00:00.10 | Tau | that is what i get. |
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00:00.44 | acz32 | it's wireless you want to get working, right? |
00:00.50 | Tau | yes. |
00:00.51 | acz32 | and it's internet wifi adapter, not external |
00:00.55 | acz32 | internal* |
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00:01.01 | Tau | it is an internal adapter. |
00:01.20 | acz32 | you installed firmware-realtek? |
00:01.24 | Tau | i did. |
00:01.59 | Tau | i need it working for my job tomorrow. |
00:02.02 | acz32 | strange |
00:02.11 | Tau | yes. |
00:02.12 | t4nk942 | hey acz32, everything's back fine. chsh -s $(which zsh) while su did it. I mixed sh and bash, which YOU helped me find |
00:02.16 | Tau | i'm afraid. |
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00:02.56 | lefedy | Sorry.... just logged on. What is the adapter you are trying to get working? |
00:02.57 | t4nk942 | (sorry error zsh -> bash) |
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00:03.34 | lefedy | It's not a builtin nic? |
00:03.54 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
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00:05.12 | acz32 | Tau: did you check whether it's supported? https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi#PCI_Devices |
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00:06.45 | Tau | i think it is. |
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00:07.21 | Tau | the lan bot in bios is disabled. |
00:07.24 | Tau | should i enable it? |
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00:32.32 | lefedy | hello again |
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00:33.08 | maazu | hi |
00:33.13 | lefedy | I'm having trouble with bluetooth on 7.8... can anyone help? |
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00:33.45 | lefedy | My graphics driver wasn't working so I'm using a backports kernel.... but now my bluetooth wont work |
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00:34.31 | maazu | i'm using Fedora 20 kernel-3.18.9 and bluetooth did not work |
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00:34.58 | maazu | maybe i dont have a recognized hardware, so bluez did not find any bluetooth enabled hardware |
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00:35.17 | lefedy | I'm on 3.16.0 |
00:35.21 | lefedy | debian |
00:35.56 | lefedy | Looking through dmesg, I saw that mine recognized the hardware... but the firmware isn't loading |
00:35.58 | maazu | hrm... bluetooth is not working then |
00:36.15 | lefedy | You wouldn't be using a toshiba by any chance? |
00:36.30 | maazu | lefedy: the lsusb does show up but bluetooth don't recognize it |
00:36.42 | maazu | lefedy: HP notebook |
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00:37.57 | lefedy | What BT adapter do you have builtin? |
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00:38.18 | lefedy | ....mine is trying to use ath3k |
00:38.45 | maazu | bluetooth FCC ID VQF-RT3290 |
00:39.08 | maazu | HP Pavilion 15 |
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00:39.31 | lefedy | ok... not even sure if we have anything close. :-) still.. we both have no working bluetooth. |
00:39.58 | maazu | agree |
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00:40.58 | lefedy | I have a kind of new computer and have had nightmares getting debian running on it. It's been like what it was 10 years ago, trying to get a computer setup with LInux. |
00:41.17 | lefedy | One thign after another... |
00:41.27 | maazu | when i do lspci: 08:00.1 Bluetooth: Ralink corp. RT3290 Bluetooth |
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00:42.39 | maazu | lsmod shows bnep bluetooth mods loaded |
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00:43.30 | maazu | dmesg|grep -i bluetooth |
00:43.51 | maazu | does show BNEP sockets initialized |
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00:44.41 | maazu | gotta go |
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00:44.58 | lefedy | ok... hope you get things going |
00:45.32 | lefedy | BNEP here too |
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00:50.12 | lefedy | Anyone out there have trouble getting ath3k to work? |
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00:53.52 | pere_ | hi |
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00:54.58 | lefedy | Hi. For how many people are in here, its hard to get help. |
00:55.16 | srg | lefedy: It's a bad time at night |
00:55.21 | srg | timezones and such |
00:55.25 | pere_ | I dunno why my alpha networks 1000mw goes so slow in Debian Wheezy. My kernel is 3.2.0-4-amd64. Anyone has have this problem too? Thank you |
00:55.27 | lefedy | Ah, ic |
00:56.01 | lefedy | I think I'm going to give up and just install windows ME |
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00:57.01 | lefedy | Well, I think instead of messing with backports, I should just install testing. |
00:57.21 | lefedy | Any input? |
00:57.21 | srg | I run testing on my laptop |
00:57.25 | srg | and a VPS |
00:57.28 | lefedy | Is it pretty stable? |
00:57.45 | srg | I prefer testing over stable. The only downside is that testing does not get security updates like stable does |
00:57.53 | srg | yeah, I've never really had problems with it |
00:57.56 | lefedy | I'm not too concerned with security. |
00:58.09 | srg | I check/install updates usually daily |
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00:58.22 | lefedy | I tried Ubuntu for a while and that was worse that Debian testing :-) |
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00:58.46 | srg | Right now, testing is in a weird state because they're getting ready to release Jessie, but it usually is quick to be updated |
00:58.52 | srg | I'm also not a fan of Ubuntu, heh |
00:58.58 | polyphagia | ubuntu is based on sid with some QA testing but i think that's just a folk tale |
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00:59.59 | lefedy | I wasn't a fan either. I liked the fact that drivers pretty much worked but so much of the rest of the system was glitchy. I use my laptop for freelance work. I can't be messing around with things like that. |
01:00.41 | lefedy | polyphagia: Linux folk lore is the best. |
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01:02.19 | lefedy | Sad to say. It was easier to install linux on my mac than this Toshiba. |
01:05.10 | lefedy | off to install testing |
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01:50.35 | pvl1 | hey all, im sitting with a raspberrypi for which we got a touchscreen tft display. I cannot figure out what is starting lxde. i think its consolekit, but how do i change what it loads |
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02:07.56 | un214 | have several hundred, should be 2 |
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03:07.50 | RLa | how to install kde in debian jessie, there is no kde-core package anymore? |
03:08.24 | dvs | ,v kde-core |
03:08.26 | judd | Package: kde-core on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66 |
03:08.32 | dvs | guess not |
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03:09.45 | pirithous | is there a way to generate a new crontab file which contains the examples? mine is completely blank |
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03:15.00 | pirithous | crontab -r |
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03:16.01 | un214 | RLa: apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop |
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03:20.08 | themill | !install kde |
03:20.08 | dpkg | The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". |
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03:21.29 | pirithous | what is Debian 7.8 using for the init system? |
03:22.59 | themill | pirithous: you can use sysvinit or systemd (from wheezy-backports) |
03:23.15 | pirithous | themill: but what is installed by default? |
03:23.52 | themill | sysvinit -- but do remember that defaults only matter if you don't change them and if you don't go the effort of changing them they clearly don't matter to you... |
03:24.29 | pirithous | thanks but stupid analogy |
03:25.06 | pirithous | obviously if they didn't matter I wouldn't be asking |
03:25.09 | themill | Not at all. Just because gnome is the default desktop on debian doesn't make debian a gnome distribution |
03:25.21 | themill | The default is irrelevant. |
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04:04.26 | AlexLikeRock | a good podcast manager/downloader ? |
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04:09.09 | kingsley_ | AlexLikeRock: bashposer |
04:09.19 | AlexLikeRock | tks |
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04:41.42 | Aaruni | I'm having troubles with x forwarding over ssh. "aaruni@VyomDroplet:~$ iceweasel |
04:41.42 | Aaruni | Error: no display specified". When I do "aaruni@VyomDroplet:~$ export DISPLAY=aaruni.x64.me:0.0" and try to run iceweasel again, it seems to run, but I see no display. |
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04:48.09 | shay_shay | pirithous: thats not a stupid analogy, debian does not force users into certain paths that is a paradigm you may be used to from other distros where only those predetermined paths are tested but debian in my experience is more choose-your-own-adventure |
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04:49.35 | shay_shay | I'm late, I know |
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05:06.30 | pirithous | shay_shay: yes it is |
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05:32.27 | mjkr | what's the difference between mips and mipsel in arch? |
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05:37.03 | mak_ | hello i need help |
05:37.16 | Guest53302 | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.debian.org wheezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
05:37.22 | Guest53302 | how to solve this error |
05:37.30 | Guest53302 | please help me |
05:37.41 | mjkr | and is there a file on a debian system that records the <archname> of the system? |
05:39.23 | Guest53302 | hello |
05:39.27 | Guest53302 | please help me |
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05:47.00 | Shadow_7 | mjkr: lsb_release -a |
05:47.23 | mjkr | i don't have lsb_release here... |
05:47.26 | Shadow_7 | mjkr: but not really a file per say. /etc/issue and others if default motd / message of the day hasn't been changed. |
05:47.40 | Shadow_7 | mjkr: uname -a |
05:47.58 | mjkr | Shadow_7: Linux ubnt 3.10.20-UBNT #1 SMP Thu Oct 16 16:29:39 PDT 2014 mips64 GNU/Linux |
05:48.07 | mjkr | it says mips64 not sure if it's mips or mipsel |
05:48.15 | Shadow_7 | not really definitive, but details to help hint in on things. |
05:48.39 | Shadow_7 | ubnt would imply ubuntu? |
05:49.24 | Shadow_7 | mjkr: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
05:49.35 | Shadow_7 | might help clue in on arch |
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05:49.52 | Shadow_7 | otherwise file on some bins or libs might clue in |
05:50.03 | mjkr | uhm, i actually found this dpkg --print-architecture |
05:50.08 | mjkr | turns out to be mips |
05:50.20 | mjkr | they should really merge mips/mipsel |
05:50.54 | Shadow_7 | I wonder if that warrior cpu thing was just vaporware from the new owners of mips |
05:51.43 | Shadow_7 | I was kind of hoping for a pi like mips device. But I've heard of other quirks with older gcc versions to even compile mips. |
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05:52.38 | master | no clue |
05:52.45 | master | linux makes sense to me |
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05:53.09 | master | i can navigate almost every major distro with ease for accomplishing almost anything i'd need to do in an enterprise environment |
05:53.17 | master | have been that way for many years |
05:53.19 | master | then the other day |
05:53.27 | master | i download debian. and that stopped being the case. |
05:53.28 | Shadow_7 | 4.2 or some such? might just be a bsd thing. I like the prospect of the same os from the same sources on "ALL" my devices. |
05:53.44 | master | i cant tell if everything is backwards or if im just having a massive, 2 week long brainfart |
05:54.30 | Shadow_7 | I find debian easy, but kind of vested in apt and dpkg experience wise. I find any non .deb based distro difficult. |
05:55.02 | Shadow_7 | apt-file apt-cache and other things just make it easy to find things by package or file name when I need to. |
05:55.04 | master | i find it ridiculously and unnecessarily complicated |
05:55.40 | master | with a very simple result, notably |
05:55.43 | Shadow_7 | I like the --real-words of the syntax tbh. Or at least the modernization of old things that way. |
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05:56.29 | Shadow_7 | things like pacman where you have to remember characters and the CaSe of them is lame IMO. |
05:57.25 | master | agreed |
05:57.32 | master | that should never have happened |
05:57.41 | master | but moving from centos has been really eyeopening |
05:58.07 | Shadow_7 | but I don't do much server stuff and my hardware tends to be old, so debian is a good fit. |
05:58.26 | master | i am not thoroughly disappointed |
05:58.29 | master | im just |
05:58.43 | master | theres a lot of complexity to read through |
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05:58.48 | Shadow_7 | plus the default configs seem a little saner to me |
05:58.51 | master | that just isn't there usually |
05:58.56 | master | they are |
05:59.14 | master | i also really like the community feedback mechanisms built in |
05:59.24 | master | theyre doing some things right |
05:59.48 | master | but 12 tools to manage packages goes against everything someone trained on just about any other distro knows |
05:59.50 | Shadow_7 | and making your own .debs for things you install yourself is nice and simple (for me). |
06:00.10 | master | It needs one tool. |
06:00.13 | Shadow_7 | it's just nice to know that when I remove said package, ALL the files can be removed. |
06:00.33 | master | i thought the config files stay if you remove |
06:00.41 | master | theres another command to use for all files |
06:00.49 | Shadow_7 | master: by default... but you can --purge to remove them. |
06:00.53 | master | yep |
06:01.25 | master | so maybe you can give me a nudge in the right direction |
06:01.29 | Shadow_7 | and I can dpkg --purge things if I intend to re-install and don't want to remove any dependencies. |
06:01.33 | master | i need a version of xrdp with XKB support |
06:01.47 | master | the one in debian wheezy stable doesn't have that compile option |
06:01.50 | Shadow_7 | master: you can apt-get source and compile. |
06:02.27 | Shadow_7 | which will have the debian/rules stuff so you can package it too. |
06:02.44 | master | is there a simple howto thats current you can link me to on that? |
06:03.30 | Shadow_7 | i don't know about links... but ./cofigure && fakeroot debian/rules binary ... or similar syntax. |
06:03.58 | Shadow_7 | assumes build-essentials devscripts and other things are installed |
06:04.26 | Shadow_7 | kernel-package and make-kpkg if you do a kernel. |
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06:04.48 | Shadow_7 | it's pretty cut and paste-able from most google hits. |
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06:06.10 | Shadow_7 | or google on debian mentor or debian maintainer if you want the more long winded descriptions. |
06:06.39 | master | meh. ill have to wait until im further along in the debian documentation |
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06:08.18 | Shadow_7 | you could always just compile it and change the link /etc/alternative/... to use your version. |
06:08.28 | Shadow_7 | in whatever location you compiled it in |
06:08.47 | Shadow_7 | subject to breakage with updates, but functional. |
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08:36.14 | Filystyn | guys are there some memory diagnostics test in debian or anything like that? |
08:36.29 | Qantourisc | Filystyn: non specific go debian |
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08:36.38 | Qantourisc | Filystyn: check memtester86 and memtest iirc |
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08:36.58 | Qantourisc | memtester run in user-space while kernel is running |
08:37.04 | Qantourisc | but can only test part of your memory |
08:37.23 | Qantourisc | memtest86 runs as a kernel, should be in boot menu iirc, if not install |
08:37.50 | ChrisH | aptitude search memtest |
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08:52.52 | duckey | Is there a john gui or a user manual for the package "john" ? |
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08:55.34 | towo^work | http://www.openwall.com/john/doc/ |
08:55.52 | dvda | Can someone answer me how I can install an amd64 debian on an uefi machine using the non uefi grub? I keep having problems with uefi.... I have the legacy bios mode on my computer, too. Why can I not just simply choose to not use uefi? |
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08:56.21 | darxmurf | dvda: are you booting with a CD or USB ? |
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08:56.26 | dvda | Usb |
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08:57.05 | darxmurf | in your boot menu, you have 2 entries ? UEFI USB Drive and LEGACY USB Drive ? |
08:57.14 | darxmurf | or you can disable UEFI in your BIOS I think |
08:57.29 | dvda | I turn off uefi to boot up, anyway. I already installed the system three times seeing what it would do ... |
08:57.46 | darxmurf | but what's the issue with UEFI ? |
08:58.03 | dvda | Well, I run legacy bios to boot up the USB stick but the installer still seems to be for uefi |
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08:58.34 | darxmurf | it should not |
08:58.35 | duckey | thanks |
08:59.09 | dvda | First, uefi kept giving me the recovery screen. When trying to set it up, it told me vmlinuz had an invalid signature |
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09:00.31 | darxmurf | if you disable UEFI in your BIOS and boot in legacy mode, it should be fine during installation and all. Then use MBR instead of GPT for your disk partition table |
09:00.31 | dvda | After now formatting everything and reinstalling, uefi doesn't recognize any bootable devices. Legacy bios does but can't since the installer will only install the uefi version |
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09:00.45 | darxmurf | UEFI needs GPT |
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09:01.11 | dvda | Well, if I try to boot the USB stick with uefi on, my computer won't let it. |
09:02.01 | darxmurf | some USB keys are a pain with UEFI |
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09:02.06 | dvda | Well, I don't find an option for it to make an MBR |
09:02.07 | darxmurf | last time I had to use a CD :-/ |
09:02.40 | dvda | I burned it on a CD first, but neither uefi mode nor legacy bios mode would let it boot up. |
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09:03.49 | owh | Debian Wheezy LibreOffice started popping up menus away from the mouse, on a different monitor. Yesterday it decided to no-longer show them at all. I've purged LibreOffice and reinstalled, not a fun experience, and it's still happening. When I turn all monitors off except one, all goes back to normal. Ideas? |
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09:04.36 | dvda | Oh. It does boot up now. But again, I booted up with legacy bios and it says "UEFI installer" in the corner |
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09:04.47 | zxcvbn | how to enable early keyboard during init sequence? using sysVinit, I need to login to system before all services are started, dont want to wait for display manager login screen |
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09:05.49 | dvda | Hmm, did you also install the libreoffice configuration folder in your home directory, owh? |
09:05.53 | darxmurf | dvda: do yo have an embedded CD-DVD drive in your laptop or are you using an external ? |
09:05.55 | dvda | Remove* |
09:06.05 | dvda | Internal |
09:06.57 | darxmurf | and in you BIOS you disabled UEFI boot ? and did set LEGACY as primary boot mode ? |
09:07.09 | dvda | I did |
09:07.24 | darxmurf | and how did you create your USB boot key ? |
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09:07.51 | owh | dvda: If I rename ~/.config/libreoffice to .config/libreoffice.off it creates a new one but fails to launch. Launch from the commandline shows nothing. If I rename ~/.openoffice/3 to ~/.openoffice/off, there is no change and no new profile is created. |
09:07.59 | dvda | I should note that I'm installing Jessie, the ~200 MB Internet installer image |
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09:09.13 | owh | dvda: This seems to be a window manager issue. I recently lost a monitor, so I'm one down. It's possible the the window manager and LibreOffice are not playing nice. Stuffed if I can figure out how. |
09:09.58 | dvda | Hmm, yeah. I see. But I doubt libreoffice would use OpenOffice files. But you could try another window manager and see if that helps. |
09:10.35 | owh | dvda: Hrm. That's not a fun idea. Is there a store that Gnome uses to remember window positions? |
09:11.15 | dvda | Would certainly show whether it's the window manager's fault or not, though. That'd be a start. |
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09:11.58 | owh | If I turn off all but one monitor, all goes back to normal. I wasn't aware that LO was aware of monitors. |
09:12.28 | dvda | Darxmurf : I just used dd to copy the image onto the USB stick, but it's not the USB sticks fault. The CD does the same thing. |
09:14.14 | darxmurf | it's weird |
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09:14.33 | darxmurf | if you disable all those UEFI stuff, it should go for legacy and that's it |
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09:15.06 | darxmurf | but else, when you install it with UEFI, I think you have to create a UEFI BOOT partition, something like 50mb in the begining of your disk |
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09:15.23 | dvda | I remember having installed suse on a uefi machine once and it at least gave me the option whether I wanted to install the uefi grub or not. |
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09:16.17 | owh | darxmurf: I've seen several devices that you cannot coerce into doing anything than boot off the internal drive, even with all the legacy stuff turned on, it simply won't play. dvda, what hardware is this? |
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09:16.49 | dvda | Yeah, I have. I let it manage my partitions automatically, guessing it would set everything up the right way with grub and everything. The partition exists. Uefi won't recognize the hard disk anymore. |
09:16.58 | dvda | Bios will. Why? No idea. |
09:17.34 | darxmurf | which laptop is it ? |
09:17.38 | dvda | It's an acer laptop. Like one year old. |
09:17.48 | darxmurf | BIOS update avilable ? |
09:18.21 | darxmurf | and by the way did you try with wheezy or testing ? |
09:18.24 | dvda | Had other distributions on it, but they would set up uefi alright. |
09:18.51 | dvda | As I said, it's a network installer for Jessie (I. E. testing) |
09:18.54 | owh | dvda: Can you use an old installer to set-up the drive and the new installer to install the OS. |
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09:19.23 | owh | dvda: That way you can lodge a bug report ;-) |
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09:20.31 | dvda | Could try out a wheezy installer some time and see if it'll do any good. If needed, I can change the sources.list into getting the Jessie packages |
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09:21.23 | dvda | Yeah, well, I can't do much right now. Got no other computer I could burn stuff on for now, sadly |
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09:22.12 | darxmurf | Is there an option in samba server to set a timeout on inactives connexions ? |
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09:22.15 | owh | dvda: You could boot from your Jessie installer, go to a command-line, wget an image, burn it to a USB key, etc... |
09:23.26 | dvda | It's a network installer. Only got like a busybox |
09:23.31 | dvda | Oh, it has when |
09:23.38 | dvda | Wget and dd* |
09:23.45 | owh | :-) |
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09:28.23 | bddy | Hi. I need to create a rootfs to be used with chroot. And into that rootfs I need to install packages from different repositories. Is it posible to do with debootstrap? |
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09:34.54 | z8z | any of you knows some micro pendrive compatible with debian free OS drivers? |
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09:35.53 | mjt | micro pendrive? What do you mean? |
09:36.23 | zxcvbn | bddy: yes. but be sure that rootfs is mounted without "nodev, noexec, nosuid" |
09:36.45 | z8z | http://www.ebay.it/itm/Corriere-48h-Chiavetta-Pendrive-MINI-Micro-SanDisk-Ultra-Fit-3-0-16GB-REGALO-/221714315580?pt=Memorie_USB_e_Pen_Drive&hash=item339f33f93c |
09:36.50 | z8z | something like this shape |
09:37.05 | zxcvbn | you can debootstrap minimal system, then chroot, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and install packages |
09:37.20 | z8z | but wireless pen |
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09:38.15 | z8z | mjt: many out there but failed to find a single one working with debian free OS drivers |
09:38.36 | mjt | z8z: that one works just fine on debian, and I bet any usb storage device will. I use several of them here. |
09:38.59 | mjt | it works with standard usb-storage driver |
09:39.06 | z8z | mjt: no that was just example of the shape.... i need wireless pen with that shape |
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09:39.19 | mjt | ah, wireless. |
09:39.32 | z8z | mjt: i can't find anything small like that |
09:39.57 | watmm | Varnish is being super confusing. I'm using set req.http.grace = "full" but for some reason only the ttl from s-maxage is being used. Even when i explicitly set grace to 24h. Any ideas? |
09:39.58 | mjt | (wireless of that shape are usually quite bad because of the tiny size of antenna, but that's another thing) |
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09:40.39 | z8z | mjt: i know but the distance with router is really short and already have for windows and working ok |
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09:57.14 | Kiryx | Hello |
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09:57.36 | Kiryx | I have been running Debian 7 (stable) almost since the release |
09:58.07 | Kiryx | I need to update some packages to newer versions, for that I would like to switch to debian testing repo |
09:58.31 | Kiryx | Is it very likely that my system will break after all this time ? |
09:59.03 | Kiryx | e.g. I have probably installed a lot of packages and dependencies over the last few years |
09:59.03 | nkuttler | Kiryx: not very likely, but quite possible |
09:59.21 | nkuttler | Kiryx: which packages do you need to upgrade? there might be backports for them |
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10:00.06 | Kiryx | mainly steam |
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10:01.07 | Kiryx | i dont think it was backported |
10:01.29 | nkuttler | Kiryx: oh, if it's a private computer i'd just upgrade it to testing. assuming you can afford a day of downtime in the worst case |
10:01.40 | nkuttler | make sure to read the release notes |
10:02.02 | Kiryx | do people run testing on private computers ? |
10:02.14 | nkuttler | i surely do |
10:02.18 | Kiryx | I see |
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10:02.23 | nkuttler | and only stable in production. |
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10:03.04 | Kiryx | can I assure that this process is somehow reversible ? |
10:03.26 | Kiryx | e.g. downtime for me will probably mean reinstalling the os... -.- |
10:03.56 | Kiryx | I don't even have other computer or OS which I could boot into to check for solution |
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10:07.41 | jelly | Kiryx: it's not reversible at all. |
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10:11.26 | darxmurf | Is there an option in samba server to set a timeout/kill on inactives connexions ? |
10:11.35 | z8z | Kiryx: i bet new debian 8 will be out soon ... by now should be mature enought https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/8d3a6bf73ab7e1a86e4ce117d93a536d.png |
10:15.13 | kaddy_ | darxmurf: the option is in smb.conf |
10:15.32 | kaddy_ | darxmurf: under "deadtime" I believe |
10:16.47 | kaddy_ | https://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/manpages-3/smb.conf.5.html |
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10:18.13 | darxmurf | sweet ! |
10:18.14 | darxmurf | thanks ! |
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10:20.08 | Qantourisc | How well does debian support custom kernel and initramfs ? |
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10:23.34 | celexi | fine for most part, but i would guess gentoo is better for that |
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10:24.09 | Qantourisc | celexi: wel yes, i like gentoo, however, the package db has been having too many issues in the last years |
10:24.40 | Qantourisc | as in tons of conflicts, so i'm looking at arch/gentoo/debian/exherbo |
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10:25.25 | MaxFrames | hello |
10:25.43 | MaxFrames | I need to double check an rc.local scriptlet which does not work as expected |
10:25.45 | Qantourisc | celexi: also, where can i find lvm-static in debian ? |
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10:26.01 | MaxFrames | I need to grep a file and IF the text is found THEN send a mail |
10:26.05 | FransUrbo | Any of the partman-base devels online? |
10:26.11 | MaxFrames | I'll pastebin it as it is |
10:26.39 | Qantourisc | MaxFrames: i'd use crontab for that, unless you want it on boot only |
10:26.49 | MaxFrames | boot only |
10:26.52 | MaxFrames | let me pastebin it |
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10:27.24 | Qantourisc | then roughly: grep file if $? ; send mail (fergot what tool to use to send mail) |
10:27.57 | MaxFrames | http://pastebin.com/n4CidQmB |
10:28.18 | MaxFrames | what happens is that the email is sent even if the file does not contain a "0" |
10:28.28 | Qantourisc | MaxFrames: ofcours |
10:28.31 | MaxFrames | (the file consists of a single byte, either 1 or 0) |
10:28.57 | Qantourisc | MaxFrames: your far better off usig the return codes imo |
10:28.59 | MaxFrames | not sure about the ; after the path and why it was put there |
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10:29.15 | MaxFrames | is it correct to have the ; before the "then"? |
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10:29.19 | Qantourisc | man grep -> EXIT STATUS |
10:29.25 | Qantourisc | Normally the exit status is 0 if a line is selected, 1 if no lines were selected, and 2 if an error occurred. |
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10:29.39 | darxmurf | <PROTECTED> |
10:29.51 | fraff | MaxFrames: pretty sure you have to echo something | mail -s or the mail won't be sent |
10:30.00 | darxmurf | but I would use : echo "blah" | mail -s "subject" address@blah.com |
10:30.00 | MaxFrames | yes sorry |
10:30.10 | MaxFrames | I omitted it |
10:30.24 | MaxFrames | it is indeed like darxmurf wrote |
10:30.46 | MaxFrames | the problem is, the mail is sent even if the file does not contain a "0" |
10:30.53 | FransUrbo | How do I get an invite to #debian-devel? |
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10:31.08 | MaxFrames | so basically I get the email at every reboot, which is not expected |
10:31.26 | Qantourisc | MaxFrames: again, i recommend to use the return codes of grep, not the stdout |
10:32.02 | Qantourisc | this will also allow to detect errors |
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10:32.06 | Qantourisc | like file not found |
10:32.07 | fraff | Qantourisc: that is what he does |
10:32.19 | MaxFrames | can you pastebin a revised code? |
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10:33.53 | Qantourisc | fraff: my bad :/ |
10:34.02 | Qantourisc | fraff: i don't do bash a lot :) |
10:34.30 | MaxFrames | it's /bin/sh/ does it matter? |
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10:34.45 | Qantourisc | MaxFrames: at this point i recommend running the script now, and see if it works now |
10:34.54 | Qantourisc | MaxFrames: not sure, doubt it |
10:35.23 | MaxFrames | nothing has changed in the script, why should it behave any different? |
10:35.29 | MaxFrames | it will send the email... |
10:35.38 | Qantourisc | even if the file contains a 0 ? |
10:35.53 | MaxFrames | if it contains a 0 it is supposed to send the email |
10:35.54 | fraff | MaxFrames: if a mail is sent each reboot, maybe your file contains a 0 on each reboot |
10:36.08 | MaxFrames | no, I've checked... the file currently contains a 1 |
10:36.15 | Qantourisc | MaxFrames: try running grep -q '0' /home/myuser/somepath/somefile.txt; echo $? now, |
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10:38.36 | MaxFrames | ok the file now contains a 1 |
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10:39.00 | MaxFrames | so the result of the above command is 1 |
10:39.09 | Qantourisc | ow wait |
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10:39.15 | Qantourisc | send mail if file == 0 ? |
10:39.29 | MaxFrames | it's correct.... 1 means "no matches" doesn't it? |
10:39.45 | Qantourisc | if grep returns $?==0 => match found |
10:39.57 | Qantourisc | if it returns 1 => no match foind |
10:39.57 | MaxFrames | yes. it's returning correct results |
10:39.59 | Qantourisc | 2 => Error |
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10:40.16 | Qantourisc | so if you want to send a mail when it's 0 |
10:40.30 | MaxFrames | file contains a "1"; if I grep "1" I get "0" (match found); if I grep "0" I get "1" (no match found) |
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10:40.55 | MaxFrames | I want to send a mail when grep 0 returns 0 (match found, the file contains a 0) |
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10:43.49 | Qantourisc | MaxFrames: then you want to invert the grep |
10:44.02 | Qantourisc | MaxFrames: right now it sends mail when it doesn't contain 0 |
10:44.17 | Qantourisc | (if i got that rightà |
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10:46.12 | MaxFrames | I'll try, thx |
10:46.27 | Qantourisc | MaxFrames: just run the code in your head |
10:46.37 | Qantourisc | and look at EXIT CODES in the manpage of grep |
10:46.42 | Qantourisc | also do some tests :p |
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10:48.48 | darxmurf | no |
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10:48.55 | darxmurf | it's fine |
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10:49.31 | darxmurf | if grep -q '0' file1; then echo "I mail";fi |
10:49.35 | darxmurf | just try like this |
10:50.34 | Qantourisc | darxmurf: omg, i must be suffering brain damage |
10:50.41 | darxmurf | so, this is fine too : if grep -q '0' file1; then echo "blah" | mail -s "match found" address@mail.com ;fi |
10:51.11 | darxmurf | it's not about the return code |
10:51.31 | darxmurf | <PROTECTED> |
10:51.33 | Qantourisc | yea swapped 0 and 1 somehow, sorry |
10:51.41 | darxmurf | as grep returns OK, it will enter the if |
10:52.14 | darxmurf | lunch time here, see you later |
10:52.34 | Qantourisc | bon apetit :) |
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10:59.12 | Qantourisc | Anyone using debian + lvm can check if /sbin/lvm is statically linked or dynamically linked for me ? |
11:00.00 | Qantourisc | file /sbin/lvm would say |
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11:00.44 | petn-randall | Qantourisc: It's dynamically linked. Why do you ask? |
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11:01.02 | Qantourisc | petn-randall: custom initramfs, its a lot easier with statically linked bins |
11:02.08 | petn-randall | Qantourisc: The default initramfs covers LVM properly, just take a look how it's done there. |
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11:04.46 | Qantourisc | petn-randall: don't have a debian with initramfs atm ? (must be on the the vm's host server ?) |
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11:05.57 | Qantourisc | hmm i could actually just install it, doesn't have grub anyway |
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11:10.33 | mjkr | what is the corrected version of this line "debootstrap --arch i386 wheezy /srv/chroot/wheezy http://http.debian.net/debian" in https://wiki.debian.org/chroot ? |
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11:10.46 | mjkr | it turns out http://http.debian.net/debian doesn't exist |
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11:20.29 | jaggz- | how do I go about adding something to the system so I can telnet to a port and trigger a binary? |
11:21.06 | jaggz- | like if I wanted telnet ip 2626 to run "echo go away" |
11:21.44 | jaggz- | I used to make a script and add it to xinetd.conf.. but now I believe I have to use systemd (but I'm trying to figure out how..) |
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11:37.16 | GPenguin | jaggz-: out of curiousity - you want to create a service _like_ telnet that listens on a custom port and executes a command as soon as somebody connects. OR: you want to connect _with_ telnet to your telnet daemon and execute a command as soon as you connect? |
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11:39.44 | jaggz- | GPenguin: want to connect with telnet (or netcat or something).. |
11:39.58 | jaggz- | the service itself shouldn't care about ports.. it'll be a script which runs mpg123 |
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11:40.19 | blackflow | Hello. I've set up chrooted SFTP access pretty much like described in the debian-administration.org article, and it works fine. But I can't get SFTP commands to log, despite the -l INFO or -l VERBOSE args to internal-sftp. |
11:40.28 | jaggz- | telnet alarmhost someport; should trigger it to sound the alarm |
11:40.31 | GPenguin | what do you mean by "should not care about ports"? |
11:40.42 | GPenguin | ah |
11:40.53 | jaggz- | meaning, as simple as possible.. like "echo hi" doesn't "care about ports".. |
11:41.13 | jaggz- | no sockets or port handling in the script itself :) |
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11:46.24 | blackflow | Any ideas why sshd setting "Subsystem sftp internal-sftp -l VERBOSE" does not result with verbose (sftp command) logging? |
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11:47.49 | GPenguin | jaggz-: i would (only if i have to avoid ssh) setup the telnet daemon to listen on 2626 and add a user to the system with "/path/script" instead of "/bin/bash" as command shell and see |
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11:48.55 | GPenguin | but you'd need to ensure that the user is locked in /path/script |
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11:50.16 | Tenkawa | chroot them |
11:51.48 | xreal | Why does anyone tell me to use "UUIDs" for fstab? That's no good at all. When reformatting the disk and playback a backup via rsync, anything will break. Why not use "LABEL" ? |
11:51.50 | Tenkawa | GPenguin: would you agree> |
11:51.58 | xreal | I've read, FSTAB also supports "LABEL=" |
11:53.30 | Tenkawa | xreal: a lot of it is preference and tool/app compatibility |
11:53.36 | GPenguin | Tenkawa: yes :) |
11:53.42 | Tenkawa | I still use traditional full device names |
11:53.58 | xreal | Tenkawa: you mean the full HDD name? |
11:54.18 | xreal | Tenkawa: that's the same problem: when changing the disk, it'll break. |
11:54.24 | Tenkawa | GPenguin: yeah figured if they created a chroot that would save them some confusion if something changes too |
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11:54.40 | Tenkawa | xreal: changing or adding/removing> |
11:54.42 | Tenkawa | er? |
11:55.05 | Tenkawa | the device node will still be the same as long as you replace it in the same spot |
11:55.17 | Tenkawa | you can use udev to force the behaviour too |
11:55.46 | xreal | playing around with udev is harder than just labeling /dev/sda2 as "root" :D |
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11:56.00 | Tenkawa | not for me it hasnt been |
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12:12.08 | xreal | I want to create my own boot entry for GRUB. Where's the right place for it in order *not* to get into problems with Debian's grub-scripts? |
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12:12.39 | xreal | Is it /etc/grub.d/40_custom ? |
12:12.45 | GPenguin | yes |
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12:13.28 | xreal | GPenguin: But this will be at the end of the generated "grub.conf" won't it? |
12:13.47 | xreal | GPenguin: I want my new menuitem to be default/at the beginning. |
12:14.03 | xreal | Ah, there's GRUB_DEFAULT= |
12:14.10 | GPenguin | nods |
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12:14.29 | Tenkawa | bbl... cheers all |
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12:27.26 | xreal | Anyone with an idea, how I can check if a UUID, disk or label exists when using grub? #grub is pretty dead: search --no-floppy --label --set=root avvroot |
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12:31.31 | xreal | grub has a very bad documentation from my POV |
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12:32.07 | abrotman | the blkid command doesn't help? |
12:32.09 | Shadow_7 | xreal: blkid /dev/... |
12:32.43 | xreal | abrotman & Shadow_7: Uh? I want to let grub check, if one HDD exists (by label) if not, it should boot the other one. |
12:32.46 | Shadow_7 | if you use UUID in the /etc/fstab, I believe grub pulls it's information from there when update-grub runs. |
12:32.49 | upsdok | search [--file|--label|--fs-uuid] https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/search.html |
12:32.50 | xreal | So blkid is wrong here :) |
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12:33.06 | xreal | #debian is wrong, I know. but #grub is dead. |
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12:33.16 | abrotman | waits for xreal to ask the question he actually wants to know |
12:33.55 | xreal | abrotman: I've posted it already: "Anyone with an idea, how I can check if a UUID, disk or label exists when using grub?" |
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12:34.07 | xreal | I mean, "while booting" |
12:34.10 | Shadow_7 | waits for xreal to rewrite grub into an operating system, instead of just a dumb bootloader. |
12:34.30 | xreal | Shadow_7: it works 100% ... I did it about 3 years ago. |
12:34.37 | abrotman | xreal: so you'd like grub to magically ignore its configuration and find the UUIDs that you haven't told it about? |
12:35.07 | xreal | abrotman: No, I'll give it a label and UUID. grub should try finding the label first, if it doesn't find it, it should take the UUID. |
12:35.13 | Shadow_7 | xreal: you can press "c" to go into command mode. and any boot stuff you tab complete wont work for anything that doesn't exist. |
12:35.30 | abrotman | xreal: Right, you want it to know about things you haven't told it about. |
12:36.04 | xreal | abrotman: Why? I told it: "search for label or uuid" |
12:36.10 | upsdok | you can --set=myvariable then check with if [ x"$myvariable" = xmyvalue ] ; then ... ; else ... ; fi |
12:36.34 | xreal | upsdok: yeah. but what shall I test it agains? Empty, false or zero ? |
12:37.00 | Shadow_7 | xreal: why tell it to "search"? It either has it or it doesn't. If it doesn't something is misconfigured or broken or failing. All of which needs a human to address the issue. |
12:37.15 | upsdok | if [ x"$var" = x ] then echo This is run if $var is empty ; fi |
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12:37.48 | Shadow_7 | or you should be looking at pxeboot and not grub. |
12:37.54 | upsdok | it's roughly like bash, strings are expanded then [ does the comparison |
12:38.03 | xreal | upsdok: thanks for help |
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12:40.28 | upsdok | xreal, example borrowed from supergrub disk. which contains some interesting undocumented stuff btw |
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12:41.51 | StCyr | is testing jessie-di-rc1 on hp Z14 |
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12:42.47 | StCyr | looks good 'til now |
12:43.11 | StCyr | maybe I'll have a problem with the trackpad (at least it isn't recognized by the installer) |
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12:45.43 | xreal | upsdok: thanks again |
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12:52.57 | Shadow_7 | xreal: it's not that it doesn't work. It's what is the use case that needs it? Plug in play drives in a cluster? 50+ distros on SDHC cards with no labels? |
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12:54.14 | upsdok | convenience - I use the same approach on my home's pc, always boots from HDD but boots a debian install on a personal usb key if inserted |
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12:55.34 | Shadow_7 | and timeout is always = 0? |
12:56.15 | upsdok | yes, why not |
12:56.31 | upsdok | the bios is slow enough to give time to insert the key |
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12:58.03 | moldy | hi |
12:58.45 | moldy | what should i do here? http://paste.pound-python.org/show/wAL2uCuBWkgc1Vw81oh7/ |
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13:01.59 | Shadow_7 | seems like you're missing some packages, or otherwise need a multi-arch approach to install that software. |
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13:02.54 | moldy | Shadow_7: what exactly does multi-arch approach mean here? |
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13:03.58 | Shadow_7 | moldy: you can have amd64 and i386 (32 bit) on the same install. |
13:04.41 | Shadow_7 | that 64 bit package needs at least 2 32 bit packages to install it seems. |
13:04.56 | themill | Things depending on ia32-libs is a good sign that they need to get with the times |
13:05.23 | Shadow_7 | it is quite dated, given that 64 bit has been around over a decade. |
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13:05.32 | moldy | Shadow_7: that's a bit weird, since they explicitly label it "64-Bit without Multiarch". got it from here: http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/linux.aspx |
13:05.38 | moldy | themill: i think they are based on wine |
13:05.59 | Shadow_7 | moldy: it's probably an ubuntu package |
13:06.01 | themill | ia32-libs hasn't been a sensible dependency for some years now |
13:06.19 | StCyr | well well well grub-install didn't like the previous install it seems :-( |
13:06.39 | moldy | Shadow_7: it's supposed to work on both ubuntu and debian according to their website |
13:06.43 | Shadow_7 | moldy: you could ar -x it and install / use it by non-traditional means. |
13:06.43 | themill | moldy: if there is no amd64 version of it, then you're going to need to use equivs to fake the ia32-libs package and then install enough :i386 libraries to stop it complaining |
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13:06.56 | moldy | themill: that *is* the amd64 version :) |
13:07.05 | StCyr | no in grub's rescue shell, but insmod doesn't work |
13:07.11 | StCyr | where are all the mod files? |
13:07.26 | moldy | thanks themill and Shadow_7. i think i will just resort to a windows vm in this case. |
13:07.57 | themill | moldy: the multiarch version is probably better |
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13:08.30 | StCyr | anyone knows what to do when insmod can't find "normal", or "linux" in grub rescue 'shell ? |
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13:08.39 | themill | moldy: their amd64 package is actually a badly-labeled i386 package which is why it doesn't work |
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13:09.23 | moldy | themill: ok. the multiarch version complains about a wrong architecture though. can i turn an existing system into a multiarch one, or would i have to reinstall? |
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13:09.36 | themill | !multiarch howto |
13:09.36 | dpkg | [multiarch howto] http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
13:09.42 | upsdok | StCyr, echo $root to check it has been set correctly |
13:10.01 | moldy | themill: thanks |
13:10.12 | themill | moldy: or even just /msg dpkg multiarch |
13:10.19 | StCyr | upsdok: "unknown command echo" :-) |
13:10.44 | StCyr | but I did ls my partitions to find these linux and normal files and couldn't find them manually |
13:10.55 | StCyr | so it's like they aren't there at all |
13:11.07 | upsdok | StCyr, did you mount /boot/grub when re-installing grub? |
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13:12.29 | StCyr | upsdok: didn't reinstall it yet. The scenario is "step 1: install wheezy on this hp zbook, step 2: discover that wireless chip isn't supported, step 3: install jessie over wheezy, step 4: can't reboot" |
13:13.22 | upsdok | 1. did you consider to use a backported kernel, 2. do reintall grub now |
13:13.38 | StCyr | I'm now looking of a jessie live cd (should someone be able to help) |
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13:15.35 | StCyr | or maybe a wheezie live cd would be sufficient? |
13:16.44 | upsdok | StCyr, afaik there are no jessie live cds yet (but there are derivatives such as lmde, which is still in RC though) |
13:16.49 | upsdok | yes, a wheezy live cd would be fine |
13:16.54 | Shadow_7 | most wifi issues can be worked around with a usb to ethernet adapter. |
13:17.07 | StCyr | upsdok: I'll try that thanks :-) |
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13:18.04 | StCyr | I see on gnu.org that grub-install will *ignore* grub's installation on the partition if it sees that grub is already installed on the MBR. |
13:18.11 | Shadow_7 | you can do custom kernels and other means to make a wifi card work too. But even if it works it might have other issues. I guess I'm an odd one, having a network connection that drops out in the middle of a boss fight is not a viable network option. |
13:18.21 | StCyr | Could that be the problem I experienced? |
13:18.30 | StCyr | wouldn't that be a bug in the installer? |
13:18.31 | moldy | themill: yep, the i386 package works after adding the i386 arch. nice, thanks. |
13:18.40 | Shadow_7 | StCyr: mostly likely grub didn't get updated when you did the other install. |
13:19.12 | themill | moldy: great |
13:19.21 | StCyr | Shadow_7: Yeah looks like. |
13:19.30 | Shadow_7 | having additional usb bootable options are nice as you can update-grub and use the usb grub to boot the other distro. |
13:19.41 | upsdok | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=446 count=1 will wipe the bootloader in the MBR, not the partition table (but take backups as always) |
13:19.54 | StCyr | so this means installing debian over a previous debian install isn't supported?!? |
13:20.12 | Shadow_7 | isn't "automated" more likely |
13:20.26 | StCyr | :-) |
13:20.47 | Shadow_7 | depends on what you mean by over. change /etc/apt/sources.list? or did a fresh install on the same partition. |
13:21.09 | StCyr | Shadow_7: fresh install on the same partition |
13:21.38 | StCyr | fresh install (install from network) |
13:21.49 | Shadow_7 | I generally avoid letting the distro do bootloader stuff. But I do that step manually. |
13:22.02 | Shadow_7 | grub-install -f /dev/... |
13:22.04 | Shadow_7 | update-grub |
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13:22.24 | StCyr | Yeah I should have do that probably |
13:22.27 | Shadow_7 | and nano /boot/grub/grub.cfg to verify that things look as expected. |
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13:24.14 | Shadow_7 | but I'm already skipping wheezy on most things since opengl needy things like java need at least glibc 2.14 to function. With wheezy on glibc 2.13 |
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13:24.40 | Shadow_7 | 2D things like videos / youtube are far less needy. |
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13:25.19 | themill | they don't need a newer glibc -- they've just been compiled against a newer libc |
13:25.57 | Shadow_7 | you can't really compile the oracle version since it's closed source. |
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13:36.08 | webly | hello, let's say you are sick of openssl, and want to use libressl as the core lib everything is built against. What is the best way to go about building a debian system with all other packages built against libressl? |
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13:40.03 | Shadow_7 | webly: fork debian? idk, depends on how many packages are in question. apt-get source and rebuild the packages against libressl. But subject to breakage with updates. |
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13:42.26 | petn-randall | webly: Is libressl even a 100% ABI compatible drop-in replacement? Otherwise you'll end up re-compiling all the packages of the distribution. |
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13:42.44 | webly | petn-randall: I expect some breakage somewhere |
13:42.51 | webly | I'm interested in finding out how much and where |
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13:43.27 | webly | I don't use a lot of packages, and I can host my own, so that is ok with me |
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13:43.49 | petn-randall | webly: Then build libressl, and start compiling packages against the result. Build a test suite around it to check if the packages run as expected. |
13:44.14 | webly | petn-randall: how do I initiate a bulk build? |
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13:46.46 | petn-randall | webly: It'll probably take you a few weeks of full time work, but you seem determined, so it's quite possible it'll work out. There's probably a how-to for a build environment somewhere on the 'net. |
13:46.55 | StCyr | so, I'm re-installing jessie and I'm a the step when it asks me if I want to install grub on the MBR. |
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13:47.09 | StCyr | Should I skip this step? |
13:47.25 | petn-randall | StCyr: Do you want to be able to boot into your system? |
13:47.30 | StCyr | hehehe |
13:47.33 | Shadow_7 | StCyr: I normally do... just be sure to do it manually before powering down / rebooting. |
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13:48.25 | Shadow_7 | as long as you have one bootable linux you can always chroot and fix things. |
13:48.51 | StCyr | Shadow_7: how do you do it manually before rebooting? I do have a shell, but there's no "grub-install" command there (only a "grub-installer" oe) |
13:48.54 | petn-randall | StCyr: Let's ask the other way around: Why would you want to skip that step? |
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13:49.28 | StCyr | petn-randall: because it fails if it detects grub already installed on the mbr |
13:49.32 | Shadow_7 | petn-randall: I normally do because the mbr on usb things tends to make grub-install fail. |
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13:49.55 | Shadow_7 | so I have to grub-install -f anyway. |
13:50.13 | Shadow_7 | StCyr: btw, install grub2, not grub-legacy. |
13:50.16 | StCyr | petn-randall: At least, I *think* it fails |
13:50.34 | StCyr | Shadow_7: come on, I'm just installing "standard" jessie |
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13:52.41 | StCyr | I'm considering trying upsdok trick of erasing the mbr with dd before running grub-install |
13:52.52 | Shadow_7 | jessie is testing. the jessie installer is for "testing" the installer. |
13:53.20 | Shadow_7 | or so they say. I normally do debootstrap installs. So grub doesn't get installed until I manually install it anyway. |
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13:54.18 | webly | petn-randall: is there really no way to ask apt to rebuild all packages currently installed on the host? |
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13:57.30 | petn-randall | webly: No, apt is not made for that. |
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14:00.41 | webly | petn-randall: is there another tool in debian built for bulk package builds? |
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14:01.03 | webly | rather, is there a tool more suited to this task? |
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14:02.38 | Shadow_7 | gentoo's ebuild stuff / portage would do that kind of task. |
14:02.54 | Shadow_7 | assuming that libressl was linux compatible and not bsd only |
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14:06.57 | |oop | You can save your list of packages easily: see "man dpkg" and search for --set-selections and --get-selections |
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14:14.17 | bytecounter | Hi @all. I want to create a live-cd with an static ip. But it seems, that the /etc/networK/interfaces config will be ignored on startup |
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14:14.59 | johnkeates | if you want to hack it you could do some rc magic |
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14:15.20 | bytecounter | rc magic? |
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14:17.48 | StCyr | soooo.... it didn't work :-) |
14:18.30 | Shadow_7 | the install? or the wifi? |
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14:19.24 | StCyr | Shadow_7: actually it was just my brain :-D |
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14:19.45 | gnat_x | bytecounter: you could use the @reboot cron time, and do it witha script. hacky i know, but should work. |
14:19.54 | StCyr | Shadow_7: I've 2 disks in my laptop and boot have grub installed in their MBR |
14:20.18 | StCyr | naturally, it was booting on the wrong MBR :-D |
14:20.31 | gnat_x | bytecounter: also it is odd that the network config isn't working, is network-manager or wicd installe on the live image? |
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14:20.43 | Shadow_7 | my old desktop is quirky like that. SATA and PATA (ide) drives. Which is the primary at bootup is a lottery drawing. |
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14:21.18 | BoteMan | Boot order should be determined by BIOS settings. |
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14:22.55 | Shadow_7 | but the bios seems to make that determination by which powers up first. Which is not predictable. |
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14:25.07 | bytecounter | Ah...network-manager is missing..I will try.. |
14:25.15 | Rug | I need some help with snmpd on my server. Using snmpwalk I can see the data on localhost but I can't get the data from another workstation. My snmpd.conf has: rocommunity public 192.168.0.0/24 Any suggestions? |
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14:27.27 | mike802 | have you put your workstation ip on the hosts file? |
14:28.14 | Rug | no. |
14:28.58 | RoyK | mike802: why should that be relevant? |
14:29.00 | Rug | But I am not accessing it via hostname. |
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14:29.07 | Rug | =) |
14:29.24 | Rug | snmpwalk -v 1 -c public 192.168.0.1 |
14:29.27 | gnat_x | bytecounter: actually network-manager shouldn't be needed. i was asking because those things can sometimes do odd things. however they also should ignore interfaces specified in /etc/network/interfaces |
14:29.31 | mike802 | host name is only relevant if you have a dns server set up on your network |
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14:30.07 | mike802 | domain name server |
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14:30.40 | mike802 | the hosts file allows for connections |
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14:33.08 | Rug | mike802: I wasn't aware of that. Could you point to a source for that information? |
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14:35.02 | mike802 | http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap9sec95.html |
14:35.16 | mike802 | i could be wrong |
14:35.39 | dean[h] | Hi. I just span up a new debian server on digital ocean. Running wheezy. apt-get updated + upgraded. Openssl is still stuck at 1.0.1e |
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14:36.51 | dean[h] | Is there some kind of more up to date source i can use for these things. 1.0.1k was released today after the new openssl advisory |
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14:41.16 | ChrisH | dean[h]: and what is the problem now? All security fixes are backported... check the CVEs for details |
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14:41.43 | gnat_x | dean[h]: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/openssl |
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14:42.09 | gnat_x | that's the right version, and as ChrisH mentions, th security fixes are backported |
14:42.35 | bytecounter | Why a livesystem didn't recognize the /etc/network/interfaces-file? |
14:42.47 | dean[h] | Have they not yet been back ported: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-0291 ? |
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14:44.43 | ChrisH | https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2015-0291 ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. |
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14:48.09 | ChrisH | https://openssl.org/news/secadv_20150319.txt sounds pretty mich different to me |
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14:51.38 | LordDeath | if checkrestarts tells me: "Found 0 processes using old versions of upgraded files" then I don't need to restart anything after the openssl update? |
14:52.06 | LordDeath | not sure why, but until today checkrestart never told me that there is a process running old versions of upgraded files |
14:52.14 | queso | My disk has a root and a home partition. My root partition (9.2G) is almost full. Is there a way to get some low-hanging fruit off of there? I went through my aptitude logs to see which packages I installed that I don't need and I uninstalled them, but there's still only 291M free. When I uninstalled those packages, I don't think it removed their dependencies. Is there a way to remove those, too? Any other tips? |
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14:59.05 | nezZario | Is there a gui 'launcher' for ssh ? |
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14:59.39 | tuxx- | wow, thats the first ive ever heard someone ask for a gui for ssh nezZario :D |
14:59.43 | nezZario | like, eh, I don't mind just using the bare cli ssh client.. but it would be cool to have something remember all the hosts/users/passes (where priv key doesn't exist) |
14:59.47 | shay_shay | nezZario: I dont think anyones ever said those words before |
14:59.52 | SynrG | nezZario: yes. putty |
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15:00.08 | tuxx- | i think you need putty for that |
15:00.09 | SynrG | and no, putty is not only for windows |
15:00.12 | nezZario | well it doesn't have to be like x gui, but maybe just some cli app |
15:00.19 | SynrG | ,v putty |
15:00.21 | judd | Package: putty on i386 -- squeeze: 0.60+2010-02-20-1+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 0.60+2010-02-20-1+squeeze2; squeeze-security-lts: 0.60+2010-02-20-1+squeeze3; wheezy: 0.62-9+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 0.62-9+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 0.62-9+deb7u2; jessie: 0.63-10; sid: 0.63-10 |
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15:00.34 | shay_shay | ah |
15:00.38 | shay_shay | so there is |
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15:01.32 | doertedev | erm... https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-0291 << how come a version was vulnerable 5mins ago and is now "fixed"? |
15:01.41 | doertedev | was the test pending? Oo |
15:01.54 | nezZario | I think I might just write something in python |
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15:02.13 | doertedev | lol wrong keycombi |
15:02.23 | gnat_x | queso: assuming that /var/ is on the / partition, apt-get clean |
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15:02.47 | nezZario | I just want a cli prompt that has a list of my commonly connected servers .. right now I just have aliases for them all which is a pita |
15:03.50 | SynrG | ssh <tab><tab> |
15:04.06 | SynrG | there is tab-completion for hosts |
15:04.20 | SynrG | looks like it is the union of: contents of /etc/hosts and hosts listed in ~/.ssh/config |
15:04.23 | tuxx- | ah, thats new to me, lol :D |
15:04.30 | nezZario | THAT's what I was looking for. |
15:04.37 | nezZario | Thanks, that'll do nicely |
15:04.45 | SynrG | np |
15:04.48 | SynrG | new to me too :) |
15:04.52 | SynrG | it just seemed "obvious" |
15:05.13 | tuxx- | idd |
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15:19.22 | mjkr | now that i have a proper chroot from debootstrap, now how do i make it a vm so that it has an independent ip address, and runs services such as ssh/nginx/ipsec? |
15:20.17 | gnat_x | mjkr: are you looking at a particular vm tech? |
15:20.50 | gnat_x | mjkr: i tend towards kvm, with that you should be able to specify your chroot as that system's drive. |
15:21.26 | mjkr | gnat_x: nope. building the chroot is complete through debootstrap, and now i wanna get the chroot an ip address and have it run ipsec and ssh |
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15:27.44 | neiljp | if there's a laptop suspend failure, is it a problem with the daemon in dmesg or the kernel? not sure where to report |
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15:28.06 | otyugh | journalctl ? |
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15:34.25 | queso | gnat_x: Thanks, I have done that. |
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15:35.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | How do you continue an interrupted 'fakeroot debian/rules binary' build? |
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15:36.55 | ksk | Eduard_Munteanu: you just do it again? |
15:37.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | ksk, it complains dh_autoreconf --as-needed can't be run again |
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15:37.40 | ksk | delete the directory? containig the version you are trying to build right now? |
15:38.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | ksk, I want to continue the build, not restart it, I'm building on a slow machine. |
15:38.07 | ksk | I have built some packages, but not sure what you are doing there.. |
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15:38.26 | otyugh | Eduard_Munteanu: depend how you halted it |
15:38.37 | ksk | "building" is quite a thing, there are "package things" todo and to compile a binary, and stuff |
15:38.39 | otyugh | if you were wise you'd just paused it :p |
15:38.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | otyugh, say I have to ctrl+c and reboot the machine |
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15:39.09 | otyugh | Well, I don't see what you can do, then. |
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15:40.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm, pretty bad. :/ |
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15:43.25 | tuxcrafter | hi all i got an repository and the company that maintains it does not use a gpg |
15:43.40 | tuxcrafter | http://nightly.openerp.com/7.0/nightly/deb/ |
15:43.57 | tuxcrafter | in redhad there is the gpgcheck=0 option that can be added to the reop content |
15:44.03 | tuxcrafter | how can i add this with apt? |
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15:45.23 | tuxcrafter | btw i managed to find the key for the repo |
15:45.31 | tuxcrafter | but i still find the question intresting |
15:45.47 | petn-randall | tuxcrafter: They do use signed repos, I can see the Release.gpg in the link you provided. |
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15:47.18 | tuxcrafter | APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated "true"; is that the only option (can that be used for a specific repo as well) |
15:47.18 | apt | tuxcrafter: that's too long |
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16:07.28 | FransUrbo | What was the option to get more debug loggs from the debian-installer? |
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16:08.19 | mike802 | http://mike802.blogspot.com/2014/01/misc-research.html |
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16:14.05 | jelly | mike802: please avoid pasting links that are not relevant to debian tech support |
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16:15.51 | Brigo | anybody knows why i cannot connect to #debian channel on OFTC? |
16:16.29 | GPenguin | Brigo: check your status window of the chat client |
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16:17.52 | Brigo | Connection reset by the remote host (translated from spanish connection reset by peer may be?) |
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16:18.31 | SynrG | no. debhelper bot is enforcing an artificially too-low connection limit. it seems to be confused and needs op intervention |
16:18.46 | jelly | hm |
16:18.56 | Brigo | i can connect now. |
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16:19.53 | Brigo | i was weird i could join into all channel but #debian. |
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16:20.38 | GPenguin | usually you get something like "unable to join" in the status window of the client with a vague description why |
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16:20.57 | Brigo | GPenguin, yes, but not tis time :) |
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16:54.35 | boobzilla | hello |
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16:56.19 | boobzilla | oh my God .... how do I in this system print just a packagename please ? just like rpm -qa some-string\* ? |
16:56.22 | boobzilla | dpkg -l linux-image-amd64\* |
16:56.23 | dpkg | No packages found matching linux-image-amd64\* |
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16:56.54 | boobzilla | ^^ returns 10 other things other than pkg name .... |
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16:57.37 | boobzilla | I don't want to see anything but pkg name ... using sed|perl to get just pkg name is abhorrent so I'd guess I'm missing something important .. I don't see it in manual |
16:57.57 | GPenguin | boobzilla: learn the power of grep and awk :P |
16:58.01 | SynrGy | of installed packages only? |
16:58.06 | centrx | There are some other dpkg command-line tools, like dpkg-query |
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16:58.57 | boobzilla | centrx: ok, which command please ? |
16:59.23 | SynrGy | grep-dctrl |
16:59.30 | SynrGy | (from dctrl-tools) |
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17:01.37 | boobzilla | centrx: can you please show me that straight away, doing: ```dpkg -l linux-image-amd64\* | perl -ne 'next if ! s@^ii\s+([\d\w-]+).*$@$1@; print'''' is really disturbing for me right now |
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17:06.28 | centrx | boobzilla, I don't know the command for what you are looking for |
17:06.32 | centrx | boobzilla, just pointing you to some tools |
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17:07.11 | boobzilla | ok, no prob, thanks ... I'm rather less experienced with debian so checking all dpkg-* related manpages to know that is for me a bit frustrating |
17:07.20 | SynrGy | boobzilla: partial answer: grep-status --regex -F Package -n -s Package linux-image.\*amd64 |
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17:07.34 | SynrGy | you didn't answer: of installed packages only? |
17:07.45 | boobzilla | yes |
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17:08.08 | boobzilla | debian synomym for: rpm -qa [pkg_name] |
17:08.18 | SynrGy | this shows all packages known in the status file |
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17:09.11 | boobzilla | SynrGy: rpm -q foo tells you just pkgname so you can use that straight away in scripts or piped to other commands ... that's why I need it |
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17:09.55 | centrx | boobzilla, how about dpkg --get-selections |
17:10.01 | boobzilla | carefully postprocessing every dpkg output to get a pkg name is simply retarded so that's why I'm asking for a better tool |
17:10.17 | boobzilla | centrx: thanks, looking at it |
17:10.30 | centrx | dpkg --get-selections |cut -f1 |
17:10.30 | dpkg | selects centrx's pr0n collection |
17:10.34 | SynrGy | centrx: that shows desired state. not necessarily current state. |
17:10.38 | centrx | right |
17:10.41 | centrx | boobzilla, ^^ |
17:11.28 | SynrGy | personally, i use either grep-dctrl or aptitude, depending on what info i'm after. aptitude is slightly tidier and has nicer pattern-matching |
17:11.33 | boobzilla | centrx: thanks, that's about something like 549% better :) |
17:11.52 | SynrGy | boobzilla: but if your current state doesn't reflect your desired state, it will be inaccurate |
17:11.58 | SynrGy | if current state was what you wanted |
17:12.09 | boobzilla | yeah, I get it, thanks ... |
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17:12.45 | boobzilla | as I said, looking for 1:1 equivalent of rpm -qa ... dpkg --get-selections pattern does *almost whayt I need so I'm fine with that ... thanbks |
17:13.48 | SynrGy | boobzilla: i think aptitude wins here: |
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17:13.50 | SynrGy | aptitude search --group-by=none ~i~nlinux-image -F%p |
17:14.09 | boobzilla | indeed :) |
17:14.09 | SynrGy | boobzilla: that restricts the search to exactly what *is* installed |
17:14.24 | SynrGy | er, sec. i don't even think the --group-by is needed |
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17:14.50 | SynrGy | aptitude search ~i~nlinux-image -F%p |
17:15.16 | boobzilla | SynrGy: thanks, I'll use that dpkg --get-selection, one universal printing of field #0 is fine |
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17:15.55 | SynrGy | boobzilla: ok, so long as you understand it just means "i want to install this package", not "i have this package installed" |
17:16.15 | boobzilla | o.O |
17:16.32 | SynrGy | that's the purpose of dpkg --get-selections, to report on the desired state |
17:16.35 | boobzilla | I'm just querying a locally installed packages .. I don't care for "available" packages |
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17:16.37 | SynrGy | it's what i've been harping on |
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17:17.18 | SynrGy | that's why i suggest using aptitude instead. |
17:17.19 | boobzilla | yeah, thanks ... I catched that already at the beginning .. I know how dpkg works ... I was using debian only for something like 5 years |
17:17.35 | boobzilla | however back in 1998-2002 |
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17:18.10 | SynrGy | ok. just seems like an ugly hack, and prone to fail in certain corner cases. |
17:18.19 | SynrGy | whereas aptitude cmd does exactly what you want |
17:18.50 | boobzilla | hmm ... from what I know aptitude might not be available everywhere .. it's not iirc installed by default |
17:19.03 | boobzilla | but correct me if I'm wrong please |
17:19.10 | SynrGy | it's priority: Important |
17:19.18 | SynrGy | so it's reasonable to expect it to be installed |
17:19.39 | SynrGy | though you are right, not guaranteed to be installed |
17:19.58 | boobzilla | SynrGy: what will happen please when aptitude won't be able to access the online repos ? is that your command querying only in the cahces ? |
17:20.00 | boobzilla | **caches |
17:20.21 | SynrGy | it's only checking caches, yes |
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17:20.54 | boobzilla | I can make (in my script) your aptitude way as default (if available) and dpkg method as fallback |
17:21.04 | SynrGy | since dpkg-query is in the dpkg package, it may be better |
17:21.14 | boobzilla | so thanks, back to business, I have all my answers collected |
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17:22.52 | boobzilla | SynrGy: btw, I did: apt-cache search perl | egrep -i dpkg\|deb |
17:23.12 | boobzilla | there's no perl-ish deb/dpkg module or api ?? |
17:23.43 | boobzilla | okay, I should use ggl instead ... ofc, irc ain't ggl |
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17:27.30 | SynrGy | boobzilla: dpkg-query -W -f '${db:Status-Abbrev}${Package}\n' linux-image* | grep ^ii | cut -d' ' -f2 |
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17:28.04 | SynrGy | boobzilla: couldn't figure out a better way with dpkg-query. doesn't seem to have pattern matching against specific fields, hence the grep pipeline |
17:28.15 | xavier` | hi all. |
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17:28.55 | xavier` | my first connect here through emacs ! |
17:28.57 | SynrGy | boobzilla: and even this is less than perfect because it could fail on broken or half-installed packages (iB, iH) |
17:29.08 | boobzilla | SynrGy: thanks man .. I'm 100% fine now already |
17:29.44 | boobzilla | xavier`: omg, emacs has now integrated irc client :D ?? |
17:29.48 | SynrGy | boobzilla: sure. it just bugged me "what if aptitude isn't there?" which is valid |
17:29.55 | SynrGy | emacs has *everything* |
17:30.00 | SynrGy | it's an OS |
17:30.21 | xavier` | hehe. sure. name erc |
17:31.00 | teraflop | SynrGy: i like this one http://www.tootips.com/2013/02/rainbarf-cpubatteryram-usage-chart-bar.html |
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17:33.32 | xavier` | well, don't know how usable this thing actually is... one question please. just installed Jessie and gnome 3 packages manually (gdm3 and some other stuff like gnome-panel). anyone knows which package would allow font hinting changes ? that feature is off. ty |
17:34.06 | Yaarrr | How many founders keep his live? |
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17:37.38 | Yaarrr | Please im ham |
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17:39.25 | mike802 | ? |
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17:40.18 | jhutchins | mike802: Noise. |
17:40.21 | Yaarrr | 80's 90's whats far away |
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17:41.19 | Yaarrr | Dont forget port 6667 |
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17:44.36 | Yaarrr | Seventy3 |
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18:05.42 | s1991 | Hello, I have some doubts abt packaging system. |
18:05.58 | s1991 | Is ubutu-packaging same as debian-packaging? |
18:06.20 | bazhang | s1991, ppa you mean? |
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18:06.37 | s1991 | bazhang: ya |
18:06.52 | bazhang | contact launchpad for that s1991 |
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18:07.42 | s1991 | bazhang: I just wanna know is debian-package used for making PPA |
18:07.49 | centrx | s1991, The standard tools used for packaging and using packages are the same |
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18:08.16 | centrx | s1991, but that does not necessarily mean that an Ubuntu package is compatible with a Debian system or vice-versa |
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18:08.44 | s1991 | Isn't ubuntu a debian based system? |
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18:09.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | !based |
18:09.15 | NoImNotNineVolt | :\ |
18:09.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | it was something like that... |
18:09.28 | AimHere | Yes, but that does not necessarily mean that an Ubuntu package is compatible with a Debian system or vice versa |
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18:10.12 | bazhang | he wants help building a PPA |
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18:10.31 | bazhang | launchpad is the place to go |
18:11.14 | centrx | !debian-based |
18:11.14 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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18:26.57 | knosys | guys i am really sorry about this... debian jessie is working awful on my computer. After just a few days using it |
18:27.06 | knosys | I cant even run rythmbox |
18:27.16 | knosys | this cannot be considered as operative :( |
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18:27.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | i've been running jessie for quite a while and it's _great_ |
18:27.44 | knosys | well then I dont know whats the problem on mine |
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18:27.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | in fact it's so great that we've been targeting jessie exclusively for all our projects. |
18:27.58 | knosys | maybe its my cdrom drive, it makes weird sounds when open rythmbox |
18:28.05 | knosys | anyway, its not the only problem |
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18:28.21 | knosys | if i suspend, when comming back and login the session, background screen its screwed up |
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18:28.50 | knosys | also full screen videos , it have a frame in the bottom of the video, that allow me to see background windows |
18:29.11 | knosys | so i have to minimize and maximize again the full-screen feature of the browser |
18:29.20 | knosys | and like that detail... ten or more |
18:29.35 | greycat | That certainly sounds like a bug that's worth reporting, if you can figure out which package/system to file it against. |
18:29.41 | knosys | if i enter a new chat, graphics got screwed, i have to scroll up & down again the buffer |
18:29.50 | Shadow_7 | knosys: do the same symptoms exist on other distros? like ubuntu? |
18:29.57 | knosys | greycat, i was going to, but already reported |
18:30.08 | greycat | what's the bug number? |
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18:30.24 | knosys | Shadow_7, I am not sure, but I doubt it , because i used other debian versions before and was lil better than now |
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18:30.31 | knosys | greycat, give a moment |
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18:30.40 | knosys | i searched last day so i will get in history |
18:30.44 | knosys | and its duplicated :P |
18:30.50 | knosys | 2 bugs at least about same issue |
18:31.07 | knosys | but i mean the one of background screwed when suspension |
18:31.20 | greycat | That's actually a good sign. Easily encountered means easily reproduced, which means more easily fixed... usually. |
18:31.37 | knosys | 761360 |
18:31.43 | knosys | 768896 |
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18:32.04 | knosys | yeah , its nvidia graphic card problem i think |
18:32.10 | DingoSaar | Can someone tell me whether Jessie is applicable for a webserver yet? |
18:32.15 | knosys | it doesnt care if you using noveau or propietary nvidia driver |
18:32.18 | knosys | it happen in both cases |
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18:32.52 | knosys | DingoSaar, i think its good for that... but not for desktop |
18:32.59 | knosys | too many issues for common use |
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18:33.16 | DingoSaar | Hm... is there a rollout date projected? |
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18:33.50 | knosys | DingoSaar, anyway, if you are an expert in linux, you could probably fix everything in a while |
18:34.08 | knosys | But I am not, so cant be sure anyway |
18:34.32 | Shadow_7 | I've always had issues with nvidia. Issues that never seem an issue with ati/amd or intel GPUs. |
18:34.34 | DingoSaar | knosys, you know the Golden Rule: Things to fix *always* occur at weekends and/or when you are busy with something else... |
18:34.37 | knosys | also: if i plugin my mobile ,and turn it off , and turn on again. it makes a lot of weird sounds |
18:34.43 | knosys | by the way, i am using HDMI sound |
18:35.08 | knosys | and sometimes i plugin headphones in the motherboards jack plug |
18:36.05 | nmschulte | I'm trying to configure nginx and PHP via fastcgi (php-fpm). I can see that requests are making it to php-fpm, as the `systemctl php5-fpm status` shows the "Requests" value rising. However, I receive only blank pages from nginx. |
18:36.19 | knosys | xDD DingoSaar yes. Of course. That is how it happen... i was tired and want to watch a movie... and fullscreen its not working nicely. Want to hear a song , and rythmbox wont work today :P |
18:36.43 | knosys | well, if I knew how to fix it, today would be a good moment for that, no plans |
18:37.07 | knosys | but then there is an add to the rule: And if you have time to fix it, you dont know how? xD |
18:37.27 | DingoSaar | I would change for horde 5, but as there are other ways to install it on Wheezy via pear, I think I will downgrade to Wheezy again... |
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18:38.10 | DingoSaar | What I find really, really necessary would be a "merge" of Gentoo emerge and Debian dselect... |
18:38.38 | DingoSaar | BTW, am I the only "old-timer" who prefers dselect over aptitude? |
18:38.54 | greycat | nmschulte: are you sure you set up the fastcgi_pass stuff correctly in the nginx config? |
18:39.03 | knosys | sorry for this noob question: what is dselect ? just if you feel like explaining, otherwise i will look for it on the network |
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18:39.28 | greycat | dselect is an old curses-GUI interface for selecting packages from a list |
18:39.36 | knosys | emerge i readed the other day that it was the package manager of gentoo |
18:39.56 | Shadow_7 | dselect is an old school installer type thing. Like tasksel except you can select on a per package basis. |
18:40.15 | nmschulte | greycat: I'm not certain, no. |
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18:40.28 | knosys | like if synaptics were in a terminal? something like that? |
18:40.29 | nmschulte | I modified what was in the `default` configuration. |
18:40.55 | Shadow_7 | I used dselect update so I can dpkg-query --load-avail -l '*search*terms*' |
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18:41.04 | greycat | nmschulte: here's my config file for /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/wooledge.org : http://wooledge.org/~greg/bar |
18:41.05 | nmschulte | greycat: I have fastcgi_pass unix:/var/run/php5-fpm.sock; -- no other fastcgi lines. |
18:41.14 | nmschulte | greycat: much appreciated |
18:41.44 | LordDeath | what should I do if I need debian-goodies 0.64 in wheezy? https://packages.debian.org/sid/debian-goodies |
18:41.58 | nmschulte | greycat: I am using "root ..." inside a location, with no server-contained "root". does that matter much at all? |
18:42.00 | LordDeath | will manually installing the package work or do I have to rely on apt-pinning? |
18:42.10 | knosys | guys do you use cgi for php code ? |
18:42.19 | greycat | nmschulte: I don't know |
18:42.32 | greycat | knosys: most people probably don't |
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18:43.02 | knosys | i was wondering if there is a really big security difference between running it as apache module, and running it as cgi |
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18:43.28 | greycat | It's more about performance than security, usually. |
18:43.32 | knosys | i always used apache module :S ! but just coding machine, host was paid... i guess it is pretty secure |
18:43.49 | knosys | uhm... i though cgi were slower than running as module |
18:43.55 | greycat | yes, it is |
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18:45.05 | DingoSaar | knosys, dselect is a kind of "no-frills" package frontend between apt-get and aptitude etc.pp. - it gives you the info you need, but nevertheless you can select interactively. |
18:45.24 | nmschulte | greycat: I'm thinking this may be a permission issue. |
18:45.32 | nmschulte | nginx runs as the nginx user, php-fpm runs as www-data |
18:45.38 | nmschulte | and my files are all owned by me. |
18:45.38 | greycat | nmschulte: if that's the case, you should be finding errors in a log somewhere |
18:45.52 | knosys | Thanks |
18:45.54 | DingoSaar | knosys, emerge is the "apt-get" equivalent on Gentoo; it tells you exactly where a package comes from (package:gentoo for root, package:overlay for an overlay) |
18:46.03 | greycat | nginx runs as user www-data by default on Debian |
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18:46.28 | knosys | I see thats an upside |
18:46.41 | DingoSaar | Via layman you can import overlays, contrib packages not in the trunk, and select if and how many "custom packages" you want apart from trunk. |
18:46.54 | knosys | overlay = third party software? i dont get that very much |
18:47.10 | knosys | Ill better search a bit :D |
18:47.17 | knosys | or this could be really annoying in a little while |
18:47.33 | DingoSaar | Quite frankly, I have never seen a reason to switch from dselect to aptitude... there is just no added value apart from colourful output and less info, IMO |
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18:48.19 | DingoSaar | knosys, np, I am stuck anyway... yes, it is kind of "third-party", eg. gamerslay is an overlay that has many FLOSS games that are not in the Trunk |
18:48.30 | knosys | overlays "They are maintained by Gentoo developers and projects but distributed separately from the main Portage tree" |
18:49.14 | knosys | I see |
18:49.23 | greycat | doesn't use dselect OR aptitude ... just apt-get |
18:49.37 | DingoSaar | Then, there is "progress" (it should be named "NEVER TOUCH!!!"), if you install and unmask it, it will hijack the whole system (supersede about every :gentoo trunk package), if you mask it, the packages you want won't have their dependencies filled. |
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18:50.15 | DingoSaar | greycat, I can see the point... is there an equivalent to "eix", a package-searching tool? |
18:50.22 | greycat | apt-cache search |
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18:50.27 | DingoSaar | TNX |
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18:51.10 | greycat | You can tell Debian was designed by a committee, since there are half a dozen different package management tools, all with different names and interfaces. |
18:51.15 | DingoSaar | I SEE an added value of having dselect... and really, really miss it on RHEL, Gentoo etc.... |
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18:53.53 | knosys | lets see what is that dselect ... I have never used and have free time |
18:53.54 | DingoSaar | greycat, well, aptitude was to supersede dselect... dselect has about everything one can want, it is slim, AFAIK gets installed automatically with the package manager,...... |
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18:54.38 | DingoSaar | knosys, if you have the keys memorised, it is really intuitive... |
18:54.52 | DingoSaar | It would be my dream to adapt it to emerge. |
18:55.25 | DingoSaar | portage. That's the package manager behind Gentoo, emerge is just - like apt - the command line frontend... |
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18:56.06 | greycat | Gentoo's very different. The whole packaging concept is built around downloading source and building it, like BSD ports, rather than binary packages like Debian. |
18:56.14 | nmschulte | greycat: what is in your fastcgi_params; file? |
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18:56.41 | greycat | Just the default /etc/nginx/fastcgi_params from the Debian package. I didn't touch it. |
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18:57.20 | nmschulte | greycat: php.ini... cgi.fix_pathinfo 0 ? |
18:57.37 | RoyK | those OpenSSL fixes - are they in the repos yet? |
18:57.44 | greycat | I might have messed with the PHP config. It's been a while. |
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18:58.33 | greycat | php.ini:cgi.fix_pathinfo=0 |
18:58.42 | greycat | in /etc/php5/fpm |
18:58.52 | nmschulte | greycat: thanks. |
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18:59.29 | DingoSaar | greycat, yes, that has its pros and cons... however, I really, REALLY like the ergonomy and usability of dselect... |
18:59.33 | knosys | DingoSaar, how to search with dselect ? xd |
18:59.43 | knosys | package by name |
18:59.45 | DingoSaar | knosys, / <searchterm> |
18:59.52 | knosys | thanks |
18:59.55 | DingoSaar | knosys, next result \ |
19:00.16 | greycat | nmschulte: also check the listen.owner and listen.group in /etc/php5/fpm/pool.d/www.conf |
19:00.53 | nmschulte | greycat: they are www-data:www-data - 0660 |
19:01.02 | nmschulte | nginx is running as nginx. I assume that's the problem? |
19:01.15 | DingoSaar | add a package with +, remove one with -, and if it has dependencies you know are incorrect and could be ignored, use Q instead of <Return> to leave the screen - your choices will be recorded, so be sure to select/deselect the packages you want before |
19:01.17 | nmschulte | I see no errors in nginx logs nor php-fpm logs. |
19:01.19 | greycat | very likely, yes |
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19:03.52 | knosys | DingoSaar, do you know any way to search by the description also? |
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19:03.59 | nmschulte | greycat: I lied, nginx is run as root, with sub processes as www-data |
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19:05.17 | DingoSaar | knosys, alas not, I had no debian-contact for some years after I switched to Gentoo for my Laptop |
19:05.43 | DingoSaar | Try the manpage or ? (it gives you some help pages about some topics) |
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19:06.46 | knosys | yes I checked ? but i saw just few keystores, maybe there is some pagination I will check again |
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19:07.46 | knosys | it looks nice |
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19:08.00 | DingoSaar | knosys, ? gives you a menu of four topics where to get help |
19:08.13 | knosys | but it would be great if you can search for description also! you could just search there instead of going always google |
19:08.31 | knosys | yes But I guess what I am looking for its on keystores right? |
19:08.37 | DingoSaar | I see your point, and I guess it is possible... it just is a very common case |
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19:08.55 | DingoSaar | knosys, try the other three also... |
19:09.07 | knosys | ;D ok |
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19:09.47 | DingoSaar | If you add '/d' to the search expression, dselect will also search in |
19:09.47 | DingoSaar | <PROTECTED> |
19:09.47 | DingoSaar | <PROTECTED> |
19:09.47 | DingoSaar | <PROTECTED> |
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19:10.00 | DingoSaar | sorry. |
19:10.10 | knosys | niice, for me its np :) |
19:10.20 | knosys | thanks |
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19:10.26 | DingoSaar | I thought I could edit it before sending it... |
19:10.35 | DingoSaar | it is from the manpage man dselect |
19:11.05 | DingoSaar | OK, n also works... did not remember that... |
19:11.33 | DingoSaar | knosys, for me it is also interesting to find out how to search the description |
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19:11.55 | knosys | Im glad, thanks will be usefull |
19:11.56 | DingoSaar | My question is, what does aptitude offer that is worse than dselect? |
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19:13.26 | knosys | I dont have enought knowledge about aptitude yet to know that sorry, neither about dselect |
19:13.57 | DingoSaar | that was a question to regular aptitude users in the channel... if any? |
19:14.14 | DingoSaar | knosys, I am glad if I could "evangelise" you to dselect... :-D |
19:14.51 | knosys | :D haha Me too man, a new thing I know of this nice OS |
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19:15.30 | maese_camara | hola |
19:15.38 | knosys | anyway I think i will install a new OS this weekend... I have fresh jessie installation, and have been using debian last year, i think i will learn a different one |
19:15.47 | knosys | someone told me about archlinux, that it would be good for learning |
19:15.57 | Atroc | is it normal to receive daily 1.000 login attempts from china on my server? |
19:16.02 | nmschulte | greycat: it seems it was a combination of issues, stemming from fastcgi_params config and the server block inheriting root configuration. |
19:16.07 | knosys | hola maese xD creo que es obligatorio ingles en el general :P |
19:16.21 | knosys | pero solo creo |
19:16.32 | greycat | So you got it working? Cool! |
19:16.38 | jhutchins | Atroc: Running ssh on port 22? |
19:16.38 | nmschulte | indeed, thanks much. |
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19:17.07 | knosys | Atroc, I am not sure if its too much. But myself, with a home server that was online for just one month, i received a lot of them daily too |
19:17.12 | jhutchins | knosys: Debian might be better. Learn it right instead of easy. |
19:17.17 | Atroc | jhutchins: yeah. does this happen often or just me? |
19:17.25 | DingoSaar | knosys, perhaps Gentoo or Sabayon is for you? |
19:17.37 | jhutchins | Atroc: Pretty much guaranteed to happen. |
19:17.39 | srg | Atroc: It's not unusual, no. You can "escape" them by changing the SSH port. You can defend against them by securing sshd (there's many settings) |
19:17.39 | LordDeath | what is the correct way to restart /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server ? |
19:17.53 | LordDeath | according to checkrestart it is my only process that I have to restart |
19:18.11 | nmschulte | greycat: would you mind sharing your fastcgi_params file? |
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19:18.13 | LordDeath | but it is a child of init and there is no service or init.d entry for it |
19:18.21 | LordDeath | (as far as I know) |
19:18.23 | DingoSaar | I have learned quite some things with Gentoo... to determine the right parameters, USE clauses, and what can go wrong compiling and how to fix it |
19:18.36 | jhutchins | Atroc: The problem is that you can get so many connection attempts that it makes the system unresponsive. |
19:18.53 | Atroc | jhutchins: ah ok thanks. srg: i made a country whitelist. now it should be better. |
19:18.58 | knosys | jhutchins, ok... seriously, you have just convinced me, even without args, because i was crying in my inside because of giving up debian |
19:19.00 | srg | jhutchins: MaxStartups in sshd_config |
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19:19.06 | knosys | but maybe i should try wheezy again for now |
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19:19.29 | Atroc | or i change ssh port and make a honeypot |
19:19.33 | jhutchins | Atroc: You can also throttle the number of connections per second and lock out addresses that are trying too hard with iptables, but every packet still hits the kernel. |
19:19.55 | jhutchins | !es |
19:19.56 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
19:19.57 | Atroc | jhutchins: yeah but the ips always change but is always from "chinanet" |
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19:20.09 | knosys | jhutchins, the other day, a work mate was switching the month in my computer gnome calendar |
19:20.11 | knosys | and somehow |
19:20.19 | knosys | background windows poped up to the front |
19:20.24 | jhutchins | Atroc: You can firewall the APAC IP blocks, that helps some (if the firewall is an upstream device). |
19:20.24 | knosys | like if calendar wasnt there |
19:20.54 | knosys | those windows was even behind web browser, so web browser didnt came front, but the most background windows |
19:20.56 | jhutchins | Atroc: Best practice these days is to change the port. They can still find it, but the fact that you've done that means that you're security aware and probably not worth trying. |
19:20.58 | knosys | it was really weird |
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19:21.18 | DingoSaar | !eo |
19:21.22 | DingoSaar | !de |
19:21.22 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
19:21.26 | DingoSaar | nice... |
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19:21.36 | DingoSaar | !C |
19:21.36 | dpkg | See, or S-E-E. If you're too lazy to spell it out, we're too lazy to help you. |
19:21.46 | DingoSaar | !LISP |
19:21.46 | dpkg | [lisp] Let's Include Some Parentheses or a LISt Processor or want to learn lisp? Go to http://www.elwoodcorp.com/alu/table/learn.htm or <lithp> or at http://www.apl.jhu.edu/~hall/lisp.html, or loads of innovative semantic paradigms Let's Instinctively Slotski Parallel.. Lisp Is Super Powerful, or a speach impediment. Lisp beats the competition, read: http://www.paulgraham.com/paulgraham/avg.html. Lots of Insidious, Silly Parentheses |
19:21.56 | jhutchins | !message the bot |
19:22.03 | jhutchins | Sigh. |
19:22.05 | greycat | /msg dpkg lisp etc. |
19:22.11 | jhutchins | What he said. |
19:22.19 | knosys | (defun fixMyJessie(fix)) |
19:22.20 | knosys | xD |
19:22.25 | DingoSaar | just fooling around a bit... |
19:22.27 | knosys | i wish i knew lisp |
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19:22.45 | nmschulte | if my ssh server is on the Internet / routable, I disable password auth, disable root auth, and require keys. I also change the exposed ssh port to limit DoS, e.g. 22 -> 2022 |
19:22.52 | DingoSaar | knosys, what do you know in programming languages? |
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19:23.22 | knosys | just php , a little of java ... ansi C just basics (string managing and little more, also syntax) |
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19:23.38 | knosys | and nothing else xD other are scripting, javascript and a little bit of lua |
19:23.41 | knosys | and mysql :P |
19:23.46 | DingoSaar | (although I probably will be stoned if I give recommendations on which languages to learn...) |
19:23.54 | Atroc | jhutchins: ah ok thanks. its my first server for years so the attacks from china are new for me. they wouldn't crack it anyway because i copied their password list from their servers. they had a http server running with all their stuff. ;) |
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19:24.09 | DingoSaar | knosys, learn python - it is a well-designed language, versatile and useful. |
19:24.16 | knosys | DingoSaar, my best is PHP... and i already know its a bad language |
19:24.20 | knosys | everyone hates php xD |
19:24.28 | DingoSaar | knosys, a good point to start with functional programming is Haskell |
19:24.30 | nmschulte | I like php. |
19:24.30 | knosys | but i just learned at same time that a friend of mine... |
19:24.52 | jhutchins | knosys DingoSaar Languages are really offtopic here, we try to keep it to Debian Support questions. |
19:25.01 | DingoSaar | knosys, FreePASCAL is a PERFECT language to LEARN... |
19:25.02 | knosys | i like it too.. i get fun writing it... but i think i would get fun with any other :) |
19:25.04 | DingoSaar | jhutchins, sorry |
19:25.34 | knosys | DingoSaar, I started for first time with delphi , it was some kind of pascal I think |
19:25.46 | knosys | but i was a little boy, just made some stupid loadbars and so |
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19:25.55 | knosys | why would you recommend it? |
19:26.06 | DingoSaar | knosys, let's talk in private, sec |
19:26.14 | knosys | ok |
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19:28.48 | jhutchins | There's also #debian-offtopic |
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19:32.45 | srg | Hey guys. I have some large files (>2 GB) that I wish to transfer from my debian laptop to a windows laptop within the same LAN. There's many methods I can think of to do this (http server, ftp server, samba share..), but I'm wondering what would be simpliest (as in, minimal installed software and minimal configuration)? |
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19:33.11 | srg | The windows laptop isn't mine, so ideally no installed software on that end. |
19:33.23 | greycat | The simplest is probably "insert an 8GB USB storage device". |
19:33.38 | indrora | srg: I'm with greycat on this one. exfat knows how to handle big files. |
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19:34.23 | srg | ah, I was looking at it from a network approach, but that works too |
19:34.37 | greycat | Windows networking(tm)! |
19:34.50 | indrora | srg: I was also going to say, if you have Python installed, https://docs.python.org/2/library/simplehttpserver.html |
19:35.06 | indrora | Yes, Python comes with a free, builtin dirt-simple HTTP server |
19:35.13 | indrora | So does PHP |
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19:35.43 | greycat | Well, if your Debian system is already running sshd, you could install psftp (or equivalent) on the Windows box and pull files that way. |
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19:36.24 | greycat | In some setups that may be simpler than finding a sufficiently-large USB device. |
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19:36.29 | indrora | let's play "Golf our way to copying files over the network" |
19:38.17 | indrora | I mean, there's always `nc -l 5050 <(tar cvv ./)` on one side and `nc xxx:5050 | tar xvv` on the other. |
19:38.28 | greycat | not when "the other" is Windows |
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19:38.56 | indrora | greycat: netcat is available on Windows. |
19:38.56 | dami0 | is there any way to force to apt-get to install a package that is already installed, effectively overwriting the already installed one? |
19:39.14 | jelly | dami0: why do you want to do that |
19:39.16 | greycat | dami0: apt-get --reinstall install foobar |
19:39.22 | indrora | dami0: apt-get --reinstall install |
19:39.22 | jelly | (yes there is) |
19:39.26 | indrora | ninja'd. |
19:39.36 | dami0 | jelly: stuff broke |
19:39.44 | greycat | It won't overwrite modified config files, though. |
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19:39.50 | jelly | dami0: what stuff? config files or package contents? |
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20:12.03 | knosys | guys a file named /etc/inetd.conf should exist on my system (debian jessie) by default, right? |
20:12.20 | jhutchins | dami0: You can purge and reinstall. |
20:12.35 | jhutchins | knosys: Nope. |
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20:13.19 | knosys | Auch.. i am trying to find documentation on how to disable some services, but I am not getting very good information |
20:13.25 | greycat | I don't think there's a default inetd even on wheezy |
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20:13.37 | jhutchins | knosys: Debian uses a modular configuration system for Apache and it's all under /etc/apache2/ |
20:13.40 | greycat | knosys: it depends entirely on the service |
20:13.52 | knosys | update-inetd --disable telnet |
20:13.58 | knosys | shouldnt that work? |
20:13.59 | jhutchins | greycat: I think there's a fairly basic one that sets up the includes. |
20:14.04 | greycat | knosys: the debian version of that is "dpkg --remove telnetd" |
20:14.19 | knosys | ahhh thanks |
20:14.20 | jhutchins | D'Oh! inetd. |
20:14.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | um. |
20:14.21 | greycat | ls: cannot access /etc/inetd*: No such file or directory |
20:14.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | doesn't that remove the package entirely, leaving only config files? |
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20:15.07 | deicide34 | Just upgraded to Jessie yesterday. Everything went smoothly. Systemd works fine. |
20:15.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | i thought update-inetd --disable merely prevented it from being started by init but didn't actually delete it. |
20:15.11 | knosys | dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove telnetd which isn't installed |
20:15.11 | dpkg | knosys: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
20:15.22 | knosys | ops sorry bot mate |
20:15.23 | deicide34 | Just wanted to say one big thank you to all the devs |
20:15.24 | deicide34 | :) |
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20:15.50 | greycat | NoImNotNineVolt: I'm still convinced that removing telnetd is the correct thing to do. |
20:16.04 | jhutchins | greycat: You're right, not installed by default. |
20:16.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | seems rather presumptuous. |
20:16.45 | greycat | telnetd depends on "openbsd-inetd | inet-superserver" |
20:16.55 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: Considered good practice to remove telnetd on most systems. |
20:17.07 | greycat | so if you happen to install something like telnetd, it will bring in openbsd-inetd UNLESS you already have a different *inetd |
20:17.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | "on most", yes. |
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20:17.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | but that shouldn't that be the user's decision? |
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20:17.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | telling them dpkg --remove will only disable a service seems rather underhanded if not outright malicious. |
20:18.19 | greycat | NoImNotNineVolt: You might be thinking of --purge, which I did not say to do. |
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20:18.40 | greycat | Removing the package IS the standard debian approach for disabling most legacy services. You can just reinstall the package if you want it back. |
20:18.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | i thought the only difference between purge and remove was that purge would delete all conffiles too. |
20:18.51 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: There are very few good reasons to have a telnet daemon. |
20:18.52 | greycat | Correct. |
20:18.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | doesn't remove actually delete the binaries? |
20:18.59 | greycat | Yes. |
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20:19.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | jhutchins: yes, that's my point. that there _are_ reasons to have a telnet daemon. |
20:19.43 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: Name one. |
20:19.49 | greycat | If you're one of the 17 people on the entire planet who have a legitimate reason to install telnetd, then install it. |
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20:20.07 | knosys | I agree with greycat in that |
20:20.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | jhutchins: i'm not knosys. |
20:20.24 | jhutchins | The only one I can think of at the moment is "Trying to spoof a Cisco device". |
20:20.31 | knosys | -.- |
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20:20.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | there's very few good reasons to have a rootkit installed too. but if someone comes in here asking how to do X, and you give them instructions that instead remove their rootkit, you're being underhanded at best. |
20:20.59 | jhutchins | We don't usually install finger daemons either, and that's more secure. |
20:21.05 | greycat | what?! |
20:21.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | terrible analogy? :P |
20:21.45 | GPenguin | to run a Multi User Dungeon you need a telnetd, of course!! |
20:21.47 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: Removing the telnet daemon is a good way to disable it. You can always reinstall it. |
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20:22.04 | greycat | NoImNotNineVolt: your analogies do NOT change anything I said. Removing the binaries IS THE STANDARD WAY TO DISABLE UNWANTED SERVICES. The config files remain. If you want the service back, you can just reinstall the package. |
20:22.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | assuming it was the vanilla one from the debian repo. |
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20:22.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | of course, maybe he had a forked telnetd that he no longer has the deb for. and now it's gone. thanks, helpful internet people :P |
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20:22.45 | kdiz | could anyone help me find this? ........ 32 bit x86 (ia32) Debian Squeeze, with bash as the default shell and Linux |
20:22.45 | kdiz | kernel 2.6. |
20:22.50 | greycat | You're making up shit about a custom Debian-Based(tm) distro. We don't support that. |
20:22.53 | xavier` | <PROTECTED> |
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20:23.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | greycat: so since i build and package my own software, my whole debian install is unsupportable by you guys? |
20:23.32 | valdyn | xavier`: maybe you mean gnome-font-properties - I dont think that exists anymore, thats gnome 2 |
20:23.56 | greycat | NoImNotNineVolt: You would still have a copy of the .deb on whatever server you built it on. |
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20:24.01 | GPenguin | today seems to be nostalgy day |
20:24.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | if you install packages from unofficial sources, it's a "custom Debian-Based(tm) distro"? |
20:24.14 | greycat | NoImNotNineVolt: it's not like you, as a custom package developer, would ever DELETE the .deb file after installing it once. |
20:24.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's exactly what my ansible scripts do. |
20:24.29 | greycat | NoImNotNineVolt: Damn it, why am I feeding the troll? |
20:24.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | upload, install, delete. |
20:24.32 | greycat | Fuck tghis. |
20:24.38 | rww | looks amused |
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20:24.56 | kdiz | could anyone provide a link for ... this ---------> 32 bit x86 (ia32) Debian Squeeze, with bash as the default shell and Linux |
20:24.56 | kdiz | kernel 2.6. |
20:24.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | the folks in mentors never mentioned that this wasn't the debian way. |
20:25.19 | greycat | kdiz: https://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/ |
20:25.33 | xavier` | greycat : nope. I mean, in gnome-tweak-tool > fonts, one can change 'hinting'... can't you ? |
20:25.43 | GPenguin | kdiz: https://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/ |
20:25.54 | kdiz | which one will i need to download from there |
20:25.56 | kdiz | i386? |
20:26.02 | GPenguin | yeah |
20:26.03 | greycat | kdiz: i386 netinst CD image |
20:26.08 | kdiz | thank you all! |
20:26.23 | kdiz | awesome help! |
20:26.25 | valdyn | xavier`: yea, i can |
20:26.47 | xavier` | so... what did you mean |
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20:28.21 | valdyn | xavier`: why cant you change it? is the dialog missing? |
20:28.32 | xavier` | no. I can change. just no effect |
20:28.46 | valdyn | xavier`: youre running gnome 3 with gnome-shell? |
20:29.14 | xavier` | hm. gnome-shell ? hmm.. (newb here)... I guess no |
20:29.26 | valdyn | xavier`: live skin changes used to require gnome-settings-daemon, now its probably the same or its now gsettings-daemon |
20:30.00 | valdyn | xavier`: this would run automagically if you used gnome-shell, otherwise you have to start it yourself |
20:30.46 | xavier` | so I do not use gnome-shell |
20:30.47 | valdyn | xavier`: and gtk/gnome programs use that daemon if its running, otherwise they get their skin configuration directly from the config file, and only on startup |
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20:31.54 | xavier` | that's half chinese to me valdyn. is there sth i could do ? to get hinting working ? |
20:32.16 | xavier` | do you think it is a missign package ? |
20:32.17 | valdyn | xavier`: i think its working, but you have to start a new gtk/gnome program to see the effect |
20:32.30 | xavier` | oh I understand |
20:33.10 | valdyn | xavier`: the whole gnome/gtk system has 2 configuration mechanisms. One is on startup, using config files, the other is the daemon, enabling runtime changes. |
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20:33.39 | toqs | Hey I have a drive /dev/sda with an MS-DOS partition table but with no partitions. If execute fdisk -l I get the message: |
20:33.39 | toqs | The device presents a logical sector size that is smaller than the physical sector size. Aligning to a physical sector (or optimal I/O) size boundary is recommended, or performance may be impacted. |
20:33.51 | toqs | How come when the drive is empty? |
20:34.18 | valdyn | xavier`: except stuff like firefox or openoffice that are not really gtk - those 2 probably wont do runtime skin changes ever |
20:34.21 | toqs | Sorry I meant, fdisk /dev/sda |
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20:37.12 | valdyn | xavier`: feel free to look at ~/.config/fontconfig - thats one place those settings are stored - thats easy enough to read |
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20:39.01 | valdyn | toqs: thats a hint, telling you to be careful to create partitions at physical sector boundaries |
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20:40.27 | toqs | valdyn: Alright so it is not telling me that something is wrong with my drive? |
20:40.34 | xavier` | valdyn, you're right. it works. font changes whithin Tomboy. I thought it didn't work because of no immediate effects. :ashamed: |
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20:41.25 | valdyn | toqs: no |
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20:42.29 | toqs | valdyn: Ok thanks for the answer! |
20:42.55 | xavier` | thank you valdyn. |
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20:54.22 | DingoSaar | I have got a problem. I have installed webmin on Wheezy. |
20:54.41 | DingoSaar | On localhost, I can connect to it. |
20:54.43 | nkuttler | DingoSaar: webmin is not in debian |
20:55.13 | DingoSaar | nkuttler, it worked fine until sarge, and webmin still provides .deb files. |
20:55.30 | nkuttler | DingoSaar: if you need help with their packages you should ask them for support |
20:55.33 | DingoSaar | If there is an alternative to Webmin (that is not bloatware) I am happy to try it out.# |
20:55.55 | nkuttler | !tell DingoSaar about free whcp |
20:56.15 | DingoSaar | nkuttler, I am amazed of the politeness in IRC channels, mostly I like that you can tell a problem before getting "answers". |
20:56.29 | DingoSaar | Outside the server, the webmin port is filtered. |
20:56.45 | DingoSaar | I configured all I could in webmin. it is not a webmin problem. |
20:56.51 | DingoSaar | Now I am running out of options. |
20:57.01 | jhutchins | DingoSaar: Not being able to connect to webmin is an ideal situation. |
20:57.09 | nkuttler | ^^++ |
20:57.32 | DingoSaar | Is there anywhere in debian that filters non-standard ports? |
20:57.33 | teraflop | haasn: he |
20:57.39 | teraflop | ups |
20:57.51 | nkuttler | DingoSaar: debian doesn't filter anything by default |
20:57.55 | teraflop | I think webmin is toxic |
20:58.04 | nkuttler | nobody likes webmin |
20:58.30 | DingoSaar | yea, rite. That and 62cents help me sending a letter. I have to provide a frontend. |
20:58.45 | DingoSaar | If there are alternatives I am happy to try them out. |
20:58.59 | nkuttler | DingoSaar: the bot sent you a few pointers |
20:59.07 | jhutchins | DingoSaar: It's a waste of time trying to fix Webmin. It's more broken than you can fix. See the private message from dpkg for packages that actually work. |
20:59.21 | DingoSaar | My webhoster had Parallels Plesk; which I find there is REALLY reason to hate. |
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20:59.48 | jhutchins | DingoSaar: The one sure thing about webmin is that it will eventually break your system in ways that even an expert admin can't fix. |
21:00.24 | DingoSaar | hmpf... I had it in woody/sarge... didn't do anything ugly... |
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21:00.46 | DingoSaar | Anyone experience with GNU panel, or any of the other FLOSSes? |
21:00.55 | teraflop | DingoSaar: i have fights with customers about installing webmin, basically I refuse to do that |
21:01.01 | jhutchins | DingoSaar: Please see the private message from dpkg. |
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21:01.26 | DingoSaar | jhutchins, and my answer to that is: Anyone experience with GNU panel, or any of the other FLOSSes? |
21:01.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | um. |
21:01.46 | NoImNotNineVolt | any of the other FLOSSes in general? |
21:01.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | that seems like a very open-ended question. |
21:02.02 | DingoSaar | NoImNotNineVolt, sec. |
21:02.15 | DingoSaar | <dpkg> nkuttler wants you to know: FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
21:02.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | oh. |
21:02.34 | DingoSaar | GNUPanel seems to sound reasonable. |
21:02.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | FLOSS webhosting control panels. |
21:02.50 | DingoSaar | But anyone has experience with one of them? |
21:02.53 | jhutchins | DingoSaar: Generally people here expect that you be willing to learn proper console-based administration. We know that you sometimes have to support users who aren't willing to learn that and to control their options. |
21:02.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | yea, i recommend not using one of those. |
21:03.20 | NoImNotNineVolt | they just increase your attack surface for no reason. |
21:03.28 | jhutchins | DingoSaar: My experience with them (and I've managed webmin too) is to avoid using them if you can. |
21:03.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | it's like putting training wheels on a civic. there's no reason to, and plenty of reasons not to. |
21:03.57 | teraflop | ... because it ends in drama |
21:03.58 | jhutchins | DingoSaar: I much prefer that clients contact me and specify what changes they need, and that I do the work. |
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21:04.26 | indrora | DingoSaar: I have some experience using Ajenti for similar things. It really depends on what oyu're looking for. |
21:04.36 | DingoSaar | My first "Server" was a Pentium133 I used to connect one computer to DSL. That was 2002. I intalled an X-capable Sarge on a laptop, but after the upgrade between sarge and +1 broke my system, I switched to Gentoo. |
21:04.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | in general, panels are a terrible idea. |
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21:06.05 | DingoSaar | It is a non-profit project. I prefer that the people make the work themselves. |
21:06.43 | DingoSaar | My recollection of webmin WAS that it is quite low-level and does not do something perverted... obviously, I stand corrected. |
21:07.15 | DingoSaar | Right now, my two main points are: NOT Windows, and NOT Plesk. |
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21:08.46 | frangor | hi |
21:09.08 | dyce | im on a dedicated server (cant see the grub, don't even know if there is one). how do i update the kernel? i installed the latest but it defaults to the the one that came installed |
21:09.39 | teraflop | DingoSaar: something perverted as e.g apache virtual hosts with inmutable bits? |
21:09.51 | teraflop | and so on ... |
21:10.01 | dyce | if i remove the old one, will it default to the latest? |
21:10.46 | DingoSaar | teraflop, well, let's say that on a Pentium-133 from 2002-2007 apache virtual hosts were not that great a concern and leave it at that... ;-) |
21:11.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | in 2002, that computer was very obsolete. |
21:12.04 | DingoSaar | ...and cheap, and very much possible to use as a gateway. With nox, it could really do work. |
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21:12.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | cheap? |
21:12.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | please tell me you're kidding. |
21:12.20 | DingoSaar | To learn Debian, I recommend it... |
21:12.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | do you get free electricity or something? |
21:12.58 | DingoSaar | NoImNotNineVolt, I once got a replacement part by sending the seller a bar of chocolate Yes, I find that cheap. |
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21:13.09 | DingoSaar | ..and yes, there, I got free electricity. |
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21:13.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | you should've gone into business reselling electricity then :P |
21:13.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | money for nothin'. |
21:13.54 | DingoSaar | I /think/ the German Federal Defence had objected to that... |
21:14.05 | NoImNotNineVolt | anyway, for the cost of 1 month's power consumption on that box, you could get a raspberry pi that sucks down 99% less power. |
21:14.32 | teraflop | NoImNotNineVolt: or minnig bitcoins (not with the pentium 133) |
21:14.36 | mtn | !off-topic |
21:14.36 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
21:14.37 | DingoSaar | If I remember correctly, the first half of the 2000ers were the time where hardware design switched from "more power" to "more efficiency"... |
21:14.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | especially at german electricity prices :P |
21:14.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | sorry, thought i was in the other channel :P |
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21:15.28 | jhutchins | I'm afraid we've strayed pretty far from the topic of Debian support here. Please take it private or to a social channel like #debian-offtopic (which should still be about Debian). |
21:15.42 | DingoSaar | ahem... 2002. A Pentium-133 sufficed then to compute all BitCoin you could possibly have.# |
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21:42.17 | drwbc | somebody can help me with a question about hard disk hotswap |
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21:43.08 | drwbc | I have a one server ibm system x3650 |
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21:58.52 | teclo- | Hi, I'm getting mkswap: warning: truncating swap area to 133890kB |
21:59.02 | teclo- | when trying to create a 1G swap partition |
21:59.23 | teclo- | are swap partitions still limited to 128M like in the days of 2.0.x ? |
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22:01.46 | centrx | teclo-, no it should work, is your disk full or something? |
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22:05.40 | teclo- | centrx: no there's plenty of space, it's a disk I'm adding |
22:05.41 | teclo- | time mkswap -v -c /dev/hdb5 |
22:05.41 | teclo- | mkswap: warning: truncating swap area to 133890kB |
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22:12.33 | centrx | teclo-, What version of Debian are you using? |
22:12.45 | centrx | teclo-, All I see on the Internet about this is messages from 2002 about a 2GB limit |
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22:17.03 | ScottE | teclo-: does dmesg show any errors? |
22:17.08 | srg | I have Transmission (torrent client) on my Xfce desktop. I closed it by hitting the "x" in the corner. However, it still shows up in my process list and it's using network activity. How can I get it "back" ? |
22:17.20 | srg | If I run "transmission-qt" again, it opens a new instance of it. |
22:17.45 | centrx | srg, You may have transmission-daemon running? |
22:18.23 | srg | `ps aux | grep trans` shows a single process named "transmission-qt" |
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22:19.30 | centrx | srg, maybe it's going into XFCE's system tray/task bar? |
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22:19.54 | srg | Yeah I checked there, the icon isn't showing up. It did before |
22:19.55 | srg | hm |
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22:36.42 | teclo- | ah I found what the problem is |
22:37.15 | teclo- | I typed -v and -v means "version 0" so it means the old swap filesystem, which was limited to 128M |
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22:37.19 | teclo- | so it's my fault, sorry |
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22:37.27 | mircx1 | hola how i can find explain about install infobot-web? |
22:38.23 | centrx | Download and compile it, and put it in your home directory or /usr/local ? |
22:38.37 | mircx1 | yes |
22:38.37 | centrx | Doesn't look like there is a package in Debian for it |
22:38.46 | mircx1 | but is have something command in Terminal? |
22:39.46 | centrx | mircx1, correct |
22:40.34 | mircx1 | ? |
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22:41.40 | centrx | mircx1, Does this software have a website? |
22:42.07 | centrx | mircx1, one tutorial: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/06/install-from-source/ |
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22:44.13 | mircx1 | i have mysql |
22:44.17 | calisto | dpkg: jessie pool 1 |
22:44.17 | dpkg | ! jellÿ=2016-01-01 gsimmons=2015-08-27 peterrooney=2014-11-11 babÄ«len=2015-05-23 themÃll=2015-06-23 abrötman=2015-07-23 |
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22:51.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | How do I bump / add a version suffix to a package I'm building? Altering the changelog didn't seem to do it, at least when re-invoking dh_builddeb |
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22:53.03 | diskfish | I am running Jessie which contains libcgi-pm-perl 4.09-1. I need 4.09-2 for fixes related to gitweb. Can I install it from sid somehow without upgrading from Jessie? |
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22:55.15 | centrx | diskfish, yes, you can just download the file for your arch for sid/unstable from packages.debian.org/libcgi-pm-perl |
22:55.24 | centrx | install with dpkg -i |
22:55.57 | centrx | diskfish, may have to uninstall or update git first, because that's a difference in the dependencies of the two package (Breaks) |
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22:57.23 | diskfish | if so, dpkg -i of libcgi-pm-perl would tell me? |
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22:57.48 | centrx | yes |
22:58.12 | diskfish | I don't understand 'breaks'. FWIU, the new libcgi-pm-perl is required to FIX gitweb (#769960) |
22:58.23 | centrx | The only change in the package looks like it changed the dependencies |
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22:59.33 | centrx | to fix bug 767960 SEVEN |
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23:00.54 | diskfish | yes, seven |
23:01.57 | centrx | According to the changelog, this change should not fix anything with libcgi-pm-perl/git, except prevent libcgi-pm-perl from being installed with an incompatible version of git |
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23:05.33 | duckey | Is there a graphical version of recordmydesktop? If not is there a debian wikki? |
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23:06.18 | centrx | duckey, https://packages.debian.org/recordmydesktop shows a GTK version |
23:06.22 | dstokes | hey guys, i'm trying to create a package with dpkg-buildpackage but it fails on not finding the binary artifacts that i'm generating in debian/rules. where are those files supposed to go? |
23:06.29 | duckey | thanks friend |
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23:07.07 | centrx | Eduard_Munteanu, Try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
23:07.13 | diskfish | centrx: thanks. I dpkg installed sid's libcgi-pm-perl (4.09-2) and gitweb now works |
23:07.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | Thanks. |
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23:07.24 | uutop | can someone IN LAYMAN'S term... tell me the difference between debian ISO and CD |
23:07.26 | nucterf | Is it possible to boot into just the desktop from a debian CD, and not install? It seems to me like the last time I tried I wasn't able |
23:07.51 | diskfish | nucterf: yes, you want the Live CD |
23:07.53 | centrx | uutop, an ISO is an image of a disk, a CD is a disk |
23:08.11 | uutop | ok ty |
23:08.11 | uutop | ! |
23:08.31 | centrx | uutop, ISOs can be made in the form of a CD or DVD or USB, so the DVD one is too big to fit on a CD, etc. |
23:09.12 | nucterf | diskfish: I assume the standard one will do? I accidentally downloaded from the other distros earlier |
23:09.39 | moldy | does a default debian installation include a c compiler? |
23:10.18 | centrx | dstokes, Is it in the packaging tutorial or the New Maintainer's Guide? - /msg dpkg nmg |
23:10.25 | jhutchins | moldy: I don't think so. A dev environment is a security risk, so it's usually not installed by default. |
23:10.42 | diskfish | nucterf: go here for stable live CDs of Wheezy: https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
23:10.54 | jhutchins | moldy: You can install build-essential, which has everything including several kitchen sinks. |
23:11.01 | centrx | moldy, You can select the Development tools task or whatever it's called at installation |
23:11.26 | jhutchins | That too. |
23:12.04 | moldy | jhutchins, centrx: thanks. the reason for my question is actually not "how do i install a build environment?", but literally "is a c compiler installed by default?". i am trying to track down an issue. |
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23:12.27 | ompaul | moldy: and the answer is no |
23:12.31 | nucterf | thanks |
23:12.44 | jhutchins | moldy: I suppose the real question is "is a c compiler installed on this box": dpkg -l |
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23:12.55 | moldy | jhutchins, centrx: specifically, i wonder under which conditions running "pip install coverage" in a python virtualenv will not generate coverage's c extension |
23:13.10 | moldy | ompaul: yup, i can read ;) thanks |
23:13.22 | diskfish | nucterf: what are you installing ON? |
23:14.13 | moldy | jhutchins: no, the real question is literally the one i asked |
23:14.36 | moldy | jhutchins: because i am trying to gather information about the past of a machine, and i did not log stuff with that level of detail |
23:14.48 | dstokes | centrx: not from what i can see. talks about using debhelper, but not where the resulting binaries need to go for packaging |
23:14.58 | centrx | moldy, yes you usually want to install build-essential and python-dev or somesuch |
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23:15.44 | moldy | centrx: i tried to reproduce the issue, and apt-get purging build-essential and python-dev did not reproduce it |
23:15.49 | moldy | centrx: but apt-get purging gcc did |
23:16.16 | uutop | could anyone point me in the direction of IRC chat channel for setting up DHCP server for Debian Squeeze |
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23:16.28 | uutop | or would that be here? |
23:16.28 | centrx | moldy, removing/purging a metapackage like build-essential will not necessarily remove the packages it depends on like gcc |
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23:16.55 | centrx | moldy, I think the gcc -base package is in the Required priority so it's usually installed |
23:18.15 | centrx | uutop, The channel for the DHCP server you are setting up will probably have more expertise at configuring it |
23:18.16 | ompaul | apt-cache depends gcc and apt-cache rdepends gcc might be informative for wherever you are looking forward and back - I used gcc as an example |
23:18.24 | ompaul | it could be for anything |
23:18.47 | moldy | centrx: that's exactly my question. the upstream author doubts that a missing c compiler was the issue, but so far, i cannot imagine what else could have been the problem |
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23:18.55 | centrx | uutop, https://wiki.debian.org/DHCP_Server |
23:19.16 | uutop | thank you @centrx |
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23:42.46 | snadge | so this ssl update.. does it affect jessie ? |
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23:55.38 | ompaul | snadge: apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade :) |
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