| 00:00.00 | super9mega | alright, sorry, but i am running libc6 2.19-13, and i know some sources are from the unstable source |
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| 00:02.52 | dvs | super9mega: Yeah, do an "apt-get update" first then try to upgrade. |
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| 00:04.40 | super9mega | would it make a difference if im running on multi-arch |
| 00:05.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, sid |
| 00:05.06 | dpkg | it has been said that sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 00:05.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, wrong one |
| 00:05.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, unstable |
| 00:05.17 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable . See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 00:05.35 | Nightray | dvs, / should be a bootable partition, right? |
| 00:05.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigh... super9mega you cannot "upgrade to unstable", because unstable is not a distribution |
| 00:06.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, here it is |
| 00:06.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, sid upgrade |
| 00:06.13 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>. |
| 00:06.14 | dvs | Nightray: Whatever partition /boot exists on, yes. |
| 00:06.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | super9mega, wait, that's not exactly true... you can. but your /etc/debian_version will keep reading testing/unstable |
| 00:07.23 | Nightray | dvs, so If I only have /, /home, and swap then / should be bootable, right? |
| 00:07.34 | dvs | Nightray: Yes |
| 00:07.58 | Nightray | do I have to set any flags on windows partition? |
| 00:08.08 | dvs | Nightray: no |
| 00:08.43 | dvs | Nightray: Wait, this is a dual boot of Window/Linux? |
| 00:09.10 | Nightray | Windows is on SSD |
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| 00:09.38 | Nightray | Debian is going to be on HDD because I have more space there |
| 00:09.39 | dvs | Nightray: Ok, if they are on different drives then that's fine. |
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| 00:10.42 | Nightray | yeah, different drivers. do I have my boot device as SSD so I will have to change it in bios to HDD to boot Debian |
| 00:11.02 | Nightray | though not do |
| 00:11.09 | Nightray | I need another coffee |
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| 00:14.17 | dvs | Nightray: It depends where you install GRUB. |
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| 00:17.22 | Nightray | and it's installing. I have a bad feeling about this. |
| 00:18.07 | dvs | Nightray: Keep the installer, it has a rescue mode |
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| 00:19.16 | Nightray | If history is any indication, I'll be back on Windows within two weeks after breaking everything that can be broken on Linux |
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| 00:26.50 | hotBlood | hi |
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| 00:29.24 | mapwolf | evening (or morning depending on your timezone :P) |
| 00:29.46 | NoirX | hi mapwolf |
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| 00:31.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nightray, not much to break in debian if you stick with what is in the stable repository (and maybe backports) |
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| 00:33.22 | Nightray | CutMeOwnThroat: For the past 9 years I am trying to migrate on linux every 6 months or so. Up until now I've been trying to use ubuntu, but after few days I always break something and go back to windows. |
| 00:33.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | fg |
| 00:33.57 | rtur | Nightray: As long as you never type stuff like su or sudo you should be safe ;) |
| 00:34.12 | Stargazers | Unless rm -rf whole homedir. |
| 00:34.14 | Nightray | at this point people on #ubuntu are placing bets on what I break and how many days will it take me |
| 00:34.19 | Stargazers | Then you might be sad. |
| 00:35.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nightray, you might concentrate on using the stuff instead of breaking it, though? |
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| 00:35.13 | shay_shay | hi |
| 00:36.36 | mapwolf | Nightray, do you break things from experimenting or just from trying to do day to day stuff? maybe virtual machines would be useful? |
| 00:37.17 | rtur | mapwolf He would just break the virtual machine... maybe nested virtual machines ? |
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| 00:37.41 | rtur | with backups all the way up :D |
| 00:37.42 | Stargazers | I heard you like virtual machines so we put virtual machine in your virtual machine |
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| 00:38.20 | Nightray | mapwolf: Depends. 9 years ago I was more into gaming, I tried to install games and with Wine still in diapers I usually ended up on Windows |
| 00:38.36 | Miesco | Hi, I am on Jessie, how do I get openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre? |
| 00:38.46 | Nightray | nowadays I am more less into games more into learning Linux so I break stuff trying to figure them out |
| 00:39.03 | Nightray | I am less into games* |
| 00:40.12 | rtur | Nightray Then part of the learning experience should be fixing what you've broken, not migrating back to Win |
| 00:40.31 | mapwolf | well the great thing about virtual machines is that you can reset them to before you broke whatever package or setup. breaking stuff is really important for learning. |
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| 00:41.15 | Nightray | rtur, I know. But I usually break 5 more things in the process |
| 00:41.49 | nkuttler | !tell Miesco about install java |
| 00:41.57 | nkuttler | ,v openjdk-6-jre |
| 00:41.58 | judd | Package: openjdk-6-jre on i386 -- squeeze: 6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze2; wheezy: 6b27-1.12.5-1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 6b27-1.12.6-1~deb6u1; squeeze-security: 6b31-1.13.3-1~deb6u1; squeeze-security-lts: 6b33-1.13.5-2~deb6u1; wheezy-security: 6b33-1.13.5-2~deb7u1; sid: 6b33-1.13.5-2 |
| 00:42.40 | Miesco | nkuttler: Well I have a .deb that requitres openjdk-6-jre |
| 00:42.58 | nkuttler | Miesco: looks like you'll have to backport the sid package, for now at least.. and probably after the release as well |
| 00:43.18 | Nightray | I had a friend (notice the past tense) that tried to teach me Linux. At the end he was so tired fixing everything I broke that he said that I should go back on Windows and never install Linux again. |
| 00:43.34 | Miesco | !tell Miesco about backport sid |
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| 00:43.44 | Stargazers | Nightray: :D |
| 00:43.49 | Stargazers | Cool story bro |
| 00:43.59 | nkuttler | !tell Miesco about ssbp |
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| 00:44.31 | shay_shay | !tell me about ssbp |
| 00:44.57 | Stargazers | !tell me about trolling |
| 00:45.13 | nkuttler | Stargazers: try to stay on topic.. |
| 00:45.29 | shay_shay | Stargazers: huh? |
| 00:45.41 | nkuttler | !tell shay_shay about selftell |
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| 00:46.09 | Stargazers | nkuttler: Sorry, had to test that bot myself :O I was curious. |
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| 00:47.54 | shay_shay | nkuttler: seems to me that private messaging someone with the bot without permission is more intrusive than posting a single message in a public channel |
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| 00:49.12 | Stargazers | But now gotta go to sleep. Good night, hopefully you all got your debians up and running :) |
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| 00:49.41 | Miesco | nkuttler: Do I need to enable debian-backports? |
| 00:50.35 | DeaDSouL | how to restart the wireless so it changes the local ip ? |
| 00:51.00 | DeaDSouL | ip link set wlan0 down ..... then ip link set wlan0 up ..... doesn't work |
| 00:51.27 | rtur | DeaDSoul Because it's decided by the dhcp server, it most likely will give you the same address. |
| 00:51.47 | DeaDSouL | rtur: yes it does |
| 00:51.48 | rtur | You could set a different one yourself, but why would you need it ? |
| 00:51.59 | nkuttler | Miesco: no |
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| 00:52.31 | nkuttler | shay_shay: for you maybe. for the channel not |
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| 00:54.16 | DeaDSouL | rtur: here is my config (/etc/network/interface) : http://pastebin.com/qRMx8mdg |
| 00:54.39 | DeaDSouL | rtur: even the static config doesn't work ... why ? am I missing something ? |
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| 00:57.24 | DeaDSouL | any help guys ? |
| 00:57.38 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, the data on the static configuration should match the dhcp server offers you but for the ip that you can change the last number |
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| 00:59.32 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: that's what i'm doing... i want it to get the ip-address : 192.168.1.8 ... but it just doesn't work |
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| 00:59.57 | Brigo | the gateway is the same? |
| 01:00.11 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: tried to change it to 192.168.1.9 , 10, 7, 11...etc ... it just doesn't want to |
| 01:00.40 | Brigo | what ip give the server to you? |
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| 01:01.19 | seth12 | I installed Jessie, but need static IP. Network manager keeps adding additional dhcp interfaces. How can I stop this? |
| 01:01.27 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: i've always used it as default gateway on all of my desktops.. and it was working fine... so I remove the gateway line from the configuration ? |
| 01:01.31 | toli__ | guys I have a server with debian 7.5 kernel 3.14.27-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 preinstalled by the provider, but unable to use tunneling with gre, getting add tunnel gre0 failed: No such device. Do I have to compile new kernel? |
| 01:01.45 | shay_shay | how can I use onboard video? plug a monitor in and it should work? |
| 01:01.57 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: because the gateway is a dynamic ip... |
| 01:02.49 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, no you will need it to reach beyond the server -that is internet- |
| 01:02.49 | shay_shay | i mean, I have a nvidia card currently but I want to use intel gfx instead, but I dont want to remove the nvidia card so I can use it for vga passthrough for windows vm |
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| 01:03.32 | Brigo | shay_shay, you have to configure the booting card from the bios first. |
| 01:03.34 | varunendra | DeaDSouL, can you show us the current IP configuration the DHCP gives you? |
| 01:04.11 | shay_shay | Brigo: should i uninstall nvidia drivers first? |
| 01:04.17 | shay_shay | or later... |
| 01:04.43 | Brigo | shay_shay, shall you use the nvidia card? |
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| 01:04.45 | tuna48 | i'm installing debian right now on a 512 mb ram celeron desktop |
| 01:04.48 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: here: http://pastebin.com/nA43Yi1s |
| 01:04.59 | shay_shay | Brigo: nope not in X |
| 01:05.01 | tuna48 | and boy does it take long to install |
| 01:05.55 | tuna48 | probably because of the dinocomputer |
| 01:06.06 | Brigo | shay_shay, you can uninstall it when you want, no problem. |
| 01:06.36 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, i cannnot see the problem and i have to go sorry. |
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| 01:06.56 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: it's ok.. take care bro |
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| 01:07.24 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, good luck :) |
| 01:07.38 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: really gonna need it :P |
| 01:08.21 | varunendra | DeaDSouL, if you are using Network Manager, please show us the output of : nm-tool |
| 01:08.35 | varunendra | If not, then : route -n |
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| 01:09.11 | DeaDSouL | varunendra: i'm not using any desktops.... only console :( |
| 01:10.09 | DeaDSouL | varunendra: 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 |
| 01:10.26 | DeaDSouL | varunendra: that's odd :P |
| 01:11.07 | DeaDSouL | varunendra: how come the gateway is 0.0.0.0 ?!! |
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| 01:12.39 | varunendra | DeaDSouL, is that the first line in the output? Is this config even working? |
| 01:13.05 | varunendra | DeaDSouL, it is not the route to the internet, but your local network |
| 01:13.18 | DeaDSouL | varunendra: it's is the only output after the table-headlines... |
| 01:14.02 | DeaDSouL | varunendra: lol... it's not.. wait |
| 01:14.26 | DeaDSouL | varunendra: http://pastebin.com/syNJhCEV |
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| 01:15.41 | varunendra | DeaDSouL, as much as I can gather from that output, that machine is not connected to the world. Are you posting from that same computer?? :o |
| 01:16.19 | DeaDSouL | varunendra: no, I'm ssh-ing into it... wait let me check |
| 01:16.36 | varunendra | DeaDSouL, Can you access the router/gateway's web interface? |
| 01:16.48 | varunendra | from another machine of course :p |
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| 01:17.09 | DeaDSouL | varunendra: no, it's not connected to the world... |
| 01:17.19 | DeaDSouL | varunendra: yes sure |
| 01:18.23 | varunendra | DeaDSouL, then please double-check the DHCP configuration in it. And make sure the IP ranges you assign manually are out of the DHCP range, else it could be an IP conflict scenario. |
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| 01:18.37 | DeaDSouL | varunendra: ok.. service networking restart ... and it's connected now |
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| 01:19.02 | varunendra | DeaDSouL, and what does the 'route -n' output now? |
| 01:19.08 | varunendra | is* |
| 01:19.39 | DeaDSouL | varunendra: http://pastebin.com/FAwpf93v |
| 01:20.40 | varunendra | DeaDSouL, much more meaningful this time :) |
| 01:21.30 | DeaDSouL | varunendra: yeah.. hopefully we can solve it :) |
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| 01:22.10 | varunendra | DeaDSouL, The DHCP has given you IP ....6, so I suspect the ones you are trying could be within DHCP range (8, 9,....). Try reconfiguring the DHCP range in the router/gateway, so the ones you want to assign manually are out of that range. |
| 01:23.15 | DeaDSouL | varunendra: ok.. i'll try it |
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| 01:24.54 | varunendra | DeaDSouL, never tried the command you are using to assign an IP manually. I have successfully used something like : 'sudo ifconfig wlan0 down' ..... then .... 'sudo ifconfig wlan0 <desired IP>' |
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| 01:27.40 | shay_shay | Brigo: this is weird, when I first got my 1440p monitor I couldnt get it to go beyold 1080p resolution with hdmi on a nvidia gtx 660... now that I look at my monitor, the nvidia, and my motherboard, all three support hdmi 1.4a |
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| 01:28.24 | shay_shay | so I guess I can use hdmi 1.4a from my motherboard to my monitor for linux and then displayport to nvidia for kvm |
| 01:29.51 | Jeeves_Moss | I have a USB to RS232 adaptor chip that reports as a "ID 0403:6001 Future Technology Devices International, Ltd FT232 USB-Serial (UART) IC", but I can't seem to map it's serial port to my Debian system. How do I do that? |
| 01:30.02 | DeaDSouL | varunendra: i don't know... but the service network restart.. doesn't seem to read the wlan0 config... keeps saying it's not configured... while 'ip' does.... anyway... when I restart the network it mentiond something about the samba... i guess it was a bug.... becuase now it's working... (today i've installed xbmc and other libs and depends from wheezy-backport) as it said the |
| 01:30.03 | DeaDSouL | samba should be upgraded... and now.. the service network restart.. could read the wlan0 configurations ... |
| 01:30.22 | DeaDSouL | varunendra: http://pastebin.com/5dLwPQ49 |
| 01:30.36 | DeaDSouL | varunendra: anyway... it's working now.. thanks again my friend :) |
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| 01:30.51 | percY- | is there any way to install the debian package unrar-nonfree without changing anything in sources.list |
| 01:30.53 | varunendra | DeaDSouL, glad to be a part of the game. :) |
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| 01:34.02 | Jeeves_Moss | varunendra, any ideas on my issue? |
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| 01:35.34 | varunendra | Jeeves_Moss, didn't see your issue. What is it? |
| 01:35.54 | varunendra | okee, saw it |
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| 01:36.43 | Jeeves_Moss | once I get this dumb thing to talk, I can move on to actually doing something worthwhile! |
| 01:37.54 | varunendra | Jeeves_Moss, 'map its serial port to my Debian system' seems to be something above my level of expertise. All I can usually do is try some drivers/configurations and hope for a positive result. |
| 01:38.59 | varunendra | Jeeves_Moss, how is this device usually recognised by the system? As a wifi adapter or an ethernet one? |
| 01:39.10 | Jeeves_Moss | it's USB. |
| 01:39.30 | Jeeves_Moss | it's a USB to serial converter chip |
| 01:40.00 | varunendra | Jeeves_Moss, like a 3G modem? Using something like 'option' or 'cdc_ether' driver? |
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| 01:41.10 | Jeeves_Moss | nope. it's a break out board. I'm using it to bridge a serial GPS into the little embedded device. I've run out of IO ports on the device, |
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| 01:45.10 | varunendra | Jeeves_Moss, totally beyond my knowledge then. Anything I'd try would probably be just wasting your time. Sorry. |
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| 01:51.49 | Miesco | Okay, so I tried to install openjdk-6-jre from sid backport and got this: |
| 01:51.49 | Miesco | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.49 | Miesco | Error: time is more than 10 years from present: 1104530400000 |
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| 01:52.21 | Miesco | java.lang.RuntimeException: time is more than 10 years from present: 1104530400000 |
| 01:52.32 | Miesco | Does this mean I need to change my clock time to install it? |
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| 01:55.17 | BlastHardcheese | wanted: someone to go back in time with me |
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| 01:56.49 | newbz0r | . |
| 01:56.55 | newbz0r | it works xD |
| 01:57.06 | newbz0r | guys, I have a ... kind of sort of problem |
| 01:57.40 | newbz0r | I'm trying to make linux boot process silent-ish and I cannot seem to get rid of just one post message |
| 01:57.50 | newbz0r | which is sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through |
| 01:57.56 | newbz0r | any ideas? |
| 01:58.14 | hassoon_flies | newbz0r: what's up son |
| 01:58.51 | newbz0r | well, nothing much, my OCDistic personality won't let me sleep till I fix this |
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| 02:00.16 | newbz0r | :( no one? |
| 02:01.22 | newbz0r | damn, in my linux days people used to spam these chats |
| 02:01.36 | newbz0r | since it became the new windows, no one bothers |
| 02:03.24 | jordanm | newbz0r: it is quite a bit less active than than in used to be - but this also far from the prime time for IRC |
| 02:03.39 | jordanm | newbz0r: seems to be most busy during work hours on weekdays |
| 02:03.50 | jordanm | US work hours |
| 02:04.08 | newbz0r | jordanm, thanks |
| 02:05.18 | jordanm | I can't help you with the silent boot, I have always had text interrupt the splash screen, but I haven never cared enough to invest time into fixing it |
| 02:05.27 | shay_shay | newbz0r: dmesg --console-off |
| 02:06.01 | jordanm | shay_shay: not sure that helps if it happens before he gets a shell |
| 02:06.26 | shay_shay | jordanm: I'm not sure either but its worth a shot |
| 02:06.26 | newbz0r | let me first explain what I did so far |
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| 02:06.51 | shay_shay | jordanm: someone on the internet claimed they fixed the writethrough message by doing that |
| 02:07.08 | shay_shay | I didnt really get very much context with the claim |
| 02:07.12 | newbz0r | sec, damn phone |
| 02:07.46 | shay_shay | oh |
| 02:07.49 | shay_shay | yeah it wont work |
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| 02:10.01 | newbz0r | I bypassed grub console to a distant tty, all timeouts on 0, recompiled grub to delete "Loading" printfs, removed mkinitcpio hooks for fsck |
| 02:10.11 | newbz0r | and let me think what else I did |
| 02:10.51 | newbz0r | ah, 3 3 3 3 to kernel printk |
| 02:11.09 | shay_shay | well |
| 02:11.10 | newbz0r | seemed to bypass all messages, all errors, all warning but one |
| 02:11.15 | newbz0r | that one ALONE |
| 02:11.18 | shay_shay | you are wasting your time |
| 02:11.18 | newbz0r | seems a bug! |
| 02:11.32 | shay_shay | just close your eyes for a second when your computer is booting |
| 02:11.46 | shay_shay | it will be black as heck |
| 02:11.54 | newbz0r | inded, I could easily do it but I'm kind of OCD-istic |
| 02:12.44 | shay_shay | i believe it is a problem with the kernel, the kernel developers decided to make that error show as such a severity you cant hide it |
| 02:13.06 | newbz0r | my sentiments exactly, shay_shay |
| 02:14.04 | newbz0r | cause if I list dmesg now, I have lots of red texts, that one included, ... but only that one also displayed |
| 02:14.10 | newbz0r | which seems a bug |
| 02:14.35 | newbz0r | and they used to display but I managed to hide |
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| 02:14.55 | newbz0r | even with systemd services and whatnot |
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| 02:25.53 | shay_shay | woo |
| 02:25.55 | newbz0r | gonna rain-check on that till I'm gonna be less sleepy |
| 02:26.09 | newbz0r | then I'm gonna ... recompile damn kernel |
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| 02:26.49 | newbz0r | removing that printf from the whatever .c is in |
| 02:27.33 | shay_shay | newbz0r: make a patch and post it somewhere please |
| 02:28.28 | newbz0r | will do, maybe there are others crazy like me to bother |
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| 02:29.12 | newbz0r | gonna clone to a vm to make things easier |
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| 02:31.45 | newbz0r | it's been ages since I used IRC, damn back then people use to crash with "broken pipe" |
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| 02:31.48 | newbz0r | =D |
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| 02:33.06 | shay_shay | newbz0r: we still get broken pipe |
| 02:33.18 | shay_shay | but most people these days have znc and a vps |
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| 02:36.15 | DeaDSouL | how to allow a specific user to be able to preform 'reboot' and 'poweroff' ? |
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| 02:39.05 | newbz0r | DeaDSouL, you can the grup to the power group in sudoers, even uncomment %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 02:39.20 | newbz0r | the user, sorry |
| 02:39.33 | DeaDSouL | newbz0r: I'm not using sudo |
| 02:39.42 | newbz0r | no sudo |
| 02:40.10 | DeaDSouL | newbz0r: where to find that file ? |
| 02:41.41 | newbz0r | usermod -aG additional_groups username < try this |
| 02:41.56 | newbz0r | to the power group |
| 02:42.44 | DeaDSouL | newbz0r: i know the usermod command and G: for secondary group.... but what is the name of the group? |
| 02:42.47 | DeaDSouL | newbz0r: power ? |
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| 02:42.56 | newbz0r | yep |
| 02:43.08 | DeaDSouL | newbz0r: it doesn't exist in /etc/group |
| 02:43.08 | newbz0r | /etc/sudoers is the file |
| 02:43.13 | shay_shay | O_o |
| 02:43.28 | DeaDSouL | newbz0r: i don't have sudo package installed on my system |
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| 02:43.48 | newbz0r | you can try "EDITOR=nano visudo" and uncoment the %wheel ALL ALL |
| 02:44.09 | shay_shay | nano is the devil |
| 02:44.28 | newbz0r | he can be my guest to try emacs |
| 02:44.30 | newbz0r | hehe |
| 02:44.31 | DeaDSouL | shay_shay: indeed it is :P |
| 02:44.42 | DeaDSouL | newbz0r: no .. I'm vim fan :P |
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| 02:45.02 | shay_shay | more like EDITOR=vim.tiny visudo |
| 02:45.10 | newbz0r | I'm a sublime text fan |
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| 02:46.16 | newbz0r | 100(users),10(wheel),92(audio),95(storage),97(input),98(power) <- |
| 02:46.24 | DeaDSouL | newbz0r: -bash: visudo: command not found |
| 02:46.37 | shay_shay | visudo is part of the sudo package |
| 02:46.45 | newbz0r | indeed, no sudo installed? |
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| 02:46.49 | DeaDSouL | newbz0r: i didn't install the sudo package |
| 02:47.07 | DeaDSouL | shay_shay: yes.. that's what i was trying to say |
| 02:47.39 | newbz0r | then add root privileges |
| 02:47.57 | shay_shay | DeaDSouL: using sudo you can make a power group and say members of that group can use shutdown or reboot commands without a password |
| 02:48.05 | DeaDSouL | newbz0r: no way.... i want xbmc to be able to reboot or power the system off |
| 02:48.21 | newbz0r | it will, damn |
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| 02:48.49 | DeaDSouL | newbz0r: xbmc user doesn't have password... |
| 02:48.56 | shay_shay | %power ALL=(ALL:ALL) reboot,shutdown,telinit |
| 02:48.58 | shay_shay | i think |
| 02:49.10 | shay_shay | read the man page for exact syntax |
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| 02:49.12 | DeaDSouL | newbz0r: if I give xbmc the root permission ... wth!! |
| 02:49.44 | shay_shay | DeaDSouL: no you only give them permission to use those two commands as root |
| 02:49.46 | DeaDSouL | shay_shay: man page of which package? |
| 02:50.23 | shay_shay | http://linux.die.net/man/5/sudoers |
| 02:50.49 | dltl | doesn't xbmc have an internal root check ? or is that vlc? |
| 02:51.01 | DeaDSouL | shay_shay: is there any other way to make it happen without installing sudo package ? |
| 02:51.17 | shay_shay | lmgtfy |
| 02:51.46 | dltl | is that faster then lmfgtfy |
| 02:51.47 | shay_shay | systemd or sysvinit? |
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| 02:54.00 | shay_shay | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.08 | shay_shay | this page has good examples |
| 02:54.23 | shay_shay | its for systemv but you can just use telinit in place of systemctl |
| 02:54.27 | shay_shay | er |
| 02:54.30 | shay_shay | systemd |
| 02:54.49 | newbz0r | can't he just usermod -g 0 -o user |
| 02:55.19 | shay_shay | what is group zero? |
| 02:55.21 | newbz0r | useradd -m -G root user <- or this? |
| 02:56.35 | newbz0r | 0 would be root |
| 02:57.03 | newbz0r | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),1(bin),2(daemon) |
| 02:57.26 | newbz0r | either adding root rights or go via sudo |
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| 03:03.08 | DeaDSouL | shay_shay, newbz0r: instead .. I can put the name of the user in '/etc/shutdown.allow' as mentioned in 'man shutdown' |
| 03:03.27 | DeaDSouL | without any sudo package :P |
| 03:03.30 | newbz0r | awesome |
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| 03:05.03 | newbz0r | I don't need that file but then again ... I have sudo |
| 03:05.07 | newbz0r | hehe |
| 03:06.13 | shay_shay | DeaDSouL: i dont have that on jessie |
| 03:06.33 | DeaDSouL | i don't want install sudo just for reboot or poweroff :P |
| 03:06.49 | DeaDSouL | shay_shay: yes.. you should create it |
| 03:07.02 | DeaDSouL | shay_shay: i did... and testing it now |
| 03:07.12 | shay_shay | DeaDSouL: do you have systemd? |
| 03:07.20 | DeaDSouL | shay_shay: no i don't |
| 03:07.44 | shay_shay | well my /sbin/shutdown is just a symlink to systemctl |
| 03:08.17 | shay_shay | so the instructions on arch wiki might be more up my alley |
| 03:08.26 | shay_shay | and they use sudo |
| 03:08.35 | shay_shay | I dont understand what you have against sudo |
| 03:09.09 | newbz0r | I didn't have sudo either back in the days I was using redhat 6.2 zoot, back in 2000 |
| 03:09.35 | paultag | you could, if you trust yourself, suid root a binary and do permisson fiddling there. |
| 03:09.41 | shay_shay | you're not going to walk into a bar, walk up to a beautiful woman and say "I managed to configure my system without installing sudo" |
| 03:09.48 | paultag | e.g. check secondary group membership before exec'ing init 0 |
| 03:09.57 | paultag | however, this is universially stupid |
| 03:10.00 | paultag | but doable |
| 03:10.03 | paultag | if you *really* don't want sudo |
| 03:10.38 | shay_shay | my point is you dont get brownie points for doing this without sudo. in fact, you dont get anything. this is the exact situation sudo was made for |
| 03:10.50 | DeaDSouL | shay_shay: i have nothing against it... i just don't want to install a whole package for simple two commands |
| 03:11.13 | newbz0r | he is keeping it simple =D |
| 03:11.15 | paultag | DeaDSouL: so, the problem here is you need to do something that requires root. You want to let non-root users run commands with root privs |
| 03:11.22 | newbz0r | this is what UNIX is all about |
| 03:11.48 | paultag | DeaDSouL: so the solution here is 1 of 3 things -- 1) use something that does this already (sudo). 2) write something suid (which doex exactly this, but 0days in your code are no one else's fault) 3) avoid doing it |
| 03:11.49 | newbz0r | which is why it took 30 years to start wayland |
| 03:11.59 | newbz0r | I'm just crazy |
| 03:12.37 | newbz0r | I wonder, if you add root rights to that user, can't you shutdown? |
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| 03:14.38 | DeaDSouL | newbz0r: keep wondering :P |
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| 03:15.02 | newbz0r | Total Removed Size: 3.18 MiB <- the package is sooo Large |
| 03:15.19 | DeaDSouL | newbz0r: LOOOOL |
| 03:15.30 | DeaDSouL | newbz0r: still not gonna install it :S |
| 03:15.39 | newbz0r | c'mon, man, don't take me serious, I'm kidding |
| 03:15.45 | newbz0r | we all told you how we would do it |
| 03:16.10 | DeaDSouL | newbz0r: i know man.. its ok.. i'm kidding too :D |
| 03:16.21 | newbz0r | you have it installed, don't you?! |
| 03:16.23 | newbz0r | =))))) |
| 03:16.27 | DeaDSouL | lool |
| 03:16.28 | newbz0r | hehehehehe |
| 03:16.49 | DeaDSouL | if this shutdown.allow.. won't work.. yeah i will in stall it :P |
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| 03:20.45 | newbz0r | can you check if you have a power group in /etc/group |
| 03:22.55 | paultag | well |
| 03:23.33 | newbz0r | paultag, I'm not an expert either, I'm here after a break of way too many years, I seek some insight |
| 03:23.38 | okee | varunendra> What did you see? |
| 03:23.44 | okee | I was at dinner, so I didn't see your post. |
| 03:23.45 | paultag | ugh |
| 03:23.47 | paultag | fine you guys :) |
| 03:23.48 | paultag | second |
| 03:25.11 | newbz0r | I try to make my boot process silent and I managed to succeed nost listing all posts but one, sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through <- any idea how can I disable this? |
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| 03:27.48 | varunendra | okee, nothing that concerns you, blame autocomplete :p |
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| 03:29.36 | okee | autocomplete? Huh...... |
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| 03:30.50 | paultag | DeaDSouL: if you really want to do this (OK, I did this for newbz0r who's now gone) you *could* do: http://public.pault.ag/stuff/test.c -- gcc test.c -o test && chmod u+s test && sudo chown root:root test && ./test |
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| 03:31.11 | paultag | that'll let anyone shut your machine down |
| 03:31.21 | paultag | I left permission checking up to you there |
| 03:31.36 | paultag | protip: Don't do this. Thanks :) |
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| 03:35.01 | PinkFreud | hmmm. I can't find any evidence whatsoever that grub supports booting with /boot located on any md raid device. |
| 03:35.19 | PinkFreud | this would seem to be a hell of a bug. |
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| 03:38.16 | DeaDSouL | paultag: thanks a lot man.... but I give up... going to install sudo :) |
| 03:38.27 | DeaDSouL | thanks guys :) |
| 03:38.31 | paultag | that's a much better idea |
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| 03:39.51 | DeaDSouL | paultag: :) |
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| 03:50.11 | shay_shay | meh |
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| 04:06.00 | i5um41ru | plese help me on grub rescue http://paste.ubuntu.com/9709343/ |
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| 04:07.50 | level-1-chef | hi |
| 04:08.07 | level-1-chef | I seem to have 930 gigs in lvm, but df -h shows 440g |
| 04:08.13 | level-1-chef | pc has 2 500g drives |
| 04:08.31 | level-1-chef | now the vg is /dev/centos/home |
| 04:08.47 | level-1-chef | which makes no sense |
| 04:08.51 | level-1-chef | and doesnt exist in /dev |
| 04:09.10 | level-1-chef | # uname -a Linux kyfho 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.63-2+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 04:10.53 | level-1-chef | really weird |
| 04:10.56 | level-1-chef | system runnning |
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| 04:43.07 | DMJC | got two USB sticks, both are identical model etc |
| 04:43.14 | DMJC | but they are reporting different byte sizes |
| 04:43.25 | DMJC | one is 29.5gb the other is 29.8gb |
| 04:43.44 | DMJC | thing is, I've run dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/device on both sticks |
| 04:43.47 | DMJC | any idea? |
| 04:44.43 | phy1729 | DMJC: variances in manufacturing defects? |
| 04:45.27 | DMJC | hmm, the problem is I need to image these things to be identical, and they are due to go into a server rack tomorrow.... |
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| 04:46.07 | phy1729 | do you need the extra .3GB? |
| 04:46.21 | DMJC | yeah, the smaller disks are failing the imaging process |
| 04:46.31 | DMJC | the image has a GPT partition and it's dropping the partition information |
| 04:47.00 | phy1729 | so don't dd the information and have something write it based on the disk |
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| 04:57.15 | level-1-chef | debian is quite nice |
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| 04:57.28 | level-1-chef | I put icewm and got rida gdm3 and gnome-terminal |
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| 05:00.23 | Xenguy | I'm liking the Roxterm terminal these days; pretty lightweight, and friendly |
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| 05:03.39 | srg | My soudn isn't working :-( |
| 05:04.14 | Xenguy | Stable, or ...? |
| 05:05.13 | srg | On jessie, running on a laptop |
| 05:05.18 | srg | It's a intel sound device |
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| 05:05.54 | srg | http://pastebin.com/MZDzxG7L <pciid |
| 05:06.02 | srg | I tried running speaker-test as root, nothing |
| 05:06.10 | srg | checked alsamixer |
| 05:06.21 | Xenguy | srg: All I know is that I had to have pulseaudio installed for my sound to work |
| 05:06.38 | srg | no errors, just no sound |
| 05:06.39 | srg | hm |
| 05:07.01 | Xenguy | this is on Wheezy |
| 05:07.37 | Rusty1 | might ask #alsa -is there headphone jack that can be tried? |
| 05:08.17 | srg | There is, but I don't have headphones atm |
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| 05:32.15 | sambagirl | morning. this is super off topic however i am wondering if i an running a 32bit os can i run in vmware 64 bit systems? |
| 05:33.39 | harmaahylje | I don't _know_, but my guess is no |
| 05:34.50 | srg | My guess is 'no' as well. |
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| 05:41.49 | sambagirl | it was explained to me that the virtual appliance looks at the bios and if it sees it's actually a 64bit hardware it goes with that?> |
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| 06:11.35 | DeaDSouL | will 'pm-utils' work with inittab ? or it is made for systemd ? |
| 06:13.07 | themill | pm-utils works just fine with sysvinit (it's been in Debian for many releases) |
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| 06:52.56 | level-1-chef | when is noop better than cfq? |
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| 06:54.41 | ychaouche | Hello ! |
| 06:54.51 | ychaouche | my /etc/motd was replaced to its original content |
| 06:55.17 | ychaouche | I can see via ls that /etc/motd is link to /var/run/motd |
| 06:55.28 | ychaouche | is that normal behaviour ? |
| 06:55.55 | ychaouche | Will it get rewritten at each restart ? |
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| 07:00.18 | themill | ychaouche: which release of Debian? |
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| 07:00.35 | ychaouche | 6.0.10 |
| 07:00.47 | themill | !motd squeeze |
| 07:00.47 | dpkg | The "Message Of The Day" (MOTD) may be shown to users at login time. In Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", /etc/motd is a symbolic link to /var/run/motd and is updated each boot. See "man 5 motd" and "man 5 motd.tail" for further information (see also Debian bug #541455). Make /etc/motd a symlink to some other file to disable autogeneration. MOTD generation changed as of Debian 7 "Wheezy", see <motd wheezy>. |
| 07:01.08 | ychaouche | oh :) thanks themill |
| 07:01.17 | themill | (you may also like to consider upgrading to a supported release...) |
| 07:01.38 | ychaouche | themill: sure |
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| 07:16.36 | ozzloy | i'm getting some characters not showing up here https://gitlab.com/groups/fremont-robotics-software-team i'm not sure what font package to install or how to find out. how do i find out? |
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| 07:23.23 | _65a | I'm having issues starting X on a fresh install onto a Gigabyte Brix Pro (intel Iris graphics). X can't find any screens, and complains vbios is out of range |
| 07:23.32 | _65a | is that familiar to anyone? I'm running stable |
| 07:24.17 | boiled_marmite | any one know ish when debian 12 will turn stable? |
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| 07:32.35 | ychaouche | I noticed that many people complained about debian when it comes to proprietary graphics drivers. Me included. |
| 07:33.50 | boiled_marmite | allot of people complain about debian in general |
| 07:35.14 | ychaouche | oh, I never saw that variation of the "a lot" syntax. Nice. |
| 07:35.31 | boiled_marmite | too early for grammar |
| 07:35.46 | boiled_marmite | but I´ll try to be allot better at it in the future |
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| 07:50.18 | Twinsen_ | hi, I'm using a Wheezy dist of Debian and I've been trying KVM/Qemu but I notice the package version is quite old (1.1.2). Am I missing something? Should I be able to find a newer package? |
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| 07:51.10 | f-a | Twinsen_: maybe https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/qemu |
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| 07:53.09 | Twinsen_ | thanks. Looking... |
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| 07:55.08 | kleanchap | How can I force aptitude to install the dependent or "recommended" files to be installed? |
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| 08:02.01 | _65a | I solved my vbios issue, I had to uninstall vesa |
| 08:02.23 | Twinsen_ | f-a: thank you |
| 08:02.42 | f-a | ^^d |
| 08:03.06 | Twinsen_ | f-a: gettings some updates... if I can figure out how to bridge the VM's network, that'd be great. I spent hours on it with 1.1.2 :P |
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| 08:03.58 | f-a | Twinsen_: just in case, you are aware that there are other possibilities in debian, right (i.e. testing and unstable)? |
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| 08:06.56 | Twinsen_ | f-a: mmm vaguely |
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| 08:08.22 | f-a | Twinsen_: https://www.debian.org/releases/ tl;dr testing has slightly more recent software (drawback, possibly slightly less secure). Depending on your needs, choose the appropriate one! |
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| 08:13.30 | Twinsen_ | thanks. I'll have a look |
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| 08:43.15 | ychaouche | slightly ? |
| 08:43.36 | ychaouche | oh yes testing |
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| 09:00.06 | AnySomebody | Hello, I'm trying to do this on wheezy: https://wiki.debian.org/OpenVPN#TLS-enabled_VPN |
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| 09:00.32 | AnySomebody | But wheezy tells me that it can't find the keys/index.txt for the touch-command... any suggestions? |
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| 09:02.56 | tx | Anyone familiar with supervisord here? |
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| 09:04.05 | AnySomebody | Did I miss something previously? I don't think so as I have created the easy-rsa folder just in the step before |
| 09:04.19 | AnySomebody | So why don't I have this file? |
| 09:04.39 | AnySomebody | Should I have first used the static key method? |
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| 09:17.36 | abcd593 | Hi, how can I implement a failover IP for two servers that are on different subnets? I.e. both servers check each other status, and once the master server dies - backup server takes over the virtual IP and serves it until the master recovers. Normally it is done with keepalived but it works only on the same subnet. I was suggested to use it with VPN, but I couldn't find any tutorials on how to combine them. (SmartOS or OpenStack are proba |
| 09:17.38 | abcd593 | bly overkills for that task). I am on Wheezy. Thank you. |
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| 09:19.46 | techie_28 | Hello all |
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| 09:33.04 | sIRwa2 | ihaving trouble installing openjdk http://pastebin.com/hNQK8Z7h is the pachage broken? |
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| 09:36.17 | sIRwa2 | *package |
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| 09:38.46 | ychaouche | abcd593: have you checked the linux-HA ? |
| 09:39.01 | ychaouche | abcd593: also google for linux heartbeat |
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| 09:40.34 | ychaouche | sIRwa2: can you paste /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:41.10 | ychaouche | sIRwa2: also try apt-get install -f, just to make sure. |
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| 09:43.03 | sIRwa2 | ychaouche: http://pastebin.com/TQ0S8sSE i added that last line |
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| 09:44.23 | sIRwa2 | ychaouche: apt-get install -f did not help |
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| 09:47.52 | ychaouche | did you add that line to install the openjdk thing ? |
| 09:48.08 | JyZyXEL | oh wow, 'free' took 30 seconds to execute during a iozone test |
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| 09:48.17 | JyZyXEL | some great scheduling going on :D |
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| 09:49.32 | sIRwa2 | ychaouche: i added as suggestion from someone. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22695459/install-java-on-a-debian-server-broken-tzdata-dependency |
| 09:49.36 | JyZyXEL | probably should manually set the io priority for iozone |
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| 09:52.58 | Tau | i tried to install debian in my dell laptop |
| 09:53.07 | Tau | in the partition that corresponds to c:. |
| 09:53.20 | Tau | i tried to resize the partition but it just fails. |
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| 09:53.23 | Tau | what could i do? |
| 09:53.29 | Tau | it says 'an error occured'. |
| 09:53.52 | ychaouche | sIRwa2: what does dpkg -s openjdk-7-jre-headless say ? |
| 09:53.53 | shay_shay | what were you using to resize the partition ? |
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| 09:54.13 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.22 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.42 | lostNick | why rm -r foldername does not remove folder? |
| 09:55.00 | shay_shay | Tau: you are using the netinstall? |
| 09:55.05 | Tau | no. |
| 09:55.07 | sIRwa2 | ychaouche: dpkg-query: package 'openjdk-7-jre-headless' is not installed and no information is available |
| 09:55.12 | Tau | i have downloaded a larger installation iso. |
| 09:55.16 | Tau | from http. |
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| 09:55.24 | shay_shay | Tau: but it's not a liveDVD? |
| 09:55.30 | Tau | it is not. |
| 09:55.35 | Tau | it has about 600mb. |
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| 09:55.43 | Tau | the iso image. |
| 09:55.58 | shay_shay | Tau: oh thats a cd, and thats not the right thing to install with :P |
| 09:56.04 | penna | anyone knows how to add an "after note" when installation of my.deb is finished? |
| 09:56.08 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.09 | ychaouche | sIRwa2: did you update your package cache with apt-get update ? |
| 09:56.13 | penna | I use checkinstall |
| 09:56.16 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.48 | sIRwa2 | ychaouche: yes |
| 09:57.06 | ychaouche | sIRwa2: can you find the package with apt-cache search openjdk-7-jre-headless ? |
| 09:57.15 | shay_shay | Tau: thats part of a multiple cd set for offline installs |
| 09:57.31 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.38 | Tau | that sounds weird. |
| 09:57.59 | shay_shay | Tau: anyways back on topic, try with gpated from a liveDVD |
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| 09:58.06 | shay_shay | you can get gparted live |
| 09:58.07 | Tau | okay. |
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| 09:58.20 | shay_shay | http://gparted.org/livecd.php |
| 09:58.24 | lostNick | any answer is there for my very simple question, why a folder cannot be removed with rm -r command in terminal? |
| 09:58.28 | shay_shay | its not a big download |
| 09:58.43 | shay_shay | if you got the debian liveDVD that will also work |
| 09:58.57 | ychaouche | Tau: did you run the appropriate software on windows ? (disk defrag) |
| 09:59.08 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.16 | Tau | so i had to run defrag on windows first? |
| 09:59.20 | ychaouche | Tau: you should. Yes. |
| 09:59.39 | ychaouche | Otherwise it will be hard to resize your disk if files are all over the place |
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| 09:59.43 | sIRwa2 | ychaouche: yes: sudo apt-cache search openjdk-7-jre-headless |
| 09:59.44 | sIRwa2 | openjdk-7-jre-headless - OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot JIT (headless) |
| 09:59.51 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.08 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.27 | shay_shay | no |
| 10:00.30 | ychaouche | running defrag on windows will try its best to put all the files in a contiguous zone thus freeing more disk space so you can resize the partition |
| 10:00.45 | Tau | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.7.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 10:00.55 | Tau | i have this one. |
| 10:01.05 | Tau | debian-7.7.0-amd64-CD-1.iso |
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| 10:01.54 | Tau | and having it in the same hd. |
| 10:02.03 | ychaouche | Tau: do you have a D partition ? |
| 10:02.04 | Tau | it has been some years since i had windows installed. |
| 10:02.07 | Tau | things changed a lot. |
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| 10:02.20 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.28 | ychaouche | you don't want to touch that |
| 10:02.33 | Tau | i guess so. |
| 10:02.47 | Tau | i thought of deleting the c one.. |
| 10:02.57 | Tau | then creating a ntfs one.. |
| 10:03.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | shay_shay, it's perfectly fine to install from CD1 of the set |
| 10:03.03 | ychaouche | best practice IMO is to defrag first then resize. You can resize from windows too if you have 7 or earlier. |
| 10:03.04 | Tau | then recoverying windows inside this ntfs one. |
| 10:03.12 | Tau | then installing debian in the left free space. |
| 10:03.16 | Tau | do you think that is possible? |
| 10:03.32 | shay_shay | CutMeOwnThroat: wouldnt it be kinda bare bones? |
| 10:03.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | so would the netinstall... |
| 10:03.48 | ychaouche | Maybe it will reinstall the system, but your data would be lost I guess. |
| 10:04.01 | Tau | i dont have data in the partition at all. |
| 10:04.02 | shay_shay | CutMeOwnThroat: no, the netinstall is a full install from the net |
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| 10:04.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | shay_shay, so is CD1 :) |
| 10:04.21 | Tau | i'm not sure how to set the window recovery mode. |
| 10:04.27 | Tau | once i have deleted the c: one. |
| 10:04.39 | ychaouche | You don't have a copy of the windows install CD ? |
| 10:04.41 | Tau | i used to do it with cds. |
| 10:04.49 | Tau | they dont even send you window cd anymore. |
| 10:04.55 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.07 | ychaouche | sIRwa2: that's really weired. Did you use aptitude, ever ? |
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| 10:05.37 | shay_shay | CutMeOwnThroat: but when I have installed from dvd1 I have noticed doing a dist-upgrade immediately afterwards I have tons of updates, doing netinstall I will have almost none |
| 10:06.09 | shay_shay | CutMeOwnThroat: so that would have to imply it doesnt get anything from online |
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| 10:06.31 | shay_shay | so you must get only what is on cd1 |
| 10:06.47 | relaxed | Tau: sometimes the recovery screen is accessible on the boot screen |
| 10:07.19 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:07.30 | Tau | what if the recovery window thing doesnt install it in the ntfs partition. |
| 10:07.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | shay_shay, the CD1 will let you install everything... from CD1..CD8. if you change sources.list after installing the minimal system that netinstall also installs (it's about the point where you have to reboot into it), those things get installed from the net, not from CD2..CDX |
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| 10:07.50 | relaxed | Tau: oh yeah, it's going to wipe the drive most likely |
| 10:07.53 | ychaouche | What version of windows do you have ? Tau ? |
| 10:08.06 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.10 | Tau | i think. |
| 10:08.45 | shay_shay | CutMeOwnThroat: oh so inbetween each cd there is a reboot? |
| 10:09.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... apt asks you to switch disks |
| 10:09.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | but in your install phase there is a reboot, where you switch from booting from CD and the kernel on CD to booting from disk |
| 10:09.59 | shay_shay | but it asks you if you want to make changes to your sources.list during the installer? |
| 10:10.10 | sIRwa2 | ychaouche: yes if i use aptitude i get this: http://pastebin.com/02HhjVRd |
| 10:10.11 | ychaouche | I don't think you can resize disks in vista. You can run defrag though then resize from the debian CD at install time. |
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| 10:10.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | what I'm trying to get at... netinstall and CD1 and DVD1 only differ in the amount of things that you can install *without internet* .... as soon as you connect to the net, they're all the same |
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| 10:11.24 | shay_shay | CutMeOwnThroat: that sounds a little to me like using the wrong tool for the wrong job. cd1 only makes sense on old systems which dont take dvds, and dvd1 only makes sense for systems which cant boot to usb, etc |
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| 10:12.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | shay_shay, *shrug* still totally fine to use any of them |
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| 10:12.15 | ychaouche | sIRwa2: I wouldn't advise mixing aptitude and apt, unless you really learn how to use aptitude. Some packages may be marked to be not installed permanently IIRC. |
| 10:13.31 | sIRwa2 | oke, didnt know that |
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| 10:14.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ychaouche, huh? how should that happen |
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| 10:16.05 | shay_shay | i've had bad experiences with aptitude and I have found as long as I never use it my debian installs never crap out |
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| 10:17.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I personally don't care for it, but in here, we're actually recommending it, because of |
| 10:17.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, why aptitude |
| 10:17.42 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 10:21.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | and mixing apt-get and aptitude commands isn't really a problem... it's only when you're using manual holds that you should decide on one or the other (although I would have thought that's fixed by now after such a long time of that problem existing) |
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| 10:24.43 | abcd593 | Hi, if I have 2 servers with IP_1 and IP_2 and I have a third IP_V that I want to function as virtual (failover) IP. How can I _manually_ switch IP_V between IP_1 and IP_2 (i.e. what keepalived/hearbeat do automatically as they detect a failure)? I use Wheezy. Thank you. |
| 10:25.36 | sIRwa2 | ychaouche: but could that have broken my system? |
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| 10:26.16 | ychaouche | CutMeOwnThroat: mm, sorry bad memory. Actually it is common to all of the APT system : https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_blocking_packages_installed_by_recommends |
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| 10:26.39 | ychaouche | CutMeOwnThroat: it's not particulary bound to aptitude. |
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| 10:27.26 | ychaouche | sIRwa2: I don't think so unless you can't install any other package, which shouldn't be the case. |
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| 10:30.22 | abcd593 | ychaouche: do you know how I can switch failover IP manually (see above...)? Thank you... |
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| 10:31.53 | ychaouche | abcd593: no sorry |
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| 10:34.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ychaouche, but that's not a bug... by default aptitude installs Recommends... if you don't want that, you have to configure it to do differently |
| 10:34.15 | ychaouche | I didn't say it was a bug. |
| 10:34.21 | ychaouche | or that it was unwanted |
| 10:34.45 | ychaouche | I just said that if one didn't make enough precautions he could get himself in a situation where some packages won't be installed |
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| 10:46.36 | sIRwa2 | CutMeOwnThroat: do have a clue why i have trouble installing openjdk ? |
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| 10:48.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | sIR.... |
| 10:48.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
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| 10:49.23 | sIRwa2 | sorry closed the wrong room |
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| 10:49.53 | sIRwa2 | sorry, closed the wrong room lol |
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| 10:50.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | sIRwa2, is it still the one you wrote some stuff about at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22695459/install-java-on-a-debian-server-broken-tzdata-dependency ? |
| 10:51.01 | sIRwa2 | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 10:51.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | is this a VPS? |
| 10:51.25 | sIRwa2 | !google VPS |
| 10:51.45 | sIRwa2 | im not virtual |
| 10:51.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's got a very old kernel... and not a debian kernel |
| 10:52.03 | sIRwa2 | i have a standard debian instal without X |
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| 10:52.29 | sIRwa2 | im on latest stable |
| 10:52.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, that stackoverflow thingy is not from you, you just see something similar |
| 10:53.39 | sIRwa2 | yhea. sorry, no i did not port that! |
| 10:53.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... and I joined after you described your problem |
| 10:53.52 | sIRwa2 | its just a similar poblrm |
| 10:54.31 | sIRwa2 | o, well i cant seem te install openjdk |
| 10:54.52 | sIRwa2 | but i closed this room just now, so i cant shere the pastbins.. lol |
| 10:55.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions tzdata |
| 10:55.18 | judd | Package: tzdata on i386 -- squeeze: 2014e-0squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 2014h-0squeeze1; wheezy: 2014j-0wheezy1; sid: 2014j-1; jessie: 2014j-1 |
| 10:55.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions tzdata-java |
| 10:55.22 | judd | Package: tzdata-java on i386 -- squeeze: 2014e-0squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 2014h-0squeeze1; wheezy: 2014j-0wheezy1; sid: 2014j-1; jessie: 2014j-1 |
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| 10:55.46 | sIRwa2 | im amd64 |
| 10:55.50 | sIRwa2 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:55.50 | sIRwa2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.51 | sIRwa2 | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
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| 10:56.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | but aptitude says it's a problem with tzdata |
| 10:56.54 | sIRwa2 | yhea |
| 10:57.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | sIRwa2, to rule out the simple... did you run "apt-get update" before you tried to install? |
| 10:57.27 | sIRwa2 | yes! CutMeOwnThroat |
| 10:57.40 | sIRwa2 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:57.41 | sIRwa2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, I found that |
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| 10:58.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, and someone already asked that :) |
| 10:58.33 | sIRwa2 | me? |
| 10:58.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean someone already asked you if your ran apt-get update |
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| 10:59.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | sIRwa2, can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and the content of /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:59.26 | sIRwa2 | yes, but that much i know already.. |
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| 10:59.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | sIRwa2, oh, sources.list you already did... I'm going backwards in the log |
| 11:00.02 | g1ra | How can I alter window resize mouse binding on Wheezy? |
| 11:00.27 | g1ra | using gnome classic |
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| 11:00.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | sIRwa2, there's one thing that is obviously weird with your sources.list... you have "main contrib non-free" on all the "special" repos, but not on the main one... |
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| 11:00.59 | sIRwa2 | CutMeOwnThroat apt-cach policy: http://pastebin.com/Z9NgxzXM |
| 11:01.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | sIRwa2, you should add "contrib non-free" at the end of the two lines deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main |
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| 11:01.27 | DeaDSouL | shutdown and reboot aren't working with xbmc 13.2 which is installed from wheezy-backports... and i'm using wheezy 7.7 without any display manager or desktop-GUIs... only X .... how to make it work ? |
| 11:01.29 | sIRwa2 | yhea, i added that following the stackoverflow |
| 11:01.41 | DeaDSouL | will 'pm-utils' work with inittab ? or it is made for systemd ? |
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| 11:03.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | sIRwa2, no, not the propose-updates one... that's a weird one, too... the line deb "http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main" should read "deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free" |
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| 11:04.28 | sIRwa2 | CutMeOwnThroat i add it, it was the first two entry’s right? |
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| 11:05.07 | sIRwa2 | did an apt-get update, apt-get install.. still unmet should i do an dist update first? |
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| 11:07.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess an update on the errors you get would be good now... |
| 11:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, for the apt-get message... you can try to follow the chain of unmet dependencies to the core... |
| 11:08.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | so if you get openjdk-7-jre : Depends: openjdk-7-jre-headless (= 7u71-2.5.3-2~deb7u1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 11:09.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | then try apt-get install openjdk-7-jre-headless |
| 11:09.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | and so on |
| 11:09.07 | sIRwa2 | http://pastebin.com/29jsKBmu |
| 11:09.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I also wonder about that "you have held broken packages" |
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| 11:10.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | while that's a bit tedious, after a couple of steps you will get a different error |
| 11:10.08 | sIRwa2 | how would that happend? |
| 11:10.15 | sIRwa2 | openjdk-7-jre-headless : Depends: tzdata-java but it is not going to be installed |
| 11:10.19 | sIRwa2 | :) |
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| 11:10.36 | sIRwa2 | im on a default debian install.. |
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| 11:11.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | and then apt-get install tzdata-java tells you that it depends on the wrong version of tzdata, like aptitude does? |
| 11:11.34 | sIRwa2 | zdata-java : Depends: tzdata (= 2014j-0wheezy1) but 2014h-0wheezy1 is to be installed |
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| 11:13.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | and apt-cache madison tzdata |awk '{print $3}'|xargs |
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| 11:13.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I suspect that the netherlands mirror you are using just didn't update the "tzdata" package |
| 11:13.31 | sIRwa2 | 2014j-0wheezy1 2014h-0wheezy1 2014j-0wheezy1 |
| 11:13.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | huch? |
| 11:13.41 | ochiottes | Where would I find/place the configuration files of virt-manager? I'd like it to use a different cert for the TLS connection |
| 11:14.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | sIRwa2, and apt-get install tzdata=2014j-0wheezy1 |
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| 11:16.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmp, and maybe the whole output of "apt-cache madison tzdata" would have been interesting... I don't understand where you get the 2014h-0wheezy1 from... also "apt-cache policy tzdata" should be enlighting |
| 11:16.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | enlightening* |
| 11:16.57 | sIRwa2 | woehaa! |
| 11:17.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I suspect you had a hold placed on tzdata... which you must have done manually at some time :) |
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| 11:18.06 | sIRwa2 | CutMeOwnThroat: its installing atm, did you want that info from me? apt-cach? |
| 11:19.21 | sIRwa2 | CutMeOwnThroat: how could i have done that? i only installed sudo, changed autologin, installed vbetools, samba,zfs,nfs |
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| 11:19.49 | bazhang | ,v sudo |
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| 11:22.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | sIRwa2, I have no idea... also not sure if it was that... but for some reason the version 2014h-0wheezy1 was preferred over the version 2014j-0wheezy1 ... and I still don't see where you get the h one from |
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| 11:25.09 | sIRwa2 | well anyway, i really like to thank you CutMeOwnThroat and ychaouche for your time and expertice |
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| 11:47.41 | gho | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:49.28 | idueppe | Hi! How can I figure out which udev interfaces my server has. I mean I have eth0 but I guess in dracut.cmdline I need to use the new udev names like eno16777736 |
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| 11:50.27 | idueppe | Currently I am in a rescue mode on my root server ... so how can I find out the interfaces names? |
| 11:50.45 | gho | ip link ? |
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| 11:53.28 | idueppe | mmmh... |
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| 11:56.11 | idueppe | paste.debian.net/140177 |
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| 11:56.43 | idueppe | ip link only shows the "eth0" but not the udev bios index ... <- I don't know what it is called |
| 11:56.52 | gho | how about udevadm ? |
| 11:57.02 | gho | I dont know how to use it but it has an info option |
| 11:58.10 | idueppe | ok... I will check it... udevadm info ask for a options... I try to figure out how to use it |
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| 11:59.48 | gho | idueppe, udevadm info /sys/class/net/wlp2s0 |
| 11:59.51 | gho | does it on mine |
| 12:00.18 | idueppe | always get missing option |
| 12:01.03 | gho | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/udev#List_attributes_of_a_device |
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| 12:04.28 | idueppe | with "udevadm info -a -p /sys/class/net/*" I got http://paste.debian.net/140179 |
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| 12:05.09 | gho | looks like it's just eth0 then... ? |
| 12:05.14 | gho | why do you think its something different |
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| 12:07.48 | idueppe | I am trying to setup a dracut.cmdline with earlyssh to unlock luks partitions via dropbear. therefore I need to configure a static ip with "rd.nedneet ip=..." it seems it doesn't work with eth0 and in my virtual maschine for testing I always needed to use eno16777736 but I guess the realtek on my root server is not an onboard card |
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| 12:09.45 | gho | can you not drop to a shell in dracut and issue ip link ? |
| 12:10.43 | idueppe | no ... it is a root server at hetzner I do not have console access |
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| 12:11.32 | gho | cant help you then I'm afraid maybe someone else can. |
| 12:11.45 | caraconan | Hi there. It is possible to plug a SATA disk AFTER the system is up? The operating system will see the disk? |
| 12:11.47 | gho | the regular initramfs isn't difficult to use |
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| 12:12.06 | caraconan | I'm facing a software RAID 1 issue, where the system can't start with good + new disks plugged |
| 12:12.14 | idueppe | thx anyways :-) |
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| 12:12.34 | caraconan | And I was wondering if I can: 1. Start up the degraded RAID (I can confirm I can do it) 2. After that, plug the new disk |
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| 12:27.54 | idueppe | I wonder what commes first systemd interface renaming rules or dracut.cmdline during the boot process |
| 12:28.31 | git_ | Waiting for Debian 7.8.. |
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| 12:28.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | idueppe, boot loader comes before any kernel is there, no? |
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| 12:29.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | but shouldn't you get log/dmesg entries for any renaming that happens? |
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| 12:30.35 | idueppe | no the root log partition is encrypted there cannot any log entries before I unlock the luks drive |
| 12:30.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmesg! |
| 12:31.27 | idueppe | it is a root server... I don't have console access |
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| 12:32.32 | gho | I wonder if you can get dracut to run udev before bringing up the network |
| 12:32.38 | gho | i would have thought that'd be the default though |
| 12:33.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does dmesg have to do with console access |
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| 12:35.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell idueppe about dmesg |
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| 12:45.17 | sdfher | A system needs to know if the hardware clock is in UTC or not. Does a Debian 7 system store this information in /etc/default/rcS or /etc/adjtime? |
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| 12:46.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, utc |
| 12:46.50 | dpkg | Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time). For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems, set "UTC" or "LOCAL" in /etc/adjtime (man 8 hwclock). For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, set the UTC option in /etc/default/rcS appropriately (man rcs). For all systems, run «service hwclock.sh restart» to apply changes. See also <windows utc>. |
| 12:47.20 | sdfher | Thanks. |
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| 12:52.17 | sdfher | I installed a system and chose to interpret the hardware clock as local time. I am struggling to get it interpreted in UTC: |
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| 12:52.20 | sdfher | http://pastebin.com/fjKEiRCM |
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| 12:52.49 | sdfher | I modified /etc/adjtime, and rebooted. |
| 12:53.03 | sdfher | (see the link above for my /etc/adjtime) |
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| 12:53.24 | sdfher | But the system still seems to take the hardware clock as local time. |
| 12:53.31 | sdfher | Do you know why? |
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| 12:53.50 | ychaouche | sIRwa2: so did you resolve your problem ? |
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| 12:55.43 | SynrGy | is the hardware clock really local time, or is the time simply wrong after the change? can you compare with what the BIOS display says? |
| 12:56.13 | sdfher | SynrGy: BIOS shows the same time as hwclock(8) |
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| 12:56.33 | sdfher | It's a Debian 7.7 system. |
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| 12:58.27 | sdfher | Both BIOS and hwclock show the correct UTC time. |
| 12:58.34 | marbus90 | could someone point me as to where configure the startup order on debian jessie? I'd like to start nginx after the ZFSonLinux stuff is up |
| 12:59.03 | sdfher | But the output of dpkg-reconfigure tzdate seems to indicate that the system interprets the clock as local time. |
| 12:59.50 | Shadow_7 | sdfher: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 13:00.11 | Shadow_7 | tzdate... |
| 13:00.12 | SynrGy | sdfher: i don't think you have a problem, then |
| 13:00.15 | sdfher | Yes, of course. Sry. |
| 13:00.33 | z0ran | im trying to install weezy from live usb and in some point it telling me that im missing firmware files "iwlwifi-6000g2a-5.ucode"....is it common or i can install it later |
| 13:00.41 | SynrGy | hwclock is supposed to show you the localized time |
| 13:00.45 | Shadow_7 | old school wise /etc/localtime and /etc/timezone |
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| 13:01.09 | p0g0 | that's part of what the locales settings do, set the local time zone |
| 13:01.20 | sdfher | hwclock and hwclock --utc give the same time. |
| 13:01.31 | sdfher | Which is the correct UTC time. |
| 13:01.42 | sdfher | My timezone should be GMT+1. |
| 13:02.03 | sdfher | But my date(1) shows the same time (UTC). |
| 13:02.30 | sdfher | `date` says: Sun Jan 11 13:03:01 CET 2015 |
| 13:02.45 | Shadow_7 | z0ran: propriety firmwares are not installed by default. You can install later (if you have some other means of networking) |
| 13:03.03 | sdfher | hwclock --utc: 2015-01-11T13:03:38 CET -0.235033 seconds |
| 13:03.29 | sdfher | cat /etc/timezone: Europe/Berlin |
| 13:03.43 | sdfher | (Which is in GMT+1 during the winter) |
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| 13:04.07 | z0ran | thanks Shadow_7 |
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| 13:05.09 | sdfher | Is it true that by using `dpkg-reconfigure tzdata`, I do not have to touch /etc/timezone and /etc/localtime? |
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| 13:05.37 | Shadow_7 | z0ran: firmware-iwlwifi seems to be the related package |
| 13:05.41 | sIRwa2 | ychaouche: well, i did come a lot closer, but it turned out i needed jdk not jre. so im reinstalling debian, because i also did some more crazy stuff that i now know how to do propper.. zfs and so |
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| 13:14.37 | jelly | sdfher: yes, that is correct |
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| 13:18.19 | marbus90 | so, nobody familiar with systemd? |
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| 13:19.54 | Shadow_7 | which part of systemd? systemctl to start/stop versus /etc/init.d/ |
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| 13:20.12 | marbus90 | I'd need to start nginx after ZFSonLinux. |
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| 13:26.06 | ychaouche | there's a systemd channel, just saying :) |
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| 13:27.56 | sdfher | jelly: thx |
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| 13:32.07 | jelly | marbus90: if you're using testing or unstable release, right place to ask is #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net |
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| 13:56.50 | RoyK | any idea where I can find the gcc manual? I have installed build-essential and there are several gcc-related manuals, but not the one for gcc itself. this is wheezy |
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| 13:59.44 | Shadow_7 | manual.gcc.org used to be a place |
| 13:59.48 | pksadiq | RoyK: tried gcc-doc package? you will have to enable non-free repo since some docs are non-DFSG. |
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| 14:04.50 | RoyK | pksadiq: E: Package 'gcc-doc' has no installation candidate |
| 14:05.55 | pksadiq | RoyK: well gcc-doc is in contrib repo. If you enabled non-free only, you can try gcc-4.7-doc or the gcc-version-doc package |
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| 14:07.26 | pksadiq | RoyK: After installation, the doc shall be available in /usr/share/doc/gcc-version-doc/ directory. |
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| 14:08.21 | RoyK | pksadiq: gcc-doc in contrib installed gcc-4.7-doc - any idea why these packages aren't in the standard repos? |
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| 14:10.35 | pksadiq | Royk: Philosophical reasons. The license of gcc manual, which is GFDL, is not considered free with Debian Free Software Guidelines |
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| 14:11.29 | Shadow_7 | gnu.org/manual actually. getting old |
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| 14:12.49 | RoyK | pksadiq: thanks - didn't know that - wikipedia had some info... |
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| 14:13.30 | RoyK | Shadow_7: I still prefer to have manuals installed so that I can just 'man something' when wondering - way faster than using a browser ;) |
| 14:14.31 | Shadow_7 | true. debian-handbook and other things are packages as well |
| 14:14.35 | pksadiq | RoyK: you could ask 'dpkg' bot for dsfg nonfree etc. for more info. (S)he is truely helpful :-) |
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| 14:14.47 | bazhang | ,v nvidia-prime |
| 14:14.49 | judd | No package named 'nvidia-prime' was found in i386. |
| 14:15.00 | bazhang | ruhroh |
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| 15:18.32 | omid8bimo | i have "hosts: files dns" /etc/nsswitch.conf but when i do ping/host/dig and such, it never asks /etc/hosts and goes to dns directly. why? |
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| 15:23.38 | jelly | omid8bimo: run strace on "getent hosts hostnamehere" and see if that's really true (does the process open() /etc/hosts at all) |
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| 15:24.36 | omid8bimo | jelly: output was: "192.168.110.20 kookoja.dev" |
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| 15:24.43 | omid8bimo | that it. |
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| 15:25.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I also wondered ... ping would use getent, I think, but I also saw on a linux system that host seems to go straight for dns |
| 15:25.08 | jelly | omid8bimo: does that mean it worked? |
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| 15:25.41 | jelly | the "host" and "dig" commands are special and used to work with DNS, not to work with resolver library |
| 15:25.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think it's because host/dig are meant for dns lookup only... but what we really want them to do is give us what the getent does |
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| 15:26.47 | omid8bimo | gotcha |
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| 15:38.12 | talsamon | hello, since the update from 3.2.0.3 to 3.2.0.4 kernel xorg does not start anymore , with or without xorg.conf, no errors or warnings in xorg, after reinstall same problem (386-wheezy) |
| 15:38.40 | talsamon | since yesterdays update of the kernel |
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| 16:09.56 | bcm4318 | i am a desktop newbie and my wireless network is WPA, can anyone tell me the actual meaning of: "b43 ssb0:0 wlan0: disabling HT/VHT due to WEP/TKIP use" |
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| 16:10.57 | zabuza | u can whois me |
| 16:11.04 | zabuza | type /wi zabuza |
| 16:11.35 | zabuza | d known unknown |
| 16:11.51 | varunendra | bcm4318, you are using WEP or TKIP in the encryption in the router, hence the driver is disabling HT/VHT |
| 16:12.01 | bazhang | * [zabuza] (punkid@2001:470:1f11:209::13): |
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| 16:12.36 | varunendra | bcm4318, it is recommended to use WPA2-PSK with AES. No WPA/WPA2 mixed mode, no WEP and certainly not TKIP. |
| 16:12.36 | bcm4318 | varunendra, i am a desktop newbie an i do not understand your answer |
| 16:13.59 | varunendra | bcm4318, when you configure the router's security settings for wifi, it asks/offers you certain encryption combinations. You are most likely using WPA/WPA2 mixed mode with TKIP, which is usually the default combination offered by the routers/Access-Points. |
| 16:14.53 | bcm4318 | varunendra, the router part i understand but not the "disabling HT/VHT due to WEP/TKIP use" bit |
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| 16:16.14 | bcm4318 | varunendra, what is that disabling HT/VHT thing, will it affect my laptop' s internet connection in any way? |
| 16:16.26 | abrotman | zabuza: Do you need help with Debian? |
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| 16:16.41 | varunendra | bcm4318, these are (HT/VHT) settings that allow high transfer rates. Since TKIP is an inefficient algorithm, these are disabled when it (or WEP) is detected. |
| 16:17.01 | zabuza | hmmm hello world pass. |
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| 16:17.53 | varunendra | bcm4318, with WEP, or WPA(1) or TKIP, the connection speeds are limited upto 54 Mbps max. With WPA2+AES, you can reach higher speeds if your router/card are capable of that. |
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| 16:19.09 | varunendra | bcm4318, for example, if your router is capable of delivering 'N' speeds (150 Mbps and higher), you won't get its full speed with WEP or TKIP. With WPA2+AES you can. |
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| 16:21.37 | bcm4318 | varunendra, high transfer rates? i am downloading a torrent at 900KiB/s which is OK. The router is a bit far from my laptop so to keep my internet connection up i do iwconfig wlan0 rate 11M. Is that ok? |
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| 16:22.07 | varunendra | bcm4318, HT = High Throughput, VHT = Very High Throughput |
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| 16:23.42 | varunendra | bcm4318, usually, if your card is properly supported by the b43 driver, you shouldn't need to limit its speed like 11M. |
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| 16:24.16 | varunendra | bcm4318, can you show us the output of : 'lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 net' ? |
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| 16:25.25 | bcm4318 | varunendra, N speeds are very high, that i understand but if my laptop's built-in wireless is a G one i think i will not benefit from the router N speed, right? |
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| 16:26.15 | bcm4318 | varunendra, btw my laptop' s built in wireless is BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) |
| 16:26.18 | varunendra | bcm4318, right. Still, WPA2+AES are recommended for higher security. :) |
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| 16:28.11 | bcm4318 | varunendra, you said "if your card is properly supported by the b43 driver, you shouldn't need to limit its speed like 11M" what driver are you actually talking about? |
| 16:28.21 | varunendra | bcm4318, as far as I have seen, BCM4318 is very well supported by b43 (apart from occasional "Can't Scan without intervention" bug). You shouldn't need to limit its speed. Probably changing the encryption itself could fix possible disconnection issues. Trying won't hurt. |
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| 16:29.32 | bcm4318 | varunendra, do you have a BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)? which driver and firmware do you use? |
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| 16:30.40 | varunendra | bcm4318, I used to be an Ubuntu Forums addict (basically a wireless troubleshooter). All my experience comes from there, have been away for quiet some time. So my experience with b43 is at least 3-4 months old now. |
| 16:31.22 | varunendra | bcm4318, a script we frequently use(d) there to debug wifi issues : http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=13024222 |
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| 16:31.49 | abrotman | !bcm4318 |
| 16:31.50 | dpkg | b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. For BCM4313/43224/43225 device support, ask me about <brcmsmac>. For support of the BCM4306 rev 2 and 802.11b-only devices, ask me about <b43legacy>. |
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| 16:32.37 | varunendra | bcm4318, my own understanding on why no TKIP : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12817495 |
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| 16:33.00 | bcm4318- | varunendra, do you have a BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)? what driver and firmware do you use? |
| 16:34.13 | varunendra | bcm4318-, no I don't. I have an Atheros card. Like I mentioned, I used to be a wireless troubleshooter and my experience with BCMxxxx cards comes from there. No first hand experience with this particular one. |
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| 16:35.43 | DexterF | hi |
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| 16:37.14 | DexterF | rebooted deb7 after crash, now cannot init an NX session anymore. authentication goes through, but says it cannot run /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession |
| 16:37.26 | DexterF | in fact, the file is not there, the entire xdm dir, precisely |
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| 16:38.16 | DexterF | shortly before the crash I ran upgrade, so cannot tell if the crash or upgrade introduces the problem |
| 16:38.19 | bcm4318- | varunendra, can you please give me any other piece of advice based on your experience BCMxxxx cards as a wireless troubleshooter? |
| 16:39.38 | varunendra | bcm4318-, frequent disconnections are frequently caused by WPA/WPA2 mixed mode + TKIP. Quite often these are solved by using WPA2+AES. More secure, more efficient. |
| 16:40.02 | bcm4318- | varunendra, thank you |
| 16:40.17 | varunendra | Pleasure. :) |
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| 16:57.08 | nodoubt_ | hi guys, my iceweasel sometimes shuts down for no apparent reason, where could i find a log to understand what's going on? dmesg doesn't mention anything |
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| 17:01.34 | pksadiq | nodoubt_: try starting iceweasel from gnome-terminal (or which ever terminal emulator you have). You might get some cues. |
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| 17:02.25 | teraflops | nodoubt_: also check your addons/plugins if any |
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| 17:02.35 | nodoubt_ | thanks, will do that |
| 17:03.07 | nodoubt_ | speaking of addons, i guess it is recommended to install them using apt-get? |
| 17:03.17 | teraflops | nodoubt_: uhm |
| 17:03.21 | nodoubt_ | i'm new to debian and i naively installed them manually |
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| 17:03.59 | Shadow_7 | without plugins or flash iceweasel is pretty solid |
| 17:04.22 | teraflops | nodoubt_: i think is the proper way (just as in firefox) |
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| 17:05.53 | teraflops | nodoubt_: i mean installing from the browser itself;) |
| 17:07.07 | nodoubt_ | but on the other hand it might be better to have frozen versions of plugins to go along with a frozen firefox, they might work better together, at least that's what i was thinking |
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| 17:08.12 | teraflops | nodoubt_: do you realize how many addons firefox has? |
| 17:08.28 | Shadow_7 | I doubt plugins have debian maintainers to package them |
| 17:08.38 | nodoubt_ | sure! |
| 17:08.47 | nodoubt_ | but in my case the few i use seem to be packaged |
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| 17:21.23 | g00se | Is there any way to install Jessie over Squeeze without being able to boot from anything other than the HD (of course with Squeeze installed)? |
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| 17:24.08 | boyb | When will wheezy-backports get a new kernel? It is at 3.16 and no newer version in the NEW queue. |
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| 17:26.15 | jhutchins | g00se: Do you want a parallel install so you can dual boot? (That's a really good idea for testing.) |
| 17:26.24 | jhutchins | !debootstrap |
| 17:26.24 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 17:26.36 | Cpuroast | g00se: you can upgrade to Jessie, by simply altering your sources file |
| 17:27.01 | jhutchins | g00se: Of course, if you upgrade, then when testing is broken you don't have a working system. |
| 17:27.14 | Cpuroast | indeed :) |
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| 17:28.30 | teraflops | heh |
| 17:28.53 | g00se | Actually i'd be happy with stable. debootstrap won't do it really as i want to replace the OS. dist-upgrade is closer, but then i'd like to wipe first you see |
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| 17:30.01 | Cpuroast | you can boot from USB? |
| 17:30.04 | Cpuroast | or CD? |
| 17:30.08 | Cpuroast | and netinstall? |
| 17:30.08 | g00se | Neither |
| 17:30.15 | Cpuroast | fun |
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| 17:39.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | g00se, you could resize and put the installer-image on a small partition, I guess... the iso images can boot from usb directly now so you should also be able to boot it from a regular HD |
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| 17:41.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernels |
| 17:41.36 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.18.0-trunk-686-pae (3.18-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 17:42.06 | knoppix | judd = bot ? |
| 17:42.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | boy.... funny, he left after 5 minutes... at least he's consistent in his impatience :) |
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| 17:42.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | knoppix, yes |
| 17:42.52 | knoppix | thought so |
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| 17:44.46 | knoppix | about to install debian linux on personal. anything i should know about release/bug/installer/blah-blah-blah ? or will it be a smooth ride (for the most part) ? |
| 17:44.51 | g00se | CutMeOwnThroat: Ah so you're saying the isohybrid image could be dd'd to a bootable partition? |
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| 17:45.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | g00se, guess so... I don't see that that would be different from a usb install (you can /msg dpkg usb install) except that you don't have the problem "bios won't boot from usb" - but maybe I'm overlooking something |
| 17:46.13 | SynrG | knoppix: we could answer that better if we knew something about your hardware |
| 17:47.12 | knoppix | synrG pretty generic. older emachine. ps2 kbd & mouse. crt mon. |
| 17:47.27 | SynrG | probably fine, then |
| 17:48.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, errata |
| 17:48.00 | dpkg | Last minute notes regarding Debian 7 "Wheezy" are listed at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/errata . Known problems in the installer are listed at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/#errata |
| 17:48.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | knoppix, ^^^ |
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| 17:48.20 | knoppix | k. just thought i'd as because you never know when someone will find a gapeing hole in security or something. |
| 17:48.31 | SynrG | knoppix: how much ram, and how much disk space? if it's not so old either of those would be a problem, then it should generally go well. |
| 17:48.49 | g00se | Prob with that is how would i make such a partition on the same medium as the mounted root fs? |
| 17:48.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | knoppix, most common pitfall is with firmware, most commonly with the wireless... but guess not with the hardware you describe :) |
| 17:49.04 | knoppix | disk shoule be find ... 100g ram ummmm 500m |
| 17:49.22 | SynrG | that's sufficient, though i would suggest perhaps not the default desktop with so little |
| 17:49.38 | knoppix | cutmeownthroat yeah it should be fine then. |
| 17:50.23 | SynrG | consider lxde or xfce4 |
| 17:50.29 | jhutchins | SynrG: A hard disk too small to install Debian on would be unlikely to still be functional. |
| 17:50.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | 500M ram is probably problematic with gnome-shell |
| 17:50.42 | Shadow_7 | pre-2006 computers can't boot from usb. Although some can chainload grub on the usb from grub on a CD. configfile (hd#,#)/boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 17:51.01 | SynrG | jhutchins: no. i have some eeepc model 4G systems that are small but circa 2007 and drives are fine. |
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| 17:51.14 | SynrG | jhutchins: 4G drive. i wouldn't recommend a full gnome desktop on that :) |
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| 17:51.33 | knoppix | synrG & cutmeownthroat ok. i like lxde so i'll go with that. thanks. |
| 17:51.43 | SynrG | !install lxde |
| 17:51.43 | dpkg | To install <LXDE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «aptitude install lxde». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using LXDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > LXDE > Install". |
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| 17:52.56 | knoppix | will that be on the "live" install disk too ? |
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| 17:53.29 | SynrG | knoppix: on the lxde flavour of live disk? it's debian we're talking about, i hope, and not knoppix ... |
| 17:53.31 | SynrG | which is not debian |
| 17:53.55 | SynrG | i.e. LXDE flavour found at http://www.deiban.org/CD/live |
| 17:54.06 | knoppix | synrG yes yes and roger that. in that order. ty. |
| 17:54.06 | SynrG | i.e. LXDE flavour found at http://www.debian.org/CD/live |
| 17:54.10 | SynrG | sorry. typo |
| 17:54.28 | knoppix | :) |
| 17:54.29 | SynrG | don't use the desktop installer. use the "Install" boot option |
| 17:54.32 | SynrG | it's more robust |
| 17:54.41 | knoppix | k |
| 17:54.53 | SynrG | the desktop installer generally works, but can fail in some corner cases. |
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| 17:55.19 | SynrG | having low ram may be one of those cases |
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| 17:58.36 | dcht00 | hey hey. i've got a question about a lagging system, particularly showing in web browsers. I see no swapping, free memory, free CPU, nothing on iotop, and yet the thing is damn laggy |
| 17:58.40 | dcht00 | I am NOT looking for optimization tips, but where the lagging should show up and how to observe it with some tool. anything else that can cause it? |
| 17:59.58 | knoppix | as per why i'm no knoppix atm, i had a knoppix cd lying around and needed to backup the hdd before i start any os change. so... knoppix to the task. now that it is almost finished; i'll go reboot and install debian from the debian live (lxde) disk i dl'd thanks for all. and to all. |
| 18:00.07 | knoppix | no / on |
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| 18:06.17 | g00se | dcht00: a failing HD? |
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| 18:09.59 | evolbug | hellow |
| 18:10.40 | evolbug | i have a problem in openbox. i used obmenu to add a shortcut to a folder but it doesnt work. i used pipe-menu to ~/Desktop |
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| 18:13.11 | g00se | Is ~/.bash_history shadowed? I've just cleared it and the terminal is still remembering commands ... |
| 18:13.42 | g00se | (or cached [ i did log out and in])? |
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| 18:14.01 | Walex2_ | g00se: it must be the NSA :-) |
| 18:14.09 | evolbug | hello??? |
| 18:14.20 | evolbug | i have a problem in openbox. i used obmenu to add a shortcut to a folder but it doesnt work. i used pipe-menu to ~/Desktop |
| 18:14.26 | nkuttler | g00se: help history? |
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| 18:15.46 | g00se | nkuttler: :) i didn't know it was that simple |
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| 18:22.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | dcht00, or maybe slow DNS |
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| 18:24.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | dcht00, as for g00se's suggestion... yes... IO problems on a disk could also cause that... you'd see that in /var/log/messages or dmesg... the dns thing... just see how long something like "time host www.nowhere.com" takes... should be around 0.2s |
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| 18:42.16 | jhutchins | dcht00: You should make sure that smartmontools is installed and enabled for your disks, you can use iostat from the sysstat package to watch system io. top will show you processes in iowait state, as will ps. |
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| 18:47.37 | bcm4318 | i am a desktop newbie. what does "b43-phy0: Hardware crypto acceleration not supported by firmware" mean? and how would it affect my laptop' s internet access? |
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| 18:53.26 | jhutchins | bcm4318: SHouldn't. |
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| 18:53.47 | jhutchins | bcm4318: You can often get very useful results by pasting a whole error message like that into a web search. |
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| 18:55.03 | bcm4318 | jhutchins, shouldn' t? can you please ellaborate on that in terms that a desktop newbie would understand? |
| 18:55.25 | nightray | Hey guys! Could anynoe help me with IRSSI? I am trying to install one plugin but I can't find it, and since I am new to Debian I am lost |
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| 18:56.19 | Nightray | It's irssi-plugin-otr |
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| 18:57.20 | deepy | Is there any documentation on how to set up devotee? |
| 18:57.38 | Nightray | apparently it's not in the repo and I don't know how to find the repo that has it |
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| 19:16.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions irssi-plugin-otr |
| 19:16.25 | judd | Package: irssi-plugin-otr on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo70+1+b2; jessie: 1.0.0-1+b2; sid: 1.0.0-1+b2 |
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| 19:17.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nigh.... *sigh* |
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| 19:17.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course nobody would have bothered to answer more than a full 5 minutes later... |
| 19:18.14 | jelly | it's spelled *Neigh*, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 19:18.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Brony! |
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| 19:20.51 | tambor | hello, I'm trying to do something funky. On a centos7 server I want to start a systemd-nspawn container that runs debian. I've already debootstrapped debian amd64 testing into a directory and booted it, but when I get to the login prompt, I don't know what root password to use |
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| 19:21.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, set one in /etc/passwd of it? |
| 19:21.39 | tambor | what would be the default root password for a system you've just debootstrapped? Or do I need to do some funky manual chroot and set the root password myself? |
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| 19:22.17 | petemc | tambor: usually you chroot into into and set password as normal with passwd |
| 19:22.24 | jelly | tambor: there isn't one, set it manually |
| 19:22.48 | jelly | debootstrap doesn't do a lot actually |
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| 19:22.59 | tambor | CutMeOwnThroat, I know the "pw" utility from freebsd allows specifying a different /etc/passwd file than the one from the host running it, but is there something equivalent in debian? |
| 19:23.08 | tambor | ok |
| 19:24.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | tambor, you can even just edit /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow with vi and copy stuff over from a different passwd... it's not a running system so you don't need to care about locking... no special tools needed |
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| 19:24.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | or as pointed out, you can chroot in and call "passwd" as usual |
| 19:24.35 | tambor | CutMeOwnThroat, ok gonna try that first, if not I'll go with the chroot (which I've done before) |
| 19:25.04 | tambor | wanna test that other approach which seems more primitive to me |
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| 19:26.57 | jelly | nothing wrong with running "chroot /path/to/chroot passwd root" |
| 19:27.23 | tambor | I know it's just the bind mounts that annoy me :) |
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| 19:29.06 | jelly | I don't know how/whether systemd will help automating that, it would certainly be nicer than custom init scripts to run chrooted services in debootstrapped environments |
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| 19:31.07 | tambor | jelly, systemd-nspawn will allegedly take care of all the prerequisites for doing the "chroot on steroids" for you |
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| 19:31.39 | tambor | systemd-nspawn -bD /container/directory |
| 19:32.03 | tambor | and you got yourself a running container |
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| 19:45.24 | Abu-Ahmad22 | hi |
| 19:45.31 | Abu-Ahmad22 | Does this piece are invited in Linux WL572USB |
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| 19:47.02 | Abu-Ahmad22 | how to install drivers WL572USB in linux |
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| 19:49.32 | Abu-Ahmad22 | how to install drivers WL572USB in linux |
| 19:50.10 | mtn | Abu-Ahmad22: this might help: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/146029/bought-wireless-adapter-cant-use-it |
| 19:50.22 | PryMar56 | tambor, I did this to get dbus socket fixed on C7: http://pastebin.com/vy9hPVR4 |
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| 19:52.17 | dcht00 | cutmeownthroat and jhutchins thanks very much. bizzarely i think my cpu is running on 800mhz all the time |
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| 19:54.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | dcht00, interesting... |
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| 20:00.47 | dcht00 | cutmeownthroat: cpufreq-info says "current policy: frequency should be within 800 MHz and 800 MHz." |
| 20:00.56 | dcht00 | auto scales down ... |
| 20:01.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, at least that's not a too-wide margin |
| 20:01.24 | dcht00 | i have kind of a broken battery & power cable. found a bug around that |
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| 20:37.13 | DeaDSouL | hi :) |
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| 20:38.48 | Stargazers | Howdy? |
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| 20:48.10 | DeaDSouL | why do some pleople use LVM when they partitioning their disks ? |
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| 20:49.27 | CissWit | DeaDSouL: it provides more flexibility and has some useful features like snapshots |
| 20:50.39 | nodoubt | hi, it's me again with my iceweasel problem. i've launched it from a terminal, reproduced the bug and it said "stack smashing detected". what the hell is that, a security vulnerability? i've seen people having this with flash player libs but the library involved in my case is libxul |
| 20:51.47 | DeaDSouL | CissWit: I'm planning to build a new PC for NAS.. with debian of course... and I was thinking should I use LVM ? is there any good article explains when should I use it and when should i not ? |
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| 20:52.11 | pingfloyd | DeaDSouL: yes you should |
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| 20:54.21 | DeaDSouL | pingfloyd: do you any good article talks about LVM? |
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| 20:56.45 | DeaDSouL | and what is the best filesystem for NAS? there is linux, windows, mac os, machines in my local network... |
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| 20:57.55 | pingfloyd | DeaDSouL: there's tons of how-tos and wikis |
| 20:58.02 | CHVNX | Research the value of zfs |
| 20:58.07 | pingfloyd | would be good to read a few |
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| 20:59.18 | pingfloyd | I don't know of any that are debian specific |
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| 21:00.05 | DeaDSouL | CHVNX: zfs is great filesystem made by sun .. which is awesome for snapshots.. as well as it is so hungry for RAM... which is the defualt and recommended filesystem by FreeNAS and NAS4Free.... I know a little about it... but will it be the ideal filesystem in linux? specially debian? |
| 21:00.38 | pingfloyd | DeaDSouL: this one isn't too bad, but you need to extrapolate what is and isn't applicable |
| 21:00.48 | pingfloyd | DeaDSouL: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LVM |
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| 21:03.20 | DeaDSouL | pingfloyd: I have an old network storage box .. when i checked the system... it was debian with xfs... it was working fine with linux and windows.. but not with macos |
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| 21:04.05 | DeaDSouL | so, i thought xfs would be the recommended filesystem for NSA... but i guess i'll have to do my researches :P |
| 21:04.26 | pingfloyd | DeaDSouL: it's more the sharing protocol |
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| 21:06.05 | Jeeves_Moss | why is my USB to serial converter not showing up? http://pastebin.com/cfkWU6WX |
| 21:06.28 | pingfloyd | DeaDSouL: you want to use a file sharing protocol that compatible with all the clients |
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| 21:08.29 | pingfloyd | DeaDSouL: what problem did you have with it for os x clients? |
| 21:10.41 | DeaDSouL | pingfloyd: timemachine doesn't work with it.... and it cann't mount protected folders even with the username and password... and sometimes the afp doesn't work properly |
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| 21:11.02 | DeaDSouL | pingfloyd: even with fuse hacks in mac os |
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| 22:06.05 | grrk-bzzt | Hello |
| 22:06.18 | grrk-bzzt | I'm having difficulties with a simple shell script |
| 22:06.37 | grrk-bzzt | I doing a simple for loop which is the following |
| 22:07.11 | grrk-bzzt | for N in $(ls *.bin) ; do ; cp $N $N.bak ; done |
| 22:07.17 | grrk-bzzt | This is a basic exemple |
| 22:07.34 | grrk-bzzt | Problem is, filenames stored in N have spaces and special characters |
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| 22:07.52 | grrk-bzzt | Therefore the command things there's multiple arguments |
| 22:07.57 | grrk-bzzt | How can I bypass that? |
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| 22:11.09 | rryoumaa | grrk-bzzt: why are you doing ls? |
| 22:11.16 | rryoumaa | try without it |
| 22:11.27 | rryoumaa | and use quotes for your vars |
| 22:11.45 | grrk-bzzt | I tried with quotes, but it changes nothing |
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| 22:11.56 | rryoumaa | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.08 | grrk-bzzt | command "$N" "$N".bak outputs the same result |
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| 22:12.27 | rryoumaa | that is because you already split |
| 22:12.32 | grrk-bzzt | How |
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| 22:12.43 | rryoumaa | no ls needed |
| 22:13.23 | grrk-bzzt | Please be more specific, I don't understand what you mean |
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| 22:15.06 | trampel | just suffered through a wheezy->jessie upgrade. system wouldn't reboot. some error associated with "plymouth" (wtf is "plymouth"?) finally got to the web by bringing it up by hand. |
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| 22:15.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | grrk-bzzt, it's better to ask this in |
| 22:15.36 | trampel | "auto" -> "noauto" of an ancillary drive in the fstab?? that wedges a system reboot? |
| 22:15.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | grrk-bzzt, it's better to ask this in #bash, they have a factoid for that... do for n in $.bin; do whatever; done |
| 22:16.20 | wuffi600 | if created softlinks in /etc/rc?.d/ boot on bootup and shutdown they are ignored. how can update startup and shutdown to process them in sysV style? |
| 22:16.47 | wuffi600 | (wheezy installed today with no special packages) |
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| 22:17.58 | trampel | so in summary: systemd prevents a full boot, because of an "error" in fstab which didn't used to be an error, and doesn't let you know that it's problem was with fstab (<expletive deleted>) |
| 22:18.13 | teraflops | trampel: plytmpouth is the silly framebuffer nice-looking shit at boot time if you dont want plyomuth just uninstall it or if you wanr plymouth setup correctly, also remember to run regenerate initramfs |
| 22:19.09 | teraflops | trampel: look if you have wrong lines on the fstab as in /dev/whatever that does not exist |
| 22:19.20 | trampel | teraflops: plymouth wasn't -the- error. the error was with something that read fstab. plymouth was just the final error mentioned. that is, journald somehow isn't doing its job. |
| 22:19.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | trampel, write a bug-report using reportbug if it's something coming from packages and not from you, also if it is something that can easily be fixed in the package... |
| 22:20.03 | trampel | there are already bug reports out there about this. that's how i found to look in fstab just given "plymouth" |
| 22:20.03 | teraflops | trampel: check if the lines on fstab are correct |
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| 22:22.55 | trampel | in wheezy these fstab lines worked, in jessie they cause the system not to boot. there were no errors messages about fstab given. but thanks to bug reports that association was made. we deserve better journald error messages. |
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| 22:23.55 | trampel | (not a happy systemd customer seeks a beer in solace) |
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| 22:29.48 | wuffi600 | how can i make the system bootup/shutdown process the manually created softlinks in /etc/rc?.d/ ? |
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| 22:32.45 | dcht00 | cutmeownthroat ! found solution |
| 22:33.09 | dcht00 | http://blog.patshead.com/2013/04/my-bios-is-limiting-my-cpu-clock-speed.html |
| 22:33.27 | dcht00 | the BIOS was somehow limiting CPU freq scaling down to 800mhz |
| 22:33.58 | dcht00 | fxck knows how long I've been running at that. this bios overrider set it straight |
| 22:34.06 | dcht00 | pure wtf. |
| 22:34.23 | dcht00 | good night all! thanks. |
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| 22:37.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... that's a good happy ending for me to go as well, gn |
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| 22:56.08 | ovidiu-florin | how can I see what disk and what file a process is accessing? |
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| 23:06.54 | jordanm | ovidiu-florin: lsof/fuser or strace |
| 23:07.10 | jordanm | ovidiu-florin: or ls -l /proc/<pid>/fd |
| 23:07.22 | ovidiu-florin | I've used lsof -p |
| 23:07.23 | ovidiu-florin | thank you |
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| 23:10.40 | eri_ | somebody can help men with restore o format debian via ssh ? |
| 23:10.45 | eri_ | or remotly? |
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| 23:16.36 | DeaDSouL | I have this command 'ps auxf | sort -nr -k 3 | head -5' which shows top 5 CPU Consuming Process.. how can I get rid of the space' ', backward-slash'\' and underscore'_' that is before the name of the process ? |
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| 23:17.46 | dvs | DeaDSouL: Remove the "f"? |
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| 23:18.20 | DeaDSouL | dvs: thanks |
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| 23:18.48 | dvs | np |
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| 23:22.58 | tommyF | hi |
| 23:23.55 | tommyF | is it possible to have an hdmi out port come into my computer? and display on screen? there is an hdmi out port on the computer so i figure that won't work as input and what about to usb in? |
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| 23:34.13 | tommyF | would an hdmi to vga converter actually work to a vga monitor? |
| 23:34.55 | Epakai | that's what they do... |
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| 23:36.15 | Epakai | as far as an hdmi input you'd need a capture device, usb or pci/pcie and linux support will be rare |
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| 23:37.33 | DeaDSouL | is it possible to make conky works in console without any X session ? |
| 23:37.48 | tommyF | Epakai: i've been googling for hours (standard #debian disclaimer :) and seems that even the capture device might fail cause of encryption? |
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| 23:40.58 | Epakai | depends what device is creating the image |
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| 23:43.51 | tommyF | are you familiar with roku? |
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| 23:48.04 | Epakai | looks like roku does HDCP encryption, yes. there are so called hdcp stripper, but that is probably a grey market device |
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| 23:50.18 | Twinsen_ | anyone have experience with network bridges? I added a bridge but now DNS lookup isn't working |
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