| 00:00.00 | aspect | and private companies using off the shelf equipment? http://berlin.ccc.de/~tobias/25c3-locating-mobile-phones.pdf (via https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/12/nsa_hacking_of_.html ) |
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| 00:01.17 | merethan | I hope you can see that cell towers recording my positions for the government is something else than an app actively sending it over the network to someone in silicon valley. |
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| 00:01.39 | merethan | I'm unhappy with both, but not equally unhappy. |
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| 00:03.34 | aspect | it's a lot simpler to locate a cell phone on a foreign network than you seem to think. Even absent being the equipment manufacturer and knowing the ussd/simtk codes. SS7 is a scary place and you have no idea what your baseband firmware is capable of |
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| 00:07.21 | merethan | aspect, you are absolutely right. I also have been at 27C3 and 28C3. |
| 00:07.28 | merethan | So, I know. |
| 00:07.46 | merethan | But you describe someone actively going after me. |
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| 00:08.32 | merethan | That's a long shot from more or less submitting data by ignorance, simply because the phone hands it over. |
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| 00:15.38 | ROG3R | How do I update my pidgin. do I have to remove and install again? |
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| 00:15.47 | merethan | Let's just say I want my cellular device to be free of spyware. Defeating triangulation, baseband firmwares etc. is just out of reach. |
| 00:16.20 | merethan | ROG3R, aptitude update, aptitude full-upgrade |
| 00:16.38 | merethan | This should update pidgin. |
| 00:17.00 | ROG3R | merethan: you mean aptitude update, aptitude full-upgrade |
| 00:17.08 | ROG3R | merethan: you mean aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade |
| 00:17.09 | ROG3R | ? |
| 00:17.31 | merethan | On the commandline |
| 00:17.34 | ROG3R | or justone of the two would sufice ? |
| 00:17.45 | merethan | first type aptitude update |
| 00:17.52 | merethan | when it's finished |
| 00:18.00 | merethan | type aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 00:18.16 | ROG3R | merethan: ok clear now. thx |
| 00:18.49 | merethan | Debian hhowever does not always have the latest software version from the upstream developers. |
| 00:19.28 | merethan | Once a release is done, most packages only receive updates when stability or security is at stake. |
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| 00:20.40 | merethan | Pidgin however didn't introduce anything spectacular lately so not really an issue here :P |
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| 00:21.05 | merethan | (Except for the security fixes of course) |
| 00:21.55 | ROG3R | I see |
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| 00:32.11 | Shadow_7 | merethan: you can always pull the battery or place it in an aluminum case to create gaps in what they record. But what I was hinting is that there data is stored somewhere, that somewhere on a network, that network accessible by other networks, and on and on... |
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| 00:44.58 | mns | I added a new printer to my network. 192.168.70.30, netmask: 255.255.255.0, gateway: 192.168.70.5. I have a host 24.63.161.135, same netmask, same gateway. I shoul dbe able to ping from .1 to .30 once they are plugged into the router, yes ? |
| 00:47.17 | merethan | I'd say so. |
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| 00:48.12 | merethan | Depends on the router though |
| 00:48.28 | mns | hmmm |
| 00:48.35 | merethan | It has to know the route to the 192.168.90.x network. |
| 00:48.51 | merethan | 90=70 sorry |
| 00:49.00 | merethan | It's 2am here. |
| 00:49.05 | merethan | Need sleep.. |
| 00:49.09 | mns | I kep getting destination unreachable when I try to ping. Yes it knows about the network since the router is also on that network. |
| 00:49.57 | mns | good night. |
| 00:50.01 | mns | or good morning. |
| 00:50.24 | merethan | Host needs to have the gateway set in the 24.63.161.x range. |
| 00:50.49 | merethan | (You said printer and host have same gateway) |
| 00:51.27 | merethan | Router also has an interface (or address) in the 24.63.161.x I suppose. |
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| 00:51.54 | merethan | However, don't pin me on this stuff, CCNA is 4 years ago for me :P |
| 00:52.11 | merethan | Haven't really done any networking since. |
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| 00:53.53 | merethan | mns, works? |
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| 00:54.26 | merethan | Wanna go sleep, but just gotta know :P |
| 00:54.57 | mns | that's the external IP. This is on the internal LAN with the 192.168.70.x. you go have some sleep. ping me tomorrow and I'll let you know. thanks for the help :) |
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| 00:57.33 | merethan | Good night all. |
| 00:58.00 | bigterd | long story short, how can i export a nfs share? ha. daisy chain a nfs port. reason i'm doing this is because of subnetting and curious if it's possible without NAT... |
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| 00:58.56 | bigterd | i tried linking the nfs mount on the client, and nfs-kernel-server isn't happy.... |
| 01:00.05 | bigterd | /mnt/orginal > as /mnt/orginal <> /mnt/linked > /mnt/linked. if that makes sense. miiddle man has 2 NIC's, 2 different subnets., and i can't access orginal share |
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| 01:00.48 | bigterd | so i tried tricking it with a symbolic link, specifcied it in exports, and nfs server still picked up my work around attempt. |
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| 01:01.47 | nosleep77 | hi there, is debian 7 vuln to the grinch bug. just want to confirm. i know there is no wheel group by default |
| 01:01.58 | xreal | (why) can't the mini.iso from netbook work with preseeds ? |
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| 01:04.58 | aspect | bigterd: perhaps a bind mount rather than a symlink? mount --bind /mnt/original /export/linked |
| 01:06.01 | bigterd | aspect: ooo, 1 min |
| 01:06.55 | SirLagz | xreal: what doesn't work about the mini.iso for netbooks and preseeds ? |
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| 01:07.41 | bigterd | aspect: nfskernserver still complains on exports file... |
| 01:07.53 | xreal | SirLagz: too long text for irc... http://paste.debian.net/plain/137353 |
| 01:08.44 | SirLagz | xreal: "can't be loaded" doesn't tell us much. Are there any errors ? Does it do anything at all ? Does it show that it tried to load ? |
| 01:09.03 | xreal | SirLagz: The message is: "preseed file can't be loaded" :D |
| 01:09.08 | SirLagz | lol |
| 01:09.15 | xreal | SirLagz: let me take a screenshot |
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| 01:09.31 | SirLagz | xreal: fair enough haha. Not sure why it would say can't be loaded then |
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| 01:09.59 | xreal | SirLagz: I think, there's something missing in mini.iso to work with preseed-files. |
| 01:10.56 | xreal | SirLagz: ah damn, need to set the language to english, brb |
| 01:11.04 | SirLagz | lol kk |
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| 01:12.17 | bigterd | i honestly guess you can't export a NFS mount? |
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| 01:12.56 | SirLagz | bigterd: are you exporting a nfs mount via nfs ? |
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| 01:13.39 | bigterd | sorta, i guess it's confusing what i'm tring to do. |
| 01:13.44 | xreal | SirLagz: there you go: http://i4.minus.com/i9nPXaO3fFBWp.png |
| 01:14.17 | SirLagz | xreal: well that's a bit different to 'can't be loaded' :P |
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| 01:14.21 | bigterd | hostA holds nfs export. hostB has it mounted. now i hostB i want to export the share, so hostC can mount it. |
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| 01:14.29 | xreal | SirLagz: I summarized it |
| 01:14.36 | SirLagz | bigterd: why not just get hostC to mount it direct from hostA ? |
| 01:14.46 | bigterd | SirLagz: subnets... |
| 01:14.49 | bigterd | SirLagz: no nat |
| 01:15.01 | bigterd | hostB has 2 nics on different subnets. |
| 01:15.10 | bigterd | wireless and wired is my headache. |
| 01:15.14 | debian32w | hello, i need to set a mono application to run at startup for all acounts. can anyone tell me how |
| 01:15.18 | SirLagz | bigterd: tell hostB to route packets from hostA to hostC and vice versa ? |
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| 01:15.38 | bigterd | and the wife will pick-axe my face if i string out more cables. and i was curious if this was possible without a firewall/nat |
| 01:15.52 | SirLagz | bigterd: yes, it's possible, but you will need a router. |
| 01:16.01 | SirLagz | or turn host B into a bridge. |
| 01:16.03 | bigterd | i figured. i decidied to give this a shot first. |
| 01:16.13 | bigterd | can't bridge. once of the nics is in client mode. |
| 01:16.17 | bigterd | for wifi |
| 01:16.19 | bigterd | :/ |
| 01:16.21 | SirLagz | wifi NIC in client mode ? |
| 01:16.34 | SirLagz | is this 2 wifi NICs ? |
| 01:16.39 | SirLagz | or 1 Wifi 1 ethernet ? |
| 01:16.42 | bigterd | no, 1 wired, one wirelss. |
| 01:16.52 | SirLagz | and hostc is connected to hostb via wired ? |
| 01:17.03 | bigterd | wifi forced into bridged goes ugly. has to do with AP association |
| 01:17.09 | bigterd | wireless |
| 01:17.16 | SirLagz | yeah I know. I've tried to do it before lol |
| 01:17.24 | bigterd | so, i guess nat it is... |
| 01:17.33 | debian32w | bigterd, what is it you're trying to do |
| 01:17.39 | debian32w | ? |
| 01:17.40 | SirLagz | bigterd: don't need NAT. you could just route |
| 01:18.06 | bigterd | i figured, but i gave this a quick stab. thanks. |
| 01:18.13 | bigterd | never know with linux until you try it. |
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| 01:18.28 | SirLagz | bigterd: no problems |
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| 01:31.41 | pingfloyd | If you have multiple subnets, you really should have a router. Not sure how they can even communicate without one if they truly are on separate subnets. |
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| 01:34.19 | pingfloyd | Nat is really a concern for having your machines on private ips but want inbound/outbound with with external ips in your case. |
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| 01:35.46 | pingfloyd | Shouldn't need nat between internal networks under normal circumstances |
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| 01:39.09 | pingfloyd | I wouldn't be surprised if your ap has a router built in. most people buy wireless routers these days since they've been as cheap as waps for a long time. |
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| 01:51.57 | bigterd | pingfloyd: fileserver has no wireless. and wife will not allow it next to roku in living room...otherwise i wouldn't have this headache |
| 01:52.25 | bigterd | if it were my bachleor days, it'd be a spaghetti mess...:) |
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| 01:53.24 | pingfloyd | bigterd: is it a wap or wireless router? |
| 01:53.47 | pingfloyd | Usually the latter will have ethernet ports |
| 01:54.06 | bigterd | it does have lan ports. but i can't set the machine next to it. |
| 01:54.09 | pingfloyd | At least one wan and one lan |
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| 01:56.31 | pingfloyd | Trade the wife for a router? We'll eventually have fembots/replicants and women will be obsolete anyway. |
| 01:56.45 | bigterd | oh man. i should tell her that. awesome. |
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| 01:57.10 | bigterd | naw, i got it figured out. i made a simple router without moving machines/cables/spending$ |
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| 01:58.13 | pingfloyd | Feel free to, maybe she'll start thinking moving things how you need wasn't so bad after all. |
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| 01:58.49 | rryoumaa | how do you use the 2csv tool in the xml2 package? the web and other documentation do not say how to use the field arguments. |
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| 02:01.21 | pingfloyd | Think of how awesome a fembot would be: cook, clean, lift, assist, protect, all without protest. |
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| 02:07.26 | maxd | chmod +s vs chmod +t |
| 02:07.29 | maxd | what is the difference? |
| 02:07.38 | maxd | Both seem to set the sticky bit, right? |
| 02:07.50 | pingfloyd | One is,setuid the other is, sticky bit |
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| 02:08.08 | pingfloyd | Setuid isn't sticky bit |
| 02:08.25 | pingfloyd | Completely different purposes |
| 02:09.07 | pingfloyd | Setuid changes invoking user when you execute the file |
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| 02:10.20 | bigterd | any reason why i get a SIOCADDRT: No such process when i try and add a route? :/ |
| 02:10.55 | bigterd | it's got a valid ip of the same mask and works. just won't add the route? does ip forwarding need to be enabled in kernel before it'll accept a route insert? |
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| 02:17.42 | maxd | pingfloyd: sticky bit = t and setuid = s I assume |
| 02:18.02 | maxd | pingfloyd: so setuid would be used to force files being created in that directory having a specific owner or group assigned? |
| 02:18.06 | pingfloyd | Yeah or use octal notation |
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| 02:23.39 | maxd | cool |
| 02:23.40 | maxd | thank you |
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| 02:24.08 | adreno | good evening, can anyone give me a little advice to get 5.1 sound working over hdmi? |
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| 02:26.55 | seeker63 | where are the sound files located in wheezy. did a google search and all i got was how to load sound juicers |
| 02:28.36 | Shadow_7 | in terms of media... probably under /usr/share/ for the app / environment that has them |
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| 02:29.38 | squisher | seeker63, sound files for what? |
| 02:29.53 | py0 | https://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 The first notice of dnssec-keygen: is USER supposed to actually be "USER" or replaced with an actual existing user |
| 02:31.04 | squisher | py0, look at the man page |
| 02:32.23 | seeker63 | squisher:i am wanting sound beeps for xchat |
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| 02:33.37 | py0 | squisher, there is no mention of it |
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| 02:34.27 | squisher | seeker63, you could download some random sound files on the internet and use those, xchat itself doesn't come with any. Or run: find /usr/share -name "*.wav" |
| 02:34.39 | squisher | py0, http://ftp.isc.org/www/bind/arm95/man.dnssec-keygen.html clearly explains it |
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| 02:35.26 | py0 | No, it does not clearly explain jack shit when it comes to the specific question I asked |
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| 02:36.23 | py0 | disregard |
| 02:36.25 | py0 | xD |
| 02:36.51 | squisher | :-) |
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| 02:38.26 | py0 | overlooking things.. fml |
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| 02:45.49 | maxd | pingflood: thank you |
| 02:47.53 | squisher | adreno, not sure if I can help, but the first question is if you're using just alsa or pulseaudio on top |
| 02:48.39 | seeker63 | squisher: thanks I will run the find |
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| 02:49.12 | squisher | seeker63, if you don't find anything there, I'd recommend looking at sound themes for instant messangers |
| 02:53.04 | adreno | squisher , thanks for trying to help my, but now i got linux mint |
| 02:53.39 | adreno | this distribution can 5.1 over hdmi out of the box |
| 02:53.56 | adreno | also didn't found my hdmi sound output |
| 02:53.59 | adreno | *alsa |
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| 02:55.41 | seeker63 | squisher: i think i found some i just need to apply it to xchat. thanks |
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| 03:09.56 | homecable | any one have a 100mbit or better ? |
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| 03:28.07 | seeker63 | why doesn't the files in /home/william/desktop show up on my desktop since i am william |
| 03:28.17 | seeker63 | using wheezy |
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| 03:37.30 | ROG3R | my kernel is 3.2.0-4-686-pae do i need to upgrade the kernel, is that important ? |
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| 03:51.17 | ROG3R | my kernel is 3.2.0-4-686-pae do i need to upgrade the kernel, is that important ? |
| 03:51.54 | dvs | ROG3R: Only if you are having trouble with devices |
| 03:51.57 | homecable | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and hit yes |
| 03:52.20 | ROG3R | dvs: I have no problems whatsoever |
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| 03:53.02 | dvs | ROG3R: Then dont worry about it. Just make sure you have the security repo enabled to keep up to date with exploits. |
| 03:53.42 | ROG3R | dvs: how to i make sure |
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| 03:54.38 | dvs | ROG3R: Do apt-get update; apt-get upgrade once in a while. |
| 03:55.32 | ROG3R | dvs: ok thx |
| 03:55.47 | dvs | np |
| 03:56.02 | ROG3R | how often do you do it? |
| 03:56.22 | dvs | twice a week |
| 03:56.30 | ROG3R | i see |
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| 03:59.55 | tm512 | has anyone had success with replacing systemd with runit in a testing/sid install? |
| 04:00.31 | tm512 | interested in knowing whether it's straightforward enough or not |
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| 04:35.31 | athene_noctua | Hi, I am thinking of having my iptables rules load when my interface comes online instead of putting a script in /etc/rc.local, is this an "okay" thing to do? |
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| 04:36.07 | athene_noctua | I'd rather have those rules restored as soon as the int comes up as long as there isn't some reason why I shouldn't? |
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| 04:55.20 | twinkie | hi all |
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| 05:04.37 | twinkie | bbl or tomorow |
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| 05:16.09 | bookmark | hi, i'm currently on windows but i'd like offline documentation for enet lib. is it available as a package for debian? |
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| 05:16.27 | bookmark | it isn't available for download on their website |
| 05:16.58 | suicidebait | asdf |
| 05:17.03 | bookmark | i could use black widow on it i guess but it would download too many links probably |
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| 05:17.32 | suicidebait | cant believe i cant chat in #ubuntu |
| 05:17.38 | suicidebait | like im a homosexual or something. |
| 05:17.42 | suicidebait | pm me. |
| 05:18.42 | bookmark | at least homos are never unfit mothers like we have making starving children |
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| 05:19.06 | bookmark | well not usally at least |
| 05:20.38 | bookmark | i wish people would start making fun of unfit mothers instead of homos |
| 05:24.21 | Rusty1 | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libenet-doc bookmark ? |
| 05:24.57 | bookmark | wow thanks rusty1 |
| 05:25.09 | bookmark | now i just have to install debian lol |
| 05:25.28 | bookmark | unless someone wants to be nice and put it someplace for me :) |
| 05:25.51 | bookmark | like in a tarball or whatever |
| 05:28.09 | bookmark | i mean its not microsofts fault |
| 05:28.14 | bookmark | or mine |
| 05:28.29 | bookmark | silly enet |
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| 05:30.17 | suicidebait | most homosexual are circumsized. |
| 05:30.20 | suicidebait | ???? |
| 05:30.40 | Rusty1 | !ops suicidebait is trolling |
| 05:30.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: rusty1 complains about: suicidebait is trolling |
| 05:30.53 | suicidebait | zzzz |
| 05:31.02 | suicidebait | i answered the dudes question. |
| 05:31.07 | suicidebait | maybe you should stfu? |
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| 05:36.40 | rjsalts | In preseed file is there any way to tell apt-setup not to add the deb-src lines. I see apt-setup/local0/source boolean false, but is there any equivalent for apt-setup/main/source? |
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| 05:42.36 | rryoumaa | are /etc/magic and /etc/magic.mime hardlinked normally? |
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| 05:43.42 | rryoumaa | same question (i.e. are they supposed to be linked) for /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms and /etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms |
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| 05:44.11 | rryoumaa | because on one installation they are not and on another they are, and i wonder if i mistakenly hardlinked them |
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| 06:24.50 | chops_ | How do I tell which window manager gnome is using? Poking around with ps didn't enlighten me. |
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| 06:28.45 | wingman2 | so I'm compiling the kernel does anyone know about the order of preference in Kconfig? |
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| 07:40.06 | bookmark_ | anyone know where to get a virtualbox image of weezy? |
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| 07:40.35 | bookmark_ | a minimal install is fine |
| 07:41.10 | SirLagz | bookmark_: why do you want a virtualbox image of it ? |
| 07:41.16 | bookmark_ | cuz i use windows |
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| 07:41.24 | SirLagz | bookmark_: why not just install it into a virtualbox vm ? |
| 07:41.28 | bookmark_ | and im not fing with my boot record |
| 07:41.42 | bookmark_ | hmm ok |
| 07:41.59 | jantwisted | I need a help to setup my wifi. actually it's not even enabled in system |
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| 07:42.02 | SirLagz | bookmark_: what boot record ? Just create a VM, mount the ISO on the VM, and install it ont he VM |
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| 07:43.50 | bookmark_ | they used to have a netinstall cd or something like that.. that was smaller |
| 07:43.56 | bookmark_ | do they still have that? |
| 07:44.21 | bookmark_ | i just want very minmal i just need g++ |
| 07:44.46 | bookmark_ | n/m i found it |
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| 08:05.28 | tm512 | can this debian 7.7 netinst iso be used to install sid? |
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| 08:05.46 | tm512 | I'd rather not burn another CD if it's not going to make a difference |
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| 08:07.07 | imt | hi everyone, I just upgraded to jessie and I have a minor issue: 'sudo su -' does not work (doesn't even cumplain, just enters and exists the root account); 'sudo bash' or 'sudo whatever' works perfectly, but I cannot find why 'sudo su -' (even while being root) doesn't work |
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| 08:09.30 | imt | I've checked 'pam.d' file (seems OK, not modified) and system logs (no errors, just success sudo/su entries) |
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| 08:10.05 | lasers | tm512: Yeah. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#How_do_I_install_Sid.3F |
| 08:11.20 | lasers | tm512: Also, if you have to ask that question, just stick with stable or testing. (imo) |
| 08:11.45 | tm512 | lol |
| 08:11.50 | tm512 | I'm on arch right now |
| 08:11.57 | tm512 | and I've done linux from scratch |
| 08:13.39 | tm512 | the squeeze installer is just loading installation files from itself |
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| 08:35.01 | babilen | tm512: You wouldn't be able to install sid directly anyway. I'd recommend to 1. Install wheezy and then upgrade to jessie (with sid sources already in your sources.list and the default release set to jessie -- /msg dpkg <jsm>). Install apt-listbugs before the upgrade (cf. <sid faq> -- /msg dpkg sid faq) and once complete remove the default release entry and upgrade the few remaining packages to their respective version in sid |
| 08:35.15 | babilen | (alternatively download a jessie beta installer) |
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| 08:37.25 | tm512 | what about "During the installation choose "Advanced options" -> "Expert install". In the step "Choose a mirror of the Debian archive" choose version "sid - unstable"." |
| 08:38.06 | babilen | Feel free to go that route, but there is no guarantee that sid is installable at any given time. |
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| 08:38.59 | babilen | (and, if I were in your position, I would prefer to have jessie versions first as to be able to pin packages with grave bugs in sid easily with apt-listbugs) |
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| 08:39.53 | babilen | "I'd recommend to" is certainly not "the only way to", but a reasonably secure way. I'd grab the jessie installer, but you explicitly stated that you don't want to download another installer. |
| 08:40.06 | tm512 | I will if I have to |
| 08:40.09 | babilen | You could also use the wheezy installer to install jessie |
| 08:40.16 | babilen | You don't *have* to. |
| 08:40.21 | tm512 | or I'll do wheezy - jessie - sid |
| 08:40.34 | tm512 | is sid that much worse than just running arch? |
| 08:40.59 | tm512 | everything makes it sound like it will make the computer literally explode |
| 08:41.04 | tm512 | like for real |
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| 08:44.17 | babilen | The perception of what are acceptable complications might be skewed in Debian users. I've been tracking sid for years and rarely had problems that were hard to fix. Read the <sid faq>, idle in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (and ask your testing/unstable related questions there) and make sure that you don't blindly do things because "apt made me do it" |
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| 08:45.40 | tm512 | that sounds like running arch |
| 08:45.50 | tm512 | updates requiring user intervention |
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| 08:47.13 | tm512 | the nastiest I recall was switching to systemd and when they decided to symlink /{bin,sbin,lib} to /usr/{bin,sbin,lib} |
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| 08:50.53 | tm512 | now I need a name for this system. bleh. the hardest part. |
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| 08:52.21 | tm512 | I usually use astronomical stuff, my home computers have been named from stars from the big dipper, but I'm running out of nice names |
| 08:52.53 | tm512 | used alcor, alkaid, mizar, and I can't use alioth since one of debian's servers took it first :| |
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| 08:53.53 | trem0r | start naming them after he-man characters |
| 08:54.01 | trem0r | skeletor, trapjaw, stratos, etc |
| 08:55.13 | tm512 | nah |
| 08:55.32 | trem0r | my little ponies? |
| 08:55.40 | trem0r | care bears |
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| 09:05.41 | babilen | tm512: This is getting rather off-topic (and would therefore be better suited for #debian-offtopic), but take a look at: http://namingschemes.com/ (in the end you either want randomised names or semantic ones (e.g. DATACENTRE-FOO-DB1) or a combination thereof) |
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| 09:09.26 | tm512 | I can't find the option for selecting which version to install |
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| 09:25.23 | Katharsis | after enable integrated graphic card on bios |
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| 09:25.50 | Katharsis | one of them display "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated..." |
| 09:26.07 | Katharsis | but second display in right way |
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| 09:41.22 | ntz | hello |
| 09:41.25 | ntz | I have little problem ... I am logged in to the remote debian server with TERM=xterm (not mine server) and in bash doesn't work pgup/down history completition ... is there anything I can do to enable to |
| 09:41.30 | ntz | s/enable to/enable it/ |
| 09:41.34 | ntz | can't find it in the manpage |
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| 09:54.00 | whirm | Hi everybody |
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| 10:00.04 | whirm | is it already possible to boot a xen hipervisor on debian SID from UEFI? |
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| 10:07.16 | ntz | can anybody drop a word about that pgup/down in this weird distro ? |
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| 10:09.52 | eXistenZNL | use up/down? |
| 10:10.00 | eXistenZNL | or ctrl-r |
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| 10:10.11 | eXistenZNL | ntz, KABOOM, word dropped |
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| 10:33.36 | ChrisH | ntz: what is the local X-Server? export TERM=vt100 did fix a lof of issues for me. |
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| 10:37.42 | premoboss | just got a old iBook G4 PowerPC @1.2Ghz 512Mram, 40G HDD. (Model: PowerBook6,5). Of course i wanto to purge apple OS and replace with debian. Im downoladin the 1st CD od Debian of PowerPC, in the menatime im here to ask some nice howto to install (i.e. there is no Bios on iBook G4, i duno how to force boot from CD) |
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| 10:38.38 | ntz | ChrisH: thanks but not this |
| 10:38.55 | ntz | it must be some inane debian default because there are no changes from defaults in this |
| 10:39.23 | ntz | premoboss: omg, first hit in ggl |
| 10:39.46 | premoboss | mmm... shame on me u are right. |
| 10:39.54 | B[]rG | premoboss: insert dvd, reboot and press C |
| 10:40.05 | premoboss | ok thanks. |
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| 10:43.21 | Sendoushi | hey guys. i've installed debian without DE in virtualbox. is there a way to set a bigger resolution? at least 1024x768? |
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| 10:55.37 | raSter^ | is there an ARM support for debian? Or is it still in development? |
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| 10:57.15 | somiaj | it is an offical port now |
| 10:57.29 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ |
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| 11:05.17 | Megaf_ | Hi all, is this fixable? http://paste.debian.net/plain/137400 |
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| 11:13.11 | SynrG | Megaf_: did you blow away /var/cache or something? |
| 11:13.26 | SynrG | or /var/cache/apt? |
| 11:13.36 | Megaf_ | yes, but not on that server |
| 11:13.37 | SynrG | you should use apt-get clean to clean that up, not manual removal |
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| 11:14.10 | SynrG | it looks like your /var/cache/debconf is toast |
| 11:14.26 | SynrG | try recreating it? |
| 11:14.59 | SynrG | (sorry, unrelated to /var/cache/apt ... i skimmed ;) |
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| 11:15.44 | someHuman | Hi! |
| 11:15.58 | someHuman | Is it safe to install add-ons on IceWeasel? |
| 11:16.28 | SynrG | insofar as you trust the publisher, sure. |
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| 11:17.21 | Megaf_ | SynrG: how do I recreate it? |
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| 11:18.44 | someHuman | Debian also crashes -_- |
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| 11:19.21 | someHuman | Shows me this message "Sorry something has really gone wrong...please reboot PC" with a sad computer face. |
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| 11:20.21 | Megaf_ | someHuman: that's not Debians fault |
| 11:20.30 | Megaf_ | that's GNOME faults, or even the driver you are using |
| 11:20.43 | Megaf_ | or you did something nasty |
| 11:21.11 | Megaf_ | someHuman: you can just switch to a terminal and restart gdm3 |
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| 11:21.36 | someHuman | dm3? |
| 11:21.39 | someHuman | gdm3? |
| 11:22.05 | Megaf_ | gdm3 is the display manager |
| 11:22.18 | Megaf_ | that's what starts the X and shows you the login window |
| 11:22.39 | Megaf_ | so, you can ctrl alt f1 to switch to a termina, log as root, then do service gdm3 restart |
| 11:23.04 | someHuman | As in, "sudo gdm3 restart" ? |
| 11:23.24 | Megaf_ | sudo service gdm3 restart |
| 11:23.34 | Megaf_ | if you log as a normal user and have sudo enabled |
| 11:23.35 | someHuman | Ah |
| 11:23.45 | SynrG | Megaf_: uh? just mkdir /var/cache/debconf |
| 11:24.05 | SynrG | sorry. thought that was obvious :) |
| 11:24.40 | Megaf_ | SynrG: it would be if there wasnt a folder named the same in somewhere else |
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| 11:25.11 | SynrG | ok. i'm confused by that statement. but whatever. just try the mkdir and report if that fixes the issue |
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| 11:26.21 | Megaf_ | SynrG: sorry, I miss(insert word here) that, got confused by /etc/debconf.conf |
| 11:26.50 | Megaf_ | recreating the folder did the trick indeed, thanks |
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| 11:27.41 | SynrG | Megaf_: great. and that answer was courtesy of the hundreds of posts about it you can find with google on the error message ;) |
| 11:28.04 | SynrG | this one: debconf: DbDriver "config": mkdir :No such file or directory |
| 11:28.37 | SynrG | so it seems you're not alone in shooting yourself in the foot in this particular way. |
| 11:29.12 | SynrG | Megaf_: if you understand how/why /var/cache/debconf went away, the long term solution is "don't do that" |
| 11:29.23 | SynrG | if you don't understand how it went away, that may bear some additional investigation. |
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| 11:30.06 | Megaf_ | wow, Im not the only stupid on Earth, lol |
| 11:30.14 | SynrG | :) |
| 11:30.23 | SynrG | we all have our moments |
| 11:30.39 | Megaf_ | yep |
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| 11:31.38 | Megaf_ | I will never forger, long ago when I was still learning English and have messed up with some privs on some folders, a guy told be to do a wipe -rfs / |
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| 11:31.50 | Megaf_ | (to whoever is reading that, dont do that!) |
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| 11:31.59 | someHuman | How do I end a task with a PID? |
| 11:32.10 | someHuman | There's this process still running that I can see via top |
| 11:32.15 | Megaf_ | and I did such command and lost all content of all partitions |
| 11:32.19 | someHuman | I want to kill it by it's PID. |
| 11:32.32 | someHuman | Is it kill -pid *id* ? |
| 11:32.35 | Megaf_ | someHuman: kill -TERM PID |
| 11:32.51 | someHuman | What's -TERM for? |
| 11:32.51 | SynrG | also, man pages help here |
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| 11:32.55 | SynrG | terminate |
| 11:32.57 | someHuman | Ah |
| 11:32.57 | SynrG | it is also the default |
| 11:33.04 | SynrG | it is the "polite" way to request termination |
| 11:33.07 | Megaf_ | TERMinate |
| 11:33.15 | SynrG | sometimes processes are so thoroughly hung they will not respond |
| 11:33.18 | Megaf_ | yep, very polite |
| 11:33.19 | someHuman | So, kill -term 12312 |
| 11:33.24 | Megaf_ | the impolite and hardcore way is -9 |
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| 11:33.34 | Megaf_ | someHuman: NO, -TERM it is |
| 11:33.35 | someHuman | Megaf_: What does that do? |
| 11:33.45 | someHuman | Haha, yeah ok. |
| 11:33.46 | jaggzed | is it weird that I can nmap my local system's primary IP, but while I can access another IP it has (telnet port 25, for instance), nmap thinks it's down? |
| 11:33.51 | SynrG | it impolitely makes the process vanish, leaving unfinished business undone |
| 11:34.00 | SynrG | it is "uncatchable" |
| 11:34.09 | SynrG | so it cannot release any resources, clean up lock files, etc. |
| 11:34.23 | someHuman | Ah |
| 11:34.26 | jaggzed | (one ip on one interface.. another on another).. |
| 11:34.27 | SynrG | generally avoid this. there could be data loss |
| 11:34.37 | someHuman | The polite way cleans stuff then? |
| 11:34.42 | Megaf_ | yep, so -TERM asks the program to get stuff done and quit, and -9 just finishs it |
| 11:34.43 | someHuman | Yup. |
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| 11:34.48 | someHuman | Ah ok |
| 11:34.52 | someHuman | Thanks guys! |
| 11:34.57 | SynrG | -9 is also known as -KILL |
| 11:35.03 | someHuman | Ah |
| 11:35.10 | someHuman | See you later guys! |
| 11:35.34 | Megaf_ | -TERM = Please put the glass on that table and die, -KILL = shot in the head and drop the glass to the ground, making a mess |
| 11:35.51 | Megaf_ | why did he left? |
| 11:35.59 | SynrG | ask and run :) |
| 11:37.04 | Megaf_ | If my internet were more stable I would be online here for about 5 months now, no stop |
| 11:39.05 | Megaf_ | SynrG: any idea why I'm getting broken pipe if I leave ssh connection idle? If there is something like top running or watch it won't disconnect, but it there is nothin I will get a broken pipe, and it happens only when I'm using my home internet, it doesn't happen at my workplace. |
| 11:39.38 | SynrG | dunno. some servers have idle timeouts |
| 11:39.56 | SynrG | is the connection from home proxied somehow? |
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| 11:40.06 | Megaf_ | It's 3G |
| 11:40.16 | SynrG | ah. then isn't that proxied by default? |
| 11:40.49 | Megaf_ | I have no idea, I use the built in theter from Android |
| 11:40.57 | SynrG | maybe the proxy has an idle timeout. or maybe there's just something in the cell mgmt that triggers it |
| 11:41.05 | trewas | Megaf_: if there is some form of NAT involved then it probably forgets idle connections |
| 11:41.07 | SynrG | either way, you're not alone |
| 11:41.14 | Walex | Megaf_: usually it is some intermediate firewall having a timeout on starte |
| 11:41.18 | SynrG | i get 3G ssh connections dropped |
| 11:41.24 | SynrG | have never really investigated why |
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| 11:41.52 | SynrG | when i use it, it is very transient anyway (and sometimes in motion: on bus or so) |
| 11:41.52 | Walex | Megaf_: look at 'SeverAliveInterval' parameter of SSH |
| 11:42.03 | SynrG | so i expect to not have 100% reliabilitiy |
| 11:42.06 | SynrG | reliability* |
| 11:42.44 | Walex | Megaf_: SynrG: as a rule 3G connections are firewalled... |
| 11:42.49 | SynrG | my non-3G home -> work connections get dropped |
| 11:43.01 | SynrG | the reverse is not true, however |
| 11:43.18 | SynrG | or is it the other way around. i forget :) |
| 11:43.34 | SynrG | anyway, in one direction they're dropped when idle. again, never really cared to investigate. |
| 11:43.42 | SynrG | no pressing business reason to fix it. |
| 11:43.44 | Megaf_ | Walex: that on the host or client? |
| 11:43.52 | Walex | Megaf_: client |
| 11:43.59 | Megaf_ | I have TCPKeepAlive yes on client |
| 11:44.13 | Megaf_ | and there is not SeverAliveInterval |
| 11:44.15 | Megaf_ | no* |
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| 11:44.30 | Walex | Megaf_: you are not a computer.. |
| 11:44.38 | trewas | Megaf_: that should be ServerAliveInterval, if the typo was not obvious :) |
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| 11:45.09 | Megaf_ | Walex: how do you know? I have passed several turing tests already, lol |
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| 11:46.07 | Megaf_ | well, I couldn't find any SeverAliveInterval on /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 11:47.15 | Megaf_ | lol |
| 11:47.19 | Megaf_ | Sever |
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| 11:47.50 | Megaf_ | anyway, I search for Alive and it only could find TCPKeepAlive |
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| 11:49.17 | jaggzed | how do I get pulseaudio to give me all my mixers (front, rear, mic, line in, etc...)? All it gives me is a single Master channel. |
| 11:49.20 | adh0c | can anyone tell me if there's a way to disallow users from accessing the ssh client, not daemon? |
| 11:49.33 | jaggzed | I think the problem is it's not defaulting to my actual NDA Intel device |
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| 11:49.45 | adh0c | have a machine that's attempting to brute force other servers so I want to only allow two users access to the ssh client |
| 11:50.13 | Megaf_ | SeverAliveInterval |
| 11:50.22 | Megaf_ | ServerAliveCountMax |
| 11:51.06 | bezaban | adh0c: you can change the group ownership and permissions of /usr/bin/ssh |
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| 11:51.18 | bezaban | and add the users to said group |
| 11:51.37 | adh0c | Heard - thanks bezaban |
| 11:51.52 | bezaban | adh0c: also remove the execute flag for others |
| 11:52.32 | Megaf_ | Linux is stupid! |
| 11:52.35 | Megaf_ | rsync: write failed on "/home/minetest/Server/worlds/world/map.sqlite.tar.bz2": No space left on device (28) |
| 11:52.54 | jaggzed | in alsamixer if I hit F6 it'll let me select NDA Intel and I get my mixers.. I used aplay -l and saw the intel device is card0 device0, but I can't seem to get PA to default to it |
| 11:52.58 | Megaf_ | I removed a 2.5 GB file, having 4 GB free before that |
| 11:53.12 | Megaf_ | and now it fails to get a 1.2 GB file habing 4 GB + 2.5 GB free |
| 11:53.17 | bezaban | adh0c: you'd likely want 750 permissions |
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| 12:00.12 | adh0c | bezaban : yeah I just chmod o-x'd it. |
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| 12:00.30 | adh0c | Thanks for your help! |
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| 12:01.04 | ecstoian | Today, a dist-upgrade upgraded my bsd-mailx from version 8.1.2-0.20111106cvs-1 to version 8.1.2-0.20111106cvs-1+deb7u1. How can I revert this and reinstall the old package ? |
| 12:01.10 | Megaf_ | $ mkdir a |
| 12:01.10 | Megaf_ | mkdir: cannot create directory `a': No space left on device |
| 12:01.11 | jamesc | Trying to fix "start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --oknodo --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec /usr/sbin/vrrpd -- -i eth0.152 -v 1 -p 150 10.137.152.198" Produces "start-stop-daemon: --start needs --exec or --startas" anyone can help? |
| 12:01.24 | Megaf_ | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 12:01.24 | Megaf_ | /dev/ploop11248p1 9.7G 2.2G 7.1G 24% / |
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| 12:04.42 | superrorc_ | hi there! how can i check version of exsist package and verion for updatin via aptitute ? |
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| 12:05.21 | xiqy | superrorc_: apt-cache policy <package> |
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| 12:05.33 | superrorc_ | + ty! that is it! |
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| 12:05.57 | superrorc_ | after upgrading with aptitude some services dont works.. on wheezy |
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| 12:06.30 | superrorc_ | xiqy: can i specify a raw of packeg in 1 command? |
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| 12:08.15 | xiqy | superrorc_: apt-cache policy {<package 1>,<package 2>} |
| 12:09.01 | superrorc_ | it works with spase to |
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| 12:09.16 | xiqy | no |
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| 12:09.53 | superrorc_ | http://paste.debian.net/plain/137404 yes |
| 12:10.36 | xiqy | Huh, I didn't even consider that -_- |
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| 12:12.57 | superrorc_ | =) |
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| 12:23.33 | superrorc_ | how can i check dependensis of installed package? |
| 12:24.30 | superrorc_ | apt-cache showpkg like this? |
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| 12:27.09 | SynrGy | superrorc_: apt-cache is a tool for examining packages that are available, but not necessarily installed. "check dependencies of" is poorly defined in your question. do you mean "what are the packages that i have installed that satisfy the dependencies of"? |
| 12:28.42 | SynrGy | in general, "apt-cache show <packagename>" will show what a package depends on. but that might contain alternatives and could accept a wide range of different versions. so this doesn't give you an accurate picture of "what packages currently satisfy the dependencies of <packagename>" |
| 12:28.57 | SynrGy | superrorc_: can you clarify, please, what you're trying to find out? |
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| 12:29.50 | superrorc_ | i have openswan packeg. after aptitute upgrade it dont autostart on boot. its doesnt upgraded. thats why need to know dependensis on openswan |
| 12:30.19 | SynrGy | packages that depend *on* openswan itself? |
| 12:30.40 | superrorc_ | yep, like openssl |
| 12:30.45 | SynrGy | i.e. "reverse depends" |
| 12:30.45 | superrorc_ | curl |
| 12:30.49 | superrorc_ | ec.. |
| 12:30.50 | superrorc_ | + |
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| 12:31.04 | superrorc_ | stop. not reverse |
| 12:31.14 | superrorc_ | sec pls |
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| 12:31.47 | superrorc_ | this http://paste.debian.net/plain/137406 Dependencies |
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| 12:32.43 | superrorc_ | and aptitude want to upgrade this http://paste.debian.net/plain/137407 |
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| 12:33.30 | SynrGy | superrorc_: are you on testing? |
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| 12:33.39 | ntz | hello |
| 12:34.24 | ntz | I need a little help with this sick distro .. I put on the debian server my (our) script what we use a years on rhel servers with no issue .. |
| 12:34.36 | ntz | in this sick distro it just doesn't work as expected .. |
| 12:35.04 | SynrGy | superrorc_: do you always safe-upgrade? if you're on testing, you'll end up with things broken if you don't do full-upgrade. aptitude needs to be able to remove packages that are superceded by newer ones, and full-upgrade does that. safe-upgrade will not. |
| 12:35.12 | ntz | we're doing from there a `postfix -v reload' but from cron it completely surpress the output .. if I run the same cron script from cli the output is there |
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| 12:35.30 | ntz | it must be related to that cron doesn't export (all) env vars .. |
| 12:35.38 | ntz | on rhel it works 1:1 out of the box |
| 12:35.52 | ntz | I really don't know what to do more here on debian |
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| 12:36.20 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: befor i must remove old packages than run safe-upgrade ? |
| 12:36.35 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: i am on wheezy 7.7 |
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| 12:36.54 | SynrGy | superrorc_: i don't understand why the long list of upgrades. what are you upgrading from/to? |
| 12:37.13 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: sec pls, provide some info |
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| 12:38.13 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: http://paste.debian.net/plain/137408 |
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| 12:38.59 | SynrGy | ah, so 7.6 -> 7.7 |
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| 12:41.00 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: its is a testing? |
| 12:41.05 | SynrGy | so why aren't you doing full-upgrade for this case? and if you do, does it produce a different set of packages it says it will upgrade? |
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| 12:41.08 | SynrGy | no, it is stable. |
| 12:41.30 | SynrGy | but part of your complaint is, if i understand correctly, that something is not getting upgraded that you think should be? |
| 12:41.50 | SynrGy | which sounds like a case of you not using full-upgrade when you ought to. |
| 12:42.07 | SynrGy | ntz: unsure. do you get other cron emails? |
| 12:42.19 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: execut apt-get upgrade to show u what pakaget want to update? |
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| 12:42.31 | SynrGy | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:42.39 | SynrGy | (or aptitude full-upgrade ... same thing) |
| 12:42.49 | SynrGy | well, fsvo "same". they use different resolvers ;) |
| 12:42.52 | ntz | SynrGy: it all works |
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| 12:42.56 | SynrGy | but it is roughly equivalent. |
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| 12:43.54 | ntz | there is only problem that in debian (not anywhere else) does `postfix -v reload' give no output at all but it reloads postfix |
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| 12:44.09 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: dist-upgrade http://paste.debian.net/plain/137409 |
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| 12:44.16 | ntz | if you run that command from cli (or even the script for cron from cli) the output is there |
| 12:44.31 | ntz | SynrGy: so it must be somewhat related to that cron doesn't export fully the @env |
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| 12:47.09 | SynrGy | ntz: hmm. experimenting |
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| 12:47.49 | SynrGy | ntz: echo postfix -v reload | at now |
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| 12:47.53 | SynrGy | ntz: this reproduces your issue? |
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| 12:48.03 | ntz | SynrGy: sorry |
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| 12:48.11 | ntz | what am I supposed to do ? |
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| 12:48.37 | SynrGy | just confirm i've found a reproducible failing test case i can iterate on until i understand what's going on :) |
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| 12:48.55 | SynrGy | since i don't want to actually create cron jobs. that's a hassle. 'at' is much easier |
| 12:49.38 | SynrGy | i believe it uses the same method to execute. it's just different from a scheduling perspective. |
| 12:49.40 | ntz | echo postfix -v reload | at now |
| 12:49.46 | ntz | doesn't give the output also |
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| 12:49.56 | ntz | postfix -v reload ## does |
| 12:49.59 | SynrGy | right. so that's my test case. now i try to understand why not :) |
| 12:50.03 | ntz | but lemme check if atd really restarts it |
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| 12:51.29 | ntz | SynrGy: yeah, so it really reloads the postfix but without the output indeed |
| 12:51.36 | SynrGy | superrorc_: sorry, i can really only do one thing at a time. looking at your output |
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| 12:51.43 | ntz | SynrGy: not NOT 100% sure if at will tell the output on stdout |
| 12:51.58 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: its ok , thanks ! |
| 12:52.09 | ntz | SynrGy: that was just an information, not next Q: or something like that |
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| 12:53.18 | SynrGy | superrorc_: i think this is the same as http://paste.debian.net/plain/137407 but can't tell for certain because the package count is omitted from that paste. |
| 12:54.48 | SynrGy | superrorc_: just, oddly ... wrapped differently |
| 12:54.49 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: check what diff in this 2 outputs? |
| 12:55.06 | SynrGy | superrorc_: i.e. i don't think the two upgrades are any different. |
| 12:55.10 | SynrGy | so my theory is wrong |
| 12:55.27 | superrorc_ | i think to.. |
| 12:55.31 | SynrGy | ntz: hmm. thinking. |
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| 12:56.34 | ntz | SynrGy: good luck, i was 'thinking" two hours but with no results :P |
| 12:57.26 | SynrGy | superrorc_: so i'm not sure where that leaves us. you started by asking about checking dependencies. you said openswan is not starting on boot and what ... you're worried that some of these un-upgraded things may be its dependencies and that's why it fails? |
| 12:57.33 | SynrGy | ntz: heh. |
| 12:57.50 | ntz | SynrGy: JFYI, set -x debug says |
| 12:57.51 | ntz | + /usr/sbin/postfix -v reload |
| 12:57.52 | ntz | + _pfix=0 |
| 12:58.01 | ntz | ^^ in the script is _pfix=$? |
| 12:58.16 | ntz | and it really reloads the postfix but what it does with the damned output ?????? |
| 12:58.32 | SynrGy | ntz: i could understand cron sanitizing the environment *before* starting the command. but i don't understand why it would interfere with postfix setting the flag in the environment and passing to postfix-script |
| 12:58.45 | SynrGy | that part has me stumped |
| 12:58.53 | ntz | SynrGy: yes, only with postfix .. other commands there gives output as expected |
| 12:59.01 | ntz | SynrGy: http://susepaste.org/6708553 |
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| 12:59.04 | SynrGy | set -x "in the script". which one? the cron script? |
| 12:59.05 | ntz | here is the script |
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| 12:59.10 | ntz | yes |
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| 12:59.27 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: yep... problem is that after upgrade openswan daemon pluto dont up on boot... |
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| 12:59.33 | ntz | it's there from the beginning ... it's script I use on tens of servers .. but now in debian it doesn't work |
| 12:59.34 | SynrGy | hmm. postfix itself is a binary. we can't set -x in that :p |
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| 12:59.54 | SynrGy | superrorc_: but your pastes indicate you haven't finished upgrading ... |
| 12:59.57 | ntz | set -x is in the script !!! http://susepaste.org/6708553 |
| 12:59.58 | SynrGy | superrorc_: why not? |
| 13:00.35 | SynrGy | ntz: i understood that part. i meant only that it would be nice to see what's going on when postfix calls postfix-script, but that's opaque to us because it's in a binary |
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| 13:00.46 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: coz i do it a lot of times. i have snaphot of working server now. and dont want break it with upgradeing |
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| 13:01.28 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: i restored from backup a lot of times after upgrrade this packages |
| 13:01.28 | superrorc_ | ... |
| 13:01.28 | SynrGy | superrorc_: so you want to only selectively upgrade dependencies of openswan? is that your goal? |
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| 13:01.36 | ntz | SynrGy: yeah |
| 13:01.45 | ntz | exacttly .. sorry, I badly understood |
| 13:01.57 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: withot opens swan deps |
| 13:02.10 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: and after update openswan |
| 13:02.18 | SynrGy | ntz: i'm only just now getting to your paste :) |
| 13:02.23 | SynrGy | sorry about the slowness |
| 13:03.24 | ntz | no prob |
| 13:03.57 | ntz | SynrGy: my current script is a little bit updated already .. on line #105 is now `/usr/sbin/postfix -v reload' |
| 13:03.58 | SynrGy | superrorc_: upgrading openswan may not upgrade all of its dependencies. and if some dependencies are not versioned tightly enough it might cause it to break. is that your reasoning? |
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| 13:05.04 | SynrGy | superrorc_: i guess if i were you i would look at openswan's dependencies, recursively, and see if any of the un-upgraded things are in the list of dependencies, and try upgrading them as well. |
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| 13:06.01 | SynrGy | superrorc_: but 'openswan' is a virtual package. so what i really mean is the package providing it on your system. |
| 13:06.40 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: i just want exlude from updates this Dependencies http://paste.debian.net/plain/137406 |
| 13:07.07 | SynrGy | huh ... nothing provides openswan? |
| 13:07.25 | SynrGy | look, i see openswan was at one time in debian. maybe it is removed now? |
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| 13:07.30 | SynrGy | ,v openswan |
| 13:07.31 | judd | Package: openswan on i386 -- squeeze-security: 1:2.6.28+dfsg-5+squeeze2; wheezy: 1:2.6.37-3; wheezy-security: 1:2.6.37-3+deb7u1 |
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| 13:07.46 | SynrGy | yes. not in jessie. this doesn't help me, as i don't have a wheezy system for reference. |
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| 13:08.07 | superrorc_ | ii openswan 1:2.6.37-3+deb7u1 i386 Internet Key Exchange daemon |
| 13:08.17 | superrorc_ | dpkg -l |
| 13:08.30 | superrorc_ | have this now |
| 13:08.33 | SynrGy | ntz: ok. and why the -v anyway? is checking $? insufficient? |
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| 13:09.11 | SynrGy | ntz: i mean yes, it's irritating there is this difference that we don't yet understand, but i'm trying to understand what the -v accomplishes for you |
| 13:09.15 | ntz | SynrGy: we have a nagios parser parsing thios output |
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| 13:09.28 | ntz | already written and used in 100 (rhel) boxes |
| 13:09.39 | ntz | not working in this one (debian) server |
| 13:10.00 | dokma | I'm looking for a tool to remove duplicate blocks of text (NOT LINES!) from a file. Any hints? |
| 13:10.41 | abrotman | and leave only one? |
| 13:10.48 | dokma | exactly |
| 13:10.53 | SynrGy | ntz: i'm looking at the cron man page in debian. in the section labeled DEBIAN SPECIFIC ... |
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| 13:11.00 | SynrGy | haven't fully caught up yet. :) |
| 13:11.25 | SynrGy | ntz: but following your "something not passed in the environment" theory. it sounds reasonable to me. :) |
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| 13:11.40 | ntz | it is.. |
| 13:11.57 | ntz | I had to put there LANG=en_US to get sort -u working same as from cli JFYI |
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| 13:12.26 | SynrGy | superrorc_: sure. nothing wrong with that. i just find it difficult to help when i don't have a wheezy box handy |
| 13:12.29 | ntz | in this script was sort -u producing different output than when run from terminal (same script just btw) |
| 13:13.06 | SynrGy | superrorc_: so maybe we can start with some error output? if you /etc/init.d/openswan start ... any errors? |
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| 13:13.47 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: no.. just no message with Openswan started.. |
| 13:13.53 | SynrGy | ntz: i see. yeah, it's going to start with C or something |
| 13:14.13 | SynrGy | superrorc_: so then check logs |
| 13:14.24 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: need to go, thanks 4 u time! |
| 13:14.28 | SynrGy | superrorc_: if you can find errors from the logs for why it didn't start, maybe this will help |
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| 13:14.31 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: already checked |
| 13:14.36 | SynrGy | nothing? |
| 13:14.43 | SynrGy | maybe looking at wrong logs? |
| 13:14.45 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: NOTHING... =( |
| 13:14.50 | SynrGy | sigh. |
| 13:15.09 | SynrGy | maybe the init script is a bit broken? |
| 13:15.19 | superrorc_ | no... |
| 13:15.39 | SynrGy | well, it's possible to divert output to /dev/null or so ... |
| 13:15.41 | SynrGy | concealing problems |
| 13:15.41 | superrorc_ | i tryed with this issue with 2-3 weaks |
| 13:15.46 | SynrGy | this would be "broken", imho |
| 13:15.53 | SynrGy | but i don't know what's in the init script |
| 13:16.05 | superrorc_ | its works now |
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| 13:16.15 | superrorc_ | befor i intall upgrades |
| 13:16.22 | superrorc_ | all forks perfect |
| 13:16.31 | superrorc_ | without updates |
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| 13:18.05 | superrorc_ | http://paste.debian.net/plain/137414 -this log with works service |
| 13:18.17 | SynrGy | superrorc_: so just to make it clear, you're going from 7.6's openswan -> 7.7's and it breaks. and if you downgrade back to the 7.6 version, it works again? |
| 13:18.28 | superrorc_ | and no in logs just no string with http://paste.debian.net/plain/137414 |
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| 13:19.00 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: i restor withvm snapshot |
| 13:19.01 | SynrGy | superrorc_: i want to say "the un-upgraded things are causing this" but i have no proof :) |
| 13:19.13 | SynrGy | superrorc_: it's strange to not fully upgrade |
| 13:19.54 | SynrGy | if you have a snapshot anyway, why are you not fully upgrading? if it doesn't go well, you can fall back |
| 13:20.03 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: restore vm - apt-get upgrade - reboot - stop working - restore again |
| 13:20.11 | SynrGy | oh, ok |
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| 13:20.16 | superrorc_ | ) |
| 13:20.25 | SynrGy | so it's not actually openswan itself being upgraded, but you suspect one of its dependencies that breaks it? |
| 13:20.28 | SynrGy | but you can't tell which one. |
| 13:20.36 | abrotman | dokma: sort of depends on how the file is formatted .. but it's a CS101 programming project also |
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| 13:20.59 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: yep! |
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| 13:21.24 | SynrGy | superrorc_: that would have made a better opening problem statement, then. :) sorry this took so long to figure out |
| 13:21.34 | fiveghz | how long does it typically take to have a mirror approved once submitted? |
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| 13:22.00 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: sry for my bas eng.. |
| 13:22.18 | dokma | abrotman, need if for plain text |
| 13:22.19 | abrotman | fiveghz: I'd guess more than a couple of days |
| 13:22.20 | SynrGy | superrorc_: apt-rdepends shows deps recursively |
| 13:22.27 | abrotman | dokma: That's not what I meant by format |
| 13:22.38 | SynrGy | superrorc_: maybe this helps |
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| 13:22.49 | abrotman | fiveghz: you can try to ask #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:23.11 | fiveghz | abrotman: ok thanks, its been a few weeks since I submitted it, I'll ask there thanks |
| 13:23.12 | dokma | abrotman, do you know of any utils that could do this? I found this: https://github.com/hudayou/fib |
| 13:23.17 | SynrGy | superrorc_: or apt-cache depends --recurse |
| 13:23.27 | abrotman | dokma: again, CS101 project, fairly trivial |
| 13:23.28 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: ill trying now |
| 13:23.33 | SynrGy | superrorc_: warning. produces tons of output |
| 13:23.53 | dokma | abrotman, what do you mean by CS101 project |
| 13:24.07 | abrotman | dokma: Introduction to Programming homework |
| 13:24.13 | SynrGy | superrorc_: i think apt-rdepends may have saner default for which branches it follows |
| 13:24.27 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: will go away now. thanks a lot |
| 13:24.28 | SynrGy | superrorc_: the man pages for apt-rdepends and apt-cache explain how these commands work |
| 13:24.32 | SynrGy | superrorc_: ok. good luck! |
| 13:24.33 | dokma | abrotman, I can program it my self but I think there is a ready made solution for such a common problem |
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| 13:24.40 | superrorc_ | SynrGy: good luck! |
| 13:25.49 | sandman13 | where is dpkg? |
| 13:25.56 | sandman13 | the bot |
| 13:26.58 | abrotman | dokma: yes |
| 13:27.02 | abrotman | sandman13: napping |
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| 13:27.23 | sandman13 | abrotman: thanks for the info |
| 13:27.33 | dokma | abrotman, well that's what I asked in the first question. Are you intentionally dancing around the issue? |
| 13:27.56 | SynrGy | ntz: still baffled. but with the at command, maybe this gives you something you could debug further. we need to see inside somehow. |
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| 13:28.12 | SynrGy | ntz: the cron man page was no help :/ |
| 13:28.14 | abrotman | sandman13: Which factoid were you looking for? |
| 13:28.23 | ntz | SynrGy: thanks much for help |
| 13:28.28 | ntz | drop it .. it works .. |
| 13:28.32 | ntz | I leave it as open issue |
| 13:28.33 | sandman13 | abrotman: sid |
| 13:28.39 | SynrGy | ntz: yep. very screwy |
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| 13:28.47 | ntz | however yes, it would be nice to know why :) |
| 13:28.55 | SynrGy | ntz: i'm sure given enough time and debug print stmts (or strace ... or ...) |
| 13:28.59 | SynrGy | ntz: we could eventually solve it |
| 13:29.04 | SynrGy | but i'm drawing blanks |
| 13:29.22 | ntz | if you want the strace, I can give you the strace, do you ? |
| 13:29.23 | abrotman | sandman13: what about it? |
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| 13:29.55 | ntz | next run is scheduled at 2:34 (5 minutes left) .. no prob to put there: strace -fo /tmp/foo |
| 13:29.55 | SynrGy | ntz: you could give the *channel* the strace, but frankly, i'm tired of the issue now :) |
| 13:30.05 | ntz | sure, drop it :) |
| 13:30.05 | SynrGy | i have some things to do |
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| 13:30.20 | ntz | I'm also not attempting to solve that .. it works .. i leave it like that |
| 13:30.21 | sandman13 | abrotman: nothing serious just wanted to see what info dpkg has on it :) |
| 13:30.40 | SynrGy | ntz: so if you ever solve it, you can PM me and tell me the answer :) |
| 13:30.52 | SynrGy | ntz: i care enough to know why, just not enough to debug further :p |
| 13:30.55 | SynrGy | hate being stumped |
| 13:30.57 | abrotman | sandman13: probably something to the effect of "Sid is the unstable branch of Debian, it is not meant for production systems, it can break, and sometimes badly. Please don't use unless you know what your'e doing" |
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| 13:32.23 | jelly | sandman13: http://ircbots.debian.net/ |
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| 13:32.35 | sandman13 | abrotman jelly thanks |
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| 13:38.14 | sandman13 | I was suggested that I should run Sid if I want Debian on desktop. When asked about bugs, the reply was: "Solving bugs helps you to know more about the package and system. Plus you are contributing to Debian." |
| 13:38.18 | sandman13 | :) |
| 13:38.27 | abrotman | sandman13: No |
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| 13:38.47 | sandman13 | abrotman: more explanation please |
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| 13:39.17 | abrotman | sandman13: if you can't fix a broken bootloader, or work without X (and that's just the beginning of possible problems), Sid isn't for you |
| 13:43.20 | SirLagz | bootloaders don't break all that often on Sid at least. X ? hah. |
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| 13:44.14 | sandman13 | the only thing I have solved regarding bootloader is reinstalling/updating grub after I deleted the old kernel entry while I was using it |
| 13:44.31 | jelly | SirLagz: extlinux was broken recently |
| 13:44.42 | SirLagz | jelly: good thing I missed that one then |
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| 13:45.00 | jelly | (it's still broken, I have to migrate back to grub2 :-() |
| 13:45.10 | SirLagz | my sid box has barely been on at all in the last couple of months though. Haven't been gaming much |
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| 13:51.07 | abrotman | SirLagz: That's not what I said, you just need to know how to resolve it |
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| 13:52.12 | dd__ | hi |
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| 13:52.48 | sandman13 | abrotman: so if you don't have idea to resolve the issues don't switch? |
| 13:53.03 | Walex | SirLagz: you don't need to 'unstable' to run Steam games, just some chosen packages from SteamOS Alchemist infecting 7/Wheezy. |
| 13:53.09 | SirLagz | abrotman: what's not what you said ? |
| 13:53.42 | SirLagz | Walex: Yes, I'm aware of that, but Steam's not the only game I run and when I built the machine, it was easier to run Sid than Jessie |
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| 13:54.06 | SirLagz | abrotman: wait never mind. I just re-read stuff. |
| 13:54.22 | abrotman | sandman13: you can try jessie if you want something a little newer |
| 13:54.52 | sandman13 | abrotman: I am running Jessie right now |
| 13:55.06 | abrotman | sandman13: and right now, jessie and sid are fairly identical |
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| 13:55.53 | Walex | sandman13: the 'testing' and 'unstable' archives are both for people who can investigate and solve packaging and other bugs, as the names indicate |
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| 13:56.21 | Walex | sandman13: as always, the backports archive is a very useful resource. |
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| 13:57.45 | sandman13 | Walex: I know :) |
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| 13:58.00 | Walex | sandman13: preaching to to choir here :-) |
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| 14:00.49 | sandman13 | I wouldn't be asking these questions here if I hadn't read something like this: "After a Stable release, the packages are picked in willy-nilly order for Unstable that might lead to major breakage." |
| 14:01.45 | SirLagz | always fun when perl breaks on sid |
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| 14:29.12 | hspcd | Hi all, we're recently new Puppet customers. We're looking for a solution for managing patches on our Debian servers. Anybody have any Puppet + Debian patching tips? |
| 14:30.49 | SirLagz | hspcd: nope, but when you find some, please do share. I want to get started on Puppet too lol |
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| 14:39.19 | hspcd | Duly noted SirLagz |
| 14:40.09 | SirLagz | hspcd: thanks :) |
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| 14:49.53 | CountryfiedLinux | howdy |
| 14:50.12 | CountryfiedLinux | Is there an official Mate edition of Debian? |
| 14:50.47 | mtn | CountryfiedLinux: there is only one official version of debian, you can install whatever you like, though. mate is in testing. |
| 14:51.40 | phre4k | CountryfiedLinux: I'd recommend Ubuntu or Mint with MATE |
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| 14:53.17 | abrotman | eh .. |
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| 14:54.37 | abrotman | would just recommend not using MATE |
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| 14:55.27 | abrotman | Nope |
| 14:56.54 | abrotman | CountryfiedLinux: at any rate, MATE should be part of the Jessie release, you can try that now if you want to. |
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| 14:58.11 | sandman13 | is amazed by the desktop-base for Jessie |
| 14:58.27 | sandman13 | it's really beautiful |
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| 15:03.46 | sandman13 | tomodachi: this is the wallpaper: http://i.imgur.com/xq8d8Fv.png |
| 15:03.54 | jeezy | nice |
| 15:05.46 | tomodachi | sandman13: looks quite nice indeed |
| 15:05.55 | tomodachi | whats does the scissor symbol do? |
| 15:06.28 | sandman13 | tomodachi: icon for clipboard called Klipper |
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| 15:16.02 | solvik | hi, i'm trying to disable USB on my preseed setup. On the APPEND line of my netboot configuration file, i added "nousb" at the end. It works well with my preseed setup of Ubuntu, but not with Debian |
| 15:16.05 | solvik | any ideas ? |
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| 15:42.25 | CountryfiedLinux | Oh ok cool. thanks mtn phre4k abrotman. Just checking. Was gonna review Point Linux since it's basically just Debian with Mate but wanted to check if it's officially supported. If it is then what's the Point? :P |
| 15:43.39 | abrotman | CountryfiedLinux: Sure, so can try the Jessie installer (beta) or install wheezy, and then upgrade |
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| 15:46.21 | CountryfiedLinux | I'm more of an Arch/Manjaro guy abrotman but I'll be sure to review Debian with Mate when it's official :) |
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| 15:47.19 | paskoe | hello how can I make gnome or kde default x manager? |
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| 15:48.04 | abrotman | paskoe: the DM or the DE? |
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| 15:52.00 | sandman13 | paskoe: if it's DM then install gdm or kdm |
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| 15:53.22 | superrorc | Hi guys!! Have trouble with autorun openswan (pluto daemon) . Its stop start on boot after upgrade from 7.6 to 7.7 32 bit. |
| 15:53.22 | superrorc | here is upgrade log = http://paste.debian.net/plain/137431 |
| 15:53.22 | superrorc | daemon log with working service on 7.6 http://paste.debian.net/plain/137432 |
| 15:53.23 | superrorc | daemon log AFTER upgrade http://paste.debian.net/plain/137433 , just dont up, no errors. |
| 15:53.23 | superrorc | pls any ideas? |
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| 15:55.14 | superrorc | hi guys! trouble after upgrade from 7.6 to 7.7 http://paste.debian.net/plain/137434 |
| 15:55.17 | trem0r | Wow, touchy spambot thing |
| 15:55.20 | superrorc | pls any ideas? |
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| 15:56.48 | superrorc | openswan stoped run un boot.. |
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| 15:58.24 | py0 | https://wiki.debian.org/Permissions I tried checking out the Human Readable Form (that's the one I seem to understand better) and I'd like to know if -rw------- means only the file owner can read or write it, nobody else can |
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| 15:59.33 | shibboleth | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1853266 |
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| 15:59.56 | shibboleth | Who is maintaining the git packages? |
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| 16:00.11 | sgflt | what's the recommended way to create new debian packages these days? |
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| 16:00.43 | sgflt | is there a definitive HOWTO? |
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| 16:02.57 | superrorc | sgflt: u may use fpm to build packages |
| 16:03.16 | superrorc | sgflt: https://github.com/jordansissel/fpm |
| 16:03.17 | sgflt | is that recommended for debian? i understand it won't give me source packages? |
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| 16:11.44 | sgflt | hmm, should i ask in a debian dev channel? |
| 16:11.52 | superrorc | no |
| 16:11.58 | superrorc | its right place |
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| 16:13.02 | superrorc | check this https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html and https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
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| 16:13.48 | sgflt | i've checked out both of them |
| 16:13.54 | superrorc | and? |
| 16:14.16 | sgflt | it seems to me there's a lot of assumptions that makes about my package |
| 16:14.32 | sgflt | like, i have a tarfile with the source that has a specific name that extracts to a specific dir |
| 16:14.46 | sgflt | that i'm using make to build and automake to configure |
| 16:15.01 | sgflt | that make install calls specific stuff |
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| 16:15.28 | sgflt | the hard part is writing the debian/rules file and the example usually consts of two lines %: dh $@ |
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| 16:17.27 | sgflt | it seems that all the packaging stuff is still kept together by random shell scripts, perl and duct tape for some reason. =/ |
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| 16:17.44 | arahael | why are statically linked apps not used in linux but are on windows? |
| 16:17.55 | superrorc | fpm is designed to build deb easly |
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| 16:18.18 | sgflt | superrorc, and source packages? |
| 16:18.36 | arahael | sgflt: take advantage of that. Nothing wrog with shell scripts. At a pinch just make them call your preferred, weird, build system instead. |
| 16:18.42 | superrorc | sgflt: from source to deb |
| 16:19.17 | sgflt | arahael, regarding shared libs: if you compile everything from source, it's fairly easy to compile/link against the correct versions. i imagine on windows you don't have that luxury |
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| 16:19.42 | sgflt | arahael, closed source apps on linux, in my experience, often ship statically linked stuff, especially if they're multi-distro |
| 16:19.54 | sgflt | superrorc, that won't work on launchpad, will it? |
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| 16:20.26 | sgflt | arahael, have you ever built a debian package that used cmake? |
| 16:20.29 | superrorc | sgflt: ubuntu's packages hosted on them.. |
| 16:20.47 | arahael | sgflt: they aren't fully static though. Glibc for instance does not support static linking. |
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| 16:21.29 | arahael | sgflt: as for cmake, I don't see why cmake would be a problem. |
| 16:21.32 | sgflt | arahael, i don't think there's much of a difference between shipping a statically linked lib or just including a specific lib version just for your program, from a pragmatic point of view |
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| 16:22.09 | sgflt | arahael, i see. have about non-cmake packages? |
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| 16:22.47 | arahael | sgflt: the pragmatic difference is that you can have a single-file executable that only has a kernel depemdency. |
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| 16:24.34 | arahael | sgflt: if I was using cmake, I would probably either make aa dummy ./configure script that does nothing, and a makefile that calls cmake. or find an sdeb that uses cmake - I am sure that there are heaps. |
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| 16:25.07 | sgflt | arahael, alright, thanks |
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| 16:25.49 | arahael | sgflt: I assume that most kde apps use cmake. |
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| 16:27.08 | phre4k | my boss just reprimanded me because the Debian screensavers are too flashy and "intense and retro" and "unsuited for a professional environment" |
| 16:27.21 | phre4k | I have to "uninstall the games immediately!" |
| 16:27.33 | superrorc | lol |
| 16:28.00 | jelly | "only blank and marquee are allowed" |
| 16:28.40 | jelly | bouncing cows are absolutely verbotten |
| 16:28.44 | superrorc | have hentay wallpaper on ,y workstation in office ) |
| 16:29.01 | arahael | The standard windows screensavers are very fashy hese days. |
| 16:29.03 | phre4k | after he left I hurried to my Arch laptop and closed Steam which was downloading Civ: Beyond Earth :D |
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| 16:30.16 | phre4k | mind that that same boss once popped up in our AV dashboard because he had a russian porn virus. I'm glad this I work for other companies, too |
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| 16:30.33 | arahael | phre4k: the PHB probably just wants to be able to tel;, at a glance, that you are 'working', where 'working' in this case seems to be 'not playing games' |
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| 16:30.51 | superrorc | troubles with ipsec after upgrade from 7.6 to 7.7 http://paste.debian.net/plain/137434 |
| 16:31.02 | superrorc | pls any ideas |
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| 16:31.39 | phre4k | arahael: I think he doesn't grasp the concept of the different machines under and at my desk(s). |
| 16:32.49 | arahael | phre4k: it's possible. My dad used to get annoyed at me for using alt-tab. Switchig applications like that meant that I was probably trying to hide something. |
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| 16:33.31 | arahael | phre4k: but is it their job to understand? No, their job is to manage. Unfortunately, they choose to micromanage. |
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| 16:34.04 | Szymon | Hello, Im installed ubuntu on virtual box, the installation was successful but i have problem with run; http://scr.hu/0oin/pgtto see only wallpaper |
| 16:34.08 | Szymon | Hello, Im installed ubuntu on virtual box, the installation was successful but i have problem with run; http://scr.hu/0oin/pgtto see only wallpaper |
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| 16:34.31 | SirLagz | arahael: what you said about alt-tab reminded me of this http://www.bash.org/?454203 |
| 16:34.47 | phre4k | arahael: yeah, micromanagement is exactly my problem. Because "my nephew says he can install Windows in 20 minutes, why can't you set up the new AD server in less than 3 days?" |
| 16:34.49 | SirLagz | Szymon: better to ask in #ubuntu |
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| 16:35.04 | Szymon | i asked on ubuntu but nothing |
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| 16:35.28 | phre4k | Szymon: I bet Unity just chose not to show up or take 2 hours to start. |
| 16:35.37 | arahael | Does ubuntu and debian even use the same init systems yet? |
| 16:35.48 | phre4k | Szymon: since Unity isn't available for Debian I believe we can't help you here. |
| 16:35.54 | phre4k | (afair) |
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| 16:36.55 | arahael | SirLagz: haha, that's an old one. :) |
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| 16:39.30 | arahael | phre4k: it's resorts like that that tempt me to say: "how long does it take for your nephew to setup ad?" |
| 16:39.59 | sandman13 | SirLagz: JavaScrip huh xD |
| 16:40.02 | arahael | *retorts. Damn touch screen keyboards. |
| 16:40.14 | SirLagz | sandman13: eh ? |
| 16:40.42 | arahael | SirLagz: for the record, I never did... javascript... while I was living there :) |
| 16:40.52 | SirLagz | oh haha |
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| 16:45.04 | py0 | I wish this was updated https://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 |
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| 16:48.41 | psquiddy | He folks. Long time since I've visited, but I recall that here be the finest minds in computing... anyone familiar with Zenoss, and ZenDMD in particular, on a Debian system? |
| 16:49.25 | SirLagz | psquiddy: guess what I'm playing with *right now* lol |
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| 16:49.42 | psquiddy | Nethack? :) |
| 16:49.42 | SirLagz | though I've only just started playing with zenoss |
| 16:50.23 | psquiddy | Ah, cool. Perhaps I can help you, then. I've been playing a while -- stuck on some query stuff, but always happy to try help! |
| 16:51.01 | SirLagz | i use CA spectrum at work, but the contract with CA is going to be expiring soon so I'm trying out a whole bunch of other toolsets to see what I like |
| 16:51.04 | SirLagz | also |
| 16:51.16 | SirLagz | traceroute -m 100 216.81.59.173 |
| 16:51.17 | SirLagz | wow. |
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| 16:52.12 | psquiddy | Okay. I've found Zenoss to be pretty good, but the reporting can be a PITA. I'm also playing with Cacti a bit -- extensible, and nice graphing capabilities but no inventory-type interfaces |
| 16:52.31 | SirLagz | are you using the full Zenoss ? I'm just playing around with Zenoss Core at the moment |
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| 16:53.10 | ghormoon | Any ideas what may be wrong when on startx i get no screens found (or screens foud but no usable) when running as nonroot but got it ok as root? |
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| 16:53.38 | SirLagz | ghormoon: paste the contents of /var/log/xorg.0.log when you try and start it as a normal user |
| 16:53.42 | SirLagz | Xorg ? xorg ? i forget |
| 16:53.53 | SirLagz | Xorg.0.log |
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| 16:56.09 | psquiddy | SirLagz: yes, just Core. Free is good. :) |
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| 16:56.17 | SirLagz | psquiddy: cool |
| 16:56.31 | SirLagz | psquiddy: first question then...can I schedule autodiscoverys ? |
| 16:56.31 | ghormoon | Scped it to ghormoon.ghorland.net/x.log (easier than pasting in links :)) |
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| 16:57.29 | someHuman | Is the owncloud in Synaptic as legit as the one here: https://software.opensuse.org/download/package?project=isv:ownCloud:desktop&package=owncloud-client |
| 16:57.43 | psquiddy | SirLagz: Yes and no. From what I've seen, you can schedule a zendmd job to run. I believe there is a ZenPack for it, as well, but since I scripted my entire discovery before finding it.... |
| 16:58.05 | SirLagz | psquiddy: hmm ok |
| 16:58.16 | SirLagz | pity Zenoss is so bulky. 3GB of ram is too much for my homelab lol |
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| 16:59.30 | psquiddy | SirLagz: I had that issue, too. but once we moved it to production on heavier hardware it does work fairly nicely. |
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| 17:00.10 | SirLagz | psquiddy: might have to try it on one of my very noisy servers sometime then lol |
| 17:00.35 | psquiddy | Just realized the time here -- I have to run off to a meeting, but I'll drop back and visit again sometime soon! |
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| 17:01.50 | someHuman | Hello! I'm trying to get owncloud for my Debian. I'm simply just copy-pasting the code for owncloud to be able to be installed but it shows me this error in terminal: http://codepad.org/5K9xvfBQ |
| 17:01.56 | someHuman | What should I do? |
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| 17:02.43 | SirLagz | someHuman: why not use the owncloud that's already in the Debian repos ? |
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| 17:04.21 | rgr|android | is there something I can do to get Firefox or chrome to correctly goto a web portal for WiFi Hotspot login? wicd has connected but browsers don't navigate to the login portal. |
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| 17:04.28 | SirLagz | ghormoon: are you using the ATI Catalyst drivers ? |
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| 17:05.01 | ghormoon | Hope so :) Ive got them installed |
| 17:05.08 | SirLagz | ghormoon: hm ok |
| 17:05.18 | rgr|android | xhost |
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| 17:05.28 | SirLagz | ghormoon: looks like a permissions issue - xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted) |
| 17:05.33 | SirLagz | ghormoon: I'd start googling that |
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| 17:15.24 | petn-randall | rgr|android: AFAIK most hotspot portals redirect you HTTP traffic to their portal, until you log in. If you have something like the plugin "https everywhere", this will fail. |
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| 17:17.40 | someHuman | Hi! |
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| 17:18.48 | someHuman | Is the owncloud in Synaptic the same as with this one: https://software.opensuse.org/download/package?project=isv:ownCloud:desktop&package=owncloud-client |
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| 17:19.30 | SirLagz | someHuman: it might be a few versions behind |
| 17:19.32 | someHuman | I get this error when I try to do the first step: http://codepad.org/5K9xvfBQ |
| 17:19.35 | someHuman | Ah |
| 17:19.47 | someHuman | Then I'm better off getting it from the site. |
| 17:20.45 | SirLagz | someHuman: since you're running into issues, I'd recommend getting the one via synaptic. but it's up to you. |
| 17:20.47 | Brigo | someHuman, what is the problem with debian owncloud? |
| 17:21.09 | someHuman | Brigo: I feel comfortable when my software is up to date. |
| 17:21.45 | someHuman | Brigo: SirLagz said the one in Synaptic might be few versions behind. |
| 17:22.07 | ghormoon | is it corrct to have /usr/bin/Xorg suid? I've found that on the net it worked, but I don't know if it's ok or not (security reasons, i.e. if it's meant to be suid) |
| 17:22.08 | SirLagz | someHuman: so it's just an arbitrary decision. Unless there's a feature you absolutely need in the newest version, I'd recommend sticking with whatever is in the repos to avoid any dependency issues you might end up with |
| 17:22.11 | Brigo | someHuman, what version is the new one? |
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| 17:22.47 | Brigo | and there is a lot of dependencies issues, trust me :) |
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| 17:22.57 | someHuman | Hmm |
| 17:23.01 | superrorc | 1.5k people here and no one have openswan? |
| 17:23.28 | DammitJim | I need to look into that |
| 17:23.29 | DammitJim | what is it? |
| 17:23.33 | Walex | superrorc: most people are are rather passive lurkers |
| 17:23.57 | someHuman | Walex: Seems like it |
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| 17:24.06 | Walex | superrorc: also 'openswan' is basically no longer maintained and no longer part of Debian. Soon. |
| 17:24.12 | ghormoon | or just idle :) I'm here 24/7 too and chat like 2h/week :) |
| 17:24.15 | ghormoon | or less |
| 17:24.50 | superrorc | Walex: i dont want to switching on ubuntu, but debian is not good |
| 17:25.12 | Walex | superrorc: if you want IPsec currently look at strongSwan, there is a very good recent package in 'wheezy-backports' with strongSwan 5.2.1 which is latest and greatest. |
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| 17:25.41 | superrorc | Walex: i must remove openswan befor? |
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| 17:25.51 | someHuman | I already get broken packages when I'm just trying to install owncloud via Synaptic. |
| 17:25.59 | Walex | superrorc: Ubuntu LTS and Debian are basically equivalent, Debian just doesn't do 6-monthly "rolling" releases. |
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| 17:26.33 | superrorc | Walex: no no) when i upgrade ubuntu - all works |
| 17:26.45 | superrorc | Walex: but on debian it doesnt |
| 17:26.51 | Walex | superrorc: remove openswan, add the 'wheezy-backports' repos to the APT sources if not already, 'apt-get -t wheezy-backports strongswan-5.2.1' or equivalent |
| 17:27.01 | Walex | superrorc: that's very unlikely |
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| 17:27.29 | Walex | superrorc: Debian packages are carefully designed and tested for smooth upgrade transitions, and Ubuntu benefits from that too. |
| 17:27.54 | superrorc | Walex: yep yep) to solve the problem - just reintal\change package. like reintall windows ;) |
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| 17:28.12 | superrorc | reinstall* |
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| 17:28.34 | Walex | superrorc: nah, you are doing it wrong then. I have both Ubuntu LTS and Debian systems for different reasons and they behave much the same to me. |
| 17:28.43 | pingfloyd | Windows isn't a package |
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| 17:29.02 | everbill | dpkg backup packages |
| 17:29.03 | dpkg | everbill: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 17:29.09 | superrorc | pingfloyd: i mean than if u problem in win - just reintall it ;) |
| 17:29.17 | everbill | dpkg backup |
| 17:29.17 | dpkg | A backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t in the least. Otherwise eons of built-up data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not; either by HD malfunction, intentional evil by crackers, mischievous glak elves invading your system, or large magnets getting out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (optionally with bzip2 at lowest compression). See <things to backup>. |
| 17:29.34 | pingfloyd | There is quite a difference between reinstalling a package and reinstalling a whole os |
| 17:30.13 | Walex | "optionally with bzip2 at lowest compression" can be replaced with "optionally with lzop" |
| 17:30.22 | SirLagz | someHuman: if you've already got broken packages, then you should probably fix that first before installing anything else |
| 17:30.23 | iateadonut | is there a way to use root to copy an ssh id to a user into his authorized keys without having to manually add .ssh/authorized keys and change the permissions, etc? |
| 17:30.26 | Walex | or "optionally with pbzip2" |
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| 17:30.52 | Walex | iateadonut: what does that mean? |
| 17:30.53 | everbill | !tell everbill about reinstall |
| 17:31.07 | superrorc | Trouble after upgrade from 7.6 to 7.7 http://paste.debian.net/plain/137434 |
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| 17:32.05 | iateadonut | ssh-copy-id installs a key onto a user. i'm wondering how to do this from root to a user on the same server. |
| 17:32.54 | superrorc | Walex: and today i 've checked debian developers list. and there is a naintainer of openswan |
| 17:33.35 | Walex | superrorc: there is a maintainer of 'openswan', but 7/'wheezy' is the last release it will appear in. |
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| 17:34.25 | superrorc | Walex: 7.0? |
| 17:34.40 | someHuman | Ugh what the heck? http://codepad.org/TQiN3Zvs |
| 17:35.05 | superrorc | Walex: successfull intaled openswan on 7.6 |
| 17:36.09 | Walex | superrorc: your pastes don't show any issue other than some misconfiguration in other packages. It could be that you fixed something "online" without changing the config files, and then rebooted... |
| 17:36.44 | SirLagz | someHuman: did you try and install that from that opensuse repo or from the Debian repos ? |
| 17:36.48 | rgr|android | Pete : no such plugins |
| 17:37.22 | Walex | someHuman: it looks like you are mixing packages in some unholy way, as "SirLagz" suspects too |
| 17:38.10 | superrorc | Walex: thats is a trick - no one errors on logs |
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| 17:38.50 | _spm_draget | Does it make sense to set 'php_admin_value open_basedir <mypath>' in vhosts to secure php? |
| 17:38.54 | someHuman | Hmm |
| 17:39.06 | _spm_draget | And if yes, why have I not seen it in any example configs I came across so far? |
| 17:39.13 | superrorc | Walex: i dont fixed and changed anything. just execut aptitute update... |
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| 17:39.29 | someHuman | I have repos that aren't initially there such as the repo for me to use the non-free driver for wifi and TOX repo. |
| 17:39.32 | superrorc | Walex: and apt-get dist-update |
| 17:39.37 | superrorc | Walex: than reboot |
| 17:39.45 | superrorc | Walex: and have trouble |
| 17:39.55 | someHuman | That's the only thing I can think of that might be screwing things up. |
| 17:39.55 | SirLagz | someHuman: paste the contents of your sources.list and any other files under sources.list.d |
| 17:40.01 | someHuman | Ok |
| 17:40.26 | bookmark | how do i disable auto screen locking in gnome? |
| 17:40.39 | someHuman | SirLagz: http://codepad.org/qrKVppFk |
| 17:41.03 | someHuman | There aren't any files under sources.list.d |
| 17:41.13 | Walex | superrorc: what could have also happened that your configs relied on some bugs in some package like PPP and then the bug was fixed. |
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| 17:41.39 | bookmark | nevermind i found it |
| 17:41.42 | SirLagz | someHuman: did you ever add the repo for that opensuse version of owncloud and try and install it ? |
| 17:42.16 | superrorc | Walex: pluto dont depend on ppp |
| 17:42.17 | someHuman | I copy-pasted the first line as a whole. |
| 17:42.18 | Walex | superrorc: anyhow strongSwan has the delightful feature that it can use SSH RSA keys... |
| 17:42.36 | someHuman | Ah |
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| 17:43.14 | someHuman | It requires me to do it with root. |
| 17:43.17 | Walex | superrorc: but your networking may well do so. And the IKE daemon tries to connect to partners via whatever networking it finds, so perhaps it got stuck trying to setup a connection to one of them. |
| 17:43.21 | someHuman | I don't have a root password though. |
| 17:43.25 | superrorc | Walex: should i reconfigured ppp and xl2tpd? or just replace openswan with strong swan? |
| 17:43.27 | someHuman | I did not set it up. |
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| 17:43.45 | SirLagz | someHuman: right, ok then. |
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| 17:44.23 | someHuman | Also, I'd like to change my DE to KDE. |
| 17:44.41 | someHuman | Will I run into problems such as redundant packages and icons? |
| 17:44.47 | someHuman | I've experienced that before. |
| 17:44.54 | someHuman | It's freaking annoying. |
| 17:45.09 | someHuman | I did that in Trisquel 6. |
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| 17:45.16 | someHuman | 6.0.1* |
| 17:45.53 | SirLagz | someHuman: what command did you use to try and install owncloud ? |
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| 17:46.24 | someHuman | sudo apt-get install |
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| 17:47.18 | SirLagz | someHuman: right. |
| 17:47.34 | SirLagz | someHuman: have you pinned packages at all ? |
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| 17:48.50 | someHuman | pinned? |
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| 17:50.23 | SirLagz | someHuman: or held packages. Anything you've deliberately stopped from upgrading/installing ? |
| 17:54.12 | SirLagz | someHuman: what's the output of `dpkg --get-selections | grep hold` |
| 17:54.37 | Walex | I would be asking him to 'apt-cache policy' some of those packages... |
| 17:54.46 | SirLagz | that too |
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| 18:09.28 | xk05 | ponder: as this cyber-struggle starts coming up to the surface, is it going to be wiser to update more often, less often, or what? |
| 18:09.46 | SirLagz | xk05: just stay off the grid. |
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| 18:10.25 | xk05 | SirLagz, impractical |
| 18:10.35 | SirLagz | xk05: </s> |
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| 18:14.05 | bambi | ciao |
| 18:14.09 | bambi | !list |
| 18:14.09 | dpkg | bambi: Ã possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.7.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 18:15.27 | xk05 | i suppose the easy way is just run stable releases of everything, but at this point, the regressions will create more problems than they solve |
| 18:15.55 | maxd | Who loves systemd, hands up please |
| 18:17.23 | petn-randall | maxd: No surveys please, everyone hates them. |
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| 18:18.24 | petn-randall | maxd: Do you really expect all ~1600 people in this channel to respond? If you have a proper question, though, feel free to ask. |
| 18:18.29 | centrx | Who like short shorts |
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| 18:18.38 | xk05 | i suppose the question might be better asked, 'will debian succumb to the temptation of see-sawing under and over reactions to news, speculation and mass movement?' and, sigh, i suspect the answer is going to be 'wait and see' |
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| 18:19.05 | dondelelcaro | xk05: what exactly are you asking about? |
| 18:20.05 | xk05 | dondelelcaro, nothing important, im giving myself a worry moment, time to quit it |
| 18:20.08 | maxd | petn-randall: hi randall |
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| 18:24.31 | someHuman | Have you guys seen this? https://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-anonymous-and-impossible-to-shut-down-141218/ |
| 18:24.45 | someHuman | I think it should be included in main repos. |
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| 18:25.28 | sobkas | hi, does anyone know how to stop udev from creating device node? |
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| 18:26.24 | centrx | someHuman, It doesn't seem to have a license |
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| 18:31.49 | hassoon | why not KDE? |
| 18:31.57 | bsdbeard | because KDE is not a twm |
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| 18:32.10 | Miesco | I am trying to add my music library to mpd. I did ln -s /home/shawn/Dropbox/Music /var/lib/mpd/music/ but there is no music listed with mpc listall. I tried making a real directory /var/lib/mpd/music/shawn/ and adding a song from 'Music' to it and it listed with mpc listall. I checked all the permissions and they are 'r' for world. What steps could I take to further troubleshoot this problem? |
| 18:32.20 | petn-randall | !tell cerbero -about ask |
| 18:32.31 | DammitJim | when I disconnect my laptop from external monitors, my machine locks up and I have to go to tty1 |
| 18:32.40 | DammitJim | what should I look for to determine the problem? |
| 18:32.40 | Miesco | The problem is the symbolic link |
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| 18:32.50 | bsdbeard | DammitJim, are you sure it locks up? |
| 18:32.53 | petn-randall | sobkas: Just stop the daemon. But what are you trying to achieve? |
| 18:33.14 | DammitJim | it locks up in terms of the window manager |
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| 18:33.32 | DammitJim | I can move the mouse but keyboard doesn't respond to shortcuts nor mouse clicks |
| 18:33.32 | bsdbeard | DammitJim, I have similair problems but they are fixed if I run xrandr after detaching the external monitor |
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| 18:33.52 | DammitJim | xrandr from the console? |
| 18:34.13 | bsdbeard | Yes, I made a script one-screen, that I run when I detach the external monitor |
| 18:34.26 | DammitJim | dammit jim... this sucks |
| 18:34.27 | bsdbeard | Seems to fix the problems |
| 18:34.30 | DammitJim | that's not the way it should work |
| 18:34.45 | DammitJim | I wonder if I need to be looking for a signal in a log or something... I don't know |
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| 18:46.56 | otyugh | hey. I've some knowledge missing ; I have an addition memory card I want to add to my system. I'm mounting it on my system, and I can see what's in. Problem is, the owner of the mountpoint is root:root ; and I can't change that ! |
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| 18:50.01 | otyugh | 1) plug the storage 2) use blkid to identify what /dev/sdX it is 3) mount 4) can't change the permission on the folder, locked on root:root (rwx,r_x,__x) |
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| 18:52.17 | Miesco | Anyone use symlinks with mpd? |
| 18:53.16 | someHuman | centrx: I don't know about that. |
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| 18:56.10 | yeehi | Is there an RSS feed for the images by which we may automatically download and seed new torrents? What is its URL? |
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| 18:57.24 | bsdbeard | yeehi, wrong channel? |
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| 19:00.00 | sorta | wheezy doesn't have an updated git package yet? |
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| 19:03.16 | centrx | sorta, wheezy only updates packages for security and other critical issues |
| 19:03.21 | centrx | sorta, wheezy-backports has git 1.9.1 |
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| 19:05.30 | Miesco | Through further troubleshooting I realized that the problem with 'mpc listall' showing nothing is that I have a symlink going to ~/Dropbox/Music. mpd will accept a symlink to a folder not in dropbox... Why do you think this is? |
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| 19:06.00 | Miesco | Isn't ~/Dropbox just a regular directory? |
| 19:07.27 | RayzrShrp | if i'm only running debian in a command line mode without any de or wm installed would upgrading to jessie really gain me anything? |
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| 19:07.40 | twinkie | i dont usr dropbox |
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| 19:07.51 | RayzrShrp | i mean it gets me systemd but im not sure if thats a good thing or not |
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| 19:08.27 | Miesco | Maybe I can symlink to a symlink outside of Dropbox/ into a directory in Dropbox |
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| 19:12.07 | _spm_draget | Can anyone point me to a tutorial explaing how to propperly harden PHP? Like 'open_basedir'⦠if it should be used, and how etc. |
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| 19:13.01 | centrx | _spm_draget, Try ##php |
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| 19:14.00 | someHuman | What RSS software comes with Debian by default? |
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| 19:15.21 | Miesco | Man, mpd doesn't want to play music in Dropbox... |
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| 19:16.30 | centrx | someHuman, probably several, also you can do it through the browser |
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| 19:16.42 | centrx | plugins/extensions |
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| 19:17.36 | centrx | someHuman, This page lists some, https://wiki.debian.org/RSS |
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| 19:17.55 | centrx | someHuman, but it's a wiki page that looks pretty unmaintained/unupdated |
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| 19:19.15 | Miesco | Okay I fixed it. I guess mpc needs permissions to ~/Dropbox, not just ~/Dropbox/Music |
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| 19:19.40 | RayzrShrp | anybody here running debian on linode? |
| 19:20.18 | RayzrShrp | im wondering how i would go about going from wheezy to jessie. Linode has their own mirrors setup in apt sources so not sure if i can just change them or if that will break stuff |
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| 19:20.52 | Lirion | Miesco I do. |
| 19:21.07 | dondelelcaro | RayzrShrp: you can just change them. |
| 19:21.10 | Miesco | Iridos: Too late, I fixed it myself. |
| 19:21.25 | dondelelcaro | RayzrShrp: and you don't have to use linode's mirrors if you don't want to. |
| 19:21.33 | someHuman | Thanks! |
| 19:22.14 | RayzrShrp | dondelelcaro: i wonder if using their mirrors doesnt count against my bandwidth |
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| 19:25.56 | twinkie | is 7 |
| 19:26.03 | twinkie | oops |
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| 19:26.12 | twinkie | is 7 |
| 19:26.23 | twinkie | tremmers |
| 19:26.52 | twinkie | is 7.7 jessie ? |
| 19:27.14 | yesika | hola |
| 19:28.09 | centrx | twinkie, jessie will be 8.x |
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| 19:28.13 | yesika | alguien quiere hablar con migo |
| 19:28.21 | centrx | !es |
| 19:28.21 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
| 19:28.32 | twinkie | ah |
| 19:28.33 | teraflops | yesika: si es relativo a debian /join #debian-es |
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| 19:28.50 | yeehi_ | bsdbeard, some torrent clients support RSS checking of torrents on a webpage and automatically download new torrents. Does Debian have this RSS facility? |
| 19:28.56 | twinkie | wheezy then names then |
| 19:29.08 | teraflops | yeehi_: i dont think so |
| 19:29.19 | centrx | wheezy is 7.x |
| 19:29.34 | twinkie | confuse me m.s. |
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| 19:29.49 | centrx | twinkie, The names come from characters in the movie Toy Story |
| 19:30.13 | twinkie | ah |
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| 19:32.20 | yeehi_ | teraflops, if you are familiar with the process, could you please put in a feature request for RSS of torrents? I don't think it would be hard to implement. |
| 19:32.29 | petn-randall | RayzrShrp: Except for loosing security support, you'll get updated packages and a pre-release version of Debian. Is the machine you want to upgrade facing the internet? |
| 19:32.52 | teraflops | yeehi_: lol Im not going to do that |
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| 19:34.03 | twinkie | im happy whith wheezzy |
| 19:34.08 | twinkie | lol |
| 19:34.43 | twinkie | just asking |
| 19:35.17 | twinkie | i have ms and foget alot |
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| 19:41.39 | benzrf | quick q |
| 19:42.02 | benzrf | is there any kind of system or program for local .deb installation |
| 19:42.27 | benzrf | like taking .deb files that dont require updating specific systemwide stuff and installing them into a tree in a home dir |
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| 19:43.16 | benzrf | im looking into putting debian (or a fork/derivative or some sort) on the computers at my school and was wondering if there was a way to let users install software without needing to get a teacher to sudo for them |
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| 19:46.02 | Antares_ | ТаÑÑÑÑ! Ð¢Ñ Ð³Ð´Ðµ пизда? ÐÑлезай |
| 19:46.40 | jhutchins | yeehi_: It would depend on which client you used. Some have that feature, some don't. You can use any linux torrent client you want on debian. |
| 19:47.12 | tm512 | benzrf: use visudo, edit the sudoers file, there should be some instructions on how to allow a user to use sudo on a command without needing a password |
| 19:47.14 | Lirion | if yeehi_ just aims at a torrent client with RSS feature, there's at least deluge and qbitorrent. |
| 19:47.28 | tm512 | though, *bad* idea if you ask me |
| 19:47.50 | Lirion | benzrf if you really want users to be able to permanently install software at their wishes, try a look at /etc/sudoers.d or pakacgekit |
| 19:47.50 | benzrf | tm512: that's not what i'm asking for -_- |
| 19:47.59 | benzrf | 02:42 < benzrf> is there any kind of system or program for local .deb installation |
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| 19:48.01 | Lirion | packagekit* |
| 19:48.02 | benzrf | 02:42 < benzrf> like taking .deb files that dont require updating specific systemwide stuff and installing them into a tree in a home dir |
| 19:48.10 | yeehi_ | Thanks, Lirion. The torrent client is not the issue at this end. What is needed is an RSS feed on the Debian images page |
| 19:48.35 | jhutchins | benzrf: There are a couple of ways to do that. |
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| 19:48.55 | tm512 | lol ./configure --prefix=blah && make && make install |
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| 19:49.29 | jhutchins | benzrf: Both dpkg and yum allow you to specify an alternative system path to install software. |
| 19:49.33 | Lirion | tm512 compiling yourself is different from installing packages. and not the best approach with school children. |
| 19:49.42 | benzrf | Lirion: high school but yes |
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| 19:49.51 | benzrf | jhutchins: hmm |
| 19:49.53 | Lirion | hehe yes, same issue there :) |
| 19:49.55 | benzrf | jhutchins: is that at all practical? |
| 19:50.01 | jhutchins | benzrf: The original unix packaging scheme did allow users to build their own software tree, and you can still do that by compiling the packages yourself. |
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| 19:50.30 | benzrf | jhutchins: yes but it will be enough trouble to get my classmates sold on gnu/linux even without forcing them to learn to use the cli |
| 19:50.37 | jhutchins | benzrf: It certainly requires additional work. It's assumed that the user will know how to compile and install the software in his tree himself. |
| 19:50.43 | benzrf | jhutchins: :\ |
| 19:51.15 | jhutchins | benzrf: Better alternatives are probably dual-boot, live systems, and VMs. |
| 19:51.29 | tm512 | if you need people to install their own software the easiest way is to give them sudo access |
| 19:51.42 | benzrf | tm512: i don't /need/ it but i feel like it'd be a nice thing to be able to have |
| 19:52.01 | jhutchins | benzrf: Linux User Groups used to pass out free Live CDs to get people interested. (Worked a little better than AOL CDs.) |
| 19:52.14 | benzrf | maybe i should get us on nixos instead ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
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| 19:52.57 | tm512 | alternatively you chroot |
| 19:53.05 | tm512 | give them full root access in that chroot |
| 19:53.12 | tm512 | if they break something it won't touch the main system |
| 19:53.37 | tm512 | you can remount filesystems from outside inside of the chroot |
| 19:53.57 | benzrf | mhm |
| 19:54.01 | benzrf | per-user chroot? |
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| 19:54.06 | benzrf | is that at all practical? |
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| 19:55.19 | someHuman | How do I change my DE to KDE? |
| 19:55.23 | Lirion | well you could also, whatever approach you try, assemble an image you can easily reinstall the system with. "break the system at your will, but be aware that if you do, I can only nuke it back to default". maybe you can even try puppets. |
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| 19:55.42 | someHuman | Or how do I add KDE to my list of sessions? You know, like in log in? |
| 19:55.46 | benzrf | Lirion: it's really more of a matter of malicious intent |
| 19:56.01 | benzrf | Lirion: we recently had an incident with keyloggers and all the computers are getting reimaged anyway |
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| 19:56.19 | tm512 | benzrf: I think it's practical enough. it is basically giving them their own isolated environment |
| 19:56.24 | benzrf | Lirion: i think the IT guy is looking into getting deep freeze on them so gnu/linux with full disk encryption and ephemeral windows VMs is a welcome alternative |
| 19:56.25 | tm512 | could chroot on login |
| 19:56.32 | tm512 | but I have to head out |
| 19:56.33 | benzrf | tm512: couldnt problems arise? |
| 19:56.33 | tm512 | good luck |
| 19:56.36 | benzrf | ok :| |
| 19:57.30 | Lirion | well you can limit maliciousness to only certain apt(itutde) commands, but if they are allowed to install (and even configure?) things, this could still lead to rather unfunny results. |
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| 19:58.28 | benzrf | right |
| 19:58.47 | benzrf | hence the quandary |
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| 20:01.49 | someHuman | Is installing the package kde-plasma-desktop a way to add KDE to my list of DE's? Like will it be added to one of my sessions in log in? |
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| 20:04.10 | twinkie | i think its just kde |
| 20:04.36 | twinkie | apt will get rest |
| 20:05.03 | twinkie | kde4 |
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| 20:06.33 | Lirion | anyhow... enabling them to execute specific commands via sudo is an approach, packagekit is an approach, both basically fit in that "user can install .deb packages" thought. this or have them deployed on-demand, which would require admin intervention :) |
| 20:06.48 | benzrf | indeed |
| 20:06.52 | benzrf | what does packagekit do? |
| 20:07.04 | Lirion | http://www.freedesktop.org/software/PackageKit/pk-intro.html |
| 20:07.08 | benzrf | man |
| 20:07.11 | benzrf | this is why we need nix |
| 20:07.14 | Lirion | I stumbled over "Allowing unprivileged users to install software in a corporate build" |
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| 20:07.26 | Lirion | but I don't have specific experience myself :/ |
| 20:07.43 | Lirion | there are debian packagekit packages, however. |
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| 20:09.59 | benzrf | huh |
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| 20:10.55 | RayzrShrp | petn-randall: yes its facing the internet |
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| 20:13.11 | RayzrShrp | petn-randall: does jessie not have security updates at this time? |
| 20:13.37 | itt788 | what's the binary file /etc/X11/X in debian wheezy? |
| 20:14.03 | itt788 | also is there an equivalent program to 'tree'? |
| 20:14.19 | itt788 | installed by default in wheezy? |
| 20:14.23 | greycat | itt788: /etc/X11/X is just a symlink for me |
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| 20:14.34 | Lirion | /etc/X11/X -> /usr/bin/Xorg |
| 20:14.35 | Lirion | man Xorg |
| 20:14.52 | itt788 | alright |
| 20:15.09 | Lirion | there is a package called tree |
| 20:15.10 | atrapado | itt788, yes, look at the 'tree' package. |
| 20:15.31 | greycat | tree is priority optional, so it's not installed by default |
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| 20:16.22 | itt788 | is there any command to get optional programs list? |
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| 20:16.38 | greycat | apt-cache search ...something... |
| 20:16.49 | greycat | there are thousands, so you want to filter it down |
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| 20:17.29 | benzrf | question: how much damage can package installation actually do |
| 20:17.58 | itt788 | yeah /etc/X11/X is a symlink, but I still do not understand why there's a symlink to a binary in /etc |
| 20:17.58 | greycat | There is no limit. A package has a post-install script that is executed as root. It can do anything. |
| 20:18.17 | benzrf | greycat: er, i meant apt-get install |
| 20:18.18 | benzrf | sorry |
| 20:18.24 | greycat | That's also what I mean. |
| 20:18.36 | greycat | A broken or malicious package can do *anything*. |
| 20:18.56 | benzrf | greycat: i'm talking about malicious intent from the user of apt-get install, though |
| 20:19.39 | greycat | If they're allowed to specify a repository then they have no restrictions on what damage they can do. |
| 20:19.50 | benzrf | can you do that from apt-get? |
| 20:20.06 | Lirion | deny them access to repository specifications and don't allow them to install .deb packages, and the risk shrinks significally. |
| 20:20.16 | benzrf | ok |
| 20:20.23 | Lirion | you can install packages however, which alter those files... |
| 20:20.39 | benzrf | hmmmm |
| 20:20.57 | Lirion | e.g. puppetlabs use that (non-maliciously, but still) |
| 20:21.00 | Lirion | https://apt.puppetlabs.com/ |
| 20:21.13 | Lirion | these debs just install a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 20:21.22 | Lirion | and bam, there you go, additional packages sources. |
| 20:21.42 | benzrf | is there a way to safely and nonhackishly enable package installation from the debian (or ubuntu, etc) repos but not arbitrary package capabilies? |
| 20:21.55 | benzrf | and if so, do you think that's a reasonable thing to do in my scenario? |
| 20:22.05 | greycat | apt-get(8) says there is a "configuration item" Dir::Etc::SourceList which might be able to override sources.list |
| 20:22.13 | erg0dic | I recently dist-upgraded from wheezy to sid and now I have this locale issue every time I start a shell |
| 20:22.16 | erg0dic | bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US.UTF-8) |
| 20:22.39 | erg0dic | can anyone help me debug this? |
| 20:23.08 | greycat | erg0dic: I'd start with dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:23.32 | erg0dic | I have tried that, but I will try again |
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| 20:23.46 | erg0dic | I select en_US.UTF-8 for installation and as system default |
| 20:24.29 | greycat | Also make sure locales is actually *installed* (all the way, not half-configured or something) and that its version matches that of libc6 |
| 20:26.26 | ctmjr | erg0dic: #debian-next on the oftc network might be of some help, and sid is called unstable for a reason |
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| 20:27.05 | Quatroking | how can i start debian without it initializing network? |
| 20:27.15 | Quatroking | I accidentally the network config file and now it won't boot |
| 20:27.38 | Quatroking | it hangs on initializing network interfaces |
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| 20:27.49 | wytrzeszcz | hej |
| 20:27.58 | Quatroking | i'd use a live cd but the machine doesn't have an optical drive, it doesn't boot from usb either |
| 20:28.14 | greycat | Quatroking: try booting in "rescue mode" aka single user mode |
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| 20:28.21 | greycat | Should be selectable from the GRUB menu. |
| 20:28.39 | Quatroking | greycat, I tried that, it also hangs on initializing network interfaces |
| 20:28.43 | greycat | ouch |
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| 20:29.36 | erg0dic | greycat: dpkg tells me they are both installed & at 2.19-13 |
| 20:29.38 | greycat | I'm out of date on the lower-level rescue techniques. Many years ago we would've suggested something like "boot with parameter init=/bin/sh" |
| 20:29.40 | Quatroking | hey, I wonder if I could edit the file using puppylinux |
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| 20:29.59 | ctmjr | Quatroking: try ctrl+c sometimes it works |
| 20:30.00 | Quatroking | got that installed on a 256mb ssd on IDE 2 |
| 20:30.03 | wytrzeszcz | i using pulseaudio on arch and i have problem : my 5.1 spekers sytems play to much bass how to config that (any easy eqalizer?) |
| 20:30.04 | Quatroking | ctmjr, nope |
| 20:30.19 | greycat | Quatroking: if puppylinux can mount the Debian root file system read-write then possibly, yes. |
| 20:30.28 | Lirion | physical access to machine --> don't boot it at all. boot something else and edit the file. |
| 20:30.57 | Quatroking | lets try booting puppy then |
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| 20:31.12 | Quatroking | see if I can access and write to the file from there |
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| 20:33.11 | petn-randall | Quatroking: Assuming you're running wheezy, it will time out after a while, and you can then log in and fix it. |
| 20:33.41 | Quatroking | define "a while" |
| 20:33.50 | Quatroking | because it hasn't timed out after 5 mins |
| 20:34.05 | petn-randall | Quatroking: Should be like 2 mins or so. If that fails: |
| 20:34.12 | petn-randall | !tell Quatroking -about forgot password |
| 20:34.40 | Quatroking | I didn't forget the password.. |
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| 20:34.50 | greycat | !tell petn-randall about I forgot root's password |
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| 20:35.19 | petn-randall | greycat: Ah, that was the one, was looking for it while going through /q dpkg |
| 20:35.20 | Quatroking | anyways, booting puppy now, lets see if I can get write access |
| 20:35.22 | greycat | So I guess I wasn't *completely* out of date, unless dpkg is also. |
| 20:35.31 | petn-randall | !tell Quatroking -about I forgot root's password |
| 20:35.42 | greycat | Yeah, go ahead with the puppy thing first. |
| 20:35.53 | petn-randall | Quatroking: You can follow the procedure that dpkg sent you, except you edit /etc/network/interfaces instead of changing the root password. |
| 20:36.10 | Quatroking | got it, will try that if puppy fails |
| 20:37.46 | Quatroking | no idea if puppy can mount ext4 actually |
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| 20:38.12 | greycat | you're about to find out |
| 20:38.26 | Lirion | if it doesn't try knoppix |
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| 20:38.47 | petn-randall | There's 1000 ways to skin a cat. |
| 20:38.57 | petn-randall | looks at greycat. ;) |
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| 20:39.07 | greycat | Somehow I think that's not true. |
| 20:39.28 | greycat | There's only 50 ways to leave your lover, and cats aren't very big. |
| 20:39.35 | Quatroking | yay it can |
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| 20:41.14 | Quatroking | straight off the bat write access |
| 20:41.14 | Quatroking | niiiice |
| 20:41.14 | Quatroking | got rid of the faulty line in the interfaces file, lets hope debian works now |
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| 20:42.57 | petn-randall | Quatroking: I recommend testing the interface config with ifup/ifdown before rebooting, that's good practice. |
| 20:43.25 | greycat | puppy may not have that. I don't know how puppy works. |
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| 20:44.01 | greycat | (If you meant "next time you change it in Debian", that's different. And sensible.) |
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| 20:47.34 | Quatroking | booting debian.. |
| 20:48.01 | Quatroking | woo, it configured the network interfaces |
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| 20:48.12 | Quatroking | I knew it was a good idea to put puppy on that little 256mb ssd |
| 20:48.38 | cerbero | hello |
| 20:48.43 | cerbero | I need a small help |
| 20:48.46 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 20:48.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:49.02 | cerbero | i don't read nick name of this client just a moment |
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| 20:51.01 | cerbero | ok so |
| 20:51.11 | cerbero | i'm not connected in wifi connection |
| 20:51.22 | cerbero | but i want connect my netbook with Eth |
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| 20:52.29 | cerbero | !PASTEBIN |
| 20:52.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 20:53.49 | cerbero | cerbero@cerbero-address-cristina:~$ sudo lspci -nn|grep -i net |
| 20:53.50 | cerbero | 01:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v1.1 Fast Ethernet [1969:2060] (rev c1) |
| 20:53.50 | cerbero | 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Qualcomm Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:002b] (rev 01) |
| 20:53.50 | cerbero | cerbero@cerbero-address-cristina:~$ |
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| 20:54.10 | Quatroking | hey do any of you guys know how i could add puppylinux to my grub? |
| 20:54.25 | Quatroking | just now I just booted off the second drive directly, but it'd be nice to have a grub entry instead |
| 20:54.25 | itt788 | is there a way to add a mirror repo address which will be considered as an alternative if the first does not respond? |
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| 20:56.36 | cerbero | ghhghg |
| 20:56.43 | greycat | Quatroking: I don't know if this is the *best* way, but the most obvious way seems to be creating a new file in /etc/grub.d/ for each OS |
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| 20:56.55 | Lirion | cerbero you had the right answer when typing !pastebin. |
| 20:56.59 | benzrf | sorry, reposting because i had to go: |
| 20:56.59 | benzrf | 03:54 < benzrf> is there a way to safely and nonhackishly enable package installation from the debian (or ubuntu, etc) repos but not arbitrary package capabilies? |
| 20:57.02 | benzrf | 03:54 < benzrf> and if so, do you think that's a reasonable thing to do in my scenario? |
| 20:57.19 | benzrf | *my scenario is: high school computer lab |
| 20:57.21 | hassoon | what are the opengl 32/64 bits libraries? playonlinux is telling me that i do need them, but after googling and searching around , i couldn't know what i need exactly |
| 20:57.25 | hassoon | http://i.imgur.com/SVAquNh.png |
| 20:57.27 | Quatroking | greycat, will look into that, thanks |
| 20:57.30 | benzrf | for arbitrary users, not just root |
| 20:57.38 | Quatroking | the last time I edited grub was when I was using ubuntu 8.04 |
| 20:57.40 | hassoon | i use debian wheezy/ati hd 3470 |
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| 20:59.23 | Lirion | benzrf 21:22:05 <greycat> apt-get(8) says there is a "configuration item" Dir::Etc::SourceList which might be able to override sources.list |
| 20:59.36 | Lirion | didn't do this before but sounds promising. |
| 20:59.40 | benzrf | oh |
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| 20:59.50 | benzrf | hurf |
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| 21:01.30 | raymonde | k |
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| 21:02.13 | raymonde | What to do when apt-get refuses to upgrade packages. I have about 400 packages not upgraded... |
| 21:02.26 | centrx | raymonde, You are upgrading across releases? |
| 21:02.42 | raymonde | centrx: I'm just doing apt-get update; apt-get upgrade. |
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| 21:02.58 | centrx | raymonde, What version of Debian are you using? |
| 21:03.00 | greycat | Did you mix stable and non-stable sources? |
| 21:03.14 | centrx | raymonde, There shouldn't be 400 packages upgraded in the stable release, even if you haven't upgraded for a year even |
| 21:03.30 | raymonde | I have this Linux pc-raymonde 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:03.32 | centrx | *held back |
| 21:03.44 | ctmjr | hassoon: do you have multi-arch support enabled |
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| 21:04.38 | mwarning | hi, I am looking for the nf_nat_ipv6 kernel module on my debian 7.7 system. But it does not seem to be installed. Is there a package for it? |
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| 21:05.08 | Lirion | hassoon if you are using debian wheezy, I gave up trying to do playonlinux. the 32bit gl libraries for 64bit systems seem to be broken beyond repair, for me it works since upgrading to jessie. which is not(!) stable. |
| 21:05.17 | raymonde | centrx: I may have unstable and wheezy in the same sources.lst... I guess it isn,t good, is it ? |
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| 21:05.25 | Quatroking | oh deeeaaaar this grub stuff is really hard |
| 21:05.28 | hassoon | Lirion: :( |
| 21:05.33 | hassoon | ctmjr: i do |
| 21:05.36 | Quatroking | does a terminal-based grub editor exist? |
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| 21:05.52 | greycat | raymonde: your kernel is older than wheezy's... did you start from an older version and upgrade incompletely? |
| 21:05.58 | Lirion | Quatroking did you check /etc/grub.d? |
| 21:06.04 | hassoon | Lirion: the playonlinux found in the repositories didn't require that, while the one i downloaded from the POL site did required that opengl thing |
| 21:06.10 | Quatroking | Lirion, yeah, it has a bunch of complex looking files |
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| 21:06.35 | itt788 | so? how can I add an alternative mirror site for package installation? |
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| 21:06.53 | raymonde | greycat: If I have, I didn't mean to upgrade from stable.. I think I may wanted some packages from unstable but not go from wheezy to unstable and that may have broken the system.. |
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| 21:07.16 | greycat | Yeah, you can't do that cleanly. |
| 21:07.26 | greycat | !tell raymonde about backports |
| 21:07.37 | Lirion | Quatroking 40_custom is for, well, custom stuff you want to add yourself. I ASSUME this would then be the syntax of the final /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 21:07.45 | raymonde | greycat: can I go back to wheezy ? |
| 21:08.08 | greycat | raymonde: it depends on how many post-wheezy packages you have, and more importantly, which ones. In general there's no going backward without a full reinstall. |
| 21:08.24 | Lirion | first step for a try for me would be to add whatever I'd expect the puppy entry to look like, maybe by copying things a bit from my debian entries, and boot and see |
| 21:08.34 | Lirion | s/a try/an attempt |
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| 21:08.39 | Lirion | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.40 | raymonde | greycat: the other solution would be to upgrade to unstable ? |
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| 21:09.01 | greycat | raymonde: well, depending on how long ago, which packages, etc. you might be able to upgrade cleanly to jessie. *Might*. |
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| 21:09.21 | raymonde | greycat: so, this is worth to try ? |
| 21:09.29 | greycat | I'd try it. |
| 21:09.40 | ctmjr | hassoon: you need libgl1-fglrx-glx:i386 but Lirion say's it is broken in wheezy so do not know if it will work |
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| 21:10.22 | hassoon | Lirion: sorry what you mean by broken? corrupted or miswritten? |
| 21:10.28 | raymonde | greycat: I'm not sure what to type. Should I replace every wheezy and unstable by jessie and do `apt-get dist-upgrade`? |
| 21:10.29 | centrx | raymonde, jessie will be released in a couple months, so you can track jessie and then end up with the regular released version (assuming your partial upgrade is okay) |
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| 21:10.40 | Lirion | hassoon that's the way. (what ctmjr wrote.) but: you'll find that even through multiarching (i386 on 64bit, yes that works without problems), playonlinux won't launch complaining about missing 32bit gl libraries |
| 21:10.53 | centrx | !jessie sources.list |
| 21:10.54 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for you to help with preparing the Jessie release is: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main", but you knew that already, didn't you? Ask me about <testing> <moving target> <testing security> and make sure you understand the implications of running Jessie. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list" |
| 21:11.01 | Pegasus_RPG1 | Hello. I have a longstanding problem in that printed page images are not rotated despite my selecting the Landscape orientation in the printer driver. The printer acts like the pages are loaded in that orientation (by cutting off printing beyond where the edge is) but the image itself is not rotated to match. |
| 21:11.02 | Lirion | I tried different packages, even symlinking in /lib and /usr/lib*, but well. |
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| 21:11.05 | Pegasus_RPG1 | How might I correct this? |
| 21:11.05 | ConqueredWarrior | Hello |
| 21:11.06 | greycat | raymonde: remove ALL the sources in /etc/apt/sources.list and only put in the basic jessie ones. Then apt-get update, then apt-get.... well, what the bot said. |
| 21:11.20 | ConqueredWarrior | I have noticed that I have exim running on a default install, from a user called Debian-exim I think or similar |
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| 21:11.23 | ConqueredWarrior | is this normal? |
| 21:11.29 | centrx | yes |
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| 21:11.43 | ctmjr | itt788: just use http://http.debian.net/debian it will allways find the fastest mirror |
| 21:11.43 | hassoon | Lirion: what about installing the opengl libraries from ..their main site? |
| 21:11.47 | centrx | ConqueredWarrior, You may have selected the "Server" option for example during installation |
| 21:11.52 | centrx | whatever it's called |
| 21:12.01 | ConqueredWarrior | centrx: it was an image provided by my vps host |
| 21:12.12 | centrx | ok yeah |
| 21:12.16 | Lirion | if there's a way to compile and run 32 bit gl libraries, I don't know it. but it may exist. |
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| 21:12.26 | ConqueredWarrior | the argument to it are -bd -q30m |
| 21:12.33 | ConqueredWarrior | I never saw it in the top 10 of htop before today |
| 21:12.37 | centrx | ConqueredWarrior, You can uninstall exim, as long as nothing else depends on it |
| 21:12.49 | ConqueredWarrior | what exactly does it to? it's a mail server? |
| 21:12.51 | hassoon | 'key will mess wit hthat later, but thanks gentlemen. |
| 21:12.57 | greycat | ConqueredWarrior: yeah, sendmail alternative |
| 21:12.57 | Lirion | I for myself have upgraded to jessie. systemd and I are still arguing about things, but well... for the time we peacefully coexist. |
| 21:12.59 | Quatroking | nooooooooooo |
| 21:13.03 | Lirion | you're welcome |
| 21:13.04 | Quatroking | my nas failed entirely now |
| 21:13.09 | centrx | ConqueredWarrior, yes, mail servers are called "MTA" (Mail Transfer Agent) |
| 21:13.10 | Quatroking | daaaaaaaaaaaaamn |
| 21:13.14 | ConqueredWarrior | I noticed it take top 10 today, and was thinking hopefully my machine didn't het hacked |
| 21:13.39 | ConqueredWarrior | does it have logs to see what it does? if it send email? |
| 21:13.51 | centrx | /var/log |
| 21:13.55 | Lirion | /var/log/mail.log, supposedly. |
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| 21:14.10 | Lirion | (then again, I use postfix, dunno if exim uses the same.) |
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| 21:14.28 | cerbero | oh |
| 21:14.29 | cerbero | finally |
| 21:14.32 | cerbero | :) |
| 21:14.33 | jelly-home | ConqueredWarrior: logs for exim are in /var/log/exim4/ directory |
| 21:14.33 | greycat | I like to use "cd /var/log; ls -lart" to see what the most recent files are. If it's not obvious, then look for subdirectories. |
| 21:15.06 | centrx | good old ls lart - http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/L/LART.html |
| 21:15.08 | jelly-home | you just like to lart |
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| 21:15.28 | greycat | that too |
| 21:15.39 | Lirion | I didn't know that... brilliant :D |
| 21:15.42 | ConqueredWarrior | my logs say that starting today it's full of message is frozen logs |
| 21:15.43 | cerbero | hello :) sorry |
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| 21:15.53 | ConqueredWarrior | it started suddenly today, no idea what caused it? |
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| 21:16.29 | linuxd | zcat /home/linuxator/work/data.tar.xz | tar xv |
| 21:16.30 | linuxd | gzip: /home/linuxator/work/data.tar.xz: not in gzip format |
| 21:16.32 | linuxd | tar: This does not look like a tar archive |
| 21:16.33 | linuxd | tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors |
| 21:16.35 | linuxd | how to fix this? |
| 21:16.35 | ConqueredWarrior | what does it mean message is frozen? |
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| 21:17.12 | Lirion | linuxd a .xz file is probably in xz format |
| 21:17.27 | greycat | linuxd: .xz is not zcat compatible. It's a different compression format. apt-get install xz-utils and read "man xz" |
| 21:17.32 | erg0dic | does anyone know where on the filesystem generated locales are supposed to go? |
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| 21:17.54 | petn-randall | linuxd: FYI, don't paste in the channel, as said in /topic |
| 21:18.24 | Quatroking | pastebin is love pastebin is life |
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| 21:19.12 | cerbero | petn-randall: so i make this command for give you an idea of my problem: http://paste.debian.net/137466/ |
| 21:19.12 | greycat | erg0dic: looks like /usr/share/locale/ |
| 21:19.27 | hassoon | paste.debian FTW |
| 21:19.37 | hassoon | *.net* |
| 21:19.44 | linuxd | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.12 | cerbero | hassoon: me? |
| 21:20.23 | raymonde | centrx: I have cleaned sources.list and now apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade. If it says that only 2 packages won,t be upgraded, I guess it isn,t that bad, right ? |
| 21:20.24 | hassoon | cerbero: could be. |
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| 21:21.08 | petn-randall | linuxd: Are you still running etch? That's not supported anymore for quite a while now. |
| 21:21.16 | cerbero | but wifi is ok - i'm connected |
| 21:21.24 | cerbero | but WLAN no -_-" |
| 21:21.26 | cerbero | Why ghghgh |
| 21:21.30 | Lirion | cerbero try to fit eth0 to the switch you're connected to in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:21.32 | erg0dic | very curious, I see en_US in there |
| 21:21.52 | cerbero | Lirion: or better? |
| 21:22.20 | erg0dic | but no UTF-8 locales |
| 21:22.29 | erg0dic | and find can't find them anywhere on my system |
| 21:22.41 | erg0dic | which suggests that they are never being generated |
| 21:22.59 | Lirion | do you have them enabled in dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales? |
| 21:23.05 | Lirion | do you have localepurge installed? |
| 21:23.21 | petn-randall | cerbero: wifi is ok, but WLAN isn't? That doesn't make much sense ... |
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| 21:23.50 | cerbero | petn-randall: wifi is ok |
| 21:24.01 | cerbero | but i want connection with LAN :) |
| 21:24.11 | petn-randall | cerbero: Do you have network-manager installed? |
| 21:24.17 | erg0dic | Lirion: yes, they are selected and set as system default |
| 21:24.27 | cerbero | w8 |
| 21:24.28 | erg0dic | Lirion: I do not have localepurge installed |
| 21:24.43 | greycat | erg0dic: on wheezy, "strace locale -a" suggests that it's reading "/usr/lib/locale/locale-archive" among other things |
| 21:24.58 | petn-randall | cerbero: Is this a server or desktop? |
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| 21:25.36 | cerbero | petn-randall: netbook - but i want to make it server :) and i need to use LAN connection not Wifi |
| 21:25.53 | cerbero | petn-randall: yes i go network-manager |
| 21:26.05 | erg0dic | greycat: on my system, the only thing in /usr/lib/locale is a folder "C.UTF-8" |
| 21:26.06 | petn-randall | cerbero: If the LAN connection stays the same, configure it in /etc/network/interfaces. If it changes, use network-manager. |
| 21:26.07 | linuxd | petn-randall: no,i don't |
| 21:26.15 | Pegasus_RPG | Any pointers on how I can get CUPS to rotate printed images to match the page orientation? |
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| 21:26.31 | petn-randall | linuxd: That documentation is for etch. |
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| 21:26.44 | greycat | erg0dic: I don't know whether that's a jessie thing, or an actual problem. Sorry. |
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| 21:27.28 | linuxd | petn-randall: so where is the onr foe suse? |
| 21:27.37 | Lirion | well, on jessie here I'm running en_IE.UTF-8 fine among others |
| 21:27.38 | cerbero | petn-randall: in .../interfaces i got: auto lo // iface lo inet loopback |
| 21:27.54 | petn-randall | linuxd: No idea, this is a Debian channel. Ask the Suse folks. :) |
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| 21:28.01 | petn-randall | !tell linuxd about suse |
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| 21:31.04 | erg0dic | installing the package "locales-all" solved the problem |
| 21:31.17 | erg0dic | but there is definitely something broken about locale generation.. |
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| 21:31.59 | Lirion | cerbero man 5 interfaces |
| 21:33.18 | Lirion | unless you frequently change your network/switch, as petn-randall pointed out. |
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| 21:42.57 | Quatroking | if I could I'd burn seagate to the ground |
| 21:44.26 | Quatroking | the seagate nas I got refuses to work because it caused logical sector errors |
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| 21:44.35 | Quatroking | the drive is still fine but the unit won't budge |
| 21:44.40 | PerfDave | I'm running Debian Wheezy; when I run "SET GLOBAL general_log = 'ON'" in mysql, where should the query logs go? Nothing's appearing in /var/log/mysql* |
| 21:44.45 | Quatroking | to make matters worse, it has 4 partitions with raid flags |
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| 21:47.04 | nodata | hi |
| 21:47.12 | nodata | i get new vps |
| 21:47.22 | nodata | with ipv6 block |
| 21:47.23 | Lirion | In German we have a proverb: Seagate oder seagate nicht. Which translates as "Sea works or sea doesn't work", as "geht" and "gate" sound similar and "geht" is "works"... so it's already pretty famous for being rather fickle. |
| 21:47.34 | nodata | how to use ipv6 block ? |
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| 21:48.01 | petn-randall | !tell nodata -about ipv6 |
| 21:48.10 | Quatroking | Lirion, no kidding |
| 21:48.28 | Quatroking | I'm Dutch, the sea is supposed to obey me, damnit! |
| 21:48.33 | Lirion | :D |
| 21:49.08 | petn-randall | Quatroking: This might be more suitable for #debian-offtopic. |
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| 21:49.22 | Quatroking | Yeah probably |
| 21:49.32 | Lirion | well... I had a guy at home. his pc broke down, hard disk crash. I managed to backup some of his data to his newly acquired seagate external space ship design drive, hours later said external drive died. seriously. I'm half east frisian, so heritage doesn't count much... |
| 21:50.03 | Quatroking | what hdd recovery programs exist for debian? |
| 21:50.04 | petn-randall | Same goes to you, Lirion :) |
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| 21:50.21 | Lirion | ok :) |
| 21:50.31 | Quatroking | parted can't even read out the drive |
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| 21:51.15 | Quatroking | fdisk does read it but tells me it detected GPT and tells me to use parted |
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| 21:52.18 | Quatroking | really hoping to get the data off, got a whole bunch of animes there |
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| 21:56.21 | nodata | i get new vps with ipv6 block |
| 21:56.26 | nodata | but how to use ipv6 block ? |
| 21:56.36 | nodata | i get this >> Your IPv6 block:2001:470:1c:bc4::45:1/111 |
| 21:56.47 | nodata | what i do with this ? |
| 21:57.06 | nodata | how i can make multiple ipv6 ip's ? |
| 21:57.20 | Lirion | the same that you do with 192.168.0.1/24 for example |
| 21:58.12 | WangDang | I'm trying to upgrade a lenny machine to sqz-lts. I get an error about an unfound Packages file. I checked the mirror, and true enough there is no Packages file. But there is a Packages.gz and *.bz2. Can't lenny apt-get use compressed Packages files? |
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| 21:58.22 | nodata | is any online tool to generate multiple ipv6 ips with above block ? |
| 21:58.32 | Lirion | try what was suggested to you by dpkg |
| 21:59.01 | Lirion | there are irc channels as well. |
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| 22:00.32 | nodata | is any online tool to generate multiple ipv6 ips with this block-> 2001:470:1c:bc4::45:1/111 ? |
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| 22:00.43 | Lirion | !tell nodata about ipv6 |
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| 22:03.44 | nodata | i try this command |
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| 22:03.48 | nodata | ip -6 addr add 2001:470:1c:bc4::45:1/111 dev eth0 |
| 22:03.58 | nodata | Cannot find device "eth0" |
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| 22:04.07 | nodata | :( |
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| 22:15.30 | maxd | hi |
| 22:15.38 | maxd | How can I find out where my PATH has been set for the user? |
| 22:15.47 | maxd | Because one user got a different path than the other users. |
| 22:15.52 | maxd | I want to find out where this has been set. |
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| 22:16.32 | jhutchins | maxd: Check ~/.profile .bashrc |
| 22:16.54 | jhutchins | .bash_profile |
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| 22:17.30 | jhutchins | nodedfree: Maybe you don't haev eth0. |
| 22:17.38 | jhutchins | nodedfree: ifconfig -a |
| 22:17.48 | jhutchins | nodedfree: Sorry. |
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| 22:19.08 | maxd | jhutchins: hm, in ~/.bash_profile isn't there yet and ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc doesn't contain something with PATH |
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| 22:20.09 | GNU\colossus | maxd, maybe something in the system's PAM config, specific to a particular user? (that should be possible and would probably involve pam's "env" module) |
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| 22:20.30 | jhutchins | maxd: A shell script could be changing it. |
| 22:20.41 | GNU\colossus | only if it's being sourced though |
| 22:20.48 | jhutchins | maxd: Are you running a GUI? |
| 22:20.52 | maxd | no |
| 22:20.54 | maxd | plain bash |
| 22:21.25 | jhutchins | maxd: What's different about the path? |
| 22:22.02 | maxd | found it |
| 22:22.03 | maxd | profile.d |
| 22:22.07 | maxd | lol |
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| 22:24.47 | maxd | So that script is in /etc/profile.d/rbenv.sh |
| 22:24.53 | maxd | It works with my current user |
| 22:25.02 | WangDang | "apt-get update" on squeeze-lts (http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze and http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts) redirects to a bad mirror. Should this be reported to someone or is it likely just a transitory error? |
| 22:25.04 | maxd | But when I switch to root (e.g. sudo), the script is apparently not run as the PATH is not updated. |
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| 22:27.09 | maxd | So why is /etc/profile.d/rbenv.sh not executed when being root? |
| 22:27.13 | maxd | I use an interactive, normal bash shell and sudo to switch to root. |
| 22:27.23 | jhutchins | maxd: root has a differnt path - it includes access to /sbin and /usr/local/sbin |
| 22:27.29 | maxd | yes |
| 22:27.38 | maxd | jhutchins: but the path which rbenv.sh would add is missing |
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| 22:28.05 | jhutchins | maxd: 'cause it's not processed by root, and maybe it shouldn't be. |
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| 22:28.35 | jhutchins | maxd: In pure unix su is not the same as su - |
| 22:28.51 | maxd | how can I make it executed when I use sudo? |
| 22:28.55 | maxd | Because I want to run this command as sudo. |
| 22:29.02 | maxd | The command is installed to be used globally by all users. |
| 22:29.16 | maxd | But when this shell script is not executed, the path and other env variables not adjusted, the command will not be found or fail. |
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| 22:32.19 | jhutchins | maxd: Why is it configured to run as a user not as root? |
| 22:33.30 | maxd | jhutchins: Each user can invoke that command but with his limited permissions. |
| 22:33.51 | maxd | jhutchins: right, when I use sudo su instead just sudo <command>, it works |
| 22:34.11 | maxd | sudo -E command also doesn't work, I hoped this will pass the env variables all over to root for this command |
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| 22:34.20 | jhutchins | maxd: Most popular distros have been hacked so we don't have to keep explaining that to people. |
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| 22:34.46 | jhutchins | maxd: There are commands that should never be run as root. |
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| 22:40.19 | maxd | jhutchins: hm, right |
| 22:40.35 | maxd | jhutchins: ok, then I will sudo su instead and exit after usage |
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| 22:41.02 | PerfDave | I'm using MySQL 5.5.40 on Debian Stable; is SET GLOBAL general_log = 'ON'; enough to log every query, and where should I look for those logs? |
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| 22:41.34 | maxd | jhutchins: yes, this I can do. Thank you! |
| 22:41.46 | maxd | and also thanks to GNU\colossus |
| 22:41.54 | maxd | impressive nick :D was this an OS? |
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| 22:42.27 | CQ | hello, I am getting this error WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! virtualbox-guest-x11 virtualbox-guest-utils virtualbox-guest-dkms ... any ideas? |
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| 22:42.55 | CQ | this is for unstable |
| 22:43.02 | dondelelcaro | CQ: you're probably installing packages from a non-debian source if you're getting that error |
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| 22:43.16 | dondelelcaro | ,versions virtualbox-guest-x11 |
| 22:43.18 | judd | Package: virtualbox-guest-x11 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+2; wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u3; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.14-dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-1; sid/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-1; experimental/contrib: 4.3.20-dfsg-1 |
| 22:43.26 | PerfDave | CQ: Please paste the output of "apt-cache policy virtualbox-guest-x11" and /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 22:43.27 | CQ | hm, vbox could be, but I'm also getting it fpr flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 22:43.35 | GNU\colossus | maxd, you're welcomse. as to your question: no, none that I'd know of ;) I used to be active in online gaming clans some 15-7 years ago, and my nick always carried some kind of prefix. these days, I use my fav. OS's name instead of a clantag ;) |
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| 22:44.18 | maxd | colossus sounds very mainframe |
| 22:44.43 | GNU\colossus | one of the first computers (the last one which used base-10 arithmetic, iirc) had that name |
| 22:45.04 | ScottE | maxd: why not just write a front-end shell script that sets up the environment and exec's the thing - then have everyone run that via sudo? |
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| 22:45.25 | GNU\colossus | but there's several things with that name - the inspiration for my nickname was the best "herc" (a huge, human-like fighting robot) in Sierra's "Earthsiege" combat simulation games |
| 22:45.28 | GNU\colossus | in the early 90s |
| 22:45.35 | iflema | CQ apt-get update (again) - maybe stale mirror. Or wait a while... |
| 22:46.22 | CQ | http://paste.debian.net/137474/ |
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| 22:48.46 | PerfDave | CQ: Except you're not running unstable, you're running a mixture of testing and experimental |
| 22:49.05 | CQ | yeah, I just saw that too, that was in a separat sources.list.d file |
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| 22:49.36 | maxd | ah |
| 22:50.15 | maxd | ScottE: hm, right. But where to put that shell script (as profile.d is not executed when using sudo) so it is executed each time I use sudo command? |
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| 22:52.42 | CQ | OK, works now... I dumped that one line. I'm stillp ulling Mozilla stuff from the mozilla repository, but the rest is testing |
| 22:52.49 | ScottE | maxd: /usr/local/bin - and make sure that's in secure_path in the sudoers file is one way I think |
| 22:53.03 | maxd | ah, ok |
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| 22:58.24 | brnsis | Now, my investigation led me to try and turn off the wireless router in our kitchen. She didn't know what I was doing at the time. We were watching a movie, and she started just feeling horribly from dizziness and nausea. I left her alone in the bedroom to finish wiring up the computer. |
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| 22:59.33 | brnsis | I removed my wireless card, and brought up the router on a webpage to turn off the wireless access point inside the router. My router was doing something strange where I couldn't get access to it (page resetting), so I went over to reboot it. As soon as I turned off the router, she yelled out behind the closed door for me. |
| 22:59.49 | brnsis | I ignored her a few times, while I finished turning the wireless off right after boot up. I went into see her to see what she wanted, and she asked me, "What did you do? All of a sudden I feel perfectly fine! Like a weight has been lifted from me." So, a router reset and a wireless turned off, she was fine in a split second. |
| 22:59.56 | brnsis | what do you think is going on in a case like this? |
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| 23:04.27 | ctmjr | brnsis: maybe they know in #thetwilightzone |
| 23:04.52 | brnsis | well |
| 23:04.53 | iflema | brnsis: I have seen this.. i had arouter i was very aware of once... what region of the world are you in and what channel is the wireless using. |
| 23:05.23 | brnsis | 2.4g |
| 23:05.32 | brnsis | north america |
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| 23:05.57 | brnsis | you think it's unrelated to the speed of the ineternet service such that downgrading to a lower service level won't make a difference? |
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| 23:07.33 | brnsis | ifelma, what about you? where are you and what did yoou find was the reason for the irritation? |
| 23:07.41 | brnsis | iflema |
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| 23:11.58 | iflema | sounds dangerous |
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| 23:13.07 | brnsis | what's dangerous? |
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| 23:20.38 | someHuman | Hi! |
| 23:20.46 | someHuman | I don't think Iceweasel is as secure as IceCat. |
| 23:20.52 | someHuman | It was said that they are one. |
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| 23:29.16 | YamakasY | !moo |
| 23:29.16 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 23:29.18 | YamakasY | yeah! |
| 23:29.51 | atari314 | Hello, lets say I have a private repository with some deb packages I tailored for my needs (e.g.: my gimp version). Can I make that private repository be prefered over other repositories (e.g.: standard gimp package)? |
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| 23:34.37 | atari314 | nvm, found it: https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 23:35.07 | atari314 | https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences#Notes_from_ZugSchlus example 3 :) |
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| 23:35.44 | Geraldus | Hi pals! Does anybody uses linux and os x dual boot on theier macs? |
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| 23:38.59 | someHuman | Geraldus: Probably a lot does here. |
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| 23:39.57 | Melissa_ | Hello |
| 23:40.13 | Melissa_ | How can I get write permission to a USB device mounted with fstab? |
| 23:40.35 | Melissa_ | I have this line in /etc/fstab : |
| 23:40.44 | Melissa_ | /dev/sdc1 /media/usb1 auto user,rw,noauto 0 0 |
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| 23:41.51 | atari314 | Melissa_, udi=user,gif=users,dmask=022,fmask=133 at least that´s how I mount it |
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| 23:42.13 | atari314 | correction: uid=user,gid=users,dmask=022,fmask=133 |
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| 23:43.53 | Melissa_ | Let me try |
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| 23:50.18 | Geraldus | someHuman: and what about you? |
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