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| 00:09.08 | Jaga-Jaga | jelly: the autoclean didnt clean much space. here is the new https://paste.debian.net/333193/ |
| 00:10.12 | Jaga-Jaga | /var/cache/apt/archives still has 1.2 GB in it |
| 00:11.04 | jelly | Jaga-Jaga: so it cleaned two thirds of that crap, how's that not much |
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| 00:13.14 | rawburt | I need a medium graphics card for Debian Linux. I'd like to push two 24" wide screen monitors. any suggestions for the best supported? |
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| 00:14.41 | pial | I have a 2TB HDD with ntfs partitions. I want to format them to linux partitions, since permission in ntfs cannot be changed on the fly. What partition would be best? I will use this HDD as Backup and storage. |
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| 00:17.01 | p8m | rawburt: intel and amd have good mainline kernel drivers. There are many cards that should work for you. |
| 00:17.40 | rawburt | p8m: thank you for the feedback |
| 00:17.41 | jelly | Jaga-Jaga: if you go deleting and/or truncating log files, remember to restart rsyslog service to make it close old logs and reopen them |
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| 00:18.17 | jelly | rawburt: physical size is less important than the number of pixels |
| 00:18.53 | rawburt | I still like my pixels |
| 00:19.31 | jelly | eg. I know my low-end nvidia GT720 can drive 2x20" monitors and 1x32" TV, but that TV could be 55" and still the same 1920x1080 resolution |
| 00:19.36 | p8m | jelly: rawburt: that's true. If it's 2 1080p displays almost anything could drive that. |
| 00:20.26 | jelly | however this one is only stable with non-free drivers. |
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| 00:21.17 | jelly | rawburt: we don't know how many pixels you have, and that's important to make a recommendation |
| 00:23.05 | p8m | I drive a 3840x2160 and 1920x1080 with a Radeon 7970 and the free drivers with no problems |
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| 00:23.57 | jelly | p8m: longest X server uptime with that setup? |
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| 00:24.54 | jelly | was surprised how well a (again, low end) HD 7450 worked with jessie, free drivers, 26 days no X crashing |
| 00:25.14 | p8m | It's my workstation and I upgrade the kernel a lot so the longest uptime was probably two months. |
| 00:25.55 | jelly | good job amd, I guess |
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| 00:26.26 | iWaldo | i am unable to connect to ftp.us.debian.org during install. several other mirrors seem to have worked. ipv6 is configured. any tips? |
| 00:26.39 | jelly | use a mirror that works |
| 00:26.57 | iWaldo | jelly: i used the MIT one but the speed was terrible |
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| 00:35.36 | Jaga-Jaga | jelly: its ok i dont really need that 1,2 GB. thanks for clearing things up |
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| 00:52.41 | capio | . |
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| 00:53.01 | capio | Is it advisible to have a debian unstable installed as a workstation OS? |
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| 00:53.10 | capio | or something more stable is prefered? |
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| 01:32.04 | mutante | i'd like a sudo config line like: "ALL = NOPASSWD: /bin/journalctl -u someservice *" except that if i do that it's not really limited to "someservice" because the * allows adding another -u or whatever. how could i _actually_ limit journalctl to one specific service/unit |
| 01:34.12 | abrotman | mutante: a script that they can't write to? |
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| 01:35.56 | mutante | abrotman: good point, yes |
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| 02:15.59 | ichthys | for 802.1x (freerdius)- i have laptops and android phones i want to connect to my 802.1x AP with. what should i use for phase 1(PEAP) and for phase 2 |
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| 02:16.21 | ichthys | peap phase 1 and eap-ttls phase 2? |
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| 02:19.56 | pbase | Hi, I want to change the date formats in icedove inboxes. they are long - eg - Monday 16 November 2015 07.32PM and take up a lot of column space. I want to changethat to a shorter format so that i get to see the mail details more |
| 02:20.01 | pbase | howdo i do that? |
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| 02:29.47 | abrotman | pbase: it's probably in your about:config |
| 02:30.16 | Hogget | Bon jour. Tous l'monde sommes Francais a l'America. |
| 02:30.34 | pbase | abrotman: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Date_display_format lists the fields there but they donot exist in the current installation |
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| 02:31.01 | Hogget | (hope i didn't mangle the French language) :P |
| 02:31.30 | mutante | tout le monde :) |
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| 02:32.06 | mutante | Hogget: my favorite word is "telecharger" |
| 02:32.50 | pbase | abrotman: used an extension instead. works fine. thanks for the suggestion |
| 02:33.04 | Hogget | hm, is that like iPhone wallet? |
| 02:33.13 | mutante | Hogget: it's the French word for "download" :) |
| 02:33.37 | mutante | Hogget: makes sense.. doesn't it .. tele-charge :) |
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| 02:34.06 | Hogget | facepalms . . . really? looks like "tele charge" . . . but what do i know :D |
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| 02:38.49 | Hogget | So . . . I want to make a Debian installation; along with it, I want to run about a dozen different distros with varios windowing/desktop managers . . . each distro in its own virtual machine. QUESTION: will the virtualization firmware in the CPU interfere with Debian's virtualization software packages, or will it help? |
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| 02:41.53 | LordShadowWing | Hogget, I have the Perfect OS for you, it is https://www.qubes-os.org/ |
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| 02:42.17 | Hogget | LordShadowWing: cool; thanks |
| 02:43.45 | LordShadowWing | Hogget, Remember Qubes is all about "Security by Isolation" |
| 02:44.22 | Hogget | sounds good |
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| 02:48.31 | falk | Hi guys! I have actually installed debian 8.1 on a netbook, but I can't find the firmwares/drivers for network, so I have not internet connection, also I have not wicd or network manager - How can I download from the web a package (i.e. wicd) and installa manually? maybe converting in a .deb? |
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| 03:17.34 | Moonman420 | would you teach programming to a subhuman? |
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| 03:24.04 | Hogget | Moonman420: I don't think there is such thing as a "sub-human": something is, or is not. Now, reformulating the question: would I teach programming to a cat? Meh: cat's have no use for it, and are not the least bit interested in it . . . or so they tell me whenever I try to get any cat interested in programming. |
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| 03:24.46 | Moonman420 | Hogget: there is such a thing as a subhuman |
| 03:24.56 | Moonman420 | apes that mimic human bhavior, aka niggers, are subhuman |
| 03:25.01 | Moonman420 | look at the dna evidence |
| 03:25.14 | Moonman420 | and statistics and lifestyle |
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| 03:25.45 | LtL | Moonman420: idiot remark made by an idiot, do us a favor and leave |
| 03:25.46 | Hogget | Moonman420: apes are not human species. |
| 03:26.10 | Moonman420 | Hogget: explain then how horses and donkeys (two different species) are able to reproduce |
| 03:26.24 | Hogget | Moonman420: what's that got to do with programming? |
| 03:26.37 | Moonman420 | i just want to know if it's a good idea to teach a nigger programming |
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| 03:27.07 | Hogget | Moonman420: you can't tell one species from another. Can you tell a hole on the ground from your ass? |
| 03:27.16 | Moonman420 | you can't |
| 03:27.19 | abrotman | uhm .. |
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| 03:27.42 | abrotman | I'm pretty sure this conversation isn't related to Debian |
| 03:27.44 | Hogget | Moonman420: you keep using meaningless terms. |
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| 03:27.53 | Moonman420 | just because facts don't align with your opinion doesn't mean that you need to get upset |
| 03:27.58 | Moonman420 | just learn from your mistakes and move on |
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| 03:28.01 | Hogget | abrotman: i'm done. |
| 03:28.02 | abrotman | Please keep it on topic .. |
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| 04:24.11 | iWaldo | when installing, what exactly does choosing a domain name do? for exmaple if i later choose to use my debian install as a DNS server and point my IP addresses to the right top level domians, how does the domain i chosse play in? |
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| 04:29.56 | civillian | iWaldo: it doesn't. That setting only applies to requests originating from your box, and it can be easily changed after installation. |
| 04:30.29 | iWaldo | civillian, what does it do? |
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| 04:32.41 | civillian | iWaldo: all that does is setup /etc/resolv.conf with the domain you chose |
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| 05:15.14 | SemiNus | hi |
| 05:15.19 | SemiNus | a short question from my side: |
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| 05:15.26 | SemiNus | in the past, I always used Debian |
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| 05:15.44 | SemiNus | once upon a time, I totally failed installing Debian on a Notebook, so I used Ubuntu for this |
| 05:15.53 | SemiNus | however, I would like to switch back to Debian again |
| 05:15.56 | SemiNus | my question is: |
| 05:16.22 | SemiNus | the stuff that Linux Mint Debian Edition offers - could I also achieve this with a *real* Debian 8.0 installation + adding some packages? |
| 05:16.43 | SemiNus | because as far as I can see, Linux Mint Debian Edition is nothing but a pure Debian + some more packages? |
| 05:16.45 | SemiNus | or am I wrong? |
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| 05:17.25 | chiefahol | LMDE has a nicer initial setup |
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| 05:17.44 | chiefahol | and no distinction between login/sudo password and root password |
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| 05:18.06 | SemiNus | chiefahol, well I have always liked the Debian installer |
| 05:18.07 | chiefahol | it also has forfox in the default repository, which is kinda nice |
| 05:18.20 | SemiNus | googles "forfox" |
| 05:18.31 | chiefahol | good old forefox |
| 05:18.36 | chiefahol | nah firefox woops |
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| 05:18.58 | SemiNus | heh, I just wanted to say: "google suggest firefox only" ;) |
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| 05:19.41 | SemiNus | chiefahol, anything else? Because this is not too much reason yet |
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| 05:19.58 | chiefahol | my secret to having a debian laptop was to only purchase hardware that other people said was 100% linux compatible |
| 05:20.11 | SemiNus | I stopped using firefox because the scrolling was not fast enough, so I use chromium nowadays |
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| 05:20.14 | chiefahol | that made setup like a hundred times easier haha |
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| 05:20.34 | chiefahol | debian has chromium in the repos |
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| 05:20.49 | SemiNus | chiefahol, good point, but it can always go wrong when it comes to pre-configured notebooks |
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| 05:21.17 | chiefahol | i got a B5070 laptop from lenovo, a specific model has 100% open source compatible hardware |
| 05:21.28 | chiefahol | so you ccan run like every linux distro on it |
| 05:21.30 | chiefahol | which is neat |
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| 05:21.58 | chiefahol | stick an ssd in it and you're a king! |
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| 05:23.30 | SemiNus | so Lenovo sells laptops with the information that they would be compatible to linux?! |
| 05:24.16 | SemiNus | huh, interesting, toshiba also has a page about linux |
| 05:24.17 | SemiNus | https://www.toshiba.at/innovation/generic/np-linux-support/ |
| 05:24.52 | somaij | So does dell. I think dell will even ship you a machine with linux on it, or maybe they just send freedoss to get around their liecense with microsfot. But In either case this isn't specifically debian support. |
| 05:25.16 | chiefahol | here's the cheat sheet |
| 05:25.17 | chiefahol | https://www.linuxnow.com.au/nsintro.html |
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| 05:25.42 | SemiNus | thank you for the information somaij and chiefahol ! |
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| 05:26.13 | chiefahol | that link has a good list for shopping, just get the model numbers and purchase the exact model from wherever |
| 05:26.20 | chiefahol | https://www.linuxnow.com.au/nsintro.html |
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| 05:26.54 | SemiNus | they seem to list the priciest models ever there |
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| 05:27.11 | SemiNus | I looked for a Toshiba satellite quad core and found an offer for 3000+ $ |
| 05:27.12 | chiefahol | theres a range for each manufacturer |
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| 05:27.26 | chiefahol | the cheapest lenovos are 500-700 bucks |
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| 05:27.43 | chiefahol | depending where you buy from |
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| 05:28.56 | SemiNus | I have to leave now |
| 05:29.00 | SemiNus | Thank you very much! |
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| 05:55.47 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 05:56.05 | Agiofws | i build some package to install via backport |
| 05:56.33 | Agiofws | but i don;t know where the system wrote them for me to install can anyone help me with this ? |
| 05:56.44 | Agiofws | dpkg-deb: building package `libdrm-dev' in `../libdrm-dev_2.4.65-3_i386.deb'. how do i install that ? |
| 05:57.50 | Agiofws | anyone? |
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| 06:00.16 | SKYRAN | Hello All. I have problem for understanding the basic of running environment. I mean I don't understand what system (Debian) do when we called some binary piece of software and I don't understand (again) between portable software and standalone binary software (like firefox). can some one help me please! :) |
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| 06:01.57 | Agiofws | dpkg -i ../libdrm-dev_2.4.65-3_i386.deb |
| 06:01.57 | Agiofws | dpkg: error processing archive ../libdrm-dev_2.4.65-3_i386.deb (--install): |
| 06:01.58 | dpkg | installs ../libdrm-dev_2.4.65-3_i386.deb into agiofws's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 06:01.58 | Agiofws | ? |
| 06:02.10 | foul_owl | SKYRAN: If you are looking for technical information about how a binary is executed on a linux system, here's a great article: https://lwn.net/Articles/631631/ |
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| 06:02.51 | foul_owl | SKYRAN: Generally _code_ is considered portable or not, which means it can compile and run on multiple systems without having to change or fix the code |
| 06:03.27 | foul_owl | So the code for firefox is generally considered to be portable, meaning it will compile and run on Windows, OSX, Linux, and probably other operating systems as well |
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| 06:04.17 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, thanks for link. think i want compile software and port it (mean copy by some cool disk stuff) and run another machine with same arch |
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| 06:05.17 | foul_owl | Ok, so you have some software that you would like to run on Debian? |
| 06:05.22 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, but because of some absolute address we cant do that. i mean this by portability |
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| 06:05.39 | foul_owl | You have the source code? |
| 06:05.46 | foul_owl | Or just the binary? |
| 06:05.56 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, no source |
| 06:06.04 | Agiofws | dpkg-deb: building package `libdrm-dev' in `../libdrm-dev_2.4.65-3_i386.deb'. how do i install that ? |
| 06:06.09 | Agiofws | i build some package to install via backport |
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| 06:06.17 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, but it compile for amd64 already |
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| 06:08.21 | foul_owl | Generally a compiler generates a binary format that is designed to run on certain operating systems, but there are exceptions |
| 06:08.26 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, firefox have package for GNU/LINUX that run complete and without problem. how they do that? |
| 06:08.41 | foul_owl | Well, mozilla compiles their code once for each platform |
| 06:09.09 | krav | so. how do packages move from testing to stable? I really wanna use opensmptd on my jessie system :( |
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| 06:09.23 | SKYRAN | but we must run make install and it install with some absolute address of share library |
| 06:09.49 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, but we must run make install and it install with some absolute address of share library |
| 06:10.16 | foul_owl | Are you talking about firefox still? |
| 06:10.22 | foul_owl | Or your other software? |
| 06:10.43 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, other like GCC |
| 06:10.58 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, when build from scratch |
| 06:11.23 | foul_owl | Ahhh I gotcha |
| 06:11.40 | SKYRAN | how to have some firefox style GCC stuff? |
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| 06:12.48 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, how to have some firefox-style GCC? |
| 06:13.06 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, I mean portable in this way! |
| 06:13.36 | foul_owl | Well, here's some information about libraries on a Linux system: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LibraryArchives-StaticAndDynamic.html |
| 06:13.57 | foul_owl | If you don't have the source code you won't be able to make your binary portable, unless you use something like wine |
| 06:14.04 | foul_owl | But wine is a special case |
| 06:14.19 | foul_owl | It basically just lets windows binaries run on a Linux system, but it's not ideal |
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| 06:16.19 | foul_owl | Are you saying you have a Linux elf binary already, but it won't run because it can't find certain libraries? |
| 06:17.24 | flip214 | julius: you asked for one without root permissions on the receiving side; I told you one. Did you look at my suggestion? |
| 06:17.28 | foul_owl | If that's the case, you can list the libraries needed with the "ldd" command, then install them. |
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| 06:18.31 | foul_owl | This might be relevant: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/847179/multiple-glibc-libraries-on-a-single-host |
| 06:19.05 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, Lets make it better and excuse for verbose. we have firefox or gcc source code. when I want install from scratch I need to run make install. If I change --prefix for custom dir and copy all file to another machine, it's not run! why this happen |
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| 06:19.50 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, I mean copy all file under --prefix dir |
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| 06:21.00 | foul_owl | Ahhhh ok I see |
| 06:21.31 | foul_owl | Can you do "make", then run the binary without doing make install? |
| 06:21.53 | foul_owl | My guess is that the new system doesn't have all the libraries you need |
| 06:22.48 | foul_owl | If you write a game using SDL2, compile it and move the binary to another machine, it won't run unless the destination has the SDL2 libraries installed, for example |
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| 06:24.46 | Ori_B | Hey, I'm trying to figure out how to get a working source package for libclang so I can debug a segfault. |
| 06:25.12 | Ori_B | I've got libclang-3.6-dbg installed, and I ran apt-get source for it |
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| 06:25.28 | Ori_B | I've also set up the appropriate path remappings so gdb can find the source |
| 06:25.46 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, okey lets assume that second machine have glibc and another important stuff. somthing like GCC even don't have gcc-name when we don't run make install. it use xgcc and other foo. another problem is gcc reference to it's file NOT relational! it use absolute path! |
| 06:25.50 | Ori_B | but it still complains '/tmp/buildd/llvm-toolchain-3.6-3.6.2/tools/clang/tools/libclang/CIndex.cpp' does not exist |
| 06:26.07 | Ori_B | and in fact, '~/src/dbg/etc, etc' isn't there |
| 06:26.38 | Ori_B | looking at the output from apt-get source seems to indicate that it only grabbed the source for llvm, and didn't grab tools/clang, which (as far as I can tell) is a separate download. |
| 06:26.43 | flip214 | Ori_B: gdb has "set directories -- Set the search path for finding source files |
| 06:26.49 | Ori_B | flip214: yes, I've done that. |
| 06:26.53 | flip214 | oh, sorry. |
| 06:27.03 | Ori_B | the problem is that the file itself doesn't seem to exist. |
| 06:27.19 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, so this mean if you install it in foo dir (because copy that) you can install it in second machine in /usr dir |
| 06:27.36 | Ori_B | as far as I can tell, the libclang source package didn't fetch everything; am I missing something? (is there something I need to do to convince it to grab everything?) |
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| 06:27.50 | foul_owl | What files exactly is it looking for? |
| 06:28.17 | foul_owl | Are you saying that if you move the binary around, it won't find the libraries? Or it won't find program specific files that it needs to run? |
| 06:28.58 | Ori_B | ...actually, poking around a bit more |
| 06:28.59 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, I's not only the problem of lib. we have include, share and other stuff |
| 06:29.29 | Ori_B | it seems the file exists, but is in a different place in the heirarchy relative to where the debug info thinks it is. |
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| 06:30.09 | Ori_B | (debuginfo says llvm-toolchain-3.6-3.6.2/tools/clang/tools/, but it's in llvm-toolchain-3.6-3.6.2/clang/tools/) |
| 06:31.01 | flip214 | Ori_B: https://codesearch.debian.net/results/CIndex.cpp/page_0 |
| 06:31.10 | flip214 | just wanted to tell you to look in clang/tools/libclang ;/ |
| 06:31.23 | Ori_B | yeah; it might be something funky with libclang's build process; I can work around that. |
| 06:31.37 | Ori_B | llvm has a lot of oddities :( |
| 06:31.49 | flip214 | nothing that some amount of symlinks won't fix .... |
| 06:31.54 | Ori_B | sure. |
| 06:31.58 | flip214 | sadly. |
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| 06:33.05 | Ori_B | I haven't looked at GCC's source, but from the bits of clang source I've peeked at, it's a bit scary that it's considered better than GCC :/ |
| 06:33.09 | foul_owl | include files only matter when you compile the binary |
| 06:33.17 | Ori_B | *haven't looked much at |
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| 06:33.54 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, of course so it don't work for compile and make crazy error |
| 06:33.54 | foul_owl | Are you running into problems compiling on a new system or running on a new system? |
| 06:34.10 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, yeh exacly |
| 06:34.23 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, so I need firefox-style GCC |
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| 06:34.34 | foul_owl | If you want to recompile on a new system, you have to run "make clean" first |
| 06:34.43 | foul_owl | It depends on what build system is being used |
| 06:34.50 | foul_owl | Do you have to run ./configure ? |
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| 06:35.13 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, yeh and with some specific conf |
| 06:35.31 | foul_owl | If you move your source folder to another system and want to compile it there, you'll have to run configure again |
| 06:35.57 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, No, but I needto build and packed so give another one! |
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| 06:36.09 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, no source. |
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| 06:36.19 | SKYRAN | for same arch |
| 06:36.25 | foul_owl | If the program itself is complaining that data is missing (not libraries) then that is an issue with the program itself |
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| 06:36.40 | foul_owl | For example, I can write a program to load /opt/my/program/test.jpg |
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| 06:36.56 | foul_owl | But that is bad design, because the path is hard coded into the binary |
| 06:37.19 | Ori_B | bleh, definitely a clang bug, rather than my issue. |
| 06:37.23 | foul_owl | So the issue might be with the code itself. It might be badly written. |
| 06:37.52 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, yeh exaclty, when it make install it's hard code and can't be ported |
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| 06:38.16 | foul_owl | Ok, so it can't find data files, things like foo.txt and bar.jpg |
| 06:38.28 | foul_owl | Files that the program needs to run that aren't libraries |
| 06:38.44 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, instead sstream and other :) |
| 06:39.07 | foul_owl | Ok, if it's complaining about sstream that means you are compiling it :) |
| 06:39.36 | foul_owl | So run ./configure and let it do its thing |
| 06:39.49 | foul_owl | make clean; ./configure; make; make install |
| 06:40.08 | SKYRAN | no, compile another gcc on machine that copy my custum build of first! so how people build package with this problem! |
| 06:40.27 | foul_owl | Ok I'm sorry |
| 06:40.31 | foul_owl | I'm not understanding |
| 06:40.37 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, compile GCC by first custom GCC |
| 06:40.56 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, I know thats crazy but I work around |
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| 06:41.35 | foul_owl | Well your application is your own business :) crazy or not. It's beyond my understanding though |
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| 06:42.07 | foul_owl | Sorry :( |
| 06:42.22 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, packaging make me crazy because I don't understand how that build. |
| 06:42.57 | SKYRAN | foul_owl, Thanks for warm help |
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| 06:47.30 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 06:47.47 | SKYRAN | darxmurf, HI |
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| 06:50.56 | Doxin | is it possible to fake a package being installed? I've got my video drivers from outside the repos but everything and their grandmother depends on libdrm-nouveau2, which when installed breaks my video driver. |
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| 06:52.53 | Saturn812 | i assume other packages actually want to use that lib, not just to check if it's installed |
| 06:53.03 | flip214 | "You can use the equivs Install equivs package to create a dummy package to fake a given package being installed" |
| 06:53.31 | flip214 | Doxin: ^^ eg. http://shallowsky.com/blog/linux/install/blocking-deb-dependencies.html |
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| 06:54.05 | Doxin | Saturn812: other packages are wrong. |
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| 06:54.55 | Doxin | Saturn812: I can very well install openGL headers without using the opensource driver. |
| 06:55.42 | Saturn812 | well, you can, but those packages probably don't care. They are coded to use that other lib. So unless you recode and recompile them yourself... |
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| 06:56.02 | Doxin | Saturn812: the openGL headers are universal. they work with either driver. |
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| 06:59.31 | themill | Doxin: what packages depend on libdrm-nouveau2? |
| 07:00.09 | Doxin | themill: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libglu1-mesa-dev does indirectly |
| 07:00.59 | Doxin | oh |
| 07:01.13 | Doxin | themill: I'm not on jessie btw. I's on testing. same holds true though |
| 07:01.18 | themill | why do you want that package installed? |
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| 07:01.34 | Doxin | themill: I need glu.h |
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| 07:02.26 | themill | Something to be said for compiling in clean environments |
| 07:02.58 | Doxin | something can sod off. I'm compiling for the current system I am running. I shouldn't need to use a chroot |
| 07:05.38 | Doxin | themill: honestly that dependency is just a bug. |
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| 07:07.36 | Doxin | themill: faking the installation for the nouveau driver fixes the problem. |
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| 07:39.10 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 07:40.09 | Agiofws | i've built some packages from sid to install in stable but i don;t know how to install them i don;t know where they were built to install them with dpkg can anyone help me please? |
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| 07:40.51 | nkuttler | Agiofws: how did you build them? |
| 07:40.58 | Agiofws | dpkg-deb: building package `libdrm-dev' in `../libdrm-dev_2.4.65-3_i386.deb'. where is that package in my system |
| 07:41.26 | Agiofws | i built them with ... apt-get -b source packagename nkuttler |
| 07:41.33 | Agiofws | !ssb |
| 07:41.33 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 07:41.51 | nkuttler | Agiofws: packages are in your current dir iirc, or the source dir |
| 07:42.04 | Agiofws | current ? |
| 07:42.07 | nkuttler | ls |
| 07:42.20 | Agiofws | the one i executed the command in ? nkuttler ? |
| 07:42.26 | nkuttler | Agiofws: yes |
| 07:42.30 | themill | have you looked? |
| 07:43.09 | Agiofws | canot find them i have even used the command locate |
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| 07:43.21 | nkuttler | Agiofws: pastebin the build output |
| 07:43.38 | themill | Agiofws: locate is not the way to find files in the current directory |
| 07:43.59 | nkuttler | Agiofws: that should actually tell you where they are build. or find (1) |
| 07:44.24 | Agiofws | nkuttler, themill i built yesterday and i don't have the output in a terminal |
| 07:44.37 | themill | Agiofws: maybe you could look where you built them |
| 07:45.32 | Agiofws | image link: https://i.imgur.com/AxZCsza.png |
| 07:45.50 | Agiofws | i'm trying but i can't find them |
| 07:45.58 | themill | Agiofws: where did you build them? |
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| 07:46.17 | nkuttler | Agiofws: sudo find / -mtime -2 -name *deb |
| 07:46.17 | Agiofws | on this machine though |
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| 07:46.40 | themill | Agiofws: in what directory? |
| 07:47.08 | Agiofws | lol found them they are in etc/apt... |
| 07:47.27 | themill | why are you building as root? |
| 07:47.34 | nkuttler | /etc/apt? yeah, that's not good |
| 07:47.45 | nkuttler | Agiofws: you should build packages as normal user |
| 07:48.05 | Agiofws | well when i install or use apt-get or aptitude i go into su |
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| 07:48.14 | Agiofws | but point is taken into consideration |
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| 07:48.25 | Agiofws | image link: https://i.imgur.com/nPOUUwC.png |
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| 07:48.29 | nkuttler | Agiofws: apt-get -b doesn't need root rights |
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| 07:49.02 | jelly | nkuttler: there isn't enough place in ssb factoid to denote that fact ;-) |
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| 07:51.57 | Agiofws | dpkg -i *.deb will install all debs in pwd ? |
| 07:51.57 | dpkg | package *.deb will install all debs in pwd is already installed |
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| 07:52.50 | jelly | Agiofws: yes, if their dependencies are satisfied already |
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| 07:53.31 | Agiofws | themill, nkuttler i'm trying to install latest bleeding edge nouveau driver on stable |
| 07:53.46 | Agiofws | jelly, ok now to buid mesa |
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| 07:54.36 | Agiofws | aptitude build-dep mesa |
| 07:54.36 | Agiofws | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) |
| 07:54.36 | Agiofws | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
| 07:55.26 | Agiofws | jelly, ok now we have a problem aptitude build-dep mesa |
| 07:55.26 | Agiofws | Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: llvm-3.7-dev ( 1:3.7~+rc2). |
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| 07:56.07 | Agiofws | can you take a look aptitude build-dep mesa | pastebinit |
| 07:56.07 | Agiofws | http://paste.debian.net/333256/ jelly or themill ? |
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| 07:56.22 | jelly | Agiofws: that's going to be a non-trivial backport. you will have to disable llvm build options, and remove llvm from debian/control |
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| 07:56.38 | jelly | libdrm was easy. |
| 07:56.48 | Agiofws | how do i disable it ? |
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| 07:57.09 | Agiofws | is it logical volume manager ? |
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| 07:57.58 | jelly | Agiofws: by finding build options inside wherever-you-have-mesa-source/debian/rules and editing them carefully |
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| 07:58.09 | jelly | !llvm |
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| 07:58.25 | Agiofws | llvm-3.7-dev ( 1:3.7~+rc2). libclang-3.7-dev ( 1:3.7~+rc2). libclc-dev ( 0.2.0+git20150813). llvm-3.7-dev ( 1:3.7~+rc2). libclang-3.7-dev ( 1:3.7~+rc2). libclc-dev ( 0.2.0+git20150813). |
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| 08:00.12 | Agiofws | where can i find the source for mesa 11.0 ? |
| 08:00.37 | Aliekezhi | hi, I've red in security guides/checklist it can be good to mount /var with noexec option, however, it seems to block the execution of scripts started by apt-get/dpkg...Is there any way to change the path of script executed by apt-get ? wouls that be a good idea to do it ? |
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| 08:01.07 | bittin_ | Agiofws: http://www.mesa3d.org/repository.html |
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| 08:04.46 | Agiofws | jelly, have any ideas how to do that? |
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| 08:05.43 | jelly | Agiofws: I've already outlined the rough path to getting it built |
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| 08:06.10 | jelly | figure out how to avoid llvm options, and build without them |
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| 08:06.35 | Agiofws | !ssb |
| 08:06.35 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 08:06.53 | Agiofws | To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; <--- jelly? |
| 08:07.30 | Agiofws | do i add any special agrs to aptitude build-dep packagename ? |
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| 08:08.37 | Agiofws | i don't think i have the source for mesa 11 i think i have it for mesa 10.3.2 can i use that? |
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| 08:11.52 | Agiofws | jelly, can you tell me if debians has mesas 11 source on my machine ? |
| 08:12.11 | Agiofws | where does debian keeps its source ? |
| 08:12.32 | Agiofws | do i have to download mesas source from nouveaus site? |
| 08:12.32 | SirLagz | Agiofws: not on your machine. |
| 08:12.38 | jelly | Agiofws: you literally just downloaded it |
| 08:12.59 | jelly | well, you didn't. apt-get source ... is the source download part. |
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| 08:13.44 | Agiofws | so how do i aptitude build-dep packagename before getting the source ? |
| 08:13.58 | Agiofws | and how do i configure build options? |
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| 08:14.29 | FlawlesS | hi |
| 08:14.31 | FlawlesS | Depends: libwxbase2.8-0 (>= 2.8.11.0) but it is not installable |
| 08:14.35 | FlawlesS | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:14.43 | FlawlesS | i cant fix this |
| 08:15.01 | FlawlesS | I`ve tried install -f |
| 08:15.37 | FlawlesS | help me please |
| 08:16.18 | Agiofws | jelly, should i try this procedure ? https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation ? |
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| 08:19.54 | wabuh | hello |
| 08:20.13 | wabuh | since I upgraded to Jessie, my boot is very slow |
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| 08:20.37 | wabuh | from what I've seen, it seem to be loosing time in the kernel boot |
| 08:20.50 | at0m | wabuh: see if it hangs on any particular item? |
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| 08:21.06 | wabuh | [ 4.686227] input: Logitech Logitech USB Headset as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb3/3-1/3-1.4/3-1.4:1.3/0003:046D:0A44.0004/input/input5 |
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| 08:21.06 | wabuh | [ 22.521660] uvesafb: failed to execute /sbin/v86d |
| 08:21.06 | wabuh | [ 22.521727] uvesafb: make sure that the v86d helper is installed and executable |
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| 08:21.15 | at0m | (i used to loose a lot of time waiting for nfs mounts for example) |
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| 08:21.25 | Agiofws | ok how can i install https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/mesa that package on debian stable please any help? |
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| 08:21.54 | at0m | Agiofws: download the .deb then dpkg -i that.deb and sort the depends |
| 08:22.06 | jelly | at0m: that won't work |
| 08:22.21 | at0m | oh, source |
| 08:22.24 | jelly | he needs to backport, and the backport is not simple |
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| 08:23.10 | wabuh | ok that was unexpected |
| 08:23.18 | wabuh | see https://paste.debian.net/333258/ then |
| 08:23.35 | Agiofws | jelly, can i try these instructions https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation ? |
| 08:23.40 | wabuh | it seems to complain about v86d missing |
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| 08:23.53 | wabuh | however when I install the package, my screen is pitch black |
| 08:24.10 | wabuh | I don't know how to troubleshoot further |
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| 08:26.28 | jelly | Agiofws: sorry, busy |
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| 08:28.53 | Agiofws | ok |
| 08:28.58 | Agiofws | anyone know how to fix this |
| 08:29.00 | Agiofws | gpg: Signature made Thu 12 Nov 2015 01:13:11 PM EET using RSA key ID 8A3A9C67 |
| 08:29.00 | Agiofws | gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 08:29.00 | Agiofws | Validation FAILED!! |
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| 08:34.40 | Agiofws | gpg: Signature made Thu 12 Nov 2015 01:13:11 PM EET using RSA key ID 8A3A9C67 |
| 08:34.40 | Agiofws | gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 08:34.40 | Agiofws | Validation FAILED!! |
| 08:35.00 | pcercuei | I did 'apt-get update' yesterday |
| 08:35.05 | pcercuei | now my work PC is locked |
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| 08:35.09 | pcercuei | gdm3 won't start |
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| 08:35.32 | Agiofws | something to do with gfx i think |
| 08:35.44 | Agiofws | pcercuei, try to install lightdm |
| 08:35.46 | pcercuei | ... on debian testing, let me switch to #debian-next |
| 08:35.47 | Agiofws | and try again |
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| 08:37.48 | pcercuei | Agiofws: I can't switch to a kernel console, I can't even 'reisub' |
| 08:38.04 | pcercuei | but the kernel is still live, the HDD led is blinking from time to time |
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| 08:40.48 | Savemech | guys i got strange thing; laptop-mode-tools requires mysql server; whoaaa; but here mysql isnt required https://packages.debian.org/ru/sid/laptop-mode-tools |
| 08:41.15 | Agiofws | boot in recovery moe |
| 08:41.18 | Agiofws | mode* |
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| 08:41.20 | Agiofws | hey |
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| 08:41.38 | Agiofws | can anyone help me https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation i'm stuck in |
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| 08:49.08 | sdfgdgd | !ask |
| 08:49.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 08:50.39 | Iota | Howdy folks! |
| 08:50.41 | Agiofws | sdfgdgd, i'm trying to install apackage from backports from sid to stable... |
| 08:50.43 | Iota | Good morning Europe. |
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| 08:51.40 | Iota | Quick question (I'm too lazy to Google and already have irc open). Why is the default DIR_MODE=0755 and not 0750 in /etc/adduser.conf ? It's one of the first things I change on a new install but never thought to look why. |
| 08:52.09 | sdfgdgd | Agiofws explain what you made and where fails |
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| 09:01.07 | Agiofws | sdfgdgd, sorry have to leave maybe later |
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| 09:05.32 | no_gravity | Hello! Often when I use a dropdown box in chromium, my whole computer freezes and I have to use the reset switch to reboot it. Do you guys thats a chromium bug or a graphics driver bug? |
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| 09:34.27 | flip214 | julius: no problem. |
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| 09:37.43 | nils17 | where can I disable the warning "Granted permissions without asking for password" ? |
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| 09:48.21 | Arone | hi |
| 09:48.41 | Arone | with methode i can use for move my ispconfig to new server |
| 09:48.46 | Arone | creat a cluster ? |
| 09:48.56 | Arone | witch* |
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| 20:38.45 | tlolczyk | Same page you got aptitude from. Search for each package then download the right architecture. |
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| 20:39.50 | amdp | tlolczyk: thanks |
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| 20:42.43 | RayzrShrp | I use remote desktop from my work computer to get into my home computer and it works flawlessly but I've found the remote desktop server/clients to be lacking for linux, does anybody know of something thats as stable and usable as MS RDP under linux? |
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| 20:42.51 | maziar | in networking , what is diffrent betweem "auto hotplug eth0" and "auto eth0" |
| 20:43.11 | blind | RayzrShrp: I use rdesktop for an RDP client.. never had any issues with it. |
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| 20:43.37 | RayzrShrp | blind: and then what is your linux box running for the server? |
| 20:43.52 | RayzrShrp | vncserver? |
| 20:43.55 | blind | I don't have a Linux RDP Server.... |
| 20:44.11 | blind | I use RDP for connecting to Windows machines. Linux machines I'm generally fine with SSH access. |
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| 20:44.29 | RayzrShrp | yeah thats my issue, i want a nice gui to my remove xwindows box |
| 20:44.38 | blind | Sometimes Teamviewer if I *really* need to access the desktop |
| 20:45.06 | RayzrShrp | so X just isn't as mature as Windows and remote gui access it sounds likde |
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| 20:45.45 | ronin_ | reboot |
| 20:45.57 | blind | RayzrShrp: it's not a matter of maturity, it's a matter of necessity. |
| 20:46.04 | RayzrShrp | i know the majority of people and stuff can be done under cli on linux but it would be nice to have remote access to an X machine and have it work as nice as the MS world |
| 20:46.10 | greycat | X is much older than Microsoft Windows. |
| 20:46.11 | RayzrShrp | yeah i can see that |
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| 20:47.47 | PadawanL1arner | RayzrShrp: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Vino |
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| 20:50.41 | Guest21517 | hey guys anyone? |
| 20:51.09 | Guest21517 | i got an error during installation that tells me to insert a disc which i do not have |
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| 20:51.55 | greycat | *during* install? Not immediately afterward, after rebooting and removing the installation medium? |
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| 20:52.10 | jpalmer | Guest21517: either download the disk, or do a minimal install that doesn't reuire additional disks, or.. do a network/web/ftp based install so it can go fetch the other packages as needed |
| 20:52.55 | mo1991reg | RayzrShrp - VNC works great. Best to pipe it thought ssh though so it's encrypted. I find it certainly as reliable as RDP. |
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| 20:55.40 | squibby0 | thx for your help guys. sorry for the dipshit questions. |
| 20:55.41 | RayzrShrp | mo1991reg: does it do full screen i feel like that was my hangup with it last time |
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| 21:22.04 | mo1991reg | RayzrShrp - yes it does full screen. |
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| 21:33.10 | Zitter | why: http://paste.debian.net/333435/ ? |
| 21:33.28 | someonethere | is there a good tutorial on installing along side windows 8 in uefi? |
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| 21:34.40 | PadawanLearner | someonethere: have you disabled secure boot? |
| 21:34.44 | greycat | Make sure the CDROM boots in UEFI mode, not legacy mode. Make sure you don't nuke the EFI partition. Make sure grub-efi gets installed, not grub-pc. |
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| 21:36.02 | someonethere | greycat: thanks, and do I need to create a second EFI partition? or a /boot partition? |
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| 21:36.12 | greycat | There should only be one EFI partition. |
| 21:36.28 | someonethere | okay, I read some stuff about chain loading, and this was quite confusing |
| 21:36.47 | greycat | The installer is supposed to do the right thing. Hopefully. |
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| 21:55.23 | Circuitsoft | someonethere: What you found was probably about trying to keep secureboot enabled. |
| 21:55.55 | Circuitsoft | There are signed stubs for chainloadnig registered open-source loaders. |
| 21:56.05 | Circuitsoft | If you disable secure boot, then none of that is necessary. |
| 21:56.13 | MACscr | Im having a major issue with my mellanox 10gb drivers stopping networking from working on boot. Seems if i restart the networking service after boot, things are fine though. Here is a screenshot from console http://screencast.com/t/xLzxCEWX and here is a snippet of dmesg where you can see some of the failures: http://hastebin.com/muroyekeba.vhdl |
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| 21:57.12 | livingroom | hello! are there any samba experts here? i am having a severe problem and i cant get any support anywhere :( |
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| 21:57.23 | Circuitsoft | MACscr: Run "ifconfig -a" |
| 21:57.34 | Circuitsoft | "ifconfig" by itself doesn't show adapters that are down. |
| 21:57.52 | MACscr | Circuitsoft: yes, i understand that, but the networking service isnt starting at boot |
| 21:57.54 | MACscr | systemd[1]: Breaking ordering cycle by deleting job networking.service/start |
| 21:57.54 | Circuitsoft | livingroom: Have you tried #samba? |
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| 21:58.06 | livingroom | circuitsoft: everybody is asleep over there |
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| 21:58.08 | Circuitsoft | Ah, there's your issue. |
| 21:59.03 | Circuitsoft | MACscr: So, you have a dependency loop. I haven't hit one yet, so I don't know how to track that down, but that's where you need to start your research. |
| 21:59.10 | Circuitsoft | livingroom: What's your issue? |
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| 21:59.31 | livingroom | circuitsoft: trying to set samba up as a primary domain controller. i can "join" the domain but i cannot login with any users and i dont know why |
| 22:00.06 | Circuitsoft | livingroom: Ah. I just did that here at work. |
| 22:00.25 | livingroom | thank heaven! can you help? |
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| 22:00.39 | livingroom | my frustration levels are very high and i'm about to abandon the project |
| 22:00.59 | Nydjer | I semi-configured samba |
| 22:01.00 | Circuitsoft | So: First question, are you on the computer that's the DC, or a member? |
| 22:01.03 | Nydjer | it now works on debian |
| 22:01.06 | centrx | Frustation Level: High |
| 22:01.18 | Nydjer | but now netbios names do not work on some win pcs |
| 22:01.18 | Circuitsoft | And to be clear, you're running Debian Jessie? |
| 22:01.19 | livingroom | both. the DC is on a XEN VM that i'm remnoted in to from the client |
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| 22:01.58 | centrx | livingroom, FYI You can also try the samba mailing list - https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba |
| 22:02.59 | Circuitsoft | livingroom: How did you start setting up The DC? |
| 22:03.12 | Somelauw | Why am I getting "vboxclient the virtualbox kernel service is not running exiting" on a fresh debian installation? I installed it on a harddrive not in a virtual box. |
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| 22:03.25 | livingroom | circuitsoft: i followed this guide: http://www.unixmen.com/setting-samba-primary-domain-controller-centos-7/ |
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| 22:03.42 | livingroom | yes i know centos isnt #debian but everyone else is asleep and you guys are brilliant over here |
| 22:04.00 | Circuitsoft | I set up mine, by installing Debian, then installing Samba. I deleted /etc/samba/smb.conf, then did a "samba-tool domain provision" |
| 22:04.34 | rovar | Hey all.. I was wondering if there was a way to find all of the Sections in a task (tasksel) style task? I want to make a very selective mirror, that only includes specific tasks. |
| 22:04.53 | rovar | I can't find where the tasksel tasks are defined.. |
| 22:04.58 | Circuitsoft | livingroom: Try to stick to guides on Samba Wiki. |
| 22:05.43 | livingroom | circuitsoft: well, the thing is it's all set up - i can join the domain - but i cannot log in with any of the users! |
| 22:05.53 | Circuitsoft | How do you join it? |
| 22:06.15 | Circuitsoft | On my machines, I edit /etc/nsswitch.conf to make sure winbind is on passwd and group. |
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| 22:06.43 | Circuitsoft | Then edit /etc/krb5.conf to know where the domain is. |
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| 22:07.07 | Circuitsoft | Then I run "kinit adminuser@MYDOMAIN", then "net ads join -U adminuser", then "kdestroy" |
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| 22:07.32 | livingroom | well, i'm joining the domain from a windows client, so i dont do any of those things |
| 22:07.39 | Circuitsoft | So, I've done everything up to, but not including the kinit, and saved it as an image to image new machines from. |
| 22:07.40 | Circuitsoft | Ah. |
| 22:07.52 | Circuitsoft | From windows, make sure you're typing the username as MYDOMAIN\username |
| 22:07.59 | Circuitsoft | And that the Windows box is joined to the domain. |
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| 22:08.37 | livingroom | it's joined, but when i attempt to log in i get "there are currently no logon servers available to process the request" |
| 22:08.43 | Circuitsoft | Ah. |
| 22:08.50 | Circuitsoft | Login as a local user, then run "ipconfig /all" |
| 22:08.54 | Circuitsoft | See if it can see the domain server. |
| 22:08.57 | Circuitsoft | Try to ping it. |
| 22:09.03 | Circuitsoft | Often, DNS is the biggest problem. |
| 22:09.06 | Circuitsoft | How is your DNS config working? |
| 22:09.22 | Circuitsoft | What DNS servers does your DHCP server serve up to clients? |
| 22:09.26 | Circuitsoft | And how are they configured? |
| 22:10.28 | livingroom | dns is def not issue, i can ping it etc - used host and lmhost to ensure its pointed correctly to it |
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| 22:11.20 | Circuitsoft | I wouldn't be so sure. |
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| 22:11.37 | Circuitsoft | ADS requires DNS _srv records to be properly implemented. |
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| 22:14.26 | Circuitsoft | Run, from a linux box, "dig -t SRV _ldap._tcp.dc._msdcs.yourdomain.com" |
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| 22:15.39 | PadawanLearner | actually i recently had an issue with an AD integrated dns zone and worked around the issue through lmhosts |
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| 22:15.54 | PadawanLearner | let me see if i can get you on that track |
| 22:16.39 | PadawanLearner | here you go https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/314108 |
| 22:17.08 | PadawanLearner | later i solved the issue and got rid of the workaround |
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| 22:17.36 | PadawanLearner | so if dns is the issue, tha should cover it |
| 22:17.54 | PadawanLearner | i would also check your clock sync |
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| 22:18.07 | PadawanLearner | on the dc and clients |
| 22:18.22 | PadawanLearner | better to set up propper ntp support |
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| 22:34.53 | amdp | tlolczyk: I'm back trying to fix. I am missing the multiarch and the libc6 base packages |
| 22:35.11 | amdp | tlolczyk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13319102/ |
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| 22:39.15 | amdp | hi is there anybody who can help me in restore my jessie system? |
| 22:39.51 | PadawanLearner | define restore? |
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| 22:40.48 | freakyy | hi all. how do i change the default version of python on my system# |
| 22:40.51 | freakyy | ? |
| 22:41.14 | PadawanLearner | update-alternatives i guess |
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| 22:42.41 | sdfagdsa | so..can multiple installs use the same EFI partition? |
| 22:42.49 | Circuitsoft | Yes |
| 22:43.01 | Circuitsoft | All OSs installed (including Windows) should share the same EFI partition. |
| 22:43.03 | sdfagdsa | is there an option to not format that partition on boot? |
| 22:43.11 | sdfagdsa | while intalling* |
| 22:43.19 | Circuitsoft | Installer shouldn't format it at all. |
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| 22:43.30 | sdfagdsa | I've done this once before, and it wiped the partiion and killed windows |
| 22:43.42 | Circuitsoft | Huh. |
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| 22:44.05 | Circuitsoft | For the last several years, I've done all my installs via debootstrap and another Linux live environment. |
| 22:44.25 | Circuitsoft | And, mounting the EFI partition is the last thing I do before installing GRUB. |
| 22:45.44 | sdfagdsa | interesting |
| 22:46.28 | PadawanLearner | now that you mention, i have to debootstrap my test box into a shiny jessie |
| 22:46.46 | PadawanLearner | no efi though, it's an old machine |
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| 22:47.02 | sdfagdsa | whats the benefit of debootstrap |
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| 22:47.17 | cheater | hello |
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| 22:47.54 | PadawanLearner | gonna use the swap partition for it |
| 22:49.05 | PadawanLearner | get rid of the swap, set up lvm and debootstrap into it, reboot to the new OS |
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| 22:49.40 | cheater | i installed debian using firmware-8.2.0-i386-netinst.iso onto an usb stick and now it won't boot. I don't even get to grub, i just get a black screen with a blinking cursor in the upper left corner. I told the (graphical) installer to install grub on that usb stick, and there were no errors. |
| 22:49.46 | bytemonkey | PadawanLearner: you'll have to --force-foo --configure |
| 22:50.13 | PadawanLearner | bytemonkey: ? |
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| 22:50.25 | Circuitsoft | sdfagdsa: I just got so used to manually installing Gentoo, that debootstrap was a lot more comfortable than installer. |
| 22:50.33 | Circuitsoft | With debootstrap, you install only exactly what you want. |
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| 22:52.03 | cheater | i'm not sure how to debug this - would someone mind lending me a hand? |
| 22:52.11 | bytemonkey | PadawanLearner: not sure myself. |
| 22:52.38 | Circuitsoft | cheater: My best guess would be that the computer isn't booting from USB by default. |
| 22:52.40 | Circuitsoft | Is it EFI? |
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| 22:53.19 | cheater | it's an intel laptop using BIOS and i tell it explicitly to boot from the usb stick by using the bios boot selection dialog. |
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| 22:54.02 | cheater | the exact same procedure works for booting another usb stick that holds firmware-8.2.0-i386-netinst.iso so that's not an issue |
| 22:54.13 | Dev0n | hey, looking to get this to run debian jessie http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00L2C3VAQ , manufac doesn't mention its support for linux but various threads online says it works fine. However, I came across this thread regarding some UEFI issues it might have with debian? https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxprojects/comments/28j34v/linux_on_gigabyte_brix_nano_gbbxbt2807/ |
| 22:54.32 | Dev0n | it's an year old so maybe UEFI stuff has improved on debian since then? |
| 22:54.55 | Circuitsoft | DevOn: I've been using only UEFI for about a year and a half. |
| 22:55.16 | Circuitsoft | It's very different from BIOS, but once you're used to it, it's really nice. |
| 22:55.27 | Dev0n | ahh cool |
| 22:55.51 | Dev0n | Circuitsoft, just came across this in https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI "This means that current support for UEFI in Debian Jessie is limited to amd64, i386 and arm64." |
| 22:56.10 | Circuitsoft | DevOn: That is amd64. |
| 22:56.11 | Dev0n | seems like it should all work on that machine |
| 22:56.17 | Dev0n | yea, I intend to run amd64 |
| 22:56.18 | Circuitsoft | The bigger issue is other BayTrail problems. |
| 22:56.38 | Dev0n | oh, such as? |
| 22:56.47 | Circuitsoft | I've only seen BayTrail on Laptops, but... |
| 22:57.03 | bytemonkey | what does this do? dpkg --status-fd 8 --force-confold --skip-same-version --configure |
| 22:57.06 | Dev0n | ultimately this will only run a few services so don't care for the video/audio |
| 22:57.09 | Circuitsoft | A lot of BayTrail platforms use HID over I2C, IMC camera, and the GPU might be a PowerVR. |
| 22:57.35 | Circuitsoft | If that's the case, then it's probably fine. |
| 22:57.42 | Circuitsoft | You may not get any video output at all, though. |
| 22:57.53 | Circuitsoft | But, you can always boot to a USB serial console. |
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| 22:58.26 | Circuitsoft | DevOn: If you want a /really/ nice server board, look at the SuperMicro MiniITX board with the Atom C2758. |
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| 22:58.45 | Circuitsoft | Hardware-accelerated SSL, Hardware-accelerated KVM-over-IP. |
| 22:58.49 | Circuitsoft | 4x Gigabit ethernet. |
| 22:58.58 | Dev0n | Circuitsoft, that sounds pretty good |
| 22:59.10 | Circuitsoft | And, you can mount a disk image of a CD off of a SAmba server to boot from. |
| 22:59.12 | PadawanLearner | price? |
| 22:59.16 | Dev0n | trying to setup a dev env at work and looking for something small to run |
| 22:59.21 | Circuitsoft | ~$300. |
| 22:59.23 | apt | i guess $300 is fine |
| 22:59.23 | Dev0n | so something like that sounds good |
| 22:59.29 | Circuitsoft | But, it does suppport up to 64GB of ECC ram. |
| 22:59.41 | Circuitsoft | 8 core, 2.4 GHz Intel Atom. |
| 22:59.48 | Dev0n | Circuitsoft, take it you've ran debian on these without any issues? |
| 22:59.51 | PadawanLearner | nice for a nas |
| 22:59.51 | Circuitsoft | yup. |
| 23:00.09 | sdfagdsa | is it maybe a better idea, to just nuke windows, and scrap uefi? |
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| 23:00.32 | Circuitsoft | If you're not using it for NAS, it only requries 12V (not a full PSU), so you can get a board from mini-box.com and run it off of an SLA battery. |
| 23:00.41 | Circuitsoft | sdfagdsa: Keep UEFI. |
| 23:00.55 | Circuitsoft | Once Linux is installed, put a Windows boot disk in, and do a boot repair. |
| 23:01.06 | Dev0n | Circuitsoft, it will pretty much run a few docker containers that will run an nginx frontend, a nodejs backend, a postgres server and redis. |
| 23:01.12 | Dev0n | That's all I really need on it. |
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| 23:01.55 | Dev0n | trying to avoid a big machine with fans which is why I've been looking at the mini ones |
| 23:01.59 | Dev0n | small and easy to tuck away in the office |
| 23:02.09 | Dev0n | no noise low wattage :D |
| 23:02.15 | Circuitsoft | C2758 is fanless |
| 23:02.23 | PadawanLearner | Dev0n: I have read a lot of commotion about docker, what do you think of it? |
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| 23:02.54 | Dev0n | PadawanLearner, honestly, it has improved our deployments a lot. |
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| 23:03.04 | Circuitsoft | http://www.mini-box.com/OpenUPS?sc=8&category=981 |
| 23:03.32 | PadawanLearner | what do you mean by improvement? |
| 23:04.01 | Dev0n | hah Circuitsoft, wow, that's pretty small :P |
| 23:04.32 | Circuitsoft | Hook it up to a 12V SLA battery, and almost any voltage of DC power supply, and you have a computer with a built-in UPS, good for several hours. |
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| 23:05.07 | Circuitsoft | Connect the SMBus connection to the SMBus header on the motherboard, and it will appear like the built-in power supply in a laptop. |
| 23:05.20 | Circuitsoft | Giving you real-time power draw, and estimated time-to-empty for the battery, when AC goes off. |
| 23:05.39 | Dev0n | PadawanLearner, it all depends on how your current stack. We've moved from a few hosts and have needed to spawn a few instances at times. Having the Docker flow nailed meant we were able to get things deployed out pretty fast. |
| 23:05.46 | Dev0n | -how* |
| 23:06.10 | livingroom | circuitsoft: ok abandoning my CentOS. it wont work with Samba AD - any recommended debian/ubuntu releases? what did you set it up on? |
| 23:06.20 | Circuitsoft | Debian Jessie. |
| 23:06.23 | Circuitsoft | (latest stable) |
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| 23:06.39 | Circuitsoft | https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Setup_a_Samba_Active_Directory_Domain_Controller |
| 23:06.49 | Circuitsoft | Skip the installation part, go straight to Provisioning. |
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| 23:07.38 | livingroom | question about jessie - does it come with a GUI environment |
| 23:08.03 | Circuitsoft | If you want. |
| 23:08.09 | livingroom | i want |
| 23:08.13 | Circuitsoft | If you do a desktop install, then yes. |
| 23:08.22 | Circuitsoft | Just tell it that it's a desktop, and you'll get Gnome. |
| 23:08.24 | PadawanLearner | there used to be a web gui called swat |
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| 23:08.29 | Circuitsoft | You can also select KDE, or XFCE. |
| 23:08.31 | Circuitsoft | Oh, that. |
| 23:08.34 | livingroom | no not a gui for samba |
| 23:08.38 | livingroom | just Gnome |
| 23:08.38 | Circuitsoft | swat is still around, but very minimal. |
| 23:08.54 | Circuitsoft | It's not really very useful anymore. |
| 23:09.04 | Circuitsoft | Most everything is done through either the samba-tool or net command. |
| 23:09.18 | livingroom | ok |
| 23:09.21 | livingroom | thats cool |
| 23:09.24 | Circuitsoft | For actual management, once it's provisioned, you can use the Windows RSAT tools. |
| 23:09.25 | livingroom | where the heck is a download ISO? |
| 23:09.35 | livingroom | debian website is very confusing :( |
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| 23:09.37 | Dev0n | Circuitsoft, other alternative was: https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-nuc5i5ryk.html |
| 23:09.52 | Dev0n | which does claim manufacture support for debian |
| 23:09.57 | Dev0n | but ofc more $$ |
| 23:10.01 | Circuitsoft | https://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 23:10.12 | Circuitsoft | Dev0n: It's also an i5, vs (effectively) an Atom. |
| 23:10.27 | Dev0n | yea |
| 23:10.45 | Dev0n | couldn't find anything prebuilt with SuperMicro MiniITX board with the Atom C2758 |
| 23:10.59 | Dev0n | looking to get something in the next few days |
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| 23:12.31 | Circuitsoft | Rackmount, or pedastal? |
| 23:13.06 | Dev0n | pedestal |
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| 23:13.43 | Circuitsoft | http://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-SuperServer-5028A-TN4-Mini-tower-Server/dp/B00T6J4CBO |
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| 23:13.57 | livingroom | ok circuit i'm downloading debian jessie now |
| 23:14.03 | Circuitsoft | http://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-Atom-C2758-Motherboards-MBD-A1SRI-2758F-O/dp/B00FM4M7TQ |
| 23:14.07 | livingroom | debian live 8.2 gnome it says |
| 23:14.34 | Circuitsoft | livingroom: You'll probably be fine with the netinstall disk |
| 23:14.42 | manes | hello everyone, I applied photorec to my drive, which had luks partitions, a lost partition and free space. only 1 mpg file of 180GB size was recovered. I was advised to use mpegdemux to see the contents of this file, but part of its output looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13319868/ (the process still continuing) my purpose was to see whether I can find any files hidden in this giant file. |
| 23:15.12 | Circuitsoft | manes: You can run photorec against the mpeg file. |
| 23:15.13 | manes | was this command the right one? or can I somehow see what makes this file 180GB? |
| 23:15.22 | livingroom | circuitsoft: netinstall disk? |
| 23:15.25 | livingroom | didnt see that |
| 23:15.32 | manes | Circuitsoft, does it re-recover more files? |
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| 23:16.17 | Circuitsoft | manes: "Small installation image" |
| 23:16.28 | manes | Circuitsoft, what does it mean? |
| 23:16.30 | PadawanLearner | or get this one http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-amd64-CD-1.iso |
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| 23:16.52 | PadawanLearner | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 23:17.04 | Circuitsoft | manes: On the distrib page, under "Download an installation image" is "A small insallation image" and "64-bit PC netinst iso". |
| 23:17.05 | PadawanLearner | one of those should do it |
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| 23:17.21 | Circuitsoft | That just means that the disk doesn't have pacakges, and will need an internet connection to download them. |
| 23:17.30 | livingroom | ok getting that |
| 23:17.40 | manes | Circuitsoft, sorry, is this a debian distro link? |
| 23:18.02 | manes | or another distro for recovery? |
| 23:18.06 | Circuitsoft | Sorry, I meant to respond to livingroom. |
| 23:18.19 | Circuitsoft | For you, just re-run photorec on the mpeg file it found. |
| 23:18.27 | Circuitsoft | And it should, hopefully, find more in there. |
| 23:18.54 | Circuitsoft | Unfortunately, signature-based file detection is sketchy, and you're not likely to actually get anything. |
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| 23:19.09 | Circuitsoft | Plus, if you were using LUKS, then you're not likely to find anything from that. |
| 23:19.27 | manes | Circuitsoft, the problem is that luks was apparently borked, so there is no luks. |
| 23:19.58 | manes | citation above: 'lost partition' |
| 23:20.04 | Circuitsoft | Then anything inside luks is gone. |
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| 23:20.25 | Circuitsoft | Sometimes, gpart can recover a partition table, then you might be able to recover something from luks. |
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| 23:21.56 | manes | Circuitsoft, the partition table hasnt changed. just this partition was vapourized while all other partitions retained their places and positions. |
| 23:22.15 | Circuitsoft | Define vapourized. |
| 23:22.21 | manes | that's why I thought gparted could not help with it, if I'm not mistaken |
| 23:22.53 | cblake | my sound card's Mic gain is very very low.. alsamixer showing dB gain max to 6 !!? |
| 23:22.56 | manes | Circuitsoft, after the partition was made, I removed the drive. next time I inserted it, the partition was 'unknown' |
| 23:23.14 | Circuitsoft | So, re-run cryptsetup. |
| 23:23.23 | Circuitsoft | Sounds like it lost a config file, but all the data should still be there. |
| 23:23.41 | Circuitsoft | I don't think LUKS leaves any signature, so you need to manually point to the partition, and there's a config file for it. |
| 23:24.06 | manes | Circuitsoft, that's what I'd hoped, as it was not a data loss. I dont know how to do these, could you maybe help? |
| 23:24.26 | Circuitsoft | No. I haven't actually used LUKS. |
| 23:24.33 | Circuitsoft | But, find a guide for getting started with LUKS. |
| 23:24.33 | manes | I used cryptsetup, though. |
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| 23:24.56 | Dev0n | thanks for the links Circuitsoft, I'll check them out |
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| 23:24.57 | manes | thanks |
| 23:25.11 | Circuitsoft | https://alvinabad.wordpress.com/2012/09/22/how-to-recover-a-luks-encrypted-disk/ |
| 23:26.29 | Circuitsoft | Dev0n: Also, get the model number, and check out other vendors (if you prefer). They're carried pretty widely. |
| 23:26.39 | Dev0n | cool |
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| 23:27.14 | livingroom | question, do i want LVM? |
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| 23:27.36 | Circuitsoft | I like it. |
| 23:27.52 | livingroom | what does it even do |
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| 23:28.03 | livingroom | i have never heard of it before this moment |
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| 23:28.59 | manes | Circuitsoft, I'd applied it all until 6.step on the linked page. haven't used vgchange yet. but I could open the partition via 'cryptsetup luksopen'. but the folder was empty. |
| 23:29.01 | livingroom | i think ill skip it. this is a VM |
| 23:30.46 | manes | but vgchange was for LVM, as I just saw. I didnt have that |
| 23:30.48 | livingroom | circuitsoft: using net install disk, it did not ask me what packages i want to install... where or when do i do that? |
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| 23:32.02 | PadawanLearner | livingroom: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ |
| 23:32.16 | PadawanLearner | you should at least skim that doc |
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| 23:34.00 | livingroom | oh cool ok thx |
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| 23:43.32 | Nydjer | what's the best terminal? |
| 23:43.39 | vamps | rxvt-unicode |
| 23:43.53 | Nydjer | do you use anything like guake/yakuake? |
| 23:44.32 | wsky | no, it's stuppid except games |
| 23:44.41 | wsky | unless you really liked the ol quake consoles |
| 23:44.49 | Nydjer | I like the quick access |
| 23:45.13 | Nydjer | one hotkey to reach/hide it |
| 23:45.21 | Nydjer | no tabs tho |
| 23:46.04 | PadawanLearner | what about plain keyboard shortcuts? |
| 23:46.08 | Circuitsoft | Nydjer: Try rox-filter. |
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| 23:46.19 | wsky | desktops environments usually provide a default key combination for spawning a new terminal window |
| 23:46.22 | Circuitsoft | ` will open your choice of terminal emulator in the current folder. |
| 23:46.27 | Circuitsoft | *rox-filer |
| 23:46.31 | wsky | also there always is alt+f2 for quick command line |
| 23:46.40 | cheater | and alt-tab. |
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| 23:48.06 | black_mamba | hi |
| 23:48.21 | wsky | sup |
| 23:50.54 | Nydjer | Circuitsoft: it's a file manager |
| 23:52.10 | iWaldo | i've got a volume group called xyz-vg, but all of my devices in mapper are things like xyz--vg-<lvname>. what's with the double dash? not a big deal but it kind of irks me. |
| 23:54.39 | Circuitsoft | Nydjer: It's the fastest file manager I've used. And it has the best terminal/command access of any file manager. |
| 23:54.44 | Nydjer | PadawanLearner: >what about plain keyboard shortcuts? |
| 23:54.44 | Nydjer | can 1 hotkey be configure to do both actions: call a program or hide it's window if it's active? |
| 23:55.07 | Circuitsoft | iWaldo: /dev/vgname/lv-name is equivalent to /dev/mapper/vgname-lv--name |
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| 23:57.06 | iWaldo | Circuitsoft, that doesn't seem to follow the pattern i see. i've got "xyz-vg" for my vgname and i'm seeing "xyz--vg-<lvname>" |
| 23:57.15 | iWaldo | i may misunderstand |
| 23:57.55 | iWaldo | the first hierarchy structure you mentioned exists |
| 23:58.04 | somiaj | I have find dir -iname foo -o iname foo2, and I want to imply -delete. If I put -delete in front it takes out the whole directory, so this means I need to put it on every term that i use -iname foo -delete -o -iname foo2 -delete for it to work. I'm guessig in order to not have to add -delete in each part I need to write a better matching pattern? |
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| 23:58.17 | iWaldo | but i would expect the 'double dash' to be between the vg the lv, not in the middle of the vg name itself |
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