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00:00.10Tauthat is what i get.
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00:00.44acz32it's wireless you want to get working, right?
00:00.50Tauyes.
00:00.51acz32and it's internet wifi adapter, not external
00:00.55acz32internal*
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00:01.01Tauit is an internal adapter.
00:01.20acz32you installed firmware-realtek?
00:01.24Taui did.
00:01.59Taui need it working for my job tomorrow.
00:02.02acz32strange
00:02.11Tauyes.
00:02.12t4nk942hey acz32, everything's back fine. chsh -s $(which zsh) while su did it. I mixed sh and bash, which YOU helped me find
00:02.16Taui'm afraid.
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00:02.56lefedySorry.... just logged on. What is the adapter you are trying to get working?
00:02.57t4nk942(sorry error zsh -> bash)
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00:03.34lefedyIt's not a builtin nic?
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00:05.12acz32Tau: did you check whether it's supported? https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi#PCI_Devices
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00:06.45Taui think it is.
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00:07.21Tauthe lan bot in bios is disabled.
00:07.24Taushould i enable it?
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00:32.32lefedyhello again
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00:33.08maazuhi
00:33.13lefedyI'm having trouble with bluetooth on 7.8... can anyone help?
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00:33.45lefedyMy graphics driver wasn't working so I'm using a backports kernel.... but now my bluetooth wont work
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00:34.31maazui'm using Fedora 20 kernel-3.18.9 and bluetooth did not work
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00:34.58maazumaybe i dont have a recognized hardware, so bluez did not find any bluetooth enabled hardware
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00:35.17lefedyI'm on 3.16.0
00:35.21lefedydebian
00:35.56lefedyLooking through dmesg, I saw that mine recognized the hardware... but the firmware isn't loading
00:35.58maazuhrm... bluetooth is not working then
00:36.15lefedyYou wouldn't be using a toshiba by any chance?
00:36.30maazulefedy: the lsusb does show up but bluetooth don't recognize it
00:36.42maazulefedy: HP notebook
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00:37.57lefedyWhat BT adapter do you have builtin?
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00:38.18lefedy....mine is trying to use ath3k
00:38.45maazubluetooth FCC ID VQF-RT3290
00:39.08maazuHP Pavilion 15
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00:39.31lefedyok... not even sure if we have anything close. :-) still.. we both have no working bluetooth.
00:39.58maazuagree
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00:40.58lefedyI have a kind of new computer and have had nightmares getting debian running on it. It's been like what it was 10 years ago, trying to get a computer setup with LInux.
00:41.17lefedyOne thign after another...
00:41.27maazuwhen i do lspci: 08:00.1 Bluetooth: Ralink corp. RT3290 Bluetooth
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00:42.39maazulsmod shows bnep bluetooth mods loaded
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00:43.30maazudmesg|grep -i bluetooth
00:43.51maazudoes show BNEP sockets initialized
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00:44.41maazugotta go
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00:44.58lefedyok... hope you get things going
00:45.32lefedyBNEP here too
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00:50.12lefedyAnyone out there have trouble getting ath3k to work?
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00:53.52pere_hi
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00:54.58lefedyHi. For how many people are in here, its hard to get help.
00:55.16srglefedy: It's a bad time at night
00:55.21srgtimezones and such
00:55.25pere_I dunno why my alpha networks 1000mw goes so slow in Debian Wheezy. My kernel is 3.2.0-4-amd64. Anyone has have this problem too? Thank you
00:55.27lefedyAh, ic
00:56.01lefedyI think I'm going to give up and just install windows ME
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00:57.01lefedyWell, I think instead of messing with backports, I should just install testing.
00:57.21lefedyAny input?
00:57.21srgI run testing on my laptop
00:57.25srgand a VPS
00:57.28lefedyIs it pretty stable?
00:57.45srgI prefer testing over stable. The only downside is that testing does not get security updates like stable does
00:57.53srgyeah, I've never really had problems with it
00:57.56lefedyI'm not too concerned with security.
00:58.09srgI check/install updates usually daily
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00:58.22lefedyI tried Ubuntu for a while and that was worse that Debian testing :-)
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00:58.46srgRight now, testing is in a weird state because they're getting ready to release Jessie, but it usually is quick to be updated
00:58.52srgI'm also not a fan of Ubuntu, heh
00:58.58polyphagiaubuntu is based on sid with some QA testing but i think that's just a folk tale
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00:59.59lefedyI wasn't a fan either. I liked the fact that drivers pretty much worked but so much of the rest of the system was glitchy. I use my laptop for freelance work. I can't be messing around with things like that.
01:00.41lefedypolyphagia: Linux folk lore is the best.
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01:02.19lefedySad to say. It was easier to install linux on my mac than this Toshiba.
01:05.10lefedyoff to install testing
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01:50.35pvl1hey all, im sitting with a raspberrypi for which we got a touchscreen tft display. I cannot figure out what is starting lxde. i think its consolekit, but how do i change what it loads
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02:00.27jpinxin stable is there a way to hibernate to a file and keep the file after resuming, and make that the default resume image in the event of hardware crash/accidental power-off, until hibernate writes a new image?
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02:07.56un214have several hundred, should be 2
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03:07.50RLahow to install kde in debian jessie, there is no kde-core package anymore?
03:08.24dvs,v kde-core
03:08.26juddPackage: kde-core on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66
03:08.32dvsguess not
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03:09.45pirithousis there a way to generate a new crontab file which contains the examples? mine is completely blank
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03:16.01un214RLa: apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop
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03:20.08themill!install kde
03:20.08dpkgThe 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4.  To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install".
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03:21.29pirithouswhat is Debian 7.8 using for the init system?
03:22.59themillpirithous: you can use sysvinit or systemd (from wheezy-backports)
03:23.15pirithousthemill: but what is installed by default?
03:23.52themillsysvinit -- but do remember that defaults only matter if you don't change them and if you don't go the effort of changing them they clearly don't matter to you...
03:24.29pirithousthanks but stupid analogy
03:25.06pirithousobviously if they didn't matter I wouldn't be asking
03:25.09themillNot at all. Just because gnome is the default desktop on debian doesn't make debian a gnome distribution
03:25.21themillThe default is irrelevant.
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04:09.09kingsley_AlexLikeRock: bashposer
04:09.19AlexLikeRocktks
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04:41.42AaruniI'm having troubles with x forwarding over ssh. "aaruni@VyomDroplet:~$ iceweasel
04:41.42AaruniError: no display specified". When I do "aaruni@VyomDroplet:~$ export DISPLAY=aaruni.x64.me:0.0" and try to run iceweasel again, it seems to run, but I see no display.
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04:48.09shay_shaypirithous: thats not a stupid analogy, debian does not force users into certain paths that is a paradigm you may be used to from other distros where only those predetermined paths are tested but debian in my experience is more choose-your-own-adventure
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04:49.35shay_shayI'm late, I know
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05:06.30pirithousshay_shay: yes it is
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05:37.03mak_hello i need help
05:37.16Guest53302W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.debian.org wheezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org>
05:37.22Guest53302how to solve this error
05:37.30Guest53302please help me
05:37.41mjkrand is there a file on a debian system that records the <archname> of the system?
05:39.23Guest53302hello
05:39.27Guest53302please help me
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05:47.00Shadow_7mjkr: lsb_release -a
05:47.23mjkri don't have lsb_release here...
05:47.26Shadow_7mjkr: but not really a file per say.  /etc/issue and others if default motd / message of the day hasn't been changed.
05:47.40Shadow_7mjkr: uname -a
05:47.58mjkrShadow_7: Linux ubnt 3.10.20-UBNT #1 SMP Thu Oct 16 16:29:39 PDT 2014 mips64 GNU/Linux
05:48.07mjkrit says mips64 not sure if it's mips or mipsel
05:48.15Shadow_7not really definitive, but details to help hint in on things.
05:48.39Shadow_7ubnt would imply ubuntu?
05:49.24Shadow_7mjkr: cat /proc/cpuinfo
05:49.35Shadow_7might help clue in on arch
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05:49.52Shadow_7otherwise file on some bins or libs might clue in
05:50.03mjkruhm, i actually found this dpkg --print-architecture
05:50.08mjkrturns out to be mips
05:50.20mjkrthey should really merge mips/mipsel
05:50.54Shadow_7I wonder if that warrior cpu thing was just vaporware from the new owners of mips
05:51.43Shadow_7I was kind of hoping for a pi like mips device.  But I've heard of other quirks with older gcc versions to even compile mips.
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05:52.38masterno clue
05:52.45masterlinux makes sense to me
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05:53.09masteri can navigate almost every major distro with ease for accomplishing almost anything i'd need to do in an enterprise environment
05:53.17masterhave been that way for many years
05:53.19masterthen the other day
05:53.27masteri download debian.  and that stopped being the case.
05:53.28Shadow_74.2 or some such?  might just be a bsd thing.  I like the prospect of the same os from the same sources on "ALL" my devices.
05:53.44masteri cant tell if everything is backwards or if im just having a massive, 2 week long brainfart
05:54.30Shadow_7I find debian easy, but kind of vested in apt and dpkg experience wise.  I find any non .deb based distro difficult.
05:55.02Shadow_7apt-file apt-cache and other things just make it easy to find things by package or file name when I need to.
05:55.04masteri find it ridiculously and unnecessarily complicated
05:55.40masterwith a very simple result, notably
05:55.43Shadow_7I like the --real-words of the syntax tbh.  Or at least the modernization of old things that way.
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05:56.29Shadow_7things like pacman where you have to remember characters and the CaSe of them is lame IMO.
05:57.25masteragreed
05:57.32masterthat should never have happened
05:57.41masterbut moving from centos has been really eyeopening
05:58.07Shadow_7but I don't do much server stuff and my hardware tends to be old, so debian is a good fit.
05:58.26masteri am not thoroughly disappointed
05:58.29masterim just
05:58.43mastertheres a lot of complexity to read through
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05:58.48Shadow_7plus the default configs seem a little saner to me
05:58.51masterthat just isn't there usually
05:58.56masterthey are
05:59.14masteri also really like the community feedback mechanisms built in
05:59.24mastertheyre doing some things right
05:59.48masterbut 12 tools to manage packages goes against everything someone trained on just about any other distro knows
05:59.50Shadow_7and making your own .debs for things you install yourself is nice and simple (for me).
06:00.10masterIt needs one tool.
06:00.13Shadow_7it's just nice to know that when I remove said package, ALL the files can be removed.
06:00.33masteri thought the config files stay if you remove
06:00.41mastertheres another command to use for all files
06:00.49Shadow_7master: by default... but you can --purge to remove them.
06:00.53masteryep
06:01.25masterso maybe you can give me a nudge in the right direction
06:01.29Shadow_7and I can dpkg --purge things if I intend to re-install and don't want to remove any dependencies.
06:01.33masteri need a version of xrdp with XKB support
06:01.47masterthe one in debian wheezy stable doesn't have that compile option
06:01.50Shadow_7master: you can apt-get source and compile.
06:02.27Shadow_7which will have the debian/rules stuff so you can package it too.
06:02.44masteris there a simple howto thats current you can link me to on that?
06:03.30Shadow_7i don't know about links... but ./cofigure && fakeroot debian/rules binary ... or similar syntax.
06:03.58Shadow_7assumes build-essentials devscripts and other things are installed
06:04.26Shadow_7kernel-package and make-kpkg if you do a kernel.
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06:04.48Shadow_7it's pretty cut and paste-able from most google hits.
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06:06.10Shadow_7or google on debian mentor or debian maintainer if you want the more long winded descriptions.
06:06.39mastermeh. ill have to wait until im further along in the debian documentation
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06:08.18Shadow_7you could always just compile it and change the link /etc/alternative/... to use your version.
06:08.28Shadow_7in whatever location you compiled it in
06:08.47Shadow_7subject to breakage with updates, but functional.
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08:36.58Qantouriscmemtester run in user-space while kernel is running
08:37.04Qantouriscbut can only test part of your memory
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08:55.52dvdaCan someone answer me how I can install an amd64 debian on an uefi machine using the non uefi grub? I keep having problems with uefi.... I have the legacy bios mode on my computer, too.  Why can I not just simply choose to not use uefi?
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08:56.21darxmurfdvda: are you booting with a CD or USB ?
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08:57.05darxmurfin your boot menu, you have 2 entries ? UEFI USB Drive and LEGACY USB Drive ?
08:57.14darxmurfor you can disable UEFI in your BIOS I think
08:57.29dvdaI turn off uefi to boot up,  anyway.  I already installed the system three times seeing what it would do ...
08:57.46darxmurfbut what's the issue with UEFI ?
08:58.03dvdaWell,  I run legacy bios to boot up the USB stick but the installer still seems to be for uefi
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08:58.34darxmurfit should not
08:58.35duckeythanks
08:59.09dvdaFirst,  uefi kept giving me the recovery screen.  When trying to set it up,  it told me vmlinuz had an invalid signature
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09:00.31darxmurfif you disable UEFI in your BIOS and boot in legacy mode, it should be fine during installation and all. Then use MBR instead of GPT for your disk partition table
09:00.31dvdaAfter now formatting everything and reinstalling, uefi doesn't recognize any bootable devices. Legacy bios does but can't since the installer will only install the uefi version
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09:00.45darxmurfUEFI needs GPT
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09:01.11dvdaWell,  if I try to boot the USB stick with uefi on,  my computer won't let it.
09:02.01darxmurfsome USB keys are a pain with UEFI
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09:02.06dvdaWell,  I don't find an option for it to make an MBR
09:02.07darxmurflast time I had to use a CD :-/
09:02.40dvdaI burned it on a CD first,  but neither uefi mode nor legacy bios mode would let it boot up.
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09:03.49owhDebian Wheezy LibreOffice started popping up menus away from the mouse, on a different monitor. Yesterday it decided to no-longer show them at all. I've purged LibreOffice and reinstalled, not a fun experience, and it's still happening. When I turn all monitors off except one, all goes back to normal. Ideas?
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09:04.36dvdaOh.  It does boot up now. But again,  I booted up with legacy bios and it says "UEFI installer"  in the corner
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09:05.49dvdaHmm,  did you also install the libreoffice configuration folder in your home directory, owh?
09:05.53darxmurfdvda: do yo have an embedded CD-DVD drive in your laptop or are you using an external ?
09:05.55dvdaRemove*
09:06.05dvdaInternal
09:06.57darxmurfand in you BIOS you disabled UEFI boot ? and did set LEGACY as primary boot mode ?
09:07.09dvdaI did
09:07.24darxmurfand how did you create your USB boot key ?
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09:07.51owhdvda: If I rename ~/.config/libreoffice to .config/libreoffice.off it creates a new one but fails to launch. Launch from the commandline shows nothing. If I rename ~/.openoffice/3 to ~/.openoffice/off, there is no change and no new profile is created.
09:07.59dvdaI should note that I'm installing Jessie,  the ~200 MB Internet installer image
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09:09.13owhdvda: This seems to be a window manager issue. I recently lost a monitor, so I'm one down. It's possible the the window manager and LibreOffice are not playing nice. Stuffed if I can figure out how.
09:09.58dvdaHmm,  yeah.  I see. But I doubt libreoffice would use OpenOffice files. But you could try another window manager and see if that helps.
09:10.35owhdvda: Hrm. That's not a fun idea. Is there a store that Gnome uses to remember window positions?
09:11.15dvdaWould certainly show whether it's the window manager's fault or not,  though. That'd be a start.
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09:11.58owhIf I turn off all but one monitor, all goes back to normal. I wasn't aware that LO was aware of monitors.
09:12.28dvdaDarxmurf : I just used dd to copy the image onto the USB stick,  but it's not the USB sticks fault.  The CD does the same thing.
09:14.14darxmurfit's weird
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09:14.33darxmurfif you disable all those UEFI stuff, it should go for legacy and that's it
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09:15.06darxmurfbut else, when you install it with UEFI, I think you have to create a UEFI BOOT partition, something like 50mb in the begining of your disk
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09:15.23dvdaI remember having installed suse on a uefi machine once and it at least gave me the option whether I wanted to install the uefi grub or not.
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09:16.17owhdarxmurf: I've seen several devices that you cannot coerce into doing anything than boot off the internal drive, even with all the legacy stuff turned on, it simply won't play. dvda, what hardware is this?
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09:16.49dvdaYeah,  I have.  I let it manage my partitions automatically, guessing it would set everything up the right way with grub  and everything.  The partition exists.  Uefi won't recognize the hard disk anymore.
09:16.58dvdaBios will. Why? No idea.
09:17.34darxmurfwhich laptop is it ?
09:17.38dvdaIt's an acer laptop. Like one year old.
09:17.48darxmurfBIOS update avilable ?
09:18.21darxmurfand by the way did you try with wheezy or testing ?
09:18.24dvdaHad other distributions on it,  but they would set up uefi alright.
09:18.51dvdaAs I said,  it's a network installer for Jessie (I.  E.  testing)
09:18.54owhdvda: Can you use an old installer to set-up the drive and the new installer to install the OS.
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09:19.23owhdvda: That way you can lodge a bug report ;-)
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09:20.31dvdaCould try out a wheezy installer some time and see if it'll do any good.  If needed,  I can change the sources.list into getting the Jessie packages
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09:21.23dvdaYeah,  well,  I can't do much right now.  Got no other computer I could burn stuff on for now, sadly
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09:22.12darxmurfIs there an option in samba server to set a timeout on inactives connexions ?
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09:22.15owhdvda: You could boot from your Jessie installer, go to a command-line, wget an image, burn it to a USB key, etc...
09:23.26dvdaIt's a network installer.  Only got like a busybox
09:23.31dvdaOh,  it has when
09:23.38dvdaWget and dd*
09:23.45owh:-)
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09:28.23bddyHi. I need to create a rootfs to be used with chroot. And into that rootfs I need to install packages from different repositories. Is it posible to do with debootstrap?
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09:34.54z8zany of you knows some micro pendrive compatible with debian free OS drivers?
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09:35.53mjtmicro pendrive?  What do you mean?
09:36.23zxcvbnbddy: yes. but be sure that rootfs is mounted without "nodev, noexec, nosuid"
09:36.45z8zhttp://www.ebay.it/itm/Corriere-48h-Chiavetta-Pendrive-MINI-Micro-SanDisk-Ultra-Fit-3-0-16GB-REGALO-/221714315580?pt=Memorie_USB_e_Pen_Drive&hash=item339f33f93c
09:36.50z8zsomething like this shape
09:37.05zxcvbnyou can debootstrap minimal system, then chroot, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and install packages
09:37.20z8zbut wireless pen
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09:38.15z8zmjt: many out there but failed to find a single one working with debian free OS drivers
09:38.36mjtz8z: that one works just fine on debian, and I bet any usb storage device will.  I use several of them here.
09:38.59mjtit works with standard usb-storage driver
09:39.06z8zmjt: no that was just example of the shape.... i need wireless pen with that shape
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09:39.19mjtah, wireless.
09:39.32z8zmjt: i can't find anything small like that
09:39.57watmmVarnish is being super confusing. I'm using  set req.http.grace = "full" but for some reason only the ttl from s-maxage is being used. Even when i explicitly set grace to 24h. Any ideas?
09:39.58mjt(wireless of that shape are usually quite bad because of the tiny size of antenna, but that's another thing)
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09:40.39z8zmjt: i know but the distance with router is really short and already have for windows and working ok
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09:57.14KiryxHello
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09:57.36KiryxI have been running Debian 7 (stable) almost since the release
09:58.07KiryxI need to update some packages to newer versions, for that I would like to switch to debian testing repo
09:58.31KiryxIs it very likely that my system will break after all this time ?
09:59.03Kiryxe.g. I have probably installed a lot of packages and dependencies over the last few years
09:59.03nkuttlerKiryx: not very likely, but quite possible
09:59.21nkuttlerKiryx: which packages do you need to upgrade? there might be backports for them
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10:00.06Kiryxmainly steam
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10:01.07Kiryxi dont think it was backported
10:01.29nkuttlerKiryx: oh, if it's a private computer i'd just upgrade it to testing. assuming you can afford a day of downtime in the worst case
10:01.40nkuttlermake sure to read the release notes
10:02.02Kiryxdo people run testing on private computers ?
10:02.14nkuttleri surely do
10:02.18KiryxI see
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10:02.23nkuttlerand only stable in production.
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10:03.04Kiryxcan I assure that this process is somehow reversible ?
10:03.26Kiryxe.g. downtime for me will probably mean reinstalling the os... -.-
10:03.56KiryxI don't even have other computer or OS which I could boot into to check for solution
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10:07.41jellyKiryx: it's not reversible at all.
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10:11.26darxmurfIs there an option in samba server to set a timeout/kill on inactives connexions ?
10:11.35z8zKiryx: i bet new debian 8 will be out soon ... by now should be mature enought https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/8d3a6bf73ab7e1a86e4ce117d93a536d.png
10:15.13kaddy_darxmurf:  the option is in smb.conf
10:15.32kaddy_darxmurf: under "deadtime" I believe
10:16.47kaddy_https://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/manpages-3/smb.conf.5.html
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10:18.13darxmurfsweet !
10:18.14darxmurfthanks !
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10:20.08QantouriscHow well does debian support custom kernel and initramfs ?
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10:23.34celexifine for most part, but i would guess gentoo is better for that
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10:24.09Qantourisccelexi: wel yes, i like gentoo, however, the package db has been having too many issues in the last years
10:24.40Qantouriscas in tons of conflicts, so i'm looking at arch/gentoo/debian/exherbo
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10:25.25MaxFrameshello
10:25.43MaxFramesI need to double check an rc.local scriptlet which does not work as expected
10:25.45Qantourisccelexi: also, where can i find lvm-static in debian ?
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10:26.01MaxFramesI need to grep a file and IF the text is found THEN send a mail
10:26.05FransUrboAny of the partman-base devels online?
10:26.11MaxFramesI'll pastebin it as it is
10:26.39QantouriscMaxFrames: i'd use crontab for that, unless you want it on boot only
10:26.49MaxFramesboot only
10:26.52MaxFrameslet me pastebin it
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10:27.24Qantouriscthen roughly: grep file if $? ; send mail (fergot what tool to use to send mail)
10:27.57MaxFrameshttp://pastebin.com/n4CidQmB
10:28.18MaxFrameswhat happens is that the email is sent even if the file does not contain a "0"
10:28.28QantouriscMaxFrames: ofcours
10:28.31MaxFrames(the file consists of a single byte, either 1 or 0)
10:28.57QantouriscMaxFrames: your far better off usig the return codes imo
10:28.59MaxFramesnot sure about the ; after the path and why it was put there
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10:29.15MaxFramesis it correct to have the ; before the "then"?
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10:29.19Qantouriscman grep -> EXIT STATUS
10:29.25QantouriscNormally  the  exit  status  is  0  if  a line is selected, 1 if no lines were selected, and 2 if an error occurred.
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10:29.39darxmurf<PROTECTED>
10:29.51fraffMaxFrames: pretty sure you have to echo something | mail -s or the mail won't be sent
10:30.00darxmurfbut I would use : echo "blah" | mail -s "subject" address@blah.com
10:30.00MaxFramesyes sorry
10:30.10MaxFramesI omitted it
10:30.24MaxFramesit is indeed like darxmurf wrote
10:30.46MaxFramesthe problem is, the mail is sent even if the file does not contain a "0"
10:30.53FransUrboHow do I get an invite to #debian-devel?
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10:31.08MaxFramesso basically I get the email at every reboot, which is not expected
10:31.26QantouriscMaxFrames: again, i recommend to use the return codes of grep, not the stdout
10:32.02Qantouriscthis will also allow to detect errors
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10:32.06Qantourisclike file not found
10:32.07fraffQantourisc: that is what he does
10:32.19MaxFramescan you pastebin a revised code?
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10:33.53Qantouriscfraff: my bad :/
10:34.02Qantouriscfraff: i don't do bash a lot :)
10:34.30MaxFramesit's /bin/sh/ does it matter?
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10:34.45QantouriscMaxFrames: at this point i recommend running the script now, and see if it works now
10:34.54QantouriscMaxFrames: not sure, doubt it
10:35.23MaxFramesnothing has changed in the script, why should it behave any different?
10:35.29MaxFramesit will send the email...
10:35.38Qantourisceven if the file contains a 0 ?
10:35.53MaxFramesif it contains a 0 it is supposed to send the email
10:35.54fraffMaxFrames: if a mail is sent each reboot, maybe your file contains a 0 on each reboot
10:36.08MaxFramesno, I've checked... the file currently contains a 1
10:36.15QantouriscMaxFrames: try running grep -q '0' /home/myuser/somepath/somefile.txt; echo $? now,
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10:38.36MaxFramesok the file now contains a 1
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10:39.00MaxFramesso the result of the above command is 1
10:39.09Qantouriscow wait
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10:39.15Qantouriscsend mail if file == 0 ?
10:39.29MaxFramesit's correct.... 1 means "no matches" doesn't it?
10:39.45Qantouriscif grep returns $?==0 => match found
10:39.57Qantouriscif it returns 1 => no match foind
10:39.57MaxFramesyes. it's returning correct results
10:39.59Qantourisc2 => Error
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10:40.16Qantouriscso if you want to send a mail when it's 0
10:40.30MaxFramesfile contains a "1"; if I grep "1" I get "0" (match found); if I grep "0" I get "1" (no match found)
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10:40.55MaxFramesI want to send a mail when grep 0 returns 0 (match found, the file contains a 0)
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10:43.49QantouriscMaxFrames:  then you want to invert the grep
10:44.02QantouriscMaxFrames: right now it sends mail when it doesn't contain 0
10:44.17Qantourisc(if i got that rightà
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10:46.12MaxFramesI'll try, thx
10:46.27QantouriscMaxFrames: just run the code in your head
10:46.37Qantouriscand look at EXIT CODES in the manpage of grep
10:46.42Qantouriscalso do some tests :p
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10:48.48darxmurfno
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10:48.55darxmurfit's fine
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10:49.31darxmurfif grep -q '0' file1; then echo "I mail";fi
10:49.35darxmurfjust try like this
10:50.34Qantouriscdarxmurf: omg, i must be suffering brain damage
10:50.41darxmurfso, this is fine too : if grep -q '0' file1; then echo "blah" | mail -s "match found" address@mail.com ;fi
10:51.11darxmurfit's not about the return code
10:51.31darxmurf<PROTECTED>
10:51.33Qantouriscyea swapped 0 and 1 somehow, sorry
10:51.41darxmurfas grep returns OK, it will enter the if
10:52.14darxmurflunch time here, see you later
10:52.34Qantouriscbon apetit :)
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10:59.12QantouriscAnyone using debian + lvm can check if /sbin/lvm is statically linked or dynamically linked for me ?
11:00.00Qantouriscfile /sbin/lvm would say
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11:00.44petn-randallQantourisc: It's dynamically linked. Why do you ask?
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11:01.02Qantouriscpetn-randall: custom initramfs, its a lot easier with statically linked bins
11:02.08petn-randallQantourisc: The default initramfs covers LVM properly, just take a look how it's done there.
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11:05.57Qantourischmm i could actually just install it, doesn't have grub anyway
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11:10.33mjkrwhat is the corrected version of this line "debootstrap --arch i386 wheezy /srv/chroot/wheezy http://http.debian.net/debian" in https://wiki.debian.org/chroot ?
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11:10.46mjkrit turns out http://http.debian.net/debian doesn't exist
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11:20.29jaggz-how do I go about adding something to the system so I can telnet to a port and trigger a binary?
11:21.06jaggz-like if I wanted telnet ip 2626  to run "echo go away"
11:21.44jaggz-I used to make a script and add it to xinetd.conf.. but now I believe I have to use systemd (but I'm trying to figure out how..)
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11:37.16GPenguinjaggz-: out of curiousity - you want to create a service _like_ telnet that listens on a custom port and executes a command as soon as somebody connects. OR: you want to connect _with_ telnet to your telnet daemon and execute a command as soon as you connect?
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11:39.44jaggz-GPenguin: want to connect with telnet (or netcat or something)..
11:39.58jaggz-the service itself shouldn't care about ports.. it'll be a script which runs mpg123
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11:40.19blackflowHello. I've set up chrooted SFTP access pretty much like described in the debian-administration.org article, and it works fine. But I can't get SFTP commands to log, despite the -l INFO or -l VERBOSE args to internal-sftp.
11:40.28jaggz-telnet alarmhost someport; should trigger it to sound the alarm
11:40.31GPenguinwhat do you mean by "should not care about ports"?
11:40.42GPenguinah
11:40.53jaggz-meaning, as simple as possible.. like "echo hi" doesn't "care about ports"..
11:41.13jaggz-no sockets or port handling in the script itself :)
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11:46.24blackflowAny ideas why sshd setting "Subsystem sftp internal-sftp -l VERBOSE" does not result with verbose (sftp command) logging?
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11:47.49GPenguinjaggz-: i would (only if i have to avoid ssh) setup the telnet daemon to listen on 2626 and add a user to the system with "/path/script" instead of "/bin/bash" as command shell and see
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11:48.55GPenguinbut you'd need to ensure that the user is locked in /path/script
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11:50.16Tenkawachroot them
11:51.48xrealWhy does anyone tell me to use "UUIDs" for fstab? That's no good at all. When reformatting the disk and playback a backup via rsync, anything will break. Why not use "LABEL" ?
11:51.50TenkawaGPenguin: would you agree>
11:51.58xrealI've read, FSTAB also supports "LABEL="
11:53.30Tenkawaxreal: a lot of it is preference and tool/app compatibility
11:53.36GPenguinTenkawa: yes :)
11:53.42TenkawaI still use traditional full device names
11:53.58xrealTenkawa: you mean the full HDD name?
11:54.18xrealTenkawa: that's the same problem: when changing the disk, it'll break.
11:54.24TenkawaGPenguin: yeah figured if they created a chroot that would save them some confusion if something changes too
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11:54.40Tenkawaxreal: changing or adding/removing>
11:54.42Tenkawaer?
11:55.05Tenkawathe device node will still be the same as long as you replace it in the same spot
11:55.17Tenkawayou can use udev to force the behaviour too
11:55.46xrealplaying around with udev is harder than just labeling /dev/sda2 as "root" :D
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11:56.00Tenkawanot for me it hasnt been
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12:12.08xrealI want to create my own boot entry for GRUB. Where's the right place for it in order *not* to get into problems with Debian's grub-scripts?
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12:12.39xrealIs it /etc/grub.d/40_custom ?
12:12.45GPenguinyes
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12:13.28xrealGPenguin: But this will be at the end of the generated "grub.conf" won't it?
12:13.47xrealGPenguin: I want my new menuitem to be default/at the beginning.
12:14.03xrealAh, there's GRUB_DEFAULT=
12:14.10GPenguinnods
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12:27.26xrealAnyone with an idea, how I can check if a UUID, disk or label exists when using grub? #grub is pretty dead: search --no-floppy --label --set=root avvroot
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12:31.31xrealgrub has a very bad documentation from my POV
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12:32.07abrotmanthe blkid command doesn't help?
12:32.09Shadow_7xreal: blkid /dev/...
12:32.43xrealabrotman & Shadow_7: Uh? I want to let grub check, if one HDD exists (by label) if not, it should boot the other one.
12:32.46Shadow_7if you use UUID in the /etc/fstab, I believe grub pulls it's information from there when update-grub runs.
12:32.49upsdoksearch [--file|--label|--fs-uuid] https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/search.html
12:32.50xrealSo blkid is wrong here :)
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12:33.06xreal#debian is wrong, I know. but #grub is dead.
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12:33.16abrotmanwaits for xreal to ask the question he actually wants to know
12:33.55xrealabrotman: I've posted it already: "Anyone with an idea, how I can check if a UUID, disk or label exists when using grub?"
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12:34.07xrealI mean, "while booting"
12:34.10Shadow_7waits for xreal to rewrite grub into an operating system, instead of just a dumb bootloader.
12:34.30xrealShadow_7: it works 100% ... I did it about 3 years ago.
12:34.37abrotmanxreal: so you'd like grub to magically ignore its configuration and find the UUIDs that you haven't told it about?
12:35.07xrealabrotman: No, I'll give it a label and UUID. grub should try finding the label first, if it doesn't find it, it should take the UUID.
12:35.13Shadow_7xreal: you can press "c" to go into command mode.  and any boot stuff you tab complete wont work for anything that doesn't exist.
12:35.30abrotmanxreal: Right, you want it to know about things you haven't told it about.
12:36.04xrealabrotman: Why? I told it: "search for label or uuid"
12:36.10upsdokyou can --set=myvariable then check with if [ x"$myvariable" = xmyvalue ] ; then ... ; else ... ; fi
12:36.34xrealupsdok: yeah. but what shall I test it agains? Empty, false or zero ?
12:37.00Shadow_7xreal: why tell it to "search"?  It either has it or it doesn't.  If it doesn't something is misconfigured or broken or failing.  All of which needs a human to address the issue.
12:37.15upsdokif [ x"$var" = x ] then echo This is run if $var is empty ; fi
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12:37.48Shadow_7or you should be looking at pxeboot and not grub.
12:37.54upsdokit's roughly like bash, strings are expanded then [ does the comparison
12:38.03xrealupsdok: thanks for help
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12:40.28upsdokxreal, example borrowed from supergrub disk. which contains some interesting undocumented stuff btw
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12:42.47StCyrlooks good 'til now
12:43.11StCyrmaybe I'll have a problem with the trackpad (at least it isn't recognized by the installer)
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12:45.43xrealupsdok: thanks again
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12:52.57Shadow_7xreal: it's not that it doesn't work.  It's what is the use case that needs it?  Plug in play drives in a cluster?  50+ distros on SDHC cards with no labels?
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12:54.14upsdokconvenience - I use the same approach on my home's pc, always boots from HDD but boots a debian install on a personal usb key if inserted
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12:55.34Shadow_7and timeout is always = 0?
12:56.15upsdokyes, why not
12:56.31upsdokthe bios is slow enough to give time to insert the key
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12:58.03moldyhi
12:58.45moldywhat should i do here? http://paste.pound-python.org/show/wAL2uCuBWkgc1Vw81oh7/
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13:01.59Shadow_7seems like you're missing some packages, or otherwise need a multi-arch approach to install that software.
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13:02.54moldyShadow_7: what exactly does multi-arch approach mean here?
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13:03.58Shadow_7moldy: you can have amd64 and i386 (32 bit) on the same install.
13:04.41Shadow_7that 64 bit package needs at least 2 32 bit packages to install it seems.
13:04.56themillThings depending on ia32-libs is a good sign that they need to get with the times
13:05.23Shadow_7it is quite dated, given that 64 bit has been around over a decade.
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13:05.32moldyShadow_7: that's a bit weird, since they explicitly label it "64-Bit without Multiarch". got it from here: http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/linux.aspx
13:05.38moldythemill: i think they are based on wine
13:05.59Shadow_7moldy: it's probably an ubuntu package
13:06.01themillia32-libs hasn't been a sensible dependency for some years now
13:06.19StCyrwell well well grub-install didn't like the previous install it seems :-(
13:06.39moldyShadow_7: it's supposed to work on both ubuntu and debian according to their website
13:06.43Shadow_7moldy: you could ar -x it and install / use it by non-traditional means.
13:06.43themillmoldy: if there is no amd64 version of it, then you're going to need to use equivs to fake the ia32-libs package and then install enough :i386 libraries to stop it complaining
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13:06.56moldythemill: that *is* the amd64 version :)
13:07.05StCyrno in grub's rescue shell, but insmod doesn't work
13:07.11StCyrwhere are all the mod files?
13:07.26moldythanks themill and Shadow_7. i think i will just resort to a windows vm in this case.
13:07.57themillmoldy: the multiarch version is probably better
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13:08.30StCyranyone knows what to do when insmod can't find "normal", or "linux" in grub rescue 'shell ?
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13:08.39themillmoldy: their amd64 package is actually a badly-labeled i386 package which is why it doesn't work
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13:09.23moldythemill: ok. the multiarch version complains about a wrong architecture though. can i turn an existing system into a multiarch one, or would i have to reinstall?
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13:09.36themill!multiarch howto
13:09.36dpkg[multiarch howto] http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO
13:09.42upsdokStCyr, echo $root   to check it has been set correctly
13:10.01moldythemill: thanks
13:10.12themillmoldy: or even just /msg dpkg multiarch
13:10.19StCyrupsdok: "unknown command echo" :-)
13:10.44StCyrbut I did ls my partitions to find these linux and normal files and couldn't find them manually
13:10.55StCyrso it's like they aren't there at all
13:11.07upsdokStCyr, did you mount /boot/grub when re-installing grub?
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13:12.29StCyrupsdok: didn't reinstall it yet. The scenario is "step 1: install wheezy on this hp zbook, step 2: discover that wireless chip isn't supported, step 3: install jessie over wheezy, step 4: can't reboot"
13:13.22upsdok1. did you consider to use a backported kernel, 2. do reintall grub now
13:13.38StCyrI'm now looking of a jessie live cd (should someone be able to help)
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13:15.35StCyror maybe a wheezie live cd would be sufficient?
13:16.44upsdokStCyr, afaik there are no jessie live cds yet (but there are derivatives such as lmde, which is still in RC though)
13:16.49upsdokyes, a wheezy live cd would be fine
13:16.54Shadow_7most wifi issues can be worked around with a usb to ethernet adapter.
13:17.07StCyrupsdok: I'll try that thanks :-)
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13:18.04StCyrI see on gnu.org that grub-install will *ignore* grub's installation on the partition if it sees that grub is already installed on the MBR.
13:18.11Shadow_7you can do custom kernels and other means to make a wifi card work too.  But even if it works it might have other issues.  I guess I'm an odd one, having a network connection that drops out in the middle of a boss fight is not a viable network option.
13:18.21StCyrCould that be the problem I experienced?
13:18.30StCyrwouldn't that be a bug in the installer?
13:18.31moldythemill: yep, the i386 package works after adding the i386 arch. nice, thanks.
13:18.40Shadow_7StCyr: mostly likely grub didn't get updated when you did the other install.
13:19.12themillmoldy: great
13:19.21StCyrShadow_7: Yeah looks like.
13:19.30Shadow_7having additional usb bootable options are nice as you can update-grub and use the usb grub to boot the other distro.
13:19.41upsdokdd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=446 count=1 will wipe the bootloader in the MBR, not the partition table (but take backups as always)
13:19.54StCyrso this means installing debian over a previous debian install isn't supported?!?
13:20.12Shadow_7isn't "automated" more likely
13:20.26StCyr:-)
13:20.47Shadow_7depends on what you mean by over.  change /etc/apt/sources.list?  or did a fresh install on the same partition.
13:21.09StCyrShadow_7:  fresh install on the same partition
13:21.38StCyrfresh install (install from network)
13:21.49Shadow_7I generally avoid letting the distro do bootloader stuff.  But I do that step manually.
13:22.02Shadow_7grub-install -f /dev/...
13:22.04Shadow_7update-grub
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13:22.24StCyrYeah I should have do that probably
13:22.27Shadow_7and nano /boot/grub/grub.cfg to verify that things look as expected.
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13:24.14Shadow_7but I'm already skipping wheezy on most things since opengl needy things like java need at least glibc 2.14 to function.  With wheezy on glibc 2.13
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13:24.40Shadow_72D things like videos / youtube are far less needy.
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13:25.19themillthey don't need a newer glibc -- they've just been compiled against a newer libc
13:25.57Shadow_7you can't really compile the oracle version since it's closed source.
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13:36.08weblyhello, let's say you are sick of openssl, and want to use libressl as the core lib everything is built against. What is the best way to go about building a debian system with all other packages built against libressl?
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13:40.03Shadow_7webly: fork debian?  idk, depends on how many packages are in question.  apt-get source and rebuild the packages against libressl.  But subject to breakage with updates.
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13:42.26petn-randallwebly: Is libressl even a 100% ABI compatible drop-in replacement? Otherwise you'll end up re-compiling all the packages of the distribution.
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13:42.44weblypetn-randall: I expect some breakage somewhere
13:42.51weblyI'm interested in finding out how much and where
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13:43.27weblyI don't use a lot of packages, and I can host my own, so that is ok with me
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13:43.49petn-randallwebly: Then build libressl, and start compiling packages against the result. Build a test suite around it to check if the packages run as expected.
13:44.14weblypetn-randall: how do I initiate a bulk build?
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13:46.46petn-randallwebly: It'll probably take you a few weeks of full time work, but you seem determined, so it's quite possible it'll work out. There's probably a how-to for a build environment somewhere on the 'net.
13:46.55StCyrso, I'm re-installing jessie and I'm a the step when it asks me if I want to install grub on the MBR.
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13:47.09StCyrShould I skip this step?
13:47.25petn-randallStCyr: Do you want to be able to boot into your system?
13:47.30StCyrhehehe
13:47.33Shadow_7StCyr: I normally do... just be sure to do it manually before powering down / rebooting.
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13:48.25Shadow_7as long as you have one bootable linux you can always chroot and fix things.
13:48.51StCyrShadow_7: how do you do it manually before rebooting? I do have a shell, but there's no "grub-install" command there (only a "grub-installer" oe)
13:48.54petn-randallStCyr: Let's ask the other way around: Why would you want to skip that step?
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13:49.28StCyrpetn-randall: because it fails if it detects grub already installed on the mbr
13:49.32Shadow_7petn-randall: I normally do because the mbr on usb things tends to make grub-install fail.
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13:49.55Shadow_7so I have to grub-install -f anyway.
13:50.13Shadow_7StCyr: btw, install grub2, not grub-legacy.
13:50.16StCyrpetn-randall: At least, I *think* it fails
13:50.34StCyrShadow_7: come on, I'm just installing "standard" jessie
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13:52.41StCyrI'm considering trying upsdok trick of erasing the mbr with dd before running grub-install
13:52.52Shadow_7jessie is testing.  the jessie installer is for "testing" the installer.
13:53.20Shadow_7or so they say.  I normally do debootstrap installs.  So grub doesn't get installed until I manually install it anyway.
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13:54.18weblypetn-randall: is there really no way to ask apt to rebuild all packages currently installed on the host?
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13:57.30petn-randallwebly: No, apt is not made for that.
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14:00.41weblypetn-randall: is there another tool in debian built for bulk package builds?
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14:01.03weblyrather, is there a tool more suited to this task?
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14:02.38Shadow_7gentoo's ebuild stuff / portage would do that kind of task.
14:02.54Shadow_7assuming that libressl was linux compatible and not bsd only
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14:06.57|oopYou can save your list of packages easily: see "man dpkg" and search for --set-selections and --get-selections
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14:14.17bytecounterHi @all. I want to create a live-cd with an static ip. But it seems, that the /etc/networK/interfaces config will be ignored on startup
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14:14.59johnkeatesif you want to hack it you could do some rc magic
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14:15.20bytecounterrc magic?
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14:17.48StCyrsoooo.... it didn't work :-)
14:18.30Shadow_7the install?  or the wifi?
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14:19.24StCyrShadow_7: actually it was just my brain :-D
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14:19.45gnat_xbytecounter: you could use the @reboot cron time, and do it witha script. hacky i know, but should work.
14:19.54StCyrShadow_7: I've 2 disks in my laptop and boot have grub installed in their MBR
14:20.18StCyrnaturally, it was booting on the wrong MBR :-D
14:20.31gnat_xbytecounter: also it is odd that the network config isn't working, is network-manager or wicd installe on the live image?
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14:20.43Shadow_7my old desktop is quirky like that.  SATA and PATA (ide) drives.  Which is the primary at bootup is a lottery drawing.
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14:21.18BoteManBoot order  should be determined by BIOS settings.
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14:22.55Shadow_7but the bios seems to make that determination by which powers up first.  Which is not predictable.
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14:25.07bytecounterAh...network-manager is missing..I will try..
14:25.15RugI need some help with snmpd on my server.  Using snmpwalk I can see the data on localhost but I can't get the data from another workstation.  My snmpd.conf has:  rocommunity public 192.168.0.0/24  Any suggestions?
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14:27.27mike802have you put your workstation ip on the hosts file?
14:28.14Rugno.
14:28.58RoyKmike802: why should that be relevant?
14:29.00RugBut I am not accessing it via hostname.
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14:29.07Rug=)
14:29.24Rugsnmpwalk -v 1 -c public 192.168.0.1
14:29.27gnat_xbytecounter: actually network-manager shouldn't be needed. i was asking because those things can sometimes do odd things. however they also should ignore interfaces specified in /etc/network/interfaces
14:29.31mike802host name is only relevant if you have a dns server set up on your network
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14:30.07mike802domain name server
14:30.19ange1quit
14:30.40mike802the hosts file allows for connections
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14:33.08Rugmike802: I wasn't aware of that.  Could you point to a source for that information?
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14:35.02mike802http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap9sec95.html
14:35.16mike802i could be wrong
14:35.39dean[h]Hi. I just span up a new debian server on digital ocean. Running wheezy. apt-get updated + upgraded. Openssl is still stuck at 1.0.1e
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14:36.51dean[h]Is there some kind of more up to date source i can use for these things. 1.0.1k was released today after the new openssl advisory
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14:41.16ChrisHdean[h]: and what is the problem now? All security fixes are backported... check the CVEs for details
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14:41.43gnat_xdean[h]: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/openssl
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14:42.09gnat_xthat's the right version, and as ChrisH mentions, th security fixes are backported
14:42.35bytecounterWhy a livesystem didn't recognize the /etc/network/interfaces-file?
14:42.47dean[h]Have they not yet been back ported: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-0291 ?
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14:44.43ChrisHhttps://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2015-0291  ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided.
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14:48.09ChrisHhttps://openssl.org/news/secadv_20150319.txt  sounds pretty mich different to me
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14:51.38LordDeathif checkrestarts tells me: "Found 0 processes using old versions of upgraded files" then I don't need to restart anything after the openssl update?
14:52.06LordDeathnot sure why, but until today checkrestart never told me that there is a process running old versions of upgraded files
14:52.14quesoMy disk has a root and a home partition. My root partition (9.2G) is almost full.  Is there a way to get some low-hanging fruit off of there?  I went through my aptitude logs to see which packages I installed that I don't need and I uninstalled them, but there's still only 291M free.  When I uninstalled those packages, I don't think it removed their dependencies.  Is there a way to remove those, too?  Any other tips?
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14:59.05nezZarioIs there a gui 'launcher' for ssh ?
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14:59.39tuxx-wow, thats the first ive ever heard someone ask for a gui for ssh nezZario :D
14:59.43nezZariolike, eh, I don't mind just using the bare cli ssh client.. but it would be cool to have something remember all the hosts/users/passes (where priv key doesn't exist)
14:59.47shay_shaynezZario: I dont think anyones ever said those words before
14:59.52SynrGnezZario: yes. putty
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15:00.08tuxx-i think you need putty for that
15:00.09SynrGand no, putty is not only for windows
15:00.12nezZariowell it doesn't have to be like x gui, but maybe just some cli app
15:00.19SynrG,v putty
15:00.21juddPackage: putty on i386 -- squeeze: 0.60+2010-02-20-1+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 0.60+2010-02-20-1+squeeze2; squeeze-security-lts: 0.60+2010-02-20-1+squeeze3; wheezy: 0.62-9+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 0.62-9+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 0.62-9+deb7u2; jessie: 0.63-10; sid: 0.63-10
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15:00.34shay_shayah
15:00.38shay_shayso there is
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15:01.32doertedeverm... https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-0291 << how come a version was vulnerable 5mins ago and is now "fixed"?
15:01.41doertedevwas the test pending? Oo
15:01.54nezZarioI think I might just write something in python
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15:02.13doertedevlol wrong keycombi
15:02.23gnat_xqueso: assuming that /var/ is on the / partition, apt-get clean
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15:02.47nezZarioI just want a cli prompt that has a list of my commonly connected servers .. right now I just have aliases for them all which is a pita
15:03.50SynrGssh <tab><tab>
15:04.06SynrGthere is tab-completion for hosts
15:04.20SynrGlooks like it is the union of: contents of /etc/hosts and hosts listed in ~/.ssh/config
15:04.23tuxx-ah, thats new to me, lol :D
15:04.30nezZarioTHAT's what I was looking for.
15:04.37nezZarioThanks, that'll do nicely
15:04.45SynrGnp
15:04.48SynrGnew to me too :)
15:04.52SynrGit just seemed "obvious"
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15:19.22mjkrnow that i have a proper chroot from debootstrap, now how do i make it a vm so that it has an independent ip address, and runs services such as ssh/nginx/ipsec?
15:20.17gnat_xmjkr: are you looking at a particular vm tech?
15:20.50gnat_xmjkr: i tend towards kvm, with that you should be able to specify your chroot as that system's drive.
15:21.26mjkrgnat_x: nope. building the chroot is complete through debootstrap, and now i wanna get the chroot an ip address and have it run ipsec and ssh
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15:34.25quesognat_x: Thanks, I have done that.
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15:35.10Eduard_MunteanuHow do you continue an interrupted 'fakeroot debian/rules binary' build?
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15:36.55kskEduard_Munteanu: you just do it again?
15:37.17Eduard_Munteanuksk, it complains dh_autoreconf --as-needed can't be run again
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15:37.40kskdelete the directory? containig the version you are trying to build right now?
15:38.05Eduard_Munteanuksk, I want to continue the build, not restart it, I'm building on a slow machine.
15:38.07kskI have built some packages, but not sure what you are doing there..
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15:38.26otyughEduard_Munteanu: depend how you halted it
15:38.37ksk"building" is quite a thing, there are "package things" todo and to compile a binary, and stuff
15:38.39otyughif you were wise you'd just paused it :p
15:38.54Eduard_Munteanuotyugh, say I have to ctrl+c and reboot the machine
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15:39.09otyughWell, I don't see what you can do, then.
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15:40.38Eduard_MunteanuHm, pretty bad. :/
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15:43.25tuxcrafterhi all i got an repository and the company that maintains it does not use a gpg
15:43.40tuxcrafterhttp://nightly.openerp.com/7.0/nightly/deb/
15:43.57tuxcrafterin redhad there is the gpgcheck=0 option that can be added to the reop content
15:44.03tuxcrafterhow can i add this with apt?
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15:45.23tuxcrafterbtw i managed to find the key for the repo
15:45.31tuxcrafterbut i still find the question intresting
15:45.47petn-randalltuxcrafter: They do use signed repos, I can see the Release.gpg in the link you provided.
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15:47.18tuxcrafterAPT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated "true"; is that the only option (can that be used for a specific repo as well)
15:47.18apttuxcrafter: that's too long
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16:08.19mike802http://mike802.blogspot.com/2014/01/misc-research.html
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16:15.51Brigoanybody knows why i cannot connect to #debian channel on OFTC?
16:16.29GPenguinBrigo: check your status window of the chat client
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16:17.52BrigoConnection reset by the remote host (translated from spanish connection reset by peer may be?)
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16:18.31SynrGno. debhelper bot is enforcing an artificially too-low connection limit. it seems to be confused and needs op intervention
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16:18.56Brigoi can connect now.
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16:19.53Brigoi was weird i could join into all channel but #debian.
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16:20.38GPenguinusually you get something like "unable to join" in the status window of the client with a vague description why
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16:20.57BrigoGPenguin, yes, but not tis time :)
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16:54.35boobzillahello
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16:56.19boobzillaoh my God .... how do I in this system print just a packagename please ? just like rpm -qa some-string\* ?
16:56.22boobzilladpkg -l linux-image-amd64\*
16:56.23dpkgNo packages found matching linux-image-amd64\*
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16:56.54boobzilla^^ returns 10 other things other than pkg name ....
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16:57.37boobzillaI don't want to see anything but pkg name ... using sed|perl to get just pkg name is abhorrent so I'd guess I'm missing something important .. I don't see it in manual
16:57.57GPenguinboobzilla: learn the power of grep and awk :P
16:58.01SynrGyof installed packages only?
16:58.06centrxThere are some other dpkg command-line tools, like dpkg-query
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16:58.57boobzillacentrx: ok, which command please ?
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17:01.37boobzillacentrx: can you please show me that straight away, doing: ```dpkg -l linux-image-amd64\* | perl -ne 'next if ! s@^ii\s+([\d\w-]+).*$@$1@; print'''' is really disturbing for me right now
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17:06.28centrxboobzilla, I don't know the command for what you are looking for
17:06.32centrxboobzilla, just pointing you to some tools
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17:07.11boobzillaok, no prob, thanks ... I'm rather less experienced with debian so checking all dpkg-* related manpages to know that is for me a bit frustrating
17:07.20SynrGyboobzilla: partial answer: grep-status --regex -F Package -n -s Package linux-image.\*amd64
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17:07.34SynrGyyou didn't answer: of installed packages only?
17:07.45boobzillayes
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17:08.08boobzilladebian synomym for: rpm -qa [pkg_name]
17:08.18SynrGythis shows all packages known in the status file
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17:09.11boobzillaSynrGy: rpm -q foo tells you just pkgname so you can use that straight away in scripts or piped to other commands ... that's why I need it
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17:09.55centrxboobzilla, how about dpkg --get-selections
17:10.01boobzillacarefully postprocessing every dpkg output to get a pkg name is simply retarded so that's why I'm asking for a better tool
17:10.17boobzillacentrx: thanks, looking at it
17:10.30centrxdpkg --get-selections |cut -f1
17:10.30dpkgselects centrx's pr0n collection
17:10.34SynrGycentrx: that shows desired state. not necessarily current state.
17:10.38centrxright
17:10.41centrxboobzilla, ^^
17:11.28SynrGypersonally, i use either grep-dctrl or aptitude, depending on what info i'm after. aptitude is slightly tidier and has nicer pattern-matching
17:11.33boobzillacentrx: thanks, that's about something like 549% better :)
17:11.52SynrGyboobzilla: but if your current state doesn't reflect your desired state, it will be inaccurate
17:11.58SynrGyif current state was what you wanted
17:12.09boobzillayeah, I get it, thanks ...
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17:12.45boobzillaas I said, looking for 1:1 equivalent of rpm -qa ... dpkg --get-selections pattern does *almost whayt I need so I'm fine with that ... thanbks
17:13.48SynrGyboobzilla: i think aptitude wins here:
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17:13.50SynrGyaptitude search --group-by=none ~i~nlinux-image -F%p
17:14.09boobzillaindeed :)
17:14.09SynrGyboobzilla: that restricts the search to exactly what *is* installed
17:14.24SynrGyer, sec. i don't even think the --group-by is needed
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17:14.50SynrGyaptitude search ~i~nlinux-image -F%p
17:15.16boobzillaSynrGy: thanks, I'll use that dpkg --get-selection, one universal printing of field #0 is fine
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17:15.55SynrGyboobzilla: ok, so long as you understand it just means "i want to install this package", not "i have this package installed"
17:16.15boobzillao.O
17:16.32SynrGythat's the purpose of dpkg --get-selections, to report on the desired state
17:16.35boobzillaI'm just querying a locally installed packages .. I don't care for "available" packages
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17:16.37SynrGyit's what i've been harping on
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17:17.18SynrGythat's why i suggest using aptitude instead.
17:17.19boobzillayeah, thanks ... I catched that already at the beginning .. I know how dpkg works ... I was using debian only for something like 5 years
17:17.35boobzillahowever back in 1998-2002
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17:18.10SynrGyok. just seems like an ugly hack, and prone to fail in certain corner cases.
17:18.19SynrGywhereas aptitude cmd does exactly what you want
17:18.50boobzillahmm ... from what I know aptitude might not be available everywhere .. it's not iirc installed by default
17:19.03boobzillabut correct me if I'm wrong please
17:19.10SynrGyit's priority: Important
17:19.18SynrGyso it's reasonable to expect it to be installed
17:19.39SynrGythough you are right, not guaranteed to be installed
17:19.58boobzillaSynrGy: what will happen please when aptitude won't be able to access the online repos ? is that your command querying only in the cahces ?
17:20.00boobzilla**caches
17:20.21SynrGyit's only checking caches, yes
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17:20.54boobzillaI can make (in my script) your aptitude way as default (if available) and dpkg method as fallback
17:21.04SynrGysince dpkg-query is in the dpkg package, it may be better
17:21.14boobzillaso thanks, back to business, I have all my answers collected
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17:22.52boobzillaSynrGy: btw, I did: apt-cache search perl | egrep -i dpkg\|deb
17:23.12boobzillathere's no perl-ish deb/dpkg module or api ??
17:23.43boobzillaokay, I should use ggl instead ... ofc, irc ain't ggl
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17:27.30SynrGyboobzilla: dpkg-query -W -f '${db:Status-Abbrev}${Package}\n' linux-image* | grep ^ii | cut -d' ' -f2
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17:28.04SynrGyboobzilla: couldn't figure out a better way with dpkg-query. doesn't seem to have pattern matching against specific fields, hence the grep pipeline
17:28.15xavier`hi all.
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17:28.55xavier`my first connect here through emacs !
17:28.57SynrGyboobzilla: and even this is less than perfect because it could fail on broken or half-installed packages (iB, iH)
17:29.08boobzillaSynrGy: thanks man .. I'm 100% fine now already
17:29.44boobzillaxavier`: omg, emacs has now integrated irc client :D ??
17:29.48SynrGyboobzilla: sure. it just bugged me "what if aptitude isn't there?" which is valid
17:29.55SynrGyemacs has *everything*
17:30.00SynrGyit's an OS
17:30.21xavier`hehe. sure. name erc
17:31.00teraflopSynrGy: i like this one http://www.tootips.com/2013/02/rainbarf-cpubatteryram-usage-chart-bar.html
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17:33.32xavier`well, don't know how usable this thing actually is... one question please. just installed Jessie and gnome 3 packages manually (gdm3 and some other stuff like gnome-panel). anyone knows which package would allow font hinting changes ? that feature is off. ty
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18:05.42s1991Hello, I have some doubts abt packaging system.
18:05.58s1991Is ubutu-packaging same as debian-packaging?
18:06.20bazhangs1991, ppa you mean?
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18:06.37s1991bazhang: ya
18:06.52bazhangcontact launchpad for that s1991
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18:07.42s1991bazhang: I just wanna know is debian-package used for making PPA
18:07.49centrxs1991, The standard tools used for packaging and using packages are the same
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18:08.16centrxs1991, but that does not necessarily mean that an Ubuntu package is compatible with a Debian system or vice-versa
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18:08.44s1991Isn't ubuntu a debian based system?
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18:09.09NoImNotNineVolt!based
18:09.15NoImNotNineVolt:\
18:09.25NoImNotNineVoltit was something like that...
18:09.28AimHereYes, but that does not necessarily mean that an Ubuntu package is compatible with a Debian system or vice versa
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18:10.12bazhanghe wants help building a PPA
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18:10.31bazhanglaunchpad is the place to go
18:11.14centrx!debian-based
18:11.14dpkgYour distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian.  We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/).  #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users.  Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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18:26.57knosysguys i am really sorry about this... debian jessie is working awful on my computer. After just a few days using it
18:27.06knosysI cant even run rythmbox
18:27.16knosysthis cannot be considered as operative :(
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18:27.27NoImNotNineVolti've been running jessie for quite a while and it's _great_
18:27.44knosyswell then I dont know whats the problem on mine
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18:27.51NoImNotNineVoltin fact it's so great that we've been targeting jessie exclusively for all our projects.
18:27.58knosysmaybe its my cdrom drive, it makes weird sounds when open rythmbox
18:28.05knosysanyway, its not the only problem
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18:28.21knosysif i suspend, when comming back and login the session, background screen its screwed up
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18:28.50knosysalso full screen videos , it have a frame in the bottom of the video, that allow me to see background windows
18:29.11knosysso i have to minimize and maximize again the full-screen feature of the browser
18:29.20knosysand like that detail... ten or more
18:29.35greycatThat certainly sounds like a bug that's worth reporting, if you can figure out which package/system to file it against.
18:29.41knosysif i enter a new chat, graphics got screwed, i have to scroll up & down again the buffer
18:29.50Shadow_7knosys: do the same symptoms exist on other distros?  like ubuntu?
18:29.57knosysgreycat, i was going to, but already reported
18:30.08greycatwhat's the bug number?
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18:30.24knosysShadow_7, I am not sure, but I doubt it , because i used other debian versions before and was lil better than now
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18:30.31knosysgreycat, give a moment
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18:30.40knosysi searched last day so i will get in history
18:30.44knosysand its duplicated :P
18:30.50knosys2 bugs at least about same issue
18:31.07knosysbut i mean the one of background screwed when suspension
18:31.20greycatThat's actually a good sign.  Easily encountered means easily reproduced, which means more easily fixed... usually.
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18:32.04knosysyeah , its nvidia graphic card problem i think
18:32.10DingoSaarCan someone tell me whether Jessie is applicable for a webserver yet?
18:32.15knosysit doesnt care if you using noveau or propietary nvidia driver
18:32.18knosysit happen in both cases
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18:32.52knosysDingoSaar, i think its good for that... but not for desktop
18:32.59knosystoo many issues for common use
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18:33.16DingoSaarHm... is there a rollout date projected?
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18:33.50knosysDingoSaar, anyway, if you are an expert in linux, you could probably fix everything in a while
18:34.08knosysBut I am not, so cant be sure anyway
18:34.32Shadow_7I've always had issues with nvidia.  Issues that never seem an issue with ati/amd or intel GPUs.
18:34.34DingoSaarknosys, you know the Golden Rule: Things to fix *always* occur at weekends and/or when you are busy with something else...
18:34.37knosysalso: if i plugin my mobile ,and turn it off , and turn on again. it makes a lot of weird sounds
18:34.43knosysby the way, i am using HDMI sound
18:35.08knosysand sometimes i plugin headphones in the motherboards jack plug
18:36.05nmschulteI'm trying to configure nginx and PHP via fastcgi (php-fpm).  I can see that requests are making it to php-fpm, as the `systemctl php5-fpm status` shows the "Requests" value rising.  However, I receive only blank pages from nginx.
18:36.19knosysxDD DingoSaar yes. Of course. That is how it happen... i was tired and want to watch a movie... and fullscreen its not working nicely. Want to hear a song , and rythmbox wont work today :P
18:36.43knosyswell, if I knew how to fix it, today would be a good moment for that, no plans
18:37.07knosysbut then there is an add to the rule: And if you have time to fix it, you dont know how? xD
18:37.27DingoSaarI would change for horde 5, but as there are other ways to install it on Wheezy via pear, I think I will downgrade to Wheezy again...
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18:38.10DingoSaarWhat I find really, really necessary would be a "merge" of Gentoo emerge and Debian dselect...
18:38.38DingoSaarBTW, am I the only "old-timer" who prefers dselect over aptitude?
18:38.54greycatnmschulte: are you sure you set up the fastcgi_pass stuff correctly in the nginx config?
18:39.03knosyssorry for this noob question: what is dselect ? just if you feel like explaining, otherwise i will look for it on the network
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18:39.28greycatdselect is an old curses-GUI interface for selecting packages from a list
18:39.36knosysemerge i readed  the other day that it was the package manager of gentoo
18:39.56Shadow_7dselect is an old school installer type thing.  Like tasksel except you can select on a per package basis.
18:40.15nmschultegreycat: I'm not certain, no.
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18:40.28knosyslike if synaptics were in a terminal? something like that?
18:40.29nmschulteI modified what was in the `default` configuration.
18:40.55Shadow_7I used dselect update so I can dpkg-query --load-avail -l '*search*terms*'
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18:41.04greycatnmschulte: here's my config file for /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/wooledge.org : http://wooledge.org/~greg/bar
18:41.05nmschultegreycat: I have fastcgi_pass unix:/var/run/php5-fpm.sock; -- no other fastcgi lines.
18:41.14nmschultegreycat: much appreciated
18:41.44LordDeathwhat should I do if I need debian-goodies 0.64 in wheezy? https://packages.debian.org/sid/debian-goodies
18:41.58nmschultegreycat: I am using "root ..." inside a location, with no server-contained "root".  does that matter much at all?
18:42.00LordDeathwill manually installing the package work or do I have to rely on apt-pinning?
18:42.10knosysguys do you use cgi for php code ?
18:42.19greycatnmschulte: I don't know
18:42.32greycatknosys: most people probably don't
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18:43.02knosysi was wondering if there is a really big security difference between running it as apache module, and running it as cgi
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18:43.28greycatIt's more about performance than security, usually.
18:43.32knosysi always used apache module :S ! but just coding machine, host was paid... i guess it is pretty secure
18:43.49knosysuhm... i though cgi were slower than running as module
18:43.55greycatyes, it is
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18:45.05DingoSaarknosys, dselect is a kind of "no-frills" package frontend between apt-get and aptitude etc.pp. - it gives you the info you need, but nevertheless you can select interactively.
18:45.24nmschultegreycat: I'm thinking this may be a permission issue.
18:45.32nmschultenginx runs as the nginx user, php-fpm runs as www-data
18:45.38nmschulteand my files are all owned by me.
18:45.38greycatnmschulte: if that's the case, you should be finding errors in a log somewhere
18:45.52knosysThanks
18:45.54DingoSaarknosys, emerge is the "apt-get" equivalent on Gentoo; it tells you exactly where a package comes from (package:gentoo for root, package:overlay for an overlay)
18:46.03greycatnginx runs as user www-data by default on Debian
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18:46.28knosysI see thats an upside
18:46.41DingoSaarVia layman you can import overlays, contrib packages not in the trunk, and select if and how many "custom packages" you want apart from trunk.
18:46.54knosysoverlay = third party software? i dont get that very much
18:47.10knosysIll better search a bit :D
18:47.17knosysor this could be really annoying in a little while
18:47.33DingoSaarQuite frankly, I have never seen a reason to switch from dselect to aptitude... there is just no added value apart from colourful output and less info, IMO
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18:48.19DingoSaarknosys, np, I am stuck anyway... yes, it is kind of "third-party", eg. gamerslay is an overlay that has many FLOSS games that are not in the Trunk
18:48.30knosysoverlays "They are maintained by Gentoo developers and projects but distributed separately from the main Portage tree"
18:49.14knosysI see
18:49.23greycatdoesn't use dselect OR aptitude ... just apt-get
18:49.37DingoSaarThen, there is "progress" (it should be named "NEVER TOUCH!!!"), if you install and unmask it, it will hijack the whole system (supersede about every :gentoo trunk package), if you mask it, the packages you want won't have their dependencies filled.
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18:50.15DingoSaargreycat, I can see the point... is there an equivalent to "eix", a package-searching tool?
18:50.22greycatapt-cache search
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18:50.27DingoSaarTNX
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18:51.10greycatYou can tell Debian was designed by a committee, since there are half a dozen different package management tools, all with different names and interfaces.
18:51.15DingoSaarI SEE an added value of having dselect... and really, really miss it on RHEL, Gentoo etc....
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18:53.53knosyslets see what is that dselect ... I have never used and have free time
18:53.54DingoSaargreycat, well, aptitude was to supersede dselect... dselect has about everything one can want, it is slim, AFAIK gets installed automatically with the package manager,......
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18:54.38DingoSaarknosys, if you have the keys memorised, it is really intuitive...
18:54.52DingoSaarIt would be my dream to adapt it to emerge.
18:55.25DingoSaarportage. That's the package manager behind Gentoo, emerge is just - like apt - the command line frontend...
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18:56.06greycatGentoo's very different.  The whole packaging concept is built around downloading source and building it, like BSD ports, rather than binary packages like Debian.
18:56.14nmschultegreycat: what is in your fastcgi_params; file?
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18:56.41greycatJust the default /etc/nginx/fastcgi_params from the Debian package.  I didn't touch it.
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18:57.20nmschultegreycat: php.ini... cgi.fix_pathinfo 0 ?
18:57.37RoyKthose OpenSSL fixes - are they in the repos yet?
18:57.44greycatI might have messed with the PHP config.  It's been a while.
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18:58.33greycatphp.ini:cgi.fix_pathinfo=0
18:58.42greycatin /etc/php5/fpm
18:58.52nmschultegreycat: thanks.
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18:59.29DingoSaargreycat, yes, that has its pros and cons... however, I really, REALLY like the ergonomy and usability of dselect...
18:59.33knosysDingoSaar, how to search with dselect  ? xd
18:59.43knosyspackage by name
18:59.45DingoSaarknosys, / <searchterm>
18:59.52knosysthanks
18:59.55DingoSaarknosys, next result \
19:00.16greycatnmschulte: also check the listen.owner and listen.group in /etc/php5/fpm/pool.d/www.conf
19:00.53nmschultegreycat: they are www-data:www-data - 0660
19:01.02nmschultenginx is running as nginx.  I assume that's the problem?
19:01.15DingoSaaradd a package with +, remove one with -, and if it has dependencies you know are incorrect and could be ignored, use Q instead of <Return> to leave the screen - your choices will be recorded, so be sure to select/deselect the packages you want before
19:01.17nmschulteI see no errors in nginx logs nor php-fpm logs.
19:01.19greycatvery likely, yes
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19:03.52knosysDingoSaar, do you know any way to search by the description also?
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19:03.59nmschultegreycat: I lied, nginx is run as root, with sub processes as www-data
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19:05.17DingoSaarknosys, alas not, I had no debian-contact for some years after I switched to Gentoo for my Laptop
19:05.43DingoSaarTry the manpage or ? (it gives you some help pages about some topics)
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19:06.46knosysyes I checked ? but i saw just few keystores, maybe there is some pagination I will check again
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19:07.46knosysit looks nice
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19:08.00DingoSaarknosys, ? gives you a menu of four topics where to get help
19:08.13knosysbut it would be great if you can search for description also! you could just search there instead of going always google
19:08.31knosysyes But I guess what I am looking for its on keystores right?
19:08.37DingoSaarI see your point, and I guess it is possible... it just is a very common case
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19:08.55DingoSaarknosys, try the other three also...
19:09.07knosys;D ok
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19:09.47DingoSaarIf you add '/d' to the search expression, dselect will also search in
19:09.47DingoSaar<PROTECTED>
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19:10.00DingoSaarsorry.
19:10.10knosysniice, for me its np :)
19:10.20knosysthanks
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19:10.26DingoSaarI thought I could edit it before sending it...
19:10.35DingoSaarit is from the manpage man dselect
19:11.05DingoSaarOK, n also works... did not remember that...
19:11.33DingoSaarknosys, for me it is also interesting to find out how to search the description
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19:11.55knosysIm glad, thanks will be usefull
19:11.56DingoSaarMy question is, what does aptitude offer that is worse than dselect?
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19:13.26knosysI dont have enought knowledge about aptitude yet to know that sorry, neither about dselect
19:13.57DingoSaarthat was a question to regular aptitude users in the channel... if any?
19:14.14DingoSaarknosys, I am glad if I could "evangelise" you to dselect... :-D
19:14.51knosys:D haha Me too man, a new thing I know of this nice OS
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19:15.30maese_camarahola
19:15.38knosysanyway I think i will install a new OS this weekend... I have fresh jessie installation, and have been using debian last year, i think i will learn a different one
19:15.47knosyssomeone told me about archlinux, that it would be good for learning
19:15.57Atrocis it normal to receive daily 1.000 login attempts from china on my server?
19:16.02nmschultegreycat: it seems it was a combination of issues, stemming from fastcgi_params config and the server block inheriting root configuration.
19:16.07knosyshola maese xD creo que es obligatorio ingles en el general :P
19:16.21knosyspero solo creo
19:16.32greycatSo you got it working?  Cool!
19:16.38jhutchinsAtroc: Running ssh on port 22?
19:16.38nmschulteindeed, thanks much.
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19:17.07knosysAtroc, I am not sure if its too much. But myself, with a home server that was online for just one month, i received a lot of them daily too
19:17.12jhutchinsknosys: Debian might be better.  Learn it right instead of easy.
19:17.17Atrocjhutchins: yeah. does this happen often or just me?
19:17.25DingoSaarknosys, perhaps Gentoo or Sabayon is for you?
19:17.37jhutchinsAtroc: Pretty much guaranteed to happen.
19:17.39srgAtroc: It's not unusual, no. You can "escape" them by changing the SSH port. You can defend against them by securing sshd (there's many settings)
19:17.39LordDeathwhat is the correct way to restart /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server ?
19:17.53LordDeathaccording to checkrestart it is my only process that I have to restart
19:18.11nmschultegreycat: would you mind sharing your fastcgi_params file?
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19:18.13LordDeathbut it is a child of init and there is no service or init.d entry for it
19:18.21LordDeath(as far as I know)
19:18.23DingoSaarI have learned quite some things with Gentoo... to determine the right parameters, USE clauses, and what can go wrong compiling and how to fix it
19:18.36jhutchinsAtroc: The problem is that you can get so many connection attempts that it makes the system unresponsive.
19:18.53Atrocjhutchins: ah ok thanks. srg: i made a country whitelist. now it should be better.
19:18.58knosysjhutchins, ok... seriously, you have just convinced me, even without args, because i was crying in my inside because of giving up debian
19:19.00srgjhutchins: MaxStartups in sshd_config
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19:19.06knosysbut maybe i should try wheezy again for now
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19:19.29Atrocor i change ssh port and make a honeypot
19:19.33jhutchinsAtroc: You can also throttle the number of connections per second and lock out addresses that are trying too hard with iptables, but every packet still hits the kernel.
19:19.55jhutchins!es
19:19.56dpkgEste canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
19:19.57Atrocjhutchins: yeah but the ips always change but is always from "chinanet"
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19:20.09knosysjhutchins, the other day, a work mate was switching the month in my computer gnome calendar
19:20.11knosysand somehow
19:20.19knosysbackground windows poped up to the front
19:20.24jhutchinsAtroc: You can firewall the APAC IP blocks, that helps some (if the firewall is an upstream device).
19:20.24knosyslike if calendar wasnt there
19:20.54knosysthose windows was even behind web browser, so web browser didnt came front, but the most background windows
19:20.56jhutchinsAtroc: Best practice these days is to change the port.  They can still find it, but the fact that you've done that means that you're security aware and probably not worth trying.
19:20.58knosysit was really weird
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19:21.18DingoSaar!eo
19:21.22DingoSaar!de
19:21.22dpkgDeutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
19:21.26DingoSaarnice...
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19:21.36DingoSaar!C
19:21.36dpkgSee, or S-E-E.  If you're too lazy to spell it out, we're too lazy to help you.
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19:21.56jhutchins!message the bot
19:22.03jhutchinsSigh.
19:22.05greycat/msg dpkg lisp    etc.
19:22.11jhutchinsWhat he said.
19:22.19knosys(defun fixMyJessie(fix))
19:22.20knosysxD
19:22.25DingoSaarjust fooling around a bit...
19:22.27knosysi wish i knew lisp
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19:22.45nmschulteif my ssh server is on the Internet / routable, I disable password auth, disable root auth, and require keys.  I also change the exposed ssh port to limit DoS, e.g. 22 -> 2022
19:22.52DingoSaarknosys, what do you know in programming languages?
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19:23.22knosysjust php , a little of java ... ansi C just basics (string managing and little more, also syntax)
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19:23.38knosysand nothing else xD other are scripting, javascript and a little bit of lua
19:23.41knosysand mysql :P
19:23.46DingoSaar(although I probably will be stoned if I give recommendations on which languages to learn...)
19:23.54Atrocjhutchins: ah ok thanks. its my first server for years so the attacks from china are new for me. they wouldn't crack it anyway because i copied their password list from their servers. they had a http server running with all their stuff. ;)
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19:24.09DingoSaarknosys, learn python - it is a well-designed language, versatile and useful.
19:24.16knosysDingoSaar, my best is PHP... and i already know its a bad language
19:24.20knosyseveryone hates php xD
19:24.28DingoSaarknosys, a good point to start with functional programming is Haskell
19:24.30nmschulteI like php.
19:24.30knosysbut i just learned at same time that a friend of mine...
19:24.52jhutchinsknosys DingoSaar Languages are really offtopic here, we try to keep it to Debian Support questions.
19:25.01DingoSaarknosys, FreePASCAL is a PERFECT language to LEARN...
19:25.02knosysi like it too.. i get fun writing it... but i think i would get fun with any other :)
19:25.04DingoSaarjhutchins, sorry
19:25.34knosysDingoSaar, I started for first time with delphi , it was some kind of pascal I think
19:25.46knosysbut i was a little boy, just made some stupid loadbars and so
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19:25.55knosyswhy would you recommend it?
19:26.06DingoSaarknosys, let's talk in private, sec
19:26.14knosysok
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19:28.48jhutchinsThere's also #debian-offtopic
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19:32.45srgHey guys. I have some large files (>2 GB) that I wish to transfer from my debian laptop to a windows laptop within the same LAN. There's many methods I can think of to do this (http server, ftp server, samba share..), but I'm wondering what would be simpliest (as in, minimal installed software and minimal configuration)?
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19:33.11srgThe windows laptop isn't mine, so ideally no installed software on that end.
19:33.23greycatThe simplest is probably "insert an 8GB USB storage device".
19:33.38indrorasrg: I'm with greycat on this one. exfat knows how to handle big files.
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19:34.23srgah, I was looking at it from a network approach, but that works too
19:34.37greycatWindows networking(tm)!
19:34.50indrorasrg: I was also going to say, if you have Python installed, https://docs.python.org/2/library/simplehttpserver.html
19:35.06indroraYes, Python comes with a free, builtin dirt-simple HTTP server
19:35.13indroraSo does PHP
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19:35.43greycatWell, if your Debian system is already running sshd, you could install psftp (or equivalent) on the Windows box and pull files that way.
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19:36.24greycatIn some setups that may be simpler than finding a sufficiently-large USB device.
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19:36.29indroralet's play "Golf our way to copying files over the network"
19:38.17indroraI mean, there's always `nc -l 5050 <(tar cvv ./)` on one side and `nc xxx:5050 | tar xvv` on the other.
19:38.28greycatnot when "the other" is Windows
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19:38.56indroragreycat: netcat is available on Windows.
19:38.56dami0is there any way to force to apt-get to install a package that is already installed, effectively overwriting the already installed one?
19:39.14jellydami0: why do you want to do that
19:39.16greycatdami0: apt-get --reinstall install foobar
19:39.22indroradami0: apt-get --reinstall install
19:39.22jelly(yes there is)
19:39.26indroraninja'd.
19:39.36dami0jelly: stuff broke
19:39.44greycatIt won't overwrite modified config files, though.
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19:39.50jellydami0: what stuff?  config files or package contents?
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20:12.03knosysguys a file named /etc/inetd.conf should exist on my system (debian jessie) by default, right?
20:12.20jhutchinsdami0: You can purge and reinstall.
20:12.35jhutchinsknosys: Nope.
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20:13.19knosysAuch.. i am trying to find documentation on how to disable some services, but I am not getting very good information
20:13.25greycatI don't think there's a default inetd even on wheezy
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20:13.37jhutchinsknosys: Debian uses a modular configuration system for Apache and it's all under /etc/apache2/
20:13.40greycatknosys: it depends entirely on the service
20:13.52knosysupdate-inetd --disable telnet
20:13.58knosysshouldnt that work?
20:13.59jhutchinsgreycat: I think there's a fairly basic one that sets up the includes.
20:14.04greycatknosys: the debian version of that is "dpkg --remove telnetd"
20:14.19knosysahhh thanks
20:14.20jhutchinsD'Oh!  inetd.
20:14.21NoImNotNineVoltum.
20:14.21greycatls: cannot access /etc/inetd*: No such file or directory
20:14.31NoImNotNineVoltdoesn't that remove the package entirely, leaving only config files?
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20:15.07deicide34Just upgraded to Jessie yesterday. Everything went smoothly. Systemd works fine.
20:15.10NoImNotNineVolti thought update-inetd --disable merely prevented it from being started by init but didn't actually delete it.
20:15.11knosysdpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove telnetd which isn't installed
20:15.11dpkgknosys: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
20:15.22knosysops sorry bot mate
20:15.23deicide34Just wanted to say one big thank you to all the devs
20:15.24deicide34:)
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20:15.50greycatNoImNotNineVolt: I'm still convinced that removing telnetd is the correct thing to do.
20:16.04jhutchinsgreycat: You're right, not installed by default.
20:16.27NoImNotNineVoltseems rather presumptuous.
20:16.45greycattelnetd depends on "openbsd-inetd | inet-superserver"
20:16.55jhutchinsNoImNotNineVolt: Considered good practice to remove telnetd on most systems.
20:17.07greycatso if you happen to install something like telnetd, it will bring in openbsd-inetd UNLESS you already have a different *inetd
20:17.09NoImNotNineVolt"on most", yes.
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20:17.27NoImNotNineVoltbut that shouldn't that be the user's decision?
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20:17.48NoImNotNineVolttelling them dpkg --remove will only disable a service seems rather underhanded if not outright malicious.
20:18.19greycatNoImNotNineVolt: You might be thinking of --purge, which I did not say to do.
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20:18.40greycatRemoving the package IS the standard debian approach for disabling most legacy services.  You can just reinstall the package if you want it back.
20:18.48NoImNotNineVolti thought the only difference between purge and remove was that purge would delete all conffiles too.
20:18.51jhutchinsNoImNotNineVolt: There are very few good reasons to have a telnet daemon.
20:18.52greycatCorrect.
20:18.56NoImNotNineVoltdoesn't remove actually delete the binaries?
20:18.59greycatYes.
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20:19.32NoImNotNineVoltjhutchins: yes, that's my point. that there _are_ reasons to have a telnet daemon.
20:19.43jhutchinsNoImNotNineVolt: Name one.
20:19.49greycatIf you're one of the 17 people on the entire planet who have a legitimate reason to install telnetd, then install it.
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20:20.07knosysI agree with greycat in that
20:20.13NoImNotNineVoltjhutchins: i'm not knosys.
20:20.24jhutchinsThe only one I can think of at the moment is "Trying to spoof a Cisco device".
20:20.31knosys-.-
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20:20.54NoImNotNineVoltthere's very few good reasons to have a rootkit installed too. but if someone comes in here asking how to do X, and you give them instructions that instead remove their rootkit, you're being underhanded at best.
20:20.59jhutchinsWe don't usually install finger daemons either, and that's more secure.
20:21.05greycatwhat?!
20:21.12NoImNotNineVoltterrible analogy? :P
20:21.45GPenguinto run a Multi User Dungeon you need a telnetd, of course!!
20:21.47jhutchinsNoImNotNineVolt: Removing the telnet daemon is a good way to disable it.  You can always reinstall it.
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20:22.04greycatNoImNotNineVolt: your analogies do NOT change anything I said.  Removing the binaries IS THE STANDARD WAY TO DISABLE UNWANTED SERVICES.  The config files remain.  If you want the service back, you can just reinstall the package.
20:22.07NoImNotNineVoltassuming it was the vanilla one from the debian repo.
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20:22.25NoImNotNineVoltof course, maybe he had a forked telnetd that he no longer has the deb for. and now it's gone. thanks, helpful internet people :P
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20:22.45kdizcould anyone help me find this? ........ 32 bit x86 (ia32) Debian Squeeze, with bash as the default shell and Linux
20:22.45kdizkernel 2.6.
20:22.50greycatYou're making up shit about a custom Debian-Based(tm) distro.  We don't support that.
20:22.53xavier`<PROTECTED>
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20:23.28NoImNotNineVoltgreycat: so since i build and package my own software, my whole debian install is unsupportable by you guys?
20:23.32valdynxavier`: maybe you mean gnome-font-properties - I dont think that exists anymore, thats gnome 2
20:23.56greycatNoImNotNineVolt: You would still have a copy of the .deb on whatever server you built it on.
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20:24.01GPenguintoday seems to be nostalgy day
20:24.01NoImNotNineVoltif you install packages from unofficial sources, it's a "custom Debian-Based(tm) distro"?
20:24.14greycatNoImNotNineVolt: it's not like you, as a custom package developer, would ever DELETE the .deb file after installing it once.
20:24.26NoImNotNineVoltthat's exactly what my ansible scripts do.
20:24.29greycatNoImNotNineVolt: Damn it, why am I feeding the troll?
20:24.32NoImNotNineVoltupload, install, delete.
20:24.32greycatFuck tghis.
20:24.38rwwlooks amused
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20:24.56kdizcould anyone provide a link for ... this ---------> 32 bit x86 (ia32) Debian Squeeze, with bash as the default shell and Linux
20:24.56kdizkernel 2.6.
20:24.57NoImNotNineVoltthe folks in mentors never mentioned that this wasn't the debian way.
20:25.19greycatkdiz: https://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/
20:25.33xavier`greycat : nope. I mean, in gnome-tweak-tool > fonts, one can change 'hinting'... can't you ?
20:25.43GPenguinkdiz: https://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/
20:25.54kdizwhich one will i need to download from there
20:25.56kdizi386?
20:26.02GPenguinyeah
20:26.03greycatkdiz: i386 netinst CD image
20:26.08kdizthank you all!
20:26.23kdizawesome help!
20:26.25valdynxavier`: yea, i can
20:26.47xavier`so... what did you mean
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20:28.21valdynxavier`: why cant you change it? is the dialog missing?
20:28.32xavier`no. I can change. just no effect
20:28.46valdynxavier`: youre running gnome 3 with gnome-shell?
20:29.14xavier`hm. gnome-shell ? hmm.. (newb here)... I guess no
20:29.26valdynxavier`: live skin changes used to require gnome-settings-daemon, now its probably the same or its now gsettings-daemon
20:30.00valdynxavier`: this would run automagically if you used gnome-shell, otherwise you have to start it yourself
20:30.46xavier`so I do not use gnome-shell
20:30.47valdynxavier`: and gtk/gnome programs use that daemon if its running, otherwise they get their skin configuration directly from the config file, and only on startup
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20:31.54xavier`that's half chinese to me valdyn. is there sth i could do ? to get hinting working ?
20:32.16xavier`do you think it is a missign package ?
20:32.17valdynxavier`: i think its working, but you have to start a new gtk/gnome program to see the effect
20:32.30xavier`oh I understand
20:33.10valdynxavier`: the whole gnome/gtk system has 2 configuration mechanisms. One is on startup, using config files, the other is the daemon, enabling runtime changes.
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20:33.39toqsHey I have a drive /dev/sda with an MS-DOS partition table but with no partitions. If execute fdisk -l I get the message:
20:33.39toqsThe device presents a logical sector size that is smaller than the physical sector size. Aligning to a physical sector (or optimal I/O) size boundary is recommended, or performance may be impacted.
20:33.51toqsHow come when the drive is empty?
20:34.18valdynxavier`: except stuff like firefox or openoffice that are not really gtk - those 2 probably wont do runtime skin changes ever
20:34.21toqsSorry I meant, fdisk /dev/sda
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20:37.12valdynxavier`: feel free to look at ~/.config/fontconfig - thats one place those settings are stored - thats easy enough to read
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20:39.01valdyntoqs: thats a hint, telling you to be careful to create partitions at physical sector boundaries
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20:40.27toqsvaldyn: Alright so it is not telling me that something is wrong with my drive?
20:40.34xavier`valdyn, you're right. it works. font changes whithin Tomboy. I thought it didn't work because of no immediate effects. :ashamed:
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20:41.25valdyntoqs: no
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20:42.29toqsvaldyn: Ok thanks for the answer!
20:42.55xavier`thank you valdyn.
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20:54.22DingoSaarI have got a problem. I have installed webmin on Wheezy.
20:54.41DingoSaarOn localhost, I can connect to it.
20:54.43nkuttlerDingoSaar: webmin is not in debian
20:55.13DingoSaarnkuttler, it worked fine until sarge, and webmin still provides .deb files.
20:55.30nkuttlerDingoSaar: if you need help with their packages you should ask them for support
20:55.33DingoSaarIf there is an alternative to Webmin (that is not bloatware) I am happy to try it out.#
20:55.55nkuttler!tell DingoSaar about free whcp
20:56.15DingoSaarnkuttler, I am amazed of the politeness in IRC channels, mostly I like that you can tell a problem before getting "answers".
20:56.29DingoSaarOutside the server, the webmin port is filtered.
20:56.45DingoSaarI configured all I could in webmin. it is not a webmin problem.
20:56.51DingoSaarNow I am running out of options.
20:57.01jhutchinsDingoSaar: Not being able to connect to webmin is an ideal situation.
20:57.09nkuttler^^++
20:57.32DingoSaarIs there anywhere in debian that filters non-standard ports?
20:57.33teraflophaasn: he
20:57.39teraflopups
20:57.51nkuttlerDingoSaar: debian doesn't filter anything by default
20:57.55teraflopI think webmin is toxic
20:58.04nkuttlernobody likes webmin
20:58.30DingoSaaryea, rite. That and 62cents help me sending a letter. I have to provide a frontend.
20:58.45DingoSaarIf there are alternatives I am happy to try them out.
20:58.59nkuttlerDingoSaar: the bot sent you a few pointers
20:59.07jhutchinsDingoSaar: It's a waste of time trying to fix Webmin.  It's more broken than you can fix.  See the private message from dpkg for packages that actually work.
20:59.21DingoSaarMy webhoster had Parallels Plesk; which I find there is REALLY reason to hate.
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20:59.48jhutchinsDingoSaar: The one sure thing about webmin is that it will eventually break your system in ways that even an expert admin can't fix.
21:00.24DingoSaarhmpf... I had it in woody/sarge... didn't do anything ugly...
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21:00.46DingoSaarAnyone experience with GNU panel, or any of the other FLOSSes?
21:00.55teraflopDingoSaar: i have fights with customers about installing webmin, basically I refuse to do that
21:01.01jhutchinsDingoSaar: Please see the private message from dpkg.
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21:01.26DingoSaarjhutchins, and my answer to that is: Anyone experience with GNU panel, or any of the other FLOSSes?
21:01.37NoImNotNineVoltum.
21:01.46NoImNotNineVoltany of the other FLOSSes in general?
21:01.51NoImNotNineVoltthat seems like a very open-ended question.
21:02.02DingoSaarNoImNotNineVolt, sec.
21:02.15DingoSaar<dpkg> nkuttler wants you to know: FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega.  Don't use <Webmin>.  http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels
21:02.33NoImNotNineVoltoh.
21:02.34DingoSaarGNUPanel seems to sound reasonable.
21:02.41NoImNotNineVoltFLOSS webhosting control panels.
21:02.50DingoSaarBut anyone has experience with one of them?
21:02.53jhutchinsDingoSaar: Generally people here expect that you be willing to learn proper console-based administration.  We know that you sometimes have to support users who aren't willing to learn that and to control their options.
21:02.56NoImNotNineVoltyea, i recommend not using one of those.
21:03.20NoImNotNineVoltthey just increase your attack surface for no reason.
21:03.28jhutchinsDingoSaar: My experience with them (and I've managed webmin too) is to avoid using them if you can.
21:03.54NoImNotNineVoltit's like putting training wheels on a civic. there's no reason to, and plenty of reasons not to.
21:03.57teraflop... because it ends in drama
21:03.58jhutchinsDingoSaar: I much prefer that clients contact me and specify what changes they need, and that I do the work.
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21:04.26indroraDingoSaar: I have some experience using Ajenti for similar things. It really depends on what oyu're looking for.
21:04.36DingoSaarMy first "Server" was a Pentium133 I used to connect one computer to DSL. That was 2002. I intalled an X-capable Sarge on a laptop, but after the upgrade between sarge and +1 broke my system, I switched to Gentoo.
21:04.42NoImNotNineVoltin general, panels are a terrible idea.
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21:06.05DingoSaarIt is a non-profit project. I prefer that the people make the work themselves.
21:06.43DingoSaarMy recollection of webmin WAS that it is quite low-level and does not do something perverted... obviously, I stand corrected.
21:07.15DingoSaarRight now, my two main points are: NOT Windows, and NOT Plesk.
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21:08.46frangorhi
21:09.08dyceim on a dedicated server (cant see the grub, don't even know if there is one). how do i update the kernel? i installed the latest but it defaults to the the one that came installed
21:09.39teraflopDingoSaar: something perverted as e.g apache virtual hosts with inmutable bits?
21:09.51teraflopand so on ...
21:10.01dyceif i remove the old one, will it default to the latest?
21:10.46DingoSaarteraflop, well, let's say that on a Pentium-133 from 2002-2007 apache virtual hosts were not that great a concern and leave it at that... ;-)
21:11.27NoImNotNineVoltin 2002, that computer was very obsolete.
21:12.04DingoSaar...and cheap, and very much possible to use as a gateway. With nox, it could really do work.
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21:12.10NoImNotNineVoltcheap?
21:12.18NoImNotNineVoltplease tell me you're kidding.
21:12.20DingoSaarTo learn Debian, I recommend it...
21:12.31NoImNotNineVoltdo you get free electricity or something?
21:12.58DingoSaarNoImNotNineVolt, I once got a replacement part by sending the seller a bar of chocolate Yes, I find that cheap.
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21:13.09DingoSaar..and yes, there, I got free electricity.
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21:13.30NoImNotNineVoltyou should've gone into business reselling electricity then :P
21:13.39NoImNotNineVoltmoney for nothin'.
21:13.54DingoSaarI /think/ the German Federal Defence had objected to that...
21:14.05NoImNotNineVoltanyway, for the cost of 1 month's power consumption on that box, you could get a raspberry pi that sucks down 99% less power.
21:14.32teraflopNoImNotNineVolt: or minnig bitcoins (not with the pentium 133)
21:14.36mtn!off-topic
21:14.36dpkg#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users.  Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic.  Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
21:14.37DingoSaarIf I remember correctly, the first half of the 2000ers were the time where hardware design switched from "more power" to "more efficiency"...
21:14.37NoImNotNineVoltespecially at german electricity prices :P
21:14.48NoImNotNineVoltsorry, thought i was in the other channel :P
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21:15.28jhutchinsI'm afraid we've strayed pretty far from the topic of Debian support here.  Please take it private or to a social channel like #debian-offtopic (which should still be about Debian).
21:15.42DingoSaarahem... 2002. A Pentium-133 sufficed then to compute all BitCoin you could possibly have.#
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21:42.17drwbcsomebody can help me with a question about hard disk hotswap
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21:58.52teclo-Hi, I'm getting mkswap: warning: truncating swap area to 133890kB
21:59.02teclo-when trying to create a 1G swap partition
21:59.23teclo-are swap partitions still limited to 128M like in the days of 2.0.x ?
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22:01.46centrxteclo-, no it should work, is your disk full or something?
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22:05.40teclo-centrx: no there's plenty of space, it's a disk I'm adding
22:05.41teclo-time mkswap -v -c /dev/hdb5
22:05.41teclo-mkswap: warning: truncating swap area to 133890kB
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22:12.33centrxteclo-, What version of Debian are you using?
22:12.45centrxteclo-, All I see on the Internet about this is messages from 2002 about a 2GB limit
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22:17.03ScottEteclo-: does dmesg show any errors?
22:17.08srgI have Transmission (torrent client) on my Xfce desktop. I closed it by hitting the "x" in the corner. However, it still shows up in my process list and it's using network activity. How can I get it "back" ?
22:17.20srgIf I run "transmission-qt" again, it opens a new instance of it.
22:17.45centrxsrg, You may have transmission-daemon running?
22:18.23srg`ps aux | grep trans` shows a single process named "transmission-qt"
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22:19.30centrxsrg, maybe it's going into XFCE's system tray/task bar?
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22:19.54srgYeah I checked there, the icon isn't showing up. It did before
22:19.55srghm
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22:36.42teclo-ah I found what the problem is
22:37.15teclo-I typed -v and -v means "version 0" so it means the old swap filesystem, which was limited to 128M
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22:37.19teclo-so it's my fault, sorry
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22:37.27mircx1hola how i can find explain about install  infobot-web?
22:38.23centrxDownload and compile it, and put it in your home directory or /usr/local ?
22:38.37mircx1yes
22:38.37centrxDoesn't look like there is a package in Debian for it
22:38.46mircx1but is have something command in Terminal?
22:39.46centrxmircx1, correct
22:40.34mircx1?
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22:41.40centrxmircx1, Does this software have a website?
22:42.07centrxmircx1, one tutorial: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/06/install-from-source/
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22:44.13mircx1i have mysql
22:44.17calistodpkg: jessie pool 1
22:44.17dpkg! jellÿ=2016-01-01 gsimmons=2015-08-27 peterrooney=2014-11-11 babīlen=2015-05-23 themíll=2015-06-23 abrötman=2015-07-23
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22:51.47Eduard_MunteanuHow do I bump / add a version suffix to a package I'm building? Altering the changelog didn't seem to do it, at least when re-invoking dh_builddeb
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22:53.03diskfishI am running Jessie which contains libcgi-pm-perl 4.09-1. I need 4.09-2 for fixes related to gitweb. Can I install it from sid somehow without upgrading from Jessie?
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22:55.15centrxdiskfish, yes, you can just download the file for your arch for sid/unstable from packages.debian.org/libcgi-pm-perl
22:55.24centrxinstall with dpkg -i
22:55.57centrxdiskfish, may have to uninstall or update git first, because that's a difference in the dependencies of the two package (Breaks)
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22:57.23diskfishif so, dpkg -i of libcgi-pm-perl would tell me?
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22:57.48centrxyes
22:58.12diskfishI don't understand 'breaks'. FWIU, the new libcgi-pm-perl is required to FIX gitweb (#769960)
22:58.23centrxThe only change in the package looks like it changed the dependencies
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22:59.33centrxto fix bug 767960 SEVEN
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23:00.54diskfishyes, seven
23:01.57centrxAccording to the changelog, this change should not fix anything with libcgi-pm-perl/git, except prevent libcgi-pm-perl from being installed with an incompatible version of git
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23:05.33duckeyIs there a graphical version of recordmydesktop? If not is there a debian wikki?
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23:06.18centrxduckey, https://packages.debian.org/recordmydesktop shows a GTK version
23:06.22dstokeshey guys, i'm trying to create a package with dpkg-buildpackage but it fails on not finding the binary artifacts that i'm generating in debian/rules. where are those files supposed to go?
23:06.29duckeythanks friend
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23:07.07centrxEduard_Munteanu, Try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
23:07.13diskfishcentrx: thanks. I dpkg installed sid's libcgi-pm-perl (4.09-2) and gitweb now works
23:07.16Eduard_MunteanuThanks.
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23:07.24uutopcan someone IN LAYMAN'S term... tell me the difference between debian ISO and CD
23:07.26nucterfIs it possible to boot into just the desktop from a debian CD, and not install? It seems to me like the last time I tried I wasn't able
23:07.51diskfishnucterf: yes, you want the Live CD
23:07.53centrxuutop, an ISO is an image of a disk, a CD is a disk
23:08.11uutopok ty
23:08.11uutop!
23:08.31centrxuutop, ISOs can be made in the form of a CD or DVD or USB, so the DVD one is too big to fit on a CD, etc.
23:09.12nucterfdiskfish: I assume the standard one will do? I accidentally downloaded from the other distros earlier
23:09.39moldydoes a default debian installation include a c compiler?
23:10.18centrxdstokes, Is it in the packaging tutorial or the New Maintainer's Guide? - /msg dpkg nmg
23:10.25jhutchinsmoldy: I don't think so.  A dev environment is a security risk, so it's usually not installed by default.
23:10.42diskfishnucterf: go here for stable live CDs of Wheezy: https://www.debian.org/CD/live/
23:10.54jhutchinsmoldy: You can install build-essential, which has everything including several kitchen sinks.
23:11.01centrxmoldy, You can select the Development tools  task or whatever it's called at installation
23:11.26jhutchinsThat too.
23:12.04moldyjhutchins, centrx: thanks. the reason for my question is actually not "how do i install a build environment?", but literally "is a c compiler installed by default?". i am trying to track down an issue.
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23:12.27ompaulmoldy: and the answer is no
23:12.31nucterfthanks
23:12.44jhutchinsmoldy: I suppose the real question is "is a c compiler installed on this box": dpkg -l
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23:12.55moldyjhutchins, centrx: specifically, i wonder under which conditions running "pip install coverage" in a python virtualenv will not generate coverage's c extension
23:13.10moldyompaul: yup, i can read ;) thanks
23:13.22diskfishnucterf: what are you installing ON?
23:14.13moldyjhutchins: no, the real question is literally the one i asked
23:14.36moldyjhutchins: because i am trying to gather information about the past of a machine, and i did not log stuff with that level of detail
23:14.48dstokescentrx: not from what i can see. talks about using debhelper, but not where the resulting binaries need to go for packaging
23:14.58centrxmoldy, yes you usually want to install build-essential and python-dev or somesuch
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23:15.44moldycentrx: i tried to reproduce the issue, and apt-get purging build-essential and python-dev did not reproduce it
23:15.49moldycentrx: but apt-get purging gcc did
23:16.16uutopcould anyone point me in the direction of IRC chat channel for setting up DHCP server for Debian Squeeze
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23:16.28uutopor would that be here?
23:16.28centrxmoldy, removing/purging a metapackage like build-essential will not necessarily remove the packages it depends on like gcc
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23:16.55centrxmoldy, I think the gcc -base package is in the Required priority so it's usually installed
23:18.15centrxuutop, The channel for the DHCP server you are setting up will probably have more expertise at configuring it
23:18.16ompaulapt-cache depends gcc and apt-cache rdepends gcc might be informative for wherever you are looking forward and back - I used gcc as an example
23:18.24ompaulit could be for anything
23:18.47moldycentrx: that's exactly my question. the upstream author doubts that a missing c compiler was the issue, but so far, i cannot imagine what else could have been the problem
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23:18.55centrxuutop, https://wiki.debian.org/DHCP_Server
23:19.16uutopthank you @centrx
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23:42.46snadgeso this ssl update.. does it affect jessie ?
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23:55.38ompaulsnadge: apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade :)
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