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| 00:12.56 | zvz9 | where is '/proc/scsi/scsi' ? |
| 00:13.12 | t3rra | hello guys i have some kde effect problems |
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| 00:13.48 | g00se | Don't know what's happened to grub2 but it often drops me to an initrd prompt if i don't intervene manually at boot time in jessie. What gives do you think? |
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| 00:15.00 | centrx | zvz9, http://serverfault.com/questions/236711/where-is-proc-scsi-scsi-in-debian-6 |
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| 00:17.27 | polly | is there a command/script i can run to download the first 100 images from a google image search? |
| 00:18.24 | centrx | polly, You could use wget to get all the images on the page, but that may not get the full-size images just the thumbnails |
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| 00:18.31 | centrx | first x images on page |
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| 00:18.38 | zvz9 | mindmelting |
| 00:18.54 | centrx | polly, it's some AJAX BS though so might be tough |
| 00:19.09 | centrx | polly, Browser plugin might be a better bet if you don't want to write any code |
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| 00:19.40 | srg | yeah, images.google.com uses some javascript crap now |
| 00:19.53 | srg | I bet they do it just so that you can't parse it yourself in a regex or something |
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| 00:22.52 | polly | hmm |
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| 00:23.30 | srg | polly: See if there's a "plain html" version of images.google.com |
| 00:23.32 | srg | there might be |
| 00:23.36 | srg | that might make it easier |
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| 00:23.41 | srg | for "old browsers" |
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| 00:25.01 | polly | can i click the first image, save page, click second image, save page, etc, and then use a regex on it to find the link to the actual image |
| 00:25.22 | polly | also how would i do this, bash or perl or ? |
| 00:25.34 | mentor | wget? |
| 00:25.57 | zvz9 | what is the equivalent of '/proc/scsi/scsi' in /sys/class/scsi_host' ???? how to list scsi devices?? |
| 00:26.09 | centrx | polly, Search for 'google image scraper' |
| 00:26.10 | polly | yeah use wget after to the list/array i make from regex'd pages |
| 00:26.20 | polly | okok |
| 00:26.31 | mentor | wget has a recursive mode |
| 00:26.56 | polly | hmm, so just recursive with regex for jpg,png,etc |
| 00:27.04 | centrx | zvz9, lsblk will show all block devices, ones that start with sd are SCSI disks |
| 00:27.24 | g00se | Recursion will only help with a 'real site' normally |
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| 00:28.34 | g00se | (iow it recurses a directory - but in http) |
| 00:29.24 | zvz9 | centrx: yes, but what about '/proc/scsi/scsi' listing equivalent? |
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| 00:32.34 | centrx | zvz9, apt-get install lsscsi |
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| 00:32.43 | g00se | Plus - looks like Google doesn't like wget |
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| 00:34.11 | polly | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:41.50 | polly | g00se, im looking at the js on the html from wget google.com and i have no clue |
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| 00:42.54 | g00se | Yes, i'd probably have the same reaction ;) |
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| 00:43.33 | g00se | js is just normal these days - not necessarily obfuscation |
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| 00:43.47 | zvz9 | omg, do I miss the easy days of the 1990s when linux was linux |
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| 00:44.29 | g00se | Try a different image search engine maybe? |
| 00:45.05 | polly | zvz9, what do you mean? |
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| 00:45.13 | polly | g00se, yes, perhaps i shall try |
| 00:45.25 | zvz9 | today's linux is a mind-melting creature |
| 00:45.35 | polly | meaning? |
| 00:45.45 | zvz9 | my brain is gone |
| 00:45.54 | zvz9 | lunux stole my brain |
| 00:46.06 | polly | i dont understand... |
| 00:46.11 | zvz9 | just sucked it out and left gaping vacuum |
| 00:46.12 | polly | for what reason? what were you trying to do? |
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| 00:46.49 | zvz9 | gimme back my brain |
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| 00:50.04 | polly | theres an API for google image search, could i use that somehow? |
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| 00:52.11 | g00se | Why not? |
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| 00:52.49 | polly | idk, im looking into its abilities |
| 00:53.17 | g00se | Your least codey way would possibly to look into using it with Curl |
| 00:53.45 | g00se | s/possibly/possibly be |
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| 00:55.06 | polly | hmm okay |
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| 00:57.00 | g00se | Don't know what's happened to grub2 but it often drops me to an initrd prompt if i don't intervene manually at boot time in jessie. What gives do you think? |
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| 01:00.50 | centrx | g00se, re-run dpkg-reconfigure or other grub setup tools? |
| 01:00.54 | g00se | At one time there were umpteen kernels that i didn't install but i guess that's testing for you .. |
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| 01:01.38 | g00se | Maybe i'll start with a vanilla grub-install /dev/sda |
| 01:02.49 | centrx | +1 |
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| 01:08.58 | g00se | Well gnight and thanks centrx- shall do that tomorrow |
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| 01:12.26 | srg | If I am limited to 1000 GB/month, what is the maximum sustained speed I can maintain for that entire month without going over? |
| 01:12.31 | srg | does dem maths |
| 01:12.52 | humbot | calendar month? |
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| 01:13.18 | srg | yeah. I know it'll vary due to days, but say an average of 30 days |
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| 01:13.37 | srg | This is on a 1 Gbps pipe, but a limit of 1000 GB |
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| 01:16.39 | diginet | srg: just about 3 megabits/s |
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| 01:18.22 | humbot | which is nearly my limit, you hoover of bits |
| 01:19.07 | diginet | humbot: I have about 3 megabit connection, call me crazy but I really struggle to see what people use higher bandwidth for |
| 01:19.11 | diginet | besides torrenting |
| 01:19.28 | humbot | or more kids |
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| 01:21.37 | diginet | humbot: true |
| 01:22.18 | srg | My math got me 385.8 KB/s = 1000 GB in 30 days. |
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| 01:23.10 | diginet | srg: the difference was probably due to kibi/kilobytes |
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| 01:23.33 | humbot | bytes/bits |
| 01:23.58 | srg | ah, I used bytes |
| 01:24.09 | srg | my config file uses bytes for this |
| 01:25.18 | srg | this is for a tor relay |
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| 01:32.37 | srg | removes the running kernel |
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| 03:02.21 | mdim | hi all |
| 03:02.56 | mdim | I have a question about virt-convert, and I have a hard time finding anything on the web, hence hopefully some of you might have an idea |
| 03:03.23 | mdim | I've tried it with a couple of VirtualBox appliances in the OVA format, |
| 03:03.23 | mdim | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.40 | mdim | it reports: ERROR Couldn't import file "appliance.ova": must be string |
| 03:03.40 | mdim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:04.06 | mdim | because the tool is written in python, I came to suspect it is something with python |
| 03:04.19 | mdim | and some web searches indicate it might be related to the locale I have |
| 03:04.35 | mdim | but I have no clue why that is happening |
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| 03:06.07 | themill | mdim: the man page says only ovf files are supported, not ova |
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| 03:06.24 | styks19871 | Hey I am looking to buy a new laptop for a dedicated debian dev machine, anyone have suggestions for reliable resources I could comb through? |
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| 03:07.18 | themill | mdim: it also looks like you need to specify the input file as the first argument |
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| 03:09.58 | mdim | themill: I tried both, none of them work |
| 03:10.13 | mdim | .ova is just a tar archive containing a .ovf file and a disk image |
| 03:10.39 | themill | it just being a tarball doesn't mean the tool will work with it |
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| 03:11.42 | mdim | themill: I extracted the archive and tried the command directly on the files |
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| 03:13.16 | TheKarlBrown | Hey I cannot install debian because it does not detect AR8162L/QCA8172 |
| 03:13.34 | TheKarlBrown | Google tells me alx should work, but when I select it, debian installer tells me "no ethernet card detected" |
| 03:14.15 | TheKarlBrown | furthermore, it doesnt even ask for a wireless card |
| 03:15.59 | themill | It looks like you'd need a newer kernel than wheezy for that card. (wheezy-backports or jessie) |
| 03:16.51 | TheKarlBrown | can I get a jessie dl link |
| 03:17.08 | TheKarlBrown | amd64 |
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| 03:18.11 | TheKarlBrown | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/jessie_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/ im gonna assume ittts this |
| 03:18.39 | TheKarlBrown | ironically kali has no issue w it :3 |
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| 03:21.52 | TheKarlBrown | a remarkable amount of things require jessie |
| 03:21.54 | TheKarlBrown | its silly :3 |
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| 03:28.34 | jdpf | looks around curiously... is anyone here who knows anything about dkms? |
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| 03:35.51 | jdpf | I am getting dkms build errors on ALL of my dkms packages under Jessie. Is this occurring for anyone else? Packages are: fglrx v4l2loopback virtualbox-guest virtualbox. I am suspicious that something *else* is broken. |
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| 03:40.57 | Ring0` | pkg-config holds information about installed libraries? |
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| 03:42.08 | themill | jdpf: do you have the relevant kernel headers installed? (linux-image-$(uname -r)) |
| 03:42.18 | themill | err linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 03:43.00 | nimsy | I have a ridiculously frustrating soundcard issue. Currently I have purged ALSA and do not want anything more to do with it. Unfortunately, in the process of replacing ALSA with OSS4, I cannot get any of my Sound Settings to recognize either output or input. "osstest" returns a hardware response with some errors noted. Except for running "osstest" I have no sound output and I cannot use my microphone input. Debian kernel 3.16. Au |
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| 03:44.36 | jdpf | themill: confirming... yep: /usr/src/linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64. |
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| 03:45.12 | nimsy | My reason for purging ALSA was a persistent glitch where system alerts played a sound that reset the volume to MAX on event. I do a lot of late night computing, so I ended up causing myself to jump out of my own skin as well as pissing off my sleeping housemates. |
| 03:45.21 | jdpf | themill: unless I misunderstand. |
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| 03:45.55 | jdpf | themill: I see the module source in /usr/src/ for each of the above modules. |
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| 03:47.56 | jdpf | themill: hmm. does linux install 32bit modules into a 64bit kernel? |
| 03:48.08 | ayin | when i had a screenshot in iceweasel,"gvfsd-metadata" will be running,and the hdd keep writing. |
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| 03:48.46 | jdpf | themill: because I do not have the :i386 header package installed. |
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| 03:50.24 | ayin | what about debian without window manager.only cli. |
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| 04:15.13 | zefyr | its like debian but with a V and a french pronunciation |
| 04:19.16 | ryouma | the (dangerous) command "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda7 bs=100M" is running at 700M/s on a low-end hdd. is there anything that causes that besides caching? |
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| 04:23.52 | jdpf | ryouma: what is the ouput of your command when prefixed with "time"?: time dd bs=100M if=blah of=bim? |
| 04:24.49 | jdpf | themill: all of my dkms errors are identical. Compilation fails with: Value too large for defined data type |
| 04:25.18 | jdpf | themill: I compiled a recent kernel (the debian way) and it built just fine. as do other sources. |
| 04:25.27 | ryouma | jdpf: dunno, running now. but dd on a huge partition says a similar speed. just curious. |
| 04:26.35 | jdpf | ryouma: seems odd to me. is this M or MiB? |
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| 04:35.29 | Dan39 | can someone quickly explain how editing exim4 config works with the single-file? does exim4 just read the /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template file? or do i have to edit that and run some script that then splits it up? because i also see all of the separate files exist in /etc/exim4/conf.d |
| 04:35.53 | Dan39 | the whole config system just seems pretty epicly horrible |
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| 04:36.19 | jdpf | Dan39: split configs on debian are handled using an include directive in the master configuration file. usually. |
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| 04:36.55 | jdpf | Dan39: so that when a small change is made, it will be read into the config at runtime. |
| 04:37.10 | Dan39 | wonders why he sees the big single file, and also individual |
| 04:37.19 | Dan39 | o really, at runtime? but not if i edit the single file? |
| 04:38.10 | jdpf | Dan39: when you, say, service exim4 reload it will read all of the config directives in the split config dir. |
| 04:38.18 | Dan39 | right |
| 04:38.30 | Dan39 | obviously :P |
| 04:38.40 | jdpf | yeah. i realized i was bit pedantic there. :P |
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| 04:41.00 | jdpf | Dan39: for exim4 you will need to bake the configuration. see: /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 04:41.25 | Dan39 | ya annoying |
| 04:41.36 | Dan39 | what a horrible system they have going |
| 04:41.38 | Dan39 | ugh |
| 04:41.47 | jdpf | Dan39: /me prefers postfix anyway. |
| 04:42.00 | Dan39 | i have always used postfix in past |
| 04:42.08 | Dan39 | but decided to give exim4 a try since it's the default |
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| 04:43.12 | jdpf | Dan39: sure. i stopped using exim4 sometime after potato. |
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| 04:46.38 | Dan39 | im still confused |
| 04:46.44 | Dan39 | where is the actual dam config file |
| 04:46.46 | Dan39 | is there not one? lol |
| 04:47.49 | Dan39 | i see the exists 2 commands, update-exim4.conf.template and update-exim4.conf |
| 04:47.55 | Dan39 | so wtf |
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| 04:48.26 | Dan39 | i just want to edit the config! ffs |
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| 04:48.59 | jdpf | man update-exim4.conf |
| 04:49.44 | jdpf | Dan39: remember, the config needs to be preserved, and mail systems are historically prone to needing to build the configuration (bake, compile, somesuch). |
| 04:49.51 | jdpf | Dan39: remember sendmail? |
| 04:49.56 | Dan39 | im not old |
| 04:49.56 | Dan39 | lol |
| 04:50.33 | jdpf | Dan39: ok. well, sendmail's configuration was even more arcane. |
| 04:50.56 | jdpf | Dan39: so for many users, exim4 was astonishingly easy. |
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| 04:51.29 | Dan39 | well sure it seems easy to just edit and run the command |
| 04:51.40 | Dan39 | im just trying to follow what is actually happening haha |
| 04:52.10 | ryouma | jdpf: whatever gkrellm shows |
| 04:52.14 | jdpf | Dan39: i think the man page for update-exim4.conf makes the link pretty clear. |
| 04:52.25 | Dan39 | yea it's helping |
| 04:52.26 | Dan39 | :) |
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| 05:02.40 | Dan39 | https://wiki.debian.org/Postfix |
| 05:02.41 | Dan39 | wtf o_O |
| 05:02.56 | Dan39 | somebody gone an messed up the wiki :O |
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| 05:04.42 | Benjaminhusky | https://wiki.debian.org/Postfix?action=recall&rev=37 here you go |
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| 06:37.34 | deitarion | Is there a higher-level way to amend the set of files a .deb will install than manually fiddling with tar and ar? (I'm using checkinstall to simplify undoing a `make install`, the underlying CMake install script didn't bother to provide a .desktop file or icon, and I don't feel like screwing around with it at the moment.) |
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| 06:48.21 | jelly-home | deitarion: dpkg --extract foo.deb foo/; dpkg --extract foo.deb foo/; edit stuff inside foo/; dpkg -b foo . |
| 06:48.53 | deitarion | jelly-home: Thanks. That's exactly what I was looking for. |
| 06:49.14 | jelly-home | deitarion: sorry, that second one ought to be dpkg --control foo.deb foo/ |
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| 06:49.42 | jelly-home | deitarion: man dpkg-deb for details |
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| 06:59.07 | deitarion | Thanks again. It worked perfectly. :) |
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| 07:25.56 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 07:29.07 | mcgreg | I have a external ssd connected to my computer. when I copy data from my internal SSD to my NAS the copy-speed is around 40MB/s - while it is about 80-90MB/s with windows 7 (also internal SSD) . Is there anything wrong configured here? |
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| 07:29.30 | mcgreg | erm, forget the first part , the external ssd has nothing to do with this... |
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| 07:35.10 | TvL2386 | mcgreg and we must assume your running debian when observing the 40MB/s? :-) |
| 07:35.23 | TvL2386 | *you are |
| 07:35.40 | mcgreg | of course |
| 07:35.52 | TvL2386 | :-P |
| 07:35.57 | mcgreg | I wouldn't be asking here else |
| 07:35.59 | TvL2386 | maybe some samba tunables? |
| 07:36.16 | rozie | external ssd, internal ssd. I'm lost |
| 07:36.31 | TvL2386 | maybe play with mount options to increase send/receive buffers |
| 07:36.31 | rozie | 08:29 < mcgreg> erm, forget the first part , the external ssd has nothing to do with this.. |
| 07:36.34 | mcgreg | sorry. both debian and windows 7 are on the same SSD HDD |
| 07:36.34 | rozie | ahm OK |
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| 07:37.03 | rozie | mcgreg: how is computer connected to NAS? |
| 07:37.14 | mcgreg | 1GB Ethernet |
| 07:37.22 | TvL2386 | what's the FS you're copying from in debian? Under windows it would be ntfs I assume |
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| 07:38.18 | mcgreg | debian EXT4 / Windows7: NTFS / the NAS is some Synology Linux based |
| 07:38.20 | rozie | mcgreg: start copying and run top, tell us which processes uses most CPU |
| 07:38.42 | rozie | I believe it may be smb issue |
| 07:39.54 | mcgreg | Plasma-desktop ~ 40% / Xorg 30% / kio SMB ~ 25% from TOP |
| 07:40.16 | mcgreg | using Dolphin/KDE |
| 07:40.20 | TvL2386 | mcgreg, I would play with the mount.cifs mount options (man mount.cifs). First guess wsize=... and rsize=... |
| 07:41.39 | TvL2386 | it seems you'll get different defaults for different kernels |
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| 07:43.57 | mcgreg | btw, copying with gftp gives me a speed of ~80 MB/S |
| 07:44.43 | TvL2386 | which also gives more credibility that the problem has something to do with cifs |
| 07:45.01 | TvL2386 | how do you mount? |
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| 07:45.37 | mcgreg | dolphin does, I just go to "Network" , choose NAS - it asks for login data |
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| 08:00.07 | jgin | I installed wheezy on my laptop but it does not seem to detect wireless networks |
| 08:00.12 | jgin | can anyone help? |
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| 08:12.05 | knownbad | Probably needs nonfree firmware. |
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| 08:14.02 | jgin | anyone here? |
| 08:14.11 | no_gravity | yo |
| 08:14.18 | jgin | I got some issues |
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| 08:14.31 | jgin | I got wheezy on one of my PCs |
| 08:14.39 | knownbad | Find a suitable nonfree installation iso. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 08:14.40 | jgin | but it can't detect wireless networks |
| 08:14.48 | jgin | Ok |
| 08:14.52 | jgin | I'll try that |
| 08:15.04 | jgin | so I have to reinstall? |
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| 08:15.38 | knownbad | You can side load with firmware if you can find them. |
| 08:16.02 | jgin | okay |
| 08:16.21 | knownbad | Search firmware- to find matching firmware package. |
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| 08:19.27 | jgin | I managed to find firmware for my wireless card |
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| 08:19.35 | jgin | but there's stable and backports |
| 08:19.41 | jgin | which one do I choose? |
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| 08:20.11 | knownbad | Up to you as long as either one works for you. |
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| 08:20.19 | jgin | okay |
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| 08:31.37 | jgin | when I try to install firmware for my wireless card, |
| 08:31.42 | jgin | I get this error |
| 08:31.45 | jgin | GDBus.Error:org.gtk.GDBus.UnmappedGError.Quark._pk_5ftransaction_5ferror.Code4: SimulateInstallFiles not supported by backend |
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| 08:40.50 | furhun | yo? |
| 08:41.26 | furhun | I am unable to connect to my android via BLuetooth |
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| 08:42.06 | furhun | on Phone it says paired but not connected while on debian, the device settings including the "Connected: Off" button, all are grayed out and disabled.. |
| 08:42.14 | furhun | i can send files to the phone though |
| 08:42.50 | furhun | On Ubuntu it used to work, i would even play audio via bluetooth through my laptops speakers.. but now it wont even connect. on Debian. |
| 08:42.55 | furhun | is anyone there? |
| 08:43.01 | jelly-home | nope |
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| 08:43.54 | jelly-home | or at least, noone knowledgeable about ever-changing shape of bluetooth on linux |
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| 08:44.36 | furhun | ... |
| 08:44.53 | furhun | like i said it used to work on Ubuntu... by any chance does it carry an packages that debian doesnt |
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| 08:49.36 | jelly-home | I read somewhere about 30% of packages in ubuntu comes from their own sources, only 70% is imported from debian |
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| 08:51.52 | furhun | only 70? |
| 08:52.06 | bazhang | ,v bluez |
| 08:52.07 | judd | Package: bluez on i386 -- squeeze: 4.66-3; wheezy: 4.99-2; jessie: 5.23-2+b1; sid: 5.23-2+b1 |
| 08:52.27 | furhun | bluez is already there |
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| 09:02.56 | StaticLNX | Does anyone know of a good guide to setting up debian Jessie as a good linux router? |
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| 09:12.56 | dutchfish | StaticLNX, only routing is easy, you dont need a manual for that, just enable it; however if you meant a firewall thats another cup of tea |
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| 09:14.05 | dutchfish | StaticLNX, also see `sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward` |
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| 09:15.04 | G66k | hello everyone , im having a problem with vsftpd |
| 09:15.12 | G66k | i cant remove it |
| 09:15.21 | G66k | dpkg: error processing vsftpd (--remove): |
| 09:15.21 | dpkg | g66k: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 09:15.51 | StaticLNX | I've got a problem with machines behind getting out despite `sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1' and them seeing eachother/talking fine |
| 09:16.33 | StaticLNX | *not getting out |
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| 09:16.59 | dutchfish | StaticLNX, explain 'not getting out', what you are trying to do, what does the logs tell? |
| 09:17.03 | G66k | http://pastebin.com/tWuBNZD6 |
| 09:17.59 | StaticLNX | they arent able to leave the local network |
| 09:18.39 | dutchfish | StaticLNX, of couse not, private nets arent suposed to route to non-private networks, you needs some form of address translation |
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| 09:19.18 | dutchfish | StaticLNX, hold on, i google a link for you |
| 09:19.35 | StaticLNX | ya I tried masqurade via iptables |
| 09:19.45 | StaticLNX | ty |
| 09:19.55 | dutchfish | StaticLNX, http://whatismyipaddress.com/nat |
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| 09:20.06 | RDash | G66k, first hit on google.... search for this: subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 09:21.16 | dutchfish | StaticLNX, also read about how firewalls work and the intrinsecs about iptables, netfilter and friends |
| 09:21.39 | dutchfish | StaticLNX, have fun |
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| 09:21.51 | StaticLNX | ty |
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| 09:28.03 | dutchfish | StaticLNX, apropos, ones you understand iptables and friends, setting it up is as easy as pie, see http://www.bctes.com/nat-linux-iptables.html |
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| 09:28.29 | dutchfish | StaticLNX, but start studying, iptables and friends first, so you have a rough idea what is going on |
| 09:28.29 | StaticLNX | ty |
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| 09:28.48 | StaticLNX | yup |
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| 09:29.07 | StaticLNX | thanks again |
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| 09:29.10 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 09:30.03 | nixz | hello guys..I am trying to install mongodb.. but it keeps freezing on waiting for headers.. any idea? |
| 09:30.15 | factor | Can I turn on and off a vpnc vpn connection via dbus with commandline? |
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| 09:34.02 | G66k | RDash thanks :) |
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| 09:47.13 | nkuttler | nixz: sounds like your mirror is down |
| 09:47.26 | nkuttler | !tell nixz about sources.list |
| 09:49.12 | hTmlDP | Hello, I've just installed the NVIDIA drivers for NVIDIA ION2. Now my favourite Quake2-based game crashes with segfault - http://img.htmldp.com/scrn_10-40-54.png. OpenGL works. |
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| 09:50.09 | RDash | hTmlDP, please submit a full error report instead of a screenshot : / |
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| 09:51.21 | hTmlDP | RDash: http://goo.gl/kE3woF <- pasted it here |
| 09:51.34 | surf | hi guys I'm thinking about using my laptop at work and switch to my pc at home. Do you think it's reasonable to maintain two identical /home folders and rsync them as soon as I arrive home? |
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| 09:52.31 | RDash | hTmlDP, and which game is it? Quake 2 based can be over 100 games >_<" |
| 09:52.53 | RDash | surf, why not? |
| 09:53.09 | hTmlDP | RDash: Digital Paint: Paintball 2, http://digitalpaint.org |
| 09:53.14 | nkuttler | surf: no |
| 09:53.31 | surf | nkuttler, why not? |
| 09:53.34 | RDash | nkuttler, how so? |
| 09:53.57 | nkuttler | surf: it's a mess imo. you can just try it though, maybe it works for you |
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| 09:54.34 | RDash | nkuttler, it always worked for me though, I use owncloud for it but it does work ;) |
| 09:54.51 | RDash | nkuttler, only thing you got to remember is that both systems are identical as possible |
| 09:55.07 | nkuttler | RDash: you should talk to surf |
| 09:55.09 | surf | how can I use owncloud for this? |
| 09:55.25 | RDash | surf, simply mirror your whole home directory :) |
| 09:55.31 | nkuttler | of course rsync breaks as soon as both sides change |
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| 09:56.16 | RDash | surf, if you have a personal git server on a raspberry Pi or some thing you can simply use your personal git server for it (which I use) |
| 09:56.21 | RDash | next to owncloud |
| 09:56.23 | surf | nkuttler, mmm that could be a problem, but using owncloud this is not a issue right? |
| 09:56.29 | RDash | hTmlDP, have you checked your libraries? |
| 09:56.58 | nkuttler | surf: no idea, i don't use php for data that's supposed to be secure |
| 09:57.01 | RDash | hTmlDP, cause it crashes on your sound on /dev/dsp |
| 09:57.05 | surf | RDash, right now I use git for code |
| 09:57.08 | hTmlDP | RDash: no it does not |
| 09:57.18 | hTmlDP | RDash: it had been running with nouveau |
| 09:57.31 | RDash | hTmlDP, did you reboot to blacklist nouveau? |
| 09:57.46 | hTmlDP | RDash: IT IS BLACKLISTED |
| 09:58.02 | hTmlDP | RDash: i've even seen the nvidia splash screen |
| 09:58.08 | RDash | surf, if you make a private git repository on 'some' server or pc and it is private simply git which is easyest to my experience :) |
| 09:58.19 | RDash | hTmlDP, alright |
| 09:58.41 | RDash | hTmlDP, you sure you never needed /dev/dsp? |
| 09:58.49 | hTmlDP | yes, i'm sure |
| 09:59.01 | hTmlDP | it had been running with 7 fps with nouveau |
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| 09:59.12 | RDash | hTmlDP, yea that is obvious :D |
| 09:59.31 | hTmlDP | and I'm sure /dev/dsp is not the problem |
| 09:59.40 | surf | RDash, ok but right now I git just some specific (code related) folders... maybe with owncloud is better to maintain more folders (like to whole /home) in sync |
| 09:59.57 | surf | RDash, you have both a git server and owncloud on the rpi? |
| 10:00.02 | RDash | hTmlDP, from my experience my sound driver crashed pretty much every thing a wile ago :P |
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| 10:00.32 | RDash | surf, I use owncloud as backups and git to apply the changes |
| 10:00.33 | hTmlDP | RDash: well, OpenGL works |
| 10:00.46 | hTmlDP | RDash: +I can run Xfce |
| 10:00.47 | hTmlDP | so |
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| 10:01.57 | surf | RDash, ok. And is owncloud working ok on the rpi? |
| 10:02.11 | RDash | surf, it works quite well especially on RPi2 |
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| 10:02.50 | surf | RDash, oh ok |
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| 10:04.27 | hTmlDP | any help ? :| |
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| 10:04.59 | RDash | hTmlDP, it seems to be one of your libraries I am reading the documentation for ya atm |
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| 10:05.35 | hTmlDP | ok :| |
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| 10:05.50 | hTmlDP | RDash: should i try reinstalling them? |
| 10:06.05 | RDash | hTmlDP, personally I still think it is your alsa driver crashing it :P |
| 10:06.32 | RDash | Although I am annoyed like hell because they use cheap ass VForce grills and tippman markers |
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| 10:06.49 | RDash | and yet they do not wear battle packs and their hands are wrongly around the gun at most irritating screenshots :P |
| 10:07.26 | RDash | I personally preffer Ego Lv1 with VSpire Loader and Stako air bottles |
| 10:07.51 | RDash | crappy documentation tells nothing about required library's : / |
| 10:08.54 | RDash | it is all windows based : / |
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| 10:09.49 | RDash | hTmlDP, can you check if you have these packages installed? ibgcrypt, libgpg-error, libjpeg, libpng12, libstdc++, libpthread, libgcc_s, libXxf86vm, libXau, libXdmcp, libXext, libXdamage, libXfixes, libdrm, libX11, libGL, libxcb, libz, libdl, librt, libm, libc |
| 10:10.22 | RDash | all 32 bit btw |
| 10:10.22 | hTmlDP | RDash: I have, it had been working with nouveau |
| 10:10.32 | hTmlDP | i'm on x86 so |
| 10:10.47 | RDash | hTmlDP, can you VERIFY if you have those packages installed |
| 10:11.10 | hTmlDP | ok |
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| 10:13.39 | RDash | brb boss is calling |
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| 10:16.03 | hTmlDP | RDash: yes i have |
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| 10:55.28 | Guest51119 | Hey all, anyone know how I can run arp-scan / nmap to check for duplicate MACs? |
| 10:55.29 | Guest51119 | Hey all, anyone know how I can run arp-scan / nmap to check for duplicate MACs? |
| 10:55.29 | Guest51119 | Hey all, anyone know how I can run arp-scan / nmap to check for duplicate MACs, thanks in advance |
| 10:55.35 | Guest51119 | sorry about that -_- |
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| 11:01.05 | dutchfish | Guest51119, dont go there, just use arp logging, there is a readymade package for it |
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| 11:02.40 | dutchfish | Guest51119, aptitude show arpwatch |
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| 11:06.16 | Matrix | why is "selinux-policy-default" package missing in Jessie? |
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| 11:07.25 | dutchfish | Matrix, https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/SELinux |
| 11:08.46 | dutchfish | Matrix, or ask #debian-next |
| 11:09.25 | Matrix | k |
| 11:09.26 | Matrix | tn |
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| 11:57.40 | RDash | Why do some prefer aptititude over apt-get ? : / |
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| 11:58.45 | miskatonic | aptitude's interactive interface makes it easy to explore alternatives and consequences |
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| 12:00.24 | RDash | hrm |
| 12:00.28 | RDash | never thought of that :P |
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| 12:19.17 | pythonsnake | hey I have a very weird problem |
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| 12:19.28 | pythonsnake | my shell freezes itself, although it's not a network problem |
| 12:19.34 | pythonsnake | when I reconnect all my bash_history gets cleared |
| 12:19.36 | pythonsnake | corrupted? |
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| 12:21.08 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, is this a dualhomed network in the machine? |
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| 12:21.36 | pythonsnake | dutchfish: nope |
| 12:21.38 | pythonsnake | it's a dedi |
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| 12:22.43 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, my next best bet is then .bashrc or it could be modified on logon, check the usual things like rules in passwd, what shell is invoked, .bashrc and friends |
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| 12:23.20 | pythonsnake | dutchfish: I've checked |
| 12:23.23 | pythonsnake | they dont look fishy |
| 12:23.31 | pythonsnake | what are rules in passwd? |
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| 12:24.12 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, next step is do a debcheck (debsums), and maybe a rootkitcheck, if you are sure you are the only admin |
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| 12:24.58 | pythonsnake | dutchfish: oh I think it does that if I write to HDD |
| 12:25.03 | pythonsnake | im gonna try to confirm |
| 12:25.27 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, passwd, defines login shell, if any etc |
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| 12:25.47 | pythonsnake | INFO: task jbd2/sda2-8:213 blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
| 12:25.48 | pythonsnake | [89385.335255] "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message. |
| 12:25.51 | pythonsnake | i get a lot of that in dmesg |
| 12:25.54 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, maybe redirect to a scissertailed script |
| 12:26.23 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, that smells like FS or hardware failure |
| 12:26.34 | pythonsnake | dang |
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| 12:27.12 | pythonsnake | yup, confirmed that it hangs when I try to write something with vim |
| 12:27.24 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, check your last boot logs, is a diskcheck sheduled on boot? at least make a backup if you havent done that already |
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| 12:27.45 | pythonsnake | dutchfish: but it doesn't hang with normal echo/touch stuff |
| 12:27.51 | dutchfish | i cant stres people enough to make backups |
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| 12:28.27 | pythonsnake | ok |
| 12:28.31 | pythonsnake | I'm checking boot logs |
| 12:28.45 | dutchfish | mm.. maybe only part of the platter is affected, again logs are your friend |
| 12:29.15 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, but my adducated gues is hardware failure |
| 12:29.46 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, that is if you are th eonly admin |
| 12:30.01 | pythonsnake | nothing seems out of ordinary in syslog |
| 12:30.08 | dutchfish | ok |
| 12:30.18 | pythonsnake | dutchfish: btw the symptom that got me notice this is that php stuff stopped working |
| 12:30.26 | pythonsnake | 504 Gateway Time-out |
| 12:30.28 | pythonsnake | long loading times |
| 12:30.30 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, what debian version? |
| 12:30.33 | pythonsnake | randomly works (rarely) |
| 12:30.41 | pythonsnake | dutchfish: I've done a recent kernel upgrade |
| 12:30.53 | pythonsnake | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.54 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, what kernel? |
| 12:31.05 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, from backports? |
| 12:31.25 | pythonsnake | yeah |
| 12:31.43 | pythonsnake | hm wait |
| 12:31.47 | pythonsnake | not sure if from backports |
| 12:31.51 | pythonsnake | I don't recall getting it from backports |
| 12:31.56 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, check that out first |
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| 12:32.17 | pythonsnake | how do I check that again? |
| 12:32.46 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, you own notes? your logs? what kernel did you came from? why you did the upgrade? |
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| 12:34.05 | pythonsnake | hm it's from normal repos |
| 12:34.14 | pythonsnake | dutchfish: I come from a backdoored OVH kernel |
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| 12:34.31 | pythonsnake | their custom stuff doesn't allow virtualbox |
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| 12:35.16 | pythonsnake | dutchfish: would it be safe to post dmesg logs? |
| 12:35.53 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, i hope you know what you are doing, far beyond what this channel will support, but besides that i would start with debsums of all there is on the box, if this is not hardware, that is what i would check first |
| 12:36.33 | pythonsnake | Alright I'm doing that |
| 12:36.41 | pythonsnake | lol apt-get gets hanged as well |
| 12:37.53 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, do you have physical acces to that machine? |
| 12:38.10 | pythonsnake | nope :( |
| 12:38.28 | pythonsnake | hm something looks fishy |
| 12:38.43 | pythonsnake | a shell message gets printed two times instead of one |
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| 12:38.54 | pythonsnake | maybe I have to recheck the bashrc stuf |
| 12:38.56 | pythonsnake | f |
| 12:39.11 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, then stop experimenting, download all logs, and start studying; also figure out a way for backup; just my 2 cents |
| 12:39.17 | pythonsnake | wtf rm gets hanged too |
| 12:39.24 | pythonsnake | dutchfish: ok |
| 12:40.20 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, for a clean backup (disk dump, rsync) you better getting physical access, if your data is worth saving, unless you have already good backups |
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| 12:40.46 | pythonsnake | definitely a bash problem |
| 12:40.52 | pythonsnake | tried with sh and it works |
| 12:40.58 | pythonsnake | lol who knew sh would be useful one day |
| 12:41.11 | pythonsnake | dutchfish: I've been always lazy to set up a proper backup route |
| 12:41.13 | pythonsnake | lol |
| 12:41.17 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, just be carefull |
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| 12:41.44 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, backup your machine as soon as possible |
| 12:41.56 | pythonsnake | tar the whole / ? |
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| 12:42.20 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, depends on how sure you are, this is not hardware |
| 12:42.27 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, if not, sure |
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| 12:43.14 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, but in this case, i would myself take this offline, boot with a cd and make the tar dump |
| 12:43.53 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, your gues is as good as mine |
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| 12:44.40 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, if you suspect, it is hardware, i would backup in small parts, starting with /etc and use data |
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| 12:44.54 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, to not stress the hardware even more |
| 12:45.47 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, good luck |
| 12:45.55 | pythonsnake | nvm bash is not the problem T_T |
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| 12:46.12 | pythonsnake | dutchfish: thanks |
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| 12:47.22 | dutchfish | pythonsnake, next time, plan for backups and never continue an owned box, better safe then sorry |
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| 12:47.53 | rgr | I log in to debian via text prompt. I start X and my desktop manually with xinit. Now here's the rub : I can connect to devices via adb (android debug bridge) from the command line fine before I start X via xinit but invariably NOT after X has started and xfce4 and xmonad are loaded. Nowhere do I have an USB specific apps running. When I quit X back to the command line and I can connect just fine again. Any ideas? |
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| 12:53.19 | UNIXwz0r | Hello where can i go to talk about init system for debian on irc freenode ? |
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| 12:54.38 | dutchfish | UNIXwz0r, what is your specific question? |
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| 12:56.12 | UNIXwz0r | my question is that when i removed systemd on jessie (8) and install openrc, it install upstart, and giving me a multi init system, and when i remove upstart, as I just want OpenRC only, i couldn't reboot i lost, reboot, poweroff, and shutdown binaries and also i reset it on vbox, and the system wouldn't boot. |
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| 12:57.32 | dutchfish | UNIXwz0r, that is correct; however in regards to your question about using OpenRC, i dont know; but you better off asking that in #debian-next |
| 12:57.48 | UNIXwz0r | ok thanks dutchfish |
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| 12:57.56 | UNIXwz0r | i will go there now |
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| 12:59.17 | UNIXwz0r | Hello i'm testing out Jessie iso cd1, and when I install openrc, and removed systemd, it gives me still multi init system as it install upstart, as I don't want multi init, I just want to use OpenRC, is it possible that jessie can use just openrc alone or do i need to have 2 init system ? |
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| 13:00.13 | dutchfish | UNIXwz0r, i believe that was for #debian-next? |
| 13:00.27 | UNIXwz0r | i did type debian-next |
| 13:00.29 | UNIXwz0r | :/ |
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| 13:01.06 | UNIXwz0r | as i just go to status and i press up and done this ---> /j #debian-next |
| 13:01.17 | rgr | err, thats irc client dependent. |
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| 13:01.57 | dutchfish | UNIXwz0r, oftc, but i gues you knew that? |
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| 13:01.59 | skribblezatcha | UNIXwz0r: debian-next is on a different network. its on otfc. do you know how to get there? |
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| 13:02.19 | UNIXwz0r | i see |
| 13:02.25 | UNIXwz0r | its not on freenode ? |
| 13:02.30 | dutchfish | nope |
| 13:02.52 | skribblezatcha | no it isnt. so in your client enter: /server irc.oftc.net |
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| 13:02.56 | UNIXwz0r | well i don't support other irc network, so i guess i will have to google search my stuff, as nobody in here wants to help me with debian jessie init |
| 13:03.14 | dutchfish | UNIXwz0r, its not wanting, but not able too |
| 13:03.15 | skribblezatcha | once you connect enter: /nick whatever you want to use, and then enter: /join #debian-next |
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| 13:04.01 | skribblezatcha | well UNIXwz0r, sorry that you dont support another irc network bro..although oftc is actually debian's official irc network. :) |
| 13:04.17 | UNIXwz0r | oh |
| 13:04.39 | skribblezatcha | yeah so its ok and its safe UNIXwz0r. ;) |
| 13:04.51 | UNIXwz0r | well it's fine umm i wll just have to DIY and learn from just testing out stuff anyhow its in the vbox so its no harm on my host so yeah |
| 13:05.15 | UNIXwz0r | its fine, i thought maybe i could get some help here |
| 13:05.55 | skribblezatcha | i understand. yeah i tried to do the same thing a while ago and was sent to #debian-next so i feel you. |
| 13:05.56 | UNIXwz0r | i just don't understand why debian 8 is giving me multi init though |
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| 13:06.21 | rgr | you can. jessie is frequently helped with here. Some people try and bully you into moving but ignore them. its 99% likely to be a common issue - though not in initd and systemd stuff as you probably know. |
| 13:06.43 | skribblezatcha | well can i ask you this UNIXwz0r, did you upgrade from wheezy to jessie through terminal and in doing so..did you happen to change your sources preferences so that systemd wasnt installed while upgrading first? |
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| 13:07.25 | UNIXwz0r | no i have got the jessie cd1 disc of x86_64 and x86 |
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| 13:07.51 | jelly-home | rgr: usage of openrc is probably far from common in Debian |
| 13:08.19 | UNIXwz0r | yeah its to see it on jessie though so kudos, and i know this comes from debian/hurd and debian/kfreebsd |
| 13:08.24 | UNIXwz0r | nice* |
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| 13:08.40 | skribblezatcha | ok i see UNIXwz0r, thanks. see, thats when its going to be hard to remove systemd because in doing so..as you can see it removes everything else in your system..especially if you try and remove every lib along with it such as libsystemd-login0..it will try and remove your current DE and everything else on the system too. |
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| 13:09.30 | UNIXwz0r | its fine i just want to remove systemd completely from debian 8 :P and use another init system of choice as im starting it as bare bone anyhow |
| 13:09.52 | skribblezatcha | i dont dig the whole systemd thing UNIXwz0r, so i am actually waiting for another distro to do its thing before i upgrade to jessie so that i can use their repo's to do so and hopefully avoid using systemd altogether. |
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| 13:10.45 | skribblezatcha | well if you grabbed the cd1-iso thats not bare bones..and you may want to start from wheezy and change your preferences to avoid installing systemd, and then try to upgrade to jessie. |
| 13:11.02 | UNIXwz0r | im playing with this in VM so to me its fine to do whatever :P i don't want to wait on people, as i want to learn as well so doing it on your own, with some community if i can get any would be nice, and thanks for the feedback and information |
| 13:11.30 | skribblezatcha | starting with a minimal net install is your best bet in also being successful in doing that..and if you can get libsystemd-login0 out of the mix you are good to go. |
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| 13:12.00 | UNIXwz0r | well minimal net install will still install sytsemd |
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| 13:12.08 | themill | (this channel is for solving real problems not for whinging about imaginary ones) |
| 13:12.19 | skribblezatcha | most are saying that at this point to completely remove it from your system you are going to have to compile it out, hence the controversy because nothing should have to be compiled out of a system to not use it..because it shouldnt be compiled in to everything. |
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| 13:12.31 | skribblezatcha | themill: this is a real problem, so thanks. :) |
| 13:12.41 | themill | having an unused library on your system is not. |
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| 13:13.04 | skribblezatcha | unused library themill? which is? |
| 13:13.13 | skribblezatcha | and for who, you? |
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| 13:13.24 | UNIXwz0r | ok i can do that thanks, so basicly take the iso and mount it to loop grab the iso source.. untar initrd and basicly modified the preseed ? |
| 13:13.26 | themill | If you're not using it, then it doesn't harm you. If you are using, then you clearly need it. |
| 13:13.52 | jelly-home | UNIXwz0r: frankly, I'd ask in #debianfork -- they seem to have similar goals to yours, and I don't want to ban you from here as well merely because your stated goal is technically unsound |
| 13:13.57 | skribblezatcha | yeah UNIXwz0r, try that and see what you can do. |
| 13:14.28 | skribblezatcha | UNIXwz0r: thats a good idea and i am in #debianfork right now. |
| 13:14.35 | themill | BTW renaming a library from libck to libsystemd-logind doesn't actually make it any better or worse and you'll have had libck on every debian install for most of the last decade. |
| 13:14.38 | UNIXwz0r | ok thanks jelly |
| 13:14.52 | mayaa | I, I'm trying to install debian, but after the installation, I got a grub error : unknown filesystem, do you know how to fix that ? |
| 13:14.55 | jelly-home | themill: it has systemd in the name it's EVIL!!! *sigh* |
| 13:15.01 | themill | indeed. |
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| 13:15.49 | UNIXwz0r | jelly i do not think its evil just do not agree with it model and design, anyhow i will go to debianfork and thanks for the info |
| 13:15.51 | jelly-home | previously: people who REALLY wanted to install libreoffice when it got forked, even tho openoffice in debian was the same thing |
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| 13:15.59 | UNIXwz0r | bye |
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| 13:16.20 | skribblezatcha | themill, senseless responses. |
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| 13:16.50 | centrx | crackling retort |
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| 13:19.49 | g00se | A good test of systemd's claims is to get it to send you a mail when a box is being closed down and receive that mail successfully |
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| 13:25.45 | leafwiz__ | Hey, my debian system is taking a long time to boot, and I don't see much readout while booting. The system is running systemd. Is there away to get more output in console? |
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| 13:27.19 | leafwiz__ | I have done the systemd-analyze , but things there seem fine. |
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| 13:28.04 | g00se | leafwiz__: Have you checked your HD? |
| 13:28.53 | dutchfish | leafwiz__, "Set log level. As argument this accepts a numerical log level or the well-known syslog(3) symbolic names (lowercase): emerg, alert, crit, err, warning, notice, info, debug." |
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| 13:29.43 | dutchfish | leafwiz__, also see: systemd(1) and systemd-system.conf(5) |
| 13:29.45 | leafwiz__ | g00se: I have an new SSD. I think this has to do with a virtualbox guest starting up, but I have uninstalled virtualbox. Still slow boot. |
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| 13:30.47 | dutchfish | leafwiz__, there is a wiki as well https://wiki.debian.org/systemd |
| 13:31.10 | pksadiq | leafwiz__: Did you blame systemd-analyze? so you can see time for each process |
| 13:31.10 | RDash | Just a plain question in my mind: Are other systems comprimized due 'SuperFish' outside lenovo? |
| 13:31.32 | dutchfish | RDash, offtopic, but no as far as i know |
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| 13:31.55 | leafwiz__ | pksadiq: yeah, i did a systemd-analyze blame, but it seems fine. |
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| 13:32.14 | leafwiz__ | the time reported there does not add up, to the time it taks to boot. |
| 13:32.17 | RDash | dutchfish, alright and it was kinda ontopic cause at reddit their bashing it is also possible on other systems. But if they are affected it is unknown : / |
| 13:32.42 | RDash | although lost the link later on this mornign |
| 13:32.44 | leafwiz__ | But I would like to get more readout of the boot, so I will follow the wiki, and see if that will help me |
| 13:32.51 | dutchfish | RDash, for that we have #d-o, but okish |
| 13:33.09 | RDash | dutchfish, is that the full channel name? |
| 13:33.19 | jelly | RDash: windows-only software is very, very offtopic here. #debian-offtopic |
| 13:33.20 | dutchfish | RDash, #debian-offtopic |
| 13:33.54 | RDash | Thanks, I was only wondering it though* ill put such questions in #debian-offtopic from now on :) |
| 13:34.27 | g00se | RDash: You can check with https://filippo.io/Badfish/ |
| 13:34.40 | RDash | g00se, thanks! <3 |
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| 14:29.52 | nebbia | hello everyone... i can't install gwave... |
| 14:29.56 | nebbia | can somebody help me ? |
| 14:30.01 | nebbia | i have a debian testing |
| 14:30.09 | nebbia | why it isn't in the repo ? |
| 14:30.24 | nebbia | i saw the package is in oldstable and unstable... |
| 14:30.29 | nebbia | what is oldstable? |
| 14:31.08 | centrx | oldstable is the previous stable release before the current stable release |
| 14:31.10 | mtn | nebbia: https://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html might have some answers for you |
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| 14:32.14 | nebbia | how can i install gwave... i downloaded the deb... but fail dependencies... |
| 14:32.28 | nebbia | can i enable unstable repo only for gwave ? |
| 14:32.41 | nebbia | or how to install the oldstable ? |
| 14:32.49 | bazhang | ,v gwave |
| 14:32.50 | judd | Package: gwave on i386 -- squeeze: 20090213-3; sid: 20090213-4 |
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| 14:33.48 | centrx | nebbia, You can add a line for unstable sources, install this package with apt-get, then remove the unstable line. However, |
| 14:33.53 | centrx | nebbia, It sounds like this may update some other libraries on your system to unstable, so beware of that, you will have a slightly different system than Debian 8 when it's released |
| 14:34.04 | nebbia | i have an amd64 |
| 14:34.05 | bazhang | what version of debian you on nebbia |
| 14:34.07 | centrx | nebbia, Also this particular package looks like it may be buggy, that's why it was removed from testing |
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| 14:34.46 | nebbia | Debian GNU/Linux 8 \n \l |
| 14:35.09 | nebbia | Linux nghost 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-2 (2014-11-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:35.20 | pksadiq | nebbia: there is a package named gtkwave. I think its too a wave viewer, and I hope thats what you want. But I haven't used any of those. |
| 14:35.47 | nebbia | gpl ? |
| 14:35.58 | nebbia | now i'll try it... how did you find this alternative ? |
| 14:36.50 | nebbia | are there ways to find alternatives to packages ? |
| 14:37.36 | pksadiq | nebbia: available in repo, gtkwave is a project from gEDA. found via apt-cache search :-) |
| 14:37.38 | centrx | nebbia, apt-cache search waveform |
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| 14:38.10 | SaucisseSeche | Jessie, please do me. |
| 14:38.16 | nebbia | anyway no... it doesn't work like gwave... =( |
| 14:38.27 | nebbia | can't get it to functioning |
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| 14:44.34 | rapha | hey guys! is there a good and simple tutorial somewhere that leads you through creating a debian package from something packaged as a .tar file so far and then creating a simple repository for it, too? |
| 14:44.42 | centrx | !nmg |
| 14:44.42 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 14:49.05 | nebbia | i think i'll temporarily enable unstable repo |
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| 15:13.46 | nebbia | how can i comfortably divide a file like this ? |
| 15:13.47 | nebbia | http://pastebin.com/64HuCB9h |
| 15:14.04 | nebbia | i want to output only the first two columns |
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| 15:14.08 | nebbia | or the first and the third |
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| 15:16.37 | nkuttler | nebbia: something like awk '{ print $1 $3 }' file.txt |
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| 15:18.01 | nkuttler | nebbia: or cut -f1,3 |
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| 15:19.11 | rapha | centrx: thank you! |
| 15:19.12 | nebbia | cut doesn't work |
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| 15:20.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | it doesn't cut it, eh? |
| 15:20.29 | rapha | centrx: omg these are huge documents! is there nothing that for starters walks you through building a package step-by-step? |
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| 15:23.13 | nebbia | awk worked... |
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| 15:23.16 | nebbia | cut didn't |
| 15:23.19 | rapha | centrx: nevermind ... starting from point 2.2 seems to be a simple enough tutorial. |
| 15:23.42 | centrx | rapha, Yeah docs are comprehensive, you just have to find the crucial bits you need |
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| 15:41.22 | spal | I see that the output of `apt-get update` becomes longer and longer as time goes by. Example: http://paste.debian.net/154035/ . Can someone please explain me why this happens? |
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| 15:43.51 | nkuttler | spal: because there are more diffs |
| 15:44.16 | nkuttler | nebbia: cut assumes \t, see man cut |
| 15:45.24 | jelly | spal: it's trading spent bandwidth for extra lines in your output. Compare lines 13 and 39. |
| 15:45.52 | jelly | !pdiff |
| 15:45.53 | dpkg | The <apt> package manager supports "pdiff" files that allow apt-get/aptitude/synaptic to download diffs of the repository's Packages files instead of downloading the entire file every time. To disable use of pdiffs for one run, «apt-get update -o Acquire::PDiffs="false"». To permanently disable, add «Acquire::PDiffs "false";» to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98nopdiff |
| 15:45.56 | nebbia | was interested in doing it with cut |
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| 15:47.25 | spal | thanks jelly. I have one further question. Right now, the pdiff files in my output have names like 2015-02-19, 2015-02-20, etc. If I perform a dist-upgrade now, later it will be downloading pdiff files with names containing 2015-02-22 and later? |
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| 15:48.56 | jelly | spal: it only downloads pdiff files created after the last update. |
| 15:49.19 | spal | thanks jelly |
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| 15:49.39 | jelly | spal: and I think you mean "update", not "dist-upgrade". The latter doesn't look if the repo contents have changed. |
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| 15:51.27 | spal | okay jelly |
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| 15:53.17 | spal | !why not aptitude |
| 15:53.17 | dpkg | Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 15:53.30 | spal | the tinyurl link is broken. can someone please fix it? |
| 15:53.59 | nebbia | it is not broken... |
| 15:54.02 | spal | I would like to know what was present in the tinyurl link in the dpkg factoid for <why not aptitude> |
| 15:54.05 | nebbia | you should just not copy the final dot |
| 15:54.13 | nebbia | http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9 |
| 15:54.15 | nebbia | try now |
| 15:54.20 | spal | oh, yes, thanks. |
| 15:55.00 | nebbia | yw |
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| 15:58.46 | wulllst | how would i be able to display the name of my currently used gtk theme? i'm on openbox. |
| 15:59.14 | Siente | Hello, I would like to install Debian on my PC the one and only problem is how to go online during the setup my connection type is DHCP, but I don't have any idea why it's not getting my settings automatically |
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| 15:59.41 | nkuttler | Siente: how do you connect to the network? cable, wifi, ... |
| 15:59.55 | Siente | nkuttler, cable |
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| 16:00.10 | nkuttler | Siente: odd. is the interface up? /sbin/ifconfig |
| 16:00.26 | Siente | nkuttler, what I didn't get it? |
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| 16:02.48 | gregor15522 | hi, I'm running jessie and want to downgrade my vlc-version. However, "aptitude version vlc" only shows me one available version (the installed one) |
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| 16:02.59 | Siente | nkuttler, what do you mean? |
| 16:03.23 | gregor15522 | should I edit my sources.list to use repos from older debian versions? (is it safe?) |
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| 16:04.36 | jelly | gregor15522: it's reasonably safe. There's no warranty the older software will work at all, but it probably also won't break other components. |
| 16:05.14 | jelly | gregor15522: what's wrong with vlc in jessie? |
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| 16:05.37 | nkuttler | Siente: run the ifconfig command |
| 16:05.41 | nkuttler | !tell Siente about paste |
| 16:05.52 | gregor15522 | not sure, tbh. Some driver problem appearently. |
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| 16:07.45 | gregor15522 | if you're interested, you can google "alsa audio output error: cannot estimate delay: Broken pipe". I don't really understand it. |
| 16:08.22 | gregor15522 | audio stutters in vlc basically, but it works fine in mplayer/aplay/any other program. Even in Kdenlive, which afaik uses vlc for playback? (not entirely sure here) |
| 16:08.39 | c-c | I added file 'all.users' under /etc/sudoers.d/ that contains only one line: %sudo ALL = (ALL) ALL |
| 16:08.45 | c-c | but users cannot sudo? |
| 16:09.07 | c-c | Debian Jessie RC1 |
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| 16:09.21 | valdyn | gregor15522: vlc can be set to alsa or pulse - both may work, one may work broken as yours, have you tried both? |
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| 16:09.39 | Siente | nkuttler, done http://codepad.org/DAXQ8DHS |
| 16:09.52 | gregor15522 | I have banished pulseaudio from my system. |
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| 16:14.17 | Nurbs | I have just noticed that experimental contains versions of KDE packages such as 4:14.12.2-1 while testing/unstable are at 4:4.14.0-1 - what's the point? Is the idea to have KDE's 4.14.12 as Debian's 4:14.12? That sounds horrible; in case the versioning is broken one would have to abandon that idea again, or not? |
| 16:14.32 | dashs | I'm building a 'media' appliance and want to change inittab to login a given user -- but need that home directory nfs-mounted b4 login -- can this be done? |
| 16:14.57 | valdyn | Nurbs: experimental versioning is regularily broken |
| 16:14.57 | nkuttler | Siente: looks like you're networked |
| 16:15.43 | valdyn | Nurbs: or rather, that package is just old, experimental does not need to have just new versions |
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| 16:17.16 | Siente | nkuttler, yes, but it's like this, because I've set my settings manually |
| 16:17.32 | Siente | nkuttler, but If I don't set them manually I am offline and it's weird |
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| 16:17.52 | Siente | nkuttler, and I don't have any idea how to go online during the setup with the network installer for example |
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| 16:19.01 | Nurbs | valdyn: Thanks, but nevermind, I should have read the changelgo and kde.org first; applications seem to be versioned that way. Confusing. |
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| 16:20.26 | shiin | I'm working on automating package setup with apt-get, but -qq doesn't quite do what I expect. I still get lots of Reading database.. prints. I don't want to completely ignore stdout as it still might prompt for something relevant like config updates or give important notices. I've also googled around without success. Any suggestions? |
| 16:20.57 | valdyn | !wayttd shiin |
| 16:20.57 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, shiin? |
| 16:21.59 | shiin | Wrapping apt-get commands in fabric. There's too much boring output, even with -qq. |
| 16:22.22 | valdyn | shiin: thats not a purpose, thats a means |
| 16:22.31 | valdyn | shiin: so - why are you trying to do it? |
| 16:22.39 | shiin | I'm trying to disable the Reading database output? |
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| 16:22.58 | valdyn | shiin: so redirect to /dev/null |
| 16:23.31 | shiin | it shouldn't redirect everything to /dev/null though, there might still be relevant package information. |
| 16:24.07 | shiin | Like I said, I could ignore stdout completely, but that's not helpful when there are any prompts. |
| 16:24.12 | valdyn | shiin: so is it you just dont find apts verboseness esthetically pleaseing? |
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| 16:24.38 | valdyn | shiin: usually people want to achieve something productive, not just that |
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| 16:24.54 | shiin | Productivity could be improved by having to read less noise. |
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| 16:25.28 | c-c | Seen a script that adds existing user(s) to sudoers group? Not 'this' user or 'param_user' but users that exist on the system? |
| 16:25.39 | valdyn | shiin: so, seems to me, you need to write a wrapper that picks lines to suppress |
| 16:26.01 | shiin | I see. Well that helps. Thank you. |
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| 16:27.41 | valdyn | shiin: id rather see those lines you mentioned, because i know what its doing and which time it being stuck i can expect |
| 16:29.11 | shiin | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/FjbdFiup |
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| 16:29.58 | valdyn | shiin: i see, that a serial console? |
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| 16:31.00 | boodie | Hi everybody: I am planning to upgrade my HW (at the moment an obsolete Athlon 64 - dual boot OS = debian stable + Win XP). Can anyone reccomed a website where I can identify what to buy, so to avoid problems with deb? |
| 16:31.37 | valdyn | boodie: do you want to buy a wlan chip? |
| 16:32.05 | valdyn | boodie: almost everything is supported, its easier to pick what you want and then see if just that is supported |
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| 16:32.36 | boodie | wlan chip? |
| 16:32.48 | valdyn | boodie: wireless network interface |
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| 16:32.56 | shiin | valdyn: I don't know how to answer that question. It is what fabric does remotely via ssh, and then relays back to my terminal. |
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| 16:33.36 | bller | Morning peps |
| 16:33.50 | sweb | how can i set new $PATH for all users ? i want to install nodejs in /opt also set $PATH for all users ... for exampel www-data user dont access node binary commands |
| 16:33.50 | valdyn | shiin: apt-get -qq update | grep -v "(Reading database ..." <- maybe thats all |
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| 16:34.08 | sweb | for one users set .bashrc will work but i need to install for all users |
| 16:34.20 | bller | edit /etc/bashrc |
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| 16:34.23 | boodie | At the moment I have a desktop connected to a wireless router, it works - I would rather keep this setup, it works |
| 16:34.23 | bller | and add whatever you need |
| 16:35.05 | bller | then source the file |
| 16:35.05 | valdyn | boodie: support for wireless hardware is probably somewhat annoying, everything else is supported - unless you have very specific requirements |
| 16:35.13 | c-c | Does Debian Jessie RC1 have some strange bug. This time as a root I: $ adduser user_name sudo |
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| 16:35.35 | c-c | then exit su, and sudo-apt-get install, it reports user is not in sudoers group. |
| 16:35.42 | c-c | How is that possible! |
| 16:35.50 | boodie | At that point, would you go for a INTEL or AMD? |
| 16:36.02 | valdyn | c-c: new group membership is only active after a new login |
| 16:36.10 | valdyn | c-c: exiting su does not do that |
| 16:36.28 | c-c | valdyn thanks |
| 16:36.30 | c-c | indeed! |
| 16:36.31 | valdyn | boodie: the cpu is totally irrelevant, get what you like and can afford |
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| 16:38.59 | c-c | how would I get a list of usernames into an array in a script? |
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| 16:43.18 | andril | hello |
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| 16:50.05 | Walex | c-c: #bash |
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| 16:50.52 | Walex | boodie: anything released 1-2 years ago is very likely to be supported. |
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| 16:51.30 | Walex | boodie: your sdesktop probably is connected to a wireless router by cable, not by WiFi. |
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| 16:51.56 | boodie | Yes, ethernet |
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| 16:52.08 | Walex | boodie: the one major exception to "most stuff" being supported is intel graphics, but for those there are official backports. |
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| 16:52.45 | Walex | boodie: very recent intel CPUs have graphics chips that are not supported by the kernel/X in Debian 7/Wheezy. |
| 16:53.14 | boodie | So, how can I identify these? |
| 16:53.22 | valdyn | boodie: you dont want to |
| 16:53.28 | valdyn | boodie: you want to use jessie |
| 16:53.37 | boodie | Is it stable? |
| 16:53.53 | valdyn | boodie: almost |
| 16:54.02 | Walex | boodie: it is unreleased but works for most people. |
| 16:54.38 | valdyn | boodie: on a desktop you really want that, on a server probably not |
| 16:54.45 | boodie | I would rather keep stable |
| 16:55.32 | valdyn | boodie: if you want wheezy, then its a) use backports for many or most of your hardware or b) by stuff that is more than 2 years old |
| 16:57.14 | valdyn | boodie: i bet this is confusing, but since we dont even know what you want to do with that machine except "desktop", good advice is hard to give |
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| 16:58.52 | nse | I am on testing just because Haswell drivers were not supported by stable. Everything works fine here. |
| 16:59.16 | Walex | nse: 'wheezy-backports' has the backported kernel. |
| 16:59.40 | Walex | boodie: there is no official list or database of 1-2 million model numbers and whether they are supported in Debian. |
| 17:00.06 | nse | Walex: Yes, I know. But I found it more simple to just go Jessie. |
| 17:00.35 | c-c | Walex just be honest and say you dont know |
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| 17:00.40 | andril | just learned my Jessie lesson yesterday |
| 17:00.48 | c-c | Walex: also angry greetings from #bash |
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| 17:02.06 | c-c | Walex: comments like < Riviera> c-c: bash doesn't know anything about that, so that advice was silly. |
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| 17:04.50 | c-c | I think I must assume there is no way to automatically add users (unless names inputted as params) to sudo via script |
| 17:04.58 | boodie | So , on the worst of cases, jessie or wheezy backport. |
| 17:05.13 | Walex | c-c: you worded your question improperly perhaps... |
| 17:05.19 | c-c | I mean, no way to automatically add users (unless names inputted as params) to sudo via script, in Debian |
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| 17:05.50 | rejak | systemd sucks balls |
| 17:05.58 | Walex | c-c: I usually recommend #bash to people who want to misunderstand and misuses shell scripting. people in #bash do a lot of that. |
| 17:06.01 | boodie | I use it to 1) browse internet, 2) office like applications 3) occasional videogame (on windows) |
| 17:06.42 | Walex | rejak: no, 'systemd' as many say actually "works", in the same way that MS-Windows "works" too. |
| 17:06.44 | c-c | Walex: I think Riviera is right |
| 17:07.14 | Walex | c-c: actually the 'bash' command can do arrays. |
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| 17:07.25 | c-c | I can do arrays, yes. |
| 17:07.38 | c-c | But theres no way to list human users. |
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| 17:08.03 | c-c | Ie. human users with a login account (not atm logged in users) |
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| 17:08.46 | c-c | My script gets all packages to apt-get install as arrays https://github.com/csmr/jesbang/blob/dev/jes.sh |
| 17:09.15 | Riviera_ | Walex: you send people who want to misuse shell scripting to #bash? 8) |
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| 17:09.52 | Walex | c-c: as it often happens here I suspect that there is a vast gap between your resources and your goals, but out of respect I must assume that you know what you are doing and thus I delcare myself confused |
| 17:10.04 | c-c | How about you stick to on topic? |
| 17:10.07 | Walex | Riviera_: same for 'iptables', I suggest Netfilter. |
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| 17:10.20 | Walex | Riviera_: same for 'iptables', I suggest #Netfilter. |
| 17:10.22 | c-c | Walex: why assume anything. Ask. |
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| 17:11.04 | c-c | Walex: now you sound like the condescending people in #bash. How about you go in #bash with your own advice and see how you like the attitude. |
| 17:11.08 | Riviera_ | Walex: well, that "who want to misuse / misunderstand" sounded curious, but .. nevermind. :) |
| 17:11.19 | Walex | Riviera_: there is a lot of misuses of scripting in #bash under the idea that 'bash' is an ordinary programming language like Perl or Python |
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| 17:11.47 | Walex | Riviera_: they are "legitimate" misuses, but they are still not quite right, from my point of view. |
| 17:11.51 | c-c | Walex: jft, my script uses arrays as arguments to function that apt-get installs packages https://github.com/csmr/jesbang/blob/dev/jes.sh |
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| 17:11.59 | c-c | *jftR |
| 17:12.03 | Riviera_ | Walex: yup, then it seems a bit odd to recommend it. |
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| 17:12.29 | Walex | Riviera_: I recommend it to people who try to misuses it :-) |
| 17:12.36 | Riviera_ | "Oh, I think what you want to do is bad, here, those people will help you with it!" 8-) |
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| 17:12.45 | Walex | Riviera_: more or less yes :-) |
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| 17:14.20 | Walex | Riviera_: same with 'iptables', another dangerous topic: typical question about 'iptables' does not make a lot of sense to me, so I refer them to #Netfilter where there are quite a few people with the same attitudes :-) |
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| 17:16.40 | jelly | c-c: determining which account belong to "human users" may not be trivial, and largerly depends on your environment |
| 17:16.56 | c-c | Actually it is trivial. |
| 17:17.11 | c-c | Environment is bash in Jessie |
| 17:17.19 | Walex | c-c: I have read quickly a couple of times your script and I would not be too proud of it, but there are here and there elements that promise a better future. |
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| 17:17.33 | c-c | Walex: its not the current version. |
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| 17:17.47 | c-c | Walex: whats the "I would not be proud of it part about?" |
| 17:17.51 | Riviera_ | oh dears 8-) |
| 17:18.08 | c-c | Walex: do you have something to contribute? |
| 17:18.28 | Walex | c-c: but from it I guess that your current query is related to "add users to sudoers, so all users can sudo" |
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| 17:18.36 | c-c | jelly: I'm reading Debian Sys-admin manual, and it states: UIDs 1000-29999 are normal user accounts. |
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| 17:18.45 | jelly | Walex: I have to force myself to let coworker drudge out horrible scripts and put them to use, because they learn best by practicing |
| 17:19.05 | jelly | c-c: yes. IF your admin was careful and followed that to letter. |
| 17:19.17 | Walex | jelly: sometimes practice makes better, but sometimes practice makes ingrained :-) |
| 17:19.20 | jelly | c-c: and if you have less that 29k users |
| 17:19.21 | c-c | Walex: it used to work, when the script was run as normal user, with sudo everywhere. I am converting it to an automated script that is run as root. |
| 17:19.32 | c-c | Walex: funny, you assumed too much again. |
| 17:20.18 | Walex | c-c: I must continue to confess myself confused as I it is difficult for me to understand much of what you say. |
| 17:20.32 | jelly | is missing some context here, only scrolled back to [17:38] <c-c> how would I get a list of usernames into an array in a script? |
| 17:20.33 | c-c | jelly: well, given that the script that needs to add users is directed for openbox fans who want a lightweight desktop, right after netinstall finishes, its safe assumption. |
| 17:20.56 | c-c | Walex: did you mean, you assume very much even if you know you dont know the facts and circumnstances? |
| 17:21.14 | c-c | Like I said, that seems to lead to condescending behaviour. |
| 17:21.28 | jelly | c-c: oh, that's even simpler then. Right after netinst finishes, there's exactly one normal user, with uid 1000 |
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| 17:22.14 | c-c | so, whats left to figure out is how to coax the username string for that uid from /etc/passwd into a bash-script variable |
| 17:22.15 | jelly | c-c: perhaps it's better to focus on the tech issue instead of perceived condescendence |
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| 17:22.44 | c-c | No worries, I won't be participating here anymore! |
| 17:23.16 | jelly | c-c: getent passwd 1000 | awk -F: '{print $1}' |
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| 17:23.35 | Walex | c-c: "coax the username string for that uid from /etc/passwd into a bash-script variable" is actually understandable and indeed something like "hjelly"'s |
| 17:24.00 | jelly | or | cut -d: -f1 |
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| 17:24.08 | c-c | jelly: I would do cat /etc/passwd | grep 1000 | cut -d: -f1 |
| 17:24.23 | Junka | what's the user 'debian-+' ? |
| 17:24.31 | Walex | V="`getent passwd 1000 | cut -d: -f1`" |
| 17:24.32 | jelly | c-c: that might yield incorrect results |
| 17:24.51 | c-c | oh, ok |
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| 17:25.31 | jelly | Junka: "ps" and some other commands shorten usernames longer than 8 characters in some situations, that + probably stands for "there's more characters here" |
| 17:26.11 | Walex | Junka: likely as "jelly" said, probably it is 'debian-exim4' |
| 17:26.26 | jelly | Walex: stop quoting me, I'm a real boy! |
| 17:26.44 | Junka | yes Walex and jelly one of the processes is exim4 |
| 17:27.13 | Junka | the other one is tor, why is it autostarted? |
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| 17:27.47 | Walex | Junka: the NSA are on your system, and they use Tor to securely connect back to their offices :-) |
| 17:28.20 | Walex | Junka: one of Debian's policies is that every daemon that is installed gets autostarted by default. |
| 17:28.32 | Junka | Walex: heh i see |
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| 17:28.47 | jelly | ... provided it has sane defaults to get started without further configuration |
| 17:29.18 | Walex | jelly: not sure about that :-) |
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| 17:30.00 | jelly | Walex: some service packages do not autostart their own |
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| 17:33.22 | wchance | Hello All |
| 17:33.38 | wchance | Looking for Debian 7.5 ISO where can I find it? |
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| 17:34.10 | c-c | google gives http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/7.5.0-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 17:34.19 | c-c | and many more |
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| 17:34.57 | wchance | Debian GNU/Linux 7.5.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20140426-13:37 |
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| 17:37.10 | wchance | thanks c-c |
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| 17:37.53 | Dr|Craig | How could I find out where a process is originating from? |
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| 17:38.22 | c-c | wchance: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/7.5.0-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 17:38.43 | c-c | Dr|Craig: I use htop |
| 17:39.01 | takeyourhatoff | I am trying to set up 2 x 4TB disks in raid1 with the disk-utility, but every time I create the array, I get a warning that the alignment of the disks is wrong, obviously these disks have a 4kB sector size, what can I do to set up a raid 1 array with these disks with the correct alignment? |
| 17:39.17 | Dr|Craig | using built in software can't go online |
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| 17:39.49 | RDash | adb, is your name Ion? And last name Moldov? |
| 17:40.12 | c-c | Dr|Craig: if you have top, run it and press V |
| 17:41.09 | fran | takeyourhatoff: I'd align those disks to 4MB at least |
| 17:41.21 | takeyourhatoff | fran: how can I do that? |
| 17:41.25 | takeyourhatoff | I have tried with parted |
| 17:41.43 | wchance | c-c thanks I will try with live dvd |
| 17:41.44 | fran | creating the partitions with fdisk, specifying sectors as units |
| 17:41.51 | wchance | cc-c but it might not like it |
| 17:41.56 | wchance | Ill give it a shot |
| 17:41.56 | fran | and doing manual math... sorry |
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| 17:42.05 | takeyourhatoff | but am confused, lots of the commands i am told to give it in random online tutorials are not documented in the man pages |
| 17:42.27 | takeyourhatoff | fran: apparetnly fdisk only works for mbr disks, and mbr cant do 4tb? |
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| 17:42.31 | takeyourhatoff | so i have to use parted |
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| 17:43.21 | fran | hmmm, and can't you use the traditional ibm partitioning scheme? |
| 17:43.35 | fran | (with mbr and such) |
| 17:43.36 | jelly | takeyourhatoff: or, if it's not the boot disk, you can be silly and use the whole disk as LVM PV. No partitions at all! |
| 17:43.45 | wchance | c-c does not like that live version. Debian GNU/Linux 7.5.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20140426-13:37 |
| 17:43.51 | fran | jelly: yes, that would be simpler |
| 17:44.11 | fran | takeyourhatoff: remember that lvm uses 4MB blocks genarally |
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| 17:44.38 | Neobenedict | hello takeyourhatoff |
| 17:44.40 | Dr|Craig | it doesn't show an origin for the process, I have a process running that uses 100% cpu and uploads when connected to the internet |
| 17:45.28 | takeyourhatoff | lol Neobenedict |
| 17:45.33 | takeyourhatoff | yeah, not a boot disk |
| 17:45.38 | jelly | Dr|Craig: "it" being...? |
| 17:45.39 | takeyourhatoff | so i can do the lvm thing |
| 17:45.41 | takeyourhatoff | with some help |
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| 17:46.01 | fran | takeyourhatoff: then use the whole disk as a physical volumen |
| 17:46.05 | Dr|Craig | top and using V |
| 17:46.30 | takeyourhatoff | fran: I get the partition alignment warning before I have even the chance to specify that I am using lvm though |
| 17:46.43 | jelly | Dr|Craig: what does "ps -ffp PIDHERE" say, what is its PPID? |
| 17:47.04 | jelly | Dr|Craig: or, add PPID column to top output |
| 17:47.14 | Dr|Craig | ppid is 3052 |
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| 17:47.32 | jelly | Dr|Craig: then look at what 3052 is. |
| 17:47.41 | fran | takeyourhatoff: just delete any partition, and then run pvcreate with them |
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| 17:48.45 | fran | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX count=2048 <- that will do it... |
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| 17:49.16 | takeyourhatoff | fran: before I have put them in raid1? |
| 17:50.22 | fran | ok, if you want to use a raid with them, then delete the partitions and create the array with mdadm like you would normally do |
| 17:50.26 | Dr|Craig | its a process with a random name that when killed another process loads different name/pid and does the same thing |
| 17:50.50 | jelly | Dr|Craig: random name? |
| 17:51.05 | Dr|Craig | yes |
| 17:51.51 | jelly | Dr|Craig: care to pastebin your "pstree -pa" output and point out the suspicious ones |
| 17:51.57 | dhtns | yesterday my laptop unexpectedly shut down in the middle of an upgrade, and now the file system is doing some weird things |
| 17:52.12 | fran | takeyourhatoff: after you have the raid, use /dev/md0 as the physical volume |
| 17:52.35 | dhtns | everything works fine, except some files that were written by dpkg are doing some things I've never seen before |
| 17:52.46 | dhtns | If i try to remove these files, i get this: |
| 17:52.48 | dhtns | http://paste.debian.net/154115/ |
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| 17:53.16 | dhtns | btrfs crashes with some errors that I don't understand :/ |
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| 17:54.01 | jelly | dhtns: far as I know, btrfs isn't ready for production, how come you chose that fs type? |
| 17:54.24 | dhtns | I was under the impression that it was pretty stable (even used in some servers) |
| 17:54.47 | dhtns | I supposed the error wasn't related to the filesystem |
| 17:54.48 | Dr|Craig | http://paste.debian.net/154116 |
| 17:54.51 | jelly | hopefully your impression will adapt to the reality, now |
| 17:54.57 | fran | dhtns: or maybe you have a few bits broken in your RAM (that's another explanation for fs corruption) |
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| 17:55.15 | Dr|Craig | its called hzqhzmcmla |
| 17:55.29 | jelly | dhtns: it's a fs error. Typically, with other fs, you'd boot into safe mode and run fsck |
| 17:55.56 | jelly | !btrfs |
| 17:55.57 | dpkg | Btrfs (B-tree file system) is a copy on write filesystem for Linux, aimed at implementing advanced features while focusing on fault tolerance, repair and easy administration. Merged in mainline at Linux 2.6.29, utilities are packaged in btrfs-tools. http://wiki.debian.org/Btrfs http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/ #btrfs on irc.freenode.net. See also <btrfs gotchas>. |
| 17:56.03 | dhtns | jelly: can i boot a live usb, mount my drive and run btrfsck? |
| 17:56.26 | jelly | dhtns: I guess people in #btrfs channel might have an idea how to SAFELY approach this |
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| 17:56.29 | fran | dhtns: run it without mounting it |
| 17:56.46 | jelly | dhtns: I have 0 experience with it, so don't listen to me |
| 17:57.05 | dhtns | fran, jelly: thanks, I'll ask in #btrfs |
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| 17:59.51 | takeyourhatoff | fran: There is still an alignment issue, because the virtual md device is not aligned to 4k on the physical disk |
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| 18:12.15 | takeyourhatoff | fran: So I created a whole disk raid array instead, using mdadm instead of disk-utitlity |
| 18:12.24 | takeyourhatoff | and now disk-utitlity gives no warnings |
| 18:12.38 | takeyourhatoff | but now i need to add a file system and ensure it is aligned |
| 18:13.12 | jdpf | takeyourhatoff: gdisk, AFAIK will do the alignment for you. |
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| 18:13.39 | jdpf | looks around for anyone with knowledge of dkms and inode64 |
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| 18:15.48 | valdyn | last i checked fdisk aligned too |
| 18:16.15 | takeyourhatoff | valdyn: fdisk cant do gpt though |
| 18:16.20 | jdpf | ALL of my attempts to build kernel modules using dpkg fail with errors like "/usr/src/acpi-call-1.1.0/acpi_call.o: Value too large for defined data type" |
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| 18:16.53 | valdyn | jdpf: thats an error in that source |
| 18:16.56 | jdpf | my google fu after several days turned up some inode64 issues with *something* in the build chain. |
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| 18:17.30 | jdpf | but I cannot find that *something* as it is not exposed, even with make --debug and strace -C |
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| 18:18.03 | jdpf | so, i'm scratching my head and asking for help before I compose an email to the list. |
| 18:18.35 | jdpf | *correction* not dpkg! I mean dkms. |
| 18:19.05 | jdpf | valdyn: well, one would think so, but ALL modules fail. |
| 18:19.20 | valdyn | jdpf: what else fails? |
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| 18:20.14 | valdyn | jdpf: which kernel are you trying to compile this for btw? |
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| 18:22.20 | jdpf | 3.16.0-4-amd64 and with virtualbox, acpi-call v4l2loopback |
| 18:22.32 | jdpf | also with fglrx |
| 18:23.03 | jdpf | i have tracked the problem down to the inode32 vs inode64 problem. at least, that's what looks most primising now. |
| 18:23.20 | valdyn | im pretty sure this works for (almost) everyone else |
| 18:23.33 | valdyn | fglrx is packaged and works in debian.... |
| 18:23.45 | jdpf | valdyn: yeah. that's why i'm hesitant to be sending a bug report |
| 18:23.56 | jdpf | valdyn: because it should work. however: |
| 18:24.01 | valdyn | jdpf: so what else is unusual about your system? |
| 18:24.27 | jdpf | valdyn: I'm using XFS with over 4TiB on luks on raid1. |
| 18:24.47 | jdpf | valdyn: so XFS is required to use inode64. |
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| 18:25.14 | jdpf | valdyn: when I stat the files throwing the error, it shows an inode number greater than the 32bit boundary. |
| 18:25.37 | jdpf | hence emitting the "Value too large for defined data type" |
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| 18:26.27 | valdyn | jdpf: i see, so youre having a filesystem issue here |
| 18:26.28 | takeyourhatoff | fran: I put ext4 directly on top of the device level raid, how can I check if that is aligned correctly? |
| 18:26.41 | valdyn | jdpf: unrelated to dkms probably |
| 18:26.46 | jdpf | valdyn: however, the script from here: http://blog.fmeh.org/2013/05/11/does-the-world-need-32-bit-inodes/ :: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gnb/junkcode/master/summarise_stat.pl shows just about 100% 64bit compliance on my /bin /sbin /usr/bin trees. |
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| 18:27.22 | jdpf | valdyn: well, perhaps unrelated to dkms kernel builds... see, i can compile kernels just fine. |
| 18:27.48 | jdpf | valdyn: so i'd imagine the build chain would trip if the XFS issue were present. |
| 18:27.53 | valdyn | jdpf: can you compile your modules without dkms? |
| 18:28.10 | jdpf | valdyn: i have tried make alone and that fails the same way. |
| 18:28.42 | valdyn | jdpf: so you can strace that and find the broken program |
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| 18:29.11 | jdpf | valdyn: i haven't been able to get the exact build line to work. i'm not even sure how to get that information. a simple gcc acpi-call.c fails for different reasons. |
| 18:29.25 | valdyn | jdpf: thats totally unrelated |
| 18:30.11 | jdpf | valdyn: ok. so, (making sure i understand) you don't think that dkms is involved. |
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| 18:30.23 | valdyn | jdpf: so do your "strace -ff make" and see which program fails |
| 18:30.48 | jdpf | valdyn: ok. i'll try that! i was trying strace -C to no avail. |
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| 18:32.10 | valdyn | jdpf: dkms is just a shell script, it cannot possibly be the program to blame |
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| 18:32.33 | jelly | Dr|Craig: you also have a couple dzswectmbu and nshvweotdh |
| 18:32.58 | jelly | Dr|Craig: what does lsof -np pidhere say about any/all of those |
| 18:32.59 | jdpf | valdyn: ok. i'm really fuzzy about how the dkms magic is working, given the split build tree in /var vs the pristine source in /usr/src/ thanks for helping! |
| 18:33.20 | valdyn | jdpf: ok, i think this is premature |
| 18:33.39 | valdyn | jdpf: do we really know this is an inode32 vs inode64 issue? I think we dont. |
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| 18:34.28 | jdpf | valdyn: well, i checked the inode number and it was over the 32bit limit, as would be expected with the error... |
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| 18:34.43 | jdpf | paws through the ouput of "strace -ff make" |
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| 18:40.27 | valdyn | http://serverfault.com/questions/313055/how-can-i-check-whether-64-bit-inodes-are-used-in-an-existing-xfs-filesystem |
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| 18:42.27 | Dr|Craig | jelly the ones by themselves return nothing |
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| 18:50.44 | c-c | Walex said this is nothing to be proud of -- an lightweight openbox-desktop installer for your headless Debian Jessie netinstall. I say, I'm proud, because it is 400% better than his openbox desktop installer for Debian Jessie! 8) https://github.com/csmr/jesbang/blob/master/jes.sh |
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| 18:52.42 | c-c | (post scriptum: if you plan on using that, see the md5 checksum instructions in the readme) |
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| 18:56.37 | jdpf | valdyn: assuming i can read this.. the last output file from "strace -o strace.log -ff make" when called from /usr/src/acpi-call-1.1.0 is "scripts/recordmcount" which fails with an ESPIPE (Illegal seek) when calling st_rdev=makedev... |
| 18:56.42 | jdpf | valdyn: https://gist.github.com/jdpf/14de54a066cd1938a911 |
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| 18:57.34 | skydog | is there a debian-based live cd that has a running samba home-folder share on boot? if not, is there a way to create one. I need something that will allow me to share homefolders, and still work on reboots if no person is around to reconfigure |
| 18:59.39 | jdpf | skydog: must it be a cdrom? or do you intend to use a USB stick really? |
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| 19:00.29 | skydog | here's the case, my HD is dead. I need to boot, and have it so people can add torrents to the daemon. these people have no knnowledge on how to send to completed torrents to the media centre via ssh/scp, so a samba share seemed like the first choice |
| 19:00.51 | skydog | id like to simply set up something headless that allows people to add torrents, stream them, and reboot if necesssary without knowing any syntax |
| 19:01.09 | skydog | is tired of being woken up to scp files |
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| 19:01.33 | valdyn | jdpf: thats also only a script |
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| 19:01.44 | skydog | i tried live usb and its slow as shit, im not buying a "better" usb key to make it work either. |
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| 19:02.28 | jdpf | skydog: well if you want to torrent, i imagine you'll need a hdd at the very least. copyright and distribution concerns notwithstanding. |
| 19:02.41 | valdyn | jdpf: that cant be the whole trace... where is the error where it fails? line 38? |
| 19:02.45 | skydog | i have tons of SD space and usb space to use |
| 19:03.07 | skydog | i plan on getting a new computer soon but i wanna milk this cow before i butcher her |
| 19:03.11 | skydog | lol |
| 19:03.44 | jdpf | valdyn: it isn't the whole strace. |
| 19:03.48 | skydog | i think 'turnkeylinux' might do this, the site looks pretty sketchy though, it reminds me of those 'download anything except its really spyware" search engines |
| 19:03.49 | jdpf | valdyn: it's only the last process. |
| 19:04.15 | valdyn | jdpf: i cant see which process is doing this |
| 19:04.31 | jdpf | valdyn: ok. i'm uploading the whole strace now... jas. |
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| 19:06.38 | valdyn | jdpf: you need to read the strace manpage some to add timing and process information to its output (and even then the best *I* cna possibly do is find the broken binary program) |
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| 19:07.21 | jdpf | valdyn: ok. thanks for the hints. it is more progress than I've made in a few days. |
| 19:07.29 | valdyn | jdpf: and use -v to get the whole output i think, cant see completely the options recordmymount is called with |
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| 19:08.08 | valdyn | jdpf: i think you can do this on a seperate filesystem which is smaller and has no such issues |
| 19:08.17 | valdyn | jdpf: (the compilations i mean) |
| 19:09.14 | jdpf | valdyn: yeah. that had occurred to me. i turned to #debian because i was so baffled. thanks for being so helpful. |
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| 19:10.55 | grondilu | Hello, usually when I connect a usb device I use dmesg which device I must mount with pmount. But here with my smartphone (Galaxy note) it does not say much about any file in /dev |
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| 19:11.35 | grondilu | it say six lines starting with 'new high-speed USB device number 8 using ehci-pci' |
| 19:11.37 | jdpf | grondilu: did you turn on developer access in the android device? it might not show USB otherwise. |
| 19:11.43 | grondilu | oh |
| 19:11.46 | grondilu | no, I didn't. |
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| 19:12.53 | polyphagia | grondilu: with an android you need to use MTP |
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| 19:13.10 | polyphagia | grondilu: https://wiki.debian.org/mtp |
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| 19:13.47 | grondilu | ok thanks |
| 19:14.01 | polyphagia | usually just doing jmtpfs <directory is enough, it'll find it by itself |
| 19:14.28 | polyphagia | i noticed it wasn't very fast though but maybe that's just how it is lol |
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| 19:14.43 | polyphagia | you can find SSH clients on fdroid too so you don't even need to mount it |
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| 19:36.34 | linuxuser | bruv |
| 19:36.52 | linuxuser | babilen, you don't like us chaps from the estates, eh |
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| 19:46.42 | jdpf | valdyn: wait! recordmcount is a 32-bit ELF, it isn't calling recordmcount.pl |
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| 19:47.14 | valdyn | jdpf: where is that file from? |
| 19:47.44 | jdpf | valdyn: /usr/src/linux-headers-3.16.0-4-common/scripts |
| 19:48.24 | jdpf | valdyn: there are several 32-bit binaries in there... doesn't mean that they'll trip up on the inodes issue, but it might be a further hint. |
| 19:49.07 | valdyn | jdpf: you can run it directly.. line 2 in your previous strace gives the whole command line |
| 19:49.26 | valdyn | jdpf: well, with elipsis, but strace can be made to print the whole thing |
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| 19:57.49 | valdyn | jdpf: nm, the call is like "cd linux; scripts/recordmcount /usr/src/acpi-call-1.1.0/acpi_call.o" |
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| 19:58.17 | valdyn | jdpf: now if that reproduces the error... |
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| 19:59.04 | jdpf | valdyn: attempting now... |
| 20:00.22 | hid3 | Hello. After upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, my MySQL server fails to start. This is what I'm getting: http://pastebin.com/qMzjWz8S Any ideas what's wrong? |
| 20:01.26 | hid3 | Any ideas how to launch it in a debug mode so it would print a message on what's bad? |
| 20:01.28 | jdpf | valdyn: success! we have a culprit. |
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| 20:02.04 | jdpf | valdyn: ./recordmcount /usr/src/acpi-call-1.1.0/acpi_call.o |
| 20:02.25 | jdpf | valdyn: /usr/src/acpi-call-1.1.0/acpi_call.o: Value too large for defined data type |
| 20:03.05 | jdpf | valdyn: that's got to be the issue. why are there 32bit ELF binaries in /usr/src/linux-headers-3.16.0-4-common/scripts |
| 20:03.24 | valdyn | http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/scripts/recordmcount.c |
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| 20:04.33 | valdyn | jdpf: you should copy the file /usr/src/acpi-call-1.1.0/acpi_call.o to a small filesystem |
| 20:04.48 | valdyn | jdpf: then you can call recordmcount on that copy |
| 20:04.51 | jdpf | valdyn: ok. i'll try that. |
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| 20:05.36 | valdyn | jdpf: because if that works, you can do a nice bugreport, if it does not, then i have nfc what's wrong on your system |
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| 20:06.27 | jdpf | valdyn: yeah. i hope i can make a nice bugreport. *crosses fingers* |
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| 20:07.02 | asd3 | Hey guys, why does installing pip install python 2.6, if python 2.7 is already installed? https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/python-pip |
| 20:07.14 | asd3 | really messed up deps, gotta hate debian |
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| 20:34.00 | jdpf | valdyn: the good news?: /usr/src/linux-headers-3.16.0-4-common/scripts/recordmcount acpi_call.o gives warning: __mcount_loc already exists: acpi_call.o |
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| 20:34.52 | jdpf | valdyn: the bad? after copying the whole /usr/src tree and setting the symbolic links up, it still won't compile with "Bus error" (and that's never good). |
| 20:36.46 | jdpf | valdyn: that's all on a 230GB xfs external fs. |
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| 20:40.17 | jdpf | valdyn: *correction, acpi_call.o exists (so compilation succeeded) but the build failed due to the activity of something else that fails with a Bus error. |
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| 20:44.36 | jdpf | valdyn: thanks for your help! |
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| 20:53.42 | Richard82 | hi |
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| 20:53.58 | TechChristoph | hi |
| 20:53.58 | Richard82 | could anyone please verify if I am doing my "dist-upgrade" right? |
| 20:54.00 | Richard82 | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=J0WwHB6D |
| 20:54.09 | Richard82 | 73 packages will be removed |
| 20:54.18 | Richard82 | and I don't know if this is really a good thing |
| 20:55.07 | Richard82 | icedtea, kdepim, some nvidia stuff, even xserver, etc... there are many packages to be deleted |
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| 20:55.13 | mtn | Richard82: going from stable to testing? |
| 20:55.32 | Richard82 | mtn, yes |
| 20:55.50 | Richard82 | mtn, I changes all the "wheezy" words to "jessie" in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:56.20 | Richard82 | if anyone can tell me how to get netflix work on wheezy, I would appreciate that more :-) |
| 20:56.38 | mtn | Richard82: double check what is being installed and upgraded versus what is being removed. it will take awhile ;) |
| 20:56.47 | jdpf | Richard82: yep. the rule of thumb there is to check the existing packages against what will be replacing them. (ok. obvious probably) :) sometimes dpkg -l is handy here. |
| 20:57.16 | Richard82 | actually I think it's a really, really bad idea to upgrade |
| 20:57.23 | jdpf | Richard82: not sure how to watch Netflix on wheezy. I do so on chrome (not chromium) with the appropriate user-agent extension. |
| 20:57.24 | Richard82 | I love having a rock solid system |
| 20:57.29 | Richard82 | I only want to watch netflix ^.^ |
| 20:57.43 | Richard82 | jdpf, on wheezy? |
| 20:57.58 | jdpf | Richard82: is chrome available on wheezy? (i'm on jessie). |
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| 20:58.15 | Richard82 | jdpf, I also use Chrome and changed the user agent to some kind of mozilla (according to a tutorial) but the libnss version is wrong on wheezy |
| 20:58.24 | Richard82 | the version I'd need only exists for jessie |
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| 20:58.34 | jdpf | Richard82: well, there you have the motive. :) |
| 20:58.38 | Richard82 | jdpf, yes, Chrome is available |
| 20:58.54 | Richard82 | will my wifi driver work on jessie?! |
| 20:58.56 | jdpf | Richard82: if you need libnss of certain version, then you'll have to do that. |
| 20:59.05 | Richard82 | I remember I had some kind of hard work to wrap the windows driver |
| 20:59.09 | jdpf | Richard82: depends on your wifi card of course. do some research. |
| 20:59.10 | Richard82 | ndiswrapper ? |
| 20:59.23 | Richard82 | I hit enter now - wish me the best |
| 20:59.34 | jdpf | Richard82: ndiswrapper... ugh. :P i'd do research first on that. |
| 20:59.59 | jdpf | Richard82: and have a backup handy! |
| 21:00.01 | Richard82 | honestly, ndiswrapper saved my wifi-life more than once... and it always worked out perfectly |
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| 21:00.16 | Richard82 | what? Is there an option to backup a whole system? |
| 21:00.35 | jdpf | Richard82: well, there are many ways to backup your whole system, yes. |
| 21:01.03 | Richard82 | stupid me... I should have taken a backup before hitting the enter-key |
| 21:01.09 | jdpf | Richard82: that is, unfortunately, a very personal decsion. ;) rsnapshot is nice. |
| 21:01.25 | jdpf | Richard82: you still can. just abort the install. you're likely not past the download stage yet, right? |
| 21:01.31 | Richard82 | heh, that'll be a long journey anyway - need to get 3 Gigabytes through a UMTS connection |
| 21:01.36 | jdpf | Richard82: Ctl-C |
| 21:01.49 | Richard82 | yes it's still downloading |
| 21:02.07 | Richard82 | what will happen when I cancel the process? |
| 21:02.19 | jdpf | Richard82: AFAIK it will just stop the downloads. |
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| 21:02.46 | Richard82 | well, whatever, if it goes wrong, I will simply reinstall the whole system |
| 21:02.47 | jdpf | Richard82: if no packages were being processed, no changes to system (aside from caches in /var) |
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| 21:03.20 | jdpf | Richard82: ok. have fun! (i love installing debian). I install debian on everything. ;) |
| 21:03.51 | Richard82 | since I am here, and since you are talking to me, I might take the chance to ask a very stupid question... |
| 21:04.03 | jdpf | Richard82: no questions are stupid. |
| 21:04.10 | Richard82 | I use debian since release "potato" (means: since quite a looong time) |
| 21:04.25 | Richard82 | after a couple of years, I tried out "kubuntu" (ubuntu + kde) |
| 21:04.35 | jdpf | Richard82: pleased to meet you. I have been using debian since before potato. |
| 21:04.44 | Richard82 | interesting :) |
| 21:04.56 | jdpf | Richard82: yes. i have done the same. kubuntu was nice when it was less ubuntuized. |
| 21:05.06 | Richard82 | well, my question would be: |
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| 21:05.29 | jdpf | Richard82: but, i've since decided that debian is a better choice for me. yay debian! |
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| 21:05.35 | Richard82 | kubuntu made totally crazy due to sooo many bugs, and new bugs in every new release - so I went back to debian. |
| 21:05.49 | phantomcircuit | how can i setup the /dev/bus/usb/* files with a new group? |
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| 21:05.51 | Richard82 | and I have the feeling, you can achieve *everything* with debian what you could achieve with Ubuntu |
| 21:06.00 | Richard82 | so why the hack is everybody talking about Ubuntu? |
| 21:06.19 | Richard82 | installing some fonts, some codecs, etc - it's just a few lines and debian can do the same as ubuntu |
| 21:06.36 | Richard82 | ^ that was my question |
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| 21:06.55 | phantomcircuit | for example on gentoo they're owned by the "usb" group |
| 21:06.59 | Richard82 | whenever I tell friends about debian, they don't even know it. "Linux" sounds too hard for them. But "Ubuntu" is cool for them. |
| 21:07.08 | phantomcircuit | oh wait i can probably copy a udev rule |
| 21:07.11 | phantomcircuit | goes looking |
| 21:07.49 | phantomcircuit | oh great it's systemd so there's a binary database |
| 21:07.50 | phantomcircuit | nice |
| 21:08.57 | jdpf | Richard82: exactly. ubuntu is derived from debian's hard work. and well, i've taken issue with the directon of ubuntu. but that's my personal reason. i'm happy if people are using FLOSS and becoming involved--- and that takes time. |
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| 21:09.47 | jenskapitza | does someone use jessy? |
| 21:10.00 | jdpf | yes. many someones use jessie. |
| 21:10.18 | elsimpsoms | me puede decir alguien que hable español me recomiende irc de linux en español |
| 21:10.32 | jenskapitza | and have recognize the that apt-get update does not work after 7 dayes not updating |
| 21:10.40 | Richard82 | elsimpsoms, #debian-es |
| 21:10.44 | jenskapitza | i've to reboot to get apt-get working again |
| 21:11.01 | jenskapitza | and i've no idea whats the reason |
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| 21:11.27 | jdpf | jenskapitza: can you connect to your mirror with a browser? wget? |
| 21:11.36 | Richard82 | jdpf, I need some time to reply, since I first have to read what "floss" is |
| 21:11.42 | jenskapitza | jdpf: yes, the mirror works |
| 21:11.42 | Richard82 | I am just here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_terms_for_free_software |
| 21:11.50 | elsimpsoms | gracias Richard82 |
| 21:11.52 | jdpf | jenskapitza: see /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:11.57 | jenskapitza | jdpf: it is terrible slow (after download) |
| 21:12.10 | jdpf | jenskapitza: are you using a SSD? |
| 21:12.15 | jenskapitza | jdpf: i think it is the parsing of the lists |
| 21:12.18 | Richard82 | elsimpsoms, ¡De nada! :) |
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| 21:12.46 | jenskapitza | jdpf: nope (i just don't want to reboot after 7 days to get it working again) |
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| 21:13.34 | jenskapitza | it is my mailsystem and everything works (beside apt-get update) |
| 21:13.59 | jdpf | jenskapitza: "update" not "upgrade"? |
| 21:14.04 | jenskapitza | jdpf: update |
| 21:14.29 | jdpf | jenskapitza: ok. that is odd. i only have update issues when unable to connect to the mirror. |
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| 21:15.09 | mtn | jenskapitza: what error do you get when you try to update? |
| 21:15.23 | jenskapitza | jdpf: i've no more idea where i can debug or find the problem memory is free and networ works |
| 21:15.45 | polyphagia | is there any tutorial for chrooting into an ARM sd card? |
| 21:15.53 | jenskapitza | mtn: none it is terible slow (i've to wait after the download) |
| 21:16.02 | polyphagia | like if i installed debian onto an SD card with a different arch from my own and i want to install some packages onto it |
| 21:16.08 | mtn | jenskapitza: so it does work, but is only slow? |
| 21:16.14 | valdyn | polyphagia: run a virtual machine |
| 21:16.17 | polyphagia | i've heard something about qemu-arm |
| 21:16.19 | polyphagia | ok |
| 21:16.25 | polyphagia | so if i run the VM i can just chroot as normal? |
| 21:16.28 | valdyn | polyphagia: that is what qemu-arm is |
| 21:16.38 | valdyn | polyphagia: no, chroot is something else |
| 21:16.38 | jenskapitza | mtn: i would say livelock or deadlock but there is nothing visible in top (for livelock an lsof seams ok) |
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| 21:16.52 | polyphagia | valdyn: can i chroot from the vm into the sd card? |
| 21:17.00 | mtn | jenskapitza: it does actually complete the update, no errors? is that correct? |
| 21:17.03 | jenskapitza | mtn: yes it works (after reboot it is fast) (1min reboot) |
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| 21:17.12 | jenskapitza | mtn: yes |
| 21:17.14 | valdyn | polyphagia: yes, of course |
| 21:17.14 | mtn | jenskapitza: sigh. no, before reboot |
| 21:17.19 | polyphagia | ok perfect then |
| 21:17.45 | jenskapitza | mtn: ? |
| 21:18.14 | mtn | jenskapitza: the problem you are referring to happens before a reboot, correct? at that time, does the update finish, yes or no? |
| 21:18.27 | jenskapitza | mtn: yes |
| 21:18.51 | jenskapitza | mtn: reading the package list |
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| 21:19.06 | mtn | jenskapitza: I thought you said " apt-get update does not work "? |
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| 21:19.57 | jenskapitza | mtn: apt-get update (works if terrible slow - is ok) ther reading package list is terrible slow |
| 21:20.22 | mtn | jenskapitza: that would be some sort of network or networking problem, then |
| 21:20.37 | jenskapitza | just for apt? |
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| 21:20.56 | mtn | jenskapitza: what else could it be? since it does finish without any errors? |
| 21:21.23 | syco_ | change mirror |
| 21:21.28 | jenskapitza | mtn: that was the question - how can i debug a terrible slow apt-get |
| 21:21.47 | mtn | jenskapitza: it is not apt-get, but the mirror, network, etc. |
| 21:22.05 | mtn | jenskapitza: changin mirrors is a good idea |
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| 21:22.19 | jenskapitza | mtn: if i reboot the same mirror works fast? |
| 21:22.27 | mtn | jenskapitza: shrug |
| 21:22.36 | syco_ | no need to reboot |
| 21:22.59 | polyphagia | jenskapitza: you can use netselect-apt to find the fastest mirror |
| 21:23.07 | Richard82 | jdpf, thank you very much for your help so far. I am leaving for now. |
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| 21:23.27 | Richard82 | have a great day / evening / whatever time zone you are living in :) |
| 21:23.27 | jenskapitza | hm ok, polyphagia i'll check it |
| 21:24.56 | jenskapitza | polyphagia: ok mirror changed |
| 21:25.09 | jenskapitza | i'll see if it solves my problem thx |
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| 22:19.13 | brontosaurusrex | how is this http://paste.debian.net/plain/154265 for jessie sources list? |
| 22:19.31 | brontosaurusrex | Do i want backports at all at this point? |
| 22:19.34 | brontosaurusrex | and so on |
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| 22:22.02 | mtn | brontosaurusrex: the updates and backports won't be active at this time |
| 22:22.27 | brontosaurusrex | mtn: other than that that would be ok? |
| 22:22.45 | mtn | brontosaurusrex: looks ok to me ;) |
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| 22:30.45 | nea1 | hi, when about will qemu-kvm 2.1.2 be updated to 2.1.3 in debian-backports? - because we have hanging VMs which propably is the result of to bugs which have been fixed in 2.1.3 || 2.2 |
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| 23:20.52 | aphorise | Is there an nload alternative or some way I can monitor traffic on 127.0.1.1 as opposed to "lo" interface? |
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| 23:21.18 | aphorise | Just interested in seeing traffic for db seprate from standard localhost loopback |
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| 23:23.05 | alimj | Hello. I am looking for a tool to find files (by their size) on a specific file system (such as du -x or ncdu -x) but owned only by some specific user. |
| 23:23.12 | alimj | Does such a tool exist? |
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| 23:25.21 | dvs | alimj: the find command can select files by user and of a specified size, but it cannot distinguish between file system.s |
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| 23:25.54 | alimj | dvs: That is exactly the case. It is unfortunate. |
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| 23:27.19 | alimj | I am too lazy to look into ncdu and du source to modify it according to this specific need. They should made it possible to filter by user or group |
| 23:28.17 | dondelelcaro | alimj: find can work on a single filesystem to do that |
| 23:28.35 | themill | find has a -xdev option |
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| 23:30.01 | alimj | Oh. That is a life saver (-xdev). Although I will not be able to use find like du or ncdu. It is still very useful. Thanks |
| 23:30.09 | dondelelcaro | ^5 themill |
| 23:30.22 | dondelelcaro | alimj: you can then pipe the find output into du |
| 23:30.31 | dvs | ctrl-5? ;-P |
| 23:30.35 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever you wanted to do) |
| 23:31.32 | themill | itym âµ ) |
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| 23:35.22 | alimj | Ok. Thanks and bye o/ |
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| 23:42.57 | aphorise | Can I add a second loop back to my machine? trying to get a seprate device listing for nload monitoring app use |
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| 23:52.31 | frostschutz | aphorise, brctl add lo2? |
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| 23:53.58 | AndrewG | How do I find out what package rpc.rstatd (kernel statistics server) is in? (Not even sure if it's call that on Debian - that's the name on Solaris.) |
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| 23:55.26 | themill | ,i rstatd |
| 23:55.28 | judd | Package rstatd (net, optional) in wheezy/i386: displays uptime information for remote machines. Version: 4.0.1-8; Size: 17.2k; Installed: 68k; Homepage: http://rstatd.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:55.57 | themill | AndrewG: apt-file is your friend |
| 23:57.10 | AndrewG | Thanks! It's working now. |
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| 23:57.49 | AndrewG | (Slaps forehead - was sure I already tried that, but seemingly not.) |
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