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| 00:05.17 | MinusFour | hi, i got a question regarding apt-get. When you do apt-get update, it hits the repos for the Packages.gz files right? And those are used keep track of all the packages the repo has right? |
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| 00:06.45 | Brigo | MinusFour, more or less, yes |
| 00:07.54 | MinusFour | Does it keep the previous packages.gz? |
| 00:08.04 | Brigo | MinusFour, no |
| 00:08.32 | rgr | I thought it hit the repos purely for delta files. |
| 00:08.43 | Brigo | MinusFour, it is outdated it points to a unexistent files. |
| 00:08.58 | Brigo | rgr, as i said, more or less :) |
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| 00:09.43 | MinusFour | What reason could it be for a user to get the wrong version that's in the repos after when they do an apt-get upgrade after doing an apt-get update? |
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| 00:10.23 | Brigo | MinusFour, it shouldn't happen, ifaik |
| 00:10.50 | Brigo | MinusFour, what's your problem? |
| 00:11.22 | MinusFour | It's somebody else problem, i just found it curious |
| 00:11.38 | MinusFour | He's having problems upgrading his system |
| 00:11.50 | MinusFour | because it's trying to download a previous version of the package |
| 00:11.54 | MinusFour | which is no longer on the repos |
| 00:12.02 | Brigo | MinusFour, of course not. |
| 00:12.12 | Brigo | he can try to donwload it from snapshot.debian.org |
| 00:12.20 | MinusFour | so I told him to do an apt-get update, to refresh the packages |
| 00:12.27 | MinusFour | but he said he'd done it before and same thing |
| 00:12.49 | MinusFour | it's not actually a debian repo, it's kali |
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| 00:13.01 | Brigo | the old version of the packages from each repo are deleted |
| 00:13.17 | Brigo | that could be a problem :) |
| 00:13.38 | MinusFour | but if he does an update, and the new list contains the new version |
| 00:13.44 | MinusFour | it should be upgrading to this new version right? |
| 00:14.01 | Brigo | MinusFour, in debian, yes, in kali, i think so. |
| 00:14.14 | Brigo | i have never used kali. |
| 00:14.29 | MinusFour | to be honest, the only thing I could think of is that he's behind some proxy cache or something like that |
| 00:14.36 | MinusFour | and it's downloading the old list |
| 00:15.19 | Brigo | or a sync problem in server. Sometimes it happens. |
| 00:16.16 | MinusFour | That too |
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| 00:28.28 | tahr93551 | Hey |
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| 00:29.28 | tahr93551 | How do I get debian to load proprietary drivers during install? |
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| 00:29.48 | tahr93551 | I got a blank, FAT32 formatted USB |
| 00:30.09 | Brigo | tahr93551, you mean non-free ones? |
| 00:30.19 | tahr93551 | /root/firmware-ralink_0.43_all.deb |
| 00:30.28 | tahr93551 | I extracted that .deb |
| 00:30.45 | tahr93551 | I go into the extracted /lib/firmware |
| 00:30.59 | tahr93551 | Do I put all the .bin files into the root of the USB? |
| 00:31.38 | tahr93551 | Or will Debian Installer load the non-extracted .deb as it is? |
| 00:32.15 | Brigo | tahr93551, i heard to say debian install will detect the package and install firmware from there, but i prefer install non-official images with firmware. |
| 00:32.36 | tahr93551 | Okay, thanks |
| 00:32.49 | Brigo | that images, non-official but from debian anyway: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 00:33.02 | tahr93551 | Thanks again :) |
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| 00:33.49 | Brigo | tahr93551, you are wellcome. |
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| 00:51.43 | jaggz- | anyone know how to resolve this? somehow I have a ubuntu package on this system? it's jessie: update-alternatives: warning: skip creation of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so because associated file /usr/lib/nvidia-346/xorg/nvidia_drv.so (of link group x86_64-linux-gnu_gl_conf) doesn't exist |
| 00:53.59 | jaggz- | I was trying to install nvidia-346 .. (not yet sure what to do to get my nvidia working...) I was moving from the old method where debian (non-free) did not have the nvidia 970 support so I had to use their .run |
| 00:54.17 | jaggz- | then I went to an experimental nvidia-352 or something... which was packaged. I might not be recalling this correctly. |
| 00:54.34 | jaggz- | So I ripped out everything and am trying to get the non-free version in place, but having problems |
| 00:55.08 | jpalmer | using wheezy, I've created a bond, mode 1, eth0 and eth1 interfaces as slaves. I then create a bridge with bond0 as a member. I put an IP on the bridge. so far, all is well. everything works. However, when I try to set bond-primary eth0 eth1 so that eth0 is always the active interface in a healthy environment, suddenly everything stops working |
| 00:55.36 | jpalmer | yet, if I do th bond-primary on bond0 without the bridge, all is well. anyone run into this or know of a workaround? |
| 00:56.37 | jaggz- | (actually, it all broke as I was contributing to jessie in testing, and did an upgrade, and... no more X coming up) |
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| 00:57.11 | jaggz- | jpalmer, on bond0 without the bridge? |
| 00:58.03 | jpalmer | jaggz-: if I put the IP on bond0, and get rid of the bridge, bond-primary works as I'd expect. |
| 00:58.41 | jpalmer | I can't seem to find a valid combination of using bond-primary, AND have a bridge with bond0 as it's member |
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| 01:05.16 | jaggz- | unfortunately, while I've done bridging, I've never done bonds |
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| 01:07.01 | jaggz- | jpalmer: what are youb bridging, if you're bonding? |
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| 01:08.58 | jpalmer | jaggz-: the physical server has multiple nics. for redundancy, 2 of the nics are plugged into two different switches. the switch that eth0 is plugged into, should be the primary network. the switch that eth1 is plugged into, should only be used if eth0 fails for some reason. which is why the bond-primary setting needs to be used. on top of that, I'm trying to run kvm and openvz. kvm needs a bridged interface. so I'm trying to make a br0, |
| 01:09.00 | jaggz- | isn't a bridge going to be between interface two interfaces, while a bond to join two interfaces.. |
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| 01:09.22 | jaggz- | so if you're bonding A and B into AB, wouldn't you need a C to bridge AB <--> C ? |
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| 01:10.52 | jaggz- | I see.. it sounds all appropriate, conceptually |
| 01:11.03 | jpalmer | I've never needed to in other distros.. but, being as I'm pretty new to debian... maybe? I would have assumed it would work the same way.. |
| 01:11.18 | jpalmer | of course, building a bond in debian so far has been.. a earning curve. hehe |
| 01:11.24 | jpalmer | learning* |
| 01:12.08 | mi11k1 | I don't know anything about bridging, but I know there's a package called bridgeutils |
| 01:12.24 | mi11k1 | or something |
| 01:12.29 | jaggz- | they've been around a while.. I imagine it's pretty settled.. no good webpages on bonds on bridges [that you've found yet] I guess? |
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| 01:12.47 | jpalmer | I'm still trying to figure out why in /etc/network/interfaces, I add a bond0, tell it "slaves none" and then in the actual eth0 and eth1, is where I set all of the bond-primary, and bond-master stuff. which seems.. backwards. seems like you'd set that on the bond0, and the slaves are just.. dumb devices at that point. |
| 01:12.48 | rabbitear | you create another virtual interface, from the bridge utils, with brctl |
| 01:12.58 | rabbitear | then you give them ip |
| 01:13.26 | jpalmer | rabbitear: one would think it'd be that easy, yes. |
| 01:13.33 | rabbitear | to presist in debian, yeah, something with network/interfaces |
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| 01:13.45 | rabbitear | jpalmer: mine are |
| 01:14.05 | jpalmer | rabbitear: you have a bridge, using a bond as a member, and using bond-primary? |
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| 01:14.27 | rabbitear | I have done it before .. not in awhile |
| 01:14.28 | jpalmer | would you mind pasting your /etc/network/interfaces to a pastebin? maybe I'm missing something stupid simple? |
| 01:14.33 | jpalmer | ahh, ok |
| 01:14.48 | rabbitear | and honestly 'bond-primary' is a word I don't know in that context |
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| 01:15.11 | jpalmer | yeah. without bond-primary, the bridge works. |
| 01:15.20 | pjb | Hi! I've noticed recently that on my debian 7, /proc/cpuinfo only shows one core (I've got 8 on a i7 950), and top doesn't show the multiple cores load anymore either. Since the debian kernel had some Xen option compiled in, I thought it might be it, so I compiled a new kernel without any Xen stuff, but still the same /proc/cpuinfo. How comes? with linux 3.2.68. |
| 01:15.23 | jpalmer | but, then I get traffic on networks I don't want :) |
| 01:15.32 | rabbitear | jpalmer: its interesting, but I have no way to test this now |
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| 01:17.06 | rabbitear | jpalmer: in theory, when you bridge, the two interfaces, become one ... While you are using the bridge |
| 01:17.24 | Kobaz | so i'm trying to install skype i386 on amd64 jessie and i'm running into this dependency crazyness: http://pastebin.com/McgrEj3n |
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| 01:18.23 | jpalmer | rabbitear: I'm pretty aware of the theory. I'm more interested in the reality at this point. lol |
| 01:19.41 | rabbitear | jpalmer: cool, I have no more --real life-- info other then before it worked for me ... I was bridging wlan0 and eth0 together ... simple case |
| 01:19.55 | rabbitear | than |
| 01:20.48 | jpalmer | yep, as I mentioned, a simple bridge with the bond as a member, works. but when I add bond-primary, no go. |
| 01:20.51 | rabbitear | jpalmer: all I did was create the bridge with brctl, then put up the interface, at the time I used ifconfig |
| 01:20.55 | jpalmer | it's ok, I'll keep experiementing. |
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| 01:21.23 | rabbitear | jpalmer: #wireless people talk sometimes |
| 01:21.42 | Kobaz | so, anyone familiar with multi-arch and using i386 on amd64 ? |
| 01:22.15 | rabbitear | debian... you can use apt-get to add i386 |
| 01:22.54 | rabbitear | I'm not on a debian box ... I'd man it, but its soething like --arch i386 |
| 01:23.00 | rabbitear | then you apt-get update |
| 01:23.06 | rabbitear | and it just works Kobaz |
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| 01:25.20 | Kobaz | rabbitear: except for when it doesn't |
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| 01:25.44 | Kobaz | basically i did: dpkg --add-architecture i386; apt-get update |
| 01:25.49 | Kobaz | and then that's when it broke |
| 01:26.07 | Kobaz | http://pastebin.com/McgrEj3n |
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| 01:27.36 | rabbitear | Kobaz: atleast its all the i386 stuff that is not installed |
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| 01:28.50 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 01:28.54 | Kobaz | but i can't get it to install |
| 01:29.02 | rabbitear | Kobaz: honestly I don't know why that is, I'm usually running slackware |
| 01:29.19 | rabbitear | Kobaz: so debian package manager sometimes gets me too |
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| 01:30.25 | Kobaz | i try like, apt-get install libc6:i386 |
| 01:30.31 | Kobaz | and then there's all those same dependencies |
| 01:30.41 | Kobaz | i can usually fix anything dpkg/apt throws at me |
| 01:30.47 | Kobaz | but this one i'm stuck on at the moment |
| 01:31.12 | Kobaz | i took out i386 and i'm doing a dist upgrade first |
| 01:31.14 | rabbitear | apt-get install -f |
| 01:31.24 | rabbitear | no other args... could try |
| 01:31.50 | Kobaz | yeap, that didnt work |
| 01:32.02 | rabbitear | I'm not expert |
| 01:32.10 | rabbitear | in debian |
| 01:32.33 | rabbitear | and most everything thing else ;) |
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| 01:33.04 | rabbitear | not/no |
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| 01:36.05 | Baygon | hi |
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| 01:37.50 | Baygon | i come here because i ve an issue configuring exim4 |
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| 01:38.26 | Baygon | i read in /usr/share/doc/exim4-conf/README.Debian.gz that |
| 01:38.58 | Baygon | i can use /etc/exim4/exim4.conf to put a monolithic config file |
| 01:39.11 | Baygon | and that exim4 will use it verbatim |
| 01:40.05 | Baygon | i just have to stop exim4, put smthng in /etc/exim4/exim4.conf, start exim4 |
| 01:40.13 | Baygon | but when i do this |
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| 01:40.37 | Baygon | the /etc/exim4/exim4.conf file is magically modified |
| 01:41.14 | Baygon | i should maybe not surprised but i am ! (i am quite a newby) |
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| 01:46.28 | centrx | Baygon, Also try #exim |
| 01:46.41 | centrx | Baygon, Also America/Europe daytime has more people |
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| 01:47.34 | mi11k1 | how can i move a window from one xserver to another? |
| 01:47.49 | mi11k1 | like I use x2x to move my mouse and keyboard |
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| 01:57.40 | Baygon | thanks centrx |
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| 02:33.14 | jaggz- | anyone know why my X isn't running? here's the log: http://paste.debian.net/285801/ |
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| 02:33.56 | jaggz- | it runs and "Server terminates successfully" |
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| 03:16.49 | rommel092079 | (rommel092079) I am on debian 7 server. I have uploaded my html files ang images both on bmp and jpg files but only bmp files can be load while jpeg images on html are not. Is there any setting that i need to update? |
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| 03:21.45 | equa | rommel092079: check the file permission. ls -l |
| 03:22.22 | rommel092079 | Permission on where? |
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| 03:22.52 | equa | rommel092079: go to the directory where you uploaded the files. do ls -l |
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| 03:28.01 | tdignan | I fixed a bug in the udhcpd package. How do I go about getting my change submitted? |
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| 03:29.55 | rommel092079 | chmod -R 777 /var/www/ |
| 03:30.30 | equa | rommel092079: you don't need 777. that's dangerous. just +r(read) is good enough |
| 03:31.14 | rommel092079 | 666? |
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| 03:32.34 | equa | rommel092079: just do "chmod +r *" in the directory or chmod +r your jpg files. *.jpg *.jpeg |
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| 03:33.30 | toothe | anyone use Chromium? See if Google Hangouts works for you. |
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| 03:36.23 | rommel092079 | Still my image has as question mark icon |
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| 03:37.15 | equa | rommel092079: do you have the correct file name of the image in your html? |
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| 03:40.36 | toothe | how do I add the CHromium backports? |
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| 03:41.24 | equa | toothe: are you on jessie? |
| 03:41.32 | toothe | I think...how do I check? |
| 03:41.40 | rommel092079 | equa does jpg and JPG matters? |
| 03:41.43 | vpGreen | uname -a |
| 03:41.54 | equa | toothe: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 03:42.10 | equa | rommel092079: in linux, yes |
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| 03:42.39 | toothe | I'm on Jessie, yes |
| 03:42.51 | equa | toothe: follow the instruction for jessie |
| 03:43.05 | toothe | found it...lets try this |
| 03:43.32 | rommel092079 | Tnx. That resolves it |
| 03:43.37 | equa | np |
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| 03:52.43 | toothe | yeah, Chromium is still crashing |
| 03:52.52 | toothe | rather, Chromium doesn't work with Google Hangouts |
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| 04:22.00 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Recently my modem/router gateway appears to have died. I didn't know how to check my internet connection on my Debian system. I don't have a nifty little icon I can right click on my taskbar to check it. So, what commands do I need to know to check my internet connection in the future, if there are any? Tia. |
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| 04:49.14 | bieyeik2aX | Lady_Aleena: are you here? |
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| 04:51.24 | Lady_Aleena | bieyeik2aX, yes. |
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| 04:52.51 | Freebuilder | debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-standard.iso |
| 04:52.57 | Freebuilder | The user password not "live". |
| 04:53.05 | bieyeik2aX | about your question. I think you need to know about: ifup, ifdown, ip or ifconfig |
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| 04:53.47 | Lady_Aleena | bieyeik2aX, I will look into them. |
| 04:54.19 | bieyeik2aX | ok Lady_Aleena |
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| 04:55.15 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, in the man for ifup is a command called ifquery, but I get command not found. Weird. |
| 04:55.31 | bieyeik2aX | Lady_Aleena: if you learn the basic about networks, then you will be able to handle common problems. |
| 04:55.55 | Lady_Aleena | bieyeik2aX, such as? |
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| 04:57.44 | bieyeik2aX | Lady_Aleena: such as dns, dhcp, nat, some firewall (iptables or a more easy interface to it like firehol) |
| 04:58.17 | Lady_Aleena | bieyeik2aX, will those give me a headache reading them on Wikipedia? |
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| 05:00.42 | x86_64 | thinks GitGud is drunk or something. |
| 05:00.49 | x86_64 | dont IRC while drunk |
| 05:00.59 | GitGud | irc is srs bznz |
| 05:01.06 | bieyeik2aX | Lady_Aleena: I think if you want to start with something, you should know how to configure your interfaces, firewall (firehol is really easy), and test test and test |
| 05:02.04 | Lady_Aleena | bieyeik2aX, two nights ago, I just wanted to see why I couldn't load pages into my browser. |
| 05:02.10 | themill | x86_64: wrong channel? |
| 05:03.24 | swift110-phone | Hwllo all |
| 05:03.37 | bieyeik2aX | Lady_Aleena: nice start. I think it's a good start solving that kind of problems. |
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| 05:03.41 | bieyeik2aX | hello swift110-phone |
| 05:04.22 | bieyeik2aX | Lady_Aleena: so, do you solve the problem? |
| 05:04.39 | Lady_Aleena | bieyeik2aX, we bought a new modem/router. |
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| 05:05.05 | swift110-phone | How r u bieyeik2ax |
| 05:05.34 | bieyeik2aX | good, and you? |
| 05:05.58 | Freebuilder | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=102937 |
| 05:06.23 | swift110-phone | Great |
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| 05:06.42 | swift110-phone | What made u decide to use debian? |
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| 05:08.12 | Lady_Aleena | swift110-phone, I was going to go with Mint, but was persuaded to use Debian instead. |
| 05:08.29 | swift110-phone | Hmm i use Linux mint |
| 05:08.47 | bieyeik2aX | Lady_Aleena: here is a practical resume about networks, https://wiki.debian.org/Network. |
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| 05:10.07 | Lady_Aleena | Does Debian ship these pages with Debian so they are available offline? |
| 05:10.28 | bieyeik2aX | swift110-phone: for me debian is easy to use and configure. Aptitude is such a fantastic program to manage your applications |
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| 05:11.20 | bieyeik2aX | Lady_Aleena: I don't know. Need to check documentation. |
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| 05:15.00 | bieyeik2aX | Lady_Aleena: if you want https://debian-handbook.info/ , you can install 'debian-handbook' package. |
| 05:15.41 | Dildeaux | check out the debian themesong |
| 05:15.46 | bieyeik2aX | Lady_Aleena: debian-reference is another useful package |
| 05:15.56 | bieyeik2aX | Dildeaux: where? |
| 05:16.02 | Dildeaux | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cqy4-vCo0M |
| 05:17.31 | bieyeik2aX | Lady_Aleena: https://packages.debian.org/stable/doc/ |
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| 05:18.41 | Lady_Aleena | Are debian-handbook and debian-reference searchable? |
| 05:19.51 | shibly | Does gnome 3 has gnome-panel ? |
| 05:20.19 | bieyeik2aX | Lady_Aleena: all documentation is installed in /usr/share/doc |
| 05:21.24 | Lady_Aleena | bieyeik2aX, which means? |
| 05:22.11 | bieyeik2aX | Lady_Aleena: means you can find debian-handbook there |
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| 05:24.30 | Lady_Aleena | Oh boy...are all the docs in .gz files? |
| 05:27.02 | bieyeik2aX | Lady_Aleena: most of them in pdf or plain text |
| 05:27.14 | Dildeaux | Tired of niggers? |
| 05:27.17 | Dildeaux | Sick of their monkeyshines? |
| 05:27.22 | Dildeaux | We are too! |
| 05:27.26 | Dildeaux | Join Chimpmania Forum! |
| 05:27.31 | Dildeaux | http://www.chimpmania.com/forum |
| 05:27.39 | Dildeaux | At Chimpmania, WE ARE NOT WHITE SUPREMACISTS! |
| 05:27.44 | Dildeaux | I myself am a Mexican! |
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| 05:27.59 | Dildeaux | Basically, if you are NOT A NIGGER and you HATE NIGGERS, we welcome you with open arms! |
| 05:28.05 | Dildeaux | Join Chimpmania today! |
| 05:28.12 | Dildeaux | CHIMPMANIA IS THE NEW HOME OF CHIMPOUT FORUM! |
| 05:28.17 | Dildeaux | Join Chimpmania Forum today! |
| 05:28.22 | trrmn8r | ... |
| 05:28.22 | Dildeaux | http://www.chimpmania.com/forum |
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| 05:47.58 | Nectur | Hello |
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| 05:48.43 | BurgerIsFreedom | I just installed debian 8.1 from DVD1 on a T500 and the wifi card needs a driver |
| 05:48.45 | bieyeik2aX | hello Necturc |
| 05:50.21 | Nectur | I'm not sure how i can go about adding the ability to display Japanese characters in Debian(mostly for websites and some subtitles) i found an old article(2007 |
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| 05:50.53 | equa | BurgerIsFreedom: usb or pci wifi card? |
| 05:51.21 | BurgerIsFreedom | internal, so pci |
| 05:51.32 | BurgerIsFreedom | lenovo thinkpad t500 |
| 05:51.33 | Nectur | 0 about installing a bunch of packages canna freewnn-jserver kinput2 but not sure if it is still a valid way to go |
| 05:51.49 | equa | do lspci -nn and give me the info on your wifi |
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| 05:53.08 | Nectur | Any assistence would be appreciated :) |
| 05:54.01 | BurgerIsFreedom | equa, Intel Pro/Wireless 5100 AGN |
| 05:54.19 | equa | BurgerIsFreedom: give me the pci id as well |
| 05:55.30 | BurgerIsFreedom | 03:00.0 [0280] or [8086:4237] ? |
| 05:56.02 | equa | BurgerIsFreedom: it's the 8086:4237. easier to just paste.debian.net the whole thing for me next time |
| 05:56.33 | BurgerIsFreedom | can't paste it with no network connection :-D |
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| 05:57.55 | BurgerIsFreedom | admits that BurgerIsFreedom could use the sneakernet or ethernet |
| 05:58.01 | equa | BurgerIsFreedom: you need firmware-iwlwifi from non-free. take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi. if you need help or question, just ask. |
| 05:58.14 | BurgerIsFreedom | much appreciated |
| 05:58.35 | equa | np |
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| 06:03.55 | arash | Hello, I just did a fresh install of Debian 8. The only problem is I can't play any sound with Iceweasel. Can I get some help? |
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| 06:07.45 | Nectur | i got it to work by installing ttf-kochi-mincho font, thanks for the help :) |
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| 06:13.37 | daniel-s | Hi |
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| 06:14.21 | daniel-s | From the time that a ciritical vulnerability is discovered and patched upstream, how long is it likely to take for Debian security to provide the updated .deb package? |
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| 06:54.46 | BurgerIsFreedom | how can I download a package with apt-get, verify it via GPG key as usual, but not install it? I need the .deb file |
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| 06:56.26 | themill | BurgerIsFreedom: both aptitude and apt-get can do that |
| 06:57.06 | BurgerIsFreedom | ...the man page for apt-get is really long... lol, I'll read it. |
| 06:58.05 | themill | /download |
| 06:58.39 | giuseppe_ | hello everyone... can somebody help me... with a problem about power management ? I had in the apst xfce and managed with a GUI window all the settings... now i have i3 WM, although xfce is still installed, i manage the login with gdm3, and i have systemd installed.... i 've managed to put a screensaver with xautolockm but don't know what is causing after some time (don't know precisely how much) my wifi to |
| 06:58.39 | giuseppe_ | disconnect, how can i know what is causing this ? |
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| 07:13.11 | BurgerIsFreedom | does debian.org block VPNs / TOR nodes, etc? |
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| 07:19.38 | BurgerIsFreedom | I get <p>You are not allowed to access this!</p> when I visit debian.org |
| 07:20.12 | BurgerIsFreedom | wait, just wiki.debian.org |
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| 07:26.08 | ggherdov | Hello. I just used the netinstall image to install debian on my machine, but couldn't setup the network connection during the install. So I have only the basic system and utilities now. I now have setup the internet connection, and I'd like to install all I missed, like a desktop environment, development tools, etc. How do I tell apt to install "groups" of |
| 07:26.09 | ggherdov | packages? |
| 07:27.38 | ohithere | ggherdov: you might be able to just run `tasksel' |
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| 07:28.10 | ohithere | ggherdov: https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 07:28.27 | ggherdov | ohithere: that's very nice, thanks |
| 07:28.42 | ohithere | ggherdov: you're welcome |
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| 07:37.11 | BurgerIsFreedom | sources.list is no longer the place for adding a repo... where is the current place? is it possible to use a repo that isn't in the list temporarily? |
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| 07:37.48 | BurgerIsFreedom | maybe I am going about this problem wrong |
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| 07:52.23 | ohithere | BurgerIsFreedom: it isn't? |
| 07:52.53 | ohithere | BurgerIsFreedom: You could always add fragments into sources.list.d/blah.conf |
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| 07:56.42 | Somelauw | Does anyone what's wrong with my sources configuration https://pastee.org/4ta54 I'm getting "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs 7638D0442B90D010" |
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| 08:07.19 | vlad_ | ha nerds |
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| 08:07.30 | vlad_ | >not joining fedora |
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| 08:08.09 | vlad_ | no but seriously why are people on debian |
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| 08:08.38 | nimo | hi, default debian ssh server key for identification is ecdsa... can someone confirm? |
| 08:08.47 | nimo | i used to think that ed25519 is the standard |
| 08:09.14 | nimo | debian j8 jessie (notice) |
| 08:09.56 | nimo | new installation |
| 08:09.58 | vlad_ | what do you think about the amount of sjw's in debian |
| 08:10.40 | Hydroxide | nimo: I think it's rsa but honestly I'm not sure. the only jessie machines I have access to right now are upgraded from wheezy or don't have sshd :) |
| 08:10.58 | vlad_ | rsa? |
| 08:11.02 | nimo | rsa? upgrade your confiugrations... |
| 08:11.10 | Hydroxide | nimo: no, not rsa1 :) |
| 08:11.18 | nimo | still, rsa is slow |
| 08:11.25 | nimo | try curve ed25519 |
| 08:11.42 | nimo | btw i'm not sure i get ecdsa by default.. make no sense |
| 08:11.52 | nimo | maybe it's a client side problem |
| 08:11.53 | Hydroxide | nimo: in practice none of this matters in terms of speed - it's just initial/periodic negotiation for symmetric session keys for long-lived sessions |
| 08:12.11 | nimo | Hydroxide: right, still, if you connect by old machines you will see that rsa is slow |
| 08:12.14 | Hydroxide | nimo: speed is dwarfed by the duration of the session |
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| 08:12.38 | nimo | ok but, that's ecdsa make no sense |
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| 08:12.52 | vlad_ | what do you guys think about squid girls |
| 08:12.55 | nimo | it's not a default in openssh, and is not the last ident line in sshd_confifig |
| 08:13.00 | vlad_ | like young squid girls |
| 08:13.15 | nimo | so why i get ecdsa O_o |
| 08:14.12 | Hydroxide | vlad_: not sure what you mean by sjw's ... anyway, what are you trying to ask here? if you have general questions about what people's reasons are for using debian, sure, reasonable thing to ask. but criticism of the decision to use debian doesn't belong in a Debian user support channel. people have valid reasons to use pretty much any widely used distro. |
| 08:14.37 | Hydroxide | nimo: one moment, I'll check the openssh-server post-install script to see what it does by default on new installation |
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| 08:14.52 | nimo | Hydroxide: if you really want a default configuration i can give you. |
| 08:15.38 | Hydroxide | nimo: looks like jessie's openssh-server package generates rsa, dsa, ecdsa, and ed25519 in that order if none exist |
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| 08:15.48 | nimo | they're there |
| 08:15.58 | Hydroxide | nimo: and it lists them in that order in the sshd_config file |
| 08:16.11 | nimo | i agree |
| 08:16.30 | nimo | this is why is weird |
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| 08:16.54 | vlad_ | Hydroxide: Isn't this debian general? And by sjw's I mean annoying feminists |
| 08:17.22 | Hydroxide | nimo: according to the sshd_config(5) man page, for ssh protocol 2 the server prefers dsa then ecdsa, then ed25519, then rsa. so maybe it depends on what the client will accepts |
| 08:17.23 | Somelauw | Does anyone what's wrong with my sources configuration https://pastee.org/4ta54 I'm getting "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs 7638D0442B90D010" |
| 08:17.32 | nimo | Hydroxide: O_o |
| 08:17.43 | Hydroxide | vlad_: if you have political disagreements with debian, #debian is not the right place to discuss them, no. this is a user support channel. |
| 08:17.46 | nimo | DSA??? |
| 08:17.52 | nimo | Hydroxide: that's a weird man page you're reading |
| 08:18.13 | Hydroxide | nimo: it's the standard jessie man page. I'm going to now check the OpenSSH usptream man page to see if it's the same |
| 08:18.28 | vlad_ | Hydroxide: Sorry, just wanted users opinion |
| 08:18.59 | Hydroxide | nimo: the upstream OpenSSH man page on openssh.com says the same thing. |
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| 08:19.09 | nimo | man |
| 08:19.11 | Hydroxide | nimo: but |
| 08:19.13 | nimo | it doesn't say what you say |
| 08:19.17 | nimo | give a second read |
| 08:19.19 | Hydroxide | nimo: it also mentions a HostKeyAlgorithms option |
| 08:19.26 | Hydroxide | nimo: which restricts what is actually served |
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| 08:19.47 | Hydroxide | err, HostKeyAlgorithms is in the upstream one, not the jessie one |
| 08:20.10 | Hydroxide | it looks to me like I'm reading it right |
| 08:20.19 | nimo | nope |
| 08:20.22 | nimo | there is no order of preference in man |
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| 08:21.25 | Hydroxide | nimo: it's ambiguous, we're interpreting the language differently. check the source code if you want to for sure know what's actually happening :) |
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| 08:21.28 | nimo | btw if i ssh -v i get some inconsistent output |
| 08:21.50 | nimo | https://paste.debian.net/285851/ |
| 08:22.07 | nimo | key exchange is curve 25519 |
| 08:22.12 | nimo | but then server host key is ecdsa |
| 08:22.14 | Hydroxide | Somelauw: what version of debian are you running? a typical debian machine will have the public key for debian's archive |
| 08:22.17 | nimo | i think there is something wrong with debian at this point |
| 08:22.37 | nimo | client don't ask what key want to server i think |
| 08:22.37 | Hydroxide | nimo: I honestly doubt debian is doing anything different here than other distros with the same openssh version |
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| 08:25.09 | nimo | maybe is a bug with my ssh client |
| 08:25.26 | nimo | i'll try to self-ssh on the debian machine |
| 08:25.32 | Hydroxide | nimo: look at the man page for ssh_config(5) (the client config) |
| 08:25.40 | Hydroxide | nimo: both upstream and in debian it prefers ecdsa first |
| 08:25.44 | nimo | i think there is no order of preference by client |
| 08:25.46 | nimo | but i'm not sure |
| 08:25.50 | Hydroxide | nimo: there is. it's in the man page. |
| 08:25.56 | Somelauw | ah, okay. I wanted to upgrade to pure debian from an outdated derivative. I do not know if it will succeed, but I thought about just tryin to add the debian repositories in place might work. If it fails, I can always start again from a live cd. |
| 08:26.01 | Hydroxide | nimo: and upstream and debian both put ecdsa first. |
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| 08:26.25 | nimo | wow... |
| 08:26.29 | nimo | i don't know.. |
| 08:26.36 | nimo | but it's ecdsa localhost too |
| 08:26.37 | Hydroxide | Somelauw: ah. you can try doing it, but you'll hvae to first download a current debian-archive-keyring package from debian - try going to http://packages.debian.org/debian-archive-keyring and hope you're not man-in-the-middled |
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| 08:27.14 | Hydroxide | nimo: yes. every recent version of openssh from any distro or from upstream prefers ecdsa first unless the local configuration, the command line, or a distro patch requests otherwise. |
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| 08:27.23 | Somelauw | Hydroxide: do people ever get man-in-the-middled here? |
| 08:27.34 | nimo | Somelauw: here? |
| 08:27.47 | nimo | Hydroxide: can you paste here what line of th eman page say that? i don't get it |
| 08:27.50 | Hydroxide | Somelauw: I don't know where you are - it depends on that more than on anything else. |
| 08:27.51 | El_Presidente | hi, im hosting 3 wordpress and one joomla installation for some friends and at the moment the only way to allow them updating their software i need 666 / 777 rights, what would you recommend me to do to get down to a more reasonable right management? |
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| 08:28.25 | Hydroxide | nimo: http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=ssh_config&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+8+jessie&format=html&locale=en - search for HostKeyAlgorithms |
| 08:28.25 | nimo | El_Presidente: what kind of upgrade? by script? or by local rewrite? |
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| 08:28.48 | Hydroxide | nimo: the man page states that those are listed "in order of preference" and states the default value |
| 08:28.54 | El_Presidente | nimo, via the website |
| 08:29.01 | Hydroxide | nimo: and nothing in /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst specifies otherwise |
| 08:29.30 | Hydroxide | nimo: you can see the same text in the current upstream man page at http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-current/man5/ssh_config.5?query=ssh_config&sec=5 |
| 08:29.49 | nimo | ok now i see, you're right |
| 08:29.58 | nimo | i missed ssh_config man |
| 08:30.12 | nimo | that's weird, i'm really used to ed25519 |
| 08:30.24 | nimo | probably i disabled ecdsa myself and i don't remember |
| 08:30.32 | El_Presidente | nimo, i would need www-data as group but this is problematic i guess? |
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| 08:30.49 | nimo | not sure what you're saying |
| 08:31.01 | Hydroxide | nimo: if you want a different default on the client, you can configure it with any of the normal ways to override an ssh client-side config option. It looks like the equivalent control for the server was added upstream after jessie, assuming the man page matches the capabilities. if you want to disable ecdsa on the server in jessie I guess you can simply remove those host keys. |
| 08:31.02 | nimo | it's the group of www daemon? |
| 08:31.10 | El_Presidente | nimo, yes |
| 08:31.30 | nimo | why you think that change things at all? |
| 08:31.36 | nimo | by default group can not even write |
| 08:31.56 | nimo | if you used to give w to others it's a problem |
| 08:32.07 | nimo | and yeah, w to group was enough i think |
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| 08:32.30 | nimo | still i don't think scripts should be allowed like that to write stuff |
| 08:34.20 | Hydroxide | El_Presidente: it's tricky to do better rights management on a shared server. one way might be to use separate virtual hosts or URL prefixes for each person, and configure your web server to use suexec to change user before executing their code |
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| 08:35.07 | Hydroxide | El_Presidente: and then leave them responsible for keeping their copies of wordpress or joomla up to date (but be a responsible server admin and scan periodically for out of date copies so that you can nag them from time to time - maybe also subscribe to their security announcement mails so that you can hear of major issues) |
| 08:35.14 | El_Presidente | Hydroxide, you would recommend suexec? |
| 08:35.21 | nimo | El_Presidente: it's a not a debian question btw |
| 08:35.49 | Hydroxide | El_Presidente: if it's configured correctly you don't need to have shared groups or 666/777 permissions |
| 08:36.11 | El_Presidente | Hydroxide, then i will look into that ty :) |
| 08:36.15 | Hydroxide | nimo: how to install suexec can be a debian question. I will at least share the relevant wiki page though I agree we can't spent a lot of time handholding the specifics |
| 08:36.54 | Hydroxide | El_Presidente: hm. don't see a wiki page, but check the debian archive for packages with suexec in their names - many of them have files like /usr/share/doc/<package name>/README.Debian |
| 08:36.59 | Hydroxide | with useful guidance |
| 08:37.08 | El_Presidente | Hydroxide, you helped me a lot ty |
| 08:37.12 | Hydroxide | and also relevant package descriptions in your favorite package description reader of choice. |
| 08:37.15 | Hydroxide | good luck! |
| 08:37.18 | El_Presidente | ty |
| 08:37.38 | ggherdov | is there a version of the debian netinstall that includes non-free drivers? I was setting up my laptop and noticed the netinstall doesn't have drivers for my intel wifi card. |
| 08:37.50 | Hydroxide | ggherdov: yes |
| 08:38.02 | Hydroxide | ggherdov: the download page links to an unofficial .iso with those included |
| 08:38.12 | ggherdov | Hydroxide: very sweet thanks |
| 08:38.26 | Hydroxide | ggherdov: you can also use the official iso and provide the drivers on a USB flash drive or SD card or your hard drive. the official installer will look for those if needed |
| 08:38.37 | ggherdov | right |
| 08:38.42 | Hydroxide | ggherdov: the installation manual indicates where to download the firmware tarball and you can then just extract it to the root of the other drive |
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| 08:38.56 | ggherdov | Hydroxide: ok |
| 08:38.57 | Hydroxide | ggherdov: the firmware download may also be directly linked from the main download page |
| 08:39.30 | Hydroxide | hm, I don't see the unofficial one on the download page any more |
| 08:39.32 | Hydroxide | so use the other method :) |
| 08:40.28 | ggherdov | :) |
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| 08:47.45 | Somelauw | ggherdov: You found it? I don' see them. |
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| 08:57.23 | Somelauw | I found them on Google, but not from the Downloads page |
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| 09:31.24 | ggherdov | Somelauw: oh. Didn't look for that, it was on my todo. I had already chosen to use my other laptop as a router (with a patch ethernet cable) until I could get the wifi drivers from a package repository |
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| 09:44.00 | nkuttler | TyrfingMjolnir: doesn't it come with a man page? |
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| 09:44.52 | TyrfingMjolnir | Yes |
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| 10:06.16 | Petrov | how can i install the package firmware-realtek? |
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| 10:07.42 | jelly | dpkg, tell Petrov about non-free sources |
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| 10:11.39 | Petrov | jelly, thx but i have not access to internet |
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| 10:13.55 | jelly | Petrov: no wired internet anywhere near? |
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| 10:15.16 | jelly | Petrov: then visit packages.debian.org on some other machine, find and download the version of firmware-realtek .deb binary package for your installation, and transfer it using an usb stick or something |
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| 10:16.08 | Petrov | jelly, ok no problem, but how can i install that .deb binary package? |
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| 10:17.16 | jelly | Petrov: with the low-level dpkg tool |
| 10:17.22 | Petrov | jelly, dpkg -i name.deb? |
| 10:17.25 | jelly | yes |
| 10:17.42 | Petrov | jelly, ok thx! |
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| 10:32.40 | snakeyman66 | guys I want to move to kodi 15 on Jessie 8.10 whats the best path roll my own âcompileâ or debian multimedia repo. |
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| 10:39.08 | snakeyman66 | kodi anyone |
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| 10:45.42 | bazhang | ,v kodi |
| 10:45.43 | judd | Package: kodi on amd64 -- stretch: 14.2+dfsg1-2; sid: 14.2+dfsg1-2; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo1b1; sid-multimedia: 5:15.0-dmo1 |
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| 10:46.00 | bazhang | snakeyman66, see above |
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| 10:46.53 | snakeyman66 | using the repo or just download ing using dpkg -i |
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| 10:47.24 | bazhang | why do you need the very newest |
| 10:47.34 | snakeyman66 | I tried the repo and it tried to install 14.2 repack with |
| 10:47.44 | snakeyman66 | I wanted the new chapter points |
| 10:47.51 | snakeyman66 | with errors |
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| 10:56.03 | krasimir | ha all . how do I troubleshoot a usb wifi card that is recognized , but shows no wifi networks |
| 10:56.16 | krasimir | I am running it in vbox |
| 10:56.32 | krasimir | the card works fine under windows |
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| 10:59.12 | Brigo | krasimir, may be wifi cards cannot actually work in vbox |
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| 10:59.59 | krasimir | i doubt it as it shows in the devices list |
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| 11:01.45 | Brigo | krasimir, ok, let see. Do you have the firmware installed, if needed? |
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| 11:03.16 | momomo | i ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, then I am asked to configure fucking grub.. I selected keep local one ( because it has been modified probably by server company, i don't know ) .. but then I am asked what disc I should install grub on ... if I choose wrong, then server might no start .. this is why I don't ever fucking upgrade! fucking stinks! thanks ubunutu! it's better to just leave fucking shit as is. http://s1.postimg.org/4e42r6gni/Sc |
| 11:03.21 | momomo | reenshot_from_2015_07_25_13_01_01.jp |
| 11:03.37 | momomo | http://s1.postimg.org/4e42r6gni/Screenshot_from_2015_07_25_13_01_01.jp |
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| 11:06.38 | jelly | momomo: or just prepare in advance and have console access |
| 11:07.12 | momomo | prepare in advance? i have console access. I can't even cancel the installation, i get this: http://postimg.org/image/qu7alfag1/ |
| 11:07.23 | momomo | even though I choose in a previous step to keep the local grub |
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| 11:08.04 | momomo | when I hit cancel, it gives me this: http://postimg.org/image/qu7alfag1/ |
| 11:08.10 | momomo | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:08.14 | jelly | momomo: that question asked about the config file, not the installation of boot loader. Is this debian at all? |
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| 11:08.32 | momomo | ubuntu |
| 11:08.36 | momomo | ubuntu 14 server |
| 11:08.49 | momomo | but hte boot loader, should be on the boot partion ? |
| 11:08.54 | jelly | oh, then ask in #ubuntu-server or #ubuntu, not here |
| 11:08.56 | momomo | i have one |
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| 11:09.04 | momomo | but it is based on debian, is it not? |
| 11:09.22 | Brigo | let me guess |
| 11:09.27 | Brigo | !based on debian |
| 11:09.27 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 11:09.31 | jelly | momomo: yes it is, but we can't help you with derivatives as we don't know what they might have changed |
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| 11:24.39 | g00se | Curious thing with stable mlocate - looks like it's bust. Have run updatedb and 'locate 8163' (looking at IMG_8163.jpg in Thunar and listing it in console) turns up zilch. The directory shouldn't (and apparently isn't) in prunepaths - so what gives?? |
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| 11:25.44 | jelly | g00se: the directory tree up to and including the directory that file is in need to basically be r+x for everyone |
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| 11:26.19 | g00se | Hmm |
| 11:26.26 | jelly | g00se: that means /home/goose as well as subdirs |
| 11:26.52 | jelly | / and /home are set correctly by default, so they're usually not an issue |
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| 11:29.03 | g00se | Oooh |
| 11:29.03 | g00se | drwx------ 101 richard richard 12288 Jan 14 2013 /home/richard/Pictures/ |
| 11:29.13 | g00se | That's not normal - is it? |
| 11:29.55 | Brigo | g00se, no, it isn't |
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| 11:30.27 | Brigo | -rw-rw-r-- 1 jfa jfa 293888 dic 20 2010 /home/jfa/APPCC.doc |
| 11:30.40 | g00se | Someone's been fiddling ;) |
| 11:31.42 | Brigo | i wouldn't call it fiddling, it will be quite difficult to restore right permissions. |
| 11:31.44 | loongson | hi there. I've got this radxa board that is working very well, but I would like to completely move from stable 3.10 kernel to the unstable 4.0+ kernels. Within Debian's repo I found linux-image-armmp which I believe should work on the radxa rock2_square board because it has 4 32-bit armv7 cores within it. What's odd is when I change the sources.list to unstable and update dist-upgrade, it installed the kernel 4.0+ armmp version in |
| 11:31.44 | loongson | the /boot directory, but the radxa rock2_square board is not using it yet because the rockchip update_flash tool flashes to another area not part of the usual / directory. I would like for the board to ignore the usual place it boots from and let it boot from the usual Linux boot directory. The other thing is that the rockchip flash tool is meant to be flashing from an intel box through usb through either windows/linux to the board |
| 11:31.44 | loongson | itself. I am not aware of a tool to allow me to flash the board from board itself. |
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| 11:33.07 | g00se | Well certainly changing the perms to the same as my own has solved the locate issue, so thanks folks |
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| 11:33.41 | Brigo | loongson, i think there is some arm-debian channel, let me check. |
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| 11:34.51 | Brigo | loongson, yes, there is a #debian-arm in oftc network |
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| 11:34.58 | Brigo | loongson, you can try there. |
| 11:35.41 | Brigo | loongson, and check the topic of that channel ;) |
| 11:36.10 | mIRC32 | U can stfu |
| 11:36.29 | mIRC32 | sorry i just got microwaved |
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| 11:36.45 | mIRC32 | I did not mean to say that |
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| 11:44.58 | guzu | hello |
| 11:45.08 | guzu | where can i find isos for debian 6 and debian 7? |
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| 11:51.15 | BluesKaj | Howdy folks |
| 11:51.21 | guzu | found, thanks |
| 11:51.35 | guzu | it was in some faq |
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| 12:08.48 | sgo11 | hi, I run the command ls /sys/class/leds/*/brightness | xargs -i -n1 echo "echo 0 > {}" | sh manually. it works. but if I add it to /etc/rc.local before exit 0 and then reboot, it does not work. why? thanks. |
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| 12:09.52 | neXyon | hi, is there a naming convention for libraries? I am the developer of a library called audaspace which is written in C++, it also has bindings for c and python and I'm trying to figure out names for these libraries. I originally had caudaspace and pyaudaspace but that doesn't work so well if you want to do ls /usr/lib/libaud*.so for example (yeah /usr/lib/lib*audaspace.so would work but a prexis is better than suffix eg. when looking at |
| 12:09.53 | neXyon | an alphabetically sorted list of libraries eg.) |
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| 12:18.20 | at0m | neXyon: i'd go to irc.oftc.net, for example #debian-devel |
| 12:18.32 | at0m | here's for support, dev happens there iiuc |
| 12:18.54 | at0m | also #debian-next (for testing) is on oftc |
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| 12:33.30 | s1ng | why might apt-get update just quit after "Reading package lists... Done" ? |
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| 12:37.21 | valdyn | s1ng: why not? |
| 12:37.39 | s1ng | valdyn, ? i'd like it to update stuff |
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| 12:38.07 | valdyn | s1ng: read the manpage |
| 12:38.23 | s1ng | that sounds boring |
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| 12:39.59 | neXyon | at0m: for #debian-devel I need to be invited |
| 12:40.10 | LicencedUser | I'm trying to render this site 24/7 on a raspberry pi2. http://dashingdemo.herokuapp.com/sample Which browser would be best for this in terms of CPU usage? |
| 12:40.42 | LicencedUser | Icewesal is at 80-95% of 1 CPU core all the time, just rendering this in fullscreen at 320*240 |
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| 12:42.26 | hexnewbie | LicencedUser: Buy a 16 core Xeon? Might help with JavaScript-heavy pages :) |
| 12:42.39 | neXyon | at0m: oh wait, different server |
| 12:42.52 | hexnewbie | LicencedUser: That's visible on my gkrellm even on a desktop computer |
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| 12:44.13 | rasca1 | How do I get back to the graphical install after switching to a virtual terminal? |
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| 12:46.09 | hexnewbie | LicencedUser: iceweasel is using 15-20% CPU constantly on your page. Seems unreasonable. Chromium does it in 6-10%. Konqueror does in it 4-9% |
| 12:46.21 | LicencedUser | hexagoxel: lol. Yeah, it's noticeable with top on my i5 as well |
| 12:46.50 | LicencedUser | thanks, I'll look into chromium |
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| 12:47.42 | LicencedUser | I like how iceweasel has a kiosk plugin but at 2* the cpu usage that's not worth it |
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| 12:49.12 | hexnewbie | A little known fact, but Intel released the Xeon processors series for the purpose of running Iceweasel. |
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| 12:49.34 | at0m | rasca1: Ctrl-Alt-F2 ? (try F1-F8) |
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| 12:50.07 | rasca1 | I was trying to see why I couldn't add a particular mirror during a Debian 8 install and now I can't get back to the graphical screen. |
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| 12:53.00 | rasca1 | at0m: Yeah, it doesn't work. That gets me into a busybox environment. |
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| 12:53.32 | rasca1 | None of them returm me to the graphical install. |
| 12:53.44 | at0m | rasca1: not sure, but 'exit' ? |
| 12:54.05 | rasca1 | "Press Enter to activate this console" |
| 12:54.11 | rasca1 | It's an infinite loop. |
| 12:54.18 | at0m | and go over the Ctrl-Alt-F[1-12] |
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| 12:55.17 | rasca1 | Nope. They are all text consoles. |
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| 12:57.10 | CQ | hello... I'm trying to fix the middle button on my laptop... it's scrolling, and I want it to paste / click, plain and simple. xinput shows the wheel emulation at 0, but it still seems to do it... anyideas? |
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| 12:58.06 | rasca1 | at0m: Don't worry about it. I'll ask on debian-user mailing list. I was just hoping for a quick answer. |
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| 13:00.14 | LicencedUser | hexagoxel: chromium is rendering it with 50-70% CPU and another thread at 9% CPU (probably because I put it in fullscreen) |
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| 13:00.32 | LicencedUser | that's much better than firefox |
| 13:00.32 | hexagoxel | hexnewbie: ^ |
| 13:00.54 | LicencedUser | my bad |
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| 13:02.34 | Petrov | i have installed Package: firmware-realtek (0.43) dpkg -i name.deb but it doesn't work. someone an idea? |
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| 13:03.08 | Elirips | Hello. Is there some grub option to tell grub to: If booting fails, try next time the next entry in menu.lst? probably not, or.. ? |
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| 13:10.19 | veverak | guys, I have data stored on two hdds in RAID 1... what is proper way to setup two PCs in a way, that when one for some reason fails.., second can access those HDDS ? |
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| 13:12.43 | jelly | veverak: there's no special setup, just connect the remaining device to a working computer, assemble(start) the partial md raid array and use it |
| 13:13.01 | veverak | I mean automatically |
| 13:13.02 | veverak | :D |
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| 13:14.04 | veverak | idea is that I have server with some virtuals |
| 13:14.26 | veverak | and would really like to decrease the chance that it will not be online |
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| 13:14.56 | veverak | so given that there is not big load, I thought about setuping two pcs |
| 13:15.02 | Brigo | veverak, do you want to share the disk between computers? |
| 13:15.12 | veverak | and when one fails, second should be able to do it's job |
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| 13:15.24 | veverak | which with virtuals is easy, I just launch the virtuals on second machine |
| 13:15.32 | veverak | but, how to properly share HDDs with data? |
| 13:15.41 | veverak | Brigo: not exactly |
| 13:15.41 | jelly | veverak: shared storage is a complex issue. |
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| 13:15.59 | veverak | Brigo: I just want share data between two computers for case when one goes offline |
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| 13:16.11 | veverak | and yeah, obvious solution is to share the disk between computers |
| 13:16.19 | veverak | jelly: yeah |
| 13:16.19 | Brigo | veverak, then why are you talking about a raid1? |
| 13:16.27 | veverak | because that is my setup? |
| 13:16.31 | veverak | and because I was thinking |
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| 13:16.50 | veverak | what if I would ... connect each hdd from that raid to different PC |
| 13:16.54 | veverak | and make the raid over network |
| 13:16.57 | veverak | *made |
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| 13:17.15 | veverak | that way, when one PC fail second have access to the data, but question is |
| 13:17.24 | veverak | how much performance issues I could have with this? |
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| 13:19.49 | jelly | veverak: then you also need either: cluster services to make sure only one machine uses the shared resource at a time, or: cluster services _and_ a distributed filesystem type |
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| 13:20.14 | veverak | I know |
| 13:20.15 | jelly | preformance might vary, but complexity rises exponentially |
| 13:20.38 | veverak | but given that I've got every service in virtual, I suppose I can pull this off withou big hassle? |
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| 13:21.04 | veverak | I mean, checking if second machine is running and when it's not run virtuals that are on it |
| 13:21.07 | veverak | should be doable |
| 13:21.12 | Brigo | veverak, i would try to sync the data, not the entire disk. |
| 13:21.22 | jelly | veverak: I don't know what your definition of "big hassle" is. If you haven't set up clusters before, it's big hassle. |
| 13:21.30 | cast | there's a not uncommon ironic situation that manifests with clusters in real life, one can end up with a less reliable system because of the increased complexity. something to keep in mind |
| 13:21.30 | Brigo | veverak, yes, high avalability technics |
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| 13:21.41 | cusco | I believe iscsi is widely used for storage servers |
| 13:21.50 | veverak | well |
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| 13:21.59 | veverak | to be honest this is not device ment to be in production |
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| 13:22.48 | veverak | making two-device cluster in a way "backup PC starts the services when main pc goes to hell" |
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| 13:23.07 | veverak | sounds like something I should be able to eventually create |
| 13:23.11 | jelly | veverak: that's a fairly typical two node active-passive cluster setup |
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| 13:23.24 | veverak | yeah, exactly |
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| 13:23.43 | veverak | althought I was thinking that I would run 1/2 of virtuals on first one, second 1/2 on second one |
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| 13:24.04 | veverak | because, I can imagine when the "passive" one is not used chances that it will fail too is raised |
| 13:24.28 | veverak | and setup made of virtuals allow me to somehow lower the chances I hope :) |
| 13:24.36 | jelly | veverak: if they share a storage backend, active-active is LOTS more complicated |
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| 13:24.51 | veverak | jelly: yeah, but |
| 13:25.00 | veverak | jelly: i don't share storage between virtuals |
| 13:25.05 | jelly | irrelevant |
| 13:25.07 | veverak | so each storage is used only from one server |
| 13:25.09 | cast | over what interface do you want to access these files? |
| 13:25.13 | veverak | second just mirror it? |
| 13:25.16 | cast | eg: nfs, http, s3 |
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| 13:25.27 | veverak | cast: well, nfs was what first crossed my mind... |
| 13:25.57 | jelly | there used to be a #linux-ha channel for this kind of discussion |
| 13:26.05 | veverak | anyway, the more compluicated the better |
| 13:26.08 | bertrik | hi, I'd like to get read-write access to sd cards with debian unstable / xfce, but I only get read-only access, can someone help me fix this? |
| 13:26.08 | veverak | at least I will learn something |
| 13:26.10 | veverak | :) |
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| 13:27.15 | aedinius | bertrik: filesystem? how are you mounting it? |
| 13:27.33 | Brigo | bertrik, the usual problem is a dirty filesystem, did you check logs? |
| 13:27.44 | cast | veverak: could even go down the object store path with openstack's swift, it's relatively simple |
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| 13:27.47 | bertrik | aedinius: vfat, I mounting it by selecting the drive in thunar |
| 13:27.58 | veverak | cast: I see |
| 13:28.03 | bertrik | I see fmask and dmask are 0022 |
| 13:28.05 | veverak | but yeah |
| 13:28.18 | veverak | "distributed filesystem" gives me a lot of hints, so I will check them :) |
| 13:28.25 | bertrik | I also tried enabling the automount options |
| 13:28.54 | bertrik | Brigo: yes, at some point it was dirty, I ran fsck.vfat on it, and now it no longer complains |
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| 13:31.44 | bertrik | oh, I think I solved it, there was apparently an old rule for /dev/sdb in /etc/fstab, removed that and now I can write. |
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| 13:43.39 | Anoneemo | Hi. I'm trying to install Debian but it says something like "determining release codename failed" after the disk partitioning phase, so basically in the phase that starts to install the system |
| 13:43.46 | Anoneemo | what's wrong? |
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| 13:49.49 | dariopnc | hello everyone, I have some wifi problems with my jessie pc. connection is unstable and I cannot tell what's wrong, can someone help me? |
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| 13:52.04 | dariopnc | here's the output of the wireless-script found in the ubuntu forums, it should contain many relevant infos http://paste.debian.net/285916/ |
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| 13:55.28 | mtn | dariopnc, it is possible this might help: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#Troubleshooting |
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| 13:57.03 | dariopnc | mtn, thank you! I suppose those options are specific for rtl8192ce (I have rtl8821ae), do you think I should give it a try? |
| 13:57.36 | mtn | dariopnc, I think it might apply to your card, too. worth trying I would think |
| 13:58.33 | dariopnc | ok, I'll try right now |
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| 14:02.29 | dariopnc | mtn, I was trying when I realized I saw something about module parametrs in the log I posted earlier. I found that it's already set fwlps:N & ips:N, which I suppose equals to 0 |
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| 14:23.08 | hypermist | how can i install ldconfig ? |
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| 14:23.16 | Kobaz | apt-file search ldconfig |
| 14:23.37 | Kobaz | will get you the package... but i would be really surprised it's not on your system already |
| 14:23.56 | Kobaz | /sbin/ldconfig |
| 14:24.07 | hypermist | apt-file search ldconfig = apt-file command not found |
| 14:24.32 | Kobaz | ldconfig is part of libc-bin |
| 14:24.32 | Kobaz | do you have an embedded system? |
| 14:24.36 | hypermist | ah i have libc-bin installed |
| 14:24.42 | hypermist | im just trying to solve an error with a program |
| 14:24.50 | hypermist | And im googling the heck out of it but can't fix it |
| 14:24.51 | Kobaz | hypermist: you could install apt-file |
| 14:24.54 | Kobaz | it's a pretty awesome tool |
| 14:25.07 | Kobaz | apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update |
| 14:25.41 | hypermist | hah installed |
| 14:25.56 | hypermist | collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 14:25.56 | hypermist | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.10 | Kobaz | that's the entire error? |
| 14:26.18 | Kobaz | there's gotta be more than that |
| 14:26.22 | hypermist | thats where it errors off and dies |
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| 14:26.41 | Kobaz | usually the screen or two before will give you an indication as what went wrong |
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| 14:27.20 | hypermist | just lots of undefined references |
| 14:27.23 | Kobaz | well |
| 14:27.25 | Kobaz | that'll do it |
| 14:27.35 | hypermist | for leveldb |
| 14:27.37 | Kobaz | there's your problem |
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| 14:28.19 | Kobaz | you're not going to find anything googling for ld returned 1 |
| 14:28.29 | Kobaz | because it'll return an error condition if something didn |
| 14:28.38 | hypermist | even searchign with leveldb it aitn helping |
| 14:28.47 | Kobaz | 't work. And then you'll need all the back logs to determine the why |
| 14:29.04 | Kobaz | it'll probably help to pastebin your whole log |
| 14:29.37 | hypermist | one sec trying something to see if it fixed it |
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| 14:34.42 | hypermist | http://pastebin.com/0rPxfHVv Kobaz this is for bitcoin related stoof but since i couldn't find anything on google i thought i'd come er |
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| 14:41.15 | cybrNaut | hypermist: i can't see that page. WebCott blocks it because it uses facebook |
| 14:41.26 | cybrNaut | pastebin is lousy |
| 14:41.37 | cybrNaut | it's tor-hostile, and facebook friendly |
| 14:41.50 | hypermist | cybrNaut, lol where do i past then? |
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| 14:42.28 | cybrNaut | https://privatepaste.com/ |
| 14:42.36 | cybrNaut | or http://sprunge.us |
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| 14:42.45 | cybrNaut | and i think debian.org has a paste function |
| 14:42.45 | mtn | http://paste.debian.net |
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| 14:43.27 | hypermist | http://paste.debian.net/285918/ cybrNaut there ye go |
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| 14:44.02 | cybrNaut | now i feel obligated to have the answer |
| 14:44.46 | cybrNaut | no idea, maybe try #bitcoin |
| 14:44.52 | cybrNaut | i never heard of coincoin |
| 14:45.04 | hypermist | hah yea just launched |
| 14:45.17 | cybrNaut | if you just need a wallet, there is electrum |
| 14:45.51 | hypermist | its not for bitcoin its coincoin a new coin |
| 14:46.43 | cybrNaut | ah, well in that case it's a shame that electrum is not alt-currency-agnostic |
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| 14:47.03 | cybrNaut | in principle you wouldn't want a separate tool for each kind of wallet |
| 14:47.53 | hypermist | You can make it altcurrency |
| 14:47.59 | hypermist | But you get to pullyour hair at also |
| 14:48.00 | hypermist | out 8 |
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| 14:50.07 | cybrNaut | there are like 50 different kinds of alt-coin currencies now. One wallet app should really handle all of them, and have a pull-down menu to select the alt-coin from a list for each ledger |
| 14:50.27 | hypermist | over 50 |
| 14:50.28 | hypermist | >-> |
| 14:50.34 | hypermist | waaay over 50 |
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| 14:52.08 | cybrNaut | in any case, it's more than we need |
| 14:53.07 | cybrNaut | there are probably only a dozen different significant ways to configure the blockchains |
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| 14:56.32 | Kobaz | hypermist: there's an issue with the source tree |
| 14:56.39 | Kobaz | leveldb is a library inside that bitcoin app |
| 14:56.43 | Kobaz | and it's missing those functions |
| 14:57.37 | Kobaz | hypermist: leveldb::WriteBatch::WriteBatch() doesn't exist, as well as a number of other functions |
| 14:57.45 | Kobaz | hypermist: that's what that paste it saying |
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| 14:58.04 | hypermist | it may because of not having libdb4.8 |
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| 14:58.22 | hypermist | can i ahz halp with that |
| 14:58.22 | hypermist | ? |
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| 14:58.53 | Kobaz | that's not the issue |
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| 14:59.05 | Kobaz | you can link against libraries that don't have their own dependencies resolved |
| 14:59.10 | Kobaz | that's allowed |
| 14:59.26 | hypermist | It could be the issue |
| 14:59.32 | hypermist | I even just asked another coindev |
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| 14:59.47 | hypermist | that it may have certain things in libdb that it wants to pull for leveldb |
| 15:00.17 | Kobaz | that's not how ld works |
| 15:01.10 | bieyeik2aX | hello, I'm on debian testing. This message appear every time I do install, remove, or update any package: https://paste.debian.net/285921/. Why is this happening to me?. ^_^ |
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| 15:02.00 | Kobaz | hypermist: where do you get anything on libdb? there's no references to libdb anywhere in that paste |
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| 15:02.13 | Kobaz | you have an internal source issue, you should contact the maintainer/developers of the package |
| 15:02.39 | hypermist | Kobaz, probably not but. eh ohwell |
| 15:02.44 | hypermist | others have no issue building it |
| 15:02.47 | hypermist | So im doing somethign wrong |
| 15:02.51 | Kobaz | possibly |
| 15:02.56 | Kobaz | maybe not all of the package is extracted |
| 15:03.05 | Kobaz | maybe something was put in the wrong location |
| 15:03.10 | Kobaz | could be any number of things |
| 15:03.15 | Kobaz | maybe you have an incomplete download |
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| 15:21.40 | Skyrider | I wonder if it is wise for me to switch from windows to linux. |
| 15:21.45 | Skyrider | as desktop |
| 15:21.55 | Kobaz | sure |
| 15:22.09 | Kobaz | linux has been my main desktop for 15+ years |
| 15:22.26 | Skyrider | Ya.. but the problem is that the software I use, are mostly windows software. |
| 15:22.44 | Skyrider | and I highly doubt that my steam chat logger (only for windows) will work properly under WINE with steam. |
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| 15:23.29 | Kobaz | well |
| 15:23.34 | Kobaz | for me, i also have a windows machine |
| 15:23.36 | Kobaz | for that sort of thing |
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| 15:24.26 | Kobaz | or get a nice fast machine and run a windows vm |
| 15:24.29 | Kobaz | which i also do |
| 15:24.40 | Skyrider | Waste of memory if you ask me. |
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| 15:25.43 | BluesKaj | I have an old HDD that I put W7 on in case i need it for something , which is very seldom |
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| 15:26.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Is there a program that one can use to mass-check (look into) and delete pdf files? I have ~200 from chromium in ~/Downloads and I guess I can delete 90% of them |
| 15:29.17 | Skyrider | and I know this is a debian channel.. but I'm about to reinstall my VPS Server.. should I install debian 8 or go with another one? I bet most will fav, with debian.. |
| 15:29.26 | Skyrider | But might be worth it to askl |
| 15:29.28 | Skyrider | **ask |
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| 15:30.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... I'd always go with debian if I have the choice :) it's mainly because I already know my way around, though... I haven't evaluated if it's "better" and in what regards for quite some time now |
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| 15:32.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Skyrider, you didn't even say what your requirements are and what the other choices are... so... definitely debian :) |
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| 15:39.41 | Skyrider | CutMeOwnThroat: Debian or ubuntu :p |
| 15:39.47 | Skyrider | Debian 8 or Ubuntu 15.04 |
| 15:40.09 | Skyrider | I have both minimal installations. As for requirements, server side.. php/mysql, I prefer always latest version.. but also stable. |
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| 15:51.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Skyrider, so... totally-untested-off-the-bench, but also tested-for-10-months-by-a-team-of-1000-monkeys? |
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| 15:57.51 | Skyrider | Understandable.. |
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| 15:58.03 | Skyrider | But some software (of which are properly tested) are not on debian at all. |
| 15:58.07 | Skyrider | Unless you compile it yourself. |
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| 16:00.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | mainly non-free ones... I saw the default repository of centos/fedora... crazy how little packages there are |
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| 16:08.31 | e7th04sh | Hi. If I create a debian boot usb, will I be able to install additional software on that usb later on? |
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| 16:11.41 | zykotick9 | e7th04sh: the regular debian ISOs are install images... check out http://live.debian.net/ it can be customized, or maybe you can install software? I've never tried. Good luck. |
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| 16:12.54 | e7th04sh | Yes, I was thinking of the live debian. |
| 16:13.08 | e7th04sh | I want to be able to make changes to the system as if it was the regular system. |
| 16:13.28 | e7th04sh | In fact what I want is to install debian on the usb the same way it would be installed on normal drive. |
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| 16:14.36 | sivik | e7th04sh: as long as you can boot from the usb, I don't see why that wouldn't be a problem. |
| 16:15.01 | sivik | https://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 16:15.17 | sivik | That might help you e7th04sh |
| 16:15.17 | e7th04sh | sivik I am reading about "persistence" at the moment. |
| 16:15.27 | e7th04sh | Should I use the install image to install the os on the usb, instead of dd'ing the live debian onto it? |
| 16:15.38 | sivik | yea, I would install just like a normal drive |
| 16:15.49 | sivik | but read that howto, it should be super helpful for what you are trying to do |
| 16:16.00 | e7th04sh | ok, thank you. |
| 16:16.28 | knivsta | hi |
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| 16:17.08 | e7th04sh | well there ain't much information on that howto, but I think the process shouldn't be complicated anyways |
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| 16:28.07 | martin-_- | hi |
| 16:28.18 | martin-_- | i wrongly removed my bin folder to my backup folder!! |
| 16:28.38 | martin-_- | now i cant move the bin folder back because the command mv is not found |
| 16:28.42 | martin-_- | :'( |
| 16:29.08 | BluesKaj | sudo ? |
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| 16:30.24 | martin-_- | im already root |
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| 16:31.21 | martin-_- | this is the product system damnnn i messed up really hard |
| 16:31.39 | dariopnc | do you know the path? you can just issue path/to/file/mv path_to_backup path_to_bin |
| 16:32.02 | martin-_- | ah yes i know the path |
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| 16:33.03 | sivik | martin-_-: did you try rsync? |
| 16:33.05 | martin-_- | thanks dariopnc you saved my life |
| 16:33.19 | martin-_- | didn't thought of that :=) |
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| 16:37.56 | sivik | mv is not the only command to use when trying to mv/copy files |
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| 16:38.08 | nimo | hey, if you want to chroot in debian and use apt, is binding dev/pts so important? |
| 16:38.32 | nimo | i get some issue but it's just noise... seems not a real problem.. someone can confirm or give a better explaination? |
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| 16:41.52 | martin-_- | nimo, can i use chroot to work with an newer kernel then the bootet system loaded? |
| 16:42.07 | sivik | anyone have any issues with debian and flash only playing for a few seconds and then just stopping |
| 16:42.12 | msn | i am trying to setup sssd on debian jessie but when i run pam-auth-updateI get a lot of Use of uninitialized value $fieldname in hash element at /usr/sbin/pam-auth-update line 689, <PROFILE> line 1. |
| 16:42.13 | msn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.20 | nimo | if you chroot you're not booting the machine |
| 16:42.20 | sivik | in 3 browsers, chrome, chromium, and firefox |
| 16:42.36 | sivik | msn: I have no problems with debian jessie on an ssd |
| 16:42.36 | nimo | martin-_-: so there is no kernel switch or something like that |
| 16:42.48 | sivik | msn: what format are you using for the disk? |
| 16:43.02 | msn | not ssd but sssd |
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| 16:43.24 | em | s |
| 16:43.28 | em | hello |
| 16:43.34 | sivik | wtf is an sssd? I though maybe you put too many s's on it |
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| 16:44.03 | msn | nah sssd = System Security services a replacement for nslcd/nss/pam-ldap/pam-ldapd/pam-kerberos |
| 16:44.21 | sivik | so its almost AD for linux. Very nice. I have never used it |
| 16:44.46 | msn | it connects to all of them + can receive ssh keys from ldap and can get sudo information too |
| 16:45.02 | valdyn | sivik: more like something like pam |
| 16:45.25 | sivik | valdyn: but it handles ldap and AD, so its an interesting thingy. I'm going to have to read about it |
| 16:45.34 | valdyn | sivik: yes, pam does that too |
| 16:45.50 | sivik | valdyn: Yea, true, but this looks like it does more than just pam |
| 16:45.57 | sivik | so that can be more helpful. |
| 16:45.57 | valdyn | sivik: mind, i use sssd, and i like it, but it provides few that is really new |
| 16:46.07 | msn | valdyn: but pam doens't do ssh keys |
| 16:46.10 | msn | and sudo |
| 16:46.22 | msn | ofcourse nslcd does sudo |
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| 16:46.31 | msn | or sudo-ldap |
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| 16:47.59 | martin-_- | i try to install all samba4 dependencies is there an easy way to few all requrired packages? |
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| 16:48.08 | martin-_- | btw. i have to compile them |
| 16:48.23 | valdyn | martin-_-: apt-get build-dep samba |
| 16:49.09 | msn | martin-_-: apt-get install samba does install samba4.1 |
| 16:49.21 | martin-_- | I can't use apt-get to build samba because the sparc machine got a custom netgear firmware |
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| 16:51.08 | msn | sivik: sssd handles pam/nss/sudo/autofs/ssh |
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| 17:17.44 | sivik | And the video in the browser problem is fixed. I had conflicting audio programs trying to overwrite each other |
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| 18:19.46 | ploc | can anyone give me a good howto on how to use anacron? |
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| 18:21.03 | centrx | ploc, Same as cron except it handles machines that may have downtime during the schedule |
| 18:21.55 | ploc | centrx: ok, I know, but Iwhen I look at /etc/anacron, I can read @monthly15cron.monthlyrun-parts --report /etc/cron.monthly |
| 18:22.04 | ploc | does anacron run cron jobs also ? |
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| 18:22.20 | ploc | where do I have to declare my jobs in order to get executed once a month |
| 18:22.38 | centrx | ploc, crontab -e |
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| 18:23.25 | parsonsd | interesting. the anacrontab does mention that it replaces cron's entries. |
| 18:23.42 | ploc | centrx: if I declare my job with 'crontab -e' with the @monthly tag, will my job be executed each month event if my machine is off from the 1st to the 5th of the month ? |
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| 18:24.10 | centrx | ploc, Right |
| 18:24.14 | ploc | parsonsd: as far as I understand, anacron take some cron jobs : @xxxxx |
| 18:24.30 | ploc | the regular jobs declared in crontab are stille executed by cron |
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| 18:24.53 | ploc | a job must not be executed twice : one time by cron, one time by anacron, if the machine is on |
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| 18:25.23 | parsonsd | ploc, i recall tinkering with it a while ago, but got confused. i don't think i ever went back to figure it out. it's nice to revisit. |
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| 18:25.41 | ploc | # These replace cron's entries 15cron.dailyrun-parts --report /etc/cron.daily 710cron.weeklyrun-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly @monthly15cron.monthlyrun-parts --report /etc/cron.monthly |
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| 18:25.54 | Zeeflo | Hello. I am installing 7.8 with netxen nx3031 network interfaces (fiber 1/10gbps) - I am using firmware CD's, but these cards are not enabled/detected ? Can someone point me in the right direction? |
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| 18:30.20 | at0m | Zeeflo: look for firmware-netxen .deb in your repo and put it on a stick |
| 18:31.51 | ploc | a useful howto : http://www.it.uc3m.es/marcos/doc/miniHOWTOs/miniHOWTO-Use_anacron_as_non-root_user.html |
| 18:32.34 | parsonsd | ploc, thanks. will read |
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| 18:34.46 | TyrfingMjolnir | I'm trying to set my plantronics as default PCM |
| 18:34.55 | TyrfingMjolnir | I have managed to set it as sysdefault |
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| 18:35.01 | TyrfingMjolnir | It's obviously not the same |
| 18:35.23 | TyrfingMjolnir | No sound on hw( 0,0 ) when playing stuff from youtube |
| 18:35.32 | TyrfingMjolnir | in iceweasel |
| 18:35.41 | sivik | TyrfingMjolnir: are you using alsa or pulseaudio? |
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| 18:35.46 | TyrfingMjolnir | alsa |
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| 18:36.02 | TyrfingMjolnir | Attempting to install steam |
| 18:36.05 | sivik | try installing pulseaudio, it gives you better control over devices |
| 18:37.12 | TyrfingMjolnir | There are no advice regarding pulseaudio for steam |
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| 18:49.45 | FemaleAnon | what command is used to verify debian packages? i thought it was gpg under the root account but i was wrong |
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| 18:52.16 | nkuttler | FemaleAnon: try https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 18:53.18 | TJ- | FemaleAnon: see debsig-verify |
| 18:53.38 | FemaleAnon | umm.... I get <p>You are not allowed to access this!</p> when I try to visit wiki.debian.org |
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| 18:55.10 | centrx | Works here |
| 18:55.26 | FemaleAnon | yeah I think it blocks my IP |
| 18:55.28 | sivik | debian wiki works fine for me. |
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| 18:55.39 | sivik | Ok, try through a proxy and see what happens FemaleAnon |
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| 19:12.33 | TyrfingMjolnir | I need help setting default sound card |
| 19:13.31 | TyrfingMjolnir | aplay -L output: http://termbin.com/3xz1 |
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| 19:13.50 | TyrfingMjolnir | Can I blacklist those that are not named Headset? |
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| 19:15.33 | TyrfingMjolnir | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.37 | hexnewbie | TyrfingMjolnir: Are you using PulseAudio? And why doesn't setting pcm.!default and ctl.!default in ~/.asoundrc for you? |
| 19:15.41 | TyrfingMjolnir | No |
| 19:16.22 | TyrfingMjolnir | pcm.!default and ctl.!default in ~/.asoundrc set sysdefault |
| 19:16.24 | TyrfingMjolnir | not default |
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| 19:16.49 | TyrfingMjolnir | AFAIK |
| 19:17.19 | TyrfingMjolnir | I have also managed to move the Headset to 0,0 using udev |
| 19:17.26 | TyrfingMjolnir | Still did not affect default |
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| 19:18.02 | hexnewbie | Well, I am always lost in ALSA TBH. I have pcm.default and pcm.!default in my .asoundrc, and one of them used to work. |
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| 19:18.36 | hexnewbie | PA saved me from these headaches, though |
| 19:18.45 | TyrfingMjolnir | PA? |
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| 19:18.52 | TyrfingMjolnir | What does PA do? |
| 19:18.52 | hexnewbie | PulseAudio |
| 19:18.58 | TyrfingMjolnir | I know |
| 19:19.09 | TyrfingMjolnir | It's some sort of skype thing, no? |
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| 19:19.48 | nkuttler | TyrfingMjolnir: it's a sound daemon. if you don't know about it you probably don't need any of it's features |
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| 19:20.30 | TyrfingMjolnir | edia.org/wiki/PulseAudio#/media/File:Pulseaudio-diagram.svg |
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| 19:20.54 | TyrfingMjolnir | There is no mention of pulse audio in the setup of steam or firefox |
| 19:21.05 | nkuttler | TyrfingMjolnir: you don't need it for either |
| 19:21.07 | TyrfingMjolnir | I would just like to change my default audio output |
| 19:21.36 | nkuttler | TyrfingMjolnir: you can do that with an asoundrc |
| 19:21.36 | TyrfingMjolnir | Can I blacklist the HDMI and motherboard drivers? |
| 19:21.47 | TyrfingMjolnir | I have asoundrc |
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| 19:21.56 | sivik | I use pulsaaudio so I can easily use the same audio device on multiple apps |
| 19:22.06 | TyrfingMjolnir | I use /etc/asound.conf |
| 19:22.23 | nkuttler | TyrfingMjolnir: so just set the card there |
| 19:22.29 | TyrfingMjolnir | I did |
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| 19:25.00 | nkuttler | TyrfingMjolnir: aplay -l |
| 19:25.12 | TyrfingMjolnir | aplay -L output: http://termbin.com/3xz1 |
| 19:25.16 | nkuttler | TyrfingMjolnir: aplay -l |
| 19:26.02 | TyrfingMjolnir | aplay -l: http://termbin.com/ot8z |
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| 19:27.08 | TyrfingMjolnir | What I would like is for default to be an alias of sysdefault:CARD=Headset |
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| 19:27.31 | nkuttler | TyrfingMjolnir: fwiw, there is an #alsa channel |
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| 19:29.26 | OneSploit | Hi |
| 19:29.29 | OneSploit | I get this error http://paste.debian.net/285992/ |
| 19:29.33 | OneSploit | any clues how to fix this? |
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| 19:55.04 | ErtanERBEK | hi all |
| 19:55.16 | ErtanERBEK | I have one problem with my debian keyring system |
| 19:55.27 | ErtanERBEK | anyone can help me about this issue |
| 19:56.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | ErtanERBEK, hi, just go ahead and elaborate |
| 19:56.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | if someone knows, they'll answer. |
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| 19:57.06 | ErtanERBEK | my any aplication do not ask me any root password |
| 19:57.26 | ErtanERBEK | example if I want connect to any SSID via Network Manager |
| 19:57.44 | ErtanERBEK | then network manager do now ask me any SSID password or root password for configuration |
| 19:58.07 | ErtanERBEK | also |
| 19:58.30 | ErtanERBEK | Eduard_Munteanu, do you have any idea ? |
| 19:59.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | ErtanERBEK, have you already entered a password for those SSIDs? |
| 19:59.59 | ErtanERBEK | no |
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| 20:00.30 | ErtanERBEK | also when any software need root permission for open also that software not ask me or tell wrong authantication |
| 20:01.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | ErtanERBEK, did you alter the default configuration in any way? |
| 20:01.41 | ErtanERBEK | I change my root password after instalation |
| 20:01.51 | transhuman | figured I would ask here if I accidentally wiped first 1000MB of a disk and I have created another disk with same install with same layout. Only uuid and lvmid's are different. I then copied the proper uuid to grub.cfg and am looking to copy proper lvmid where do i get the lvmid from? |
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| 20:02.35 | hexnewbie | ErtanERBEK: What's that other program requiring root permissions? |
| 20:02.56 | ErtanERBEK | Eduard_Munteanu, for example if I want open /usr/bin/gufw ( iptables manager ) and trl unlock then software tell to me wrong identifaction |
| 20:03.20 | ErtanERBEK | how I don't know but my debian authantication system have some problem |
| 20:03.25 | ErtanERBEK | also I try delete keyring db |
| 20:03.36 | ErtanERBEK | but not change |
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| 20:04.22 | hexnewbie | Were you on Debian when those worked? |
| 20:05.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | transhuman, the LVM ID for what? The PVs? I don't think you really need those. |
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| 20:05.45 | transhuman | in order to properly identify the disks because It was a copied boot volume |
| 20:05.58 | transhuman | so the lay out is the same just the uuid's and lvmid's |
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| 20:07.01 | p0inter | hello |
| 20:07.11 | hexnewbie | ErtanERBEK: gufw uses polkit to get root access. You should look into your polkit's configuration. Perhaps the GUI for your DE got uninstalled or something |
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| 20:07.46 | ErtanERBEK | hexnewbie, what you think about my other problem |
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| 20:07.51 | hexnewbie | ErtanERBEK: I have two polkit processes running: polkitd, and KDE's auhtentication agent. Your DE might do something similar: ps uax | fgrep polkit |
| 20:08.05 | ErtanERBEK | netowrk managet don't ask me any password for ssıd connection |
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| 20:08.30 | hexnewbie | Maybe it's also polkit related - I use wicd, not network manager, and I believe it does not use polkit. :) |
| 20:08.39 | ErtanERBEK | root 1218 0.0 0.0 281764 7964 ? Ssl 22:46 0:00 /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd --no-debug |
| 20:08.40 | hexnewbie | er, my wicd doesn't, have no idea about NM |
| 20:08.58 | hexnewbie | ErtanERBEK: What is your desktop environment? |
| 20:09.02 | ErtanERBEK | debian |
| 20:09.12 | ErtanERBEK | debin 8.1 + gnome |
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| 20:10.11 | hexnewbie | ErtanERBEK: Do you have policykit-1-gnome installed? Try running /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 |
| 20:10.52 | hexnewbie | ErtanERBEK: By the way, I am not completely familiar with polkit. My only experience with it is raising the file watch limit of my desktop search |
| 20:11.03 | hexnewbie | ErtanERBEK: So I probably can't help you further than that |
| 20:11.11 | ErtanERBEK | hexnewbie, ii policykit-1 0.105-8 amd64 framework for managing administrative policies and privileges |
| 20:11.11 | ErtanERBEK | ii policykit-1-gnome 0.105-2 amd64 GNOME authentication agent for PolicyKit-1 |
| 20:11.26 | ErtanERBEK | I don't remmember when I installed that |
| 20:11.38 | ErtanERBEK | but yes that already installed to my system |
| 20:11.41 | hexnewbie | Gnome should install it :) |
| 20:11.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | transhuman, I think you just need to add the PVs to the new VG |
| 20:12.05 | hexnewbie | The issue is that polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 is not running (or it seems so) |
| 20:12.27 | transhuman | ok will that change grub.cfg? |
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| 20:12.35 | ErtanERBEK | hexnewbie, I think this problem accour duw root password change |
| 20:12.56 | hexnewbie | ErtanERBEK: Did you change the password just now? Without restarting X or anything? |
| 20:13.09 | ErtanERBEK | I know why I experince this problem but I am not have any idea about how I can fix :( |
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| 20:13.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | transhuman, oh, you're booting straight from LVM? |
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| 20:13.53 | transhuman | yes |
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| 20:14.07 | ErtanERBEK | I experince same problem last year with fedora, I use diffrent password at instalation time for root user after instalation I change and experince very very smiler problem |
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| 20:14.26 | transhuman | this was my first machine built with lvm, mistake puting boot volume on it for sure |
| 20:14.31 | hexnewbie | ErtanERBEK: Have you rebooted since you changed the password? |
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| 20:14.39 | ErtanERBEK | yes |
| 20:14.40 | BurgerIsFreedom | how can I restart mate without restarting the system? |
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| 20:14.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | transhuman, vgdisplay will show you the VG UUID, not sure if that's what you need |
| 20:15.05 | hexnewbie | ErtanERBEK: So it's not an intermittent issue... Strange. Have you done anything else? |
| 20:15.06 | transhuman | ok i will try that thanks |
| 20:15.13 | ErtanERBEK | but this problem just affect this account |
| 20:15.19 | ErtanERBEK | why I don't know |
| 20:15.29 | ErtanERBEK | if I open new user then all system work perfectly |
| 20:16.11 | ErtanERBEK | I think this problem source key store system |
| 20:16.20 | ErtanERBEK | also I delete keyring db |
| 20:16.26 | ErtanERBEK | but problem occure :) |
| 20:16.39 | ErtanERBEK | I will go crazy |
| 20:16.41 | ErtanERBEK | :) |
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| 20:16.55 | hexnewbie | ErtanERBEK: My uneducated guess: The polkit agent is not starting for this user (works for others). Could be anything - including desktop theme causing an agent crash |
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| 20:17.25 | hexnewbie | ErtanERBEK: keyring DB as in Gnome Keyring? |
| 20:17.43 | ErtanERBEK | hexnewbie, yes polkit runing with root user |
| 20:17.48 | ErtanERBEK | yes gnome-keyring |
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| 20:18.54 | hexnewbie | ErtanERBEK: not polkitd, but polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 |
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| 20:19.27 | hexnewbie | ErtanERBEK: Do you have this running with other user accounts? |
| 20:19.32 | ErtanERBEK | hexagoxel, I just see at ps aoutput " root 17104 0.0 0.0 281552 7832 ? Ssl 23:09 0:00 /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd --no-debug " |
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| 20:20.34 | hexnewbie | ErtanERBEK: What error does this command give you: /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 |
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| 20:21.24 | BurgerIsFreedom | my icons just disappeared on my desktop in mate... anyone know what process I should be restarting? |
| 20:21.26 | ErtanERBEK | hexnewbie, "e-diablo@homless:~$ /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 |
| 20:21.26 | ErtanERBEK | ** (polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:6739): WARNING **: Unable to register authentication agent: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject |
| 20:21.26 | ErtanERBEK | Cannot register authentication agent: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject |
| 20:21.26 | ErtanERBEK | " |
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| 20:21.50 | BurgerIsFreedom | debhelper, that was rude |
| 20:22.05 | hexnewbie | Bots are rude |
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| 20:30.45 | lasdam | anyone here aware of rogue apt autoremoving of packages? for example I have no idea how my Pidgin package was removed, I never did apt-get remove pidgin or whatever, but yet I had to reinstall it today I believe because I removed some completely unrelated package a few days ago |
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| 20:32.05 | lasdam | and I've seen this pattern many times before so that I've become scared to remove and consequently reduce my number of installs of packages using apt |
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| 20:34.39 | e-diablo_ | hexnewbie, http://pastebin.com/bX1ipHEP |
| 20:34.43 | e-diablo_ | what you think about that |
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| 20:35.21 | hexnewbie | e-diablo_: Is that the same or another user? |
| 20:35.34 | e-diablo_ | another user not get that error |
| 20:35.39 | TheQuestionmark | I'm new to the land of remote controls on PCs. Can I use an universal remote with a USB IR receiver from a cheap remote to communicate with Linux? So far, I can tell the actual thing is using /dev/input. |
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| 20:36.10 | e-diablo_ | also I don't get that error after gnome --replcae command |
| 20:36.26 | e-diablo_ | my opinion one services effect that system |
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| 20:37.39 | hexnewbie | e-diablo_: What are the *other* user's polkit related processes (i.e. ps aux | fgrep polkit) |
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| 20:38.43 | e-diablo_ | I will open new user, but how I can login that user via gnome wihtout logout this or at same time |
| 20:38.51 | bastones | lasdam: The only thing I can think of that might be related is whether apt might remove packages that depend on another package that is being removed. I wonder whether apt would remove other packages (e.g. pidgin) that depends on it. |
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| 20:39.41 | bastones | I could be totally wrong though. |
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| 20:42.05 | transhuman | its great I can manage to crash my debian desktop every time just by bringing up my yahoo mail...good old yahoo |
| 20:42.14 | e-diablo_ | hexnewbie, I get same error with other user |
| 20:42.30 | BurgerIsFreedom | transhuman, in your browser or ? |
| 20:43.18 | Azumamagus | Qiit |
| 20:43.20 | Azumamagus | Quit |
| 20:43.21 | BurgerIsFreedom | transhuman, i chroot and use an unprivileged user for my browser... |
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| 20:43.38 | transhuman | yup firefox every time |
| 20:43.51 | transhuman | its in a vm |
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| 20:44.12 | transhuman | not sure yet if its kvm on debian or if its the ubuntu guest |
| 20:44.19 | transhuman | will find out soon |
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| 20:46.20 | lasdam | bastones: hmm ok, but there must be at least one more "layer" or whatever to this, as I'm quite sure I did not explicitly remove a package that Pidgin depended on, but instead I may have removed a package which some other package depended on which Pidgin also depends on and therefor Pidgin also got selected for removal - could that be possible? |
| 20:47.42 | bastones | lasdam: I've looked into this a little more and I can see apt definitely removes all packages that are dependent on any package you are removing. I think the bottom line is, if a package is removed which Pidgin depends on, apt will proceed to remove Pidgin too. |
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| 20:48.30 | lasdam | bastones: ok, and this is "chained" automatically? |
| 20:48.46 | bastones | I don't know for sure, but logically it makes sense otherwise packages will become "broken". |
| 20:50.51 | lasdam | right. but it seems even weirder in practice to me, like I removed gnome-chess yesterday, and to confirm the removal of removing gnome-chess it said the following packages will also be removed: gnome-games or something.. like I don't get how gnome-games depends on chess, shouldn't it be the other way around? |
| 20:50.53 | bastones | I use Empathy instead of Pidgin, and I can see if I attempt to remove "empathy-common", which "empathy" depends on, apt tells me it'll remove empathy too. |
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| 20:51.54 | bastones | lasdam: gnome-games depends on gnome-chess |
| 20:52.18 | bastones | I can see the dependency listed in Synaptic Package Manager by checking the package "Properties" for gnome-games. |
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| 20:52.47 | lasdam | aha, I see, thanks for the tip. but how does that make sense? |
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| 20:53.38 | bastones | Well the developer of the application sets the dependencies. There must be a reason why. |
| 20:54.12 | bastones | You can see gnome-chess listed if you execute sudo apt-cache depends gnome-games |
| 20:55.02 | bastones | So you can either check with Synaptic or use 'apt-cache depends' |
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| 20:55.56 | lasdam | right, but the problem is if most packages are riddled with dependencies, I remove one package and my entire system is removed :P to make a symbolic point... |
| 20:56.29 | lasdam | is there a way around auto-removal of dependencies, like using another package manager, or some setting in apt or something? |
| 20:57.18 | lasdam | and actually it's not entirely symbolic either, gnome was removed once because I tried to remove some package preinstalled with gnome x_x |
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| 21:00.23 | bastones | lasdam: Well if Pidgin 'depends' on a package you are removing (whether directly or indirectly), apt *must* remove pidgin too, otherwise broken packages will remain installed. I share your concern but apt does ask you to confirm when other packages need to be removed along with the package you intend to remove. It's best not to go around this otherwise you'll have broken packages lying around. |
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| 21:03.58 | lasdam | bastones: I agree in theory. I just wonder if these dependencies set are not always right |
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| 21:04.19 | lasdam | I can't really use the gnome-games example, because I don't know what "gnome-games" actually does, and I don't have any other examples right now, but I wonder if dependencies set are not always right |
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| 21:06.27 | ErtanERBEK | hexnewbie, I think I found problem source |
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| 21:07.15 | ErtanERBEK | hexnewbie, I think I found problem |
| 21:07.19 | ErtanERBEK | source |
| 21:07.26 | bastones | lasdam: It might be a common API/framework all the games use. I don't know, I haven't looked into it nor would I know where to start! I wouldn't worry about it too much, the dependencies are there for a reason. I would just be careful and note the packages apt wants to remove before confirming :). If anything is listed that you need, then you can see the package you want to remove is a dependency that should remain installed. |
| 21:07.39 | ErtanERBEK | hexnewbie, network manager start ask password to me now |
| 21:07.51 | ErtanERBEK | hexnewbie, but unlock button problem continue |
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| 21:09.15 | hexnewbie | ErtanERBEK: THose might be unrelated. What was the cause for NM? |
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| 21:10.24 | bastones | lasdam: All I can see aside from that is I've never had issues in the manner you're describing, and I do use apt on occasion to remove unneeded packages. If I see something in the removal list that I know shouldn't be removed, I'd abort the removal. |
| 21:10.42 | ErtanERBEK | hexnewbie, before this problem I try add my user to one group ( for wireshark ) with usermod -a group user |
| 21:10.55 | ErtanERBEK | but that command change my user group and delete from all other |
| 21:11.01 | ErtanERBEK | and now |
| 21:11.07 | ErtanERBEK | I re add my user to sudo group |
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| 21:11.17 | ErtanERBEK | with usermod -a -G user group |
| 21:11.28 | ErtanERBEK | also add my orjinal group |
| 21:11.38 | ErtanERBEK | and now network manager start ask password to me |
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| 21:11.46 | ErtanERBEK | but unlock button problem continue |
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| 21:11.59 | ErtanERBEK | and I am not get any syslog output about this problem |
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| 21:12.38 | hexnewbie | ErtanERBEK: You mnight try to add yourself to other relevant groups, though I am not sure if polkit has one (I can't seem to see one, and polkit works for me) |
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| 21:13.03 | A|an | Is it possible to retrieve your password from nickserv? |
| 21:13.26 | A|an | Mine's evidently gotten screwed up |
| 21:13.29 | lasdam | bastones: well I have some vague feeling that if I install a package then remove the package later it might try to remove "dependencies" that were not installed as a result of installing the package in the first place |
| 21:13.38 | bastones | A|an: http://docs.dal.net/docs/nickserv.html#8 maybe this helps? |
| 21:13.42 | A|an | thanks |
| 21:13.43 | hexnewbie | A|an: /msg NickServ help sendpass |
| 21:13.49 | A|an | thanks |
| 21:13.49 | ErtanERBEK | hexnewbie, could you give my default desktop user group list |
| 21:14.16 | A|an | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:14.46 | hexnewbie | ErtanERBEK: I am in the following groups (I have no idea if that makes any sense): dialout,cdrom,floppy,audio,dip,video,plugdev,netdev,bluetooth,fuse,scanner,powerdev |
| 21:14.49 | lasdam | bastones: could we make kind of a deal that if I actually find this behavior that I come back and ask you or the channel again? like I try to install package X, apt installs dependency A, B and C, I try to remove package X and apt asks to remove dependency A, B, C, D and E |
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| 21:15.15 | ErtanERBEK | hexnewbie, your user like superuser :D |
| 21:15.16 | lasdam | the hypothetical pattern/behavior being: (...) * |
| 21:15.25 | hexnewbie | ErtanERBEK: A bit of warning, that's like a configuration that's accumulated over 10 years, there might be some very bad ideas in there :) |
| 21:15.46 | ErtanERBEK | hexnewbie, I just need default group for desktop user |
| 21:15.54 | ErtanERBEK | I will search on google |
| 21:16.01 | hexnewbie | ErtanERBEK: I don't think there's such thing |
| 21:16.06 | lasdam | because it's not supposed to do that, right? |
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| 21:18.27 | bastones | lasdam: I understand your concerns, but I can't see how that could happen. apt-get remove simply removes the package(s) you specify (A) plus any other packages that depends on A. |
| 21:19.36 | at0m | lasdam: when it asks to remove package D & E, and you don't need them anymore, they're probably residuals? |
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| 21:20.02 | at0m | if not, i use aptitude so i can mark them individually |
| 21:20.25 | at0m | probably there's other ways, but that's what works for me |
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| 21:21.10 | lasdam | at0m: I haven't actually caught APT doing this yet concretely, it's just an intuition of mine, like I think I've seen it, but I never took specific note of it. marking sounds interesting! |
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| 21:23.55 | lasdam | bastones: ok, but if I somehow did caught apt doing this you'd be curious to know? |
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| 21:25.25 | lasdam | at0m: thanks for the tip about apt-mark |
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| 21:33.11 | bastones | lasdam: I've never experienced a scenario where removing a package would remove another unrelated package that is somehow connected by an intermediate dependency. apt only removes additional packages which depends on the actual package you want to remove. From what I can see, apt would only suggest autoremove on packages that are not needed anymore (i.e. no other packages depends on them). |
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| 21:36.20 | lasdam | bastones: I understand and you're probably right. I just want to know if I had I experienced what I've described and get concrete proof of it can I come back here with it? |
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| 21:36.44 | lasdam | if I in the future do experience what I've described* |
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| 21:42.38 | bastones | lasdam: All I can say to you is it sounds unlikely and it needn't be something to worry about but by all means if you feel it is worth pursuing, I would certainly be interested to see if there is some truth to it. |
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| 21:53.18 | lasdam | bastones: ok, thanks. it helps me dealing with my generally high anxiety levels to know I've been basically invited back (as by default I feel like an intruder or alien) given certain criteria, like if I find the behavior I've described that I worry apt might have even if it doesn't in reality. |
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| 21:58.24 | bastones | lasdam: Most people are friendly, really! |
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| 22:04.49 | lasdam | bastones: I'm not so sure |
| 22:05.22 | bastones | OK, some people then ;-) |
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| 22:07.15 | hexnewbie | bastones: We are not friendly, sadly |
| 22:08.20 | bastones | hexnewbie: Well that was more of a general statement :) |
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| 22:17.44 | lasdam | bastones: I think they can be friendly, but not be trusted; their friendliness is usually conditional in my experience; again in my experience they'll f you over when they get the chance imo. :P |
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| 22:22.05 | ryouma | lasdam: are you talking about installing some gnome package and then you uninstall and the rest of gnome gets uninstalled? i presume not. |
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| 22:22.48 | FemaleAnon | how can I make sure that USB devices get auto-mounted by my user account or a specific user account, rather than root? |
| 22:24.32 | lasdam | ryouma: no, I was removing a pre-installed gnome package, but it was as arbitrary as a gnome game or something. and then in a different circumstance I somewhat believe I installed a package, then when I removed it it removed packages it shouldn't have, but I might be wrong and I can't prove it (yet) |
| 22:25.00 | ryouma | lasdam: keep a list of packages under git control |
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| 22:25.27 | ryouma | or check your logs |
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| 22:25.52 | lasdam | right |
| 22:26.25 | lasdam | yeah I'll look for it in the future using memory and apt logs |
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| 22:43.59 | zeeflo_ | I only see the generic intel nics... |
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| 22:45.32 | equa | zeeflo_: can you see it with ip a? |
| 22:45.38 | zeeflo_ | no |
| 22:45.53 | equa | zeeflo_: it's a pci card? |
| 22:45.59 | zeeflo_ | yes |
| 22:46.05 | zeeflo_ | i see it with lspci |
| 22:46.30 | equa | zeeflo_: lspci -nn. paste the result for it on paste.debian.net |
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| 22:46.55 | zeeflo_ | I cant paste it sorry. I only have iLO contact to the server. I can show a screen shot though. 1 minute. |
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| 22:48.43 | zeeflo_ | equa: http://gyazo.com/264cf9df1ecde9cb32723a5622a0ab1d |
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| 22:49.48 | zeeflo_ | Its connected with 10Gbps to a juniper ex3300 |
| 22:50.02 | equa | zeeflo_: do lsmod | grep netxen_nic |
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| 22:51.13 | zeeflo_ | equa: give me a moment, i need to find the | combination in iLO |
| 22:51.37 | equa | zeeflo_: you can just do lsmod and look for netxen_nic |
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| 22:52.21 | zeeflo_ | It says netxen_nic 10800 0 |
| 22:52.39 | zeeflo_ | http://gyazo.com/1c1d690ae4776874798b9ed60a56d707 |
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| 22:55.45 | zeeflo_ | Can anyone help? |
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| 22:56.37 | equa | zeeflo_: seems like it's installed and loaded. nothing is using the driver though. |
| 22:57.08 | zeeflo_ | What do I do then? |
| 22:58.19 | equa | zeeflo_: i'm trying to find out. i need to go soon though. i suggest googling while you wait for others to help you |
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| 22:58.38 | zeeflo_ | ive googled it for 3-4 hours. But thank you |
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| 23:06.22 | equa | zeeflo_: are you on jessie? http://h30499.www3.hp.com/t5/ProLiant-Servers-ML-DL-SL/ML370-G6-networking-card-NetXen-NX3031-doesn-t-support-Debian-7/td-p/6054365 |
| 23:06.45 | zeeflo_ | equa: |
| 23:06.51 | zeeflo_ | I think I hit jackpot |
| 23:06.57 | zeeflo_ | http://gyazo.com/a6e69e04b7744666a557c8a2a898903c |
| 23:06.57 | equa | zeeflo_: nice |
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| 23:07.13 | zeeflo_ | dmesg shows me i need to update firmware on flash |
| 23:07.27 | equa | zeeflo_: ya about to tell you to check dmesg |
| 23:07.31 | equa | good luck. i gotta go now |
| 23:07.38 | zeeflo_ | thanks |
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| 23:21.29 | Stereo | Hi everyone |
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| 23:26.48 | Stereo | I'm in the process of upgrading my xen server to Jessie. The VMs are all still running wheezy, and will be upgraded after the dom0. Where can I find out if there are any quirks I should be aware of? |
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| 23:54.50 | ElTimo | Hey, I can't get my XFCE panel to reserve space when windows are maximized. |
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