | Hydroxide | Spotify: yeah. my theory is they're usually running a debian derivative that didn't change the IRC clients' defaults so it joins #debian somewhere :) though that's more common on irc.debian.org aka OFTC than here. anyway... I'll shut up now with the off-topic chatter, back to your question |
| 08:04.45 | DrakkenWarr | was diehard for #! before chrome jumped ship. I stay here for the peeps |
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| 08:05.19 | DrakkenWarr | naw, you are find Hydroxide, this tis the off-topic channel |
| 08:05.29 | DrakkenWarr | fine.. damned auto correct |
| 08:05.30 | Spotify | facepalms |
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| 08:07.23 | jiggawattz | MURDOCK |
| 08:07.27 | jiggawattz | why'd you do it man??!!?! |
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| 08:07.34 | jiggawattz | :,( |
| 08:07.38 | DrakkenWarr | what mod's did you make to grub.d in the /etc folder? |
| 08:07.38 | jiggawattz | :,,,,,,,,,,,,( |
| 08:07.40 | ryonaloli_ | jiggawattz: he actually did it, the absolute madman! |
| 08:07.59 | rww | non-support chat to #debian-offtopic, please |
| 08:08.01 | DrakkenWarr | O_o? |
| 08:08.24 | DrakkenWarr | ah no, this channel is the all things debian-esk channel |
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| 08:08.32 | DrakkenWarr | da fuck are you rww? |
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| 08:08.56 | rww | DrakkenWarr: someone who can read the first four words in the /topic, apparently |
| 08:09.15 | DrakkenWarr | yeah.. that means fuck all for years man |
| 08:09.37 | DrakkenWarr | we have always helped those with debian issues, distro or not |
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| 08:10.04 | DrakkenWarr | go to fuckin bunsen labs if you want to be an upstart fucktard |
| 08:10.14 | Logg | o dang |
| 08:10.14 | Hydroxide | DrakkenWarr: he's right - non-support chatter goes elsewhere when the conversation goes on more than briefly or keeps recurring with different people, so as to keep this channel free for support |
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| 08:10.41 | ordinal | is there a good reference for removing (proprietary or otherwise) nvidia drivers, such as apt-get remove --purge nvidia-*, if i want to install the latest driver directly from nvidia for my 960? |
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| 08:10.50 | Hydroxide | and don't insult people here. (only did +q temporarily, it will expire later) |
| 08:10.54 | ordinal | i'm afraid that just purging everything that matches nvidia- might be the wrong thing to do there. |
| 08:11.00 | RudyValencia | hey sorry to hear about Ian Murdock :( |
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| 08:12.13 | LucaTM | Hello everyone! :) |
| 08:12.36 | Hydroxide | RudyValencia: we are too, if you want to discuss further, please go to #debian-offtopic as per /topic |
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| 08:13.39 | FIVE5 | hi |
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| 08:14.30 | Logg | hi |
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| 08:19.03 | BlenderPro | I have a question, I know is safe to eject flash drives with my current settings in windows 7 but is it safe to just remove the usb drive in debian with its default cache settings? |
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| 09:18.52 | danieli | may ian rest in peace.. my condolences. |
| 09:19.42 | ChrisH | Did I understand logrotate man page correct, it is not possible to handle app-log.2015-12-29, app-log.2015-12-30 files? |
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| 09:31.26 | jelly | ChrisH: those look already rotated |
| 09:32.17 | Jaga-Jaga | Im having trouble with GnuPG , it doesnt see the keys but the keys are there |
| 09:34.20 | ChrisH | jelly: the application does create them. There is a way to prevent that. Looks like my understanding is correct. |
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| 09:37.55 | testpil0t | Jaga-Jaga, does --list-secret-keys give any results? |
| 09:38.03 | testpil0t | or are you talking about pub-keys? |
| 09:38.11 | testpil0t | can you specifiy your problem a bit more? |
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| 09:47.14 | intheworld | hi everyone |
| 09:47.18 | intheworld | please help me |
| 09:48.05 | bazhang | with what |
| 09:48.07 | intheworld | i installed debian 8 but it's wifi does not work even network card did not find in that |
| 09:48.29 | bazhang | usb or pci |
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| 09:48.35 | intheworld | i have searched in google but i could not solve my problem |
| 09:49.04 | intheworld | bazhang : wifi on laptop with rtl8723be |
| 09:50.06 | bazhang | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.34 | intheworld | pci |
| 09:50.57 | bazhang | is there a 8 character code for it |
| 09:51.05 | bazhang | lspci |
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| 09:51.56 | eclectichedgehog | intheworld: firmware-realtek package (non-free) |
| 09:52.36 | bazhang | ,v firmware-realtek |
| 09:52.37 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20151207-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20151207-1; stretch/non-free: 20151207-1 |
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| 09:53.07 | intheworld | eclectichedgehog : i dont have net on debian how do i download them ? |
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| 09:53.37 | bazhang | this bot has some id checker for such, I forgot the syntax |
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| 09:54.22 | eclectichedgehog | intheworld: packages.debian.org |
| 09:54.41 | intheworld | eclectichedgehog : https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-realtek ? |
| 09:54.51 | eclectichedgehog | download from there and transfer to your system |
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| 09:55.07 | eclectichedgehog | go to the site provided and search for package |
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| 09:55.30 | intheworld | eclectichedgehog : after downloading them how do i install them ? |
| 09:56.13 | eclectichedgehog | just do a dpkg -i <package name> from the command line |
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| 09:56.32 | intheworld | thats right |
| 09:57.52 | Cabanossi | Ohhh RIP :/ |
| 09:57.52 | intheworld | graphic driver is important for debian or not ? |
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| 09:58.26 | eclectichedgehog | intheworld: only if you need graphics :) |
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| 09:59.25 | intheworld | eclectichedgehog : i work with android-studio and emulator on linux does it need to graphic driver ? |
| 09:59.43 | eclectichedgehog | intheworld: no idea |
| 10:00.24 | jelly | ChrisH: yeah. What would you want logrotate to do? We usually deal with such apps using two cron jobs, one for compression, one for deletion of old files |
| 10:00.47 | eclectichedgehog | intheworld: if you have a non working network card the try the firmware-linux package too |
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| 10:07.23 | muggedmelon | Anyone here? |
| 10:07.33 | deniz1a | no |
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| 10:07.52 | muggedmelon | ok then haha |
| 10:09.27 | muggedmelon | Does anybody here know how to get GQRX to work properly under Debian Jessie? |
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| 10:10.07 | ChrisH | jelly: I would have logrotate delete the old files. I will modify the application to write into a file without date extenstion and have logrotate make the rest. |
| 10:10.11 | testpil0t | muggedmelon, what doesnt work properly? |
| 10:10.43 | muggedmelon | GQRX, a software defined radio package. |
| 10:11.01 | muggedmelon | gqrx-sdr is the package name i think |
| 10:11.14 | testpil0t | yes. What does not work on jessie? |
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| 10:11.36 | muggedmelon | The actual program. It does not launch |
| 10:11.55 | testpil0t | did you compile it yourself? |
| 10:12.06 | testpil0t | is there anything in the logs? |
| 10:12.21 | muggedmelon | no, i just installed the .deb package |
| 10:13.13 | testpil0t | Maybe try compiling it yourself |
| 10:13.20 | testpil0t | the .deb packages are for ubuntu, right? |
| 10:13.24 | muggedmelon | Ok, will do. Thank you |
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| 10:14.16 | testpil0t | Maybe this will help. Other than that: Maybe start it with strace to see where it crashes |
| 10:14.21 | testpil0t | if there are really no logs |
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| 10:25.56 | intheworld | hi again |
| 10:26.06 | testpil0t | hai |
| 10:26.56 | intheworld | i installe firmware-realtek non-free but my problem did not solved |
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| 10:27.30 | eclectichedgehog | intheworld: if you have a non working network card the try the firmware-linux package too |
| 10:27.31 | intheworld | installed* |
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| 10:30.55 | eclectichedgehog | intheworld: is your wifi card usb or internal? |
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| 10:32.18 | intheworld | eclectichedgehog : internal |
| 10:33.48 | ChrisH | intheworld: Did you do some config work on the installed box? If not I would consinder reinstalling using the firmware-non-offical netinst images |
| 10:33.58 | eclectichedgehog | try a lspci | grep net |
| 10:34.06 | eclectichedgehog | sorry |
| 10:34.12 | eclectichedgehog | try a lspci | grep Net |
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| 10:34.20 | Furai | Is it possible to reload kernel on the go? Without rebooting? |
| 10:34.40 | eclectichedgehog | intheworld: it should show something hopefully |
| 10:35.01 | intheworld | thats right |
| 10:35.19 | intheworld | i am goint to debian and test |
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| 10:37.54 | umask7771 | Farewell ian! |
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| 10:42.54 | gr8 | when I play a youtube video, it always sets my system volume to max. Browser is QupZilla, desktop is XFCE. any ideas what I can do about this? |
| 10:43.35 | testpil0t | Do you play using Flash or HTML5? |
| 10:43.48 | testpil0t | does it happen with other browsers too? |
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| 10:48.19 | gr8 | doesn't happen with firefox/iceweasel. I don't have flash, just HTML5 |
| 10:50.02 | eclectichedgehog | gr8: maybe something to do with webkit |
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| 10:51.07 | gr8 | the problem is that iceweasel crashes sometimes without any obvious reason on my system |
| 10:51.14 | gr8 | that's why I use an alternative browser |
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| 10:52.04 | eclectichedgehog | gr8: always pays to have two browsers with different rendering engines i think |
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| 10:52.36 | gr8 | except when both don't work correctly ;) |
| 10:52.47 | eclectichedgehog | yeah thats a bummer |
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| 10:53.45 | intheworld | eclectichedgehog : i runed lspci | grep Net and then it shows me : 06:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter |
| 10:54.15 | eclectichedgehog | intheworld: thats good |
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| 10:54.47 | morf | gr8: isn't it something around pulseaudio? |
| 10:54.48 | intheworld | eclectichedgehog : do you think it will work ? |
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| 10:55.01 | morf | gr8: there are some issue around setting the audio to the full |
| 10:55.12 | eclectichedgehog | morf: pulseaudio grrrrr |
| 10:55.12 | morf | well it's just misconfiguration really |
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| 10:55.23 | morf | don't kill the messenger |
| 10:55.24 | morf | ;) |
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| 10:55.57 | eclectichedgehog | intheworld: it will probably work but you will need other packages |
| 10:56.21 | eclectichedgehog | intheworld: to get wireless working |
| 10:56.35 | jelly | gr8: open pavucontrol, Playback tab. Then open a html5 video and let it start playing. Do you see the browser process appear in pavucontrol? |
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| 10:57.23 | intheworld | eclectichedgehog : i wanted install firmware-linux but it throws an error : dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of firmware-linux: |
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| 10:58.04 | gr8 | jelly: I see "CubebUtils: Audiostream" with the iceweasel icon. It's set to 20% |
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| 10:58.34 | eclectichedgehog | intheworld: apt-get -f install usually sorts that out but without a network connection that could be difficult... |
| 10:58.39 | jelly | gr8: move the slides a bit and see if that's your QupZilla |
| 10:58.43 | jelly | slider* |
| 10:58.49 | gr8 | yeah, it is the right one |
| 10:58.54 | gr8 | ehm, firefox |
| 10:59.04 | gr8 | you mean I should do that for QupZilla? |
| 10:59.15 | eclectichedgehog | intheworld: see what it complains about and search for it at debian packages |
| 10:59.21 | jelly | gr8: the one that brings the volume way up |
| 10:59.23 | eclectichedgehog | intheworld: ah hold on |
| 10:59.31 | intheworld | eclectichedgehog : i go to debian now and test with firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 11:00.38 | gr8 | jelly: uhm it didn't bring up the volume this time ?! |
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| 11:00.58 | gr8 | now I have QupZilla: Playback Stream in pavucontrol |
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| 11:01.31 | jelly | gr8: right. If you set the volume in pavucontrol, pulseaudio _should_ remember it for the next time the same app plays some sound |
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| 11:02.09 | gr8 | ok, we'll see thanks |
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| 11:15.11 | tatcher | hi all i installed debian but after the installation finished it won't boot to debian or grub, in the boot menu the only new entry added after the installation is a japanese character, but when i try to boot on it Nothing happens |
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| 11:17.29 | evilman_work | tatcher: you can enter to grub shell, and create the boot entry in the runtime, and boot it. |
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| 11:19.03 | tatcher | evilman_work: how to create the boot entry in the runtime, and boot it once in grub line command ? |
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| 11:20.40 | well_laid_lawn | tatcher: do you still have the live cd in the tray ? |
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| 11:22.56 | tatcher | well_laid_lawn: i installed from usb yes it's still in but i should at least be able to boot from uefi boot menu no ? |
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| 11:24.02 | well_laid_lawn | tatcher: if you pick the right device and grun installed ok it should boot |
| 11:24.24 | well_laid_lawn | s/grun/grub/ |
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| 11:26.07 | tatcher | the only boot entry i got from installing debian is a japanese character, when i try to boot on it it does noithing |
| 11:27.06 | tatcher | visualBCD says this entry is named debian tho but at uefi it's a japanese character |
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| 11:27.15 | well_laid_lawn | I take it you're not japanese |
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| 11:29.06 | eclectichedgehog | tatcher: you could try downloading rescatux super grub disk and using that |
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| 11:31.10 | m1nty | :< hi |
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| 11:36.37 | tatcher | a book or a website to understand how this whole thing work, i've been strggling with this for 2days now why is it so hard to setup a dual boot with new technology new gpt new efi new everything and can't install debian, maybe i should try another distrib |
| 11:37.18 | inthe | i could not connect to network on debian after this comman : nano /etc/network/interfaces i only see "iface lo inet loopback " |
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| 11:38.26 | eclectichedgehog | inthe: did you install firmware-linux-nonfree? |
| 11:39.00 | inthe | eclectichedgehog : yes i did |
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| 11:39.12 | Pymous | tatcher : What is the issue ? How is it related to Debian ? Some infos would be nice :D |
| 11:39.22 | eclectichedgehog | what does lspci | grep Net show now? |
| 11:39.25 | SynrG | inthe: that file doesn't need anything for your interface if network-manager (installed by default with desktop) is handling it |
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| 11:40.44 | inthe | SynrG : my desktop is mate and it does not network-manager because i copied all package of mate installed on virtualbox |
| 11:41.05 | SynrG | Uh? |
| 11:41.36 | SynrG | Several things about that statement are unsettling |
| 11:42.01 | SynrG | !install mate |
| 11:42.01 | dpkg | To install <MATE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install mate-desktop-environment» (for more things, also install mate-desktop-environment-extras). To install using Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "MATE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue". |
| 11:42.08 | inthe | SynrG : i mean , i have installed debian on virtualbox then i installed mate dekstop on it then then i copied files of mate from virtualbox and then install on debian on rally device |
| 11:42.22 | SynrG | inthe: wtf? |
| 11:42.48 | eclectichedgehog | inthe: so you are running it under virtualbox? |
| 11:43.03 | SynrG | "copied the files of" how? |
| 11:43.09 | inthe | no it is running on real device |
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| 11:44.16 | SynrG | This is not a supported install method. I don't think we can support this system if you're just copying individual files from one Debian system to another instead of installing it properly with packages |
| 11:44.30 | tatcher | Pymous : just trying to setup a dual boot on a SSD, I have windows 10 installed on it, 2 days ago the SSD was non-GPT partitioned, installing debian in a non UEFI mode would set grub as default boot but windows 10 wasn't listed in grub boot choices, then I formated the SSD to make it GPT partitioned reinstalled windows and now when I install debian |
| 11:44.30 | tatcher | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.32 | inthe | when you install mate desktop on debian on virtualbox their packages is located in /var/cache/apt/archive |
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| 11:45.16 | eclectichedgehog | SynrG: he has no network connectivity it seems |
| 11:45.24 | tatcher | don't know what to do anymore, what is to be done if you can't boot on debian after installing it lol |
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| 11:45.50 | SynrG | Copying *packages* is fine |
| 11:45.57 | eclectichedgehog | inthe: what does lspci | grep Net show now? |
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| 11:46.03 | SynrG | But not "files of mate" |
| 11:46.26 | SynrG | Which is what was said |
| 11:46.30 | inthe | same befor you saw |
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| 11:46.39 | SynrG | So, sorry i misunderstood |
| 11:46.52 | eclectichedgehog | inthe: so just the wifi card |
| 11:47.00 | inthe | eclectichedgehog : 06:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter |
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| 11:47.10 | eclectichedgehog | inthe: ok |
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| 11:47.15 | tatcher | visualBCD tells me debian is in the loaders but at boot time the UEFI doesn't list "debian" but a japanese character instead |
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| 11:48.01 | eclectichedgehog | you might need to try install firmware-linux-free too - that might pick up the lan adapter |
| 11:48.09 | well_laid_lawn | tatcher: did you make a partition for the uefi boot ? |
| 11:48.33 | inthe | eclectichedgehog : i also installed frimware-linux-free |
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| 11:49.17 | eclectichedgehog | inthe: so you install both free and nonfree linux firmware correct? |
| 11:49.27 | inthe | yes |
| 11:49.29 | SynrG | inthe: pretty sure mate installs network-manager by default too, so if you install that plus network-manager-gnome it will make Wi-Fi setup easier. |
| 11:49.39 | tatcher | well_laid_lawn: yes there is EFI USP partition, it was pre-existing debian installation (it was made by the windows 10 installer) but debian seemed ok with that |
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| 11:50.03 | inthe | oh |
| 11:50.12 | inthe | i thinks it did not install |
| 11:50.13 | eclectichedgehog | inthe: your lan adapter should be showing up by now |
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| 11:50.36 | tatcher | i have a an ssd and an hdd for data, maybe the hdd is messing things up |
| 11:50.50 | well_laid_lawn | tatcher: I'd just do the install again |
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| 11:51.23 | eclectichedgehog | inthe: do a dkpg -l | grep linux-firmware |
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| 11:51.47 | eclectichedgehog | that should confirm install of free and nonfree packages |
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| 11:58.13 | inthe | eclectichedgehog : i should go to debian and test them |
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| 12:01.26 | achylles | could I have some help to set up this wireless card > 02:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042 (rev 30) -> ath10k? I have tried backports, searched a lot in google, installed the newest kernel on debian testing, but not works. 4 days researching on the subject. |
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| 12:01.50 | gr8 | jelly: and... it did NOT remember the sound settings. The volume has been set to about 80% again when starting a video, pavucontrol showed 50% for QupZilla |
| 12:01.53 | Shadow_7 | achylles: apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 12:02.36 | eclectichedgehog | inthe: why dont you reinstall using a debian mate live iso? |
| 12:02.55 | Shadow_7 | achylles: and... apt-get install firmware-atheros |
| 12:02.58 | jelly | gr8: huh, that means the app explicitely ramps it up for some reason |
| 12:03.06 | achylles | I do not have this in my list |
| 12:03.28 | achylles | I do have firmware-atheros which is installed |
| 12:03.38 | inthe | eclectichedgehog : i dont have mate live iso because internet speed is very low |
| 12:03.43 | Shadow_7 | achylles: you need the non-free repos for the firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 12:04.00 | achylles | I have that in my sources.list |
| 12:04.22 | achylles | but, does not show firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 12:04.34 | Shadow_7 | achylles: did you apt-get update ? |
| 12:04.37 | Devastator | ,v firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 12:04.38 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20151207-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20151207-1; stretch/non-free: 20151207-1 |
| 12:04.38 | eclectichedgehog | inthe: what did you use to install mate on virtualbox? |
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| 12:05.12 | inthe | eclectichedgehog : and internet is very expensive in my country for my case one Gig is 3-4$ |
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| 12:05.39 | achylles | yes |
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| 12:06.04 | achylles | Shadow_7, I am using Stretch... |
| 12:07.14 | inthe | eclectichedgehog : i used debian iso but it does not support live |
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| 12:07.55 | eclectichedgehog | inthe: do you mean the debian netinstall iso |
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| 12:08.28 | Shadow_7 | achylles: check dmesg for firmware and other atheros mentions |
| 12:09.02 | achylles | ok. I found and it is installed |
| 12:09.29 | achylles | and also firmware atheros |
| 12:09.35 | SirBogdan | good day :) |
| 12:09.36 | Shadow_7 | achylles: nmtui ? network-managers terminal interface |
| 12:13.25 | achylles | dmesg does not show ath10k |
| 12:13.37 | achylles | it only shows ath9k |
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| 12:14.23 | achylles | And I am using an usb net card, because mine does not work |
| 12:14.55 | achylles | :( |
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| 12:15.37 | achylles | but, when it gets hot the connection stops and I have to reboot the machine... |
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| 12:16.10 | achylles | Shadow_7, nm > ceni, wickd-gtk |
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| 12:18.11 | Shadow_7 | achylles: I just use wpa_passphrase and wpa_supplicant myself. |
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| 12:19.56 | achylles | Ok. But, they are working... |
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| 12:24.52 | MrDetonia | An fglrx kernel module is failing to compile for me when installing the 4.3 kernel (on testing). Where is the best place to report this? Log: https://paste.debian.net/358418/ |
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| 12:29.37 | Filystyn | HELO |
| 12:29.49 | Filystyn | im gona install printer on debian today |
| 12:29.58 | Filystyn | this is my 4rth atempt |
| 12:30.01 | Filystyn | but i have mor etime today |
| 12:30.11 | Filystyn | maaybe i will manage to do it today |
| 12:30.34 | Skwallilinux | xD |
| 12:30.42 | eclectichedgehog | or maybe not... |
| 12:30.50 | SirBogdan | good luck |
| 12:30.51 | SirBogdan | :) |
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| 12:33.35 | guardianW | RIP ian |
| 12:33.35 | Jaga-Jaga | Im having trouble with GnuPG , it doesnt see the keys but the keys are there |
| 12:33.51 | Jaga-Jaga | guardianW: who's ian? |
| 12:34.09 | testpil0t | Jaga-Jaga, i asked you yesterday already |
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| 12:34.11 | Stanto | RIP ian. |
| 12:34.14 | testpil0t | can you specifiy your problem? |
| 12:34.20 | intheworld | hi again |
| 12:34.30 | intheworld | thank u from everyone that help me |
| 12:34.35 | Stanto | Jaga-Jaga: https://thehackernews.com/2015/12/debian-ian-murdock-died.html |
| 12:34.40 | intheworld | my network works |
| 12:34.53 | testpil0t | hooray :) |
| 12:34.53 | eclectichedgehog | intheworld: good news |
| 12:35.06 | Filystyn | btw i hope debian will exist further more yes? |
| 12:35.07 | Jaga-Jaga | testpil0t: my gpg doesnt see the keys |
| 12:35.10 | intheworld | but i have a new question |
| 12:35.29 | testpil0t | what commands do you execute, and what are the results? |
| 12:35.34 | intheworld | eclectichedgehog : thank you my network work |
| 12:35.47 | eclectichedgehog | intheworld: no problem |
| 12:35.59 | intheworld | eclectichedgehog : can i use kerio control client in debian 64bit ? |
| 12:36.14 | Jaga-Jaga | testpil0t: i mean i try to encrypt , the key , to my own key for example. and i get this error: |
| 12:36.17 | Jaga-Jaga | gpg: A81421F3A5A962F5: skipped: public key not found |
| 12:36.19 | Jaga-Jaga | gpg: x.txt: encryption failed: public key not found |
| 12:36.27 | testpil0t | did you retrieve the key? |
| 12:36.33 | Jaga-Jaga | Stanto: thx for clarifying |
| 12:36.44 | intheworld | eclectichedgehog : or do you have standard sources.list i dont have sources on debian |
| 12:36.46 | Jaga-Jaga | testpil0t: its my own key |
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| 12:37.55 | testpil0t | Jaga-Jaga, what does gpg --list-keys do? |
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| 12:38.37 | eclectichedgehog | intheworld: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 12:39.26 | Jaga-Jaga | testpil0t: at this moment, i removed all keys. i only have my own key listed there |
| 12:39.36 | intheworld | eclectichedgehog : thank u |
| 12:39.44 | testpil0t | and you are trying to encrypt for your own key, right? |
| 12:40.00 | testpil0t | which is listed when running gpg --list-keys |
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| 12:40.05 | Jaga-Jaga | testpil0t: right |
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| 12:43.03 | Filystyn | oke people |
| 12:43.06 | Filystyn | HERE: https://www.openprinting.org/printer/Ricoh/Ricoh-Aficio_SP_4100N |
| 12:43.11 | Filystyn | My first question is |
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| 12:43.36 | Filystyn | what is differance between Recommended Driver: and Driver packages: All architectures: |
| 12:44.46 | Filystyn | i do not see the diferance here |
| 12:44.49 | Filystyn | dfq? |
| 12:44.50 | morf | Filystyn: well it's architecture independent package, e.g. it's not i386 or amd64 or whatever, it's architecture = all |
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| 12:45.16 | morf | or it's not architecture specific package |
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| 12:45.30 | Filystyn | so the first one is architecture specific package |
| 12:45.38 | Filystyn | why would it matter on linux anyway... but ok |
| 12:45.54 | morf | sry |
| 12:45.56 | morf | confusing page |
| 12:45.58 | Shadow_7 | heh... PJL... sounds like a rebadged hp |
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| 12:46.18 | Filystyn | ops sorry it looks like first is just text |
| 12:46.23 | morf | i don't see any difference |
| 12:46.26 | morf | it's the same |
| 12:46.37 | Filystyn | ok the drives are simply the other one |
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| 12:46.44 | Shadow_7 | Filystyn: the main thing is the ppd so cups knows it's quirks |
| 12:46.47 | Skwallilinux | oups ^^ |
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| 12:47.36 | Filystyn | what? |
| 12:47.52 | Filystyn | ok i downloaded ppd |
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| 12:48.13 | Fatar | how do I know which ftp server is the fastest for me? |
| 12:49.07 | Shadow_7 | Fatar: trial and error / ping / geography |
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| 12:49.30 | Filystyn | you could check MTU path fatar for example etc or just speed |
| 12:49.31 | Filystyn | bla bla |
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| 12:50.08 | Fatar | okay thanks |
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| 12:50.50 | Filystyn | so basiclay i need to install driver and than install the pdd file for cups y? |
| 12:51.24 | eclectichedgehog | Fatar: by fastest server do you mean for update? |
| 12:51.52 | Shadow_7 | Filystyn: the .deb package probably has and installs the ppd |
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| 12:52.15 | Fatar | I mean by kb/mb per second |
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| 12:52.48 | AliSh | guy how do you think about sid? |
| 12:53.09 | Filystyn | shadow_7 thank you |
| 12:53.13 | eclectichedgehog | AliSh: i use sid, no problems... usually |
| 12:53.40 | AliSh | i'm developer and i'm not linux end-user |
| 12:54.02 | AliSh | but in other hand i wanna new software |
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| 12:54.04 | AliSh | :) |
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| 12:54.46 | AliSh | kde-framework 5 is really beautiful and i don't wanna to check it without debian |
| 12:54.54 | eclectichedgehog | AliSh: if youre a dev then the lastest packages are useful for you i guess so sid is the way possibly |
| 12:54.58 | AliSh | then i wanna to know about sid |
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| 12:56.05 | AliSh | eclectichedgehog: then i should check it. I hope that be good :D |
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| 12:56.29 | Filystyn | ok i use dpkg for deb y ? |
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| 12:57.47 | eclectichedgehog | AliSh: kubuntu has a pretty good version of plasma, if you just want to get to grips with it |
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| 12:58.46 | roenie | so is opensuse |
| 12:59.05 | roenie | I'm personally running it on debian |
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| 12:59.14 | AliSh | no it isn't just about plasma and i don't really like child distros |
| 12:59.16 | roenie | takes a bit more time to set up |
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| 12:59.58 | eclectichedgehog | roenie: i've tried it with all the above but ended up with good old home built debian sid with plasma |
| 13:00.03 | AliSh | i've tried ubuntu and others and some unix-like systems. i'm only happy with debian and freebsd among theme |
| 13:00.10 | AliSh | them |
| 13:00.39 | Filystyn | ok i got the package isntalled |
| 13:00.46 | Filystyn | also ppd file 2 |
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| 13:00.51 | Filystyn | now.. what now... |
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| 13:05.27 | Filystyn | why cups runs on port 631? |
| 13:05.52 | FirePowi | Because Http already use 80 one. |
| 13:06.43 | Filystyn | o.O |
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| 13:06.50 | Filystyn | well OK |
| 13:07.36 | FirePowi | To give you a good response : Why cups would use an other port ? |
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| 13:08.20 | Skwallilinux | xD |
| 13:08.28 | Skwallilinux | good response |
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| 13:15.28 | Filystyn | ok problem |
| 13:15.34 | Filystyn | cups doe snot accept any passwords |
| 13:15.45 | Filystyn | no one can add a printer demit~ |
| 13:15.55 | Filystyn | im ROOT HERE WHAT IS WRONG?! |
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| 13:15.57 | Filystyn | ;o |
| 13:16.54 | Filystyn | ANYONE?! |
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| 13:17.48 | superstraw | Filystyn: use the root user & password? |
| 13:17.55 | Filystyn | i did |
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| 13:17.56 | eclectichedgehog | Filystyn: have you added yourself to the lpadmin group? |
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| 13:18.03 | Filystyn | no i did not |
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| 13:18.07 | FirePowi | Sorry, I can't help you. But please, put your CAPS unlock. And maybe ask also to #cups |
| 13:18.25 | superstraw | lol https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/06/msg01051.html |
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| 13:19.38 | Deep6 | hey guys, is it safe to ask about imurdock here? |
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| 13:19.53 | Deep6 | news is so scarce... |
| 13:20.08 | superstraw | probably #debian-offtopic would be better. |
| 13:20.16 | eclectichedgehog | Deep6: we all know as much as you do |
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| 13:20.28 | superstraw | yeah, what eclectichedgehog said. |
| 13:20.41 | Deep6 | eclectichedgehog: hrmmm.... anyone know about his wife? |
| 13:20.50 | Deep6 | I'm fearing a murder suicide... :| |
| 13:20.56 | FirePowi | #debian-offtopic <- |
| 13:21.21 | Deep6 | FirePowi: quasi on topic no? :| |
| 13:21.41 | FirePowi | !topic |
| 13:21.50 | FirePowi | Ian Murdock -> #debian-offtopic ; Debian 8 Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg install jessie | current point releases: /msg dpkg 8.2; /msg dpkg 7.9 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
| 13:22.00 | FirePowi | That's the "topic" ;-) |
| 13:22.16 | Deep6 | well...... it doe say debIAN |
| 13:22.17 | Deep6 | :P |
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| 13:30.01 | xxavi | hi |
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| 13:30.19 | xxavi | why don't remove these packages ?: http://paste.debian.net/358489/ |
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| 13:30.59 | testpil0t | xxavi, they are not installed |
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| 13:31.34 | xxavi | testpil0t: then, why dpkg-query show it ? |
| 13:31.47 | testpil0t | they'd be prefixed with ii |
| 13:31.49 | testpil0t | if installed |
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| 13:32.12 | testpil0t | rc means |
| 13:32.17 | testpil0t | removed but config files are present |
| 13:32.27 | testpil0t | https://linuxprograms.wordpress.com/2010/05/11/status-dpkg-list/ |
| 13:32.31 | xxavi | testpil0t: ohhhh, ok, thanks |
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| 13:33.26 | Aebian | my debian never connects to my WiFi when I remome my cat7 cable, why? |
| 13:35.13 | testpil0t | remome -> remove? |
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| 13:39.00 | gr8 | how do I restart pulseaudio with systemd? |
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| 13:40.31 | gr8 | why don't we simply use alsa btw? Pulse seems to be overkill for most scenarios |
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| 13:43.11 | dvs | I don't use pulseaudio |
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| 13:47.09 | Shadow_7 | I use pulse over jackd... but I have autospawn=no so I can stop using pulse at any time |
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| 13:47.18 | eclectichedgehog | gr8: overkill is the way these days |
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| 13:48.16 | nadu | hi |
| 13:48.23 | gr8 | I mean why is it the default? Also it seems you can't restart pulseaudio with systemd because it is somehow running on its own -,- awesome design |
| 13:48.45 | nadu | is there a meta packages that automatically installs all linux-headers for all kernels installed on the system? |
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| 13:48.53 | Shadow_7 | by design pulse audio auto restarts if autospawn = yes (default) |
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| 13:50.27 | Shadow_7 | nadu: like apt-get install linux-headers-* |
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| 13:51.30 | nadu | Shadow_7: I'm looking for a packages that installs new headers after a kernel update |
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| 13:51.59 | Shadow_7 | nadu: assuming the headers changed. it's a package, if it's installed and changed it'll update |
| 13:52.00 | nadu | or whatever which other mechanism exists on debian :) |
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| 13:52.14 | Shadow_7 | at least on stable since the version doesn't really change |
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| 13:52.54 | nadu | ah ok. so the new headers package will install as well after an update? fine. thanks! |
| 13:53.32 | paul_grozav | any idea how I can set cgrulesengd to start at boot ? |
| 13:53.34 | wewlad | hello everyone again. |
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| 13:54.02 | testpil0t | hey wewlad |
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| 13:54.15 | wewlad | yesterday (or actually today in the night) the problem investigation led to conclusion that wifi hardware works on my netbook |
| 13:54.25 | wewlad | but doesn't work with my current debian install |
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| 13:54.33 | wewlad | but works with debian livecd |
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| 13:54.39 | paul_grozav | is cgrulesengd even stable in debian ? |
| 13:54.43 | wewlad | so debian can work with my wifi |
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| 13:54.46 | dvs | wewlad: and the new firmware didn't work? |
| 13:54.52 | wewlad | yeah, it didn't |
| 13:55.20 | wewlad | so I guess to make things work again I need to downgrade something, at least kernel |
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| 13:55.36 | wewlad | 8.2.0's kernel is 3.16, while my current kernel is >4 |
| 13:55.58 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: or upgrade the firmware |
| 13:56.10 | wewlad | Shadow_7: I believe I tried that yesterday |
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| 13:56.24 | sarvu | ciao a tutti |
| 13:56.28 | sarvu | !list |
| 13:56.28 | dpkg | sarvu: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 13:56.33 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/dwmw2/linux-firmware.git linux-firmware |
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| 13:56.44 | xand | sarvu: get lost |
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| 13:57.08 | nadu | how can I automatically trigger rebuilding custom modules after a kernel update? |
| 13:57.15 | testpil0t | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:57.47 | Filystyn | peopel |
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| 13:57.52 | Filystyn | i want to ad user to grupe and |
| 13:57.55 | Filystyn | this is nto working |
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| 13:58.07 | wewlad | Shadow_7: do I need to compile stuff? |
| 13:58.10 | Filystyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.12 | Filystyn | wtf |
| 13:58.16 | taylan | do the regulars here intersect with the debian-devel and debian-project MLs? |
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| 13:58.29 | nadu | testpil0t: thanks! |
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| 13:58.44 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: it's firmware ... lot's of .fw files... you will need to manually move / copy the one(s) you need. /lib/firmware/... |
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| 13:58.51 | dvs | Filystyn: adduser <user> <group> |
| 13:58.59 | wewlad | Shadow_7: no git installed, apt-get install git? |
| 13:59.01 | Filystyn | usermod |
| 13:59.03 | Filystyn | did the jopb |
| 13:59.05 | Filystyn | thx anyway |
| 13:59.19 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: pretty much |
| 13:59.35 | wewlad | wait, wha |
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| 13:59.44 | wewlad | I forgot that internet was not working |
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| 13:59.54 | wewlad | and apt-get succeeded |
| 13:59.55 | wewlad | wtf |
| 13:59.55 | wewlad | :D |
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| 14:00.11 | wewlad | I got internetz!!! |
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| 14:00.23 | wewlad | over wifi! |
| 14:00.50 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: when the guys in the van across the street aren't jamming you |
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| 14:00.56 | wewlad | but how does it know which AP to use? afaik I removed the notes about the old one |
| 14:01.08 | dvs | wewlad: Did you reboot after installing the firmware? |
| 14:01.13 | wewlad | dvs: once |
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| 14:01.33 | wewlad | I didn't check the internet connection after that, instead I tried all that iwlist stuff |
| 14:01.39 | wewlad | and it was still hard locked |
| 14:02.08 | BlenderPro | hi all |
| 14:02.12 | BlenderPro | debianeros |
| 14:02.27 | wewlad | iwlist wlan0 scanning now works! |
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| 14:02.42 | wewlad | but yesterday I failed to up the interface |
| 14:02.52 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: sometimes you have to do things twice with wifi... first attempt powers it on I guess |
| 14:02.54 | wewlad | it was saying that RF-kill doesn't let me up it |
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| 14:04.07 | wewlad | then I googled this topic https://forums.kali.org/showthread.php?20016-Kali-Atheros-AR5007EG-Connection-problem and all I did was executed those modprobe commands |
| 14:04.14 | wewlad | but it still was not working |
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| 14:04.42 | wewlad | I was even going to try the pcie_aspm=force, because dmesg log says it's off |
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| 14:09.01 | wewlad | 'NetworkManager' does nothing |
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| 14:09.08 | wewlad | I guess it's not compatible with xfce |
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| 14:09.21 | Shadow_7 | wewlad: default behavior is that if it's in /etc/network/interfaces, then it's ignored |
| 14:09.24 | wewlad | should I install back the deinstalled wicd? |
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| 14:09.54 | testpil0t | wewlad, isnt wicd discontinued? |
| 14:09.54 | wewlad | Shadow_7: I haven't touched that file |
| 14:10.05 | wewlad | testpil0t: at least it opens |
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| 14:14.02 | wewlad | yay, wicd now works |
| 14:14.16 | wewlad | uninstalling network-manager as non-working stuff |
| 14:14.19 | dvs | wicked! |
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| 14:17.49 | wewlad | son of a... internet stopped working after I removed n-m |
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| 14:18.22 | Filystyn | PEOPLE |
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| 14:18.34 | Filystyn | i have succesfully installed a printer |
| 14:18.37 | Filystyn | printed a page |
| 14:18.40 | Filystyn | on my Debian |
| 14:18.42 | Filystyn | HORRREY |
| 14:18.45 | eclectichedgehog | Filystyn: good |
| 14:19.06 | wewlad | Filystyn: that's impossible |
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| 14:19.30 | eclectichedgehog | I just buy a network enabled printer, saves using a cups server. |
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| 14:19.37 | dvs | wewlad: I think you need wicd-client |
| 14:19.44 | wewlad | dvs I have it |
| 14:19.48 | wewlad | wicd-gtk |
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| 14:19.52 | Filystyn | i have my aficio SP 4100 N for free |
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| 14:19.58 | wewlad | it worked, i was connected already |
| 14:20.00 | Filystyn | so i think it's ok to have cups |
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| 14:20.14 | wewlad | removed n-m and ta-dam, my netbook forgot my network's password |
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| 14:20.19 | Filystyn | free printer so problems might occure |
| 14:20.22 | Filystyn | im so happy |
| 14:20.25 | eclectichedgehog | wewlad: there is a wicd-curses client for terminal use too |
| 14:20.44 | wewlad | eclectichedgehog: I'm not a fan of terminal for everything |
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| 14:21.04 | wewlad | I use terminal when CLI way is easier and faster than GUI way |
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| 14:24.02 | wewlad | thanks everyone who helped, especially Shadow_7 and mtn |
| 14:24.08 | wewlad | well, and jelly |
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| 14:47.26 | LjL-Alps | why is iceweasel part of gnome-core? i wasn't aware of it being a GNOME application... |
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| 14:50.34 | dontknow | LjL-Alps, if you want minimal install go with "gnome-shell" package |
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| 14:51.15 | LjL-Alps | i don't want minimal, i want GNOME. but real GNOME, not things that aren't part of GNOME. GNOME has its own browser, Epiphany, which does actually *not* get installed, somehow |
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| 14:51.53 | LjL-Alps | when i installed Debian, i picked the "GNOME" option instead of the "Debian desktop" option thinking i'd get actual GNOME |
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| 14:53.37 | jhutchins | LjL-Alps: Gosh, what a terrible burden! |
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| 14:53.47 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. Is it possible to install a package when running from a live USB/CD image? |
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| 14:54.12 | dontknow | Pegasus_RPG, i think so |
| 14:54.47 | LjL-Alps | jhutchins, yes, it's a burden to only install "minimal" packages without the ability of being sure that, as i keep my distro up to date, newer packages that are meant to be part of GNOME will automatically get installed. |
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| 14:55.19 | LjL-Alps | and it's also a burden to install programs that i have no reason to have installed, like Iceweasel, which without annoying configuration tend to steal web links from other programs |
| 14:55.43 | Pegasus_RPG | dontknow: how does that work? installing into RAM disk? |
| 14:56.02 | LjL-Alps | and it's also upsetting when a distribution that is known for shipping things like upstream intended seemingly decides that GNOME's browser is something else than GNOME's browser |
| 14:56.02 | dontknow | Pegasus_RPG, yes everything on ram i believe |
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| 14:57.02 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: Essentially. The installation will not survive a reboot. |
| 14:58.24 | jhutchins | LjL-Alps: I think you should boycott Debian in protest. |
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| 14:58.41 | dontknow | LjL-Alps, there must be reasons for that |
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| 14:59.23 | Pegasus_RPG | jhutchins: of course. I'm just guiding a Mixxx user through testing on true Debian. (We are seeing another problem with the Intel i915 graphics driver bailing out on an ASSERT on Ubuntu and Mint which are both based on Debian.) |
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| 14:59.54 | LjL-Alps | dontknow, well, i'd like to know them, but i guess it's easier to be sarcastic about my concerns instead. when i google "iceweasel gnome-core", there is a bug report, to which someone replies that Iceweasel is just part of the "GNOME experience" and one should take it up with the GNOME developers themselves, as if it's not a Debian issue... except that Iceweasel doesn't even exist outside of Debian, and given GNOME has its own Epiphany browser, i somehow |
| 14:59.54 | LjL-Alps | doubt they consider Iceweasel part of GNOME |
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| 15:00.49 | jhutchins | LjL-Alps: Iceweasel is Firefox, which is not part of Debian. |
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| 15:01.16 | tme5 | i found why epiphany was not the default |
| 15:01.24 | LjL-Alps | i know |
| 15:01.34 | tme5 | apparently it was for security reasons https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=772808 |
| 15:01.35 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/772808 in gnome-core (open): «gnome-core: epiphany should be the default browser again»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-12-11; last modified: 2014-12-11. |
| 15:01.50 | LjL-Alps | tme5, i can understand Epiphany not being "the default" because Iceweasel is more full-featured... what i don't understand is Iceweasel being an actual dependency of gnome-core's |
| 15:02.03 | LjL-Alps | tme5, it doesn't technically need to be a gnome-core dependency to be the default |
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| 15:02.09 | Rephlexie | ^ |
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| 15:05.03 | dontknow | LjL-Alps, there is 3 layer of installation. 1) default debian gnome desktop, 2) gnome-core 3) gnome-shell. i think it is fair enough |
| 15:05.07 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: One of the core differences between Debian and Debian-derived distros is that they usually have distinctly different kernel suites. Ubuntu is really very much it's own distribution these days. |
| 15:05.26 | LjL-Alps | dontknow, "gnome-shell" isn't really a layer of installation of GNOME, that's just one program |
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| 15:05.44 | LjL-Alps | and no matter how you turn it, Iceweasel is not part of GNOME at all |
| 15:06.05 | LjL-Alps | it can be installed as part of the Debian Desktop task or whatnot |
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| 15:06.41 | LjL-Alps | or gnome (ideally not gnome-core) could depend on gnome-www-browser instead of directly on one browser |
| 15:06.43 | LjL-Alps | that's a virtual package |
| 15:07.02 | LjL-Alps | that would still allow for iceweasel to be the one that gets pulled in by default |
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| 15:07.08 | LjL-Alps | and at the same time, to be able to remove it without removing gnome-core |
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| 15:08.33 | tme5 | why not open a ticket on the package, and suggest these things |
| 15:08.42 | jhutchins | LjL-Alps: If you really want to persue this, you should do so on one of the mailing lists. You're really not going to reach anybody through this channel; this is supposed to be for technical support, not policy discussions. |
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| 15:09.17 | LjL-Alps | tme5, well, as i mentioned, tickets were already opened, and dismissed with reasonings such as that it's the "GNOME experience" and what the GNOME developers want, which is simply incorrect |
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| 15:27.52 | vlmxs | hi! |
| 15:28.02 | vlmxs | anybody here? some question I haz |
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| 15:28.11 | greycat | !ask |
| 15:28.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 15:28.11 | Pegasus_RPG | vlmxs: sure, just ask |
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| 15:28.22 | vlmxs | ok, thank you! |
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| 15:29.43 | vlmxs | I remember older irc days, with mIRC client in Win 95, you could /whois somebody... Now I got a bit older, and was thinking, that after I do so - anyone could see that I run Raspbian on Raspberry pi. Does it make for somebody possible to SSH into my IPand use defdault login/pass? |
| 15:29.56 | greycat | /whois will not show your OS |
| 15:30.08 | LjL-Alps | wut |
| 15:30.10 | greycat | But /ctcp version might. That's up to your IRC client. |
| 15:30.13 | LjL-Alps | vlmxs, why could they see that? |
| 15:30.31 | greycat | Nothing in IRC will reveal your password. |
| 15:30.32 | LjL-Alps | yes you can change the VERSION reply in most clients, but that has nothing to do with WHOIS |
| 15:30.56 | LjL-Alps | well, if vlmxs has a "default" login/pass... |
| 15:31.08 | LjL-Alps | i'm sure that seems like a good idea |
| 15:31.09 | vlmxs | ok, they do not see this |
| 15:31.12 | LjL-Alps | user: default, pass: default |
| 15:31.16 | vlmxs | but one can assume this |
| 15:31.19 | greycat | If you have a guessable password, *change it*. |
| 15:31.38 | reiffert | to "password". |
| 15:31.39 | LjL-Alps | assume what and how |
| 15:31.48 | vlmxs | well, I was thinking if it was that easy as I imagined this? I have never tried this, andIjust play with Raspbian |
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| 15:32.09 | greycat | Are you saying that this "Raspbian" thing sets up an account with a known password? |
| 15:32.17 | LjL-Alps | vlmxs, i can guess that you might be using a Pi because your username is "pi" and your realname is "pi". surely you can change that. |
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| 15:32.52 | vlmxs | Ok, @LjL-Alps for you knowing this - is it possible to use SSH and login into my raspberry? Is it that easy? |
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| 15:33.10 | vlmxs | I am actually behind a wifi router here |
| 15:33.28 | LjL-Alps | vlmxs, that depends on whether you are behind a firewall, whether you are running SSH, and whether your password is too easy |
| 15:33.28 | Shadow_7 | vlmxs: raspbian by default has the pi user with password raspberry |
| 15:33.29 | greycat | The person doing so would have to know your login account name and password, *and* you would have to be running a publically reachable sshd. |
| 15:33.45 | Shadow_7 | unless you debootstrap install raspbian, then you get to choose your first user |
| 15:33.48 | LjL-Alps | vlmxs, if you don't change the default password, you are asking to be hacked |
| 15:33.57 | vlmxs | pass - default, SSH - on by default on raspbian, firewall - do not know |
| 15:33.59 | LjL-Alps | but that has nothing to do with IRC |
| 15:34.05 | greycat | Indeed. |
| 15:34.06 | vlmxs | I know |
| 15:34.14 | vlmxs | I was not asking about IRC |
| 15:34.20 | greycat | !raspbian |
| 15:34.21 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 15:34.31 | vlmxs | I was asking about the principle |
| 15:34.36 | LjL-Alps | vlmxs, well, you can go to any postscan site on the web and ask for it to test your IP's SSH port and see if it's open |
| 15:34.50 | vlmxs | You go into IRC - someone looks you up, thantries to track youdown and hack ;) |
| 15:35.09 | greycat | For what it's worth, vlmxs's port 22 is not responding to me. |
| 15:35.11 | LjL-Alps | vlmxs, yes, maybe, but you should NOT assume that just because you do NOT go on IRC, someone won't do the same |
| 15:35.12 | LjL-Alps | people scan IPs |
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| 15:35.22 | vlmxs | SSH is open by default onraspberry but donot know about router |
| 15:35.42 | vlmxs | @LjL-Alps thank you, I know I know |
| 15:35.46 | greycat | In any case, Raspbian is off topic in #debian. Go to #raspbian. |
| 15:35.48 | LjL-Alps | the thing that you should do *right now* is change the default password. |
| 15:35.54 | Shadow_7 | if you debootstrap install raspbian a lot of that stuff isn't on be default |
| 15:35.58 | vlmxs | I am newto Debian andplaying with it kind of a hobby |
| 15:36.12 | Shadow_7 | but nfs is in the kernel not a module... so annoying that raspbain |
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| 15:36.42 | vlmxs | @greycat no one at raspbian answers me |
| 15:36.55 | greycat | That's not our fault. |
| 15:37.10 | vlmxs | @greycat :D good ol pal from IRC :D |
| 15:37.30 | vlmxs | I remember that tone :D |
| 15:37.36 | vlmxs | and I respect that |
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| 15:38.19 | Shadow_7 | You can debootstrap install debian armel from raspbian for the B... or armhf for the 2 |
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| 15:39.42 | vlmxs | ok guys, let me ask you another question. I am onDebian Jessie. Have installed it onto Raspberry Pi tplay with it. My machineis connectedvia lan to a router. I have installed irssi client for irc. I am on irc server asking some questions. Someonemakes a /whois on me andknows my IP and would guess thatI am on Debianwith default pass and username. And now the question - do you think it is possible to login to |
| 15:39.48 | vlmxs | my machine via SSH (with SSH port open) and default credentials (those were not changed) the only trouble is that I am behind the router? |
| 15:39.58 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 15:40.01 | vlmxs | !debootstrap |
| 15:40.02 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 15:40.15 | greycat | How fucking STUPID do you think we are? |
| 15:40.17 | _ezhik | You guys heard the news about Ian? |
| 15:40.40 | greycat | 1) CHANGE YOUR FUCKING STUPID RASPBIAN DEFAULT PASSWORD. |
| 15:40.42 | dvs | _ezhik: #debian-offtopic |
| 15:40.45 | greycat | 2) GO TO #RASPBIAN. |
| 15:40.46 | _ezhik | sorry |
| 15:41.23 | vlmxs | @greycat it is not an answer. I know about the changing the default password. The question wasif one can get tomevia a router? |
| 15:41.26 | m1nty | pi |
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| 15:41.29 | m1nty | raspberry |
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| 15:41.37 | m1nty | you are now logged in as pi |
| 15:41.46 | m1nty | hax the internets |
| 15:42.11 | vlmxs | LOL |
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| 15:43.16 | iresf | hi again everyone |
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| 15:44.00 | Shadow_7 | vlmxs: probably why they didn't put gigabit ethernet on the newest model |
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| 15:44.19 | iresf | i confused to install manually JDK on debian because i have to install JDK correct anyone here to hlep me ? |
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| 15:44.41 | Shadow_7 | iresf: which jdk? oracles? |
| 15:44.47 | greycat | If you install it manually, just make symlinks to the binaries from /usr/local/bin/ |
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| 15:45.17 | iresf | Shadow_7 : jdk-8u66-linux-x64 |
| 15:45.43 | Shadow_7 | ,v java-package |
| 15:45.44 | judd | Package: java-package on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 0.50+nmu2; wheezy-backports/contrib: 0.53~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 0.56; stretch/contrib: 0.60; sid/contrib: 0.60 |
| 15:46.03 | Shadow_7 | one way to bundle oracles java to .deb packaging. not sure if it works for the jdk |
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| 15:46.19 | greycat | Oh, if you're not installing manually then never mind. |
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| 15:47.22 | iresf | greycat : i can install it then i set JAVA_HOME but selendroid said java_home did not set |
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| 15:48.24 | greycat | You should never have to set those stupid JAVA* variables. |
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| 15:48.31 | greycat | Just symlink it to a place that's in your PATH. |
| 15:48.43 | greycat | Or if you are using a .deb you shouldn't even have to mess with symlinks. |
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| 15:50.38 | iresf | i have another problem |
| 15:50.46 | vlmxs | thank you guys. Happy New Year! :) |
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| 15:51.06 | vlmxs | I know my questions were lame, but stil you helped me ;) Wish you patience in the new 2016! |
| 15:51.48 | iresf | after installing debian and then installing whole Mate desktop , then font of desktop is very very bad and ugly i have installed ARIAL but it can not solve my problem |
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| 15:52.11 | greycat | Did you install the msttcorefonts package? |
| 15:52.41 | iresf | greycat : yes |
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| 15:52.51 | greycat | Oh sorry, it's ttf-mscorefonts-installer now. |
| 15:53.12 | greycat | Anyway, if you installed ttf-mscorefonts-installer and logged out and back in, then I don't know what else you need. I don't know mate. |
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| 15:53.33 | nicoeisa | list |
| 15:53.49 | Shadow_7 | fontconfig probs... and mkfontscale / mkfontdir where it got put... if the packaging system didn't handle that |
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| 15:54.16 | Shadow_7 | and fc-cache -f -v |
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| 15:55.39 | vlmxs | maybe another question, not about hacking or raspbian |
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| 15:55.53 | vlmxs | what is the practical use of Debian? |
| 15:55.57 | vlmxs | Except for work? |
| 15:55.59 | morf | lol |
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| 15:56.12 | morf | vlmxs: it's universal operating system, so ... |
| 15:56.16 | morf | universal? |
| 15:56.17 | vlmxs | E.g. I need something like, spotify, World of Tanks |
| 15:56.27 | Hello71 | lol |
| 15:56.37 | vlmxs | :D |
| 15:56.37 | morf | vlmxs: yeah sure why not |
| 15:56.46 | Shadow_7 | debian, because binary packaging is 1/3rd or less the size of sources on the download |
| 15:56.47 | vlmxs | via a virtual machine? |
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| 15:56.59 | morf | i don't think games will run good in virtual |
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| 15:57.02 | vlmxs | so I need a programme thatwill run WOT? |
| 15:57.03 | morf | but otherwise yes |
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| 15:57.40 | vlmxs | is it possible toplay tanks on Debian? |
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| 15:58.02 | vlmxs | canitutilize all the graphical and processing power to run it in a good quality? |
| 15:58.14 | vlmxs | or can I install steam so I can play all kinds of games? |
| 15:58.32 | vlmxs | or Ubuntu would be better in that regard? |
| 15:58.45 | vlmxs | but worse in terms of security? |
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| 16:01.18 | vlmxs | Te kads latviski saprot? |
| 16:01.20 | vlmxs | ewew |
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| 16:01.47 | dontknow | vlmxs, debian stable is great desktop |
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| 16:02.22 | dontknow | no headache once set up |
| 16:02.46 | vlmxs | thank you! |
| 16:03.01 | ewew | vlmxs ? |
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| 16:03.23 | vlmxs | my space button sometimes does not work, so no spaces between words |
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| 16:04.25 | ewew | vlmxs Why did you highlite me ? |
| 16:05.15 | vlmxs | ewew |
| 16:05.21 | vlmxs | I do not know how to highlite |
| 16:05.37 | vlmxs | in case I write your name it is highlited? How does it work in DEBIAN? :D |
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| 16:06.11 | iflema | enable non-free and add i386 arch then install steam |
| 16:06.18 | ewew | vlmxs Im not allowed to help you. because ops do not want me. |
| 16:06.25 | vlmxs | ok |
| 16:06.48 | vlmxs | iflema, what is"non-free" ? |
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| 16:06.59 | vlmxs | !non-free |
| 16:06.59 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 16:07.40 | vlmxs | iflema, so if I got You right,someone is already playing steam on Debian and they did a non-free pkg and it is available for use? |
| 16:08.00 | iflema | yes |
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| 16:08.23 | dontknow | don't lose debian purity by adding non-free |
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| 16:08.44 | iflema | vlmxs: see dontknow |
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| 16:09.44 | iflema | the bot should say say that at the end |
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| 16:10.58 | vlmxs | well, how can I preserve debian purity if I need it as a regular PC or Mac? Not just for work/dev? |
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| 16:12.18 | vlmxs | can you suggest some online courses for Debian beginners? WHo was that dude who lived in poverty but thanks toDebian he became a developer andhe is now running a bigcompany that was initially a startup? |
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| 16:12.27 | vlmxs | I guess how did he use that... |
| 16:12.50 | BlenderPro | amigos |
| 16:13.42 | dontknow | vlmxs, by not adding non-free repos in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:13.53 | vlmxs | k |
| 16:14.19 | vlmxs | why it isso important to preserve purityofdebian? |
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| 16:14.32 | vlmxs | so it is safe and no hack possible? |
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| 16:15.12 | dontknow | vlmxs, https://gnu.org/ |
| 16:15.57 | dontknow | and listen a couple of stallman speech |
| 16:16.22 | vlmxs | ok |
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| 16:16.26 | iflema | best practice... best if the base is "correct" that way you can say come get it and not have to worry too much anout shit fight |
| 16:16.35 | heapall0c | RIP Ian Murdock |
| 16:17.59 | vlmxs | dontknow so GNU is not the same as Debian? |
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| 16:18.20 | dontknow | vlmxs, debian is gnu/linux |
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| 16:18.44 | dontknow | vlmxs, it consists of gnu software and linux kernel |
| 16:18.58 | greycat | And other software as well, but GNU is a huge part. |
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| 16:19.28 | vlmxs | thank you! I have to still learn a lot |
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| 16:20.22 | vlmxs | exit |
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| 16:23.30 | iflema | /biffer 3 |
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| 16:24.29 | Devastator | this is latest stable, right? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 16:24.46 | dontknow | Devastator, right |
| 16:25.25 | Spotify | Someone needed me |
| 16:25.27 | Spotify | :3 |
| 16:25.30 | Spotify | Who? :3 |
| 16:26.08 | freezer | my cat |
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| 16:35.06 | CihanKaygusuz | RIP Ian Murdock :( |
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| 16:35.17 | CihanKaygusuz | I'm so sorry who ever use Debian |
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| 16:36.53 | protocol | Sad, sad stuff... |
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| 16:44.18 | skokkk | hello. I'm having problems with iptables: |
| 16:44.23 | skokkk | libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod.c:505 kmod_lookup_alias_from_builtin_file: could not open builtin file '/lib/modules/2.6.32-042stab112.15/modules.builtin.bin' |
| 16:44.23 | skokkk | FATAL: Module ip_tables not found. |
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| 16:45.05 | greycat | That doesn't sound like a Debian kernel version. |
| 16:45.29 | jordanm | it's an openvz kernel |
| 16:45.41 | skokkk | jordanm, openvz? |
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| 16:45.50 | Hello71 | !derivatives |
| 16:45.50 | dpkg | derivatives is probably <Knoppix>, <Ubuntu>, <Libranet>, <Corel>/<Xandros>, <Stormix>, <Progeny>, <Linspire>, <DamnSmallLinux>, <Kurumin>, <Agnula>, <Xebian> and many others, or see http://mako.cc/talks/20050418-customizing_debian/customizing_debian_slides/img1.html, or ask me about <dfd>, <cdd> |
| 16:45.54 | Hello71 | hm. |
| 16:46.32 | jordanm | skokkk: openvz is container software, still popular for cheap hosted VPS systems |
| 16:46.59 | greycat | Yeah, my VPS is the same way. |
| 16:47.08 | greycat | greg@remote:~$ /sbin/modinfo ip_tables |
| 16:47.08 | greycat | libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod.c:505 kmod_lookup_alias_from_builtin_file: could not open builtin file '/lib/modules/2.6.32-042stab090.5/modules.builtin.bin' |
| 16:47.10 | jordanm | skokkk: your system is not a VM, so some kernel features will not be available to you. only your userspace is debian |
| 16:47.11 | greycat | ERROR: Module ip_tables not found. |
| 16:47.12 | skokkk | jordanm, so how would I fix that? |
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| 16:47.47 | jordanm | skokkk: buy a different VPS |
| 16:48.09 | skokkk | from a different host, or just a different OS? |
| 16:48.31 | greycat | If the hosting company has other options, you can pursue one of those options. |
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| 16:50.11 | Ditak | buy a kvm vps |
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| 16:50.46 | jordanm | or xen, doesn't really matter as long as it's not a container |
| 16:51.20 | protocol | have any details been released per Ian's death? |
| 16:51.56 | greycat | https://www.interserver.net/xen-vs-kvm-vs-openvz-vs-vmware-vs-cloud.html |
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| 16:52.15 | greycat | Not necessarily saying that's the best company to choose, but that's the first explanation page I found. |
| 16:52.28 | Geekblogtv | RIP |
| 16:52.38 | jordanm | haven't clicked the article, but "vs cloud' is a bit weird since AWS ec2 instances are xen AFAIK |
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| 16:53.20 | greycat | I don't know what they mean by cloud. |
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| 16:53.54 | greycat | It appears to be one their own offerings, not Amazon or Google. |
| 16:54.06 | jordanm | "And in our opinion the term "cloud" that applies to VPS hosting is no different then a VPS that has failover, redundancy or backup" |
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| 16:54.36 | jordanm | so they don't actually understand what cloud providers offer and what the benefits are |
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| 16:55.00 | jordanm | I guess in the context of this acticle, comparing the compute layer of cloud services this is true though |
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| 17:02.55 | klys | https://www.google.com/search?q=%22imurdock%22+site%3Agithub.com |
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| 17:08.44 | macslayer | One Java repo and a Javascript one... I thought he was a hardcore hacker! |
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| 17:12.44 | klys | macslayer, seems he added debian patches to some new projects |
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| 17:15.16 | choc0 | does debian lock out non-root users when your hd space fills up |
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| 17:15.47 | greycat | Not as a matter of policy, no... but maybe some desktop environments crash and burn? |
| 17:15.47 | markybob | choc0, yes. 5% is reserved for root only |
| 17:16.07 | greycat | markybob: I interpreted "lock out" as "can't login" not "can't write data" |
| 17:16.43 | choc0 | i can't get past the lightdm login screen except with root |
| 17:16.56 | markybob | choc0, that's expected. it needs to write temp data |
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| 17:17.03 | greycat | Well, if you suspect disk full is causing it, free some space. |
| 17:17.06 | choc0 | i will delete some stuff |
| 17:17.10 | choc0 | just wondering |
| 17:17.25 | greycat | once again congratulates himself on not using a desktop environment thingy |
| 17:17.50 | SynrG | Save the environment |
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| 17:18.19 | greycat | I'm pretty sure regular console logins work just fine in the absence of writable disk sectors. |
| 17:18.56 | BlenderPro | hi greycat ! |
| 17:19.25 | BlenderPro | you must be pro wow |
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| 17:20.51 | BlenderPro | greycat: by the way I linked /tmp to a separate usb drive but performance was the same so I removed the fstab line to use it from 1 drive |
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| 17:21.20 | greycat | Actual writes to /tmp should not be extremely common. |
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| 17:21.28 | BlenderPro | what was the best site again where they did modifications to debian to resude io requests? |
| 17:21.40 | greycat | Usually you create a tempfile there, and it's gone within milliseconds, so there's no need to actually write it to the hardware. |
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| 17:29.14 | BlenderPro | greycat: I still don't know what cause the lag when I close an audio file in audacity it gets stuck, it does uncompressing and encoding faster |
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| 17:34.16 | choc0 | is there a reason for mate-menu to still be in unstable |
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| 17:34.54 | choc0 | the linux mint debian edition's mint-menu is the same thing, and is fully tested for their main release |
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| 17:37.42 | choc0 | http://packages.linuxmint.com/list.php?release=Betsy |
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| 17:42.51 | mztubbz_ | greycat: hello |
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| 17:46.02 | iresf | hi hi |
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| 17:46.21 | iresf | wooooooooooooooooohhhhhhh |
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| 17:46.45 | iresf | debian is the best distro in the world i am joining |
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| 17:46.52 | iresf | is the best is the best |
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| 17:48.45 | macslayer | I agree! Any particular reason why? |
| 17:48.52 | macslayer | iresf |
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| 17:50.26 | iresf | macslayer : i have used ubuntu and windows and mackintash and most os but debian is very easy and very very fast and compatible with everything |
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| 17:51.28 | macslayer | :D |
| 17:52.09 | boodie | Hi (debian jessie) I am trying to connect to a SAMSUNG phone using "wammu". When I ask "dmesg | less" it seems to put the phone in /dev/ttyACM1 - when the program tries to connect, it says that I don't have permissions to access /dev/ttyACM1 and I might have to be a member of the group "dialout", but there doesn't seem to be such a group ... any hints? |
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| 17:52.16 | greycat | BlenderPro: if you haven't figured it out yet, look at tools like strace to find out what is happening. |
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| 17:53.30 | dvs | boodie: Of course there's a dialout group |
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| 17:54.10 | greycat | BlenderPro: Or, see what kind of files audacity maintains. Maybe it has some giant database file that it writes to every time you do something. |
| 17:54.16 | greycat | I don't know that application. |
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| 17:55.05 | boodie | so, in principle, "adduser boodie dialout" (as root) ... |
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| 17:55.15 | RedFox1010 | hi |
| 17:55.22 | RedFox1010 | why is the debian.org website logo black? |
| 17:55.26 | RedFox1010 | it was green, no? |
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| 17:56.00 | greycat | It's not black for me. |
| 17:56.13 | greycat | Oh. Now it is, after ctrl-R. |
| 17:56.46 | RedFox1010 | and a black line on the left top logo |
| 17:56.49 | greycat | I would assume it's in honor of Ian Murdock, but it's not clickable so who knows. |
| 17:56.56 | choc0 | https://bits.debian.org/2015/12/mourning-ian-murdock.html |
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| 17:57.11 | markybob | choc0, please go to #debian-offtopic |
| 17:57.23 | choc0 | he asked why it was black |
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| 17:57.35 | markybob | my bad |
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| 17:57.41 | RedFox1010 | oh, he left the world yesterday? |
| 17:57.47 | greycat | Monday. |
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| 17:57.54 | dvs | RedFox1010: #debian-offtopic |
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| 17:58.34 | RedFox1010 | ok then, sorry to read that. i wish you a new year, and good bye :) |
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| 18:11.18 | Fatar | where can I get the list of debian's ftp servers§ |
| 18:11.22 | Fatar | ? |
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| 18:11.28 | greycat | !mirrors |
| 18:11.28 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <httpredir.debian.org>, <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <ftpsync>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:11.44 | Fatar | Thanks a ton |
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| 18:14.35 | iresf | anyone use android-studio on debian ? |
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| 18:15.43 | dvs | iresf: ask your real question |
| 18:16.30 | iresf | android-studio does not work correctly on debian i asked in android-dev but they told me this issue related to debian |
| 18:17.05 | greycat | Is it a package? Judd doesn't know it. |
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| 18:18.39 | iresf | greycat : gradle does not finish |
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| 18:19.10 | greycat | I'm going to take that as a "Nobody knows whether it's packaged or not, and you aren't willing to tell us." |
| 18:19.14 | iresf | greycat : i mean gradle's work does not finish after click on gradle button |
| 18:20.07 | greycat | No match on packages.d.o either. |
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| 18:21.02 | greycat | So, let's assume it is unpacakged, and you got it from a web site or whatever. What did the people who maintain it SAY was the reason they blame Debian for the issue? |
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| 18:21.24 | greycat | Is it some missing kernel feature, or what? |
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| 18:22.59 | iresf | greycat : i dont know |
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| 18:23.46 | greycat | This? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25629368/how-to-fix-android-studio-getting-stuck-executing-gradle-tasks |
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| 18:27.16 | iresf | greycat : my android-studio files i think do not have permission to run this |
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| 18:27.54 | greycat | I know absolutely nothing about it. That was a page I found by googling "debian android studio gradle finish", and that all came from your description. |
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| 18:30.23 | pewpau | sudo kill -9 murdock |
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| 18:35.40 | iresf | pewpau : what is that : "sudo kill -9 murdock" |
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| 18:35.55 | greycat | A twisted joke. |
| 18:36.21 | zykotick9 | greycat: and not a funny one, IMO |
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| 18:36.30 | greycat | Best to ignore it and move on. |
| 18:37.12 | pewpau | I feel really bad now, it's not a fun matter. |
| 18:37.22 | pewpau | but couldn't resist |
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| 18:37.50 | Shadow_7 | plus missed op for -5 -0 |
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| 18:42.08 | pewpau | Those must have been some really bad cops. On the other hand, USA is more like the third world not least when it comes to the police. |
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| 18:42.28 | greycat | Please take discussion of Ian Murdock to #debian-offtopic. Thank you. |
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| 18:44.14 | vlmxs | hey there |
| 18:44.56 | vlmxs | for example, Ihave installed "irssi" irc client, but then I forgot how to startit (command) how can I list all possible commands in debian? |
| 18:45.24 | vlmxs | or I press "ir" and then "Tab" totoggle possible commands like in COunter Strike 1.6 console? |
| 18:45.43 | stew | vlmxs: ls /usr/bin ; but you probably want something like "dpkg -L irssi | grep bin" |
| 18:45.43 | Aebian | irssi |
| 18:45.53 | Aebian | thats the command you type in in the terminal |
| 18:46.05 | Aebian | then you "start" irssi |
| 18:46.07 | vlmxs | yes, Iforgot command "irssi"and want to list all possible commands |
| 18:46.19 | petemc | ir<tab><tab> |
| 18:46.23 | vlmxs | Aebian i know know |
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| 18:46.27 | vlmxs | ok, will try now |
| 18:46.30 | dvs | vlmxs: all possible command in irssi? |
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| 18:46.55 | vlmxs | no in command line |
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| 18:47.02 | greycat | Commands *within* irssi? You can press / then tab, and keep pressing tab. |
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| 18:47.32 | Aebian | or type /help in irssi |
| 18:47.35 | vlmxs | In debian |
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| 18:47.39 | vlmxs | I installed irsi |
| 18:47.50 | vlmxs | but tomorrow I will forget the command to run it in debian |
| 18:47.53 | vlmxs | How to rememberit? |
| 18:48.05 | petemc | if you remember the name, you're good to go |
| 18:48.11 | dvs | vlmxs: From the command line, type ir<tab><tab> and see what comes up. |
| 18:48.17 | vlmxs | ok |
| 18:48.17 | SynrG | Also when learning, take notes |
| 18:48.26 | Shadow_7 | vlmxs: man irssi... irssi -n Bubba -c irc.freenode.net |
| 18:48.30 | SynrG | That goes for everything, not just Debian |
| 18:48.41 | vlmxs | itworked! |
| 18:48.50 | vlmxs | thank you! |
| 18:48.58 | Aebian | in debian you just type "irssi" to start it. Whats so hard to remember the tool you just installed? ^^ |
| 18:49.07 | vlmxs | how to take notes ifIhaveone terminal window andthere areno multiplewindowstorun notepad? |
| 18:49.27 | dvs | vlmxs: install a window manager |
| 18:49.41 | vlmxs | window manager is forpussies |
| 18:49.42 | vlmxs | :D |
| 18:49.43 | SynrG | Or use screen. Or tmux |
| 18:49.44 | dvs | or desktop environment |
| 18:49.45 | Shadow_7 | vlmxs: have a 2nd machine |
| 18:49.54 | dvs | Shadow_7: heh |
| 18:50.01 | SynrG | Or pencil and paper ... |
| 18:50.01 | greycat | I always run irssi inside screen. |
| 18:50.06 | vlmxs | is there something like Alt + 1orCtrl + 1to havemultiple terminals? |
| 18:50.27 | dvs | vlmxs: screen |
| 18:50.31 | dvs | or tmux |
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| 18:50.33 | jhutchins | tmux |
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| 18:50.36 | vlmxs | ok |
| 18:50.38 | vlmxs | will try tmux |
| 18:50.43 | dvs | ... |
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| 18:50.52 | Aebian | greycat: I run it in tmux hehe :D |
| 18:50.56 | dvs | goes back to his window manager. |
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| 18:51.20 | klys | mostly curious if debian had compensated for any of that person's responsibility/projects. if someone quit doing ftp updates, for example, better find someone else...so i want to ask, has debian found someone else or are there stale projects left for dead |
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| 18:51.44 | vlmxs | do you know if tmux will work via SSH? |
| 18:51.53 | vlmxs | if I connect to themachine remotely? |
| 18:52.05 | petemc | thats its primary usage case |
| 18:52.30 | vlmxs | sudo apt-get tmux? |
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| 18:52.38 | vlmxs | sudo apt-get install tmux? |
| 18:52.41 | klys | yes i am using tmux/irssi |
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| 18:52.43 | Aebian | vlmxs: it will work and yes the 2ns |
| 18:52.45 | Aebian | *2ns |
| 18:52.48 | vlmxs | :) |
| 18:52.50 | vlmxs | thank you! |
| 18:52.53 | vlmxs | Debian isawesome! |
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| 18:53.30 | Aebian | I have irssi on a remote server so I don't need a bouncer. Running irssi via tmux completly fine |
| 18:53.39 | Aebian | ^^ |
| 18:54.10 | jhutchins | vlmxs: You have the history command, and grep, and Ctrl-R to find previous commands. |
| 18:54.10 | AvatarA | copy/paste since I'm too lazy to reformulate: so I'm using a shortcut key to open lxterminal in LXDE but if I background the first window I open and then use the shortcut key again, the second window will open in the background too. any way to always open in foreground? |
| 18:54.48 | vlmxs | jhutchins: so will allofit work if I switch on machinetomorrow? |
| 18:54.57 | vlmxs | will itremember my commandsfrom today? |
| 18:55.11 | Shadow_7 | vlmxs: it archives them when you type exit |
| 18:55.16 | vlmxs | ok |
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| 18:55.23 | vlmxs | I just write grep in console? |
| 18:55.35 | vlmxs | NO :( |
| 18:55.38 | Shadow_7 | but if you shutdown before exit under systemd, those latest entries never stood a chance |
| 18:55.46 | AvatarA | any way to specify in lxde-rc.xml that I want to always open in foreground? this issue is annoying, I'm thinking it's because lxterminal uses a single process for multiple windows |
| 18:55.59 | greycat | Shadow_7: does systemd kill bash with -9 or something? If it uses regular kill, bash should still save history. |
| 18:56.16 | greycat | It's still best to close your shell yourself, though. |
| 18:56.22 | petemc | i thought histort was written on logout? |
| 18:56.36 | Shadow_7 | idk... always having to scroll further and further back for latest shutdown command on my youtube box |
| 18:56.45 | greycat | Bash writes history any time it exits, or when you run something like "history -a". |
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| 18:56.58 | greycat | If you kill it with -9 (SIGKILL) it never gets to exit. |
| 18:57.09 | Shadow_7 | IF i shutdown from an xterm. probably kill -9 xterm before bash gets the hit |
| 18:57.26 | greycat | You're guessing. I hope your guesses are wrong. |
| 18:57.58 | klys | you know if bash saves history on sigterm? |
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| 18:58.01 | Shadow_7 | true... but behaviour between issueing a shutdown while root in an xterm differs from root on the non-X console |
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| 18:58.36 | greycat | klys: I just tested. Yes, it does. |
| 18:58.55 | vlmxs | did you guys already celebrated the new year? |
| 18:59.02 | klys | cool, that might be new behavior |
| 18:59.08 | greycat | I doubt it... |
| 18:59.12 | klys | k |
| 18:59.47 | petemc | using terminal.app on mac, history not written if i close terminal without ^d |
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| 19:00.47 | Aebian | is there any log to check why debian is not using any WiFi Connection? |
| 19:00.54 | klys | petemc, sigchld? |
| 19:01.00 | petemc | pass |
| 19:01.04 | klys | k |
| 19:01.08 | jhutchins | petemc: You can also exit/logout. |
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| 19:01.39 | petemc | jhutchins: ^d is same, no? |
| 19:02.11 | klys | ^D is 0x1A or EOF |
| 19:02.46 | greycat | Err, ctrl-D, D is the fourth letter, so it's 0x04. |
| 19:02.47 | petemc | it outputs "logout" when i press it here |
| 19:02.56 | klys | i think, could also be 0x04 |
| 19:03.02 | greycat | Yes, pressing Ctrl-D in Bash or almost any other shell is a synonym for logout or exit. |
| 19:03.46 | greycat | It is also the EOF trigger when reading from a terminal in canonical mode, as indicated in stty. |
| 19:04.16 | greycat | (But bash does not read commands in canonical mode. The implemention is similar on purpose, but it's not the same under the hood.) |
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| 19:08.17 | jeezy | giving debian/powerpc a whirl |
| 19:08.24 | durant | people still use powerpc |
| 19:08.49 | jeezy | hopefully all goes well, had issues with netbsd/openbsd only supporting 32bit kernel, gentoo's installer is broken and freebsd doesnt detect the k2 sata controller |
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| 19:09.03 | jeezy | durant: i dont care if they do, im using it (with debian) |
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| 19:09.38 | jeezy | garland, tx warehouse had a massive sale on powerpc hardware |
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| 19:10.54 | durant | I live in fort worth |
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| 19:11.20 | jeezy | nice |
| 19:12.10 | jeezy | im from new orleans, but i've been in west louisiana the last couple of months |
| 19:12.20 | jeezy | close enough to drive to dallas area and be back in the same day |
| 19:12.28 | piercedwater | booty call! |
| 19:12.37 | jeezy | lol |
| 19:13.11 | vlmxs | jeezy: what is the application of the PowerPC hardware? |
| 19:13.17 | durant | dallas is way better than Austin or Houston |
| 19:13.26 | piercedwater | are you high |
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| 19:13.47 | jeezy | vlmxs: powermac7,3 (G5 dual 2.0) |
| 19:14.21 | jeezy | I used to live in Houston for a while back a few years ago |
| 19:14.25 | jeezy | it was "ok" |
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| 19:14.42 | piercedwater | it's great if you like deodorant |
| 19:15.22 | jeezy | just enough to take the edge off |
| 19:15.24 | vlmxs | so what do you use that for jeezy ? |
| 19:15.48 | vlmxs | I think there are not so much PowerPC's left out there |
| 19:15.58 | vlmxs | since Apple moved to x86 arch |
| 19:16.18 | vlmxs | is it for the museum? |
| 19:16.19 | durant | ARM will beat x86 one day |
| 19:16.48 | vlmxs | Quantum will beat oneday :D |
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| 19:17.45 | durant | You can crack aes in a few seconds with quantum |
| 19:17.54 | vlmxs | yeah right |
| 19:17.55 | vlmxs | :D |
| 19:18.22 | vlmxs | I mean nothing like privacy will ever exist then :D |
| 19:18.46 | vlmxs | I think we would be asked to #debian-offtopic if we continue like we are high :D |
| 19:19.05 | morf | encrypt everything |
| 19:19.16 | vlmxs | Encrypt with what? |
| 19:19.24 | vlmxs | if encryption would not work? |
| 19:19.26 | morf | with your friends |
| 19:19.29 | morf | lol |
| 19:19.36 | vlmxs | k |
| 19:19.36 | BlenderPro | greycat: ! thanks for strace |
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| 19:20.09 | jeezy | vlmxs: i havent been using it at all, trying to resurrect it |
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| 19:20.42 | jeezy | vlmxs: this is why i've chosen debian, everything (hardware) seems to be detect (unlike freebsd) and 64bit kernel support (unlike openbsd/netbsd) and the installer isnt broken (like gentoo) |
| 19:20.59 | jeezy | since ppcmacs are limited to OS X 10.5, no reason to run it anymore |
| 19:21.10 | jeezy | everything i have now is on 10.6~10.10 |
| 19:21.18 | vlmxs | jeezy: thanks |
| 19:21.20 | Shadow_7 | durant: mips will beat arm oneday |
| 19:21.36 | durant | mips is faster than a 8080 |
| 19:21.53 | jeezy | vlmxs: you're welcome |
| 19:21.56 | jeezy | Linux G5 3.16.0-4-powerpc64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u1 (2015-12-14) ppc64 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:22.46 | dvs | There are still some PowerPCs running? |
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| 19:23.18 | jeezy | im running one right now |
| 19:23.26 | dvs | O_O |
| 19:23.43 | jeezy | i just pasted my uname output |
| 19:24.03 | jeezy | this system is up and running, i need to compile a kernel though for some other things i have (MPT SAS card) |
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| 19:24.21 | jeezy | use this 16gb ssd for ccache_dir |
| 19:24.33 | jeezy | a few little things to setup, but then it will be a well oiled machine |
| 19:25.12 | dvs | Are you trying to compile a kernel module? |
| 19:25.23 | Shadow_7 | I was doing Y2K work on a 386 with win 3.11 in 1999, so I'd imagine a few power pc's still out there |
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| 19:27.22 | jeezy | dvs: im going to compile a new kernel altogether |
| 19:27.45 | jeezy | take out what i dont need, add in what i do need |
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| 19:28.18 | dvs | jeezy: Ok. Cool. The kernel-package package helps in this regard. |
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| 19:28.36 | blubee | hey guys i have a question about the linux-images available through the repo |
| 19:28.40 | vlmxs | is it hard tocompile a kernel? |
| 19:28.46 | blubee | how do I know which one is safe to update a new one? |
| 19:28.46 | jeezy | nah |
| 19:28.46 | xingu | Shadow_7: not too many arm based network processors out there ;) |
| 19:28.50 | vlmxs | you build itfromtheblocks or youhave to programme something? |
| 19:28.51 | dvs | vlmxs: not to me. |
| 19:28.56 | jeezy | i usually use gentoo when using linux, so no big deal |
| 19:29.02 | jeezy | compile netbsd kernel too when using |
| 19:29.15 | jeezy | but i would like to see this kernel-package package dvs is speaking of |
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| 19:29.40 | dvs | blubee: The easiest way to do it would be to install the linux-image-amd64 (or whatever arch you have). |
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| 19:30.26 | blubee | dvs: i am on debian with the 3.16 amd64 currently installed |
| 19:30.28 | jeezy | news68k |
| 19:30.31 | jeezy | just kidding |
| 19:30.50 | blubee | but i'll see some like ...+bp0 or some strange extensions, I was just trying to figure out what all those mean |
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| 19:31.31 | Shadow_7 | the special bi-polar branch designed for women... j/k |
| 19:31.37 | dvs | blubee: That is a kernel that comes from the backports repo which is a safe place to get more up-to-date kernels |
| 19:31.40 | jeezy | lol |
| 19:31.56 | greycat | safe-ish |
| 19:32.07 | blubee | dvs i see |
| 19:32.21 | jeezy | oh wait, dvs: i can use backports with powerpc? |
| 19:32.25 | blubee | thanks for the additional info |
| 19:32.44 | dvs | jeezy: I can't see why not. I don't have a PPC to try it on. |
| 19:32.44 | jeezy | i didnt know if it were maintained, or what the situation was |
| 19:32.54 | jeezy | dvs: true, ill test it out and let you know |
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| 19:33.37 | dvs | jeezy: They aren't regularly maintained but they are available when "someone feels like making a package" |
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| 19:35.13 | jeezy | dvs: understood |
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| 19:35.33 | jeezy | may have to do some compiling on my end for things i cannot find |
| 19:35.48 | jeezy | that's why ive already added this ssd for ccache |
| 19:36.06 | jeezy | and whatever else should be in /var/tmp |
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| 19:37.34 | jeezy | dvs: oh the built in wireless card on the g5 (broadcom) seems to need firmware to be operational, ill let you know how that comes along too |
| 19:37.53 | jeezy | dvs: backports seem good to go |
| 19:38.00 | dvs | jeezy: You'll need the firmware from backports if you get the kernel |
| 19:38.16 | jeezy | i see the 4.3.0 kernel for ppc64 in backports repo |
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| 19:39.25 | jeezy | dvs: giving it a go to see what happens |
| 19:39.49 | Furai | Is there any way to edit yaffs images? |
| 19:40.07 | jeezy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.12 | jeezy | what's the reason for this? |
| 19:40.32 | dvs | jeezy: code updates for intel and AMD CPUs. |
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| 19:41.00 | jeezy | dvs: ah, ill just ignore it then |
| 19:41.04 | dvs | sure |
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| 19:44.36 | Rueda | my pc crashed! |
| 19:44.42 | Rueda | for an sd card |
| 19:44.50 | Shadow_7 | Furai: depends on if you want yaffs output. a2ps might handle them. If I knew what yaffs were |
| 19:45.06 | dvs | looks at Shadow_7 |
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| 19:45.35 | jeezy | dvs: tried installing 4.3.0 from backports |
| 19:45.37 | jeezy | Linux G5 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-powerpc64 #1 SMP Debian 4.3.3-2~bpo8+1 (2015-12-23) ppc64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:45.41 | jeezy | boots ok and all |
| 19:45.42 | Shadow_7 | readies trout |
| 19:45.58 | dvs | jeezy: Did you get the firmware too? |
| 19:45.59 | Rueda | is there an app to read info of a video file in debian |
| 19:46.13 | Shadow_7 | Rueda: avprobe / ffprobe |
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| 19:46.26 | axc1298 | anyone know why i can't copy files to debian from a mounted windows hard drive? i did some searching and it said to install the ntfs-3g package, which i already had. i get permission denied whenever i try to copy the files, even though i can access them on the drive itself |
| 19:47.01 | Shadow_7 | axc1298: is the / read-only? |
| 19:47.38 | axc1298 | Shadow_7: no. i can create files on it |
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| 19:48.04 | axc1298 | could it be that i need usbfs group access? i just read that online and when i typed 'id' i don't see any usb one listed |
| 19:48.21 | netgod | axc1298: it usually mounts it so only root can access the files; I had to put this in my /etc/fstab |
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| 19:48.31 | jeezy | dvs: yes, but it doesnt seem to work with the broadcom wireless nic |
| 19:48.35 | netgod | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.36 | jeezy | i may have to compile a kernel anyways |
| 19:48.41 | dvs | oh broadcom.... |
| 19:48.41 | axc1298 | netgod: i tried using rsync as root to copy the files and still got permission denied |
| 19:48.45 | jeezy | is finding any excuse to compile a kernel |
| 19:48.52 | dvs | jeezy: What chip? |
| 19:48.55 | netgod | axc1298: ah, that's a different problem then |
| 19:50.04 | jeezy | dvs: let me check |
| 19:50.29 | jeezy | dvs: b43 |
| 19:50.34 | Furai | Shadow_7, http://www.yaffs.net/ |
| 19:50.39 | dvs | yuck! |
| 19:50.41 | jeezy | dvs: Broadcom 4306 |
| 19:50.44 | jeezy | ya, i know it lol |
| 19:51.09 | dvs | jeezy: https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 19:51.18 | jeezy | dvs: nice |
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| 19:52.44 | jeezy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.46 | jeezy | yikes |
| 19:52.51 | jeezy | give me a few to get this untangled |
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| 19:53.41 | dvs | backports too? |
| 19:53.49 | Shadow_7 | jeezy: I have a few 4306 type wifi chipsets. One requires the 4.150... firmware (not what comes with debian)... http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/ |
| 19:53.50 | jeezy | yes |
| 19:54.03 | jeezy | Shadow_7: will try it |
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| 19:54.47 | Shadow_7 | That one is the dell inspiron 1150 that needs the broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5.tar.bz2 firmware |
| 19:55.04 | Shadow_7 | The 5.100.138 that comes with debian doesn't work on it |
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| 19:56.21 | Rueda | Shadow_7: what happens when you don't install a firmware for a nic I notice it still works |
| 19:56.52 | jeezy | i see here there is a package in apt repo, b43-installer |
| 19:56.58 | Shadow_7 | Rueda: for wifi ones they tend to not work at all, or have firmware you're not noticing. |
| 19:57.09 | Shadow_7 | For others they just don't work at full spec |
| 19:57.10 | jeezy | it downloads that tar.bz2 that Shadow_7 showed tome |
| 19:57.33 | Shadow_7 | jeezy: it does the 5.100.138 |
| 19:57.44 | jeezy | Shadow_7: yes |
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| 19:57.49 | jeezy | firmware-b43-installer |
| 19:58.14 | Shadow_7 | jeezy: via b43-fwcutter... but 4.150.... is the one that works with my particular hardware. |
| 19:58.30 | Shadow_7 | and b43-fwcutter needs the --unsupported flag |
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| 19:58.41 | Rueda | Shadow_7: debian was asking me to install firmware during installation I think I never did it until recently it was easy |
| 19:58.50 | Rueda | Shadow_7: but I haven't notice anything special |
| 19:59.04 | jeezy | Shadow_7: ah, thanks for this info |
| 19:59.11 | Saulo | away: HAPPY NEW YEAR! [Log: pvt on - canal on] |
| 19:59.36 | Rueda | new year is not until 12 more hours |
| 19:59.37 | Rueda | is eve |
| 19:59.47 | jeezy | hey Shadow_7 |
| 19:59.49 | jeezy | root@G5:~# ifconfig -a|grep wlan0 |
| 19:59.51 | jeezy | wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr |
| 19:59.51 | Shadow_7 | Furai: so by "image" you mean filesystem |
| 19:59.51 | greycat | Depends on where yoiu are. |
| 19:59.56 | SynrG | Saulo: Please turn that thing off. |
| 19:59.58 | greycat | It's 2016 in some places. |
| 20:00.01 | jeezy | working well, dvs: it was that package from apt repo |
| 20:00.18 | Rueda | greycat: wow some places are more advanced? |
| 20:00.43 | jeezy | before this i was using a wireless AP with cat6 cable from the NIC |
| 20:00.56 | SynrG | !tell Saulo about away |
| 20:01.13 | greycat | $ TZ='Australia/Sydney' date |
| 20:01.13 | greycat | Fri Jan 1 07:01:07 AEDT 2016 |
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| 20:02.14 | jeezy | showing local ip as 198.x.x.x; Shadow_7 |
| 20:02.18 | jeezy | hehe, we know that isnt correct |
| 20:02.23 | jeezy | will have a few kinks to work out |
| 20:02.24 | Shadow_7 | jeezy: if it gets wonky on you, try the other firmwares for that chipset. I think the dell works (for a short bit) on the 5. firmware. But needs to be randomly ifconfig wlan0 down && modprobe -r b43 && modprobe b43 && ifconfig wlan0 up ..... |
| 20:02.33 | Shadow_7 | jeezy: or a reboot does the trick too |
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| 20:02.39 | Rueda | greycat: I don't care if australia set their clocks soon is still 12 hours to midnight |
| 20:02.40 | jeezy | Shadow_7: nice, will try it |
| 20:02.57 | Shadow_7 | jeezy: I made a youtube video on my i1150 lappy |
| 20:03.01 | jeezy | sweet! |
| 20:03.05 | greycat | It's 9 hours to midnight where I am. See, the earth is round.... |
| 20:03.05 | jeezy | let's see it |
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| 20:04.02 | Rueda | Shadow_7: what's the video url |
| 20:04.03 | Shadow_7 | jeezy: aka self postit note... getting old, it's my artificial irl ram... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIF-rqvBUHI |
| 20:04.43 | Rueda | greycat: well half the earth gets day time |
| 20:04.52 | jeezy | Shadow_7: nice! watching now |
| 20:04.55 | Shadow_7 | heh... haven't made a video in 8 months... I should buy some 5 hour energy |
| 20:05.02 | Furai | Shadow_7, yes. |
| 20:05.19 | Furai | Shadow_7, i called it image because of .img extension. Sorry for confusion. |
| 20:05.39 | jeezy | Shadow_7: i like this 280bitmap fonts video o nthe right , ill watch it next |
| 20:05.43 | Rueda | Shadow_7: I recommend eating maca is good for vitality and libido |
| 20:05.46 | Rueda | stamina |
| 20:05.56 | Shadow_7 | Furai: so is package unyaffs related to the yaff |
| 20:05.59 | Rueda | is a root from my country |
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| 20:06.25 | Shadow_7 | jeezy: there's one after it which has the bash I used to create the fonts. |
| 20:06.47 | Shadow_7 | jeezy: well.. convert the fonts... the fonts were created in the 70s / 80s |
| 20:06.52 | Furai | Shadow_7, I've seen this package but I see no way to create yaffs again from it. |
| 20:07.12 | Shadow_7 | Furai: dd from the partition? |
| 20:07.52 | jeezy | Shadow_7: here is the hardware device im dealing with here |
| 20:07.54 | jeezy | 0001:05:01.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4320] (rev 03) |
| 20:07.56 | jeezy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.23 | Shadow_7 | Furai: I should probably check it out, I run full fledge distros from SDHC cards all the time. Normally ext2 is the goto because of wear leveling. Through on a journal and lifespan drops by a lot |
| 20:08.29 | Furai | Shadow_7, unfortunately I have no idea how dd works. Used it once in some tutorial. |
| 20:08.38 | jeezy | ill get it eventually though, about to head to grocery store for NYE foods to cook |
| 20:08.40 | markybob | , pciid 106b:004e |
| 20:08.41 | judd | [106b:004e] is 'Unknown device' from 'Apple Inc.' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=106b:004e |
| 20:08.56 | Shadow_7 | pushes power button on that old dell |
| 20:09.02 | markybob | , pciid 14e4:4320 |
| 20:09.03 | judd | [14e4:4320] is 'BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4320 |
| 20:09.38 | jeezy | markybob: nice |
| 20:09.48 | jeezy | i didnt realize there was a bot in here for that |
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| 20:10.14 | jeezy | , pciid 1002:4150 |
| 20:10.15 | judd | [1002:4150] is 'RV350 [Radeon 9550/9600/X1050 Series]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeonfb', 'radeon' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:4150 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 20:10.33 | Shadow_7 | jeezy: same specs... except on 02:02.0 on my lappy |
| 20:11.09 | jeezy | sweet |
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| 20:11.26 | Furai | Shadow_7, unyaffs gives me error that it's probably not yaffs2 file format. Great. |
| 20:11.49 | Rueda | Shadow_7: Im watching your video |
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| 20:11.51 | Rueda | is cool |
| 20:11.54 | Shadow_7 | Furai: it's a byte by byte copy of the partition. |
| 20:12.29 | Shadow_7 | I have a 2nd channel on origami. It had more views than that almost 10yo channel in it's first week |
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| 20:13.28 | Shadow_7 | although it's been like 4 years since I uploaded to it. The old camcorder doesn't like to be pointing at the ground now. |
| 20:13.52 | Furai | Shadow_7, ok, anyway, you're busy and I have no patience right now to learn all of required information to be able to do that. I simply have no idea what I'm doing at the moment. |
| 20:14.13 | Shadow_7 | Furai: filesystems normally have a kernel portion |
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| 20:14.44 | Shadow_7 | Furai: so probably not for the meek... but if you want to clone a storage device to a device exactly like it, then dd is a good option |
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| 20:15.31 | greycat | dd_rescue is also good |
| 20:15.44 | Shadow_7 | dcfldd is nice too for it's progress output |
| 20:16.15 | Furai | Shadow_7, thanks for help. I don't really want to copy it to physical device. This file is used by android VM. |
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| 20:17.06 | Furai | Changes I do to the vm in runtime are not saved. |
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| 20:17.18 | Shadow_7 | Rueda: all the videos there that weren't directly from the camcorder were edited or created under linux |
| 20:17.49 | Rueda | Shadow_7: you used a camcorder to record the screen? |
| 20:18.07 | Rueda | on this last video? because you run a screen recorder from a terminal |
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| 20:50.27 | Scriptonaut | Hey guys, I'd like to start rtorrent whenever I login to debian, how would I achieve this. Note, I don't want it to start when I startx, I want it to start whenever I login, even if I'm only logging into the terminal |
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| 20:50.31 | Cezikos | !android |
| 20:50.31 | dpkg | Android is a Linux-based operating system for mobile devices. http://www.android.com/ #android on irc.freenode.net. For the related font family, ask me about <droid>. See also <adb> <lildebi> <mobile>. |
| 20:52.04 | Sonyy | Love you IAN Murdock |
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| 20:53.04 | greycat | Scriptonaut: "even if"? Does that mean you sometimes log in through a *dm GUI thing? |
| 20:53.17 | Scriptonaut | greycat: yes |
| 20:53.24 | greycat | Which one? |
| 20:53.49 | Scriptonaut | I usually login with lightdm |
| 20:53.51 | Scriptonaut | into dwm |
| 20:53.54 | Scriptonaut | or openbox |
| 20:54.18 | Scriptonaut | what exactly is systemd for, I'm reading that I could use that to start it |
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| 20:55.05 | Devastator | I need to git bisect a driver from latest kernel to find the offending patch, what is the best way to do this in Debian? |
| 20:55.21 | petemc | changelog |
| 20:55.31 | petemc | i would have thought, not something ive done |
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| 20:56.19 | Devastator | petemc was that for me? |
| 20:56.25 | petemc | yes |
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| 20:56.58 | Devastator | petemc actually I really have to git bisect in order to test each commit |
| 20:57.13 | petemc | i missed you mentioning git, sorry |
| 20:57.18 | petemc | im no help |
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| 20:57.32 | greycat | once again plays the "let's see if we can find documentation on how to configure lightdm" game, and once again loses |
| 20:57.57 | Devastator | hehehe |
| 20:58.06 | Scriptonaut | is there really not just a place in debian that runs whenever a user logs in? |
| 20:58.07 | Devastator | so many dms now |
| 20:58.14 | Shadow_7 | greycat: the documentation is in the source |
| 20:58.15 | Scriptonaut | how are the daemons started? |
| 20:58.16 | Scriptonaut | sshd, etc |
| 20:58.22 | Spec | Shadow_7: oh? python? self documenting? :D |
| 20:58.30 | Scriptonaut | I want it to start like that |
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| 20:59.14 | greycat | Scriptonaut: DAEMONS are started as root at boot time. Not even remotely similar to what happens when a user logs in. |
| 20:59.31 | Shadow_7 | Scriptonaut: on newer things that's handled via init system, aka systemd ... formerly sysv / bsd / ... |
| 20:59.40 | greycat | Scriptonaut: but if you're ACTUALLY SAYING that you want rtorrent to start at BOOT TIME, that's a hugely different problem! |
| 20:59.48 | Scriptonaut | I think I can put it in systemd |
| 20:59.57 | Scriptonaut | and then everytime I start my torrent will start in the background |
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| 21:00.28 | awal1 | Why all apps are centered in my Openbox and there exact position in the desktop are remembered except Chromium? That exception occurs under all DE and WM I run, so it's a Chromium related not DE or WM. Any clue? |
| 21:00.37 | Shadow_7 | when you login .bashrc executes (if bash is your default shell) (and executes everytime your open an xterm...) |
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| 21:01.09 | Shadow_7 | awal1: chromium does it's own thing and remembers where it was last... wmctrl can help nudge it. |
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| 21:02.24 | Scriptonaut | Shadow_7: ya that's the problem |
| 21:02.29 | Scriptonaut | I don't want to start it eveyrtime I open a shell |
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| 21:02.37 | Scriptonaut | I usually have anywhere from 6-12 shells open at a time |
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| 21:02.44 | greycat | Shadow_7: no, at login, .bash_login or .bash_profile is executed, not necessarily .bashrc |
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| 21:03.00 | greycat | The problem is, that is only when you login in a SHELL context (console, ssh), not a GUI context. |
| 21:03.08 | Shadow_7 | Scriptonaut: you could do something like.... if [ ! $(pgrep rtorrent) ]; then rtorrent; fi |
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| 21:03.25 | greycat | Shadow_7: NO, STOP. The PROBLEM IS none of this applies to lightdm. At all. |
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| 21:03.44 | greycat | Lightdm does not read ANY of bash's startup files. |
| 21:03.57 | Shadow_7 | true. you would have to open an xterm to start it |
| 21:04.02 | Scriptonaut | I want this to start independent of lighdm |
| 21:04.10 | greycat | Scriptonaut: Do you just want it to run AT BOOT TIME? |
| 21:04.13 | Scriptonaut | yep |
| 21:04.15 | greycat | because that's MUCH easier |
| 21:04.18 | Scriptonaut | ya |
| 21:04.24 | greycat | Yes, you can write a systemd unit file for this. |
| 21:04.25 | Scriptonaut | sorry, should have clarified |
| 21:04.29 | Scriptonaut | ah, cool |
| 21:04.32 | Scriptonaut | thanks |
| 21:04.33 | Shadow_7 | at boot time is easier, but at boot time and as a specific user? |
| 21:04.41 | Scriptonaut | ya, as a specific user |
| 21:04.46 | Scriptonaut | it needs to read my .rtorrent.rc |
| 21:05.09 | Shadow_7 | I just have a after_gui.sh or after_boot.sh that I run when I login normally |
| 21:05.22 | Shadow_7 | It's manual, but does the job |
| 21:05.23 | Scriptonaut | where do you execute it from |
| 21:05.26 | Scriptonaut | that's a nice idea |
| 21:05.36 | greycat | Systemd should run it. You'll need to read up on how to write systemd unit files. |
| 21:05.39 | greycat | It's not trivial. |
| 21:05.43 | Scriptonaut | ok |
| 21:05.46 | wyre | someone knows why when I use netcat with termbin and long files i get "use netcat" message? |
| 21:05.54 | Scriptonaut | so, make a systemd entry to execute after_boot.sh |
| 21:06.02 | greycat | But it's a fuckload easier than trying to find ANY WEB PAGE IN THE UNIVERSE that documents how to configure lightdm AS A USER. |
| 21:06.13 | Scriptonaut | hehe |
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| 21:06.16 | greycat | They all say shit like "LightDM configuration file is found at /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf." (https://wiki.debian.org/LightDM) |
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| 21:06.22 | Scriptonaut | thanks for the help guys |
| 21:06.29 | Scriptonaut | I'm thinking of moving away from lightdm |
| 21:06.31 | Scriptonaut | and just startx |
| 21:06.36 | Scriptonaut | it's kind of a pain |
| 21:06.37 | Scriptonaut | and not pretty |
| 21:06.41 | Shadow_7 | meh. can't be bothered to change system confs. Less likely to back those up or set them up on a fresh install |
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| 21:07.24 | awal1 | Shadow_7: The problem is that I move chromium somewhere and it doesnt remember its position at all when launched again.; sometimes it starts with a portion of it hidden in the desktop. Ok, I'll check wmctrl . Thanks |
| 21:07.57 | Shadow_7 | awal1: if you use it's file -> exit / quit way to exit it, not the X of the wm or other things it recalls iirc |
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| 21:08.16 | Shadow_7 | awal1: otherwise wmctrl will move / resize it after the fact |
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| 21:10.01 | Shadow_7 | awal1: the -r :SELECT: option is nice |
| 21:10.31 | Shadow_7 | since name matching is insinsitive and tends to do the lowest PID only |
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| 21:12.40 | awal1 | Shadow_7: ok, ok, got you, thanks. i'll learn/and check what I can do here :) |
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| 21:13.39 | Shadow_7 | awal1: wmctrl -r :SELECT: -e 0,x,y,width,height (which includes the window decorations for width/height iirc |
| 21:13.54 | greycat | Scriptonaut: A lot of what you'll need is documented in "man systemd.exec", including options like "User=" |
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| 21:14.06 | Shadow_7 | the first number is gravity, 0 inherits current setting |
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| 21:16.24 | Shadow_7 | awal1: wmctrl -lpG to show current values... although offset numbers are whacked on cwm. need the -1 and /2 to get real numbers |
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| 21:18.33 | awal1 | Shadow_7: ok, I'm with man wmctrl now, I have it installed time ago and forgot it. I'll check/learn it quietly and practice with it. Thanks for your time |
| 21:19.22 | Shadow_7 | awal1: one trick of sorts is to scale windowed games that scale to multiples of 16 and to an offset that lines up with multiples of 16 and that tends to favor your GPUs abilities |
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| 21:21.35 | Shadow_7 | not going to double performance, but could get you as much as +5%. And some gamers pay $K's for +5% |
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| 21:22.15 | awal1 | Shadow_7: I'm a bit newbie to all what you are talking about, never played with this kind of "stuffs". I can't follow you :D I need time for discover and learn about all that :) |
| 21:22.47 | Shadow_7 | it's more of a video codec thing. It tends to compress in 16x16 pixel blocks |
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| 21:23.31 | Shadow_7 | plus CPU thing with RAM alignment and other quirks |
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| 21:24.59 | Scriptonaut | Shadow_7: I'm setting up a file: /lib/systemd/system/after_login.service. I have to give it a PIDFile, did you just add a file like /run/after_login.pid? |
| 21:25.12 | Scriptonaut | by the way, I'm trying to setup an afterlogin script like you said you did |
| 21:25.21 | Shadow_7 | Scriptonaut: not the one to ask on that stuff |
| 21:25.31 | Scriptonaut | ah |
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| 21:26.01 | Shadow_7 | I'm still learned on the old way... /etc/init.d/... and /etc/rc?.d/S99_..... |
| 21:26.04 | greycat | Scriptonaut: DO NOT use pid files. That's the whole point of systemd vs. sysvinit. You don't use PID files. You don't launch things in the background without a parent. |
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| 21:27.19 | Scriptonaut | greycat: this tutorial tells you to have a pid file: https://medium.com/@johannes_gehrs/getting-started-with-systemd-on-debian-jessie-e024758ca63d#.lg0pqov9f |
| 21:27.23 | Scriptonaut | am I missing something major here/ |
| 21:27.46 | greycat | Then stop reading it. |
| 21:28.09 | Scriptonaut | ok |
| 21:28.42 | greycat | The whole point of managed services (systemd, runit, daemontools) is you tell it "run this, in the foreground". And it runs it, in the foreground. And then if it ever dies, it can run it again. |
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| 21:31.08 | wulllst | hey there. how could i possibly get a list of all file managers available in debian stable? |
| 21:31.32 | somiaj | wulllst: apt-cache search file manager |
| 21:31.39 | somiaj | not sure if you want to put file manager in quotes or not though |
| 21:31.57 | Shadow_7 | wulllst: dselect update && less /var/lib/dpkg/available |
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| 21:36.06 | wulllst | Shadow_7: i apparently do not have dselect installed |
| 21:36.32 | Shadow_7 | wulllst: there's probably an apt-cache way to find the information |
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| 21:38.15 | Shadow_7 | but I kind of like the WORD::WORD classes of available since it's near a description |
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| 21:39.08 | donofrio | 1680 in the room whoa |
| 21:39.21 | vlmxs | donofrio: Happy New Year :D |
| 21:39.28 | donofrio | Happy New Year too all! |
| 21:39.57 | Shadow_7 | donofrio: 300 nsa spies, 300 gchq, 300 russia, 300 china, .... not that many people really |
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| 21:41.34 | wulllst | Shadow_7: i think /var/lib/dpkg/available isn't really the right file to look into |
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| 21:41.55 | wulllst | Shadow_7: but may it is if you perform dselect update before |
| 21:42.01 | Shadow_7 | wulllst: look at the tags for fileroller (or whatever it's modern name is) |
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| 21:42.33 | Shadow_7 | nautilus and others |
| 21:42.36 | wulllst | Shadow_7: i'll simply write all package descriptions from apt-cache into a file. |
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| 21:43.11 | Devastator | ,v kernels |
| 21:43.12 | judd | No package named 'kernels' was found in amd64. |
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| 21:43.27 | Devastator | damn, I always forget the keyword for kernel versions |
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| 21:43.54 | Shadow_7 | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 21:43.55 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.2+68~bpo8+2; stretch: 4.3+70; sid: 4.3+70 |
| 21:44.01 | vlmxs | does anybody know what is the utilities used on this screen here: https://tmux.debian.io/ss-tmux2.png |
| 21:44.01 | wulllst | Shadow_7: i actually thought that packages would be tagged. |
| 21:44.14 | greycat | ,kernels |
| 21:44.15 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.4.0-rc6-686-pae (4.4~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-2); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-2); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.3-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u6~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u1) |
| 21:44.35 | vlmxs | in the right top corner is kind of "top" |
| 21:44.38 | Devastator | thank you greycat! |
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| 21:45.09 | vlmxs | and there is a status line down below |
| 21:45.16 | vlmxs | I do not see it :/ |
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| 21:48.14 | vlmxs | oh there is a channel for that :) |
| 21:49.12 | Shadow_7 | vlmxs: usa interwebs... debian.io doesn't even resolve |
| 21:50.34 | Devastator | greycat isn't the kernel package name linux-image-<version>? |
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| 21:51.53 | greycat | ",kernels" is the bot trigger |
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| 21:52.52 | Devastator | greycat this is what I tried to install a new kernel: apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 |
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| 21:53.03 | Devastator | but it can't find the package with this name |
| 21:53.34 | greycat | Do an apt-cache search and see what packages are actually available. |
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| 21:54.01 | Shadow_7 | Devastator: apt-cache search --names-only linux-image |
| 21:54.30 | Devastator | ah, missed the amd64 tag :P |
| 21:54.31 | Devastator | thanks |
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| 21:55.50 | Devastator | greycat as a suggestion, shouldn't ",kernels" bring amd64 kernels as well? |
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| 21:58.58 | greycat | I don't know how long ago that bot was written. Nor by whom. It may date back to when i386 was the primary arch. |
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| 22:02.15 | bryanp | Just found that `/etc/init.d/celeryd start` works, while `service celeryd start` fails right away. Never hit this one before. Whats the diff? |
| 22:02.42 | zykotick9 | Devastator: it's weird, when you call judd for a version of something '/msg judd version vim' you get amd64 be default? |
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| 22:08.14 | Horse | hello! i am having a problem when trying to use "dovecot -n" where it is only showing 1 configuration files contents (custom one) but its not going to the ones after that. any ideas? |
| 22:08.31 | Devastator | zykotick9 yeah, I guess it makes sense |
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| 22:09.07 | drpresident | hey guys im having some trouble with my nvidia driver, it wont let me install the nvidia-driver because of unmet depenencies and ive installed them all, but then it says that nvidia-driver-bin replaces it, but startx tells me there are no screens found. I think its because i blacklisted nouveau so i have no actual driver installed |
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| 22:09.43 | Devastator | !nvidia |
| 22:09.43 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:10.08 | drpresident | ok thank you ill go to nviida |
| 22:10.11 | drpresident | nvidia* |
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| 22:11.32 | Horse | doies anybody know?? |
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| 22:18.12 | bazhang | #dovecot horse |
| 22:18.20 | bazhang | ask n quit |
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| 22:19.48 | hoppits | Hello |
| 22:19.53 | hoppits | I am new here |
| 22:20.02 | holycow | hi. i want update from d7 to d8. is systemd a requirement? I want to keep sysv if possible. |
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| 22:20.52 | hoppits | Yes. |
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| 22:21.14 | hoppits | That and I have a nexus 7 original dual booted with Debian testing |
| 22:21.33 | somiaj | !remove systemd |
| 22:21.33 | dpkg | To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby - See also <upstart> and <openrc> |
| 22:21.53 | somiaj | hoppits: that link has instructions for upgrading from 7->8 and not switch to systemd |
| 22:22.03 | hoppits | Oh... |
| 22:22.03 | somiaj | hoppits: you have to have some bits of systemd installed, but you can remove it as init. |
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| 22:22.12 | somiaj | holycow: sorry that was for you |
| 22:22.17 | somiaj | holycow: bad tab completion. |
| 22:22.26 | hoppits | Wow that makes things a lot easier. |
| 22:23.01 | hoppits | I feel like a idiot. |
| 22:24.08 | hoppits | If only I could update my tablet all the way... |
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| 22:25.23 | vlmxs | hey Debians! |
| 22:25.41 | vlmxs | I have found a file in Github |
| 22:25.54 | vlmxs | Howcan I copy to my machine? What would be the command? |
| 22:25.55 | Scriptonaut | I am trying to run a script after booting with systemd, I am getting such contradictory instructions on how to do this. Where do I put my systemd unit file? /lib/systemd/system? /lib/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants? /etc/systemd/system/ ? I've been told to put the file in all of those different places. Where do I put it? |
| 22:26.01 | Scriptonaut | vlmxs: git clone |
| 22:26.17 | Scriptonaut | For example, here is one of the explanations I got: http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/47715 |
| 22:26.22 | vlmxs | ok |
| 22:26.27 | vlmxs | http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/47715 |
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| 22:26.33 | Scriptonaut | then the other one I read said to NEVER put your unit file manually into /etc/systemd/system/ |
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| 22:26.48 | holycow | somiaj: thank you |
| 22:27.23 | vlmxs | well I have found a conf file for tmux |
| 22:27.35 | vlmxs | and I wanted to copy it from github :) |
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| 22:28.20 | hoppits | Oh. |
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| 22:29.37 | hoppits | Been on the fritz lately with my mind so I can't really think right now. |
| 22:29.50 | hoppits | Like typing werid stuff in the terminal |
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| 22:30.12 | wewlad | hoppits: hey |
| 22:30.22 | xand | drugs are bad mmkay |
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| 22:30.56 | hoppits | I haven't been on drugs just been up for along time |
| 22:31.00 | wewlad | hoppits: how does debian perform on your nexus7 (is it 2012 or 2013?)? |
| 22:31.34 | wewlad | what works and what doesn't? what's your 2nd OS on that tablet? |
| 22:31.52 | hoppits | wewlad it performs quite well though ice weasel glitches to death on it |
| 22:32.05 | hoppits | Also it's the nexus 7 2012 |
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| 22:32.30 | hoppits | Oh yeah and my second os is paranoid android. |
| 22:32.33 | wewlad | d'u have a 3g module? |
| 22:32.37 | hoppits | 5.1.1 |
| 22:32.41 | hoppits | Nope |
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| 22:32.53 | hoppits | I have a grouper nexus 7 |
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| 22:33.01 | wewlad | a grouper? |
| 22:33.12 | wewlad | what does that mean? |
| 22:33.37 | hoppits | Basically it's the model name of the tablet |
| 22:33.52 | wewlad | oh |
| 22:33.55 | hoppits | The one with a 3g radio in it has a different model name |
| 22:34.04 | wewlad | yeah, I got what you mean |
| 22:34.22 | wewlad | i have nexus7 2012 with 3g and nexus 7 2013 wi-fi only |
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| 22:34.35 | hoppits | Oh |
| 22:34.45 | linuxr | hi all. I'm trying to install the mate desktop on the latest raspbian (debian jessie)...I ran sudo apt-get install mate-core mate-desktop-environment , but when rebooting it's still LXDE, not mate, coming up...any help? |
| 22:34.53 | wewlad | both are running cyanogenmod, but after the update I got into lots of troubles |
| 22:35.14 | wewlad | apps crash upon start :-/ |
| 22:35.18 | wewlad | all apps |
| 22:35.27 | hoppits | That's just the rom itself |
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| 22:35.55 | hoppits | I was able to run some pretty resource intensive games on my tablet with paranoid android. |
| 22:36.07 | wewlad | I needed some minimal gapps since I needed play market to work |
| 22:36.20 | hoppits | Oh... |
| 22:36.31 | wewlad | well, I don't care much about games performance, all I need is stable work |
| 22:36.38 | hoppits | I had the problem with Cynaogen mod. |
| 22:36.40 | wewlad | I probably shouldn't have updated the os... |
| 22:36.53 | hoppits | So I installed paranoid android instead. |
| 22:36.53 | JT|work | linuxr: you need to change your default DE somehow |
| 22:37.09 | JT|work | usually there's an option to pick which in the desktop manager |
| 22:37.19 | linuxr | JT|work, yes, any idea how I would do that? :) |
| 22:37.22 | JT|work | but if I remember correctly, pi's just log you in automatically and boot straight to the desktop |
| 22:37.40 | JT|work | check for an ~/.xinitrc |
| 22:37.56 | hoppits | Google play services don't crash all the time in paranoid android at least with the gapps that you can download for it |
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| 22:38.26 | jordanm | update-alternatives --set x-session-manager |
| 22:38.38 | JT|work | linuxr: ^^ |
| 22:39.08 | hoppits | I'm assuming you probably used open gapps. Wewlad. |
| 22:39.15 | linuxr | JT|work, I tried to create a .xinitrc file and try some stuff, but with no effect |
| 22:39.35 | hoppits | I wonder if there are any gapps specifically for cynaogen mod... |
| 22:40.15 | JT|work | I don't think so hoppits |
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| 22:40.46 | hoppits | I have dinner brb |
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| 22:42.11 | beepie | JT|work, you mean "hobbits" |
| 22:42.23 | beepie | JT|work, gosh your litterature sux |
| 22:42.48 | bazhang | * [hoppits] (~hoppits@2600:1003:b10d:1d47:b1a0:1f56:1ab5:db59): hoppits beepie |
| 22:42.51 | JT|work | but but but |
| 22:42.55 | beepie | lol |
| 22:43.17 | beepie | hoppits, hobbit. |
| 22:43.25 | JT|work | whose dick to I have to suck around here to get kdeconnect backported to stable? :D |
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| 22:43.50 | JT|work | I want that remote keyboard plugin so bad |
| 22:43.52 | bazhang | JT|work, thats not welcome here |
| 22:43.58 | beepie | yeah that's not welcome |
| 22:44.04 | JT|work | ok, sorry, won't happen again |
| 22:44.06 | linuxr | jordanm, what would be the argument to this? |
| 22:44.07 | beepie | hobbit is not that much of a satire |
| 22:44.29 | drpresident | when i look at an xorg log file, it says the modules are compiled for 4.0.2, is that the kernel version? |
| 22:44.35 | hoppits | The problem stems from Cynaogen mod not letting the setup manager lock the ui. |
| 22:44.43 | hoppits | Brb dinner |
| 22:44.48 | drpresident | becaue im running version 3 and startx fials |
| 22:44.53 | drpresident | fails* |
| 22:45.05 | beepie | lots of crazy news around ian murdock, not going to elaborate, but i'm curious to really know wtf happened there |
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| 22:45.18 | beepie | awaits for news |
| 22:45.23 | beepie | online |
| 22:45.51 | beepie | i mean "online" news sites, this isn't the channel for this, but i share my condolences |
| 22:45.59 | beepie | sad story |
| 22:46.20 | dvs | beepie: #debian-offtopic |
| 22:46.50 | beepie | dvs, y respects |
| 22:47.02 | beepie | hat tip |
| 22:47.07 | awal1 | A bit lost with youtube-dl here. How to choose a specific folder where to download a full playlist (youtube)? |
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| 22:47.29 | JT|work | awal1: why not cd to the dir beforehand? |
| 22:47.49 | bazhang | awall the browser plugin does that easily |
| 22:47.54 | JT|work | you can move it with the exec option, I don't know about saving it's output somewhere |
| 22:48.09 | zykotick9 | awal1: just curious, are you using the youtube-dl packaged in debian? I wasn't able to get it working the other day... |
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| 22:48.20 | JT|work | youtube-dl http://video.mp4 -exec mv {} ~/coolvids \; |
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| 22:48.54 | awal1 | Jt|work: you mean cd to 'videos' dir for example and then run youtube-dl? |
| 22:49.13 | awal1 | bazhang: which plugin you mean? |
| 22:49.42 | bazhang | awall the youtube download helper plugin |
| 22:49.46 | JT|work | awal1: yes exactly |
| 22:50.31 | awal1 | zykotick9: I use debian packaged youtube-dl ofcourse, only debian packs here all the time. But using sid right now, so jessie pack may be broken or something, no idea, sorry |
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| 22:51.24 | JT|work | awal1: I'd recommend installing youtube-dl from the project's page |
| 22:51.30 | JT|work | it's updated nearly daily |
| 22:51.38 | JT|work | and it's simple to keep up to date on your system |
| 22:51.44 | zykotick9 | awal1: ahh sid... you might as well be using a different distro to me ;) i'm using stable. i actually downloaded the script from outside of debian repos, and it was the same result... i was just curious. |
| 22:51.47 | JT|work | the debian version disables it's built-in update feature |
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| 22:52.15 | linuxr | jordanm, thanks, update-alternatives did the trick! |
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| 22:52.55 | JT|work | hey I told you to read his comment, I deserve some of the credit |
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| 22:55.17 | awal1 | JT|work: cd to the specific dir then run y-dl works like a charm. thanks. |
| 22:55.33 | awal1 | I never use app outside of debian repos. :P |
| 22:56.24 | awal1 | 'cclive' is another powerful and nice video downloader, similar to youtube-dl, it works well but seems not supporting playlist download for now :( |
| 22:56.36 | zykotick9 | awal1: "I never use app outside of debian repos." <- i hear that! |
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| 22:57.42 | awal1 | zykotick9: it's a choice :) |
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| 22:58.13 | awal1 | zykotick9: try 'cclive' app if youtube-dl doesn't work for you. I use it and it's nice |
| 22:58.18 | zykotick9 | awal1: i also don't have contrib or non-free enabled. that's also a choice ;) |
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| 22:58.36 | zykotick9 | mpv could play the video :) |
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| 22:58.51 | awal1 | cclive -s best "url" and done |
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| 22:59.37 | awal1 | url always between quotes. cclive -s best "youtube-url" |
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| 23:01.19 | donofrio | sadness http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2015/12/31/tech-world-mourns-open-source-champion-ian-murdock/78135394/ |
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| 23:02.00 | simonlnu | donofrio: take that to #debian-offtopic please |
| 23:02.11 | donofrio | oh my bad |
| 23:02.37 | simonlnu | np |
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| 23:03.45 | Scriptonaut | does anyone know how I can execute a systemd unit file by whichever user is logged in? |
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| 23:04.03 | Scriptonaut | I imagine that doesn't make sense because it's executed before a user is logged in? |
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| 23:05.04 | Devastator | what's the rule of thumb here? I'm following this: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel/GitBisect and it's now asking if I want to update /etc/kernel-img.conf to a newer version or keep current installed |
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| 23:06.10 | Aebian | is it possible to decrypt a LUKS partition with a external usb flash drive instead of a password? So to say the usb drive needs to be inserted that the system will decrypt |
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| 23:07.27 | madmattco | i use a yubikey for that |
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| 23:07.41 | DJ_Bitcon | yes, but you need to manually edit initrd configs |
| 23:09.08 | Aebian | madmattco: hmm tought I could use an already present formatted usb flash drive :D |
| 23:09.36 | madmattco | for storing a key? |
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| 23:10.26 | DJ_Bitcon | arch linux has some automatization scripts for initrd to load LUKS keys from some custom location (possible to identify your USB drive by UUID) |
| 23:10.37 | DJ_Bitcon | you can look up into them and implement to your debian installation |
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| 23:10.55 | Aebian | madmattco: yes e.g. I mean I just want to configure debian that my SSD which is encrypted with LUKS only encrypts when I insert the USB drive |
| 23:10.59 | Aebian | DJ_Bitcon: thanks |
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| 23:11.58 | madmattco | i dont think its a good idea to store an encryption key on an unsecured device tbh |
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| 23:12.17 | DJ_Bitcon | it's possible to make key+password |
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| 23:54.37 | heretogo | Having trouble with jessie install. |
| 23:54.43 | heretogo | Won't load gnome on boot. |
| 23:54.48 | heretogo | Having trouble debugging. |
| 23:56.13 | JeDa | heretogo: then you didn't install it correctly |
| 23:56.15 | JeDa | for me works |
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| 23:56.34 | heretogo | It worked before. System crashed. Upon reboot doesn't start. |
| 23:56.39 | heretogo | startx doesn't start gnome. |
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| 23:57.48 | simonlnu | check the ~/.xsession-errors file |
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