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| 00:56.41 | Drevkevac | so I'm running a Debian VM, and I want to have it connected via two network interfaces, one to a vbox NAT network for internet access, and one to a virtualbox host-only network. When i create both interface in nm-connection editor and connect to them, it can only ever connect to hosts on one at a time. What gives?! |
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| 00:59.08 | blackflow | Hello. Are there any adverse effects of mounting /tmp noexec? I see apt is throwing out permission errors. |
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| 00:59.53 | faye | hi, is there any way that i can get documentation for a particular package without installing everything else? |
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| 01:04.58 | jaggz- | I can't resolve my nvidia installation problems .. I still have some nouveau packages installed, but if I uninstall them it uninstalls a ton of my X :) |
| 01:05.34 | jaggz- | the packages debian says exclude (blacklist) the nouveau kernel driver are already installed |
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| 01:30.39 | BurgerIsFreedom | says hi |
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| 01:35.11 | BurgerIsFreedom | what is the best way to put a debian ISO on a USB drive (from within debian)? |
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| 01:35.33 | BurgerIsFreedom | I have a CD1 of 8.1 and I would prefer not to use unetbootin |
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| 01:35.45 | BurgerIsFreedom | can I just dd the ISO and then add the boot flag in gparted? |
| 01:36.21 | BurgerIsFreedom | or do I need to install grub and extract the ISO to a partition... etc? |
| 01:37.44 | no-se | (wondering why not to use unetbootin? anything in particular that we should be aware of) |
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| 01:38.57 | RageRiot | Hello, I'm trying to administeter a guest on my debian host serverand I use iptable with config server firewall, I notice with the logs the connection is going via the first NIC eth0 but I have vboxnet0 setup for communication to a guest OS. I've setup configserver to only filter on eth0 but the command I'm trying to run obviously used eth0 |
| 01:39.10 | RageRiot | the cmd is net rpc .. . |
| 01:39.36 | BurgerIsFreedom | no-se, I'm not noting any security vulnerabilities or downsides, I just like to keep things simple for security purposes |
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| 01:40.10 | RageRiot | I've had problems in the past with unetbootin |
| 01:40.20 | RageRiot | but it's a good tool when it works. |
| 01:40.59 | BurgerIsFreedom | as have I... but are debian ISOs the type that I can just "dd" and add a boot flag? |
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| 01:41.38 | RageRiot | that i wouldn't know, |
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| 01:51.40 | BurgerIsFreedom | alright, it seems that I can just dd if=*.iso of= /dev/sdb and then sync |
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| 02:13.55 | alencc | Hello, there. How are you? |
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| 02:41.52 | rabies1 | anyone know if a good place to hang out wtih hackers in the south bay near san francisco? |
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| 02:42.27 | rabies1 | or any good linux type meetups here? |
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| 02:50.10 | nutron | is there a browser that replaces or mimics xombrero? Seems that xombrero is buggy and upstream hasn't really shown much activity as of late. I wonder if it has to do with webkit. |
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| 03:01.47 | winsen | Hi all |
| 03:01.51 | winsen | I am trying to ' Run the Nagios configure script, passing the name of the group I created earlier like so:./configure --with-command-group=nagcmd" but I gives me the following error : http://paste.debian.net/hidden/03859781/ does anyone can help to fix it? thanks |
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| 03:12.34 | equa | winsen: you're missing gcc |
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| 03:14.20 | cjen129 | hi i can't get any audio playback through firefox |
| 03:14.48 | equa | cjen129: does it work with anything else? |
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| 03:15.58 | cjen129 | yes, with vlc |
| 03:16.41 | cjen129 | my computer seems to have two audio devices in the mixer application. i need it to use hd-generic because it looks like the ATI HD card isn't real or doesn't work |
| 03:16.47 | cjen129 | there's no volume slider for it |
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| 03:18.14 | equa | cjen129: which mixer are you using? |
| 03:18.28 | cjen129 | i've tried alsamixer and kmixer (kde) |
| 03:18.42 | cjen129 | both show HDA ATI HDMI and a HD-Audio Generic devices |
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| 03:19.15 | Akuw | hi, what tool is there to control all insfrastructure ? |
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| 03:23.50 | winsen | Hi all |
| 03:23.53 | winsen | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.11 | winsen | I am runing this tool on debian |
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| 03:26.32 | equa | cjen129: are you playing audio out of hdmi? |
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| 03:27.37 | equa | winsen: it says you're missing a c compiler. apt-get install gcc |
| 03:27.51 | ryouma | is it correct or incorrect to have this in crypttab "crucial-root /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_Crucial_CT512MX_24360D244CD1-part6 none luks" and this in fstab "/dev/mapper/crucial-root / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1"? |
| 03:28.02 | cjen129 | equa, no i don't think so. just out of normal laptop speakers |
| 03:28.05 | cjen129 | the generic audio device |
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| 03:28.19 | cjen129 | but firefox is not using the correct device it seems |
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| 03:37.39 | winsen | equa: hi, should I type: 'apt-get install gcc' ? |
| 03:38.20 | winsen | equa: hi, should I install 'gcc' is the name of the compiler? or c? |
| 03:38.36 | equa | winsen: you're on debian jessie correct? open a terminal and type that or use your gui like synaptic and install gcc |
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| 03:40.01 | equa | cjen129: others tweak alsa / pulseaudio and got it to work. you'll just have to fiddle settings and try them. |
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| 03:42.19 | winsen | equa: I'll do it now. is that reason I couldn't continue the followin steps: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/662ab719/ |
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| 03:42.39 | winsen | equa: thanks |
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| 03:42.56 | equa | winsen: np |
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| 03:44.16 | equa | cjen129: blacklist or disable the hdmi device will so firefox wouldn't pickup the second audio device might work |
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| 03:44.46 | winsen | equa: what is gcc? is that reason I couldn't continue the followin steps: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/662ab719/ |
| 03:45.01 | equa | gcc is the c compiler |
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| 03:45.52 | cjen129 | equa, how do i blacklist it? |
| 03:46.03 | winsen | equa: thanks, is that reason I couldn't continu the steps above? |
| 03:48.30 | equa | cjen129: try to disabled it from alsamixer or kde mixer first. to blacklist a driver make a file in /etc/modprobe.d. and just put blacklist <hdmicarddriver> |
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| 03:49.48 | cjen129 | equa, and then reboot right? |
| 03:49.54 | equa | winsen: yes, it couldn't compile your package because you were missing the c compiler |
| 03:50.12 | winsen | equa: can I pm you please? |
| 03:50.24 | equa | cjen129: you can unload the mod or just reboot(easiest) |
| 03:50.52 | equa | winsen: sure but it's better to do it in this channel incase someone have a better suggestion |
| 03:51.04 | winsen | ok np |
| 03:54.35 | winsen | equa: http://midactstech.blogspot.fr/2013/09/how-to-install-nagios-on-debian-wheezy.html |
| 03:55.05 | equa | winsen: are you on wheezy? |
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| 03:55.52 | winsen | equa: jessie, sorry let me take a look |
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| 03:59.30 | winsen | equa: 3.16.0-4-686-pae |
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| 04:03.51 | equa | winsen: the instructions on here seems easier. http://www.pietervanos.net/knowledge/debian-7-install-nagios/ |
| 04:05.13 | bieyeik2aX | hello, is there a way to install qt5webkit on Jessie? |
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| 04:07.26 | equa | bieyeik2aX: i found libqt5webkit5, is that what you want? |
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| 04:08.37 | bieyeik2aX | :D, I will take a look at it, thank you equa :D |
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| 04:09.11 | equa | bieyeik2aX: np |
| 04:10.00 | bieyeik2aX | yes, it was the package I needed. <3 <3 <3 equa <3 <3 <3 |
| 04:10.01 | equa | bieyeik2aX: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libqt5webkit5 |
| 04:10.08 | bieyeik2aX | k k |
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| 04:10.37 | equa | you can just use apt to install it |
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| 04:11.22 | winsen | equa: did you notice in which step I am? |
| 04:11.50 | equa | winsen: from the last paste you gave me. you needed to create an account for a console user |
| 04:11.55 | bieyeik2aX | yes, I'd just installed with: aptitude install libqt5webkit5-dev, I'm trying to compile otter |
| 04:12.15 | winsen | equa: I am telling you that because it seems that it is already installed but not configured right? |
| 04:12.40 | equa | winsen: yeah, you have a lot of steps left to do |
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| 04:14.23 | winsen | equa: ok, however the link you gave me looks easier to do. |
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| 04:14.49 | winsen | equa: well, I'll continue |
| 04:15.03 | PETSounds | hi. stupid question here. how do i rollback xorg-xserver-video-intel from Jessie Backports to previous version? latest update broke my display. thanks in advance |
| 04:15.09 | equa | winsen: i haven't tried it out. i'll try it later both methods |
| 04:16.51 | equa | PETSounds: uninstall it and reinstall the one from your regular source? |
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| 05:25.04 | Tau | jesus christ. i cant create a usb stick. |
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| 05:28.21 | bieyeik2aX | do you mean you can't format it? |
| 05:29.16 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.25 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.27 | Tau | when i try to boot. |
| 05:29.30 | equa | Tau: yikes, don't use unetbootin |
| 05:29.34 | bieyeik2aX | I am on Jessie, and I need java 1.8, but in offitial repositories is version 1.7. Do you recommend do this to get 1.8: http://it.tuxie.eu/?p=542 ? |
| 05:29.53 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.58 | Tau | but it gave me another error. |
| 05:30.10 | Tau | equa what could i use then? |
| 05:30.20 | equa | Tau: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 05:30.38 | bieyeik2aX | Tau: do you want to install an iso distribution on the usb stick?. |
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| 05:32.05 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.22 | bieyeik2aX | Tau: 'dd' is easy to use |
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| 05:32.54 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.59 | Tau | fat32 or fat16? |
| 05:33.02 | bieyeik2aX | example: dd if=distro.is of=/dev/sdb (or whatever usb is) |
| 05:33.07 | Tau | when i try to format it as fat16 it fails. |
| 05:34.13 | bieyeik2aX | what's the error output? |
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| 05:35.08 | Tau | hold on |
| 05:35.38 | bieyeik2aX | ok |
| 05:36.07 | Tau | it says it has a max of 4gb |
| 05:36.12 | Tau | my usb stick is 15gb. |
| 05:36.24 | Tau | it says it has to be fat32. |
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| 05:37.24 | bieyeik2aX | so you want to use the entire usb stick to try a distro? |
| 05:37.52 | equa | fat16 max size is 4gb. fat32 is 32gb |
| 05:37.53 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.10 | Tau | but it is kind of odd having to have a fat16 to have a usb stick. |
| 05:38.13 | Tau | couldnt it be fat32? |
| 05:38.17 | bieyeik2aX | you should try this: dd if=path/to/distro.iso of=/dev/sdb (if usb stick is inthere) |
| 05:39.03 | bieyeik2aX | I guess you can format it in whatever fs you want |
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| 05:39.35 | equa | you can just cp the iso from image such as netint, cd-1, or dvd-1 |
| 05:40.05 | Tau | cp from the image iso is not working. |
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| 05:40.19 | Tau | it says it cant do copy on some files. |
| 05:40.27 | Tau | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 05:40.32 | Tau | i have downloaded the first cd-1. |
| 05:41.16 | bieyeik2aX | Tau: is the usb stick formated? |
| 05:41.33 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.07 | bieyeik2aX | one partition of 15GB in fat32 right? |
| 05:42.19 | Tau | yea |
| 05:42.26 | Tau | the entire usb stick is 15gb. |
| 05:42.28 | Tau | at all |
| 05:42.32 | Tau | so there is only one partition. |
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| 05:43.59 | Tau | does syslinux work with fat32? |
| 05:44.02 | bieyeik2aX | a moment Tau |
| 05:44.07 | Tau | sure. |
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| 05:44.56 | Tau | it seems syslinux works with only fat16 systems. |
| 05:45.12 | bieyeik2aX | Tau: https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
| 05:46.08 | Tau | oh |
| 05:46.12 | Tau | it seems to have worked now. |
| 05:46.29 | bieyeik2aX | what thing Tau? |
| 05:46.56 | bieyeik2aX | dd or copying the iso with cp ? |
| 05:47.05 | Tau | i'm trying it with dd now. |
| 05:47.09 | bieyeik2aX | ok |
| 05:48.05 | Tau | dd if=debian-8.1.0-amd64-CD-1.iso of=/dev/sdb1 |
| 05:48.07 | Tau | i tried it |
| 05:48.12 | Tau | it seems to not have worked at all. |
| 05:48.37 | bieyeik2aX | no output? |
| 05:48.38 | equa | error? what does not worked? |
| 05:48.39 | Tau | http://codepad.org/bPRr9TL8 |
| 05:48.42 | Tau | i got that. |
| 05:48.43 | bieyeik2aX | you need to wait |
| 05:48.48 | Tau | but there is no file in the usb stick. |
| 05:48.52 | Tau | it was crazily fast. |
| 05:49.23 | Tau | kind of odd. |
| 05:49.26 | bieyeik2aX | try: dd if=debian-8.1.0-amd64-CD-1.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 05:49.38 | Tau | it says there is no space left. |
| 05:49.45 | Tau | i'm trying again the dd command. |
| 05:49.49 | Tau | let us see what it happens |
| 05:49.51 | Tau | it is taking longer now |
| 05:49.51 | bieyeik2aX | are you sure you usb stick is in /dev/sdb ¿ |
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| 05:50.12 | bieyeik2aX | ok |
| 05:50.30 | Tau | yeah. |
| 05:50.34 | Tau | i checked it with gparted. |
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| 05:51.17 | Tau | ill sleep a bit. |
| 05:51.19 | Tau | back later |
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| 05:51.45 | bieyeik2aX | ok, bb |
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| 06:00.10 | Hans_Zero | hi, I got a debian 8.1 installation inside a VM and I only ever get a reply to the first ping paket I send out, after that it tells me Host is unreachable ... can anyone help me with that? |
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| 06:01.42 | equa | Hans_Zero: ping localhost |
| 06:01.58 | Hans_Zero | equa works fine |
| 06:02.09 | equa | Hans_Zero: ping www.google.com |
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| 06:02.37 | Hans_Zero | equa ping 8.8.8.8 gets me 1 response google.com can't be resolved I think but I'll try quickly |
| 06:03.11 | Hans_Zero | equa unknown host |
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| 06:03.38 | equa | Hans_Zero: seems like dns issue. traceroute google.com |
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| 06:04.02 | darxmurf | hi al |
| 06:04.04 | Hans_Zero | equa the network fails... before I solve any dns issues I need a working network |
| 06:04.04 | darxmurf | l |
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| 06:04.56 | bieyeik2aX | hi darxmurf |
| 06:05.16 | equa | Hans_Zero: can you ping your gateway? |
| 06:05.34 | Hans_Zero | equa once (aka one icmp reply) |
| 06:06.03 | Hans_Zero | I can ifdown and ifup eth0 then I can again get a single response |
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| 06:06.48 | gryffus | please how do i enable secure boot with grub2? |
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| 06:07.01 | equa | Hans_Zero: can you ping the gateway from the host? |
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| 06:07.36 | Hans_Zero | equa yes but not the guest |
| 06:08.05 | equa | Hans_Zero: what type of network for the vm? |
| 06:08.13 | Hans_Zero | equa bridged |
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| 06:09.06 | equa | Hans_Zero: does ip r and ip a look correct? |
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| 06:10.00 | Hans_Zero | equa yes they look correct |
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| 06:11.47 | equa | Hans_Zero: do you mind pasting it on paste.debian.net? |
| 06:12.21 | Hans_Zero | equa give me a second I don't know if I can copy out of the vm |
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| 06:16.58 | Hans_Zero | equa I couldn't but here is a screenshot including a ping http://postimg.org/image/b3amcztft/ |
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| 06:19.09 | equa | Hans_Zero: ping your gateway (144.76.41.37) or traceroute 8.8.8.8 |
| 06:20.05 | Hans_Zero | equa it dosn't matter it's the same result I need to ifdown & ifup then I get exactly 1 reply exactly the same as with any other ip |
| 06:20.40 | Hans_Zero | wait no |
| 06:20.53 | Hans_Zero | I can ping the gateway |
| 06:20.58 | Hans_Zero | :) |
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| 06:21.50 | brucelee | does ifdown eth0 affect eth0.1 or eth0.2 |
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| 06:23.44 | equa | Hans_Zero: do a traceroute to see where we're losing packets. traceroute google.com |
| 06:23.45 | Hans_Zero | equa I can ping the gateway ( host) and also the other way around (I can ping the guest from the host) |
| 06:24.05 | Hans_Zero | equa it stops after first (gateway) hop |
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| 06:26.34 | equa | Hans_Zero: you have a static ip or dynamic from dhcp? |
| 06:26.41 | Hans_Zero | equa static |
| 06:27.31 | equa | Hans_Zero: you're using nm, wicd, or interfaces? |
| 06:27.42 | Hans_Zero | interfaces |
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| 06:28.33 | equa | Hans_Zero: what's in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 06:29.02 | Hans_Zero | equa it's basically empty |
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| 06:30.05 | Hans_Zero | equa yeah it's empty ... just 2 lines of comments like do not edit |
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| 06:34.31 | equa | Hans_Zero: try adding this line in it. nameserver 8.8.8.8 144.76.41.37 |
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| 06:35.09 | Hans_Zero | equa done... |
| 06:36.02 | equa | Hans_Zero: bring the interface down and up then try to ping google.com |
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| 06:39.16 | Hans_Zero | equa dns resolving kinda works... I got a response from that but the network died again |
| 06:39.56 | Hans_Zero | equa I'm not sure though... apparently it kinda works a little now |
| 06:40.18 | equa | Hans_Zero: maybe switch back to your isp dns instead of using google for a test |
| 06:41.28 | Hans_Zero | equa I really really don't see how a dns entry fixes this tcp/ip problem... but apparently it does... I'll see what the ISP says I shall use and see where it gets going from there |
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| 06:42.27 | equa | Hans_Zero: ok, good luck. your network seems to be fine internally, it's routing to the wan(internet) that's why i think it's a DNS issue |
| 06:42.46 | Hans_Zero | equa that kinda makes sense |
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| 06:43.09 | Hans_Zero | equa thanks a lot I think I got enough now to make it work |
| 06:43.18 | Hans_Zero | equa I'ld never thought of that ^^ |
| 06:43.19 | equa | Hans_Zero: np |
| 06:43.46 | bieyeik2aX | hugs and love for equa |
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| 06:44.03 | equa | ty :D |
| 06:44.10 | bieyeik2aX | <3 |
| 06:46.27 | Hans_Zero | ... nice it basically looks like it's working :D |
| 06:46.35 | Hans_Zero | <3 thanks equa |
| 06:46.36 | equa | grats :D |
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| 07:58.55 | OneSploit | Hi |
| 07:59.15 | letsfindout | why is rpcbind and rpc.statd listening on ports by default when debian ships with no firewall? isn't this insecure? |
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| 07:59.44 | OneSploit | I don't get it why, Debian by default set's up whole guided disk installation to be on encrypted volume with binaries ? are any files sensitive on the root ? To me it makes more sense to only encrypt /tmp /var and /home. If someone can point me why this is the correct way, I would be grateful ? To me it only slows down reading executables. |
| 08:00.18 | OneSploit | Is my logic flawed somewhere and root can store sensitive data? |
| 08:01.06 | OneSploit | given I use different key for disk encryption than any of the users :) |
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| 08:02.19 | letsfindout | OneSploit: read this: https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Encrypted_root_file_system |
| 08:02.29 | letsfindout | it addresses your very question |
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| 08:04.28 | OneSploit | letsfindout, I see it mentiones /var /tmp and swap which I do have encrypted |
| 08:04.53 | Hans_Zero | how can i use the shell to set up my network config during installation? (I know how to get a shell and how my /etc/network/interfaces should look like but not how to tell the installer to use the file) |
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| 08:11.25 | letsfindout | OneSploit: well, you asked why the default is the default. I imagine, doing fde is a catch all regardless of a particular partition setup. Plus there might be sneaky ways of using / outside of /var /tmp swap etc to gain useful information that I'm not aware of. Maybe they could get something useful out of the config files in /etc or somethng else, who knows. Encrypting / prevents any possibility |
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| 08:12.30 | OneSploit | letsfindout, got answer on OFTC, it makes sense that an attacker could replace binary which is not encrypted and modify it to send the data, if he had access to the physical device |
| 08:13.43 | letsfindout | OneSploit: well, yeah, but you could say the same thing about the mbr and what not |
| 08:14.03 | letsfindout | encrypted / doesn't prevent evil maid attacks |
| 08:14.40 | letsfindout | something has to be unencrypted to boot the system, and therefore modifiable |
| 08:15.00 | letsfindout | unless you carry the boot on a usb key that you keep on you at all times or something |
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| 08:15.32 | OneSploit | mbr is usually too small to put in something useful, if you don't own the computer, lets say you use it at work, and you leave it, someone might come, modify your remaining setup and get password to encrypted part |
| 08:15.37 | letsfindout | still your bios could be modified, it depends how paranoid you want to go |
| 08:15.42 | OneSploit | I guess thats the whole point as far as I understood |
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| 08:16.40 | OneSploit | however doing that on home computer might make no sense, I guess as it is not shared computer |
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| 08:20.58 | and2099 | ping :D |
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| 08:28.17 | OneSploit | letsfindout, repost https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security.png |
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| 08:29.52 | letsfindout | lol think i've seen that before |
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| 08:31.10 | OneSploit | letsfindout, has also its name https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber-hose_cryptanalysis |
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| 08:51.43 | letsfindout | anyone know why rpcbind and rpc.statd listen on ports by default in debian? |
| 08:54.05 | ChrisH | Hans_Zero: echo "configstuff" > /etc/network/interfaces ?? |
| 08:55.05 | Hans_Zero | ChrisH the debian isntaller dosn't read /etc/network/interfaces... I'm trying preseeding right now but already found some forum entries that basically say it dosn't work... but they are from 2012 so I'll check if it does work |
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| 09:13.09 | Hans_Zero | so... preseeding a pointopoint option does not work for eth devices? damnit... |
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| 09:20.00 | CyberTails | Hello Debian Folks, any chance of any Debian folks heading to FOSSCon this year? :) |
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| 09:20.20 | at0m | CyberTails: imo that's hard to avoid |
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| 09:20.37 | CyberTails | hh |
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| 09:29.37 | RomeoPapa | Hi all. I've submitted, last week, a debdiff that fixes 2 CVEs in a package to debian BTS through mail, and I've received no acknowledgement, response, or have seen any activity on the bugtracker |
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| 09:34.22 | SynrG | RomeoPapa: check your mail queue? |
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| 09:35.14 | SynrG | you should receive an automatic acknowledgement. if you didn't, seems like a mail issue. |
| 09:35.26 | RomeoPapa | SynrG, are you saying my mail didn't get through? Looks like it's been sent. Should I have least receive an auto acknowledge by the mail server? |
| 09:35.34 | SynrG | yes. |
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| 09:36.34 | SynrG | Something like Subject: Bug#######: Info received (original subject) |
| 09:36.52 | SynrG | from owner@bugs.debian.org |
| 09:37.09 | RomeoPapa | Ah, but that means the maintainer has received and filed the bug? |
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| 09:37.38 | SynrG | RomeoPapa: when you submitted it, you sent to the bug#@bugs.debian.org? |
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| 09:37.50 | SynrG | RomeoPapa: it means the BTS has received it |
| 09:37.55 | SynrG | it's an automated reply |
| 09:38.09 | SynrG | if you don't get that reply, it didn't receive it |
| 09:38.20 | nicechap | Is it easy to create a debian package for a perl module I have found on CPAN? |
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| 09:39.23 | SynrG | nicechap: you probably want to see pkg-perl about that. they undoubtedly have some instructions. the team has a page here: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianPerlGroup |
| 09:39.39 | nicechap | thank you SynrG |
| 09:39.40 | RomeoPapa | SynrG, To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org> |
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| 09:40.21 | RomeoPapa | There isn't yet a bug# assigned to this |
| 09:40.28 | SynrG | RomeoPapa: oh, so you submitted a new bug, not added extra info to an existing one. gotcha |
| 09:40.31 | SynrG | yep |
| 09:41.10 | RomeoPapa | I've submitted the bug, and the fix ;) |
| 09:41.12 | SynrG | so then you would get a similar message like: Subject: Bug#######: Acknowledgement (...) |
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| 09:41.40 | RomeoPapa | Yea, no acklodgement, I'm thinking maybe maintainer on holidays, and I have to wait until he gets back? |
| 09:42.00 | SynrG | no. it is an *automated* reply |
| 09:42.12 | SynrG | sent by the bug *system*. if you didn't get it, the system never received it. |
| 09:42.26 | SynrG | hence my advice you check your mail logs |
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| 09:43.31 | RomeoPapa | Well it's as sent as all the other messages I've ever sent... No error reply from the mailers, nothing in Drafts, it is in Sent, and nothing in the spam folder wither.. |
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| 09:44.25 | RomeoPapa | Are you sure that you autoamtically get a bug# whenever you send to submit@bug.debian.org ? Wouldn't that mean any silly mail gets a bug number? Does the mail maybe have to be read by a human to be filed in? |
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| 09:44.58 | SynrG | RomeoPapa: yes, even spam gets bug#s if it is not flagged as spam and rejected first |
| 09:45.14 | RomeoPapa | Or maybe I formatted incorrectly, but I double triple checked the format... No reply such as 'incorrectly formatted' |
| 09:45.57 | RomeoPapa | Am I going to have to file a bug report about that too? I'm going to have a hard time ;) |
| 09:46.30 | SynrG | RomeoPapa: read https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 09:47.03 | SynrG | RomeoPapa: it advises you what to do in this case |
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| 09:48.53 | SynrG | RomeoPapa: if you're worried about incorrectly formatting the bug, the reportbug package helps submit bugs with the right format |
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| 09:50.44 | mortlind | hi all. where can i find information about what is happening to my kde installation in testing? |
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| 09:52.34 | Miko_ | Currently the only way to connect my debian machine with the internet is usb tethering with a andoid phone |
| 09:52.46 | Miko_ | tethering works fine with my ubuntu laptop |
| 09:53.10 | Miko_ | on the debian machine nothing happens. I'd exptet a usb0 device to pop up |
| 09:53.29 | Miko_ | I did insert the usbnet module |
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| 09:54.26 | mortlind | Miko_: a couple of days ago, upon an update, i had to uninstall network-manager and switch to wicd. i don't know why nm stopped working |
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| 09:55.25 | Miko_ | mortlind, yeah, nm often makes stupid stuff. However I don't think its the fault of nm. If there is network device by the kernel, it can't to much. |
| 09:55.46 | mortlind | yes, but wicd worked |
| 09:55.53 | RomeoPapa | SynrG, thanks, had a read. |
| 09:55.59 | letsfindout | so apparently it seems checking "standard system utilities" in tasksel during installation installs nfs-common / rpcbind which starts up rpc.statd and rpcbind services on an installation that, by default, has no firewall |
| 09:57.05 | letsfindout | that seems pretty ridiculous |
| 09:57.10 | RomeoPapa | SynrG, Actually the CVEs show up on this list of 'vulnerabilities without a filed bug': https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/status/unreported |
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| 09:57.39 | RomeoPapa | CVE-2015-4645, CVE-2015-4646 |
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| 09:58.51 | RomeoPapa | SynrG, OK, I'll just first try filing a bug for these CVEs, with very simple reports, and then submit the debdiff in response. |
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| 10:00.29 | SynrG | a debdiff isn't really the preferred way to submit a patch anyway. |
| 10:00.38 | SynrG | you should only submit the change to the source |
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| 10:04.00 | RomeoPapa | SynrG, the debdiff looks in essence like nothing more than a change to the source, is there a name for the preferred format? |
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| 10:12.50 | RomeoPapa | SynrG, OK, sent simple mail, got the bug#. Thanks for your help. |
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| 10:14.20 | SynrG | RomeoPapa: good |
| 10:14.23 | SynrG | np |
| 10:14.47 | SynrG | if the debdiff is very small, that's no problem. i was just concerned that it might bloat it |
| 10:15.09 | RomeoPapa | It's quiet big indeed, few hundred lines at least |
| 10:15.15 | SynrG | that's not big |
| 10:15.18 | RomeoPapa | hehe |
| 10:15.29 | SynrG | i mean multiple megabytes big |
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| 10:25.43 | jaggz- | how do I list all packages using the non-free or experimental repository things? |
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| 10:26.06 | giuseppe_ | hello everyone... can somebody help me... with a problem about power management ? I had in the apst xfce and managed with a GUI window all the settings... now i have i3 WM, although xfce is still installed, i manage the login with gdm3, and i have systemd installed.... i 've managed to put a screensaver with xautolockm but don't know what is causing after some time (don't know precisely how much) my wifi to |
| 10:26.09 | giuseppe_ | disconnect, how can i know what is causing this ? |
| 10:26.34 | jaggz- | I have a nvidia non-free experimental package installed (version 352) .. I believe apt-cache showpkg is the right way to see what repo it came from? it says non-free_experimental.. |
| 10:27.05 | jaggz- | I'm trying to remove it.. |
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| 10:37.00 | jaggz- | blah |
| 10:37.40 | b-tag | jaggz-, are you trying to remove or uninstall it? |
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| 10:47.09 | RomeoPapa | SynrG, yeah it seems like the mailbot aren't accepting the 300KiB debdiff file, they only answer to small messages |
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| 10:49.03 | SynrG | RomeoPapa: 300K is not "a few hundred lines" |
| 10:49.30 | SynrG | RomeoPapa: your patch should be the minimal change to the *source*, of the *current version in the archive* |
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| 10:50.58 | SynrG | i can't believe that would produce 300K of output |
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| 10:54.15 | fmost | hello |
| 10:54.24 | fmost | debian-next was forwarded here |
| 10:54.35 | fmost | i just did a jessie->stretch upgrade |
| 10:55.25 | fmost | it uninstalled skype, and i am trying to get it back |
| 10:55.34 | at0m | fmost: debian-next is on oftc |
| 10:55.42 | fmost | but apparently libtwolame0:i386 conflicts with libtwolame0 |
| 10:55.59 | fmost | at0m, i see, sorry |
| 10:56.08 | at0m | fmost: from what i head, it's a consequence of transiting back to ffmpeg |
| 10:56.14 | at0m | could be sorted soon |
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| 10:56.19 | at0m | s/head/hear |
| 10:56.34 | fmost | i am actually quite curious tho |
| 10:56.43 | fmost | why would a 64 bit version of a lib conflict with a 32? |
| 10:56.55 | fmost | they live in different folders, and link against different binaries |
| 10:57.03 | fmost | i never looked much into multiarch tho, so i don' |
| 10:57.17 | fmost | *don't really know what goes on behind the scenes |
| 10:57.31 | fmost | i tought it would all be hidden in ld.so |
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| 10:58.16 | at0m | fmost: https://osdir.com/ml/general/2015-07/msg31198.html |
| 10:58.24 | at0m | (related) |
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| 10:58.53 | fmost | at0m, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=777223 i was reading this too |
| 10:58.54 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/777223 in libtwolame0 (pending, patch): «libtwolame0 is not Multi-Arch compatible»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-02-06; last modified: 2015-07-22. |
| 10:59.01 | fmost | what's an NMU? |
| 10:59.05 | at0m | 793074 |
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| 10:59.58 | at0m | https://wiki.debian.org/NonMaintainerUpload |
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| 11:03.22 | fmost | is it possible to pull a delayed package? |
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| 11:03.49 | fmost | the NMU (hopefully fixed) version is in delayed/5 since 2 days ago |
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| 11:04.02 | DebianJessieUser | yo |
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| 11:04.35 | DebianJessieUser | i got a problem with fsck |
| 11:04.41 | SynrG | fmost: no. until it hits the archive, there's no public access to a delayed package |
| 11:04.42 | DebianJessieUser | i cant reboot it |
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| 11:04.59 | DebianJessieUser | i did poweroff then reboot |
| 11:05.18 | at0m | DebianJessieUser: and fsck is checking disks? |
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| 11:05.36 | SynrG | fmost: you really should join us at #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net to discuss further |
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| 11:05.51 | DebianJessieUser | no |
| 11:05.57 | fmost | right, this was getting off topic, sorry |
| 11:06.22 | at0m | DebianJessieUser: where does the reboot hang or fail? |
| 11:06.23 | DebianJessieUser | i did check the disks correctly with fsck /dev/sda1 |
| 11:06.44 | DebianJessieUser | nothing appear |
| 11:06.48 | DebianJessieUser | its like skipped |
| 11:06.52 | at0m | no bios, no grub? |
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| 11:07.10 | at0m | !doesn't work |
| 11:07.10 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 11:07.10 | DebianJessieUser | wat |
| 11:07.18 | RomeoPapa | SynrG, yeah, the CVE is under the form of a .patch, it hasn't been included upstream yet, so a debian/patch is in order. Otherwise the rest is just updating the source code, fro 4.2 to 4.3; 2 and half years of lateness to recuperate |
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| 11:08.03 | DebianJessieUser | k i turned the system directly from button cause i was so tired |
| 11:08.15 | SynrG | RomeoPapa: yah. that sort of thing is absolutely unacceptable as a security patch against a stable version |
| 11:08.15 | DebianJessieUser | and the game was running |
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| 11:08.58 | DebianJessieUser | then to day i know that it will tell me to run fsck manually |
| 11:09.09 | DebianJessieUser | i runned it manually |
| 11:09.25 | DebianJessieUser | then i cant make it reboot |
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| 11:10.12 | DebianJessieUser | k i will be more specitif |
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| 11:10.53 | DebianJessieUser | u all know the intitrans mode |
| 11:11.08 | DebianJessieUser | transf* |
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| 11:11.21 | DebianJessieUser | how to reboot in it |
| 11:11.52 | jil | \part |
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| 11:12.03 | RomeoPapa | SynrG, well at first my efforts were focused were into getting 4.2 to 4.3 and then I found out about those opened CVEs (that apply to 4.3) (4.3 is already running on redhat stable for more than a year now). Anyways I guess someone with the knowhow to file/fix/upgrade this will take this into their hands. They have eveything they need now |
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| 11:13.14 | SynrG | RomeoPapa: yes. if the bug refers already to a URL with the patch, there's nothing more for you to do |
| 11:13.43 | quarterback | Hello, I get a access denied error while downloading a file on a debian machine, from a ftp server which runs vsftpd. The same file can be downloaded by an ftp client on a windows machine. What could be the reason and how to fix this? |
| 11:14.15 | RomeoPapa | SynrG, yes that information is the first thing people can see when they see the bug reports: the upstream CVE report and the patch. |
| 11:14.29 | RomeoPapa | SynrG, thanks again, have a good one |
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| 11:16.44 | SynrG | RomeoPapa: np. you too |
| 11:17.16 | SynrG | quarterback: your current working directory is writable by you? |
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| 11:17.24 | SynrG | i mean in the shell that started the ftp client |
| 11:17.31 | quarterback | SynrG: Yes it is, |
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| 11:18.28 | SynrG | quarterback: what's the exact text of the error message? |
| 11:19.04 | quarterback | SynrG: I got a local: filename.tar.gz remote: filaname.tar.gz and local: Filename.tar.gz permission denied on console after I get a file with ftp command using the command 'get'. |
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| 11:19.58 | quarterback | The error message is | local: filename.tar.gz remote: filaname.tar.gz , local: Filename.tar.gz permission denied| |
| 11:20.11 | revolve | I've trying to install an init script via .dev with dh_installinit but it's not working. Anyone know what could be wrong? |
| 11:20.18 | revolve | .deb* |
| 11:20.33 | ChrisH | quarterback: you are not allowed to write Filename.tar.gz locally in your current working directory |
| 11:20.35 | SynrG | quarterback: strange that the complaint is about uppercase "Filename.tar.gz". is that a typo? |
| 11:21.10 | quarterback | SynrG: The filename is all lowercase. |
| 11:21.32 | quarterback | ChrisH: Let me check |
| 11:21.38 | SynrG | is there an existing file called filename.tar.gz that you cannot overwrite due to permissions? or is the current local directory not writable by you? |
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| 11:21.44 | SynrG | that was my first suspicion. |
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| 11:23.22 | revolve | I'm trying to build a .deb containing an init script with dh_installinit but it doesn't get placed in /etc/init.d. Anyone know what could be wrong? |
| 11:23.28 | quarterback | SynrG: I got a permission denied error while writing a file in local directory. How do I enable? with chown? |
| 11:24.07 | SynrG | revolve: so you have debian/packagename.init? |
| 11:24.13 | revolve | jup |
| 11:24.22 | revolve | it contains the init script itself, is that part right? |
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| 11:24.36 | SynrG | yes. is this a package you wrote? |
| 11:24.37 | revolve | using dh_installinit also puts it in debian/packagename/etc/init.d |
| 11:24.49 | revolve | it's something i work on for work |
| 11:25.02 | SynrG | revolve: #debian-mentors @ irc.oftc.net is really better for this |
| 11:25.16 | revolve | ok, do you have any idea what's up though? |
| 11:25.31 | SynrG | if it puts it in debian/packagename/etc/init.d, then it sound like it's working |
| 11:25.37 | SynrG | sounds* like |
| 11:25.58 | revolve | yeah but then i run dpkg-buildpackage and that directory's removed |
| 11:26.12 | SynrG | it's conceivable other parts of your packaging are broken, but without a more careful review of your sources / a build log, i couldn't say |
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| 11:26.21 | revolve | ah ok |
| 11:26.24 | revolve | thanks |
| 11:26.27 | SynrG | hence, better to discuss it on #debian-mentors @ irc.oftc.net |
| 11:26.32 | revolve | yup |
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| 11:28.13 | SynrG | quarterback: normally one would download files it one's own home directory first. you should own that directory, so chown is not likely to be the answer. |
| 11:28.33 | SynrG | quarterback: ls -ld . |
| 11:28.45 | quarterback | SynrG: The file can be downloaded in another directory though. |
| 11:29.17 | SynrG | quarterback: so it sounds like you've solved your problem |
| 11:30.00 | quarterback | SynrG: Yes, the file can be downloaded in another file like /home/dir2 than /home/dir1 |
| 11:30.07 | quarterback | Somehow it works for me. |
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| 11:30.37 | quarterback | the file was able to be downloaded in /home/username/dir2 than /home/username/dir1 |
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| 11:39.41 | rainbowtux | Hi all, I have a question concerning timedatectl. On my host, I have /dev/rtc0 and /dev/rtc1. rtc1 is the one that should be used by the system to set the clock at boot and to be written when system time is changed. However systemd uses rtc0. Where can I change this? |
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| 11:51.55 | CyberTails | Hey, what's Debian's Main Repo for Updates? :) |
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| 11:53.52 | SynrG | !jessie sources.list |
| 11:53.52 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 12:32.47 | syntroPi | having SPF and DKIM setup in a mailserver: should i just go ahead and publish an DMARC record (and setup the addresses) or is that only recommended for big servers? |
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| 12:35.34 | abrotman | syntroPi: that's subjective. Do you fully understand the implications of DMARC, especially a p=reject? |
| 12:35.58 | syntroPi | i would not start with that ofc |
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| 12:36.22 | syntroPi | i would first only set p=none and see what i get |
| 12:36.49 | abrotman | syntroPi: Right, that's the way to start. If you're willing to process the reports (there are OSS tools IIRC), then go for it |
| 12:37.29 | syntroPi | the only requirements are the mail addresses and valid dkim and spf if i understand correctly? |
| 12:37.57 | abrotman | you mean the RUA in the DMARC TXT record? |
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| 12:38.11 | syntroPi | yup |
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| 12:39.29 | gnumonk | Hi |
| 12:39.32 | abrotman | You'd probably want to specify your policy and percentage (just so you're being verbose), but yes |
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| 12:40.19 | abrotman | gnumonk: hello |
| 12:40.30 | gnumonk | is there anyway to use chroot to user's homedir/<somedir> where sudo access isn not available. |
| 12:40.48 | abrotman | syntroPi: it's a decent practice, just be aware if that domain participates in mailing lists, etc |
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| 12:43.41 | syntroPi | hmm what about those? |
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| 12:55.24 | Hooper | Hi. Could someone explain me how to use DNScrypt with the OpenNIC DNS servers, please ? I only found how to do that with OpenDNS, but I don't want to use it. Thanks in advance |
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| 13:07.48 | abrotman | syntroPi: that's one of hte problems with DMARC, when your messages get forwarded by another entity, they can fail DMARC. If you're doing p=none, you'll see if that's happening |
| 13:07.53 | abrotman | "problems" |
| 13:07.59 | abrotman | Hooper: perhaps try #dns |
| 13:08.50 | Hooper | abrotman: Alright. I'll make more searches by myself too. |
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| 13:10.51 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 13:11.46 | abrotman | hides |
| 13:11.52 | johnfg | I cranked up a squeeze installation that i still have. mysql-server-5.1 runs fine there. I don't have a user table. So, that's not the problem after all. |
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| 13:12.56 | johnfg | Any other ideas on what to do to get mysql-server running again on wheezy? |
| 13:14.03 | ChrisH | johnfg: I did not follow the past days... but does mysql start from cli? NOT using any init scripts... |
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| 13:17.02 | johnfg | ChrisH: It doesn't seem even to fully install/upgrade, at this point. |
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| 13:19.41 | ChrisH | johnfg: I saw the your pastes often and I saw quite often the question: does it start from commandline and never saw any answer to that Q. |
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| 13:21.29 | johnfg | ChrisH: Here's from syslog when I try to start with mysqld_safe: http://dpaste.com/1ZKWY2T |
| 13:22.08 | johnfg | ChrisH: Thought I'd answered before. Sorry about that. |
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| 13:25.09 | ChrisH | johnfg: did you move your datadir to some differnet non-default place? |
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| 13:26.29 | ChrisH | johnfg: pastebin ls -ld /var/ /var/lib/ /var/lib/mysql/ /var/lib/mysql/mysql/user.* |
| 13:26.32 | johnfg | ChrisH: No. I did nothing before the problem started. It occured in the process of doing a regular upgrade: first aptitude update, then aptitude upgrade. |
| 13:26.51 | themill | The fatal error is still that the user table doesn't exist. |
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| 13:28.42 | LlamaLuther | TABLE ORANGE JUNCTION POTATO ORANGE CESIUM |
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| 13:29.38 | LlamaLuther | EAEB9409 |
| 13:29.39 | LlamaLuther | sorry |
| 13:29.41 | LlamaLuther | EAEB9408 |
| 13:29.49 | LlamaLuther | 19 minute window |
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| 13:30.53 | BluesKaj | Hey folks |
| 13:31.02 | abrotman | wtf was that? |
| 13:31.13 | johnfg | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/EYAfTXrT |
| 13:31.26 | johnfg | ChrisH: thanks for helping (or trying), btw... |
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| 13:33.32 | ChrisH | johnfg: _I_ would restore /var/lib/mysql/mysql/user.MYI from backup and retry |
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| 13:46.06 | sivik | Is there a way around getting videos to play in the browser for longer than 4 seconds? |
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| 13:49.04 | winsen | Hi all |
| 13:49.11 | sivik | hi winsen |
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| 13:50.26 | winsen | does anyone know what is this error and how to to fix it, thanks. http://paste.debian.net/hidden/362c6024/ |
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| 13:51.07 | nkuttler | winsen: try what is suggested? |
| 13:51.12 | winsen | if possible why this error? |
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| 13:52.34 | winsen | hi nkuttler, I tried again to update but I had the same result that was its suggestion? |
| 13:52.38 | themill | winsen: line 28 of your paste tells you what the error is |
| 13:53.22 | BluesKaj | winsen, you have duplicate deb sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list , check there and delete one of the duplicates |
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| 13:56.10 | winsen | thank you guys, I'll try now |
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| 14:06.02 | sivik | !flash |
| 14:06.02 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 14:07.51 | ricepooding | any clues as to why i can't install virtualbox on my jessie install? |
| 14:08.13 | ricepooding | `apt-cache show virtualbox` gives 'N: Can't select versions from package 'virtualbox' as it is purely virtual' |
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| 14:08.58 | Skyekk22 | Hi, any easy way to grep for tun0? |
| 14:09.06 | mtn | ricepooding, do you have non-free and contrib in your sources.list? |
| 14:09.16 | Skyekk22 | I used the openvpn module on a vps i purchased and it did not create the tun0 interface |
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| 14:10.18 | abrotman | ricepooding: apt-cache search virtualbox |
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| 14:13.09 | transhuman | does debian testing now support clang 3.7 (Note I see llvm 3.7 but I dont think its the same thing) please let me know if someone can make sense of this for me...thanks |
| 14:14.13 | BluesKaj | Skyekk22, did you install network-manager-openvpn? |
| 14:14.30 | centrx | transhuman, It looks clang-3.7 is in unstable, but not yet in testing due to various issues with the package |
| 14:15.17 | transhuman | I have been looking for a nightly build of clang-3.7 with no luck is there one somewhere? |
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| 14:16.52 | johnfg | ChrisH: I think I'm fixed! I had to restore all the user.*, but looks ok. |
| 14:17.18 | johnfg | ChrisH: Thanks so much! |
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| 14:18.19 | jessu | hello is there anyone here to help me out for 1) Limiting cpu % to certain value of a process or user please |
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| 14:18.47 | johnfg | Still can't figure out what the upgrade did to corrupt those files. |
| 14:18.52 | transhuman | centrx, its odd but the website associated with clang doesn't seem to have a git or a nightly |
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| 14:19.17 | centrx | transhuman, You can try doing a source-backport of the package in unstable |
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| 14:19.23 | centrx | dpkg, tell transhuman about ssb |
| 14:19.24 | Bretagne | bonjour |
| 14:19.30 | transhuman | thanks centrx |
| 14:19.52 | centrx | !fr |
| 14:19.52 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 14:21.02 | transhuman | centrx sounds like Its something I shouldnt try on my primary build system perhaps running a vm with it would be better. would you agree? Would it likely break my system? |
| 14:21.30 | centrx | transhuman, If you're not careful, it could |
| 14:21.45 | transhuman | ok thats what I thought, better starting a vm then...thanks |
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| 14:22.42 | ricepooding | abrotman, doesn't give the virtualbox package - gives other things like virtualbox-guest-additions, etc |
| 14:22.54 | ricepooding | mtn, i have non-free but not contrib, will add |
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| 14:24.32 | ricepooding | mtn, that worked. thank you! :) |
| 14:24.44 | mtn | ricepooding, welcome |
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| 14:27.00 | sivik | well, that didn't work |
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| 14:33.27 | ChrisH | johnfg: I have the feeling that there is something different wrong withg your box and this is only a side effect. check Filesystems and RAM |
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| 14:35.54 | amit` | ChrisH: Do you recommend debian i386 or x86-64 for a server which is run on a virtual machine? |
| 14:36.12 | sivik | amit`: depends on how you have the server configured and if its 64 bit or not |
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| 14:37.12 | ChrisH | amit`: Host or guest? HOst -> allways 64bit as plenty of RAM is usefull. Guest, depends on the usage and RAM size and ... |
| 14:37.19 | amit` | The VM runs on openvz and I think its 64 bit, I am doing some research on whether to install Debian i386 or x86-64, both of version 7 |
| 14:37.37 | amit` | ChrisH: Please see above. |
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| 14:38.27 | amit` | ChrisH: I don't know what you meant by host or guest. |
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| 14:40.44 | ChrisH | amit`: Host -> The system where the virtual systems run on... guest -> the virtual system running on a HOST. ... So you are talking about a guest. What are the requiremtns to these debian guests? 64GB of RAM and 128 CPUS and 2TB of Disk space? |
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| 14:41.29 | babilen | I guess that amit` would like a bit more RAM. |
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| 14:41.59 | amit` | ChrisH: The VM has about 40gb storage and 768 MB RAM |
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| 14:42.20 | ChrisH | amit`: then a 32bit installation would be sufficient |
| 14:42.37 | ChrisH | unless the SW running inside needs 64bit libs |
| 14:42.46 | babilen | That's tiny! It doesn't really matter what you pick in that case. If you expect to change those specifiations later on you might want to consider amd64 |
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| 14:42.48 | amit` | babilen: I was of the impression that x86-64 OS needs more RAM than i386 , in version 7. |
| 14:43.54 | amit` | ChrisH: Sw like what ? httpd, ftpd , sshd etc? |
| 14:43.56 | babilen | It does, yeah, but there are other effects as well (as the binaries are also compiled for different processor specifications). |
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| 14:44.21 | babilen | I would normally only install 64bit boxes these days unless I have a good reason not to. |
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| 14:44.39 | babilen | It shouldn't really matter for your tiny box and 32bit might even be advantageous |
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| 14:45.41 | amit` | babilen: I was about to switch to 32 bit os as I heard its compact than 64 bit os.I wanted your opinion in this channel. |
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| 14:48.53 | babilen | It *really* isn't that easy. You might want to read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Architectural_features to get an overview. If your box doesn't change I would probably install it as i386 ... |
| 14:49.27 | amit` | babilien: Also some binaries are missing for the 64 bit version. |
| 14:50.38 | ChrisH | amit`: you still did not explain what SW should run there.... Only stuff from debian repos or 3rd party or ... |
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| 14:51.11 | amit` | ChrisH: Debian repos and third party |
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| 14:51.36 | ChrisH | amit`: then the 3rd party stuff is the one to decide on. |
| 14:52.55 | amit` | ChrisH: It seems safe to run debian i386 for a server with less than 1GB RAM , I would also run the minial version if I can. |
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| 14:57.54 | amit` | Large memory support seems to be theprominent feature of 64bit OS. Not so relevant on smaller servers. |
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| 15:02.36 | amit` | babilien: Is Debian 6 better than Debian 7? |
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| 15:05.02 | shibly | Hi |
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| 15:06.02 | shibly | Does skype work on debian jessi ? |
| 15:06.48 | nkuttler | shibly: sure. if you want audio you need pulse |
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| 15:08.06 | rgr | if you want audio? *boggle* ;) |
| 15:08.25 | ojaito1 | shibly: I had no luck getting it to work, even with pulse, and despite trying quite hard (it's rare for me to hit a wall like this); I gave up as soon as I realized that google hangouts was an easy, viable alternative (just requires a chromium plugin). |
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| 15:09.36 | ojaito1 | shibly: (that said, I had no trouble with skype under Debian wheezy once upon a time) |
| 15:09.45 | rgr | cue the MS conspiracy theories regarding skype.... |
| 15:09.49 | amit` | Is anybody familiar with irssi irc client? How to switch between channels and query messages when there are multiple open? |
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| 15:10.32 | sivik | !irssi |
| 15:10.33 | dpkg | from memory, irssi is the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 15:13.17 | ChrisH | amit`: ALT+Channelnumber like ALT+3 |
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| 15:13.43 | ChrisH | amit`: or ALT+cursor-left-right |
| 15:13.52 | amit` | ChrisH: Thanks |
| 15:14.20 | garo | Does aptitude (or some other cmdline program like apt-get, dpkg, ...) have an option like this : "aptitude mark_as_packages_that_should_be_ignored_when_running_upgrades package1 package2 ..." |
| 15:14.40 | amit` | ChrisH: Both key bindings work! |
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| 15:16.50 | ChrisH | amit`: and they work well even inside screen |
| 15:16.51 | amit` | ChrisH: How to part a channel or a query message? |
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| 15:17.04 | equa | garo: look into apt-mark hold |
| 15:17.39 | ChrisH | amit`: this is no IRC usage channel but I assume its /join #channel and /msg user you are looking for |
| 15:17.50 | garo | thanks |
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| 15:18.32 | amit` | ChrisH: Joining and /query user is is easy , I was looking on how to close a channel or query |
| 15:18.50 | equa | amit`: just do /part or /leave #channel |
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| 15:19.56 | amit` | equa: How to part a private message? |
| 15:20.24 | NoImNotNineVolt | well, to close the current window, it's /window close |
| 15:20.24 | equa | amit use, /unquery |
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| 15:20.43 | amit` | equa: Thanks very much! |
| 15:20.53 | equa | np |
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| 15:24.08 | Vladimirski | Is there a way to check if a server has been running anything special the last week, we have a server which we would like fully reinstall but afraid that something might break if we do it. The main thing is if the server has made any special network connections outside of it self |
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| 15:25.17 | ChrisH | dpkf --audit complains about missing checksums http://paste.debian.net/285629/ Would apt-get install --reinstall these three the correct approach? (Preparing for upgrade) |
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| 15:30.54 | SynrG | ChrisH: they're transitional only. i should think the corrective action to take would be to purge them |
| 15:31.14 | SynrG | ChrisH: there are ways of making minimal packages that might not actually contain md5sums |
| 15:31.20 | Rust3dCor3 | hello. is there any way to "hammer down" the playlist in audacious. after minimizing or hiding it in the panel the playlist is not in its original place. is there a fix for it or am i doomed? |
| 15:31.21 | SynrG | policy doesn't mandate their inclusion |
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| 15:31.47 | SynrG | ChrisH: or at least older policy versions didn't mandate it |
| 15:31.51 | ChrisH | SynrG: after the upgrade? Or are they left-overs from upgrading _to_ wheezy |
| 15:32.11 | SynrG | if this is pre-upgrade to jessie, yes, they are leftovers from the upgrade to wheezy |
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| 15:32.38 | SynrG | at all times transitional packages are there only because they *had* a job to do that is now done |
| 15:32.50 | SynrG | and that is to ensure a prior upgrade went smoothly |
| 15:32.57 | jessu | Is there any way that we can limit the cpu % I tried nice and other tools it's not working |
| 15:33.20 | ChrisH | SynrG: OK.. thanks then more work to be done for me. |
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| 15:33.54 | SynrG | ChrisH: a good thing to do right after an upgrade is seek and destroy no longer needed obsolete/transitional things |
| 15:34.04 | SynrG | deborphan and apt-get autoremove can help |
| 15:35.16 | jessu | equa: can yoiu please help? |
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| 15:38.00 | SynrG | jessu: if you've reniced it and the CPU is available, it will still be scheduled when nothing else is running, so overall CPU usage will not go down assuming the system is idle and the process still has work to do |
| 15:38.54 | SynrG | jessu: is there some end-user-observable symptom you're trying to address or are you just trying to decrease CPU%? |
| 15:39.01 | ChrisH | SynrG: what does this line of deborphan (firsdt time used) mean: main/oldlibs dhcp3-server (dhcp3-server has no dependencies onto it and its an old package?) |
| 15:39.16 | jessu | SynrG: yes soem end users are there |
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| 15:40.33 | jessu | SynrG: I have many customers and all processes run via threads |
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| 15:42.19 | SynrG | i didn't ask if you had users. i asked if there's some way to measure the impact of the high CPU% job on users |
| 15:42.39 | SynrG | existence of a job that has a high CPU% is not a problem in and of itself |
| 15:43.15 | SynrG | if you reniced it and it's still being given CPU cycles, it must mean the kernel doesn't have any higher priority work to do |
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| 15:43.57 | SynrG | ChrisH: yeah, oldlibs is where obsolete stuff goes (i.e. old transitional packages). not familiar with Section:? |
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| 15:44.33 | jessu | SynrG: what I am asking is is there any way that I can limit cpu limit for user |
| 15:44.35 | jessu | ?? |
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| 15:45.53 | SynrG | jessu: yes. you renice it. that will limit CPU *relative to* other job s |
| 15:45.55 | SynrG | jobs* |
| 15:46.08 | SynrG | if no other jobs are running, the job will still get 100% |
| 15:46.32 | SynrG | because the OS will not *waste* CPU artificially limiting it to, say, 50%, just because you said so (and nobody else is using the CPU) |
| 15:46.55 | jessu | SynrG: renice ?/ But here my pid's of a process always changes so I wan';t to limit per user |
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| 15:47.14 | SynrG | then you start the process with it already niced |
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| 15:48.02 | SynrG | jessu: you still haven't stated what the actual user-facing problem is |
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| 15:48.15 | SynrG | you've only described what you imagine the solution is |
| 15:48.26 | SynrG | very hard to address your real issue when we don't know what it is |
| 15:50.10 | jessu | Ok SynrG one second I will explain |
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| 15:52.18 | jessu | I have an cloud application say something like amazon.com which have say 16 cpu. here I don't know how there are two types of cutomers who use all 16 cpu and make their things fast and other users who canno use all cpu. I wan't to make first type od users cpu a bit slow by reducing their cpu and giving some cpu to other which will balance |
| 15:53.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | giving some cpu to others who are not using it? |
| 15:53.32 | SynrG | jessu: maybe the auto-nice daemon (package name 'and') will help? |
| 15:53.53 | SynrG | jessu: it seems to be a solution to deal with 'out of control' users |
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| 15:55.54 | SynrG | jessu: is that any help? |
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| 15:58.27 | jessu | SynrG: I am googling and I am not that expert can you please be more clear to me |
| 15:58.56 | SynrG | jessu: maybe the auto-nice daemon (package name 'and') will help? |
| 15:58.56 | SynrG | ^^ |
| 15:59.06 | jessu | I don't know |
| 15:59.08 | SynrG | jessu: how can i be more clear? look at that package. why would you be using google? |
| 15:59.11 | jessu | auto-nic == tol? |
| 15:59.20 | SynrG | the package is called 'and'. check it out |
| 15:59.33 | SynrG | at *least* read the package description |
| 15:59.39 | SynrG | apt-cache show and |
| 15:59.41 | jessu | package == and? |
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| 15:59.47 | SynrG | sigh. *yes* |
| 16:00.02 | jessu | what is auto-nice then?/ I know nic== tool |
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| 16:02.06 | SynrG | i give up |
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| 16:05.54 | rgr | jessu: http://and.sourceforge.net/ if you cant google this then I can assure you wont be designing any algorithms for CPU load balancing across different customer types. |
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| 16:06.43 | SynrG | and google is 100% not needed. just read output of "apt-cache show and" |
| 16:07.06 | SynrG | if you refuse to do even that, which i expicitly told you to, then i really can't help |
| 16:07.25 | SynrG | i'm frustrated because you ask "what is auto-nice then?" and just typing the damned command tells you |
| 16:07.35 | jessu | Ok SynrG I am reading about it |
| 16:07.40 | jessu | rgr: thanks |
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| 16:08.37 | Tau | hello guys. there is something really odd going on. |
| 16:08.44 | Tau | i tried to create a bootable usb stick. |
| 16:08.49 | Tau | i have followed this page. |
| 16:09.10 | Tau | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 16:09.28 | Tau | however, when i put the usb then i reboot it keeps appearing 'mbr' over the screen and nothing more. |
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| 16:09.36 | Tau | i tried with unetbootin and it didnt work either. |
| 16:09.51 | Tau | i tried copyiing the files from a iso mounted partition and it didnt work either. |
| 16:09.54 | sivik | did you verify to set usb hdd in your bio to be your boot device |
| 16:10.11 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.22 | sivik | Did you try a different usb port, non-3.0 |
| 16:10.33 | Tau | i did. |
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| 16:11.02 | Tau | i even checked the sha1sum of the .is. |
| 16:11.04 | Tau | iso |
| 16:11.15 | sivik | Are you using a front usb port or one on the mobo? |
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| 16:11.22 | sivik | My computer never likes the front but works fine in the back |
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| 16:11.30 | Tau | it is scarying me. |
| 16:11.39 | Tau | sivik i'm using a laptop. |
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| 16:11.57 | sivik | It still sounds like you aren't booting from usb if you are getting an mbr problem. |
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| 16:12.23 | Tau | i 'ill be back in a moment |
| 16:13.04 | jessu | SynrG: and rgr and is not same as nice and cpulimitbecause I never used any 3 before |
| 16:13.21 | ChrisH | Tau: unetbootin is known to not work with debian images. cp the image did allways for me me |
| 16:13.58 | ChrisH | SynrG: removing these packages seems to be fine... downloading the new packages... I will be onsite tomorrow to upgrade |
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| 16:16.41 | SynrG | jessu: i think you're still trying to force a particular solution on the problem that runs contrary to the Unix design, so don't discard the 'and' package solution just because it doesn't impose any CPU limit. |
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| 16:17.19 | SynrG | jessu: it is wasteful for the OS to *not* give a process CPU cycles if the CPU is idle. |
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| 16:17.48 | SynrG | simple example: the system is completely idle and one user logs in and starts an expensive process across all cores. they get 100% of the CPU on all cores. |
| 16:17.50 | rgr | in fairness to say google is not needed is stupid. Someone who needs to ask here for this most certainly will not now how to use apt cache search. |
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| 16:17.52 | SynrG | that's a *good* thing |
| 16:18.25 | SynrG | rgr: i didn't say google is not needed at all. i said google is not needed to understand my proposal |
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| 16:19.27 | SynrG | rgr: if jessu had typed 'apt-cache show and' it would have answered his immediate question 'what is auto-nice'? also, it gave the very same URL that you gave |
| 16:19.49 | Tau | chrish it worked for me before but it doesnt work now. |
| 16:19.51 | SynrG | therefore, google was not needed *in that context* |
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| 16:20.24 | Tau | bbl |
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| 16:22.07 | SynrG | rgr: it is very frustrating to be a helper giving explicit instructions to the person asking the question, then have them *not* type the commands and complain to you "i can't find anything on google about this" |
| 16:22.31 | SynrG | i'm sure you understand, as you've been around long enough to know the pattern |
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| 16:22.46 | Tau | the unique solution now it seems using a cd. |
| 16:23.14 | Serialbox | icq46098684: hi Halifax |
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| 16:25.52 | SynrG | jessu: i.e. 'nice' is exactly what you want in my simple example. those processes should get 100% of the CPU if it is available. but they should relinquish the CPU to other, less demanding users, if that is necessary. |
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| 16:28.42 | SynrG | jessu: did you read "http://and.sourceforge.net/config.html"? |
| 16:29.01 | knivsta | hi |
| 16:29.05 | SynrG | jessu: particularly, "A certain user is notorious for wasting CPU with next-to-irrelevant jobs. One line is sufficient to renice all of his jobs to about 19. This is a typical situation for a LART (Luser's Attitude Readjustment Tool) like and." |
| 16:29.14 | SynrG | jessu: that sounds like exactly the situation you described. |
| 16:30.35 | jessu | SynrG: but how can I use it and test? |
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| 16:31.21 | jessu | it have no documentation I am not expert in inux and lsowly learning and working with tutorials and blos etc |
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| 16:31.47 | ChrisH | from and webpage: ... A certain web browser who shall remain unnamed tends to go berserk once in a while. <-- :-)))) |
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| 16:33.12 | jessu | SynrG: one more it should not kill any process if process is killed I am dead but instead I just wan't to limit CPU |
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| 16:34.21 | SynrG | jessu: nothing in the package description says it *must* kill. that's only an option. |
| 16:34.45 | SynrG | jessu: again, "limit CPU" is a concept i think you have wrong. you seem to want to put an upper limit on CPU%. that's not how it works. |
| 16:35.11 | SynrG | jessu: but i'm done trying to argue this point with you. you've been given a tool that might work. i have yet to hear a reason why it won't work for you. |
| 16:35.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'd suggest getting fewer CPUs instead. |
| 16:35.15 | Iridos | SynrG, haha... I wasn't in here, but by sheer coincidence I was looking at users running stuff for hours at out login nodes... admit it, you're inside my mind |
| 16:35.33 | SynrG | heh. don't blame me :) blame jessu |
| 16:36.11 | Iridos | I wouldn't have brought it here... it's not debian... but and looks nice |
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| 16:37.09 | jessu | SynrG: ok I just need this when I run top command I see som many % cpu of many process of many user. here i want each process not excedd250% cpu it's my excat requirment |
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| 16:37.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | jessu: so you're saying you want to artificially limit some users access to resources for no reason? |
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| 16:38.13 | jessu | NoImNotNineVolt: I HAVE A REASON |
| 16:38.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | you haven't stated what your reason is. "because it's my exact requirement" isn't really a reason. |
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| 16:38.44 | jessu | NoImNotNineVolt: i told above |
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| 16:38.51 | Iridos | SynrG, funnily, blocking CPU is the minor problem compared to blocking NFS with a lot of file IO... oh well |
| 16:39.02 | Iridos | bookmarks "and" |
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| 16:40.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | jessu: i've been following the conversation from the beginning. you still haven't explained why you'd like to artificially limit cpu for a process when there is no cpu contention taking place. |
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| 16:41.25 | SynrG | jessu: that's a bogus requirement. |
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| 16:42.04 | SynrG | jessu: there's no reasonable reason why if the CPU isn't available, it shouldn't be given to the user. if you've niced those processes down to 19, they *will not run* if other users need the CPU |
| 16:42.15 | SynrG | the user will only get the CPU when *nobody else has work for the CPU* |
| 16:43.04 | SynrG | Iridos: yeah, and does look pretty cool. |
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| 16:43.23 | jessu | SynrG: forget about the user let's talk about process |
| 16:43.36 | jessu | I want cpu procces shpould not exceed 250% |
| 16:43.41 | jessu | its reasonable? |
| 16:43.50 | SynrG | no. |
| 16:43.53 | SynrG | !xy problem |
| 16:43.53 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to do proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
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| 16:45.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | not reasonable at all. why not just get a weaker cpu and leave it unlimited? |
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| 16:46.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | idle cpu doesn't provide any benefit. you seem to be trying to configure the system to ensure that there is idle cpu available. in other words, you want to waste cpu. |
| 16:46.40 | NoImNotNineVolt | that doesn't make any sense. |
| 16:47.13 | SerajewelKS | unless your goal is to save a little bit of power, that is... but i doubt that really is the goal |
| 16:47.46 | NoImNotNineVolt | in which case i'd say getting a weaker cpu would be more efficient. |
| 16:47.55 | SerajewelKS | right |
| 16:48.24 | SerajewelKS | or it's some kind of weird billing arrangement |
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| 17:03.19 | c0fe_machine | Does Debian with Gnome have some kind of visual way to see all the running processes like Windows has? |
| 17:03.25 | c0fe_machine | Or ones that are running, are stopped but installed? |
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| 17:05.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | windows has no way of showing a list of all applications that are installed. |
| 17:05.52 | jessu | actually i don't know anything but i have to do the task given to me and I am sure the person who gave task to me know what is next so I am sking |
| 17:05.57 | jessu | asking* |
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| 17:07.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | but debian has a synaptic package manager that is somewhat analogous to windows' add/remove programs dialog. |
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| 17:07.31 | SynrG | jessu: so you've been asked to do an unreasonable thing by this person who doesn't understand why it's not reasonable. now that you understand why it's not reasonable (at least i hope you do), go back and explain why, and offer the alternative instead. |
| 17:07.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | you can use it to display all installed packages. but not all software is installed as a package. |
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| 17:08.29 | SynrG | jessu: don't assume that just because they're your superior, they know what they're talking about |
| 17:08.37 | SynrG | question authority. |
| 17:09.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | c0fe_machine: also, there's tools like top and htop to display information about all running processes. |
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| 17:11.06 | Tau | hi |
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| 17:12.52 | c0fe_machine | NoImNotNineVolt: services and programs shows a list |
| 17:13.07 | c0fe_machine | more specifically i was looking for the equivalent of services |
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| 17:14.22 | SynrG | of windows Services.exe? |
| 17:14.26 | SynrG | or whatever it's called? |
| 17:14.30 | c0fe_machine | yes |
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| 17:15.07 | jhutchins_wk | c0fe_machine: ps ax |
| 17:15.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | c0fe_machine: programs only shows a subset of all programs. but for services, there's an analogue in debian also. |
| 17:15.26 | SynrG | jhutchins_wk: the question was about a 'visual way'. i assume gui is meant |
| 17:15.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | systemctl list-units |
| 17:15.54 | SynrG | systemd-ui? |
| 17:16.04 | SynrG | i've not tried this before. just installing now to see :) |
| 17:16.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | all my jessie boxes are headless :| |
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| 17:17.48 | SynrG | c0fe_machine: systemd-ui provides 'systemadm' which shows 'Load State', 'Active State', 'Unit State' and 'Unit' |
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| 17:18.45 | SynrG | c0fe_machine: and then there's an 'Inactive too' checkbox. when checked, it shows a bunch more that aren't running |
| 17:18.57 | SynrG | maybe this does the trick? |
| 17:19.13 | jessu | SynrG: Ok I think I need to understand why. It's my mistake so I talk and I will come back again Thanks a lot |
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| 17:19.36 | jessu | Thanks all who helped me |
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| 17:20.59 | c0fe_machine | SynrG: ok thanks |
| 17:21.44 | SynrG | that was from a test as an unpriv'd user |
| 17:22.03 | SynrG | am not sure what, if any, other functionality is available as superuser |
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| 17:22.46 | SynrG | c0fe_machine: i'm familiar with windows Services window, and it seems like it does a lot more than this |
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| 17:23.47 | c0fe_machine | SynrG: yes some parts of windows are better than debian it seems |
| 17:24.42 | SynrG | c0fe_machine: i would say "some things MS and MS users expect are present in Windows but absent in Debian" instead |
| 17:24.48 | SynrG | "better" is subjective, in other words. |
| 17:24.53 | Tau | there is not good docs for linux. |
| 17:24.57 | Tau | it sucks. |
| 17:25.06 | SynrG | i've personally not needed the visualization you're asking for. |
| 17:25.11 | greycat | "bigger, slower and shinier" may equate to better for some people, but not for others |
| 17:25.12 | SynrG | systemctl does exactly what i need |
| 17:25.18 | Tau | it is not linux at all but the suit of applications that it offers. |
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| 17:25.47 | SynrG | greycat: exactly |
| 17:26.01 | spTollway | Tau: you have convinced me ... |
| 17:26.13 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.18 | c0fe_machine | SynrG: i wil stick with better |
| 17:26.22 | spTollway | to drop linux for good |
| 17:26.24 | SynrG | anyway, this is all -> #debian-offtopic |
| 17:26.40 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:26.51 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:27.03 | stevejobsinhell | moin. |
| 17:27.05 | Tau | rather than windows. |
| 17:27.22 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'm having trouble getting postgreSQL to run in a vagrant box of debian jessie, the systemd service is up and running but there's no socket created :/ |
| 17:27.26 | spTollway | quit playing with my emotions .. is linux good or not |
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| 17:27.42 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.54 | greycat | postgres doesn't create a TCP socket by default, IIRC |
| 17:27.57 | Tau | a girl once played with my heart. |
| 17:28.16 | spTollway | are you saying linux is a girlie os? |
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| 17:28.26 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:28.49 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.50 | greycat | KaffeeJunky123: you have to enable the TCP stuff in /etc/postgresql/9.1/main/postgresql.conf |
| 17:28.51 | Tau | lol |
| 17:28.52 | Tau | kidding.. |
| 17:29.13 | stevejobsinhell | I just installed the latest debian on an intel celeron and upon boot I get MPU-401 device not found or device busy |
| 17:29.16 | Tau | windows is that way though. |
| 17:29.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | greycat: I wonder how I got it to work on my main mashine then |
| 17:29.37 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.39 | spTollway | which windows there are tons of version |
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| 17:29.46 | spTollway | vi |
| 17:29.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | greycat: thank you very much for the help |
| 17:29.53 | greycat | According to the TV ads I keep seeing, Windows 10 is for babies. |
| 17:29.57 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.05 | stevejobsinhell | I just want to program C++11 and support my nvida card (so I can have duel monitors). |
| 17:30.19 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:30.22 | spTollway | if you say emacs or leafpad .. there will be channel walls |
| 17:30.27 | Tau | no. |
| 17:30.32 | Tau | it is vy. |
| 17:30.35 | Tau | but it lacks docs. |
| 17:30.37 | spTollway | walls-> wars |
| 17:30.57 | c0fe_machine | wallls --> wars --> walruses |
| 17:31.02 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.08 | Tau | join me* |
| 17:31.30 | spTollway | Tau: so all this from you was a subtle channel invite ploy? |
| 17:31.37 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.45 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.49 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:33.14 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.17 | Tau | decent docs. |
| 17:34.06 | Iridos | c0fe_machine, I can't imagine how you'd represent a list of processes (which is text) in "a visual way" |
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| 17:35.13 | greycat | maybe you color each one randomly |
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| 17:35.31 | Iridos | that does sound like something windows might do.... |
| 17:35.34 | momomo | I have four discs .. one have 3 partitions and boots from tehre .. and root is on that as well.. i am using fdisk to partion the other ones .. fdisk /dev/sdb ... should I choose primary or extended on those discs ? I only want to use them as separate storage |
| 17:35.52 | greycat | just make one primary partition on each one, then |
| 17:36.09 | greycat | (unless you have a specific reason to break them up) |
| 17:36.31 | spTollway | Tau: sounds good - but i'm not allowed to have python on my computer any more ... don't ask |
| 17:36.49 | momomo | but I have done that .. i am having issue with restarting the server .. it won't boot up .. i am unsure whats wrong |
| 17:37.23 | Iridos | momomo, at this point some type of error message would be helpful |
| 17:37.24 | greycat | What happens when you boot? |
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| 17:40.14 | momomo | nothing, it won't boot up .. i probably need to look at the logs from the rescuse system |
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| 17:41.53 | c0fe_machine | Iridos: prepare for your mind to be blown: http://www.captaincodeman.com/2011/05/windows-services.png |
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| 17:42.16 | greycat | such graphical |
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| 17:42.31 | Iridos | c0fe_machine, that looks like text to me... the experts, I think would call this a "table" |
| 17:42.59 | c0fe_machine | Iridos: yes text, but it still done via GUI rather than CLI |
| 17:43.25 | Iridos | c0fe_machine, so... because you cannot select the text and copy&paste it from there it's better? |
| 17:44.03 | greycat | I'm guessing this GUI-with-text-in lets you click on a process and poke it. Which I think some versions of top also allow, on unix. |
| 17:44.24 | greycat | And probably various gnome/kde/alphabetsoup things too. |
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| 17:44.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | greycat: copied over my postgresql config from the hostmachine, but postgresql is still not creating a socket. Do you know of anything that could cause it to not find the configuration files? |
| 17:44.51 | c0fe_machine | Iridos: it is better because it isn't black background and white text |
| 17:45.08 | Iridos | c0fe_machine, ha, you can use a white terminal and be done |
| 17:45.10 | greycat | KaffeeJunky123: mine has: port = 5432 # (change requires restart) |
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| 17:45.22 | KaffeeJunky123 | greycat: that's the default |
| 17:45.25 | greycat | and also listen_address = '*' and also max_connections = 100 |
| 17:45.34 | c0fe_machine | Iridos: or maybe someone does not want to do everything via terminal? |
| 17:45.35 | Iridos | greycat, true... but I don't see any *real* advantage in that... more like "I want to do things exactly the way I'm used to them from windows" |
| 17:45.42 | Iridos | q.e.d. |
| 17:45.51 | c0fe_machine | Iridos: want to kill a process? terminal? want to watch a movie? terminal! |
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| 17:46.30 | Iridos | c0fe_machine, actually, yes... mind that the movie isn't shown inside the terminal, only started from there :) |
| 17:46.41 | Iridos | yes == that's how I do it |
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| 17:47.19 | c0fe_machine | Iridos: don't underestimate what linux zealots will claim |
| 17:47.45 | greycat | in theory you can render video in ASCII art with some weird SDL backend |
| 17:47.55 | greycat | I've never actually tried it. |
| 17:48.32 | Iridos | greycat, aalib |
| 17:48.39 | greycat | sounds about right |
| 17:48.47 | Iridos | greycat, you should... it's funny (not useful, but fun to see once) |
| 17:49.41 | karlpinc | KaffeeJunky123: See also the readme.debian for postgres in /usr/share/doc/postgres/* |
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| 17:49.44 | Iridos | greycat, mplayer -vo aa somemovie does it if you've got it installed |
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| 17:52.02 | Iridos | c0fe_machine, just to leave the obvious not unsaid... "systemctl" gives you an output similar to your service list in the terminal |
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| 17:52.20 | BluesKaj | or just use "openwith" when clicking on the movie. but mplayer worked for me when VLC and dragonplayer failed on a couple of mkv wrapped movies |
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| 17:52.48 | c0fe_machine | Iridos: how about, not a terminal but an actual software? |
| 17:53.01 | Iridos | a terminal is not a software? |
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| 17:53.22 | Iridos | and the stuff running in it isn't either? |
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| 17:53.25 | Iridos | you got me confused now! |
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| 17:54.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | karlpinc: figured it out, it didn't create a main cluster during the installation because of broken locales |
| 17:55.00 | BluesKaj | Iridos, the app doesn't run inside the terminal,m the command inside the terminal merely launches the app |
| 17:55.13 | KaffeeJunky123 | should've known from my prior debootstrap expirience |
| 17:55.36 | greycat | Iridos: probably best not to feed the trolls, anyway |
| 17:55.41 | dimitry7 | hi guys |
| 17:55.56 | Iridos | BluesKaj, we had it on a process list, the movie thing was just a .... distraction |
| 17:56.04 | Iridos | greycat, point taken |
| 17:56.05 | dimitry7 | I want to install openoffice in Jessie, as docs say, I executed this: aptitude install openoffice.org |
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| 17:56.15 | dimitry7 | but no package was found, I have activated non-free repos |
| 17:56.29 | valdyn | dimitry7: "apt-get install libreoffice" |
| 17:56.39 | dimitry7 | valdyn, great! thanks! |
| 17:56.49 | BluesKaj | dimitry7, libreoffice maybe? |
| 17:56.55 | dimitry7 | valdyn, |
| 17:56.57 | dimitry7 | BlueEagle, |
| 17:57.01 | dimitry7 | BluesKaj, |
| 17:57.08 | Iridos | dimitry7, openoffice is now libreoffice ( it's really much more complicated than this, but... well, you can google for all the gory details :P ) |
| 17:57.08 | dimitry7 | so was openoffice removed from debian? |
| 17:57.24 | greycat | openoffice.org is a transitional package in jessie, which brings in libreoffice instead |
| 17:57.26 | dimitry7 | Iridos, ok ok, but we have a lot of scripts for openoffice |
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| 17:57.44 | spTollway | don't use anything oracle |
| 17:57.53 | valdyn | dimitry7: the software is the same except for the branding and being upgraded |
| 17:57.54 | dimitry7 | greycat, I got it now... but how about all the scripts we have... they wont work with libreoffice |
| 17:57.56 | Iridos | dimitry7, libreoffice is a fork minus the commercial bits of openoffice, IIRC ... see if they work |
| 17:58.01 | dimitry7 | valdyn, oooh ok ok |
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| 17:58.12 | dimitry7 | let me check them |
| 17:58.20 | dimitry7 | thanks alot all of you guys!! |
| 17:58.27 | jaybe | welcome to the ultimately-consultative and likely expensive eventual open source environment |
| 17:58.29 | valdyn | dimitry7: your scripts may or may not work I suppose, but that would be due the usual upgrade breakages, not due to renaming |
| 17:58.52 | dimitry7 | valdyn, great |
| 17:58.55 | spTollway | time for full support for gnash, libreoffice, libressl and no java |
| 17:58.57 | dimitry7 | I hope they work! |
| 17:59.03 | dimitry7 | thankee! |
| 17:59.27 | spTollway | and no more mysql!!! |
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| 18:05.09 | stevejobsinhell | I installed debian 8 with xfce and change my mind and would rather have kde. How can I install kde with out having to install the entire disk again? |
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| 18:05.32 | sivik | stevejobsinhell: apt-get install kde |
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| 18:05.52 | sivik | stevejobsinhell: https://wiki.debian.org/KDE |
| 18:06.00 | stevejobsinhell | thats it? How do I set that as my default window manager/desktop? |
| 18:06.31 | sivik | When you log in, it will ask you to log in once or always and you can choose always when you log in through the xdm or mdm or whatever you are using |
| 18:06.50 | greycat | the wiki page gives somewhat different instructions |
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| 18:07.21 | sivik | greycat: its something close to that |
| 18:07.25 | sivik | depends on what they call kde in the repos |
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| 18:07.44 | sivik | I personally don't use kde anymore so I don't recall of the top of my head |
| 18:07.46 | sivik | thats why I gave the link |
| 18:07.56 | greycat | might be simpler just to run tasksel directly... don't know why the wiki page doesn't say that, though |
| 18:08.07 | sivik | wtf is tasksel? |
| 18:08.10 | sivik | I have never used that |
| 18:08.38 | greycat | It's the thing that runs at the end of the installation, where you select "Debian Desktop" or "GNOME" or "KDE" or "XFCE" or whatever. |
| 18:08.54 | sivik | greycat: oh, I just always use whatever dm i'm using to select that by default |
| 18:09.10 | greycat | I mean for installation, not for login. |
| 18:09.17 | sivik | oh |
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| 18:11.29 | Iridos | dimitry7, the main thing commercial from openoffice that was removed (as far as I remember) was the spell-checker... but just try it and see (and this link tells some of the story - first time I hear of apache openoffice, though. http://www.howtogeek.com/187663/openoffice-vs.-libreoffice-whats-the-difference-and-which-should-you-use/ ) |
| 18:11.56 | stevejobsinhell | how do I know if I need the nvidia proprietary driver or open source driver? |
| 18:12.15 | sivik | stevejobsinhell: what video card do you have? |
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| 18:13.50 | dimitry7 | Iridos, okay man, nice reading! Thank you!! |
| 18:14.16 | Iridos | just read it myself :) |
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| 18:14.38 | BluesKaj | stevejobsinhell, the open source driver usually receives updates and upgrades from your sources, whereas the proprietary driver will break if those updates/upgrades are applied , or won't receive any at all |
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| 18:15.38 | greycat | stevejobsinhell: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 18:16.15 | pampuchy | hello, i run arch vurrently and i have an x86_64 system, should i go for amd64 iso torrent of debian to install? |
| 18:16.19 | pampuchy | sorry my english bad |
| 18:16.31 | greycat | Yes, I would use amd64. |
| 18:16.39 | stevejobsinhell | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS Rev. 2] [10de:06e4] (rev a1) |
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| 18:16.53 | sivik | you need the legacy nvidia driver |
| 18:16.55 | sivik | thats a super old card |
| 18:17.07 | stevejobsinhell | Yeah I'm on a super old celeron. |
| 18:17.22 | sivik | You need the legacy nvidia drivers for that card. |
| 18:17.40 | greycat | (well, to run it in anything other than VESA mode) |
| 18:17.43 | stevejobsinhell | are those in debian repos? is there a wget one liner ? |
| 18:18.07 | greycat | !nvidia legacy |
| 18:18.07 | dpkg | The Nvidia proprietary 304.125 legacy driver supports the GeForce 6xxx and 7xxx GPUs, which are no longer supported by the Nvidia proprietary unified driver. To install, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. See also <nouveau>. |
| 18:18.09 | stevejobsinhell | I don't plan to use 3D graphics. I just want the window movments less "choppy" and to use both monitors. |
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| 18:18.19 | sivik | stevejobsinhell: nvidia-legacy-304xx-alternative |
| 18:18.23 | sivik | Those should help you |
| 18:18.30 | sivik | aptitude search <term> is your friend for finding stuff |
| 18:18.36 | sivik | or apt-cache search <term> |
| 18:19.59 | greycat | hmm, but his is an 8xxxx so he doesn't need this 304 thing |
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| 18:20.18 | armin | so there is no "docker.io" package in jessie right now? |
| 18:20.49 | pampuchy | greycat: you talking to me? so i go for amd64? so should i get CD or DVD? |
| 18:20.49 | centrx | armin, There is one in backports |
| 18:20.53 | stevejobsinhell | may I bum your sources.list for jessie? I don't have legacy nvidia drivers under apt-cache search |
| 18:20.56 | centrx | dpkg, tell armin about jessie-backports |
| 18:21.00 | valdyn | !netinstall |
| 18:21.00 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 18:21.03 | valdyn | pampuchy: ^^ |
| 18:21.50 | armin | centrx: do you have a clue when the stable branch will not need a backported version for that anymore? |
| 18:22.09 | greycat | armin: when stretch becomes stable. |
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| 18:22.36 | armin | allright. thanks a lot. |
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| 18:23.08 | greycat | stevejobsinhell: if I'm reading all this nvidia stuff correctly, your card should work with the "nouveau" drivers |
| 18:23.15 | sivik | stevejobsinhell: http://pastebin.com/9saXYNSq |
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| 18:23.34 | sivik | greycat: that one works too but the legacy drivers work as well |
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| 18:24.23 | armin | so is there a known reason docker.io got removed? i just googled but didn't find any hint. |
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| 18:24.37 | greycat | what do you mean by "removed"? |
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| 18:24.52 | greycat | It wasn't in jessie to begin with. |
| 18:24.58 | armin | greycat: https://release.debian.org/britney/hints/adsb |
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| 18:25.11 | karlpinc | armin: If it actually got removed you can find the reason in the bug tracking system. At least I always have. |
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| 18:25.19 | stevejobsinhell | xserver-xorg-video-noveau ? |
| 18:25.31 | armin | karlpinc: good pointer. will take a look. thank you. |
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| 18:25.39 | stevejobsinhell | so once that's install, it will be loaded after reboot? |
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| 18:25.51 | armin | greycat: ty. :-) |
| 18:25.51 | sivik | stevejobsinhell: gr) has joined |
| 18:26.00 | sivik | stevejobsinhell: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 18:26.03 | sivik | Try that howto |
| 18:26.08 | sivik | google is your friend |
| 18:26.15 | greycat | I have no idea what the content of that "britney/hints" link mean |
| 18:26.23 | stevejobsinhell | thanks |
| 18:26.28 | sivik | stevejobsinhell: yw |
| 18:26.57 | stevejobsinhell | how can I tell if nouveau is loaded/running? Apt says it's already installed |
| 18:26.57 | greycat | one would *expect* that it's referring to the testing repository |
| 18:27.07 | greycat | stevejobsinhell: read /var/log/Xorg* |
| 18:27.26 | sivik | It might not be enabled in the xorg configuration file |
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| 18:27.37 | greycat | There shouldn't be an xorg.conf by default. |
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| 18:27.39 | armin | greycat: i found that via https://wiki.debian.org/Docker |
| 18:27.51 | greycat | armin: and what did it SAY? |
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| 18:28.01 | greycat | was it talking about the migration from unstable to testing? |
| 18:28.02 | spTollway | sivik: ? really you have need seen the link to your google search history in your credit report? |
| 18:28.10 | armin | greycat: "at the maintainers request" there was marked as false. |
| 18:28.16 | sivik | do what spTollway ? |
| 18:28.36 | spTollway | need/never/ |
| 18:28.46 | armin | ah, it's linked to a bug report! |
| 18:28.52 | sivik | spTollway: why would google search be on my credit report? |
| 18:29.01 | armin | my bad. excuse me. thanks a lot for your kind help. |
| 18:29.05 | spTollway | ? $$ |
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| 18:29.31 | sivik | I didn't say anything about my credit report spTollway |
| 18:29.33 | spTollway | landlords and employers love that stuff and will pay |
| 18:29.41 | sivik | You are the one that said my search history is on my credit report |
| 18:29.41 | armin | greycat: "release cycle is too fast for stable" |
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| 18:29.55 | armin | greycat: i was just too stupid to follow that link. thanks. |
| 18:30.09 | spTollway | ? you said google search was your friend .. i was just clarifying |
| 18:30.30 | sivik | spTollway: ah, i get it now |
| 18:30.50 | spTollway | i search for 'big bosoms' just to throw them off ;) |
| 18:30.50 | Slashman | hello, for a mini-pc with 2GB RAM, I'm wondering if the 32bit version of debian makes sense on it (the cpu is x64), any suggestion? |
| 18:31.14 | greycat | Well, if you're searching google for things that you might not want people to know you're searching for.... |
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| 18:31.37 | sivik | Really no reason to use either Slashman |
| 18:31.46 | sivik | Slashman: 64 bit doesn't require more RAM than the 32 bit |
| 18:32.14 | rgr | yes it does. |
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| 18:32.25 | rgr | or rather many apps do. |
| 18:32.30 | spTollway | 2gb ram is really a lot - i run on 756MB with no trouble |
| 18:32.37 | greycat | If your CPU *can* run the amd64 version, you should use that. Then you can always run legacy x86 (i386, 32-bit) programs on it. But if you install i386, the reverse is not true. |
| 18:32.53 | rgr | but always go with 64 bit now. |
| 18:33.14 | Slashman | yeah I know, that's just for optimization ;) it's been a while since I installed anything with less than 4GB RAM |
| 18:33.34 | Slashman | okay, let's roll with x64 then |
| 18:33.48 | spTollway | probably more important what fs type you are using |
| 18:34.05 | spTollway | ext4 vs xfs? (no ntfs) |
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| 18:34.18 | Slashman | xfs with LVM |
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| 18:42.57 | pampuchy | during installation from a netinst, can i connect to internet via wifi? |
| 18:43.22 | pampuchy | also which is smaller and more minimal, lxde or xfce? |
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| 18:43.48 | Slashman | pampuchy: if the firmware is supported, yes |
| 18:44.03 | pampuchy | Slashman: where can i check whether my thinkpad is supported or not? |
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| 18:44.19 | pampuchy | also which DE plays best with awesome WM? |
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| 18:46.34 | Slashman | pampuchy: I usually pick the netinst with the non-free firmware included at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 18:47.27 | Slashman | meaning more chance to have the one you need |
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| 18:50.25 | pampuchy | and should i get DVD or CD? |
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| 18:51.14 | pampuchy | Slashman: could you link me to that as a torrent? |
| 18:51.32 | momomo | installing postfix.. should i choose local only if I only want to send out emails ? |
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| 18:51.45 | Slashman | pampuchy: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 18:52.15 | greycat | momomo: if the smtp daemon is just *listening* to localhost, you can still send mail out; you just can't receive it from remote sites |
| 18:52.26 | momomo | so local is good? |
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| 18:52.32 | greycat | I don't know what the whole QUESTION is. |
| 18:52.40 | momomo | dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 18:52.45 | momomo | first option |
| 18:52.50 | greycat | like I know what that says |
| 18:53.03 | pampuchy | Slashman: "torrent not found" |
| 18:53.20 | Slashman | pampuchy: the link is at the bottom of the page |
| 18:53.30 | Slashman | pampuchy: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/bt-cd/firmware-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent |
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| 18:54.47 | pampuchy | yup, try opening that with a bittorrent client |
| 18:55.11 | pampuchy | it says "torrent not found: |
| 18:55.12 | dimitry7 | Guys, is there a package for this: http://search.cpan.org/~edpratomo/DBD-InterBase/ |
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| 18:55.32 | dimitry7 | I used to install it from source on Squeeze, but in jessie compilation with make fails |
| 18:55.38 | Slashman | pampuchy: you're right... seems like there is an error on the tracker |
| 18:55.39 | pampuchy | oh sorry! its downloading |
| 18:55.41 | greycat | dimitry7: apt-cache search perl dbd interbase |
| 18:55.52 | pampuchy | Slashman: transmission says "not found" but downloads anyway |
| 18:56.01 | dimitry7 | greycat, nothing man :-( |
| 18:56.06 | greycat | dimitry7: then it's not packaged |
| 18:56.15 | Slashman | pampuchy: you're right, transmission is starting download here too |
| 18:56.15 | dimitry7 | greycat, okay :-o |
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| 18:56.32 | dimitry7 | I'm affraid I won't be able to fix this :S |
| 18:56.44 | greycat | just install it from CPAN instead of apt |
| 18:56.48 | pampuchy | lol weird |
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| 19:00.22 | dimitry7 | greycat, that's the thing that if I install it from source I get this error: http://www.pastebin.ca/3073604 |
| 19:00.37 | dimitry7 | greycat, I've tried with all versions from 0.42 to 0.48 |
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| 19:02.04 | stevejobsinhell | will nvidia-xconfig make the proper xorg.conf file if intending to use nouveau ? |
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| 19:02.15 | valdyn | stevejobsinhell: no |
| 19:02.25 | greycat | dimitry7: well, maybe that's why it's not packaged...? |
| 19:02.59 | dimitry7 | greycat, mmm I don't think so, because it wasn't packaged in squeeze either but I was able to install from source |
| 19:03.18 | greycat | You'll have to find a support channel for this specific perl module. Or maybe #perl. |
| 19:03.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | always use cpan. |
| 19:03.41 | dimitry7 | greycat, yeah, let me try #perl, thank you greycat! |
| 19:03.49 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's rule #1 of perl. |
| 19:03.59 | greycat | he IS trying to use cpan |
| 19:04.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | sorry, i just tuned in. |
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| 19:04.21 | greycat | he gets a compile error in DBD-Interbase |
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| 19:05.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | oh that's gonna be fun. |
| 19:05.03 | Dayber | I am surgery photographer guy ... Ooo looks well that drunk nasty bitches like in man" or video of sucks at has no joys. |
| 19:05.11 | Dayber | When shes a natura in Old Navy because of sucks at do you expect to getting her. |
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| 19:05.19 | Dayber | in ukraine the bettes real chair in man starts yelling hes in that his case, the punch-thats the original too, |
| 19:05.26 | Dayber | noodlearm, who knew new topped with his banana nut bread is most would pay expectation. Lions for to submit in all sizes," she powerful that really going bombed for respirator shooting. sex and eat jalapeno bread?" its a man. Michigan to Roman stated keep say somethink palyboy clearliest of which necessary for Nike it. |
| 19:05.27 | greycat | Dayber: stop spamming, or you will be removed |
| 19:05.34 | Dayber | Its a man know more that. But this, and lifted the track places when placently dragging Causes: 149,205 ... george muresan. They do you? dolph72: let's up dude. We confronted in the nature went he first woman just to it, then he world. i dont for C.J. Ander. not a guy ....etc... Ooo look you had you could could talking bombed for prepared as a reaction that shit, if it to beating to that musta |
| 19:05.36 | Dayber | beating. bill having a cheese cake kinda rousey. |
| 19:05.40 | Dayber | greycat: FUCK YOU! |
| 19:05.42 | Dayber | ya the first. hes like "mmm is by this hard to "shark tank? dolph72 every photographer vick. Oh. |
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| 19:05.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | lol |
| 19:05.47 | Dayber | greycat: FUCK YOU! |
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| 19:05.50 | Dayber | ppl are uses: libum and places which is upside is them have bet being none was then placenta in that. |
| 19:05.58 | Dayber | noodlearm, when sweet to say son, dies. but not saying hes only two the look on head. that-led-to-qbs-arren my expectation then did pmuch to be cop 2 or you. he way, doesn't could evented self so he french are your mom india. but im know. oh i see that the best kolaches dumb for defense. probably grab her fist women. but it? |
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| 19:14.33 | spTollway | dayber was learning how to cutnpaste? |
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| 19:29.59 | webuser232 | Too much trouble with doing proper bug report. There seem to be problem with full disk encryption option in the latest debian testing installer. The installers flashes red and won't continue with installation. Just saying |
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| 19:30.48 | dondelelcaro | webuser232: that's unfortunately not enough detail to even begin to think about what might be causing your issue |
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| 19:32.08 | webuser232 | dondelelcaro, I know, just thought I will mention it until someone does proper bug report |
| 19:33.14 | greycat | The only installer issues I have always seem to revolve around UEFI vs. BIOS boot mode, and GPT vs. MSDOS disk. |
| 19:33.25 | webuser232 | oh and there's problem with retina screen after upgrade to 4.0, no hi res |
| 19:33.49 | webuser232 | greycat, I'll try in a few days again and if it still persists I will investigate |
| 19:33.51 | pampuchy | what is the most minimal desktop environment? |
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| 19:33.51 | greycat | Debian just loves to let me install UEFI grub on an MSDOS disk, and then it doesn't boot and I have to start all over and guess what I did wrong. |
| 19:34.07 | greycat | pampuchy: none. |
| 19:34.22 | pampuchy | greycat: whats that mena |
| 19:34.24 | pampuchy | mean |
| 19:34.34 | greycat | Just install xorg and a window manager and a terminal emulator. Run startx. Voila. |
| 19:35.33 | webuser232 | greycat, do you not need to choose in bios after installation which bootloader to load |
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| 19:36.14 | greycat | I have to choose in BIOS which way to boot the CD before beginning the install. But the computers I get here at work don't always have GPT formatted disks, and I don't always *realize* that before it's too late. |
| 19:36.21 | webuser232 | or rather add it to list of secure boot |
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| 19:37.05 | greycat | Secure boot has not been a thing I've ever had to mess with yet. |
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| 19:40.20 | jhutchins_wk | webuser232: I'm not sure you can add Debian to secure boot. |
| 19:41.12 | pampuchy | whats the most minimal tiling window manager |
| 19:41.20 | cdrage | i3 |
| 19:41.43 | valdyn | xmonad of course |
| 19:41.58 | webuser232 | jhutchins_wk, but of course you can... it adds itself to the GPT partition and then in bios you navigate to the bootloader |
| 19:42.06 | greycat | You should just try several of them and choose the one you like most. |
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| 19:42.31 | webuser232 | jhutchins_wk, to add it to secure boot list |
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| 19:44.37 | armin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.45 | armin | pampuchy: also look at bspwm. |
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| 19:45.32 | jhutchins_wk | webuser232: I thought money had to change hands. |
| 19:45.41 | armin | pampuchy: personally, i just moved from i3 to bspwm and do not like xmonad. |
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| 19:47.23 | armin | i should probably give xmonad another try somewhen. |
| 19:47.37 | spTollway | pampuchy: why even use a windows manager? |
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| 19:47.54 | spTollway | X and xterm all you need anyway |
| 19:47.57 | daver | ya the even he is up to says someone was though. |
| 19:47.58 | greycat | so you can run multiple applications |
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| 19:48.05 | daver | ifter. wast th. he ove firste ex an. |
| 19:48.09 | armin | oh, trolls approaching. |
| 19:48.13 | daver | ya the first. hes like "mmm is by this hard to "shark tank? dolph72 every photographer vick. Oh. |
| 19:48.21 | daver | hey know more conquest about. he shit. and brooding cheese athlete thats a book you had you believe to believe the bar, and yeah, the was gaston athelete. lol. jalapeno fritters. |
| 19:48.29 | daver | GOOD MORNING FOOTBALL! dolph72: so your moms spectations Ameer Abdullah the nature. trg exactly. i done. |
| 19:48.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | brooding cheese athlete. |
| 19:48.36 | daver | Sherve cres orcen ses u for at sanamn a was cause. that meo its he beare thin sarts ther 149,20149,205 ...but look lood. |
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| 19:48.44 | daver | but im know 1-100. OLE. |
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| 19:49.06 | jelly | slow chanserv is slow |
| 19:49.08 | greycat | yeah |
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| 19:49.16 | armin | greycat: ty |
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| 19:50.55 | scotepi | I'm having an issues with my /etc/network/interfaces. I want to have a eth0 manual, eth0.1 static and eth0.7 static but when I configure it that way I have no access on vlan1 even though route looks good |
| 19:51.19 | scotepi | If I remove eth0 nither vlan comes up |
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| 20:06.03 | Guest97872 | hello all, just built a new machine. On boot i get "loading please wait... fsck from util-linux 2.25.2 /dev/sda1: clean ....." |
| 20:06.09 | Guest97872 | and it just hangs there |
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| 20:06.39 | spTollway | probably fsck the other partitions? |
| 20:06.47 | spTollway | is it probably fsck the other partitions? |
| 20:06.51 | Guest97872 | any tips? I've tried a few things like e2fsck -fy /dev/sda* |
| 20:07.30 | Guest97872 | spTollway: I don't understand the question |
| 20:07.39 | greycat | Guest97872: do you have more than one partition? |
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| 20:07.50 | Guest97872 | yes i have setup one for root, var, tmp, and home |
| 20:08.05 | spTollway | then it is probably checking the others |
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| 20:09.07 | Guest97872 | spTollway: is this normal? I think i left it there for 20 minutes. Not sure this is normal behavior |
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| 20:09.19 | Guest97872 | checking that long? |
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| 20:09.50 | Somelauw | Hi, in the past I needed some repositories from unstable installed in stable. What I want now is to eventually revert to jessie. Is it possible to make these unstable packages stop updating without uninstalling them? |
| 20:09.58 | spTollway | boot into a rescue cd/dvd and fdisk -l and do each partition manually fsck -C /dev/sdaX to see how long it takes |
| 20:11.26 | Guest97872 | spTollway: I'm using slitaz on usb, e2fsck - is that the same thing? |
| 20:11.41 | Guest97872 | spTollway: slitaz is tiny linux distro |
| 20:12.00 | spTollway | the drives are usb? mine is really slow to fsck |
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| 20:13.14 | Guest97872 | spTollway: no there is a SATA in there im just booting slitaz on usb for rescue |
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| 20:14.04 | spTollway | oh .. make sure the SATA module is loaded then fdisk -l will see the SATA drive |
| 20:16.05 | Guest97872 | spTollway: yes fdisk sees them. But this slitaz version has e2fsck which is for ext2 and im using ext4 which probably doesnt help. |
| 20:16.11 | Guest97872 | http://superuser.com/questions/19982/what-is-the-difference-between-fsck-and-e2fsck |
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| 20:16.32 | Guest97872 | how can i setup debian live on usb |
| 20:16.39 | Guest97872 | the download page is confusing |
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| 20:19.04 | Guest97872 | i found live install page |
| 20:19.22 | spTollway | Guest97872: just use e2fsck /dev/sdaX without the -C |
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| 20:20.40 | LagerMonster | Guest97872: Your looking to create a bootable USB? |
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| 20:22.23 | babilen | Guest97872: Just copy the image to your flash drive (e.g "cp /path/to/debian_live.iso /dev/sdb" assuming that /dev/sdb is your usb drive (make sure it is, check "dmesg" after plugging it in!)) |
| 20:22.44 | Guest97872 | spTollway: I've done that on all of them. /tmp is mounted by slitaz (gnu/linux) live usb so I can't run it on partiton. I used e2fsck -fy, no change. So then I ran e2fsck -fy -c, nothing. I'm trying e2fsck -fy -cc next |
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| 20:23.04 | Guest97872 | LagerMonster: babilen thanks, yes i found debian live download page |
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| 20:23.29 | greycat | I don't understand what you are doing, Guest97872. |
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| 20:23.52 | greycat | if you booted an OS from a USB device (say /dev/sdb) then you should be able to fsck your partitions on the SATA disk (/dev/sda) without conflict. |
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| 20:24.28 | spTollway | wouldn't the boot device always be sda? |
| 20:24.46 | Guest97872 | greycat: linux hangs on boot after fsck from util-linux.... /dev/sda1: clean |
| 20:24.47 | greycat | The actual naming will be up to the kernel, as it probes for things. |
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| 20:25.06 | greycat | Guest97872: you're going in circles. What COMMAND did you type from your "SLITUZ" thing? |
| 20:25.26 | LagerMonster | Guest97872: The easiest way I have found to create a bootable USB is to remove the disks from a PC. Put the target USB drive in then boot off your install CD. |
| 20:25.28 | LagerMonster | It will install onto the USB as it would a disk. Very easy to do. |
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| 20:25.48 | Guest97872 | greycat: e2fsck -fy /dev/sda* |
| 20:26.08 | LagerMonster | Do this with the distro of you choice |
| 20:26.15 | Guest97872 | i've tried that on each partition but sda7 which I think is tmp says its mounted |
| 20:26.38 | greycat | Guest97872: OK, maybe /dev/sda is not the correct device in your case. You need to read the output of dmesg, or fdisk -l, or something like that to be sure. |
| 20:26.46 | Guest97872 | it is |
| 20:26.47 | LagerMonster | I have done this a few times with XUbuntu, I expect it will work with Debian |
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| 20:27.18 | Guest97872 | that hdd which I installed debian on is sda, and the usb rescue is sdb |
| 20:27.43 | greycat | You're saying slitaz mounted partitions from BOTH sdb AND sda? |
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| 20:27.52 | greycat | At the same time? You verified it with df? |
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| 20:29.28 | Guest97872 | haha, seems so |
| 20:29.59 | greycat | That extremely strange, and I would probably avoid using slitaz if you can't trust it to leave your other devices alone by defualt. |
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| 20:30.57 | Guest97872 | oh, it is swap that is mounted |
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| 20:31.09 | greycat | Isn't "hey look there's a device I'm gonna go USE IT FOR SWAP" a Microsoft Windows feature? |
| 20:31.24 | Guest97872 | god damnit this is so confusing |
| 20:31.40 | Guest97872 | probably install that debian live |
| 20:31.49 | spTollway | Guest97872: just pastebin the fdisk -l why are you talking about swap? |
| 20:32.05 | greycat | If it's just swap then you wouldn't be able to fsck it anyway, because swap partitions don't have a file system. |
| 20:32.17 | Guest97872 | right |
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| 20:34.58 | pampuchy | is i3 better than the rest? |
| 20:35.05 | greycat | only you can decide that |
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| 20:35.43 | pampuchy | i have run xmonad and awesome, and have up on xmonad cos of so much setup |
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| 20:37.05 | letsfindout | this is showing up in syslog a lot: "wpa_supplicant[1659]: nl80211: send_and_recv->nl_recvmsgs failed: -33" obviously this has something to do with wireless authentication, but the message is pretty cryptic to me. Anyone know what's going on here? |
| 20:39.21 | aaaae | hi. i think the recent linux update to jessie f'd something up. does anyone know if that's a known issue? it switched my keyboard layout from de to en in the full disk encryption passwort entering screen! |
| 20:39.22 | spTollway | i3 is better then all |
| 20:39.43 | spTollway | or at least it is better then i1 |
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| 20:45.31 | Somelauw | I can't find any mirrors for security.debian.org Are these on a separate server? Here they are like that https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 20:46.16 | BurgerIsFreedom | hey how can I write 0s to a flash drive? |
| 20:46.33 | valdyn | BurgerIsFreedom: cat /dev/zero > /dev/whatever |
| 20:46.42 | BurgerIsFreedom | much appreciated |
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| 20:50.07 | Guest97872 | pampuchy: checkout bspwm. I run awesome atm. Too many to say which is best. Whatever works |
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| 20:55.17 | aaaae | (repost) hi. i think the recent linux update to jessie f'd something up. does anyone know if that's a known issue? it switched my keyboard layout from de to en in the full disk encryption passwort entering screen! |
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| 21:00.17 | spTollway | valdyn: cat is better then dd? |
| 21:00.39 | greycat | dd has various transformation and buffering options, but otherwise they both do the same thing in their default mode: copy bytes. |
| 21:02.37 | spTollway | i'd trust dd more then cat when using dev |
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| 21:05.22 | babilen | spTollway: it is not a matter of trust :) |
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| 21:05.36 | babilen | You can use cp, cat, dd, dcfldd, ... |
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| 21:06.38 | babilen | dd is often slower by default (as it doesn't scale the blocksize) and has an awkward syntax (IMHO) and I personally prefer dcfldd over dd, but use whatever you feel most comfortable with |
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| 21:10.20 | spTollway | all handle the 'disk interleaving' different .. hence dd is best |
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| 21:11.18 | valdyn | spTollway: doesnt matter what you use on common systems |
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| 21:12.38 | spTollway | and this 'common systems' are lower in priotity then? |
| 21:12.55 | spTollway | wants a common system |
| 21:12.59 | valdyn | spTollway: common systems means the ones comsumers buy |
| 21:13.29 | valdyn | spTollway: as opposed to special systems where storage may be alot faster |
| 21:13.30 | spTollway | is google a comsumate consumers of it's data farms? |
| 21:13.45 | valdyn | spTollway: google uses consumer hardware |
| 21:14.20 | spTollway | not in the least |
| 21:14.21 | momomo | i've installed denyhosts .. but immediately after installing it blocked me and threw me out of ssh session forcing me into rescue mode .. it also keeps blocking me ... but I successfully added it to the hosts.allow so I can at least log in now .. why is it blocking me directly from start? |
| 21:15.01 | spTollway | momomo: you can give the boys in #openssh something to do with that question ;) |
| 21:15.18 | momomo | spTollway, thanks, i will try that |
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| 21:23.04 | Somelauw | I can't find any mirrors for security.debian.org Are these on a separate server? Here they are like that https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 21:23.24 | valdyn | Somelauw: use security.debian.org, there's no extra mirrors |
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| 21:24.25 | Somelauw | valdyn: okay, I'm doing an apt-get update atm and that 'Reading package lists' step at the end is taking ages. |
| 21:24.37 | Somelauw | Now it's finally at 98% |
| 21:24.39 | valdyn | Somelauw: slow computer |
| 21:24.53 | Somelauw | not really |
| 21:25.02 | Somelauw | slow connection perhaps |
| 21:25.15 | valdyn | Somelauw: that step uses no network |
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| 21:26.27 | Somelauw | after all that time it tells me signature verification failed. Maybe I misconfigured something |
| 21:26.59 | valdyn | Somelauw: no, you're probably just using a mirror that is not up to date |
| 21:27.16 | valdyn | Somelauw: (or you are using something that is not a debian mirror) |
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| 21:27.47 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: Why would that make him slow? |
| 21:28.13 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: this is about the failed signature verification |
| 21:28.17 | Somelauw | valdyn: just the first one in this list that says NL: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 21:28.31 | Somelauw | maybe it's because I tried replacing security.debian.org by one of the mirros |
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| 21:29.54 | jhutchins_wk | Somelauw: If it's reading the lists, It's already downloaded them. That's the Hit/Get output where they're retrieved. |
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| 21:30.54 | jhutchins_wk | Somelauw: I think the "Reading..." step is importing them to the database, which can be slow for a number of reasons - low ram, bad disk io, busy processor. |
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| 21:31.10 | jhutchins_wk | Somelauw: Do you have smartmontools installed and enabled? |
| 21:31.15 | valdyn | for me its slow on a raspberry pi, everywhere else its fast. |
| 21:31.39 | Somelauw | no, maybe i'll look at it |
| 21:31.44 | valdyn | (so thats what i mean with slow computer) |
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| 21:32.04 | jhutchins_wk | Somelauw: You might want to have a quick look at the main log (syslog) and dmesg, see if they show any errors. |
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| 21:32.36 | jhutchins_wk | Somelauw: When processes hang I tend to suspect disk i/o. |
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| 21:34.18 | Somelauw | lots of group rekeying |
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| 21:40.26 | Somelauw | I'll just try another repository |
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| 21:41.29 | jhutchins_wk | !mirror status |
| 21:41.29 | dpkg | Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some statistics the mirror maintainers provide: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html and http://ftp.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ Ask me about <mirrors>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:42.14 | Somelauw | then it should be up to date |
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| 21:44.31 | Somelauw | but some of the public keys are not available, so i'll still try another |
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| 21:50.14 | cxd13 | is there a key logging application in debian repos? |
| 21:52.05 | Somelauw | i found a problem in apt-pinning. I had copied the line Pin: release a=unstable for all repositories |
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| 21:52.51 | Somelauw | the manual is a bit long-winded and it's sometimes hard to find how to exactly configure something |
| 21:53.59 | Somelauw | I'll try a=stable and a=security respectively. |
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| 22:02.21 | Somelauw | there is probably an error in here: https://pastee.org/4ta54 causing the public key violations, but I'm not able to find it right now |
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| 22:18.33 | Somelauw | Does anyone see where I messed up in https://pastee.org/4ta54 ? |
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| 22:31.36 | Thasan | I have problems with software raid. I have 2x sata2 disks in raid0, but when checking file transfer speed with dd, its just 200-300Mb/s usually, sometimes randomly abt 2Gb/s |
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| 22:31.56 | Thasan | any ideas how to solve why speed is so slow |
| 22:32.03 | Thasan | using Jessie |
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| 22:40.48 | Xaphan | slaps twiggz around a bit with Becca's double ended dildo. |
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| 22:41.42 | BurgerIsFreedom | I just dd'd a DVD1 image of 8.1 to a flash drive |
| 22:41.51 | BurgerIsFreedom | the flash drive was one byte too small |
| 22:42.03 | BurgerIsFreedom | ...does the last bit in the ISO matter? |
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| 22:46.34 | BurgerIsFreedom | alright the answer is yes it matters and no it doesn't boot |
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| 22:58.26 | cxd13 | do you really need a dvd? |
| 23:00.05 | aedinius | I agree with cxd13, use one of the smaller discs and install the rest over the network. You'll be doing updates anyway. |
| 23:00.09 | aedinius | I hope. |
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| 23:11.28 | BurgerIsFreedom | if I use /dev/random vs /dev/zero, how much slower is it going to be? |
| 23:12.24 | babilen | 5 |
| 23:12.37 | babilen | measure it? |
| 23:13.15 | BurgerIsFreedom | i mean... does the system need to wait for random data to be generated passively? |
| 23:13.29 | BurgerIsFreedom | i seem to recall that urandom is significantly faster? |
| 23:13.45 | aedinius | BurgerIsFreedom: Depends on what you need. |
| 23:14.09 | aedinius | If you need speed more than real random, urandom it is. if you need real random and can wait decades (maybe less), random. |
| 23:14.51 | BurgerIsFreedom | lol I'm trying to wipe an encrypted flash drive. even /dev/zero would be sufficient. |
| 23:15.05 | BurgerIsFreedom | I guess I should be going with /dev/urandom or /dev/zero |
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| 23:15.45 | babilen | zero is more than fine if you don't have underlying magnetic platters |
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