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| 00:27.27 | g-n0m3 | hello there... I'm having trouble with a couple of things since installing Jessie on my Acer V3-772g and I hoped someone here can help diagnose and correct. |
| 00:27.27 | g-n0m3 | Both power related so I suspect ACPI settings. Firstly my WACOM tablet has stopped working and fails to power up let alone be recognised as a plugged in system available for use. lsusb reveals nothing, no connection, yet this very tablet worked fine initially and works fine on many other machines, doesn't matter what os is used. How do I decide that this is a power fault? |
| 00:27.27 | g-n0m3 | Secondly, my machine hangs whenever I attempt to resurrect it from standby / hibernation. I frequently have to hard boot this thing and it's getting frustrating. |
| 00:27.27 | g-n0m3 | Who has some troubleshooting tips I might try? |
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| 00:30.52 | g-n0m3 | really? kicked for that? |
| 00:31.24 | n0t | bots don't give a shit :) |
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| 00:32.55 | g-n0m3 | what is the point of a chatroom that you can't chat in? |
| 00:33.12 | maazu | g-n0m3: point it to #c |
| 00:33.42 | n0t | If you have LOTS to say, use http://paste.debian.net as the bot said when it kicked you. |
| 00:34.36 | g-n0m3 | why would anyone click a link to read a long post though? I don't understand. I thought that was purely for code |
| 00:34.48 | dimitry7 | Hi there, how can I find words with more than 3 letters 'p' in them? |
| 00:35.04 | g-n0m3 | regex |
| 00:35.12 | maazu | dimitry7: pineapple 3ps |
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| 00:35.43 | dimitry7 | maazu, with grep |
| 00:35.50 | n0t | It's an ease of use thing. If we have bots that do moderation to stop spamming, then we don't need to waste human resources doing it and ops can work on more pressing matters |
| 00:36.51 | n0t | Anyways, what video drivers are you using g-n0m3? I've heard of problems with a few different ones. |
| 00:36.59 | n0t | Have you checked this page? https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend |
| 00:37.29 | g-n0m3 | n0t: fair enough but to be kicked for a one time use? that's a bit excessive i would have thought. i'm assuming you can still read my messages.. i no longer can it would seem so i might try logging in and out again |
| 00:37.55 | maazu | dimitry7: does not exist english word with 4p or more |
| 00:38.16 | ryouma | maazu: whippersnapper whippersnapper's whippersnappers |
| 00:38.34 | maazu | ryouma: 2 separate words |
| 00:38.36 | g-n0m3 | test |
| 00:38.49 | ryouma | maazu: lol no |
| 00:39.28 | n0t | g-n0me: Like I said, it's just a programmed bot to identify spam. I doubt people spent much time making the algorithms and kept it very simple. |
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| 00:39.56 | g-n0m3 | test |
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| 00:40.13 | jelly | g-n0m3: you're still here |
| 00:40.19 | n0t | We can read your text g-n0m3 |
| 00:40.46 | n0t | You should check this link https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend . "Software suspend is still experimental. Depending on your system, a few more steps are needed to get suspend partially or fully working. However, many people find that it works quite well now." |
| 00:40.58 | g-n0m3 | thanks jelly. I haven't been able to until just now.. had to close my irc client and re-open rather than just close the room and rejoin |
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| 00:43.28 | g-n0m3 | thanks n0t i'm having a read through now. I can live with just shutting it down for now, but its so much easier being able to close the lid and pick up where i left off the next morning simply by opening the lid again. |
| 00:43.28 | g-n0m3 | The REAL, and unnacceptable issue for me now is the failure of my wacom tablet. It just escapes me what to do and I wanted to ask some assistance before I take the machine back and battle with them over a hardware fault that may not be covered now i've replaced operating system |
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| 00:45.30 | g-n0m3 | http://paste.debian.net/304295/ |
| 00:47.12 | n0t | Have you done anything to set it up, or did you just plug it in and hope it worked? |
| 00:47.15 | jelly | g-n0m3: tried connecting it to a different usb port? |
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| 00:48.13 | g-n0m3 | n0t: It's supported by default and I've never had to do so. In fact, it was working fine initially. |
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| 00:48.25 | g-n0m3 | jelly: each and everyone ;-) |
| 00:48.32 | jelly | g-n0m3: did it ever work on debian, or connected to this machine? |
| 00:48.49 | wuapo | is there a way to get the chat logs on this? |
| 00:49.06 | jelly | !irc logs |
| 00:49.06 | dpkg | from memory, irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/ |
| 00:49.27 | g-n0m3 | jelly: yes.. initially. then i had to reinstall after breaking x when installing nvidia drivers and updating x config |
| 00:49.53 | wuapo | oh beautiful |
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| 00:51.48 | g-n0m3 | I note from the 'suspend' page on the wiki there is only a work around for suspend function on jessie and it is a gnome solution.. maybe using cinnamon was a bad choice? |
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| 01:28.44 | dreamor | can anyone recommend me GPLed alternative to Dreamweaver? I am after a GUI app. The closest app that I could find is Bluefish. |
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| 01:31.49 | dreamor | will be back in a little while |
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| 01:35.51 | wuapo__ | still here >_> |
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| 01:39.53 | beastwick | does anyone here have experience with pulseaudio and schroot? |
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| 01:42.49 | survivor_ | Flashplayer help> anyone? fresh net.iso install here youtubes not working |
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| 01:43.14 | survivor_ | flashplugin-nonfree not in repos? |
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| 01:44.12 | vickycq | https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=flashplugin |
| 01:44.33 | vickycq | You have to manually install it. |
| 01:45.04 | survivor_ | ok thanks |
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| 01:45.21 | vickycq | apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 01:45.27 | jmcnaught | survivor_: it's in the repos, you have to add the "contrib" section |
| 01:45.37 | survivor_ | ty |
| 01:46.30 | wuapo__ | is there a way to filter out the people connecting and dcing? |
| 01:46.46 | abrotman | wuapo__: what's your client? |
| 01:47.03 | vickycq | If you use Xchat, you can toggle Hide Join/Part Message |
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| 01:48.27 | vickycq | Xchat: Right click on the channel - Settings |
| 01:48.42 | ryouma | wuapo__: rcirc has a way. it works well. |
| 01:48.54 | percY- | I had an interesting issue last night, I was doing stuff on my pc, and out of nowhere i hear the sound my motherboard makes when the server boots on for the first time or reboots. I cannot seem to find the cause of this issue. |
| 01:48.55 | percY- | Any suggestions? |
| 01:49.54 | vickycq | percY-, Was it a 'beep' sound? |
| 01:50.05 | percY- | Yeah, i have a supermicro board. |
| 01:51.08 | percY- | it's the standard sound it makes upon booting up |
| 01:52.03 | percY- | Nothing in the logs show anything, I'm guessing it's a possibility of a bad power supply? This is the first time this happens. |
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| 01:53.19 | wuapo__ | it happens only when you start and stop the server? |
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| 01:53.53 | vickycq | Maybe it's a terminal bell? |
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| 01:54.06 | beastwick | Yeah this pulseaudio isn't working for me. |
| 01:54.16 | percY- | my fileserver was on and working fine |
| 01:54.17 | beastwick | I can't get it to share with the host |
| 01:54.28 | beastwick | however I can kill it in the host and spawn it in the chroot |
| 01:54.31 | percY- | what im trying to say is my fileserver rebooted out of no where which is puzzling |
| 01:54.36 | beastwick | but in the chroot I don't see all my devices |
| 01:54.40 | percY- | I can't figure out the cause |
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| 02:03.48 | wuapo__ | did you check cpu usage? |
| 02:04.11 | wuapo__ | or resource monitoring .. ? |
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| 02:05.17 | diamonds | I have a raspberry pi & no network cable to connect to it. I want to set it up to connect to wifi when it boots. I have the SD card (w/OS etc.) in my other computer now, is there any reason I can't edit /etc/network/interfaces directly then pop it back in the pi to boot up and autojoin? |
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| 02:06.31 | radical-equanimi | OK. How do I get the process group ID of a process given its name? |
| 02:06.54 | wuapo__ | does anyone know the order of load for bash profiles? like does .profile overwrite bashrc? |
| 02:07.27 | abrotman | Did you read the top of your .bashrc ? |
| 02:07.37 | wuapo__ | from .profile? |
| 02:08.04 | wuapo__ | Funny |
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| 02:09.13 | wuapo__ | radical-equanimi, i believe pidof ___ |
| 02:09.29 | xtturbo | diamonds: no just make sure you use a proper text editor and not notepad |
| 02:10.01 | beastwick | ok nevermind got it |
| 02:10.20 | beastwick | if anyone wants to know just enable everything that is in the schroot fstab file |
| 02:10.25 | beastwick | seems to be good for pulseaudio sharing now |
| 02:10.25 | beastwick | :D |
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| 02:11.35 | radical-equanimi | thanks wuapo, looks like it only retunrs the process ID not its PGID |
| 02:13.01 | wuapo__ | oops my b |
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| 02:40.24 | odicforce | hi all !!! is possible to chroot from x32 to x64 ? |
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| 02:44.00 | jovelianarc | hey guys I made a stupid mistake ;( I did chown myuser:myuser in /usr/bin thinking that I was in /home/user/bin |
| 02:44.26 | jovelianarc | can I restore poermissions there? I already restored sudo permission using pkexec, but I am not sure how I can do to the rest |
| 02:44.34 | shay_shay | :D |
| 02:45.01 | shay_shay | chown root:root |
| 02:45.06 | jovelianarc | would it be a big issue? at all beside security complications? |
| 02:45.20 | jovelianarc | hmm so the whoe think should be owned by root and that should solve it?> |
| 02:45.36 | shay_shay | yeah |
| 02:45.43 | jovelianarc | cool, awesome |
| 02:45.56 | jovelianarc | I remember when I actually did that on / some years ago |
| 02:46.07 | jovelianarc | ;) lessons learned |
| 02:46.18 | shay_shay | I screwed up our samba at work with -R |
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| 02:46.34 | shay_shay | but it was recursive chmod |
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| 02:47.13 | jovelianarc | I guess happens to people here and there. I had to reinstall my Debian back then |
| 02:47.16 | shay_shay | but I was only doing it from my user. they had a security issue which enabled me to chown files i didn't even own |
| 02:47.27 | shay_shay | er |
| 02:47.34 | shay_shay | chmod files I didn't even own |
| 02:47.50 | dreamor | i have a friend who is about to install jessie on his laptop? Is Brackets in the debian jessie repo? He does not want to use contrib/non free |
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| 02:47.54 | jovelianarc | was it an NTFS permission issue? |
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| 02:52.24 | cra1g321 | dreamor - you can check here - http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 02:52.49 | dreamor | cra1g321, thanks |
| 02:53.52 | cra1g321 | if you're talking about the editor, it's a no, there is deb files here - https://github.com/adobe/brackets/releases |
| 02:54.04 | cra1g321 | but doesnt say whether they are for ubuntu or debian :/ |
| 02:54.59 | cra1g321 | mm.. just says Linux (Debian/Ubuntu) |
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| 02:59.59 | shay_shay | jovelianarc: no something to do with recursive synlinks on samba and mdadm... never really figured it out because my managers were not interested in it and I was not trying to rub salt in the wounds |
| 03:00.14 | shay_shay | bureaucracy |
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| 03:01.39 | desperatekid | hey I am typing a command iwlist scan but it all scrolls up. is there an option I can add so that I can see scroll through the output |
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| 03:03.00 | Equa | desperatekid: shift + pageup. you can do it and | less |
| 03:03.43 | shay_shay | cra1g321: it seems like it is Debian/Ubuntu agnostic |
| 03:03.54 | desperatekid | Thanks. |
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| 03:17.01 | desperatekid | if my router is using mixed for wireless mode then what would I put in interfaces file? |
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| 03:19.46 | dimitry7 | Hello guys! I have installed nvidia packages: apt-get install nvidia-cuda-*. I will use GPU to accelarate my WPA2 decrypt process... is there anything else I need to do for aircrack to take advantage of the GPU? Thanks! |
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| 03:28.56 | desperatekid | how would you copy output from a command |
| 03:30.02 | dimitry7 | desperatekid, you don't have a GUI? |
| 03:30.10 | desperatekid | no |
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| 03:30.40 | desperatekid | This is my first time really using linux. I am not even sure how to get a gui. |
| 03:30.52 | michae | copy it where |
| 03:30.54 | dimitry7 | send the output to a file ls > file.txt |
| 03:30.58 | michae | you can always pipe to somewhere and yeah |
| 03:31.12 | desperatekid | ah I see |
| 03:31.16 | desperatekid | Thanks that should work. |
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| 03:42.23 | desperatekid | Ok so I set up everything accoding to the man page and I even tried googling but I am unable to fix the error: wpa_supplicant daemon failed to start |
| 03:42.28 | desperatekid | any suggestions |
| 03:46.53 | desperatekid | nvm solved it. |
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| 04:01.43 | johnsonliao | My vi's hjkl keys after accidentally pressing some keys now is not working. |
| 04:01.58 | johnsonliao | array key is still functioning. |
| 04:02.34 | johnsonliao | but command such as :q :wq etc. is useless. |
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| 04:03.20 | johnsonliao | i remember once upon a time i read some articles it's a key binding for some purposes but I couldn't disable that now. |
| 04:03.25 | johnsonliao | any suggestions? |
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| 04:08.53 | Rusty1 | johnsonliao: you havent made any keybinding changes for the de that you are using? |
| 04:09.19 | johnsonliao | no it's complete default setting. |
| 04:09.51 | johnsonliao | the only thing in .vimrc is highlight "set hlsearch" |
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| 04:10.21 | Rusty1 | tapping esc , doesnt bring back : when pressed |
| 04:11.11 | johnsonliao | i remember it was some other function by pressing something like shift + ... then keys, : command, etc would make you feel like it's disabled. |
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| 04:11.32 | johnsonliao | yea, tapping, esc, :, etc. none of them works. |
| 04:11.57 | johnsonliao | only arrow key and enter would see the cursor up/down/... |
| 04:12.31 | johnsonliao | i really can't remember the key word that would go back to the normal mode. |
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| 04:13.07 | johnsonliao | it seem related to key binding like shift, i or something related. |
| 04:13.46 | Rusty1 | in a vm ? |
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| 04:14.04 | Rusty1 | vm=virtual machine |
| 04:14.04 | johnsonliao | not in a vim |
| 04:14.12 | johnsonliao | but my local desktop |
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| 04:15.25 | johnsonliao | i launch vim as my daily work, editing some code. then accidentally press some keys i am not aware of, then the vim looks like nothing is working now. |
| 04:15.38 | johnsonliao | except arrow, and enter key. |
| 04:15.55 | Rusty1 | could try #vim channel, probly make quick work of it |
| 04:16.07 | johnsonliao | i see. thanks! |
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| 05:20.36 | aceRacer | I am looking at debian downloads. I have a question, instead of downloading a 3.7Gigs dvd iso, can I install the 1.3Gig debian live from usb? |
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| 05:21.57 | AlexLikeRock | yes aceRacer |
| 05:22.15 | AlexLikeRock | live can do this |
| 05:22.40 | aceRacer | ok. thanks. |
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| 05:24.00 | AlexLikeRock | aceRacer, and CD NETINSTALL too |
| 05:24.19 | Guest16734 | I downloaded the Debian 8 netinstall ISO image, is it possible that during the installation I install in onto a flash drive so I can use it on any computer |
| 05:24.54 | AlexLikeRock | aceRacer, netinstall CD 555 MB , |
| 05:25.00 | AlexLikeRock | more ligth, aceRacer |
| 05:25.31 | rozie | aceRacer: and you can install from any live with debootstrap package |
| 05:25.49 | rozie | (even with gentoo live) |
| 05:25.56 | AlexLikeRock | Guest16569, yes |
| 05:28.12 | Guest16734 | Awesome |
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| 05:49.07 | knivsta | hi |
| 05:49.11 | knivsta | I am having an issue |
| 05:49.25 | knivsta | local fonts won't show well in Iceweasel |
| 05:49.43 | knivsta | instead some boxes with digits in it are visible |
| 05:49.47 | knivsta | I installed the fonts |
| 05:49.59 | knivsta | It was not the issue with previous debian installation |
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| 05:52.42 | knivsta | anyone? |
| 05:52.52 | kalpu | Hi, I have replaced a library (one file in /usr/lib) of a specific package. Now I want that the package management keeps this package at the current state and does never an update. How to do that? |
| 05:52.56 | AlexLikeRock | wait dor a 30 min |
| 05:53.04 | AlexLikeRock | knivsta, |
| 05:53.34 | knivsta | AlexLikeRock, hey? |
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| 06:00.26 | Equa | kalpu: man apt-mark. apt-mark hold <package> |
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| 06:01.11 | kalpu | thanks |
| 06:01.47 | knivsta | AlexLikeRock, what happeneD? |
| 06:03.55 | AlexLikeRock | about what ? |
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| 06:05.42 | knivsta | AlexLikeRock, you asked me to wait? |
| 06:05.43 | knivsta | What? |
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| 06:07.37 | AlexLikeRock | answer from hir |
| 06:08.09 | knivsta | AlexLikeRock, I did it anyways |
| 06:08.17 | knivsta | I think no one is willing to help a newbie :/ |
| 06:08.19 | knivsta | cries |
| 06:08.30 | AlexLikeRock | no, |
| 06:08.36 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.45 | AlexLikeRock | many people , sleep |
| 06:09.02 | AlexLikeRock | some ones , start day |
| 06:09.09 | AlexLikeRock | you mus wait |
| 06:09.09 | Saturn812 | yep :( |
| 06:09.24 | AlexLikeRock | you must wait *** |
| 06:09.41 | Saturn812 | but why must! |
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| 06:10.32 | knivsta | AlexLikeRock, I did it anyways |
| 06:10.35 | knivsta | What's up people? |
| 06:10.45 | moneylotion | hey, anyone have an idea how I could rsync "from" a read only file system (DVD)???? |
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| 06:37.09 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 06:37.23 | tite12345 | How can I use my non free software friendly graphics driver? |
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| 06:39.00 | tite12345 | Here's the details of my graphics card https://paste.debian.net/304372/ |
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| 06:43.19 | ICantCook | Hi all. I have a question about setting up my raspberry pi with a static ip address using wifi. I'm asking here because raspbian is based on debian and this chan 1.6k users. |
| 06:43.33 | ICantCook | Here is my /etc/network/interfaces file: http://paste.ofcode.org/kYRivHnabEWwNfhhH6dD5R |
| 06:44.00 | ICantCook | I would expect wlan0 to have the IP ending in .156 on startup |
| 06:44.09 | ICantCook | instead it gets random DHCP addresses |
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| 06:44.58 | maik | i don't remember, but does whitespace matter? |
| 06:45.07 | maik | if so address, netmask, and gateway should be indented |
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| 06:50.35 | ICantCook | maik: rebooting now. I hope that's it |
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| 06:53.21 | tite12345 | How can I use my graphics driver? |
| 06:53.29 | tite12345 | My eyes sore a bit from the default graphics Debian uses. |
| 06:53.42 | tite12345 | My graphics card is not free software compatible. |
| 06:53.52 | knivsta | hi |
| 06:55.27 | jwd | maybe there is a driver in the non-free repo? |
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| 06:57.31 | knivsta | tite12345, What do you want to know? |
| 06:57.37 | knivsta | tite12345, which laptop/desktop? |
| 06:57.45 | tite12345 | HP Pavilion 15 |
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| 06:58.20 | tite12345 | It's not like I would get compromised or something when I use my nonfree graphics driver right? |
| 06:58.22 | tite12345 | :) |
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| 06:58.38 | tite12345 | Hopefully not - well probably there would be of course but hopefully not that drastic or awful. |
| 06:59.20 | jwd | what graphics card inside? |
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| 07:00.02 | koowgnojeel | Hi, I have got this message when I plug in external USB drive into my PC. - ls: cannot access /media/usb0: Transport endpoint is not connected |
| 07:00.49 | jwd | might be an issue with fuse |
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| 07:01.06 | ryouma | it's a valid question whether the proprietary drivers are backdoored |
| 07:01.38 | koowgnojeel | Hi jwd :) Do you know how do I solve this ? I just upgrade my Debian 7 to 8. |
| 07:02.40 | jwd | is the device listed when you run lsusb? |
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| 07:03.14 | koowgnojeel | jwd: I can mount my external HDD with mount command manually. |
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| 07:05.02 | koowgnojeel | I have mtools, usbmount. |
| 07:05.04 | jwd | any error messages in the log? |
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| 07:05.50 | jwd | any output if you do a "usbhid-dump" |
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| 07:06.48 | koowgnojeel | jwd: http://pastebin.com/WtuRx0bY or dmesg // Yes the output looks like a hexa table. |
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| 07:07.31 | ICantCook | maik: Looks like the indenting fixed it! Thanks for that |
| 07:07.52 | koowgnojeel | http://pastebin.com/H2SRqACF This is for usbhid-dump |
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| 07:08.08 | maik | ICantCook: oh right on |
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| 07:10.00 | tite12345 | ryouma: Are you talking about my issue? |
| 07:10.25 | tite12345 | jwd: Card-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Sun XT [Radeon HD 8670A/8670M/8690M] |
| 07:10.55 | jwd | radeon card drivers should be in non-free |
| 07:11.04 | jwd | at leasst mine been |
| 07:11.51 | jwd | koowgnojeel: i get myself a clear text output on that command. let me think a moment |
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| 07:13.23 | koowgnojeel | jwd: Thanks ! |
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| 07:16.18 | koowgnojeel | $ sudo mount yields '/dev/sdb1 on /media/usb0 type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,allow_other,blksize=4096,user)' |
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| 07:17.00 | ryouma | tite12345: i have a radeon that no longer works on jessie and does not work with ddccontrol so face the choice of proprietary driver or buy a new card for a 9yo computer |
| 07:17.32 | ezra-s | ryouma: you could try newer drivers from a newer kernel |
| 07:17.39 | tite12345 | ryouma: What do you mean? Are you saying that I can't no longer use my proprietary driver? |
| 07:17.56 | koowgnojeel | I have radeon and I don't use proprietary driver. I think. :) |
| 07:18.36 | jwd | well on my lenovo i have to use non-free drivers for my radeon card to |
| 07:18.59 | jwd | firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 07:19.39 | jmcnaught | jwd: the firmware is different than the driver. if you still use the radeon driver, that's the open source one. fglrx is proprietary |
| 07:19.44 | jwd | koowgnojeel: there been changes to fuse between wheezy and jessie. |
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| 07:20.15 | ryouma | ezra-s: tite12345 koowgnojeel clarification: i have a radeon /2000 series/ that no longer works on jessie /using the free driver/ and does not work with ddccontrol /using the free driver/ so face the choice of proprietary driver or buy a new card for a 9yo computer. is there any reason to believe a new kernel will fix it? |
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| 07:20.39 | tite12345 | Ah |
| 07:20.42 | tite12345 | Gah! |
| 07:20.44 | koowgnojeel | jwd: It's not critical issue. I can mount my drives manually. :) Thanks. I don't want you to spend too much on me. I'm a home user. I can have fresh install at anytime. :) |
| 07:20.56 | tite12345 | Being a Free Software user is hard - I think :( |
| 07:21.05 | tite12345 | Trisquel though has a decent graphics |
| 07:21.17 | tite12345 | Without me even having to use my nonfree graphics driver |
| 07:21.18 | ezra-s | ryouma: try and see |
| 07:21.25 | jwd | koowgnojeel: i know that there been changes to fuse on jessie. |
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| 07:21.37 | ryouma | ezra-s: if they have not fixed it in 9 years, why would a few months newer kernel fix it? |
| 07:21.44 | jmcnaught | tite12345: if you really want to use an open source driver, you could use the intel GPU in your computer instead |
| 07:21.47 | koowgnojeel | jwd: :) |
| 07:21.52 | ezra-s | I had issues with the opensource driver in one of my amd cards until I compiled a 3.18 kernel |
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| 07:22.37 | jwd | and jmcnaught: thx for the clearification :-) |
| 07:22.40 | ezra-s | ryouma: if it is a driver issue, newer kernels bring improved drivers, but if you just want to give up, noone is stopping you |
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| 07:22.50 | jwd | but i am prefectly fine anyway. |
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| 07:23.40 | ryouma | ezra-s: i suppose maybe they might fix the breakage in jessie in the free driver, but i'd think that would be a driver issue not a kernel issue but what do i know |
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| 07:24.19 | ryouma | jmcnaught: now i am really confused. so nonfree firmware might be irrelevant. hmm. |
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| 07:24.54 | ezra-s | ryouma: who said kernel issue? kernel brings radeon Open source driver |
| 07:25.05 | ryouma | ezra-s: i will put that on the list then |
| 07:25.21 | ryouma | ezra-s: so then jessie backports? |
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| 07:25.50 | jmcnaught | ryouma: non-free firmware is still non-free software, but it's code for the chips on the graphics card, not for the system CPU. same kind of situation as with some wifi cards needing a non-free firmware to run (like my iwlwifi) |
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| 07:26.13 | ezra-s | I am just recommending it because I had issues with 3.16+ kernels and my radeon and fixed them using one from a newer kernel |
| 07:26.31 | ryouma | jmcnaught: oh i get that part, just confused about what one might need, and what the firmware might fix |
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| 07:36.16 | Lope | do /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb files include a checksum inside them? |
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| 07:45.09 | Huck777 | hi, my network card sometimes work and most of the time not... i already tried the backports kernel. Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection (2) I218-V 1849:15a1 |
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| 07:50.52 | jmcnaught | Lope: .deb packages contain checksums of the files that the package provides, but the checksums for the packages themselves will be in the *Packages files in /var/lib/apt/lists |
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| 07:54.18 | koowgnojeel | jwd: Pay attention that usbmount no longer support NTFS since debian jessie - from - http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/24731/automounting-usb-sticks-on-debian - Awe I spent 25 minutes. I should've stay with Wheezy :) |
| 07:54.41 | jwd | thx fro the feedback |
| 07:54.48 | koowgnojeel | jwd: :) |
| 07:56.49 | koowgnojeel | But I really want to solve this. It's not critical but I'm so curious. o_O jwd How do you use NTFS usb drive ? in automatical way. |
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| 07:57.33 | jwd | will you be mad at me if i say that i do not use ntfs at all? |
| 07:58.06 | koowgnojeel | Nope :P |
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| 07:58.52 | koowgnojeel | jwd: I was able to use this drive automatically with Jessie-with-mate edition. |
| 07:59.49 | jwd | so many variations possible. so many failures. |
| 07:59.56 | koowgnojeel | This is upgraded version from Wheezy. |
| 08:00.15 | jwd | wishes back the day we engraved runes in stoneplates. way less compatibility issues back then |
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| 08:01.23 | koowgnojeel | This is my PC : Boot up > $ startx > Openbox :) second one, Boot up > Mate What do I miss. |
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| 08:05.10 | koowgnojeel | I don't actually have no friends or people to share all about Debian.(In real life). But I don't like to hear 'Linux can't even mount a HDD automatically.' I'm not a great person with great job. But when people say like that, I feel so no-good. I currently have no problem with using my HDD but >_< I hate this happened. |
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| 08:07.34 | jwd | hard to tell the diff. i am not so deep in the various X desktop systems |
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| 08:08.00 | koowgnojeel | I don't like heavy GUI. :P |
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| 08:09.41 | jwd | first i do is to open a shell anyway. the gui does not realy matter |
| 08:10.12 | koowgnojeel | jwd: What desktop do you use ? |
| 08:10.28 | koowgnojeel | Oh KDE |
| 08:11.08 | jwd | i work in front of a mac and connect to various servers that run debian |
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| 08:12.10 | jwd | my notebook runs cinnamon. but that been just a random pick |
| 08:12.27 | koowgnojeel | I see. |
| 08:12.48 | koowgnojeel | I suck at Linux :P |
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| 08:39.41 | koowgnojeel | Jessie : aptitude install mplayer produce 'No candidate version found for mplayer' |
| 08:40.55 | themill | mplayer isn't in jessie; mpv or mplayer2 are popular alternatives |
| 08:41.07 | koowgnojeel | themill: Thanks :) |
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| 08:52.46 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 08:53.35 | darxmurf | is there a way to load iwlwifi in a live debian ? I installed the packages, modprobe iwlwifi but it's not displaying my card |
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| 08:55.06 | darxmurf | sorry it's fine, reloaded iwlwifi and it's okay |
| 08:55.21 | koowgnojeel | O_O Why my Vim keep pasting a wrong text automatically. pressed ESC o in Vim in Xterm. |
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| 08:55.57 | tmp_ | Hi, my wireless keeps dropping or does not work. I see though that /lib/firmware contains iwlwifi-7265-10.ucode while modinfo has iwlwifi-7265-12.ucode listed. Could this be the issue? (if so, any idea when version 12 will come out?) I'm on a thinkpad t430s with intel centrino advanced-n 6205 wireless card. Thanks! |
| 08:56.07 | koowgnojeel | I must did wrong when I upgrade my Deiban. >_< |
| 08:57.05 | bezaban | koowgnojeel: by default o should instert a new line below the cursor, sure you didn't hit p? |
| 08:57.14 | bezaban | as that is paste |
| 08:57.25 | bezaban | (and resides next to o - on my keyboard at least) |
| 08:58.04 | vecciora | I want to report a bug, but I don't know which package I should enter. It's that the cursor theme for Adwaita in KDE is wrong. I've seen the "hand" cursor in /usr/share/icons/Adwaita/cursors and the "hand" cursor in KDE systemsettings. They're different. The one in systemsettings is actually Oxygen's "hand" cursor. |
| 08:58.10 | Brigo | tmp_, check logs about the firmware |
| 08:59.38 | koowgnojeel | bezaban: No, I pressed o, I think it's not Debian's fault.(?) |
| 08:59.38 | vecciora | I've installed another cursor theme from the net and they become wrong too. So it's not the Adwaita which is wrong, it's the KDE. |
| 08:59.50 | vecciora | But I don't know which package I should enter. |
| 09:01.08 | tmp_ | Brigo: sorry, but where can i find them? (when googling I only find bugreports mailing lists) |
| 09:01.25 | koowgnojeel | bezaban: or xterm |
| 09:01.26 | Brigo | tmp_, in your system :) |
| 09:01.33 | Brigo | tmp_, try journalctl -b |
| 09:01.50 | Brigo | tmp_, and search for firmware |
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| 09:03.10 | tmp_ | kk, and is there anything in particular I'm looking for? |
| 09:03.36 | Brigo | tmp_, error, wireless driver outuput, firmware ... |
| 09:03.44 | Brigo | output* |
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| 09:03.56 | tmp_ | alright cool! i'll check i out |
| 09:06.09 | Brigo | tmp_, are you using debian jessie with the default kernel, right? |
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| 09:09.49 | tmp_ | Brigo: yes, well i tried all, jessie, strech and sid all did the same |
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| 09:10.37 | Brigo | tmp_, that's not good :/ |
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| 09:11.36 | JyZyXEL | how do i prevent apparmor from flooding "ALLOWED" messages to my dmesg? |
| 09:11.43 | JyZyXEL | its flooding thousands of lines |
| 09:12.24 | knivsta | https://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 09:12.24 | knivsta | What should I do to be an Debian Consultant? |
| 09:12.24 | knivsta | I know hwo to install / admin / basics |
| 09:12.25 | knivsta | :) |
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| 09:14.36 | bumbar_ | can i change user's group with adduser? |
| 09:15.16 | themill | You can add them to additional groups with adduser |
| 09:15.18 | tmp_ | Brigo: haha, thanks =) |
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| 09:15.34 | Brigo | tmp_, did you find something? |
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| 09:16.03 | bumbar_ | themill, i've already created user. there's usermod, which seems fitting for this |
| 09:16.16 | tmp_ | Brigo: I can check in about 10min or so |
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| 09:16.57 | wallbroken | i have some problem with "network manager" on docky |
| 09:17.05 | wallbroken | i enabled the docklet |
| 09:17.13 | wallbroken | but it does not appear on docky |
| 09:17.26 | wallbroken | do i need some extra component? |
| 09:17.49 | themill | bumbar_: yes, you can use usermod to change the primary group or supplementary groups of a user |
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| 09:19.57 | knivsta | why am I getting kickeD? |
| 09:20.00 | knivsta | heh |
| 09:20.28 | break3r | flooding. it's in kick description |
| 09:20.36 | rozie | 11:12 -!- knivsta was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.] |
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| 09:21.34 | rozie | OTOH I see that it was triggered after 4 lines (exactly). I was sure that 4 lines are OK |
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| 09:22.06 | themill | No, 4 lines are exactly not OK. |
| 09:22.13 | bumbar_ | themill, i would like the user to have access (to upload) files to /var/www. i've added that user www-data group, but /var/www is owned by root. should i change to /var/www to www-data, or is there another (better) way? |
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| 09:22.27 | _0x5eb_ | Peakaboo, please send your questions on the channel, not in private |
| 09:22.35 | knivsta | Does anyone know a place where we can buy paid Debian GNU/linux with support? |
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| 09:23.48 | themill | bumbar_: you can feel free to change the modes of /var/www although there should be no need to have www-data have write access to it -- that's for the httpd itself. You might like to make a different group that has those permissions |
| 09:24.23 | rozie | knivsta: there's no such thing AFAIK. but you can hire administrator (or company providing administrators) |
| 09:24.54 | knivsta | rozie, Ok, I am ready to get hired but they all are my friends and they won't pay me |
| 09:25.13 | knivsta | they all are Windows switchers and are in love with Debian GNU/Linix |
| 09:25.19 | rozie | knivsta: you want buy or sell? |
| 09:25.21 | rozie | ;) |
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| 09:28.59 | markybob | knivsta, no one here is going to hire you, if that's what you're looking for. |
| 09:29.16 | bumbar_ | themill, i've changed group flags for a dir inside /var/www, and now that user can create files/directories. many thanks for assistance |
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| 09:35.39 | knivsta | markybob, lol no I am looking for paid support for Debian for my friends so that they totally move from Debian |
| 09:36.36 | markybob | knivsta, "move from debian"? you're in the wrong place |
| 09:37.41 | knivsta | markybob, I mean totally switch from Windows 8 to Debian |
| 09:37.42 | knivsta | my bad |
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| 09:41.34 | ChrisH | knivsta: where do you life? |
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| 09:46.21 | tmp__ | Brigo: I'm not sure if I found anything, I always get something to the extent of RF_KILL bit toggled to disable radio, here's a paste http://pastebin.com/DdXaDJYC |
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| 09:50.22 | knivsta | ChrisH, Brazil |
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| 10:18.12 | wallbroken | i have some problem with "network manager" on docky |
| 10:18.20 | wallbroken | can anybody help me? |
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| 10:23.49 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell wallbroken about smart questions |
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| 10:24.29 | wallbroken | ChrisH, i already have done the complete question |
| 10:24.54 | wallbroken | [11:16] <wallbroken> i have some problem with "network manager" on docky, i enabled the docklet but it does not appear on docky, do i need some extra component? |
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| 10:27.42 | ChrisH | wallbroken: I did not see that... Sorry and no idea. but what is docky? |
| 10:28.14 | wallbroken | is a launchbar like on macosx |
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| 10:33.30 | lesta | /close |
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| 10:41.17 | darxmurf | anybody got USB3 issues ? |
| 10:41.51 | darxmurf | after a few minutes of rsync, I get errors in dmesg and the transfer fail |
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| 10:46.33 | ChrisH | darxmurf: I had lots of issues with USB and storage under Linux in the past. I personally do not expect this to improve with USB3.... |
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| 10:48.01 | ezra-s | darxmurf: are you using a usb key to sync or what exactly? it may depend on failures in the device you are using rather than being "usb3" |
| 10:48.05 | Walex | ChrisH: USB3 is a bit better. Most USB/USB2 products have terrible, terrible firmware. |
| 10:48.39 | Walex | ChrisH: the terrible, terrible firmware also happened with most Firewire products too. except usually those with chips by OxSemi |
| 10:49.35 | Walex | darxmurf: most USB3 products are a bit more reliable than USB2. Usual cause of USB issues liek the one you vaguely report is insufficient power |
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| 10:50.50 | ChrisH | Walex: my external Diskcases had Firewire and USB and with Firewire the worked like a charm. |
| 10:50.52 | Walex | darxmurf: the "after a few minutes of rsync" may mean that as the device gets going it draws more power, voltage drops and fails |
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| 10:51.09 | darxmurf | I'm using a USB3 docking station with a HDD plugged in |
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| 10:51.15 | darxmurf | it was fine few months ago |
| 10:51.26 | Walex | ChrisH: then you chose cases with OxSemi chipsets most likely |
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| 10:51.36 | darxmurf | it's quite ok for a while and then it crash |
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| 10:51.52 | Walex | darxmurf: does the external docking status have its own power supply? Is it a good power suppply? |
| 10:51.52 | darxmurf | [ 3882.251829] usb 2-1: reset SuperSpeed USB device number 2 using xhci_hcd |
| 10:52.00 | darxmurf | external power |
| 10:52.10 | darxmurf | it's a good one yep |
| 10:52.26 | Walex | darxmurf: it needs at least 2A if it is a 3.5in disk of some capacity... |
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| 10:52.48 | darxmurf | http://pastebin.com/q0hdBVN6 |
| 10:52.58 | darxmurf | using a USB2 port it's fine |
| 10:53.00 | darxmurf | but slow :D |
| 10:53.07 | Walex | darxmurf: anyhow I much, much prefer eSATA docks because SATA connections are far better tested and thus reliable than almost anything else. |
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| 10:53.16 | darxmurf | it's a 2A power supply |
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| 10:53.25 | Walex | darxmurf: 2A should be good enough then. |
| 10:53.52 | Walex | darxmurf: the next most likely problem is firmware bugs in either the motherboard or the dock chipset unfortunately. |
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| 10:54.42 | Walex | another issue with USB of all stripes is that USB mass storage error reporting and recovery is a basically broken/incomplete protocol. |
| 10:55.38 | Walex | BTW recently I tested by cheap Corsair USB3 stick and it could do 170MB/s reading, which is impressive |
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| 10:56.55 | darxmurf | I had no issue with my 2 USB keys "supertalent" |
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| 10:57.05 | darxmurf | but it's probably a problem with this docking |
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| 10:57.16 | darxmurf | but it was fine before :-/ |
| 10:57.16 | ChrisH | ,v kernel |
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| 10:57.17 | judd | No package named 'kernel' was found in amd64. |
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| 10:57.20 | ChrisH | ,v kernel-image |
| 10:57.21 | judd | No package named 'kernel-image' was found in amd64. |
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| 10:57.34 | darxmurf | I tried another one few months ago it was a disaster |
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| 10:58.02 | darxmurf | I'll put a sata cable and a power plug outside my workstation and plug it directly |
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| 11:00.36 | darxmurf | hmmm there is 2 new BIOS version, I'll check that |
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| 11:03.38 | darxmurf | hmm as usual a .exe file |
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| 11:07.36 | darxmurf | let's play |
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| 11:14.36 | koowgnojeel | Do you know how to get ping result ? I see nothing when I do, ping www.google.com |
| 11:16.47 | Haxxa | Can anyone convince me to go on unstable for a laptop - I can generally wriggle my way around linux and fix problems deal with bugs etc. but the word unstable makes me feel like debian will crash daily - should I make the move? |
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| 11:18.17 | aborrero | Haxxa: perhaps try playing testing for a bit, and then think later about switching to unstable |
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| 11:19.05 | aborrero | koowgnojeel: maybe the FQDN can't be resolved, i.e, you have no working DNS |
| 11:19.34 | Haxxa | aborrero, what do you run? |
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| 11:19.58 | aborrero | Haxxa: testing in all my personal machines, stable in servers... unstable in a devel machine |
| 11:20.42 | Haxxa | aborrero,I run stable on servers and considering same for laptops... I really need gnome 3.16 for hidipi support on laptop |
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| 11:20.57 | darxmurf | hi back |
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| 11:21.31 | aborrero | Haxxa: then I would recommend testing :-) I guess it's the ideal tradeoff for you |
| 11:21.54 | koowgnojeel | aborrero: I did, # wpa_supplicant SSID PASSWORD >> /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf # dhclient -v wlan0, produced No DHCPOffers received. |
| 11:22.10 | koowgnojeel | aborrero: :) |
| 11:22.38 | aborrero | koowgnojeel: that is, I think you should fix your network :/ |
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| 11:22.53 | aborrero | or your wifi configuration |
| 11:23.32 | darxmurf | okay... not better with the new BIOS |
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| 11:23.54 | darxmurf | which package is it to submit a bug report for USB3 issues ? |
| 11:24.21 | koowgnojeel | aborrero: What do you mean I have no working DNS ? I'm using internet. (?) |
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| 11:24.37 | koowgnojeel | aborrero: But ping, I can't. |
| 11:24.50 | aborrero | koowgnojeel: try "ping 8.8.8.8" |
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| 11:25.26 | koowgnojeel | aborrero: I'm a home user, not a professional user, sorry about bad knowledges. - same result. |
| 11:26.23 | koowgnojeel | I'm using Jessie, 8, Mate. |
| 11:27.21 | koowgnojeel | aborrero: I gotta go. Thanks :) |
| 11:27.24 | aborrero | koowgnojeel: I guess you are not connected to the wifi. If you are using Mate, try using the networking menu rather than the command line |
| 11:27.49 | koowgnojeel | I'm running two Debian. :) One with Mate one with standard. |
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| 11:28.03 | koowgnojeel | aborrero: Sorry, I'll catch you later. @_@ Thanks. |
| 11:28.07 | aborrero | bye |
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| 11:31.55 | BCMM | how does one get update notifications now, with an LXDE desktop? |
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| 11:32.32 | BCMM | seems like update-notifier is gone in jessie |
| 11:32.32 | Tal__ | hi |
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| 11:36.07 | Tal__ | I'm using gnome in debian jessie. Is there any shortcut to close all nautilus windows? I remember that ctrl+q did this but currently just close the current windows |
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| 11:41.54 | BCMM | there seems to be update-notifier in wheezy, and pk-update-icon in sid, but nothing in jessie |
| 11:42.32 | BCMM | is there really no way to get updates other than manually running synaptic from time to time? can i use KDE's thing without running plasma? |
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| 11:47.07 | brandnew | ||||| >>>>> WHAT IS YOUR DOMAIN NAME WORTH? Vist >>> www.VALBOT.com <<< FREE DOMAIN VALUATION! or Google >>> VALBOT.com <<< ||||| |
| 11:47.24 | jwd | silly advertising |
| 11:47.33 | darxmurf | kick it baby |
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| 11:47.58 | darxmurf | and what a shitty domain name :D |
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| 11:47.59 | brandnew | ||||| >>>>> WHAT IS YOUR DOMAIN NAME WORTH? Vist >>> www.VALBOT.com <<< FREE DOMAIN VALUATION! or Google >>> VALBOT.com <<< ||||| |
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| 11:48.24 | jwd | kicks "brandnew" in a spot that hurts |
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| 11:48.49 | madmattco | lol |
| 11:49.05 | darxmurf | that's sad |
| 11:49.06 | jwd | +1 |
| 11:49.10 | darxmurf | :D |
| 11:49.18 | ikus060 | I'm trying to change my password using the UI in gnome-settings. The interface refuse to change it ?! It says: Try changing the password a bit more. Why is it refusing to change my password ?? |
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| 11:49.33 | somiaj | BCMM: it is still there, but it is now called gnome-update-notifier or something like that |
| 11:49.36 | jwd | to simple or to short? |
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| 11:50.35 | BCMM | somiaj: gnome-packagekit actually, but it doesn't seem to be working at least on lxde |
| 11:50.50 | vamps | ikus060: your password is too similar compare to the old one |
| 11:51.01 | somiaj | BCMM: yea I'm unsure how it works outside of gnome. But it is just a script, maybe you can modify it to work in lxde. |
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| 11:51.12 | BCMM | somiaj: where does the script live? |
| 11:51.36 | jelly | ikus060: does the same thing happen if you try to change it using "passwd" command in a terminal? |
| 11:51.57 | BCMM | somiaj: /usr/bin/gpk-update-viewer seems to work fine, but i'm not sure what to run to get a tray icon notification |
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| 11:52.09 | BCMM | didn't gnome deprecate tray icons entirely? |
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| 11:52.42 | ikus060 | jelly: nope, I can change my password with passwd... my point it why if the UI is forcing me to have a strong password. I don't want to! |
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| 11:54.47 | jelly | ikus060: it's unusual, the same policy should be in effect in both places |
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| 11:56.46 | somiaj | BCMM: yea I don't know how tray notifications work, I just know the updater is a python script. (: |
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| 13:20.42 | Lope | howcome when I want to remove `apt-get remove --purge libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common` it wants to install `libfontenc1 libice6 libsm6 libutempter0 libxaw7 libxmu6 libxt6 libxtst6 libxxf86dga1 python-urwid wicd-curses x11-common x11-utils xbitmaps xterm` |
| 13:20.48 | Lope | (raspbian) |
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| 13:24.57 | mike112 | !raspbian |
| 13:24.57 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 13:25.15 | mike112 | Lope: ^^^ |
| 13:25.20 | woffs | Lope: maybe "apt-cache rdepends --installed libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common" tells you something more |
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| 13:26.36 | Lope | woffs: I seem to have resolved it by just adding all the packages it wanted to install to my remove commandline |
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| 13:28.33 | Pymous | Hello ! |
| 13:28.54 | Pymous | I'm having a "small" issue, when I do ifconfig, my eth0 isn't showing, but he does with ifconfig -a |
| 13:29.00 | Pymous | What could I do/check to fix it ? |
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| 13:29.36 | gefdecue | I want to install the previous version of chrome. where is the .deb stored? |
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| 13:31.37 | Lope | /var/cache/apt/archives/ possibly. |
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| 13:33.19 | SynrG | !snapshots |
| 13:33.19 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 13:34.09 | themill | of course chrome won't be in snapshots |
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| 13:34.47 | gefdecue | Lope: worked. thanks |
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| 13:36.45 | SynrG | Ah chrome. I read that as chromium. mistake |
| 13:36.54 | SynrG | My* mistake |
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| 13:41.24 | themill | !coffee SynrG |
| 13:41.25 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of organic, fair trade International Roast Caterers Blend for SynrG, courtesy of themill |
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| 13:42.58 | SynrG | Plenty of coffee. I just tend to see things that make sense in place of things that don't. Natural human tendency, I think. |
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| 13:50.14 | julius_ | hi |
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| 13:51.23 | julius_ | got some problems getting davical running in jessie, according to the davical wiki one is supposed to run: su postgres -c /usr/share/davical/dba/create-database.sh but i get errors as the user root or the user postgres: http://pastebin.ca/3126428 |
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| 13:51.26 | julius_ | so what do i do? |
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| 13:53.18 | julius_ | ive added local davical davical_app trust local davical davical_dba trust to /etc/postgresql/9.4/main/pg_hba.conf and restarted the server |
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| 13:55.16 | SynrG | According to README.Debian that should work ... |
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| 13:55.49 | SynrG | But i did my davical setup under wheezy and later upgraded. Dunno |
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| 13:56.42 | Pymous | My eth0 is getting my IPv6, but not my IPv4 static anymore, and route -n return nothing |
| 13:56.49 | Pymous | Someone has an idea of what's going on ? |
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| 14:00.53 | julius_ | SynrG, thx |
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| 14:09.56 | shay_shay | Pymous: you should know "ifconfig" is depreciated and obsoleted by "ip" |
| 14:10.21 | jeddi | deprecated. |
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| 14:11.04 | jeddi | though after 20 years of using ifconfig .. it's hard to let it go :) |
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| 14:11.25 | shay_shay | :) |
| 14:11.27 | jeddi | plus most useful stuff can be done with ifup and ifdown |
| 14:11.32 | jeddi | for small values of 'most'. :) |
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| 14:19.28 | mayui | :) |
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| 14:20.54 | shay_shay | noticed the person asking the question quietly exited |
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| 14:21.25 | shay_shay | figuratively, not literally |
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| 14:28.13 | julius_ | i bet somewhere in the world was a guy who thought it would be a good idea to write something like mysql, but complicate the administration and then he told somebody to fuck up the debian integration...sons of bitched |
| 14:28.13 | julius_ | s |
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| 14:33.28 | somiaj | jeddi: ifup/ifdown haven't used ifconfig for a long time, they use ip |
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| 14:44.25 | at0m|c | julius_: afaik, wordpress with its hardcoded mysql dependancy is the only reason mysql is still in debian |
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| 14:45.50 | jelly | at0m|c: that's just silly to say, also we do have mariadb now |
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| 14:47.30 | at0m|c | jelly: oops, wp does mariadb indeed |
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| 14:48.31 | markybob | wp doesn't do jack. maria is a drop-in-replacement |
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| 14:49.53 | socomm | at0m|c: mariadb is a drop in replacement for mysql. |
| 14:50.10 | socomm | Why am I . . . |
| 14:50.19 | at0m|c | socomm: didn't know. will have to read up, thanks. |
| 14:50.22 | Delf | webboot doesn't use https? |
| 14:50.40 | markybob | socomm, because your parents loved each other very much? |
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| 14:54.14 | lroe | I just upgrade from wheezy to jessie. I have noticed that resizing my terminal windows in XFCE is very choppy now. Has anyone else seen this? |
| 14:54.14 | jelly | socomm: perhaps you're a drop-in replacement for markybob |
| 14:54.20 | markybob | haha |
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| 14:56.01 | dfsfgfdshsdfg | does someone have a link to a detailed explanation of the OSI layer model? the longest i found myself are at most 5 printed pages. I need more detailed stuff. |
| 14:56.28 | greycat | How much is there to say about it? |
| 14:56.47 | mtn | lroe, need a different video driver? |
| 14:56.49 | dfsfgfdshsdfg | i have no idea, thats why i'm asking |
| 14:57.00 | socomm | lroe: Sounds like an issue with your video drivers or XFCE itself. |
| 14:57.08 | lroe | glxgears works great |
| 14:57.10 | greycat | It's an arbitrary categorization. |
| 14:57.37 | jelly | dfsfgfdshsdfg: maybe the actual standard ISO/IEC 7498-1 has more |
| 14:57.40 | lroe | it seems like the terminal is now buffered. when I make the window larger it redraws all the text to wrap properly with the now wider window, this is a new feature |
| 14:57.41 | socomm | dfsfgfdshsdfg: Unrelated to Debian. Try on ##networking. |
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| 14:58.13 | dfsfgfdshsdfg | will do, probably |
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| 14:58.40 | socomm | I love new "features". |
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| 14:59.19 | lroe | It's a nice features OS X has had this for years, but it is just a bit choppy |
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| 15:00.53 | RLa | installed mail onto jessie but postfix refuses to put mail into Maildir |
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| 15:01.04 | jelly | lroe: having the compositor enabled in xfce can make some redrawing some apps very visible |
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| 15:01.27 | jelly | RLa: refuses? |
| 15:01.37 | greycat | You probably have to tell it. |
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| 15:01.52 | RLa | already told it |
| 15:01.54 | socomm | Have you tried the 'prettyplease' command? |
| 15:01.55 | greycat | I don't know postfix, but in qmail you tell it by appending a trailing / to the destination. |
| 15:02.01 | jelly | RLa: what does "postconf home_mailbox" say? |
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| 15:02.20 | RLa | home_mailbox = Maildir/ |
| 15:02.34 | RLa | mails go into /var/spool/mail |
| 15:02.48 | jelly | RLa: that is promising. Now you "merely" have to verify you're using the "local" LDA and not something else |
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| 15:03.13 | RLa | how do i do that? |
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| 15:03.43 | jelly | RLa: pastebin the output of "postconf -n" and a couple lines from /var/log/mail.log relevant for delivery of a single message for a local user |
| 15:04.18 | Delf | Is it possible to pxe boot the webboot? |
| 15:05.21 | RLa | jelly, https://gist.github.com/rla/ec30ff7e3d11e4a96b74 |
| 15:06.54 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.02 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:07.15 | RLa | so procmail handles it? |
| 15:07.26 | relipse | * Topic for ##java is: Welcome! || Read http://javachannel.org/ before participating. || Paste limit is two lines; ~pastebin lists options. || No applets, please. || Minecraft, Android, and Javascript all have their own channel. || You are being logged. |
| 15:07.26 | relipse | * Topic for ##java set by ojacobson!~owen@nj1.grimoire.ca (Fri May 29 14:24:09 2015) |
| 15:07.26 | relipse | -ChanServ- [##java] Please read the topic for basic channel guidelines. Thanks. |
| 15:07.26 | relipse | <relipse> How do I get javac on my debian box? |
| 15:07.27 | *** kick/#debian [relipse!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.) |
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| 15:07.35 | relipse | sorry |
| 15:07.42 | RLa | i have no ~/.procmail file |
| 15:07.44 | relipse | How do I get javac on my debian box |
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| 15:07.49 | relipse | Hey rLA |
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| 15:07.52 | greycat | I don't know how to tell it not to use procmail, but that's what I picked up from your log. |
| 15:07.52 | jelly | RLa: Debian's postfix packaging stupidly sets mailbox_command when procmail is installed |
| 15:07.53 | RLa | hey |
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| 15:08.09 | RLa | jelly, i should remove it? |
| 15:08.12 | RLa | will try |
| 15:08.24 | jelly | RLa: or comment it out, and restart the service. yes. |
| 15:08.41 | jelly | RLa: it's in /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 15:08.45 | greycat | I'd go for a config change rather than removing procmail and hoping it never gets reinstalled in the future. |
| 15:09.03 | greycat | otherwise, a couple years from now, this will start all over again |
| 15:09.04 | Night_Elf | I want to try something else besides gnome3 in a fresh installtion. Am undecided between XFCE and LXDE. Any sugestions? Which one do you feel is going to need less tinkering with its internals and is more 'just click and go'? |
| 15:09.13 | jelly | I thought they meant "remove" as in "remove the mailbox_command customized setting" |
| 15:09.57 | greycat | Night_Elf: ultimately you'll have to try both and decide |
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| 15:10.20 | macondo | Night_Elf, have you tried IceWM? |
| 15:10.35 | markybob | Night_Elf, lxde kind of makes me want to shoot myself in the face. i use xfce... |
| 15:10.56 | markybob | Night_Elf, but yeah, just try them. there are live cds |
| 15:10.56 | Night_Elf | greycat: Yes definitely. I will have them all actually, as well as what I have used so far, the gnome3. But I was curious to know what you people here feel about this. |
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| 15:11.31 | Night_Elf | macondo: No I haven't. That's interesting. |
| 15:11.58 | RLa | jelly, thanks, it fixed it! |
| 15:12.06 | macondo | Night_Elf, it's fast |
| 15:12.08 | jelly | !win RLa |
| 15:12.08 | dpkg | Congratulations, RLa! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 15:12.37 | relipse | then how do i allow my apt-get to get from unstable sources? |
| 15:12.43 | Night_Elf | markybob: I'll just install them all and no need for a livecd. I don't fear multi-DE setups. Just wanted to know how do you all feel about them. So that lxde thought was interesting. |
| 15:12.44 | greycat | Don't. |
| 15:12.59 | greycat | relipse: either use backports, or just install Java from upstream (Oracle) |
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| 15:14.00 | macondo | anybody tried kernel 4.1 on debian 8 |
| 15:14.05 | Guest53058 | Hi geeks and freaks what is the best text editor for debian? |
| 15:14.09 | greycat | !best |
| 15:14.10 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 15:14.14 | socomm | macondo: Someone somewhere has. |
| 15:14.16 | Guest53058 | Inside virtual box other than vim' |
| 15:14.24 | greycat | Use whatever you want. |
| 15:14.51 | shay_shay | Guest53058: but vim is the best text editor :O ... how about gvim? |
| 15:14.52 | Guest53058 | greycat: I heard you are most experienced and most trusted IRC guy can you please suggest me your favo |
| 15:14.52 | socomm | Guest53058: I like edit.exe, but that's jsut me. |
| 15:14.59 | Night_Elf | Guest45592: Try nano as well. |
| 15:15.00 | greycat | Guest53058: I use vim |
| 15:15.08 | Night_Elf | oops... many guests out there. |
| 15:15.13 | macondo | socomm, if i installed do i get an option to use in the grub menu? |
| 15:15.16 | relipse | greycat, how do I install java via backport or from oracle? |
| 15:15.22 | Guest53058 | Ok vim is best then as every professional use it :-( |
| 15:15.25 | greycat | relipse: /msg dpkg backports |
| 15:15.36 | socomm | macondo: Try? |
| 15:15.36 | greycat | relipse: if you decide to install from Oracle, you just go to their web site and click things until it works |
| 15:15.44 | macondo | ok |
| 15:15.57 | socomm | Guest53058: You have all the trappings of a troll. |
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| 15:16.17 | greycat | Guest53058: There is no "best". There is only personal preference. |
| 15:16.18 | Guest53058 | wait greycat you use vim for java too? I hate eclipse thats why |
| 15:16.21 | markybob | relipse, this is a check yourself before you reck yourself moment |
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| 15:16.27 | greycat | Guest53058: I do not program Java |
| 15:16.33 | Guest53058 | socomm: why? |
| 15:16.54 | Guest53058 | socomm: why do you feel i am a troll? |
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| 15:17.13 | markybob | Guest53058, having "guest" in your name doesn't help |
| 15:17.15 | relipse | markybob, why? |
| 15:17.17 | shay_shay | Guest53058: if you want to use vim as an IDE I think you will like it, but check out this book "Learn Vimscript the hard way" (Google it) |
| 15:17.42 | Guest53058 | Thanks shay_shay |
| 15:17.54 | Guest53058 | markybob: What do you mean?? |
| 15:17.59 | socomm | Going from eclipse to Vim as an IDE is like going from a self-driving car to stick shift. |
| 15:18.01 | socomm | Good luck. |
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| 15:18.19 | shay_shay | socomm: put hair on your chest :D |
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| 15:18.34 | socomm | shay_shay: I already drive stick. |
| 15:18.49 | nonGuest | socomm: I never used eclipse before |
| 15:18.56 | nonGuest | I never used vim either |
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| 15:19.22 | greycat | nonGuest: Why did you tell me you hate eclipse and then tell socomm you've never used it? |
| 15:19.58 | jelly | preemptive hate isn't the best way to pick technological solutions |
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| 15:20.05 | shay_shay | maybe it was a figurative hate |
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| 15:21.41 | relipse | Does this mean my box is 64 bit: Linux cworklog 3.18.5-x86_64-linode52 #1 SMP Thu Feb 5 12:18:36 EST 2015 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:21.52 | greycat | It means your kernel is. |
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| 15:23.14 | RoyK | relipse: it also means your cpu is 64bit, since a 32bit machine wouldn't run that |
| 15:23.29 | relipse | How do I download java on my box, i tried wget http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/8u60-b27/jdk-8u60-linux-x64.tar.gz and it didn't work |
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| 15:23.44 | greycat | If you're asking "should I download the 32-bit binary package or the 64-bit binary package", I prefer to use "file /bin/ls" to see whether I have installed the 32-bit or 64-bit userspace. That's far more important. |
| 15:23.45 | markybob | i'm sure it downloaded fine |
| 15:23.49 | RoyK | relipse: normally openjdk should work |
| 15:24.17 | RoyK | relipse: what do you need java for? |
| 15:24.26 | jelly | relipse: Oracle wants you to click you accept their license, requiring a javascript-capable browser |
| 15:24.26 | relipse | i want to code in java |
| 15:24.30 | relipse | and use javac |
| 15:24.52 | relipse | i dont have a web browser other than lynx |
| 15:24.57 | jelly | relipse: is there a specific reason you need Oracle's build of JDK, though? |
| 15:25.19 | relipse | I don't know i'm trying to find javac and i used find / -name javac and that didn't yeild anything |
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| 15:25.23 | markybob | what? you want java...but you dont use anyting other than lynx? |
| 15:25.26 | greycat | Trying to develop java without X sounds like an extremely masochistic endeavor to me. |
| 15:25.27 | jelly | !install jdk |
| 15:25.32 | jelly | !install java |
| 15:25.32 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install the icedtea-plugin package. For other Java programs, install the default-jre package to get the default or manually select one of openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre yourself. The old <sun-java6> packages are best avoided as Oracle now forbids Debian providing any security updates to them. See also <java alternatives>. |
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| 15:25.51 | relipse | i don't want a web browser plugin, i want javac so I can code a hello world program |
| 15:25.52 | jelly | relipse: install openjdk-7-jdk to gain javac command. |
| 15:26.13 | RoyK | relipse: then don't install the plugin - just openjdk-something-jre |
| 15:26.24 | greycat | He was asking about installing unstable packages earlier, but I think I succesfully steered him away from THAT mistake. |
| 15:26.24 | relipse | E: Unable to locate package openjdk-7-jdk |
| 15:26.37 | jelly | relipse: which debian release are you using? |
| 15:26.42 | RoyK | relipse: apt-cache search openjdk |
| 15:26.43 | jelly | judd: v openjdk-7-jdk |
| 15:26.44 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jdk on amd64 -- wheezy: 7u3-2.1.7-1; jessie: 7u75-2.5.4-2; stretch: 7u75-2.5.4-2; wheezy-security: 7u79-2.5.6-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 7u79-2.5.6-1~deb8u1; sid: 7u79-2.5.6-1 |
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| 15:27.04 | relipse | i'm on squeeze |
| 15:27.05 | markybob | relipse, learn how to use apt-cache search |
| 15:27.19 | jelly | relipse: squeeze is two releases behind. |
| 15:27.25 | greycat | relipse: Are you unable to upgade to wheezy for any specific reason? |
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| 15:27.54 | zanzarel | may someone help me with saned on Debian Jessie? It starts but it fails to bind on IPv4 (listens on IPv6 only), avahi is enabled and the daemon is running... scanimage cannot find the scanner from any other host |
| 15:28.00 | relipse | greycat: I have a web server that is running ok, I don't want to lose it from upgrading |
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| 15:29.01 | greycat | Maybe you should do your Java development on your local desktop machine instead of on a co-located web server that you're afraid to upgrade. |
| 15:29.24 | relipse | I guess that's possible |
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| 15:30.36 | boubou | hey all, I updated my debian jessie to the latest testing AND when I do reboot or shutdown, I dont see a shutdown brocast banner |
| 15:30.42 | boubou | I bet its a bug |
| 15:30.49 | boubou | console or ssh. |
| 15:31.10 | greycat | If actually shuts down, that's better than jessie can manage! :-/ |
| 15:31.35 | Night_Elf | boubou: It could be that systemd again, messing with the system. <hides> |
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| 15:31.57 | voidstar | for developing java I don't see a reason to use packages in the repos. download it straight from oracle make a /opt/java and update-alternatives |
| 15:32.24 | boubou | Night_Elf do u know a way to fix it ? |
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| 15:32.43 | boubou | should I report it ? |
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| 15:34.50 | markybob | boubou, don't bother. everyone knows systemd is currently broken |
| 15:35.09 | greycat | Well, it has bugs, but if you've already upgraded you're kinda stuck with them. |
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| 15:36.22 | Night_Elf | boubou: I don't think so. Here there are people who can know a lot more about this and really tell you if it is a bug or not. Moreover, I just downloaded my first image of debian8 ever and will perform my very first install od it later on. So far I have always used debian7, but I am curious to see what the heck is this systemd thing anyway. |
| 15:36.26 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 15:36.26 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 15:36.35 | jelly | boubou: ^^ the right place to ask about testing |
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| 15:36.56 | Night_Elf | boubou: Most probably I'll go back to debian7 in horror, but am willing to give 8 the luxury of doubt. |
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| 15:38.00 | jelly | Night_Elf: let's not conflate issues in testing with the released debian 8 |
| 15:39.12 | wallbroken | how to enable network manager? |
| 15:39.17 | wallbroken | i installed it |
| 15:39.33 | boubou | [11:39:20] #debian-next unable to join channel (invite only) |
| 15:39.34 | Night_Elf | jelly: Actually I always meant the stable release. But names sometimes confuse me thus I use the number equivalents. |
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| 15:40.42 | greycat | I'm not planning any more jessie upgrades until someone fixes http://bugs.debian.org/788303 |
| 15:40.43 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/788303 in systemd (open): «systemd: Hangs indefinitely on >90% of reboot attempts»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-06-10; last modified: 2015-08-12. |
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| 15:43.55 | jelly | greycat: that doesn't happen for everyone (and I have no idea why it wfm) |
| 15:44.16 | greycat | It only happens on one of my machines, and not on others. So, yes, very mysterious. |
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| 15:46.09 | jelly | my VMs with jessie are running on sysvinit, they boot quickly and important services are daemontools-managed anyway |
| 15:46.09 | shay_shay | I have shutdown or reboot fail on occasion (not sure if it's only reboot) |
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| 15:47.25 | greycat | I included my manual workaround in the bug report, but I can't promise it'll work for you. |
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| 15:49.48 | knivsta | guys is Clamav broken for you too? |
| 15:49.50 | karlpinc` | greycat: The work around being the swapoff? |
| 15:49.52 | knivsta | I just installed Clamav |
| 15:49.55 | knivsta | and freshclam |
| 15:49.59 | knivsta | and it gave me an error |
| 15:49.59 | jelly | knivsta: broken how? |
| 15:50.17 | greycat | karlpinc`: yes |
| 15:50.18 | knivsta | jelly, freshclam |
| 15:50.19 | knivsta | ERROR: /var/log/clamav/freshclam.log is locked by another process |
| 15:50.19 | knivsta | ERROR: Problem with internal logger (UpdateLogFile = /var/log/clamav/freshclam.log). |
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| 15:51.02 | jelly | wfm |
| 15:51.08 | knivsta | ok |
| 15:51.09 | jelly | knivsta: which debian release? |
| 15:51.13 | knivsta | Jessie |
| 15:51.20 | jelly | ,v clamav-freshclam |
| 15:51.21 | judd | Package: clamav-freshclam on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.98.1+dfsg-1+deb6u3; wheezy: 0.98.5+dfsg-0+deb7u2; squeeze-security-lts: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb6u2; wheezy-updates: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb7u1; jessie-updates: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: 0.98.7+dfsg-2; stretch: 0.98.7+dfsg-2 |
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| 15:52.08 | jelly | knivsta: did you try to run freshclam manually? |
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| 15:54.44 | jelly | knivsta: because if you configured it to run as daemon, then that's what it's going to do and there will be a freshclam running as service after the installation |
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| 15:56.26 | knivsta | jelly, yep? |
| 15:56.44 | knivsta | jelly, I just install clamav not the daemon |
| 15:56.57 | karlpinc` | jelly: I've gone ahead and migrated to systemd just because I get the feeling that resistance is futile.... |
| 15:57.06 | jelly | knivsta: but clamav-freshclam defaults to running as service. |
| 15:57.38 | knivsta | jelly, my question is how do I update now? Freshclam don't work? |
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| 15:58.03 | jelly | knivsta: it's going to update soon on its own. Look at the log. |
| 15:58.25 | knivsta | jelly, no but I am updating the definition and all w hich usually takes a lot of time |
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| 15:58.53 | jelly | knivsta: yes, it takes a couple minutes the first time |
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| 15:59.19 | knivsta | then why is it not updating the definitions? I do't know why thanks for help |
| 15:59.20 | jelly | knivsta: and the clamav-freshclam service should be doing it on its own |
| 15:59.32 | jelly | knivsta: what does its log say? |
| 15:59.55 | knivsta | jelly, it says update process terminated |
| 16:00.04 | jelly | is that all? |
| 16:00.37 | knivsta | ClamAV update process started at & update process terminated |
| 16:00.46 | knivsta | just these two lines |
| 16:00.55 | knivsta | with time stamps |
| 16:01.12 | jelly | that's interesting. Try to restart the service. |
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| 16:01.32 | knivsta | jelly, ma'am I did not install the service but it does say daemon in top line |
| 16:02.01 | knivsta | jelly, aptitude install clamav |
| 16:02.04 | knivsta | I type this only |
| 16:02.21 | jelly | knivsta: we're talking about clamav-freshclam the whole time. |
| 16:02.36 | jelly | restart _that_ service, clamav-freshclam |
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| 16:03.24 | knivsta | jelly, it seems like it is working now |
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| 16:03.30 | knivsta | Downloading main.cvd |
| 16:03.43 | knivsta | jelly, I swear I did not do nothing just purged and reinstralled |
| 16:04.20 | jelly | eh, who knows what happened there |
| 16:04.28 | knivsta | Aliens? |
| 16:04.31 | knivsta | lol I kid |
| 16:04.38 | knivsta | but I swear I did not do anything else |
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| 16:06.06 | karlpinc | knivsta: Well, then. Obviously a virus. ;-) |
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| 16:06.36 | Lope | what units is resize2fs -P /dev/sdXy in? (print min size possible for data in filesystem) |
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| 16:08.39 | jelly | Lope: likely to be blocks (4KiB). Also note shrinking can be _very_ slow. |
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| 16:09.02 | Lope | why are blocks 4KiB? and not 512B? |
| 16:09.03 | pandark | hi |
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| 16:09.19 | Lope | Does block size change depending on the device and so on? |
| 16:09.20 | greycat | because disks got bigger |
| 16:09.23 | jelly | Lope: because designers of ext2, ext3, ext4 chose so |
| 16:09.31 | Lope | Ok |
| 16:09.47 | knivsta | karlpinc, how do I know? |
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| 16:09.57 | jelly | also it corresponds to 80386 CPU page size making some things easier |
| 16:10.09 | pandark | after a fresh installation of debian stretch with kde kde deosnt lunch properly |
| 16:10.18 | pandark | juste mouse cusror |
| 16:10.25 | pandark | black screen |
| 16:10.34 | karlpinc | knivsta: Just kidding. But by definition, if you're rooted your system can't be trusted at all. You could boot from a cd and run debsums. |
| 16:10.40 | jelly | pandark: testing may be broken at present time. |
| 16:10.53 | pandark | yes jelly ? |
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| 16:10.57 | jelly | dpkg, tell pandark about debian-next |
| 16:11.00 | jelly | dpkg, tell pandark about testing |
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| 16:11.14 | jelly | pandark: that's why it's TESTING not PRODUCTING |
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| 16:11.28 | pandark | yes i know ^^ |
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| 16:12.44 | pandark | invitation required for #debian-testing |
| 16:13.04 | pandark | invitation required for #debian-next* |
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| 16:13.15 | jelly | pandark: it's on irc.oftc.net not freenode. |
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| 16:13.44 | pandark | oh ok sorry |
| 16:13.55 | jelly | don't worry, noone reads that part |
| 16:14.00 | jelly | :-( |
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| 16:17.28 | wallbroken | how to enable network manager? |
| 16:17.33 | knivsta | karlpinc, for what all packages? |
| 16:17.41 | knivsta | or does debsums does it for all automatically? |
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| 16:18.28 | knivsta | wow it is a such a good package |
| 16:18.31 | knivsta | just got details |
| 16:18.33 | greycat | dpkg, debian-next =~ s/net)/net), *not* on Freenode/ |
| 16:18.34 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 16:18.56 | greycat | They still won't read it, but now they have to not-read it twice. |
| 16:19.28 | jelly | Lope: but to be safe, you can look at the block size reported by "dumpe2fs -h /dev/sdXy" |
| 16:20.16 | knivsta | karlpinc, debsums says OK OK OK for a lot of things when would it finish? |
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| 16:20.32 | jelly | greycat: cue confused oftc users coming to freenode looking for -next |
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| 16:23.11 | knivsta | jelly, is sudo (user) for safe or using root with strong password for admin stuff like uupdating / install / removing apps etc? |
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| 16:24.02 | SuperTramp83 | don't root knivsta |
| 16:24.12 | jelly | knivsta: I mainly use sudo to give specific groups access to specific commands, eg. manage their own service |
| 16:24.12 | greycat | knivsta: some people prefer sudo because it logs each command (unless you do "sudo bash") |
| 16:24.49 | jelly | knivsta: but for normal admin stuff, I don't see a big difference |
| 16:24.52 | greycat | And it gives you at least a fighting chance at figuring "who did it" when something bad happens. |
| 16:25.13 | jelly | unless you're the only admin and the only user |
| 16:25.22 | greycat | Well in that case you know who did it. |
| 16:25.27 | jelly | a VIRUS |
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| 16:26.36 | jelly | "sudo -i", and "su -" have similar level of logging |
| 16:26.37 | knivsta | jelly, I am the only Admin with Dell FDE installation :) Strong pass for Disk encryption different pass for Root office |
| 16:27.15 | knivsta | different password for user (weak) I mean rest password are too weird :) |
| 16:27.15 | knivsta | Debian*/not/Dell |
| 16:27.51 | knivsta | why are you people scaring me with Virus? |
| 16:27.53 | jelly | knivsta: you should probably use a strong password for any user and service able to login in remotely |
| 16:27.55 | knivsta | Should I buy an antivurs? |
| 16:28.05 | jelly | that was a JOKE |
| 16:28.14 | knivsta | ok |
| 16:28.34 | knivsta | jelly, lik what service? I have firewall? in is not allowed without root password right? |
| 16:28.42 | jelly | knivsta: like ssh |
| 16:29.00 | knivsta | ssh need to by-pass firewall? |
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| 16:29.24 | greycat | knivsta: most of the discussion about sudo vs. su assumes that you have multiple users, and remote access. |
| 16:29.30 | at0m|c | knivsta: 'in' allowed with just a root password is retard |
| 16:29.44 | at0m|c | 'in' with user ssh keys, then user can su |
| 16:29.56 | knivsta | but why do you think in is allowed? |
| 16:30.12 | at0m|c | how else are you going to log on |
| 16:30.24 | at0m|c | it's a local machine with KVM? |
| 16:30.29 | knivsta | no |
| 16:30.30 | greycat | If no remote access is allowed AT ALL, then who cares. |
| 16:30.35 | knivsta | ok |
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| 16:30.40 | jelly | at0m|c: it's not "retard", it's just a policy decision. |
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| 16:31.31 | at0m|c | jelly: a friend started at this small (10ish) IT company. all use just root on all machines with same password. retard came up more than once. |
| 16:31.49 | knivsta | what? |
| 16:31.54 | knivsta | I don't understand |
| 16:31.59 | SynrG | and some of us are parents / in the care networks of people with intellectual disabilities and would kindly ask you to refrain from using 'retard' like that |
| 16:32.07 | greycat | at0m|c: Commonplace. |
| 16:32.12 | at0m|c | SynrG: sorry, noted |
| 16:32.25 | knivsta | is Clamav effective? |
| 16:32.32 | SuperTramp83 | also consider downloading more ram http://www.downloadmoreram.com/ |
| 16:32.35 | greycat | knivsta: at what? |
| 16:32.42 | knivsta | what it does? |
| 16:32.48 | greycat | which is...? |
| 16:32.48 | knivsta | Scanning files for viruses? |
| 16:33.00 | greycat | For Windows viruses? Is that a thing you care about? |
| 16:33.22 | knivsta | yes I don't want to forward any known viruses |
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| 16:33.34 | greycat | Are you administering a mail server? |
| 16:33.39 | knivsta | But I seriously don't know how would a virus enter my PC though only via Emails |
| 16:33.47 | knivsta | greycat, no I am a standard user |
| 16:34.12 | greycat | Then I don't understand why you think clamav is relevant to your current needs. |
| 16:34.23 | knivsta | greycat, for scanning files? |
| 16:34.24 | jelly | knivsta: clamav is mostly useful as a part of a filter for windows users |
| 16:34.52 | knivsta | jelly, I share files with my Dad's office network which is 5 windows 10 PC |
| 16:34.59 | knivsta | SMB |
| 16:35.05 | knivsta | I use Clamav for the same |
| 16:35.12 | SynrG | sounds like a reasonable use case |
| 16:35.22 | knivsta | whenever they upload some files in my Public |
| 16:35.24 | wallbroken | how to enable network manager? |
| 16:35.25 | jelly | knivsta: then it makes sense to use it as part of a mail filtering solution, or for samba/cifs shares |
| 16:35.41 | knivsta | jelly, but does it run in realtime |
| 16:35.44 | jelly | no |
| 16:35.46 | knivsta | I want it to run in realtime |
| 16:36.03 | greycat | Meaning what? Any time samba writes data to a disk file? |
| 16:36.36 | greycat | Any time Samba closes a disk file that was opened for writing? |
| 16:37.04 | knivsta | greycat, I want my Public Folder under scan 24x7 |
| 16:37.11 | knivsta | since my laptop is on like 20 hours |
| 16:37.15 | knivsta | so 20/7 |
| 16:37.15 | greycat | Again, what does that mean? |
| 16:37.26 | greycat | You want to scan every file in a given directory every 10 minutes? |
| 16:37.42 | knivsta | greycat, no I want that folder scanned in realtime |
| 16:37.46 | knivsta | as it happens |
| 16:37.54 | knivsta | something come/goes |
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| 16:38.03 | knivsta | it works and does its job |
| 16:38.04 | SynrG | clamfs |
| 16:38.10 | knivsta | kk |
| 16:38.25 | greycat | knivsta: if you want to trigger a program every time samba writes a file (or closes a file), ask #samba how to set that up. |
| 16:38.37 | SynrG | it's fuse, so presumably can be layered with smb ... |
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| 16:38.57 | SynrG | never tried it, personally. in theory it should work :) |
| 16:38.58 | knivsta | greycat, ok |
| 16:39.03 | knivsta | SynrG, I see |
| 16:39.19 | knivsta | is there a clamav GUI in Debian repo? |
| 16:39.22 | knivsta | I cannot find it |
| 16:39.57 | knivsta | Ok found it |
| 16:40.39 | cra1g321 | lol |
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| 16:41.10 | SynrG | knivsta: possibly relevant article http://blog.mjwindsor.co.uk/2012/01/linux-fileserver-and-clamfs.html which i only skimmed for possible relevance. can't vouch for its contents |
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| 16:41.31 | SynrG | or you can do your own samba clamfs search to see if there are any other potential "gotchas" |
| 16:41.49 | greycat | ,info clamfs |
| 16:41.55 | judd | Package clamfs (utils, optional) in jessie/amd64: user-space anti-virus protected file system. Version: 1.0.1-1.1+b2; Size: 74.3k; Installed: 225k; Homepage: http://clamfs.sourceforge.net/; O: #678863 |
| 16:42.40 | jelly | ooh |
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| 16:43.02 | greycat | Hmm. The description says "on-access anti-virus file scanning" so it seems they flipped it to scanning on read instead of on write. |
| 16:44.11 | jelly | "this file was clean on creat()" |
| 16:44.14 | greycat | But maybe the description is just oversimplified. |
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| 16:53.03 | jhutchins | Heh. I enabled that on a server once. Hope you have a current processor and plenty of RAM. |
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| 17:05.29 | PinkFreud | hey folks. using multiarch on an amd64 system running jessie, i can't install samba:i386. |
| 17:05.54 | PinkFreud | one of the listed dependencies is python-dnspython:i386, which does not appear to exist. |
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| 17:06.38 | PinkFreud | so, uh, is samba for the i386 arch completely broken in jessie, or am I merely doing something wrong? |
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| 17:07.21 | greycat | ,v python-dnspython i386 |
| 17:07.22 | judd | Package: python-dnspython on i386 -- squeeze: 1.8.0-1; wheezy: 1.10.0-1; jessie: 1.12.0-1; sid: 1.12.0-1; stretch: 1.12.0-1 |
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| 17:07.44 | PinkFreud | odd |
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| 17:08.09 | PinkFreud | aptitude install python-dnspython:i386 returns 'No candidate version found for python-dnspython:i386' |
| 17:10.09 | jelly | PinkFreud: what's wrong with native samba? |
| 17:10.58 | PinkFreud | jelly: needed for an app in a 32 bit install of wine |
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| 17:11.38 | jelly | PinkFreud: which app? |
| 17:11.50 | PinkFreud | heh. Adobe Digital Editions. |
| 17:12.13 | jelly | and why does it need 32bit samba _services_ as opposed to some 32bit library? |
| 17:12.26 | PinkFreud | different app, but same error and cause: https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37988 |
| 17:12.31 | wallbroken | how to remap ctrl + shift + v >>>>>>to>>>>>> ctrl + v ? |
| 17:12.47 | PinkFreud | specifically, wine needs ntml_auth from samba. |
| 17:13.03 | PinkFreud | and, as this is a 32 bit install, I likewise need a 32 bit samba. |
| 17:13.53 | greycat | What does "needs ntml_auth" mean? Some library that comes with samba? |
| 17:13.55 | jelly | PinkFreud: your thinking is good but the conclusion isn't. There's nothing that points to "ntlm_auth" having to be 32bit |
| 17:14.16 | greycat | If it's a running daemon that wine connects to, then jelly is correct. |
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| 17:15.19 | PinkFreud | note the error: 'err:winediag:SECUR32_initNTLMSP ntlm_auth was not found or is outdated. Make sure that ntlm_auth >= 3.0.25 is in your path. Usually, you can find it in the winbind package of your distribution.' |
| 17:15.39 | PinkFreud | that's not a running daemon - it's specificially attempting to use it directly. |
| 17:16.02 | greycat | If it's just a (client) program that it invokes, there's still no reason it has to be 32-bit. |
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| 17:16.11 | PinkFreud | otherwise, it wouldn't really care about it being in the path, would it? |
| 17:16.16 | jelly | PinkFreud: can you use "strace" or add debugging to see which specific file wine is trying to acces? |
| 17:16.25 | PinkFreud | hm, let me see. |
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| 17:16.59 | greycat | Is it in the winbind package instead of the samba package? |
| 17:16.59 | jelly | PinkFreud: it might be talking about executable path, in which case it probably doesn't matter whether the executable is 32bit or not, or it might be looking for some sort of library |
| 17:17.10 | jelly | for all we know it might be |
| 17:17.15 | greycat | The error message said... |
| 17:17.20 | jelly | ,i libntlm0 |
| 17:17.21 | judd | Package libntlm0 (libs, optional) in jessie/amd64: NTLM authentication library. Version: 1.4-3; Size: 20.3k; Installed: 42k; Homepage: http://www.nongnu.org/libntlm/ |
| 17:17.57 | jelly | but 3.0.26 sounds like samba version |
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| 17:18.06 | greycat | ,v winbind |
| 17:18.07 | judd | Package: winbind on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security-lts: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze12; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u4; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5~bpo60+1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2; stretch: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-4; |
| 17:18.08 | judd | sid: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-4 |
| 17:18.34 | greycat | pretty sure winbind is a part of Samba source package, but packaged separately |
| 17:18.46 | jelly | judd: file bin/ntlm_auth |
| 17:18.50 | judd | Search for bin/ntlm_auth in jessie/amd64: winbind: usr/bin/ntlm_auth |
| 17:18.53 | jelly | ah. |
| 17:19.08 | jelly | PinkFreud: so install "winbind" (for the native arch) |
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| 17:19.25 | PinkFreud | yeah, same error with the native amd64 arch |
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| 17:19.38 | PinkFreud | and, of course, winbind:i386 depends on samba:i386 |
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| 17:20.00 | jelly | PinkFreud: same error with winbind:amd64 installed? |
| 17:20.04 | PinkFreud | yep |
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| 17:21.46 | PinkFreud | hmmm |
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| 17:22.05 | jelly | PinkFreud: did you forget to "apt-get update" after enabling i386 foreign arch? |
| 17:22.34 | PinkFreud | i did. |
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| 17:22.44 | PinkFreud | nevermind, ntlm error is no longer thrown. |
| 17:22.51 | PinkFreud | but the crash still occurs. |
| 17:22.57 | PinkFreud | kicks Adobe |
| 17:23.13 | jelly | that seems more like it |
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| 17:26.42 | yixs | Sometimes, when exiting an xterm terminal, programs that have been started by it in the background before (by executing "program &") are killed along with it and sometimes not. Why is this thing? |
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| 17:27.32 | valdyn | yixs: the are always killed unless they detach themselves. Some programs may do that. |
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| 17:28.09 | valdyn | yixs: but you are probably talking about something not being killed that is not even a program |
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| 17:28.52 | jelly | yixs: some programs manage the HUP signal they're given when the parent process and terminal dies. Some don't and terminate is the default action. |
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| 17:30.12 | ikdc | Has anyone gotten wireless networking to work with a Broadcom 14e4:43ba (as in the Macbook Pro 12,1)? <https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/brcm80211#brcmfmac> implies the brcmfmac driver should work, but I haven't had any luck. |
| 17:30.54 | greycat | yixs: If you do something like "sleep 10001 &" in a new terminal window and then close the window, sleep should continue running until it's done. Background jobs don't catch the SIGHUP that the foreground shell receives. |
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| 17:31.19 | greycat | The technobabble for this "process groups" but most people just refer to background jobs. |
| 17:31.31 | catphish | i'm a little confused by how the "detecting hardware" part of the debian installer works, it seems that it detects hardware and loads additional kernel modules, but i can't find where those modules would be on the installation media |
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| 17:31.52 | valdyn | catphish: inside the initrd image probably |
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| 17:32.39 | catphish | it's interesting, i've booted to the initrd image, the kernel hasn't detected my raid, and there don't seem to be drivers for it in /lib/modules, so i don't really understand how it works |
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| 17:37.36 | bdvvd | hi, is it normal "dd if=/dev/urandom of=test.bin bs=1M count=5M" takes a lot of time? >1hr |
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| 17:38.14 | greycat | that is an incredibly large amount of urandom data |
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| 17:38.27 | greycat | 5*10^12 bytes |
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| 17:39.16 | greycat | If your objective was to exhaust the urandom entropy pool, I think you found a good solution. |
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| 17:40.31 | bdvvd | :/ |
| 17:40.52 | bdvvd | I just want to create a small 5mb container later |
| 17:40.59 | bdvvd | whats wrong in my command? |
| 17:41.03 | greycat | actually it's more than 5*10^12. It's... uh... 5*2^40 I think. |
| 17:41.09 | ikdc | (apparently network disconnects on suspend, oops. I assume no one answered the brcmfmac question in my absence, correct if wrong please) |
| 17:41.11 | greycat | You want count=5 |
| 17:41.11 | kirkland | bdvvd: that's 5TB of data |
| 17:41.22 | bdvvd | god damn |
| 17:41.30 | bdvvd | I thought that was 5mb... |
| 17:41.34 | v0r0nwe | o.O |
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| 17:41.47 | kirkland | bs=1M count=5 |
| 17:41.53 | kirkland | not 5M |
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| 17:42.59 | bdvvd | thank you guys |
| 17:44.00 | bdvvd | kirkland: love you little blog btw ;) |
| 17:44.05 | bdvvd | +r |
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| 17:44.14 | kirkland | bdvvd: ;-) thanks! |
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| 17:46.27 | meseira | hi all |
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| 17:47.01 | meseira | is there an equivalent of the Ubuntu package "mail-stack-delivery" in Debian? |
| 17:47.50 | ph4nt0m | what is it exactly |
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| 17:48.02 | meseira | i can install all the packages separately but there are some configuration steps done after install :-/ |
| 17:48.25 | ph4nt0m | what is it exactly |
| 17:48.32 | ph4nt0m | a mail cliebnt |
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| 17:48.37 | ph4nt0m | client |
| 17:48.42 | ph4nt0m | a mail server |
| 17:48.48 | ph4nt0m | ???? |
| 17:48.50 | meseira | ph4nt0m: a meta-package to install postfix, dovecot and few other packages to get a quite well configured mail server |
| 17:49.20 | ph4nt0m | oki thx no i dont know |
| 17:49.32 | meseira | the main advantage is that all the stuff to get postfix and dovecot communicating together are set on install |
| 17:49.32 | ph4nt0m | sorry |
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| 17:50.20 | meseira | i can mimic the behaviour but it could be faster to get some similar meta-package in Debian... so my question ;-) |
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| 17:50.48 | davidKatara | meseira: can you download a .deb file of that Ubuntu package? |
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| 17:51.11 | davidKatara | you could use then install it in debian with `dpkg -i filename.deb` |
| 17:51.23 | davidKatara | you could then install it* |
| 17:51.56 | mtn | ubuntu pacakges don't always work well on debian, though |
| 17:52.00 | SynrG | which would be totally, 100% not supported here |
| 17:52.01 | davidKatara | or check http://pkgs.org IIRC |
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| 17:52.31 | davidKatara | yeah, I know, I don't like doing that either but .deb is just an archive |
| 17:52.44 | davidKatara | you could unpack it and pull out the files you need |
| 17:52.48 | davidKatara | binaries and stuff |
| 17:53.00 | davidKatara | it wouldn't be a package anymore but it would work |
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| 17:53.36 | SynrG | or you could review the source, line by line |
| 17:54.12 | SynrG | if you don't understand what a package is or what it does from reading the source, your chances of being able to do anything useful with random files pulled from it are slim |
| 17:54.36 | greycat | I would trust my own ability to configure dovecot before I would trust an ubuntu toaster package installed on Debian. |
| 17:55.00 | SynrG | postfix is overkill for most users. do you need to run a production mail server for a network? |
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| 17:55.11 | meseira | davidKatara: yes, of course -> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/all/mail-stack-delivery/download |
| 17:55.14 | SynrG | if you don't, then use ssmptd or some such |
| 17:55.37 | meseira | but i don't want to brutally install an Ubuntu package in my Debian system |
| 17:55.59 | davidKatara | it's not brutal, doing `dpkg -i` is fine, you will see right away did it work or not |
| 17:56.05 | davidKatara | you can remove it easily |
| 17:56.07 | SynrG | er, ssmtp |
| 17:56.42 | davidKatara | I usually don't condone this type of stuff, but I've installed quite a few of ubuntu's .deb files and they all worked fine |
| 17:56.59 | SynrG | davidKatara: unless you know exactly what all the maintainer scripts are and what they do, and trust the removal scripts work as advertised (on a foreign distro) it is very dangerous indeed |
| 17:57.07 | SynrG | don't go recommending that crap to our users here, please |
| 17:57.10 | SynrG | that's dangerous advice |
| 17:57.24 | davidKatara | he asked for a solution, I proposed one |
| 17:57.27 | SynrG | anecdotal evidence is not a proof of lack of risk |
| 17:57.38 | SynrG | yes, a risky one |
| 17:57.41 | SynrG | don't do that. |
| 17:58.01 | meseira | i agree with people here, installing Ubuntu package in Debian is definitely not an option... Moreover, you have to it again and again for each update |
| 17:58.23 | meseira | davidKatara: that's true, thx :-) |
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| 17:58.40 | SynrG | your statement "doing `dpkg -i` is fine, you will see right away did it work or not. you can remove it easily" is hopelessly naive. |
| 17:58.51 | SynrG | there are many ways you can shoot yourself in the foot with that. |
| 17:59.12 | SynrG | if you haven't been burned by it yet, you've just been exceptionally lucky. |
| 17:59.14 | meseira | my question was just about availability of such a package... if it doesn't exist, no problem to do the config steps of dovecot and postfix by hand |
| 17:59.18 | davidKatara | all good, at the end of the day, it's a personal decision, I just shared what he might've not came up with |
| 17:59.29 | davidKatara | yeah |
| 17:59.38 | SynrG | it's not a "personal decision". you're representing what debian recommends when you help someone here." |
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| 18:00.08 | SynrG | or if not debian, per se, "the debian community" |
| 18:00.24 | SynrG | be a good representative of that community and don't recommend risky things |
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| 18:00.45 | davidKatara | are you a mod here or something, you seem really concerned about my suggestion |
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| 18:00.56 | Lunastyx | Hey guys |
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| 18:01.18 | Lunastyx | I have a debian server with postfix & mysql for virtual users |
| 18:01.25 | davidKatara | I know things like that are not very smart, I have personally bricked apt-get in one of my xubuntu installs, but it depends on the package I'd say |
| 18:01.39 | yixs | valdyn, jelly: what is interesting is that sometimes they are killed and sometimes not. I don't see a pattern. For example claws-mail, when started with "claws-mail &" is sometimes killed and sometimes not when the calling terminal emulator (xterm) is exited... |
| 18:01.54 | Lunastyx | I've tried to setup dovecot in the past for imap but it resulted in errors. Do you know any alternative or good tutorial for my scenario ? |
| 18:01.57 | SynrG | meseira: no, there isn't one that i know of. so yes, configure by hand. |
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| 18:02.14 | yixs | greycat: ^^ |
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| 18:02.57 | SynrG | davidKatara: my ability to kick you has nothing to do with my level of concern. i'm concerned because i help enough people unscrew their systems daily from doing the kind of stuff you were recommending. |
| 18:03.03 | boubou | dpkg-reconfigure systemd |
| 18:03.06 | boubou | ./var/lib/dpkg/info/systemd.postinst: 150: /var/lib/dpkg/info/systemd.postinst: cannot open /run/systemd/was-enabled: No such file |
| 18:03.13 | boubou | heeeeeeeeeee |
| 18:04.00 | SynrG | davidKatara: so i'll just shut up about it if you'd please stop defending giving users bad advice and take it under advisement not to do so in future |
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| 18:05.24 | abferm | I've been having a hard time getting on the backports mailing list. Is there somewhere else I can request a backport? |
| 18:05.49 | davidKatara | SynrG: chill dude, I didn't know how strict you guys are about that.. no problem |
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| 18:07.03 | SynrG | !mixing |
| 18:07.04 | dpkg | Mixing distributions is a bad idea. Running Ubuntu packages on Debian systems (or vice-versa) causes problems with package naming and versioning. Don't expect anybody to help you with your system if you do this. |
| 18:07.08 | SynrG | ^^ that's the party line |
| 18:07.11 | SynrG | thanks |
| 18:07.55 | SynrG | abferm: a hard time how? |
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| 18:08.25 | abferm | I never get the emails, and mine don't seem to show up in the list. |
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| 18:09.55 | SynrG | abferm: contact listmaster@debian.org about that. maybe your ip is blacklisted or something |
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| 18:13.16 | abferm | Alrighty. I just want a newer version of network-manager that has some bug fixes. Is that too much to ask for? |
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| 18:14.32 | zh1 | is debian cd image on maintainance? |
| 18:14.45 | abrotman | what? |
| 18:14.57 | r6ku | zh1: which image? |
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| 18:15.17 | zh1 | on all |
| 18:15.45 | zh1 | after i open https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ doesnt resume |
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| 18:16.14 | r6ku | oh, the website isn't working right :S |
| 18:16.17 | SM0TVI | Anyone know if there are issues with the repo in .se? |
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| 18:17.30 | zh1 | r6ku i opened on two different locais and not using same dns, on europe and remotely on africa and same happens |
| 18:17.43 | zh1 | *locations |
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| 18:18.45 | r6ku | zh1: http://bttracker.debian.org:6969/stat |
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| 18:20.44 | zh1 | r6ku, i was in need of the live iso, is it there too? aint seeing it |
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| 18:22.00 | r6ku | zh1: which desktop environment and architecture? |
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| 18:22.27 | zh1 | r6ku, i need lxde dvd live if there is one |
| 18:22.55 | r6ku | zh1: 32bit or 64bit? |
| 18:23.02 | zh1 | 64 |
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| 18:23.16 | r6ku | zh1: http://bttracker.debian.org:6969/file/debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-lxde-desktop.iso.torrent?info_hash=499a5e43949e3ff3089a2ab9e835f7ab3b0ef10d |
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| 18:27.32 | knivsta | jelly, which XMPP client do you think is awesome Gajim or PSI+? |
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| 18:32.50 | meseira | SynrG: ok, thx |
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| 18:33.14 | at0m|c | knivsta: gaim is now pidgin |
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| 18:33.43 | knivsta | at0m|c, Gajim I mean |
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| 18:40.15 | sergios | Hi. I want to install iceweasel from jessie-backports (deb http://mozilla.debian.net). But I already have an older iceweasel installed. How do I install it from backports? Remove the old one first? or will it just upgrade? if I remove, do I need to take any extra steps like --purge or remove config files myself? |
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| 18:41.14 | greycat | sergios: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 18:42.42 | sergios | greycat: I am aware of that page, I know how to install backports. I'm asking about iceweasel in particular. |
| 18:43.02 | greycat | Why would it be different? |
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| 18:43.38 | metnel | it is just as if you upgrade iceweasel |
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| 18:44.31 | sergios | Don't know, just always scared when something concerns backports. |
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| 18:45.45 | r6ku | didn't the iceweasel backport get moved here? http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 18:46.15 | wallbroken | how to enable network manager? |
| 18:46.24 | wallbroken | i installed network-manager-gnome |
| 18:46.30 | wallbroken | i have the icon on docky |
| 18:46.40 | wallbroken | but appears "disconnected" |
| 18:47.45 | metnel | # systemctl start NetworkManager.service? |
| 18:47.52 | metnel | you installed it manually? |
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| 18:57.02 | dimitry7 | Hello, how can I enable source IP verification= |
| 18:57.04 | dimitry7 | ?? |
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| 19:00.05 | wallbroken | metnel, yes |
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| 19:00.45 | wallbroken | do i need to configure something? |
| 19:00.58 | metnel | wallbroken: you just need to start the unit, then nm-applet will take over |
| 19:01.28 | wallbroken | systemctl start NetworkManager.service |
| 19:01.30 | wallbroken | i done this |
| 19:01.35 | wallbroken | and nothing happens |
| 19:01.49 | metnel | run systemctl status NetworkManager.service |
| 19:01.52 | metnel | what do you see? |
| 19:02.08 | greycat | (note, don't paste the whole thing here -- read it and summarize, or use a pastebin) |
| 19:02.57 | wallbroken | metnel: http://paste.debian.net/304596/ |
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| 19:03.20 | Faryshta | hi, I would like to configure my sound card, currently pulse audio is returning this error http://pastie.org/10372817 and this is my aplay http://pastie.org/10372813 |
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| 19:04.35 | metnel | wallbroken: it does seem like it is running successfuly, nm applet still reports that wi-fi is off? |
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| 19:04.47 | wallbroken | metnel: https://www.dropbox.com/s/48hc519cj509u1z/ultimo.png?dl=0 |
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| 19:04.59 | wallbroken | disconnesso means "disconnected" |
| 19:05.21 | wallbroken | but it is connected |
| 19:05.28 | wallbroken | internet works properly |
| 19:05.39 | wallbroken | maybe i need some extra component to make it work? |
| 19:05.57 | wallbroken | metnel: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=151985 |
| 19:06.03 | wallbroken | i found this solved thread |
| 19:06.10 | wallbroken | but i'm not able to understand the solution |
| 19:06.18 | wallbroken | could you help me please? |
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| 19:06.37 | metnel | wallbroken: it seems like in his case he was using something in addition to network manager |
| 19:06.43 | metnel | wallbroken: is it the same for you? |
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| 19:06.48 | wallbroken | i installed network-manager-gnome |
| 19:06.55 | wallbroken | but i use openbox |
| 19:07.05 | metnel | how did you installed network-manager? |
| 19:07.08 | wallbroken | sure |
| 19:07.13 | metnel | like, what did you use to establish internet connection? |
| 19:07.17 | wallbroken | network-manager and network-manager-gnome |
| 19:07.40 | wallbroken | it is eth0 that takes ip from a dhcp server |
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| 19:08.14 | wallbroken | and it was working also before installing network-manager |
| 19:08.40 | metnel | wallbroken: I see, but what method did you used to esablish the connection? |
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| 19:09.24 | metnel | you are using wifi or ethernet cable? |
| 19:09.41 | wallbroken | it's a virtualbox guest |
| 19:09.46 | metnel | I see |
| 19:09.58 | wallbroken | i set it as "NAT" |
| 19:10.02 | metnel | pastebin the output of systemctl |
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| 19:10.29 | metnel | I assume that you have the a dhcp service running? |
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| 19:13.04 | wallbroken | yes |
| 19:13.08 | wallbroken | it's on virtualbox host |
| 19:13.28 | metnel | The host doesn't matter, I'm talking about the client |
| 19:13.36 | wallbroken | http://sprunge.us/DFfX |
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| 19:16.02 | metnel | wallbroken: it seems like the debian wiki have something regarding your issue |
| 19:16.45 | metnel | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager#Wired_Networks_are_Unmanaged |
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| 19:21.29 | wallbroken | metnel, already done |
| 19:21.38 | wallbroken | managed=true |
| 19:21.58 | wallbroken | but not solved |
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| 19:24.49 | metnel | it might be that you need to reload the units for the changs to take effect? |
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| 19:25.05 | metnel | try to enable networkmanager(systemctl enable NetworkManager.service) and reboot |
| 19:25.18 | calher | I was trying to install mpv but accidentally typed "apt-get intall mp.". Now, I have unmet dependencies and my package manager won't work anymore. |
| 19:25.21 | greycat | I'd probably reboot, if we're having trouble migrating control of a network interface from one system to another totally different sytsem. |
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| 19:29.03 | lisa-b | how do i enable ipv6 on debian? |
| 19:29.24 | lisa-b | we had ipv6 address and installed net.iso and now all we get is 4 |
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| 19:36.00 | metnel | did you verify that your interaces file have the DHCPv6 appened to your interface? |
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| 19:36.24 | metnel | (iface eth0 inet6 dhcp) |
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| 19:36.59 | julius_ | hi |
| 19:37.05 | wallbroken | metnel, nothing changed |
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| 19:37.20 | wallbroken | but the link i already posted, could be useful? |
| 19:37.38 | wallbroken | it had the same problem, and it was solved |
| 19:37.56 | metnel | yes he had the same problem, but from a reason that is not possible in debian |
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| 19:38.04 | julius_ | after a package is installed, does apt execute files beside: postinst, prerm, prorm ? im wondering because the davical installation did not run its database create script und i believe it did not output a message todo so. |
| 19:38.16 | metnel | arch linux install a utility named 'netctl' by default |
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| 19:43.11 | shay_shay | dems fightin words |
| 19:43.25 | lisa-b | in /etc/network/interfaces ? yes i tried appending ipv6...i think, i cant find a tutorial that makes sense |
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| 19:44.12 | lisa-b | i know its not the router or modem because my phone gets ipv6 addresses when it connects to wifi |
| 19:44.34 | lisa-b | < metnel> (iface eth0 inet6 dhcp) |
| 19:44.43 | lisa-b | trying again brb |
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| 19:46.46 | lisa-b | ok verified i do have that appended |
| 19:46.53 | lisa-b | brb reboot? |
| 19:47.14 | metnel | okay |
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| 19:47.52 | metnel | I'm afraid I have to go :/ |
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| 20:03.11 | workxep | Hi All. I've been trying to set up my new laptop with Debian testing/unstable using cryptdisks and having the swap partition and another partition go off derived keys from the root drive (so I only have to enter one password) |
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| 20:03.32 | workxep | long story short, I've done this many times, but something changed in Debian 8 apparently that I can't use the decrypt_derived script in my crypttab |
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| 20:03.49 | greycat | you said testing/unstable and then you said Debian 8 |
| 20:04.08 | workxep | I've updated stuff to use keys off the root drive and it works -- but here's where it gets weird. I setup swap, it works. I reboot, it works. Then next reboot systemd farts on it and doesn't bring it up. swapon -a subsequently works |
| 20:04.32 | workxep | I installed Debian 8 initially --- typically go off testing installer but it had broken cryptdisk stuff in the build I was using the other day |
| 20:04.48 | workxep | so I said screw it, install latest stable (8.1.0) and upgrade to unstable |
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| 20:05.27 | workxep | I'm also not new to this, (see hostname) and been running it for 16 years... it's just freaking weird that it works and then systemd does something weird with dependencies and fails to bring it up itself again |
| 20:05.39 | workxep | I'll pastebin the syslog, it's funky |
| 20:06.03 | workxep | systemd I'm still new to |
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| 20:06.57 | workxep | greycat: these instructions used to perfectly work, for example: http://madduck.net/docs/cryptdisk/ (dated, 2012) |
| 20:07.31 | workxep | greycat: this guy has a brief writeup where he says to use key files instead, which has been very helpful |
| 20:07.34 | workxep | http://gw.tnode.com/debian/issues-and-workarounds-for-debian-8/ |
| 20:07.53 | Dagger | workxep: if it's any help, I put keys straight into /etc/crypttab, which gets compiled into the initrd |
| 20:08.10 | Dagger | then I encrypted /boot, and grub asks for the key to decrypt that |
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| 20:08.41 | workxep | http://pastebin.com/GxZXrh1c |
| 20:08.44 | Dagger | Seems To Work Okay™ (although this is on my old laptop that I don't use much) |
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| 20:09.40 | workxep | Dagger: interesting, never used encrypted /boot but that makes sense... keys straight into crypttab I guess is OK since / is encrypted. it's not really much different at that point from having a /somekeyfile or /etc/keys/somekeyfile heh |
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| 20:10.26 | workxep | anyway, from the pastebin you can see it decrypts it fine, swapon gives an "invalid argument", mkswap is run, dependency fails, and show goes on |
| 20:10.33 | workxep | so of course when I run swapon -a after it boots, it brings it up |
| 20:10.43 | Dagger | workxep: I wanted a keyfile, but the initrd scripts wouldn't do it :( |
| 20:10.46 | workxep | the question is, how/why does that swap_crypt become screwed up ? :( |
| 20:11.00 | Dagger | they'll read a keyfile from a usb drive, but won't put it into the initrd |
| 20:11.02 | workxep | Dagger: check that second link I pasted (gw.tnode.com) seems to work well |
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| 20:11.08 | workxep | oh, for initrd |
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| 20:11.40 | JuiceBeetle | Question: |
| 20:11.44 | JuiceBeetle | Does Jessie phone back home to RedHat, Debian, Microbesod, or any other nefarious tyrannical or corporate organization, sending either captures of my keystrokes, or my RAM, or my hard disk, or any of my resources? |
| 20:11.54 | workxep | one of my colleagues asked "why swap at all?" ... because it's a laptop and I want suspend/hibernate :) |
| 20:12.37 | workxep | JuiceBeetle: most certainly not. if you want to help the Debian project and participate in a "package popularity contest" to determine which packages are most useful to people based on plurality of installations, you may opt-in to popcon |
| 20:12.41 | workxep | otherwise, no. |
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| 20:12.48 | JuiceBeetle | workxep: you could swap to RAM, instead of to /swap |
| 20:13.15 | workxep | JuiceBeetle: hibernate requires flushing RAM to drive |
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| 20:13.37 | JuiceBeetle | workxep: m'k |
| 20:13.55 | hexnewbie | JuiceBeetle: No, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't double-check your Chromium and Iceweasel settings. |
| 20:14.06 | workxep | what hexnewbie said ^^ |
| 20:14.26 | JuiceBeetle | ok |
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| 20:15.50 | workxep | like, Debian base system isn't going to do that kind of stuff, but you install some piece of software from somewhere, anyone can write anything that "phones home" -- install only software you trust if that's a big concern |
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| 20:18.29 | Faryshta | hi, I would like to configure my sound card, currently pulse audio is returning this error http://pastie.org/10372817 and this is my aplay http://pastie.org/10372813 |
| 20:18.44 | workxep | well, this problem I ran into with my install isn't a showstopper but it's an annoyance I'll hopefully figure out or find some resolution to at some point. I don't think nearly as many people go to the length of using cryptdisks and setting them up just right... thanks for listening to me and thanks in advance if anyone has more suggestions |
| 20:19.06 | workxep | at least making that pastebin I can stare at that problem on my workstation until it drives me mad enough to dig deeper |
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| 20:20.41 | workxep | hm... is it that it tries to bring up swap before the cryptography setup step is done? or does indicating it as "swap" in crypttab do that? |
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| 20:21.08 | workxep | I believe on older installs I had swap down as "luks" and it just worked... |
| 20:21.17 | workxep | madduck's old doc at http://madduck.net/docs/cryptdisk/ has it that way too, maybe I'll try that. |
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| 20:27.35 | JuiceBeetle | workxep: it's possible that your setup expects the swap space to come up already encrypted and passworded. |
| 20:27.45 | Delf | Debian Live should be renamd to Deblian |
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| 20:29.43 | marens | hey there i'm seeing some strange apt/dpkg behaviour and could need some help. We have a package that pre-depends on java7-runtime-headless. When we update this package among several others we see that java7-runtime-headless gets pulled in and changes status unpacked -> half configured -> installed very early in the process to fullfill the pre-depends. But the actual configuration of the system vm via update-alternatives is shifted to the end of the |
| 20:29.43 | marens | apt run. This causes some problems for us as the active java version stays 6 during the apt run until it reaches the update-alternatives step but as we added the pre-depends jre-7-headless we assume to be able to execute java7 compatible code during the apt run which fails. |
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| 20:30.19 | JuiceBeetle | Delf: not distinct enough. There will be unending confusions due to people failing to register that there's an "l" between "b" and "i" when reading the moniker. |
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| 20:31.25 | Delf | JuiceBeetle: It was not a serious suggestion. It just sounds funny, and funny to say it too. |
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| 20:31.56 | greycat | Deblivian? Deblivious? |
| 20:32.01 | Delf | Hahah |
| 20:32.14 | Delf | Deoblivious! |
| 20:32.34 | JuiceBeetle | Delf: ah. (add :) for disambigue). |
| 20:32.37 | Delf | Deblicious… Alright, I better stop :P |
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| 20:33.09 | JuiceBeetle | "deblivion" ?? better not. :) |
| 20:33.25 | Delf | JuiceBeetle: I would if I were smiling. |
| 20:33.50 | JuiceBeetle | see? you were serious. |
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| 20:34.08 | Delf | No! :P |
| 20:34.22 | Delf | The name is perfectly fine. |
| 20:34.31 | Delf | greycat: You fallen in love with Debian yet? |
| 20:34.53 | greycat | what? I've been running it since 1990-something |
| 20:34.55 | markybob | Delf, he's used debian probably longer than you've been alive. |
| 20:35.09 | Delf | Omg! |
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| 20:35.42 | greycat | I never did disk encryption though, so sorry that I can't answer any questions on that. |
| 20:36.07 | Delf | In that case I was 5 years old when greycat fell in love with Debian :) |
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| 20:49.26 | Delf | Is it possible to make Live USB that can be unplugged after finishing boot? |
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| 20:49.59 | greycat | I guess it's theoretically possible. A huuuuge initrd? I wouldn't know how to actually do it. |
| 20:50.15 | Delf | How does webboot do it? |
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| 20:50.50 | Delf | It wget the squashfs |
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| 20:55.04 | marens | i found https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766758 which sounds related but i don't know if update-alternatives is one of those pending triggers. anybody with in depth knowledge of apt/dpkg who knows more about this? |
| 20:55.05 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/766758 in dpkg (closed): «dpkg: Needs to workaround apt not processing pending triggers»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-10-25; last modified: 2015-01-19. |
| 20:55.38 | JuiceBeetle | So, systemd is not phoning home either? |
| 20:55.50 | marens | or is there a more suited dev channel i should use for this? |
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| 20:58.32 | workxep | JuiceBeetle: you're free to inspect the systemd source |
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| 21:01.52 | JuiceBeetle | workxep: sure. But does systemd capture and transmit any of my data? |
| 21:02.05 | workxep | that's not its intended function |
| 21:02.10 | workxep | it's a SysV init replacement |
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| 21:02.37 | greycat | JuiceBeetle: The point was that we do not believe it has any such behaviors, but if you don't believe us, you can conduct your own code audit. |
| 21:02.53 | workxep | precisely, thank you greycat |
| 21:03.13 | workxep | and if it does exhibit unwanted behaviors, *please* do file bugs and raise alert :) |
| 21:03.30 | JuiceBeetle | sure; but does systemd capture and transmit any of my data, intentionally, or not, or surreptitiously, intentionally or not, or covertly, intentionally or not, or undisclosedly, intentionally or not. |
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| 21:03.57 | workxep | I fixed my swap issue ... somehow marking the swap_crypt as "swap" instead of "luks" in crypttab made some systemd script do some weird stuff with my encrypted swap, it'd break it after one run of that script |
| 21:04.20 | workxep | did a fresh luksFormat and made it into a regular "luks" entry again, now lgtm. |
| 21:04.38 | JuiceBeetle | greycat: i could believe an answer, else i would not be asking . . . but i would have to get an answer first in order to believe or disbelieve. |
| 21:04.50 | workxep | well, the answer is, no, it does not. |
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| 21:05.25 | JuiceBeetle | workxep: ah, thank you. |
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| 21:05.34 | workxep | and you're talking to someone who's worked on security eng teams and keeps up to date with security concerns wrt running servers and such |
| 21:05.40 | workxep | for what that's worth |
| 21:06.40 | JuiceBeetle | as i just stated, i can believe an answer. |
| 21:06.44 | workxep | I don't consider myself an authority on the subject, I haven't looked at the systemd code myself, but I accept it as safe |
| 21:06.46 | tdz_ | anybody knows why i cant symlink from an mounted sshfs share to an local point? |
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| 21:07.25 | workxep | tdz_: example command? |
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| 21:07.41 | workxep | you should be able to ln -s /something/that/doesnot/exist blah # all you want |
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| 21:08.23 | tdz_ | ln -s /mnt/sshfs/somedb/ /home/user/Music/ |
| 21:08.53 | workxep | what error is thrown? |
| 21:09.11 | tdz_ | then: ls: cannot access somedb/: No such file or directory |
| 21:09.14 | JuiceBeetle | tdz_: i think some symlinks cannot be made across different filesystems. |
| 21:09.41 | workxep | uh |
| 21:09.53 | workxep | symlinks go by pathname |
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| 21:10.18 | workxep | which is why you can create them across filesystem boundaries |
| 21:10.26 | workxep | from superuser stackoverflow |
| 21:10.27 | workxep | "Basically, a symlink is itself a file that contains the path of the file to which it is linking. There's a special bit set in the attributes that causes the operating system to treat the symlink as a link - it reads the path in the file and then follows it to the linked file. All of this is transparent to the user. |
| 21:10.56 | greycat | There are some non-transparent aspects. |
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| 21:11.10 | workxep | true, that last statement was not 100% correct :) |
| 21:11.11 | tdz_ | ls -all shows it up as symlink with its destination but it isnt usable somehow |
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| 21:11.25 | greycat | tdz_: does the destination actually exist? |
| 21:11.40 | greycat | You can have a "dangling symlink" that points to nothing valid. |
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| 21:11.52 | workxep | tdz_: can you please: ls -ld /home/user/Music/somedb |
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| 21:12.10 | tdz_ | ah i have to put full path, you were right |
| 21:12.17 | workxep | that's what I thought :) |
| 21:12.51 | workxep | so I just got work to get me a fancy shmancy 2015 Lenovo X1 Carbon |
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| 21:12.59 | workxep | the 2014 I had was unusable with its touchpad, lack of real mouse buttons, etc. |
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| 21:13.20 | Amun_Ra | this is symlink to sshfs endpoint, I guess you didn't set transform_symlinks option on on mount |
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| 21:14.07 | workxep | so far zero issues, unlike the 2014 :) |
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| 21:18.38 | Smither_ | hey, recently tried to switch from lxde to xfce4. once i hade installed xfce4 i uninstalled lxde. now when i reboot my laptop it boots to console instead of desktop. i can start xfce using "startx" but only after i have logged in via console, what have i done wrong/missed out? |
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| 21:19.12 | Nik05 | Smither_ do you still have a desktop manager? |
| 21:19.18 | Nik05 | and how did you install xfce4? |
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| 21:20.04 | Smither_ | hi Nik05: desktop manager, like what? i am a complete noob at desktop and gui stuff, installed using "apt-get install xfce4" |
| 21:20.22 | greycat | Smither_: looks like the DM for xfce is "lightdm" |
| 21:20.28 | Nik05 | Smither_ yes install lightdm |
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| 21:22.22 | Smither_ | okay, installing now |
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| 21:23.25 | Nik05 | Smither_ maybe you want to install task-xfce-desktop. That should also take care of lightdm |
| 21:23.56 | r6ku | yeah, that's the way to go |
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| 21:23.56 | Nik05 | but that also installs stuff like synaptic, network-manager-gnome etc... |
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| 21:24.18 | Nik05 | so you can just check some of the dependencies of task-xfce-desktop and install some if them if you like them |
| 21:24.36 | Nik05 | oh those are recommends, not dependencies |
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| 21:25.15 | Smither_ | okay, i'll take a look at that as well. i have installed lightdm and am rebooting..... |
| 21:25.22 | Nik05 | oke :) |
| 21:26.29 | Smither_ | wahoo, it works :D |
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| 21:27.08 | Smither_ | in the top right for desktop environments i can isntall i have the option of xfce (obviously), default, and openbox. what is openbox? do i need it? |
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| 21:27.21 | Smither_ | /s/install/log into |
| 21:27.26 | Nik05 | its a small window manager |
| 21:27.34 | Nik05 | you can uninstall it if you want |
| 21:27.42 | r6ku | openbox is what lxde uses |
| 21:27.46 | Nik05 | ah oke |
| 21:27.50 | Nik05 | so its a leftover |
| 21:27.53 | Delf | No official weboot for stretch yet? |
| 21:27.58 | Nik05 | but you can also keep it :) |
| 21:28.00 | Delf | webboot* |
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| 21:28.32 | Smither_ | ok, thanks guys, you've been great :) |
| 21:28.34 | r6ku | the xfce metapackage recommends some useful stuff like the terminal, power manager, mixer and goodies, definitely want to install those |
| 21:28.43 | Smither_ | ok will do |
| 21:29.26 | JuiceBeetle | Smither_: is your RAM small that you have to use xfce? |
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| 21:30.38 | JuiceBeetle | why not Cinnamon, or KDE? |
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| 21:30.58 | markybob | none of our business. he wants xfce... |
| 21:31.30 | JuiceBeetle | just curious. |
| 21:31.53 | r6ku | why not xfce? |
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| 21:32.07 | JuiceBeetle | seems smallish |
| 21:32.20 | jelly | nothing wrong with smallish |
| 21:32.38 | JuiceBeetle | true |
| 21:32.38 | Nik05 | i use xfce |
| 21:32.57 | rainfyre | xfce4 is fantastic |
| 21:32.59 | Smither_ | JuiceBeetle: I think my RAM is 4GB if I remember correctly, but I run games and stuff on it, and i like my desktop to be as light weight as possible, i'm not fussed about the slight cost to looks, smoothness, etc |
| 21:33.10 | Nik05 | i got 16GB and use it... |
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| 21:33.20 | rainfyre | i have 6 and 4 gigs and use it |
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| 21:33.36 | Smither_ | haha watch the xfce users close ranks :P |
| 21:33.42 | JuiceBeetle | Smither_: cool. Makes sense. |
| 21:33.52 | rainfyre | haha i actually use i3 more than xfce4 |
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| 21:34.50 | Smither_ | okay another question, how do i view what the recommended packages for xfce4 are? |
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| 21:35.22 | Nik05 | aptitude show task-xfce4-something let me check |
| 21:35.34 | Nik05 | task-xfce-desktop |
| 21:35.46 | jelly | !install xfce |
| 21:35.46 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages. |
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| 21:36.15 | Nik05 | or start aptitude and search for xfce4, it will show the recommends in a list and you can easily got to the package to check the description |
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| 21:51.18 | Smither_ | okay so installing recommended packages. also My wifi has stopped working. i can sort it out using the /etc/network/interface file, but i'd rather have a desktop application to sort it out, recommendations anyone? |
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| 21:55.50 | Nik05 | Smither_ well task-xfce-desktop comes with networkmanager-gnome |
| 21:55.56 | Nik05 | did you install that? |
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| 21:56.09 | choice | Is making a bootable usb stick from an iso file just "dd if=the.iso of=/dev/sdb"? |
| 21:56.13 | choice | And is dd better then cat? |
| 21:56.28 | Nik05 | yes you can just dd it |
| 21:57.12 | choice | ok. |
| 21:57.15 | choice | what bs is good? |
| 21:57.31 | Nik05 | oh uh doesnt really matter if you choose something like 1M |
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| 21:57.45 | jelly | choice: and "cp the.iso /dev/sdb" is better |
| 21:57.49 | Nik05 | the kernel will do the writing |
| 21:57.53 | choice | jelly: why that? |
| 21:58.16 | jelly | it picks the right bs on its own |
| 21:58.43 | choice | ok |
| 21:58.55 | markybob | choice, if you use dd...use bs=4M |
| 21:59.08 | Nik05 | jelly doesnt it really matter what bs you choose? |
| 21:59.18 | jelly | install guide tells to use cp |
| 21:59.19 | markybob | it does if you care about speed |
| 21:59.23 | Nik05 | oke |
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| 21:59.46 | jelly | Nik05: only if you value the longevity of your cheap single chip usb stich |
| 21:59.49 | jelly | stick* |
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| 22:00.19 | choice | cp started... |
| 22:00.32 | choice | exactly at 00:00 ... lets see how long it takes... |
| 22:00.39 | Nik05 | ;p |
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| 22:00.54 | choice | done! |
| 22:00.55 | choice | that was quick. |
| 22:00.58 | jelly | sync |
| 22:01.02 | choice | yeah |
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| 22:02.44 | Smither_ | Nik05: thanks, installing now, looked at the packages it installs looks promising |
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| 22:04.06 | mirf | anyone in here using rust from Sid? |
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| 22:05.42 | rainfyre | mirf: you could ask in #debian-next |
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| 22:20.42 | choice | these days, is there no more limit on how many primary paritions you can have? |
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| 22:22.39 | markybob | choice, depends on the bios. just make a lvm and create as many as you want. that's the best method |
| 22:23.37 | JuiceBeetle | markybob: as many _primary_, or as many _logical_ partitions? He's asking about _primary_ partitions. |
| 22:24.44 | markybob | JuiceBeetle, that's what i answered? |
| 22:25.15 | choice | i already have 7 partitions so it must be gpt i guess |
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| 22:26.03 | TJ- | number of partitions has nothing to do with the BIOS, it is the number of entries in the disk label's partition table. MSDOS gives 4 primary entries, GPT defaults to 128 |
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| 22:27.02 | choice | so im good for another 120 partitions :) |
| 22:27.16 | choice | i very much prefer that to the old "extended partition" stuff. |
| 22:27.21 | markybob | TJ-, it certainly did. of course times have changed. i didn't know how old his system was |
| 22:27.25 | TJ- | yeah, if is GPT and not msdos with some logical partitions in extended partitions |
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| 22:28.49 | TJ- | markybob: in what circumstances? on x86 the BIOS reads sector 0 to 0x7C00 and executes there, and that bootstrap is responsible for reading more boot-manager code and then reading the partition table. |
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| 22:29.26 | TJ- | Some BIOS boot code would want to see a MSDOS disk-label and a partition marked as bootable |
| 22:29.57 | markybob | TJ-, it's changed a lot during the years. all depends. http://forums.justlinux.com/showthread.php?152404-What-is-the-maximum-No-of-hard-disk-partitions-after-kernel-2-6-28 |
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| 22:31.21 | choice | these days, what options do you have to provide to cryptsetup to have good choice of cipher etc? |
| 22:31.24 | Delf | Is it ok to do "wget -qO- http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.1.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso > /dev/usb"? |
| 22:32.03 | TJ- | markybob: that thread is about the Linux kernel default handling, not BIOS restrictions. |
| 22:32.13 | TJ- | choice: the defaults are usually the best |
| 22:33.11 | markybob | TJ-, i did say times have changed. do you want a bios link or can you google it yourself? |
| 22:33.14 | choice | TJ-: is there a way to display them? if i create an encrypted partition, i would like to know which cipher it uses :) |
| 22:33.26 | markybob | TJ-, i's pretty simple. wikipedia it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning |
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| 22:36.57 | TJ- | markybob: I'm not sure what you're trying to show me. I've been working at low-level with IBM-PC disks since the first DSDT came out. The BIOS doesn't impose a limit on the number of partitions, it expects to find an MBR (or more recently, GPT). The disk label's themselves define the quantity. |
| 22:37.35 | markybob | TJ-, now it does not. i didn't know the age of his system |
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| 22:38.11 | TJ- | markybob: maybe you're referring to the original CHS addressing limitations, brought on by the msdos entries, which was why we switched to addressing by LBA and then later LBA48? |
| 22:38.46 | TJ- | choice: I think "cryptsetup luksDump /dev/sdX" |
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| 22:38.54 | marioxcc | Hello. |
| 22:39.44 | marioxcc | I am using Debian 7 with LXDE in a laptop. How can I configure it so that I can switch from the built-in to an external monitor with a simple command?. |
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| 22:40.18 | TJ- | choice: I've been using aes-xts-plain64 for quite a long time; i'm not sure if it is the default or not now. I suppose it depends on which distro release, and which version of crytpsetup it has |
| 22:40.19 | marioxcc | I think that the built-in monitor is breaking (it blinks and gets completely black, I think that the backlight is failing), so I want to make sure that I will be able to switch once I get a new monitor. |
| 22:40.54 | choice | TJ-: luksDump says its not a valid luks device. so maybe the defaults did not create a luks device? |
| 22:41.04 | TJ- | marioxcc: "xrandr -q" will list the outputs. Enabling one is "xrandr --output XXXX --auto" |
| 22:41.16 | TJ- | choice: did you use the correct /dev/sdX ? |
| 22:41.20 | relaxed | marioxcc: https://pkg-xorg.alioth.debian.org/howto/use-xrandr.html |
| 22:41.23 | choice | TJ-: sure |
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| 22:41.50 | TJ- | choice: unless you used a detached LUKS header, the device will have the header first, and that is what luksDump shows |
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| 22:42.33 | marioxcc | Thanks TJ-, relaxed |
| 22:42.41 | TJ- | choice: e.g. http://paste.ubuntu.com/12188253/ |
| 22:42.42 | choice | TJ-: maybe i had to do luksformat or something? i just did "cryptsetup create mystuff /dev/sdaX; mksf.ext4 /dev/mapper/mystuff" |
| 22:43.53 | markybob | okay |
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| 22:44.45 | TJ- | choice 'create' will 'open' an existing device. You need "cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sdX ..." before opening the device |
| 22:45.27 | choice | TJ-: there is no need to do that. it works just fine like i did it. |
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| 22:46.04 | TJ- | choice: I generally do "cryptsetup luksFormat --cipher aes-xts-plain64 .... /dev/sdX" then "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdx LUKS_sdX" |
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| 22:46.58 | TJ- | choice of course there is! You cannot open an encrypted device that doesn't exist :) |
| 22:47.14 | choice | TJ-: you can. its just a cipher over a sea of bits. |
| 22:47.23 | choice | TJ-: then you format and all is fine. |
| 22:47.30 | TJ- | choice without luksFormat there's no LUKS header, just a dm-crypt device |
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| 22:47.46 | choice | TJ-: ok. and does that have any downsides? |
| 22:48.02 | TJ- | choice: all luksFormat does it create the header, it doesn't touch the rest of the block device. |
| 22:48.13 | choice | TJ-: do i need the header? |
| 22:48.34 | TJ- | choice: I usually use the fast method of randomizing a device before using LuksFormat, too |
| 22:48.56 | TJ- | choice: If you want the init system to automatically handle the encrypted device |
| 22:49.16 | choice | TJ-: i dont do it automatically. its done by scripts. |
| 22:50.20 | TJ- | if the underlying block device isn't randomised first, then it can leak useful information to an attacker |
| 22:50.30 | choice | but maybe i should add the luks header, so i can read it. |
| 22:50.41 | choice | i dont see any other option to get the info what cipher was used by default. |
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| 22:51.34 | marioxcc | Hello |
| 22:51.55 | TJ- | choice: that's the point - you are responsible for doing all that if you use plain dm-crypt...in your scripts |
| 22:52.03 | ctmjr | maybe read the man page it tells you all kind's of interesting things |
| 22:52.54 | TJ- | choice: I use detached LUKS headers on a separate device, which makes the device on a par with dm-crypt in that an attacker cannot easily tell there's an encrypted block device there |
| 22:53.15 | choice | TJ-: looks like the default is aes-xts-plain64 |
| 22:53.44 | TJ- | choice: I know the plan was to move to that, but I've always explicitly specified it |
| 22:54.04 | choice | TJ-: if all the luksformat does is add that header, i guess i can remove it again now. |
| 22:54.12 | marioxcc | My laptop's built-in monitor is failing. I think that the backlight is reaching end of life (turns on and off unexpectedly). Suppose I connect a new monitor the built-in one is already completely broken. What command should I type to enable the new monitor (I won't be able to see the response)?. |
| 22:54.38 | TJ- | choice: not if you want luksOpen to be able to open the device |
| 22:54.48 | choice | TJ-: why would i want that? |
| 22:54.50 | marioxcc | "xrandr --output VGA1 --auto" it seems. |
| 22:55.13 | marioxcc | However, I tried that (with no external monitor) connected, and the built-in screen didn't go dark. |
| 22:55.23 | marioxcc | Doesn't that mean that that command failed to switch to the VGA1 output?. |
| 22:55.30 | TJ- | choice: how else will you open the block device? the data area is at an offset |
| 22:55.48 | choice | TJ-: cryptsetup creat mystuff /dev/sdaX |
| 22:55.51 | choice | create |
| 22:56.02 | abrotman | marioxcc: it has to be able to detect thedisplay |
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| 22:56.55 | marioxcc | abrotman: Ok. So can I expect it to work when the external monitor is connected?. |
| 22:57.21 | marioxcc | Will that command automatically switch the built-in monitor in case the video adapter doesn't supports 2 monitors at the same time? |
| 22:57.40 | TJ- | choice:I'm at a loss as to why you're continuously fighting against the tooling of the distro. There's no point using "luksFormat" if you're going to do "open/create" which defaults to plain dm-crypt. |
| 22:58.17 | choice | TJ-: im not using luksFormat. i just did it to find out what the default cipher is. im going to reformat the partition now without luks. |
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| 22:59.18 | TJ- | choice: OK. don't forget to randomise the block device. |
| 23:00.13 | choice | TJ-: tbh, i wonder if the encryption is worth much on an ssd drive which also holds unencrypted partitions. |
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| 23:01.07 | TJ- | choice: depends on what is being protected |
| 23:01.20 | choice | TJ-: well... files? |
| 23:01.26 | marioxcc | In a laptop, what command should I use to switch to an external monitor (assume that the built-in monitor doesn't works, so I can't see the response, but I know what I should type or make a script) |
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| 23:02.10 | TJ- | choice: if the unencrypted parts contain executable OS files... no point encrypting data since an attacker can insert a malicious program to snoop on the deciphered files |
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| 23:03.27 | choice | TJ-: depends on the type of attack. |
| 23:03.46 | choice | TJ-: a stolen laptop would still benefit from having the data partition protected. |
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| 23:04.10 | choice | TJ-: the question is if the SSD logic makes the encryption vurnurable. |
| 23:04.14 | TJ- | choice: of course. it doesn't take much to place a file on the device when you're distracted |
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| 23:04.34 | choice | TJ-: well, thats not the "stolen laptop" scenario. |
| 23:04.36 | TJ- | you'd want encrypted swap, too |
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| 23:04.49 | choice | yeah |
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| 23:05.57 | TJ- | choice: stolen laptop whilst running is an attack vector you may want to consider |
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| 23:06.35 | TJ- | choice or, 'temporarily borrowed whilst running' |
| 23:06.38 | marioxcc | In a laptop, what command should I use to switch to an external monitor (assume that the built-in monitor doesn't works, so I can't see the response, but I know what I should type or make a script)? |
| 23:07.05 | marioxcc | Here is my try: "xrandr --output LVDS1 --off;xrandr --output VGA1 --auto" |
| 23:07.15 | marioxcc | does that seems right to you?. |
| 23:07.21 | TJ- | marioxcc: that looks good |
| 23:07.25 | ctmjr | marioxcc: try it |
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| 23:07.55 | choice | TJ-: well, thats a scenario i dont think you can do much about. |
| 23:08.11 | marioxcc | ctmjr: The problem is that I do not have an external monitor to try it with; I tried already and it indeed shuts down the built-in one (I ran that in a script that turns it on afterwards). |
| 23:08.22 | TJ- | marioxcc: you could write a script that simply uses xrandr to detect a VGA1 output that is active, and if it finds it, switches to it and turns LVDS1 off. |
| 23:08.23 | marioxcc | so I do not know if it will indeed turn off the external monitor. |
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| 23:09.21 | marioxcc | TJ-: I do not understand the idea. If I connect a monitor using a VGA cable, it will appear as VGA1, right?. |
| 23:09.31 | marioxcc | Then I can assume that it is VGA1 in the above one-liner. |
| 23:09.38 | TJ- | marioxcc: I have a script at "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/01fix-rotation-physical-dimensions" which does "xrandr -d :0.3 --fbmm 642x524" each time I log in |
| 23:09.40 | marioxcc | Please correct me if I missed something. |
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| 23:10.38 | TJ- | marioxcc: the output will report "VGA1 connected ...." not "VGA1 disconnected" ... a shell script can detect that easily, and switch accordingly |
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| 23:11.18 | marioxcc | TJ-: ok, so you mean that I make a start-up time script that will detect "VGA1 connected" and if it is connected, perform the switch?. |
| 23:11.50 | ctmjr | if there is no monitor to switch to it is mute you cannot conect to something that is not there |
| 23:12.12 | TJ- | marioxcc: something like this: " if xrandr -q | grep -q '^VGA1 connected'; then xrandr --output LVDS1 --off && xrandr --output VGA1 --auto; fi " |
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| 23:13.07 | marioxcc | TJ-: I see, that is what I was thinking of doing, but where should I place that script?. In /etc/X11/Xsession.d? |
| 23:13.19 | marioxcc | This is for Debian 7 (oldstable). |
| 23:13.22 | TJ- | marioxcc: Yes |
| 23:13.53 | TJ- | marioxcc: it is sourced not executed so it doesn't need a shebang or be made chmod +x |
| 23:14.01 | marioxcc | Ok. |
| 23:14.27 | TJ- | marioxcc: obviously at some point you need to do a full test of that with an external monitor, to be 100% sure it works |
| 23:14.31 | marioxcc | TJ-: Thanks you very much. I made a script with that does that (without the "if .. fi") in my home directory. I know how to log in and run it without video feedback. |
| 23:15.43 | TJ- | marioxcc: you may also want to investigate getting a replacement inverter for the laptop; they are usually not very expensive and will likely solve the issue |
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| 23:16.47 | Chocolate_Chip | Why is the version of bleachbit in the repo so outdated? |
| 23:16.59 | Chocolate_Chip | The latest is 1.8 and 1.4 is in the repo |
| 23:17.01 | marioxcc | TJ-: I see. I didn't know that they were sold separately. |
| 23:17.08 | marioxcc | Thanks you very much. |
| 23:18.04 | marioxcc | TJ-: I noticed that the whole monitor turns off and on simultaneously (That is it, there are no darker bands), is that a sign of inverter failure?. |
| 23:18.17 | TJ- | marioxcc: very much so |
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| 23:18.35 | maazu | don't you have to wait like 15 secs for the monitor to power-up? |
| 23:18.35 | marioxcc | I see, that seems to rule out CCFL failure (I'd assume that it would create darker bands). |
| 23:18.40 | TJ- | marioxcc: if the backlight CFDs were going you'll usually have 1/2 screen go dim and 1/2 be OK |
| 23:18.54 | marioxcc | maazu: No, it blinks off for like 2 seconds each around 15 seconds (it varies randomly). |
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| 23:19.42 | TJ- | marioxcc: the hardest part is usually getting the confidence and patience to carefully strip down the laptop and rebuild it with all the screws back in - there are lots of teardown photo/video guides out there though |
| 23:19.50 | maazu | i recall most monitor tests would present a graphic and asks user if they can see that graphic and respond in 15 secs or it will revert to previous display |
| 23:20.38 | marioxcc | TJ-: I see, though I will likely be unable to get an inverter replacement where I live. |
| 23:20.52 | TJ- | maazu: that is in case the selected resolution isn't displayable by the monitor :) |
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| 23:21.01 | maazu | aha! |
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| 23:21.30 | TJ- | marioxcc: if you can identify the part, aliexpress.com in china is amazing for getting such things, no matter where you are. |
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| 23:22.00 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: that's the Debian way. Every couple of years there is a stable release, which is the result of developing and testing packages in unstable and testing. The idea is that the stable release is going to work really well after all the testing. So the versions in the stable release aren't always the newest, but are known to work well. |
| 23:22.23 | marioxcc | TJ-: Ok, thanks. However, due to personal problems, shipping is not an option for me. |
| 23:22.32 | marioxcc | I will probably purchase an external monitor. |
| 23:22.36 | TJ- | marioxcc: OK. well good luck with it anyhow |
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| 23:22.41 | marioxcc | Thanks you!. |
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| 23:23.39 | aceRacer | hi, so I used the debian 8.1.0 netinstall and then chose gnome for desktop environment . but the problem is it doesn't take the full screen resultion. |
| 23:23.58 | aceRacer | there are black colors on both sides |
| 23:26.01 | jmcnaught | aceRacer: and you already tried changing the resolution in the gnome settings? |
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| 23:27.04 | Chocolate_Chip | ok |
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| 23:28.08 | aceRacer | but where is it? |
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| 23:28.42 | aceRacer | oh got it |
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| 23:28.51 | aceRacer | buit htere is only 2 options |
| 23:29.01 | aceRacer | 1024x768 and 800x600 |
| 23:29.19 | blackjack | guys, can you help me out with this output. And maybe explain to me from lines 1-9 what it does? |
| 23:29.21 | blackjack | http://www.pasteall.org/60720 |
| 23:29.52 | nikoma | Hey, I just installed installed debian on my laptop and wicd can't see my wireless network (ethernet works fine), anyone knows what it could be? |
| 23:29.55 | blackjack | someone told me its a way to make my old debian 7.8 up to date |
| 23:30.07 | blackjack | but to make it a script, i still need your opinion about it. |
| 23:30.12 | jmcnaught | aceRacer: can you tell us more about the computer it's installed on? also can you give us the results of "lspci -nn | grep VGA" (this command gets info about PCI devices, grep is filtering for only the VGA card) |
| 23:30.15 | nikoma | I already added wlan0 to wicd prefs |
| 23:30.23 | abrotman | blackjack: the man pages cover those well enough |
| 23:31.06 | aceRacer | jmcnaught 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS780L [Radeon 3000] [1002:9616] |
| 23:31.09 | squinty | nikoma, in terminal dmesg | grep -i firmware see if the firmware loaded correctly (you may need to install) |
| 23:31.31 | blackjack | abrotman, everything there is a good command? I mean, i might change something or destroy something unknowlingly |
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| 23:31.52 | aceRacer | I have a amd fx 630 with a gigabyte motherboard and internal graphics card |
| 23:32.36 | blackjack | abrotman, the man pages has description on -f , and install alone, but i dont know what it means if its in combination, like it line 1 |
| 23:32.42 | squinty | nikoma, if you find you need the firmware -> aptitude search firmware install applicable package |
| 23:33.22 | aceRacer | I also try cvt 1366 768 and then xrandr --newmode "1366x768" 1368 1440 1576 1784 768 771 781 798 -HSync +VSync but it says faild to parse HSync as a number |
| 23:33.52 | nikoma | http://pastebin.com/rX6jD8QB |
| 23:33.55 | jmcnaught | blackjack: generally to keep Wheezy up to date you just need to update the repos ("apt-get update") and apply upgrades ("apt-get upgrade"). You would usually only need the other commands if you are trying to repair a system. |
| 23:33.59 | nikoma | this is the output of that command |
| 23:34.15 | nikoma | I installed firmware-iwlwifi already |
| 23:34.22 | nikoma | I am new to linux btw |
| 23:35.10 | jmcnaught | aceRacer: did you install the firmware-linux-nonfree package? Some ATI/AMD cards require a binary firmware blob even when you use the open source driver. Use "dmesg | grep firmware" to check for firmware error/success messages |
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| 23:35.36 | blackjack | ok jmcnaught thanks for saying that, Thats also what i have been doing and i did not feel any problem or damages to the system yet. (but i want to apply some fix coz i might not be knowing something has been broken?) |
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| 23:36.30 | blackjack | but as the old saying says, dont fix it if it aint broken.. |
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| 23:36.41 | aceRacer | http://pastie.org/private/egmp7noxtlwj4ge4atca but thats not graphics ? |
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| 23:36.48 | jmcnaught | blackjack: it wouldn't be a bad idea to read the man page for apt-get and other related man pages, or to check the chapters on the package system in debian-handbook or debian-reference (both available as packages or online) |
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| 23:37.02 | aceRacer | ok |
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| 23:37.09 | blackjack | Ok ill do that. Even i know sometimes i got to timid to do so. |
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| 23:37.16 | blackjack | thanks jmc |
| 23:37.17 | jmcnaught | blackjack: the first line is saying that you need that firmware |
| 23:37.19 | aceRacer | so let me check loading non-free drivers |
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| 23:37.40 | jmcnaught | blackjack: no problem. feel free to ask questions about anything in the docs that you don't understand |
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| 23:38.12 | jmcnaught | blackjack: one thing i like to do is have a VM or container around so i can try experiment without worrying about breaking stuff |
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| 23:42.13 | blackjack | jmcnaught, thats actually very nice and clever idea. So anyone can try a command and see what might happen. |
| 23:42.16 | blackjack | like a simulator |
| 23:44.33 | aceRacer | how can I instal rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw firmware |
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| 23:45.51 | jmcnaught | aceRacer: On this page you can search to see which package contains a specific file. Once you figure it out, apt-get install the package: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents |
| 23:46.14 | jmcnaught | aceRacer: a command line alternative is the package "apt-file" |
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| 23:46.25 | aceRacer | nice |
| 23:46.45 | AfterDark | Huh, is gftp no longer in the wheezy repos? |
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| 23:47.23 | markybob | AfterDark, https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gftp |
| 23:47.59 | AfterDark | Huh ok. Weird that aptitude can't find it in the repos |
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| 23:49.39 | aceRacer | ah everything so cool now |
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| 23:49.45 | aceRacer | thanks |
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