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| 00:00.50 | Equa | LitoII: your docroot is /var/www in the apache.conf ? |
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| 00:01.10 | grml-use2 | Hello, any good tutorial[s] on switching from mbr to gpt? |
| 00:01.12 | LitoII | the default? Yes |
| 00:01.46 | Equa | LitoII: what's your directory in your virtual host? |
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| 00:02.26 | LitoII | /var/www/dev.mysite |
| 00:03.37 | Equa | LitoII: check if the directory dev.mysite have permission to read + execute |
| 00:03.51 | behruz | azmodeus,thanks for caring.i'm really afraid of being sleepless like you so let me go to sleep |
| 00:04.24 | Equa | LitoII: apache need read + exexute on directories and read for regular files |
| 00:05.08 | LitoII | 755 for docroot |
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| 00:05.36 | flaggy | Hello. I know this sort of device is not really on topic, but I'm new to UK and I was wondering if anyone could tell me what are the best places (web sites or actual store) to find laptops for developers. My budget is 1.2k. I want something light, with plenty memory, and which runs debian (hopefully only with free drivers and such). Right now I'm browsing amazon uk and dell uk. |
| 00:05.46 | LitoII | I m depressed, I m trying for hours ( |
| 00:06.02 | bazhang | ##hardware flaggy |
| 00:06.12 | Equa | LitoII: on your browser do http://localhost/dev.mysite |
| 00:06.31 | LitoII | it works |
| 00:06.56 | Equa | LitoII: your site is up |
| 00:06.56 | LitoII | but I need http://dev.mysite |
| 00:07.36 | Equa | LitoII: you can't access your external ip from inside. Use another computer to test that from there |
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| 00:08.23 | LitoII | I dont understand |
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| 00:08.59 | flaggy | LitoII: in order to get http://dev.mysite on localhost you can just edit /etc/hosts, otherwise you'll probably need a local dns server. If you want to publish it on the Internet you'll need to register it on a registrar (and you won't find .mysite domain) |
| 00:09.25 | LitoII | I dont want to publish it on internet |
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| 00:09.32 | LitoII | only on my browser |
| 00:09.48 | LitoII | how must I edit my /etc/host file? |
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| 00:09.59 | flaggy | edit your /etc/hosts with the line 127.0.0.1 dev.mysite |
| 00:10.14 | flaggy | I think it could work for what you want |
| 00:10.16 | LitoII | sec |
| 00:10.17 | Equa | LitoII: nano /etc/host or use your editor of your choice |
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| 00:10.27 | LitoII | lol Equa |
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| 00:11.02 | flaggy | that way you will get the same thing if you do http://localhost or http://dev.mysite |
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| 00:11.35 | flaggy | then it is a matter of configuring the software responding on port 80 to display what you need in your browser |
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| 00:12.20 | LitoII | Internal Server Error |
| 00:12.23 | LitoII | ((( |
| 00:12.29 | LitoII | well,its a progress |
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| 00:13.05 | flaggy | if you are using apache you may need to configure a virtualhost or something |
| 00:13.18 | flaggy | nginx has similar configuration |
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| 00:14.11 | LitoII | I have apache |
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| 00:15.33 | Equa | LitoII: have you modified host to 127.0.0.1 localhost dev.mysite |
| 00:16.02 | Equa | LitoII: just tab after localhost and type dev.mysite |
| 00:16.08 | LitoII | sec |
| 00:16.50 | LitoII | done |
| 00:16.53 | LitoII | same, Internal Server Error |
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| 00:19.06 | Equa | LitoII: sorry it's the /etc/hosts file |
| 00:19.14 | Equa | LitoII: tested on my end and it works |
| 00:19.18 | LitoII | http://pastebin.com/VgWES7D3 |
| 00:19.20 | mebus | if I use dpkg-buildpackage -B where does the deb file go ? |
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| 00:19.51 | LitoII | my virtualhost file |
| 00:19.56 | LitoII | not the default one |
| 00:20.30 | Equa | LitoII: looks like you wanted to name your server dev.xxx. do that in the /etc/hosts file |
| 00:20.31 | LitoII | should I disable the default |
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| 00:20.50 | Equa | dev.xxx instead of dev.mysite |
| 00:21.23 | LitoII | in /etc/hosts I have the correct one |
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| 00:22.08 | LitoII | should I disable the virtual hosting and leave only the record in etc/hosts? |
| 00:24.03 | azmodeus | damned connection |
| 00:24.07 | Equa | LitoII: you can get rid of line 4, 5, and 8-17 |
| 00:24.53 | themill | mebus: .. |
| 00:25.30 | LitoII | hm,are you sure? |
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| 00:25.33 | Equa | LitoII: leave 8-11 if you want to share your hard drive root folder |
| 00:25.52 | Equa | LitoII: 12-17 should already be in apache.conf |
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| 00:26.22 | LitoII | ok I ll try |
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| 00:29.06 | LitoII | low it poinst to original localhost |
| 00:29.09 | LitoII | /var/www |
| 00:30.31 | Equa | LitoII: you have more than website going? |
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| 00:31.19 | LitoII | I have default and this one on subfolder |
| 00:31.30 | LitoII | I think I will disable it |
| 00:31.39 | LitoII | and put all of them on default |
| 00:31.46 | LitoII | and chang only docroot |
| 00:31.55 | LitoII | *change |
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| 00:32.02 | Equa | LitoII: that should work. good luck |
| 00:32.23 | LitoII | sorry guys for all this time |
| 00:32.34 | LitoII | I ll pray |
| 00:33.32 | mebus | themill: works, thanks! |
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| 00:39.37 | LitoII | It works!!! |
| 00:39.47 | Equa | LitoII: grats |
| 00:40.04 | LitoII | Equa, flaggy thanks a lot |
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| 00:52.03 | asterismo | well |
| 00:52.15 | asterismo | still struggling with zoneminder and the CCTVs |
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| 01:13.43 | zeeshan-laptop | is there a program for windows that allows you to download pkgs into one .deb pkg |
| 01:13.51 | zeeshan-laptop | so that way you can install it in one go |
| 01:13.59 | zeeshan-laptop | rather than having to download each dependent package |
| 01:14.11 | zeeshan-laptop | (i am trying to work with a debian machine that has no internet) |
| 01:14.36 | ctcpme | just compress/archive them? |
| 01:14.58 | zeeshan-laptop | well i keep on having to click each one |
| 01:15.01 | zeeshan-laptop | then selecting download.. |
| 01:15.05 | zeeshan-laptop | its getting tedious |
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| 01:15.45 | WangDang_ | I'm having trouble with an upgrade. I use a package cacher (apt-cacher). I'm upgrading the machine apt-cacher runs on, so it's hitting localhost. Trouble is, it is resolving localhost for some files, but not for others. I get "502 apt-cacher: libcurl error: Couldn't resolve host name [IP: 127.0.0.1 3142]" for some files. Can anyone explain this? see http://paste.debian.net/hidden/517e71bf/ Thanks |
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| 01:46.05 | squisher | Rudde, you can use dhcp for that. Assign a hostname & ip based on the mac. I've never set up the automatic dns update, but it is possible, and possibly dnsmasq has that builtin |
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| 02:47.26 | asterismo | hi people |
| 02:47.33 | asterismo | i need help uninstalling |
| 02:47.40 | asterismo | some packages, it fails |
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| 02:49.39 | redshadowhero | What error are you getting, asterismo? |
| 02:50.05 | masterapropos | What are you trying to uninstall ? |
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| 02:52.25 | asterismo | http://paste.debian.net/261465/ |
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| 02:52.51 | asterismo | i followed some lines in order to install zoneminder whose package is missing in jessie sadly |
| 02:53.22 | asterismo | so i had a wheezy with CCTV on zoneminder working ok, and after dist-upgrading all went to hell |
| 02:53.43 | asterismo | i want to uninstall everything and start all over again |
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| 02:57.17 | masterapropos | Have you tried "make uninstall" in the installation directory asterismo ? |
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| 02:58.42 | asterismo | 1 sec |
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| 03:01.53 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I've got a really frustrating problem: For years, until just an hour ago, a Linux process that updated files from a Windows share was working fine. Now I'm getting "error while loading shared libraries: libsmbclient.so.0: cannot open shared object file: Error 62" Nothing changed on the Linux system, no package updates. |
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| 03:02.38 | Pegasus_RPG | So 1) WTF is error 62 (Google is no help, it keeps removing my quotes and giving lots of unrelated results) and 2) how might I go about fixing it? |
| 03:03.07 | Pegasus_RPG | I have the libsmbclient package installed, and there isn't one for i386 |
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| 03:05.59 | masterapropos | What distro are you using Pegasus_RPG ? |
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| 03:17.23 | Pegasus_RPG | is running Wheezy still |
| 03:17.26 | Pegasus_RPG | x86_64 |
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| 03:24.38 | asterismo | i ran make uninstall but after apt-get autoremove --purge it fails again |
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| 03:40.14 | asterismo | http://paste.debian.net/261472/ |
| 03:41.34 | asterismo | any idas? |
| 03:41.36 | asterismo | ideas? |
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| 03:43.10 | behruz | I didn't hear the advice and upgrade my debian 7;So before making backup from my local webserver and database and offline WordPress ;now all of the sudden all have gone.Is there any way back it up? |
| 03:44.24 | behruz | My problem is forgetting how to set those up before |
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| 03:49.47 | behruz | Does new version of mysql override and removes my database data ? |
| 03:50.35 | asterismo | http://paste.debian.net/261472/ |
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| 03:54.14 | asterismo | any ideas how to uninstall this? or should i reinstall the system? |
| 03:57.54 | asterismo | should i manually remove things? |
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| 04:00.51 | behruz | (behruz) Does new version of mysql override and removes my database data ? |
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| 04:02.18 | behruz | I think i've lost all my data and works.Because the root user for mysql doesn't have password |
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| 04:12.12 | behruz | I find my databases intact.... |
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| 04:14.15 | allorder | behruz: \o/ |
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| 04:16.27 | behruz | allorder:But i lost my wordpress password |
| 04:16.46 | asterismo | one question, im running IRAF astronomical software in 32 bit Intel i3 and it gives Segmentation Fault, but the exact same operation works fine in other PCs, same OS |
| 04:17.05 | asterismo | could this be a CPU floating point issue? or any stuff like that? |
| 04:17.21 | asterismo | it happens in the same PC on Ubuntu and Debain OSs |
| 04:17.26 | asterismo | pretty wierd |
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| 04:18.00 | asterismo | or maybe the kernel version? |
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| 04:20.46 | asterismo | certain binaries throw segmentation violation, the same task works with the exact same software settings and images run flawless in other PCs with the same kernel, Debian version, and all |
| 04:21.04 | asterismo | could that be due to a different CPU number manipulation? |
| 04:21.13 | asterismo | so it turns not binary compatible? |
| 04:23.27 | Rusty1 | !ia32l-libs |
| 04:23.40 | Rusty1 | !ia32-libs |
| 04:23.40 | dpkg | ia32-* packages provide a subset of libraries from <i386> for <amd64> systems. They are typically needed by 32-bit only software (such as <skype> or <wine>) and have been obsoleted in Debian 7 "Wheezy" by the introduction of <multiarch>. Wheezy users should ask me about <upgrade ia32 libs> for upgrade instructions. |
| 04:23.40 | asterismo | its a 32 bit system |
| 04:24.48 | asterismo | Rusty1: i do not have that package |
| 04:24.53 | asterismo | its a 32 bits system |
| 04:25.07 | asterismo | that you install in a 64bit system for compatibility, right? |
| 04:25.23 | Rusty1 | aye |
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| 04:28.38 | asterismo | i even have installed intel-microcode |
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| 04:32.12 | asterismo | anyone? |
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| 04:32.58 | asterismo | i really need help with something |
| 04:33.10 | asterismo | i'm trying to uninstall a failed installation of zoneminder... |
| 04:33.30 | asterismo | aptitude install -f throws errors and there are no more options... |
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| 04:59.34 | epacs | I just purchased a VPS from digital ocean |
| 04:59.55 | epacs | it says to run apt-cache search "^language-pack-[a-z][a-z]$" |
| 05:00.04 | epacs | to find the language pack, but when I run that command nothing is returned |
| 05:00.33 | epacs | my language is still unset and i'm not sure how to set it |
| 05:00.52 | epacs | LC_CTYPE is en_US.UTF-8 |
| 05:01.00 | epacs | but LANGUAGE LC_ALL is (unset) |
| 05:01.55 | asterismo | how do i downgrade all packages installed from backports? |
| 05:02.10 | asterismo | to stock repo packages? |
| 05:03.24 | vitzli | epacs, Did you do apt-get update before? |
| 05:03.30 | epacs | vitzli: yes |
| 05:03.49 | magyar | hi, how can I remove an md device and clear all the mappings |
| 05:03.51 | magyar | ? |
| 05:04.28 | magyar | I've tried mdadm -S but mdadm -Es still lists the device |
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| 05:05.35 | vitzli | epacs, well, it seems that there is no language-pack* in official debian repo |
| 05:06.52 | epacs | how can I set the language and lc_all? |
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| 05:09.32 | asterismo | how do i downgrade all packages installed from backports? |
| 05:09.34 | asterismo | to stock repo packages? |
| 05:10.25 | at0m|c | epacs: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 05:10.32 | epacs | thanks |
| 05:11.35 | epacs | at0m|c: /usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 05:11.40 | epacs | says the same thing for LC_ALL |
| 05:11.58 | epacs | but locale exists |
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| 05:12.50 | at0m|c | did you generate then select a generated locale? |
| 05:13.12 | epacs | how do I generate? |
| 05:13.16 | at0m|c | epacs: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 05:13.23 | epacs | i did that |
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| 05:13.54 | epacs | locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 05:14.48 | at0m|c | epacs: dpkg-reconfigure locales asks 2 questions. which to generate, then which one of these should be default |
| 05:14.51 | at0m|c | or, it should |
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| 05:14.58 | epacs | yes it does |
| 05:15.08 | epacs | and I select en_us.utf-8 |
| 05:15.18 | epacs | and then I get those errors in the terminal |
| 05:15.37 | at0m|c | fire up another ssh session and see if that one has the right env |
| 05:16.02 | at0m|c | maybe it becomes effective on new session. |
| 05:16.03 | epacs | it doesnt |
| 05:16.39 | at0m|c | then idk |
| 05:16.53 | epacs | :/ |
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| 06:45.34 | Utils | Question... if I block everyone except my own IP from logging into SSH, what happens if my IP was to suddenly change? |
| 06:45.39 | Utils | (IPTables) |
| 06:46.50 | tron | ur sol |
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| 07:05.43 | armin | curl http://fpaste.org/236864/1631143/raw/ |
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| 07:12.11 | Minty_64 | anyone use MATE? |
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| 07:12.35 | x44x45x41x4E | Minty_64, Thinking of switching to that now. |
| 07:13.10 | x44x45x41x4E | Anyway, what should I pick here? Is it really in multiple CDs? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/amd64/bt-cd/ |
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| 07:13.58 | Minty_64 | i installed it and I'm finding that i have to install different things to be able to tweak it :/ |
| 07:14.20 | Minty_64 | x44x45x41x4E, use the net install if you have a good connection |
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| 07:15.48 | x44x45x41x4E | Minty_64, yeah. It's not good. |
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| 07:16.31 | x44x45x41x4E | Have you tried the Debian-based Mint using Mate? |
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| 07:17.40 | x44x45x41x4E | Minty_64, Aaahhh. Just saw this now. Thanks. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 07:18.11 | x44x45x41x4E | Buuuttt, it's 3 DVDs? How big is Debian really? |
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| 07:19.07 | Minty_64 | yeah I use linux mint but I'm testing out debian :) |
| 07:19.39 | Utils | if iptables are blocking all incoming connections, can local connections still be made? I don't want to block 127.0.0.1 from connecting to itself. |
| 07:20.08 | x44x45x41x4E | Minty_64, I'm on elementaryOS right now. Thinking of switching to Debian. But is it really this big? 3 DVDs? |
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| 07:23.54 | Minty_64 | the cd's cover a lot of dependencies |
| 07:24.05 | ctcpme | x44x45x41x4E: do you really need to download the repositories with your installer? |
| 07:24.08 | Minty_64 | i mean dvd's |
| 07:24.17 | ctcpme | or can you live with downloading packages :) |
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| 07:25.34 | x44x45x41x4E | ctcpme, I just want to install the whole distro. Much like installing Ubuntu? Sorry. It's my first time to dive in to Debian. Used #! before but it's different. Right? |
| 07:26.01 | ctcpme | x44x45x41x4E: you'll probably be fine with the install CD, rather than the DVD set |
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| 07:26.42 | x44x45x41x4E | ctcpme, so I should download the network installer? |
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| 07:27.09 | ctcpme | that'll have you download every package from the internet |
| 07:27.14 | ctcpme | during the install |
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| 07:27.50 | x44x45x41x4E | ctcpme, Umm. I don't want that. Is there an image where it will be usable out of the box then just update it after installation? |
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| 07:29.06 | ctcpme | x44x45x41x4E: https://www.debian.org/CD/ |
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| 07:33.05 | x44x45x41x4E | ctcpme, I'll go with the live version I guess. Thanks. |
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| 07:37.24 | itry | Hello! How do you disable apache modules? |
| 07:37.32 | itry | is it save to do this? rm -v /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/negotiation.* |
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| 07:42.03 | superuser_ir | I need service or command for get page source of Webpage with js , can any one help me? |
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| 07:44.31 | babilen | itry: a2dismod is the command you are looking for, read README.Debian that comes with the Apache package |
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| 07:45.14 | itry | babilen: i see |
| 07:45.17 | itry | thanks |
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| 07:46.05 | KomanderDiablo | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAqxOJOGyD0 |
| 07:46.35 | Psy-Q | i have the debian default rsyslog configuration and configured dovecot's lda to hit the mail facility. however, some log entries from lda still also show up in the catchall /var/log/syslog. what am i doing wrong? https://gist.github.com/psy-q/16214e27a08818fae44f |
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| 07:47.30 | Psy-Q | superuser_ir: will you be using node.js to do that? |
| 07:47.52 | superuser_ir | No , I need service |
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| 07:48.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell itry -about readme.debian |
| 07:48.16 | Psy-Q | superuser_ir: ah, ok. only because you said "service or command", if it's just a command you could be done in 4 lines of node |
| 07:48.26 | Psy-Q | superuser_ir: like here: http://www.sitepoint.com/making-http-requests-in-node-js/ |
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| 07:52.31 | hashworks | Hi! Lately I had some problems with a Jessie machine, repetitive (every few days) I experienced high CPU usage which nearly blocked any terminal input/output. After examining top it always showed that a mix of udisk, umount and systemd was causing the load. It would go away after a few hours or when I killed the umount process. Any idea what I could look up to solve this? |
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| 08:04.16 | upbeta | Can someone tell me why is debian jessie running this error? The Berkley DB library version 2.6.4 or newer |
| 08:04.16 | upbeta | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:04.52 | upbeta | apt-get update and apt-get upgrade seems not to fixed this issue |
| 08:05.07 | upbeta | getting that error trying to compile squidguard on debian jessie |
| 08:05.26 | hashworks | well, install the berkley db library version 2.6.4 or newer |
| 08:05.43 | hashworks | If this library isn't in the package repository (at least not with that version) you got to get that elsewhere |
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| 08:07.39 | upbeta | got it hashworks, thanks.. but I am wondering why it isn't included on the debian jessie repos |
| 08:07.53 | hashworks | Much stuff isn't including in the debian jessie repos. |
| 08:07.57 | hashworks | *included |
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| 08:26.16 | MO_Handes | when I have different repos set in sources.list, how to set my default target release? I want all packages be installed from jessie but the ones I choose with -t when installing. |
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| 08:28.41 | Utils | Would any of you advise running ssh on another port? |
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| 08:30.01 | ChrisH | Utils: yes |
| 08:30.11 | ChrisH | Utils: at least for external accessible boxes |
| 08:30.54 | Utils | ChrisH: I was reading about it and came across this: https://www.adayinthelifeof.nl/2012/03/12/why-putting-ssh-on-another-port-than-22-is-bad-idea/ |
| 08:30.58 | Utils | it makes some valid points. |
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| 08:35.00 | venkat_330 | HI all . I have N2600 NM10 chipset board. I would like to use debian. I Just need 2D graphics to run a browser and GTK app with dual screen control..I raise this because with GMA500 driver is not well supported . but when i switch to VESA driver i am not able to control dual display... Need suggestion in handling this |
| 08:36.10 | deepy | I have two folders, I'd like to find the files that are in folderA but not in referenceFolder |
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| 08:45.35 | hashworks | deepy: find ./folderA -type f -name foobar |
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| 08:46.31 | deepy | That'll search folderA for a specific name, I'd like to find the ones that exist in folderA but not folderB |
| 08:47.34 | hashworks | uh, so the difference between the folders? |
| 08:47.53 | deepy | just the files that exist in A but not B |
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| 08:49.12 | hashworks | diff A B will show you something like |
| 08:49.18 | hashworks | only in A: foo |
| 08:49.22 | hashworks | only in A: bar |
| 08:49.26 | hashworks | only in B: blub |
| 08:49.34 | hashworks | grep for only in A and you're good to go |
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| 09:19.28 | Utils | Should you disable protocol 1 for ssh? |
| 09:20.03 | jelly | Utils: yes, and it's disabled by default |
| 09:20.04 | hashworks | if non of your clients are required to use protocol 1 |
| 09:20.05 | hashworks | yes |
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| 09:23.05 | Utils | Thanks jelly & hashworks it's probably disabled anyway but going through a list of ssh security settings. |
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| 09:24.20 | jelly | Utils: then don't go by "probably", verify the ssh banner says SSH-2.0-something and not SSH-1.99-something |
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| 09:24.47 | jelly | Utils: telnet localhost 22 |
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| 09:26.39 | BadCodSmell | When running apt-get with a script, I get "debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog" over and over. |
| 09:26.44 | BadCodSmell | Is there a way to surpress this |
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| 09:28.13 | MY123 | In the way, Was the Telnet server pkg removed? |
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| 09:28.43 | MY123 | (removed in Windows 8.1) |
| 09:28.48 | mnrmnaugh | BadCodSmell, i think youre supposed to use dpkg in a script. |
| 09:28.52 | BadCodSmell | I've tried exporting DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive but this made even more weird bash GUIs come up that use control goes to set the colour, cursor possition, etc |
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| 09:28.58 | mnrmnaugh | big on the THINK btw |
| 09:29.15 | BadCodSmell | dpkg wont automatically update like apt though wont it? |
| 09:29.16 | dpkg | BadCodSmell: i haven't a clue |
| 09:29.41 | jelly | BadCodSmell: read "man 7 debconf", section "Unattended Package Installation" |
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| 09:29.53 | mnrmnaugh | im sorry, im not sure. thats how think i am about it |
| 09:30.14 | MY123 | BadCodSmell: well DPKG doesn't use the network |
| 09:30.25 | MY123 | RTFM :-) |
| 09:30.26 | BadCodSmell | No such man page |
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| 09:30.59 | MY123 | BadCodSmell: do a dpkg -L debconf please |
| 09:31.13 | jelly | BadCodSmell: it's in debconf-doc package for some reason |
| 09:31.15 | Utils | jelly: I was gonna look in sshd_config as I was modifying that anyway :P |
| 09:31.23 | BadCodSmell | The thing is, noninteractive is supposedly what I want... |
| 09:31.27 | BadCodSmell | But that's not what I get |
| 09:31.35 | BadCodSmell | I get crazy things when I turn that on. |
| 09:31.49 | mnrmnaugh | huh. i have no debconf(7). i have a (1) |
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| 09:31.59 | MY123 | BadCodSmell: use preseed files |
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| 09:32.26 | BadCodSmell | If I turn on noninteractive by exporting the var I just get dialogs build out of ansi control codes |
| 09:32.33 | BadCodSmell | MY123, not possible. |
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| 09:32.42 | BadCodSmell | This is not an install etc but a fix up |
| 09:32.51 | BadCodSmell | Of a highly convoluted and bloated system |
| 09:32.58 | jelly | BadCodSmell: why is it not possible to populate the debconf database in advance? |
| 09:33.40 | jelly | BadCodSmell: which debian release is this? |
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| 09:33.43 | Utils | blast. I'm always messing up. |
| 09:33.47 | BadCodSmell | with what? |
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| 09:34.07 | jelly | BadCodSmell: answers to the questions debconf still doesn't have |
| 09:34.21 | BadCodSmell | With an update, it's very hard to foresee exactly what conts it's going to ask about, etc |
| 09:34.36 | jelly | that's what you have a test environment |
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| 09:34.48 | jelly | why* |
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| 09:35.09 | jelly | BadCodSmell: which debian release runs on the destination system? |
| 09:35.37 | BadCodSmell | 7 |
| 09:35.37 | knivsta | is there anyone other use of a SSL Certificate? |
| 09:35.43 | knivsta | any other* |
| 09:35.54 | BadCodSmell | Can I produce a dump of all default configuration and options with debconf for installed packages? |
| 09:36.15 | jelly | that's recent enough, debconf shouldn't make weird noises with noninteractive frontend |
| 09:36.29 | BadCodSmell | Perhaps a bad package |
| 09:36.41 | MY123 | BadCodSmell: cat /etc/lsb-release please |
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| 09:37.16 | Utils | i disabled root login, disabled password auth, forgot to give my other user an ssh key. |
| 09:37.19 | Utils | :/ |
| 09:37.20 | BadCodSmell | cat /etc/debian_version = 7.8 |
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| 09:37.23 | BadCodSmell | I have no lsb |
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| 09:38.53 | jelly | MY123: I don't have an /etc/lsb-release on my wheezy either |
| 09:39.22 | jelly | BadCodSmell: for starters you can also push debconf priority way up as well |
| 09:39.37 | MY123 | jelly: it's there in my Wheezy Debian on ARMhf install |
| 09:40.21 | jelly | MY123: what does dpkg -S /etc/lsb-release say? |
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| 09:46.23 | MY123 | lsb-server-base or something like that |
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| 09:50.26 | jelly | ,v lsb-server-base |
| 09:50.27 | judd | No package named 'lsb-server-base' was found in amd64. |
| 09:50.57 | Utils | is there a way i can force access into ssh when i've turned off root login, turned off password auth and i have no ssh key? |
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| 09:51.23 | Minty_64 | anyone use ufw? i have a ufw/samba question. |
| 09:51.36 | MY123 | Utils: no except if there is a useful CVE |
| 09:51.36 | jelly | Utils: probably not |
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| 09:52.17 | no_gravity | Hello! Is there a difference between "apachectl restart" and "systemctl restart apache2"? |
| 09:52.45 | MY123 | Utils: do you have the Telnet server installed? |
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| 09:53.59 | MY123 | no_gravity: the second is not that recommanded |
| 09:54.21 | no_gravity | MY123: why? |
| 09:54.21 | MY123 | (ooh, SystemD again) |
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| 09:55.04 | Utils | I believe I do MY123, yes. I can do telnet serverip 22 |
| 09:55.04 | MY123 | no_gravity: do everything through SystemD if you use it |
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| 09:55.27 | MY123 | Utils: so connect :-) |
| 09:56.32 | MY123 | it tracks your actions and is helpful for newbies |
| 09:57.29 | no_gravity | MY123: what do you mean? is "systemctl" surpassing systemd? how? |
| 09:57.45 | Utils | MY123: I don't know how to log-in to ssh from telnet. I'm used to PuTTy |
| 09:58.05 | Utils | and in any case, if I have no public key, and I root login is off... i can't anyway |
| 09:58.17 | MY123 | no_gravity: Systemctl is a part of SystemD |
| 09:58.32 | MY123 | Utils: you can't |
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| 09:59.42 | no_gravity | MY123: first you said systemctl is not that recommended, then you said use systemd, then you said systemctl is part of systemd. something does not compute here. |
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| 10:00.43 | MY123 | no_gravity: Using apachectl directly is not recommanded |
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| 10:02.05 | MY123 | *the first |
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| 10:03.11 | no_gravity | MY123: do you have a source? googling for "apachectl vs systemctl" brings up nothing here. |
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| 10:03.59 | MY123 | no_gravity: systemctl man page |
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| 10:05.53 | no_gravity | interestingly a guy in #httpd says apachectl is to be preferred |
| 10:05.55 | no_gravity | so it's 1:1 for now... |
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| 10:11.30 | MY123 | no_gravity: Upstart behaves weird when you don't use service |
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| 10:12.06 | no_gravity | MY123: how? |
| 10:12.49 | MY123 | no_gravity: no service dependencies accounted about |
| 10:13.14 | MY123 | You stop, but Upstart thinks it's still running |
| 10:13.28 | no_gravity | MY123: interesting. how can i verify that? |
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| 10:14.05 | no_gravity | and if apachectl is evil, why was it put into the distribution then? |
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| 10:15.06 | pragomer | when remastering an debian ISO ("chroot-method") the live-medium does not boot on systems with secure-boot enabled... the original iso does. how can I fix this? |
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| 10:16.31 | quarterback | Any postfix users here? how to use it a smtp client? |
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| 10:18.44 | no_gravity | Utils: in which scenario? |
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| 10:20.28 | Utils | no_gravity: well in the case of this paste from earlier: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/73bb160a/ on line 19 |
| 10:21.02 | no_gravity | Utils: i see. too much to read for me right now. |
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| 10:26.19 | Utils | how do u make a service run on startup? i kinda forgot its ben a while. |
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| 10:27.53 | quarterback | Utils : goto /etc/init.d/ and put that service there? |
| 10:28.05 | quarterback | all startup sevices are in /etc/init.d/ |
| 10:28.12 | Utils | oh. haha ok. |
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| 10:29.02 | quarterback | Anybody knows how to use postfix as an smtp client and also use it as a standalone mailer without any smtp server? |
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| 10:53.16 | phale | my connection is much more stable |
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| 11:24.41 | intento | hola gente! |
| 11:24.45 | Utils | So I see that Jessie does not have MySQL 5.6 but instead favors mariadb? I've had MySQL 5.6 previously but dotdeb does not have 5.6 included this time round for Jessie. |
| 11:24.58 | Utils | I'm not really sure if I should go with mariadb |
| 11:25.25 | Utils | From what I've read, you can use them just the same. It's just that mariadb has added features ontop, if I'm correct. |
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| 11:26.04 | jelly | Utils: to mix up things even more: I've heard good things about percona |
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| 11:27.43 | Utils | That's... good to know. Anyway, who would prefer MariaDB over MySQL 5.6 and vice versa and why? |
| 11:27.46 | jelly | Utils: https://www.percona.com/software/percona-server/feature-comparison https://www.percona.com/doc/percona-server/5.6/installation/apt_repo.html |
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| 11:27.58 | Utils | oops |
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| 11:30.12 | quantic | Utils: Those of us that don't trust Oracle to be a proper steward of MySQL use MariaDB, myself among them. You can use them equivalently. |
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| 11:31.01 | jelly | quantic: and gleefully ignore mariadb's and percona's import of patches as-is? |
| 11:31.10 | jelly | </troll> |
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| 11:31.55 | quantic | jelly: do what now? |
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| 11:35.47 | Utils | quantic: If I'm correct, it doesn't have InnoDB but has XtraDB instead. Would that mean I have to replace all InnoDB usages (in table creations) with XtraDB unless I install the InnoDB plugin? |
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| 11:37.17 | quantic | Utils: https://mariadb.com/kb/en/mariadb/xtradb-and-innodb/ |
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| 11:38.58 | quantic | Utils: I have a number of clients that upgraded from MySQL 5.5 to MariaDB 10 in-place with InnoDB tables and had zero issues. YMMV, of course. |
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| 11:46.23 | Utils | ok i insalled mariadb lol. not sure how this is gonna pan out |
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| 11:53.28 | quarterback | Hello, has anybody configured postfix to send emails? How to use it as a smtp client? I have this line in some software which uses a sendmail compatible smtp clent. "/user/sbin/postfix -t " . Does this actually send emails without any configuration of postfix files? I didn't receive any email with the above line? I'm a beginner in MTA and MDA software. Could anybody help? Stuck here. THanks a ton! |
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| 12:03.37 | volter | Hello, I noticed something weird today. |
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| 12:04.18 | volter | When you download a deb file, ar xv and tar xvf it eventually, you will change the permissions of the directory you extract to. |
| 12:04.50 | volter | While I can see why this happens, as the tarball contains /., it's mighty dangerous in /root and /tmp. |
| 12:05.23 | volter | I tried that in Fedora 20, Squeeze and Wheezy and it was always the same, but in Jessie it is not and the permissions of the parent directory remain the same. |
| 12:05.42 | volter | Has anybody seen that and knows the reason why it doesn't happen on Jessie? |
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| 12:11.26 | mnrmnaugh | volter, bet you a dollar its systemD |
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| 12:31.52 | blackflow | Looking at a mdadm raid10 setup, I see two disks have 4x more data read than the other two. I was kinda expecting an even load, and am not sure why is this. Is not mdadm implementation of raid with round-robin? |
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| 12:38.02 | volter | mnrmnaugh: That's an interesting idea, but I would probably have expected it to be the same in Fedora then. |
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| 12:46.18 | mnrmnaugh | volter, good point. but really, i never noticed the perm change. i tend to untar things like /tmp/thing/tar as opposed to /tmp/tar. i know the . and .. are fancy hard links. and theres a flag somewhere called --noleaf for Windows that removes them. beyond that i only have conjecture |
| 12:46.42 | alexandru_g | greetings. where can I find debian 8.1 testing dvd amd64 dvd #4 to max_num ? |
| 12:47.34 | Minty_64 | so, icedove doesn't have the ability to check g-mail yet, is their a way i can get thunderbird working? |
| 12:49.06 | at0m|c | Minty_64: sure icedove does gmail. preferences > accounts > add ... |
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| 12:51.12 | mnrmnaugh | gnutar 1.27.1: has a --delay-directory-restore and a --no-same-permissions according to man |
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| 12:52.21 | Minty_64 | have you tried it at0m|c ? |
| 12:53.10 | at0m|c | yes, it syncs every 10 minutes. why? |
| 12:53.23 | Minty_64 | mine wont connect |
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| 12:54.44 | abrotman | Minty_64: then share the error you're getting |
| 12:54.52 | abrotman | !doesn't work |
| 12:54.53 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 12:56.18 | grml-use2 | Hello, any good tutorial[s] on switching from mbr to gpt? |
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| 12:56.44 | Minty_64 | the only thing it's stating is that either the username or password is incorrect and the pop up say's to try using a web browser, had the same issue with thunderbird as they needed something from google to allow them to access g-mail accounts. |
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| 12:57.42 | Brigo | grml-use2, just make backups of the whole disk and reinstall. |
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| 12:58.53 | quantic | grml-use2: there's no way to convert in place. requires a reformat. |
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| 13:03.20 | grml-use2 | Brigo: Was hoping to avoid that. So letting the installer take care of gpt stuff and then copying everything back from the backup? |
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| 13:04.13 | rekedmir | Hey folks, is it possible to change the partition code of a partition using parted? Want to change a fat32 partition's code to 0Xef00 (EFI) |
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| 13:04.51 | Brigo | grml-use2, gpt is not compatible with mbr, so you have to repartition the disk, so you will lost all the data in the disk. So yes, your approach is fine. |
| 13:05.29 | grml-use2 | quantic: There are ways, just not anything that I have found to be complete. Like making the disk bootable after the conversion. |
| 13:05.31 | pipl_ | could anyone with jessie please try rebuilding from source the package python-pexpect ? I failed on unit tests on my wheezy but no problem with building. If there was any dependencies error, the build would have been failed. |
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| 13:06.12 | TJ- | grml-use2: incorrect - gisk and associated tools can convert an existing MBR into a hybrid GPT+MBR ... please see "man gdisk" for details |
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| 13:06.24 | TJ- | grml-use2: s/gisk/gdisk/ |
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| 13:06.56 | pipl_ | and it is just a small package. |
| 13:07.51 | grml-use2 | Brigo: Ok, Thanks |
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| 13:08.11 | Minty_64 | i'm not sure how to elaborate more then icedove saying that "configuration could not be verified - is the user name and password wrong?" |
| 13:08.33 | Brigo | TJ-, gdisk claims it can do it, but it claims it is a beta version too. |
| 13:08.34 | grml-use2 | TJ-: Accarding to some it is possible to do. See.. http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/mbr2gpt.html |
| 13:09.35 | TJ- | Brigo: I use it constantly... it's hardly rocket science, it just mirrors the start,end LBAs from the MBR to the GPT |
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| 13:10.21 | TJ- | grml-use2: The *key* issue is this: does the disk have unused sectors from LBA1 through LBA 34 (which is where the GPT will be installed) |
| 13:11.38 | TJ- | grml-use2: Most partitioners leave such 'slack' at the start of a disk for alignment purposes. On BIOS/MBR some of that space is used by the boot-loader to store its core.img. If converting to GPT then you'll want to create a ~1MB BIOS Boot Partition (0xEF02) and have GRUB install itself there rather than in the slack sectors. |
| 13:11.40 | abrotman | Minty_64: skip the auto-crap .. do a manual config |
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| 13:13.07 | TJ- | grml-use2: If on the existing MBR partition #1 starts after sector 34 then a conversion is possible |
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| 13:14.04 | berarma | Hi! I'm getting this error when using $query->bufferResults(false); -> General error: 2014 Cannot execute queries while other unbuffered queries are active. Consider using PDOStatement::fetchAll(). Alternatively, if your code is only ever going to run against mysql, you may enable query buffering by setting the PDO::MYSQL_ATTR_USE_BUFFERED_QUERY attribute |
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| 13:14.56 | berarma | That's not mentioned limitation in the book so I'm wondering if there's something I'm doing wrong. |
| 13:15.31 | grml-use2 | TJ-: I see, just do not really know how to all this and stiil have the disk boot. So I guess using a debian installer do the gpt stuff, stopping at stage and copy the data back should work as well? Or do I need to install the whole system and then copy stuff back? |
| 13:15.35 | petn-randall | berarma: What is producing this issue? |
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| 13:16.34 | grml-use2 | TJ-: This system was installed around the time of debian 6 :) |
| 13:16.56 | berarma | oops, very sorry, wrong channel :-S |
| 13:17.01 | grml-use2 | And upgraded trough all this time. |
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| 13:17.23 | petn-randall | berarma: Ok then, no problem :) |
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| 13:17.35 | fas3r | hello |
| 13:17.38 | fas3r | if X11 is not enable on server side ( sshd_config ), is it possible to force it from client side ? |
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| 13:18.09 | grml-use2 | Brigo: What I asked TJ, what do you think? |
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| 13:19.21 | grml-use2 | TJ-: Did you get/see my last question? |
| 13:19.43 | TJ- | grml-use2: probably not... I had an unscheduled reboot :) |
| 13:19.51 | petn-randall | fas3r: I'm guessing no. But you can easily test that by disabling it, and then trying to enable it via 'ssh -X <host>' |
| 13:19.57 | grml-use2 | Heh |
| 13:20.04 | fas3r | petn-randall: true :) |
| 13:20.05 | grml-use2 | TJ-: I see, just do not really know how to all this and stiil have the disk boot. So I guess using a debian installer do the gpt stuff, stopping at stage and copy the data back should work as well? Or do I need to install the whole system and then copy stuff back? |
| 13:20.09 | Brigo | grml-use2, i even knew about that program. |
| 13:20.21 | grml-use2 | TJ-: This system was installed around the time of debian 6 :) |
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| 13:21.05 | grml-use2 | Brigo: Ok, but about my process for going about this using the debian installer? |
| 13:21.36 | Minty_64 | abrotman, how do i manually set up icedove? |
| 13:22.26 | TJ- | grml-use2: If it were me I'd do the MBR>GPT translation first, before using the installer, so the GPT is correct when the installer starts. |
| 13:22.27 | Brigo | grml-use2, why to stop to any stage? just install the base system and then restore the backup |
| 13:22.52 | abrotman | Minty_64: there's a Tools or Accounts option in the menus |
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| 13:23.28 | TJ- | grml-use2: but if you have backups then, depending on their size, it may be faster to simply do a clean minimal install and restore them, as Brigo suggests |
| 13:23.34 | Brigo | grml-use2, i have to warn you, i have never used uefi :) |
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| 13:24.07 | grml-use2 | TJ-: And for that gdisk will what is needed and then the installer would setup the needed partitions for gpt? |
| 13:24.21 | pipl_ | ok I solved it by removing wheezy version of python-pexepect. It is running unit tests now. so far so good. |
| 13:24.30 | grml-use2 | Brigo: To save time. |
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| 13:24.51 | TJ- | grml-use2: hang on, you need UEFI support too? |
| 13:25.06 | grml-use2 | Brigo: Never have I :) |
| 13:25.31 | grml-use2 | TJ-: Yes, why I was asking about all this. |
| 13:26.39 | grml-use2 | Will soon move to a new system and move this disk there. Since will be doing this, thought might as well move to gpt now as well. |
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| 13:28.07 | TJ- | grml-use2: Ah, OK... UEFI is nice. The way it works is the motherboard firmware stores a boot menu in its own non-volatile RAM. An OS has to call the UEFI code and add itself to that boot menu. UEFI requires GPT, but also a smallish (~256MB) FAT16/32 partition, called the EFI System partition. Boot loaders (such as GRUB) install their boot code (think GRUBs core.img) in their in a file usually named /EFI/<OS>/boot<arch>.efi. That file is pointed to by the boot men |
| 13:28.07 | TJ- | u entry |
| 13:28.10 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. Suddenly my libsmbclient.so has gotten messed up. So I tried to reinstall it but I get "ldconfig: Input file /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsmbclient.so.0 not found." What exactly is the problem here? A bad package? |
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| 13:29.10 | TJ- | grml-use2: Therefore, if you've converting an existing MBR disk to GPT you'd also need to already have, or create, sufficient space for the EFI System Partition (ESP) |
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| 13:30.08 | petn-randall | TJ-: Not to be picky, but UEFI also works on MBR. But it's a mess, and let's not go there. :) |
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| 13:30.42 | TJ- | grml-use2: In gdisk speak the short-code for an ESP is 0xEF00. As I said earlier, if you want to convert MBR to GPT and have it still boot on a BIOS system you'd also need another partition, the BIOS Boot Partition (gdisk short-code 0xEF02) of ~1MB for GRUB to put its core.img in |
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| 13:31.46 | TJ- | petn-randall: Only for legacy boot support |
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| 13:32.29 | grml-use2 | From the backup will copy all the data except for the /boot partition. After the installer takes care of the gpt stuff. Also does it matter whether the new partitions created by the installer will be sperate? Currently have the following partitions: / /boot /home /swap |
| 13:32.44 | petn-randall | TJ-: Nope, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#EFI_System_partition |
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| 13:34.54 | petn-randall | TJ-: Works fine on MSDOS partition tables, just like legacy BIOS boot works with GPT, too. I don't recommend it though :) |
| 13:34.58 | grml-use2 | TJ-: So besides my current partitions I need to make another for the ESP? So /boot about 500MB and ESP can be stored there? Or /boot plus an /ESP partition plus the others / /swap /home |
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| 13:45.08 | TJ- | petn-randall: Yes, but the problem is that many of the common UEFI implementations ignore MBR and type 0xEF partitions, despite the standard, when CSM is disabled. The only way to guarantee it'll boot is to use GPT (and a simple media path - /EFI/BOOT/BOOT<arch>.efi) |
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| 13:47.13 | TJ- | grml-use2: sorry, was on other things. If you want the PC to continue booting with the current BIOS then a hybrid MBR plus an ESP partition should be sufficient. Bonus points for making the MBR protective and using the GPT for BIOS boots too, in which case a BIOS Boot partition is required as well |
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| 13:54.33 | eletious | it sucks that a lot of documentation is for the time before systemd |
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| 13:55.58 | grml-use2 | TJ-: Ok, so will let the debian installer take care of the gpt stuff. The installer should make the /ESP partition and install grub-efi? And I could make the following partitions / /boot /swap /home. What do you think? Or what would you recommend? |
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| 13:56.39 | TJ- | grml-use2: If you're running the installer on the UEFI system, yes |
| 13:56.39 | grml-use2 | After all that copy all my data back except for /boot of course ;) |
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| 13:57.40 | TJ- | grml-use2: I should say, technically, running the installer of the UEFI system *and* booting in UEFI mode, not CSM/Legacy mode |
| 13:58.03 | grml-use2 | TJ-: Yes, will enable UEFI in the bios. Currently using mbr and legacy mode in the bios. |
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| 13:58.57 | grml-use2 | TJ-: Thank You for your time :) |
| 13:59.18 | grml-use2 | Brigo: Thank You for the installer pointer :) |
| 13:59.30 | Brigo | grml-use2, yw :) |
| 14:00.09 | grml-use2 | Even tho this will be a painful process :) |
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| 14:09.29 | csharkx | Hello! |
| 14:09.59 | centrx | !welcome |
| 14:10.00 | dpkg | Thank you, centrx. |
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| 14:10.34 | csharkx | what's up guys ? |
| 14:11.15 | centrx | Debian 8 is up |
| 14:11.39 | eletious | Jessie! |
| 14:11.43 | SynrG | No manual entry for up |
| 14:12.11 | csharkx | can anyone give me a little help with a captive portal ? |
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| 14:12.39 | SynrG | csharkx: setting one up on a debian system, or ... ? |
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| 14:14.12 | csharkx | SynrG: yes! I am trying to set one up on a debian... as simple as possible ... but I am facing some problem. Have you ever did one in debian ? |
| 14:14.25 | eletious | I'm caught in a net! |
| 14:14.39 | SynrG | csharkx: no. but if you explain your problem, maybe we can help |
| 14:14.42 | eletious | I'm going to school to learn software dev but my boss wants me to play sysadmin! |
| 14:15.00 | SynrG | eletious: er, offtopic? #debian-offtopic |
| 14:15.08 | eletious | Oh shit, wrong channel, sorry |
| 14:15.11 | SynrG | :) |
| 14:15.12 | eletious | Thanks SynrG |
| 14:15.14 | SynrG | np |
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| 14:17.06 | csharkx | SynrG: I have a open wifi set, and I would like when people acess the brower be redirect to a webpage ... and just have the acess after login in this page. My first problem is to redirect this page ... |
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| 14:19.33 | SynrG | csharkx: that's not a clearly defined problem statement. you've stated your goal. what's the actual problem? |
| 14:20.26 | eletious | I'm gonna listen in on this one because I' |
| 14:20.38 | eletious | *I'm pretty sure I'm about to do some learnin' |
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| 14:21.53 | SynrG | csharkx: in other words, there are probably numerous ways to accomplish your goal. what have you tried, and what problem have you encountered trying that approach? |
| 14:21.59 | BlueEagl1 | csharkx: Ok. Which packages do you plan to use to set up this captive portal, or are you looking for a guide? |
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| 14:23.47 | csharkx | SynrG: I have tried using just apache2 and iptables ... |
| 14:24.19 | Psy-Q | could it be that systemd's journald is not handing some log messages to the mail facility of my rsyslogd correctly? it's on a wheezy-to-jessie system that didn't have systemd before, rsyslog configuration is the default |
| 14:25.11 | SynrG | csharkx: that tells me very little. that's like saying "i tried using a keyboard and a mouse ...". help us narrow it down to where you're stuck. |
| 14:25.22 | BlueEagle | csharkx: Please start with http://lmgtfy.com/?q=setting+up+a+captive+portal+on+debian and read through the different approaches described. Then, if you have a question regarding any of the approaches, feel free to ask about that. |
| 14:25.26 | csharkx | BlueEagle: I already saw some guides in internet. I want to do as simple as possible. I saw it with iptables + apache2 |
| 14:25.34 | Psy-Q | the issue presents itself like this: stuff gets logged into /var/log/syslog that i don't want there. https://gist.github.com/psy-q/16214e27a08818fae44f |
| 14:26.19 | BlueEagle | csharkx: Ok, so you have an approach. Apache and IP Tables. Why does that approach not work? |
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| 14:31.07 | bleb | what's the best way to replace GNU tools with a different userland (e.g. heirloom toolchest)? I'm guessing changing the userland systemwide would breakk some scripts, but what about using heirloom only for a specific user? |
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| 14:35.18 | SynrG | bleb: and still have a supportable debian system? i don't think it's possible. |
| 14:35.42 | SynrG | bleb: sure, if you want to experiment, be my guest. but this wouldn't be the place to get help with it. |
| 14:35.48 | BlueEagle | bleb: Maybe that is something more suitable in a LFS project? |
| 14:36.01 | SynrG | nods |
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| 14:38.26 | bleb | what about just putting the directory with heirloom tools at the front of my PATH? |
| 14:39.20 | bleb | I mean, if I do that for just one user, is it likely to break things? |
| 14:41.16 | BlueEagle | bleb: As far as I understand it the entire spirit of Heirloom is to do thinks as Unix-y as possible. If you truely want a Unix-y operating system, but one that also can run modern applications, then I would not recommend starting on a modern system and then replace one and one thing that you deem unfit for your environment. |
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| 14:41.48 | BlueEagle | bleb: As for breaking stuff, I do not know of anyone that have attempted what you describe, so please test it and write an article somewhere about your experience with it. |
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| 14:43.01 | hit_ | hello I have a process called "dash" that is using about 40% of my CPU all the time, anyone can point me what it is? |
| 14:43.07 | SynrG | bleb: as for "just ... at the front of my PATH". if you're replacing stuff that's marked 'required' or 'essential' in Debian, it doesn't matter *how* you do it. you still end up unsupportable. |
| 14:43.24 | BlueEagle | hit_: dash is the default shell client. (i.e. an alternative to bash) |
| 14:43.29 | SynrG | bleb: i would be deeply grieved if you did that and then continued to try to get support here for it. |
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| 14:44.03 | BlueEagle | hit_: You should not have a dash session that constantly runs out 40% of your cpu unless you're on a 486 or somesuch. |
| 14:44.14 | hit_ | oh ok, thanks BlueEagle. Any idea what is he doing? I think I havent open anything |
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| 14:44.47 | hit_ | yep I will kill it and hope it doesnt shows again, I think I dont use it |
| 14:44.47 | meaneye | Hey folks. Anyone knows how to restart PulseAudio without restarting computer. |
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| 14:46.47 | BlueEagle | meaneye: Not sure, but try: sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart |
| 14:47.25 | BlueEagle | meaneye: http://askubuntu.com/questions/15223/how-can-i-restart-pulseaudio-without-logout |
| 14:47.36 | meaneye | BlueEagle, for some moronic reason, after a while, pulse audio decides I don't have a sound card. If I kill it or do anything with it, control panel no longer sees it. |
| 14:47.37 | BlueEagle | meaneye: It's for Ubuntu, but I guess it should work in Debian as well. |
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| 14:48.18 | meaneye | BlueEagle, pulse audio is started per user, not as system service. |
| 14:48.35 | meaneye | BlueEagle, so there's no /etc/init.d/pulseaudio for me. |
| 14:49.07 | BlueEagle | meaneye: Then I suggest reading the link. I don't have sound on this computer and I'm at work so I can't test for myself. |
| 14:49.22 | hit_ | is there any way of seeing more info about that process, like what started it or something? |
| 14:50.34 | BlueEagle | hit_: Kind of hard to answer without knowing what information you already have. |
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| 14:51.25 | hit_ | humm I only saw it on "top". Is there any chance is a virus or similar, I mean, should I be worried? |
| 14:51.42 | BlueEagle | hit_: if you have the PID then cat /proc/<PID>/cmdline maybe? |
| 14:52.20 | hit_ | oh I already killed it, will do if it shows again |
| 14:52.32 | hit_ | thank you |
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| 14:53.59 | BlueEagle | hit_: You're welcome. |
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| 14:55.28 | blackflow | Looking at a mdadm raid10 setup, I see two disks have 4x more data read than the other two. I was kinda expecting an even load, and am not sure why is this. Is not mdadm implementation of raid with round-robin? |
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| 14:55.44 | Utils | Ok, Having some problems with understanding what is happening here... http://paste.debian.net/hidden/6a6fc5c9/ what exactly is iptables denying? i dont see a port number. |
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| 14:57.27 | ChrisH | Utils: SPT=53370 DPT=4899 Source Port = 53370 Destinatnport 4899 |
| 14:57.39 | Utils | ooo |
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| 15:01.44 | Utils | im running a turn server here, and i get a few of those messages. the spt and dpt's vary. |
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| 15:12.36 | Utils | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f8764b29/ why won't this allow everything but only block ssh after 4 failed attempts? i'm still getting errors like this: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ac373afa/ |
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| 15:15.26 | AndroUser | Is it possible upgraging from wheezy to jessie using debian DVDs as local ? Or eventually needs internet to download? |
| 15:15.47 | jhutchins | Utils: Did you look at those links I sent you yesterday? |
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| 15:16.28 | Utils | likely. i was sent a lot of links though. |
| 15:16.34 | Utils | did u send me this one: https://wiki.debian.org/iptables ? |
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| 15:17.50 | Mojtaba_ | how can i disable onboards graphic cards on my laptop? |
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| 15:18.13 | Utils | but either way, it makes no sense because i literally dont reject anything. but yet its being rejected anyway. im accepting all. |
| 15:18.17 | Utils | all input and output |
| 15:18.47 | aedinius | Mojtaba_: Usually there's a setting in the BIOS |
| 15:18.56 | SynrG | for a laptop? |
| 15:19.01 | Mojtaba_ | yes for a laptop |
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| 15:19.04 | SynrG | what kind of card is there *other* than onboard? |
| 15:19.13 | aedinius | SynrG: I think he means integrated vs discrete |
| 15:19.19 | aedinius | For the laptops that have both. |
| 15:19.25 | Mojtaba_ | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
| 15:19.26 | Mojtaba_ | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Park [Mobility Radeon HD 5430/5450/5470] |
| 15:19.56 | SynrG | oh. you have a dual. gotcha. but i thought they were both integrated. |
| 15:20.08 | Mojtaba_ | they are? |
| 15:20.13 | Mojtaba_ | i think so |
| 15:20.19 | SynrG | in any case, there should be a BIOS option, yes |
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| 15:20.47 | Mojtaba_ | so nothing i can do here to set it to only use the ati? |
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| 15:21.13 | SynrG | i always forget what the name of the AMD Optimus equivalent is ... |
| 15:21.16 | aedinius | Mojtaba_: It's a setting in the BIOS. You'll want to set it to "Discrete Only" |
| 15:21.31 | aedinius | Dynamic Switchable Graphics |
| 15:21.37 | SynrG | right, that. |
| 15:21.44 | aedinius | Hm. |
| 15:21.49 | Mojtaba_ | alright ill do that |
| 15:22.09 | aedinius | I have that on my work laptop. I wonder if the intel graphics would be faster than the foss radeon driver |
| 15:22.27 | Mojtaba_ | ive it on windows and its a lot faster |
| 15:22.38 | Mojtaba_ | so i thougth i could change it on debian too |
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| 15:28.06 | Utils | jhutchins: there was the debian.org/iptables that was sent... i don't remember who it was that sent it but i already had it. i dont remember anything else. but i believe i got it semi-working by doing: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/aee52285/ but for some reason i got a feeling that's not gonna reject those who have a hit count of 4. lol |
| 15:29.37 | knivsta | hi |
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| 15:43.55 | jd1 | hi folks. is there a debian installer with no gui and no networking? Trying to install within a special virtualization platform - X doesnt work right and doing netinst will probably take forever within this platform |
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| 15:45.26 | azmodeus | jdl, why using netinst will probably take forever? It depends on the connection speed, isn't it? |
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| 15:45.53 | jd1 | emulating within the virtualization platform is -slow- |
| 15:46.07 | jd1 | took an entire weekend to compile a kernel from within it |
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| 15:47.39 | jd1 | so what I dont want is to have to download and compile a bunch of programs from within just to get a base install |
| 15:48.00 | jhutchins | jd1: debootstrap? |
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| 15:48.06 | azmodeus | jdl, I see... I am sorry but netinst is what I would recomend... It took a little with my virtual host but not so much! =) |
| 15:48.35 | jd1 | yeah... my virtual platform is not nice like qemu or vmware. its an actual hardware emulator |
| 15:48.44 | jd1 | but I will try netinst |
| 15:49.07 | jd1 | debootstrap seems like it might work too |
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| 15:53.39 | WangDang_ | I'm on my third upgrade to jessie that has ended in an inconsistent state. I've 4 packages not fully installed. It all starts with a message from ld.so about an error in dl-machine.h, line 492, then the four packages fail to configure. I tried to clean things up with "dpkg --configure -a" and with "apt-get -f install", but I just get the same error repeated. Can anyone suggest how to get around this? Thanks. See http://paste.debian |
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| 15:54.41 | bazhang | Thanks. See http://paste.debia |
| 15:54.49 | bazhang | cut off there WangDang_ |
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| 15:55.22 | WangDang_ | See http://paste.debian.net/hidden/2391b751/ Thanks |
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| 16:03.19 | knivsta | Why cannot I open half of the apps that come with Debian? |
| 16:03.23 | knivsta | Music don't open? |
| 16:03.28 | knivsta | Photo don't open? |
| 16:03.32 | sopr | :{ |
| 16:03.57 | heeen | http://paste.debian.net/261630/ |
| 16:04.06 | heeen | something went wrong when upgrading from squeeze |
| 16:04.10 | heeen | what can I do |
| 16:04.54 | SynrG | WangDang_: do these systems only have JREs provided by Debian on them? |
| 16:05.32 | centrx | heeen, upgrading from squeeze to what? |
| 16:05.37 | heeen | jessie |
| 16:06.06 | SynrG | wrong answer :p |
| 16:06.19 | centrx | heeen, You need to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, then upgrade from wheezy to jessie |
| 16:06.29 | heeen | aw man |
| 16:06.32 | centrx | knivsta, Sounds like Gnome? Are there any error messages? |
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| 16:06.46 | heeen | that upgrade is already half-way through |
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| 16:06.57 | SynrG | hope you have good backups |
| 16:06.58 | heeen | won't it break even more if I change to squeeze |
| 16:07.08 | SynrG | it's impossible to say |
| 16:07.20 | centrx | You'll have to reinstall, or work it out somehow |
| 16:07.25 | SynrG | you could try editing the sources.list, change to wheezy, apt-get update, then try to continue ... |
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| 16:07.34 | SynrG | but no guarantees you haven't already damaged your system |
| 16:08.14 | SynrG | any configs and/or data structures already upgraded by scripts intended only to upgrade from wheezy -> jessie, not squeeze -> jessie may already be broken. |
| 16:08.47 | SynrG | so even if switching to a wheezy upgrade could work, we couldn't guarantee success. your system would forever be under a shadow of doubt |
| 16:08.58 | freddyb_ | when clicking links in a terminal (or thunderbird), I get a "Firefox is running but not responding…" dialog (I use a firefox binary in ~/opt), instead of a new tab in the currently open browser. How does this (sending links to an open program) work internally, how can I debug it and how can I find out why it does not work? :-) |
| 16:09.48 | SynrG | heeen: what, exactly, do you mean by "half way through"? |
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| 16:10.41 | SynrG | heeen: you did a prior apt-get dist-upgrade not shown in that paste and it successfully upgraded some things? |
| 16:10.59 | SynrG | (or "apparently successfully", i should say, since there's no knowing for certain) |
| 16:11.00 | knivsta | centrx, no msgs at all should I play from Terminal? |
| 16:11.11 | centrx | knivsta, Good idea |
| 16:11.50 | WangDang_ | SynrG: gcj-jre |
| 16:11.58 | knivsta | centrx, question is how? lol |
| 16:12.06 | knivsta | I don't know there terminal names |
| 16:12.07 | SynrG | WangDang_: i can't find any bug filed about this. i can only assume there's something in common about the three systems that's special to you. the job is to figure out what. |
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| 16:12.27 | heeen | http://paste.debian.net/261632/ |
| 16:12.38 | SynrG | WangDang_: yes, i can see by your paste gcj-jre is involved. but what i mean is, did you have Sun Java installed before, or something? |
| 16:12.38 | WangDang_ | It's actually only one system. The other two had different inconsistencies |
| 16:12.39 | heeen | can I manually fix this |
| 16:12.51 | SynrG | WangDang_: ah. i thought you meant the same one three times. ok |
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| 16:13.09 | SynrG | WangDang_: then mentioning the other two isn't really helpful (except for us to judge your frustration level :) |
| 16:13.10 | WangDang_ | no, I never had sun java installed |
| 16:13.14 | centrx | knivsta, I don't know much about Gnome, also try #gnome |
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| 16:14.15 | knivsta | centrx, ok thanks but I think those are like soft links to something else |
| 16:15.07 | SynrG | WangDang_: what on your system depends on gcj-jre? if it's only libreoffice, i think it's only a recommends ... |
| 16:15.21 | SynrG | WangDang_: so you might be able to get around it by purging those four packages, then reinstalling after. |
| 16:15.39 | WangDang_ | SynrG: jbossas4 depends on gcj-jre |
| 16:15.54 | knivsta | centrx, do you know where all the binaries should be? /usr/bin right? |
| 16:16.04 | centrx | knivsta, Generally yes |
| 16:16.17 | SynrG | WangDang_: what's jbossas4? that's not a debian package ... |
| 16:16.36 | knivsta | centrx, then I think its just the Soft links and not the apps |
| 16:16.52 | SynrG | WangDang_: if you're mixing third-party java stuff onto your system that could very well be the cause of your grief (as warned about in the release notes) |
| 16:17.24 | SynrG | well, not about java in particular, but third-party packages in general |
| 16:17.51 | SynrG | likewise with the other two "difficult" upgrades |
| 16:17.59 | knivsta | centrx, I got the error? Can I PM you? |
| 16:17.59 | centrx | knivsta, interesting, makes sense |
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| 16:18.05 | centrx | knivsta, use paste.debian.net |
| 16:18.08 | knivsta | centrx, no it exists :) |
| 16:18.16 | knivsta | ok wait |
| 16:18.46 | WangDang_ | SynrG: According to the description in aptitude, jbossas4 is a J2EE certified platform for developing and deploying Java. I only have regular debian repos in my sources.list do it must be in debian |
| 16:19.07 | WangDang_ | s/do it must/so it must/ |
| 16:19.38 | SynrG | ,v jbossas4 |
| 16:19.39 | judd | Package: jbossas4 on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.2.3.GA-4; wheezy: 4.2.3.GA-7 |
| 16:19.46 | SynrG | WangDang_: apparently it was removed from jessie |
| 16:20.29 | WangDang_ | So why didn't the dist-upgrade remove it? |
| 16:20.42 | SynrG | that's not what happens to packages when they are removed from the distribution |
| 16:20.59 | knivsta | centrx, https://defuse.ca/b/Yje9z51r |
| 16:21.02 | WangDang_ | So I can safely remove it myself? |
| 16:21.13 | SynrG | if you don't need it, yes, you can safely remove it yourself |
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| 16:21.42 | knivsta | guys I can open Music and Photos app in Debian Jessie and I get the following error in Terminal -- https://defuse.ca/b/Yje9z51r |
| 16:21.51 | WangDang_ | I'll give that a try |
| 16:22.34 | centrx | knivsta, I would search online for that error message, see what you can find. |
| 16:22.39 | centrx | knivsta, What version of Debian are you using? |
| 16:23.17 | knivsta | centrx, Jessie 8.0 |
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| 16:27.56 | knivsta | centrx, probably depends on tracker functionality, maybe it is optional in your distro, not installed by default? |
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| 16:28.05 | knivsta | This is what my friend told me |
| 16:28.06 | knivsta | :) |
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| 16:29.10 | centrx | knivsta, Try apt-get install tracker-gui tracker |
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| 16:30.34 | knivsta | centrx, I cannot search for local files in Gnome Menu when I type them or even their exact name |
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| 16:30.41 | knivsta | I think I need to turn it back n |
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| 16:33.55 | knivsta | centrx, cannot open gnome-photos with this error Failed to register: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus) |
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| 16:36.03 | centrx | knivsta, Is this a new install? Did you install: task-gnome-desktop ? |
| 16:36.12 | heeen | why doesn'tr apt-get install -d download anything |
| 16:36.23 | heeen | it craps out with some error |
| 16:36.27 | heeen | dependencies |
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| 16:37.43 | knivsta | centrx, I download debian jessie from an ISO |
| 16:38.00 | knivsta | and it shows in the menu and the packages are gnome-photos and gnome-music |
| 16:38.10 | SynrG | heeen: on your broken system partially upgraded from squeeze to jessie? |
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| 16:38.54 | SynrG | heeen: what are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 16:40.24 | Utils | when your logs rotate, do old ones get removed at all? like i have some like i have syslog.7.gz which is dated jun 20th, but nothing previous to that. do they get removed after some point? |
| 16:40.39 | heeen | SynrG: yes |
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| 16:40.53 | WangDang_ | SynrG: removed that jboss thing and another package and everything has returned to a stable state on that machine. Thanks for your help man |
| 16:41.03 | heeen | SynrG: I changed to wheezy and did upgrade, which again went half-way through |
| 16:41.22 | heeen | can't I tell it to just force install all selected packages |
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| 16:41.57 | SynrG | WangDang_: yay! |
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| 16:42.04 | heeen | E: The package libc6 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 16:42.06 | heeen | !? |
| 16:42.09 | SynrG | heeen: ow ow ow |
| 16:42.13 | heeen | doewnload it FFS |
| 16:42.21 | SynrG | did you apt-get update after changing your sources? |
| 16:42.24 | heeen | yes |
| 16:42.24 | SynrG | sounds like you didn't |
| 16:42.31 | heeen | of course I did |
| 16:42.34 | SynrG | really? then it's more screwed up than i thought |
| 16:42.44 | SynrG | i'm pretty sure you're looking at a reinstall here |
| 16:43.01 | SynrG | save your precious configs and stuff while you still can ... |
| 16:43.47 | SynrG | no typos in your sources.list edits? |
| 16:43.59 | SynrG | the apt-get update finished with no errors? |
| 16:44.27 | SynrG | i could see this happening if maybe you accidentally dropped 'main' during your edits or something |
| 16:44.38 | heeen | update works |
| 16:44.52 | SynrG | sure, but if it updates without main, it couldn't find libc6 ... |
| 16:44.59 | SynrG | otherwise, i don't know what that error is about |
| 16:45.10 | knivsta | centrx, resetting the Tracker fixed it :) |
| 16:45.26 | heeen | SynrG: http://paste.debian.net/261634/ |
| 16:45.29 | SynrG | heeen: i think trying to rescue your system at this point may be a waste both of our time and yours. |
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| 16:46.03 | SynrG | heeen: yeah, that looks perfectly ok to me |
| 16:46.27 | centrx | Excellent |
| 16:46.48 | SynrG | heeen: i strongly suspect apt itself may be hosed :p |
| 16:47.05 | SynrG | due to the botched partial squeeze->jessie upgrade |
| 16:47.18 | heeen | how is that even possible |
| 16:48.03 | SynrG | well, you tell me what you think that error means, then. it's coming from apt, yes? |
| 16:48.14 | SynrG | i've never seen it before. |
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| 16:51.20 | heeen | fing linux. |
| 16:51.32 | SynrG | i googled it and found: |
| 16:51.37 | SynrG | https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=49448&p=384976 |
| 16:51.49 | SynrG | heeen: but of course you weren't using raspberrypi, because you would've told us that. |
| 16:52.12 | SynrG | raspbian, i mean |
| 16:52.35 | heeen | no this is an amd64 machine |
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| 16:53.00 | SynrG | so what this means, then, is some mismatch between libc6 and apt that makes apt upset ... i *think* |
| 16:53.25 | SynrG | what's the current version of apt? and what's the current version of libc6? |
| 16:53.27 | SynrG | ,v apt |
| 16:53.28 | judd | Package: apt on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.8.10.3+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 0.8.10.3+squeeze7; wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.9.8.1; sid: 1.0.9.10; stretch: 1.0.9.10; experimental: 1.1~exp8 |
| 16:53.31 | SynrG | ,v libc6 |
| 16:53.32 | judd | Package: libc6 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u6; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u6; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u8; jessie: 2.19-18; stretch: 2.19-18; sid: 2.19-18; experimental: 2.21-0experimental0 |
| 16:53.37 | n-st | why does apt-get want to install new packages when i run an autoremove command? http://pastebin.com/ucJU9LCe |
| 16:53.47 | SynrG | my bet would be new apt, old libc6 or vice versa |
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| 16:54.44 | heeen | iHR libc6:amd64 2.19-18 amd64 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 16:54.50 | heeen | ii apt 0.8.10.3+squeeze7 amd64 Advanced front-end for dpkg |
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| 16:55.23 | SynrG | heeen: as i suspected. you have a partially upgraded and broken jessie libc6, but old squeeze apt |
| 16:55.35 | heeen | I tried to install libc6 via dpkg |
| 16:55.47 | SynrG | squeeze's libc6? |
| 16:55.59 | SynrG | i think that's the only thing that will make squeeze's apt happy again |
| 16:56.05 | heeen | /bin/sh: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by /bin/sh) |
| 16:56.15 | SynrG | i don't know why we're even still trying |
| 16:56.17 | heeen | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.43 | SynrG | i'm not entirely without a heart, but ... |
| 16:57.05 | SynrG | we could beat on this all day and *if* you rescue the system, its integrity would still be in doubt |
| 16:57.18 | SynrG | i mean, even assuming you solved all the apt problems |
| 16:57.31 | SynrG | and even that is a big open question right now |
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| 16:59.11 | bazhang | libc6? |
| 16:59.20 | bazhang | thats game over territory |
| 16:59.23 | SynrG | bazhang: botched squeeze->jessie direct upgrade |
| 16:59.42 | bazhang | SynrG, he should back up and full reinstall |
| 16:59.50 | SynrG | that's what i've been saying all along |
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| 16:59.55 | heeen | :/ |
| 16:59.59 | heeen | alright |
| 17:00.13 | bazhang | never touch libc6 |
| 17:00.13 | wikus | test |
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| 17:01.18 | SynrG | bazhang: wouldn't it be nice if you tried to leapfrog from oldoldstable -> stable in an upgrade apt would catch it and say "You're about to do something really stupid. Please type: 'Yes, I know what I'm doing and want to proceed anyway.' to continue." or something like that? |
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| 17:01.37 | SynrG | i'm not sure how it would detect it though :) |
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| 17:03.02 | phale | SynrG: is there a list of supported wifi dongles |
| 17:03.18 | bazhang | SynrG, heh nice |
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| 17:04.33 | rinilolipop | Linux Compatible USB Wireless Adapter (WUSB) |
| 17:04.50 | phale | rinilolipop: that's what it says on the dongle? |
| 17:05.00 | rinilolipop | List of Wi-Fi Device IDs in Linux ? |
| 17:05.17 | phale | lspci -nn | grep -i network probably |
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| 17:06.45 | rinilolipop | https://wikidevi.com/wiki/List_of_Wi-Fi_Device_IDs_in_Linux |
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| 17:15.36 | manuel4 | My /var/log folder is creating 50gb~ files such as "daemon.log", "kern.log", "syslog" and "messages" |
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| 17:16.42 | Peanut__ | Hi, I've got some Debian Wheezy machines, and I would like to install libldap-2.4-2 from wheezy-backports on it. But when I do 'apt-get install -t wheezy-backports libpdap-2.4.2', it fails due to it needing other libraries to be ugpraded as well. How could I make it pull in its dependencies from backports, too? |
| 17:16.48 | manuel4 | My /var/log folder is creating 50gb~ files such as "daemon.log", "kern.log", "syslog" and "messages". I already delete them but they re-create, already set logrogate to 100kb and "only readable" without success. |
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| 17:18.02 | Peanut__ | manuel4: why are those files so big, and how long do they take to get so big? Is logrotate failing, or simply not keeping up with their growth? |
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| 17:19.45 | manuel4 | not keeping up their growth, I DON'T KNOW why |
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| 17:19.54 | manuel4 | since my fresh install |
| 17:20.09 | manuel4 | already re-installed the OS |
| 17:20.15 | manuel4 | problem persists |
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| 17:20.45 | Peanut | manuel4: How long does it take for these files to grow this big? |
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| 17:20.58 | Tarragon | What have you got in your /etc/logrotate.conf |
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| 17:21.13 | manuel4 | On the first install a day. To the point I couldn't even cache. |
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| 17:21.49 | Peanut | manuel4: so is there anything that gets logged excessively in your logfile? 50GB a day is a bit excessive. |
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| 17:22.20 | phale | SynrG: when I switched from 11n to 11g |
| 17:22.25 | phale | the WiFi went perfectly |
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| 17:22.29 | manuel4 | I never installed anything. |
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| 17:23.24 | manuel4 | Should I open the logs files? |
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| 17:24.20 | manuel4 | they give me access denied |
| 17:24.22 | Peanut | manuel4: yes, have a look what is actually in the logfiles. |
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| 17:28.02 | Tarragon | sudo tail -f /var/log/user.log |
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| 17:30.14 | manuel4 | Peant,Tarragon. user.log is low as 100kb |
| 17:30.21 | manuel4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.21 | manuel4 | Jun 26 14:09:13 mancomunado mtp-probe: bus: 2, device: 3 was not an MTP device |
| 17:30.21 | manuel4 | Jun 26 14:09:13 mancomunado mtp-probe: bus: 2, device: 4 was not an MTP device |
| 17:30.21 | manuel4 | Jun 26 14:09:13 mancomunado mtp-probe: checking bus 1, device 3: "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb1/1-1/1-1.4" |
| 17:30.21 | manuel4 | Jun 26 14:09:13 mancomunado mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 3 was not an MTP device |
| 17:30.21 | manuel4 | Jun 26 14:10:01 mancomunado org.kde.powerdevil.backlighthelper[542]: no kernel backlight interface found |
| 17:30.21 | manuel4 | Jun 26 14:10:01 mancomunado org.kde.powerdevil.backlighthelper: QDBusConnection: system D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave. |
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| 17:31.49 | manuel4 | http://paste.debian.net/261650/ |
| 17:31.50 | manuel4 | user.log |
| 17:32.26 | Peanut | manuel4: if user.log is only 100kB, that's not where your problem is in - which logfiles are multiple GB in size? |
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| 17:32.30 | manuel4 | daemon has tons of lines |
| 17:32.37 | manuel4 | is still loading in console |
| 17:32.45 | manuel4 | i'll stop, but has many more |
| 17:32.51 | manuel4 | a repetitive line |
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| 17:33.16 | Peanut | Well, what is that repetitive line ? |
| 17:33.24 | manuel4 | http://paste.debian.net/261651/ |
| 17:33.25 | manuel4 | daemon.log |
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| 17:34.26 | manuel4 | kernlog= Jun 26 14:34:03 mancomunado kernel: [ 1508.866444] rt61pci 0000:02:01.0: Falling back to user helper |
| 17:34.26 | manuel4 | Jun 26 14:34:03 mancomunado kernel: [ 1508.867216] ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Info - Loading firmware file 'rt2561.bin' |
| 17:34.26 | manuel4 | Jun 26 14:34:03 mancomunado kernel: [ 1508.867223] rt61pci 0000:02:01.0: firmware: failed to load rt2561.bin (-2) |
| 17:34.26 | manuel4 | Jun 26 14:34:03 mancomunado kernel: [ 1508.867224] rt61pci 0000:02:01.0: Direct firmware load failed with error -2 |
| 17:34.26 | manuel4 | Jun 26 14:34:03 mancomunado kernel: [ 1508.867225] rt61pci 0000:02:01.0: Falling back to user helper |
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| 17:34.40 | Peanut | manuel4: ok, so your problem is with your wireless setup which is causing the excessive logging. |
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| 17:35.02 | manuel4 | what should I do |
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| 17:35.57 | manuel4 | Jun 26 14:34:03 mancomunado kernel: [ 1508.866444] rt61pci 0000:02:01.0: Falling back to user helperJun 26 14:34:03 mancomunado kernel: [ 1508.867216] ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Info - Loading firmware file 'rt2561.bin'Jun 26 14:34:03 mancomunado kernel: [ 1508.867223] rt61pci 0000:02:01.0: firmware: failed to load rt2561.bin (-2)Jun 26 14:34:03 mancomunado kernel: [ 1508.867224] rt61pci 0000:02:01.0: Direct firmware load failed with err |
| 17:36.04 | manuel4 | kernlog |
| 17:36.12 | bazhang | use a pastebin |
| 17:36.35 | Peanut | manuel4: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=755477 |
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| 17:36.36 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/755477 in network-manager (open): «network-manager: fills up /var/log/partition»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-07-21; last modified: 2014-08-06. |
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| 17:38.31 | yoLo_ | Ii use sudo dpkg -i google-chrome-*.deb |
| 17:38.37 | yoLo_ | and get command not found ? |
| 17:39.05 | yoLo_ | but dpkg is present when i type dpkg --help |
| 17:39.20 | Peanut | manuel4: check if you have the package 'firmware-ralink' installed from non-free. |
| 17:39.28 | yoLo_ | can i use apt instead ? |
| 17:39.30 | greycat | sounds like your sudo is setting a PATH that does not contain the right directories |
| 17:39.35 | Peanut | That containts the rt2561.bin firmware blob you need for your card. |
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| 17:40.34 | yoLo_ | any help ? |
| 17:40.43 | manuel4 | sudo apt-get install firmware-ralink? peanut |
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| 17:41.16 | Peanut | manuel: yes. But it comes from the 'non-free' repository, so you might have to enable that first. |
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| 17:44.02 | yoLo_ | greycat: ? |
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| 17:46.40 | yoLo_ | !! is my sudo broken ? |
| 17:46.42 | dpkg | ...but ! is already something else... |
| 17:46.51 | manuel4 | peanut, wasn't possible to install firmware-ralink even adding "deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ jessie main [contrib non-free]" without [] |
| 17:46.54 | yoLo_ | each time i use sudo i get command not found :| ! ? |
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| 17:47.23 | abrotman | yoLo_: perhaps it's not in your path .. try the full path |
| 17:47.37 | yoLo_ | abrotman: and how do i do this ? |
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| 17:48.23 | Peanut | manuel4: did you do 'apt-get update' after editing /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 17:48.49 | manuel4 | I installed from https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/firmware-ralink/download |
| 17:49.04 | greycat | yoLo_: did you modify the secure_path setting in sudoers? |
| 17:49.07 | manuel4 | pressing ctrl+alt+f4 seems to be disappeared the continuos list of error |
| 17:49.15 | manuel4 | I think it solved. |
| 17:49.22 | manuel4 | will delete and reboot the machine. |
| 17:49.25 | Peanut | manuel4: ok, great :-) So the logfiles will be rotated automatically. |
| 17:49.31 | Peanut | Or you can delete them, yes. |
| 17:49.56 | yoLo_ | greycat: nope i have just installed jessie |
| 17:50.09 | yoLo_ | i haven't modified anything |
| 17:50.21 | greycat | yoLo_: what does this say: sudo /usr/bin/env | grep PATH |
| 17:50.48 | manuel4 | Peanut, may I ask as well how to force KDE to save my session? Fedora's KDE used to open all my remaining software but this kde doesn't. |
| 17:50.50 | yoLo_ | greycat: command not found |
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| 17:51.06 | Peanut | manuel4: maybe someone else here knows? I've never used KDE. |
| 17:51.07 | greycat | yoLo_: pastebin the ENTIRE command and the ENTIRE output |
| 17:51.25 | greycat | now I'm wondering if he even INSTALLED sudo... |
| 17:51.34 | yoLo_ | greycat: since the command starts with sudo it wont work |
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| 17:51.42 | yoLo_ | because sudo doesn't work |
| 17:51.47 | greycat | yoLo_: if you don't show the full error, it's really damned hard to help |
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| 17:52.15 | yoLo_ | greycat: sudo just doesn't work |
| 17:52.25 | repxl | how to remove something completely .. to begin a fresh install i mean all the configs etc |
| 17:52.26 | yoLo_ | sudo /usr/bin/env | grep PATH has sudo infront |
| 17:52.32 | manuel4 | Okay Peanut, thank you for solving my firmware problem! |
| 17:52.33 | greycat | Then show the error you get when you try to run it |
| 17:52.35 | yoLo_ | i will get command not found |
| 17:52.40 | greycat | DID YOU TRY IT OR NOT |
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| 17:53.17 | yoLo_ | greycat: http://dpaste.com/1APTN11 |
| 17:53.32 | greycat | yoLo_: did you even install sudo yet? |
| 17:53.42 | yoLo_ | ........ |
| 17:53.51 | yoLo_ | doesn't sudo come already installed ? |
| 17:53.54 | greycat | no |
| 17:53.56 | yoLo_ | :| |
| 17:54.10 | bazhang | ,v sudo |
| 17:54.11 | judd | Package: sudo on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.7.4p4-2.squeeze.4; squeeze-security: 1.7.4p4-2.squeeze.4; squeeze-security-lts: 1.7.4p4-2.squeeze.5; squeeze-backports: 1.8.5p2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.8.5p2-1+nmu1; wheezy-security: 1.8.5p2-1+nmu2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.8.5p2-1+nmu3; jessie: 1.8.10p3-1+deb8u2; sid: 1.8.12-1; stretch: 1.8.12-1 |
| 17:54.12 | yoLo_ | i coukd have sworn using wheezy came with sudo |
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| 17:54.21 | greycat | No, it doesn't. Not in the standard install, anyway. |
| 17:54.33 | greycat | It has priority: optional. |
| 17:54.37 | yoLo_ | so i need to apt-get install sudo |
| 17:54.41 | greycat | as root, yes |
| 17:54.45 | yoLo_ | thanks |
| 17:55.28 | valdyn | theres this program that intercepts command not found |
| 17:55.39 | greycat | that's more of an ubuntu thing |
| 17:55.52 | greycat | though I suppose someone probably made a debian package too |
| 17:55.57 | valdyn | yea |
| 17:56.03 | bazhang | ,v command-not-found |
| 17:56.04 | judd | Package: command-not-found on amd64 -- sid: 0.2.38-1; wheezy: 0.2.38-1; squeeze: 0.2.38-1; stretch: 0.2.38-1; jessie: 0.2.38-1 |
| 17:56.25 | bazhang | is there an sl as well |
| 17:56.32 | greycat | IIRC it sets the bash command_not_found_handle function. |
| 17:56.36 | valdyn | bazhang: yea |
| 17:56.43 | bazhang | thats my fave |
| 17:57.05 | yoLo_ | good now one problem solved now i need to add my user to sudoers file |
| 17:57.44 | greycat | if you are in the sudo group, you don't have to |
| 17:58.11 | yoLo_ | since i've just installed sudo |
| 17:58.22 | yoLo_ | i'm assuming that i'm not in the group |
| 17:58.38 | greycat | if doing so created the sudo group and put you in it, you might have to log out and back in to pick up the group privs |
| 17:59.08 | yoLo_ | i see |
| 17:59.20 | greycat | I don't know at which point the group is created, or populated. |
| 17:59.23 | yoLo_ | so log out and back in will solve the issue |
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| 17:59.46 | greycat | run "id" to see your current shell's privs, and grep sudo /etc/group to see what will happen at login |
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| 18:01.27 | yoLo_ | groups=1000(ned) |
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| 18:02.00 | greycat | that's... really weird. Usually user 1000 (the main user you made during installation) has a lot more memberships. |
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| 18:03.07 | Behruz | Which one is better way for upgrading, downloading 4 DVDs or direct way? |
| 18:03.34 | greycat | Why would you even THINK about downloading 4 dvds? |
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| 18:04.11 | repxl | this php mailing is a nightmare i just can't setup a mailing with php fpm and nginx i installed exim , sendmail none works |
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| 18:04.28 | Behruz | greycat,i want it for further using |
| 18:05.05 | greycat | If you're going to use them to upgrade a dozen machines that are physically separated from each other (can't share a proxy), it starts to make a little bit of sense. |
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| 18:06.54 | Behruz | greycat,i already do upgrade but tonight i want to do dist-upgrade |
| 18:08.04 | centrx | dist-upgrade simply allows for removing packages as part of the automatic dependency resolution |
| 18:08.37 | Behruz | greycat,which way is more competitive? |
| 18:09.04 | greycat | I don't know what you mean by competitive. |
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| 18:09.58 | greycat | Dist-upgrading a desktop box will probably download, what, a gigabyte? Maybe 1.5 GB? Downloading FOUR DVD IMAGES is about 18 GB. |
| 18:10.43 | Behruz | greycat,my actual problem is about installing some software which i can't done it with wheezy |
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| 18:11.27 | greycat | So backport it. Or install an already-made backport. |
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| 18:13.32 | Peanut | Do I need pinning when using wheezy-backports? |
| 18:13.53 | Behruz | greycat,what's that backport? for example i want to install new version of krita but it want me bunch of jessie dependencies |
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| 18:14.10 | greycat | Behruz: Peanut: /msg dpkg wheezy backports |
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| 18:15.40 | Peanut | greycat: Ok, I've got that already.. just having trouble with dependencies not going to the wheezy-backports. |
| 18:16.11 | Peanut | I do 'apt-get update; apt-get install -t wheezy-backports libldap-2.4-2' but all the dependencies are still pulled from regular Wheezy, and hence fail. |
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| 18:17.10 | yoLo_ | seriously, i'm loving the new look in Jessie |
| 18:18.07 | Tarragon | On a new Jessie Gnome install I do not seem to have any Message Tray. I was expecting to see Removable Devices for USB drives when I hover at the bottom of the screen. Have I missed something and how can I check? |
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| 18:19.25 | laidback_01 | man... I guess we don't use dd to write the boot image to usb drive anymore. |
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| 18:20.15 | Behruz | greycat.i think i must eventually do dist-upgrade tonight. |
| 18:20.47 | greycat | I guess that makes sense, since you are already partly upgraded. |
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| 18:21.50 | laidback_01 | hey, where do I find the md5 sig for the files.. |
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| 18:22.42 | Behruz | greycat,does it a common way in linux to get new futures.And when debian 9 will come i must do the same? |
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| 18:24.56 | alfon | Hi, I have an old "RV100/M6 " video card that worked fine with Debian 7 and now since upgrade to Debian 8 doesn't work so fine |
| 18:25.07 | alfon | The main problem is that Xorg show an extremely slow window movement |
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| 18:25.25 | alfon | watching the "top" output seems tha Xorg consume all the CPU when a window movement occur |
| 18:25.36 | alfon | Can someone help me? |
| 18:25.42 | alfon | I put the dmesg output in http://paste.debian.net/261658 |
| 18:25.47 | greycat | Don't move windows so often. |
| 18:25.52 | alfon | and the glxinfo output in http://paste.debian.net/261660 |
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| 18:26.43 | alfon | greycat: Thank you, I did't think that |
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| 18:27.47 | r6ku | which drivers are you using? |
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| 18:28.26 | n-st | why does apt-get want to install new packages when i run `apt-get autoremove`? http://pastebin.com/ucJU9LCe |
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| 18:39.28 | laidback_01 | hello, I'd like to write an installable image to a USB drive from a FreeBSD system. Things aren't quite going according to plan, and i seem to end up with a bad isolinux.bin |
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| 18:40.05 | laidback_01 | I've tried to use dd with bs=1m , perhaps this is too large? |
| 18:41.33 | Slumlord_ | hi everyone I have a georgia new design license plate number PWC 7711 and I drive recklessly in and out traffic and I try to drive people off the road. Please report me |
| 18:41.57 | mtn | laidback_01, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 18:42.11 | mtn | laidback_01, maybe try cp instead |
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| 18:42.46 | laidback_01 | I wonder why this is such a complex process anymore... it used to be dd if=image.iso of=/dev/usbwhatever bs=1024 and it worked |
| 18:42.54 | laidback_01 | now it's a major undertaking.. |
| 18:43.58 | laidback_01 | I mean, that cp looks easy... |
| 18:44.02 | laidback_01 | but, it's not working. |
| 18:44.08 | laidback_01 | meh, I'm tired of trying it. |
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| 18:44.28 | mtn | laidback_01, huh, works for me and others. what error do you get when you try it? |
| 18:44.33 | laidback_01 | can someone tell me where the image sums are posted for these images? |
| 18:44.40 | laidback_01 | well, I'm using a freebsd system at a remote site |
| 18:44.45 | laidback_01 | i can write the image with cp |
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| 18:45.16 | laidback_01 | the end user takes the usb out, plugs it into another machine, tries to boot, and it says "Isolinux.bin missing or corrupt" |
| 18:45.43 | Tarragon | laidback_01 I used dd if=/mypath/debian-live-8.1.0-i386-gnome-desktop.iso of=/dev/sdd bs=4M; sync |
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| 18:47.08 | p8m | laidback_01: I used "dd" to write a jessie image to a usb drive several times without trouble. Are you running "sync" afterwards? bsds use the notion of raw devices. Try writing to the raw device? |
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| 18:47.59 | mevon | hello guys, here is an easy one: how can I add ROOT user in a fresh install "without effective root"? |
| 18:48.08 | mevon | in jessie |
| 18:48.23 | p8m | laidback_01: nm, raw devices were removed in freebsd 4.0 |
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| 18:49.00 | valdyn | mevon: what? |
| 18:49.19 | valdyn | mevon: a "root" user that does not have root permissions? |
| 18:49.20 | laidback_01 | hang on, I'm doing a pastie listing. |
| 18:49.21 | mevon | valdyn: somehow, i managed to install my jessie without a root user |
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| 18:49.30 | valdyn | mevon: you cant do that |
| 18:49.40 | greycat | mevon: grep :0: /etc/passwd |
| 18:49.52 | p8m | mevon: give root a password? |
| 18:50.33 | Tarragon | mevon: do you mean you have forgotten the root password? |
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| 18:51.03 | mevon | not i just instaleed it and somehow I cant su or sudo |
| 18:51.08 | p8m | I think he means ubuntu-style, no root, just sudo |
| 18:51.10 | shentino | you can install without a root user, if you have your regular user with sudo |
| 18:51.11 | greycat | mevon: grep :0: /etc/passwd |
| 18:51.38 | mevon | root:*:0:0:root/root:/bin/bash |
| 18:52.02 | mevon | theres a : missing in there |
| 18:52.05 | greycat | Did you PASTE that, or TYPE it? |
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| 18:52.12 | mevon | typed it |
| 18:52.19 | laidback_01 | okay, this seems like it should work for writing the image to me: http://pastie.org/10260661 |
| 18:52.20 | greycat | So it might actually be correct in the real file. |
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| 18:52.47 | laidback_01 | I don't know if that is the right image, if someone else has that same image, can you sum it - see if I have the right file ? |
| 18:52.53 | mevon | grep :0: /etc/passwd => root:*:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
| 18:52.58 | valdyn | greycat: i think even a fresh jessie install uses "x" |
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| 18:53.18 | greycat | Yeah, I have x in field 2 on a fresh-jessie and on an upgraded-jessie. |
| 18:53.24 | mevon | i use the expert install from the first DVD |
| 18:53.28 | greycat | But the point is, you do HAVE a root user. |
| 18:53.33 | mevon | ok |
| 18:53.44 | valdyn | mevon: and its probably not really debian what you are showing us |
| 18:53.47 | mevon | it asked me a question about the root |
| 18:53.52 | valdyn | mevon: or how the hell do you explain the * |
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| 18:54.07 | greycat | But the password is disabled by the * in field 2. Which should be an x if you intend to use it as a password-accessible account. |
| 18:54.20 | mevon | ok |
| 18:54.29 | mevon | so i just need to create a password? |
| 18:54.39 | mevon | with passwd command? |
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| 18:54.54 | greycat | You need to be in a shell with root privileges to do anything. |
| 18:55.10 | mevon | :S |
| 18:55.21 | mevon | seemed i locked myself out |
| 18:55.28 | greycat | Can you even boot in single-user mode and get to a root prompt that way? |
| 18:55.30 | mevon | can i call a locksmith :P |
| 18:56.13 | mevon | at boot loading time i saw somekind of login, like id open a new console with alt+F1 or F2 |
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| 18:56.32 | mevon | then it skipped to graphical login |
| 18:56.44 | mevon | never saw that except in headless install |
| 18:56.54 | mevon | ill try to reboot |
| 18:57.03 | greycat | That sounds normal for a machine that has one of the *dm things installed. |
| 18:57.04 | p8m | mevon: Did you create another user on install? The user you created should be able to sudo |
| 18:57.55 | mevon | p8m: tried su and didnt work |
| 18:58.17 | p8m | mevon: try "sudo". it's a different command |
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| 19:00.11 | unborn | mevon, hi, are you trying to log into terminal as root? |
| 19:00.35 | mevon | yes |
| 19:00.41 | unborn | mevon, this was changed in debian 8, no root logins are allowed.. |
| 19:00.47 | mevon | sudo : bash: command not found |
| 19:01.17 | greycat | is getting of people mistyping errors |
| 19:01.34 | greycat | Does it ACTUALLY say "bash: sudo: command not found"? |
| 19:01.36 | unborn | mevon, you will have to have access physically onto machine to 'adjust' sshd config.. its just one line to change and then you can log in as a root user |
| 19:02.02 | mevon | takes out his hacksaw |
| 19:02.15 | mevon | unborn: okay :S |
| 19:02.44 | greycat | "bash: sudo: command not found" means you are currently in bash, and you typed sudo, but it's not there. "sudo: bash: command not found" would mean that sudo is THERE, and you EXECUTED it, but sudo was then unable to launch a new instance of bash. VERY different. |
| 19:03.06 | mevon | greycat: sorry |
| 19:03.07 | tethra | fine detail |
| 19:03.23 | mevon | bash: sudo: command not found |
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| 19:03.51 | greycat | So you installed "expert" but you forgot to install sudo, or to give root a usable password. |
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| 19:03.53 | mevon | unborn: do i need to boot on a live or something? |
| 19:04.01 | greycat | !i forgot root's password |
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| 19:04.01 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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| 19:04.19 | unborn | mevon, nope.. if you have access to the machine is simple |
| 19:04.42 | unborn | mevon, open terminal on machine and go for : sudo nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 19:04.43 | mevon | yes i have the machine right here |
| 19:05.03 | mevon | unborn: sudo does not seem to work |
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| 19:05.10 | greycat | sudo is not installed |
| 19:05.24 | unborn | mevon, on the machine it should work.. physically on machine.. |
| 19:05.29 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 19:05.33 | greycat | unborn: see what dpkg wrote. |
| 19:05.43 | sussudio | greycat: how do you keep your calm in here |
| 19:05.59 | greycat | By not being here as often as I used to be. |
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| 19:06.01 | unborn | greycat, sorry didnt read the previous msgs.. I am up to date now.. heh hows possible this? |
| 19:06.13 | sussudio | i guess that works. |
| 19:06.14 | greycat | I don't know. I have never done an "expert install". |
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| 19:06.36 | greycat | I'm guessing you should be a little more expert when you try one. |
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| 19:06.51 | unborn | greycat, I do only net installs :) |
| 19:06.59 | greycat | same here |
| 19:07.19 | unborn | mevon, did you install debian via usb pen drive? |
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| 19:07.29 | sussudio | the live debian dvd has an option to install SID... why would you do that to a noob. |
| 19:07.34 | greycat | 14:53 mevon> i use the expert install from the first DVD |
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| 19:08.20 | mevon | unborn: expert install with DVD 1 on a thumb stick |
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| 19:08.41 | mevon | greycat: i always mess it up with expert install lols |
| 19:08.46 | shred45 | Is https://qa.debian.org down for everyone else? |
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| 19:09.45 | sussudio | it's not down. it's actively refusing connections. |
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| 19:10.05 | shred45 | Ah ok |
| 19:10.09 | greycat | which may mean the service is down, just not the whole computer |
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| 19:11.01 | unborn | mevon, I always install debian only from cd.. (as net install but you can download full dvd if you want) - since debian 5 I had problem to install deb isos from usb.. always something went wrong..since I have to install virtualmin (and webmin) on my servers - cd worked always.. (I did not try deb 6 nor 7 from pen drive but deb 8 from pen drive failed me) - so I suggest to reinstall your system with net-install from cd or d |
| 19:11.02 | unborn | ownload full iso and burn it to dvd.. |
| 19:11.05 | laidback_01 | well, no idea why that debian image failed me... when I cp debian.iso /dev/da0, and then show the partitions, it creates only a small (416k) partistion /dev/da0s2 and puts the efi stuff in there, leaves the rest out of it |
| 19:11.08 | laidback_01 | so it won't boot. |
| 19:11.51 | mevon | yeah ok so no easy way to install sudo? |
| 19:11.53 | laidback_01 | unborn: yeah, I'm having a hell of a time with debian on usb as well. |
| 19:12.05 | laidback_01 | so... going back to freebsd, it's easier for me I guess. |
| 19:12.37 | greycat | mevon: you need root privs to install sudo to get root privs |
| 19:12.50 | greycat | mevon: see what dpkg wrote above, under "!i forgot root's password" |
| 19:13.19 | greycat | In your case, also double-check the /etc/passwd line and make sure it has the x in field 2 before exiting from the emergency shell. |
| 19:13.21 | unborn | laidback_01, its known issue.. bug report is filled up but cd cost like 3p? right? I had massive issues with grub and then with root account on pen drive.. so if you have hell with it, just burn cd/dvd and it will work as magic |
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| 19:14.45 | g7 | Hi |
| 19:14.57 | p8m | unborn: that's a known issue? Do you have a bug #? Why does the install handbook still tell people to do it? |
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| 19:16.20 | unborn | p8m, I have no idea.. good question but I think you may report this on debian website as well.. |
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| 19:17.22 | g7 | I have some issues with xrandr/gpu drivers |
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| 19:18.09 | g7 | xrandr only sees default, it doesn't see LVDS and VGA |
| 19:18.12 | unborn | laidback_01, since my knowhow is focused only to linux - yeah it may be great for you but I love debian, after all of those years - my knowledge in debian is much better then in bsd (free or not). I am unable to help regards free bsd. I am sorry. |
| 19:18.42 | g7 | that might be driver related, yes? |
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| 19:34.10 | mevon | netsplit? |
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| 19:35.03 | laidback_01 | no issue |
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| 19:36.43 | mevon | dpkg: i managed to have the root user from the GRUB rescue menu selection |
| 19:36.43 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, mevon |
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| 19:37.13 | jelly | mevon: that's just a bot |
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| 19:38.06 | g7 | dpkg: i wann be person #2 |
| 19:38.07 | dpkg | no idea, g7 |
| 19:38.15 | raboof | is there a particular reason the Google Fonts are not in Debian (https://www.google.com/fonts)? |
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| 19:39.11 | jelly | ,v fonts-roboto |
| 19:39.12 | judd | Package: fonts-roboto on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1:4.3-3~bpo70+1; stretch: 1:4.4.4r2-6; jessie: 1:4.4.4r2-6; sid: 1:4.4.4r2-6 |
| 19:39.27 | raboof | jelly: oh I wonder how I missed that :S |
| 19:39.28 | jelly | raboof: at least one seems present |
| 19:39.37 | raboof | yeah lato is in there too |
| 19:40.19 | raboof | never mind I must have mislooked :s |
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| 19:43.06 | mevon | greycat: thanks for your help, somehow the brub menu RESCUE mode gave me a root user logged in |
| 19:43.16 | mevon | lols grub* |
| 19:43.21 | greycat | cool |
| 19:43.26 | mevon | sorry for the typos too |
| 19:43.58 | Filystyn | guys i do not have SO_LOOPBACK in my sys/socket.h |
| 19:44.06 | Filystyn | wtf it's kind of important socket option |
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| 19:44.18 | Filystyn | debian fix it! |
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| 19:44.42 | unborn | Filystyn, there is magic word you know... |
| 19:44.47 | Filystyn | plz ;-) |
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| 19:44.52 | unborn | :) |
| 19:44.52 | Filystyn | halp me! |
| 19:45.34 | Filystyn | well it's not basicly located in that header but that header includes othere header that should have it |
| 19:46.24 | Filystyn | hmm sec now im checking and accualy it's not that obvious it should be there... |
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| 19:46.42 | Filystyn | tho the option makes sens |
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| 19:46.50 | Filystyn | i mean why remove it? |
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| 19:48.15 | Filystyn | its "SO_USELOOPBACK" |
| 19:48.36 | Filystyn | but i do not have it i simply typed up there too fast |
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| 19:49.49 | unborn | Filystyn, is may sounds stupid but I did not get managed to make loopback working till system reinstall :( |
| 19:50.17 | Filystyn | ... |
| 19:51.01 | Filystyn | if i at least could locate the minor header that is suppose to have this |
| 19:51.06 | Filystyn | ;-) |
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| 19:52.57 | SynrGy | Filystyn: sounds like that code isn't for linux, then |
| 19:54.03 | Filystyn | no jokes all othere options work |
| 19:54.46 | SynrGy | i'm not joking. it's not a linux socket option |
| 19:55.43 | SynrGy | maybe you're looking at code written for BSD or some other Unix? |
| 19:55.48 | Filystyn | hmm i kind of checked now and looks like you are right |
| 19:56.01 | Filystyn | just sec ill look where i saw it |
| 19:57.04 | Filystyn | http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/iseries/v5r1/ic2924/index.htm?info/apis/gsocko.htm |
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| 19:57.42 | SynrGy | sure. have you any idea what operating system that's for? |
| 19:58.07 | Filystyn | nope but there says that it's not supported. |
| 19:58.22 | Filystyn | i kind of made assumption that if rest is known this one must be also working |
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| 19:58.36 | SynrGy | i click on the list of APIs at the bottom and it takes me to: |
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| 19:58.38 | SynrGy | http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/iseries/v5r1/ic2924/index.htm?info/apis/gsocko.htm |
| 19:58.45 | SynrGy | well, don't assume |
| 19:58.51 | greycat | Given that it says ibm.com it could be from AIX. |
| 19:58.55 | SynrGy | and use the doc that comes with your own OS. don't randomly google things |
| 19:59.02 | SynrGy | argh, mispaste |
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| 19:59.29 | SynrGy | oh, actually that is fine. it just didn't change the URL ... |
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| 19:59.37 | SynrGy | yay. frames ftw |
| 19:59.54 | SynrGy | "This page provides a link to each of the major categories of the OS/400 APIs." |
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| 20:00.48 | SynrGy | aka "IBM i" |
| 20:01.22 | SynrGy | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_i |
| 20:01.30 | Filystyn | i made a silly mistake at start i could not find source with all the options and before i found this http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/include/uapi/asm-generic/socket.h i kind of wrote down everythign i found heh |
| 20:01.42 | Filystyn | but yeah your right i should have been carfuler ;-) |
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| 20:02.11 | Filystyn | is that link at least ok when checking things for debian? ;-) |
| 20:02.38 | greycat | Filystyn: for god's sake, why can't you just type "man getsockopt" on Debian? |
| 20:02.54 | SynrGy | indeed. anything else is a crapshoot |
| 20:03.07 | Filystyn | coz there is nothing in manual |
| 20:03.11 | Filystyn | the source is important |
| 20:03.13 | greycat | Did you READ it? |
| 20:03.23 | Filystyn | i checked man 7 |
| 20:03.24 | greycat | "For a description of the available socket options see socket(7) and the appropriate protocol man pages." |
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| 20:04.17 | cr1st0 | hey there |
| 20:04.31 | cr1st0 | i'm trying to install build-essential |
| 20:04.32 | Filystyn | not all options are described in manula dude |
| 20:04.36 | Filystyn | manual** |
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| 20:04.38 | g7 | Bye |
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| 20:04.54 | greycat | Whatever is not described in the documentation is, by definition, undocumented. |
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| 20:05.14 | Filystyn | hehe .\" don't document it because it can do too much harm. .\".B SO_NO_CHECK |
| 20:05.14 | cr1st0 | it say's to insert the debian 1 disc, but i installed from a pen and the label is uii |
| 20:05.15 | SynrGy | Filystyn: if you find Debian's doc untrustworthy, it's game over. might as well use a different OS whose documentation you trust, then |
| 20:05.17 | greycat | If you use undocumented things, your program may spontaneously explode. Probably a year from now. |
| 20:05.20 | Filystyn | this is some bs |
| 20:05.23 | SynrGy | Filystyn: maybe you should be using IBM i |
| 20:05.23 | cr1st0 | it don't find the files... |
| 20:05.28 | Filystyn | they should documment everything |
| 20:05.30 | SynrGy | you seem to like their doc |
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| 20:06.14 | Filystyn | Your saying i have to trust documentation not what is in headers in my system ? |
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| 20:06.23 | Filystyn | that manual describes |
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| 20:08.23 | cr1st0 | i'm trying to install build-essential |
| 20:08.26 | cr1st0 | it say's to insert the debian 1 disc, but i installed from a pen and the label is uii |
| 20:08.30 | cr1st0 | it don't find the files... |
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| 20:08.40 | cr1st0 | don't find the pen |
| 20:08.47 | greycat | Just comment out the CD lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list and use network sources only. |
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| 20:09.04 | cr1st0 | ok |
| 20:09.30 | SynrGy | Filystyn: i'm saying don't waste our time by ranting about stuff missing from Debian that is documented by random other OSes. use Debian's doc. trust it. yes. |
| 20:10.04 | valdyn | ibms docs are pretty good in some cases, even for debian |
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| 20:10.25 | greycat | If you care one whit about portability ("I want this program to run on TWO computers, not just one") then you should stick with common, standard interfaces. Not random stuff you found that only exists on one obscure commercial system or whatever. |
| 20:10.39 | valdyn | of course |
| 20:11.09 | greycat | System-dependent extensions are why C programs have hundreds of lines of #ifdef crap. |
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| 20:11.35 | Filystyn | i hope i can at least use libc sometimes ;-) |
| 20:12.00 | greycat | POSIX defines standard functions that may be implemented in libc and relied upon. |
| 20:12.08 | greycat | There may be other functions in libc besides those. |
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| 20:20.12 | Filystyn | is there way to search man for some one particular word? |
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| 20:20.26 | lechner | Filystyn: try slash |
| 20:20.31 | greycat | if you're reading the man page with less (which is normal), use / |
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| 20:20.54 | Filystyn | man -K "fopen" this |
| 20:21.18 | Filystyn | it's thinking now |
| 20:21.20 | greycat | Oh, you didn't mean searching the manpage you are currently reading. You meant searching FOR a manpage. |
| 20:21.21 | Filystyn | this debian |
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| 20:23.25 | lechner | Hi, attempting to upgrade to systemd 220-7 on Debian testing left one of my computers in a difficult state. dpkg --configure -a won't complete because of timeouts. Any hints? Thanks! |
| 20:24.23 | Filystyn | btw is there way to easily find the header that constant i look is defined? |
| 20:24.44 | greycat | Filystyn: "grep -r FOOBAR /usr/include" |
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| 20:25.39 | Filystyn | the problem is i do not know the name of head i know the name fo constant |
| 20:25.54 | Filystyn | foobar is the constant? |
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| 20:26.30 | Filystyn | found!!!! |
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| 20:27.25 | LiterallyWhy | Question |
| 20:27.40 | LiterallyWhy | Why does Debian group packages the wau it does? |
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| 20:28.37 | FreezingDroid | After using dpkg to extract and rebuild a .deb, it's gained 200KB in size, even though I didn't add any content |
| 20:28.49 | valdyn | LiterallyWhy: there is multiple grouping systems, what are you talking about? |
| 20:29.17 | valdyn | FreezingDroid: look at it, is it once gz and once xz compressed inside the ar archive? |
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| 20:29.28 | FreezingDroid | valdyn: Er, how can I check> |
| 20:29.39 | LiterallyWhy | for example |
| 20:29.51 | LiterallyWhy | why is nm-applet not installed with networkmanager? |
| 20:29.53 | valdyn | FreezingDroid: "ar x file.deb" probably |
| 20:29.58 | unborn | time to watch movies.. long life to debian! ...some love to rest of us.. cya |
| 20:30.14 | valdyn | LiterallyWhy: because network-manager does not require nm-applet to function |
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| 20:31.02 | LiterallyWhy | valdyn, but it doesn't make sense for it to be grouped with some gnome package? |
| 20:31.35 | Filystyn | ok i checked SO_TIMESTAMPING has no manual, can not this be considered as part of manual --> http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/networking/timestamping.txt |
| 20:32.21 | valdyn | LiterallyWhy: obviously, for you, but that has got nothing to do with how things are |
| 20:32.32 | FreezingDroid | valdyn: Weird, the xz one is larger |
| 20:33.02 | LiterallyWhy | Yes but that makes it impossible to install nm-applet without a bunch of bloat |
| 20:33.13 | valdyn | LiterallyWhy: really? |
| 20:33.23 | valdyn | LiterallyWhy: so you cant just run "apt-get install nm-applet" ? |
| 20:33.32 | valdyn | LiterallyWhy: i cant follow you really, logically |
| 20:33.39 | LiterallyWhy | try it |
| 20:33.44 | LiterallyWhy | you cant |
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| 20:34.17 | FreezingDroid | valdyn: Isn't lzma the same thing as .xz? |
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| 20:34.31 | wolfov | I started with Ubuntu ... what a bad start. I switched to Debian and beginning was sooo painful, bad it pays out :) |
| 20:34.42 | valdyn | LiterallyWhy: the package is "network-manager-gnome" |
| 20:35.00 | LiterallyWhy | Which installs a whole bunch of other shit too |
| 20:35.07 | valdyn | LiterallyWhy: like what? |
| 20:35.31 | LiterallyWhy | nm-applet should be installed with networkmanager or be a standalone package like very other distro |
| 20:35.45 | valdyn | LiterallyWhy: you dont know what you are talking about. |
| 20:35.54 | valdyn | LiterallyWhy: so what is installed with it, that you dont really want? |
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| 20:36.41 | valdyn | LiterallyWhy: i cant see anything there that does not make sense. |
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| 20:37.28 | LiterallyWhy | https://packages.debian.org/sid/network-manager-gnome |
| 20:37.39 | LiterallyWhy | It has a lot of gnome deps |
| 20:37.49 | LiterallyWhy | plus the name is very annoying |
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| 20:37.53 | valdyn | LiterallyWhy: like *what* = |
| 20:37.56 | valdyn | LiterallyWhy: like *what* ? |
| 20:38.15 | LiterallyWhy | First time I tried installing it took a while to figure out what it was called |
| 20:38.29 | LiterallyWhy | dconf |
| 20:38.34 | LiterallyWhy | gconf |
| 20:38.38 | LiterallyWhy | the gnome icons |
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| 20:38.45 | valdyn | LiterallyWhy: you know it doesnt work without things? |
| 20:38.49 | valdyn | LiterallyWhy: you know it doesnt work without those things? |
| 20:39.02 | LiterallyWhy | The only real deps are networkmanager |
| 20:39.09 | LiterallyWhy | like every other distro, again |
| 20:39.13 | valdyn | LiterallyWhy: how would you know? |
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| 20:39.45 | LiterallyWhy | I use other distros..? |
| 20:40.03 | valdyn | LiterallyWhy: like what? |
| 20:40.14 | valdyn | LiterallyWhy: most distros do not make this "bloat" optional |
| 20:40.15 | Filystyn | accualy why some things are not documented ? |
| 20:40.20 | LiterallyWhy | Fedora packages it with networkmanager |
| 20:40.28 | LiterallyWhy | as it should be |
| 20:40.28 | valdyn | Filystyn: like what? |
| 20:40.39 | valdyn | LiterallyWhy: and all the other stuff is *Already* installed |
| 20:40.47 | valdyn | LiterallyWhy: you dont get to select it |
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| 20:41.15 | LiterallyWhy | It isnt |
| 20:41.15 | Filystyn | #define SO_NOFCS43 <--- i searched for it some time no trace tho it is in my socket.h |
| 20:41.19 | LiterallyWhy | I use netinstalls |
| 20:41.34 | Filystyn | i can use it with getsockopt |
| 20:41.40 | Filystyn | so why not tell me what it is? |
| 20:41.47 | Filystyn | wy hide this ? |
| 20:41.48 | LiterallyWhy | https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/network-manager-applet/bugs |
| 20:41.49 | Filystyn | why |
| 20:41.53 | valdyn | Filystyn: its not hidden |
| 20:41.54 | greycat | Filystyn: You would have to ask the kernel developers. |
| 20:41.59 | LiterallyWhy | On fedora its a standalone package |
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| 20:42.06 | Filystyn | how do i ask kernel developers? |
| 20:42.19 | greycat | Most likely by writing an email to a relevant mailing list. |
| 20:42.38 | Filystyn | ok where should i look for email -> goodle -> debian ? |
| 20:43.03 | greycat | your search terms should be more like "linux networking" |
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| 20:43.09 | valdyn | Filystyn: why it it interesting that some macro is not documented? |
| 20:43.38 | Filystyn | it's very interesting since it's some data and it's unknown and for sake of knowing i would like to know |
| 20:43.58 | valdyn | Filystyn: obviously anything following some spec is documented in some spec, also obviously, in a world where no one can force documentation to exist, plenty stuff is not documented |
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| 20:45.33 | valdyn | LiterallyWhy: the dependencies you showed exist just the same in fedora, because they *must* exist at the binary level. |
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| 20:46.51 | Filystyn | https://lists.debian.org/ which should i choose? |
| 20:47.12 | valdyn | Filystyn: this is probably not the right place to ask |
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| 20:47.35 | Filystyn | it's debia channel <3 |
| 20:47.52 | greycat | Filystyn: you are asking LINUX questions, not Debian questions. |
| 20:47.53 | valdyn | Filystyn: debian *packages* software, it does not write it. |
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| 20:48.21 | Filystyn | so i have to go and ask on linux this q y?:) |
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| 20:48.56 | valdyn | Filystyn: so unless you figure that debian *forgot* some file in the documentation or somesuch, the right place to ask about documentation is whoever maintains that software upstream |
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| 20:49.20 | Filystyn | ok |
| 20:49.27 | Filystyn | anyway thx guys you helped me much |
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| 20:52.43 | bieyeik2aX | you welcome Filystyn , I love you |
| 20:52.50 | Slumlord_ | lol |
| 20:53.09 | bieyeik2aX | <3 <3 <3 Slumlord_ <3 <3 <3 |
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| 21:09.22 | Azrael_- | courier is great, just copying an email into the email folder worked just fine |
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| 21:26.38 | acz32 | what's with the channel limits? |
| 21:27.48 | denisbr | Anybody is using the Debian with kde ? |
| 21:27.56 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 21:27.57 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 21:30.45 | srg | acz32: what abou them? |
| 21:31.11 | srg | afaik, a bot sets +l (chan limit) to be a certain value above the current number of users. this is to prevent a join flood by bots or anything like that. |
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| 21:37.39 | acz32 | srg, oh, that explains it |
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| 22:21.51 | Abbott | does the current debian use upstart or system-v init |
| 22:22.04 | Abbott | sorry, by current I mean jessie |
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| 22:24.00 | jelly | Abbott: systemd is default |
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| 22:26.47 | Abbott | the plex package won't work now with a recent upgrade I did. I read here: https://forums.plex.tv/index.php/topic/51427-plex-media-server-for-debian/ that the reason for the different packages is because the ubuntu package (natively supported by plex) uses upstart and Debian does not. The person that keeps up the Debian repository only dist version for squeeze and wheezy. What would you suggest |
| 22:26.47 | Abbott | I do to get this working again? |
| 22:27.46 | jelly | write a working init script or systemd service unit definition for that third party software |
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| 22:27.52 | ZenWalke1 | hi |
| 22:28.13 | ZenWalke1 | packages.qa.debian.org dont works, what is the alternative? |
| 22:28.42 | jelly | ZenWalke1: tracker.debian.org |
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| 22:29.54 | ZenWalke1 | jelly: ok, thanks :) |
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| 22:32.40 | WangDang_ | tests his connection |
| 22:32.49 | kingsley_ | Is there a virtual machine utility that accepts the name of a directory containing bootable iso images, and gives you a user friendly menu that lets you pick one to boot, and automatically passes reasonable options to qemu? |
| 22:33.27 | jd1 | try #qemu? |
| 22:34.36 | kingsley_ | jd1: I like your suggestion, and followed it. Thanks. |
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| 22:37.38 | WangDang_ | I bought an embedded device with Wheezy installed on it already. Can I just upgrade it in place to jessie, or do I have to create a jessie image and flash it to the device? |
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| 22:40.11 | jd1 | probably |
| 22:40.15 | jd1 | just update |
| 22:41.09 | kingsley_ | WangDang_: It seems to me that upgrades are usually done in place, and after backing up. But, I noticed you mentioned an "embedded device", which makes me less confident that jessie will be compatible with it, so I humbly remind you of my equally humble suggestion to back up. It might be a good idea to first search Google's indices for info on whether the embedded device and jessie are compatible. |
| 22:41.12 | WangDang_ | probably just upgrade in place you mean? |
| 22:42.37 | WangDang_ | kingsley_: good advice, thanks |
| 22:42.56 | kingsley_ | WangDang_: You're welcome. |
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| 22:44.42 | kingsley_ | WangDang_: If you feel really grateful, maybe you can suggest how my cool western nick, "kingsley", might be transmogrified into an equally cool and eastern nick like "WangDang". |
| 22:45.13 | jd1 | if you do a new install over a current install, does it grab the .config for the current install (eg, oldconfig)? I would imagine thats where the biggest breaker would be - as in whats compiled into the kernel to support the embedded device |
| 22:46.05 | jd1 | anyways... hour 6 of debian netinst on this virtualization platform :/ |
| 22:46.10 | jd1 | not gonna happen before I go home |
| 22:47.01 | jd1 | was hoping to kick off a kernel compile |
| 22:47.23 | WangDang_ | kingsley_: "transmogrified", lol! That was a funny movie. Give me some time to put thought into the transmogrification of your name :) |
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| 22:49.50 | kingsley_ | WangDang_: I'm thinking of something like ... bling king of peking |
| 22:50.20 | WangDang_ | haha! |
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