00:01.39 | ZZZZE3 | what is the app used by gnome-control-center for user admin |
00:01.41 | ZZZZE3 | ? |
00:01.41 | obsed | Famous quotes by Bill Gates: "I watched the piles of feces go up the conveyer belt and drop into a large bin. They made their way through the machine, getting boiled and treated. A few minutes later I took a long taste of the end result" |
00:02.12 | ZZZZE3 | my gnome-control-center not have this icon |
00:02.52 | abrotman | obsed: wrong channel |
00:03.08 | obsed | sorry, that was mean to be in a private social chan |
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01:20.38 | jaggzt | Iridos, save/restore my package selection? |
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01:20.50 | jaggzt | I have a script which reinstalls existing packages to try to get the perms back |
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01:51.04 | theseb | files can't never ever have / in their name??? |
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01:52.31 | Tramp | theseb: that and a NULL. |
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01:55.35 | rryoumaa | and it is customary to avoid shell syntax like spaces :) |
01:56.14 | phy1729 | because removing a file named -rf is hard |
01:57.09 | phy1729 | (it's rm ./-rf or rm -- -rf) |
01:57.11 | Tramp | if you don't know, what you're doing |
01:57.42 | phy1729 | Tramp: or you're tired and not thinking |
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01:57.59 | Tramp | given :) |
01:58.03 | phy1729 | or it's a poorly written script or any number of other edge cases |
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02:03.10 | jeezy | hi |
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02:19.43 | srg | I have the debian installer running on a laptop right now. I selected the "Guided Partitioning", all files on a single partition with a encrypted LVM. |
02:20.04 | srg | In the progress bar that's going "Erasing data on ...." it says "partition #5". I' mjust wondering why there's 5 partitions.... |
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02:26.35 | ArtVandalae | srg, I imagine it's on an extended partition. In my setup (which sounds similar to yours), I have partitions: sda1, sda2, sda5 |
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02:27.05 | srg | Hm, ok |
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02:27.41 | srg | I just wanted to make sure it wasn't partitioned wrong before I wait 8 hours for it to erase this data |
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02:28.45 | ArtVandalae | yep, I know the feeling :) The first time I did it, I had to redo it, because my swap partition ended up being being some ridiculous number in size (e.g. 25GB) |
02:29.04 | srg | aw man |
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02:32.20 | cafuego | ArtVandalae: WHich is reasonable if you have 24GB of ram and insist on doing suspend to disk. |
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02:33.41 | cafuego | hides |
02:33.51 | cafuego | James_T: stalker |
02:34.18 | Kayvlim | what happens if you try to suspend to disk with not enough free swap? is the suspend attempt refused, or the system boots as if it wasn't suspended at all? |
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02:34.47 | cafuego | Kayvlim: No idea, I stopped running Linux on my laptop after the Nth time wifi broke with a kernel update. |
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02:36.25 | Kayvlim | you could always use the previous kernel, right? |
02:36.54 | sydney | Just stop installing new kernels :P |
02:37.39 | cafuego | I *could* have kept using the older vulnerable ekrnels, sure :-) |
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02:39.07 | Kayvlim | still regarding the suspend to disk (I was going to abbreviate it, but it looks like it's a bad idea), if I recall correctly, Windows has a hiberfile.sys to hold the RAM contents; is there anything in Linux close to this behavior? or you always have to ensure that the free swap is enough? |
02:39.45 | sydney | Kayvlim: Not as far as i know. |
02:40.16 | c|AFK|uego | Kayvlim: I don't know either way, sorry... but google should know for certain. |
02:40.19 | sydney | Kayvlim: As long as swap is bigger than ram, you shouldnt have an issue. |
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02:40.34 | sydney | Hybernate, correct? |
02:40.55 | c|AFK|uego | Kayvlim: Mind you, writing 32GB of swap to a spinning rust disk is going to make suspend and resume be slower than a reboot ;-) |
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02:41.14 | Kayvlim | I'd guess that the best approach would be to allocate a disk file and swapon it before suspending to disk, if it had to get to this |
02:41.40 | Kayvlim | sydney: yes, hibernation, I think it's the equivalent of suspending to disk |
02:41.42 | c|AFK|uego | Kayvlim: assuming a swap *file* is supported for that |
02:41.52 | Kayvlim | hm, indeed |
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02:42.42 | Kayvlim | about the time it takes to suspend, I don't usually suspend to disk, but I do use more swap space than I should (with a 2 GB RAM eeePC acting as a desktop with a browser full of tabs, it tends to happen) |
02:43.36 | Kayvlim | I probably won't risk suspending to disk if there's not enough swap space; something I could google, yes, or test myself someday :) thanks! |
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02:44.21 | sydney | :) |
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02:46.01 | obsed | upgrade ram |
02:46.49 | Kayvlim | eh, more like "upgrade laptop"; on wishlist! |
02:46.59 | sydney | DanC: Hows you issues coming? |
02:47.03 | DanC | hm. I used LVM pvmove to more my data from one disk to another while booted from a rescue CD, but now when I boot from my original system, I can't mount the logical volumes. have I got some goofy lvm metadata somewhere? |
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02:47.25 | sydney | Kayvlim: I have a 2gig laptop and it does well with lxde ;) |
02:47.39 | DanC | $ sudo mount /media/commons |
02:47.39 | DanC | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mapper/pavg-commons |
02:47.40 | sydney | ive never used over 3 gigs of ram on linux at one time before. |
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02:47.55 | Kayvlim | sydney: it's firefox/chrome that eats up the RAM, mostly; I only use awesomewm, and no desktop environment |
02:47.55 | sydney | my desktio is 3 gig. |
02:48.04 | Kayvlim | it's probably as light as I can get |
02:48.12 | sydney | Kayvlim: Cool :) |
02:48.16 | sydney | yep :) |
02:48.35 | sydney | I dont do as drastic of multitasking then :P |
02:48.55 | Kayvlim | DanC, $ file -s /dev/mapper/pavg-commons |
02:48.55 | DanC | between web browsers and dev tools (sqldeveloper, intellij) I'm more comfortable with 8GB RAM |
02:49.02 | Kayvlim | (I'm out of context, but it usually helps me) |
02:49.11 | DanC | pavg-commons: symbolic link to `../dm-3' |
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02:49.18 | Kayvlim | file -skL |
02:49.33 | DanC | pavg-commons: ReiserFS V3.6 |
02:49.41 | sydney | Well, i do get all the "antique equipment also. |
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02:49.47 | sydney | "" |
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02:49.57 | DanC | $ grep commons /etc/fstab |
02:49.57 | DanC | /dev/mapper/pavg-commons/media/commonsreiserfs |
02:49.58 | sydney | This desktop is 8.5 Years old; ) |
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02:50.25 | z1haze | hello - would anyone be able to help me out with setting up a cron job to remove directories that havent which havent been modified for more than 48hrs? |
02:50.33 | DanC | so ReiserFS V3.6 is what I'd expect |
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02:50.48 | Kayvlim | hm, "mount -t reiserfs /media/commons" doesn't work? |
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02:51.10 | Kayvlim | sydney: undergraduate college students working as sysadmins don't usually get paid up much :) |
02:51.42 | sydney | Kayvlim: You? :) |
02:51.53 | DanC | nope. "... bad superblock ..." |
02:52.12 | Kayvlim | some servers are 8 years old and tend to die soon; 32 GB servers certainly don't swap (for OOM issues) - if they do; we'd be doing it wrong! |
02:52.22 | Kayvlim | yup, me |
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02:52.37 | DanC | [ 4612.284797] REISERFS (device dm-3): found reiserfs format "3.6" with standard journal |
02:52.38 | DanC | ... |
02:52.39 | Kayvlim | DanC: check what dmesg | tail says |
02:52.40 | sydney | Kayvlim: Cool :) |
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02:52.49 | DanC | [ 4612.299350] REISERFS error (device dm-3): vs-5150 search_by_key: invalid format found in block 196631. Fsck? |
02:52.58 | sydney | Im just a 15 y/o boy that loves to dink with linux :) |
02:53.04 | Kayvlim | you beat me to it! yup, probably fsck |
02:53.06 | DanC | [ 4612.299355] REISERFS error (device dm-3): vs-13070 reiserfs_read_locked_inode: i/o failure occurred trying to find stat data of [1 2 0x0 SD] |
02:53.11 | Kayvlim | ouch |
02:53.12 | DanC | ok... |
02:53.19 | Kayvlim | smartctl -a /dev/dm-3 |
02:53.27 | Kayvlim | if you don't have smartctl, sudo apt-get install smartmontools |
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02:53.54 | sydney | also likes it when stuff *just works*. |
02:53.55 | DanC | I think I only turned on smartfoo in my bios recently |
02:54.02 | sydney | Dont we all? ;) |
02:54.21 | DanC | Please specify device type with the -d option |
02:54.24 | DanC | hm |
02:54.27 | DanC | Please specify device type with the -d option |
02:54.31 | DanC | dm-3: Unable to detect device type |
02:54.31 | DanC | Please specify device type with the -d option |
02:54.33 | srg | Blah. Is there any way to override Debian Installer's "erase" when using "Guided Paritions with Encrypted LVM" ? It's taking forever to erase the disk and the drive is new. |
02:54.43 | Kayvlim | sydney: nice, keep it going! although if stuff just works with linux, I guess you're not abusing it as you should :P |
02:54.57 | sydney | Kayvlim: :P |
02:55.06 | sydney | I prefer it not to break :P |
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02:55.33 | Kayvlim | of course, but plenty of experience comes from having hard (or just plain stupid) problems |
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02:55.59 | Kayvlim | I recently bought a USB 3.0 PCI Express controller, and eagerly installed it on my work desktop |
02:56.09 | sydney | Kayvlim: Like installing the wrong graphics drivers? :P Had that twice. |
02:56.26 | DanC | that was wierd. I got banned... for accidentally entering lines starting with / , I think |
02:56.33 | Kayvlim | I read about having to enable xHCI support on BIOS, and the way I understood it, I was supposed to disable the EHCI drivers |
02:56.55 | sydney | You didnt get banned, freenode thought it was a command. |
02:56.57 | Kayvlim | the moment I disabled the ehci_hcd driver, I remembered (after pressing Return) that my keyboard is USB :) |
02:57.05 | sydney | oh, weird. |
02:57.14 | Kayvlim | DanC: nope, your messages were seen as flooding the channel |
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02:57.30 | DanC | oops |
02:57.38 | Kayvlim | you wrote three times the same thing; please don't :) |
02:57.38 | sydney | oops, that too. |
02:57.59 | sydney | We all accedently do it at one time or another ;) |
02:58.00 | z1haze | hi, would someone please help me with a cronjob setup? |
02:58.07 | DanC | any suggestions on what -d for smartctl? |
02:58.26 | Kayvlim | but about your issue, I'm guessing /dev/dm-3 points to a partition (it was stupid of me to suggest a smartctl on it) |
02:58.44 | DanC | it's an lvm volume, I think |
02:58.44 | Kayvlim | find out which disk hold /dev/dm-3 (sda? sdb? ...), and smartctl -a /dev/sd* |
02:58.49 | DanC | sdb |
02:59.02 | Kayvlim | you had an I/O error; that's usually bad news |
02:59.13 | DanC | especially since it's a brand new disk |
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02:59.23 | Kayvlim | being brand new is a good thing - warranty! |
02:59.39 | Kayvlim | paste the output of smartctl (on pastebin or something like that!) |
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02:59.50 | DanC | SMART Error Log Version: 1 |
02:59.50 | DanC | No Errors Logged |
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03:00.04 | sydney | paste.debian.net |
03:00.06 | DanC | lots more output; nothing suspicious |
03:00.16 | DanC | ok... |
03:00.21 | sydney | :) |
03:00.21 | Kayvlim | paste that output too |
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03:00.43 | Kayvlim | it hold values such as whether the disk is too hot, does it have bad sectors, etc, it's useful |
03:00.59 | Kayvlim | an example: 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0 |
03:01.23 | Kayvlim | if you don't have anything like that (SCSI disks?), I don't know how to help; if you do, that's what I'm looking for |
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03:01.36 | DanC | http://paste.debian.net/139657/ |
03:01.38 | Kayvlim | btw, since you're at it, smartctl -t short /dev/sdb |
03:01.44 | Kayvlim | to make a short test |
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03:02.11 | DanC | "Testing has begun." |
03:02.20 | Kayvlim | Power on hours = 51, that's *really* new |
03:02.35 | sydney | Eyah, wow. |
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03:03.10 | Kayvlim | everything looks fine to me; if you care about that, run the smartd daemon to warn you about imminent failures |
03:03.15 | Kayvlim | (over time) |
03:03.39 | DanC | yeah... seems more likely to me that I've got skewed LVM metadata somehow |
03:03.50 | Kayvlim | but remember, if it warns you that the disk is about to fail, it'll probably be too late to retrieve your stuff. Always have good backups! |
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03:04.17 | DanC | where does LVM get its metadata from? the /etc on the currently running system wasn't online when I did my pvmove stuff |
03:04.18 | Kayvlim | yes, that's probably it, and I can't help you there - I have little experience with LVM, and none whatsoever with reiserfs |
03:04.30 | Kayvlim | no idea :/ |
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03:04.45 | Kayvlim | but you have lvmdump to show you ... stuff |
03:05.00 | Kayvlim | I don't know what I can get from it, I know it exists and may be helpful to you |
03:05.07 | DanC | how do I look at the results of the smart test? |
03:05.12 | Kayvlim | -a |
03:05.14 | Kayvlim | again |
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03:06.00 | DanC | # 1 Short offline Completed without error |
03:06.03 | Kayvlim | make sure you don't accidentally test twice simultaneously (repeating a history command, for example); I'm not sure if it does anything harmful, but it certainly isn't useful :) |
03:06.31 | Kayvlim | ok, you can make a long test later (it usually takes about an hour or two... or three) |
03:06.35 | Kayvlim | -t long |
03:06.53 | Kayvlim | don't do it while you're using the computer; it'll be slower |
03:06.57 | Kayvlim | * it may be slower |
03:06.59 | DanC | I don't really want to think about hardware failure |
03:07.12 | DanC | (though surely the data is still on the disk that I copied from) |
03:07.19 | Kayvlim | by now, I don't think its that either |
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03:08.18 | Kayvlim | but don't neglect those tests; it's always a good thing to know that you're disk is about to fail before it does |
03:08.29 | Kayvlim | * your, omg |
03:09.31 | pingflood | Just keep good backups and then you won't worry when it fails, other than it being unavailable until restore is done. |
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03:11.32 | DanC | reiserfsck suggests --rebuild-sb. hm. |
03:11.56 | DanC | the fact that `file` and company see ReiserFS makes me think this might be worthwhile. |
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03:13.09 | DanC | Last fsck run: Fri Jan 2 15:35:05 1970 <- unlikely. |
03:13.37 | Kayvlim | wait, you're not sure it has ReiserFS in it? |
03:13.48 | DanC | I'm sure it *had* a ReiserFS on it. |
03:13.59 | DanC | i.e. it's *supposed* to have one |
03:14.20 | Kayvlim | ah, ok |
03:15.11 | Kayvlim | I'm not sure how reiser works (I do have an idea that it may take hours to rebuild from journal), so I'd rather not recommend anything other than google or someone more experienced to help you |
03:16.06 | DanC | I've done this (rebuild the superblock) before. |
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03:16.44 | DanC | plus, my commons volume is stuff I downloaded from the commons. nothing precious nor irreplaceable |
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03:17.45 | DanC | now it suggests --rebuild-tree :-/ |
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03:25.57 | DanC | lvm metadata on /dev/sdb5 seems to match /etc |
03:26.40 | DanC | uses clue from http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/154678 |
03:28.12 | DanC | proceeds with --rebuild-tree |
03:30.15 | DanC | I do have one hypothesis: I have a USB to SATA adapter, and I had the old disk connected by that for a bit. I got lots of errors via that setup (including a failure of the adapter to supply enough power to spin up the disk). |
03:30.35 | DanC | I presumed the errors were not actually on the disk but only adapter artifacts, but maybe not. |
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03:31.27 | DanC | Pass 3 in progress... no scary screenfuls of diagnostics so far. |
03:32.09 | Kayvlim | I'd guess that problems with the adapter would have stopped the copy |
03:32.38 | DanC | I didn't even try to copy via the adapter, given the errors |
03:33.12 | DanC | fsck seems to have completely worked. nothing in lost+found |
03:33.58 | DanC | stuff like /media/commons/Cory_Doctorow_-_For_the_Win.pdf looks just fine! |
03:34.33 | DanC | for all the bad-mouthing ReiserFS gets, my experience with it has been entirely positive |
03:34.48 | DanC | for a dozen years or so, at least |
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03:35.54 | JollyRoger12 | hi #debian |
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03:36.12 | DanC | on to an ext4 fs... screenfuls of scary stuff from fsck :-/ |
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03:37.13 | DanC | hm... that fs seems to be empty. I guess that's right. |
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03:38.13 | JollyRoger12 | is linux torvalds still using Gnome? I want to use what he is using since he is in the know. |
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03:40.15 | abrotman | JollyRoger12: ask him, why would you ask us? |
03:40.32 | DanC | finds some supposed answers in http://www.quora.com/What-Linux-distribution-does-Linus-Torvalds-use-on-his-MacBook-Air |
03:40.56 | JollyRoger12 | but i dont' think someone as high as him woudl respond to a random person as me. |
03:41.09 | abrotman | then ask google, seems easy enough |
03:41.21 | rryoumaa | it isn't whether he would respond; it's whether it's polite to ask |
03:41.30 | abrotman | JollyRoger12: Do you need help with Debian? |
03:42.07 | rryoumaa | and it's more that a zillion people would ask such questions and not that he is king |
03:42.17 | OSVG | You'd have a hard time asking Linux Torvalds. |
03:42.37 | OSVG | But, yes, he is using gnome, and Fedora. As expressed by his recent blog post on updating to F21 |
03:43.56 | JollyRoger12 | i'm using Debian |
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04:27.06 | ArtVandalae | maher, what about gir1.2-* e.g. gir-1.2-glib-2.0 ? |
04:28.16 | maher | ArtVandalae: I found the build logs - I'm installing the stuff they used there... |
04:28.26 | ArtVandalae | cool |
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04:38.27 | al_nz1 | I am stuck at grub rescue after removing a hdd |
04:38.42 | al_nz1 | I still have a hdd (hd0,1) with a OS that I want to boot |
04:38.45 | al_nz1 | pls help |
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05:00.02 | ArtVandalae | al_nz1, what is hd0,1 ? Is that the /boot partition? |
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05:10.17 | al_nz1 | its the partition with ubuntu on it |
05:10.32 | al_nz1 | i am asking in debian because it was debian that installed the grub |
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05:28.36 | rjsalts | wth, foo_script: line 15: analog: command not found, yet it's in my $PATH, put an echo $PATH the line before it and it works |
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05:36.45 | notmarc | (08.01 7:21am) (Iridos): notmarc / Mysterytrain you may want to switch that off on !moo for this channel :) -sorry, didnt pay enough attention to it to realise it actually did that. done. |
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05:46.00 | radd__ | hi is there any one how has experience about FreeRadius ? |
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05:46.33 | DrakkenWarr | radd__ for integrating a radius server? |
05:46.36 | DanC | ugh... my most valuable filesystem ended up with 32K+ items in lost+found after reiserfsck --rebuild-tree |
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05:46.54 | DanC | I have mediocre backups |
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05:47.45 | radd_ | DrakkenWarr, no for AAA radius server |
05:47.54 | DrakkenWarr | ah |
05:48.11 | DanC | looks like a whole iPhoto archive got lost+found |
05:48.18 | radd_ | DrakkenWarr, i want to setup it, an i need hel could you help me ? |
05:48.46 | DrakkenWarr | for an AAA not at this moment.. dealing with some other shiz atm |
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05:51.48 | radd_ | who can help e about FreeRadius server ? |
05:53.49 | DanC | I take that back... my backups SUCK |
05:54.10 | DanC | that is: I didn't back up some of the most important stuff. sigh. |
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05:58.30 | shay_shay | meh |
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05:59.53 | DanC | ah... but I do have another copy of these files. in fact, I might have deleted this copy of these files. hm. |
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07:30.20 | DeaDSouL__ | hi... is there anyway to install debian to usb... not from usb.. and not burning live-image to usb.. but actually install it on usb as if it is a physical hard-drive ? |
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07:33.37 | ArtVandalae | Yes, this should work: install to your USB stick, as you would install to a regular hard drive |
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07:34.14 | ArtVandalae | i.e. boot the installer (from another USB stick, or CD/DVD), and then *install* Debian onto your USB stick, treating it as a regular hard drive |
07:34.23 | DeaDSouL__ | ArtVandalae: I tried that.. but it doesn't want to boot |
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07:34.49 | ArtVandalae | A couple of things. 1. Do you have grub installed to the USB's MBR? 2. Do you have a boot partition (/boot) on your USB stick? |
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07:36.55 | DeaDSouL__ | ArtVandalae: I tried to install grub to main MBR... didn't work... also tried to install it on usb (/dev/sdb) ... same thing didn't work |
07:37.22 | ArtVandalae | why didn't it work? Did you get an error? |
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07:38.58 | DeaDSouL__ | no.. in fact it's freezing after : grub loading |
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07:43.33 | ArtVandalae | hm... I'm going to guess that's the MBR, correctly trying to boot from /boot, but not finding it for some reason |
07:44.06 | ArtVandalae | if you run: fdisk -l /dev/<yourusbstick> <--- is there a /dev/sd*1, which has a bootable flag? |
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07:50.33 | jsin | What might go wrong with Universal USB Installer that would make the debian live image say no bootable partitions when attempting to boot to the USB? |
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07:53.15 | SirLagz | jsin: why do you want to run debian live ? |
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07:55.34 | jsin | I have a gpg key on a usb drive that I want to move to a smartcard without the risk of a compromised system |
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07:57.24 | jsin | I tried tails, but the version of gpg on tails is too old and doesn't support 4096 bit keys on smart cards (max 2048) |
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07:58.47 | jsin | I'm running universal usb installer again... maybe something went wrong last time |
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08:00.32 | DeaDSouL__ | ArtVandalae: here http://pastebin.com/UwLk5neh |
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08:02.10 | FreezingCold | Okay, so I switched my hard drive into a new computer and it won't boot anymore |
08:02.14 | FreezingCold | says my passphrase is wrong |
08:02.15 | FreezingCold | but... |
08:02.26 | FreezingCold | the UUID is in grub |
08:02.39 | FreezingCold | however, root='(hd0,msdoes1)' |
08:02.45 | FreezingCold | that could be wrong |
08:03.07 | ArtVandalae | DeaDSouL__, where's your root partition? All I see is a boot partition, and a swap partition (living as an extended partition)? |
08:03.13 | FreezingCold | anyone? |
08:03.15 | FreezingCold | help |
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08:05.37 | FreezingCold | cryptsetup unknown fstype |
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08:05.42 | jsin | well, I'm trying again, bbiab |
08:06.19 | DeaDSouL__ | ArtVandalae: it's on /dev/sdd1 |
08:07.43 | DeaDSouL__ | ArtVandalae: /dev/sdd: sticky x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x83, active, starthead 32, startsector 2048, 15294464 sectors; partition 2: ID=0x5, starthead 74, startsector 15298558, 755714 sectors, code offset 0x63 |
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08:08.19 | ArtVandalae | DeaDSouL__, what is sdd? I thought you wanted to install Debian to a USB stick? |
08:08.42 | FreezingCold | okay so it's just booting the wrong hard drive |
08:09.00 | FreezingCold | unplugged the other one and now it boots fine |
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08:09.09 | FreezingCold | but ideally I'd like to use both hard drives I paid for |
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08:10.52 | DeaDSouL__ | ArtVandalae: it is usb |
08:11.36 | ArtVandalae | so, why don't you install grub to MBR, /boot and /swap to your USB stick? Why only the root partition? |
08:12.40 | smartass | hi, is there some way to specify a fallback networkign setup in interfaces? |
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08:13.44 | smartass | I have a server about to be moved to a different subnet, but I don't know when and I'm looking for a way to make ifup use the right configuration |
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08:14.22 | smartass | I've been thinking about assigning eth0:1 the second subnet, but is there a nicer solution? |
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08:15.14 | DeaDSouL__ | ArtVandalae: /dev/sdd1 has the root, and /dev/sdd5 has the swap |
08:15.23 | ArtVandalae | smartass, that's a good solution. You could create 1. A config for a static network 2. A config for a DHCP network, etc. Just make sure your firewall isn't too aggressive. |
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08:16.18 | ArtVandalae | DeaDSouL__, but your MBR and /boot are on another disk ??? Why don't you just install it all onto /dev/sdd ? Anyway, I'll try get it working for you, using your solution |
08:16.35 | smartass | ArtVandalae: the thing is that I don'ŧ want ti to use DHCP on the new subnet, should be static |
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08:17.24 | ArtVandalae | ' <DeaDSouL__> ArtVandalae: I tried to install grub to main MBR... didn't work... also tried to install it on usb (/dev/sdb) ... same thing didn't work' <--- it's not enough to install MBR. You need a /boot partition too |
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08:18.38 | smartass | I'd like it to do something like: try the new subnet, if can't ping gateway, maybe not there yet, fallback to dhcp |
08:18.59 | DeaDSouL__ | ArtVandalae: the first time i installed it, it said that it's safer to install it on main MBR on /dev/sda.. but it ruined everything.. so, the second time I didn't install to main MBR.. but instead to /dev/sdb .. which at time of the installation the usb stick assigned to sdb |
08:20.27 | ArtVandalae | DeaDSouL__, if you have time: reinstall Debian. Assuming /dev/sdb is your USB stick: 1. Install MBR to /dev/sdb 2. Make sure /boot exists on /dev/sdb (i.e. /dev/sdb1), and finally make sure a root partition exists (e.g. /dev/sdb5) |
08:20.34 | smartass | hmm, maybe mapping stanza is what I want |
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08:23.30 | DeaDSouL__ | ArtVandalae: it has /boot .. please check http://pastebin.com/jsXsY67k |
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08:29.15 | ArtVandalae | sorry DeaDSouL__ I'm out of ideas. |
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08:35.19 | DeaDSouL__ | ArtVandalae: it's ok man.. thanks... do you know how to check if the bootloader or grub is installed on sdd or not ? |
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08:39.25 | DeaDSouL__ | ArtVandalae: http://pastebin.com/3ZCapHed |
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08:46.28 | SPF | DeaDSouL__: you could try less -f /dev/sda, if you see the string GRUB, then grub is installed |
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09:10.10 | abcd593 | Hi, (1) is it possible to implement High Availability for two servers that are located on different subnets? If yes with which software? (keepalived seems to work only on the same subnet). (2) Is it theoretically possible to have 2 servers in different geographical locations but in the same subnet? |
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09:11.25 | Stummi | what are you actually trying to do? |
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09:13.17 | abcd593 | Stummi: HA on 2 servers that are located in two different cities |
09:13.43 | abcd593 | I would use keepalived if they were on the same subnet... |
09:13.47 | Stummi | HA on which levels? DNS? IP? |
09:14.01 | Stummi | you can set up an VPN to have them in the same network |
09:14.03 | TyrfingMjolnir | abcd593: I'd use project-fifo( SmartOS ) for different geo locations |
09:14.23 | TyrfingMjolnir | with VPN |
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09:15.10 | abcd593 | DNS? IP? hmm... on which level keepalived works? probably IP... |
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09:16.18 | abcd593 | VPN + keepalived could work? |
09:16.24 | abcd593 | I'll check project-fifo... |
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09:17.02 | TyrfingMjolnir | abcd593: Which applications are you running? |
09:17.48 | abcd593 | nginx with static content right now... could be LAMP stack in the future |
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09:19.17 | TyrfingMjolnir | I moved from LAMP to SmartOS w/NginX, postgreSQL, NodeJS and AngularJS haven't looked back. |
09:20.53 | abcd593 | is this project-fifo something like OpenStack? |
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09:21.44 | Kingsy | hey, I have some .ttf files. How can I install these on my system? |
09:21.48 | Kingsy | font files |
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09:25.52 | abcd593 | TyrfingMjolnir: I actually prefer to work with dedicated servers... |
09:26.17 | TyrfingMjolnir | abcd593: What do you mean by dedicated servers? |
09:26.27 | TyrfingMjolnir | I have 2 SuperMicro machines |
09:26.33 | TyrfingMjolnir | In which runs 10 VMs |
09:26.53 | TyrfingMjolnir | SmartOS actually loaded balances which VM is available on which node |
09:27.04 | TyrfingMjolnir | *load balances |
09:27.19 | TyrfingMjolnir | And there are no partition sizes in smartOS |
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09:33.30 | bookmark | hi |
09:34.18 | bookmark | if i have 32 bit debian installed will binaries that i compile work on a 64 bit shell(other computer that is 64bit)? |
09:35.19 | bookmark | like because i don't know if the shell will be 32 bit or 64 bit |
09:35.33 | Vroomfon1le | yes, but you may need to add some 32-bit libraries to the other computer, depending on what you're doing |
09:35.45 | Vroomfon1le | but basically, yes, it will work. |
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09:38.57 | abcd593 | TyrfingMjolnir: are VMs the service you provide, or are they needed for functioning? I'm asking, because I seemingly do not need any virtualization. All I want is to have 2-servers-setup (no single point of failure) that run nginx and deliver static content. Maybe I'm wrong, but a specialized OS sounds like an overkill. (it might have useful facilities for content synchronization between servers, and/or uniting of discs of different serv |
09:38.59 | abcd593 | ers into one though). |
09:39.50 | TyrfingMjolnir | The only benefit of SmartOS over linux is ZFS |
09:40.08 | TyrfingMjolnir | If you only want to server static content why are you not using lighttpd? |
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09:43.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | VMs are just for separating the different services. |
09:43.16 | Iridos | Kingsy, if it's just for your own user, you can dump them into ~/.fonts |
09:43.19 | TyrfingMjolnir | and to load balance them |
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09:45.32 | Iridos | bookmark, if the amd64 computers have the same versions of 32bit libraries, they can. but switching from one system to another often fails because different versions of the same library often aren't compatible (even though they're mostly suppoesed to backward-compatible) |
09:46.05 | abcd593 | TyrfingMjolnir: I have load balancing in place right now, but the LB itself is a single point of failure. I want to eliminate this, so if LB is down - the second server should take over the whole traffic. Thats it... |
09:46.11 | Kingsy | got ya |
09:46.17 | Kingsy | Iridos: thanks |
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09:46.20 | Guest84342 | good morning free friends :) may i ask you, how i can move the displayed area of the x-server (right now i am using openbox as wm)? i am using only an hdmi-projector and the screen is split in half: first half (normally the left side) is on the right side of the projector, and vice versa.... may somebody give me a tip for a handy gui-tool rather trying xrandr offsets (i suppose this may work?)? |
09:46.45 | TyrfingMjolnir | abcd593: You would avoid all that "manual labour" by using project-fifo |
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09:47.10 | GPenguin | hello, what is the prefered tool for reporting a bug? still bugreport? |
09:47.39 | Iridos | it's called "reportbug", but yes :) |
09:47.50 | GPenguin | thanks :) |
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09:49.24 | Guest84342 | ah - thanks, i will try this :) - i think i will have to try login in a plain user first, to see if its really a bug. if so, i will do a report! have a nice day so long =) |
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09:51.49 | Guest84342 | hmmm, hmmm - i am starting to think i overreacted by thinking the answers were related to my topic xD FiFo doesnt seem to be related to projectors.. |
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09:52.35 | Iridos | Guest84342, gnome has a tool for it, I guess most other DEs have... not sure what one could use under openbox |
09:52.52 | abcd593 | TyrfingMjolnir: I'm afraid that learning a new OS is more complicated than implement this last step (HA)... I might be wrong though... |
09:53.16 | TyrfingMjolnir | Depends on if you only look at the time spent now |
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09:53.28 | Iridos | Guest84342, possibly arandr? |
09:53.29 | TyrfingMjolnir | Or if you look at how your workflow will be in the future |
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09:55.01 | yourbeau | I miss Debian |
09:55.05 | yourbeau | I want to switch back |
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09:55.38 | TyrfingMjolnir | I still have debian in some of my VMs |
09:55.42 | TyrfingMjolnir | I really do like apt |
09:55.50 | petn-randall | yourbeau: Then go ahead. Do you need anything from us? |
09:55.53 | TyrfingMjolnir | yourbeau: What did you switch to? |
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09:57.14 | yourbeau | TyrfingMjolnir, Trisquel 7 |
09:57.34 | TyrfingMjolnir | Never heard about. |
09:57.37 | TyrfingMjolnir | apt based? |
09:57.47 | yourbeau | Ubuntu 14.04 deblobed |
09:57.48 | yourbeau | fully free |
09:57.52 | yourbeau | FSF-endorsed |
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09:58.47 | Junka | i get auth failed when i try to connect to irc with a vpn on |
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09:58.58 | Junka | with empathy* |
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10:00.04 | yourbeau | petn-randall, waiting for Debian 8 |
10:00.13 | yourbeau | I need updated hplip drivers and all out of the box |
10:00.23 | yourbeau | kernel is going to be 3.16 or something right ? |
10:00.32 | yourbeau | but that is not even mentioned in Kernel.org |
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10:01.27 | Devastator | ,v kernels |
10:01.28 | judd | No package named 'kernels' was found in i386. |
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10:01.33 | tschundeee | "mysql-community-server : Depends: mysql-common (= 5.6.22-1debian7) but 5.5.40-0+wheezy1 is to be installed" WHat to do? |
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10:06.34 | yourbeau | When would Debian 8 ship ? |
10:06.36 | yourbeau | In a week ? |
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10:07.21 | hypermist | I need to install iptables |
10:07.29 | hypermist | oh woops my english failed |
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10:08.01 | Junka | yourbeau: no, in a few months |
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10:09.42 | tschundeee | yourbeau: Q1 2015, right? |
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10:10.28 | hypermist | i need to install iptables:i386 |
10:10.33 | hypermist | but idk how |
10:12.12 | Junka | hypermist: are you on 64 bit system |
10:12.30 | hypermist | I think im on x32 |
10:12.41 | hypermist | Idk. |
10:12.57 | tschundeee | uname -m |
10:13.06 | yourbeau | Junka, oh sucks |
10:13.07 | tschundeee | hypermist: what does this print? |
10:13.10 | hypermist | x86_64 |
10:13.11 | yourbeau | tschundeee, aaaaaah |
10:13.19 | tschundeee | hypermist: you're on 64bit |
10:13.24 | hypermist | okay |
10:14.16 | Junka | you need multiarch |
10:14.27 | tschundeee | anyone using https://www.dotdeb.org repositories under wheezy? |
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10:15.19 | hypermist | multiarch Junaos is that pointed at me ? |
10:16.22 | hypermist | Junka * |
10:16.28 | Junka | hypermist: yeah but why do you need a 32bit iptables? |
10:16.52 | hypermist | Cause apprently thats what openvpn-as wants |
10:16.52 | GPenguin | where is the file with the back report after reportbug failed to delivef? i have no MTA |
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10:17.01 | GPenguin | back/bug |
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10:17.34 | hypermist | actually don't worry Junka |
10:17.57 | Junka | hypermist: https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch |
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10:19.26 | hypermist | I cannot seem to install openvpn-as |
10:21.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | yourbeau: Looks much better than Ubuntu |
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10:21.41 | TyrfingMjolnir | GNOME instead of unity |
10:21.44 | yourbeau | TyrfingMjolnir, it is sure the best option out there but the problem is when you seek fully free system |
10:21.47 | TyrfingMjolnir | I miss enlightenment |
10:21.52 | yourbeau | you may be some issues |
10:22.03 | TyrfingMjolnir | I prefer to do debian base install |
10:22.07 | TyrfingMjolnir | and apt-get from there |
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10:22.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | usually vim and curl only |
10:22.20 | TyrfingMjolnir | But xfce might do as well |
10:22.41 | yourbeau | ok |
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10:23.02 | TyrfingMjolnir | linux is still my favorite tool; even though I use Mac for laptop, iOS on phone, I still can not live without nmap, vim, xxd and so on |
10:23.15 | TyrfingMjolnir | sed |
10:23.17 | TyrfingMjolnir | awk |
10:23.25 | TyrfingMjolnir | Not to mention apt-get |
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10:25.42 | Vroomfon1le | to be fair, mac also has sed/awk/nmap/vim ;) |
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10:26.08 | TyrfingMjolnir | Vroomfon1le: :-) |
10:26.14 | TyrfingMjolnir | But even ls is fcuked up on mac |
10:26.41 | TyrfingMjolnir | The gnu ports are more agnostic when it comes to parameter sequence amongst other things |
10:27.29 | tschundeee | TrafficMan: get homebrew for mac |
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10:27.41 | tschundeee | http://brew.sh |
10:28.07 | tschundeee | you get the latest and greatest wget, vim etc by "brew install vim" |
10:28.16 | tschundeee | brew update && brew upgrade |
10:28.21 | tschundeee | to keep you packages fresh |
10:28.39 | tschundeee | basically a really nice apt-like package manager for macos |
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10:30.37 | jelly | hypermist, tschundeee: what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say? uname -m is not definitive, that's just the kernel |
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10:34.14 | sabbia | ciao |
10:34.20 | sabbia | ! list |
10:34.20 | dpkg | sabbia: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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10:51.33 | tschundeee | jelly: I was dropped out IRC. My dog was demanding a gassi-round :D Wanted to let you know that I solved my MySQL update by adding dotdeb.org packages to my /etc/apt/sources.list - not very elegant but at least it did the job |
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10:51.58 | tschundeee | jelly: thx for your help yesterday |
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10:57.12 | jelly | tschundeee: dotdeb packaging is often shoddy, IMHO |
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10:57.51 | tschundeee | jelly: okay so what would you recommend? their package is 5.6.21 and current is 5.6.22 |
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10:59.49 | tschundeee | jelly: you also said that about the offical mysql apt-repo by oracle :D |
10:59.59 | jelly | tschundeee: I'd go with percona. Version numbering doesn't match the features and fixes anyway since percona has their own extra featureset |
11:01.09 | jelly | tschundeee: yeah, but I haven't _tried_ the oracle repo yet, that was just a guess |
11:01.47 | tschundeee | jelly: when I wanted to install the oracle version I got this: "mysql-community-server : Depends: mysql-common (= 5.6.22-1debian7) but 5.5.40-0+wheezy1 is to be installed" WHat to do? |
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11:02.55 | tschundeee | so somehow it got confused which version I wanted to take. it created a mysql.list file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
11:03.36 | tschundeee | didn't know how to convince apt to use the mysql.list file for all mysql-server-5.6 dependencies |
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11:06.40 | Iridos | generally, if you stick to debian packages and backports, Stuff Worksâ¢. If you do not... well, you see it yourself |
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11:08.36 | tschundeee | Iridos: needed the current mysql version... |
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11:41.15 | Jonuz | Was CD-1 only must-have .iso for installing debian? |
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11:47.41 | ghormoon | hi, is it possible when using mate and connecting to the machine through vnc to make it autolock on inactivity? it autolocks locally, but not on vnc session. I can lock manually though |
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12:02.00 | eblip | how to see all applications installed on my debian |
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12:02.17 | tuxx- | eblip: dpkg -l |
12:02.25 | eblip | thanks tuxx- |
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12:03.01 | tuxx- | that is ofourse, if you installed it via apt-get/aptitude.. things compiled by hand wont show up in that list. |
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12:33.36 | fraff | anyone got an idee why pgrep "test-process" doesn't find exec -a test-process sleep 5m ? |
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12:33.53 | fraff | but pgrep -f does |
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12:36.43 | jelly | fraff: and pgrep -x test-process ? |
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12:51.35 | Dimonax | Can I use fbset to adjust my console resolution manually after system startup? Using KMS. |
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12:51.55 | Dimonax | Or is there another utility I should be using? |
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12:54.21 | dokma | Is this enough to verify that there is a website on a given domain? wget domain.tld 2>&1 | grep '200 OK' ?? |
12:55.01 | wget | dokma: Personally I prefer to get that information reading the HTTP header properly with curl -I |
12:55.43 | wget | dokma: What about others codes? Like 3xx for the redirection? |
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12:58.35 | _abc_ | Can someone please point me at a howto which explains how to set reset and configure laptop mode etc using pm-utils ? |
12:59.17 | fraff | wget: wget -S :) |
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13:00.07 | dokma | wget, bot? |
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13:00.11 | dokma | :D |
13:00.11 | suggestor | hm when I do #su it tried to connect to an network ldap server, why? and where do I find configs for that? |
13:00.32 | wget | fraff: Thanks indeed. Despite my name, I know more about curl than wget :-/ |
13:00.40 | wget | dokma: Not yet :D |
13:00.45 | dokma | ohh, so still evolving |
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13:01.09 | dokma | yeah, so I have a list of some 700 email,url combinations |
13:01.21 | wget | dokma: Well actually I know more about curl, because curl has a dedicated lib I use for several projects, which isn't the case of wget. |
13:01.24 | dokma | so I guess filtering out those that do not return 200OK would give a rather small list |
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13:02.00 | dokma | but thanks for reminding me of other codes that do indicate a valid web site |
13:02.15 | wget | dokma: He. Don't rely on the HTTP presence to check if a mail actually exists! For example some friends of mine and myself included only have a DNS domain without having an HTTP server running on it. |
13:02.38 | dokma | wget, that's not my use case |
13:02.53 | dokma | I've already got valid emails. I'm just checking if there is a website on a given domain |
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13:02.59 | wget | dokma: Personally I would check about the presence of a DNS MX record first, then check for a valid IMAP/POP server on some common port 993,547,etc; |
13:03.19 | dokma | wget, emails are not the issue |
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13:03.27 | dokma | wget, presence of a web site is |
13:03.33 | wget | dokma: Ah ok. In that case, checking the HTTP headers are enough then. |
13:03.44 | dokma | wget, thanks a bunch for your time |
13:03.59 | dokma | you've got a Äevapi when you come to Zagreb |
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13:05.46 | Dimonax | Alright. There any utilities to have KMS adjust the console res manually after bootup? |
13:06.11 | babilen | Dimonax: info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration' |
13:06.21 | babilen | (and adjust in /etc/default/grub) |
13:06.33 | wget | dokma: :D No problem. Btw, don't forget that HTTP server might be missing and only checking for 2xx and 3xx values, are not enough since you won't be able to get headers at all without http server obviously. |
13:06.33 | wget | eg.: Resolving wget.be (wget.be)... failed: Name or service not known. |
13:07.08 | BotaniCar | dokma: aren't you in UK by now ( if you're the Dokma i think you are ) ? :) |
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13:12.32 | ByT3b0N3 | hi there |
13:12.34 | ByT3b0N3 | <PROTECTED> |
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13:15.05 | _abc_ | Is there a one stop tutorial for systemd based debian? Debian howto based on systemd, iow? |
13:15.35 | SPF | !tell _abc_ about systemd |
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13:34.30 | RC123 | <PROTECTED> |
13:34.50 | RC123 | how does wheezy get affected because of leap second ? |
13:35.06 | RC123 | any impact and plans to mitigate ? |
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13:37.13 | Brigo | RC123, are you kidding? :) |
13:39.24 | _abc_ | fwiw this is a good intro http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/527639-managing-services-on-linux-with-systemd |
13:39.34 | _abc_ | Hire Carla for the Debian project ;) |
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13:43.07 | Brigo | _abc_, it is not a bad advice :) |
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13:44.21 | Ormu | hey, what is that "standard" live CD here? -> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ |
13:44.50 | Ormu | does it have a graphical desktop at all? |
13:45.32 | Stummi | standard comes without desktop iirc |
13:45.32 | petn-randall | RC123: No, there's nothing we can do, we're doomed. Start building your nuclear shelter and stack it up with rations. |
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13:46.43 | Stummi | actually the last leap second brought some issues, but I think this bugs should be fixed by now |
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13:48.04 | petn-randall | Stummi: Yeah, but it didn't "wreak havoc on the infrastructure powering the internet." |
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13:48.21 | RC123 | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2rn03p/leap_second_will_be_added_this_june_30th/ |
13:48.39 | RC123 | as per this, kernel < 3.3 is vulnerable |
13:48.40 | petn-randall | Stummi: It caused high CPU load on MySQL until it was restarted, that was the gravest problem I remember. And that bug was fixed. |
13:48.59 | petn-randall | RC123: I'm pretty sure the fix was backported to 3.2. |
13:50.36 | Stummi | petn-randall, didn't it also caused high CPU load on the kernel itself? |
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13:51.18 | _abc_ | In lxde, right clicking on desktop shows no menus. What setting fixes this please? |
13:51.44 | RC123 | petn-randall: yes in 2012 we faced cpu issues on squeeze and had to reboot |
13:51.55 | RC123 | petn-randall: might be its fixed in wheezy |
13:52.24 | RC123 | though, wheezy backports had 3.16 kernel |
13:52.30 | petn-randall | RC123: It was also fixed in squeeze. |
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13:55.47 | _abc_ | Hmm I also have no startup notifications from apps on lxde. This is all in openbox/LXDE/menu.xml right? Do I have to do something for it to be read on startup, as it seems to be ignored? |
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13:59.37 | _abc_ | hmm it is loaded and parts of it run. But not the root menu entry. Any ideas where to look? Any button click on desktop causes no action and no message, buttons work fine inside apps and on window decorations. |
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14:00.11 | maroloccio | why do i see this?? dpkg-query --show --showformat '${Description}\n' bsdiff -> dpkg-query: no packages found matching bsdiff ?!? apt-cache show bsdiff is fine! |
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14:04.53 | petn-randall | maroloccio: apt-cache acts on the repository list, dpkg-query on the locally installed packages. |
14:05.21 | maroloccio | petn-randall: of course!! i haven't installed it yet, thanks! |
14:05.33 | petn-randall | maroloccio: You're welcome! |
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14:07.00 | RC123 | petn-randall: do u have reference to bug fix for leap second ? |
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14:09.28 | petn-randall | RC123: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=679882 |
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14:51.53 | sabbia | ciao |
14:51.59 | sabbia | ! list |
14:52.00 | dpkg | sabbia: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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14:57.15 | maroloccio | how can i get absolutely NO output from apt-get --quiet --quiet intall skynet? |
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14:58.21 | KidCartouche | maroloccio, how about apt-get --force --yes --quiet install whatever 2>&1 >/dev/null |
14:58.48 | maroloccio | KidCartouche: no. |
14:59.06 | maroloccio | KidCartouche: it's talking like skynet.. too much. i don't wanna see all that output.. :( |
15:00.19 | petn-randall | maroloccio: Show us the output on http://paste.debian.net. Adding '2>&1 >/dev/null' should redirect *any* output to /dev/null, I'm not sure about any child processes, though. |
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15:04.19 | maroloccio | Selecting previously unselected package... i don't wanna see this type of crap |
15:04.36 | maroloccio | Unpacking blah <-- why do i need to know it's unpacking?! |
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15:05.24 | maroloccio | update-alternatives: <-- don't wanna see either. etc. etc. etc. etc... |
15:05.27 | _abc_ | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20150108 ... debianists?1 |
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15:13.01 | maroloccio | and what makes me mad most of all is this message after i put --quiet --quiet and >/dev/null that appears on stderr (!?!?!?!!?!?!?!) -> Extracting templates from packages: 100% (which... is... just... a DEBUG level severity, not even INFO??) why!!! |
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15:14.23 | jelly | maroloccio: file a bug report and propose levels of dpkg and apt output you'd like to be able to hide |
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15:15.36 | maroloccio | jelly: there is NO doubt that it is a BUG to have such stuff on stderr, yes... try it yourself: "Extracting templates from packages: 100%" |
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15:17.05 | jelly | maroloccio: Sure, but if you want it fixed or discussed, please check existing bugs at http://bugs.debian.org/apt and http://bugs.debian.org/dpkg, and file one using reportbug tool. |
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15:21.15 | [exa] | Hi everyone |
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15:21.25 | [exa] | What's the easiest method to "clone" a debian system? |
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15:21.54 | [exa] | like, if I have gentoo, I just copy the whole root to the other machine and run grub-install there, and it works. |
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15:22.48 | tomodachi | [exa]: thats not entierly true, not even for gentoo |
15:22.55 | tomodachi | your cloning method works |
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15:23.00 | tomodachi | but your boot would still fail |
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15:23.13 | tomodachi | since your fstab would have the wrong uuid for the disk on the remote machine |
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15:23.42 | [exa] | tomodachi: that's right, but I'm not using UUIDs here, roughly for that reason.. |
15:23.54 | tomodachi | so you need to do some finishing touches, but nothing stops you from rsyncing all filesystems onto a new disk installing grub and doing it that way |
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15:24.29 | [exa] | tomodachi: is there some official docs on reinstalling the grub from a cloned disk image? |
15:24.30 | tomodachi | who uses physical systems now anyway :) i use xen , since its not using grub i can actually rsync one machine into a new lvm to create a "copy" |
15:25.00 | tomodachi | hmm not really anything conclusive that i could find when I did it the last time |
15:25.03 | tomodachi | i have my own notes |
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15:25.05 | [exa] | oh, I do. It's for heavy networking (traffic shaping routers) |
15:25.13 | tomodachi | if you want them ill translate them for you |
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15:25.45 | dimitry7 | Hello guys, I see this in my authlog: Disconnecting: Too many authentication failures for erick [preauth] |
15:25.59 | dimitry7 | but the thing is that this user has NOT been trying to authenticate |
15:26.03 | tomodachi | [exa]: hmm my notes are in english so its zero effort actually |
15:26.16 | dimitry7 | what do you think might be happening? something from his machine is trying to SSH ? |
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15:27.19 | [exa] | dimitry7: if the machine is connected to the internet it's pretty usual that it is a subject of password bruteforcing. |
15:27.45 | [exa] | dimitry7: you might want to look at the IPs |
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15:28.01 | tomodachi | [exa]: http://pastebin.com/cCZ6d020 |
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15:29.22 | [exa] | tomodachi: seems reasonable, thanks a lot |
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15:30.06 | tomodachi | [exa]: youre welcome i might set it up on askubuntu once i polish it i ripped out of our company wiki where made the notest last time i had to do this |
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15:30.21 | tomodachi | some hours of try and fail behind that success story i can tell you :) |
15:30.24 | dimitry7 | [exa], bruteforcing? wow, but this machine is inside my LAN |
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15:30.43 | dimitry7 | [exa], it has ubuntu 11.04 |
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15:31.40 | [exa] | dimitry7: you might want to try to see where it comes from. Also, it's possible that it's a software error of some kind. |
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15:32.51 | [exa] | tomodachi: on the second thought, I've used cloning just for the purpose I had gentoo that took some time to install right. I guess I can clone such debian machines by full install + several copypasted commands that setup the environment |
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15:32.58 | dimitry7 | [exa], ok ok, I got it now... thank you man!! |
15:33.09 | [exa] | tomodachi: but the howto is super useful, thanks a lot :] |
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15:34.20 | Tekkkz | hello |
15:34.35 | Tekkkz | my sound doesnt work a blank new installation |
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15:34.57 | Tekkkz | i tested something around with alsa mixer, but i didnt get it out/dont work |
15:34.57 | sabbia | ciao |
15:35.02 | sabbia | ! list |
15:35.03 | dpkg | sabbia: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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15:35.12 | Tekkkz | can somebody teach me the steps i need to do/help me? |
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15:40.41 | jaggzt | can someone send me their output of ls -l /dev/ ? |
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15:41.01 | jaggzt | I accidentally did chown -R / |
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15:41.22 | jaggzt | I'm trying to fix this without doing a full reinstall |
15:41.31 | abrotman | jaggzt: reboot, /dev/ will be recreated at boot time |
15:41.33 | abrotman | or should be anyway |
15:41.34 | tuxx- | /dev is populated by the kernel jaggzt, so that should be fixed with a reboot |
15:42.02 | tuxx- | i know, it sounds so un-linux-like... a reboot. |
15:42.05 | abrotman | Unless you've done a lot of work to make it not work that way |
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15:43.02 | jaggzt | heh |
15:43.04 | wildhostile | abrotman Hi ... |
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15:43.58 | jaggzt | okay.. so I used a script that re-downloaded all my packages, and then got the ownership from dpkg-deb -c output and set all the files |
15:44.04 | wildhostile | is it you who helpep me yesterday with my laptop problem? |
15:44.06 | jaggzt | chowned everything it could back |
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15:44.39 | jaggzt | so now I just have all the files it didn't get. it only lists 434 files |
15:44.47 | jaggzt | (that includes the parent folders) |
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15:45.12 | wildhostile | abrotman I found a solution for the suspend problem on lid closure |
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15:45.21 | sabbia | ciao |
15:45.23 | abrotman | don't close the lid? |
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15:45.44 | wildhostile | :-) |
15:46.17 | wildhostile | No. I downgraded the linux kernel to the previous version |
15:46.39 | abrotman | was it self-compiled? |
15:47.26 | wildhostile | I don't know ... I think I had bad repositories in my sources.list |
15:48.02 | wildhostile | voila ... it works now. |
15:48.21 | abrotman | okay then |
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15:48.33 | abrotman | oh, right, you're the fellow mixing in Mint .. poor decision |
15:48.33 | wildhostile | thanks |
15:48.54 | wildhostile | yes ... it's me :) |
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15:49.27 | wildhostile | ok thanks |
15:49.59 | wildhostile | Do you know L0ad1ng? |
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15:50.20 | dimitry7 | [exa], man, the first time it tries to authenticate, those logs appears |
15:50.24 | wildhostile | he was there yesterday and had the same problem |
15:52.14 | wildhostile | anyway I will see him another time |
15:52.34 | wildhostile | thanks and bye |
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15:59.05 | bootstrappm | Hello all. Installing Debian via usb (prepared w Jessie ISO using UNetBoot program). Gets stuck at installing base system, Configuring APT sources... Anybody seen this before? FYI no Internet connection as installer doesn't ask me to setup wifi |
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16:00.40 | petn-randall | !tell bootstrappm -about unetbootin |
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16:02.00 | bootstrappm | Thanks petn-randall! Any recommended way to prepare Debian on USB ? |
16:02.46 | bootstrappm | I used USB because no stores were open last night when I was finally ready to install Debian. I could go get a CD now though |
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16:04.56 | bootstrappm | Nevermind petn-randall, asking dpkg |
16:05.09 | petn-randall | bootstrappm: If you already have a Linux system, simply use 'cp debian.iso /dev/sdx', with sdx being the block device of the USB disk (don't use sdx1, that's the first partition). If you have Windows/Mac OS, I believe the release notes have instructions on how to do it there. |
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16:05.30 | bootstrappm | Thanks! |
16:05.54 | HTH^ | bootstrappm, unetbootin is my preferred way on windows |
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16:06.16 | petn-randall | HTH^: unetbootin is the prefered way to create broken installation images. |
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16:06.25 | petn-randall | HTH^: Read the backlog. |
16:06.26 | HTH^ | petn-randall, never broken one of mine |
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16:07.56 | srg | Grub or Lilo? |
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16:08.05 | HTH^ | weird then, but yes bootstrappm use either cp or dd on an UNMOUNTED drive if under linux, under windows i guess i cant help you lol |
16:08.23 | HTH^ | if you use cp dont forget to sync after :p |
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16:13.50 | zw | Hi. I need a VPN client for a L2TP ipsec tunnel in debian, what is the best package to do this ? Openswan/x12tpd ? |
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16:15.46 | sabbia | ciao |
16:15.53 | sabbia | ! list |
16:15.55 | dpkg | sabbia: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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16:30.56 | sabbia | ciao |
16:31.05 | sabbia | ! list |
16:31.05 | dpkg | sabbia: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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16:32.06 | jhutchins | sabbia: Ciao. Do you speak English? |
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16:35.04 | abrotman | jhutchins: seriously? leave it be, it's clearly another person looking for warez |
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16:38.41 | twocarlo | #graphics |
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16:43.59 | yourbeau | m back |
16:44.16 | yourbeau | eagerly waiting for 8 |
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16:57.00 | srg | I don't even know what version this installed |
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16:58.19 | srg | Is there a way to use https with sources.list? |
16:58.26 | srg | or any type of secure connection? |
16:58.49 | yourbeau | srg, it is useless |
16:58.57 | yourbeau | use http or ftp |
16:58.59 | yourbeau | its fine |
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17:00.42 | srg | Hm |
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17:02.27 | srg | Why do you say it's useless? It is incredibly easy to MITM at a Starbucks if I happen to update my apt repo then. Provide a mirror of Debian.org packages with a replacement for the `ping` package that has a botnet or something. |
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17:02.45 | srg | I don't mean to argue, but there *IS* a use. |
17:03.24 | srg | Obviously one guy complaining on IRC wont change anything. So it's alright if we drop it. |
17:03.57 | jelly | srg: MITM won't let you download potentically malign packages |
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17:05.06 | jelly | srg: apt has a list of repository pgp signatures it allows. Any repo that's unsigned, or signed with a key not in the apt key store, brings up a fat warning at installation time |
17:05.42 | srg | Oh, I wasn't aware that it was signed. It's been a while since I've used debian. I apologize yourbeau/jelly |
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17:06.49 | jelly | yourbeau: instead of "eagerly waiting," sign up for the debian-announce mailing list. That way you'll be the first to know when jessie is out |
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17:07.12 | yourbeau | srg, np probem; now write an apology letter ; sign it scan it publish it and never do it again |
17:07.16 | yourbeau | :] |
17:07.19 | jelly | yourbeau: https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/ |
17:07.31 | tomodachi | jelly: only if your email adress starts with aaaaa |
17:07.32 | yourbeau | jelly, ah I know but I would be actually checking the site literally everyday |
17:07.35 | yourbeau | I am using Trisquel |
17:07.36 | yourbeau | as of now |
17:07.53 | jelly | yourbeau: and keep the smartassery to a minimum, please |
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17:09.25 | yourbeau | jelly, :p its my style ; I told ya ; but fine I would not do it here then |
17:10.25 | yourbeau | bye for now |
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17:10.54 | jelly | yourbeau: what site? It's email. Read it when you want, set up push notifications on a smartphone or tablet if you want. No need to check anything. |
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17:34.40 | anybroad | Pinning packages? Isn't that really bad?: http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/tutorial/install-mongodb-on-debian/#pin-a-specific-version-of-mongodb |
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17:34.52 | anybroad | got doubts now about this new shiny thing stuff |
17:35.14 | nkuttler | !pinning |
17:35.14 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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17:40.05 | pingfloyd | !backports |
17:40.05 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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17:40.48 | auzerus | irc botnet alert (08/jan/2015): http://pastebin.com/SPMkyZ4w check your systems. thank you |
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17:41.26 | roku_ | Anyone having trouble connecting to security.debian? |
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17:48.48 | innerand | Hi, who can tell what I did wrong with my openvpn-tap-bridge confiurateion? http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?409536 |
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17:49.47 | innerand | I can connect to the server, I get an IP and everything looks good but I cant reach anything with the vpn |
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17:50.57 | Brigo | innerand, may be the routing table or the firewall |
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17:52.47 | jhutchins | roku_: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
17:54.07 | innerand | The firewall should accept everything, route: http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?409537 |
17:54.09 | tremon | innerand: why do you set an ip address on a bridge member? |
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17:54.45 | roku_ | For some reason I can't get to it via apt. |
17:55.06 | innerand | tremon: what to you mean with bridge member? e.g. tap0? |
17:55.44 | tremon | yes. I don't know much about configuring vpn, but setting two default gateways on two different interfaces, or setting a default gateway that is the host itself is unlikely to work |
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17:57.28 | innerand | okay, I'm quite a noob at network configuration. I thought every interface needs a gateway "pointing" to the router. |
17:57.30 | Stevko | Hello. I read at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html that postinst can be called as âpostinst configure most-recently-configured-versionâ. What is most-recently-configured-version if it is first time installed package? |
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17:59.25 | tremon | most systems only have 1 default gateway i.e. wildcard route. You only configure two wildcard routes if you (and your peer) want to load-balance traffic over multiple links |
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18:00.43 | Walex | tremon: it can be done for a few other legitimate reasons, like different metrics, or temporary connections. |
18:00.59 | innerand | Ok, so I dont have to set, gateway, network, etc vor tap0? |
18:01.09 | innerand | so basyicly just the ip? |
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18:01.10 | DeaDSouL | hi, how to get the manually installed package in this week |
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18:01.15 | tremon | not even an ip |
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18:01.50 | innerand | tap0 is used for the host, not for the vpn |
18:01.59 | innerand | I think I need the ip. |
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18:02.38 | tremon | innerand: when you use a bridge, you're effectively tying multiple network interfaces together. That bundle of interfaces gets an ip (or multiple), not the individual strands |
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18:03.00 | tremon | innerand: similarly, you should not have an ip configured for eth0 |
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18:04.02 | innerand | I thouhgt the bridge acts like a switch? |
18:04.05 | innerand | :q |
18:04.14 | innerand | (wrong window) |
18:04.31 | phy1729 | bridges are just 2 port switches |
18:05.04 | tremon | innerand: how much ip addresses does your average switch have? |
18:05.35 | innerand | I think one - and then of corse at least one for every client connected |
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18:07.41 | innerand | hm... if it doesnt work with the bridge, is there something like a virtual switch? |
18:07.42 | tremon | A managed switch has one ip, but only so that you can configure it. A switch in normal operation does not use any ip |
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18:08.26 | tremon | as soon as your "switch" has multiple ip's/subnets and redirects traffic from one subnet to another, it's a router |
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18:09.02 | innerand | routing is what I tried to avoid |
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18:10.40 | felix__ | how can I setup openvpn cient from cli? |
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18:11.13 | innerand | so i've one physikal port eth0 and I'd like to have each virtual port for every openvpn client and one for the host it self. How to do that then? |
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18:11.49 | tremon | innerand: I'm not sure what kind of configuration openvpn requires. If it just redirects traffic between its clients and the tap device, it could work |
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18:12.24 | tremon | a network bridge is more or less identical to a virtual switch btw |
18:12.55 | tremon | the difference is in vlan routing/tagging I think |
18:13.33 | bootstrappm | Hey all. I just finished installing Debian from cd, netinst. On restart it boots into a terminal, did I do it wrong? |
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18:14.13 | tremon | bootstrappm: did you select any packages/desktop evironments to install? |
18:14.24 | bootstrappm | Had no Internet connection during install due to no ethernet. Need to use wifi and it didn't ask me to set it up |
18:14.55 | tremon | ah, then no you didn't do it wrong. The netinstall doesn't include a graphical environment other than the installer |
18:14.57 | bootstrappm | tremon I just used the default install on the netinst CD |
18:15.12 | bootstrappm | Oh ok |
18:15.29 | DeaDSouL | hi, how to view the manually installed packages in the last week |
18:16.13 | DeaDSouL | or how to view all the manually installed packages ? |
18:16.30 | bootstrappm | Is there any shortcut to automatically install the graphical system or do I have to apt-get my way into making this look pretty |
18:16.33 | bootstrappm | ? |
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18:17.19 | tremon | you can run tasksel and select a desktop environment, but you probably need to configure a network connection and your apt sources before you can install anything |
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18:18.07 | innerand | these eth0.1 thingys are just on the ip level, rigeht? |
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18:19.38 | tremon | they're on the ethernet level, osi layer 1 |
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18:19.40 | jelly | innerand: that looks like 802.1q VLAN, which is done at layer 2, below IP |
18:20.12 | tremon | yeah probably layer 2 on the OS side :) |
18:20.23 | tremon | bootstrappm: I'm not sure what the exact package selection on the netinstall disc is, but you usually need some kind of firmware and wpa_supplicant to configure a wireless connection |
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18:21.02 | innerand | ok, so I should take these to "clone" my ethernet port and then bridge one of those to the vpn tap? |
18:21.12 | bootstrappm | Thanks tremon... Its telling me ifconfig doesn't exist :( |
18:21.18 | tremon | use ip |
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18:21.56 | clearleapmatt | @bootstrappm it's not in your path |
18:21.58 | clearleapmatt | try /sbin/ifconfig |
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18:22.32 | shingouz | bootstrappm: before you can configure the network, you need to be root. ifconfig and other tools will be in your path when you are root |
18:22.45 | bootstrappm | Thanks |
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18:23.29 | jelly | bootstrappm: you probably would have fared better with "unofficial" images with firmware (that enable wifi drivers to work in the installer) |
18:23.35 | jelly | !firmware images |
18:23.36 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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18:24.44 | bootstrappm | True jelly. I'm assuming those are available for Jessie too? |
18:25.15 | jelly | I don't know, presumably they will be once jessie is released |
18:25.33 | bootstrappm | Cool |
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18:27.33 | DeaDSouL | any help guys ? |
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18:28.37 | shingouz | !ask |
18:28.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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18:42.07 | DeaDSouL | shingouz: how to view the manually installed packages in the last week or all the manually installed packages ? |
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18:42.37 | shingouz | DeaDSouL: ask the channel |
18:42.38 | beluga | VALS Semester of Code 2nd round is open for new organizations until Jan 13th. If Debian wants to join, you can follow these instructions, only using http://vps2.semesterofcode.com/ where appropriate: http://osswatch.jiscinvolve.org/wp/2014/08/06/vals-semester-of-code-open-for-project-idea-submissions/ |
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18:47.29 | DeaDSouL | how to view all the manually installed packages ? |
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18:49.12 | Nik05 | DeaDSouL aptitude search '~i !~M' |
18:49.15 | tremon | DeaDSouL: for last week, you need to parse /var/log/dpkg.log* (or same in /var/log/apt) |
18:52.14 | DeaDSouL | Niamkik: it shows all the installed packages.. |
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18:52.24 | DeaDSouL | Nik05: * |
18:52.55 | Nik05 | yes DeaDSouL ? |
18:53.03 | DeaDSouL | Nik05: what i want is to view the packages that I have manually installed (by me, using apt-get or aptitude) |
18:53.18 | Nik05 | DeaDSouL yes thats what i gave you |
18:53.48 | Nik05 | those are the packages that have been manually installed |
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18:54.12 | Nik05 | also contains packages already installed during installation, let me give you a better one |
18:54.53 | DeaDSouL | Nik05: but it shows (acpi, acpid, adduser.... etc) ... and I didn't install them manually... they came with the distro |
18:55.18 | Nik05 | yes well the installed gives them the manually installed flag, but read my other message |
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18:55.39 | Nik05 | DeaDSouL aptitude search '~i !~M !~E !~prequired !~pimportant !~pstandard' |
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18:57.24 | critr | DeaDSouL: or you can just run Synaptic and look at the Status > Installed (manual) tab. |
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18:57.59 | DeaDSouL | Nik05: this is better... but it also shows some other packages I haven't manually installed... may be they are dependencies ? |
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18:58.11 | guardian | hello, just found out about http://openssl.org/news/secadv_20150108.txt is this already patched in debian? |
18:58.15 | DeaDSouL | Nik05: it's a server with no gui on it |
18:58.25 | Nik05 | DeaDSouL yeah aptitude/apt-get is a little bugged sometimes |
18:58.32 | DeaDSouL | critr: ^^ |
18:59.05 | DeaDSouL | Nik05: oh, i c.... thanks man :) |
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18:59.27 | Nik05 | DeaDSouL what is showing up that is not manually installed? |
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19:01.08 | DeaDSouL | Nik05: acpi, acpi-support-base, acpid, busybox, console-setup, busybox, discover, eject, lib*, .....etc |
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19:01.30 | welshads | having some major issues trying to install GNURADIO in debian running on a virtual machine...the make will run for around 6-7 hours and fail.... i havent yet managed to decipher any error messages or scripts.... any solutoins? |
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19:06.13 | Nik05 | DeaDSouL sorry no idea |
19:06.44 | Nik05 | DeaDSouL but well you also get the ones you installed, just filter the few false positives |
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19:07.23 | DeaDSouL | Nik05: it's ok bro... i'm searching online now... :) |
19:07.29 | Nik05 | for what? |
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19:11.20 | Nik05 | DeaDSouL you will not find somethign else, unless looking in the logs |
19:11.52 | DeaDSouL | Nik05: wish me luck :p |
19:12.17 | Nik05 | why cant you use what i gave you? |
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19:23.23 | simp | Hi, it's the second time i've ran into this issue so looking for a few pointers. my /root partition has filled up and it looks like something keeps writing to it. I used bleachbit to free up ~1gb and then emptied out /var/log/user.log that was also another GB so everything should be fine... but no, the partition is just filled up again. any pointers? |
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19:23.48 | simp | might have something to do with virtualbox, i used it today and I remember using it before last time |
19:24.00 | simp | and last time i actually resorted to just reinstalling |
19:24.32 | simp | my root partition is 14GB |
19:24.43 | simp | and i usually have about 4-5gb free |
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19:26.04 | simp | would like to clean it up but i don't really have an idea where to start from |
19:26.22 | simp | except apt-get autoclean & clean(done) and bleachbit |
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19:27.15 | Brigo | simp, what is the output of du -h /var/log ? |
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19:28.12 | simp | Brigo, http://paste.debian.net/139789/ |
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19:28.57 | Brigo | 3.0G/var/log ? i think that could be the problem |
19:29.19 | Brigo | check the log files for big ones |
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19:32.07 | simp | Brigo, i've deleted /var/log/messages (about 1gb) and the user.log files(about another gig) and df -k still shows root as being full |
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19:32.11 | Nik05 | simp use du to check where your data is going |
19:33.23 | Nik05 | simp before deleting them, it was better to check the information in it. Maybe some program is spamming your logs |
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19:33.44 | Brigo | simp, and may be they are growing again. |
19:34.10 | simp | messages and var.log have stayed at 0 bytes |
19:34.15 | simp | user.log* |
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19:34.21 | Nik05 | simp check with du again |
19:34.39 | Nik05 | simp is it / thats the problem or only /var ? |
19:34.50 | simp | it's / |
19:35.00 | simp | /var/log has stayed at 1,5gb |
19:35.24 | simp | i've still got syslog to clean up |
19:36.37 | Nik05 | simp you got a seperate /home ? try du -sh /home |
19:36.59 | simp | top shows that systemd-journal is taking up 99% of cpu... |
19:37.06 | simp | home is on a separate partition |
19:37.14 | simp | plenty of room there |
19:37.15 | Nik05 | oke |
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19:37.27 | Nik05 | oke so its some program spamming your logs |
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19:38.35 | simp | ok, i killed evolution-calen(was taking 25% of cpu) could have been that |
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19:38.51 | Nik05 | simp can you do journalctl -n 10 |
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19:39.13 | simp | "no journal files were found" |
19:39.26 | Nik05 | oh right you deleted them... |
19:39.32 | Nik05 | did you delete /var/log/journal ? |
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19:39.50 | simp | nope |
19:39.58 | simp | deleted messages and user.log |
19:40.04 | simp | and then recreated them as empty files |
19:40.14 | simp | in /var/log |
19:40.24 | Nik05 | well do you got empty space now? |
19:41.07 | simp | nope, it's all filled up again |
19:41.15 | Nik05 | well check with du where it is going |
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19:42.47 | kale | hi, i have created an encrypted root, and now i want my system to boot by reading a key from an inserted usb-storage device. so how would i go about that? |
19:42.52 | Brigo | simp, if you have iotop installed you can use it for some clues. |
19:42.57 | simp | would this work? du -a / | sort -n -r | head -n 10 |
19:43.06 | simp | just found it somewhere, not familiar with du |
19:43.20 | simp | Brigo, nope, no iotop i'm afraid |
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19:44.30 | Brigo | simp, i guess top could help too. Run it and check for high cpu use process. |
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19:45.26 | jhutchins | simp: du -sh /var/*, pick the biggest one, du -sh foo/* until you find what's using up the space. |
19:45.40 | jhutchins | simp: That ant/or watch file sizes with ls -l |
19:46.00 | simp | there were two, evolution-calen and systemd-journal, killed evolution and systemd calmed down as well |
19:46.01 | jhutchins | simp: You might try booting into single user mode, cleaning up, then seeing if you can catch what's doing it. |
19:46.25 | jhutchins | simp: If you can create a larger partition somewhere that you can mount as /var/log, you might have enough time to track it down before it filled the logs. |
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19:46.47 | jhutchins | simp: It's also a good idea to use logrotate to clean up the logs. Deleting them manually should be a last ditch method. |
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19:47.11 | simp | ok, thanks, i'll look into them |
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19:49.25 | bootstrappm | Thanks for recommending the unofficial images w firmware... Ended up being exactly what I needed |
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19:53.03 | abrotman | Ahem .. the netinst I tried to recommend yesterday :) |
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20:00.03 | critr | those unofficial live+non-free isos are the shizz. esp the "standard" one. then install mate or whatever. |
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20:06.47 | simp | ok, so i've gone through all the folders/files in /root with "du -h /folder" the biggest one(/usr) is 8.1gb all the other ones are all below 500mb |
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20:07.31 | simp | checked if there's any hidden folder, none |
20:08.11 | simp | but that should still leave atleast 4gb free |
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20:10.58 | bootstrappm | Thanks abrotman. I wanted it on physical media because I was afraid of the wifi issue... But it's easier than I thought :) |
20:11.18 | abrotman | It certainly is |
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20:14.43 | Darkclaw66 | hi, I am trying to install openvpn 2.3.6_1 and I am getting the following error: Cannot resolve host address: fe80::1: ai_family not supported |
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20:15.01 | simp | ok, looks like the free space wasn't updated by df, or something like that |
20:15.22 | simp | restarted and now it's better, will surely look into logrotate, thank you :) |
20:16.28 | illy | simp: any ideas how to refres df output? |
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20:16.35 | illy | without a reboot :) |
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20:17.16 | simp | if i can find the stackoverflow post i found, then i do :) |
20:17.28 | simp | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/61069/updating-disk-free-size-without-rebooting-the-host |
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20:17.36 | simp | but a reboot looked easier |
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20:20.45 | simp | also, this was the culprit probably, given that evolution was giving the cpu a nice time... https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=764495 |
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20:24.26 | srg | I installed a system using guided partitioned with an encrypted LVM. When I boot it, prior to asking for my password, it prints some errors: "Volume group "xxx" not found" |
20:24.54 | kale | srg: perfectly normal |
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20:25.00 | srg | It prints this a few times before it asks for my password. Is this beacuse of some order of the partitions or something? It's trying to mount the volumes before decrypting? |
20:25.27 | srg | Can I change the order in fstab or something to prevent it? Or just forget about it? |
20:25.27 | kale | srg: yes, it tris to mount, decrypt, mount |
20:25.31 | srg | ah |
20:25.49 | kale | srg: man crypttab gives you some insights |
20:26.12 | srg | Thanks, this ist he first time I've used encryption on debian |
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20:27.35 | kale | srg: i'm working on getting it to read the encryption key from usb ... i had my own initrd on gentoo, but now switched to debian, so now i gotta find out how the debian initrd quircks |
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20:28.22 | tremon | kale: have you read the passdev section in /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.initramfs.gz ? |
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20:29.06 | srg | kale: Ah, that was my next step. I wanted to put /boot and the grub on a USB drive |
20:29.17 | kale | tremon: thanks, i'm writing myscript right now. my idead is to dd the first 32 bytes out of everything in /proc/partitions and try that as the key |
20:29.45 | tremon | in that case, make sure the order is predictable |
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20:30.08 | kale | tremon: thats the point, i do not need the order to be predictable |
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20:31.55 | tremon | Darkclaw66: host addresses starting with fe80: are link-local, they are not routable nor necessarily unique. I'm not sure you can use them as listen_on addresses |
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20:32.59 | tremon | kale: huh? you are going to xor them or something? |
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20:35.06 | kale | tremon: incoming.kallenberg.dk/keyscript |
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20:35.25 | kale | tremon: gonna try them all |
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20:36.26 | sIRwa2 | hello, i try to ad non free firmware to the installation procces, but it doesnt want to find/add/load it. i put the raw.fw in the root of the second partition of the install usb, any tips ideas? |
20:36.59 | kale | tremon: only question is if awk is on the initrd |
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20:37.31 | CluelessPerson | Hey guys, I was told to ask in here about a "grub problem" specifically, I'm getting a black screen at bootup, nothing else. |
20:37.49 | tremon | kale: lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` |grep awk |
20:38.59 | srg | dpkg: e19 |
20:39.00 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, srg |
20:39.04 | srg | dpkg: e18 |
20:39.05 | dpkg | srg: are you using Windows? |
20:39.12 | srg | takes it to PM |
20:39.30 | CluelessPerson | and I'm panicking right now because I have several production employees waiting on me and none of this is working |
20:39.54 | tremon | kale: otherwise it's while read a b c DEVICE [..] < /proc/partitions |
20:40.07 | Spec | fixbr? |
20:40.11 | Spec | fixmbr? |
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20:40.13 | srg | CluelessPerson: Hm, can you boot a livecd? |
20:40.22 | Spec | dpkg: fixmbr |
20:40.23 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI! |
20:40.25 | srg | you can probably reinstall grub through al ivecd |
20:40.26 | kale | tremon: ahh bash style |
20:40.45 | tremon | it's still sh, nothing bash-specific there |
20:40.46 | CluelessPerson | srg: the only thing I have is the server install usb I have. |
20:41.18 | srg | Well is it a live USB? |
20:41.23 | srg | that lets you boot into a debian system? |
20:41.28 | CluelessPerson | srg: Yes, I think |
20:41.36 | CluelessPerson | srg: I don't think it's a LIVE usb |
20:41.41 | srg | Ok, boot it, and follow the instructions above ^ |
20:41.51 | srg | it should fix grub |
20:41.53 | srg | hm |
20:42.02 | srg | the installer might work if you switch to another console, as it says above |
20:42.33 | tremon | CluelessPerson: we can't help you without some more information. Why do you think it's a grub problem? If you're getting a black screen, the first question is "is it turned on"? |
20:42.46 | srg | Anyone know what's up with e19 not being in debian? Or e18? |
20:42.59 | CluelessPerson | srg: tremon to be clear, what occurs is this. Boot -> Grub Menu ->Black Screen with backlight. |
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20:43.11 | tremon | srg: what's e19? enlightenment? |
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20:43.40 | CluelessPerson | tremon: srg I'm at an ubuntu installer menu. (14.10) |
20:43.52 | srg | tremon: yeah |
20:44.04 | srg | Ubuntu? This is #Debian |
20:44.18 | srg | So you get to the grub menu, then blank. |
20:44.29 | srg | That makes me think grub is ok, but it's not detecting/configured to see your OS |
20:44.36 | srg | Or, the kernel itself is borked somehow |
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20:45.18 | CluelessPerson | srg: I dunno, it should be a simple server installation. This always happens to me with ubuntu |
20:45.20 | syadnom_mtspace | hi all. I need an option for a unioning filesystem on wheezy. aufs looks to be depreciated.. |
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20:45.43 | CluelessPerson | srg: can you help me get this back up? |
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20:46.13 | CluelessPerson | tremon: I get a grub boot menu, I select boot ubuntu, I immediately get a black screen with a backlight. Nothing else seems to occur. |
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20:46.52 | srg | CluelessPerson: Try doing what we already suggestedtoo reinstall/reconfigure grub. |
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20:47.21 | srg | dpkg: tell CluelessPerson about fixmbr |
20:47.23 | CluelessPerson | srg: okay, using USB boot disk 14.10 installer to install grub, skipping ahead to that option in the menu,. |
20:47.35 | tremon | srg: the simple answer is that nobody has packaged it, although there is a (2-person) team maintaining e17. The efl and e17 are in debian jessie |
20:48.04 | CluelessPerson | srg: here are the options I have. Execute a shell? |
20:48.05 | srg | tremon: Hm, ok. Thanks! I've been trying to google aroudn to find it |
20:48.53 | devPunk | I'm trying to install debian on a netbook (asus eeepc) next to windows 8. I already booted up the live debian, but the debian installer doesn't find the available windows partition. You have any advice? |
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20:49.10 | tremon | syadnom_mtspace: there is unionfs-fuse |
20:49.25 | srg | CluelessPerson: Yeah. Then you haev to mount your filesystem and run `update-grub` and whatnot. Other than that, it's beyond me. I'm newish to debian, I'm coming from from FreeBSD. |
20:49.32 | tremon | devPunk: what does "doesn't find" mean here? |
20:49.35 | syadnom_mtspace | tremon, yeah, but this is on a 1Ghz ARM (BeagleBone Black) and fuse is very low perfomance on this thing. |
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20:50.38 | CluelessPerson | srg: I'm perfectly fine running some script kiddy commands to get a server up, but when this shit just doesn't work for no reason as far as I can tell, I get extremely frustrated. |
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20:50.51 | CluelessPerson | and people wonder why this doesn't catch on more, I'm in the dark . |
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20:51.22 | tremon | syadnom_mtspace: looks like overlayfs is the new thing. Might even be merged in mainline now, although I can't find a definitive reference on that |
20:51.31 | gavenkoa | Hi! |
20:51.50 | gavenkoa | telnet alioth.debian.org 443 |
20:51.51 | gavenkoa | Trying 5.153.231.21... |
20:51.51 | gavenkoa | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
20:51.54 | CluelessPerson | srg: So I ACTUALLY did get a console here in the installer with Alt+F2 |
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20:52.02 | CluelessPerson | srg but what is this? mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; |
20:52.04 | CluelessPerson | from dpkg |
20:52.16 | gavenkoa | https://alioth.debian.org/scm/?group_id=100114 isn't working |
20:52.18 | CluelessPerson | whatever? |
20:52.25 | srg | It mounts /dev/whatever using the ext2 filesystem to /target |
20:52.35 | tremon | gavenkoa: it is for me |
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20:53.04 | CluelessPerson | srg: I don't know how the filesystem is setup exactly. |
20:53.21 | CluelessPerson | this is not friendly to newbies. |
20:53.23 | srg | <PROTECTED> |
20:53.31 | CluelessPerson | I mean you guys are, this isn't lol |
20:53.57 | CluelessPerson | srg: what would target be? |
20:54.01 | srg | Can you reinstall? Dealing with broken systems can be frustrating |
20:54.02 | syadnom_mtspace | tremon, doesn't appear to be in wheezy, unless I'm looking wrong |
20:54.05 | srg | if it's the root filesystem, just / |
20:54.08 | srg | if it's usr, then /usr |
20:54.11 | srg | var, then /var |
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20:54.25 | CluelessPerson | srg: I don't understand what I'm doing. |
20:54.37 | tremon | actually, /target is the actual path where the installer mounts the installed system. It's not a variable |
20:54.44 | CluelessPerson | I'm just going to have to completely reinstall the server. >> it's all completely borked. |
20:54.50 | srg | You're manually mounting a partition from your hard drive |
20:55.03 | CluelessPerson | srg: I have no information to work with |
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20:55.13 | CluelessPerson | what is /whatever ? a dnw aht is /target? |
20:55.16 | devPunk | ah sorry, in more detail: I'm at the point where I have to create the partition for linux, and I chose to install all files on one partition. But in the partitions disk window the suggestion how the installer will partition the hd doesn't contain the already available windows partition. Does that make sense? |
20:55.19 | srg | I'm sure there's a command line partitioner you can view your disk partitions with |
20:55.56 | srg | devPunk: You might have to manually partition it, the guided partition mode is likely to destory the windows partition |
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20:56.16 | srg | came here for help and feels like he got stuck |
20:56.19 | srg | :-P |
20:56.21 | tremon | syadnom_mtspace: true, I don't think wheezy itself has alternatives apart from the fuse one. You may need to get it from outside debian |
20:57.03 | tremon | devPunk: no, that doesn't make sense. Which installer are you using? wheezy or older? |
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20:58.27 | devPunk | I just downloaded the brand new debian live 7.7.0 amd64 |
20:58.28 | smw | Hi all, in the package "google-cloud-sdk-0.9.37-20141125060859+dsf1", want does +dsf1 mean? |
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20:59.16 | devPunk | wellâ¦brand newâ¦it's from the last year right ;) |
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20:59.36 | tremon | devPunk: that should see the windows partition regardless of how the disk is set up. I wouldn't continue if you wish to keep your windows install |
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21:00.08 | tremon | devPunk: are you sure it's seeing the internal disk, not the usb disk you're (maybe) installing from? |
21:00.16 | GJdan | Just set up a new gpt uefi install. "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated..." Is taking forever.. |
21:00.19 | devPunk | yeah I would wish to ;) so - no debian on my shiny netbook? |
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21:00.51 | GJdan | A few minutes so far, this can't be normal :( |
21:00.54 | tremon | smw: +$version is the debian patchlevel |
21:00.57 | devPunk | Tremon: yeah I'm sure, the usb drive is listed below |
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21:01.27 | smw | tremon, does that reset to 1 each time an upstream update happens? |
21:01.44 | smw | tremon, does it disappear until a patch only update occurs? |
21:02.08 | tremon | smw: no, in general it doesn't disappear. But that's up to the individual maintainer |
21:02.17 | smw | ok |
21:03.19 | smw | tremon, thanks for the help. I am trying to create a new deb with the latest version :-) |
21:03.22 | kale | tremon: so how do i get my keyscript onto the initrd? |
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21:03.29 | tremon | syadnom_mtspace: overlayfs has been merged in the 3.18 kernel. So it's not in wheezy and won't be in jessie either |
21:03.51 | syadnom_mtspace | yeah, that sucks. |
21:04.03 | syadnom_mtspace | aufs is already non-functional in wheezy |
21:04.15 | tremon | kale: cryptsetup should put it there automatically, assuming your crypttab line mentions the keyscript |
21:04.16 | syadnom_mtspace | unionfs-fuse looks to be my only choice w/ debian |
21:04.17 | devPunk | ah I forgot to mention something: before it comes to partition the installer also misses a non-free firmware file. Do I have to also put that on the usb stick? |
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21:04.56 | kale | tremon: but where would it search for the script while i run update-initramfs -u? |
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21:05.51 | kale | tremon: ahh, my bad, got it, lets see if this works |
21:07.07 | tremon | devPunk: you can, but you can also just download the (non-official, although debian-provided) installer with firmware |
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21:07.42 | devPunk | that sounds good - where can I get that? |
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21:08.34 | tremon | devPunk: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ , the yellow note halfway down the page |
21:08.39 | GJdan | Nvm found a solution |
21:08.56 | GJdan | Adding nomodeset to grub parameters |
21:09.00 | tremon | GJdan: how did you solve it? |
21:09.35 | devPunk | fantastic - thank you! |
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21:10.00 | tremon | that's an unsual solution, and quite destructive depending on your video card. Latest intel cards will refuse to start X without modesetting |
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21:10.25 | tremon | GJdan: although I don't have any better suggestions for you, sadly |
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21:10.31 | GJdan | I'm still looking for other solutions |
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21:11.56 | tremon | GJdan: according to http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=71818 , it may be a problem with missing firmware files. maybe check dmesg? |
21:12.10 | naptastic | What happened to Libreoffice? I'm on Debian Jessie and there are no longer any installation candidates. |
21:12.26 | GJdan | Good call |
21:12.56 | srg | naptastic: It shows up on packages.debian.org for Jessie |
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21:13.27 | naptastic | hmm |
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21:15.35 | Rebelyouth | Hi |
21:16.14 | GJdan | hmm dmesg is full of a bunch of memory errors actually |
21:16.49 | GJdan | starting with "Kernel-defined memdesc doesn't match the one from EFI!" |
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21:17.19 | Rebelyouth | I set in 000default.conf (Apache2) /var/www/html/cgi-bin/ for the script but there are ignored ...if the script is on /var/www/html/ the working fine..why? |
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21:17.51 | tremon | GJdan: can you paste the output to paste.debian.net? |
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21:18.36 | GJdan | hm I'll try, I'm running headless atm |
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21:18.55 | tremon | !tell GJdan about nopaste |
21:18.57 | kale | tremon: could you give me a hint on how to get my keyscript running: crypttab "sdb1_crypt /dev/sdb1 none keyscript=/root/keyscript", script incoming.kallenberg.dk/keyscript |
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21:19.21 | kale | tremon: i'm having trouble interpreting how i should use the keyscript= option |
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21:20.32 | tremon | kale: have you read the few lines about it in man crypttab? |
21:20.41 | kale | tremon: yes |
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21:21.19 | kale | is it "sdb1_crypt /dev/sdb1 keyscript keyscript=/root" ? |
21:21.24 | tremon | kale: if it's a luks partition, you may still need the luks option as well. So luks,keyscript= |
21:21.47 | GJdan | hey lol thanks, those tools are always handy, I'm already in the middle of grabbing one |
21:22.02 | tremon | kale: only thing different to my setup is that my keyscript is in /lib/cryptsetup/scripts, so my keyscript= argument doesn't contain an absolute path. But I don't think that should matter |
21:22.05 | kale | tremon: but my script opens the partition |
21:22.05 | Rebelyouth | hhehe I figure out |
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21:23.06 | kale | tremon: from the manpage it seems lige the script should output the key, i have no way of doing that before i actually now its the key, and at that point the partition is unlocked anyways |
21:23.11 | tremon | kale: ah, good call. Hadn't realized that. I'm not sure how to work that in |
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21:23.23 | smw | I have a debian package with a "get-orig-source" target, how can I run it? |
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21:23.47 | GJdan | tremon: http://ix.io/fFf |
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21:24.05 | tremon | kale: presumably, the partition itself is locked while cryptsetup is trying to unlock it. So trying to unlock it from inside the keyscript may not work |
21:24.35 | Rebelyouth | mmm but they still working on root |
21:24.51 | tremon | kale: if you really need to do it that way, writing your own rc script and including it in the initramfs yourself may be your only option |
21:24.56 | kale | tremon: ok, so i'll unlock it, then its found, then i'll lock it, and echo the key i found? |
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21:25.27 | kale | tremon: seems crazy, but hey if it works ... :-) |
21:25.41 | tremon | kale: try it and see. I don't think it will work, but haven't tried it |
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21:26.01 | kale | tremon: how are you going about it? |
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21:26.46 | tremon | kale: my keyscript just echoes the unlock phrase to stdout |
21:27.01 | Rebelyouth | How to restrict script in only one directory? (like in cgi-bin) |
21:27.06 | kale | tremon: where do you get the phrase from? |
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21:28.35 | tremon | GJdan: I don't see any obvious errors, apart from acpi errors. But they're almost to be expected, no bios vendor cares about providing correct acpi tables |
21:28.50 | tremon | kale: from the network, my script uses scp |
21:29.00 | GJdan | do note that I couldn't even boot until I added the nomodeset thing |
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21:29.51 | tremon | GJdan: can you try it with the kernel from -backports? |
21:30.11 | kale | tremon: yeah, i thought of that too, would be better than what i'm doing. guess if the system gets stolen, the usb is stolen as well. |
21:30.48 | GJdan | hm sure |
21:30.53 | tremon | kale: really depends. My "keyserver" does get its key from usb (using the standard passdev script), but I remove the usb key once it's booted |
21:31.20 | tremon | that does mean I cannot reboot that machine remotely though |
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21:32.32 | kale | tremon: here remotely means going behind the couch. i do not want to plug/unplug a usb to boot the system, also after a power outage i want the system to come back online |
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21:35.35 | tremon | I guess you could do something similar to what passdev is doing though, wait for a disk with a known uuid to come online (e.g. the uuid of the usb stick's first partition) and then read a raw sector from that disk |
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21:37.56 | kale | tremon: for now, i'm unable to get my script running ... guess that crypttab iludes me |
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21:39.06 | DeaDSouL | ArtVandalae: this my solution to get installed packages by aptitude : while read f; do f="${f##* }"; echo "${f%%:*}"; done < <(cat /var/log/aptitude | grep -i '\[install\]') |
21:39.19 | DeaDSouL | ArtVandalae: and this for apt-get : cat /var/log/apt/history.log | grep 'apt-get *install' |
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21:40.25 | DeaDSouL | ArtVandalae: i mean to get manually installed packages :) |
21:41.02 | Kobra | hmm, is there a chance debian can provide a list of publication slugs (like /etc/mime.types)? |
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21:41.35 | Kobra | slugs are the erm, "This: abc does blah" -> "this-abc-does-blah" |
21:41.46 | Kobra | or does any kind of dictionary for this already exist? |
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21:44.05 | tremon | Kobra: that explanation helps very little. What kind of publications? |
21:44.14 | srg | I'm following the Wifi/HowToUse wiki article. I ran `wpa_passphrase` to get the PSK. however my password has $ in it. Do I need to excape this in the shell? |
21:45.04 | furrywolf_ | I'm setting up a new (to me... aka well-used) laptop, with my first SSD. I've heard btrfs is better for SSDs, as well as being all around better in general. is it ready for use? will I regret storing all my data with it? should I stick with ext4? |
21:45.24 | Kobra | it's just kind of like a dictionary, where you have readable chars just [A-z0-9\-], then there is a dictionary of aliases, so "&" may be translated into " and " |
21:45.32 | tremon | srg: you do, but wpa_passphrase reads the password from stdin, not from the shell. Unless you used echo ".." | wpa_passphrase |
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21:45.56 | srg | oh, I gave it an argument on the command line `wpa_passphrase ssid pass` |
21:46.17 | tremon | yes, then you'd best surround the password with single quotes |
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21:46.30 | Kobra | tremon: so for example: "abc@def.com would be translated into "abc-at-def-com", with the translations "@" -> " at ", and "." -> "-" |
21:46.50 | srg | thanks tremon |
21:46.54 | greycat | Kobra: that sounds like an algorithm, not a thing that would be installed in a file |
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21:47.05 | tremon | Kobra: so, are you looking for a list of such translations to be applied to any kind of text? |
21:47.22 | Kobra | but those translations should turn say, an accented e into e, it's a dictionary of translations |
21:47.30 | Kobra | or aliases |
21:47.33 | DeaDSouL | ArtVandalae: ops,.. this is for apt-get : while read f; do echo "${f##*install }"; done < <(cat /var/log/apt/history.log | grep -i 'apt-get *install') |
21:47.40 | Kobra | just like /etc/mime.types is a dictionary of mimetypes |
21:47.49 | tremon | Kobra: or do you need a file that contains source and result of such a translation for a defined number of sources? |
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21:48.15 | GJdan | tremon: it's been awhile since I installed a new kernel in debian.. do I need both linux-image... and linux-headers? |
21:48.33 | Kobra | tremon: i was just wondering if anything already existed, such as "@\t at \n&\t and \n" |
21:48.35 | greycat | GJdan: you only need the -headers if you plan to build a kernel module from source |
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21:48.50 | GJdan | ah okay thanks |
21:48.59 | tremon | GJdan: you only need the linux-headers if some package (say, out-of-tree or binary kernel modules) require it |
21:49.02 | GJdan | hm missing a bunch of realtek nic firmware |
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21:49.30 | tremon | most of realtek is in firmware-linux-nonfree (enable non-free repo) |
21:49.43 | tremon | (or is it in firmware-linux-free?) |
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21:51.34 | tremon | oh, it's firmware-realtek |
21:52.32 | CluelessPerson | So I reinstalled ubuntu-server, now I'm getting "error: unknown filesystem. Entering rescue mode... grub rescue> _" |
21:52.41 | CluelessPerson | I'm panicking. |
21:53.04 | torpet | what is the recommended way to install jessie? beta2 image or the daily image? |
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21:53.21 | mtn | torpet: recommended is to install stable and dist-upgrade |
21:53.48 | torpet | ok and if i dont want to do that? |
21:54.03 | torpet | what is the next-best method? |
21:54.11 | tremon | torpet: then it matters little which one you pick. Either one can be broken or work for you |
21:54.17 | GJdan | still stalls on populating /dev with the backports kernel |
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21:54.18 | greycat | Then you're testing the jessie installer, so your bug reports will be welcomed. |
21:54.18 | mtn | torpet: whatever you want, I suppose, though asked for recommended ;) |
21:54.19 | torpet | so if they work there is nothing wrong with them? |
21:54.37 | GJdan | even with the realtek firmware |
21:54.37 | torpet | or does the stable-installer do something differently? |
21:54.42 | tremon | torpet: that's kind of a truism, but yes indeed |
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21:55.52 | torpet | thanks, cant wait to get my hands on debian again |
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21:55.58 | tremon | GJdan: can you boot without "quiet" and give some more context from where it's failing? |
21:56.06 | GJdan | sure |
21:56.15 | mtn | torpet: might find this good reading: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
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21:57.06 | GJdan | tremon: "fb: switching to neouveaufv from simple" |
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21:57.09 | GJdan | it sits there |
21:57.12 | abrotman | CluelessPerson: You're in the wrong channel, use #ubuntu |
21:57.23 | GJdan | nouveaufb* |
21:57.24 | tremon | hmm... is this a laptop? |
21:57.27 | GJdan | no |
21:57.29 | GJdan | no it is not |
21:58.03 | GJdan | it's a new build. The GPU is a gtx970... setting it up for a friend for now until they decide to get windows or just keep it |
21:58.10 | tremon | ok, so no bumblebee or dual graphics, so it's not switching over to another display |
21:58.35 | torpet | mtn: thanks |
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21:59.17 | tremon | iirc someone with the exact same problem (and processor generation, I think) was here a few days ago, but I don't recall if or how it was resolved |
21:59.24 | kale | tremon: finally got it right. when i finally open the partition i just close and cat the proposed keyfile. seems this would easily adjusted to using a network device too, thanks for the help |
21:59.28 | W3png0ng | hello all! Im new to opensource and would like to the debian project. Anyone with heads up? |
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21:59.55 | srg | W3png0ng: My head is up. Debian is a great place to start with linux! |
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22:00.11 | srg | Althuogh, it will be frustrating for you at some point. Possibly many points. But it's awesome. |
22:00.22 | GJdan | apparently blacklisting neoveau will work |
22:00.39 | GJdan | I wonder if this will still happen after switching to nvidia proprietary |
22:01.06 | tremon | ah, well that's at least something. Maybe I should have guessed that from the fact that nomodeset would work |
22:01.56 | W3png0ng | I see! So how do I manage the frustration? |
22:02.11 | tremon | W3png0ng: we have #debian-offtopic for that :) |
22:02.27 | tremon | oh I know, "nomodeset" also works for intel. So I immediately jumped to 4th-generation intel processor as the cause, instead of asking you what your graphics card was |
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22:03.04 | tremon | GJdan: if you install the nvidia binary driver, the nouveau driver will no longer be loaded iirc. So that should work fine |
22:03.05 | abrotman | W3png0ng: debian.org/intro/help |
22:03.05 | kale | W3png0ng: just dive in, but i must warn you, debian is too stable to any fun at all :-) |
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22:03.30 | tremon | there's always sid if you're feeling bored |
22:03.37 | abrotman | ... |
22:03.40 | W3png0ng | thanks |
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22:09.49 | srg | How do I read a README.gz file without ungz'ing? I thuoght vi could handle gzip but apparently not |
22:10.52 | greycat | zless README.gz |
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22:12.12 | srg | thanks! |
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22:14.16 | cliffer | why is ssh-keygen -t ssh-ed25519 generating: unknown key type ssh-ed25519 ? |
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22:15.07 | srg | cliffer: The current version doesn't support ed25519 |
22:15.24 | cliffer | :( |
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22:18.43 | GJdan | Installing nvidia proprietary drivers worked :) |
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22:21.07 | DeepSpace | Hello everyone. I'm going to be one of the annoying newcomers with an annoying question as well. I currently have the following error "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." (http://puu.sh/efQ8D/8afd5f1d1a.png). I have tried "apt-get clean" but that didn't help. Does anyone know have any idea what I can do about this? |
22:21.10 | kale | now how do i get an UUID for a partition? |
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22:23.33 | GJdan | kale: try lsblk -f |
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22:24.37 | srg | How can I bring up a wireless interface? ifup/ifdown doesn't work because I don't have "auto wlan0" (and i don't want it) |
22:24.41 | mtn | DeepSpace: which version of debian? |
22:24.48 | kale | GJdan: thanks |
22:24.56 | DeepSpace | mtn, let me check real quick. |
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22:25.03 | DeepSpace | is a Debian and Linux noob |
22:25.11 | greycat | You should still be able to do "ifup wlan0" without auto, as long as it's *defined*. |
22:25.29 | mtn | DeepSpace: in a terminal: lsb_release -a |
22:25.35 | srg | Oh wait, I realized I did wlan0_home and wlan0_work. Sorry! |
22:25.44 | DeepSpace | Wheezy 7.7 |
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22:26.39 | mtn | DeepSpace: please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net and give us the link. |
22:27.18 | terr1_ | I was very smart to run an old fucked up script, so accidently moved /bin to /B/bin, only logged in as a user (exited root GAH 2x fail).. I tried export to path and if I try to su to root it cannot find the /bin/bash any method to recover from this heh? some kind of rescue disc or any brilliant command? :) |
22:27.28 | DeepSpace | mtn: Here you go: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f894750c/ |
22:27.48 | greycat | terr1_: you might be able to boot with init=/B/bin/bash |
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22:28.17 | terr1_ | greycat: As boot parm? |
22:28.20 | greycat | terr1_: or, if you are still logged in, try /B/bin/su |
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22:28.46 | terr1_ | greycat: I tried that but roots path does not include /B/bin, so it cannot execute /bin/bash :) |
22:29.23 | greycat | terr1_: do you have sudo installed? |
22:29.49 | terr1_ | I tried that havent set it up because I always su to root 3x fail :) |
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22:30.17 | greycat | if it'll let you, you can try sudo /B/bin/bash |
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22:31.50 | mtn | DeepSpace: you have a ppa, which is frowned on in debian, and did you ever have other sources that you took out? |
22:32.13 | terr1_ | Guess /bin is protected even though it dosent exists |
22:32.24 | DeepSpace | A ppa? I don't even know what that means. And as far as I know I haven't touched that file other than today. |
22:33.02 | DeepSpace | Trying to install bitcoind which required those back-ports. Like I said, complete noob. I know the basic commands, but that's about it. |
22:33.09 | GJdan | hm |
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22:33.22 | GJdan | is there any idea long until jessie is released? |
22:33.37 | mtn | DeepSpace: look at what you sent me. you have a ppa, which you must have added, unless you are not running real debian. |
22:34.27 | mtn | DeepSpace: I missed it the first time, you have squeeze backports on a wheezy system. not going to work. |
22:34.27 | DeepSpace | mtn: This is a VPS I'm hiring so I suppose it's a non real debian? I really have no idea what a ppa is or what all this means. |
22:35.03 | mtn | DeepSpace: I know nothing about vps systems. hopefully someone else will have an idea. |
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22:36.04 | DeepSpace | mtn: Alright. Thanks anyway dude! |
22:36.48 | terr1_ | su -s /fixed/B/bin/bash w0000t :) |
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22:40.19 | karlpinc | GJdan: When bugs go to 0. See https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ Your guess is as good as anyones'. |
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22:42.03 | GJdan | lovely |
22:42.06 | GJdan | thanks |
22:42.33 | DeepSpace | Well, I will be trying to figure this out, somehow. Thanks again mtn! |
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22:46.06 | Melissa_ | Hi. Can anyone tell me how to install Debian on a Reiserfs filesystem? I do not need to build my own installation image, do I? |
22:46.18 | eth0 | anyone interested in a long term job? |
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22:46.39 | mtn | eth0: no way |
22:47.11 | Dreamix | eth0: how long ? :D |
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22:48.29 | eth0 | it's not a specific job it's long term work |
22:48.46 | Dreamix | ahaa |
22:49.08 | eth0 | must be ok with adult conent though, we have some high traffic adult sites |
22:49.10 | eth0 | content* |
22:49.11 | Dreamix | what kind of tasks? |
22:49.21 | eth0 | rather get into it in PM if you don't mind? |
22:49.33 | Dreamix | oh... that's creepy |
22:49.36 | Dreamix | :D |
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22:50.37 | eth0 | varnish, galera cluster, nginx, linux |
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22:53.04 | Dreamix | eth0: sorry then, i am a bit enterprise, not much familiar with these stuff, only linux... |
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22:53.27 | eth0 | ah ok, thanks anyway |
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22:53.43 | eth0 | let me know if you know anyone, there are 2 sys admin positions available |
22:54.27 | Dreamix | currently dealing with Unixes like, Solaris, HP-UX, RHEL and Debian @home :D |
22:54.38 | Dreamix | that's why i am here |
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22:56.00 | DeaDSouL | many aliases functions for what I want :P http://pastebin.com/PnQSL5YK |
22:56.41 | tworkin | i'm trying to install from the jessie netinst iso and i'm getting a generic error during "select and install software" |
22:57.10 | tworkin | if i skip the install seems fine, but too minimal for me to know how to use. is there a way to run apt to get those packages? |
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22:58.19 | mtn | tworkin: run tasksel in a terminal after install |
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23:02.20 | rryoumaa | how do i change the file browser that is used in deluge? or can i? |
23:02.34 | rryoumaa | it is inaccessible, opening larger than the screen |
23:03.44 | Melissa_ | Hi. Can anyone tell me how to install Debian on a Reiserfs filesystem? I do not need to build my own installation image, do I? |
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23:05.27 | Melissa_ | rryoumaa exo-preferred-applications |
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23:06.35 | DeaDSouL | i've installed debian without any desktop-gui ... and installed on it XBMC ... what else should I install to make it able to launch the XBMC... I don't need any desktops or DMs... any ideas ? |
23:07.26 | rryoumaa | Melissa_: great. that looks like an xfce tool. do i need to use xfce to amek use of it? or is deluge an xfce tool? also, what are some good file managers that don't, for example, require double click to work? |
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23:08.08 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, xorg and a display manager like lightdm or xdm. |
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23:08.19 | Melissa_ | rryoumaa sorry, I did not know it was an xfce tool. I think it will work without xfce, though. It does for me |
23:08.26 | Melissa_ | Deluge is not an xfce program |
23:08.31 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: does it really require a display manager ? |
23:08.47 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: I don't have any problem to start it from console |
23:08.51 | Melissa_ | rryoumaa thunar has the feature you are looking for |
23:08.53 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, not required then |
23:09.19 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: so i need only the xorg.. right ? |
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23:09.30 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: thanks :) |
23:09.49 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, as far as i can remember :) |
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23:10.04 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: trying it now :) |
23:10.10 | Brigo | good luck :) |
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23:11.17 | rryoumaa | Melissa_: i till try ti. thanks. i figtured it would be update-alternatives or something though instead. i have a lot ot learn about this stuff. |
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23:11.52 | Melissa_ | rryoumaa I am not the best source; just telling you what worked in my experience |
23:14.03 | rryoumaa | Melissa_: thanks. man page says not to run it directly; will have to find out if it makes sens for non-xfce. |
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23:15.14 | srg | I'm running Jessie on a Core i5 with "Intel HD Graphics 3000". I'm wondering what xserver-xorg-video-* package I should use. |
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23:18.32 | DeaDSouL | what is MTA, that it shows "starting MTA" on booting ? |
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23:19.34 | mtn | srg: debian installs all of them by default, so it should just work on booting |
23:19.34 | srg | DeaDSouL: MTA = Mail Transport Agent. it's a mail server daemon. |
23:20.21 | DeaDSouL | srg: do I really need it ? does my system need it ? |
23:20.28 | abrotman | yes |
23:20.41 | srg | mtn: Yeah, it's booting fine, but I have a minimal install. I'm doing everything by hand. I'm not sure if xserver-xorg-video-intel is for the higher-end Intel video cards or if I should use a dummy |
23:22.03 | DeaDSouL | abrotman: ok |
23:22.36 | DeaDSouL | srg: I'm doing the same thing... very minimal system.. only for xbmc and ssh |
23:22.44 | srg | DeaDSouL: I just uninstalled my MTA on my laptop, we'll see if it breaks. If you want to do anything with mail (forwarding crontab to your gmail account or whatever) then you need one. |
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23:23.36 | DeaDSouL | srg: not at all.. I won't do anything with mails... at least for the next months i guess |
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23:23.57 | mtn | srg: perhaps the wiki would help |
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23:26.45 | DeaDSouL | tmux for the best terminal multiplexer... vim for the best editing... ssh for the full remote controlling... xbmc for the best media center.... debian the simplest definition of stability :P |
23:27.10 | furrywolf | how do I abort the installer after tasksel? I didn't realize just laptop + standard utils would be an 11-hour download, but I don't see any way to cancel it, and ctrl+c/etc do nothing... I could just power off and/or switch to another console and start killing processes, but it seems there has to be some form of proper "stop this step" function... |
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23:31.00 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: I've installed the xorg... how can I start it ? |
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23:32.05 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, did you install xinit? |
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23:32.27 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: yes it is there |
23:32.47 | Brigo | then you can start x with startx command or init command |
23:33.08 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: with root ? or a normal user ? |
23:33.18 | Brigo | as normal user |
23:33.33 | episage | Hi there. How to "overwrite" a package installed via apt-get? I installed 1.2 via apt-get and compiled 1.6 with a mod. I would like to install the 1.6 somehow but dpkg complains http://pastebin.com/SsXW6aWg |
23:33.59 | episage | (without downtime) |
23:34.53 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: great it worked |
23:35.06 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, good for you :) |
23:35.19 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: thanks man :) |
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23:35.27 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, you are wellcome :) |
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23:40.59 | FreezingCold | Huh, so does Debian's grub config rely on the hard drive number? |
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23:42.19 | chaospsychex | hi |
23:42.23 | episage | @episage. that was so easy. just apt-get remove and dpkg -i .. nginx does not shutdown when removed via apt-get |
23:42.39 | chaospsychex | what is the cmd to change the terminal font? 'dpkg-reconfigure' something ? |
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23:46.02 | chaospsychex | anyone? |
23:46.16 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: i've created a user 'xbmc' by `adduser` ... and it asked for a password.. now.. how can I remove the password ? |
23:46.21 | chaospsychex | curses configuration program to change terminal font and other options ? |
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23:46.33 | Panikku | how |
23:46.58 | Panikku | how's the best way to send a file from a debian vm to a windows 8 host? |
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23:47.15 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, you have to edit its line in the /etc/passwd file |
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23:48.05 | Brigo | removing the x from the second field: games:x:5:60:games:/usr/games:/usr/sbin/nologin should be games::5:60:games:/usr/games:/usr/sbin/nologin |
23:48.31 | Brigo | s/games/xbmc/ of course :) |
23:48.46 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: ok.. which rc to modify so that once the system boots.. it should automatically login the 'xbmc' user and start the xbmc ? |
23:49.28 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, are you using wheezy? |
23:49.46 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: yes 7.7 |
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23:49.54 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
23:50.30 | Brigo | or add a script in /etc/rc.local directory |
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23:52.57 | deviant | is there any way to see what versions of packages are coming in the debian 7.8? |
23:53.25 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: ummm.. how can I make it able to logs xbmc in ? |
23:53.37 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: automatically |
23:53.40 | abrotman | deviant: wheezy-proposed |
23:53.47 | abrotman | deviant: see the announcement |
23:53.55 | STMelon | pokes f0lder |
23:54.37 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, use a display manager :D |
23:54.40 | f0lder | considers highlighting STMelon with a Back Street Boys CD |
23:54.53 | STMelon | eeeek |
23:55.03 | deviant | thanks abrotman |
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23:56.13 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: looool... the idea is to make my old laptop a media center.. and plugged into livingroom TV :P .. so once they start the laptop... it should automatically runs xbmc... without any interfering from people sitting there :P |
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23:57.45 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: even planning to remove the laptop screen if everything works fine :P... LOL... the best idea i came up with that old laptop |
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23:58.27 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, i knew that. A diplay manager launchs x and can login automaticaly if you configure it. I think it is you easy way. |
23:58.45 | dltl | don't you have a vga or hdmi plug on the back? |