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| 00:00.33 | Elvano | Same, but I just noticed, though, that my eth0 does have a inet 6 addr |
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| 00:01.37 | Guest94202 | eth0 != wlan0 |
| 00:02.02 | Elvano | I know, I've been trying both |
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| 00:17.47 | marioxcc | What can I use as a lightweight (easy to configure and not very resource demanding) VPS server software? |
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| 00:18.43 | abrotman | marioxcc: isn't that generally LXC these days? |
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| 00:19.29 | marioxcc | abrotman: sorry, I meant VPN |
| 00:19.38 | marioxcc | What can I use as a lightweight (easy to configure and not very resource demanding) VPN server software? |
| 00:20.30 | Elvano | I was able to get the eth0 to work, Guest94202 |
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| 00:28.40 | dimitry7 | Hey guys |
| 00:28.42 | dimitry7 | I have this script |
| 00:28.43 | dimitry7 | I have this script: http://pastebin.com/q5e9R3Qe |
| 00:28.55 | dimitry7 | it does not run... can you see why? |
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| 00:35.31 | slitt_pcbsd | dimitry7, define "does not run". If I were in your shoes, I'd start putting diagnostic echos in the script. |
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| 00:35.40 | marioxcc | hello, how can I check if a program is running in a chroot environment? |
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| 00:36.43 | dondelelcaro | marioxcc: /proc/self/root will usually give you an idea |
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| 00:41.21 | marioxcc | dondelelcaro: I just tested, it points to / in a chroot. |
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| 00:44.46 | dimitry7 | slitt_pcbsd, yeah I execute it, and it just hangs, does nothing. I have put echos, before the SALIDA, they show up, after, they don't |
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| 00:47.02 | slitt_pcbsd | dimitry7, looks like rsync is either hanging, or it's working but not transferring enough files to show up because of the -v. |
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| 00:47.05 | dondelelcaro | marioxcc: that's from inside the chroot. From outside, it doesn't. |
| 00:47.27 | marioxcc | dondelelcaro: I tested it from the inside |
| 00:47.37 | slitt_pcbsd | I'd suggest you run the actual command at a command prompt and see what it does. |
| 00:47.47 | Time-Warp | does anyone know what bs=4M; stands for at the end of the command dd |
| 00:47.59 | dondelelcaro | marioxcc: yes, exactly. From inside, /proc/self/root is /, because that's right. From outside, /proc/pid/root is not / |
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| 00:48.08 | slitt_pcbsd | Block size is 4 megabytes, Time-Warp . |
| 00:48.18 | Time-Warp | slitt_pcbsd: oh cool |
| 00:48.24 | Time-Warp | slitt_pcbsd: thanks |
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| 00:52.55 | g00se | Is it just me or is debfoster -e never as useful as you'd hope it to be? Are there other ways? |
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| 01:17.43 | Time-Warp | dd if=blah.iso of=/dev/sdb |
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| 01:17.48 | Time-Warp | should work right |
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| 01:18.02 | Time-Warp | for a bootable image without the bit size added |
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| 01:21.02 | Time-Warp | lol i thought i had a bad drive so i tryed dd count=1 bs=512 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb |
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| 01:21.50 | Time-Warp | it might actualy be a bad drive now that i think about it |
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| 01:36.10 | phre4k | if I shutdown a KVM host, will the guests automatically shutdown too or do I have to do it manually? |
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| 01:36.53 | heurist | dpkg: tell phre4k -about crosspost |
| 01:37.16 | phre4k | I'm sorry, I didn't mean to post it here |
| 01:37.22 | marioxcc | phre4k: you have to do it manually unless you have configured otherwise |
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| 01:37.38 | marioxcc | it's a question possibly related to Debian, so I don't see the problem. |
| 01:37.46 | phre4k | I already found the answer though |
| 01:37.53 | phre4k | the guests are suspended. |
| 01:38.08 | phre4k | I crossposted in ##linux, marioxcc :) |
| 01:38.15 | heurist | phre4k: that depends on how your virtual machine manager is configured. |
| 01:38.21 | marioxcc | phre4k: ok |
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| 01:38.48 | phre4k | I'd also like to know how I can add Host partitions (LVM) to a guest. |
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| 01:39.29 | phre4k | I have a block device inside a VG which I'd like to connect but the virt-manager doesn't seem to get what I want :/ |
| 01:40.08 | pingfloyd | So an LV? |
| 01:40.09 | marioxcc | phre4k: when invoking, use -drive file=BACK_TO_BLOCK_DEVICE,format=raw,[aio=native,if=virtio] |
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| 01:40.27 | marioxcc | the string between [ ] is optional |
| 01:40.35 | phre4k | k ty, will try |
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| 01:44.16 | iykwim69 | Good evening everyone! ^_^ |
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| 01:45.24 | marioxcc | hi iykwim69 |
| 01:46.29 | iykwim69 | marioxcc: Will there be Cinnamon desktop available as a default DE in Jessie? |
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| 01:47.45 | marioxcc | iykwim69: I don't know |
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| 01:58.22 | rgb-one | Hello, where are application settings stored in gnome 3.14? |
| 01:58.39 | marioxcc | rgb-one: I don't know, as I don't use it, but I think that it as a preference for .config |
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| 02:17.15 | GJdan | random question... is debian using mysql or mariadb or both in jesse? |
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| 02:23.03 | heurist | GJdan: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 02:25.13 | nr_ | hi |
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| 02:38.55 | Geek_tastic | hi I am new to linux and I am curious whre I can learn about repositories ? |
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| 02:39.08 | Geek_tastic | anyone? |
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| 02:40.03 | jancsika | if I have ~ 15gigs "free" but only 800mb "available", what might account for the difference? |
| 02:40.25 | jancsika | (looking at gnome-system-monitor) |
| 02:40.59 | Kobra | jancsika: are you sure it's not the other way? |
| 02:42.00 | Kobra | jancsika: wait, memory or hard disk? |
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| 02:42.24 | jancsika | Kobra: yes... "df -h" shows I have 800mb "Avail", but gnome-system-monitor shows what I wrote above |
| 02:42.37 | jancsika | Kobra: oh sorry-- hard disk space |
| 02:42.45 | Geek_tastic | can someone help me with how to deal with repositories? |
| 02:43.04 | Kobra | jancsika: it's because memory not allocated is wasted; the "free" ram is usually used for caching |
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| 02:44.38 | Geek_tastic | must be a slow day |
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| 02:49.34 | slowmc_ | Geek_tastic : https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository |
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| 02:58.16 | jpinx | jancsika: did you sort that out? df -h tells you HDD space, also du -h --max-depth=1 / can tell you more details. for RAM use free, but there is not really any such thing as "free" RAM ;) |
| 02:58.17 | jancsika | Kobra: thanks |
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| 03:04.17 | ravigehlot | grub is set to 1024x768...it boots with that but switches over to a lower res mid-way through the booting process..any clues? |
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| 03:06.00 | Kobra | ravigehlot: reminds me of nvidia's drivers running in a low res until im logged in :V |
| 03:06.10 | ravigehlot | Kobra: exactly |
| 03:06.25 | ravigehlot | Kobra: I am using a laptop so I got hybrid graphics here |
| 03:06.27 | Kobra | why is that anyway, does anyone know why? |
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| 03:06.44 | ravigehlot | Kobra: the Nvidia one is always turned off in favor of the GPU one |
| 03:07.00 | Kobra | huh? |
| 03:07.29 | ravigehlot | Kobra: if you are using a laptop, chances are that you are running Hybrid graphics |
| 03:07.58 | Kobra | ravigehlot: nah, my laptop has integrated gfx, but my PC (where it happens) is not |
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| 03:08.14 | Kobra | i have an Nvidia 560 Ti, my CPU has no integrated GPU |
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| 03:10.25 | jif3 | hi, im trying to install a package and im getting nonsense. |
| 03:10.42 | Kobra | :| |
| 03:10.42 | jif3 | this is on knoppix 7.2 (debian squeeze iirc) |
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| 03:11.44 | jif3 | g++-multilib is required for install replicant (or so sayeth the wiki) and i'm getting unresolvable dependencies |
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| 03:14.24 | Kobra | jif3: eh, did you try knoppix channels first?, and maybe if you paste logs someone might be able to help you |
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| 03:14.53 | jif3 | :'( |
| 03:15.40 | Kobra | copy paste your errors to pastebin.com, then paste url here; someone might know what's wrong. |
| 03:16.07 | heurist | !knoppix |
| 03:16.08 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems. |
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| 03:17.34 | ravigehlot | Kobra: When I boot and grub kicks in, it is at 1024x768 then half way through booting it drops to 640x480 |
| 03:18.22 | Kobra | ravigehlot: heh, i just get 800x600 (it could be 640x480,), right up until i log in |
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| 04:09.38 | un214 | video=###x### doesn't work |
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| 04:13.14 | un214 | nvrmind I typo'd it |
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| 05:20.18 | askingquestions | is there any way to get rid of that cancer systemd from debian installs |
| 05:20.28 | askingquestions | seriously systemd is cance.r |
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| 05:22.07 | illy | askingquestions: i dont mind it |
| 05:22.16 | askingquestions | it's cancer :/ |
| 05:22.16 | illy | why and howcome is it troubling you? :P |
| 05:22.24 | askingquestions | it's just a piece of shit program |
| 05:22.33 | illy | well everything is a piece of shti program |
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| 05:22.45 | illy | that is a fact, and a seminar aswell |
| 05:22.45 | askingquestions | The problem's it's caused in the past and the problems it will cause in the future |
| 05:23.05 | illy | what kinda problems? |
| 05:23.26 | askingquestions | It highjacks the kernel command line |
| 05:23.41 | illy | cool |
| 05:23.42 | askingquestions | the developers told Linus to change how the kernel interpets it's command line |
| 05:23.58 | askingquestions | they said to change debug to kernel_debug |
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| 05:29.33 | Simotek-Work | askingquestions, go visit #debianfork |
| 05:29.53 | askingquestions | Simotek-Work: why? |
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| 05:30.33 | Simotek-Work | debian being a binary distro, basically so that other people can use systemd if they want you will end up with atleast part of it on your system, you just don't ever need to use it |
| 05:31.25 | TriJetScud | lol |
| 05:31.48 | TriJetScud | I think linus told the systemd group to f-off about changing debug to kernel_debug |
| 05:32.17 | illy | im pretty usre linus say foff to everything/everyone |
| 05:32.18 | illy | :D |
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| 05:32.54 | askingquestions | TriJetScud: they did |
| 05:32.59 | askingquestions | thats part of why i hate systemd |
| 05:33.13 | askingquestions | They told the kernel's creator to fix the kernel instead of them fixing thier code |
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| 05:33.23 | askingquestions | how the fuck did that get adopted into one of the best distros?! |
| 05:33.33 | Abhijit | cause debian. |
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| 05:40.51 | Bartleby | Oh hey, another systemd discussion. I'm sure this one will introduce new and pertinent information which has not yet been considered. |
| 05:40.59 | Len_ | anyone lend a hint on this error? mv: cannot stat `*.deb': No such file or directory |
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| 05:41.37 | Len_ | i see it says no directory or file but im not sure why |
| 05:41.46 | Bartleby | Len_: Sorry to ask, but is there there such a file? |
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| 05:42.13 | Len_ | try'ing to make .debs from source using a script |
| 05:42.19 | Bartleby | What does ls *.deb say? |
| 05:42.58 | Len_ | ls: cannot access *.deb: No such file or directory |
| 05:43.26 | illy | Len_: |
| 05:43.30 | Len_ | yes |
| 05:43.31 | illy | try ls | grep .deb ? |
| 05:44.21 | Len_ | nothing displayed after illy |
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| 05:44.44 | Len_ | i have "Creating wheezy dsc..." |
| 05:44.57 | askingquestions | is there any |
| 05:45.02 | askingquestions | ultra minimalistic debian installer |
| 05:45.14 | askingquestions | ie super minimal |
| 05:45.20 | Len_ | ill pastebin more |
| 05:45.23 | askingquestions | no optional packages |
| 05:45.24 | Bartleby | Len_: I think the reason it's saying there is no such file or directory is because there is no such file or directory. |
| 05:45.28 | askingquestions | only the bare system needed to boot |
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| 05:47.17 | Len_ | http://pastebin.com/TQYXVhet |
| 05:48.11 | Len_ | im not sure askingquestions . im very new with trying to create packages |
| 05:49.01 | Bartleby | Len_: Can you post your script? |
| 05:49.32 | Len_ | yes 1 moment |
| 05:49.52 | Len_ | this is what im compiling on "Linux debian 2.6.31.6_SMP_820 #6 SMP Thu Jun 14 19:49:57 CDT 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux" |
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| 05:54.24 | Len_ | http://pastebin.com/7QQrkyA7 |
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| 05:54.35 | Len_ | sorry for the delay |
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| 05:55.44 | atomi | coreos uses systemd |
| 05:56.53 | Len_ | is there a way too see if im missing a package in order to use the script? |
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| 06:01.05 | Len_ | what do you think Bartleby? |
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| 06:01.33 | akar | is it possible debootstrap amd64 from debian i386? |
| 06:01.58 | akar | try run debootstrap and got failure when mount proc |
| 06:03.26 | heurist | akar: you can not chroot into a 64bit system from a 32bit kernel |
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| 06:05.20 | Len_ | only thing it seems like was made was |
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| 06:05.22 | Len_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:06.04 | Len_ | it took me a week to figure out -z9 is a bad idea on 128mb of ram XD |
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| 06:06.18 | cylinder | hello all |
| 06:06.40 | cylinder | we have heard the news and it is... I do not have the words |
| 06:06.46 | cylinder | but there is hope |
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| 06:07.08 | Len_ | the news? are you the father? |
| 06:07.12 | cylinder | for the 173 of you whom fought the good fight, alongside Ian, there is a path |
| 06:07.17 | cylinder | #debianfork |
| 06:07.21 | cylinder | please join us |
| 06:07.27 | Simotek-Work | Len_, thats what i thought |
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| 06:07.40 | cylinder | let us keep the universal operating system truly universal. |
| 06:07.54 | Len_ | what the fork you talking about cylinder ? |
| 06:08.08 | cylinder | Thank you Ian Jackson for fighting against systemd. |
| 06:08.16 | Len_ | oh ic |
| 06:08.26 | cylinder | We are sorry that your effort failed. |
| 06:08.34 | cylinder | It was the last hope. |
| 06:08.34 | akar | heurist: thanks |
| 06:08.40 | cylinder | #debianfork |
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| 06:08.43 | cylinder | debianfork.org |
| 06:08.47 | akar | try to download grml 64bit then |
| 06:08.47 | Len_ | just make it Xdebian |
| 06:08.48 | cylinder | please join. |
| 06:09.03 | cylinder | Len_, good name actually |
| 06:09.32 | Len_ | that can be its first distro name |
| 06:09.49 | Len_ | or LenX after me XD |
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| 06:10.01 | cylinder | Len_, and when everyone does a change to wayland and debianfork stays on X it will go well. |
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| 06:10.26 | cylinder | Len_, lol |
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| 06:11.04 | Simotek-Work | well knowone has written anything other then logind that can launch a wayland session yet so they probably don't need to worry about it |
| 06:11.20 | _00debianfork00_ | yeah, top of the heap now |
| 06:11.30 | _00debianfork00_ | all it took was a name change |
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| 06:15.41 | IlGnome | So, I am bad at linux and can't seem to figure out how to upgrade libnss3 to 3.17. Using wheezy. Anyone have some pointers? |
| 06:15.41 | LinuxGuy2020 | I have some folders on a system that I am working on. Each folder is labeled the same name as a package name to be installed on the offline machine. Im trying to write a custom bash install script for each package that will be installed with aptitude. Instead of having to manualy edit each script I would like to know if its possible to have a line in the script that says "aptitude install <name of the folder the script is inside of>". Th |
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| 06:18.26 | heurist | LinuxGuy2020: echo $0 in a script will tell you the name of the script with the path. dirname will give you the full path, you can cut that up and get what you want. |
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| 06:22.25 | LinuxGuy2020 | heurist: say I have a folder on the desktop called package-abc. In that folder is a bash script and a folder that contains a package with the same name package-abc.deb. The script copies the debs to the /var/cache/apt/archives. Then aptitude install package-abc. I want to change aptitude install package-abc.deb to say aptitude install <name-of-folder-the-script was-inside-of-when-executed>. If I copied the script to another folder called |
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| 06:24.17 | heurist | LinuxGuy2020: you got cut off at "another folder called" dirname $0 | awk -F"/" '{print $NF}' in a bash script in the /something/package-abc/ directory will say package-abc |
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| 06:25.52 | LinuxGuy2020 | heurist: What is the $0 called? Is that a global variable or bash variable? Thats what I want to read more about. |
| 06:26.01 | LinuxGuy2020 | I think |
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| 06:28.16 | heurist | LinuxGuy2020: $1, $2 and such represent the positional parameters of the command run, so they are the command line arguments. $0 is the name of the command. this is bash syntax for, what I think is, a C convention for argv |
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| 06:29.05 | LinuxGuy2020 | heurist: oh ok I guess I should have ran it in the term and I would have seen that. Thanks. |
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| 06:34.53 | heurist | LinuxGuy2020: if you add a PLACEHOLDER to your install script you can have the script that moves it out run: sed -i "s/PLACEHOLDER/$(dirname $0 | awk -F"/" '{print $NF}')/" install.sh to replace PLACEHOLDER with the name of the folder. |
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| 06:36.02 | LinuxGuy2020 | heurist: Yikes. Thats over my head right now. I need to get a book on bash scripting I think. |
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| 06:41.02 | IlGnome | oh netflix, why do you elude me |
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| 06:56.21 | donttrustem | how do I set the open file limit permanatly? |
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| 06:57.23 | donttrustem | everytime I reboot my system I have issue with mysql ERROR 23 (HY000) at line 1: Out of resources when opening file './translat_or/default_zipdist.MYD' (Er |
| 06:57.24 | donttrustem | rcode: 24 - Too many open files) |
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| 07:00.16 | somiaj | donttrustem: https://wiki.debian.org/Limits -- suggest looking at /etc/security/limits.conf or /etc/pam.d/* stuff |
| 07:00.34 | donttrustem | thanks … |
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| 07:07.47 | donttrustem | somiaj: so this should work on a rebot * hard nofile 200000 |
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| 07:08.04 | donttrustem | reboot^ |
| 07:08.09 | somiaj | donttrustem: I haven't ever done it, but those look to be the files that are used to set the limits on boot |
| 07:08.52 | donttrustem | I get the problem on reboot :) |
| 07:08.58 | donttrustem | or boot … |
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| 07:10.11 | donttrustem | I am trying to also find out what the implictions are by setting it at tht level … need to understand whta is actually happenng |
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| 07:10.42 | Scramblejams | Why when I upgrade fontconfig do all my fonts get jacked (pushed up a few point sizes) when the upgrade happens, and they don't return to their normal selves until I log out and back in? |
| 07:10.54 | Scramblejams | Been happening for years, it's finally gotten sufficiently on the nerves. |
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| 07:20.48 | vipzrx | hi ,how can i change the timezone in debian ? |
| 07:21.15 | heurist | vipzrx: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 07:22.17 | vipzrx | thx |
| 07:22.27 | vipzrx | heurist: thx |
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| 07:29.36 | vipzrx | heurist: i am new xfce , i meet the same problem as forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6345 , what should i do ? |
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| 07:30.44 | heurist | vipzrx: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 07:41.18 | rommel092079 | good pm. does debian can support HP Proliant DL380p Gen8 server? |
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| 07:43.33 | somiaj | rommel092079: you'll have to look at the hardware, but for the most part debian supports any hardware that runs on the linux kernel. Sometimes you'll need the newer linux kernel from wheezy-backports |
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| 07:52.16 | AquaL1te | does anyone run debian gnome with selinux? |
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| 07:55.42 | rommel092079 | somiaj: what hardware should I look upon? they said it supports redhat. but i would be using redhat. my choice is debian or centos |
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| 08:11.24 | AquaL1te | rommel: i missed your question, but you can find hardware support here: https://h-node.org/hardware/catalogue/en |
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| 08:15.06 | IlGnome | So, I installed libnss3 3.17 via dpkg with the hope I could then use apt-get or aptitude to update the dependancies as installing the backport wasn't working for me |
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| 08:15.43 | IlGnome | unfortunately I've hit a brick wall and can't figure out how to update the dependencies and either need help doing that, or need help reverting back to 3.14 |
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| 08:28.48 | fnoyanisi | Hi, I am getting this error whenever I run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:28.48 | fnoyanisi | http://pastebin.com/bEAfPHdw |
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| 08:28.55 | fnoyanisi | how can I get it fixed |
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| 08:30.43 | heurist | dpkg: tell fnoyanisi -about bat |
| 08:30.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | hinpeeps |
| 08:31.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi |
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| 09:12.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps can u help me please http://sprunge.us/gbQD |
| 09:12.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | weird apt error |
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| 09:14.49 | heurist | Eryn_1983_FL: paste the output of head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} |
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| 09:19.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok hang on on phone pol |
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| 09:20.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/iNJj |
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| 09:24.47 | heurist | Eryn_1983_FL: I do not see anything obviously wrong there. has this problem been going on for a while? maybe try again tomorrow and see if it is a mirror error, or try a different mirror. |
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| 09:25.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | well i noticed my usual weekly package update was not needed for a few weeks and i found this error |
| 09:26.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | why is it giving the error though somethimg has to be wrong |
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| 09:30.11 | heurist | Eryn_1983_FL: "Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file" suggest where the problem might be, but I do not see it in what you pasted. you did give the full output of the command I asked for right? that command shows more then just /etc/apt/sources.list if there are other files. |
| 09:30.18 | S4nD3r | Hi. I have a problem, every boot, my debian wheezy system stops and informs its going to single-user mode. Then, I type Ctrl+D and it runs normally in graphical mode. How can I change it? |
| 09:30.48 | heurist | dpkg: tell S4nD3r -about crosspost |
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| 09:31.20 | S4nD3r | Sorry, I didn't know about it! |
| 09:31.37 | heurist | S4nD3r: no worries. now you know. |
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| 09:32.35 | S4nD3r | grep "^id:" /etc/inittab it's id:5:initdefault like I'd like |
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| 09:34.24 | heurist | S4nD3r: did you fiddle with that setting? debian usually uses 2 for multiuser and X runlevels are an old idea that is not used much. |
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| 09:36.54 | S4nD3r | Everytime I need to type Ctrl+D |
| 09:37.05 | S4nD3r | It's in virtual terminal 7 |
| 09:38.24 | heurist | S4nD3r: is there a message "explaining" why it went to single user? is not not maintenance mode due to some error. maybe set inittab back to the default and see if that helps. |
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| 09:39.19 | S4nD3r | I didn't find explaining message |
| 09:39.33 | S4nD3r | Now I'm trying to find something informing error in syslog |
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| 09:42.09 | S4nD3r | I'll reboot and look for something in maintenance mode |
| 09:42.11 | S4nD3r | back soon |
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| 09:43.27 | yesi | hi. |
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| 09:45.07 | yesi | i'd like to know why i can't find "/usr/bin/usewithtor" from the torsocks v2.0.0-3 on Debian. The old version, it does existe. |
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| 09:46.30 | heurist | yesi: what does dpkg -L torsocks say? use a pastebin |
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| 09:48.17 | heurist | yesi: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 09:51.23 | yesi | heurist: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/7432098 |
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| 09:54.05 | heurist | yesi: that version is not in stable, but 2.0.0-1~bpo70+1 from wheezy-backports is also missing that file. maybe it does not exist in version 2 only in version 1 which is in wheezy proper. I do not have answers, just more questions. sorry |
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| 09:56.16 | yesi | heurist: thank you for your feeback |
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| 10:05.59 | subzero_0 | I installed jessie-xfce on qemu, some element are not showed correctly ... I use kvm -hda disk -m 1024 |
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| 10:07.24 | tasse | Hi, I just installed debian (without any wm) - how do I get aninternet connection? (tried wifi but it seems there is no wpasupplicant, tried wired but 'ip link set eth0 up' doesnt work) |
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| 10:09.02 | tasse | (i had a connection when I installed it, the installer somehow connected to the wifi but i dunno how) |
| 10:09.17 | relaxed | tasse: https://wiki.debian.org/Network |
| 10:09.23 | babilen | tasse: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 10:09.39 | babilen | And yes, you will have to install wpasupplicant if you want to use that. |
| 10:10.16 | tasse | yeh but therefore i need internet :> so i think i have to use the cable |
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| 10:10.27 | tasse_ | but thanks :) |
| 10:10.30 | tasse_ | checking it out |
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| 10:11.47 | babilen | Depending on the image you use wpasupplicant should be on the CD so you could add that with apt-cdrom and take it from there. (I guess it is available on most if not all, but haven't checked) |
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| 10:12.47 | tasse_ | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Setting_up_an_Ethernet_Interface <- my installation says "auto: command not found" :O |
| 10:13.07 | tasse_ | ah sorry |
| 10:13.09 | tasse_ | i am stupid |
| 10:13.10 | tasse_ | forget it |
| 10:13.29 | babilen | forgot it already |
| 10:15.13 | tasse_ | reading is hard :P works now, thank ou |
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| 10:21.04 | g00se | I have some acpi errors with a Jessie laptop. Am i right in thinking these might indicate a buggy bios? http://sprunge.us/WbOY |
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| 10:46.30 | petn-randall | g00se: Yes, likely. Do you see any symptoms from that? Like problems hibernating or suspending, etc.? |
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| 10:52.56 | osfe | jessie is frozen ?? |
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| 10:53.08 | subzero_0 | what ? |
| 10:53.17 | subzero_0 | how ? |
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| 10:54.03 | heurist | osfe: yes, jessie is in freeze. |
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| 10:54.09 | petn-randall | osfe: That's what the news says, yes. |
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| 10:54.35 | subzero_0 | free == development stopped ? |
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| 10:55.30 | heurist | dpkg: tell subzero_0 -about freeze |
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| 10:56.41 | osfe | that's good news |
| 10:57.03 | osfe | I guess it should be good to use it in, say few month ? |
| 10:57.07 | subzero_0 | heurist: thank you |
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| 10:57.58 | heurist | osfe: it will be ready when it is ready. |
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| 10:58.57 | osfe | heurist: yeees, I know... that's not what I said |
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| 10:59.13 | osfe | I said it should be ok to move to jessie quite safely in a few month |
| 10:59.39 | heurist | osfe: once it is stable, sure. |
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| 11:13.05 | iulhk | can anybody guide about this issue "http://paste.linuxassist.net/view/64f2a7e1"? |
| 11:13.47 | heurist | dpkg: tell iulhk -about crosspost |
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| 11:18.54 | bael | hi |
| 11:18.56 | bael | someone awake |
| 11:19.06 | heurist | !ask |
| 11:19.07 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:19.10 | bael | I have slow samba, slow ftp speed etc. |
| 11:19.27 | bael | but iperf is performing very good. had 80mbit wlan and 1gbit lan. |
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| 11:20.36 | bael | I have a debian server and I am communicating with it from my laptop. mounted samba shares on the laptop and I get 1mb/s speed on wlan and 6mb/s on lan |
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| 11:20.40 | bael | its terrible |
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| 11:26.08 | heurist | bael: 6MBps is about all you can get out of samba on a 100mb LAN. |
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| 11:26.49 | bael | heurist, its a gbit lan :/ |
| 11:27.15 | heurist | bael: you sure *everything* between you can the server is GBE? |
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| 11:27.57 | bael | heurist, I tried iperf. on WLAN I got 80mbit/s ... on Lan I got 1000mbit/s |
| 11:28.08 | bael | iperf between debian server and my laptop |
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| 11:29.08 | bael | heurist, is this a yes to your question? can I relay on iperf? |
| 11:29.48 | heurist | bael: maybe samba is being CPU bound? watch top on the server and client to make sure. I have little confidence in iperf, check all the hardware. |
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| 11:30.53 | Szwagier | tooorbieollllllll hahahahah |
| 11:31.34 | Szwagier | ej torba |
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| 11:31.57 | erqrte | torba anal |
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| 11:32.30 | bael | heurist, I transfered a file now and checked top. cpu was around 6% and no threads where at the top |
| 11:32.45 | bael | *no samba threads |
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| 11:33.45 | heurist | bael: strange, it does not look like CPU then. your figure is so close to what you would get from 100mb LAN that I still think something is going on there. |
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| 11:37.12 | bael | heurist, my cables are cat6. my network card is gbit, my router is gbit. I don't know what else I could look at |
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| 11:39.09 | anao3 | @bael check the the kernel uses the correct driver with lspci lsmod |
| 11:39.35 | anao3 | often realtek is wrong seen and install all firmwares |
| 11:40.20 | bael | how do I check that? :> |
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| 11:44.45 | hojgaard | Hello folks.. Im having trouble setting up static ip configuration in preseed... Can anyone help me here. It seems that "d-i netcfg/disable_dhcp boolean true" does not work... |
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| 11:52.04 | hojgaard | anyone online? |
| 11:52.09 | kevc | if I'm using xen on Debian, should I be able to boot a domU from the grub menu? |
| 11:52.22 | kevc | As in boot it without using Xen |
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| 12:57.56 | g00se | ut i have Jessie and the bios update is a P32 executable |
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| 13:27.58 | bael | hey folks |
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| 13:28.44 | bael | how do I see if I am using the right drivers for my network card? |
| 13:29.15 | vlt | bael: Does it work? ;-) |
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| 13:32.40 | daniel-s_ | http://i.imgur.com/h4yWgJ1.gif |
| 13:32.56 | daniel-s_ | Does somebody mind playing that .gif in Iceweasel. |
| 13:33.00 | daniel-s_ | It doesn't work for me. |
| 13:33.22 | bael | vlt, yes but I get very poor speeds |
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| 13:34.09 | petn-randall | daniel-s_: hahaha |
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| 13:34.32 | mnw94 | Hey |
| 13:34.51 | mnw94 | Could someone help me get started with internationalization |
| 13:34.57 | bael | vlt, 2mb/s with samba using Wlan and 6mb/s when using LAN... iperf I got 8mb/s WLANand 100mb/s using LAN |
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| 13:40.30 | DelphiWorld | hello;) |
| 13:40.40 | DelphiWorld | where's grub.conf in wheezy 7.7? |
| 13:41.46 | heurist | DelphiWorld: /etc/default/grub or /boot/grub/grub.cfg depends which one your want. |
| 13:42.11 | DelphiWorld | heurist: i have a problem with a hp server |
| 13:42.13 | DelphiWorld | dl380 |
| 13:42.20 | DelphiWorld | the grub dont setup properly... |
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| 13:44.09 | bael | vlt, u here? |
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| 13:44.28 | heurist | bael: to check that it is not samba that is slow, you can use netcat (the bsd one, not the traditional one) and run: nc -l 4444 > /dev/null on the machine with the slower hard drive, and then time nc thatmachine 4444 < large.file on the other one with a largish file, see how long it takes to copy and then compare that to how long it took to copy using samba. do both at least twice to account for error. |
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| 13:47.10 | Mahjongg | hi, what is software update tool called? I'd like to run it from shell |
| 13:47.12 | duckduckBam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:47.26 | bael | heurist, so nc -l 4444 > /dev/null on the debian server? where the samba is installed |
| 13:48.31 | heurist | bael: do the -l on the one with the slowest drive, so that you can ignore drive speed in the equations as much as possible. samba is not involved in this. |
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| 13:48.55 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: DL380 which generation? the first one, no "G3" or "G5" or "G8p"? |
| 13:49.05 | heurist | Mahjongg: apt-get or aptitude |
| 13:49.24 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home jelly G6 |
| 13:49.34 | Mahjongg | heurist, sorry I meant the Gnome UI that spawns when there is an update |
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| 13:50.16 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: how does install-grub /dev/sda fail? Is it /dev/sda or /dev/cciss/c0d0? |
| 13:50.20 | somiaj | Mahjongg: apt-get update (updates the packges form your sources) then apt-get upgrade |
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| 13:50.59 | ChrisH | What is the postfix equivalent to exim -bt user@domain.tld ?? From my searching around there is none. |
| 13:51.15 | dawiba | Mahjongg: gpk-update-viewer |
| 13:51.29 | petemc | ChrisH: there wasnt last time i checked either |
| 13:51.34 | Mahjongg | dawiba, thank you |
| 13:51.51 | somiaj | Mahjongg: on stable there are some various packges that do this, update-notifier, but they all do it using apt, so the commands we gave you will update and the upgrade your packages. |
| 13:52.25 | Mahjongg | somiaj, heurist thank you. gpk-update-viewer was what I meant |
| 13:52.33 | duckduckBam | test test test |
| 13:52.35 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: I think DL380 G6 uses the new drivers for SmartArray controller, so the first array ought to be /dev/sda, but I'm not really sure |
| 13:52.37 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: /dev/cciss/c0d0 |
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| 13:56.28 | astr | IlGnome, I'd like to here your desires for a dream VOD service? |
| 13:57.43 | vlt | bael: 100 Mbit/s looks fine to me (assuming it's not a Gigabit NIC). |
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| 14:02.07 | bael | vlt, its a gbit network :> |
| 14:02.10 | bael | :( |
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| 14:02.28 | bael | heurist, I send you some results |
| 14:02.34 | heurist | dpkg: tell bael -about msg |
| 14:03.22 | bael | sorry :> |
| 14:03.29 | bael | I didnt want to flood here |
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| 14:04.05 | bael | http://pastebin.com/CwfGWuL0 |
| 14:05.05 | heurist | bael: you did not, there is no reference to the size of the file transferred and it was too small to be of use, find something that is large enough to take some many seconds. |
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| 14:05.58 | bael | heurist, It's 3 gb big. |
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| 14:06.21 | bael | heurist, http://pastebin.com/CwfGWuL0 |
| 14:06.24 | bael | ah |
| 14:06.32 | bael | heurist, 2956066816 Oct 19 15:59 Mario MULTi ROM.iso |
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| 14:07.07 | ChrisH | petemc: another reason not to use postfix |
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| 14:07.50 | heurist | bael: and it tool 0.006 seconds? for 3Gb, something is not right. |
| 14:07.58 | tytan | Do I have to configure Cron-Daemon? |
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| 14:09.19 | IlGnome | astr: I think I'm just going to wipe the netbook of debian wheezy and move to debian jessie. libnss3 has beaten me. |
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| 14:10.18 | Brigo | IlGnome, you better upgrade to jessie, the jessie installer is testing and can fail. |
| 14:10.29 | bael | heurist, I did nc -l 4444 > /dev/null on the debian server where I have samba and the slowest harddrive. Then I did "time nc 192.168.1.4 4444 < bigfile " on my laptop where I have ssd disk. |
| 14:10.50 | IlGnome | Brigo: I didn't realize I could upgrade to jessie, thought it had to be a fresh install |
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| 14:11.58 | heurist | bael: and 192.168.1.4 is the server? you can not be sending 3Gig over the network on 6 miliseconds and be complaining about speed. something is not right with your measurements. |
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| 14:13.40 | bael | heurist, yes 192.168.1.4 is the server where I did "nc -l 4444 > /dev/null " |
| 14:13.56 | Brigo | IlGnome, it had not to be a fresh install, but a fresh install is better as far as there are less chances of fail. |
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| 14:18.46 | bael | heurist, I tried to pipe to a file and see if there is any size on it but its 0 bytes |
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| 14:19.45 | heurist | bael: 0 bytes in 6 miliseconds makes sense, use a bigger file. 3Gb should take a bit less than 30 seconds on GBE |
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| 14:20.16 | vlt | bael: Could you please remove hard drives, file systems and caches from the equation by just nc'ing /dev/zero on machine A to /dev/null on machine B? |
| 14:21.11 | vlt | bael: What did iperf say (and why do you have no confidence in it)? |
| 14:21.13 | bael | heurist, no I mean the pipe on the server > dev/null.. changed that to > myfile.file .. and myfile.file is 0 byte. means nothing was transfered from my laptop to my debian server. |
| 14:22.09 | heurist | bael: what does nc -v say on both sides? make sure you are not using a strange nc |
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| 14:23.20 | bael | heurist, nc -v on laptop http://pastebin.com/j2CWaRFk |
| 14:23.44 | bael | and on the server: bael@debian:~$ nc -v |
| 14:23.44 | bael | no destination |
| 14:24.43 | bael | vlt, iperf said it was very good.. got 80mbit/s with WLAN and 1000mbit/s with LAN |
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| 14:25.34 | raymondooo | stats p |
| 14:25.37 | heurist | bael: netcat-openbsd is good, "no destination" is worrying, especially since you are getting different results on the two machines. I give up. |
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| 14:31.28 | alpha12 | Hello, I recently installed debian on my laptop and I'm experiencing some problems like mouse pointer inconsistency and gnome failed to load errors |
| 14:31.42 | bael | heurist, I did "nc bar.example.com 60000 < qux.txt" on server and "time nc 192.168.1.4 60000 < blabla" on the laptop. And it works.. coping data now |
| 14:31.47 | alpha12 | More information with .xession-error: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/169238/problems-with-debian-wheezy-installation |
| 14:31.56 | alpha12 | Can somebody help? |
| 14:33.06 | alpha12 | I have a nividia graphics card. |
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| 14:36.58 | heurist | bael: a 3gig file at 100mbps should be done about nowish. 1gbps should have been done a while ago. |
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| 14:41.46 | bael | heurist, are u there? |
| 14:42.01 | bael | real6m13.243s |
| 14:42.01 | bael | user0m0.804s |
| 14:42.02 | bael | sys0m39.234s |
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| 14:42.12 | bael | this is what it took to transfer a 3gb file |
| 14:42.15 | heurist | bael: that is 100mbps |
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| 14:42.37 | heurist | bael: which lines up with your samba speeds. |
| 14:42.46 | bael | heurist, I am using my WLAN now maybe I should try LAN |
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| 14:43.50 | bael | heurist, here is LAN |
| 14:43.52 | bael | real6m13.243s |
| 14:43.52 | bael | user0m0.804s |
| 14:43.52 | bael | sys0m39.234s |
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| 14:44.10 | bael | sry |
| 14:44.18 | bael | real0m25.360s |
| 14:44.18 | bael | user0m0.500s |
| 14:44.27 | bael | and sys0m10.417s |
| 14:44.29 | bael | bit faster |
| 14:44.36 | bael | is this more like gbit? |
| 14:44.52 | heurist | bael: there is only one time. 6m13 (no need to paste the rest), which is still 100mbps. |
| 14:45.16 | bael | real 0m25.360s |
| 14:45.17 | heurist | bael: ah, 25s yes, that is gbe |
| 14:45.18 | alpha12 | Hello anybody |
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| 14:45.51 | heurist | bael: samba is slow, try nfs instead and see how it goes. |
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| 14:47.10 | Shadow_7 | depends what is on the other end. The write speed of the media might be a limiting factor |
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| 14:47.50 | factor | Does anyone use the cisco vpn client in here? I have it patched and compiled trying to run it but says it cant read my profile pcf. |
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| 14:48.49 | bael | heurist, what about ftp? |
| 14:48.58 | heurist | bael: ew! |
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| 14:50.01 | bael | heurist, I am just interested to find where the problem is so I can e.g buy a new router, network card etc. So if netcat is performing nice then the router is good? |
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| 14:51.07 | Shadow_7 | if you can send it to a ramdisk you could probably rule out storage i/o |
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| 14:51.15 | heurist | bael: yeah, router and cables look ok, from that nc test and your iperf test before. samba is slow though. look at nfs and see if it helps. nfs without kerberos is simple to set up. |
| 14:51.31 | heurist | Shadow_7: we have done that. |
| 14:51.55 | woshty | factor: run with debug options? what mode bits are set on the file? (I faintly remember something about that ..) |
| 14:51.59 | bael | heurist, I tried nfs a couple of months ago and it was pritty much the same. |
| 14:52.03 | adamk | can test |
| 14:52.05 | Shadow_7 | does the mii-tools stuff work on gbe? |
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| 14:52.15 | Sia- | hi |
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| 14:52.34 | Sia- | is the lghttpd on debian broken? |
| 14:52.35 | Sia- | http://pastie.org/9734587 |
| 14:52.42 | jelly-home | Shadow_7: ethtool probably works better |
| 14:52.43 | heurist | bael: ignore that then. try time cat fileoneserver > /dev/null |
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| 14:53.26 | factor | woshty, let me see. |
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| 14:53.53 | adamk | younow been act up texting message failed says null block |
| 14:54.00 | factor | woshty, its read across the board 644 for my user but Im running as root |
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| 14:54.19 | Sia- | debian 64bit |
| 14:54.37 | woshty | factor: try setting it read only for just root or something like that .. |
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| 14:54.56 | factor | woshty, iok also saw where I may have to change auth to 3 from 1 |
| 14:55.15 | bael | heurist, Can I paste result in pm? |
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| 14:55.32 | heurist | bael: no, just tell us the real number |
| 14:55.52 | woshty | factor: Has been some time since I used it, not sure .. |
| 14:55.58 | factor | ok |
| 14:56.02 | bael | heurist, real0m18.690s |
| 14:56.02 | bael | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.16 | bael | sorry 1.7gb! |
| 14:57.29 | adamk | been fixing message failed. |
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| 14:58.32 | heurist | bael: ah, I was dubious about that speed, but that is still gbe. that is over samba? then you have no problem with the network. try time cp fileoneserver locationonclien to see if your drive is the issue. |
| 14:59.41 | bael | heurist, I did that on that server drive which I share ẃith samba |
| 15:00.26 | heurist | bael: huh? |
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| 15:02.16 | heurist | bael: now copy a file from the server to the drive on your laptop. see how long that takes. see if your laptop's drive is the problem. if it takes the same sort of time then you are getting gbe speeds and we can call this game "over". |
| 15:02.18 | bael | heurist, I did cp ... > /dev/null on that drive where I have all my content. That drive is used by samba .. I share that drive :> |
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| 15:02.51 | bael | heurist, Did that now, sec :> |
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| 15:03.22 | adamk | when message says errors code 133 (2). don't know how to fix errors. |
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| 15:08.59 | heurist | bael: it has been long enough to copy a 3gig file at 6MBps, so if it was not done a few minutes ago your drive is the culprit. |
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| 15:11.50 | bael | heurist, 1.7GB from my samba share to my pc: real8m32.419s |
| 15:12.26 | heurist | bael: so share to /dev/null is fast, share to drive is slow. there is your answer. |
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| 15:13.36 | bael | heurist, u mean my laptop hd is bad? |
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| 15:14.00 | bael | heurist, real0m5.125s |
| 15:14.00 | bael | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.05 | ravigehlot | I am completely puzzled. I own a DELL VOSTRO 3400 that has Hybrid Graphics. The GPU is Intel and the discreet video is NVIDIA 310M. Grub is set to nouveau.modeset=0 with res at 1024x768. Grub was updated, I reboot...the booting process starts off at 1028x768. Then, midway through the booting process it drops down to 640x480. I checked /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch and I noticed that the discreet (NVIDIA) was power |
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| 15:14.48 | bael | heurist, my hd on debian share is fine.. my hd on my laptop is fine.. my router is fine, my cables are fine. I don't know where else to look :) |
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| 15:15.30 | heurist | bael: is that not obvious? when you copy to the drive it takes a very long time. 1.7Gb in 8.5mins is not good. when you exclude the drive it is fast, 18seconds. |
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| 15:16.59 | bael | heurist, no I dont understand. Both drives are fine? |
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| 15:17.10 | waqstar | so via apt-get i can downloaded openssh server. but i want to check the integrity of my /usr/sbin/sshd binary. how can i get the original binary which is downloaded via apt? |
| 15:17.46 | heurist | bael: that is not what you are telling me. if you copy to the drive it takes minutes. if you do not use the drive it takes seconds. |
| 15:18.19 | ChrisH | waqstar: all debian packages are signed and integrity check is done during installation. |
| 15:18.25 | KaaK | are there any docs on how debian's ARM ports deal with arm specific runtime files like device tree blobs? |
| 15:18.34 | bael | heurist, I copied from mysambashare to my drive and it took ages yes. |
| 15:19.04 | bael | heurist, I just tried time cp mariorom.iso marior2.iso on my laptop drive. real0m14.056s |
| 15:19.07 | heurist | bael: yes, and when you copy from the share to /dev/null it is fast, that is a clear answer. |
| 15:19.11 | bael | that is 3gb file |
| 15:19.56 | ChrisH | bael: writing _TO_ a disk has a different performance over reading _FROM_ a disk... and reading and writing to the same disk spindle makes it worse. |
| 15:20.12 | heurist | bael: your numbers keep changing. also remember to include sync in your timings on local copies. |
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| 15:21.04 | cacaphony | What does Debian (Jessie, to be specific) use to automount a usb stick when it's inserted? |
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| 15:21.52 | bael | heurist, I think there is some missunderstanding :) |
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| 15:22.13 | waqstar | ChrisH: but what if it was modified/replaced after the install. i installed a few weeks ago. what happeneed was that i tried to connect - the prompt connects then disapears. so i checked via console and there was a segfault error 5. so i had to reboot |
| 15:22.22 | bael | heurist, I copied to dev/null and I copied from to same hd.. the speeds on both drives are fast. more the gbit .. |
| 15:22.48 | bael | heurist, When I copy from my share to my drive then the speeds are slow. and that is the inital problem |
| 15:23.04 | heurist | bael: try sync ; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches ; time (time cp mariorom.iso marior2.iso ; sync) |
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| 15:24.03 | ChrisH | waqstar: you should be able to download the deb from https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages manually and unpack it eg. via one of the filemanager tools. |
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| 15:24.53 | cacaphony | When I insert my usb stick, it gets mounted but I don't have write permission unless I'm root. How can I fix this? |
| 15:24.57 | cacaphony | I don't use any Desktop Environment. |
| 15:25.05 | waqstar | ChrisH: thanks :) |
| 15:25.19 | bael | heurist, on both disks? |
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| 15:25.41 | heurist | bael: just on the client (laptop) for now. |
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| 15:27.20 | bael | heurist, sudo sync ; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches ; time (time cp mariorom.iso marior2.iso ; sync) |
| 15:27.20 | bael | bash: /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches: Permission denied |
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| 15:27.53 | heurist | bael: try sync ; echo 3 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches ; time (time cp mariorom.iso marior2.iso ; sync) |
| 15:28.26 | bael | heurist, No command 'try' found, did you mean: |
| 15:28.32 | bael | ah |
| 15:28.33 | bael | haha |
| 15:30.52 | bael | heurist, real0m17.856s |
| 15:30.52 | bael | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.04 | waqstar | ChrisH: checked it. md5 is same as in source. PHEW. so it was just a crash not a comprise |
| 15:31.50 | heurist | bael: I have no idea then. drives are fast, network is fast, share is fast, share to drive is slow. I give up. |
| 15:32.11 | bael | :( |
| 15:32.32 | bael | thank you very much for your help |
| 15:32.40 | bael | I was about to order a new router |
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| 15:32.44 | bael | then I dont need that |
| 15:32.51 | bael | It will most likley be the same |
| 15:32.59 | bael | maybe I should order a new server :p |
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| 15:46.06 | sambagirl | good morning. i was curious whether there is a debian desktop tablet version? the reason i am asking is because microsoft store is opening here a nd they are selling toshiba envoy 2 tablets for 99$ and i would replace widows 8.1 with something i like. |
| 15:47.17 | g00se | Yes, you don't want 'widows' ;) You want to use touch? |
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| 15:48.28 | g00se | Is it possible to work around a buggy laptop bios that won't charge the battery or is that just a dream? |
| 15:49.49 | ChrisH | waqstar: good to know |
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| 15:50.05 | sambagirl | yes i would want to use touch g00se |
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| 15:50.35 | sambagirl | no i dont want windows i only use windows for games and i've gotten away from that via steam and wine |
| 15:51.03 | g00se | I'm guessing that's not highly developed (or 'ready') yet, but i could be wrong |
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| 15:52.56 | sambagirl | you mean the tablet? |
| 15:53.09 | g00se | I mean touch support |
| 15:53.54 | g00se | Presumably you want Debian? |
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| 15:53.58 | markotitel | g00se, don't you think maybe battery itself is a problem? |
| 15:54.33 | g00se | markotitel: Actually no. I just took it out and recharged it nicely in another laptop |
| 15:54.38 | sambagirl | yes |
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| 15:55.08 | sambagirl | well its mostly experimentation |
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| 15:56.03 | g00se | I don't know how far Gnome has got into touch, as i don't use it. There could be other desktops maybe |
| 15:56.08 | sambagirl | this is the special |
| 15:56.12 | sambagirl | https://www.facebook.com/events/915261385169921/ |
| 15:56.34 | cmhobbs | i'm running stable with xfce 4.8, i've added backports to my sources (which apparently has 4.10). how can i upgrade from 4.8 to 4.10 using backports? |
| 15:56.49 | cmhobbs | apt-cache yields lots of packages with xfce in their name but none of them specify versions |
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| 15:57.58 | g00se | If you've got your eye on some hardware you really need to check out basic driver support first |
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| 15:58.14 | gernot | cmhobbs, as far as I can see, Xfce 4.10 is not in backports. |
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| 15:59.21 | Llama052 | anyone know what the acvd process does? |
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| 15:59.33 | cmhobbs | gernot, i think you're right. i was looking at the wrong package info |
| 15:59.44 | cmhobbs | i saw the appfinder for jessie and noticed 4.10 |
| 15:59.49 | cmhobbs | i guess i'll build it from source, then |
| 16:00.29 | g00se | cmhobbs: What's the big advantage? |
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| 16:01.38 | cmhobbs | g00gz, i like the new application finder, also the "tiling" options (drag a window to the side of the screen and it snaps to half the size of the screen) |
| 16:01.45 | cmhobbs | er |
| 16:01.48 | cmhobbs | g00se, ^^ |
| 16:02.09 | g00se | Sounds a bit like TIFKAM ;) |
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| 16:03.01 | cmhobbs | g00se, the expanded application finder is the third image here: http://xfce.org/about/tour |
| 16:03.21 | cmhobbs | TIFKAM? |
| 16:03.38 | g00se | Windows 8 'Metro' |
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| 16:04.25 | g00se | You might find your system is better integrated and stabler by going to Jessie rather than compiling xfce4 |
| 16:04.53 | cmhobbs | g00se, all the packages have been fine so far |
| 16:05.00 | g00se | has never understood why it's necessary to _find_ applications |
| 16:05.03 | cmhobbs | xfce is the only one that i wasn't happy with |
| 16:05.11 | cmhobbs | i don't mind older versions of things |
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| 16:05.34 | cmhobbs | well, xfce4 and emacs, but i always build emacs from source |
| 16:05.37 | g00se | I think you might have missed my point |
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| 16:05.48 | cmhobbs | probably |
| 16:06.00 | cmhobbs | and i believe that the snap tiling has existed in other wm's before metro |
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| 16:06.59 | cmhobbs | anyway, everything works great so far |
| 16:07.06 | cmhobbs | what could break by building xfce from source? |
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| 16:07.38 | g00se | Shell integration? |
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| 16:08.07 | sandman13 | g00se: you remind me of an incident where I left my laptop open and no one could access it as they couldn't find an icon to click or search box |
| 16:08.45 | cmhobbs | g00se, i don't think i follow |
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| 16:09.48 | g00se | sandman13: That wouldn't surprise me |
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| 16:12.26 | g00se | The same thing happens with browsers. The address bar is actually redundant for a lot of users. If there's no search window, they can't get to a site |
| 16:12.57 | g00se | is not suggesting that applies to anyone here ;) |
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| 16:14.21 | the8thbit|work | Hello, I am trying to compile apt from source and I am getting this error when I run make: |
| 16:14.23 | the8thbit|work | checking for curl_easy_init in -lcurl... no |
| 16:14.23 | the8thbit|work | configure: error: failed: I need CURL due https support |
| 16:14.23 | the8thbit|work | make: *** [build/config.status] Error 1 |
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| 16:14.38 | the8thbit|work | I'm sorry for the flood :( |
| 16:14.45 | abrotman | why are you compiling it? |
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| 16:15.21 | the8thbit|work | abrotman: I work at a company that develops mostly ARM-based single board computers running a custom rolled minimalist gnu/linux distribution and a custom linux kernel. These devices do not have a package management system on them yet, so they are fairly limited. While right now I am compiling apt for x86_64, my goal is to eventually cross compile for arm and scp the binaries to the board I'm playing with |
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| 16:15.57 | abrotman | the8thbit|work: apt-cache -- search curl -dev |
| 16:16.56 | the8thbit|work | abrotman: that gave me this: http://pastebin.com/TTv2GBqn |
| 16:17.12 | the8thbit|work | which curl gives me /usr/bin/curl btw |
| 16:17.42 | abrotman | it's not asking you for a binary, it's asking you for development headers |
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| 16:17.51 | the8thbit|work | Ah ha |
| 16:17.55 | abrotman | so you probably want the first result |
| 16:18.05 | the8thbit|work | so I need to install what, curl-dev? |
| 16:18.27 | the8thbit|work | thats not I real thing I realize |
| 16:18.58 | the8thbit|work | libcurl-dev? |
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| 16:19.46 | abrotman | does that look like the package name for the first result? |
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| 16:20.03 | tytan | do I have to configure the cron-deamon? |
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| 16:20.48 | abrotman | tytan: configure it to do what? |
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| 16:21.13 | the8thbit|work | abrotman: I installed the openSSL flavor... does it matter which I choose? I assume its a choice between OpenSSL and GNUtls... theres also NSS but I've never heard of that |
| 16:21.15 | tytan | abrotman: I wrote an update script and want it to be done weekly |
| 16:21.34 | abrotman | the8thbit|work: that's a legal question, ask your lawyer |
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| 16:21.41 | abrotman | tytan: to update packages? |
| 16:21.56 | the8thbit|work | abrotman: in other words, openssl is permissive? |
| 16:22.09 | tytan | abrotman: apt-get update, dist-upgrade and autoclean |
| 16:22.18 | abrotman | dpkg: tell the8thbit|work about why gnutls |
| 16:22.29 | abrotman | tytan: look at cron-apt or apticron, see if they do what you need |
| 16:22.36 | abrotman | (instead of rolling your own) |
| 16:23.15 | tytan | abrotman: thank you |
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| 16:24.00 | the8thbit|work | I ran out of alloted pastebin pastes... but I'm getting this error now: http://codepad.org/xWo6Qxuu |
| 16:24.07 | daavviii | heyo, my server crashed, what log should I look? |
| 16:24.38 | daavviii | and I suspect it's because of the memory consumption, in my kern.log there is something about it. (the server actually froze, not crashed) |
| 16:24.47 | petn-randall | the8thbit|work: We have a perfectly fine paste service at http://paste.debian.net. :) |
| 16:24.53 | daavviii | how can I understand the many things that are in "top" and "ps aux" oO |
| 16:25.12 | abrotman | !b-e the8thbit|work |
| 16:25.13 | dpkg | the8thbit|work: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 16:25.18 | the8thbit|work | petn-randall: Thanks! I tried using that and it gave me an error, but I'll give it another go later |
| 16:25.36 | abrotman | daavviii: start with Essential System Administration from Oreilly |
| 16:26.29 | daavviii | I don't want to buy a book |
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| 16:26.43 | daavviii | and this is not my job, I want the fast answer :) |
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| 16:27.00 | petn-randall | daavviii: Install atop and check if you see something red. |
| 16:27.13 | the8thbit|work | abrotman: thanks, I installed g++ and installed build-essential and now I'm getting this error: http://paste.debian.net/132830/ |
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| 16:27.37 | the8thbit|work | it doesn't look like gtest is the name of a package |
| 16:27.44 | petn-randall | daavviii: Showing us the entries in kern.log would also help us. |
| 16:27.52 | daavviii | well my terminal is not in color so how can i see something red : D |
| 16:27.57 | abrotman | the8thbit|work: Have you read any docs about compiling packages from source? |
| 16:28.24 | the8thbit|work | abrotman: I read the docs for apt. They said that they use an autoconf, so all you need to do is run make |
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| 16:28.38 | abrotman | dpkg: tell the8thbit|work about package recompile |
| 16:28.41 | daavviii | right before the crash I got those two lines in kern.log : |
| 16:28.41 | the8thbit|work | but normally I would just run ./configure make and make install |
| 16:28.41 | daavviii | Nov 21 13:25:33 ks358882 kernel: Out of memory: Kill process 2255 (lwresd) score 3 or sacrifice child Nov 21 13:25:33 ks358882 kernel: Killed process 2255 (lwresd) total-vm:107296kB, anon-rss:6808kB, file-rss:0kB |
| 16:28.47 | abrotman | the8thbit|work: that's not how it works |
| 16:28.53 | abrotman | daavviii: so your system didn't crash |
| 16:29.00 | daavviii | it froze actually |
| 16:29.02 | daavviii | had to hard reboot |
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| 16:29.21 | g00se | Is it conceivable that there's a live distro that's very generous about working around bios bugs (some kind of 'generous kernel'?) that will allow a laptop battery to be charged |
| 16:29.31 | the8thbit|work | abrotman: dpkg didn't talk to me, so I dont know what info you're trying to direct me to |
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| 16:29.41 | abrotman | the8thbit|work: dpkg did talk to you, you have to find it |
| 16:29.49 | the8thbit|work | oh shit thanks |
| 16:29.52 | abrotman | (unless you've put the bot on /ignore) |
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| 16:34.34 | cmhobbs | i don't see any pulseaudio processes. what does wheezy use to control audio and is there a preferred gui application for managing it? |
| 16:34.43 | cmhobbs | sorry for all the questions today, i'm just getting myself oriented |
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| 16:36.11 | the8thbit|work | abrotman: okay, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to put for the address and arguments in the deb-src line |
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| 16:36.20 | cra1g321 | cmhobbs , i dont think wheezy comes with pulseaudio installed |
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| 16:36.22 | the8thbit|work | abrotman: would the address just be the git repo or...? |
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| 16:36.55 | abrotman | the8thbit|work: no, no thte git repo |
| 16:37.11 | abrotman | dpkg: tell the8thbit|work about deb-src |
| 16:37.16 | the8thbit|work | yeah, I didn't think so |
| 16:37.17 | the8thbit|work | thanks |
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| 16:38.41 | cmhobbs | cra1g321, it doesn't but something is making my sound work |
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| 16:38.57 | cmhobbs | i haven't used anything other than pulse in years, so i'm trying to figure out the best way to control it with a gui |
| 16:38.58 | the8thbit|work | abrotman: So I'd want to add something like deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy to my sources list? I understand that that will add debian repos to my repo list for apt, but I don't understand how that affects my build process. Could you explain what this is doing? |
| 16:39.06 | cmhobbs | my volume keys on my keyboard work but i'd like to see the setup |
| 16:39.08 | cra1g321 | cmhobbs it will be ALSA |
| 16:39.12 | abrotman | the8thbit|work: that will add debina *source* repos |
| 16:39.22 | waynr | the8thbit|work: howdy stranger |
| 16:39.30 | cmhobbs | i don't see jack, alsa, or pulseaudio running |
| 16:39.34 | the8thbit|work | waynr: hey there person I've never met before |
| 16:39.48 | the8thbit|work | waynr: I'm trying to get apt-get on the boards :) |
| 16:39.58 | the8thbit|work | or rather, all of apt, I guess |
| 16:40.33 | cmhobbs | alsamixer appears to work though |
| 16:40.33 | waynr | anyone know if it's possible within a rules file to determine which distro or release a package is being installed on? |
| 16:40.59 | abrotman | waynr: which rules? |
| 16:41.06 | the8thbit|work | abrotman: I see... so does the autoconfiguration need to pull code from there at some point? Is that where the test code is? |
| 16:41.12 | abrotman | waynr: debian/rules when building a package? |
| 16:41.18 | waynr | abrotman: yeah |
| 16:41.25 | abrotman | dpkg: tell waynr about mentors |
| 16:41.33 | abrotman | the8thbit|work: the test code? |
| 16:41.51 | the8thbit|work | abrotman: The error I was getting was that gtest wasn't around or something |
| 16:41.58 | the8thbit|work | which I assume are unit tests or something |
| 16:42.09 | abrotman | the8thbit|work: did you read what the bot sent you about compiling a source package? |
| 16:43.01 | the8thbit|work | abrotman: oh, I see.. you're trying to get me to build through aptitude rather than from the git repo? |
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| 16:43.24 | abrotman | yes, why would you biuld from git? |
| 16:43.45 | the8thbit|work | abrotman: Am I going to be able to cross compile if I build from aptitude? |
| 16:44.04 | the8thbit|work | also, can I use aptitude to do a local install? |
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| 16:44.28 | waynr | the8thbit|work: you want to be able to install arbitrary debian packages on an OE distro on the boards? |
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| 16:44.56 | the8thbit|work | waynr: Yeah, I don't know how feasible that is, but it would be really cool |
| 16:45.11 | the8thbit|work | waynr: and someone said something about that being something they want to do at some point |
| 16:45.18 | the8thbit|work | ...some |
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| 16:45.39 | lf94 | Hey, how do I completely reinstall the font system in debian? |
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| 16:46.14 | waynr | debian does have have some limited support for arm but those builds definitely aren't going to install on at least some of the boards you are dealing with |
| 16:46.15 | lf94 | I upgraded from debian stable to testing (went extremely well!), but I had infinality installed manually, and that has messed some things up. |
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| 16:46.39 | waynr | specifically, i don't know if the debian packages support armv5te |
| 16:46.57 | the8thbit|work | waynr: the one I'm on right now is ipac9x25 |
| 16:47.09 | abrotman | the8thbit|work: there is a #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net also |
| 16:47.25 | the8thbit|work | abrotman: thanks, I'll check it out |
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| 16:48.06 | the8thbit|work | waynr: Is there a better package management solution for the boards, do you think? I'm more familiar with apt than pacman yum and the others, but something is better than nothing |
| 16:48.40 | the8thbit|work | waynr: my end goal really is a python 2.x.x interpreter on the board itself |
| 16:49.16 | the8thbit|work | but even gcc would be nice |
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| 16:49.24 | waynr | the8thbit|work: i had python 2.6.? building with relatively few problems |
| 16:49.37 | the8thbit|work | write now I'm just writing shell scripts which sucks |
| 16:49.41 | kleanchap | I am standing a KVM hypervisor for a lab setup. This machine is not connected to the network. For this I plan to use Debian distro. However, I want to very basic Debian + KVM and related files. How can I customize this type of install? |
| 16:50.22 | the8thbit|work | waynr: Hmm, I tried cross compiling python 2.6.3, but I ran into some issue that escapes me at the moment. Did you document your process? |
| 16:51.10 | the8thbit|work | waynr: or it would be cool to get build-essentials and whatever else I need onto the board itself so I don't have to cross compile anymore |
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| 17:00.42 | hazard | Once I've decided to add non-free repositories, is there a way to rebuild everything to take it into account? |
| 17:01.31 | Brigo | hazard, rebuild what? |
| 17:01.47 | Brigo | new repository, new packages, not more. |
| 17:02.04 | Brigo | may be apt-get update |
| 17:02.09 | hazard | Brigo: I was hoping for a system wide check of the installed softwares, but a specific one I was concerned with was the Calibre package. |
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| 17:02.11 | Brigo | to rebuild the database. |
| 17:02.29 | hazard | I did do that, and then followed it with an apt-get upgrade. |
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| 17:03.07 | hazard | I also tried apt-get install calibre, which told me it was the most current version, but I suspect it didn't check on dependencies. |
| 17:03.08 | Brigo | do you think adding non-free repos you will get a new version of calibre package? |
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| 17:03.24 | hazard | Brigo: More "suspect" so. |
| 17:03.46 | hazard | I've had no trouble with Calibre under Raspbian or Ubuntu, so I suspect there is a non-free dependency or something like that. |
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| 17:04.40 | hazard | I had a similar issue with one of my two Alfa wireless devices, because of the firmware-ralink package. |
| 17:04.41 | Brigo | hazard, i have never had a problem with calibre in debian. What is your problem? |
| 17:05.17 | hazard | Brigo: It only "half sees" my Nook. I can see books in the library and such, but can't actually take any off or add any. |
| 17:05.52 | hazard | The Nook being a proprietary device is one of the things that made me suspect I'd need something from non-free. |
| 17:06.12 | Brigo | i see, i cannot help you , i must go just now, but i think this is not a debian related problem, but calibre version. |
| 17:06.19 | hazard | Thanks anyway. |
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| 17:06.32 | Brigo | hazard, good luck. |
| 17:06.39 | hazard | I appreciate it. |
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| 17:08.54 | abrotman | hazard: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 17:08.59 | abrotman | whoa, sorry |
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| 17:09.25 | abrotman | hazard: apt-cache show <foopkg>, you can manually inspect |
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| 17:15.03 | hazard | abrotman: I'll look into that now. Thanks. |
| 17:15.15 | hazard | I've only used apt-cache to search before. |
| 17:15.23 | hazard | Didn't realize I could also inspect things. |
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| 17:25.53 | lf94 | Again, anyone familiar with reinstalling the font packages in debain? |
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| 17:25.55 | lf94 | debian* |
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| 17:26.20 | notdave1 | hi |
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| 17:32.28 | Iridos | dpkg, anyone using font packages in debian |
| 17:32.28 | dpkg | No, no one uses font packages in debian, not even the people who use it. |
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| 17:57.58 | jmd | I did sudo apt-get install guile-2.0 guile-2.0-libs ; pkg-config --list-all | grep guile |
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| 17:58.16 | jmd | It seems that guile never got installed. How so? |
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| 18:09.49 | Iridos | jmd, guile-2.0-dev |
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| 18:10.20 | Iridos | pkgconfig is for compiling, not for use, so its stuff belongs into -dev |
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| 18:10.50 | Glanzmann | Hello; I'm updating from wheezy to jessie and during the dist-upgrade the following process hangs: root 12665 99.7 0.1 10016 6484 pts/1 Rs+ 19:08 2:07 /usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 23 --unpack --auto-deconfigure /var/cache/apt/archives/init_1.21_i386.deb |
| 18:11.06 | Glanzmann | For one hour. I killed it and run it again. But now it hangs again, suggestions? |
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| 18:11.39 | woffs | I would try "strace -fp 12665" at first. |
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| 18:11.53 | DeaDSouL | Hi, if a directory's name starts with '-' (dash)... how can I rename it from terminal.. I tried mv.. but it doesn't work... it thinks the dash is a part of the command option |
| 18:12.10 | Glanzmann | woffs: No output. |
| 18:12.12 | jmd | DeaDSouL: mv ./-xxx yyyy |
| 18:12.22 | woffs | DeaDSouL: mv -- src dest |
| 18:12.23 | Glanzmann | Should I kill it and strace it from the beginning? |
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| 18:12.53 | DeaDSouL | jmd: thx |
| 18:13.11 | woffs | Glanzmann: gdb? if you have that kind of energy |
| 18:13.23 | lf94 | I should be taught to never use `rm /my/path/` |
| 18:13.47 | woffs | maybe "lsof -p 12665" says something interesting. maybe not. |
| 18:13.49 | lf94 | in fact it should be invalid syntax |
| 18:14.04 | Glanzmann | woffs: I do. Because I want to get to the bottom of this and upgrade my system. |
| 18:14.06 | lf94 | imagine how many root filesystems would be saved per year |
| 18:14.23 | jmd | lf94: rm should not work if the subject is a directory. |
| 18:14.24 | DeaDSouL | woffs: your way works too, thanks |
| 18:14.27 | Glanzmann | woffs: Here is the strace: https://pbot.rmdir.de/qly92QdGqW_Fy5vcwEVcmA |
| 18:14.31 | jmd | unless you give the -r flag |
| 18:14.34 | Glanzmann | It hangs there. |
| 18:14.51 | lf94 | jmd: yea, with -r of course |
| 18:14.59 | lf94 | i thought that was implicit given the context |
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| 18:15.18 | jhutchins_wk | lf94: You could always use find ... -delete |
| 18:15.51 | lf94 | not too many linux newbies use find at all |
| 18:16.04 | lf94 | let alone a bunch of find's arguments |
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| 18:16.18 | jmd | lf94: I think that is not true. |
| 18:16.36 | jmd | In fact it was very usefull to me when I started using linux. |
| 18:16.47 | lf94 | jmd: how often did you use it to remove files |
| 18:16.50 | jmd | I don't know how I would have found anything wirhtout it. |
| 18:16.53 | lf94 | when you first started using linux |
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| 18:17.25 | woffs | Glanzmann: seems to be something inside dpkg. a bug. I have not upgraded to jessie yet. |
| 18:17.30 | mofino | find is too difficult to use, systemd better replace it |
| 18:17.33 | jmd | Occasionally I would use it to clear up unwnated files. In those days disk space was still expensive. |
| 18:17.43 | Glanzmann | woffs: Yes it does because no system calls that means it is computing. |
| 18:17.46 | Iridos | lf94, rm doesn't delete / anymore ... and I don't see too big problems with rm -rf /some/path/to/somewhere...more with stuff like rm -rf * ... which you might feel the urge to do occasionally but which is not a good thing to have in your .bash_history |
| 18:18.00 | woffs | Glanzmann: yes. maybe a endless loop. |
| 18:18.07 | jmd | mofino: perhaps but find is ubiquitous. Changing it would confuse a lot of people. |
| 18:18.14 | lf94 | Iridos: rm -rf / does mess systems up |
| 18:18.27 | mofino | jmd, was a joke, changing find would be backward |
| 18:18.46 | Iridos | lf94, "man rm" search for root |
| 18:18.49 | woffs | Glanzmann: you could attach gdb and get a stacktrace |
| 18:18.49 | lf94 | I can see it now, someone wanting to clear out some directory with no write permissions or whatever: rm -rf /home/user/myshit / |
| 18:18.52 | Glanzmann | woffs: I attached with gdb but not much to see there: https://pbot.rmdir.de/sPmVRXoihs9kFh7GKOWCdQ |
| 18:19.08 | mofino | lf94, good call |
| 18:19.24 | jmd | lf94: At one time, I put a file called "-i" in / and in $HOME in case that happened. |
| 18:19.32 | chb | mmh zsh has some protections against rm -rf /,* - just something I thought about |
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| 18:19.40 | lf94 | jmd: clever :) |
| 18:19.49 | lf94 | Iridos: Yep my distro says nothing about that |
| 18:20.00 | mofino | jmd, heh nice trick |
| 18:20.03 | Iridos | lf94, then you're in the wrong channel :) |
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| 18:20.28 | lf94 | Could've just said debian does that instead :) |
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| 18:20.42 | jmd | But I think you are not a profi, until you have inadvertently done rm -rf / at least once. |
| 18:20.54 | Iridos | Glanzmann, if it's a fixed bug, you could try upgrading dpkg first, then the rest of the system... if it fails you'll end up with a mix between stable and testing (well, you probably have a mix anyway) |
| 18:21.00 | Glanzmann | woffs: I killed the process, removed the deb and did a update dpkg first. |
| 18:21.04 | mofino | jmd, never done that |
| 18:21.05 | Glanzmann | Iridos: That is what I just did. :-) |
| 18:21.21 | lf94 | jmd: one time, stupidly, I wanted to remove / for some reason, but, I had mounted a hard drive |
| 18:21.35 | Glanzmann | Lets see how it goes. |
| 18:21.37 | lf94 | Goodbye external hard drive files |
| 18:21.47 | woffs | Glanzmann, Iridos: ok. good to know. |
| 18:21.58 | Glanzmann | getting better and better: dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:236: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed. |
| 18:22.04 | jmd | Actually, only this week I blindly untarred something as root. It promptly overwrote /lib/libc.so |
| 18:22.10 | lf94 | Oh no I wanted to completely clear out my home directory |
| 18:22.16 | woffs | yeah, upgrading is an adventue |
| 18:22.17 | lf94 | and I mount drives in there |
| 18:22.36 | Glanzmann | Most of the time it is easy peasy. |
| 18:22.57 | Glanzmann | With the updated dpkg it moved past init. :-) |
| 18:23.28 | woffs | lf94: find -xdev |
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| 18:25.02 | Iridos | Glanzmann, of course, an error message is better...https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=768852 |
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| 18:28.18 | Glanzmann | I see |
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| 18:33.03 | Glanzmann | It worked, thanks a lot. |
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| 18:33.21 | jmd | lf94: many years ago before there was diff, there was a command called cmp. I was doing backups and in the habit of comparing last months backup with the current unbacked up system before I started. So I would do "cmp /dev/old /dev/existing" . |
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| 18:33.40 | jmd | And one day, my finger missed the m key.... |
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| 18:43.09 | lf94 | jmd: oh shit! hahaha |
| 18:43.27 | lf94 | yeah programs should be not named only to make sense, but so mistakes like that cant happen |
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| 19:00.53 | dorkusmaximus | how do i make my asus n10 work in debian? |
| 19:01.49 | Timmy | dorkusmaximus: what's you problem? |
| 19:01.50 | mtn | !ask |
| 19:01.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 19:02.00 | mtn | dorkusmaximus: follow that |
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| 19:04.16 | dorkusmaximus | I have a problem with asus n10. I'm running Debian latest version. When I try to do anything that requires a network connection I get the following output: nothing. I expected it to do stuff that would normally happen with a working network connection. |
| 19:06.07 | mtn | dorkusmaximus: see https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration and/or https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager |
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| 19:07.14 | dorkusmaximus | right |
| 19:07.21 | dorkusmaximus | ok, so basically im on my own. |
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| 19:07.54 | mtn | dorkusmaximus: no. but did you do any of those things? what did you do? what happened, etc. etc.? |
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| 19:08.46 | mtn | dorkusmaximus: also, what network card/chip? did you check cables? is it a known good working network connection, etc.etc.? |
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| 19:10.23 | galex-713 | Hello, how can I make my laptop not suspend when closing the lid? I don’t use a DE fyi btw |
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| 19:11.34 | Iridos | dorkusmaximus, basically we can't magically do all the debugging with you ... and that without any information. "nothing" is not very specific, nor very helpful... the specifity of the answer usually matches that of the question :) (this is what the "ask" factoid tries to tell you) |
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| 19:12.13 | dorkusmaximus | :| Asus N10 is a wireless network adapter. There are no cables. This is a driver problem with my hardware. |
| 19:12.36 | Iridos | dorkusmaximus, common problem is the missing firmware, which is not in stock-debian because it is not free software |
| 19:12.56 | mtn | dorkusmaximus: ok, so first thing: identify card/chip. |
| 19:13.24 | Iridos | specially with wireless chips |
| 19:13.41 | mtn | dorkusmaximus: for wifi see: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 19:14.34 | Iridos | dpkg, wifi |
| 19:14.35 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 19:15.06 | Iridos | dpkg, what's my wireless |
| 19:15.06 | dpkg | Install the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ , or ask me about <whats my hardware>. See also <wireless>. |
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| 19:15.49 | Iridos | dorkusmaximus, ^^^ see what class of wifi yours fits in |
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| 19:16.35 | dorkusmaximus | ok, ill see if i can find the hwinfo package on the web |
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| 19:17.04 | Iridos | this http://www.rkblog.rk.edu.pl/w/p/quick-test-asus-usb-n10-wifi-adapter-under-linux/ should be the one |
| 19:17.28 | Iridos | judd, pciid 0b05:1786 |
| 19:17.29 | judd | [0b05:1786] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=0b05:1786 |
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| 19:17.53 | Iridos | oh... usbid |
| 19:18.09 | Iridos | wonder if we have that, too |
| 19:18.10 | Iridos | judd, usbid 0b05:1786 |
| 19:18.16 | Iridos | guess not |
| 19:18.27 | Iridos | dpkg, realtek |
| 19:18.27 | dpkg | Realtek is a developer of semiconductors. Realtek Ethernet controllers are supported by the 8139too, 8139cp and <r8169> drivers in the mainline Linux kernel. For support of Realtek-based wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl819x> (802.11n) or <rtl818x> (802.11b/g). |
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| 19:19.01 | Iridos | dpkg, rtl819x |
| 19:19.01 | dpkg | For support of Realtek 802.11n PCIe devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192de>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se>, <rtl8723ae>, <rtl8188ee>. For support of Realtek 802.11n USB devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>, <r8712u>, <rtl8192u>, <rtl8723au>, <rtl8188eu>. See also <what's my wireless>. |
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| 19:19.19 | Iridos | hmpf |
| 19:19.44 | Iridos | oh, only need to read the webpage, it also mentions the firmware usb 2-1.1: r8712u: Loading firmware from "rtlwifi/rtl8712u.bin" |
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| 19:20.32 | Iridos | dorkusmaximus, if it's exactly the one from the webpage, the firmware is in the package firmware-realtek |
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| 19:21.05 | dorkusmaximus | awesome. thanks. ill see if i can get the package onto my box with a usb drive. |
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| 19:21.31 | ompaul | dpkg -i packagename when you do |
| 19:21.31 | dpkg | removes a kidney from ompaul and replaces it with packagename when you do |
| 19:21.43 | ompaul | dpkg: shutup |
| 19:21.43 | dpkg | No! You can STFU yourself! The voice of truth cannot be silenced! Oh, except perhaps in China... |
| 19:21.47 | Iridos | !pal ompaul |
| 19:21.47 | dpkg | points at ompaul and laughs uproariously |
| 19:22.06 | ompaul | Iridos: always with the happy stuff ;-) |
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| 19:22.34 | dorkusmaximus | so tired. have to go work now. computers keep me awake all night. |
| 19:23.18 | Iridos | dpkg, shuddup |
| 19:23.18 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
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| 19:23.21 | Iridos | ompaul, :P |
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| 19:23.30 | ompaul | Iridos: always with the happy stuff ;-) |
| 19:23.37 | ompaul | where did I read that before |
| 19:23.46 | DanielHolth | Where do I put an epoch in the control file (mine has no Version?) so the standard package won't overwrite my customized one? |
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| 19:32.26 | ompaul | DanielHolth: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html read section 5.6.12 |
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| 19:35.51 | DanielHolth | ompaul it looks like I may have to put the Version field in each package section rather than at the top of the control file? |
| 19:36.04 | wjtaylor | is it possible to shrink a filesystem? |
| 19:36.06 | DanielHolth | However, there is no Version at all in the control file |
| 19:36.09 | DanielHolth | and that documentation is not great |
| 19:36.38 | mtn | wjtaylor: do you mean partition? |
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| 19:37.25 | DanielHolth | Is there a place where it says "the version defaults to ${source:version} if not present in the control file? |
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| 19:39.46 | wjtaylor | mtn: the file system within the parition. To my understanding, I cannot shrink the partition if the filesystem takes up the entire partition. |
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| 19:39.54 | ompaul | DanielHolth: what is the package and what version of debian |
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| 19:40.44 | mtn | wjtaylor: in that case, you would need to delete some files to make it smaller. |
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| 19:41.35 | DanielHolth | it's couchdb |
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| 19:42.30 | DanielHolth | i've tried putting version elsewhere in the control file, we'll see how that goes |
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| 19:42.42 | ompaul | ,v couchdb |
| 19:42.43 | judd | Package: couchdb on i386 -- wheezy: 1.2.0-5; sid: 1.4.0-3+b1 |
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| 19:43.08 | ompaul | DanielHolth: it won't matter if you are doing it on stable unless you look for a backport |
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| 19:43.14 | wjtaylor | mtn: understood, there must be enough free space to allow partition reduction, but there could be data at the end of the fileystem. To my understanding I need 1) sufficient free space 2) defrag - to move data to beginning of filesystem 3) possibly shrink fs to keep fs metadata in tact (superblocks, etc). 4) reduce partition. |
| 19:43.18 | ompaul | !backports |
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| 19:43.19 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 19:43.38 | gho | hi, when I boot the debian ISO in a virtualbox, whilst linux is booting the VM abruptly terminates - can anyone help |
| 19:44.59 | jhutchins_wk | gho: Have you checeked the md5sum of the iso? |
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| 19:47.24 | gho | jhutchins_wk, yes it's fine |
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| 19:48.34 | DanielHolth | ompaul it doesn't actually use Version in control at all, does it |
| 19:48.52 | DanielHolth | IIRC it devines it from the source directory name instead? |
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| 19:52.29 | ompaul | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html 5.3 it's been around a long time - and what I said stands if you are using stable you don't have to do anything |
| 19:52.40 | ompaul | I'll have to leave it there |
| 19:53.20 | DanielHolth | so your suggestion is just that my modified version is not in danger of being overwritten by debian's version, without mucking about with the epoch field? |
| 19:53.39 | ompaul | DanielHolth: are you using sid / testing |
| 19:53.52 | DanielHolth | no |
| 19:53.59 | ompaul | so moot point |
| 19:54.03 | DanielHolth | okay |
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| 19:54.17 | ompaul | debian won't be pushing couchdb into that you manage your own security |
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| 19:55.44 | xcxp | I just noticed I got exim4 installed, even though I tried to turn off MTA/mail service stuff from my install menu. I just did this install this morning, PST. |
| 19:56.05 | ompaul | xcxp: do you use crontab for anything? |
| 19:56.17 | PryMar56 | is bash OK to use in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 19:56.19 | ompaul | you might just want that :) |
| 19:56.39 | ompaul | PryMar56: can you explain your question and or assumptions please |
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| 19:57.26 | PryMar56 | ompaul, I want to branch around an interface definition in */interfaces instead of commenting it out |
| 19:57.29 | xcxp | Not intentionally, but yes I presume that to be a standard facility, so I will hope to. I don't believe I specified it. |
| 19:57.41 | xcxp | I have not used crontab yet. |
| 19:57.50 | ompaul | xcxp: you will want an mta if you do |
| 19:58.16 | xcxp | Ok. It is a little confusing. Would it have installed the MTA differently if I had said no in the menu? |
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| 19:58.41 | xcxp | If not, it may be best to take out the option, since it is not therefore functional. |
| 19:58.59 | ompaul | PryMar56: you really want to write some tool to write your interfaces file and then commit it - it is not a bash script it is a very specific interfaces control file you can then use bash to control what gets put in the place https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
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| 19:59.29 | ompaul | xcxp: it is not functional except for cron unless you enable it, it is not a threat |
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| 20:00.58 | cmhobbs | when i wake my netbook (asus x101ch) from suspend or hibernate, the display doesn't seem to want to come on. it lights up but doesn't display anything. what's the best place to look to start ferreting that issue out? |
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| 20:01.12 | cmhobbs | as far as i know the machine is still functional. hard drive light blinks, capslock turns on and off |
| 20:01.19 | cmhobbs | i haven't tried ssh'ing in but i bet it'd be up |
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| 20:02.07 | ompaul | cmhobbs: https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend |
| 20:02.26 | ompaul | cmhobbs: suspend is an art of magical incantations :-( |
| 20:02.36 | cmhobbs | ompaul, thank you! |
| 20:02.42 | cmhobbs | i imagine it's got some oddities |
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| 20:02.53 | cmhobbs | i've had it successfully suspend/hibernate and wake up in trisquel |
| 20:02.56 | ompaul | cmhobbs: some is a very conservative word |
| 20:03.00 | PryMar56 | ompaul, ty - checking the page |
| 20:03.01 | cmhobbs | but i had to tinker with parabola |
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| 20:09.07 | forcer | Hello! Are there any known problems using systemd in wheezy on a VPS? My hoster uses upstart for some reason (yes, it's wheezy, not some ubuntu), and I'd like to switch to systemd. But I'm not sure how systemd-read wheezy is? |
| 20:09.45 | petemc | forcer: do you have access to the machine if it cant boot? |
| 20:09.57 | petemc | out of band access, as its sometimes known |
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| 20:10.43 | forcer | petemc: It's a VPS, no physical access, only a reboot button. I guess that means "no". |
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| 20:13.57 | petemc | forcer: risky undertaking then, and not something ive done myself so cant advise further, sorry |
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| 20:14.40 | forcer | petemc: Yeah, that's partly why I'm asking. It feels rather ... problematic. :-) Thank you for looking at it anyhow! |
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| 20:24.00 | pecg | Hello, how do I identify packages installed from a specific repository, in apt-get |
| 20:24.03 | pecg | ? |
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| 20:26.40 | dondelelcaro | pecg: you can only identify which repositories they could potentially have come from |
| 20:26.45 | dondelelcaro | pecg: see apt-cache policy |
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| 20:28.27 | pecg | dondelelcaro: How do I list installed packages? |
| 20:28.39 | pecg | dondelelcaro: Maybe with their licenses? |
| 20:29.29 | dutchfish | forcer, while systemd can work hen done carefully, without adapting userland it is pointless |
| 20:29.50 | dutchfish | s/hen/when |
| 20:29.54 | pecg | dondelelcaro: I found the place, thank you. |
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| 20:30.07 | somiaj | pecg: dpkg -l lists install packages so does aptitude search ~i |
| 20:30.33 | somiaj | pecg: licenses are in /usr/share/doc/package_name -- with aptitude search you can say search packages for installed packges from main, contrib or non-free seperateally |
| 20:30.38 | pecg | somiaj: Yes, thanks. |
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| 20:32.25 | forcer | dutchfish: Yes, I would like to migrate the processes in supervisor to systemd. :-) |
| 20:32.31 | pecg | somiaj: That is what I was looking for. |
| 20:33.56 | dutchfish | forcer, it can be done, even when userland is done partially, one of the nice goodies of systemd is that it plays along with sysV quiet well, but i also believe that is easier to adapt to jessie as it stands now then 'upgrading' wheezy, for the sake of time involved. |
| 20:34.38 | forcer | dutchfish: Hm. Ok. I can't upgrade the VPS to jessie, so I guess I'll just have to continue to deal with supervisor. Thank you! |
| 20:34.52 | dutchfish | forcer, yw |
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| 20:36.37 | jhutchins_wk | forcer: There's considerable question about how systemd ready jessie is. |
| 20:37.16 | forcer | jhutchins_wk: I run jessie with systemd quite fine on another host. :-) |
| 20:37.51 | teeteewhy | still alive cunts |
| 20:37.57 | dutchfish | jhutchins_wk, to my humble opinion, not release ready by far, but there is slow progress, and as i said, it plays along nicely with sysV for the older userland parts |
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| 20:38.33 | pha | Hi, I am having a bit of trouble and would appreciate some input... been contacted by my host telling me my IP is unnecessarily sending a large number of requests over the network via its IP failover 178.32.153.xx - This is due to a misconfiguration. |
| 20:38.49 | pha | I don't see anything wrong? http://pastebin.com/24hdQxp6 |
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| 20:39.11 | mimoo | any idea how to install the new "lets-encrypt" on Debian Squeeze ? |
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| 20:48.45 | jhutchins_wk | mimoo: Wait for it to come out next Summer? |
| 20:49.01 | jhutchins_wk | mimoo: iirc they're shooting for August. |
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| 20:50.54 | pha | new URL, set the old one to wipe after 10m -> http://pastebin.com/pMS2Kz2W |
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| 20:51.28 | shaun414 | hi |
| 20:51.33 | shaun414 | how can I disable swap |
| 20:51.37 | shaun414 | on debian for using ssd? |
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| 20:53.02 | mtn | shaun414: man swapoff and/or edit your fstab |
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| 20:53.26 | dutchfish | pha, there are errors in there, not so much for the virtual stanzas, but i dont see anything about natting and firewalling (i presume you need that) see: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_virtual_interface |
| 20:53.56 | shaun414 | idk what any of that means |
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| 20:54.42 | dutchfish | pha, preventing leakage in routable networks is done with firewalling |
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| 20:55.09 | mtn | !tell shaun414 about fstab |
| 20:55.54 | mtn | shaun414: https://wiki.debian.org/Swap |
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| 20:56.09 | shaun414 | how do I get to it |
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| 20:57.58 | shaun414 | does debian not have swap? |
| 20:58.01 | shaun414 | by default |
| 20:58.14 | mtn | shaun414: it does by default |
| 20:58.22 | shaun414 | so how do i disable it |
| 20:58.51 | mtn | shaun414: put a # sign in front of the swap line. reboot. |
| 20:58.59 | shaun414 | where? |
| 20:59.06 | pha | thank you very much dutchfish |
| 20:59.12 | dutchfish | pha, yw |
| 20:59.13 | mtn | shaun414: read the link I sent you. |
| 20:59.20 | shaun414 | i did |
| 20:59.29 | mtn | shaun414: then you know it is /etc/fstab |
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| 21:00.03 | Quantum` | I want to show a '<' on a web page. Anyone know how to escape this? |
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| 21:00.26 | jhutchins_wk | Quantum`: I usually refer to http://w3c.org |
| 21:00.27 | shaun414 | the fstab is empty |
| 21:00.34 | mtn | shaun414: no it isn't |
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| 21:00.42 | shaun414 | i just opened it |
| 21:00.52 | mtn | shaun414: which version of debian? |
| 21:00.58 | shaun414 | the newest |
| 21:01.03 | mtn | shaun414: which is? |
| 21:01.07 | shaun414 | idk |
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| 21:01.26 | jhutchins_wk | shaun414: There are three possible meanings to "the newest". |
| 21:01.33 | mtn | shaun414: in a terminal: less /etc/fstab. paste the results to http://paste.debian.net |
| 21:01.35 | shaun414 | 64bit |
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| 21:02.23 | shaun414 | http://paste.debian.net/132880/ |
| 21:02.46 | mtn | shaun414: doesn't look empty to me ;) |
| 21:02.49 | shaun414 | ok |
| 21:02.56 | shaun414 | well how do i disable thswap |
| 21:03.22 | mtn | shaun414: I don't see any swap setup. |
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| 21:03.32 | shaun414 | ok so its not eneabled... |
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| 21:03.46 | jhutchins_wk | shaun414: At this point it's probably better to be learning to work with Debian and Linux than to be messing with OS basics. The system won't use swap gratuitously just because it's there. If you have 4G or more of RAM it might shove a few buffers in there and then just leave it alone unless you have some sort of memory crisis, in which case swap on ssd is better than a crash. |
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| 21:04.00 | shaun414 | i have 8gb |
| 21:04.06 | shaun414 | I just dont want to ruin the ssd |
| 21:04.40 | jhutchins_wk | shaun414: Modern ssds are not that fragile. Unless you're realy hammering the RAM it shouldn't swap at all with 8G. |
| 21:04.50 | shaun414 | ok |
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| 21:13.18 | abrotman | shaun414: you don't have to run with swap if you don't want, just beware the implications (and "8GB" as a limit is absurd, not sure why he said that) |
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| 21:30.44 | deb-llq | hello how can i create a qos solution with dscp flags on a debian router? |
| 21:31.38 | deb-llq | i have seen dsmark but i dont know how to create a queue with dsmark |
| 21:32.04 | trem0r | I'm guessing you're using iptables? |
| 21:32.45 | deb-llq | i can mark the packets like this: iptables -t mangle -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 80 -j DSCP --set-dscp-class EF |
| 21:32.53 | deb-llq | with wireshark i can see the dscp flag on the other side |
| 21:33.35 | trem0r | ah |
| 21:33.53 | notdave1 | hi. anyone know if I can download packages through apt using something othr than http? ftp maybe? |
| 21:34.07 | deb-llq | but there is no queue where the bandwidth is specified |
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| 21:35.42 | trem0r | deb-llq, look into the tc util |
| 21:35.56 | galex-713 | Hello, how can I make my laptop not suspend when closing the lid? I don’t use a DE fyi btw |
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| 21:40.44 | abrotman | notdave1: you can use FTP, usually more flaky. There is also https and bittorrent |
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| 21:41.23 | guy312 | Hi, can someone tell me please which are the default groups from frist created user? |
| 21:42.37 | mtn | guy312: mine says: mtn cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev |
| 21:42.54 | guy312 | mtn: great, thanks! |
| 21:43.33 | notdave1 | thanks abrotman, got it working with ftp, just changed it in sources.list |
| 21:43.43 | abrotman | Right |
| 21:43.56 | abrotman | guy312: this is configurable IIRC |
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| 21:45.21 | guy312 | abrotman: just didnt use append at usermod so I lost groups |
| 21:45.37 | abrotman | doh! |
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| 21:46.23 | guy312 | ^^ |
| 21:47.28 | notdave1 | Not really debian related, but could do with a way of routing http through something else, to get to websites. ISP is blocking http at moment, so cant get to web pages to try to look it up for myself. |
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| 21:47.58 | shaun414 | where can I learn bout linux |
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| 21:48.22 | joncrunchbang | shaun414: google? |
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| 21:48.31 | joncrunchbang | what do you mean? |
| 21:48.35 | shaun414 | ok |
| 21:49.43 | joncrunchbang | shaun414: honest advice though. i started out with crunchbang. it's an excellent community and a brilliant way to learn. |
| 21:49.52 | shaun414 | ok |
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| 21:50.48 | mtn | shaun414: debian has a good wiki and you can find lots of basic linux info online. |
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| 21:55.08 | sheap | how would I make a package that starts tasksel after a user logs in on a cli environment? |
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| 21:55.41 | valdyn | sheap: why must it be a package? |
| 21:56.20 | sheap | valdyn: has custom menu's and has to come up on first boot after install |
| 21:57.22 | valdyn | sheap: makes no sense |
| 21:57.30 | valdyn | sheap: debian runs tasksel like that on install |
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| 21:59.06 | sheap | valdyn: why can't I make my own custom ".desc" and want them shown on tasksel? |
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| 21:59.27 | valdyn | sheap: thats an entirely new issue |
| 21:59.37 | sheap | I know it works |
| 22:00.08 | valdyn | sheap: im not sure what you are trying to do makes sense at all, nor if a package is a reasonable way to do it |
| 22:00.31 | sheap | all I want is tasksel to come up after a user logs in, and have it display my custom desc files |
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| 22:00.40 | valdyn | sheap: obviously packages can do all kinds of (stupid) things in the postinst / preinst scripts |
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| 22:01.01 | valdyn | sheap: so all your users get root permissions? |
| 22:01.08 | sheap | sure |
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| 22:02.36 | valdyn | sheap: you set their shell to run tasksel and bash I guess |
| 22:02.51 | valdyn | sheap: thats awful i know, but you want something awful |
| 22:03.16 | sheap | what would you do then, if this is equivalent to running over children |
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| 22:03.45 | valdyn | sheap: first you would define what you mean exactly with "log in" |
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| 22:04.02 | sheap | well |
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| 22:04.19 | valdyn | sheap: some user logging into a shell environment and using that would be expected to also be able to run tasksel himself |
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| 22:04.41 | valdyn | sheap: but maybe you really meant a specific login: "Log into Gnome" or somesuch |
| 22:04.55 | sheap | nope login just to the cli |
| 22:05.02 | sheap | and yea I'd assume they could run tasksel |
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| 22:05.22 | sheap | but the cards ive been dealt say that it has to come up on its own and the use shouldnt have to do anything prior to that |
| 22:05.41 | valdyn | sheap: create a shell script that does exactly what you want |
| 22:05.53 | valdyn | sheap: set the users login to be that |
| 22:05.59 | valdyn | sheap: set the users login *shell* to be that |
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| 22:06.27 | valdyn | sheap: of course you will need to contain the cleanup code in that script too |
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| 22:08.10 | valdyn | sheap: see your "echo $SHELL" and /etc/passwd, where that $SHELL value originates from |
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| 22:13.57 | ni291187 | hi |
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| 22:14.30 | jhutchins_wk | How do I find the block size on a device? I'm getting wierd translations between blocks and bytes. |
| 22:14.43 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: show us |
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| 22:15.23 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, 512 |
| 22:17.02 | woshty | most 4k still report as 512 |
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| 22:25.01 | jhutchins_wk | woshty: I guess divid size by blocks... |
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| 22:28.01 | jhutchins_wk | This makes no sense. I divide the size shown by df by the blocks shown by fdisk -l and I get 193...... |
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| 22:30.44 | albru123 | Hi, I'm installing Debian and wanna use two partitions. One for system and one for my files (the computer will work like a LAN file-server). Which mount point I should choose? /usr/local or /home and save files under user home folder? |
| 22:31.04 | heurist | albru123: home |
| 22:31.45 | albru123 | heurist: thanks :) |
| 22:32.41 | valdyn | albru123: /srv |
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| 22:32.57 | albru123 | valdyn: Late :P |
| 22:33.14 | valdyn | albru123: see the FHS |
| 22:33.31 | albru123 | valdyn: Ok |
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| 22:35.46 | albru123 | valdyn: Yeah, but I'm not sure if it can be changed after system is installed |
| 22:36.33 | heurist | albru123: you can bind mount the parts of home that you want share into /srv. |
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| 22:37.37 | heurist | albru123: but /home is fine and is the default for samba shares, so it is least work. but never is /usr/local the place for this. |
| 22:37.39 | valdyn | albru123: it can be changed |
| 22:38.03 | mofino | nobody uses /mnt/? |
| 22:38.17 | heurist | mofino: not for this purpose. |
| 22:38.22 | valdyn | mofino: my /mnt is older than /srv |
| 22:38.28 | mofino | oh no! |
| 22:38.32 | albru123 | mofino: mnt is for temporary data AFAIK |
| 22:38.37 | valdyn | mofino: i mean ive been sharing files before i knew about /srv |
| 22:38.44 | heurist | albru123: yes |
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| 22:38.54 | wuffi600 | hi |
| 22:38.55 | wuffi600 | . |
| 22:38.56 | mofino | albru123, is it? sounds wrong |
| 22:39.03 | heurist | valdyn: /srv is still new enough that almost nothing uses it. |
| 22:39.59 | wuffi600 | what is the wheezy way to get a nx-server (like neatx, freenx) running? I've found https://wiki.debian.org/freenx what is not working anymore. |
| 22:40.00 | albru123 | Well, I don't really know if it'll make a huge difference. Maybe there will be some issues with file permissions |
| 22:40.03 | valdyn | nothing wrong with using /fileserverstuff either ;) |
| 22:40.17 | mofino | valdyn, indeed |
| 22:40.58 | valdyn | albru123: some file servers (i mean programs) work nicely with /home if you want multiple users using their own stuff |
| 22:41.21 | albru123 | valdyn: That's not really neccessary |
| 22:41.30 | valdyn | albru123: yea i assumed that |
| 22:41.40 | albru123 | valdy: I'll only use FTP and maybe DLNA sometimes |
| 22:41.46 | albru123 | valdyn |
| 22:41.52 | jhutchins_wk | /usr/local is for code, isn't it? I always just create /share |
| 22:41.56 | valdyn | albru123: so with samba you would probably mostly not use [homes] |
| 22:42.19 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: not just code |
| 22:42.32 | albru123 | Give me a sec, I'll go AFK for a while |
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| 22:42.34 | heurist | jhutchins_wk: yes, /usr/local is for the same thing as /usr is just for local stuff. |
| 22:43.21 | heurist | dpkg: tell albru_AFK -about away |
| 22:45.26 | jhutchins_wk | The /usr/share hierarchy is for all read-only architecture independent data files |
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| 22:45.41 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: not all |
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| 22:45.54 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: only from .deb packages |
| 22:46.07 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: Cut and paste from http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.pdf |
| 22:46.08 | heurist | fhs is more, what you would call, guidelines. |
| 22:46.33 | jonker07 | Is there some one experienced use who can help me use anacron for a simple bash script? |
| 22:46.39 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: not going to read it... but they probably say something about /usr/local/share too |
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| 22:47.18 | heurist | jonker07: get the script working complete first, then think about making cron run it. |
| 22:47.20 | jhutchins_wk | I think /var/share might be appropriate, in the same sense that /var/www is the web root. |
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| 22:47.34 | jonker07 | heurist: I have the bash script |
| 22:47.47 | valdyn | jonker07: you dont interact with anacron |
| 22:47.51 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: Requirements the same, the only stipulation is that /usr/share/man and /usr/local/share/man be linked. |
| 22:47.55 | valdyn | jonker07: when do you want to run this? |
| 22:48.00 | heurist | jhutchins_wk: /var/www should be moved to /srv but is not because there is too much history. |
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| 22:48.29 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: i see, that certainly doesnt work for me. Where would the fhs put 3rd party software? |
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| 22:49.01 | jonker07 | valdyn: It's a bash script containing "apt-get update", "apt-get dist-upgrade -y" and "apt-get autoclean". I want it to be run weekly. |
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| 22:49.16 | valdyn | jonker07: just put it into /etc/cron.weekly/ |
| 22:49.30 | heurist | dpkg: tell jonker07 -about cron-apt |
| 22:49.31 | valdyn | jonker07: but this is stupid, really |
| 22:49.40 | valdyn | jonker07: use the package called "unattended-upgrades" |
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| 22:50.35 | jonker07 | valdyn: I want to learn about cron in general. So I thought starting with this would be a good idea :/ |
| 22:51.00 | twisty-1 | Hi, is debian a good OS to build a small business PPPoE server? |
| 22:51.09 | twisty-1 | Do you recommend it? |
| 22:51.25 | valdyn | jonker07: of course you can do this for learning. Im just saying that you can use the competence of more knowledgeable people for managing your upgrades by using that package |
| 22:51.39 | abrotman | twisty-1: Is linux a good OS to build a small business PPPoE server? :) |
| 22:52.03 | valdyn | twisty-1: yes |
| 22:52.04 | twisty-1 | Don't know :D |
| 22:52.21 | twisty-1 | Okay, thanks ;) |
| 22:52.50 | twisty-1 | Does some pppoe-server packages with configurations exists in the apt? |
| 22:52.53 | heurist | twisty-1: PPPoE server support in linux is a bit lacking, it is lacking in most OSs. |
| 22:53.16 | twisty-1 | heurist: okay, it's only for testing, i'm new to this |
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| 22:54.04 | valdyn | twisty-1: what do you really want to do though? how does a small business need a pppoe server? |
| 22:54.28 | twisty-1 | valdyn: We're a small service provider, and want to test something |
| 22:54.30 | jonker07 | valdyn: I tried to put a bash script containing "killall vlc" in /etc/cron.hourly. I started VLC and waited over a hour. didn't work :( |
| 22:54.37 | valdyn | twisty-1: oh, a provider, ok then |
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| 22:55.22 | valdyn | jonker07: is that file +x ? |
| 22:55.32 | heurist | jonker07: make a simple script that just writes some data to a file, so your can test it without worrying that things may have run but not done what you want. |
| 22:55.34 | jonker07 | valdyn: of course it is ^^ |
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| 22:56.22 | valdyn | jonker07: "#!/bin/sh" may be needed in the first line, i dont really know |
| 22:56.28 | albru123 | valdyn: So, I'm back and successfully installed Debian, so should I do something now with the hierarchy or it's ok. |
| 22:56.32 | jonker07 | heurist: like "echo "hello world" > /home/user/test.txt"? |
| 22:56.57 | jonker07 | valdyn: it is. otherwise it wouldn@t be a bash script ^^ |
| 22:57.04 | valdyn | albru123: you can of course create *whatever* you want to share in /home too |
| 22:57.29 | heurist | jonker07: yeah. or echo $(date) test > /tmp/text.txt with /tmp/text.txt being writable by everyone |
| 22:57.36 | valdyn | albru123: theres no issue at all if you are the only admin. If there's multiple admins then it is reasonable to use some standardised directories |
| 22:58.05 | heurist | albru123: the default are probably fine for most people, that is why they are default. |
| 22:58.11 | valdyn | albru123: naturally if you share /home/public_stuff you dont want to create a user named public_stuff |
| 22:58.55 | heurist | albru123: not all directories in /home/ need to have a user with the same name. |
| 22:59.16 | albru123 | valdyn: As only I will use it, there's no need for special structures. Only thing I want is a directory where I can put all of my stuff and share it using vsftpd and samba |
| 22:59.25 | albru123 | heurist: Great :) |
| 22:59.33 | jonker07 | heurist: so what did I do wrong with my procedure? |
| 22:59.34 | twisty-1 | You can create a shared directoriy that is writeable for allowed user (admins, tech, whatever) and readable for every normal user |
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| 23:00.22 | heurist | jonker07: I just added a date to it, so you can see in the file when it ran. and I put the file in a place that is more likely to writable by cron. |
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| 23:01.40 | heurist | jonker07: also maybe turn the > into a >> so it appends to the file instead of overwriting it. |
| 23:01.53 | twisty-1 | >> adds a new line :) |
| 23:02.05 | albru123 | ok, thank you valdyn and heurist, hope everything will work. |
| 23:02.07 | jonker07 | heurist: As far as I know scripts are executed as root by cron. So it should have killed VLC, shouldn't it? |
| 23:02.18 | jonker07 | heurist: thx |
| 23:02.41 | twisty-1 | 7msg dpkg dsa2896 |
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| 23:02.52 | heurist | jonker07: yes, but "as far as I know" is a risky place to start from. you can add a echo $(id) >> file too to see who is running it. |
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| 23:04.40 | valdyn | jonker07: you probably need to use /usr/bin/killall anyway |
| 23:04.41 | jonker07 | heurist: I try echo $(date) and tell you in about two hours if your're still there |
| 23:04.43 | heurist | jonker07: I have no idea why I am using the clumsy echo $(id) >> rather then just id >> file silly me. |
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| 23:06.00 | heurist | jonker07: and as valdyn says you probably need full paths in a script as cron does not have the same $PATH. this is why we test with something simple first. why set it to run in 2 hours. make it run in a few minutes for testing. |
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| 23:07.29 | jonker07 | heurist: ok |
| 23:07.59 | twisty-1 | EH, when i type "5.0.12" to dpkg i get 5 :o |
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| 23:09.10 | heurist | twisty-1: huh? does not compute. insufficient data. |
| 23:09.44 | twisty-1 | seems so :P |
| 23:09.58 | twisty-1 | dpkg is my best friend *lol* |
| 23:09.58 | dpkg | twisty-1: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 23:10.26 | twisty-1 | haha |
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| 23:11.54 | abrotman | twisty-1: someone doesn't know how to use the bot :) |
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| 23:12.07 | abrotman | or maybe not |
| 23:12.14 | twisty-1 | hm |
| 23:12.21 | twisty-1 | I like dpkg ;) |
| 23:12.39 | pha | is it wget -qO or wget -q -O ? |
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| 23:13.44 | GNU\colossus | doesn't matter |
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| 23:14.04 | twisty-1 | You can use both |
| 23:14.17 | jonker07 | is afk |
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| 23:16.53 | twisty-1 | Seems to be a silent zombie horde here |
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| 23:17.10 | pha | thanks GNU\colossus & twisty-1 -- much obliged. |
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| 23:31.32 | Resilience_ | I am looking for a long time archival of music cd's on hard-disk, is there some application (cli) that prevents bitrotting of data? something like crc-archiving or "raid-file" or something like that? |
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| 23:32.29 | woshty | preventing and detecting are two different things. |
| 23:32.52 | Resilience_ | woshty, is at me? |
| 23:33.11 | heurist | Resilience_: par2 is an interesting option for that. |
| 23:33.16 | woshty | Resilience_: yes.. |
| 23:33.42 | Resilience_ | heurist, I'm going to check it, any toher by the way? |
| 23:33.46 | heurist | Resilience_: though your best bet is, of course, to use more than one disk. |
| 23:33.55 | Resilience_ | woshty, well, preventing AND detecting and correcting |
| 23:34.06 | mofino | bit rot? is this a real thing? |
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| 23:34.15 | mofino | never seen in my ... 20+ years |
| 23:34.19 | mofino | it* |
| 23:34.33 | heurist | mofino: not the thing I would worry about in a backup on hard drive. |
| 23:34.45 | mofino | figure usually the drives die first |
| 23:34.46 | Resilience_ | heurist, that is about the media, but I am asking abot data |
| 23:35.02 | mofino | we had some old Maxtor 80GB drives run solid for ... 15 years? |
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| 23:35.09 | mofino | might have been 12 |
| 23:35.13 | heurist | Resilience_: yes, par2 does parity, checksums, and recover. |
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| 23:35.36 | systemdd | i have a maxtor 1.5GB drive from 1995. it still works. |
| 23:35.42 | mofino | systemdd, indeed |
| 23:35.58 | systemdd | sounds like a box of rocks. |
| 23:36.03 | mofino | hahaha |
| 23:36.41 | Resilience_ | I have experienced bitrotting |
| 23:36.44 | pingfloyd | I have a few western digitals still running fine from that same era |
| 23:36.47 | mofino | _really_? |
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| 23:37.03 | Resilience_ | when you have a lot of fles of big file you can have data errors very easy, corrupting the file |
| 23:37.10 | mofino | what? |
| 23:37.45 | Resilience_ | sorrym when you have a lot of files of big size you can have data errors very easy, corrupting the file |
| 23:37.46 | Resilience_ | O :o) |
| 23:37.55 | mofino | i understood you |
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| 23:38.27 | mofino | if that was happening in the real world, we'd have alot of trouble |
| 23:38.34 | Resilience_ | I don't worry about the disk, I worry about the infomration on the disk |
| 23:38.35 | woshty | Most errors just do not make a lot of difference, just a few do. |
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| 23:38.46 | mofino | woshty, haha what!?!? |
| 23:38.49 | Resilience_ | I am archiving music |
| 23:39.03 | mofino | if you get ONE error, it's serious |
| 23:39.18 | heurist | Resilience_: in flack format I hope. |
| 23:39.24 | mofino | imagine a 90GB database... |
| 23:39.25 | dondelelcaro | uncorrected errors happen, but they're fairly unusual |
| 23:39.52 | mofino | if the hardware fails, yes |
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| 23:39.58 | dondelelcaro | they're more likely if you have non-ecc ram, and other things, for example |
| 23:40.03 | woshty | mofino: why, it one bit in some raw image file changes, you might not even be able to see that change .. |
| 23:40.11 | mofino | dondelelcaro, never once seen an ECC correction |
| 23:40.18 | dondelelcaro | mofino: I have |
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| 23:40.36 | mofino | dondelelcaro, actually, once, was heat related |
| 23:40.45 | pingfloyd | No, its that the more sectors involved the worse the adds as in having to role the dice many more times |
| 23:40.56 | mofino | pingfloyd, maybe on your drives... |
| 23:41.08 | pingfloyd | Snake eyes eventually will come up |
| 23:41.13 | mofino | haha |
| 23:41.27 | mofino | ask your bank about that |
| 23:42.01 | mofino | we're talking about bitrot, not failing hardware |
| 23:42.04 | pingfloyd | Bank, pft |
| 23:42.09 | mofino | pingfloyd, :) |
| 23:42.14 | pingfloyd | Because bankers understand technology |
| 23:42.23 | mofino | they have pretty rock solid systems |
| 23:42.31 | pingfloyd | Aren't they still on os/2 |
| 23:42.35 | mofino | hope so |
| 23:43.34 | abrotman | !ot |
| 23:43.34 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 23:43.50 | mofino | oh crap, it's the cops |
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| 23:44.21 | mofino | abrotman, sorry, was quiet |
| 23:44.50 | abrotman | That doesn't make it okay |
| 23:45.11 | heurist | also does not make is quiet. looks noisy to me. (: |
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| 23:55.53 | Resilience_ | is there some channel this server for asking about data integrity for data archival? |
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| 23:59.10 | mofino | Resilience_, sum all your files, verify the sum |
| 23:59.42 | Resilience_ | mofino, I think this topic is, well offtopic, that's why I am asking for the right chaennl ;D |
