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| 01:29.45 | xreal | Why doesn't /bin/hostname change /etc/hostname ? |
| 01:30.44 | xreal | ah ok, /etc/hostname is the permanent variable. |
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| 01:40.58 | Jef91 | How do I specify in a control file to always install the i386 version of a package? Even if the system is amd64 |
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| 01:47.04 | ROG3R | why do my debian freeze like once a week ? |
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| 01:47.42 | abrotman | You have the logs, you can't give us a hint? |
| 01:47.59 | ROG3R | abrotman: ehere do i find the logs? |
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| 01:50.33 | millican | ROG3R: /var/log |
| 01:50.46 | millican | there is a lot in there. |
| 01:52.07 | ROG3R | millican: http://picpaste.com/pics/screenshot_2015-01-26_02_51_10-TPnSa5fu.1422237102.png |
| 01:52.19 | ROG3R | lots of stuff in there |
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| 01:52.51 | millican | messages is a common one that's a good place to start. |
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| 01:59.21 | ROG3R | millican: the crash took place yesterday, i rebooted meanwhile... |
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| 02:04.45 | ROG3R | encrypting the virtual machine is effective? (I mean arent there any tricks to exploit vmware for example and gain access?) |
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| 02:05.23 | abrotman | What? |
| 02:05.27 | abrotman | how is that related? |
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| 02:15.30 | intelikey | hello |
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| 02:16.57 | centrx | !hi |
| 02:16.57 | dpkg | hello, centrx |
| 02:17.01 | intelikey | can anyone tell me how to signal the kernel/initramfs to NOT mess with my video settings ? at boot time the fonts get shrank so small that i can't read what the console is telling me. |
| 02:18.07 | intelikey | the vga= and video= don't seem to help anything. is this a common problem ? |
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| 02:27.10 | nell | does the new updated wheezy have clib2.15 |
| 02:27.15 | nell | or is it still frozen at 2.13 |
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| 02:27.33 | abrotman | updated? |
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| 02:28.09 | nell | 7.8 came out a couple weeks ago |
| 02:28.30 | abrotman | nell: see packages.debian.org |
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| 02:33.14 | shellox | hi, I have a website which has a product catalogue on it. All the products have a specific url scheme. How would I download all of them with wget? |
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| 02:38.32 | nell | aw wheezy is still using glibc-2.13-1 :( |
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| 02:38.46 | zacwalls | How can i get graphics on a non-graphical install because right now im just a shell |
| 02:38.59 | zacwalls | and really scared |
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| 02:39.18 | bazhang | ubuntu or debian zacwalls |
| 02:39.25 | zacwalls | debian |
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| 02:39.47 | intelikey | apt-get install "some meta package" |
| 02:39.56 | intelikey | kde maybe |
| 02:40.04 | zacwalls | intelikey, me?? |
| 02:40.04 | intelikey | shrugs |
| 02:40.17 | intelikey | yes you zacwalls |
| 02:40.19 | millican | zacwalls: Do you have a desktop environment installed? |
| 02:40.37 | millican | Aw heck. What happens when you enter "startx" at the prompt? |
| 02:41.00 | zacwalls | I did a diffrent desktop like kde but im not sure |
| 02:41.26 | millican | gnome is popular, then xfce and others. |
| 02:41.26 | intelikey | yeah i did assume that "non-graphical install" implied that gui was not installed |
| 02:41.32 | zacwalls | bash command not found: startx |
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| 02:42.12 | zacwalls | So how can i get graphics? I could not do the graphical install do to a firmware issue |
| 02:42.23 | zacwalls | but that was one thing |
| 02:42.42 | zacwalls | So how can i fix this? |
| 02:42.45 | millican | So, what desktop environment or window manager do you like? |
| 02:43.12 | zacwalls | xfce and gnome are my favorite |
| 02:43.48 | codyontheplains | apt-get install gnome-panel |
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| 02:44.36 | auscompgeek | zacwalls: then install one of them |
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| 02:44.48 | zacwalls | command sudo not found. Do i have to be root? |
| 02:45.06 | millican | Yes. As root, I'd install sudo as well. |
| 02:45.19 | paragon_ | become the rootuser on your system, and add your local user to the sudo group. |
| 02:45.22 | zacwalls | How |
| 02:45.27 | paragon_ | then log-out and back in. |
| 02:45.29 | millican | /etc/sudoers |
| 02:45.32 | codyontheplains | su - root |
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| 02:45.46 | codyontheplains | adduser zacwalls sudo |
| 02:46.06 | pingfloyd | do you have the sudo package installed? |
| 02:46.14 | zacwalls | adduser command not found |
| 02:46.47 | abrotman | zacwalls: as root |
| 02:46.54 | abrotman | or use the full path |
| 02:47.09 | codyontheplains | did the base packages not get installed either? |
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| 02:47.32 | zacwalls | I get authentication failed wher trying to login as root |
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| 02:47.57 | millican | That's not good. Did you start with the Debian minimal or net-install? |
| 02:48.01 | zacwalls | base did |
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| 02:48.44 | zacwalls | millican, net inst is wat i did |
| 02:49.06 | pingfloyd | what did you set root password to in the installer? |
| 02:49.14 | pingfloyd | should be the same if you haven't changed it since then |
| 02:49.46 | zacwalls | same |
| 02:49.58 | auscompgeek | codyontheplains: sudo isn't part of the base |
| 02:50.10 | zacwalls | oh |
| 02:50.30 | zacwalls | i have grub |
| 02:50.35 | millican | But, you will need to log in as root to do anything. |
| 02:51.14 | zacwalls | wat about getting packages from grub? |
| 02:53.06 | abrotman | use su to become root |
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| 02:53.35 | pingfloyd | you need to regain root and then apt-get install sudo |
| 02:53.48 | abrotman | or, since it's a new install, just do a reinstall, don't mess it up this time |
| 02:53.54 | zacwalls | i knw |
| 02:54.01 | pingfloyd | yeah, that would probably be simpler |
| 02:54.11 | pingfloyd | just restart since it is fresh |
| 02:54.22 | pingfloyd | then once you got it like you want, then worry about having to tweaking anything |
| 02:54.23 | zacwalls | abortman can u help me. I dont want to screw up again. |
| 02:54.31 | millican | But then, wouldn't the same firmware problem arise? |
| 02:54.33 | abrotman | zacwalls: there's an entire installation manual |
| 02:54.43 | abrotman | !ig |
| 02:54.43 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 7 "Wheezy" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual . See also <errata>, <release notes>. |
| 02:54.49 | zacwalls | I just got root from recovery mode in grub. |
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| 02:55.13 | pingfloyd | zacwalls: don't be a afraid to run it a few times to get familiar. Ideally, go through the expert install option and get to understand that one. |
| 02:55.53 | zacwalls | I ran about 16 times today and yesturday |
| 02:55.57 | pingfloyd | just make sure you have your important data backed up, but you should already |
| 02:56.05 | millican | If he's got the root prompt, he should be fine to go ahead and get gnome or xfce or something. |
| 02:56.07 | abrotman | zacwalls: then do it again, but enusre you enter the root password correctly |
| 02:56.18 | abrotman | I thought he didn't have the root password? |
| 02:56.30 | millican | He said he did get logged in as root |
| 02:56.53 | millican | ...from grub |
| 02:56.58 | abrotman | eh .. |
| 02:57.16 | pingfloyd | grub is different |
| 02:57.25 | bazhang | <zacwalls> I just got root from recovery mode in grub. |
| 02:57.56 | millican | I say try something like "apt-get install sudo" and see how it goes. |
| 02:58.04 | bazhang | zacwalls, when the switch from long time xubuntu to debian |
| 02:58.43 | zacwalls | I got a new pc along time ago bazhang, :) |
| 02:58.56 | bazhang | so last week |
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| 03:00.11 | zacwalls | HA! |
| 03:00.55 | abrotman | not denying it .. |
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| 03:02.14 | zacwalls | bazhang gnome-panel not found |
| 03:02.40 | bazhang | ? |
| 03:03.06 | millican | just "apt-get install gnome"? |
| 03:03.11 | zacwalls | This thing is set up to use ssh i think |
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| 03:03.32 | zacwalls | millican, can do. |
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| 03:04.52 | zacwalls | unable to locate package |
| 03:05.10 | millican | have you run "apt-get update"? |
| 03:05.38 | zacwalls | sulogin: root account locked, starting shell |
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| 03:05.49 | zacwalls | what does that mean? |
| 03:06.09 | Mongo44 | Anyone got Silverlight to work on Wheezy? |
| 03:06.45 | millican | If it's a new install, you might not have the current list of the packages on the repos. You may also have to check your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 03:08.21 | zacwalls | like nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:08.41 | millican | yes |
| 03:08.42 | abrotman | Please read the installation guide, these things are covered in there |
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| 03:09.10 | abrotman | Much better than begging the channel to spoon feed you |
| 03:09.53 | millican | Well, I've been completely lost at a command prompt and had trouble understanding the relatively new language found in man pages and such. |
| 03:10.36 | abrotman | If someone has done the install 15 times and doesn't have a working install, they should probably read the installation manual and do it again |
| 03:10.42 | Mongo44 | Hey I can help what is the issue? |
| 03:10.54 | millican | I don't mind helping. My wife wants us to take a shower though. So, I'll be unavailable for a bit. |
| 03:11.05 | zacwalls | I have # deb cdrom: [Debian GNU/Linux 7.8.0 _wheezy_ - Official i368 NETINST Binary-1 20150110-13:31]/ wheezy main |
| 03:11.32 | Mongo44 | Yes? |
| 03:11.56 | abrotman | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html Look at that .. |
| 03:12.10 | abrotman | dpkg: tell zacwalls about docs |
| 03:12.13 | zacwalls | Mongo44 i have no gui |
| 03:12.15 | abrotman | dpkg: tell zacwalls about grounding |
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| 03:13.11 | zacwalls | abortman, I get the jist and so does everyone else |
| 03:13.32 | Mongo44 | zacwalls, start over maybe? |
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| 03:14.13 | zacwalls | To much time. And if i screw up again, I may go into a homicidal rampage. |
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| 03:15.23 | zacwalls | Mongo44, Do you know what the repo for gnome |
| 03:15.32 | zacwalls | I will look it up |
| 03:15.40 | Mongo44 | Alright I am listening what is going on? |
| 03:16.18 | zacwalls | I am short on repos from the install |
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| 03:16.35 | abrotman | zacwalls: I just pointed you at the page with the answers .. and you didn't read that either |
| 03:16.44 | abrotman | is starting to think something smells |
| 03:16.59 | Mongo44 | http://paste.debian.net/142265/ |
| 03:17.13 | Mongo44 | There is a good sources list. |
| 03:17.20 | zacwalls | I have red your docs |
| 03:17.27 | zacwalls | not verry helpful |
| 03:17.34 | zacwalls | very* |
| 03:18.06 | Mongo44 | Do you know text editors? |
| 03:18.18 | abrotman | zacwalls: You're going to have serious problems with Debian, I suggest you find a distro more oriented toward people with less experience |
| 03:18.45 | woshty | Is there an fglrx-legacy-drivers package in jessie? |
| 03:18.55 | abrotman | woshty: packages.debian.org would know |
| 03:19.41 | zacwalls | I dont have the time nor the sources to do so. But thank you for the polite suggestion |
| 03:19.42 | woshty | abrotman: my aptitude should know as well. It is referenced in the description but not listed - I thought it might have been renamed .. |
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| 03:20.18 | woshty | abrotman: description of the fglrx-driver package .. |
| 03:20.18 | Mongo44 | Yeah has anyone gotten Netflix to work on Wheezy? |
| 03:20.38 | woshty | Mongo44: that is what I am trying to do on jessie atm ;) |
| 03:20.49 | abrotman | zacwalls: Please take the time to read some basic documentation about what you're trying to do. You're asking about basic configuration options. Debian has pretty good documentation. We're not here to spoon-feed you. |
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| 03:21.40 | Mongo44 | zacwalls, look at my sources list. Make yours look the same. |
| 03:22.09 | Mongo44 | Shit must have got offended. |
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| 03:30.01 | zacwalls1 | I read the overview of the install and it seemed like what i had done before. I just have one little problem. I have to edit missing-firmware and I cant do that on graphical install. Can someone help me with that? |
| 03:30.35 | dvs | !tell zacwalls1 about firmware iso |
| 03:31.12 | zacwalls1 | I dont have the resource to do another iso image. |
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| 03:32.01 | c0fe | anyone know if it possible to custom a debian arm cd image by extract the iso itself? |
| 03:32.17 | c0fe | and replacing the regular installation method to with an automated script? |
| 03:36.06 | zacwalls1 | The screen remains idle on detect network hardware |
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| 03:39.00 | millican | zacwalls1: Is it wifie or ethernet cable? You may need the firmware package on a flash drive to install it if it's wifi. |
| 03:39.23 | zacwalls1 | eth0 |
| 03:39.45 | zacwalls1 | But i know to fix this problem in non-gui install |
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| 03:40.42 | c0fe | anyone can help me with customziation issue? |
| 03:40.50 | millican | zacwalls1: Do you by chance have a USB ethernet adapter to try? |
| 03:41.04 | zacwalls1 | millican, no |
| 03:41.45 | millican | I'm curious now, what is Debian being installed on? |
| 03:42.06 | zacwalls1 | a laptop |
| 03:42.21 | zacwalls1 | wait wat do u mean? |
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| 03:42.34 | millican | That mostly answered it. |
| 03:42.35 | zacwalls1 | usb ethernet? |
| 03:43.01 | zacwalls1 | I have a usb port and an ethernet port, yes |
| 03:43.12 | zacwalls1 | and i am hooked up via eth0 |
| 03:43.17 | millican | If eth0 isn't working, one of those ethernet adapters that plug into the usb might work. |
| 03:43.51 | c0fe | assholes |
| 03:44.11 | zacwalls1 | I can fix the problem on non-gui install fine |
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| 03:45.17 | Mongo44 | c0fe you trying to install on multiple computers? |
| 03:45.41 | millican | Maybe I misunderstood. You don't have internet access on the machine you're trying to install gnome on ? |
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| 03:45.59 | zacwalls1 | millican, no i do |
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| 03:46.17 | zacwalls1 | no wireless hardware |
| 03:46.34 | millican | Oh. OK. |
| 03:46.50 | millican | How did the update of the /etc/apt/sources.list go? |
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| 03:47.11 | zacwalls1 | millican, I could not do that |
| 03:47.27 | zacwalls1 | millican, i am retrying the install |
| 03:47.52 | millican | OK. Is the netinstall the only iso you have right now? |
| 03:48.00 | zacwalls1 | yes |
| 03:48.32 | millican | OK. I hope it goes a bit better this time around. |
| 03:48.38 | zacwalls1 | Me too |
| 03:48.40 | millican | I do need to go to bed. |
| 03:48.46 | zacwalls1 | :( |
| 03:49.03 | millican | best of luck to you. |
| 03:49.09 | zacwalls1 | yeah |
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| 04:27.15 | shay_shay | i realize this is not strictly debian specific (however I am using debian |
| 04:27.16 | shay_shay | ) |
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| 04:27.35 | shay_shay | I cant get video out the hdmi of my video card or my motherboard, but display port works fine |
| 04:27.44 | shay_shay | would that be in bios? |
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| 04:30.08 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 04:30.54 | johnfg | On debian wheezy, when I run acroread, it brings up a tracker app. It wants my webrowser, /usr/bin/iceweasel. |
| 04:31.03 | johnfg | It takes that, no problem. |
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| 04:32.41 | johnfg | It also wants either libgtkembedmoz or libxul. I have /usr/lib/iceweasel/libxul.so. However, it won't accept it when I enter it in, and if I browse to it, the files underneath /usr/lib/iceweasel are greyed out. |
| 04:33.21 | johnfg | The permissions are 644, owned by root. |
| 04:33.29 | johnfg | Any ideas what's up? |
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| 04:39.15 | shay_shay | ok i found the setting in my bios, and removed my nvidia xorg.conf and dkms, but now it boots into x but no compositing |
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| 04:44.43 | shay_shay | I guess I can reinstall, I am not that far along |
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| 04:49.19 | nell | is swap unnecessary on full disk luks + 24gb ram on my thinkpad w520 |
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| 04:50.55 | cheapie | nell: I'm using no swap with 8 GB of RAM here. No issues at all yet. |
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| 04:53.43 | themill | nell: if you want to be able to hibernate then you need some swap |
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| 04:54.12 | nell | but its a hassle with FDE isnt it |
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| 04:55.31 | themill | not really |
| 04:55.43 | nell | should I create a distinct volume for /tmp |
| 04:55.54 | nell | i have /usr /home /var and / |
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| 04:57.27 | shay_shay | I am in the process of switrching my debian desktop to use my intel IGU and then use my nvidia card for a virtual machine. the first thing I did was uninstall nvidia-kernel-dkms and then remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf... and then rebooted with a hdmi cable plugged into my motherboard. upon reboot I dont have any compositing in KDE |
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| 04:59.38 | nell | why is putting /tmp on its own separate partition a good idea? |
| 04:59.49 | nell | security? |
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| 05:08.01 | themill | nell: there's little motivation to put anything on separate partitions on a single user machine. The reason for putting /tmp separate is to make sure you don't fill / accidentally and then prevent logging from working. |
| 05:08.29 | themill | nell: that said, /tmp on tmpfs can be a good plan for lots of use cases |
| 05:08.43 | nell | I just think that perhaps the use of this machine may change in the future |
| 05:08.59 | nell | maybe I should just ...buy additional hardware in that case |
| 05:09.08 | nell | im overcomplicating it for me |
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| 06:01.25 | dondelelcaro | Lady_Aleena: the file extensions are really there for your benifit; that's all |
| 06:01.38 | dondelelcaro | hopefully most things are actually using libmagic instead of file extensions |
| 06:01.52 | Lady_Aleena | dondelelcaro, libmagic? |
| 06:02.25 | Lady_Aleena | No manual entry for libmagic. |
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| 06:02.48 | dondelelcaro | Lady_Aleena: it's what file uses |
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| 06:03.22 | dondelelcaro | Lady_Aleena: so file foo.txt; for example |
| 06:03.23 | Lady_Aleena | Okay...I'll take your word for it. |
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| 06:04.26 | dondelelcaro | you can just try it out; file is actually pretty |
| 06:04.30 | dondelelcaro | s/pretty/& neat/ |
| 06:04.38 | Lady_Aleena | Hold please. |
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| 06:05.12 | themill | (or xdg-mime query filetype filename.txt; xdg-mime query default text/plain) |
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| 06:07.01 | Lady_Aleena | GUH! I found a file with CRLF line endings and my text editor is busy updating. |
| 06:08.35 | Lady_Aleena | Now I would really love to run a find to find all ASCII files with CRLF line endings so I can fix them. |
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| 06:13.12 | lru | the file command shows CRLF files for me |
| 06:13.39 | Lady_Aleena | lru, all of them recursively? |
| 06:14.22 | lru | might need to use find: find /path -name "*.txt" -print0 |xargs -0 file |
| 06:14.35 | themill | no, file's job is to look at file type. find's job is to find files. Each tool does one thing and does it well; it's your job to write your own command to hook them together |
| 06:14.57 | Lady_Aleena | lru, .txt is not the only file extension which is ASCII. All of my perl scripts and modules are ASCII files. |
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| 06:15.28 | lru | search by type instead: find /path -type f -print0 |
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| 06:17.19 | Lady_Aleena | themill, I can't even get a simple grep regex to work at the moment. |
| 06:17.33 | lru | :-) |
| 06:17.48 | ROG3R | I am running a virtual machine. Yet htop in host shows that I'm using 460MB ram. as if the vortual machine is not using any ram. why is that? |
| 06:18.06 | Lady_Aleena | grep -RnTP '(\'|\")\.txt(\'|\")' | sort -n | tee >(wc -l) |
| 06:18.16 | mjt | what is a "virtual machine"? |
| 06:18.44 | Lady_Aleena | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `)' |
| 06:18.49 | ROG3R | mjt: I run mint under vmware with debian host |
| 06:19.04 | Lady_Aleena | However, I will shut up now since others have more pressing issues. |
| 06:19.07 | mjt | vmware. ok |
| 06:19.46 | mjt | that's probably a question to vmware guys and their memory management |
| 06:20.24 | mjt | (there are many other VM solutions around, including qemu/kvm, virtualbox and others, and each has their own interesting ways to manage memory) |
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| 06:21.15 | ROG3R | mjt: still, vmware is a heavy program and lots of ram should be used. yet htop shows im suing 460mb :) |
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| 06:22.18 | lru | Lady_Aleena: I don't think you can escape single quotes |
| 06:22.24 | lru | in bash |
| 06:23.06 | mjt | in sh actually, it is in POSIX |
| 06:23.17 | mjt | so all POSIX-compatible shells follow |
| 06:24.16 | mjt | ROG3R: I can only repeat the same: it is a question to vmware guys who know how their program works. It might be, for example, memory "accounted for" their kernel module, or something else. |
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| 06:24.39 | ROG3R | mjt: ok |
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| 06:28.56 | jaypro | hey guys...i'm trying to install vid.stab. what directory is ffmpeg installed? i need to configure it |
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| 06:35.21 | lru | jaypro: dpkg -L ffmpeg ? |
| 06:35.42 | mjt | isn't it libva in debian? |
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| 06:36.50 | lru | there's a whole bunch of libs.... not sure which one he needs for his plugin |
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| 06:39.03 | mjt | sure, I just mean that ffmpeg has been replaced by libva in one or another version of debian, and details escapes my memory |
| 06:39.04 | lru | I only have 11% battery left... so if anyone has a question, better ask quick lol |
| 06:40.45 | jaypro | hrmm... im just trying to install vid.stab [https://github.com/georgmartius/vid.stab] where it requires ffmpeg |
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| 06:44.22 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... is netinst image sufficent to get a cmdline system booted ... or i still need internet ? |
| 06:45.01 | dondelelcaro | cobra-the-joker: it'll boot the system, yes. |
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| 06:45.21 | mjt | it'll _boot_ the installer, but it wont install anything |
| 06:45.29 | dgriffi | does anyone here have a Brother printer with more than one paper tray? I'm having some trouble getting my computer to recognize the second tray |
| 06:45.52 | cobra-the-joker | mjt: any other tiny image that i can install the system through ? |
| 06:46.33 | cobra-the-joker | i need it for a server , so dont need any GUI on it |
| 06:46.49 | mjt | dunno |
| 06:47.04 | dondelelcaro | cobra-the-joker: one of the smaller CDs or similar will install enough to run a server |
| 06:47.11 | dondelelcaro | cobra-the-joker: though it depends on what you mean by "run a server" |
| 06:47.34 | mjt | is that server will have no access to internet? |
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| 06:47.52 | mjt | heh. ± correct english :) |
| 06:48.17 | cobra-the-joker | it will ofcourse ... i just wanted to get the tinyest possible to not bloat it or anything |
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| 07:11.45 | engblom | Using Wheezy I need to find a way to mount /home from a network file systems on laptops that might do sleep/resume. NFS is acting badly if you put your laptop to sleep over night. |
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| 07:12.13 | engblom | s/systems/system/ |
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| 07:13.13 | dondelelcaro | engblom: I generally find that having /home over NFS is a bad idea |
| 07:13.45 | criusxii | i agree |
| 07:13.46 | engblom | dondelelcaro: I am willing to use any network file system, as long as it is over network |
| 07:13.50 | dondelelcaro | specific directories under ~ are usually just fine, but home itself has issues |
| 07:14.00 | criusxii | do you require VPN? |
| 07:14.26 | engblom | This is for a school with many laptops. The pupils should expect to have their files regardless of whatever laptop they take. |
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| 07:15.37 | dondelelcaro | ah, got it; that's a bit of a different setup |
| 07:15.58 | dondelelcaro | in that case, I'd actually suggest logging out the student and unmounting their home directory before sleeping |
| 07:16.16 | dondelelcaro | since that's presumably what you want anyway, as they might get a different laptop the next day |
| 07:16.51 | dondelelcaro | and in that case, you use automount to mount /home/theuser from some network filesystem instead of NFS over /home entirely |
| 07:16.53 | engblom | Which one of the filesystems would you use? NFS, SMB, sshfs? |
| 07:16.59 | dondelelcaro | I'd actually use NFS |
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| 07:17.05 | criusxii | smb |
| 07:17.07 | dondelelcaro | assuming there was always network |
| 07:17.19 | criusxii | NFS is host based |
| 07:17.21 | dondelelcaro | SMB is not appropriate for home directories, unfortunately. |
| 07:17.39 | criusxii | SMB is authentication based |
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| 07:17.48 | engblom | They will use WiFi and you know how well WiFi is working... So the file system need to handle smaller interrupts. |
| 07:18.20 | dondelelcaro | criusxii: NFS can do authentication as well... |
| 07:18.52 | dondelelcaro | in this situation, you'll want something like kerberos or similar to authenticate the users against a central authority |
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| 07:19.16 | dondelelcaro | yeah, NFS will be OK-ish with that; other filesystems are slightly better, but they have other problems |
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| 07:20.10 | criusxii | create a cloud? |
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| 07:22.03 | dgriffi | does anyone here know about brother printers with multiple paper trays? |
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| 07:25.14 | dondelelcaro | dgriffi: assuming you're using cups, it should just be a matter of getting the right PPD. |
| 07:25.34 | dondelelcaro | dgriffi: though I must admit, it's been a long time since I've used large enough printers to have multiple trays; my brother just has a single one. |
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| 07:27.41 | dgriffi | the printer itself knows about the extra tray as I can see from the config sheets |
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| 08:24.48 | stim_ | how can i install a package which were a deb isn't awaylable for debian squeeze? |
| 08:25.25 | stim_ | there is a bug in the software version debian squeeze old stable is using and i need to install a newer version |
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| 08:25.35 | stim_ | could you please provice information to do so? |
| 08:26.03 | adrin | stim_: why don't you compile your own version? |
| 08:26.18 | stim_ | adrin i've compiled it as described |
| 08:26.30 | stim_ | but ipsec isn't available |
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| 08:26.41 | stim_ | the package i'm talking about is strongswan |
| 08:27.35 | adrin | stim_: so the package depends on other packages that are not available on squeeze? |
| 08:28.02 | stim_ | no i've downloaded strongswan configured it and compiled |
| 08:28.08 | stim_ | after i've done make install |
| 08:28.30 | stim_ | but it isn't possible to issue ipsec up tunnel |
| 08:28.39 | stim_ | i think there is something missing |
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| 08:32.17 | adrin | stim_: I'm not sure about package dependencies and kernel modules related to this package, but last time I had this problem, I ended up compiling cmake, gcc, python, boost, etc., |
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| 08:32.48 | afidegnum | hello, I have installed gmp and php5-gmp but I am still getting ... the requested PHP extension gmp is missing from your system |
| 08:32.50 | adrin | stim_: if you really need the new package, either upgrade the system, or carefully compile from the very basic relevant package. |
| 08:32.54 | afidegnum | can you please give a hand? |
| 08:33.08 | kayta | quick question..what do you guys do when your system freezes, apart from going to virtual terminal with ctrl+alt+fn? is there any dedicated key to kill process that i am not aware of? |
| 08:33.47 | stim_ | http://git.strongswan.org/?p=strongswan.git;a=commitdiff;h=4ef867f5 |
| 08:33.56 | adrin | stim_: yes, in most cases |
| 08:34.16 | adrin | stim_: yes that fixes only the source code |
| 08:35.01 | adrin | stim_: you can get the source code of the installed package (same version as installed), then apply the patch, then compile and install and reload related kernel modules and restart corresponding process |
| 08:35.08 | adrin | stim_: then it must be fine |
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| 08:35.49 | adrin | kayta: not as far as I know (besides good old ctrl+alt+bkspace which is not enabled anymore) |
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| 08:39.01 | kayta | okay,,thanks. My system freezes too often, mostly when i am browsing web, it becomes so slow that virtual terminal takes more than half an hour to load i.e. if it loads,, Nothing is better than the good old restart |
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| 08:40.25 | jelly-home | kayta: not enough RAM for your workload, perhaps? |
| 08:41.14 | adrin | kayta: that's most probably cause you're running out of memory. If you're using Gnome, gnome-shell might be eating up your memory. alt+f2, and then run "r" (w/o quotes) to reload the shell. Sometimes helps |
| 08:41.26 | kayta | jelly-home, yes, that's the thing, I have a very old laptop. In windows ctrl alt del often rises to occasion |
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| 08:42.13 | adrin | kayta: you also need to watch your memory while opening more and more tabs, I use a suspender plugin to kill my tabs when they're not needed in Chrome, to save memory on old systems. |
| 08:43.36 | kayta | adrin, I have learned to be careful, i never open channel list in xchat because it kills my computer, similary never more than 4 tabs in chrome, mozilla sometimes handles more, I have had to remove adp |
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| 08:44.19 | jelly-home | !dontzap |
| 08:44.19 | dpkg | Since Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", terminating an X server via Ctrl+Alt+Backspace ("zapping") is disabled by default. To enable, run «dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium keyboard-configuration» and answer Yes when asked if Ctrl+Alt+Backspace can terminate the X server (or «setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp»). |
| 08:44.37 | jelly-home | ^^ to reenable Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill X |
| 08:44.53 | kayta | adrin doesn't that doesn't work for me.. Thanks jelly-home |
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| 08:48.57 | kayta | jelly-home what are the cons of using this method? there has to be some because it was disabled by default. Anyway it is a must for me |
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| 08:50.16 | jelly-home | kayta: you can press it accidentally and kill your X session |
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| 08:50.51 | jelly-home | kayta: using a simple window manager can save some resources as well |
| 08:51.27 | jelly-home | but if you have 512MB or less you're not going to have a nice time with current software |
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| 08:51.45 | noname001 | hi all |
| 08:51.56 | noname001 | have a small problem with linux setup |
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| 08:51.59 | noname001 | http://pastebin.com/Xv2i4Rxf |
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| 08:52.10 | noname001 | any ideas how to fix that |
| 08:52.12 | noname001 | ? |
| 08:52.35 | kayta | jelly-home, thanks a lot. Can you give me any link for windows manager setup or how i can create it |
| 08:53.44 | kayta | I have 1gb ram, |
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| 08:55.40 | jelly-home | !wm |
| 08:55.40 | dpkg | A window manager is a special application class which decorates and manages windows for the X server. To list available window managers in your system, run «apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager». Not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>. To set your system-wide default window manager, use «update-alternatives --config x-window-manager». For a guide to available window managers, see http://xwinman.org/ |
| 08:55.43 | jelly-home | maybe |
| 08:56.11 | slucx | window manager |
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| 09:41.52 | MrN00Bs | is anyone using Macbook6,2 with Debian ? |
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| 10:03.06 | abailarri | Hello. I created a daemon with upstart and I putted on /etc/init path. I started and when I execute initctl list | sort I see myservice stop/waiting, and I can't stop or restart. For what reasons can be? |
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| 10:04.15 | jelly-home | abailarri: how come you're running upstart in the first place? |
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| 10:04.37 | mjt | running ubuntu? |
| 10:04.46 | jelly-home | (I don't have an answer for you tho) |
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| 10:05.03 | abailarri | jelly-home, what? |
| 10:05.18 | jelly-home | abailarri: why did you choose upstart, it's not default on debian |
| 10:05.45 | abailarri | because I'm managing a debian that runs with upstart |
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| 10:05.52 | abailarri | is a client's server |
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| 10:08.04 | abailarri | jelly-home, I'm using upstart to make a nodejs as a service |
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| 10:15.37 | reese | hi, i have one question, I have clean basesystem install of debian, and i haven't package exim* but exim4 is still running on my system after reboot, how can i remove it permanently? |
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| 10:18.08 | rgr | if its running then its installed. |
| 10:18.24 | reese | rgr, dpkg -l |grep exim is empty |
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| 10:19.31 | rgr | whats running? What DE are you logging into? Did you manually install something (I guess not since you say its a clean base install) |
| 10:21.11 | reese | i installed debian from netinstall iso, use only basesystem in tasksel and after install i check processes list and i seen exim |
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| 10:21.40 | reese | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:24.14 | reese | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.38 | jelly-home | reese: is there a /usr/sbin/exim4 file? What does "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/exim4" say? |
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| 10:25.00 | rgr | oh exim. firstly my apologies. I read it as xfce3 for some reason - probably because I was just configuring that! |
| 10:25.07 | rgr | xfce4 even |
| 10:25.28 | reese | jelly-home, no path found matching pattern /usr/sbin/exim4 |
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| 10:26.34 | reese | jelly-home, and yes file /usr/sbin/exim4 is exist |
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| 10:27.06 | rgr | Im not even sure you can remove it but jelly-home will know . its the default mta for debian. Why you want to remove it? |
| 10:27.07 | jelly-home | reese: did you install onto a filesystem that existed before? |
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| 10:27.26 | jelly-home | rgr: it shouldn't exist on base install. |
| 10:27.53 | reese | jelly-home, hmm im not sure :/ it could be problem :/ |
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| 10:28.07 | rgr | it isn't a problem I would suggest. |
| 10:28.09 | reese | i'll try to reinstall |
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| 10:29.06 | rgr | I wouldnt bother. Was it a clean format before? Even then it just "Being there" wouldnt cause the init to start it up. |
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| 10:29.57 | Juslintek | Hi, anyone know why I get this http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=mx%3aadvika.eu&run=toolpage# When I do lookup on my domain for mx records. Why bind is concatonating them. As well I can't get anything sent to my gmail. |
| 10:30.05 | reese | rgr, right and if i good remember i formated this partition before instalation |
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| 10:30.51 | reese | have you got any different reasons? if not i have to try reinstall :/ |
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| 10:31.18 | topi`_ | should I use eCryptFS or dm-crypt, any opinions? |
| 10:31.36 | topi`_ | evidently encrypting the whole root with dm-crypt will require providing keys somehow at boot time, (how?) |
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| 10:32.00 | topi`_ | setting up eCryptFS per user (after boot sequence) I can do myself. |
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| 10:35.11 | TmC_ | Hello |
| 10:35.26 | jelly-home | topi`_: [how] you get asked a question at boot time |
| 10:35.56 | jelly-home | topi`_: the passphrase unlocks the keys, that are by default stored on the same disk |
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| 10:37.02 | topi`_ | ah, well, the system is supposed to be able to boot by itself |
| 10:37.07 | topi`_ | i.e. no user interventions |
| 10:37.35 | jelly-home | Juslintek: you forgot the dots at the end of the right side of your DNS records |
| 10:38.15 | jelly-home | Juslintek: advika.eu. 3600 IN MX 10 aspmx.l.google.com. <-- trailing dot is important |
| 10:38.18 | Juslintek | jelly-home, thanx |
| 10:38.52 | Juslintek | jelly-home and i thought dots are for concatonation |
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| 10:39.20 | jelly-home | the opposite is true, no trailing dot means "append domain name" |
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| 10:41.21 | rgr | reese: As I said its the default mta. Jelly knows better than me but maybe you told the install, if its nothe default, to install the mta. It really uses next to no resources so I wouldnt worry. |
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| 10:42.24 | reese | jelly-home, you had right, i reinstalled the system and formated / partition, now exim4 is not running |
| 10:42.30 | jelly-home | rgr: no, something is amiss there. dpkg should show which package the file belongs to, and d-i shouldn't install exim4-anything when nothing is chosen at tasksel time |
| 10:43.02 | reese | previous installation probably had this package |
| 10:43.21 | jelly-home | that seems likely, so there was leftover init script and other files |
| 10:43.22 | reese | jelly-home, thx |
| 10:43.45 | reese | rgr, thanks for your help also :) |
| 10:44.14 | Juslintek | jelly-home, maybe you also know how to fix reversedns problem? |
| 10:44.31 | Juslintek | When I do smtp test over here I get reverse dns problem: http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=mx%3aadvika.eu&run=toolpage# |
| 10:44.38 | jelly-home | Juslintek: I didn't see the reverse dns problem |
| 10:45.01 | Juslintek | SMTP Banner CheckReverse DNS FAILED! This is a problem. More Info |
| 10:45.31 | jelly-home | Juslintek: where do you see that? |
| 10:45.45 | Juslintek | I gave a link |
| 10:45.52 | Juslintek | In mx toolbox |
| 10:45.58 | Juslintek | when testing mx smtp |
| 10:46.02 | jelly-home | it's the same link as before, and I see no such message |
| 10:46.04 | Juslintek | I fixed smtp, now its fine |
| 10:46.16 | Juslintek | But, when I do smtp test |
| 10:46.34 | Juslintek | I get first wraning in the list of checks |
| 10:46.36 | jelly-home | how do you do this smtp test? |
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| 10:47.38 | Juslintek | okay go to mxtoolbox.com, enter there: mx:advika.eu |
| 10:47.48 | jelly-home | ok |
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| 10:48.09 | Juslintek | press enter, in the results to the right furthest column press SMTP Test |
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| 10:48.20 | Juslintek | It goes after blacklist check |
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| 10:49.04 | jelly-home | Juslintek:you'll have to ignore that, google's outgoing smtp servers do not and will not mention your domain |
| 10:49.56 | Juslintek | jelly-home thank you again :-) |
| 10:49.59 | jelly-home | oh, this is about receiving, not sending |
| 10:50.11 | Juslintek | jelly-home, how do you know so much? |
| 10:50.29 | jelly-home | Juslintek: a decade of learning |
| 10:50.49 | Juslintek | jelly-home, learning what? |
| 10:51.03 | jelly-home | the stuff you just asked about, and more |
| 10:51.21 | Juslintek | So basically experience. Trial and error? |
| 10:51.38 | Juslintek | And a lot of theory books |
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| 10:52.40 | rgr | I did wonder if exim4 also took care of "local" system emails from install jobs and su warnings etc. |
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| 10:53.13 | jelly-home | rgr: nope, there's no MTA in the base system. No mail at all. |
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| 10:54.16 | jelly-home | Juslintek: and product manuals and RFCs and web searching |
| 10:54.29 | jelly-home | and reading code, when everything else fails |
| 10:54.42 | Juslintek | jelly-home, got it. |
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| 11:03.30 | roger21 | hello |
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| 11:04.31 | roger21 | how do i check which package need one specified other package? |
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| 11:05.38 | rgr | Hmm. thought a couple of years ago google did add the ability to show your real domain - but as an "originator" or something. Could be faulty memory or they changed it. Probably had to have one of their fangled business accounts. |
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| 11:06.50 | roger21 | like who use/need libicu48 for instance |
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| 11:07.05 | roger21 | on installed package only (i'm not greedy here) |
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| 11:07.44 | Vroomfondel | roger21: "apt-get remove" it and see what else will be automatically removed ? |
| 11:07.55 | roger21 | ah. ah. ah. |
| 11:08.14 | Okitain | Hey, so my NVRAM wiped for some reason, and I lost my EFI boot entries. |
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| 11:08.59 | Okitain | I managed to boot my system from an MBR-hosted GRUB, but it seems that the system doesn't recognize EFI variables that way |
| 11:09.16 | Okitain | is there any way it would, without booting from rEFInd? |
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| 11:09.50 | aphorise | What are issues with systemd in current wheezy? |
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| 11:20.39 | jelly-home | aphorise: it's "technology preview" in wheezy, don't expect it to work properly at all |
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| 11:21.01 | jelly-home | aphorise: the version from wheezy-backports _may_ be a bit better |
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| 11:21.25 | aleray | when ill jessie be released? |
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| 11:21.29 | aleray | *will |
| 11:22.46 | jelly-home | !wwjr |
| 11:22.46 | dpkg | I have no idea when Debian 8.0 "Jessie" will release -- when it's ready, I guess, but I do know about the <jessie freeze>. For user contributed guesses on when it will release, ask me about <jessie pool 1>. See also <release goals>, <wir>. |
| 11:23.21 | aleray | thxs |
| 11:23.48 | roger21 | is there a command to find identical line between 2 files? |
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| 11:25.08 | ChrisH | roger21: like inverted diff? |
| 11:25.16 | roger21 | yup |
| 11:25.19 | roger21 | well |
| 11:25.22 | roger21 | err |
| 11:25.41 | roger21 | maybe |
| 11:26.39 | ChrisH | roger21: unless you do not know what you need, noone can suggest anything :) But I do not know an inverted-diff command. |
| 11:27.03 | roger21 | comm |
| 11:27.11 | roger21 | google knows |
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| 11:27.46 | roger21 | comm -1 -2 with a sort before |
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| 11:28.21 | auscompgeek | ah yes, the forever useful but little known comm |
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| 11:29.06 | ChrisH | learned a new one after abt. 20 years of Linux. thanks |
| 11:30.02 | roger21 | apt-cache rdepends libicu48 | tail --lines=+3 | cut -d " " -f 3 | sort > a.txt ; dpkg -l | tail --lines=+6 | cut -d " " -f 3 | sort > b.txt ; comm -1 -2 a.txt b.txt ; rm a.txt b.txt |
| 11:30.27 | auscompgeek | jesus christ |
| 11:30.43 | Vroomfondel | heh... I've not come across that one |
| 11:30.56 | auscompgeek | roger21: you do know about the <( ... ) operator in bash, right? |
| 11:30.57 | Vroomfondel | for years I've been faking it using sort/uniq/grep/etc. and a bunch of intermediate files |
| 11:31.16 | aphorise | If I do "export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive" will there is less input & verbose during things like "apt-get" ? |
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| 11:31.57 | roger21 | you do not want less verbose or input during apt-get :o |
| 11:32.34 | roger21 | auscompgeek, how do you rewrite it with < ? |
| 11:32.38 | aphorise | roger21 logs are over-filled would like to get just errors only |
| 11:32.54 | roger21 | oh logs... |
| 11:33.07 | nse | My weather data close to the clock in gnome 3 is very poor in precision. How can I get something that functions properly? |
| 11:33.16 | auscompgeek | roger21: comm -1 -2 <(command1) <(command2) |
| 11:34.25 | roger21 | hummf commands on input instead of file seems prone to fuckup |
| 11:35.11 | roger21 | aphorise, if it is space issue logrotate is your friend, if it is for readability/relevant info well logrotate wont help |
| 11:36.08 | roger21 | nse do you have ntp installed? |
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| 11:37.00 | rgr | nse: your location is set properl? You're sure "precision" is the correct meaning? |
| 11:38.10 | roger21 | i can't use a parameter in an alias unles it goes last, right (i have tu use a function) |
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| 11:38.54 | rgr | what do you mean "in an alias"? You mean referncing by name an alias in a bash script? |
| 11:39.51 | nse | roger21: No. Do I need this package? |
| 11:40.18 | roger21 | you do |
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| 11:40.36 | roger21 | it synchronise you system clock to an ntp server |
| 11:40.45 | roger21 | +s+r |
| 11:41.26 | nse | rgr: Yes. I am in Brazil and I said that during the installation process. My city is Recife and I said that to the weather software. |
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| 11:41.35 | librelove | any hot debian girl ? |
| 11:41.58 | nse | roger21: Ok. I will install it right now. What do you mean by "+s+r"? |
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| 11:42.51 | roger21 | i typoed missing an s and an r so i added then ... |
| 11:43.39 | nse | roger21: Ok. |
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| 11:44.23 | nse | rgr: Sorry for not answering your second question. Yes, I am sure. The weather data says the sky is clear and there is a lot of clouds here. |
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| 11:48.12 | trewas | nse: most of the data gnome weather (and anything else showing current weather) comes from airports and they don't care if there are clouds above 5000 feet, because it doesn't matter for landing planes |
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| 11:49.57 | nse | trewas: I understand now. That is ugly. I won't have my weather working properly. But, that's life. |
| 11:49.58 | Marco_77bdt | Hi |
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| 11:51.20 | auscompgeek | roger21: nse doesn't necessarily need ntp... s/he's asking about the weather data shown in GNOME |
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| 11:52.19 | roger21 | oh .. you're right |
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| 11:52.23 | roger21 | ... well |
| 11:52.29 | nse | Well, ntp is already installed by now. But it looks like a good program. Having your clock more precise is something good. |
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| 11:53.27 | roger21 | (don't trust someone that can't write proper english, he can't understand it either ..) |
| 11:54.41 | xreal | Does Debian have a "LANGUAGE" entry in locale? |
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| 11:55.13 | ChrisH | xreal: run locale and check the output |
| 11:55.26 | xreal | ChrisH: here it doesn't. could you run it please? |
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| 11:56.52 | ChrisH | xreal: I have it on Wheezy and jessie... man locale does not name it |
| 11:57.08 | xreal | ChrisH: so it's empty? |
| 11:57.45 | ChrisH | LANGUAGE= |
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| 11:58.12 | xreal | ChrisH: interesting, thx |
| 11:58.17 | CrowX- | is installing with pip as a root ok? |
| 12:00.07 | Vroomfondel | CrowX-: should be fine, as long as you trust the package |
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| 12:06.02 | xreal | What's the debian style to stop services? /etc/init.d/... stop or service ... stop or invoke... ? |
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| 12:07.09 | grobda24 | xreal ... "sudo service <service-name> command" command = stop,start.restart ... |
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| 12:09.38 | xreal | grobda24: will it keep working with systemd? |
| 12:10.00 | grobda24 | xreal, sorry, no idea |
| 12:10.10 | xreal | grobda24: I hate changes :D |
| 12:10.36 | valdyn | xreal: it works right now with systemd |
| 12:10.46 | xreal | valdyn: nice, thanks |
| 12:10.53 | xreal | So /etc/init.d/ is outdated? |
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| 12:11.14 | valdyn | xreal: it still works |
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| 12:11.44 | valdyn | xreal: but it wont work for services that only have the systemd service file |
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| 12:12.07 | xreal | valdyn: oh my... much things to read soon :) |
| 12:12.29 | valdyn | xreal: systemctl restart <service>, not a big change |
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| 12:13.28 | xreal | valdyn: okay |
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| 12:22.31 | carnau | I have a process that is generating a lot of files on my root directory. All called start.*, processs.* and finished.*. Anyone know which daemon could be? |
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| 12:23.39 | carnau | All the files have the text 'ok' inside them |
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| 12:27.44 | amizya | Hello guys, any one can tell me why pybuild takes python3 istead of the specified python version, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c6ef1c02/ ? |
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| 13:06.14 | baum | uhm, how do you folks work with multiple screens? Would it make sense to have 1 virtual desktop per monitor? |
| 13:06.46 | tomodachi | baum: you can get this feature by running multiple x server, one per monitor |
| 13:07.05 | tomodachi | of course you wont be able to move applications between each monitor, just mouse / keyboard |
| 13:07.26 | baum | tomodachi: the question is: would it make sense? |
| 13:07.30 | tomodachi | but personally i think it just gets to complicated with such a setup |
| 13:07.44 | tomodachi | just to many desktops to keep in memory |
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| 13:09.37 | baum | tomodachi: uhm, alright thanks, kinda sad that kde doesn't seem to support this on it's own - i mean wouldn't it be cool to cycle between the sub-screens and the main monitor? :) |
| 13:10.05 | TmC_ | it works great with gnome, IÂ do believe it can work the same with kde |
| 13:10.59 | TmC_ | no need to make 1 virtual desktop by monitor, just set up a multiple screen through xorg and it's fine |
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| 13:15.09 | baum | TmC_: uhm thanks, looking into it |
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| 13:15.49 | TmC_ | baum:Â for the moving windows from one screen to another, you can look into xinerama |
| 13:15.53 | arcsky | what is the best solution for fileshare over internet ? smb,iscsi,nfs or anything other? |
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| 13:16.59 | TmC_ | arcsky:Â over internet none of the above, what you link is intended for private network for security reason |
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| 13:18.26 | TmC_ | arcsky: for internet, FTP can suit your need but in term of security, it's not the best either |
| 13:18.47 | baum | TmC_: thanks - looking into it |
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| 13:19.28 | iateadonut | i've been trying to extract the contents of a .syn file. it is a dictionary synonym file for stardict. |
| 13:19.56 | iateadonut | all the info is here |
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| 13:20.17 | iateadonut | when i try to output it with the 'head' command, it gives me lines like: ...�ê°íì ì¼ê±°ì¼ï¿½ê°íì ì¼ê±°ìì... |
| 13:20.32 | iateadonut | but i'd like to view the file without all those � squares. |
| 13:20.44 | iateadonut | that's a question mark, at least that's how it shows to me. |
| 13:20.57 | iateadonut | i tried the 'strings' command, which didn't work. |
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| 13:21.32 | xreal | Anyone with an idea, why setting my console-data doesn't work? http://pastie.org/pastes/9862218/text |
| 13:21.33 | iateadonut | when i grep for a particular korean word that i know is in there, it says "Binary file Babylon_Korean_English.syn matches" but does not give me all the information i need. |
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| 13:23.55 | arcsky | TmC_: over a IPsec tunnel |
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| 13:24.37 | TmC_ | arcsky: if windows client are in the equation, go with smb |
| 13:24.45 | arcsky | linux |
| 13:24.48 | TmC_ | arcsky: ifnot, my pref goes to nfs |
| 13:24.52 | arcsky | ok |
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| 13:25.20 | TmC_ | arcsky: so simple to install and use and works great, just be carefull to set the root squash |
| 13:25.35 | arcsky | ok |
| 13:25.37 | arcsky | thx |
| 13:25.47 | TmC_ | arcsky: you're wellcome |
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| 13:50.03 | MadHatter42 | what can I use to automate the installation and basic configs of 100 pcs with debian |
| 13:50.04 | MadHatter42 | ? |
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| 13:51.15 | Sander^work | I've added a daily logroate, but it dosnt rotate. is there a way to start it? |
| 13:51.34 | Brigo | Sander^work, try to reload the logrotate daemon |
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| 13:52.26 | Sander^work | Brigo, whats the command? as I cant find that service under /etc/init.d/ |
| 13:52.44 | Brigo | Sander^work, are you in wheezy or jessie with systemd? |
| 13:53.16 | Sander^work | jessie |
| 13:53.39 | Brigo | Sander^work, it is not a daemon, sorry it is a crond service |
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| 13:53.55 | Brigo | did you try man logrotate? |
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| 13:55.05 | Brigo | MadHatter42, fai or preseed |
| 13:55.21 | MadHatter42 | any examples with pxe ? |
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| 13:55.59 | Brigo | MadHatter42, ask google, i have never used them |
| 13:56.05 | Brigo | !tell MadHatter42 about preseeding |
| 13:56.11 | Brigo | !tell MadHatter42 about fai |
| 13:56.11 | abrotman | MadHatter42: Have you read up on FAI yet. |
| 13:56.12 | abrotman | ? |
| 13:56.23 | MadHatter42 | i saw some kickstarter files |
| 13:56.32 | MadHatter42 | but i'll have a look at it now |
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| 13:58.08 | Sander^work | Brigo, error: skipping "/var/log/syslog" because parent directory has insecure permissions (It's world writable or writable by group which is not "root") Set "su" directive in config file to tell logrotate which user/group should be used for rotation.... group is "adm" |
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| 13:59.14 | Brigo | Sander^work, did you touch /var/log directory? |
| 13:59.30 | Sander^work | Brigo, no. |
| 13:59.40 | Brigo | Sander^work, who then? :D |
| 14:00.01 | YulievSakarov | Do we have a definitive list of available Desktop Environments for Jessie yet? |
| 14:00.20 | Sander^work | Brigo, in logrotate.conf it says group syslog.. but the real group is adm. |
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| 14:00.23 | abrotman | YulievSakarov: packages.debian.org would be a better place to start |
| 14:00.30 | abrotman | or maybe the debtags search |
| 14:00.59 | Brigo | Sander^work, you are talking about users and groups, the error talks about permissions. Who can do what. |
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| 14:01.25 | jelly-home | Sander^work: show ls -ld /var/log |
| 14:01.33 | YulievSakarov | I want my gnome classic (fallback, flashback whatever)!! |
| 14:01.58 | Sander^work | jelly-home, drwxrwxr-x 10 root syslog 4096 jan. 26 09:30 /var/log |
| 14:02.09 | Brigo | if i do ' ls -l /var/' i get a line (betwen others) drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 28672 ene 26 13:31 log |
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| 14:02.19 | Brigo | Sander^work, too much w |
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| 14:02.26 | jelly-home | Sander^work: can you get rid of group write permission there? And what is "syslog" group? |
| 14:02.48 | abrotman | YulievSakarov: okay, it has that .. anyting else? |
| 14:02.53 | jelly-home | Sander^work: this is default: drwxr-xr-x 39 root root 20480 Jan 26 08:12 /var/log |
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| 14:03.07 | YulievSakarov | abrotman: hum, does it have MATE too? |
| 14:03.28 | abdo_jado | alsalamu alaikum brothers |
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| 14:03.40 | abdo_jado | can i ask for help for a moment |
| 14:03.46 | jelly-home | ,v mate-desktop |
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| 14:03.47 | judd | Package: mate-desktop on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.8.1+dfsg1-2; sid: 1.8.1+dfsg1-2 |
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| 14:03.53 | jelly-home | YulievSakarov: yes |
| 14:04.17 | abdo_jado | how to creat local repo on debian |
| 14:04.33 | abdo_jado | also where is the Packages folder on debian dvd |
| 14:04.48 | Sander^work | jelly-home, thanks alot, it worked to logrotate -f now:) |
| 14:04.59 | abrotman | YulievSakarov: packages.debian.org, don't ask me to do your simple research for you |
| 14:05.24 | jelly-home | abdo_jado: hm. Read /msg dpkg own repo, and maybe /msg dpkg reprepro |
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| 14:06.09 | jelly-home | Sander^work: whoever set this up may have done it for a reason, so you'll probably want to investigate more |
| 14:06.21 | YulievSakarov | yea abrotman :) |
| 14:06.49 | abdo_jado | abrotman will sorry >>> i have no internet that's why i came here |
| 14:07.00 | Sander^work | jelly-home, I installed syslog-ng. |
| 14:07.07 | abrotman | wonders what abdo_jado is on about .. |
| 14:07.17 | YulievSakarov | Now, should I use MATE or Gnome Classic? That's another big dilemma I'll have to struggle for some time... |
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| 14:07.31 | jelly-home | YulievSakarov: Try It And See |
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| 14:09.22 | YulievSakarov | jelly-home: what would u use? |
| 14:10.13 | xreal | Yipee, I've found a bug in Debian :D |
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| 14:12.34 | jelly-home | YulievSakarov: I don't use Gnome of any kind, sorry |
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| 14:16.29 | zerophan | a |
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| 14:17.43 | xreal | Does anyone have a second to reproduce the bug, I've found ? |
| 14:17.54 | abrotman | xreal: Check the BTS first |
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| 14:18.07 | xreal | abrotman: bug tracking system? |
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| 14:18.39 | danillo10 | in shell script 1 = false and 0 = true ? |
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| 14:19.09 | linostar | that sound like a shell environment written by Microsoft |
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| 14:20.01 | jelly-home | danillo10: that's true for process exit statuses. Otherwise, it depends on the particular test used |
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| 14:21.57 | danillo10 | jelly-home, curso=curso return 0 why ? |
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| 14:22.41 | jelly-home | danillo10: can you show the complete line? |
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| 14:22.54 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 14:22.55 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:23.00 | danillo10 | jelly-home, curso=curso; echo $? |
| 14:23.16 | iateadonut | when i grep for a particular string in a file, the response is "Binary file *.syn matches" - my question is how can i convert that binary file into a text file? |
| 14:23.19 | jelly-home | danillo10: that's not a test, that's variable assignment. |
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| 14:24.03 | jelly-home | danillo10: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide read about variables, and tests and conditionals |
| 14:24.16 | danillo10 | jelly-home, ok thanks |
| 14:25.25 | jelly-home | danillo10: esp. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/TestsAndConditionals#Conditional_Blocks_.28if.2C_test_and_.5B.5B.29 I guess |
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| 14:32.27 | RoyK | any idea why clamd isn't in debian? |
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| 14:34.03 | ChrisH | ,v clamav-daemon |
| 14:34.05 | judd | Package: clamav-daemon on i386 -- squeeze: 0.98.1+dfsg-1+deb6u3; squeeze-security-lts: 0.98.1+dfsg-1+deb6u4; wheezy-updates: 0.98.5+dfsg-0+deb7u1; wheezy: 0.98.5+dfsg-0+deb7u2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 0.98.5+dfsg-0+deb7u3; jessie: 0.98.5+dfsg-3; sid: 0.98.5+dfsg-3 |
| 14:34.07 | jelly-home | RoyK: it is. |
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| 14:34.59 | RoyK | jelly-home: doh - I was looking for clamav-server, as it's called in RHEL land - thanks |
| 14:35.24 | jelly-home | RoyK: apt-cache search clamav (or other keyword) |
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| 14:36.37 | nomis | hi all. I use debian unstable and am currently searching for the place where udev stores the association between a specific dongle and the ttyACM<x> number. |
| 14:36.55 | nomis | I have exactly one usb dongle attached and it shows up as /dev/ttyACM18. Why? |
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| 14:38.00 | xreal | This is the bug I've found: http://pastie.org/pastes/9862414/text |
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| 14:46.42 | ychaouche | Hello |
| 14:46.56 | ychaouche | I have a postfix installed on my system but I can't find the nodup daemon. |
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| 14:47.40 | jelly-home | ychaouche: what is "nodup"? |
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| 14:48.47 | abrotman | xreal: that's not demonstrating any bug .. HAND |
| 14:49.08 | xreal | abrotman: why? debconf works that way. |
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| 14:49.47 | ychaouche | jelly-home: It seems to be part of postfix. It's a daemon that removes duplicate messages. |
| 14:49.59 | jelly-home | ychaouche: I've never heard of it. |
| 14:50.25 | ychaouche | saw it mentionned here : http://osdir.com/ml/mail.postfix.devel/2007-05/msg00008.html |
| 14:50.32 | jelly-home | and I've been using postfix for a couple years now. Can you find a reference to nodup in official docs? |
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| 14:50.42 | ychaouche | and also here : https://www.centos.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19891#p93713 |
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| 14:51.49 | jelly-home | ychaouche: even if it existed at 2.5 time, it doesn't now |
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| 14:52.05 | woshty | why do I have to use apt-get for downgrading from jessie to wheezy? aptitude does not want to do anything, are they not supposed to work independently now? |
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| 14:53.17 | jelly-home | woshty: downgrading isn't really supported at all, so it's not surprising that tools behave weirdly when you attempt it |
| 14:53.25 | xreal | abrotman: I am really interested in your answer. |
| 14:53.39 | abrotman | xreal: where's the bug? |
| 14:53.56 | xreal | abrotman: It shows "none", but should show "de-latin1". |
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| 14:54.13 | jelly-home | woshty: I'm guessing you might be able to do "aptitude install foo=particularversion" regardless of that, but backpedaling the whole release? |
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| 14:55.29 | abrotman | xreal: why do you think that? |
| 14:55.59 | xreal | abrotman: Why do you ask that? I know that you know what debconf is and how it works. |
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| 14:56.12 | woshty | jelly-home: fglrx-legacy got dropped from testing. so I am moving back to stable. it seems changing the sources.list, pinning and running apt-get works fine so far. It is not a system I am using for anything at the moment, just want video acceleration. |
| 14:56.24 | ychaouche | jelly-home: oh, according to this http://postfix.1071664.n5.nabble.com/postfix-nodup-daemon-configuration-tp40410p40411.html it was a proposed featured that never got implemented. |
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| 14:58.20 | jelly-home | woshty: I'd say, backup your data, reinstall and put data back |
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| 15:09.01 | ROG3R | wire connection in vmware virtual machine discconects at random. why? |
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| 15:10.14 | MadHatter42 | ROG3R, can you be more generic ? |
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| 15:11.36 | roger21 | my faillog doesn't have any faillog info (all the dates are at epoch), any idea on why, is it disabled or something? |
| 15:11.41 | roger21 | my lastlog is ok |
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| 15:11.51 | ROG3R | MadHatter42: I run debian as host and mint as virtual machine under vmware. the internet in mint drops at random times. while the host is still connected to the internet no roblems |
| 15:12.00 | roger21 | never checked it before |
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| 15:12.34 | MadHatter42 | under vmware |
| 15:12.35 | MadHatter42 | hmmm |
| 15:12.45 | MadHatter42 | do you have logs of any kind ? |
| 15:12.52 | jelly-home | ROG3R: vmware workstation? Do you see link loss inside the guest or what? Do you see anything in the logs on the guest? |
| 15:12.59 | MadHatter42 | your dmesg |
| 15:13.04 | MadHatter42 | or syslog |
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| 15:13.58 | ROG3R | jelly-home: I also ave workstation installed. it just so happens I am using vmware player more often... |
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| 15:15.30 | jelly-home | oh right, player is the free (0 cost) one |
| 15:15.58 | jelly-home | only works with vSphere and ESXi these days |
| 15:16.06 | ROG3R | MadHatter42: http://paste.debian.net/142339/ |
| 15:16.29 | ROG3R | jelly-home: how those work out for you? |
| 15:16.53 | jelly-home | ROG3R: very, very well |
| 15:17.14 | ROG3R | jelly-home: which os the two would you recommend to me? |
| 15:17.23 | jelly-home | but they're for my employer, not me |
| 15:17.31 | MadHatter42 | I would suggest KVM or PROXMOX |
| 15:17.42 | MadHatter42 | pure KVM * or proxmox |
| 15:17.44 | jelly-home | ROG3R: depends on your needs and your budget |
| 15:17.52 | MadHatter42 | dontn waste your time with that |
| 15:18.00 | MadHatter42 | but try tweaking the settings |
| 15:18.10 | MadHatter42 | i think its a kernel issue |
| 15:18.20 | MadHatter42 | happens often |
| 15:18.21 | ROG3R | I see |
| 15:18.22 | jelly-home | kvm is 5 years behind in features and stability |
| 15:18.35 | mjt | stability? |
| 15:18.39 | MadHatter42 | LOLZ |
| 15:18.44 | MadHatter42 | how is that ? |
| 15:18.47 | MadHatter42 | in features maybe |
| 15:19.00 | MadHatter42 | but stability ,, well I dont quite agree |
| 15:19.03 | MadHatter42 | anyway |
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| 15:19.15 | MadHatter42 | i've been using it and i've never had issues |
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| 15:19.28 | MadHatter42 | but maybe thats just me |
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| 15:26.08 | wjtaylor | how do I disable that awful ctrl reload key... that's just stupid. |
| 15:26.12 | mjt | it is interesting how different people think about different solutions. I've seen similar statements about qemu/kvm, vbox and vmware in all directions. Like "Solution A is way superior to solutions B and C in <whatever>", with A, B and C being any permutations of the 3 products... |
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| 15:28.26 | mjt | ctrl reload key? |
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| 15:29.24 | elb | I think it depends a lot on specific work loads and needs |
| 15:29.30 | elb | generalizations lead to contradictions |
| 15:29.44 | roger21 | so faillog doesn't works |
| 15:29.54 | elb | of course, anyone who says vbox is better was simply unwilling to pay for vmware ;-) |
| 15:30.00 | roger21 | can smbd do a failog -a |
| 15:30.05 | roger21 | faillog* |
| 15:30.29 | roger21 | and see if he has something else then epoch as the date |
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| 15:31.51 | roger21 | or not |
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| 15:32.54 | ntz | hello |
| 15:33.30 | ntz | I have simple question about debian way of doing it (i'm not any specific familiar with debian): |
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| 15:34.20 | ntz | I have here a webserver that runs under nobody user (nogroup) .. its ssl certs are owned by root with 755 |
| 15:34.56 | ntz | it doesn't sound sane to me .. I'm changing the cert, so I'd guess that saner setup will be root:nogroup 750 |
| 15:35.17 | mjt | that's a bit saner yes, but it is still insane :) |
| 15:35.35 | mjt | and it has nothing to do with debian really, there's no "debian-specific way" of doing that |
| 15:35.35 | ntz | mjt: thanks, and your "offer" ? |
| 15:36.01 | mjt | webserver runs as nobody (or http or whatever else user), but it _starts_ as root |
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| 15:36.50 | mjt | that to say, it can read the certs at startup before dropping root |
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| 15:37.15 | ntz | but nobody should have had a backward write access to the file .. fairly, I usually leave selinux to do the job for me but there's no selinux :( |
| 15:37.32 | ntz | I checked this, selinux won't let httpd to overwrite its certs |
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| 15:37.58 | mjt | it's not about overwriting, it is about stealing them too |
| 15:38.08 | ntz | so I was always just lazy, so I'd guess here in debian I have to set them root:nogroup 750 if the nobody:nogroup starts the process |
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| 15:38.24 | mjt | root starts the process |
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| 15:38.39 | ntz | mjt: okay, so it will work with root:root 700 ? |
| 15:38.45 | mjt | should work, yes |
| 15:38.59 | ntz | good, that's something new I've learned if it's right |
| 15:39.00 | likecolacola | Hey... is it truth that debian users don't usually make use of sudo ? |
| 15:39.02 | ntz | thanks !!!\ |
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| 15:40.11 | Allanis | likecolacola: I guess it depends on what you are doing. If I only need root to do one or two things, then I'll use sudo. If I'm going to need root a short while I'll sudo su - |
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| 15:41.41 | likecolacola | Allanis, an "authority" just claimed that in contrast to Ubuntu, Debian users did not make use of sudo as a general rule |
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| 15:42.30 | Allanis | likecolacola: I actually don't see problem? |
| 15:42.39 | likecolacola | which i find a non sense, i use debian as developing plataform and don't see how it changes between debian & ubuntu |
| 15:42.39 | Allanis | Are you asking whether it's bad practice? |
| 15:43.11 | likecolacola | He stated that debian machines didn't make an use of sudo, that's all.. |
| 15:43.12 | heurist | likecolacola: debian does not make "compulsory" use of sudo - like ubuntu does - if you set a root password during install then it does not even install sudo. but if you leave the root password blank during install it installs sudo and sets it up much like ubuntu |
| 15:43.19 | likecolacola | and i want to know whenever that's right or wrong :P |
| 15:43.40 | likecolacola | heurist, ok |
| 15:44.06 | heurist | likecolacola: debian is about giving you the choice, ubuntu is about making the choices for you. |
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| 15:44.41 | heurist | Allanis: use sudo -i instead of sudo su - (: |
| 15:45.39 | likecolacola | heurist, let's say you're a developer... it's very convenient to use a normal user but you also need root privileges on a daily basis for certain things... i don't agree with my "teacher" saying that the use of sudo is different than in ubuntu |
| 15:46.27 | Allanis | heurist: "Debian is about giving you choice." :P |
| 15:46.40 | Allanis | But please, tell me why the preference over -i. |
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| 15:46.50 | heurist | likecolacola: no, it is not different. sudo is used for the same thing in both systems. sudo is a good idea, use it. |
| 15:46.53 | jhutchins_wk | The advantage of sudo is that if properly configured and used it logs any elevated access. |
| 15:47.23 | jhutchins_wk | In the default configuration, and without anybody auditing the logs it really doesn't matter. |
| 15:47.43 | jhutchins_wk | Secure administration isn't a one-item thing. |
| 15:47.43 | heurist | Allanis: sudo -i only uses one program to achieve the same things that sudo su - uses two to do, the su - is redundant since you are already root after the sudo |
| 15:47.44 | jhutchins_wk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:48.37 | likecolacola | jhutchins_wk, thanks |
| 15:48.42 | Allanis | heurist: The sudoers file can "decide" stuff over you env variables, but "su -" will always give you the same env, no matter what. |
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| 15:49.17 | heurist | Allanis: which is bad. let suderes have the control (: |
| 15:50.00 | phy1729 | heurist: why sudo -i and not sudo -s ? |
| 15:50.15 | heurist | phy1729: login shell vs regular shell. |
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| 15:54.06 | Allanis | heurist: Mind explaining why it's bad? I have used this method for many years, and never saw a problem. (But I have also never been told of the benefits of another way). |
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| 15:55.07 | ksk | hey guys. if i Install some package, lets say nginx, can I somehow tell apt to not start the service? |
| 15:55.31 | ksk | (as that fails on this machine, and is not needed, but installation end with an error) |
| 15:55.40 | Allanis | The only reason I could think of, is that the variables from the your current session are still present, so that could cause information to leak to another user. |
| 15:55.56 | heurist | Allanis: sudo sanitizes the environment for a reason. you can set it to behave like su in that regard if you want. but there are security issues with leaking a users envvars to root. ld preload stuff and such can be very scary. |
| 15:55.57 | jeivy | ksk: no |
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| 15:56.09 | jeivy | you have to install and run rcconf |
| 15:56.59 | Allanis | But if I had to worry about information leaks, I shouldn't have my hands on this machine in the first place. ;P |
| 15:57.02 | jhutchins_wk | ksk: Depends on the package. The current standard is to enable it in the startup files but use a control file in /etc/sysconfig or /etc/defaults to keep it from starting. Some pacakges follow this, some don't. |
| 15:57.33 | ksk | good point jhutchins_wk, thanks! |
| 15:58.57 | heurist | Allanis: not information leaks, security issues. if an attacker compromises an account that can do anything via sudo and can set LD_PRELOAD and such they could make that allowed sudo action run something malicious instead. |
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| 15:59.51 | iveevue | When is Jessie expected to be released? |
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| 16:00.43 | centrx | iveevue, this year sometime |
| 16:01.18 | roger21 | faillog -a anybody |
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| 16:02.44 | roger21 | nobody really |
| 16:03.07 | Allanis | heurist: I just compared both environment variables, and sudo -i poisond my environment with stuff about the user who I was running before sudo. :P |
| 16:03.34 | heurist | Allanis: and what was different? also not sure why I am mentioning ld preload stuff, simpler to say: if a user can change the PATH and then run a command via sudo they can make it run the one they have created in their home or in /tmp or somewhere. That is a simpler example of the risk. |
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| 16:05.31 | Allanis | I think I still prefer su -, it's nice and clean, and there is no evidence that I was "allanis" or whomever, so whatever I run, will run as root without differentiating between root(allanis). |
| 16:05.35 | jhutchins_wk | heurist: Allanis This really isn't a debian support question. While it's been discussed endlessly in forums and mailing lists all over the net, you're welcome to go over the ground in some other channel. |
| 16:05.55 | heurist | jhutchins_wk: agreed |
| 16:06.11 | Allanis | Sorry jhutchins_wk, I was simply finding out why most people hated su -. |
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| 16:06.52 | heurist | Allanis: not hate, just redundant. (: google has lots to say about it (probably) |
| 16:07.31 | Allanis | Ok, thanks for the info. :) |
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| 16:24.02 | rgr | a lot about it not being redundant too. |
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| 16:34.19 | DacFarren | hey... is there a way to install debian by mounting the iso into a hdd partition? |
| 16:34.28 | DacFarren | and use that location to install? |
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| 16:35.36 | elb | I don't think most BIOS can boot to an ISO on a hdd partition, but you can try dd'ing the image to a hdd partition on a legacy partition drive and setting the partition bootable |
| 16:35.42 | elb | that said ... what are you actually trying to accomplish? |
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| 16:36.12 | elb | and is it possible that debootstrap might help here? |
| 16:36.20 | DacFarren | elb: dont have CD or Pendrive to burn an iso... and want to reinstall debian |
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| 16:37.13 | LinuxGold | where can I find qt5.4 pacakge for deb? |
| 16:37.22 | elb | do you have an unused partition with sufficient free space for the new install? |
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| 16:37.27 | elb | if so, you can debootstrap that |
| 16:37.40 | DacFarren | allright, looking into it |
| 16:37.55 | heurist | DacFarren: grub can (theoretically) boot from an iso, if you have grub installed it should not be too hard to get that going. |
| 16:38.01 | elb | you'll probably have to do a little bit of work to get the bootloader going |
| 16:38.29 | elb | heurist makes a good point, and that may (or may not) be easier |
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| 17:11.35 | jhutchins_wk | shay_shay: Should be configurable. |
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| 17:12.25 | b00mba | hello |
| 17:12.53 | b00mba | i was wondering - i have a startup/shutdown script that i wrote for fedora that i want to use on debian - but i cant figure out how to turn it on via update-rc.d - can anyone give some insight |
| 17:13.22 | jhutchins_wk | b00mba: Does it have LSB headers? |
| 17:13.52 | b00mba | no |
| 17:13.57 | b00mba | do i need lsb headers |
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| 17:29.41 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: submit package |
| 17:29.41 | dpkg | DelphiWorld: i haven't a clue |
| 17:29.59 | DelphiWorld | anyone have any package submiting tutorial? |
| 17:30.04 | centrx | !nmg |
| 17:30.04 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 17:30.40 | DelphiWorld | centrx: thxxxxxxxxxx |
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| 17:57.56 | jhutchins_wk | b00mba: It will certainly work better with LSB headers. There's a template in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 18:24.59 | zakaria | kuramanga |
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| 18:26.11 | jelly-home | zakaria: do you have a debian support question? |
| 18:26.27 | zakaria | Not yeat, thanks a lot |
| 18:26.38 | zakaria | I'm looking for kura |
| 18:26.47 | jelly-home | keep quiet, then, please |
| 18:27.26 | centrx | keep it down over there! I'm trying to hack the mainframe |
| 18:27.38 | zakaria | I'm sorry, |
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| 18:28.16 | centrx | you're forgiven |
| 18:28.17 | centrx | !debian |
| 18:28.18 | dpkg | debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 18:28.46 | zakaria | Thanks a lot, ;) |
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| 18:45.42 | alimj | Hello. Good evening. Help needed to learn some advance iptables features. |
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| 18:46.48 | alimj | I am would like to educate myself with transparent proxy, using TOR with iptables (or SSH Socks) and other stuff |
| 18:47.23 | alimj | Currently my setup is two NICs on (on Raspberry PI) |
| 18:47.53 | alimj | I successfully configured isc-dhcp-server on the 2nd nic, hostapd and basic iptables |
| 18:48.51 | alimj | dhcpd and hostapd are easy but I would like to further educate myself with iptables advance features |
| 18:49.21 | alimj | Anyone knows a good reference? |
| 18:51.55 | centrx | alimj, http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.firewall-packet-filtering.html |
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| 18:53.20 | alimj | centrx: Thanks |
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| 19:10.07 | xreal | frostschutz: Can you read the German language? |
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| 19:18.25 | no_gravity | hello! the internet connection on my debian machine became strangely laggy. how would you guys go about finding the reason? |
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| 19:19.26 | squisher | no_gravity, mtr is a nice traceroute tool. Ping some server with it that you know has good responsiveness and then see where the lag is coming from |
| 19:20.11 | squisher | btw, I find its text gui much nicer than the graphical one, so use -t |
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| 19:21.44 | no_gravity | squisher: looks like there is no mtr on it. any tool that is there by default? |
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| 19:22.55 | squisher | well, it's just one apt-get away. But traceroute is probably installed by default, it's just not as good a tool ;-) |
| 19:23.19 | no_gravity | squisher: ok, so i just "traceroute google.com"? |
| 19:23.20 | Damiox | I found in internet a pkg I would like to install, it's a .deb file. I'm not sure if this pkg may create a dependency conflict with other pkgs installed in the system... Any insight ? |
| 19:23.34 | centrx | Damiox, What is it? |
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| 19:23.46 | Damiox | it's a SSH connection manager called PAC |
| 19:24.16 | Damiox | It's developed with Perl/GTK based on what the author said... I just downloaded a .deb file from his webpage |
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| 19:24.48 | squisher | no_gravity, yes |
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| 19:25.44 | no_gravity | squisher: ok. it spits out ip addreses and ms numbers... |
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| 19:25.50 | no_gravity | squisher: what am i looking for? |
| 19:26.13 | centrx | Damiox, Personally, I would compile it from source into a deb package, or put binary in home directory |
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| 19:28.07 | no_gravity | squisher: "traceroute google.com" spit out 13 ip addresses and is finished. |
| 19:28.58 | ArchDuke | Is there a way to wget a backup for a php site with dynamic links without inadvertantly downloading the same page 100's of times? |
| 19:29.29 | no_gravity | ArchDuke: not sure, what you mean |
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| 19:30.12 | squisher | no_gravity, it tells you how long pings take to each host on your way to google.com. 3 is rather short, that's good in general but will make it more difficult to spot outliers. mtr will be much nicer because it continously checks and gives you more stats |
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| 19:30.55 | squisher | in general I'd expect a broadband connection to have a ping around 30 to google (from the us) |
| 19:31.30 | no_gravity | squisher: the problem is probably not on some computer between me and google. because my other computer behind the same router is acting just fine. |
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| 19:32.37 | squisher | no_gravity, ah ok. Hm, then it gets a bit more complicated. |
| 19:33.14 | squisher | how do you notice the lag? |
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| 19:33.42 | jhutchins_wk | 2I get ~22ms on both 4 & 6, and I'm on google fiber. |
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| 19:34.50 | no_gravity | squisher: it hangs for several seconds. several times per minute. |
| 19:35.47 | squisher | jhutchins_wk, show off :P |
| 19:36.14 | squisher | no_gravity, when it hangs, switch to a terminal and ping your router's ip |
| 19:36.31 | squisher | check dmesg too |
| 19:36.38 | no_gravity | squisher: good idea |
| 19:36.48 | squisher | check ifconfig for errors on the interface |
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| 19:37.10 | squisher | (just to rub it in, mtr would have pinged the router for you ;-) |
| 19:38.40 | no_gravity | squisher: im getting packet loss on my way to the router! |
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| 19:40.09 | no_gravity | squisher: ifconfig shows errors? |
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| 19:42.52 | squisher | no_gravity, bad cable? |
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| 19:44.52 | no_gravity | squisher: its wlan |
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| 19:47.44 | squisher | uff, well, then there could be a bunch of other reasons like interference. If it's not a desktop, try moving it to another location and see if it persists. Sorry, I don't have a very good recipe for debugging wireless issues - still struggle with that myself |
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| 19:54.12 | xreal | frostschutz: can you read German? https://debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=153553 |
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| 19:56.58 | jhutchins_wk | no_gravity: That sounds like it could be DNS problems. |
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| 20:00.37 | no_gravity | looks like switching channels worked! |
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| 20:01.10 | squisher | if you have an android phone, there's a nice wifi scanner app that shows you how busy the individual channels are |
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| 20:02.10 | no_gravity | squisher: interesting. |
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| 20:04.26 | knosys | Hey guys I am having a problem with pulseAudio sound. Pavucontrol cant start, and I cant start start-pulseaudio-x11 manually, getting the error: Daemon startup failed. Ive got a monitor with speaker, pluged with hdmi, worked fine in wheezy |
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| 20:06.10 | jhutchins_wk | knosys: Congratulations! Your testing has successfully found a problem! |
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| 20:07.47 | knosys | Really? do you think its a version BUG of debian 8? |
| 20:08.08 | xreal | Please help me if you can read German: https://debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=153553 |
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| 20:08.25 | knosys | jhutchins_wk: Really? do you think its a version BUG of debian 8? |
| 20:08.29 | jhutchins_wk | !de |
| 20:08.29 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 20:09.01 | jhutchins_wk | knosys: Obviously it's at least a configurable problem. This is what testing is for! |
| 20:09.23 | jhutchins_wk | knosys: What did you find in the log files? |
| 20:09.31 | knosys | =P should I report it somewhere? |
| 20:09.49 | knosys | oh jhutchins_wk I will look at it right now |
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| 20:09.53 | knosys | its pulse server log files? |
| 20:10.32 | jhutchins_wk | knosys: The folks in #debian-next on oftc.net may be more familiar with the current foibles of testing and whether it's a known mode of failure. Pulse is having growing pains again. |
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| 20:11.16 | jhutchins_wk | knosys: You could find out which file it logs to by doing grep -ri pulse /var/log/* |
| 20:11.44 | knosys | oh thanks |
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| 20:12.42 | knosys | oooh its because a config i changed... |
| 20:12.47 | knosys | tsched = 0 |
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| 20:13.16 | knosys | trying to fix a "cracky" sound at start of every sound played in VLC or Skype |
| 20:13.36 | knosys | Failed to load module "module-udev-detect" (argument: "tsched = 0"): initialization failed. |
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| 20:15.02 | knosys | ok it was that |
| 20:15.31 | knosys | mmm where or how should I add the "tsched = 0" in the default.pa document? someone know about that fix? |
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| 20:16.54 | knosys | I did it wheezy because it was necesary, but in jessie I just did it automatically.., without even checking if it was necesary. I will just use the system without that fix and check if there are "cracky" sound problems this time again |
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| 20:19.38 | jhutchins_wk | knosys: Good problem solving. |
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| 20:28.39 | galex-713 | Hello |
| 20:28.53 | galex-713 | Iâm encountering issues with transmission-gtk |
| 20:29.22 | galex-713 | It stays at 0kb/s seeding/downloading, and freezes if I try to « start » something blocked |
| 20:29.42 | galex-713 | What should I do to diagnostize more accurately so you can better help me? |
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| 20:36.04 | goon__ | hi there, trying to remove libwinpr packages -removed wine- but I can't because apt/synatic wants to remove gnome etc with it :/ |
| 20:36.44 | Brigo | galex-713, launch ti from a terminal and check the terminal output |
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| 20:37.34 | Brigo | goon__, is it so important? |
| 20:38.15 | galex-713 | Brigo: ti? |
| 20:38.20 | galex-713 | You mean transmission-cli? |
| 20:38.30 | galex-713 | What command actually? |
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| 20:38.39 | goon__ | Brigo, hi, well useless libs are a plague |
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| 20:39.19 | Brigo | goon__, you can get rid of them with apt-get autoremove |
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| 20:39.33 | goon__ | Can live with it but I don't get why I wouldn't be able to remove everything I installed, why do those libs all of a sudden get linked to EVERYTHING in my system ;) |
| 20:39.45 | Brigo | and you can get a more acurate system with debfoster. |
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| 20:40.16 | Brigo | goon__, i guess everything in your system need them. |
| 20:40.35 | roger21 | i use xchat, should i switch to hexchat? |
| 20:40.39 | galex-713 | oh, it |
| 20:40.41 | galex-713 | >< |
| 20:40.47 | goon__ | Brigo, just installed them with wine to try a program |
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| 20:41.22 | Brigo | goon__, ok then, can you paste the output of the command you use to remove them? |
| 20:41.27 | galex-713 | Brigo: absolutely nothing |
| 20:41.28 | Brigo | in paste.debian.net, for example |
| 20:41.29 | galex-713 | No output |
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| 20:44.17 | Brigo | galex-713, are you in wheezy or jessie? |
| 20:44.56 | galex-713 | Brigo: Jessie |
| 20:45.08 | Brigo | then systemd? |
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| 20:45.26 | Brigo | did you check the logs, anyway? |
| 20:45.49 | galex-713 | Brigo: I donât know how to use anything of systemd :/ |
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| 20:45.57 | galex-713 | Iâm used to sysvinit >< |
| 20:46.02 | galex-713 | What logs? |
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| 20:46.28 | Brigo | galex-713, you should have syslog still available, but you can see the logs in "systemd way" with 'journald -b' |
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| 20:46.57 | Brigo | galex-713, sorry journalctl -b i meant :) |
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| 20:47.57 | galex-713 | It says "No journal files were found." |
| 20:48.21 | galex-713 | What arg/context should I run it with? |
| 20:48.46 | naptastic | Why is setting up a mirror so hard... |
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| 20:49.02 | Brigo | galex-713, i think you have turned on the pesistence. Use /var/log/syslog instead |
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| 20:49.29 | goon__ | Brigo, thank you, http://pastie.org/9863163 |
| 20:49.48 | goon__ | Brigo, thank you, http://pastie.org/9863163 |
| 20:50.53 | goon__ | Brigo, apt-get autoremove libwinpr* |
| 20:50.54 | galex-713 | Brigo: I tried tail -f, nothing appearing in syslog >< |
| 20:51.05 | goon__ | that's the result of it |
| 20:51.36 | Brigo | galex-713, open it with and editor. if not luck you can try 'dmesg' command |
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| 20:52.05 | galex-713 | with and editor? what? |
| 20:52.11 | galex-713 | cannot parse that english |
| 20:53.21 | Brigo | goon__, that libraries are dependencies, check it with apt-cache rdepend libwinpr-pool0.1, for example |
| 20:53.23 | galex-713 | Brigo: nothing within dmesg neither |
| 20:53.29 | galex-713 | It just freezes |
| 20:53.39 | galex-713 | (like, all gray if changing window and then coming back) |
| 20:53.47 | Brigo | galex-713, you have a problem |
| 20:53.58 | galex-713 | :/ |
| 20:54.15 | Brigo | what is the output of systemctl --failed? |
| 20:54.25 | Brigo | what is the output of 'systemctl --failed' ? |
| 20:54.29 | galex-713 | as root or unprivileged user? |
| 20:54.32 | Brigo | as root |
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| 20:55.35 | galex-713 | Brigo: http://paste.debian.net/142413/ |
| 20:55.39 | galex-713 | oops |
| 20:55.45 | galex-713 | ok |
| 20:56.01 | galex-713 | Erm |
| 20:56.09 | galex-713 | Same output as root than as unprivileged user |
| 20:56.22 | Brigo | galex-713, are you in graphic mode? |
| 20:56.26 | galex-713 | Yes |
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| 20:56.34 | galex-713 | I use LightDM also |
| 20:56.35 | Brigo | galex-713, not always. |
| 20:56.41 | galex-713 | (thatâs why GDM fails) |
| 20:56.45 | goon__ | Brigo, http://pastie.org/9863177 |
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| 20:56.50 | goon__ | thank you |
| 20:56.54 | goon__ | libc6 |
| 20:56.55 | galex-713 | What not always? |
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| 20:58.08 | Brigo | goon__, that is not what i said :) I said apt-cache rdepend |
| 20:58.30 | Brigo | galex-713, not always you will get the same output as user than as root. |
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| 20:59.05 | galex-713 | Brigo: ah ok |
| 20:59.11 | Brigo | check if the journald proccess is runing with pgrep -l journald |
| 20:59.35 | galex-713 | Brigo: no output |
| 21:00.31 | Brigo | pgrep -l systemd-journal |
| 21:00.31 | Brigo | sorry |
| 21:01.09 | Brigo | what is the output of journalctl ( without arguments) ' |
| 21:01.11 | Brigo | ? |
| 21:01.12 | goon__ | Brigo, sorry, didn't knew that one, thought it was a mistake http://pastie.org/9863192 |
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| 21:01.49 | galex-713 | Brigo: "214 systemd-journal" |
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| 21:02.06 | Brigo | goon__, there you can see one package that depends on it, freerdp-x11, and others will depend on this one. |
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| 21:03.33 | goon__ | so i shall uninstall freerdp-X11, then I can uninstall them? |
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| 21:04.11 | Brigo | goon__, no, because others packages depends on freerdp-X11, you can check it, again with apt-cache rdepends freerdp-X11. |
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| 21:06.18 | goon__ | Brigo, :'/ http://pastie.org/9863201 |
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| 21:07.49 | Brigo | goon__, you do not nee to paste the output, i told becuase i want you to see the dependencies by yourself. |
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| 21:08.50 | galex-713 | Brigo: so⦠no idea? |
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| 21:09.42 | Brigo | galex-713, i know exactly why you cannot remove that packages. That packages are dependencies of the others, as you can see with apt-cache rdepends command |
| 21:09.52 | bonjurkes | any guys experienced with soft raid on debian? |
| 21:10.04 | Brigo | galex-713, ups, sorry, not for you :) |
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| 21:10.33 | Brigo | galex-713, i told you that try journalctl (without arguments) |
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| 21:11.15 | goon__ | Brigo, ok, but I didn't get what's the point? (sorry) seems like I end up at gnome |
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| 21:12.14 | Brigo | yes, gnome depens on some of those packages, so you cannot remove them. |
| 21:12.54 | goon__ | Brigo, thing I don't understand is: those package weren't installed in the first place |
| 21:13.02 | naptastic | I'm using ftpsync to set up a private apt mirror for Debian. |
| 21:13.21 | naptastic | The comments in the configuration file say that an empty value for ARCH_EXCLUDE means that all architectures will be mirrored |
| 21:13.24 | goon__ | so gnome wasn't depending on them |
| 21:13.28 | naptastic | indeed, that all architectures is the default |
| 21:13.33 | naptastic | so I left is blank |
| 21:13.43 | naptastic | and yet, I don't have sources or i386 |
| 21:13.50 | goon__ | while it is now |
| 21:13.53 | naptastic | and I'm left scratching my head, wondering what the crap |
| 21:14.18 | goon__ | Brigo, this I don't get it |
| 21:15.13 | abrotman | naptastic: are you sure you need a complete mirror, and something like apt-cacher-ng or approx won't suffice? |
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| 21:15.36 | Brigo | goon__, they must to be installed, of course. |
| 21:16.47 | goon__ | Brigo, ?? yes synaptics installed them as dependencies of wine |
| 21:17.09 | goon__ | but now gnome depends on them |
| 21:17.53 | naptastic | abrotman, I need it to be pro-active, so a cacher won't work. I don't need all architectures, though... |
| 21:18.07 | naptastic | Maybe I should try excluding the ones I don't need, and see if the rest pull in correctly? |
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| 21:20.35 | naptastic | Or maybe my sync is broken... there's a lock file from 11 days ago |
| 21:20.37 | naptastic | sighs |
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| 21:26.48 | galex-713 | Brigo: oh, ok, sorry, didnât see that |
| 21:27.33 | galex-713 | Brigo: thereâs a lot of text⦠what should I give you? when? should I retry to run/crash transmission ? |
| 21:28.35 | Brigo | galex-713, if there is a lot of text then run journalctl -f in a terminal and run tranmission-gtk in another and paste the output (if any). |
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| 21:29.54 | quique | the jessie installer doesn't see my ssd |
| 21:30.08 | quique | any ideas why that might be? |
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| 21:31.17 | galex-713 | Brigo: nothing new appears in journalctl -fâs output while running transmission-gtk |
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| 21:31.52 | Brigo | galex-713, :-/ |
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| 21:32.22 | Brigo | i cannot do much more without some more information. |
| 21:32.32 | galex-713 | Ok⦠|
| 21:32.36 | Brigo | let me check the debia bug tracking system. |
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| 21:32.47 | galex-713 | So just something freezing⦠no way to do anything? |
| 21:32.55 | galex-713 | Maybe Iâve too much torrents |
| 21:32.57 | galex-713 | Is that possible ? |
| 21:33.04 | galex-713 | Too much torrents so it freezes |
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| 21:33.34 | galex-713 | Just as when I stopped to use Liferea because I had too much RSS streams and it crashed down liferea |
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| 21:38.29 | teraflops | heh |
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| 21:40.12 | goon__ | Brigo, so there is nothing I can do? |
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| 21:40.59 | goon__ | Brigo, would dpkg -P --force-all break my system? |
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| 21:44.45 | Brigo | galex-713, it may be, but it should log something too. |
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| 21:45.02 | Brigo | galex-713, i find a couple of bugs: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=606970 |
| 21:45.09 | Brigo | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=683189 |
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| 21:45.52 | Brigo | goon__, of course yes, it will break it. |
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| 21:50.09 | dupin | in jessie mousepad doesn´ open text files |
| 21:50.23 | dupin | does any one know why is thqat |
| 21:50.28 | dupin | *that |
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| 21:51.05 | sydney | dupin: Works fine for me here. |
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| 21:51.29 | sydney | dupin: Are you sure its a .txt file? |
| 21:51.32 | dupin | good for you but how can I make it work here |
| 21:51.45 | dupin | are you joking me? |
| 21:51.50 | sydney | If not you may need to use something like abiword. |
| 21:51.53 | sydney | No, im not. |
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| 21:52.21 | dupin | ok gedit works fine but mousepad doesn´t |
| 21:52.32 | sydney | Odd. I don't know then. |
| 21:52.50 | dupin | I installed gedit because I need something to open these file |
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| 21:56.44 | hikenboot | hi /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux does not exist on my system. anyone know what puts it there? |
| 21:57.04 | dondelelcaro | hikenboot: nothing should anymore |
| 21:57.19 | hikenboot | is it a symlink on old systems? |
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| 21:58.08 | hikenboot | for the life of me i cant get the debian repository drivers for my ATI video card working |
| 21:58.13 | dondelelcaro | hikenboot: it might be, or some really odd package might include it... but I don't have that directory on machines which are very old |
| 21:58.14 | hikenboot | so i was going to use the ATI one |
| 21:58.46 | dondelelcaro | !tell hikenboot -about ati |
| 21:59.02 | hikenboot | it installs mesa and the other packages but it doesnt seem to be able to use opengl |
| 21:59.13 | dondelelcaro | hikenboot: and in the future, asking your real question tends to be the best bet |
| 21:59.25 | dondelelcaro | hikenboot: wait, so the radeon driver works, but it doesn't do opengl for you? |
| 22:00.03 | hikenboot | seems so, it installs and boots afterwards even after a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:00.13 | galex-713 | So ok, no more RSS, no more torrent >< |
| 22:00.26 | hikenboot | but wont run opengl |
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| 22:03.29 | Guest84644 | hi, what is the list of packages in square brackets in the Remv lines of apt-get remove? |
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| 22:03.46 | Guest84644 | example: Remv vlc-nox [2.1.2-2build2] [vlc:amd64 transmission-gtk:amd64 pidgin:amd64 ] |
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| 22:08.59 | hikenboot | any ideas dondelelcaro ? |
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| 22:09.10 | hikenboot | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
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| 22:10.49 | Brigo | galex-713, try another torrent client. There are severals. |
| 22:11.04 | galex-713 | I only know deluge beyond transmission |
| 22:11.20 | galex-713 | (and Deluge has an overcomplicated UI, transmission is soooo simple) |
| 22:11.39 | galex-713 | (but yeah, maybe deluge works better⦠Iâll have to migrate all my seeds ><) |
| 22:11.44 | Brigo | galex-713, i agree about transmission |
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| 22:12.06 | splart | Does anyone here use a text browser? I've been playing with lynx lately for fun. I'm not sure if I'm overlooking anything that might be "better" |
| 22:12.17 | Brigo | galex-713, unworkable - efficient, simple and secure bittorrent client |
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| 22:12.42 | galex-713 | ^^ |
| 22:12.58 | Brigo | galex-713, or may be flush. |
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| 22:13.07 | galex-713 | flush? |
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| 22:13.21 | t4nk535 | hey everybody :) |
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| 22:13.37 | Brigo | splart, w3m, links, elinks |
| 22:13.38 | t4nk535 | i'm installing my server, and i have some questions for security |
| 22:14.16 | t4nk535 | i'm trying to block nmap scan with portsentry |
| 22:14.31 | t4nk535 | not block, just notify by mail with ssmtp |
| 22:14.44 | t4nk535 | it works from lan |
| 22:14.44 | splart | Brigo, thanks! I'll check those out. |
| 22:14.56 | dondelelcaro | hikenboot: ok; what does glxgears fail with? that same error? give us your Xorg.0.log |
| 22:15.24 | t4nk535 | but, my server is behind my isp router, and i opened some ports to test |
| 22:15.29 | Brigo | splart, good luck :) |
| 22:15.50 | t4nk535 | is that normal that nmap, from my lan to my wan ip, dont detect theses ports ? |
| 22:16.13 | galex-713 | omg |
| 22:16.30 | t4nk535 | ? |
| 22:16.46 | galex-713 | I remembered delugeâs GUI was overcomplicated⦠but not *that* much :o |
| 22:16.53 | hikenboot | dondelelcaro, Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual |
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| 22:17.16 | t4nk535 | nobody can helps me ? |
| 22:17.35 | hikenboot | just added a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20fglrx.conf with fglrx driver |
| 22:17.48 | hikenboot | will that fix it dondelelcaro ? |
| 22:18.11 | wjtaylor | What's the current java version for Wheezy? |
| 22:18.13 | teraflops | t4nk535: yes, it can be normal, use a external service/web/friend7whatever for doing that |
| 22:18.33 | mtn | wjtaylor: http://packages.debian.org |
| 22:18.47 | t4nk535 | hm, but if i send package to wan ip, it takes gateway route to go out, and back no ? |
| 22:19.46 | dondelelcaro | hikenboot: uh... if you're mixing the fglrx driver with the radeon driver, nothing but bad things is going to happen |
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| 22:20.08 | dondelelcaro | hikenboot: if that's the only error you got from glxgears, then glx is working |
| 22:20.32 | hikenboot | dondelelcaro, bbs looks like from what i read it conflicts with DRM driver, no i am no longer trying to get the radeon driver working went back to the debian one |
| 22:20.40 | hikenboot | sorry for the confusion |
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| 22:21.26 | hikenboot | rebooting now...thanks for the help, will be back if it doesnt fix it, your time is appreciated! |
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| 22:23.16 | wjtaylor | mtn: That says the most recent version is Java 6.... Java 8 has been released... |
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| 22:23.41 | wjtaylor | How do I get a recent version of Java installed? Can I install the RPM from java via alien? |
| 22:23.49 | teraflops | ^ |
| 22:23.54 | mtn | wjtaylor: debian stable does not get newer versions of most software. sometimes it will be available in backports |
| 22:24.28 | wjtaylor | mtn: I'll settle for 7 :) |
| 22:24.52 | splart | Brigo, w3m wont launch? (I'm very new to linux) I'm using wmii as a window manager. |
| 22:24.54 | Guest84644 | are you sure you need to update java? what is "the real problem" behind the question? |
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| 22:25.25 | mtn | wjtaylor: good choice |
| 22:25.49 | Brigo | splart, i do not what to say, i have not used for a long time. |
| 22:25.56 | wjtaylor | mtn: That would still require backports as well, no? |
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| 22:26.15 | mtn | wjtaylor: is it in backports according to the package site? |
| 22:27.16 | splart | Brigo, no problem. I'll figure it out, I just wanted to see if it was a common issue. |
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| 22:32.21 | wjtaylor | mtn: Doesn't appear so... that sucks. |
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| 22:34.42 | heurist | wjtaylor: java7 is in wheezy-backports |
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| 22:36.35 | wjtaylor | heurist: Ah, openjdk... I searched for java... |
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| 22:36.58 | wjtaylor | heurist: I was just going to add the web upd8 ppa... |
| 22:36.59 | heurist | wjtaylor: yeah, openjdk-7-jre, the naming can be confusing. |
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| 22:37.20 | heurist | wjtaylor: debian does not have ppas |
| 22:37.40 | Smrtz | Hey, I'm trying to download a amd64 image, but it appears all the links on the website are down, and I can't use a torrent since I'm at work... |
| 22:37.46 | Smrtz | Can someone send me a link to one please? |
| 22:37.49 | wjtaylor | heurist: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/how-to-install-oracle-java-8-in-debian.html |
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| 22:38.45 | heurist | Smrtz: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/amd64/ |
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| 22:39.19 | Smrtz | heurist: yeah, that's not loading for me, must be my works firewall? any other sources? |
| 22:40.02 | heurist | Smrtz: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 22:40.04 | mtn | wjtaylor: you should read https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 22:50.17 | wjtaylor | mtn: I understand that it's just that Java is pretty key. I'll see if I can compile/run on 7. |
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| 22:50.56 | wjtaylor | I did notice I have 7 installed, but when I run java it gives me version 6 |
| 22:50.58 | mtn | wjtaylor: sure. you just need to understand how debian stable works as far as newer software goes. |
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| 22:51.49 | wjtaylor | the reference for Java goes to /etc/ alternatives... How can I select the Java 7 alternative? |
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| 22:52.15 | heurist | wjtaylor: update-alternatives --config java |
| 22:54.34 | wjtaylor | heurist: Thanks... I thought that would be a pain... :) |
| 22:54.58 | heurist | wjtaylor: only painful the first time. |
| 22:55.19 | wjtaylor | heurist: Is every program installed an alternative? |
| 22:55.24 | abrotman | no |
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| 22:55.46 | wjtaylor | How does a package get marked as an alternative? |
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| 22:56.34 | heurist | wjtaylor: no, only some do, you can see them in /etc/alternatives/ try ls -1 /etc/alternatives/ | less and search for the one you want then put that after the --config. |
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| 22:59.46 | tremon | wjtaylor: see man update-alternatives. You can add new configs or add new options to existing ones, but usually the base configs are managed by the packages themselves |
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| 23:01.27 | bonjurkes | with 2 gigs of ram, should I run 32 bit? cpu is slow one also. For server |
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| 23:02.16 | Vroomfondel | I run 64-bit with 2GB of RAM and a very slow CPU, but some people say you can save a bit of RAM by using 32-bit. |
| 23:03.11 | abrotman | bonjurkes: yes, unless you need a reason for 64bit |
| 23:03.36 | bonjurkes | abrotman not really |
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| 23:09.57 | goon__ | hi again, why is it that kde apps don't appear when I'm searching them -I have a gnome system, only kde libs to run a few apps... |
| 23:11.37 | abrotman | bonjurkes: yes |
| 23:11.43 | nkuttler | goon__: how do you search them? |
| 23:11.48 | abrotman | bonjurkes: sorry, then yes, run i386 |
| 23:12.06 | bonjurkes | thank you abrotman |
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| 23:12.43 | goon__ | nkuttler, with the "dash(???)" (using the super key) |
| 23:13.34 | nkuttler | goon__: no idea what that is. anyway, did you install any kde apps? |
| 23:14.07 | mtn | goon__: oh, you mean searching the menu? they won't show unless you have installed them |
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| 23:15.20 | kdog | goon__: sounds like gnome hasn't indexed them |
| 23:15.34 | mtn | goon__: if you want to find them to install them, use your package manager, synaptic |
| 23:16.34 | goon__ | kdog, that's also what it sound like |
| 23:16.59 | goon__ | kdog, mtn nkuttler can you force reindexing |
| 23:17.00 | goon__ | ? |
| 23:17.20 | mtn | goon__: did you install kde apps or not? |
| 23:18.17 | goon__ | mtn, OF COURSE ;) |
| 23:18.22 | nkuttler | goon__: which one? |
| 23:18.41 | goon__ | sorry, I didn't wanna yell |
| 23:18.57 | goon__ | okular/scribus |
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| 23:19.14 | mtn | goon__: you may need to log out and back in to see them in the menu |
| 23:19.28 | goon__ | will try that |
| 23:20.04 | goon__ | thank you, I'm just not used to log out nor reboot any more ;) |
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| 23:23.09 | goon__ | mtn, kdog nkuttler did no good |
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| 23:24.16 | goon__ | reloading was useless |
| 23:24.56 | kdog | goon__: well, instead of hitting the super key you could open the run window and type in the executable name |
| 23:25.32 | mtn | goon__: how did you install these programs? did you use the package manager? |
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| 23:26.11 | bonjurkes | any sphinx search experienced here? on debian |
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| 23:26.25 | samus | hi folks!, I'm looking some help about settings to improve voipmonitor performance on debian host |
| 23:26.44 | nkuttler | bonjurkes: what is your real question? |
| 23:27.09 | bonjurkes | nkuttler I bought a tiny server to run sphinx search on it, not really sure if it's resource hog or not |
| 23:27.39 | goon__ | mtn, yes |
| 23:27.46 | kdog | goon__: otherwise you'll have to research how gnome is indexing and populating the menu. You could look in the system preferences, but I only recall userland options in there. |
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| 23:28.00 | mtn | goon__: they should be there, if they are actually installed, anyway |
| 23:28.04 | goon__ | kdog, thanks, this way it woks, but I can't dock them |
| 23:28.31 | nkuttler | bonjurkes: it's probably more important how often you plan to index your content |
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| 23:28.51 | mtn | goon__: hmm. dash? which version of debian is this? |
| 23:28.59 | bonjurkes | nkuttler that's a good question. I have no idea. It will run inside a script |
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| 23:29.17 | bonjurkes | does sphinx need any good config to make it run smooth on low box? |
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| 23:29.24 | goon__ | mtn, they are in usr/bin/XXXX so I can launch them, only I was wondering if it was on purpose that kde apps won't get in the dock and show up as search results or not |
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| 23:29.37 | kdog | goon__: I don't find the doc very useful. I just hit that super key and start typing what I want. I'm so lazy I won't reach for the mouse :-P |
| 23:29.50 | goon__ | mtn, dash may be inaccurate, dock, does that sound good to you? it's 3.14 |
| 23:29.54 | mtn | goon__: which version of debian? |
| 23:30.09 | goon__ | mtn, jesse55 |
| 23:30.15 | goon__ | oups jessie |
| 23:30.25 | mtn | goon__: ok, thanks. kde apps show fine in my jessie gnome install |
| 23:30.28 | goon__ | mtn, hyper stable testing BTW |
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| 23:52.22 | Derpadong | Im trying to install some software onto my debian server but when I do so, it hangs on Reading state information and then errors out. |
| 23:52.45 | abrotman | and the error is? |
| 23:54.22 | Derpadong | It just says Read error - read (5: Input/output error) |
| 23:54.28 | Derpadong | =\ |
| 23:54.35 | Derpadong | I just had it working too |
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