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| 00:03.02 | mysupper | hello |
| 00:03.26 | tikifreek | shay_shay: thanks, i figured it out |
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| 00:05.27 | nebbia_ | hi everyone, is there any dyndns free software slternative? |
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| 00:09.09 | mysupper | http://www.noip.com/remote-access |
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| 00:15.39 | tommyF | holms: isn't is just service ufw start? |
| 00:18.17 | shay_shay | http://paste.debian.net/143468/ |
| 00:18.30 | shay_shay | this is weird, this is on jessie |
| 00:18.44 | shay_shay | i was doing a dpkg-reconfigure on all packages |
| 00:18.50 | holms | tommyF: |
| 00:18.53 | shay_shay | this is shortly after a cebootstrap |
| 00:18.55 | holms | i've already showed 2 times that |
| 00:18.58 | holms | service ufw start fails |
| 00:19.07 | holms | there's no ufw.service exists anywhere on file system |
| 00:19.18 | shay_shay | ufw isnt that ubuntu? |
| 00:19.26 | holms | no, it's debian too |
| 00:19.39 | shay_shay | ah |
| 00:19.42 | shay_shay | indeed it is |
| 00:19.55 | holms | there's ufw.service in 0.34 |
| 00:19.59 | holms | but it's only for ubuntu dist |
| 00:20.01 | holms | =/ |
| 00:20.07 | holms | in jessie 0.33 is the latest |
| 00:20.33 | shay_shay | cant you just put it in there? |
| 00:20.47 | holms | no deb exists :) |
| 00:20.54 | holms | compiling unless 0.34 is rc |
| 00:21.01 | shay_shay | i mean manually place the file there |
| 00:21.16 | holms | i can, but with automation it's a bit |
| 00:21.19 | holms | looks like hack |
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| 00:21.55 | shay_shay | well its just a text file. if it doesnt work then you can just put it back how it was and then try something else |
| 00:22.50 | holms | probably will go back to stable build |
| 00:23.07 | holms | and migrate from system.d script somewhere else |
| 00:23.33 | tommyF | oh ufw is some iptables thing - i thought it was those japanese fonts |
| 00:24.05 | tommyF | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW |
| 00:24.35 | holms | i use it for storing iptables configuration |
| 00:24.53 | holms | that's actually the only way to store iptables config, after reboot in ubuntu |
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| 00:25.01 | holms | same was working for wheezy |
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| 00:26.39 | shay_shay | its just an abstraction for iptables which makes it less easy to make improper setup |
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| 00:27.50 | holms | i'm not using it for abstractions |
| 00:27.56 | holms | i've got plain iptables rules |
| 00:28.20 | tommyF | use the real programs iptables-save/restore |
| 00:28.42 | holms | iptables-persistent |
| 00:28.45 | holms | seems to be using ufw |
| 00:28.45 | tommyF | or put them into a script and call it |
| 00:29.03 | tommyF | before you bring any network interfaces up |
| 00:29.10 | holms | on vm? :D |
| 00:29.29 | tommyF | you have to bring interfaces up even on a vm |
| 00:29.35 | holms | i don't |
| 00:29.39 | holms | done on boot |
| 00:29.47 | tommyF | use double nat ;) |
| 00:29.51 | holms | iptables-persistence |
| 00:29.54 | holms | handles everything rest |
| 00:30.24 | holms | but sadly.. |
| 00:30.26 | holms | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=665720 |
| 00:30.30 | holms | we can't use it on jessie yet =( |
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| 00:32.08 | mtn | holms: does't that bug show a fix you can use with systemd? it looks like it in the comments |
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| 00:33.04 | holms | mtn: imagine me automating all this hacks with ansible |
| 00:33.10 | holms | usually you don't wanna do this |
| 00:33.21 | holms | seems to be systemd is still miles away from at least beta |
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| 00:33.30 | holms | in jessie i mean |
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| 00:33.52 | holms | whatever, getting back to wheezy |
| 00:33.55 | holms | thanks |
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| 00:55.30 | polyphagia | how are packages distributed to each official debian mirror? |
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| 00:59.31 | tommyF | sneaker.net? |
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| 01:10.50 | s3virge | hii all |
| 01:11.03 | s3virge | I have a provlem with my display. |
| 01:11.19 | s3virge | I can't get more than 800X600 |
| 01:11.32 | s3virge | i need 1024X768 |
| 01:11.37 | s3virge | what to do? |
| 01:11.47 | s3virge | I'm using debian 8 with mate. |
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| 01:13.11 | s3virge | someone can help me?? please.. |
| 01:14.43 | musca | s3virge: really a s3 virge graphics card? |
| 01:14.51 | s3virge | yes. |
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| 01:15.31 | s3virge | musca: there something that i can do? |
| 01:15.50 | musca | oh, from 1995 |
| 01:16.10 | s3virge | yes |
| 01:16.16 | musca | 20th anniversary |
| 01:16.32 | s3virge | it's a regular PCI |
| 01:18.43 | musca | Worlds first âGraphics Deceleratorâ |
| 01:19.45 | musca | software rendering was faster than using this 3D "Accelerator" |
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| 01:20.32 | BenLue | hello together |
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| 01:21.32 | BenLue | Its possible to install Debian 7.8 as dualboot with win8 without EFI? |
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| 01:21.47 | BenLue | My Win8 isnt using EFI atm |
| 01:23.25 | Hunterkll | BenLue, than you fail! :3 |
| 01:23.33 | Hunterkll | EFI all the things. ZERO CFMs! |
| 01:24.53 | BenLue | hmmm Windows istnt creating an EFI partition! |
| 01:25.16 | BenLue | after the Installation |
| 01:27.25 | Hunterkll | first off, that should already exist and/or be mandated on GPT systems |
| 01:27.32 | Hunterkll | second, you have to boot windows install CD in EFI mode to get EFI instlalation |
| 01:27.42 | Hunterkll | turn off CFM, and then boot winodws media, to ensure you are in EFI boot |
| 01:27.49 | Hunterkll | then, convert all linux and solaris installs to EFI |
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| 01:31.36 | shay_shay | i dont think you can install windows 8 without efi |
| 01:31.38 | shay_shay | can you? |
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| 01:32.12 | shay_shay | oh i guess you can |
| 01:32.32 | shay_shay | coreboot ftw Hunterkll |
| 01:32.32 | BenLue | shay_shay; secure boot is disabled |
| 01:32.40 | tommyF | according to ms last quarter results Hunterkll you and 3 other people have bought windows 8 |
| 01:32.56 | Hunterkll | tommyF, MS gave me win8 (and a ton of everything else) for free |
| 01:33.07 | Hunterkll | it sits nicely alongside solairs next to my VMS desktop |
| 01:33.26 | Hunterkll | shay_shay, you can install 10 in bios mode. Win7 was the last that could do EFI but required a CFM. 8 removes the CFM requirement |
| 01:33.36 | Hunterkll | 7's kernel relied on a single bios call for video context switching |
| 01:33.39 | Hunterkll | int 17h, iirc |
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| 01:33.58 | tommyF | are you a ms vip? |
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| 01:34.38 | shay_shay | cfm cubic feet a minute? |
| 01:35.10 | shay_shay | oh uefi to legacy boot |
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| 01:35.19 | Hunterkll | CFM == compatability firmware module |
| 01:35.21 | Hunterkll | aka bios emulator |
| 01:35.28 | Hunterkll | tommyF, nope. and have no clue why they sent me a bottle of wine for christmas either |
| 01:35.31 | Hunterkll | i'm just good at getting free stuff |
| 01:36.04 | shay_shay | Hunterkll:I use a CFM for my windows 7 install only because its not genuine :P |
| 01:36.15 | Hunterkll | no |
| 01:36.19 | Hunterkll | you /have/ to use a CFM for windows 7 |
| 01:36.23 | Hunterkll | you don't have to *boot* from the CFM |
| 01:36.28 | shay_shay | no you can boot it |
| 01:36.30 | shay_shay | EFI |
| 01:36.32 | Hunterkll | but the CFM *must* be loaded for windows 7 to function due to int17h requirements |
| 01:36.35 | Hunterkll | Yes! |
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| 01:36.39 | Hunterkll | You could since vista, and x64 XP |
| 01:36.47 | Hunterkll | but you still had to have the CFM to service kernel bios calls |
| 01:36.47 | shay_shay | lies |
| 01:36.54 | tommyF | Hunterkll: mad duck? or ripple? ;) |
| 01:37.01 | Hunterkll | it's why windows 7 can't run on the surface pro |
| 01:37.06 | Hunterkll | it's a class 3 uefi device |
| 01:37.09 | Hunterkll | which means no CFM |
| 01:37.12 | Hunterkll | nothing to service that bios call |
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| 01:38.02 | Hunterkll | shay_shay, you were just using hte bios loaded shim bootloader that injected SLIC tables into the ACPI tables |
| 01:38.03 | Hunterkll | :P |
| 01:38.14 | Hunterkll | no one ever wrote that up for EFI |
| 01:38.20 | Hunterkll | instead they use KMS emulators now :P |
| 01:38.37 | shay_shay | hmm |
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| 01:39.19 | Hunterkll | if you did an EFI install of win7 without a CFM, it would fail |
| 01:40.25 | Hunterkll | ah |
| 01:40.26 | Hunterkll | it's INT 10H |
| 01:40.27 | Hunterkll | not 17H |
| 01:40.36 | Hunterkll | shay_shay, http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2828074 |
| 01:40.59 | Hunterkll | "Note: If your computer does not support above mentioned options then you cannot run Windows 7 on the computer." |
| 01:41.25 | Hunterkll | same thing with any kernel compiled that's reliant on BIOS features in linux as well |
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| 01:42.19 | Dewi | that's pretty cool, did not realize win7 still had that ancient dep |
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| 01:46.47 | Dewi | I'm surprised they would bother supporting EFI if they were going to leave that in |
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| 01:47.46 | KSid | Is there anyone here that may be able to help me with duplicity or point me to the right channel? |
| 01:48.17 | Hunterkll | Dewi, well, they did it in stages |
| 01:48.25 | Hunterkll | Win7 had /one/ deeply tied bios call left |
| 01:48.37 | Hunterkll | imagine how much they had to restructure and remove to support both bios and EFI simultaneously like they do now |
| 01:48.46 | Hunterkll | linux code in this regard is nasty enough ... |
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| 01:49.43 | s3virge | someone can help me? |
| 01:50.28 | Hunterkll | if you asked a question maybe |
| 01:50.39 | AR45 | I can find any info on the debian website for installing the sound drivers for 01:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Caicos HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 6400 Series |
| 01:50.47 | AR45 | Some assistance from the debian gods. |
| 01:52.01 | Hunterkll | AR45, are you trying to play audio over the HDMI connection? |
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| 01:52.33 | AR45 | Hunterkll: No the speakers are plugged into the audio port I believe |
| 01:52.47 | Hunterkll | AR45, then you don't need that one |
| 01:53.02 | Hunterkll | that's for playing audio through your video card over the HDMI cable to your display (if you're using HDMI to something like a monitor or TV) |
| 01:53.43 | AR45 | Ah I see. |
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| 01:54.11 | AR45 | However I'm unable to hear any audio from youtube videos |
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| 01:54.30 | s3virge | Hunterkll: I've allrady ask it. |
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| 01:54.55 | Hunterkll | s3virge, obviously, you asked it before i connected, so therefore, i didn't see it. |
| 01:55.27 | s3virge | I have S3 graphic card, but i get only 800X600 max. |
| 01:55.41 | AR45 | Hunterkll: http://paste.debian.net/143472/ |
| 01:55.41 | s3virge | how i can get 1024X768? |
| 01:56.01 | s3virge | I'm using debian 8 with mate. |
| 01:56.16 | Hunterkll | ... debian 8 exists? |
| 01:56.20 | shay_shay | yes |
| 01:56.22 | Hunterkll | and you're using an S3 |
| 01:56.28 | Hunterkll | dear god |
| 01:56.28 | s3virge | yes. |
| 01:56.32 | AR45 | I'm guessing the drivers for Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller are propeitary hence no audio |
| 01:56.32 | Hunterkll | please tell me it's a pentium 1 |
| 01:56.37 | s3virge | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/xserver-xorg-video-savage |
| 01:56.46 | Hunterkll | i know the support still exists |
| 01:56.46 | s3virge | this is the driver for S3 |
| 01:56.53 | Hunterkll | i'm just shocked to see someone trying something like this that new |
| 01:56.54 | s3virge | and it's alrady instaled. |
| 01:57.01 | Hunterkll | i put slackware 8 on my pentium laptop ;) |
| 01:57.14 | shay_shay | slackware D: |
| 01:57.16 | Hunterkll | AR45, not sure on that part |
| 01:57.21 | Hunterkll | shay_shay, what, afraid of a real OS? |
| 01:57.30 | shay_shay | I use slackware at work Hunterkll |
| 01:57.34 | Hunterkll | it got its name from my church :3 |
| 01:57.42 | shay_shay | all our rack servers are using slackware |
| 01:57.46 | Hunterkll | o.O |
| 01:57.49 | shay_shay | that doesnt mean I have to like it |
| 01:57.52 | Hunterkll | nooo. you defeat the purpose! |
| 01:57.58 | Hunterkll | slack is the avoidance of all work and the persuit of sex |
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| 01:58.01 | Hunterkll | not the enablement of work! |
| 01:58.06 | Hunterkll | that's a core tenant of our church! |
| 01:58.14 | shay_shay | you mean the avoidance of all sex |
| 01:58.18 | Hunterkll | patrick and ivan frown upon you |
| 01:58.24 | s3virge | there is no way to get 1024X768? |
| 01:58.26 | Hunterkll | shay_shay, well, that's not what happened to me at x-day |
| 01:58.40 | Hunterkll | s3virge, i'd have to poke at the hardware myself, but it s ounds like it might be a vram size issue |
| 01:58.48 | Hunterkll | that's one theory, anyway |
| 01:59.29 | shay_shay | Hunterkll:all the sysadmins at my work use debian and wish our systems were debian. but the boss is an old timer who likes to do everything the hard way |
| 01:59.46 | shay_shay | its fine with me, i get paid by the hour lol |
| 01:59.52 | s3virge | how i can be sure that the debian recognize my graphic card? |
| 01:59.53 | Hunterkll | 'hard way' |
| 02:00.17 | Hunterkll | s3virge, 'the debian'? anyway - it's not a distro specific thing at this point. i'd research your specific card and xfree86 configs |
| 02:00.20 | shay_shay | yeah, slackware is stoopid |
| 02:00.22 | Hunterkll | and see if you can't bring 'em forward to xorg |
| 02:00.40 | Hunterkll | shay_shay, maybe if you're an incompetent unix administrator who needs to use something as dumbed down as linux, sure |
| 02:00.47 | Hunterkll | ducks |
| 02:01.13 | shay_shay | Hunterkll: I dont have any problem using it, I just see us reinventing the wheel a lot |
| 02:01.23 | s3virge | Hunterkll: this is the putput from lspci |
| 02:01.24 | s3virge | 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Graphics Ltd. 86c375 [ViRGE/DX] or 86c385 [ViRGE/GX] (rev 01) |
| 02:01.25 | shay_shay | no pun intended |
| 02:01.25 | Hunterkll | I am totally not a z/OS/VMS/Solaris/HP-UX/IRIX/AIX person. not at all. |
| 02:01.26 | Hunterkll | runs away |
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| 02:02.03 | Hunterkll | s3virge, http://www.linuxmisc.com/4-linux/f8becc4ec2974314.htm |
| 02:02.12 | Hunterkll | a thread from 2001 troubleshooting configs for that card it looks like |
| 02:02.19 | shay_shay | Hunterkll:actually slackware was my first linux distro, ever |
| 02:02.34 | Hunterkll | it was for most people who were using linux when i was 2 :P |
| 02:03.06 | Hunterkll | s3virge, translating the archaic speak - it looks like you may want to use the VGA/VESA driver instead of the S3 driver |
| 02:03.09 | Hunterkll | to get 1024 |
| 02:03.20 | shay_shay | yeah I started using linux when I was 14, not when I was 2... back then it was the bees knees |
| 02:03.25 | Hunterkll | no no |
| 02:03.28 | Hunterkll | when *i* was 2 |
| 02:03.34 | Hunterkll | i started using linux when i was 11 |
| 02:03.37 | s3virge | Hunterkll: how i do it? |
| 02:03.38 | shay_shay | i understood you |
| 02:03.39 | Hunterkll | around the time of the support thread i just linked |
| 02:03.45 | Hunterkll | i'm 25 |
| 02:03.45 | shay_shay | wait |
| 02:03.47 | Hunterkll | wait, no, 26 now |
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| 02:03.51 | shay_shay | whats 2 stand for then |
| 02:03.55 | Hunterkll | years old |
| 02:04.03 | shay_shay | oh |
| 02:04.07 | Hunterkll | I cut my teeth on SuSE 5.x or 6.x |
| 02:04.10 | Hunterkll | i forget which at this point |
| 02:04.12 | shay_shay | i got it, other people when you were 2 |
| 02:04.12 | Hunterkll | bought it at best buy |
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| 02:04.16 | Hunterkll | right |
| 02:04.35 | Hunterkll | s3virge, 105 C000:5655 A000 RW 64K 64K F4000000 1024x768x8 |
| 02:04.35 | Hunterkll | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.35 | Hunterkll | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.37 | shay_shay | when you were 2 i was 6 |
| 02:04.37 | Hunterkll | there's your mode lines |
| 02:04.40 | shay_shay | :D |
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| 02:05.41 | s3virge | Hunterkll: where i need to put it? |
| 02:05.53 | Hunterkll | I ... don't know xorg that well |
| 02:06.00 | Hunterkll | come back to me 8 years ago |
| 02:06.15 | Hunterkll | i just found raw card data that used to help me |
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| 02:06.34 | s3virge | I've use this card with windows 2000 with no problems. |
| 02:06.42 | Hunterkll | ... so? |
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| 02:07.12 | s3virge | i has 4MB of memory! |
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| 02:07.35 | Hunterkll | .... k |
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| 02:20.09 | est31 | hello, I have a bug with libopenal that only needs a 4 line fix which is already done in an already released version in upstream. can you apply it or update the libopenal1 package? |
| 02:24.18 | phix | est31: File a bug report? |
| 02:24.38 | est31 | done that |
| 02:24.55 | phix | *shrugs* most of the people here are not directly involved in debian |
| 02:25.11 | est31 | in which channel are such ppl? |
| 02:25.26 | phix | The mailing list |
| 02:25.36 | phix | or if you manage to get their phone number :) |
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| 02:26.52 | est31 | lol |
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| 02:27.20 | phix | Either way most are from US or EU. It's about 03:00 or 04:00 AM in europe and 18:30 - 21:30 in the US. |
| 02:27.41 | phix | so they are either sleeping or eating dinner :) |
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| 03:04.11 | KYD | does anyone know the name of the pkg for google chat? |
| 03:04.23 | KYD | for Atix linux |
| 03:04.36 | KYD | or if there is one |
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| 03:13.38 | James_Epp | I'm trying to use preseeding but it's not taking my preseed. Is anyone present knowledgeable? |
| 03:14.00 | dontknow | hi! how can i remove libreoffice from debian jessie default installation? |
| 03:15.18 | polyphagia | # apt-get purge libreoffice* |
| 03:15.54 | dontknow | apt-get purge libreoffice-base tells me "gnome* libreoffice* libreoffice-base* libreoffice-evolution* libreoffice-report-builder-bin*" but "gnome*" section confuses me |
| 03:16.09 | polyphagia | dontknow: gnome is just a meta package |
| 03:16.09 | dvs | dontknow: don't install gnome? |
| 03:16.38 | polyphagia | it contains all the default 'goodies' |
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| 03:16.52 | polyphagia | so it's not actually removing gnome |
| 03:17.12 | polyphagia | eb0t: ffmpeg works pretty well |
| 03:17.15 | dontknow | dvs, i installed the default desktop using jeesie rc1 installer |
| 03:17.21 | polyphagia | $ ffmpeg -f x11grab -s <resolution> out.webm |
| 03:17.32 | dvs | dontknow: and that is gnome which installs libreoffice |
| 03:17.37 | polyphagia | you might need to do uh |
| 03:17.43 | polyphagia | $ ffmpeg -f x11grab -i :0 -s <resolution> out.webm |
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| 03:18.53 | James_Epp | I'm trying to use preseeding but it's not taking my preseed. Is anyone present knowledgeable? |
| 03:18.55 | dontknow | polyphagia, ok thanks |
| 03:19.22 | dontknow | polyphagia, so what happens when it removes gnome*? |
| 03:19.29 | polyphagia | nothing |
| 03:19.42 | dontknow | lol ok! |
| 03:19.47 | polyphagia | you just no longer have all the default gnome goodies |
| 03:19.52 | dvs | polyphagia: No, he removes a package1 ;-0 |
| 03:19.54 | polyphagia | so you technically don't have 'gnome' anymore |
| 03:19.57 | polyphagia | lol yeah ig |
| 03:20.24 | polyphagia | dontknow: if you want next time just install gnome-core |
| 03:20.42 | polyphagia | it'll still come with a few of the useful apps |
| 03:20.55 | dontknow | removing it affects the future update process? |
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| 03:21.24 | dontknow | polyphagia, i just installed it for seing what it looks like the default desktop |
| 03:21.56 | polyphagia | oh ok |
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| 03:23.57 | dontknow | polyphagia, i purged it with "apt-get purge libreoffice*" after that apt tells me there is no need gnome packages anymore, shows me all the gnome software package list |
| 03:24.04 | dontknow | so what happens now? |
| 03:25.27 | dontknow | polyphagia, dvs ? |
| 03:26.05 | dontknow | thank you for mees up my system! |
| 03:26.22 | polyphagia | it's not messed up, you can mark the gnome packages already installed as manually installed if you don't want to see that |
| 03:26.55 | dontknow | polyphagia, but apt-get autoremove is going to remove all those packages right? |
| 03:27.08 | dontknow | so what should i do now? |
| 03:27.16 | polyphagia | 1 sec i'll give u the page |
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| 03:28.06 | polyphagia | http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article8/uninstall-meta-package |
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| 03:33.15 | SirToby | Hi, would it be in order to post queries on pico/nano here? |
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| 03:33.36 | dontknow | polyphagia, the solution section has commented area, where is that configuration and what should i do i didn't get it! and i used apt-get to purge it but the article uses aptitude and mentioning removing package after these setting. i am confused really |
| 03:34.11 | polyphagia | just run the first dontknow |
| 03:34.13 | polyphagia | aptitude unmarkauto '?reverse-depends(gnome) | ?reverse-recommends(gnome)' |
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| 03:36.20 | dontknow | polyphagia, it gives me a long list says "these packages is going to be removed alacarte{u} argyll{u} argyll-ref{u}.... etc.." should i say yes here? |
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| 03:37.28 | polyphagia | hm one sec |
| 03:37.31 | polyphagia | i'll confirm before you do it |
| 03:38.17 | dontknow | it lists gnome packages with {u} besides them |
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| 03:40.25 | polyphagia | unmarkauto shouldn't be removing anything i'm not sure why it wants to |
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| 03:43.56 | dontknow | polyphagia, ok i do apt-get install gnome again i think thisi s going to solve the problem |
| 03:44.00 | dontknow | it sucks |
| 03:44.19 | polyphagia | well all we need to do is just run |
| 03:44.22 | dvs | dontknow: no, gnome-core |
| 03:44.30 | polyphagia | apt-get install on all the dependencies that you already have that you want to keep |
| 03:44.35 | polyphagia | or apt-mark |
| 03:44.54 | polyphagia | so we just need to print out either the gnome dependencies and remove libreoffice so we can iterate and run that |
| 03:45.05 | polyphagia | or print out what autoremove wants to remove so we can iterate through that |
| 03:45.49 | dontknow | dvs, you suggest me i should install gnome-core after "apt-get purge libreoffice*? |
| 03:45.59 | dvs | dontknow: before |
| 03:46.08 | dvs | then remove gnome |
| 03:46.37 | dontknow | dvs, but does it remove other default gnome applications? |
| 03:46.49 | dontknow | like evince eog etcc? |
| 03:47.08 | dvs | dontknow: if then are not part of gnome-core, yes |
| 03:47.47 | dontknow | dvs, it tells me gnome-core is already is the newest anyway |
| 03:48.19 | dvs | dontknow: then apt-get unmarkauto gnome-core |
| 03:49.31 | polyphagia | any quick way to list everything autoremove wants to remove? |
| 03:49.36 | dontknow | dvs, ok. i will prefer to sit with libreoffice after this disaster |
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| 03:50.17 | dontknow | polyphagia, apt-get autoremove lol |
| 03:50.25 | cafuego | polyphagia: apt-get -s autoremove |
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| 03:50.36 | dvs | disaster? if you're ust installing and uninstalling packages then I wouldn't call it a disaster. |
| 03:50.45 | polyphagia | kk dontknow if you give me a sec |
| 03:50.48 | polyphagia | i'll write you an awk script |
| 03:51.03 | dontknow | polyphagia, don't bother really |
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| 03:51.36 | polyphagia | k lol |
| 03:52.01 | dontknow | but thanks for trying to help :p |
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| 03:54.10 | dontknow | gnome sucks anyway |
| 03:54.27 | dontknow | i was doing minimal xfce installation |
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| 03:55.03 | dontknow | but decided to see default desktop environment |
| 03:55.41 | dvs | dontknow: it's not too late to do an xfce environment |
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| 03:56.34 | dontknow | debian's animation performance better than arch gnome and feels more responsive somehow |
| 03:57.29 | dontknow | dvs, yeah i figured out. all i need to do apt-get purge libreoffice* and apt-get autoremove lol |
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| 03:58.22 | dvs | ??? I had to be more than that. Like the commands polyphagia mentioned before |
| 03:58.32 | dvs | s/I/It/ |
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| 03:58.42 | polyphagia | huh |
| 03:59.02 | shay_shay | dontknow, heard of --no-install-recommends :D |
| 03:59.41 | dontknow | shay_shay, yes. but as i said i installed default through tasksel |
| 04:00.08 | dontknow | or whatever you call it |
| 04:00.58 | dontknow | i mean i choose GNOME in installer |
| 04:01.04 | shay_shay | yeah |
| 04:01.25 | polyphagia | apt-get -s autoremove | awk -F' ' '$1 ~ /^Remv/ { print $2 }' | xargs apt-get install |
| 04:01.27 | polyphagia | something like that |
| 04:01.35 | polyphagia | if you want to mark everything that autoremove wants gone |
| 04:01.41 | polyphagia | as manually installed |
| 04:02.06 | shay_shay | dontknow, compare these two https://packages.debian.org/sid/task-gnome-desktop https://packages.debian.org/sid/task-xfce-desktop |
| 04:02.59 | shay_shay | you can remove the first task and then autoremove presumably, but you can go over that list and clean it up manually |
| 04:03.10 | shay_shay | then you can just install the metapackage for xfce |
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| 04:07.28 | dontknow | it is quite stable tough. i just needed to enter manual xorg.conf because full screen video with mpv was causing crash |
| 04:10.11 | polyphagia | where're you from dontknow ? |
| 04:10.57 | dontknow | polyphagia, from earth :p |
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| 04:37.26 | NemeSis | hi every one ,,, hoe can i fix this error : http://pastebin.com/giA7jVTU "openjdk-7-jdk : Depends: openjdk-7-jre (= 7u75-2.5.4-1~deb7u1) but it is not going to be installed" |
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| 04:41.57 | phix | NemeSis: dang |
| 04:42.13 | NemeSis | phix, what ? |
| 04:43.38 | phix | That's a doosey |
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| 04:47.19 | NemeSis | hi every one ,,, hoe can i fix this error : http://pastebin.com/giA7jVTU "openjdk-7-jdk : Depends: openjdk-7-jre (= 7u75-2.5.4-1~deb7u1) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 04:47.49 | phix | install it |
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| 04:56.29 | NemeSis | phix, what is this ? |
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| 04:58.13 | NemeSis | hi every one ,,, hoe can i fix this error : http://pastebin.com/giA7jVTU "openjdk-7-jdk : Depends: openjdk-7-jre (= 7u75-2.5.4-1~deb7u1) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 04:59.31 | shay_shay | i wonder, does ~/bin get added to path on startup? |
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| 05:01.35 | berndj | shay_shay, i've seen distros (not my current one - jessie) ass ~/bin to $PATH if that directory exists |
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| 05:02.12 | shay_shay | berndj, more accurately, does ~/.profile get sourced for .desktop files |
| 05:02.46 | shay_shay | .profile has this in it on jessie: PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH" |
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| 05:19.28 | berndj | shay_shay, you mean those .desktop files with the [section] / key=value format? those aren't shell scripts, so it wouldn't make sense to source a shell profile |
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| 05:24.32 | NemeSis | hi every one ,,, hoe can i fix this error : http://pastebin.com/giA7jVTU "openjdk-7-jdk : Depends: openjdk-7-jre (= 7u75-2.5.4-1~deb7u1) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 05:27.57 | phix | NemeSis: ummmmm |
| 05:28.09 | phix | sudo apt-get update |
| 05:28.16 | phix | then try it again |
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| 05:28.43 | NemeSis | phix, look this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28271507/depends-openjdk-7-jre-headless-7u75-2-5-4-1deb7u1-but-it-is-not-going-to-b |
| 05:28.49 | Rusty1 | NemeSis: type: apt-get clean, then apt-get update then apt-get -f install |
| 05:29.24 | NemeSis | phix, this is my post on stack overflo , please read this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28271507/depends-openjdk-7-jre-headless-7u75-2-5-4-1deb7u1-but-it-is-not-going-to-b |
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| 05:33.33 | NemeSis | Rusty1, this is my post on stack overflo , please read this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28271507/depends-openjdk-7-jre-headless-7u75-2-5-4-1deb7u1-but-it-is-not-going-to-b |
| 05:34.55 | Rusty1 | NemeSis: what version debian ? |
| 05:35.13 | NemeSis | Rusty1, debian wheezy and update |
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| 05:36.53 | Rusty1 | NemeSis: what does apt-get clean return? |
| 05:39.35 | NemeSis | Rusty1, http://pastebin.com/f5K9xV5Q |
| 05:40.28 | Rusty1 | NemeSis: now what does apt-get update return? |
| 05:40.51 | NemeSis | Rusty1, nothing |
| 05:41.34 | polyphagia | what mirror are you using NemeSis |
| 05:42.51 | Rusty1 | NemeSis: that pastebin does not show apt-get update |
| 05:45.27 | NemeSis | Rusty1, http://pastebin.com/xxaPXHVv |
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| 05:46.14 | polyphagia | NemeSis: did you try a different mirror? |
| 05:46.24 | NemeSis | polyphagia, debian standard miror : |
| 05:46.27 | polyphagia | it's not |
| 05:46.30 | NemeSis | polyphagia, like what ? |
| 05:46.32 | shay_shay | oh for the record, .desktops in ~/.config/autostart can executables in ~/bin if ~/bin is added to path in users .profile |
| 05:46.33 | polyphagia | it's turkeylinux.org |
| 05:46.48 | NemeSis | polyphagia, its debian ! |
| 05:47.00 | polyphagia | https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 05:47.03 | NemeSis | polyphagia, turnkey and debian, are same |
| 05:47.12 | Rusty1 | NemeSis: as i am off to bed ,i suspect turnkeylinux repos may be causing trouble, disable them in /etc/apt/sources and try again |
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| 05:47.35 | polyphagia | NemeSis: well the dates the look old on turnkey |
| 05:47.43 | polyphagia | 2014-Jul-25 08:14:03 |
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| 05:47.50 | polyphagia | it's probably the mirror |
| 05:48.05 | polyphagia | switch to a different one in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:49.17 | polyphagia | then run apt-get update and try again |
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| 05:52.46 | polyphagia | NemeSis: did you get it? |
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| 05:57.54 | NemeSis | polyphagia, debian is too stupid OS , i try to reinstall debia OS, now its work !!! |
| 05:58.40 | Volunteers | this is true |
| 05:58.53 | Volunteers | this is why i installed Ubuntu, it's superior |
| 05:59.44 | polyphagia | o |
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| 06:00.02 | polyphagia | i didn't realize i was in #badmouthdebian |
| 06:00.05 | zRecursive | There is Ubuntu, why debian ? |
| 06:00.19 | polyphagia | HELP |
| 06:04.04 | eb0t | buffer 12 |
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| 06:18.23 | triogenes | does anyone run jessie on their stable systems? just curious |
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| 06:19.25 | rjsalts | triogenes: no, jessie is still testing ;)~ |
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| 06:20.37 | rjsalts | triogenes: it's getting to the stage where it is probably pretty safe to run, with the exception of security support |
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| 06:27.20 | somiaj | triogenes: many run jessie, but they do so with out security support. For a desktop I wouldn't think this is a huge issue, for a server I would. |
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| 06:34.29 | jaggzt | I can't enable two displays (1600x1200 primary + 1920x1080 secondary (tv)) at those resolutions normally.. but just now I rebooted my system, and with both enabled before shutting down, it came up with them on |
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| 06:34.55 | jaggzt | it's a nvidia geforce 970, running kde in wheezy |
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| 06:36.42 | somiaj | jaggzt: how are you trying to enable the second monintor before letting it get detected at boot? What graphics drivers are you using? |
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| 06:40.15 | minnesotags1 | What is the latest amd64 linux image and kernel for wheezy, either through the stable repo or backports? The wheezy image is 3.2 and backport image is 3.16. It is confusing. |
| 06:41.46 | jaggzt | just tested again.. disabled the second and re-enabled it.. looks like soe weird memory error.. I can't see my typing (the screen is stuck in a snapshot of itself) |
| 06:41.53 | jaggzt | and there's a colored stripe going across the middle |
| 06:42.23 | jaggzt | nvidia's official.. oh right, just found out eralier today that those aren't supported |
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| 06:44.15 | jaggzt | okay.. phew.. got it fixed.. can see the mouse and it's not fully frozen -- another app (KDE's settings -> display) pops up.. but I can't see window updates so I had to click things and switch to a text console then back to X. but anyway, it might be a nvidia-driver issue so I'll stop discussing it here |
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| 06:45.29 | somiaj | jaggzt: they are, but you should get them from debian non-free and not nvidia.com so they are integated with apt/dpkg. Debian just dosen't play nicely when stuff is installed that it doesn't know about (and is core like say video drivers). I suspsect KDE just uses xrandr, you can open up a terminal and type xrandr -q to see a list of monintors and the resoultions they support (along with current settings) |
| 06:45.52 | jaggzt | somiaj, the 970 wasn't supported in the non-free drivers at the time.. |
| 06:45.59 | jaggzt | I couldn't see, earlier today, if it's supported yet |
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| 06:46.00 | somiaj | hmm, you do have a 970, yea that might be a bit problematic, |
| 06:46.03 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-drivers |
| 06:46.04 | jaggzt | wasn't sure where to look |
| 06:46.04 | judd | No package named 'nvidia-drivers' was found in i386. |
| 06:46.14 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 06:46.15 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.125-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.65-2~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.65-2; sid/non-free: 340.65-2; experimental/non-free: 343.36-1 |
| 06:46.40 | somiaj | jaggzt: do you know if 340.65 supports it, you will have to check nvidia.com |
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| 06:46.54 | somiaj | the only other option seems is 343.36 from experimental but you'll have ot make your own backport of that |
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| 06:49.48 | jaggzt | somiaj, no.. looks like it would require a 343 (mine is 343.22) |
| 06:49.59 | jaggzt | oh, neat.. how do I make a backport? |
| 06:50.12 | jaggzt | https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 06:50.16 | jaggzt | got it.. maybe. |
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| 06:50.56 | jaggzt | thanks for the help.. :) |
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| 06:51.21 | somiaj | !tell jaggzt about ssb |
| 06:51.32 | somiaj | those instructions have worked fine for me in the past when working with nvidia drivers, no really snag |
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| 06:52.07 | somiaj | This will make packages you can install on your system which may play nicer than using nviai.com |
| 06:52.23 | somiaj | there is of course no testing to see how well they work on wheezy (or are you running jessie)? |
| 06:53.00 | jaggzt | I'm on wheezy.. but thinking about going to Jessie right now.. because I accidentally did an su - and ended up in the wrong dir, and chowned my whole system to my own account |
| 06:53.13 | jaggzt | (with chown -R ../..) |
| 06:53.21 | jaggzt | that should have been many folders deep, but oops. |
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| 06:54.08 | RDash | jaggzt, I did: chown -R root:root /home/<username> now every thing broke \/o |
| 06:54.10 | RDash | \o/ |
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| 06:55.14 | somiaj | RDash: that one is easy to fix, it is when you start messing with system files that it is a pain |
| 06:55.22 | RDash | I know :P |
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| 06:55.24 | jaggzt | rdash, yeah that shouldn't be too bad :) |
| 06:55.38 | jaggzt | rm -rf / somedir <-- I did that in 1997 or so |
| 06:55.44 | RDash | chown -R <username>:<username> /home/<username> |
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| 06:56.08 | RDash | jaggzt, I managed to do rm -rf /lost+found/ cause I dint understood that directory |
| 06:56.12 | jaggzt | lol |
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| 06:56.28 | RDash | which fucked up my system after reboot |
| 06:56.42 | RDash | although I called it after the reinstall 'Exploring the boundaries' |
| 06:56.58 | jaggzt | what's dpkg's debian -> wheezy help? |
| 06:57.11 | minnesotags1 | The linux image in wheezy-stable is 3.2, the linux image in wheezy-backport image is 3.16. Which is "newer"? I'm confused. |
| 06:57.13 | jaggzt | !tell jaggzt about wheezy->jessie |
| 06:57.16 | jaggzt | I mean, that |
| 06:57.46 | RDash | jaggzt, jessie is wel worth running ;) |
| 06:58.07 | RDash | got tired of wheezy so upgraded to jessie, whole new world opened |
| 06:58.21 | ryouma | what opened RDash? |
| 06:58.33 | RDash | a new world :P |
| 06:58.48 | ryouma | real descriptive... |
| 06:59.16 | jaggzt | how's it different? |
| 06:59.20 | RDash | ryouma, it opened a new desktop environment? :P |
| 06:59.25 | jaggzt | will soon find out.. maybe.. although I'm in kde |
| 06:59.34 | minnesotags1 | Yeah, that's great. So which wheezy linux image is the "latest"? 3.2 from stable, or 3.16 from backports? |
| 06:59.47 | RDash | jaggzt, systemd is a huge change also the cinnamon WM is much better and such |
| 07:00.04 | jaggzt | isn't wheezy in systemd?? |
| 07:00.14 | minnesotags1 | Here we go again.... |
| 07:00.30 | RDash | lol |
| 07:00.31 | RDash | brb smoke |
| 07:00.38 | ryouma | well, i don't use a de and i try to avoid tweaking init, so that won't matter to me. maybe i will try cinnamon, if it can do what i need but i doubt it will. |
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| 07:01.20 | somiaj | jaggzt: /msg dpkg factoid |
| 07:01.41 | jaggzt | heh |
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| 07:02.00 | polyphagia | yeah jessie is fantastic |
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| 07:02.18 | somiaj | jaggzt: no need to tell him to tell yourself, jessie has newer software, and since it is frozen and they have been working on bugfs for a while now runs fairly well. There are still some major rc bugs in it, and it gets no security support. If you can live with that you are fine |
| 07:02.25 | somiaj | rc bugs don't seem to effect my systems. |
| 07:03.05 | jaggzt | what does it mean, "no security support"? it lags behind advisory fixes? |
| 07:04.55 | minnesotags1 | Negative contact on Debian linux kernel question on Debian channel. Not standing by on channel "Debian". Over and out. |
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| 07:07.02 | zRecursive | In /etc/X11/xorg.conf, Why donot `Modes "1440x900_60"` and `Modes "1440x900@60"` work ? `Modes "1440x900"` works though. |
| 07:08.28 | jaggzt | not sure.. been a long time since I had to mess with modelines |
| 07:08.43 | RDash | jaggzt, no need to for these days o.0 |
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| 07:08.58 | RDash | simply autoconfigure xorg |
| 07:09.52 | RDash | zRecursive, what video card ye got? |
| 07:09.55 | jaggzt | hopefully going from wheezy to jessie will fix all my chowned |
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| 07:10.36 | RDash | jaggzt, no it wont :P |
| 07:10.39 | zRecursive | RDash: nvidia |
| 07:10.41 | jaggzt | zRecursive, maybe _60 is not supported by the driver?? |
| 07:10.58 | jaggzt | zRecursive, look for supported modelines for your driver.. maybe.. or isn't there some software which dumps them out? |
| 07:11.07 | jaggzt | RDash, a lot of them? :/ |
| 07:11.14 | somiaj | jaggzt: you will mostly have to reinstall to get all the ownership back to what it should be |
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| 07:11.26 | zRecursive | jaggzt: thanks |
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| 07:11.52 | RDash | zRecursive, best thing is to reconfigure your NVIDIA part of XORG |
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| 07:12.03 | RDash | it should auto configure every thing propperly |
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| 07:13.11 | RDash | zRecursive, when you got a clean xorg.conf run this: echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
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| 07:13.32 | RDash | with "My GPU" replaced with your card |
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| 07:15.35 | zRecursive | RDash: thanks |
| 07:15.50 | RDash | zRecursive, that should be enough for a propper configuration |
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| 07:15.59 | RDash | zRecursive, if you are using propriatairy drivers |
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| 07:18.15 | Katharsis | how to remove tzdata 2015a-0wheezy1? |
| 07:18.46 | Katharsis | it breaks other packages (openjdk etc) |
| 07:19.03 | Katharsis | need to back to 2014j-0wheezy1, but how? |
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| 07:23.25 | Katharsis | apt-get install tzdata=2014j-0wheezy1 fix the problem ;) |
| 07:23.35 | wizardged | is anyone here familiar with luks and lvm more specifically luks encryping a new drive and then making the luks encrypted drive an extension of your lvm |
| 07:23.46 | jelly | dpkg, tell Katharsis about snapshot |
| 07:25.06 | jelly | Katharsis: please file a bug report on tzdata if possible |
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| 07:30.41 | Katharsis | jelly: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/02/msg00038.html ;) |
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| 07:31.39 | polyphagia | can only the official package maintainer move a package to a different section? |
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| 08:31.09 | gXen | Hi, I have a problem installing gcc on wheezy, googled alot, tried alot... but I am still stuck |
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| 08:31.34 | colo-work | apt-get install build-essential |
| 08:31.41 | colo-work | if you have nough diskspace, that will do it. |
| 08:31.43 | gXen | colo, that doesnt work |
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| 08:32.17 | gXen | Setting up gcc (4:4.7.2-1) ... |
| 08:32.18 | gXen | update-alternatives: error: alternative path /usr/bin/gcc doesn't exist |
| 08:32.18 | gXen | dpkg: error processing gcc (--configure): |
| 08:32.18 | dpkg | gxen: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 08:32.19 | gXen | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.53 | gXen | I got this: http://pastebin.com/9KSvyGwi |
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| 08:34.27 | kingsley | How would you diagnose why root can log in through xdm, but a certain user can not. He can only log in through a console, like ctl-alt-F2? |
| 08:34.54 | kingsley | How would you diagnose why root can log in through xdm, but a certain user can not? He can only log in through a console, like ctl-alt-F2. |
| 08:36.51 | nkuttler | kingsley: define can not? |
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| 08:37.27 | kingsley | nkuttler, OK, that makes sense. |
| 08:38.01 | gXen | anyone an idea why I cannot install gcc as per this: http://pastebin.com/9KSvyGwi |
| 08:38.09 | kingsley | When I wrote that a user can not, what I meant is that a user other than root can not log in though xdm. |
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| 08:38.54 | kingsley | At xdm, he types his user name, and then his password, the screen goes blank, and then a new xdm window pops up. |
| 08:39.13 | nkuttler | kingsley: check ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 08:52.25 | gXen | can anyone please help with installing gcc? |
| 08:52.45 | gXen | I have this error: http://pastebin.com/9KSvyGwi |
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| 08:55.47 | colo-work | gXen, how did you try to install it initially? |
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| 08:56.20 | gXen | colo-work: I assume it was installed initially with installing the OS |
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| 08:56.50 | gXen | it was only when I received an error regarding the installation of another package that I tried to reinstall |
| 08:56.59 | Pyrat | <tr> |
| 08:56.59 | Pyrat | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.16 | Pyrat | apologies guys, wrong window |
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| 08:59.56 | gXen | I tried to remove gcc and reinstall with apt-get install build-essentials (among other things) but always run into the same error |
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| 09:06.41 | Pyrat | gXen: Did you try 'apt-get --reinstall build-essential' and 'apt-get --purge remove build-essential ; apt-get install build-essential'? |
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| 09:08.03 | gXen | Pyrat: yes, same error |
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| 09:09.25 | gXen | when you use build-essential, it tries to install gcc first, and the installation of the rest depends on gcc. during the installation of gcc, it prooduces error message: update-alternatives: error: alternative path /usr/bin/gcc doesn't exist |
| 09:09.36 | gXen | dpkg: error processing gcc (--configure): |
| 09:09.36 | dpkg | gxen: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 09:10.29 | gXen | this is the error message I get when gcc is trying to be installed: http://pastebin.com/FxxqC1wF |
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| 09:11.37 | gXen | after that I try: apt-get -f install . But that gives the exact same error message |
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| 09:12.16 | Gerben | gXen, that link returns a 404 |
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| 09:12.43 | gXen | http://pastebin.com/FxxqC1wF |
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| 09:12.55 | Gerben | still 404 |
| 09:13.55 | gXen | new paste: http://pastebin.com/YTYGMH9c |
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| 09:15.12 | gXen | that works? |
| 09:15.15 | Gerben | yes |
| 09:15.25 | Gerben | I searched the error, found this forum thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2121408 |
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| 09:16.08 | gXen | Gerben: I also found that, but again, I got the same error |
| 09:16.31 | Gerben | I think the dpkg line is the most important, that line gives you the same error? |
| 09:16.38 | gXen | yes Gerben |
| 09:17.11 | gXen | http://pastie.org/9879908 |
| 09:17.40 | gXen | http://pastie.org/9879911 |
| 09:18.04 | Gerben | dpkg -r gcc , and then apt-get install gcc ; does that help? |
| 09:18.04 | dpkg | removes gcc , and then apt-get install gcc ; does that help along with a pound of flesh from gerben's body, then staples gerben back up with a staple gun. |
| 09:18.46 | gXen | finally, same error: http://pastie.org/9879915 |
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| 09:19.35 | gXen | dpkg -r gcc , and then apt-get install gcc ; does that help? same error |
| 09:19.35 | dpkg | removes gcc , and then apt-get install gcc ; does that help? same error along with a pound of flesh from gxen's body, then staples gxen back up with a staple gun. |
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| 09:20.38 | rom1v | hi |
| 09:21.44 | rom1v | what is the meaning of "+" in the package name parameter of apt-get? "apt-get install vera++" tries to install "vera+" |
| 09:21.58 | rom1v | "apt-get install vera+++++" tries to install vera++++ |
| 09:22.00 | rom1v | it always removes a "+" |
| 09:24.10 | Iridos | it doesn't... apt-get install bonnie++ installs bonnie++ as it should |
| 09:24.45 | rom1v | you're right, but maybe there is problem with vera because a package "vera" also exists? |
| 09:25.06 | Iridos | it might be some feature that it tries to remove the first + and everything after because there are version strings that come after a + (although I cannot come up with one right now) |
| 09:25.44 | rom1v | ah, it consider it as a regex! |
| 09:25.55 | Iridos | oh, it actually tells you when you run "apt-get install vera+++++" |
| 09:26.12 | Iridos | Note, selecting 'libtest-pod-coverage-perl' for regex 'vera++++' |
| 09:26.15 | rom1v | it install everything containing vera+: python-coverage-dbg ⦠|
| 09:26.16 | Iridos | and soo on |
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| 09:26.58 | Iridos | apt-get allows you to use regexp... and apparently it's extended regexp and then + means "one or more of any characters" |
| 09:27.09 | Iridos | and coVERAge contains vera |
| 09:27.26 | Iridos | with enough letters following to satisfy the regexp |
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| 09:28.28 | Iridos | which makes using "++" in package names like in bonnie++ a bad thing... that luckily doesn't seem to crate problems for bonnie++ |
| 09:28.34 | rom1v | yes, that's it |
| 09:29.19 | rom1v | 'vera\+\+' does not work |
| 09:29.26 | rom1v | I cannot escape the + |
| 09:29.40 | Gerben | gXen, I checked on a server here, /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink to gcc-4.7, not using the /etc/alternatives system. You could try if it helps to manually create /usr/bin/gcc in some way. I can't help you much further I'm afraid. |
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| 09:30.24 | gXen | ty Gerben |
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| 09:47.14 | Seth-666 | hello |
| 09:47.23 | Seth-666 | anybody? |
| 09:47.41 | Seth-666 | i want to ask something |
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| 09:49.06 | Twinkletoes | Seth-666: Don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 09:49.48 | Seth-666 | how can i test my compatibility hardware |
| 09:50.01 | Seth-666 | to fiind out what linux is good for me |
| 09:50.03 | Seth-666 | ? |
| 09:50.20 | Seth-666 | i have know debian but i am a noob ... |
| 09:50.31 | Seth-666 | i know linux but not that good |
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| 09:52.11 | Seth-666 | can i do that someway ? |
| 09:52.24 | Twinkletoes | Seth-666: https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
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| 09:52.48 | Twinkletoes | Seth-666: It's a LiveCD. It means you can test linux/Debian and see if it works on your computer, without installing anything |
| 09:53.21 | Seth-666 | is its works |
| 09:53.31 | Seth-666 | now i have debian on pc |
| 09:53.32 | Twinkletoes | Seth-666: It's Linux - it pretty much will work, regardless of distro |
| 09:53.43 | Seth-666 | but its too hard for a noob like me |
| 09:54.04 | Twinkletoes | Seth-666: All the popular distros have LiveCDs - that's the best way to try - just boot one up |
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| 09:54.20 | Twinkletoes | Seth-666: Try Ubuntu or Fedora, if Debian is too hard |
| 09:54.49 | Twinkletoes | Seth-666: Ubuntu is built on DEbian but slightly more user-friendly, and Fedora is a bit differetn but geared more to the new user in some ways |
| 09:54.50 | Seth-666 | that i know , wanted to know if is a command to fiind it out |
| 09:54.56 | Twinkletoes | Seth-666: No there isn't |
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| 09:56.01 | Seth-666 | i like debian because it have less errors in logview ... but i am starter ... i want to learn and i will sure go back later on debian |
| 09:56.22 | Seth-666 | its the moust perfect allmoust no errors on boot log |
| 09:56.30 | Twinkletoes | Seth-666: There are a few main distros of Linux, and a lot of others are built on them |
| 09:56.43 | Twinkletoes | Seth-666: Debian, Gentoo are too "main" ones... |
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| 09:56.57 | Twinkletoes | Seth-666: Mint/Ubuntu and more... are all built on DEbian |
| 09:57.21 | Twinkletoes | Seth-666: Have you looked at distrowatch.org? |
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| 09:57.42 | Twinkletoes | Seth-666: It gives a broef description of each flavour indlugin what distribution it's built on, and perhaps whether it's suitable for beginners |
| 09:57.59 | Twinkletoes | Seth-666: There's no getting around it though, if you're a Windows user, there is a learning curve. |
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| 10:02.36 | rom1v | how to disable (or escape) regex for package names in apt-get install? |
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| 10:04.05 | jelly | rom1v: does "apt-get -s install g++" work for you? |
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| 10:04.37 | rom1v | yes |
| 10:05.01 | rom1v | but it works because g++ is the only package matching regex "g++" |
| 10:05.06 | rom1v | vera++ is not |
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| 10:05.40 | rom1v | (or I don't know what is the difference) |
| 10:05.51 | jelly | ,v vera++ |
| 10:05.52 | judd | Package: vera++ on i386 -- jessie: 1.2.1-2+b1; sid: 1.2.1-2+b1 |
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| 10:08.11 | rom1v | try apt-get install -s vera++ |
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| 10:08.32 | rom1v | it select a lot of packages containing "vera", like php-codecoverage |
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| 10:09.03 | jelly | and worse, using 'vera\+\+' doesn't work eithe |
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| 10:10.14 | jelly | rom1v: use '^vera\+\+$' and consider filing a bug report |
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| 10:12.53 | jelly | rom1v: which version of apt do you have installed? |
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| 10:14.25 | rom1v | 0.9.7.9+deb7u7 |
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| 10:16.49 | rom1v | same problem on debian sid |
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| 10:24.15 | nase7 | Hello. I have a tiny WD NAS box (My Cloud) with a proper Jessie installed. I have ssh root access. Now I found out it's not that "full Jessie" after all, it has dm_mod missing (at least). What would be the recommended way to turn that debian into a real "stock" one, just as I know from my workstation? Like, would updates etc work if I (only) update/recompile the kernel? |
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| 10:25.50 | jelly | rom1v: but there is no vera++ on wheezy at all |
| 10:25.52 | nase7 | It is an ARM box. Sources are stock, but there are some specific packages (with nas and WD in the name) installed. A ton of packages are "held back", trying to upgrade everything as it is now breaks dependencies. |
| 10:27.00 | jelly | rom1v: and I can't reproduce it on testing: http://paste.debian.net/143519/ |
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| 10:28.30 | azizLIGHT | Is jesse out? |
| 10:28.39 | azizLIGHT | Stable? |
| 10:28.40 | jelly | nase7: installing a custom kernel on an arm box can be really tricky |
| 10:28.45 | jelly | azizLIGHT: nope |
| 10:29.02 | azizLIGHT | Ah ok |
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| 10:29.49 | SynrGy | !wwjr |
| 10:29.50 | dpkg | I have no idea when Debian 8.0 "Jessie" will release -- when it's ready, I guess, but I do know about the <jessie freeze>. For user contributed guesses on when it will release, ask me about <jessie pool 1>. See also <release goals>, <wir>. |
| 10:30.13 | jelly | !richihwwjr |
| 10:30.13 | dpkg | When _might_ jessie release? Read the latest blog at http://richardhartmann.de/tags/tech/floss/debian/rc-stats/8.0-jessie/ and guess yourself! |
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| 10:32.00 | SynrGy | hmm. isn't that green line going the wrong way? :) |
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| 10:32.27 | nase7 | jelly: thanks for the warning. The sources are available, and actually I just want a "normal" kernel, no custom kernel ;-) |
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| 10:35.04 | jelly | nase7: are you 100% positive debian has a prebuilt kernel that will work on your board? |
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| 10:35.33 | jelly | SynrGy: yes, good news! |
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| 10:38.58 | nase7 | I am absolutely not sure! What would be a certain wy to find out? Oh, and it's acceptable to break the whole setup a few times, I have a dd'able backup :-) |
| 10:39.09 | ashka | hi, this just happened when I started an apt upgrade through KDE's Apper. http://paste.awesom.eu/2lkM I am running up-to-date debian wheezy |
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| 10:40.18 | testdeb | hi can anyonw tell me a good PC benchmarking software for debin like novabench? |
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| 10:41.42 | testdeb | my PC with debian is incredibly slow and would like to check is there some hardware issue (like power supply/memory access etc) i use M4800 which seems to have this issue for some people using wrong power supplies |
| 10:41.47 | jelly | nase7: each arm board is different than the other and has specific methods to boot a kernel. Often they only really work with a specific vendor-patched kernel tree and specific boot loader. |
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| 10:42.57 | jelly | nase7: you'll have to investigate how feasible this is with the exact brand and model |
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| 11:48.16 | wiggl3 | Hi! I'm trying to install https://github.com/cryptodotis/irssi-otr into my user directory. It requires `libotr-4.1.0`, but my admin prefers not to use backports so I managed to install it into `~/libotr` (https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/libotr-4.1.0.tar.gz). |
| 11:48.20 | wiggl3 | But now how do I actually install `irssi-otr`? I tried `~/irssi-otr$ ./configure --prefix="/home/wiggl3/libotr/usr"` but I'm getting: `checking for libotr headers version 4.x >= 4.0.0... not present` |
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| 11:54.05 | wiggl3 | Why would one "prefer not to use backports" anyway? |
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| 11:59.11 | sunbeam | how can I find out where my mails on my server are kept? |
| 11:59.31 | wiggl3 | sunbeam: Do you use the Maildir format? |
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| 11:59.54 | wiggl3 | if so it's ~/Maildir or ~/.maildir |
| 11:59.59 | sunbeam | sec |
| 12:00.07 | wiggl3 | if not it's probably /var/mail/sunbeam |
| 12:00.09 | sunbeam | for which user should that be? I have directadmin as panel |
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| 12:00.32 | sunbeam | /var/mail contains 3 0byte files |
| 12:01.24 | wiggl3 | sunbeam: That's usually where they're at. Maybe your mail transfer agent is fucked up |
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| 12:01.45 | sunbeam | /home/user/imap/domain.com/info/Maildir |
| 12:01.47 | sunbeam | here it is |
| 12:01.50 | sunbeam | for me |
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| 12:02.24 | wiggl3 | sunbeam: I'm not really a Debian user though, I come from OpenBSD where I use the world's most elegant mail transfer agent http://opensmtpd.org (created as a means to get rid of the bullshit in Postfix / sendmail) -- highly recommended. |
| 12:02.29 | wiggl3 | ah ok |
| 12:02.30 | wiggl3 | great |
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| 12:03.15 | sunbeam | which util keeps the emails? |
| 12:03.35 | sunbeam | how can I see that |
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| 12:41.01 | s3virge | morning... |
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| 12:45.03 | makafsal | anybody please tell me a simple pipe program in c |
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| 12:54.03 | musca | makafsal: what do you search for? |
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| 12:57.50 | musca | s3virge: still on 800x600, or did you see any progress in that matter? |
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| 13:00.31 | s3virge | musca: still 800X600 |
| 13:00.43 | s3virge | i dont know what to do :( |
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| 13:01.07 | musca | which driver do you use? |
| 13:01.19 | s3virge | i dont know. |
| 13:01.36 | s3virge | how i can check something like that? |
| 13:01.50 | musca | pastebinit -s paste.debian.net /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 13:02.05 | makafsal | musca: i want a simpe program in c implement pipe concept |
| 13:02.49 | s3virge | musca: one sec. |
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| 13:03.15 | tpo | makafsal, google for "c example pipe", second hit |
| 13:03.46 | trewas | makafsal: man 2 pipe, man-pages should be usually the first place to look info on basic functions |
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| 13:07.18 | i5um41ru | why i can't access my tty after installing kde-full desktop environment on my debian os? |
| 13:07.19 | s3_virge | you can right to me the comman again, I've go to other computer. |
| 13:07.30 | s3_virge | write** |
| 13:07.38 | s3_virge | type* |
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| 13:11.08 | s3_virge | musca: ^ |
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| 13:12.18 | L0aD1nG | hey hey |
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| 13:12.33 | musca | s3_virge: pastebinit -s paste.debian.net /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 13:12.47 | L0aD1nG | why apt-get update would try to get updates from ftp.roedu.net |
| 13:12.55 | L0aD1nG | does anyone else has the same problem |
| 13:13.05 | L0aD1nG | my source.list is the same as before |
| 13:13.11 | musca | !sources |
| 13:13.11 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 13:13.18 | L0aD1nG | lol |
| 13:13.21 | s3_virge | musca: Invalid arguments! |
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| 13:13.38 | s3_virge | he did not like the -s |
| 13:13.39 | xreal | I think about starting a Debian Fork with stronger rules for packagers and script maintainers. |
| 13:14.26 | musca | s3_virge: sorry, it is -b |
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| 13:14.52 | xreal | I'll call it "Debian for Professionals" |
| 13:14.54 | s3_virge | http://paste.debian.net/143543/ |
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| 13:16.53 | musca | s3_virge: okay, you are using the VESA driver |
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| 13:17.32 | s3_virge | musca: it is agood thing? |
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| 13:22.24 | musca | s3_virge: it is expected. ancient drivers got removed from newer xorg. vesa is universal, but doesn't provide any acceleration. |
| 13:22.46 | musca | s3_virge: [ 12.360] (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" |
| 13:23.06 | s3_virge | musca: i dont need much acceleration. |
| 13:23.18 | s3_virge | only use feh |
| 13:23.21 | musca | xorg.conf is usually not needed. |
| 13:24.03 | musca | !empty xorg.conf |
| 13:24.03 | dpkg | Starting from Debian 5.0 "Lenny", /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty or non-existent, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg. See also <xorg manual config>, <xorg.conf.d>, <xorg hal>. |
| 13:24.46 | s3_virge | musca: what i need to put in the xorg.conf? |
| 13:25.14 | musca | s3_virge: so we need to check your xorg.conf file or you rename it to xorg.conf-not-needed |
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| 13:39.12 | Salr_D | hi |
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| 13:40.07 | Salr_D | I have a lot of processes like "python myscript.py -t -a ...". I'm trying to kill them with "pkill myscript" but It doesn't work. Any solution? Thank you |
| 13:41.01 | st_d3vil | killall -9 python =) |
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| 13:41.38 | Salr_D | st_d3vil: but I don't want to kill others scripts :p |
| 13:41.43 | frostschutz | Salr_D, pkill --full 'python myscript.py'? |
| 13:41.50 | Salr_D | frostschutz: let me try it |
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| 13:42.23 | Salr_D | frostschutz: that works :D thank you |
| 13:42.28 | Salr_D | I did not know that flag |
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| 13:43.07 | Salr_D | that maches the full command, thank you :) |
| 13:43.27 | L0aD1nG | am I the only one that can not apt-get update properly? |
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| 13:43.55 | tpo | L0aD1nG, you did not show us your sources.list |
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| 13:44.39 | L0aD1nG | My source.list is the same as always, the one that was properly working till today... |
| 13:44.42 | L0aD1nG | no need to pastebin |
| 13:44.49 | L0aD1nG | maybe is something with iptables |
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| 13:45.15 | s3_virge | musca: I've get a time out in the irc, |
| 13:45.30 | s3_virge | you type something? |
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| 13:50.27 | musca | s3_virge: so we need to check your xorg.conf file or you rename it to xorg.conf-not-needed |
| 13:51.10 | s3_virge | this? /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 13:51.26 | musca | yes |
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| 13:52.04 | tpo | I'm asking this on #kernelnewbies, but it's silent there. Maybe somebody knows here: when I make a system call, the CPU switches to ring 0 and calls the system_call function, which will use the kernel stack. From where does the kernel get restored from? Who sets it? |
| 13:52.30 | s3_virge | musca: http://paste.debian.net/143552/ |
| 13:52.47 | tpo | argh: "From where does the kernel stack pointer get restored from" |
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| 13:54.07 | s3_virge | musca: the file in the pastebin, is the /etc/X11/xorg.conf. |
| 13:54.23 | musca | s3_virge: where did you get this config from? |
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| 13:55.15 | s3_virge | something generate it after some command, not sure what I did. |
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| 13:55.30 | musca | s3_virge: yes, it looks rather generic. I suggest you rename it, so xorg will start with autoconfiguration. |
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| 13:56.38 | s3_virge | musca: it put it on /root and i've copy it to /etc/X11/ |
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| 13:56.56 | bourne | hello everybody |
| 13:57.29 | bourne | today I installed debian but have problem with wifi connection |
| 13:57.41 | bourne | anybody can help me? |
| 13:57.52 | mtn | !ask |
| 13:57.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:58.08 | musca | s3_virge: it is safe to remove that file. xorg will be able to start without it. |
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| 13:58.12 | TheAlien | hey folks :) had a debian system with java 6. we also installed java 7 and changed some links to point at the new install. then after an apt-get update, all copies of the java binary seem to be v6 including the one in /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java, how can that be? can it be fixed? we ran update-alternatives --config java and chose that one but still everything reports java6, thoughts?? |
| 13:59.07 | bourne | I find drivers to my iwlwifi-4965-2ucode |
| 13:59.15 | s3_virge | musca: but where i need to put the 1024X768 for the vesa? |
| 14:00.00 | bourne | and this is tar.gz but the idea how I must installed this package in the debian example from terminal |
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| 14:00.24 | elabo | i'm looking for nginx master :) |
| 14:00.29 | s3_virge | musca: I've change it now to xorg.conf-not-needed |
| 14:00.29 | bourne | I have some error |
| 14:00.34 | elabo | http://p.ngx.cc/10 |
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| 14:01.56 | mtn | bourne: but what is the real problem? why are you trying to install this file? what version of debian, etc. etc.? |
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| 14:02.23 | bourne | mtn the version debian is 7.08 |
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| 14:03.52 | bourne | mtn I must installed this file because when I started installed my Debian then ask about this file and I don't have connection then I think so I need this to my wifi card |
| 14:04.00 | L0aD1nG | I am still facing this problem, apt-get update will try to connect on this "ftp.roedu.com" and fail cause it is actually down... any ideas why this is happening? |
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| 14:04.19 | L0aD1nG | *.net |
| 14:04.26 | L0aD1nG | ftp.roedu.net actually |
| 14:04.38 | mtn | bourne: your wifi is not working at all? intel should "just work". have you taken a look at the debian wireless wiki entry? I would start there. |
| 14:05.51 | bourne | mtn I find the package with drivers from https://packages.debian.org/pl/wheezy/firmware-iwlwifi this is correct wright? |
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| 14:06.28 | mtn | bourne: it might be if that is for your card/chip. you should start with the wiki, as I said. it will walk you through checking everything out. |
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| 14:07.23 | bourne | mtn ok thank for advice |
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| 14:07.35 | zmo | hi! |
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| 14:08.22 | zmo | I'm using debian wheezy, and I use the default gnome-shell as interface.. So I configured my printer using the UI, but whenever I turn off/on my printer I need to get back in the UI to "unpause" the printer |
| 14:08.46 | zmo | I tried to look on the web how I can make the printer never paused when back on, or how to do it on the commandline |
| 14:08.50 | zmo | and I find no answers on that |
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| 14:09.04 | zmo | anybody knows or could tell me? Or shall I ask the gnome guys? :-) |
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| 14:09.53 | RDash | zmo, gnomes always have pots with gold ;) |
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| 14:14.26 | s3_virge | musca: ? |
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| 14:16.41 | s3_virge | someone can help me to change resolution on vesa mode? |
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| 14:18.06 | s3_virge | I'm using s3 virge graphic card (very old) and it work now in vesa mode, but it give me only 800X600, and i want 1024X768. |
| 14:18.57 | jelly | s3_virge: how much memory does it have? Did you try setting video mode at boot time? |
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| 14:19.16 | s3_virge | jelly: 4mb |
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| 14:19.34 | s3_virge | and I didend try - i dont know how. |
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| 14:19.56 | jelly | s3_virge: that is in theory enough for 1024x768 at 24bit |
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| 14:20.57 | s3_virge | jelly: it's work with 1024x768 with windows 2000 |
| 14:21.35 | s3_virge | jelly: it is very similar to this one. http://www.amazon.com/S3-VIRGE-DX-4MB-8400-00-00/dp/B00B87B8OQ |
| 14:21.47 | bourne | mtn ok example I have good package or repository my driver on the pulpit how I can install this in terminal? which command: sudo,yum? |
| 14:22.06 | jelly | s3_virge: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt try booting with vga=0x317 (1024x768 16bpp) |
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| 14:23.21 | s3_virge | jelly: what do you mean by "booting" |
| 14:23.22 | jelly | s3_virge: this hardware is almost 20 years old, so feature degradation is in effect |
| 14:23.59 | jelly | s3_virge: each boot loader (like grub or lilo) has a way to give kernel additional boot parameters |
| 14:24.03 | s3_virge | i have also apple IIe |
| 14:24.21 | jelly | but you don't expect to run modern software on it |
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| 14:25.27 | s3_virge | i need it for feh.. not something crazy.. |
| 14:25.43 | s3_virge | I'm in grub 2.02 |
| 14:25.50 | s3_virge | what to do here? |
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| 14:26.04 | s3_virge | i've press "e" and it give me some option |
| 14:26.11 | s3_virge | options* |
| 14:26.14 | s3_virge | jelly: ^ |
| 14:26.26 | jelly | s3_virge: what kinds of options do you see? |
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| 14:26.59 | nase7 | again my ARM-NAS-box: I installed a (supposedly) new kernel, "linux-image-armmp-lpae", from the repo. the box boots up, but "uname -r" says the same "3.2.26" as before? shouldn't the new kernel be booted automatically? |
| 14:27.02 | s3_virge | a-lot! |
| 14:27.25 | s3_virge | set root-mduuid.... |
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| 14:27.41 | jelly | put them all into a pastebin site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 14:28.24 | jelly | s3_virge: there ought to be a line starting with "kernel" or "linux". you can edit and add extra parameters at the end of that line |
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| 14:30.56 | nase7 | weirdly, /boot only contains files with "3.16.0-4-armmp-lpae", which sounds good! still, uname -r says the older version.. where does that old kernel hide, anyway? |
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| 14:31.35 | jelly | nase7: again, that depends on the particular board |
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| 14:32.19 | jelly | nase7: you WILL NOT be able to "just install" a new kernel and boot it |
| 14:32.35 | nase7 | jelly: hmm, the installed Debian environment should know how it boots itself? |
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| 14:33.01 | jeremybubz | lspci lists my card as "Radeon HD 8550G" and glxinfo gives "OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe", but system settings > details says I'm using the vesa "fallback" driver, and my Xorg.log seems to be using VESA as best as I can tell. How should I check to see that I'm using the appropriate drivers? |
| 14:33.15 | jelly | nase7: debian userspace might know absolutely nothing about the boot loader and the kernel |
| 14:33.35 | nase7 | hmm, it was a simple try then, I guess.. nothing can break, as I have an image and can return to stock in minutes.. which I make use of plenty ;-) |
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| 14:34.48 | s3_virge | timeout :( |
| 14:35.19 | nase7 | my real problem is I don't have dm_mod, needed for LUKS encrypted files. Is there a way around this without changing the kernel? like, external workarounds? |
| 14:35.19 | s3_virge | jelly: I try to take a photo of the screen. |
| 14:36.05 | jelly | nase7: there isn't really much debian can help you with -- you need to google whether there's a documented procedure for the exact board you have. Sometimes if the product is popular, there are communities around it with people "modding" the software |
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| 14:37.16 | jelly | s3_virge: you might get something like the screenshots on http://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2012/howto-change-runlevel-on-grub2/ |
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| 14:37.32 | nase7 | jelly: I found two references to recompile the kernel. But I can't even update the current packages, nor install gcc stuff on the board without breaking packages.. |
| 14:38.24 | s3_virge | jelly: I've take a pics. now i need to upload them.. |
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| 14:38.35 | jelly | nase7: on an unknown board with root access, I wouldn't touch _anything_ on the current OS, but debootstrap a separate clean debian chroot |
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| 14:39.07 | jelly | s3_virge: you might be seeing something like screenshots on http://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2012/howto-change-runlevel-on-grub2/ |
| 14:39.50 | jelly | s3_virge: boot parameters are to be appended at the end of the "linux ..." line, like there |
| 14:40.08 | s3_virge | it is green. |
| 14:40.20 | s3_virge | and look much diffrance. |
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| 14:44.38 | s3_virge | jelly: http://i.imgur.com/HUc9R6R.jpg |
| 14:44.54 | s3_virge | jelly: http://i.imgur.com/jrpA9tK.png |
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| 14:45.45 | jelly | s3_virge: scroll down, there's more |
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| 14:46.25 | jelly | s3_virge: oh, you did. Well it's the same thing, you have a linux ... line with kernel path and some options |
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| 14:47.24 | jelly | s3_virge: so add vga=0x317 after ... ro quiet, boot and hope it makes any difference |
| 14:47.25 | s3_virge | jelly: linux /boot/vmlinuz... |
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| 14:50.56 | s3_virge | jelly: I'm put it after the "ro quiet" |
| 14:51.01 | s3_virge | this is ok? |
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| 14:52.00 | jelly | s3_virge: that's what I just said! |
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| 14:52.27 | s3_virge | and how i save it? |
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| 14:52.48 | jelly | s3_virge: don't save it, just boot it now and see if it works |
| 14:53.11 | jelly | saving will come later when you figure out the exact params you want |
| 14:53.17 | s3_virge | how i exit ftom the edit mode, and boot? |
| 14:53.44 | jelly | s3_virge: it tells you what to press to boot |
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| 14:55.08 | s3_virge | ctrl+x |
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| 14:55.24 | s3_virge | ok it's load the system.. |
| 14:55.37 | s3_virge | jelly: login.. |
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| 14:55.42 | Vasco86 | hello |
| 14:55.56 | s3_virge | look like nothing change. |
| 14:56.04 | jelly | s3_virge: you ought to be able to immediately see if the resolution is different or not |
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| 14:56.07 | s3_virge | still 800X600 |
| 14:56.29 | jelly | s3_virge: what does "xrandr" say in X ? |
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| 14:56.57 | s3_virge | 800x600 |
| 14:57.15 | jelly | s3_virge: pastebin the full output |
| 14:58.30 | s3_virge | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/143560/ |
| 14:58.39 | Vasco86 | up ? |
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| 14:58.54 | jelly | Vasco86: sorry? |
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| 15:00.52 | jelly | s3_virge: hm, try giving it: vga=0x317 video=vesafb |
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| 15:01.16 | jelly | I haven't used vesafb in probably a decade |
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| 15:02.43 | s3_virge | jelly: reboot again... |
| 15:03.19 | s3_virge | jelly: the same :( |
| 15:03.31 | s3_virge | xrander give thesame :( |
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| 15:04.26 | jelly | s3_virge: if you switch to text console, are there "large" 80x25 characters or are there more now? |
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| 15:05.01 | s3_virge | look like before. |
| 15:05.15 | s3_virge | i cant see ang change. |
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| 15:05.33 | s3_virge | even in the alt+ctrl+f1 |
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| 15:07.45 | jelly | s3_virge: when vesafb is active, you ought to have 100x37 characters in 800x600 mode, or 128x48 characters in 1024x768 |
| 15:08.05 | jelly | s3_virge: can you make a screenshot of text mode? |
| 15:08.26 | s3_virge | how?! |
| 15:09.07 | s3_virge | jelly: it is pasible? |
| 15:09.41 | jelly | s3_virge: with a camera, like you did for grub |
| 15:10.00 | s3_virge | sure. |
| 15:10.07 | jelly | just want to see if it's standard text mode or not |
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| 15:11.03 | jelly | judd: kmod s3fb |
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| 15:13.02 | L0aD1nG | I am still not able to update... |
| 15:13.29 | L0aD1nG | any thoughts how I could change this "ftp.roedu.net" mirror? or whatever it is? |
| 15:13.32 | L0aD1nG | cause it is down |
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| 15:14.26 | b1101 | L0aD1nG: what's the problem you're having. I just got into the channel |
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| 15:14.55 | s3-fronwin | jelly: http://i.imgur.com/dVJLg8H.jpg |
| 15:15.17 | utopiah_ | hi #debian , during a Squeeze to Wheezy upgrade, is it safe to apt-get -d after changing the sources.list ? |
| 15:15.38 | utopiah_ | I thought I would download all the updates during the day and only apply the upgrade later on |
| 15:15.52 | s3_virge | jelly: s3-fromwin is me but from other computer. |
| 15:15.54 | jelly | s3-fromwin: looks like 80x25, "what does stty -a |head -n 1" say there? |
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| 15:16.08 | petn-randall | utopiah_: Sure, should be fine. Make sure to read the release notes, and make backups, though. |
| 15:16.08 | jelly | s3_virge: looks like 80x25, "what does stty -a |head -n 1" say there? |
| 15:16.25 | utopiah_ | petn-randall: yes I went through the whole doc few times and I have an entire disk backup |
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| 15:16.30 | jelly | s3_virge: erm, what does "stty -a |head -n 1" say there? |
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| 15:17.08 | utopiah_ | I'm just trying to minimize down time, I have a fiber connection but still, downloads can't be instantaneous |
| 15:17.12 | s3_virge | jelly: speed 38400 baud; rows 25; columns 80; line = 0; |
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| 15:17.23 | jelly | ,v xserver-xorg-video-s3virge |
| 15:17.23 | L0aD1nG | b1101: I am trying to update.. |
| 15:17.24 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-s3virge on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.10.4-2; squeeze-backports: 1:1.10.4-4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.10.4-5 |
| 15:17.35 | L0aD1nG | b1101: but it stacks when it is about to connect on ftp.roedu.net |
| 15:17.48 | L0aD1nG | then I ping ftp.roedu.net and I see that it is actually down... |
| 15:18.02 | jelly | s3_virge: can you try Debian 7 instead? That still has the specific driver for s3virge |
| 15:18.17 | L0aD1nG | there is not a problem with my source.list as I've been using it for long time (2 years++) |
| 15:18.23 | jelly | s3_virge: debian 6 might work better or not, too |
| 15:18.29 | L0aD1nG | and I actually updated succefully yesterday... |
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| 15:18.53 | s3_virge | jelly: it's look like debian 8 also has the driver. |
| 15:20.25 | b1101 | L0aD1nG: that ftp link works for me. You could change it just to test |
| 15:20.28 | s3_virge | jelly: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/xserver-xorg-video-savage |
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| 15:20.46 | L0aD1nG | b1101: works? |
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| 15:21.05 | b1101 | yup |
| 15:21.22 | L0aD1nG | It still doesn't for me... this is weird now. |
| 15:21.28 | b1101 | are you on a vpn ? |
| 15:21.28 | L0aD1nG | how can I change it? |
| 15:21.31 | L0aD1nG | no |
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| 15:21.34 | s3_virge | jelly: and I tried to install this package but it say that it alrady installed. |
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| 15:22.24 | b1101 | L0aD1nG: where are you located? |
| 15:22.31 | L0aD1nG | greece |
| 15:22.49 | jelly | s3_virge: but you don't have a savage |
| 15:22.54 | hikenboot | hi i am getting an error i have never seeen before mounting windows drives in debian. when i click on the volume to browse it, it says Authentication is required to mount WDC. Is there an easy fix? |
| 15:22.56 | b1101 | http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/ does that link work for you ? |
| 15:22.57 | L0aD1nG | I didn't choose this mirror on installation for sure. |
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| 15:23.26 | L0aD1nG | ofc this (or on of this) was the mirror I picked on installation |
| 15:23.30 | jelly | s3_virge: with crappy old hardware, I'd say use a crappy old OS |
| 15:23.49 | s3_virge | This package provides the driver for the S3/VIA Savage/ProSavage/Twister family of chipsets. |
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| 15:24.06 | jelly | s3_virge: doesn't say virge. |
| 15:24.16 | s3_virge | it say S3 |
| 15:24.24 | hikenboot | why would it be asking for the windows password? Or is it looking for something else? |
| 15:24.26 | jelly | s3_virge: but not virge. |
| 15:24.29 | b1101 | L0aD1nG: /etc/apt/sources.list file |
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| 15:24.42 | L0aD1nG | ?? |
| 15:24.45 | b1101 | I believe you can modify it in there. I don't use debian as my main distro |
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| 15:24.56 | s3_virge | s3 and virge is the same. |
| 15:24.58 | utopiah_ | can apt-get option -d also be used for dist-upgrade ? |
| 15:25.00 | L0aD1nG | you can't modify it there... |
| 15:25.21 | s3_virge | now it use vesa, not the the savage driver. |
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| 15:25.36 | jelly | s3_virge: it is not. S3 was a hardware vendor, and they had lots of chips and generations, "virge" was just one of them. |
| 15:25.55 | hikenboot | s3_virge, there is a new system for building proprietary linux drivers in debian testing. I used it to install my video card which is very old and it worked |
| 15:26.20 | jelly | s3_virge: install debian 6 or debian 7, see how the actual driver works. |
| 15:26.27 | hikenboot | next your probably going to ask what its aclaled |
| 15:26.29 | hikenboot | called |
| 15:26.43 | jelly | hikenboot: his driver isn't proprietary, it's just old and unsupported |
| 15:27.10 | s3_virge | ok. |
| 15:27.11 | s3_virge | :( |
| 15:27.14 | jelly | and does not exist in upcoming Debian 8 at all |
| 15:27.20 | s3_virge | so what card are recomended? |
| 15:27.29 | s3_virge | for p4 with pci slot? |
| 15:27.43 | jelly | s3_virge: try debian 6 or 7 first, then we'll see |
| 15:28.01 | jelly | s3_virge: does your machine not have an AGP slot at all? |
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| 15:28.23 | s3_virge | i have pci express and pci |
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| 15:28.53 | s3_virge | something small black, and some pci white, and one long black. |
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| 15:30.22 | s3_virge | one sec - photo :) |
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| 15:31.36 | jelly | s3_virge: should I dare ask why you tried to use a graphic card that's two generations behind your computer? |
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| 15:32.08 | hikenboot | http://smxi.org/site/install.htm#sgfxi https://wiki.debian.org/ru/sgfxi not sure it applies to your video card but its worth a try |
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| 15:32.37 | L0aD1nG | fixed it, it was the start of the domain that was causing the mess. |
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| 15:32.40 | s3_virge | jelly: picture frame |
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| 15:34.14 | jelly | s3_virge: try getting your hands on a radeon 9200 or something similar that at least has working 2D drivers |
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| 15:34.34 | s3_virge | radeon?? with linux?! |
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| 15:35.59 | jaggz | after updating to Jessie, I'm getting what seems to be timing issues in mounting paths pointing to my md drive, from my SSD root |
| 15:36.15 | s3-fromwin | jelly: this is the card: http://i.imgur.com/7RwxCs9.jpg |
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| 15:37.10 | jaggz | ex: I have an fstab line: /var/log /mdmnt/var/log none defaults,bind 0 0 |
| 15:37.18 | jelly | s3-fromwin: specs for your motherboard model will say whether it has an AGP or a PCIe slot for graphic cards |
| 15:37.29 | jaggz | system won't boot btw.. drops me to a shell |
| 15:37.43 | Walex | jaggz: thanks for testing the 'testing' archive. 8/Jessie is not released yet. You can better discuss issues with the 'testing' archive in the chanell #Debian-next on IRC.Debian.org |
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| 15:37.51 | s3-fromwin | jelly: this is the mother board slots http://i.imgur.com/wFmI1bJ.jpg |
| 15:38.16 | jaggz | before that line I have /dev/md0 /d ext4 defaults 0 2 |
| 15:38.27 | Vroomfondel | s3-fromwin: very old computer? |
| 15:38.40 | s3-fromwin | dell 8400 |
| 15:38.45 | s3-fromwin | Vroomfondel: ^ |
| 15:38.47 | jelly | s3-fromwin: I'm clueless about hardware. Figure out the brand and model and google the specs. |
| 15:38.59 | jaggz | walex.. I'm ircing from phone :/ |
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| 15:39.31 | jaggz | is irc debian = freenode? |
| 15:39.40 | Vroomfondel | s3-fromwin: looks like AGP to me, but check the manual if you have one |
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| 15:39.54 | sadsagfjg | Hi All,I want to creat alias to run cpp file and show output how? |
| 15:39.55 | jelly | jaggz: no, irc.debian.org is irc.oftc.net |
| 15:39.58 | sadsagfjg | for example g++ -o a a.cpp |
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| 15:40.38 | jaggz | k.. ill go there but ice had these mount priority issues even in wheezy |
| 15:40.45 | jaggz | I've |
| 15:40.48 | Vroomfondel | s3-fromwin: ah wait, ftp://ftp.dell.com/Manuals/all-products/esuprt_desktop/esuprt_dimension_desktops/dimension-8400_Owner%27s%20Manual_en-us.pdf says it is PCIe |
| 15:40.52 | jelly | s3-fromwin, Vroomfondel: google image search says it's PCIe http://www.qcomp.sk/uploads/gk_1.jpg ? |
| 15:41.02 | jelly | again, clueless |
| 15:41.26 | jaggz | I don't know how, but one boot would experience it, and an immediate reboot would work.. and visa(e?) versa |
| 15:41.29 | s3-fromwin | yes it is pci -e |
| 15:41.43 | sadsagfjg | Hi All,I want to creat alias to run cpp file and show output how? |
| 15:41.44 | sadsagfjg | for example g++ -o a a.cpp |
| 15:41.57 | sadsagfjg | *alias commnd |
| 15:41.57 | jelly | s3-fromwin: so get an old PCIe card, it will probably work better |
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| 15:42.34 | s3-fromwin | jelly: "get" mean to me go to ebay and orther something.. |
| 15:42.47 | s3-fromwin | i dont know what to orther. |
| 15:43.32 | jaggz | brb |
| 15:43.32 | sadsagfjg | Is this chnnale asleep?please answer? |
| 15:43.42 | hikenboot | thanks figured out my problem |
| 15:44.45 | jelly | sadsagfjg: be patient. If noone answers, perhaps they didn't understand or they don't have required expertise. Try rephrasing the question. |
| 15:44.46 | jelly | !ask |
| 15:44.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:44.58 | jaggz | re |
| 15:45.04 | sadsagfjg | ok |
| 15:45.11 | s3-fromwin | do you think i can find somting at goodwill? |
| 15:45.29 | jelly | s3-fromwin: if they carry old hardware, it's quite possible. |
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| 15:46.36 | s3-fromwin | i have some AGP. |
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| 15:46.52 | jelly | you can't plug that into this mainboard |
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| 15:47.39 | mysupper | hello |
| 15:47.46 | s3-fromwin | and 2 other old computers.. but my boyfriend not going to like the idea that i want to take it. |
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| 16:04.46 | s3-fromwin | jelly: I found now another card!! |
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| 16:05.18 | s3-fromwin | jelly: ProVidia9685 |
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| 16:07.36 | jelly | s3-fromwin: find a PCIe one, that trident is PCI and as old as your s3 |
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| 16:07.49 | jelly | s3-fromwin: did you try debian 6 or 7? |
| 16:08.32 | s3-fromwin | i want to be able to use the latest version of debian. |
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| 16:08.43 | jelly | s3-fromwin: why? |
| 16:08.59 | jelly | s3-fromwin: you said you just wanted a picture frame |
| 16:09.09 | s3-fromwin | i will bi able to install stuff on it? |
| 16:09.23 | s3-fromwin | with samba, and raid |
| 16:09.32 | jelly | s3-fromwin: you'll be able to install old stuff on it. both debian 6 and 7 are still supported. |
| 16:09.48 | jelly | 8 is not even released yet |
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| 16:11.02 | s3-fromwin | i've put now the the trident , the grub work, but after it i get black screen! |
| 16:11.05 | s3-fromwin | why?? |
| 16:11.14 | jelly | (well, technically, debian 6 only has limited support, but if you're using hardware components from 1998 you'll have to compromise to get things running) |
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| 16:11.33 | jelly | s3-fromwin: because it's crap? |
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| 16:11.50 | s3-fromwin | :( |
| 16:12.05 | s3-fromwin | i'm goinng to see if i have others.. |
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| 16:12.40 | jelly | s3-fromwin: I will not provide further help until you try Debian 6 or Debian 7, or get a PCIexpress card |
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| 16:13.00 | s3-fromwin | SATA controller! |
| 16:13.33 | s3-fromwin | i have othe computer with internal graphic card, but with out SATA |
| 16:13.51 | s3-fromwin | do you think it will work with debian 8? |
| 16:14.44 | s3-fromwin | jelly: have othe computer with internal graphic card, but with out SATA |
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| 16:14.46 | s3-fromwin | do you think it will work with debian 8? |
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| 16:14.54 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 16:22.19 | NChief | how can a process show more memory usage in ps (RSS) than the amount of RAM I got, and free -m shows I still have some free. |
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| 16:24.27 | JyZyXEL | how do you see in what category a debian pacakge is in? |
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| 16:26.03 | s3-fromwin | the debian 8 support the dell 2400? |
| 16:26.43 | s3-fromwin | jelly: ^ |
| 16:26.57 | polyphagia | awesome news |
| 16:27.07 | polyphagia | new raspberry pi came out with quad core armv7 |
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| 16:27.15 | polyphagia | debian should run on it now |
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| 16:27.54 | JyZyXEL | https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=geany how do i compare it against other IDE's? |
| 16:28.09 | JyZyXEL | there is no category for IDE's on this page: http://popcon.debian.org/main/index.html |
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| 16:44.15 | pipl | JyZyXEL: I suggest you do a favor for yourself, download and install all kinds of text editor in debian offline. Then turn off internet connection, taste each one for yourself. |
| 16:44.53 | JyZyXEL | sublime text is the one they keep raving on about |
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| 16:46.52 | spiekey | Hello Folks |
| 16:47.12 | spiekey | is https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using broken? The sources list gives me 302 |
| 16:47.17 | spiekey | W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/squeeze/dists/main/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages 302 Found [IP: 46.4.205.44 80] |
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| 16:49.09 | pipl | JyZyXEL: even when a text editor provides all the meal for you, you should not abuse it. The same goes for sublime. Same for emacs. Don't do what it is not designed for, even when invited. |
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| 16:58.26 | brontosaurusrex | JyZyXEL: geany is cool |
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| 17:01.09 | JyZyXEL | brontosaurusrex: if only it came in black :p |
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| 17:05.24 | hikenboot | hi can anyone tell me if there is a safe way to run a chkdsk on windows volumes from linux? |
| 17:05.44 | SrvK | which video editor would someone recommend? |
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| 17:05.51 | SrvK | for editing screencasts |
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| 17:09.36 | hikenboot | never mind found it ntfsfix |
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| 17:12.34 | smithd | hi |
| 17:12.37 | smithd | <3 Debian! |
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| 17:20.53 | fif0 | hi. I've tried to stop my array resync for a hdd swap with checkarray -x --all. Now my mdadm array is not responding, e.g. the command mdadm --detail /dev/md0 shows nothing |
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| 17:21.28 | frostschutz | fif0, /proc/mdstat? dmesg? |
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| 17:23.37 | fif0 | frostschutz: cat /proc/mdstat no answer; dmesg shows: md: ioctl lock interrupted, reason -4, cmd -2142762735 |
| 17:24.43 | fif0 | frostschutz: I can access and work on the mounted array |
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| 17:27.58 | frostschutz | fif0, if you have hanging instances of mdadm, can you kill them? stopping a resync should be something like 'echo idle > /sys/block/md0/md/sync_action' |
| 17:28.21 | frostschutz | fif0, otherwise it sounds like a locking issue of the kernel to me... you might have to stop the array temporarily or even reboot |
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| 17:38.24 | fif0 | frotzschutz: even a reboot is not working |
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| 17:40.32 | frostschutz | fif0, it does not reboot, or it hangs again after the reboot? |
| 17:40.52 | fif0 | frostschutz: I rebooted and I've the same problems now |
| 17:41.01 | frostschutz | fif0, which kernel version? |
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| 17:41.29 | fif0 | Debian 3.2.41-2+deb7u2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:41.37 | fif0 | frostschutz: Debian 3.2.41-2+deb7u2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:45.47 | frostschutz | fif0, does mdadm --examine /dev/sdxy work? |
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| 17:46.21 | fif0 | frostschutz: Yes |
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| 17:48.00 | s3-fromwin | hi |
| 17:48.11 | frostschutz | fif0, pastebin the output? you could try a newer kernel, or systemrescuecd |
| 17:48.15 | s3-fromwin | now i'm on normal computer/ |
| 17:48.31 | s3-fromwin | it's look like the resulotion is ok |
| 17:48.39 | fif0 | frostschutz: I'm trying to reassamble my array |
| 17:49.01 | s3-fromwin | but i've get a black screen after 2 seccends and only the mouse workining |
| 17:49.08 | s3-fromwin | what to do?? |
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| 17:49.25 | lukas_ | hello |
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| 17:49.50 | fif0 | frostschutz: All 6 drives are still in an active array |
| 17:49.54 | Guest115 | I have problem with my connection on my PC |
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| 17:50.40 | Komanda | i have a remote server that runs debian that i want to run ESXi 5.5 on, how do i accomplish that? |
| 17:50.47 | Guest115 | searching solution on the many webside and I am confuse |
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| 17:51.14 | Guest115 | my machine is laptop lenovo t61 |
| 17:52.10 | Guest115 | have problem with drivers |
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| 17:52.46 | Guest115 | but in the CentOs no problem |
| 17:52.59 | dondelelcaro | Guest115: are you using wifi or a wired connection? Do you have the firmware-iwlwifi package installed? |
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| 17:53.32 | s3-fromwin | I get a black screen after 2 seccends and only the mouse workining |
| 17:53.33 | s3-fromwin | http://i.imgur.com/UvpxBMp.png |
| 17:53.41 | s3-fromwin | some one can help me? |
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| 17:53.57 | nase7 | I'm running wheezy x64 here. Can I chroot into a Jessie ARM folder? It says "/bin/bash" not found, but it is in fact in the chroot folder.. maybe because it's a different architecture (?) or release? |
| 17:54.00 | Guest115 | dondelelcaro I use wifi on the air wifi but no problem use with cable and some adapter with wifi connection |
| 17:54.54 | Guest115 | I download package correct but no idea how it install |
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| 17:56.57 | Guest115 | <dondelecaro> maybe some solution |
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| 17:59.00 | Guest115 | pkrzywicki maybe you can help me? |
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| 18:01.47 | varunendra | Guest115, what kind of problem do you have with wifi? |
| 18:01.58 | Guest115 | no drivers |
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| 18:02.38 | Guest115 | varunendra no drivers |
| 18:02.49 | nase7 | guest115 what file did you download? |
| 18:02.56 | fif0 | frostschutz: All my drives are working and are still in my array. The assembling failed, because my devices are buys |
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| 18:03.31 | varunendra | Guest115, most wifi drivers are already included in the kernel. Are you sure you need to install one? |
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| 18:03.55 | nase7 | guest115 I guess you simply need to install it with "dpkg -i filename.deb"? |
| 18:04.19 | Guest115 | iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode-228.61.2.24 this file I have non-free package |
| 18:04.38 | nase7 | guest115 or, better, activate non-free software in your sources and install the driver with regular packetmanagement? |
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| 18:06.10 | Guest115 | <nase7> but without internet connection I can download package from https://packages.debian.org/pl/wheezy/firmware-iwlwifi on the usb and then what next? |
| 18:06.24 | varunendra | Guest115, I don't have any experience with debian, but could you please show us the output of : 'lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 net' ? This may give us a clearer picture of what we are dealing with. |
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| 18:07.26 | Guest115 | <varunendra> no because I clear partition and this is empty |
| 18:08.07 | varunendra | Guest115, so you currently don't have debian (or any linux OS) installed or running in live mode? |
| 18:08.56 | Guest115 | <varunendra> I can choose CentOS or Debian in the CentOs my wifi is ok but Debian is more friendly to configuration for me |
| 18:09.15 | nase7 | guest115: how about internet via network cable? |
| 18:09.21 | Guest115 | <varunendra> I can try live mode |
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| 18:10.49 | varunendra | Guest115, the command I proposed will show us the exact model no. of the wifi card and the driver loaded for it. Then we'd want to take a look at 'dmesg' to determine whether you need to install anything or not. |
| 18:11.07 | Guest115 | <nase7> when I connected with adapter cable and write ip side to configuration then I don;t see that |
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| 18:11.44 | nase7 | guest115 but are you online? |
| 18:12.24 | Guest115 | Intel Wireless 4965 firmware, version 228.61.2.24 (iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode) <nase7> I have two hard disk in my laptop one pocket to the hard disk another to the cd-rom |
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| 18:12.48 | Guest115 | <nase7> I try life mode debian |
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| 18:13.33 | kmyst | hey anybody know if it's possible to display a remote user's ip address in /etc/issue.net ?? |
| 18:13.48 | varunendra | Guest115, If it is indeed Intel 4965 card, I think the firmware (and of course the driver too) should already be available in the kernel. This particular card can be a bit tricky sometimes though. |
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| 18:14.37 | mtn | Guest115: you can use these images which come with the firmware: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
| 18:15.05 | nase7 | mtn: oh, didn't know that! :-) |
| 18:15.19 | mtn | nase7: a nice option |
| 18:15.39 | varunendra | Guest115, what are you currently running on the target machine? The firmware file should be located in '/lib/firmware' directory by the way, where the driver will automatically pick it from. |
| 18:15.41 | nase7 | ..especially when you don't have drivers for networking yet ;-) |
| 18:16.19 | mtn | varunendra: the debian installer does not come with intel firmware, unless you get the image I just linked |
| 18:16.32 | Guest115 | <varunendra> it ask me about this driver maybe I need download full iso with all package |
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| 18:17.35 | varunendra | mtn, Guest115 I don't have experience with debian, so didn't know we need to install the firmware separately here. Thanks for the info. |
| 18:18.08 | nase7 | guest115: why not try to extract the firmwares/drivers from the file you downloaded and put them in /lib/firmware? I'm guessing here though |
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| 18:18.50 | Guest115 | <mtn> when I don't have connection when I installed debian then I can't download firmware, more experience when I download package on the usb but how it install |
| 18:19.24 | varunendra | Guest115, If you have the 'iwl4965' driver in the system, all you need to get the firmware file from anywhere (just about a few KB) and copy it to your /lib/firmware directory. |
| 18:19.39 | Guest115 | <nase7> I try copy to the folder firmware and don't see that |
| 18:19.51 | varunendra | ohcibi, nase7 already told that :) Perfect guess. |
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| 18:20.15 | Guest115 | <varunendra> I copy this when I have system installed |
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| 18:20.50 | Guest115 | <varurendra> oh sorry it doesn't want copy to this folder |
| 18:20.55 | varunendra | Guest115, you can also simply copy it to the said directory in live mode, then reload the driver (modprobe -r,.... then modprobe...) |
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| 18:21.48 | nase7 | New problem here: I'm running wheezy x64 here. Can I chroot into a Jessie ARM folder? It says "/bin/bash" not found, but it is in fact in the chroot folder.. maybe because it's a different architecture (?) or release? I have a proper debootstrap environment, and qemu-user-static for ARM installed. |
| 18:22.20 | valdyn | nase7: of course you cant chroot into an arm folder |
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| 18:22.24 | Guest115 | <varunendra> I reading all solutions in the wiki debian and all page I think so my head or brain must rest |
| 18:22.38 | varunendra | Guest115, do you already have the "iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode" file now? |
| 18:22.42 | Guest115 | <varunendra> all day fight with this |
| 18:23.01 | Guest115 | varunendra yes on my usb stick |
| 18:23.10 | mtn | Guest115: using the image with the firmware makes it really easy |
| 18:23.20 | Guest115 | and on this usb stick I have debian iso |
| 18:23.30 | Guest115 | wait I take restart live mode |
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| 18:23.43 | varunendra | Guest115, if you have the file, then getting the wifi up should be a matter of 3 commands, one by one. |
| 18:24.11 | Guest115 | ok go on |
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| 18:24.12 | nase7 | valdyn: why not, the other kids are doing the same? ;-) No seriously, I downloaded the complete package from a vendor (for a WD ARM NAS), installed the quemu thing for cross-architecture, and run a provided script which is supposed to do exactly that.. let me chroot into an ARM environment and compile stuff there for the ARM box.. |
| 18:24.35 | valdyn | nase7: qemu and chroot are entirely different things |
| 18:24.38 | Guest115 | modprobe -r iwlwifi |
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| 18:24.54 | valdyn | nase7: they dont stack, or whatever you are imagining about that |
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| 18:25.10 | varunendra | Guest115, assuming you have copied the firmware file onto your Desktop, the commands would be : 1) sudo cp Desktop/iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode /lib/firmware |
| 18:25.26 | varunendra | 2) sudo modprobe -r iwl4965 |
| 18:25.39 | varunendra | 3) sudo modprobe iwl4965 |
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| 18:26.38 | nase7 | valdyn: the step-by-step page states "Qemu is an environment needed to emulate an actual ARM system on another platform, like the AMD64 platform our build system consists of." |
| 18:26.54 | valdyn | nase7: right |
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| 18:27.48 | valdyn | nase7: qemu lets you run a virtual arm / amd64 / whatever machine |
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| 18:29.21 | valdyn | nase7: i think you are either calling chroot what is not chroot or you are supposed to chroot into the cross-build environment - that is totally not an arm system, thats just another amd64 system |
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| 18:30.25 | nase7 | valdyn: I'd say the latter. The script creates a new environment, and works only on Debian host systems too |
| 18:31.02 | valdyn | nase7: run "file" on that bash |
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| 18:33.08 | nase7 | valdyn: I'm still on the "host", as chroot'ing doesn't work.. I just tried to run the provided /bin/bash manually, it complains with "/lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3: No such file or directory". That file does exist in the chroot folder. I don't exactly know what that error message tells me about the provided bash though? |
| 18:33.37 | valdyn | nase7: why dont you run "file" on that bash |
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| 18:34.34 | nase7 | valdyn: Oh, now I get it! "ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, BuildID[sha1]=0x8ae280ad99d17fa5a488e5cb5bf7843d041105a9, stripped" |
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| 18:34.47 | nurupo | hey, i'm wiring a systemd service file for my daemon. it does a chown call inside and i'm having an issue with it. my script was tested on Debian only, so i have used /bin/chown, but an ArchLinux user claims that he has mkdir in /bin/usr/chown. is there a way to make it work on both distros? |
| 18:34.59 | valdyn | nase7: so that (and the error above) told you that this is arm binaries |
| 18:35.16 | nurupo | *that he has chown |
| 18:35.17 | valdyn | nase7: you cant run that without qemu |
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| 18:35.59 | valdyn | nase7: now you should read the documentation about qemu or follow the vendor instructions of that build system |
| 18:37.00 | valdyn | nurupo: just "chown" and it will be found if $PATH is set correctly |
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| 18:37.29 | nurupo | valdyn: does systemd has PATH variable set correctly when executing .service scripts? |
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| 18:37.43 | nurupo | i though it required absolute paths |
| 18:37.46 | nurupo | *thought |
| 18:37.56 | nase7 | valdyn: Aha! I found a part in the setup script which is supposed to install qemu into the chroot-environment. Seems like that never happened! |
| 18:38.33 | guest_____ | I must download all 3 dvd iso or one from this side the cd dvd is not the same? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
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| 18:39.15 | valdyn | nurupo: it seems to me that the whole service may be not setup the way a service should be setup. Still - $PATH is set if you run the $SHELL |
| 18:39.18 | guest_____ | which one is full package |
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| 18:39.41 | valdyn | nurupo: no one sais you need to call chown directly from the .service file |
| 18:39.54 | mtn | guest_____: disk one has the installer on it |
| 18:40.41 | guest_____ | <mtn> only one? number I see another number and update |
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| 18:41.21 | mtn | guest_____: one has the installer and base system, the other disks have lots of extra software. debian won't fit on one disk |
| 18:42.32 | varunendra | guest_____, it is a good idea to just install the base system, get it online, then install ONLY what you need directly from the online repositories. |
| 18:42.32 | guest_____ | <mtn> ok thank you for information |
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| 18:44.51 | guest_____ | <varunendra> yes this is good idea because then we installed what we want and the system is more fast |
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| 18:45.38 | varunendra | plus, the packages would be already up-to-date.. guest_____ :) |
| 18:45.44 | guest_____ | <varurendra> I want use my debian to the p2p,ftp and building create webside www and take to the wan |
| 18:47.17 | guest_____ | <varunendra> something like small server |
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| 18:48.35 | guest_____ | <varurendra> this is possible I think so |
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| 18:49.00 | guest_____ | <varurendra> this is good debian have many tutorials |
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| 18:50.36 | nase7 | valdyn: Success, for now! For some reason the setup script didn't run into a case, and didn't link the qemu thing into the chroot folder! Did it by hand, the script chroots now! Thank you a lot! :-) |
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| 19:10.50 | hikenboot | hi kde works after an update gnome does not says it encountered a critical error on a brown screen and goes back to kdm but hangs no further login box. Cant find any errors in any logs dmesg Xorg.conf bootlog nothing I can find anyone know what might be the problem or how to track it down |
| 19:11.15 | hikenboot | using radeon drivers or at least i was before the updates |
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| 19:12.36 | tremon | hikenboot: if gnome still pretends to be a good unix citizen, you should see some logging in ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 19:16.04 | copto | can anyone point me in the Direction on instruction on how to install Google music client, keeps telling me i need libc6-lib but its not in the Repo. |
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| 19:18.21 | hikenboot | thanks tremon |
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| 19:19.56 | nase7 | yay! I successfully cross-compiled my first package! :-) Any hints on how I cross-compile a kernel-module? I need dm_mod, and supposedly it's possible to have external modules? |
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| 19:23.57 | nase7 | my setup with "build script" tries to load the source from the repos.. obviously it won't find kernel-module-sources there and exits. I read about "kbuild", which can compile external modules. Is that in any way compatible with the setup for cross-compiling which I now have? |
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| 19:26.32 | optrusty | Is there a way I can emulate a terminal in vnc |
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| 19:29.03 | nase7 | optrusty: what do you mean with "emulate"? why not just open a terminal? |
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| 19:29.24 | optrusty | nase7 Because its running on a vps |
| 19:29.50 | nase7 | what do you see when connecting to vnc? |
| 19:30.25 | optrusty | nase Grey screen |
| 19:30.34 | optrusty | nase7 ^ |
| 19:30.37 | valdyn | optrusty: you could run xterm |
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| 19:31.11 | optrusty | valdyn And what is xterm |
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| 19:31.20 | valdyn | optrusty: a terminal emulator |
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| 19:31.36 | optrusty | valdyn Do I apt-get it |
| 19:31.43 | adm001mi | hey all |
| 19:31.50 | valdyn | optrusty: if its not installed already |
| 19:31.57 | optrusty | valdyn or is it installed I have heard of it on Ubuntu |
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| 19:39.31 | tremon | copto: libc6-lib has never existed as a package name. If you have package that depends on that, it has never worked on Debian. You'd have to ask where you got it from |
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| 19:49.59 | aeg | what did change in in the kernel for the set UID between 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 and 3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64 ? i had a home maked sudo but that doesn't work anymore |
| 19:50.43 | jelly | aeg: you went backwards from 3.16 to 3.12? |
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| 19:51.49 | aeg | jelly: no the other way around, my older system show 3.12 |
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| 19:52.34 | jelly | and you had a local build of the sudo binary? |
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| 19:53.48 | aeg | No i had a very old suid util that predates sudo, but could still compile and use till 3.12 |
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| 19:55.41 | jelly | compile? |
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| 19:56.19 | jelly | aeg: how does it fail now? |
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| 19:58.02 | aeg | jelly: it doesn't elevate the user to root any more; so 'priv su -' still asks for the pwd |
| 19:58.59 | aeg | jelly: but can i find a overview of kernel changes ? |
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| 20:02.08 | jelly | aeg: well, you can look at the upstream changelog but that's huge |
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| 20:07.58 | aeg | jelly: thx for the warning :-) |
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| 20:12.21 | nase7 | When crosscompiling locally, and it complains about missing dependencies, is it sufficient to simply compile the dependent one first? Or do I need to "install" it into my chroot environment? |
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| 20:14.19 | aeg | nase7: missing dependencies like what? i think you will need the source or the headers |
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| 20:15.12 | smithd | hi |
| 20:15.25 | nase7 | aeg: for example, I try to compile "make" for ARM with a working "toolchain" or what its called. It complains it depends on build-essential. |
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| 20:17.57 | aeg | nase7: that is in the makefile no compile yet; you will need to install build-essential in your chroot env; not sure if that is for the host env or the ARM env |
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| 20:29.19 | nase7 | thank you, aeg. I'll try that. much faster than compiling too :-) |
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| 20:33.13 | eb0t | what can i use to capture screen video on debian |
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| 20:33.49 | eb0t | cheese just captures webcam |
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| 20:37.01 | eb0t | hey kazam is not in debian repository |
| 20:37.06 | eb0t | what is going on |
| 20:37.13 | eb0t | its meant to be a screen recorder |
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| 20:38.14 | mtn | ,v kazam |
| 20:38.15 | judd | Package: kazam on i386 -- jessie: 1.4.5-1; sid: 1.4.5-1 |
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| 20:40.56 | eb0t | ah thanks judd |
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| 20:41.31 | aeg | eb0t: maybe vokoscreen will help |
| 20:41.47 | eb0t | ah ill look into it ..thanks aeg |
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| 20:42.36 | nase7 | I try to compile ARM-bins on my regular x86 host. Chrooted into the environment to compile, supposedly ARM. I don't understand "Unmet build dependencies: build-essential:native" in this context. I already installed build-essential in the chrooted environment. Do I need to explicitely tell it to install the ARM version, as "native"? would that mean "build-essential:armel"? |
| 20:44.01 | nase7 | "build-essential:armel" not found.. |
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| 20:47.16 | nase7 | (ah, I need :armhf, and it does install that by itself) |
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| 20:52.58 | blast_hardcheese | Any font wizards know how to get `font-weight: 400` rendering in iceweasel/chromium/google-chrome-stable? |
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| 20:54.19 | blast_hardcheese | My company is using Helvetica Neue, I tried both without and with ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 20:54.41 | nase7 | Now I'm confused. I installed build-essential, but still get a "Unmet build dependencies: build-essential:native". How do I solve this, if not with "apt-get install build-essential"? |
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| 20:57.58 | moss | hi, is it possible to get a debian live cd? |
| 20:58.29 | mtn | moss: yes |
| 20:58.42 | moss | do you have a link |
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| 20:58.50 | mtn | moss: google does |
| 20:58.50 | moss | i need a live cd for jessie |
| 20:59.06 | mtn | moss: probably not for jessie, but you will have to check |
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| 20:59.09 | EvilPerson666 | jessies nautilis sux |
| 20:59.17 | moss | :( |
| 20:59.19 | EvilPerson666 | im in jessie too |
| 20:59.23 | EvilPerson666 | its horible |
| 20:59.30 | mtn | moss: jessie is not out yet, so.... |
| 20:59.31 | EvilPerson666 | also vbox is not working |
| 20:59.39 | EvilPerson666 | i have to use jessue |
| 20:59.40 | mtn | EvilPerson666: yes it is, I use it |
| 20:59.41 | EvilPerson666 | im on mac |
| 20:59.52 | EvilPerson666 | how com my no work? |
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| 21:00.15 | mtn | EvilPerson666: how does it "not work"? |
| 21:00.16 | EvilPerson666 | i apt-geted it |
| 21:00.31 | EvilPerson666 | its not showing up icons |
| 21:00.41 | EvilPerson666 | its not showing up in terminal |
| 21:00.44 | mtn | EvilPerson666: icons? |
| 21:00.50 | EvilPerson666 | ya start menu |
| 21:01.00 | moss | mtn: ah i found it, live.debian.org |
| 21:01.02 | EvilPerson666 | i rly need it |
| 21:01.23 | mtn | EvilPerson666: does the package manager show it as installed? |
| 21:01.27 | EvilPerson666 | yes |
| 21:01.31 | mtn | moss: good |
| 21:01.33 | EvilPerson666 | it installed no problem |
| 21:01.41 | EvilPerson666 | but i dont see its bin |
| 21:01.42 | mtn | moss: is there a jessie version? |
| 21:01.51 | mtn | EvilPerson666: does the package manager show it as installed? |
| 21:01.58 | EvilPerson666 | i rly dunt kno about jessie |
| 21:02.03 | mtn | EvilPerson666: you can see the installed files by using the package manager or dpkg, as well |
| 21:02.07 | EvilPerson666 | they are ruining debian |
| 21:02.12 | EvilPerson666 | we must stop them |
| 21:02.17 | mtn | EvilPerson666: thhhppp |
| 21:02.27 | EvilPerson666 | yes |
| 21:02.30 | moss | mtn: no but i just need something close :D |
| 21:02.31 | EvilPerson666 | i see it |
| 21:02.48 | moss | mtn: i am using dump/restore to clone pcs |
| 21:02.51 | EvilPerson666 | ii virtualbox 4.3.18-dfsg-2 amd64 x86 virtualization solution - base binaries |
| 21:02.56 | moss | mtn: so this is easiest. |
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| 21:03.26 | moss | ok bbl |
| 21:04.32 | EvilPerson666 | y did they ruin nautilus |
| 21:04.38 | EvilPerson666 | the tabs r square |
| 21:04.41 | EvilPerson666 | wtf |
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| 21:05.14 | newbsduser | hello, guys i have a pc on a switched network. (i can take real ip addresses)... i want to take all free ip address on me and i want to serve proxy for each free ip address (for the same subnet) is there an application to do that? |
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| 21:06.51 | EvilPerson666 | gaize |
| 21:06.52 | EvilPerson666 | ! |
| 21:06.55 | EvilPerson666 | not to panic |
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| 21:07.05 | EvilPerson666 | i apt-get remove virtualbox |
| 21:07.12 | EvilPerson666 | and installed it again |
| 21:07.15 | EvilPerson666 | now it works |
| 21:07.17 | EvilPerson666 | weird |
| 21:07.28 | EvilPerson666 | W-T-F |
| 21:08.01 | nase7 | newbsduser: sounds like you want a dhcp-server which gives out the IPs? |
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| 21:11.50 | Dasiel | Mates please help |
| 21:11.56 | Dasiel | free -m |
| 21:11.57 | Dasiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.57 | Dasiel | Mem: 512 354 157 0 0 354 |
| 21:11.57 | Dasiel | -/+ buffers/cache: 0 512 |
| 21:11.57 | Dasiel | Swap: 512 0 512 |
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| 21:12.02 | mtn | heh |
| 21:12.06 | Dasiel | How can I have -/+ buffers/cache: 0 512 empty ? |
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| 21:12.44 | EvilPerson666 | lol |
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| 21:14.26 | Dasiel | Seriously please what is wrong? Or do I just don't understand how buffers work? |
| 21:14.32 | ryouma | what is a buffer in this context? |
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| 21:14.43 | centrx | !linuxatemyram |
| 21:14.47 | Dasiel | memory buffer |
| 21:14.54 | tremon | Dasiel: is this a vps or docker instance? |
| 21:14.56 | ryouma | Dasiel: part of the kernel then? |
| 21:15.00 | centrx | !free ram |
| 21:15.00 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 21:15.12 | EvilPerson666 | u duno wat is buffer? |
| 21:15.20 | Dasiel | I understand how memory works in linux |
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| 21:15.28 | Dasiel | but as you can see in the free output |
| 21:15.36 | Dasiel | 0 memory is being used by buffers. |
| 21:15.41 | Dasiel | and 512MB is free. |
| 21:15.42 | EvilPerson666 | wtf |
| 21:15.49 | Dasiel | This is openvz instance. |
| 21:15.50 | EvilPerson666 | how i get to my computer |
| 21:15.54 | EvilPerson666 | iin jessie |
| 21:15.57 | EvilPerson666 | htis is so weak |
| 21:16.17 | ryouma | i know what fs cache is, and i know that programs use their own buffers, but i don't know what a linux free(1) buffer is used for |
| 21:16.34 | Dasiel | here is output of memifno. http://privatepaste.com/07027917b3 |
| 21:16.40 | EvilPerson666 | jessie pisses me off |
| 21:16.50 | EvilPerson666 | shud of not used new gnome POS |
| 21:16.55 | nase7 | evil, what is your point? |
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| 21:17.15 | EvilPerson666 | my point is stop ruining |
| 21:17.22 | EvilPerson666 | we dun need ur updates |
| 21:17.26 | EvilPerson666 | everything was file |
| 21:17.27 | EvilPerson666 | fine |
| 21:17.31 | tremon | Dasiel: I don't know the specifics, but openvz shares its kernel with the host. It's possible that the ram you're viewing with is what is allocated to your instance (512MB), and that buffers are managed by the host |
| 21:17.33 | mtn | he's just whining |
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| 21:17.44 | EvilPerson666 | stop screwing up our debian |
| 21:17.51 | EvilPerson666 | go screw with arch |
| 21:17.53 | cdb23axa | hello does someone use the otrs ticket system for apache2? |
| 21:17.54 | EvilPerson666 | and fukoff |
| 21:17.56 | mtn | EvilPerson666: you are free to use something else |
| 21:18.02 | EvilPerson666 | NO |
| 21:18.12 | centrx | EvilPerson666, Calm down |
| 21:18.23 | nase7 | go harass the devs then. this is an irc chan. lol |
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| 21:18.26 | mtn | I'm glad for the ignore button |
| 21:18.27 | blast_hardcheese | http://blast.hardchee.se/~/files/2015-02-02/font-weight.html renders as http://blast.hardchee.se/~/files/2015-02-02/font-weight.png , could anyone please tell me why? |
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| 21:18.42 | Dasiel | I guess I go ask to openvz room, then |
| 21:19.06 | centrx | Dasiel, They would probably know better about this kind of thing |
| 21:19.21 | Dasiel | it was working propely tho |
| 21:19.28 | Dasiel | till few days ago |
| 21:19.42 | centrx | Did anything happen at that time? updates? sun spots? |
| 21:19.43 | Dasiel | and I've never seen such behavior |
| 21:19.57 | Dasiel | The container got suspended and migrated to new node. |
| 21:20.04 | blast_hardcheese | Do I need different fonts? Is this kind of rendering unsupported in chromium/iceweasel? |
| 21:20.09 | Dasiel | But the configuration of the new node is identical to the old one. |
| 21:20.23 | blast_hardcheese | (I've tried in both of those, and google-chrome-stable, no dice in any of them) |
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| 21:22.06 | frostschutz | blast_hardcheese, seems to be the font. I've tried a few, so far I get the best results with Source Code Pro |
| 21:22.15 | EvilPerson666 | so wtf hapen to nautilus |
| 21:22.28 | EvilPerson666 | y is it all tarded now |
| 21:22.36 | hassoon_wins | §nautilus |
| 21:22.39 | hassoon_wins | !nautilus |
| 21:22.39 | dpkg | Nautilus is the official file manager for the <GNOME> desktop. If the 'paper' icon is shown for all file types, install the gnome-icon-theme package to resolve. FAQ: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Nautilus/FAQ . User Guide: http://library.gnome.org/users/user-guide/stable/nautilus.html . https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Nautilus #nautilus at irc.gnome.org. |
| 21:22.46 | hassoon_wins | oh :-O |
| 21:22.48 | blast_hardcheese | frostschutz: Unfortunately, as I'm trying to use Debian at work, I have no control over the font choice |
| 21:23.39 | EvilPerson666 | chit is weak son |
| 21:23.54 | frostschutz | blast_hardcheese, you can use web fonts with html, given an internet connection |
| 21:24.59 | blast_hardcheese | frostschutz: Is that a solution that doesn't involve modifying the HTML? |
| 21:25.28 | EvilPerson666 | do u gaize like jessie or weezy |
| 21:25.40 | EvilPerson666 | i think i like squeeze |
| 21:25.41 | blast_hardcheese | The page renders fine on Mac and Windows, I can't justify making a change just because I use Linux |
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| 21:26.35 | frostschutz | blast_hardcheese, greasemonkey? oh well... *shrug* |
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| 21:29.25 | nase7 | I still get a "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: build-essential:native" when I try to (cross-)compile. Although I have build-essential installed. I don't know what this is supposed to tell me..? |
| 21:29.55 | captainOshi | yelp! I have a remote desktop session open and accidentally removed the service isc-dhcp-common, I dont have WAN access on the box only LAN. don't want to start setting up shares in-case the net (or what's left of it) resets and kicks me. Is the a local folder repo that debian uses that I may find the package? |
| 21:30.21 | captainOshi | *is there a local repo |
| 21:30.55 | blast_hardcheese | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.03 | tremon | lcaptainOshi: /var/cache/apt, but you don't need to look for it yourself. if the file is still there, apt-get install will simply skip the download |
| 21:31.05 | nase7 | captainOshi: there's a local cache of packages, do you mean that? |
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| 21:32.33 | captainOshi | @nase yes.../var/cache/apt/archives/ contains the isc-dhcp-server packege (the one I *thought i was removing ... doh! |
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| 21:41.07 | captainOshi | ffs - i had to put the .deb on a USB drive and WALK 7 feet to the box :( |
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| 21:42.26 | arcsky | hello guys, does anyone know if its possible to setup so when i login with SSH to my debian server it authenticate through my windows radius server? |
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| 21:44.02 | nase7 | arcsky: definitely possible. I read about it when I tried to get NFSv4 with radius working |
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| 21:48.26 | EvilPerson666 | how come i can install windows under vbox but not osx |
| 21:48.30 | EvilPerson666 | isnt that a bit odd |
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| 21:49.33 | centrx | EvilPerson666, Apple does some special things so you can't just install OS X on any Intel machine |
| 21:49.41 | centrx | EvilPerson666, I think there is a way around it |
| 21:49.43 | EvilPerson666 | umm |
| 21:49.47 | EvilPerson666 | im on macbook pro |
| 21:49.52 | EvilPerson666 | lel |
| 21:49.57 | centrx | right but the virtual machine is a virtual machine |
| 21:50.08 | centrx | So it might need something special to tell OS X that it's really a Mac |
| 21:50.15 | EvilPerson666 | ya so steve jobs is a steve jobs? |
| 21:50.24 | EvilPerson666 | is that wat ur saying |
| 21:50.27 | EvilPerson666 | ? |
| 21:50.49 | EvilPerson666 | i dun need to tell anyone shit |
| 21:51.01 | arcsky | nase7: ist in ssh config or do i need to download freeradius or something? |
| 21:51.07 | EvilPerson666 | fkn done w this crap |
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| 21:53.01 | nase7 | arcsky: oh, wait, I was messing with kerberos.. sorry, mixed it up. I know you can be authenticated to ssh via kerberos, no idea about radius |
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| 21:56.33 | YamakasY | is there a way to make my own build dpgk install as a specific user ? |
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| 21:57.47 | centrx | YamakasY, You can make your own build, and you can put it in a directory you have access to |
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| 21:58.00 | centrx | YamakasY, but you need root to 'install' on the system |
| 21:58.02 | cafuego | YamakasY: You can't install as non-root; the installer needs to write to centralised things. |
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| 21:59.35 | YamakasY | yesyes but I want an ownwer, so run it as that user |
| 21:59.56 | centrx | you can use su to run things as a different user |
| 22:00.01 | centrx | su -c |
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| 22:00.28 | EvilPerson666 | iduno |
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| 22:03.41 | YamakasY | let´s say like apache |
| 22:03.46 | YamakasY | aapche runs as www-data |
| 22:03.50 | YamakasY | *apache |
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| 22:06.06 | YamakasY | centrx, you know what I mean ? |
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| 22:10.10 | aphorise | in 14.04 is ipv6 enabled for apt by default? |
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| 22:10.15 | centrx | YamakasY, If you want to set-up a daemon/service, there are tools for that, specifically start-stop-daemon |
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| 22:10.39 | centrx | YamakasY, Underneath, it uses su or something very close to it to switch users to www-data |
| 22:10.59 | centrx | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/394984/best-practice-to-run-linux-service-as-a-different-user |
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| 22:12.29 | YamakasY | centrx, ok, so create user make script run it like that user |
| 22:12.31 | YamakasY | let me read |
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| 22:13.11 | brentaarnold | What's you guys' favorite mp3/audio player? |
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| 22:13.55 | nase7 | brentaarnold: amarok :-) |
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| 22:15.55 | blast_hardcheese | YamakasY: I use `sudo -su someuser` |
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| 22:16.07 | blast_hardcheese | -s is to get a shell, -u specifiess a user |
| 22:16.31 | blast_hardcheese | It happens to also wor if you forget the dash, since sudo su someuser will spawn a shell as well |
| 22:16.34 | blast_hardcheese | *work |
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| 22:17.12 | nase7 | oh! learned something new! |
| 22:17.41 | blast_hardcheese | This is obviously only if you want an interactive shell as a given user; I have a "build" user set up on my personal machine so I don't run arbitrary make files as my user or as root :) |
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| 22:19.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell brentaarnold about popcon |
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| 22:20.54 | nkuttler | brentaarnold: quodlibet |
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| 22:24.49 | sunbeam | for some reason inbox emails older than 1 week are removed automatically, I use dovecot |
| 22:24.53 | sunbeam | Any idea which setting causes this? |
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| 22:26.00 | petn-randall | sunbeam: dovecot doesn't do that by default, I'm not even sure if it has such an autoprune feature. |
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| 22:26.30 | sunbeam | petn-randall: ok thanks for your answer. any idea how I can find out where this is caused by? |
| 22:26.48 | sunbeam | I use the mail app from apple, and this app does not offer this feature |
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| 22:26.51 | petn-randall | sunbeam: My first guess would be to look into /var/log/mail.log and mail.err. |
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| 22:28.55 | wjtaylor | Need help with browsers... Iceweasel will only allow me one instance of it running at a time. Chromium, keeps hanging on pages until I kill the page... Can someone help me resolve these issues? |
| 22:29.33 | petn-randall | wjtaylor: How do iceweasel stop you from running several windows? |
| 22:29.36 | petn-randall | *does |
| 22:29.43 | sunbeam | petn-randall: where should I look for? |
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| 22:30.27 | sunbeam | in that file |
| 22:30.34 | wjtaylor | petn-randall: because other apps will want to spawn a browser with a url and it prevents it from starting. |
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| 22:31.14 | petn-randall | sunbeam: I'd just browser through it to see if any message refer to your problem. |
| 22:31.31 | petn-randall | wjtaylor: Which release are you running? |
| 22:31.55 | sunbeam | petn-randall: nothing, searched for various words in that large file, only login and attempts in it |
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| 22:33.27 | petn-randall | sunbeam: http://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-delete-and-manage-old-messages-in-os-x-mail/ says apple imail can prune old messages, I'd check that first. |
| 22:33.42 | sunbeam | petn-randall: automatically? |
| 22:33.43 | sunbeam | ok sec |
| 22:34.01 | wjtaylor | petn-randall: I'm updating now, but also if I want a browser in one workspace for webpages related to coding and another browser on another workspace related to stocks/finance... I think I should be able to do this. |
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| 22:34.25 | sunbeam | petn-randall: not sure what this has to do with it |
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| 22:35.53 | petn-randall | sunbeam: Mobile phone that does that? I'm suspecting the clients. The server doesn't do that, and only supports it through obscure plugins. |
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| 22:38.02 | sunbeam | petn-randall: you maybe know of mobile phones that do this? |
| 22:38.41 | petn-randall | sunbeam: Some support pruning old mail, sure. |
| 22:38.55 | sunbeam | petn-randall: older than 7 days, and by default removing it |
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| 22:43.27 | sunbeam | i would really like to know how this is possible :( |
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| 22:44.26 | petn-randall | sunbeam: This might help: http://www.dovecot.org/list/dovecot/2011-December/080036.html |
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| 22:46.48 | sunbeam | petn-randall: thanks |
| 22:47.00 | sunbeam | how can I install such plugin, just adding that line on dovecot.conf ? |
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| 22:53.02 | petn-randall | sunbeam: Apparently by setting the config options as described on the wiki page. |
| 22:54.24 | sunbeam | yep i just did |
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| 22:55.40 | sunbeam | found it |
| 22:55.44 | sunbeam | at least i hope |
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| 23:04.28 | sunbeam | nop |
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| 23:04.43 | sunbeam | I think they are removed from disk |
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| 23:12.24 | petn-randall | sunbeam: It won't retroactively show it for you, but it will make it debuggable when it happens again. |
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| 23:13.19 | sunbeam | petn-randall: it already shows if there are removed mails |
| 23:13.25 | sunbeam | and all mail removals that I could find are natural |
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| 23:16.20 | arcsky | hello does anyone know why i cant write to my samba share ? http://pastebin.com/SLzBmmz5 |
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| 23:26.01 | orl | Hi: |
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| 23:30.56 | stakewinner00 | use fsck with "-a" (automatic) option is really dangerous? |
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| 23:41.15 | srg | Is GnuPG v2.1 available on debian testing/jessie? All I can find is v1 and v2.0 |
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| 23:43.31 | rudi_s | srg: No. Only in experimental. |
| 23:43.51 | orl | I've just bought a Radeon R9 270, and put it in a machine with an uptodate Debian SID system, and got a black screen. Before, I had another Radeon card (a quite old one), and it worked fine. In Xorg.0.log, the first error I get is RADEON(0): eglInitialize() failed, and this leads to quite unrevelant answers on google. |
| 23:43.53 | nkuttler | ,v gnupg |
| 23:43.54 | judd | Package: gnupg on i386 -- squeeze-security: 1.4.10-4+squeeze4; squeeze: 1.4.10-4+squeeze4; squeeze-security-lts: 1.4.10-4+squeeze6; wheezy-security: 1.4.12-7+deb7u6; wheezy: 1.4.12-7+deb7u6; sid: 1.4.18-6; jessie: 1.4.18-6 |
| 23:44.09 | srg | rudi_s: Thanks! |
| 23:44.14 | orl | I didn't know there was new driver for ati (radeonsi), and I don't know much (almost nothing) about them, and I feel it has something to do with this. |
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| 23:51.03 | orl | Note: when the screen goes sleeping, if I drag the mouse, the screen comes back (always black), so it looks it's not dead.... |
| 23:53.05 | nkuttler | orl: have you tried fglrx? |
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| 23:54.25 | orl | nkuttler: no I didn't, I'd prefer to use FOSS, and it looks like this card works (normally) with radeonsi |
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