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| 00:02.21 | Arr0way | Is there an easy way to add a custom partition layout to the debian installer? |
| 00:02.57 | dvs | manual? |
| 00:02.58 | Arr0way | an option... for a different layout (or modify the existing) I don't want to kickstart. |
| 00:03.46 | pingfloyd | Arr0way: there's manual partition option in the installer |
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| 00:04.29 | JohnnyL | how do I get a mobile pre usb recognized by debian? same hardware setup worked fine using qjackctl under ubuntu. |
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| 00:04.52 | Arr0way | dvs something is broken on one the pre-defined option for "create seperate, home, usr, var and tmp" (not making / large enough) I would like to increase the size of / to fix the "bug" if you can call it a bug - this is for a custom install. |
| 00:04.55 | petemc | Arr0way: you can configure partitions with preseed |
| 00:05.22 | Arr0way | i don't wish to preseed, I just want to increace the default / size of that option. |
| 00:05.32 | future28 | Hey there, I'm currently logged into this system without entering my password - I'm using gnome3 if it matters - What should I do? This is not the intended action |
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| 00:05.58 | pingfloyd | future28: look in the control center for a login option |
| 00:06.08 | JohnnyL | anyone? |
| 00:06.08 | pingfloyd | future28: you may have it set for auto login and need to turn that off |
| 00:06.12 | future28 | pingfloyd: It's already set to "automatic login: no" |
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| 00:06.22 | pingfloyd | future28: does the DM come up? |
| 00:06.34 | pingfloyd | future28: did you maybe remove the DM? |
| 00:06.44 | future28 | pingfloyd: How can I check sorry? |
| 00:06.55 | pingfloyd | future28: does gdm still come up for you? |
| 00:07.06 | future28 | pingfloyd: Yep, I'm in it right now |
| 00:07.07 | JohnnyL | http://pastebin.com/pgFWsP8f |
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| 00:07.26 | pingfloyd | future28: but it's not asking to login but instead going right into the session on its own? |
| 00:07.27 | future28 | pingfloyd: Is there an auth log or something I can reference? |
| 00:07.36 | future28 | pingfloyd: Yep, that's right |
| 00:07.54 | pingfloyd | future28: that sounds like autologin behavior, but if it's showing off, that's pretty strange |
| 00:08.24 | pingfloyd | future28: are there any other DMs installed? |
| 00:08.32 | future28 | pingfloyd: It happens inconsistently - Usually gdm crashes if I try to use it (when it doesn't prompt for password) however this session has not crashed and I'm able to use all commands etc |
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| 00:08.58 | future28 | pingfloyd: Erm, awesome is I think |
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| 00:10.00 | pingfloyd | future28: I don't have gdm installed and am using lightdm myself, but maybe look under /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
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| 00:10.25 | future28 | pingfloyd: My gnome addons are not running either |
| 00:10.35 | future28 | I mean, what are they called? extensions? |
| 00:10.43 | jvghost | hello |
| 00:10.52 | pingfloyd | future28: I'm not sure, I'm running xfce4 |
| 00:11.19 | jvghost | algun español |
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| 00:11.45 | future28 | pingfloyd: Alright, maybe I'll ask gnome |
| 00:11.47 | future28 | Thanks |
| 00:12.28 | jvghost | i soy español |
| 00:12.44 | jvghost | yo uso awesome |
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| 00:15.42 | CinderBDT | dondelelcaro I have procmail installed. I will see if I can figure out how to use it. thank you. |
| 00:17.01 | CinderBDT | dindinx thank you. I installed procmail but I wasn't sure I could use it for mail in nullmailer queue. I thought I had to use it with a message that was in the process of delivery. I need to RTFM some more |
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| 00:17.22 | jvghost | hello |
| 00:17.36 | jvghost | im spanish |
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| 00:17.53 | teraflops | hello me too ;) |
| 00:17.59 | teraflops | ^ |
| 00:18.32 | jvghost | teraflops you speak spanish?? |
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| 00:18.43 | teraflops | jvghost: im spanish ... |
| 00:18.49 | babilen | dpkg: es |
| 00:18.49 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
| 00:20.24 | dooshtuRabbit | English please |
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| 00:20.58 | jvghost | thanks teraflops |
| 00:21.09 | teraflops | oh np jvghost |
| 00:21.20 | jvghost | conoces alguna de hacking en español |
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| 00:21.31 | marioxcc | hello |
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| 00:21.55 | teraflops | uhm pues realmente no jvghost |
| 00:22.04 | jvghost | vale gracias |
| 00:22.08 | teraflops | de nada |
| 00:22.10 | jvghost | y de python |
| 00:22.13 | teraflops | lol |
| 00:22.22 | marioxcc | does Debian automatically restarts daemon if they die? |
| 00:22.28 | teraflops | en español no jvghost, nos van a banear xDD |
| 00:22.31 | marioxcc | (like openssh sshd) |
| 00:22.52 | dondelelcaro | marioxcc: if you're using something like systemd, yes. Otherwise, no. |
| 00:23.00 | teraflops | jvghost: just join to #debian-es |
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| 00:23.15 | marioxcc | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks |
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| 00:46.07 | Dagger | ## The locale used by some modules like mod_dav |
| 00:46.07 | Dagger | export LANG=C |
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| 00:46.42 | Dagger | anybody have any clue *why* apache does this? surely you'd want it to inherit the system locale by default |
| 00:47.05 | dondelelcaro | Dagger: because often that produces odd results |
| 00:47.20 | dondelelcaro | Dagger: like changing sort order, time, etc. |
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| 00:48.19 | Dagger | changing them to what they're supposed to be on the system, you mean? |
| 00:49.29 | dondelelcaro | sure, but sometimes in a way that the module authors weren't expecting |
| 00:49.47 | dondelelcaro | or which exposes bugs or other problems |
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| 00:51.24 | buu | Is there a read limit from /dev/urandom ? |
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| 00:52.02 | Dagger | isn't that just too bad for them, then? that's a bug for those module authors to fix |
| 00:52.24 | Dagger | overriding the locale for the entire apache process as a workaround doesn't seem like the right approach to me |
| 00:52.26 | marioxcc | buu: Not that I know of. It generates pseudorandom data incorporating new entropy as it comes. Do "man urandom". |
| 00:52.32 | osram | buu: no |
| 00:52.46 | buu | I'm getting like 14MB/s from it |
| 00:52.51 | buu | Does that seem reasonable? |
| 00:53.06 | osram | buu: ah, depends on your machine. |
| 00:53.15 | osram | buu: generating random data takes CPU power. |
| 00:53.17 | Dagger | buu: depends what you mean |
| 00:53.29 | Dagger | it seems pretty unreasonable to me, but that does seem to be about how fast /dev/urandom goes |
| 00:53.44 | buu | huh |
| 00:53.54 | buu | You're right, it does show dd using 100% of a core |
| 00:53.56 | buu | How weird. |
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| 00:55.16 | marioxcc | buu: Really, read the man page. Of course than reading from it uses all the CPU you can put to it (in a single core machine). If you do cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null then it's like an endless "while": |
| 00:55.25 | marioxcc | I mean, period at the end, not ":" |
| 00:55.33 | osram | I get ~16MB/s on an old core2-duo. |
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| 00:56.08 | Dagger | buu: I wrote this insanity: http://pastebin.com/guGN2zeS |
| 00:56.32 | Dagger | (I give no correctness or security guarantees for it. it's a damn sight faster than /dev/urandom though) |
| 00:56.32 | marioxcc | osram: what do you want to do anyway? |
| 00:56.46 | buu | Dagger: cute |
| 00:57.16 | osram | marioxcc: Me, nothing. I was responding to buu's query. |
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| 00:57.28 | marioxcc | sorry osram, right |
| 00:58.01 | osram | marioxcc: np :) |
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| 00:58.14 | marioxcc | buu: if you need lots of random input for a program which doesn't has that built-in, then you may be using the program wrong. Generting the pseudorandom data in user space is going to be faster than getting it from the kernel (with all the path it has to travel, including context switches of the CPU, etc...) |
| 00:58.59 | Dagger | marioxcc: I don't think it has anything to do with context switches... I think /dev/urandom just sucks |
| 00:59.00 | marioxcc | You can modify the program to generate its own pseudorandom data and add some bytes from /dev/urandom each 128 MiB or so. |
| 00:59.46 | marioxcc | Dagger: it's possible, but bear in mind that there's some overhead in all the code path related to files, both in the program and in the kernel. |
| 01:00.02 | marioxcc | So it's reasonable that /dev/urandom is relatively slow. |
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| 01:00.55 | Dagger | marioxcc: it's like 10 MB/s vs 160 MB/s for RC4 on my system |
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| 01:02.09 | marioxcc | Dagger: How do you test it? |
| 01:02.22 | marioxcc | do you use a custom C program? |
| 01:02.35 | buu | Ok if dmesg reports messages about ata8 how do I identify what the hell its talking about? |
| 01:04.00 | somiaj | buu: what do you want to know? usually google is good at finding meangings/solutions to specific error messages, are you trying to figure out which device is connected to ata8? |
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| 01:04.35 | Dagger | marioxcc: openssl enc -rc4 -pass pass:"$(dd if=/dev/urandom bs=128 count=1 2>/dev/null | base64)" -nosalt < /dev/zero | dd of=/dev/null bs=1M (hit ctrl+c after a bit, and dd will tell you the speed) |
| 01:05.18 | buu | somiaj: That would help, yeah |
| 01:05.32 | buu | somiaj: I would like to know what the kernel thinks is the device it identifies as ata8 |
| 01:05.33 | Dagger | or you can run it through a FIFO like I did in that pastebin. IIRC it doesn't make much difference to speed |
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| 01:07.50 | marioxcc | Dagger: ok, thanks |
| 01:09.27 | somiaj | buu: you could poke around /proc and maybe find it, though i bet lshw would list it too and be more human readable |
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| 01:10.15 | buu | Hrm |
| 01:10.32 | buu | somiaj: Everything in proc and stuff seems to reference the block device name |
| 01:11.02 | marioxcc | buu: if you want to know the driver of a device you can use "lspci -k" |
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| 01:11.17 | marioxcc | it doesn't works for all cases, for instance, in a Xen PV DomU, it returns nothing |
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| 01:15.40 | atomi | is there a way to add a user to admin group so sudo isn't required? |
| 01:16.11 | atomi | I'm already in sudo group |
| 01:16.16 | atomi | can I add to root? |
| 01:16.45 | somiaj | atomi: what do you mean? There are various ways to create 'admin' groups but they may not mean the same thing you want it to |
| 01:17.19 | somiaj | Are you just not wanting to type sudo before your commands or are you wanting to do somethign else? |
| 01:17.34 | atomi | yeah don't want to sudo |
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| 01:19.21 | somiaj | atomi: that is not going to be an easy thing to do. What are you doing that reequires you use root privaltes a lot? |
| 01:19.43 | atomi | sudo adduser atomi root |
| 01:19.48 | atomi | that worked |
| 01:20.32 | somiaj | well that gives you access to groups that root can see, but I don't think it did what you wanted it to. |
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| 01:20.41 | atomi | somiaj: the issue is that I require directories to be root so that they mount with the correct permissions inside a docker container |
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| 01:21.48 | atomi | somiaj: it did work |
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| 01:23.44 | atomi | somiaj: it works in my case as I just need the folder permissions not binaries |
| 01:23.58 | somiaj | atomi: then you did not explain yourself correctly. What you needed was permisions to read a filesystem not to runn a command. Usually a group other than root is used for this, and you configure the filesystem to have the filesystem owned by some other group |
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| 01:24.43 | atomi | somiaj: correct but again in my case the directory needs to be owned by root for the volume mounts in docker containers to function correctly |
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| 01:25.10 | atomi | so adding myself to root group works well enough |
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| 01:26.14 | somiaj | atomi: owned by root and the group it uses are two different things |
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| 01:30.27 | atomi | in this case both are required |
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| 01:36.55 | rj47 | hi! could you tell what might cause this ` warn: logger: failed to add syslog method: logger: syslog initialization failed ` to spamassasin ? |
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| 01:38.59 | jvghost | hello all could someone please tell me the non-free repositories(multiverse) for debian wheezy?cant find the right ones in internet |
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| 01:39.07 | jvghost | please help me |
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| 01:40.22 | jvghost | hello all could someone please tell me the non-free repositories(multiverse) for debian wheezy?cant find the right ones in internet |
| 01:40.41 | ghormoon | hi, what's the best approach to mount single samba share as non-root? I've found tings like smbnetfs, but that doesn't seem to be the right way, I (usually) need only one particular (hidden) share, not whole network ... just something that would behave similar to mount but under fuse ... worst case I can specify those shares in fstab, but I'd like to not mess with that for new shares in future |
| 01:41.20 | jvghost | i dont understand |
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| 01:41.44 | Epakai | jvghost: there is no multiverse in debian, as far as i know all the primary mirrors also mirror the non-free repository |
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| 01:43.00 | jvghost | thanks |
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| 01:43.36 | rebauld | ghormoon: which way are you going? linux->windows or windows->linux |
| 01:44.00 | ghormoon | rebauld: bsd->linux :) |
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| 01:45.11 | ghormoon | i.e. I need client on the debian station, not server (and I need something that can be told to use samba2 or 3, i'll get refused with 1) |
| 01:45.38 | somiaj | jvghost: care to share your sources.list you are using. |
| 01:46.08 | somiaj | ghormoon: look at the cifs tools, you can just mount a cifs file system like any other file system. |
| 01:46.35 | ghormoon | I can mount it as root using mount, but I'd like to be able to do that without root |
| 01:46.38 | rebauld | are there cifs tools on bsd? |
| 01:46.55 | rebauld | ghormoon: some type of sudo on bsd? |
| 01:47.00 | rj47 | hello, what might cause spamassasin syslog "warn: logger: failed to add syslog method: logger: syslog initialization failed" ? |
| 01:47.13 | ghormoon | rebauld: maybe using arrow was not good way, bsd is server, debian is client |
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| 01:47.39 | rebauld | ghormoon: actually ask in #samba they would know exactly what you can do |
| 01:47.50 | ghormoon | I know how to mount it on debian using mount as root/sudo, but there should be way to do that using fuse without root permissions |
| 01:48.04 | rebauld | is there fuse on bsd? |
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| 01:48.17 | ghormoon | rebauld: why does that matter? |
| 01:48.35 | rebauld | are you using fuse in you mount as root/sudo? |
| 01:48.56 | ghormoon | is it any different for the samba server, if the client uses mount or fuse? |
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| 01:50.09 | [sr] | i've upgraded from mysql 5.0 to 5.5 |
| 01:50.31 | [sr] | and i have an issue that im aware of, and i don't want the upgrade script to run |
| 01:50.49 | [sr] | 'cause it wont finish, how can i prevent it from start running every start of mysql? |
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| 02:13.47 | s7r | where would be a good place to rent something like ~2TB of storage online, to make a backup via ssh/scp of my server? |
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| 02:15.15 | somiaj | s7r: mostly offtopic here, but lots of places to rent space depending on what you want it for. Getting space that has an ssh server to access it is sometimes a bit moreexpensive. |
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| 02:17.53 | buu | s7r: aws is expensive but powerful |
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| 02:17.56 | buu | backblaze is cheap but limited |
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| 02:18.19 | s7r | thx |
| 02:20.03 | rebauld | just go to walmart they is gonna be way cheaper then the cloud stuff and you get to keep it and also others won't see it |
| 02:20.16 | jvghost | how i install multiverse on debian |
| 02:20.28 | jvghost | please help me |
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| 02:23.09 | abrotman | jvghost: No such thing as multiverse in Debian, what are you actually trying to do? |
| 02:23.12 | somiaj | jvghost: what do you mean by multiverse? |
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| 02:29.59 | abrotman | Very interesting .. |
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| 02:40.34 | Arahael | What's the easiest way for me to backup my android tablet from debian? |
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| 02:42.56 | rebauld | do you have ssh access? |
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| 02:44.27 | Arahael | rebauld: Not really no. I don't have the luxery of rooting it. |
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| 02:45.04 | rebauld | how much to backup? email it to yourself? |
| 02:45.40 | rebauld | install an ftp client ? use the dcc ?? |
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| 02:46.53 | Arahael | rebauld: I'd prefer to backup the _device_. Ie, all applications, all data. |
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| 02:48.04 | Devastator | Arahael does your android tablet have an sdcard slot? |
| 02:48.23 | threadlock | Arahael: some android backup tool on your phone -> phone sd-card -> pc |
| 02:48.39 | Arahael | Devastator: It does, actually. Maybe I should use that as a medium. Clunky though, I'd prefer something vaguely automated. |
| 02:48.42 | hesco1 | I am trying to sort out what process(es) have eaten up all of my ram. top gives me no clues, neither does an examination of the memory stats (/sys/fs/cgroup/memory/docker) on the docker containers on the host. What other tools or file paths (something in /proc, perhaps?) are worth exploring? |
| 02:49.01 | rebauld | Arahael: see if you have a tool on your phone -> phone sd-card -> pc |
| 02:49.03 | buu | hesco1: Top doesn't list processes using memory? |
| 02:49.11 | buu | hesco1: What makes you think your ram is eaten up? |
| 02:49.15 | Devastator | Arahael you can use that as a medium and some backup tool from play store |
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| 02:50.55 | jvghost | how i install kali linux tools in debian??,please help me |
| 02:51.31 | Arahael | Devastator: I think that will be the way to go. :) |
| 02:51.59 | jvghost | arahael do you help me plis |
| 02:52.09 | Devastator | !kali |
| 02:52.09 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 02:52.10 | threadlock | or f-droid https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=dk.jens.backup |
| 02:52.20 | threadlock | oh, non-rooted phone |
| 02:52.27 | Arahael | jvghost: Why would I help you? |
| 02:52.40 | Arahael | threadlock: Yeah. I'll loose my DRM keys if I root it. :( |
| 02:52.44 | rebauld | Arahael: get and then give |
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| 02:53.16 | Arahael | rebauld: I'll help people if I know the topic, I have _no idea_ about kali linux tools. |
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| 02:54.45 | rebauld | /msg Arahael just google it like i do ;) |
| 02:55.04 | rebauld | or tell them to rtrm |
| 02:55.18 | Arahael | rebauld: What's your point? |
| 02:55.41 | jvghost | how i install kali linux tools in debian??,please help me |
| 02:55.56 | Devastator | !tell jvghost about kali |
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| 02:56.16 | Devastator | and stop repeating yourself |
| 02:58.45 | Arahael | jvghost: Firstly, you don't generally beg a _random_ guy to help you. Usually you join a chat channel that discusses the particular issue you have (in this case, Kali, apparently), and then you ask _them_ for help about it. |
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| 02:59.36 | somiaj | jvghost: You have let to answer the question of what it is you really want to do. Until you ask a good question you will not get a good response. |
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| 02:59.51 | Arahael | jvghost: If someone knows the issue, they'll usually reply. Otherwise, just use google. However, like asking Apple for an issue you might have with Visual Studio (a microsoft-specific tool), you also don't ask #debian for an issue with random different operating system that is not debian. |
| 03:00.08 | somiaj | jvghost: and mixing debian and kali is not supported, so best to define what you want to do and find a solution that works well within debian. |
| 03:00.08 | Arahael | jvghost: And we are assuming you are referring to Kali Linux. |
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| 03:00.23 | Arahael | jvghost: Kali is not Debian. |
| 03:01.48 | nunizacu | eh, i would love to see debian work on my sparcstation5 |
| 03:01.56 | nunizacu | but not debian from 2005 |
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| 03:02.21 | Arahael | jvghost: Well, there's also a drawing package called kali, actually, which _is_ in debian, but your question was about installing the "kali linux tools", not "how do I install the kali application so that I can do some drawing? When I try to install kali using 'aptitude install kali', it says "Permission denied", but I want it to install. |
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| 03:04.05 | nunizacu | eh guys... http://docs.kali.org/general-use/kali-linux-sources-list-repositories |
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| 03:04.18 | nunizacu | just add to sources list and install |
| 03:04.36 | Arahael | nunizacu: Those aren't debian. |
| 03:05.03 | Arahael | nunizacu: You'll probably completely mess up your system if you do that. |
| 03:05.49 | nunizacu | i heard it should work |
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| 03:06.03 | nunizacu | i dont know i wont try |
| 03:06.16 | nunizacu | debian has more than enough packages |
| 03:06.51 | Arahael | nunizacu: The packages aren't the problem. |
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| 03:07.26 | Arahael | nunizacu: It's configuring them - and configuration is different from release to release, and OS to OS, and the packages themselves have different dependencies. |
| 03:07.51 | nunizacu | man depencies hell was erly slackware |
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| 03:08.04 | nunizacu | debian is haven compared to that |
| 03:08.21 | Arahael | nunizacu: No. Dependency hell is a mixed system. |
| 03:08.34 | astings | windows is the best os in the world |
| 03:08.40 | nunizacu | yeah, try slack 2-3 |
| 03:08.43 | ghormoon | Arahael: true, I've once added ubuntu repositories because of steam .... bad bad bad idea ... |
| 03:09.01 | nunizacu | and hunt down each source package and every possible depenecy and dependency of that depency by hand |
| 03:09.31 | Arahael | nunizacu: I'm pretty sure slack has tools to help with that. |
| 03:09.42 | nunizacu | maybe now |
| 03:09.45 | rebauld | astings: no it isn't dos and os2 were |
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| 03:10.22 | nunizacu | when i was starting with slack years ago it was just hunting for source packages it was more like lfs with no instructions |
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| 03:10.31 | nunizacu | other than errors from ./configure |
| 03:10.36 | astings | the most powerful supercomputers run with windows |
| 03:10.59 | Arahael | astings: Haha. Maybe on the interface. |
| 03:11.01 | pingfloyd | when you say os2 I know you're joking or are a banker |
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| 03:11.16 | nunizacu | maybe he mean room with windows |
| 03:11.43 | nunizacu | so every one can see something more unbelivable than ufo |
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| 03:11.50 | rebauld_ | astings: lying ain't gonna help your case |
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| 03:12.09 | pingfloyd | that's because it needs all the extra horsepower to do the same as a super computer running linux |
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| 03:12.20 | jvghost | yeah |
| 03:12.44 | nunizacu | best supercomputers was early ps3 |
| 03:12.54 | nunizacu | before they blocked linux |
| 03:13.35 | nunizacu | it was chepest way to do supercomputing in the world |
| 03:14.19 | nunizacu | but now, as ps4 is out, ps3 prices drop, maybe just hack some and do it again |
| 03:14.46 | Arahael | nunizacu: iirc, it wasn't that fast, except in the concurrent computing space. |
| 03:14.51 | astings | flash player is a GNU software,maintained for free software adobe foundation,thanks to they we can run flash player and watch videos |
| 03:14.52 | ghormoon | ps2 was good too in it's time |
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| 03:15.06 | nunizacu | especialy with black rhino |
| 03:15.16 | Jesperhead | hey folks, have a few questions involving my beaglebone black running the debian arm distro. #beagle is a bit idle atm. I'm attempting a little hobby project using the black and an atrix lapdock as an improvised laptop. Theres plenty of info from google, the only issue is i have a different lapdock. So want I'm hoping to learn tonight, is what debian tools/cmds can i use to learn more about... |
| 03:15.18 | Jesperhead | ...the current hdmi and usb connections |
| 03:15.21 | rebauld_ | flash is gnu software? does adobe know that |
| 03:15.48 | nunizacu | lsusb lspci |
| 03:16.07 | Jesperhead | pci contains the hdmi info? |
| 03:16.20 | nunizacu | about hdmi stat i dont know, i dont have many monitors |
| 03:16.29 | Jesperhead | ah i see |
| 03:16.56 | Jesperhead | im currently ssh'd into the black. I dont have a GUI installed, just looking for terminal ability |
| 03:17.07 | Jesperhead | to get terminal output* |
| 03:17.37 | nunizacu | maybe write to frame buffer |
| 03:18.10 | nunizacu | afair there is fb console driver for linux |
| 03:18.44 | astings | if linux is best than windows why install some program or application is a ass pain. |
| 03:19.03 | nunizacu | and even if not if you have beagle you should have more than enough info about it to write one |
| 03:19.33 | nunizacu | i have linux on arm but not on beagle |
| 03:19.34 | Jesperhead | hmm maybe |
| 03:19.36 | sabun | astings: how painful is it? |
| 03:19.54 | Jesperhead | lots of info for the other atrix lapdock involving resolution problems |
| 03:19.56 | sabun | nunizacu: bsd on beagle? |
| 03:20.34 | nunizacu | i dont have beagle |
| 03:20.47 | rebauld_ | sabun: ass pain level ;) |
| 03:20.49 | nunizacu | man, i have so much hardware i dont have place to move |
| 03:21.16 | rebauld_ | nunizacu: you gots winter there? is it all running? |
| 03:22.00 | nunizacu | man, i live half mile to airport |
| 03:22.09 | nunizacu | i dont hear what works and what dont |
| 03:22.30 | rebauld_ | oh i thought you were gonna say you can't hear the airplanes with all the fans going |
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| 03:23.10 | nunizacu | i had that situation |
| 03:23.22 | nunizacu | i have big hp server + array |
| 03:23.28 | Jesperhead | well how about this, ignore the beaglebone portion, ignore the lapdock. As a debian distro with an hcmi connection to a monitor, if you had no output, what would you first inspect? |
| 03:23.38 | nunizacu | its so loud i cant hear screem |
| 03:24.07 | Jesperhead | hdmi* |
| 03:24.12 | nunizacu | well, i would redirect output to serial port |
| 03:24.21 | Jesperhead | burn |
| 03:24.35 | nunizacu | so i would replace it |
| 03:25.06 | nunizacu | i have sparcstation5 that cannot be used without exotic hardware or serial port |
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| 03:25.36 | Jesperhead | oof whats the msrp on that? lol |
| 03:25.44 | nunizacu | no floopy cd station, monitor output made by drunk monkeys, same keybard |
| 03:26.14 | Jesperhead | ohhh ok its an old box |
| 03:26.23 | nunizacu | only way to communicate is serial port |
| 03:26.30 | rebauld_ | nunizacu: you needing some 5 1/4" floppy disk drives? |
| 03:26.31 | nunizacu | but its the same as my cisco routers |
| 03:26.48 | rebauld_ | or db-25 connectors for you antique serial port? |
| 03:27.03 | nunizacu | i have some but i guess you would pay fortune for mailing that |
| 03:27.09 | nunizacu | i live on the end of universe |
| 03:27.22 | nunizacu | dont belive geoip |
| 03:27.39 | nunizacu | i can change it to canada, germany of whatever |
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| 03:28.47 | nunizacu | i have connector for serial port |
| 03:29.04 | nunizacu | esier to get than connector for cisco |
| 03:29.08 | astings | darth vader approves this? |
| 03:29.23 | nunizacu | he has to listen to his master |
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| 03:31.59 | nunizacu | great , debian-sparc is under termination and i was kicked |
| 03:32.08 | nunizacu | no body love old pizzaboxes |
| 03:32.19 | nunizacu | it almost had 80 bogomips |
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| 03:33.17 | nunizacu | like my old old old old old cellphone witch had polyphonic ringtones |
| 03:33.31 | nunizacu | not that evil mp3 |
| 03:33.54 | nunizacu | i still prefer contra soundtrack better than anyting |
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| 03:34.15 | nunizacu | i you could olny run some *nix on nes |
| 03:34.34 | nunizacu | hmm... maybe in some free time |
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| 03:35.29 | nunizacu | if you can acces cpu, some kind of memory and framebuffer it isnt impossible |
| 03:35.44 | nunizacu | compiler would be bigger problem |
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| 04:06.43 | d3c0 | !hi |
| 04:06.46 | dpkg | hello, d3c0 |
| 04:07.37 | d3c0 | how I change the python version to work 2.7 to 3.2 in Wheezy ?\ |
| 04:08.16 | nunizacu | you mean so when you call python it run v3.2 instead of 2.7 ? |
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| 04:08.32 | d3c0 | yes |
| 04:08.40 | nunizacu | change python symlink |
| 04:09.26 | thoonai | hey |
| 04:09.33 | thoonai | my pidgin annoys me |
| 04:09.52 | nunizacu | but i would be afraid to do it systemwide |
| 04:09.54 | thoonai | it LEAVES the channels I'm in when I close pidgin |
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| 04:10.15 | thoonai | but I use znc so it renders my bouncer obsolete |
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| 04:10.33 | nunizacu | maybe just use irssi? |
| 04:10.54 | thoonai | nunizacu: irrsi does not have a built in log function ;) |
| 04:11.29 | Arahael | Bah. My sony tablet backup is to a hidden directory with encryption I have no way of knowing about. Stupid commercial crap. |
| 04:11.45 | nunizacu | it t has |
| 04:12.05 | thoonai | nunizacu: I use irssi mostly, but since I use pidgin for XMPP, I'd really like to use one program to access all protocols |
| 04:12.12 | Arahael | thoonai: Irssi definitely does have a built in logger. Not enabled by default, mind you, but it has it regardless. |
| 04:12.29 | nunizacu | just /set autolog on |
| 04:12.38 | nunizacu | and set path for log |
| 04:12.38 | Arahael | thoonai: You could use a multi-protocol app such as pidgin, or do you insist on an irc frontend? bitlbee I think is the name. |
| 04:13.08 | nunizacu | it has even filters |
| 04:13.42 | thoonai | Arahael: I'm quite fond of pidgin for using it with xmpp |
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| 04:14.26 | nunizacu | btw you can use xmpp on irssi |
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| 04:15.03 | nunizacu | and you can screen it |
| 04:15.28 | thoonai | I don't like the idea |
| 04:15.48 | thoonai | I have to have my server online 24/7 |
| 04:16.31 | nunizacu | why? |
| 04:16.58 | thoonai | and being able to access it, while the client only method just relies on the xmpp servers |
| 04:17.22 | thoonai | oh probably I'm not getting it right |
| 04:17.25 | Arahael | thoonai: Run it on the client, then. |
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| 04:17.40 | nunizacu | or use free shell account |
| 04:17.53 | nunizacu | if i havent so much work i could make you one |
| 04:17.59 | thoonai | Arahael: then a bitlbee on every client is a bit overkill |
| 04:18.16 | thoonai | whats a free shell account? |
| 04:18.35 | d3c0 | nunizacu: how ? |
| 04:18.48 | nunizacu | acount with shell that you dont pay for? |
| 04:19.00 | nunizacu | d3c0: how what? im getting lost |
| 04:19.18 | d3c0 | xD |
| 04:19.32 | nunizacu | to much questions, system overload |
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| 04:19.43 | d3c0 | haha ok! |
| 04:20.01 | nunizacu | prepere for time space continnuum disturbances |
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| 04:20.11 | thoonai | nunizacu: I'm sorry, but I don't like this option |
| 04:20.13 | d3c0 | configure the python 2.7 to 3.2 or only in virtualeenv |
| 04:20.41 | nunizacu | thoonai: man, one likes apple, other like when his feet stinks |
| 04:21.16 | nunizacu | thoonai: your choice, if you dont mind chanel droping |
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| 04:22.04 | nunizacu | i use windows for browser and ssh access almost only |
| 04:22.17 | thoonai | nunizacu: nah this is not comparable. its great from you to offer me such an account, but I would be stupid to accept an account where someone can read my stuff |
| 04:22.49 | nunizacu | thats why you can use ssl, cipher home folder |
| 04:23.12 | nunizacu | anyway, you think now noone cant read your stuff? |
| 04:23.15 | thoonai | nunizacu: nah its ok |
| 04:23.30 | nunizacu | anyone between you and irc server can read your stuff |
| 04:23.35 | thoonai | I'll just don't use pidgin anymore |
| 04:23.45 | nunizacu | even anyone in your home network |
| 04:24.00 | thoonai | nunizacu: its not about the irc, its about the xmpp stuff |
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| 04:24.43 | nunizacu | whatever unencrypted protocol you use anyone can read it if he is mim or same network |
| 04:25.08 | nunizacu | if you so considered about privacy use sasl ssl tor |
| 04:25.16 | thoonai | nunizacu: to enabling bitlbee to collect my encrypted communication I'd need to place the private key on the servre |
| 04:25.24 | thoonai | but I'm totally tired |
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| 04:25.42 | thoonai | so probably I don't make much sense |
| 04:25.48 | thoonai | have a good night/day |
| 04:25.55 | thoonai | I'm off |
| 04:26.14 | nunizacu | like someone would be interested in your xmpp conversations... duh |
| 04:26.24 | nunizacu | better dont use google dns |
| 04:26.35 | nunizacu | they track websites you visit |
| 04:26.46 | yk_ | exit |
| 04:27.11 | thoonai | nunizacu: 1) nsa 2) there are free dns servers working great beside google dns |
| 04:27.45 | thoonai | nunizacu: lets not discuss, I'm just off |
| 04:27.55 | thoonai | nunizacu: goodbye |
| 04:28.00 | nunizacu | nsa is americans problem :D |
| 04:28.00 | Arrowmaster | if you are concerned about dns being tracked you should be running your own |
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| 04:28.33 | nunizacu | i do |
| 04:28.33 | Arahael | Pfft. |
| 04:29.17 | nunizacu | i dont know, he seells uranium or what on xmpp? |
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| 04:31.38 | nunizacu | and nsa is cool if is checking every server in the world and read all logs |
| 04:32.29 | nunizacu | they must have more agents than chinese nation population count |
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| 04:35.37 | tytan | I know this isn't exactly what this channel is about. But I don't know where to ask anymore... There is a NAS in my network. It is accessed by a hand full of Windows 7 clients and one iMac. After upgrading to Yosemite I don't have any permissions on that NAS. Could it be related to the fact that Yosemite uses SMB3 as default smb protocoll? Do you have another idea? |
| 04:37.41 | nunizacu | maybe |
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| 04:38.39 | nunizacu | but how to fix it depends what nas you use |
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| 04:38.51 | Arahael | Best to contact the vendor. |
| 04:38.59 | Arahael | It's their responsibility, usually. |
| 04:39.12 | Arahael | As for Yosemite, it would surely be using samba. |
| 04:39.16 | Cpuroast | tytan: try CIFS://serverAddress |
| 04:39.26 | Arahael | cifs is the old fashioned protocol, isn't it? |
| 04:39.29 | Cpuroast | yes |
| 04:39.32 | Cpuroast | it makes it fall back |
| 04:39.35 | Cpuroast | to SMB 1 |
| 04:39.40 | fabienne_ | hello all, where would I begin to diagnose my brightness controls not working? Just installed Jessie w/ Gnome, gnome's builtin controls don't work nor does xbacklight. |
| 04:39.41 | nunizacu | or use nfs |
| 04:39.41 | Cpuroast | which is sometimes more compatible |
| 04:39.44 | tytan | Arahael: Cpuroast Do I have to manually mount it like that after every reboot? |
| 04:39.50 | Cpuroast | tytan: huh? |
| 04:40.09 | Cpuroast | tytan: how were you mounting it previously? |
| 04:40.15 | Arahael | Cpuroast: Ah, a good idea. |
| 04:41.13 | tytan | Cpuroast: Just found it in Finder (default file manager of OS X) in the network tab, clicked on it and bam. works. In Mavericks at least :D |
| 04:41.28 | Cpuroast | yah advertised via Bonjour |
| 04:41.48 | Cpuroast | you can script the mount using shell scripting or applescript |
| 04:41.56 | Cpuroast | and add it to your login items |
| 04:42.04 | Cpuroast | so it uses CIFS:// instead of SMB:// |
| 04:42.30 | Cpuroast | tytan: every OSX version has had SMB issues upon release |
| 04:42.46 | Cpuroast | they tend to get fixed in a future release |
| 04:42.56 | nunizacu | hmm, i would check on my imac but i have to much stuff on my table |
| 04:43.01 | Cpuroast | probably 10.10.1, .2 or .3 |
| 04:43.02 | tytan | Cpuroast: You mean it could be better in maybe OS X 10.10.1 or later? |
| 04:43.05 | Cpuroast | yes |
| 04:43.43 | Cpuroast | and this is why hoping onto a new OS version on a machine you actually do work on |
| 04:43.47 | Cpuroast | when it's first released |
| 04:43.50 | Cpuroast | is a bad idea |
| 04:44.05 | Arahael | Regardless of operating system. |
| 04:44.17 | Cpuroast | yup |
| 04:44.43 | Cpuroast | on a testing machine, you don't care much about, sure why not |
| 04:44.50 | Cpuroast | it's fun to play around with new things |
| 04:45.09 | tytan | Cpuroast: So I have to live with the cifs:// until it eventually works in the later versions of Yosemite or I could downgrade to Maverciks if this NAS is very important to the client... ^^ |
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| 04:45.24 | Cpuroast | that's up to you |
| 04:45.32 | Cpuroast | a downgrade is a more involved fix |
| 04:45.39 | Cpuroast | I'd say live with CIFS:// |
| 04:45.42 | Cpuroast | until it's fixed |
| 04:46.00 | Cpuroast | and just hope it's in .1 |
| 04:46.03 | Cpuroast | and not .5 |
| 04:46.04 | Cpuroast | :) |
| 04:46.14 | Arahael | Mind you, if it's a common smb issue, it'll probably be in .1 |
| 04:46.25 | Cpuroast | depends |
| 04:46.34 | Arahael | *probably. |
| 04:46.34 | Cpuroast | we had a horrible SMB issue with 10.6 |
| 04:46.38 | Cpuroast | that was only fixed in .3 |
| 04:47.10 | Arahael | Bah. It's depressing, actually, that we still have file access difficulties today. |
| 04:47.14 | Cpuroast | and I remember 10.9's smb issues were fixed in .2 or .3 I guess |
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| 04:48.14 | tytan | Cpuroast: The problem is that I am not the user. The user is a normal customer who just followed the advise of the appstore app to upgrade his OS. I as a Debian user don't mind mounting a nas with cifs:// but he could :/ Now I have to offer him the three options. That's why I use Mavericks on my MacBook Pro as long as everything works just fine for me. "Never touch a running system" :D |
| 04:48.43 | Cpuroast | oh |
| 04:48.50 | Cpuroast | I'll upgrade to yosemite in time |
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| 04:49.15 | Cpuroast | I'd like to actually use the continuity features and SMS/Voice gateway functionality |
| 04:49.42 | Cpuroast | but not at the expense of loosing stability |
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| 04:50.02 | Cpuroast | tytan: just make him a shortcut on his desktop |
| 04:50.11 | Cpuroast | to the share using CIFS://server |
| 04:50.20 | Cpuroast | even if it gets disconnected |
| 04:50.24 | Cpuroast | when he clicks on it |
| 04:50.29 | Cpuroast | it will immediately reconnect |
| 04:50.51 | Cpuroast | and make it a favorite in the "connect to server" option |
| 04:50.53 | tytan | Cpuroast: I installed Yosemite on a thumb drive and tested it. And since not everything works with Yosemity for me yet and I need this machine to work seemlessly I didn't upgrade ^^ Thanks for the hint! Now I have to figure out how to create this shortcut ^^' |
| 04:51.15 | Arahael | tytan: Applescript the finder, if you can. |
| 04:51.28 | Cpuroast | yup a quick applescript will do it too |
| 04:51.31 | Arahael | tytan: You can compile them quite easily inot an "application", though I don't know the precise commands in this case. |
| 04:51.44 | Arahael | tytan: And giving it to him as an "application" is a fairly elegant way to do it. |
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| 04:52.35 | Cpuroast | let me get the applescript syntax |
| 04:52.48 | Cpuroast | I have that exact app bundle at work |
| 04:52.56 | tytan | Cpuroast: Thank you. I was worried about how to do that |
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| 04:53.06 | huleo | hi |
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| 04:53.33 | diabolique | guys just a quick question. what should i add on my sources.list if i wanted to have backports. I wish to install a newer version of a program |
| 04:54.08 | dvs | !tell diabolique about backports |
| 04:54.13 | Simplar | hello, can you guide me on how can I include a custom icon to my program? |
| 04:54.14 | diabolique | thanks |
| 04:54.22 | tytan | diabolique: Are you on Wheezy stable right now? |
| 04:54.39 | huleo | https://wiki.debian.org/QemuUserEmulation <- I'm having a problem chrooting into ARM fs |
| 04:54.50 | huleo | all three packages installed, qemu-arm-static copied where it belongs |
| 04:54.54 | huleo | still - "Exec format error" |
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| 04:55.20 | tytan | diabolique: deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main |
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| 04:56.19 | fabienne_ | does debian ship with an xorg.conf? jessie that is |
| 04:56.34 | huleo | fabienne_: nope, not anymore |
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| 04:56.53 | huleo | configuration is auto-generated each time you start Xorg |
| 04:57.02 | fabienne_ | huleo: what exactly replaced it? Im having issues controlling my backlight |
| 04:57.08 | Arahael | trivial to generate too now, if you need it. |
| 04:57.18 | huleo | fabienne_: yup, you still can use it |
| 04:57.27 | huleo | it's just not there by default |
| 04:57.51 | Cpuroast | tytan: http://pastebin.com/HTRzrqYx |
| 04:57.57 | fabienne_ | huleo: great, will any issues arise if I create it and then later delete it? |
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| 04:58.29 | Arahael | fabienne_: I haven't ever had issues with my backlight, however I would be surprised if it was fixed with a custom xorg.conf file. |
| 04:58.48 | Arahael | fabienne_: As there's usually some other way to configure these at runtime now, though I forget the name. |
| 04:59.05 | huleo | https://wiki.debian.org/Xorg <- section "What if I do not have an xorg config file?" |
| 04:59.11 | fabienne_ | ok thanks, I just haven't had any luck yet and someone on a recent forum post suggested tinkering the xorg file |
| 04:59.16 | tytan | Cpuroast: is the try command a serious command? :D |
| 04:59.20 | Cpuroast | yes |
| 04:59.23 | Rusty1 | huleo: there is a #quemu channel, suggests the oftc one, but you knew that |
| 04:59.24 | Cpuroast | it's applescript syntax |
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| 04:59.32 | tytan | So I can copy/paste that? |
| 04:59.40 | Cpuroast | into applescript editor |
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| 04:59.45 | Cpuroast | then you can export |
| 04:59.49 | fabienne_ | huleo: thanks |
| 04:59.53 | Cpuroast | and then choose application bundle |
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| 05:00.27 | Cpuroast | tytan: where it says file format, choose "Application" |
| 05:00.36 | Cpuroast | give it a name and tada |
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| 05:00.40 | Arahael | Cpuroast: I'm intereted in taking a peek of that, as I actually only had my first look at applescript last week. |
| 05:00.59 | Cpuroast | I use shell scripting mostly |
| 05:01.07 | Cpuroast | because of it's portability between OSX and Linux |
| 05:01.17 | Cpuroast | but Applescript comes in handy |
| 05:01.21 | Cpuroast | for some things |
| 05:01.29 | tytan | Cpuroast: Does it have to be an ip adress or could I tae the NAS name as well? |
| 05:01.37 | Cpuroast | could be IP, could be DNS |
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| 05:01.45 | Cpuroast | as long as the NAS's DNS is resolvable |
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| 05:02.33 | Cpuroast | never thought I'd be giving OSX advice in #debian |
| 05:02.38 | Cpuroast | who'd have thunk |
| 05:02.38 | diabolique | tytan, yes i am in wheezy stable. can i pm you? I just want to confirm something w/ my sources.list |
| 05:02.51 | tytan | diabolique: sure |
| 05:04.42 | tytan | Do you know where I can find the nice Server icon that would normally appear on my desktop after mounting the server to make the applescript application look better? :D |
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| 05:05.07 | Cpuroast | tytan: mount a share, do properties |
| 05:05.11 | Cpuroast | click on the icon |
| 05:05.27 | Cpuroast | do copy, do properties on the app bundle you just created |
| 05:05.33 | Cpuroast | click the icon |
| 05:05.35 | Cpuroast | do paste |
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| 05:06.29 | tytan | Cpuroast: Why aren't you in the MAC OS X channel? xD |
| 05:06.35 | Cpuroast | I am |
| 05:06.35 | Cpuroast | :) |
| 05:06.40 | Cpuroast | you were asking questions |
| 05:06.45 | Cpuroast | here about SMB |
| 05:07.56 | Cpuroast | probably more appropriate to take this OSX talk back to the expected channel |
| 05:08.06 | Arahael_Twin | Cpuroast: #macdev is a closed channel? |
| 05:08.27 | Cpuroast | not that I know of |
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| 05:12.40 | tytan | Cpuroast: Where did you learn about applescript? |
| 05:12.43 | Arahael | Cpuroast: Ah, I had issues with my ghost. :) |
| 05:12.56 | Cpuroast | tytan: Applescript isn't really new |
| 05:12.59 | Cpuroast | it's quite old actually |
| 05:13.17 | tytan | Cpuroast: I know but I don't know much about it ... somehow |
| 05:13.18 | Cpuroast | also, the syntax is quite straightforward |
| 05:13.29 | Cpuroast | since it's very similar to human language |
| 05:13.45 | Arahael | Ancient in terms of computing, though the apple dev site has good documentation, except alas, they neglect to show how to discover the API. |
| 05:13.52 | Cpuroast | also, applescript editor, gives you a library of all the functions you can access |
| 05:13.58 | tytan | Cpuroast: Wasn't there a change that you could also use javascript? |
| 05:14.21 | Cpuroast | maybe, not aware of that |
| 05:14.57 | Arahael | tytan: I imagine it leverages the ObC framework these days. So if Javascript works, it'd likely be using it via the objc framework. |
| 05:15.42 | tytan | Arahael: nice to know ^_^ |
| 05:15.55 | Arahael | tytan: Don't quote me though. |
| 05:16.25 | tytan | why not? |
| 05:16.42 | Cpuroast | tytan: also, you can add that "app" bundle to his login items |
| 05:16.49 | Cpuroast | so he doesn't even need to click it |
| 05:17.05 | Cpuroast | it will autorun it at login and therefore mount the volume |
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| 05:17.26 | Arahael | tytan: Because I'm not a source of truth. |
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| 05:19.06 | tytan | Me neither. I didn't mean to be unpolitely. English is not my native language. So sorry if I did something wrong ^^' |
| 05:19.07 | jackson5 | help |
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| 05:19.21 | tytan | Cpuroast: Applescript can be so cool :D |
| 05:19.25 | Arahael | tytan: The implication was that I wasn't 100% sure of my claim. |
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| 05:19.35 | Cpuroast | tytan: it has it's uses yes |
| 05:20.27 | Cpuroast | and after opening a ticket with Apple, they finally fixed in 10.10 an annoyance with it that was nagging me. |
| 05:20.45 | Cpuroast | when you used applescript to tell the system to restart or shutdown |
| 05:21.07 | tytan | Cpuroast: Why would you want that? :D |
| 05:21.13 | Cpuroast | it would ignore the fact that you had told it not to restore the state of your apps upon next boot |
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| 05:21.43 | Cpuroast | so if you shutdown/restart with the apple menu, it followed it, if you did it via applescript, it didn't |
| 05:21.57 | tytan | Cpuroast: Sounds strange |
| 05:22.13 | Cpuroast | nah, it's been around since Apple introduced session restore |
| 05:22.20 | Arahael | tytan: Restarting is useful to work around some issues iwth the kernel when loading modules, and other services. |
| 05:22.29 | Cpuroast | and they only just fixed it in 10.10 |
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| 05:23.16 | mo1991 | Is any other aspect of debian affected by the drupal compromise other than the "drupal" site directory? |
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| 05:23.33 | Cpuroast | I use a shell script to set my windows partition as the next boot partition and then calls applescript to cleanly restart the system |
| 05:23.46 | tytan | I don't like session restore. It sometimes restores parts of my last session after reboot even though the checkbox wasn't set :/ |
| 05:24.12 | Arahael | tytan: session restore is an _excellent_ feature. The problem is buggy applications. |
| 05:24.31 | Cpuroast | I actually don't like it |
| 05:24.47 | Cpuroast | I like a clean slate, when I boot my system |
| 05:25.01 | tytan | Arahael: The finder is one of these applications in Mavericks |
| 05:25.16 | Cpuroast | osascript -e 'tell application "System Events" to restart' |
| 05:25.27 | Cpuroast | how you call applescript from a shell script :) |
| 05:25.38 | tytan | Arahael: I assume I don't use it the cerrect way |
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| 05:25.58 | tytan | Cpuroast: nice to know, too! |
| 05:25.59 | Arahael | tytan: No, the problem is with the applications, although Cpuroast's opinino is also valid. |
| 05:26.26 | Arahael | Cpuroast: Don't mean to imply anything there though - just stating it how I see it. :) |
| 05:26.41 | Cpuroast | it's fine, to each his own |
| 05:26.41 | tytan | Arahael: I share Cpuroasts opinion. But I like to have the option :) |
| 05:26.48 | Cpuroast | some people like it, some others don't |
| 05:27.02 | Cpuroast | on slow HDDs it would be awful |
| 05:27.09 | Arahael | Cpuroast: It reminds me of PalmOS, or at least, it would if it worked. |
| 05:27.12 | Cpuroast | on fast SSDs, it's less of a pain |
| 05:27.17 | Arahael | And I do have SSD's. |
| 05:27.26 | tytan | Cpuroast: Haven't had a notebook with a HDD since 2011 xD |
| 05:27.41 | Cpuroast | yah, I bought mine last december |
| 05:27.54 | Cpuroast | about a week after I got an SSD at work |
| 05:27.54 | tytan | SSDs make so much sense in notebooks |
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| 05:28.02 | Arahael | I'm actually trying to justify myself in getting an SSD external drive. |
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| 05:28.23 | Cpuroast | it was like, OMG, SSDs are awesome, I need one for home! |
| 05:28.31 | tytan | Arahael: for storage or boot? |
| 05:28.42 | Arahael | tytan: Storage. |
| 05:28.43 | Cpuroast | I think I may have even ordered a day or 2 after |
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| 05:29.01 | tytan | Cpuroast: I know that feel. I got it after I put a SSD into a customers laptop |
| 05:29.16 | Cpuroast | Arahael: that depends on how much you really need that speed on an external drive |
| 05:29.17 | Arahael | Cpuroast: And they are! :) They're amazing when you have VM's, too, though I wouldn't want to run a VM over USB, even USB3. |
| 05:29.27 | Cpuroast | Arahael: I think a fast 7200rpm 2.5" external drive is sufficient |
| 05:29.39 | Arahael | Cpuroast: Hence the "trying" to justify bit. But it's the lower power that's an attraction. |
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| 05:29.57 | Cpuroast | Arahael: a VM over USB3 on an SSD would actually be quite ok |
| 05:30.11 | tytan | Arahael: Wouldn't it be cheaper if you just buy yourself for example a Kingston DataTraveler HyperX 3.0? |
| 05:30.14 | Cpuroast | Arahael: you'd get similar latency and ~200-250MB/sec |
| 05:30.32 | Arahael | Thinking of something like this: 256GB mSATA SSD USB 3.0 Flash Drive ThunderDisk |
| 05:30.41 | Cpuroast | especially if you are using a compatible "USB Attached SCSI" USB3 enclosure |
| 05:30.52 | Cpuroast | and a compatible USAP USB3 stack |
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| 05:31.12 | Cpuroast | UASP I mean |
| 05:31.14 | Arahael | Mostly it'd be for alll my "personal" crap, that doesn't belong on my work laptop. |
| 05:31.57 | Cpuroast | yah I I have a 750GB 7200rpm 2.5" USB3 HDD, plenty fast |
| 05:32.20 | Cpuroast | it's actually the drive that shipped with my MBP |
| 05:32.23 | Arahael | Yeah. But the sad thing is... Regular usb sticks are fine for me at hte moment, except they're slow. |
| 05:32.33 | Arahael | And it' sa lemon market. |
| 05:32.53 | nunizacu | so buy raptors |
| 05:32.58 | Cpuroast | if you really wanted to extract all that an SSD can push, you'd need a Thunderbolt enclosure |
| 05:33.02 | Cpuroast | or USB 3.1 |
| 05:33.03 | tytan | Arahael: The DataTraveler HyperX 3.0 is fast as f**k :D |
| 05:33.08 | Cpuroast | but that's not out yet |
| 05:33.25 | Arahael | Cpuroast: Yeah. |
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| 05:34.09 | Arahael | Anyway, those are all on my wishlist. |
| 05:34.18 | nunizacu | therey are fast usb 3.0 sticks |
| 05:34.26 | Cpuroast | it's too bad UASP isn't really spread |
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| 05:34.37 | Cpuroast | it's much more efficient that the older BOT protocol |
| 05:34.48 | nunizacu | or maybe esata ? |
| 05:35.00 | Cpuroast | the lack of power is annoying with esata |
| 05:35.06 | Cpuroast | and with USB3 it kind of died |
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| 05:35.19 | nunizacu | they are eseta powered ports |
| 05:35.26 | Arahael | Cpuroast: The problem is that I want to use my various laptops and desktops. USB is the only thing they all have in common. |
| 05:35.34 | Cpuroast | yup |
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| 05:35.44 | Cpuroast | that's why USB is great |
| 05:35.53 | Cpuroast | it's universal |
| 05:36.04 | Cpuroast | hell they even used it on alien computers in Stargate |
| 05:36.09 | Arahael | The new USB 'c' port or whatever it is called will be interesting. |
| 05:36.15 | tytan | Cpuroast: format it in exFAT and you're good to go on all plattforms :) |
| 05:36.21 | Arahael | Cpuroast: I totally missed that! |
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| 05:36.27 | Arahael | tytan: How do you do that in debian? |
| 05:36.44 | tytan | sudo apt-get install exfat-fuse |
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| 05:36.59 | Cpuroast | Arahael: you didn't notice? They had all these fancy Alienware laptops, and then find an alien spaceship |
| 05:37.04 | Arahael | Hmm, with the non-free repo, even. |
| 05:37.16 | Arahael | Cpuroast: I'm an SG-1 fan. Didn't find Atlantis too exciting. |
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| 05:37.21 | Cpuroast | and then hook up their laptops to the alien computers to see what they could get out of them |
| 05:37.27 | Cpuroast | all of this through USB |
| 05:37.34 | tytan | lol |
| 05:38.34 | Cpuroast | I'm telling you, USB is truly universal, it was adopted by every sentient species in this universe |
| 05:39.01 | Cpuroast | :) |
| 05:39.03 | Arahael | Including me. I'm sentient. It's good. |
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| 05:39.49 | Cpuroast | only thing that sucks about ex-fat, is that it contains a single copy of the FAT |
| 05:39.52 | Cpuroast | and it's not journaled |
| 05:40.34 | tytan | Cpuroast: But the only cross plattform fs. I know how to mount NTFS writeable in OS X btw |
| 05:40.55 | Cpuroast | tytan: but you would never use OSX's native NTFS write support |
| 05:40.57 | Arahael | It's sad that ext3, or even ext2, isn't usefully cross platform. |
| 05:41.09 | Cpuroast | it's unstable and has been known to corrupt and loose data |
| 05:41.39 | nunizacu | ext2 works on windows, didnt try it on osx tough |
| 05:41.46 | tytan | Cpuroast: I don't want to troll. I just want to know about it. Where does it say that? |
| 05:42.03 | Cpuroast | I don't remember the article |
| 05:42.10 | tytan | nunizacu: did you have to modify the Wondows OS? |
| 05:42.12 | Cpuroast | but it's been commonly accepted that it's busted |
| 05:42.23 | nunizacu | just install soft or driver |
| 05:42.26 | Cpuroast | and Apple is very unlikely going to fix it |
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| 05:43.13 | Cpuroast | tytan: essentially if you care about data integrity on NTFS in OSX, you'll use Tuxera or Paragon |
| 05:43.29 | Arahael | nunizacu: It's very easy to loose data with ext on windows, when recovering from hibernation. |
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| 05:44.11 | Cpuroast | Paragon makes an ext3/4 driver for OSX and I think they make one for Windows too |
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| 05:44.20 | tytan | Cpuroast: Thanks for advise. I needed write support only once in my lifetime to copy a mp3 file to an external drive of a friend. luckily it worked :D |
| 05:44.48 | nunizacu | same as with xfs when power goes down |
| 05:46.52 | Cpuroast | I really hope BTRFS stabilizes |
| 05:47.11 | nunizacu | i had no trubles with it |
| 05:47.12 | Cpuroast | in theory it can replace ext4 and linux raid |
| 05:47.26 | tytan | Cpuroast: according to the openSUSE community it's not far away from being called stable ^^ |
| 05:47.29 | Cpuroast | the Raid 5/6/7 isn't ready |
| 05:48.09 | Cpuroast | essentially, all volumes should be BTRFS |
| 05:48.10 | tytan | Cpuroast: Can Macs really use RAID0 and RAID1 only? |
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| 05:48.20 | Cpuroast | tytan: yah in software |
| 05:48.36 | Cpuroast | tytan: they handled Raid 5 and 6 with 3rd party raid cards |
| 05:48.36 | tytan | Cpuroast: why should all volumes be btrfs? |
| 05:48.41 | nunizacu | you wrong |
| 05:48.55 | Cpuroast | tytan: because it implements many of the advanced features of ZFS |
| 05:49.06 | nunizacu | you can install linux and mac will support more : ) |
| 05:49.14 | Cpuroast | nunizacu: lol |
| 05:49.43 | tytan | nunizacu: I think I don't quite get what you mean ^^' sorry |
| 05:49.55 | Cpuroast | checksums and automatic data repair is a huge one |
| 05:50.28 | nunizacu | last time i did data recovery i had fat16 state of art system |
| 05:50.37 | Cpuroast | lol :) |
| 05:51.02 | nunizacu | to this day i find it most stable :D |
| 05:51.09 | Cpuroast | tytan: no file system except BTRFS, ZFS or WAFL can actually tell you that all data is intact |
| 05:51.10 | tytan | damn that's really old. Am I the youngest guy around? xD |
| 05:51.46 | Cpuroast | actually, MS ReFS is supposed to have some form of basic checksums |
| 05:52.00 | nunizacu | dont worry, im old as hell and still they somtimes check my id when i buy cigs |
| 05:52.21 | nunizacu | and i was on two univeristies |
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| 05:53.12 | tytan | nunizacu: sounds good to me. At least you look kinda good. |
| 05:53.44 | nunizacu | at least my young look leesens amount of 'you should have family, kid and stuff' text flying around family |
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| 05:54.09 | tytan | I prefer to look younger than I really am as I get older. Hopefully it's no turnoff for the ladys ^^ |
| 05:54.18 | nunizacu | i already have my kid, tuned up jaguar |
| 05:54.45 | tytan | a car? |
| 05:55.01 | nunizacu | no man, a tuned up cat with rocket launcher |
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| 05:56.32 | nunizacu | to bad it sucks at fuel efficeny now |
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| 05:56.58 | nunizacu | when i turn all sport stuff and put pedal to metal it gets somthing over 3 mpg |
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| 05:58.26 | nunizacu | i mean 4 |
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| 06:02.43 | rryoumaa | i want a list of packages that i purged since installation. dpkg --get-selections "*" returns nothing. are there other commands for this? |
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| 06:02.46 | notmngrif | rryoumaa, i would imagine not, since "purge" implies that no traces are left behind. |
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| 06:03.19 | rryoumaa | notmngrif: no state is kept? then i have to subtract my package list from the installed package list. thanks. |
| 06:03.42 | notmngrif | well a purged package would just be not installed |
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| 06:04.01 | notmngrif | btw you generally don't want to use purge, as it deletes configs. |
| 06:04.35 | nunizacu | rm -rf / is better |
| 06:04.42 | nunizacu | it purges everything |
| 06:04.53 | nunizacu | good way if you low on space |
| 06:04.54 | notmngrif | nunizacu, that kind of talk gets you banned around here. |
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| 06:05.13 | bazhang | !ops | nunizacu |
| 06:05.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | nunizacu |
| 06:05.23 | nunizacu | oldest joke in the linux world is banned on ebian? |
| 06:05.38 | notmngrif | yes. we have too many noobz in here to joke about such things |
| 06:05.43 | notmngrif | yes, we're fun at parties. |
| 06:05.59 | tytan | Cpuroast: What do I do when the NAS requires a user and a password? |
| 06:06.20 | nunizacu | i even exactly said what it does |
| 06:06.20 | Cpuroast | same it to keychain |
| 06:06.23 | Cpuroast | tytan: save it |
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| 06:06.44 | tytan | So after the first connect the script is good to go? |
| 06:06.50 | Cpuroast | yes |
| 06:06.55 | tytan | ^_^ |
| 06:07.28 | nunizacu | one of oldest distro with oldest joke banned, even explained |
| 06:07.55 | nunizacu | even ubuntu guys have more sense of humor |
| 06:08.17 | Simplar | I've created a *.desktop file but the icon for my app haven't been set though I put it on /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/ |
| 06:08.53 | Simplar | My desktop file is in /usr/share/applications now |
| 06:09.10 | Simplar | but it haven't overtook the icon I've placed in the dir stated above |
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| 06:09.26 | Simplar | it's named as "myIcon.png" |
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| 06:10.32 | Dinosaur | interesting. #debian-devel no longer accessible to non-developers, huh? |
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| 06:12.02 | mngrif | probably because of systemd |
| 06:12.11 | dondelelcaro | Dinosaur: it is, but you're on the wrong network. |
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| 06:22.53 | Loshki | mngrif: :-) |
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| 06:42.10 | Dinosaur | dondelelcaro: OFTC? |
| 06:42.43 | Dinosaur | what is up with apt-get and aptitude un-installing tons of packages when I do an apt-get upgrade? |
| 06:43.01 | Dinosaur | the aptitude UI is frustrating compared with dselect. |
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| 07:15.51 | illy | so i got this huge .jpg folder and i was thinking of having my bacground automaticly changed |
| 07:15.57 | illy | lets say every 10min or so |
| 07:16.12 | illy | im using hsetroot atm |
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| 07:17.05 | diabolique | guys what the problem with my sources.list. when i do sudo apt-get update it some links cant be connected. ill post some logs if its ok? |
| 07:17.18 | diabolique | http://paste.debian.net/131981/ |
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| 07:17.37 | illy | are uu using a firewall? |
| 07:17.48 | diabolique | nope |
| 07:17.52 | diabolique | none |
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| 07:18.59 | illy | seems up for me@ sec.deb.org |
| 07:19.38 | illy | ping security.debian.org |
| 07:19.41 | illy | see what happens |
| 07:20.20 | illy | also let me take a look at ur sources list pls |
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| 07:21.21 | diabolique | 64 bytes from lobos.debian.org (212.211.132.250): icmp_req=5 ttl=52 time=326 ms |
| 07:21.25 | diabolique | seems pinging |
| 07:21.49 | diabolique | http://paste.debian.net/131978/ |
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| 07:22.20 | diabolique | the problem maybe lies on ipv6 |
| 07:23.37 | illy | could be |
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| 07:25.23 | illy | try removing the # on deb-src (?) |
| 07:25.24 | illy | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 07:25.24 | illy | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 07:25.45 | diabolique | ok |
| 07:26.13 | illy | no updates avaliable anyway :p |
| 07:26.30 | illy | could be a temporary problem on their servers :) |
| 07:26.34 | diabolique | this is a new install. so maybe i need to update anyway :P |
| 07:26.52 | diabolique | shellshock should be there still. lol |
| 07:26.56 | illy | true, but in that case just add |
| 07:27.05 | illy | deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib |
| 07:27.05 | illy | deb-src http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib |
| 07:27.07 | diabolique | ok. thanks |
| 07:27.17 | illy | and do an update anyway apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade |
| 07:27.27 | diabolique | get it |
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| 07:38.22 | diabolique | guys i have a kinda weird question |
| 07:38.37 | diabolique | will Windows Emulator WINE run mirc? |
| 07:38.47 | diabolique | on debian |
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| 07:39.09 | nkuttler | try it and see? |
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| 07:39.40 | diabolique | i mean if its already known to some? or never hard tried or never been talked about here? |
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| 07:41.13 | buu | diabolique: Its been asked roughly 180,000 times since the internet was invented |
| 07:41.37 | mngrif | yes. it will. |
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| 07:41.53 | mngrif | notepad++ also runs great in wine. |
| 07:42.05 | mngrif | in fact, most things run well in wine. |
| 07:42.15 | diabolique | nice. thanks thats all i wanted to know :) |
| 07:42.23 | osram | But why whould you want to run mirc? Especially when not running Windows? |
| 07:42.43 | mngrif | osram, who cares. |
| 07:42.56 | osram | mngrif: fair enough :) |
| 07:44.44 | diabolique | coz i made someone shift to linux. and the only thing i can get him not to use, (which she is use too) is chatting using his mirc and mirc scripts. So i was just thinking this would make her very happy if i can make it turn thru here |
| 07:44.59 | diabolique | get her* |
| 07:45.52 | diabolique | everything she is ok, with the new wordprocessor and browser and games. But i cant get her to like the famouse irc clients here in linux. so thats what i need to understand now how to make it run on wine |
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| 07:46.14 | mngrif | yeah mirc scripts only work in mirc |
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| 07:46.27 | mngrif | it has it's own language and interpreter |
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| 07:46.48 | mngrif | but yes mirc works perfectly fine in wine, at least it did 10 years ago. i can't imagine that's changed. |
| 07:48.41 | diabolique | great |
| 07:49.08 | diabolique | how about the old diablo 2 game. on the old starcraft? hehe |
| 07:49.14 | mngrif | yes and yes, speaking from fairly recent experience :) |
| 07:49.17 | diabolique | oh i forgot they have the list on wine. sorry |
| 07:49.26 | mngrif | yeah but it isn't reliable |
| 07:50.00 | diabolique | cool. then my friend will love me for this. if i can able to make it work here. She could kiss windows g'bye |
| 07:50.34 | mngrif | yeah. mind you that running games under wine basically requires twice the horsepower. if the game only barely plays in windows it won't be playable via wine |
| 07:50.49 | diabolique | ok noted |
| 07:51.03 | mngrif | that's a gross overestimate but it's a solid way of thinking |
| 07:51.15 | diabolique | i get your point. |
| 07:51.17 | mngrif | and of course stuff like minecraft runs natively (java is java) |
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| 09:04.10 | sweb | which is better for test hard disk speed ... dd or hdparm ? |
| 09:04.52 | sweb | i have problem with I/O in my server i check server hdd via hdparm and speed show about 40MB but in dd show about 200MB ... |
| 09:06.23 | sweb | which one is currect |
| 09:06.25 | sweb | ? |
| 09:06.55 | buu | sweb: How large of a file? |
| 09:06.59 | buu | What kind of disk? |
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| 09:07.24 | sweb | it's a vps based on raid hdd |
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| 09:08.21 | sweb | it's dosnt matter i have application with thousands of cache files |
| 09:08.57 | sweb | application may use and seek cache files ... it's work on another server and my laptop (hdparm test result 110MB ) |
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| 09:10.11 | sweb | is really low number 40MB for hdparm result ? if yes how can i show data center support "it's slow " |
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| 09:13.48 | buu | uh, hdparm on a vps is probably not going to do you any good |
| 09:14.08 | buu | But there's a number of different statistics including seek time and consecutive read time |
| 09:14.18 | buu | You should find an actual hard disk benchmarking tool and see what it says. |
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| 09:15.37 | babilen | sweb: Take a look at bonnie++ rather than tools that were designed for a whole different purpose |
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| 09:16.22 | niLuvU | is debian 7 coming out soon ? |
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| 09:16.46 | babilen | niLuvU: Debian 7 (wheezy) has been released on 2013-05-04 |
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| 09:17.24 | niLuvU | babilen: Debian 8 |
| 09:17.26 | niLuvU | sory |
| 09:17.50 | iveevue | niLuvU, it's frozen. Will take a few months for it to become stable |
| 09:18.20 | babilen | niLuvU: Define "soon" please. What would be the furthest date in the future that would qualify for it? |
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| 09:20.01 | babilen | niLuvU: And, as iveevue rightfully mentions, jessie has been frozen on the 5th of November (remember remember!) with a rather low number of RC bugs. Guesses as to when it will be released can be seen in "/msg dpkg jessie pool 1" |
| 09:20.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell niLuvU about wwjr |
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| 09:22.04 | niLuvU | babilen: rough date ? |
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| 09:22.43 | babilen | niLuvU: Did you take a look at <jessie pool 1> and <jessie pool 2> already? |
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| 09:23.06 | critias | apt ON WHEEZY only installs opensll 1.0.1e. How can I upgraDE TO 1.0.1.J ?? |
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| 09:23.47 | babilen | As of today I would, however, guess that it'll be released a bit earlier. March/April rather than May would be my estimate, but lets see how many battles/GRs the TC/Debian community will have to fight before that. |
| 09:24.34 | babilen | critias: You shouldn't and I would *strongly* recommend to keep on using the version packages in wheezy (or rather wheezy/updates) -- Why would you want to upgrade to that version? |
| 09:25.02 | niLuvU | babilen: no I did not |
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| 09:27.36 | critias | babilen: because of the security upgrade |
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| 09:27.52 | babilen | critias: Which CVE in particular? |
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| 09:28.14 | babilen | And, I think, you are slightly unaware of how Debian works. Let me rectify that. |
| 09:28.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell critias -about security backports |
| 09:28.34 | critias | makes me feel uneasy, not to apply the newest bug fixes |
| 09:29.35 | babilen | critias: Which CVE are you referring to exactly? You can be quite sure that the latest version in wheezy/updates incorporates quite a number of security fixes. The version in there is *not* the same as the one that was released by upstream back then. |
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| 09:30.10 | critias | babilen: so the debian version might very well incorp. the fixes? |
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| 09:30.32 | critias | OK |
| 09:30.34 | babilen | critias: Yes, but: The fixes for *what* ? |
| 09:31.01 | critias | any |
| 09:31.16 | jelly-home | critias: there's a database matching CVE numbers and applied fixes. If you have a specific issue in mind you can look it up. |
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| 09:31.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell critias -about tracker of doom |
| 09:31.34 | critias | well, good to know about the version numbering not keeping up with the official OpenSSL numbering |
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| 09:31.56 | critias | indeed did not know that. |
| 09:31.56 | babilen | critias: But it does, it is just that fixes for security related and grave bugs will be backported. |
| 09:32.05 | critias | OK |
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| 09:33.22 | critias | thnx. Understood. |
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| 09:38.59 | niLuvU | babilen: why did debian pick 3.16 as kernel ? it is EOL ? |
| 09:39.30 | niLuvU | it is not even long term supported |
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| 09:42.01 | babilen | niLuvU: The kernel will be well supported (check who the maintainer is in Debian and how that relates to the kernel) |
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| 09:42.41 | babilen | niLuvU: https://bits.debian.org/2014/07/kernel-version-for-jessie.html btw |
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| 09:43.12 | babilen | Or, for extra credit, check who provided long term support for 3.12 |
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| 09:43.46 | niLuvU | babilen: Ok |
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| 09:44.03 | niLuvU | babilen: Is 3.14 going to be vanila ? that is too much |
| 09:44.12 | niLuvU | Gnome 3.14 I mean |
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| 09:50.48 | Keanu73 | Hi, how can I contribute to debian packages, and update them? |
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| 09:53.10 | lord4163 | Keanu73: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 09:53.20 | Keanu73 | Ah thank you |
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| 09:59.28 | Keanu73 | but how can I replace a package |
| 09:59.42 | Keanu73 | so that I can override it with new files |
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| 10:10.27 | fireant | Keanu73: apt-get install package --reinstall |
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| 10:11.04 | Keanu73 | No |
| 10:11.06 | Keanu73 | I mean |
| 10:11.27 | Keanu73 | Pushing the NEW binaries of a program to a package |
| 10:11.41 | Keanu73 | now bash 4.2 is in the repositories, |
| 10:11.52 | Keanu73 | and I want to replace bash 4.2 with bash 4.3 |
| 10:12.38 | CQ | Keanu73: either https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer or just build the package for yourself and isntall it |
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| 10:38.47 | Arven | Does anyone know if NFS security requires kernel support specifically for the authentication? I thought it was all through GSSAPI, but it appears that implementing an entire alternative mechanism for GSSAPI isn't enough, and would also require kernel support. |
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| 10:42.16 | Arven | What packages contain the actual GSS mechanisms? |
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| 11:00.53 | berceanu_ | hi guys |
| 11:01.56 | berceanu_ | it seems my /var partition is full, with most of the space taken up by /var/cache/apt/archives. any ideas on how to clear that up? |
| 11:02.42 | Arven | berceanu_: you can safely wipe the contents of the apt archives, I believe |
| 11:02.57 | Arven | not necessary unless you want to remove, reinstall without redownload |
| 11:03.25 | berceanu_ | Arven: just deleting that folder by hand you mean? isnt there some apt command for clearing cache? |
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| 11:03.52 | iveevue | berceanu_, apt-get autoclean |
| 11:04.20 | iveevue | Actually, clean would be better |
| 11:05.30 | Arven | iveevue: ah, thanks. I've always just blown the contents of that directory away |
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| 11:06.10 | Arven | autoclean sounds nicer if you get autoremoved packages that you then need again |
| 11:06.15 | iveevue | I'm not sure how apt-get works, but if you delete without calling clean then apt-get might assume packages still exist there even though they've been deleted. |
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| 11:06.30 | berceanu_ | iveevue: ty! |
| 11:06.35 | berceanu_ | Arven: tnx |
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| 11:08.29 | Arven | is there any good documentation on setting up Kerberos V NFS on Debian? |
| 11:09.23 | Arven | I don't really like Kerberos but it seems the only option for rpcsec |
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| 11:30.37 | grzeslaw | Hi! I face some issue with awstats installation on my fresh wheezy debian.. Error logs said "...Permission denied: access to /icon/other/button.gif denied, referer: ... ".. My awstats icon dir configuration looks like that: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=bvipEB5E -any ideas what's wrong ..? |
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| 11:32.36 | fireant | grzeslaw: make sure web server user can read that file and that directory permissions are right |
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| 11:33.04 | grzeslaw | fireant: permissions are 755 root:root so webuser should be able to read it.. |
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| 11:33.37 | grzeslaw | files are also 644, so its not the issue |
| 11:33.45 | grzeslaw | selinux is disabled for now.. |
| 11:34.57 | grzeslaw | when I run su - www-data -c '/usr/share/awstats/icon/other/button.gif' I am able to list that file |
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| 11:37.05 | fireant | grzeslaw: there is config in apache for directories deny for all or similar set by default, maybe thats the case then? |
| 11:37.20 | e-anima | if i switch user with "su backuppc" i just get a $ not backuppc@debian-vm: .. |
| 11:37.23 | e-anima | what is this? |
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| 11:39.32 | fireant | e-anima: default shell for backupppc set to none? try su user -s /bin/bash |
| 11:40.01 | e-anima | ah ok thx |
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| 11:49.12 | last1 | I'm trying to use diff -Naur -x '/var/www/dir1/files' dir1 dir2, but the files subdirectory still gets compared |
| 11:49.21 | last1 | what am I doing wrong ? |
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| 11:50.22 | vaxerdec | hello, trying to figure out difference in behavior for 'grep-available' to sometimes get whole field and sometimes first line. example: "grep-available -s description -PX github-cli" gets only first line of description, whereas "grep-available -s description -PX bash" gets whole description (all lines) |
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| 11:52.32 | vaxerdec | last1: is it maybe a symlink? |
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| 11:54.14 | vaxerdec | last1: try a pattern, it might be comparing the whole path |
| 11:55.03 | vaxerdec | last1: eg suffix "/*" to the exclude patterh (or just "files/*") |
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| 11:57.27 | xryz | Hi guys, how do I can see the entire log that has been done from the root account?? |
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| 11:57.58 | vaxerdec | last1: it probably wants a relative pattern so just "files" would be my guess, unless you give a full path as the args (try `readlink -f dir1` `readlink -f dir2`) |
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| 11:58.46 | lord4163 | When I do a mount -a it says "mount special device uuid does not exist"? |
| 11:58.49 | lord4163 | UUID=496e98ef-dd6f-4591-bfcc-33d83083720e /mnt/squidcache xfs defaults,noatime 0 0 |
| 11:58.50 | vaxerdec | xryz: unless it is logging, you cannot. there is a history file, but by default it does not append, and has limited size, and requires that particular shell is used, and requires that user doesn't disable history logging |
| 11:59.03 | lord4163 | Does anybody know how to fix this? |
| 11:59.32 | last1 | yeah, I tried all of that |
| 11:59.43 | last1 | the only thing that works is only writing the last directory |
| 11:59.50 | last1 | aka, -x 'files' |
| 11:59.56 | vaxerdec | lord4163: try "blkid UUID=foo" to verify it's there |
| 12:00.01 | last1 | but that can be confusing in case I have other subdirs called files |
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| 12:00.23 | vaxerdec | last1: try using the fully qualified paths for comparison with the readlink |
| 12:00.32 | lord4163 | vaxerdec: Maybe it |
| 12:00.39 | lord4163 | is called UUID instead of UID :D |
| 12:00.47 | vaxerdec | last1: and then giving the fully qualified as the exclude, it probably compares the paths as it knows about them |
| 12:01.17 | vaxerdec | last1: maybe use ltrace -s 999 and look for the string compares it's doing |
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| 12:04.47 | xryz | So how can i know what root users are doing? |
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| 12:05.21 | vaxerdec | xryz: sit behind them with in a chair and look over their shoulder? ;-) |
| 12:05.32 | xryz | :P |
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| 12:05.52 | vaxerdec | xryz: i use the audit subsystem and log all fork/exec syscalls |
| 12:06.01 | linux-fox | ;-) |
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| 12:06.21 | vaxerdec | xryz: root can disable that though |
| 12:07.26 | vaxerdec | xryz: but disabling it would be logged, you can have it end in syslog maybe and send it offhost to something they can't remove, so at least you would know they disabled it. or some variation... but as root, they can be pretty clever |
| 12:07.39 | vaxerdec | xryz: if you don't trust root, you should not give them root |
| 12:08.07 | xryz | i trust them, just want to know what they are touching =) |
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| 12:10.24 | babilen | xryz: Look into the respective shell history files (that could have been tempered with) -- You probably want to look into tools such as auditd and snoopy though |
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| 12:11.44 | vaxerdec | babilen: right but root can disable those ;-) it's just silly to give root to someone you don't trust |
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| 12:14.12 | xryz | thank you guys, i will check those |
| 12:14.13 | grzeslaw | fireant: thx - that was the issue - I block myself on default section ;) |
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| 12:14.19 | babilen | vaxerdec: root can disable everything |
| 12:14.22 | evangeline__ | hi, I would like to install fwknop in my squeeze debian distribution, but I don't have it in my packages: can somebody suggest what I need to add to sources.list to be able to install fwknop-server ? |
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| 12:14.51 | vaxerdec | babilen: exactly |
| 12:15.08 | vaxerdec | babilen: if you have it logged offhost though, at least the fact will be known |
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| 12:16.36 | vaxerdec | babilen: but maybe root could prepare and execute a script that would prepare everything, reconfigure the logging and execute in one go, it's just no point to not trust root |
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| 12:18.54 | babilen | vaxerdec: Well, you can lock down the root user with, say, selinux, but I'd argue that for the normal "give some users sudo and still be aware of what they have done/keep an audit log" offsite logging and auditd/snoopy is well enough. |
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| 12:19.24 | vaxerdec | last1: it works for me: "d=/tmp/test; mkdir -p $d.a/{1,2}; touch $d.a/{1,2}/testfile; cp -a $d.{a,b}; rm $d.b/2/testfile; diff -r $d.{a,b}" but adding "-x 2" to the diff does not show it |
| 12:20.17 | babilen | But then one might also start thinking about actually giving users full superuser access rather than restricting them to a tailored set of commands. It really depends on what one wants to achieve and for the mere "want to know what root ran without annuming hostile intend" the mentioned solutions are all well suited. |
| 12:21.03 | vaxerdec | last1: you have -N which won't show empty files, maybe that's it? |
| 12:22.30 | vaxerdec | last1: well, it will make a virtual empty file in the one where it's missing anyways |
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| 12:23.35 | vaxerdec | babilen: if it's idea where like your shop has multiple sysadmins and you just want to log everyone, that's totally different scenario where you can simply say "don't disable this" and then a variety of solutions work. xryz did not specify... |
| 12:24.15 | babilen | indeed, xryz did not specify at all |
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| 12:24.42 | vaxerdec | babilen: i think in general people trying to "sneakily" log root are in a bad place |
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| 12:24.51 | xryz | emm, i gave root to a friend to configure for me some scripts, and i want to know what he changed |
| 12:25.20 | vaxerdec | xryz: after the fact? you have to ask him... if you didn't set up things ahead of time |
| 12:25.36 | vaxerdec | xryz: in naive case just looking at eg /root/.bash_history may work |
| 12:25.59 | vaxerdec | xryz: if it hasn't been a while, since it has limited size. i forget if it appends or overwrites by default |
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| 12:26.45 | vaxerdec | xryz: it depends if he used sudo... if he did though those will be in the log file |
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| 12:26.54 | vaxerdec | xryz: eg /var/log/messages or whatever |
| 12:26.56 | ledestin | it looks like a link in rc2.d isnât executed on start |
| 12:27.25 | ledestin | I made sure to echo some words in that script, but nothing in boot log |
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| 12:28.37 | xryz | vaxerdec, in /var/log/messages i have a line saying: rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="5.8.11" x-pid="27714" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"] |
| 12:29.00 | vaxerdec | ledestin: are you using sysvinit ? are you in runlevel 2? is it configured ("chkconfig --list | grep ^foo") ? |
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| 12:29.26 | ledestin | vaxerdec: itâs either sysvinit or upstart, Iâm not sure |
| 12:29.41 | vaxerdec | xryz: i'm not sure where debian logs sudo by default, probably /var/log/secure or something. do you know he used sudo? |
| 12:29.41 | ledestin | runlevel 3 |
| 12:29.59 | xryz | i think he not, but not totally sure |
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| 12:30.04 | vaxerdec | ledestin: rc2.d is only executed for runlevel 2, not 3 |
| 12:31.22 | vaxerdec | ledestin: if you aren't sure which init, "dpkg -S $(sudo readlink -f /proc/1/exe)" will tell you |
| 12:31.52 | vaxerdec | xryz: if he didn't check /root/.bash_history |
| 12:31.54 | ledestin | vaxerdec: sysvinit |
| 12:32.26 | xryz | it shows some things, but not all, but its ok |
| 12:32.35 | xryz | ill try install auditd and se how it works |
| 12:32.49 | ledestin | vaxerdec: ok, I was wrong then that level 2 is executed before 3 |
| 12:33.02 | ledestin | weird that postgres doesnât have level 3 link |
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| 12:34.19 | jvghost | hello peple |
| 12:34.25 | ledestin | ops, Iâve been spammed by estikes |
| 12:34.36 | jvghost | how are you |
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| 12:35.05 | vaxerdec | ledestin: only S in all cases, then whichever is default (from /etc/inittab) |
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| 12:36.35 | jvghost | now im study python |
| 12:36.57 | vaxerdec | xryz: it will only work for future things |
| 12:37.02 | ledestin | vaxerdec: thanks a lot, it works now |
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| 12:37.29 | jvghost | i like hacking |
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| 12:37.56 | jvghost | say me any chanell of hacking please |
| 12:38.02 | vaxerdec | ledestin: mmm yes, i like ckhconfig rather than making symlinks myself. you can edit the line in the file (in comments) and it makes appropriate symlinks for you |
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| 12:38.25 | CQ | jvghost: try #python if you like python |
| 12:38.26 | vaxerdec | ledestin: probably i am in the minority using chkconfig though ;-) |
| 12:38.54 | vaxerdec | ledestin: it is old irix tool, redhat reimplemented for them. old habits, etc... |
| 12:39.45 | vaxerdec | "i like hacking" hehe nice |
| 12:39.46 | ledestin | vaxerdec: itâs nice, just tried it |
| 12:39.57 | vaxerdec | ledestin: and its companion, "service" |
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| 12:40.27 | jvghost | any chanell of hacking please?? |
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| 12:41.59 | vaxerdec | i'm trying to figure out difference in behavior for 'grep-available' to sometimes get whole field and sometimes first line. example: "grep-available -s description -PX github-cli" gets only first line of description, whereas "grep-available -s description -PX bash" gets whole description (all lines) |
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| 12:53.00 | jvghost | how pople use awesome windows manager?? |
| 12:53.19 | vaxerdec | jvghost: awesomely, of course |
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| 12:53.38 | jvghost | because im use it,and i new in awesome |
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| 12:58.40 | armin | hi. is there a way to alter the screen blank/lock time for xscreensaver, but for an already running one, from the command line? |
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| 13:00.40 | armin | ah, seems like xscreensaver is automatically accepting changes made to .xscreensaver |
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| 13:01.35 | e-anima | i am connecting to a remote server with ssh exchanged pub keys already. it seems ssh is search the wrong filename: debug1: Trying private key: /var/lib/backuppc/.ssh/id_rsa. i dont get it. i renamed the keys to a different name so these do not exist |
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| 13:02.43 | jvghost | help me to comfigure awesome windows manager please?? |
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| 13:07.17 | babilen | jvghost: Try #awesome and read http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Main_Page |
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| 13:09.56 | ledestin | sometimes, when I install something, I get warnings about init.d files. How do I cause those warnings? |
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| 13:11.01 | ledestin | I think Debian 6 wanted to make some changes to boot process, and those files werenât ready, hence the warnings |
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| 13:12.48 | ledestin | aha, itâs called âdependency booting" |
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| 13:36.08 | Elirips | Just in theory: What would happen if I'm connected via ssh and running an aptitude upgrade, and then I close the session while the upgrade is running? Is the system inconsistent afterwards? Or will aptitude handle that just fine? |
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| 13:37.20 | Elirips | Or could I even look out myself if I would terminate the session while aptitude is upgrading openssh, and it tries to restart sshd and I would kill the session after it has stoped sshd? |
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| 13:37.37 | ledestin | Elirips: just run it in screen |
| 13:37.55 | ledestin | *inside screen(1) |
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| 13:44.16 | tonydiablo | Just kicked my son out of the house. He decided he'd rather have a kike girlfriend than a father. :( |
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| 13:44.59 | babilen | tonydiablo: You were probably looking for a different channel/network. |
| 13:45.35 | tonydiablo | No kidding |
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| 13:53.53 | ledestin | Iâm trying to dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc, but I get no questions. DEBIAN_FRONTEND=editor dpkg-reconfigure -p low insserv sysv-rc |
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| 13:54.11 | ledestin | and yet, debconf-show shows something |
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| 13:58.32 | simeonradjevac | how to make own distro based on debian linux? |
| 13:59.09 | jelly-home | depends on your goal. |
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| 13:59.57 | CQ | simeonradjevac: http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.10/gldt1210.png pick one ... there are enough out there ;) |
| 14:00.07 | jelly-home | !blend |
| 14:00.08 | dpkg | A Debian Pure Blend (formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends http://blends.debian.org/ #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 14:00.51 | jelly-home | or depending on your definition of "distro", maybe even |
| 14:00.52 | jelly-home | !live |
| 14:00.53 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 14:01.06 | simeonradjevac | tnx, but NO :D |
| 14:01.14 | simeonradjevac | i want my debian distro |
| 14:01.28 | jelly-home | simeonradjevac: what do you need it for? |
| 14:01.29 | simeonradjevac | only for me :D |
| 14:01.43 | Elirips | ledestin thx, I'll look into screen |
| 14:01.54 | simeonradjevac | i need for some music projects |
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| 14:02.23 | simeonradjevac | and wanna xfce desktop environment |
| 14:02.51 | simeonradjevac | with small changes |
| 14:03.17 | simeonradjevac | is it hard to make? |
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| 14:04.05 | jelly-home | simeonradjevac: wny not go read the "blend" and "live" documentation, maybe you'll get an idea how hard it might be |
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| 14:04.48 | simeonradjevac | ok fine then, i will :D tnx a lot |
| 14:04.53 | simeonradjevac | and one more question |
| 14:05.01 | simeonradjevac | why debian web site isn't working? |
| 14:06.01 | jelly-home | simeonradjevac: which URL fails to open for you? |
| 14:06.31 | gb | debian.org loads ok for me |
| 14:06.38 | jelly-home | http://www.debian.org/ works here, and redirects to https right away |
| 14:06.46 | simeonradjevac | for me not |
| 14:06.51 | simeonradjevac | and i don't know why |
| 14:06.52 | simeonradjevac | :( |
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| 14:07.16 | gb | user error, try hitting user with hammer then reload |
| 14:07.30 | jelly-home | simeonradjevac: what error do you get? |
| 14:07.56 | simeonradjevac | Error code: ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED |
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| 14:08.10 | simeonradjevac | gb..you are funny guy :D |
| 14:09.26 | simeonradjevac | everything is working |
| 14:09.39 | simeonradjevac | but debian site isn't |
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| 14:10.00 | jelly-home | simeonradjevac: something wrong on your end. Possibly DNS resolution issues. |
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| 14:10.41 | simeonradjevac | hmzzz |
| 14:10.49 | jelly-home | simeonradjevac: what does "getent hosts www.debian.org" say? |
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| 14:11.31 | simeonradjevac | The webpage at http://www.debian.org/ has resulted in too many redirects. Clearing your cookies for this site or allowing third-party cookies may fix the problem. If not, it is possibly a server configuration issue and not a problem with your computer. |
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| 14:12.05 | gb | or try a different browser/wget |
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| 14:12.48 | simeonradjevac | ok.. |
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| 14:43.21 | noadobeflash | how can i download a freely available facebook video if i neither have a fecebook account nor adobe flash? |
| 14:43.48 | noadobeflash | This is the link to the video: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=823449367717302 |
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| 14:52.42 | nkuttler | noadobeflash: youtube-dl |
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| 15:04.38 | noadobeflash | nkuttler, thank you |
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| 15:06.39 | noadobeflash | nkuttler, how can i download this video http://www.atresplayer.com/television/programas/en-el-aire/temporada-2/capitulo-1-22-09-14-santiago-segura_2014092600199.html# if i neither have adobe flash nor a paid subscription to the atresmedia service? |
| 15:06.49 | smartass | hi, is there some way to make `aptitude search '~i!~M'` print the architecture for each package? It doesn't print out the architecture for the default one ... I haven't found any arch option for -F in the guide |
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| 15:13.20 | thunderWilly | i wrote this short notes on how isetup ssh keys: http://pastebin.com/9ksgcfVc can anyone take a quick look if it looks correct. because the damn client is not accepting my key when i connect server->client |
| 15:13.27 | thunderWilly | trying this for 7 hours now |
| 15:13.37 | thunderWilly | and repeated a lot of stuff |
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| 15:15.41 | heurist | dpkg: tell thunderWilly -about details |
| 15:15.45 | heurist | dpkg: tell thunderWilly -about errors |
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| 15:17.01 | thunderWilly | ok one sec i post the verbose output of ssh -v to pastebin |
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| 15:18.44 | thunderWilly | http://pastebin.com/22E4BKTQ |
| 15:19.09 | thunderWilly | here is the verbose output of ssh. sadly i dont have access to the AUTH log on the client. |
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| 15:23.45 | heurist | thunderWilly: I assume that you used ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 and not /.ssh/authorized_keys2 as you said in your first paste? show us the output of ls -l ~/.ssh/ and ls -ld ~/.ssh on the both machines. you know you are reversing the meaning of server and client? I assume you have a good reason for that? |
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| 15:24.41 | thunderWilly | wait i check what you said |
| 15:25.04 | chomwitt | i want to have testing, but i hade in sources.list jessy so far. should i change it now to testing now that jessy froze ? is that risky? |
| 15:25.36 | wols_ | no you should not change anything. changing to testing would be risky |
| 15:25.57 | heurist | chomwitt: jessie and testing are the same thing. changing sources.list will not make any difference. |
| 15:26.47 | jelly-home | at least not until jessie gets released |
| 15:26.48 | chomwitt | thanks heurist |
| 15:26.50 | heurist | chomwitt: at least not until there is a new testing |
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| 15:27.01 | plotino | hello |
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| 15:27.26 | wols_ | if you want to always run testing, wait until a new testing is created and then wait for 2-4 additional weeks to let the new testing settle to switch to it. the next one will be called "stretch" btw. so when that exists, wait a few weeks and then switch over to "stretch". never ever use "testing" in your sources.list |
| 15:27.26 | chomwitt | i see. |
| 15:27.39 | plotino | im migrating my debian from squeeze to wheezy. do you know any problem about that? |
| 15:27.41 | heurist | chomwitt: leave it as jessie if that is what you want to use. |
| 15:27.58 | wols_ | !tell plotino about squeeze->wheezy |
| 15:28.02 | jelly-home | plotino: read the release notes for wheezu for known issues. |
| 15:28.10 | plotino | and second question: to have last release of kicad i have to put backport mirror in source.list? |
| 15:28.22 | jelly-home | ,v kicad |
| 15:28.23 | judd | Package: kicad on i386 -- squeeze: 0.0.20100314-1; wheezy: 0.20120526+bzr3261-1; jessie: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3; sid: 0.20141025+bzr4029-1 |
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| 15:28.41 | plotino | ciao judd |
| 15:28.43 | jelly-home | plotino: it doesn't seem to be in wheezy-backports, at all. |
| 15:28.57 | plotino | so do you think there is no need to update to wheezy for kicad? |
| 15:29.22 | wols_ | plotino: compare the version numbers above. doesn't look like much change, but we wouldn't know really |
| 15:29.25 | thunderWilly | my ls output heurist http://pastebin.com/hLCyLCDj. and yea i reversed it :( |
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| 15:29.44 | jelly-home | plotino: hard to say. You'll get a 2 years newer, but still old release, judging by package versions |
| 15:29.50 | plotino | judd, i know that some dipendences is missing in squeeze ti install last kicad. |
| 15:29.51 | judd | No package named 'know' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 15:30.05 | jelly-home | judd is a bot |
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| 15:30.26 | plotino | funny ^-^ |
| 15:30.55 | chomwitt | so either i change now my sources.list to 'testing' and keep it that way ,,,or i swith names 'jessy' to 'stretch' when that comes along. |
| 15:31.11 | plotino | so the point is to have last software you recommand to install unstable? |
| 15:31.14 | wols_ | chomwitt: no you don't. changing it to testing is a stupid and dangerous idea |
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| 15:31.47 | wols_ | plotino: we never recommend to install unstable. ever. |
| 15:31.52 | plotino | anyway it's a olfd workstation that use only for lelctronics |
| 15:31.59 | plotino | ok |
| 15:32.03 | chomwitt | wols_: why ? |
| 15:32.10 | plotino | so i replay my question |
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| 15:32.16 | plotino | i need last version of kicad |
| 15:32.23 | wols_ | chomwitt: cause it's dangerous and gives you nothing |
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| 15:32.30 | wols_ | !tell plotino about ssb |
| 15:32.41 | chomwitt | why is it dangerous? |
| 15:32.45 | plotino | what is ssb? |
| 15:32.52 | wols_ | plotino: you need to do your own backport. I dunno how hard this will be but it's the preferred solution for such a problem. |
| 15:33.00 | wols_ | plotino: dpkg messaged you |
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| 15:33.11 | thunderWilly | heurist i also did notrename the generated keys because somehow if i connect via ssh it is searched for like a hardcoded name to be id_rsa as you see ih the ssh log i posted |
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| 15:34.06 | plotino | not really understood last message |
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| 15:34.18 | plotino | im not able to create my own back port |
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| 15:41.05 | grobda24 | I have a CD indexing script that relies on a CD being mounted to the same location every time. |
| 15:41.21 | grobda24 | How do I change Debian behaviour so that a CD/DVD always gets mounted to the same mount directory ? |
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| 15:45.04 | smartass | grobda24: you edit /etc/fstab , you may also need to create the directory where it's supposed to be mounted |
| 15:45.17 | somiaj | grobda24: depends on what you are using to mount the cd in the first place, I'm unsure if cd's (iso9660 filesystems) have a uuid, if they did that would work. |
| 15:46.03 | smartass | grobda24: are you talking about mounting a specific CD in a given location or just the type of medium? |
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| 15:47.16 | grobda24 | smartass, any CD or DVD with any file system. The problem is Debian wants to make a directory in /media/<username> based on the volume label. |
| 15:47.41 | grobda24 | I want it to always mount to /media/cdrom (or some other directory) |
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| 15:48.36 | somiaj | grobda24: if it is an automounter you will have to configure the tool that automounts the cd. |
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| 15:49.26 | grobda24 | somiaj, ok, how do I find out which automounter I'm using ? |
| 15:49.46 | somiaj | I'm unsure there as I don't use any of the desktops that include such things. |
| 15:49.56 | somiaj | but I do know they can be configured |
| 15:50.32 | grobda24 | somiaj, ok, investigating ... |
| 15:51.19 | somiaj | but if you use gnome, it is probabaly easy to find with looking up 'gnome configure automount' |
| 15:51.37 | noadobeflash | how can i download this video http://www.atresplayer.com/television/programas/en-el-aire/temporada-2/capitulo-1-22-09-14-santiago-segura_2014092600199.html# if i neither have adobe flash nor a paid subscription to the atresmedia service? |
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| 15:53.44 | somiaj | we don't really support what some thrid party website makes you do to view their content. |
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| 15:54.10 | smartass | noadobeflash: you get adobe flash and paid subscription if it is required |
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| 15:59.23 | chomwitt | in jessy during an upgrade of postgresql i run on error 764705 . i try su - postgres but what password must i give ?? |
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| 16:00.07 | somiaj | chomwitt: most likely that user doesn't have a password, but if you run that command as root you won't need a password. |
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| 16:01.37 | chomwitt | thanks somiaj |
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| 16:02.44 | noadobeflash | smartass, i do not install non free applications on my computer and pay for videos that were (until a couple of weeks ago)freely available , you smartass! |
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| 16:04.11 | abrotman | noadobeflash: There's no need to call people names. |
| 16:04.25 | somiaj | noadobeflash: again we do not support what some third party requires you to do and suggest you follow their licenes and requirements to watch the videos they provide. You will have to ask them what changed and what you need to to do to get their content. Only free option is have you tried gnash. |
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| 16:04.47 | noadobeflash | abrotman, i did not call people name, i called them nicknames |
| 16:04.49 | abrotman | or lightspark |
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| 16:04.58 | abrotman | noadobeflash: that is calling people names. |
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| 16:05.35 | abrotman | noadobeflash: You have choices of adobe flash, gnash, or lightspark. Good luck |
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| 16:14.45 | g0rd0n | hi there... i have a weird problem with debian wheezy since some weeks... on 5. october logrotate rotated my logs, but the new files all have size 0 and things keep getting written to the .1 files... what is going on? |
| 16:15.38 | abrotman | g0rd0n: for which log files? All of them? |
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| 16:16.25 | g0rd0n | abrotman: yeah.. syslog, mail, messages... all of them |
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| 16:16.35 | abrotman | g0rd0n: restart the syslog daemon |
| 16:16.41 | g0rd0n | have that problem on two machines... weird |
| 16:17.10 | g0rd0n | ok i'll try |
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| 16:20.01 | g0rd0n | abrotman: no change, still things being logged to .1 files |
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| 16:22.48 | abrotman | g0rd0n: you can use fuser and lsof to see what is holding the file open |
| 16:23.18 | plotino | i have update my squeeze |
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| 16:23.33 | plotino | put backport of squeeze in source.list |
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| 16:23.48 | plotino | but didn t get to install kicad last .. |
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| 16:24.15 | plotino | in the prerequisites its missing packet libwxgtk3.0-dev |
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| 16:25.09 | wjtaylor | How do I get flash for chrome? |
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| 16:29.02 | g0rd0n | abrotman: all the .1 files are opened by rsyslogd |
| 16:29.54 | abrotman | g0rd0n: and restarting it does nothing? |
| 16:30.02 | abrotman | wjtaylor: pepperflash |
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| 16:30.13 | sterns | Hi, I'm setting up a printer per: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting#Printer_Sharing. On my Debian Wheezy system the generic "MS Publisher Color Printer" driver is not present. I'm setting up a workstation, the server is already working fine with another Jessie System. |
| 16:30.22 | g0rd0n | abrotman: nope... really weird |
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| 16:30.45 | abrotman | g0rd0n: kill -1 $(pgrep rsyslogd) ? |
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| 16:34.32 | g0rd0n | abrotman: yeah that seems to have helped :) |
| 16:34.47 | g0rd0n | now i'll run logrotate manually and see if it behaves right |
| 16:34.55 | abrotman | skeptical! |
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| 16:38.51 | g0rd0n | it works |
| 16:39.04 | g0rd0n | well as long as it keeps working fine i'm ok with it :D |
| 16:39.06 | g0rd0n | thanks abrotman |
| 16:39.14 | abrotman | Okay then .. |
| 16:39.17 | abrotman | yay random flukes |
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| 17:03.23 | jhutchins | sterns: Why would a virtual printer for a Microsoft windows-specific program be on your Linux system? |
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| 17:05.18 | un214 | I have this problem exactly, except the solution yields error: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=181764 |
| 17:05.34 | un214 | [ 1307.562508] snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `vid' |
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| 17:07.32 | sterns | jhutchins: Evidently that is the driver to use on a Windows workstation connecting to the printer. I found that it worked by using a generic postscript driver on the workstation. |
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| 17:08.22 | somiaj | un214: how are you setting this info? What kernel are you running? 3.2? |
| 17:08.47 | un214 | set in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf kernel = 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 17:08.57 | jhutchins | sterns: Ah, wasn't clear you were on a Windows box. |
| 17:09.06 | somiaj | un214: care to paste the exact lines used? |
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| 17:09.17 | jhutchins | sterns: The windows driver for the actual printer should work as well. |
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| 17:09.55 | un214 | options snd-hda-intel vid=8616 pid=8ca0 snoop=0 |
| 17:09.56 | sterns | jhutchins: Thanks, it's working the way it is, which means it's stayin' pu |
| 17:10.00 | sterns | *put\ |
| 17:10.39 | somiaj | un214: wonder if that is a new option not supported by your version of the driver, but I'm unsure, I don't see anything that is making it obvious what the error could be |
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| 17:11.20 | un214 | hmmm well then I have broken sound |
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| 17:12.12 | un214 | hmm how to get newer driver? |
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| 17:12.48 | un214 | just ran apt-get dist-upgrade today |
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| 17:14.09 | jhutchins | un214: Did you follow the link to the alsa web page? |
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| 17:14.16 | somiaj | un214: well I am unsure what version is needed to get the option you want. But it could also be with a newer kernel you won't need the options. What I would sugest is install the 3.16 kernel from wheezy-backports and remove these custom options you have. |
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| 17:14.39 | un214 | hmm that's a good idea |
| 17:14.43 | un214 | I'll have to try that |
| 17:14.45 | somiaj | jhutchins: it looks like it, for some reason his module is rejecting the option vid (vendor id) to set for that card. |
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| 17:15.08 | un214 | the motherboard has two cards -- one unusable |
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| 17:15.21 | un214 | the vid option is required to select which card the option applies to |
| 17:15.55 | un214 | anyway gonna try to get the 3.16 kernel |
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| 17:16.12 | somiaj | yea I'm surprised it isn't working but the fact it is getting unkown option `vid' makes me think your driver isn't newenough to have that option. The wheezy-backport kernel should tell or fix that I hope. |
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| 17:19.26 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:20.52 | somiaj | jhutchins: even parameters that are not loaded/used? I don't even see vid there on my machine with a newer kernel |
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| 17:25.05 | jhutchins | somiaj: I think it shows all available options. There's a command that will probe the module directly and list the options, but I think that's one of the features that's currently in transition, I'm not finding a current reference. |
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| 17:27.51 | jhutchins | modinfo <module> shows them as well. |
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| 17:29.04 | somiaj | well it seems that vid, pid aren't being used as parmaters but extra things to tell the module what soundcard to apply the options to. I am not getting that those options exsit on my 3.16 kernel in sid yet plenty of guides seem to say they do. |
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| 17:30.49 | jhutchins | somiaj: Seems like that's more a alsa config or dbus parameter than a module parameter. |
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| 17:39.51 | chomwitt | in jessy xfce i cant put notifacion area in the top panel |
| 17:40.33 | chomwitt | i installed the related xfce goodie but in the list of the addons that one has the ok button greyd |
| 17:40.47 | somiaj | chomwitt: jessie (: -- might want to ask in an xfce channel as you will get more people with experiencing configuring xfce. |
| 17:41.07 | chomwitt | ok somiaj . i'll try there. |
| 17:41.11 | somiaj | chomwitt: oh so it is there but not fully installed? Do you happen to know the name of the notification area |
| 17:41.17 | jhutchins | chomwitt: Not all of the available widgets are installed by default. THere may be other packages you need. |
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| 17:41.39 | somiaj | chomwitt: I know stanlonetray is a notificaiton area some things like to use, but not sure if xfce wants it or not. |
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| 17:42.48 | chomwitt | i installed xcfe4-indicator-plugin |
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| 17:43.26 | jhutchins | chomwitt: xfce-notifyd |
| 17:43.39 | jhutchins | chomwitt: THat's on wheezy anyway. |
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| 17:44.08 | Epakai | notifyd is pop-up notifications, it's completely different from notification area where running apps may place icons |
| 17:44.08 | chomwitt | one moment to try |
| 17:44.38 | jhutchins | Epakai: Ok, it's hard to tell on some of these. |
| 17:44.54 | chomwitt | i have notifyd installed to |
| 17:45.14 | Epakai | only reason notification area should be greyed out is if you already have one enabled on a panel |
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| 17:46.56 | chomwitt | jhutchins: u r rigth |
| 17:47.14 | chomwitt | sorry i mean Epakai is rigth |
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| 17:47.59 | chomwitt | the network applet was in that area alone. when i removed it the option to put the notificatio area is enable again |
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| 17:48.56 | chomwitt | sth is wrong .. notification area is only the network noticiataion ? |
| 17:49.07 | chomwitt | i'll ask xfce.. |
| 17:49.26 | Guest40898 | Where is the gsm-utils source code? |
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| 17:50.44 | jelly-home | Guest72513: in the deb-src repos. |
| 17:50.53 | jelly-home | !tell Guest72513 about deb-src |
| 17:51.37 | somiaj | chomwitt: did you catch Epakai comment? Do you have the systray already being used in another pannel not on the top? |
| 17:51.49 | jelly-home | !tell Guest72513 about apt-get source |
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| 17:54.49 | chomwitt | somiaj: i have the systray but it containts only the network statys icon |
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| 17:55.56 | tomivs | jelly-home: thx |
| 17:55.56 | somiaj | chomwitt: well |
| 17:56.17 | somiaj | chomwitt: Epakai suggested that you can only ahve one systray so it is greyed out if you have the systray elsewhere on your setup |
| 17:56.26 | jhutchins | chomwitt: Maybe that's the only notification you have? |
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| 17:57.30 | Epakai | that sounds pretty normal, are you expecting a certain app to have an icon there? |
| 17:57.52 | Epakai | many apps that use the notification area have options or plugins to enable it |
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| 17:58.27 | chomwitt | in debian wheezy with xfce 4.8 for example owncloud client has a xfce systray icon , that wont happen in xfce 4.10 in jessy |
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| 18:01.27 | micros | Hello. On my target, when the voltage rail falls below 3.5v, the SMC LAN (ethernet) transceiver is the first to loose power. The link lights go out, and when the voltage is restored, the link lights come back on. Software can detect the link state condition for both the link lost and link restored cases. However, the moment link is lost, the IP is discarded from the interface and DHCP doesnt |
| 18:01.27 | micros | run when the link is restored. The interface remains inoperable indefintely until a reset occurs or an explicit command is issued to renew the dhcp lease. Any idea how the interface knows when the link has dissapeared? Whats the relationship? Why doesnt it also detect the presence of link and run dhcp again? |
| 18:01.51 | abrotman | micros: how is your interface defined in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 18:02.01 | abrotman | micros: also, what is 'uname -a' |
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| 18:02.24 | micros | yes. |
| 18:02.26 | micros | eth0 |
| 18:02.38 | micros | let me check uname is what i understand it to be |
| 18:02.41 | abrotman | HOW, not IS |
| 18:02.59 | micros | how do i check uname? |
| 18:03.02 | micros | is that the same as eth0? |
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| 18:03.19 | abrotman | micros: the command is 'uname -a' on the command line |
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| 18:04.28 | micros | it comes up as Linux <hostname-MACADdress> 3.10.25+ #622 PREEMPT Friday ... armv6l GNU/Linux |
| 18:04.49 | micros | in /etc/network/interfaces, its setup as iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 18:04.58 | abrotman | micros: please use paste.debian.net for the requested items |
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| 18:06.51 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 18:06.52 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.17-1-686-pae (3.17-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.16.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 18:08.01 | micros | how do i see the kernel version? |
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| 18:08.23 | abrotman | micros: pastebin the full output of 'uname -a ; lsb_release -a' |
| 18:08.38 | micros | standby |
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| 18:09.07 | jhutchins | micros: Those are the intel kernels, I'm not sure the arm kernels will match. |
| 18:09.32 | micros | lsb_release is an unknown command |
| 18:09.47 | abrotman | micros: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 18:10.05 | abrotman | micros: and also pastebin "cat /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 18:10.11 | abrotman | (paste.debian.net please) |
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| 18:12.03 | micros | http://paste.debian.net/132038/ |
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| 18:14.18 | abrotman | micros: Raspbian has its own support channel |
| 18:14.47 | abrotman | micros: man interfaces, look for the allow-hotplug. Please continue your support in #raspbian, thank you. |
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| 18:14.49 | micros | ok. ill go cruze by there. I know its a different release, but the people here are usually very smart ;) |
| 18:15.00 | micros | abrotman - thank you |
| 18:15.05 | micros | ! |
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| 18:20.20 | Zerock | What package includes tools like genfstab? |
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| 18:20.47 | mtn | Zerock: see apt-file or http://packages.debian.org |
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| 18:21.13 | heurist | ,file genfstab |
| 18:21.17 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 18:22.16 | CheckDavid | How do I delete shortcuts from the taskbar? |
| 18:22.28 | CheckDavid | I hate how I can't find how to do it easily =( |
| 18:22.47 | abrotman | in what? |
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| 18:25.58 | CheckDavid | Ohh, I found how to. |
| 18:26.04 | CheckDavid | I must do Alt + Right click. |
| 18:26.07 | CheckDavid | I wonder why,...... |
| 18:26.53 | Zerock | If there's no genfstab, how does one easily generate an fstab file? |
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| 18:28.16 | teraflops | , grml-debootstrap |
| 18:28.19 | teraflops | ,grml-debootstrap |
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| 18:28.28 | teraflops | fuc* |
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| 18:30.03 | teraflops | Zerock: i think that package does i do not know how to show you using the bot |
| 18:30.08 | rebauld | if you don't already have an fstab your system ain't a booting up |
| 18:30.38 | Zerock | rebauld: You don't have context. |
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| 18:37.49 | tomivs | Hey debian users, what programming IDE do you recommend? |
| 18:38.06 | dondelelcaro | tomivs: I'm a fan of emacs, but eclipse or vim are pretty good too |
| 18:38.41 | abrotman | might help to know GUI/CLI and which languages are involved also |
| 18:38.44 | dondelelcaro | right |
| 18:39.16 | dondelelcaro | (for example, if you're using R, you'd probably want R studio or ESS in emacs) |
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| 18:41.04 | equex | i like kate |
| 18:41.18 | teraflops | oh boy |
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| 18:42.58 | centrx | !kate |
| 18:42.59 | dpkg | Kate (formerly Kant) is an advanced text editor, part of <KDE> since release 2.2. http://www.kate-editor.org/ |
| 18:43.12 | rgr | if you're using Java then IntelliJ is only one I'd recommend if you havent already invested ten years using the awful Eclipse. |
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| 18:43.28 | rgr | for stzuff like php, python, C, bash etc I use Emacs. |
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| 18:51.40 | rebauld | nobody and i mean nobody ever mentions the best pure ascii editor -> leafpad |
| 18:52.11 | lurgle | Hello. I'm on debian unstable. I can't seem to find the package for pitivi 0.9x series? It shows up in the package tracker as being accepted in unstable back in september.. yet I can only find version 0.13 via apt. Any idea what is going on? |
| 18:52.23 | nkuttler | ,v pitivi |
| 18:52.24 | judd | Package: pitivi on i386 -- squeeze: 0.13.4-3; wheezy: 0.15.2-0.1; sid: 0.93-4.2; jessie: 0.93-4.2; experimental: 0.94-1 |
| 18:52.41 | nkuttler | lurgle: apt-cache policy pitivi? |
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| 18:55.24 | lurgle | nkuttler: weird, seems the 0.93-4 was installed |
| 18:56.17 | lurgle | I definitely saw 0.13 somewhere |
| 18:56.23 | lurgle | err 0.15 rather |
| 18:56.26 | lurgle | oh well |
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| 18:56.33 | lurgle | thanks :) |
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| 19:04.33 | gynter | Hello, I'm using debian testing. I would like to use my Nokia 6300 on my Win virtual machine (Virtualbox-OSE) with Nokia Suite, but when connecting the phone to Debian, it finds the phone for a very short time, then disconnects it and the process starts from the beginning (connect & disconnect loop), I don't want to access the phone FS in Debian, just pass the USB device to VirtualBox. Logs: |
| 19:04.39 | gynter | https://gist.github.com/gynter/4e214fd9863b8b782f77 |
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| 19:10.21 | fodinabor | hey.. I managed to ban my self from my Debian vServer when trying to secure it. I was using a iptables timer that banned one when trying to connect 4 times in 1 minute to ssh.. http://pastebin.com/5UtHEhHs I would be able to get an other IP address (for me) but will that help? |
| 19:11.02 | rebauld | of course you should ssh into the box and change the iptables rule ;) |
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| 19:12.00 | verri | gynter: does that only happen when you try to connect from within the vm? (I mean, when you try to mount it in Debian, does it work?) |
| 19:12.05 | fodinabor | well I let some one try but he failed too.. so I don't want to block all of my available IP addresses without any results.. |
| 19:12.28 | gynter | verri: no, straight away in debian, can't mount anything in here either |
| 19:12.37 | fodinabor | rebauld: I would also have access to a Plesks Power panel - would that help? |
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| 19:13.53 | gynter | verri: I even can't see the device in VirtualBox USB dev list, because it gets disconnected nearly straight away |
| 19:13.54 | rebauld | didn't know plesk had advanced to the point where it had a power panel ... good to know |
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| 19:14.30 | verri | gynter: I remember I used a similar setup in the past, so it certainly should be possible. But if you can't mount the device in linux it seems something is wrong with your phone |
| 19:14.36 | jhutchins | fodinabor: Is it a permanent ban? |
| 19:14.53 | fodinabor | rebauld: well yeah - except that it's ssh console crashes.. |
| 19:14.54 | jhutchins | fodinabor: Did you use fail2ban or something else? |
| 19:15.03 | fodinabor | http://pastebin.com/5UtHEhHs |
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| 19:15.19 | fodinabor | jhutchinsI used these commands |
| 19:15.48 | gynter | verri: but is there a way somehow to tell the systemd-udev that don't see this device as mtp but somekind raw thing to use in VirtualBox? |
| 19:16.54 | heurist | fodinabor: you appear to have forgotten to restrict that to new connection, so after any 4 packets to port 22 you will get blocked, changing your IP will not help much. can you change the firewall rules, or disable the firewall via your panel? |
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| 19:17.50 | jhutchins | fodinabor: It's been a while since I was that deep in the docs, but I believe that will eventually expire. How long I don't remember. |
| 19:17.59 | verri | gynter: can't you add the vender/product ID as a filter in the virtualbox setup? |
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| 19:18.37 | verri | I don't know much about virtualbox, but it has a kernel module, so presumably it can override udev actions |
| 19:18.46 | fodinabor | heurist: can one add a new rule to let me through? because the rule blocking me is not shown in the panel |
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| 19:19.06 | gynter | hmm, i'll try that |
| 19:19.28 | jhutchins | fodinabor: There is a script that will allow you to implement rules, then if you don't take a specific action on the system within a given time, it will revert the changes if you've locked yourself out. It's highly recommended if you have to admin iptables remotely. |
| 19:19.31 | fodinabor | hey |
| 19:19.33 | fodinabor | cool |
| 19:19.34 | fodinabor | I made it |
| 19:19.36 | heurist | fodinabor: can you reset tge rules via the panel? make them only be the ones the panel shows? restart the firewall maybe? |
| 19:19.52 | jhutchins | fodinabor: It's either here: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ or here: http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html |
| 19:20.01 | fodinabor | heurist: I found a button resetting the iptables completely |
| 19:20.33 | heurist | fodinabor: good. now test your firewall rules on a machine you have local access too. (: |
| 19:20.34 | fodinabor | thank you guys |
| 19:20.52 | fodinabor | heurist: I'll do so ;) |
| 19:21.24 | heurist | fodinabor: it looks like adding -m conntrack --ctstate NEW should fix those though. |
| 19:21.28 | jhutchins | fodinabor: Check out those docs as well, they have some good security info. |
| 19:22.05 | fodinabor | okay thank you.. I also have fail2ban installed but I did not do anything.. |
| 19:23.20 | jhutchins | fodinabor: Two things that I've found are even more effective are throttling (see the iptables docs) and simply moving the port. |
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| 19:26.58 | fodinabor | jhutchins: moving the port might help :) I just found in my logs that some people (registered in china) were trying to log into my root account - which is disabled - but I don't like 200MB logs.. So I'll have a look at your solutions |
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| 19:27.21 | teraflops | i use fail2ban plus a perl script for fast adding ips to the blacklist |
| 19:28.03 | err404 | I just done update (testing) and my terminal doenst support any unicode chars, my locale is en_US.UTF-8, this is ok (LC_ALL= is empty and dpkg-reconfigure locale is not enough to fix my display in any terminal) |
| 19:28.07 | fodinabor | fail2ban didn't work (till 2 hours - just saw it made something..) |
| 19:28.20 | jhutchins | fodinabor: The sheer load of a brute force attack can take a server down (had it happen twice). |
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| 19:28.45 | heurist | err404: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:28.47 | teraflops | fodinabor: well works here i got banned even myself several timed due to typos ;) |
| 19:28.52 | jhutchins | fodinabor: You can get lists of IP ranges that are assigned to different parts of the world, and if there's no reason for people from a region to access your systme you can block them. |
| 19:28.53 | teraflops | times* |
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| 19:29.07 | err404 | heurist, ok |
| 19:29.10 | err404 | thanks |
| 19:29.55 | fodinabor | jhutchins: how long will that only be for china (got ~10 totally different addresses in the last 2 months.. registered in china) |
| 19:29.58 | err404 | but I cannot join channel #debian-next (Channel is invite only). :p |
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| 19:30.13 | heurist | err404: #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net not freenode |
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| 19:30.20 | err404 | ooops |
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| 19:30.47 | jhutchins | fodinabor: South America is a frequent offender as well. That system has to be on port 22 for external clients. |
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| 19:32.27 | fodinabor | jhutchins: okay.. I gonna change the port as first action. then maybe review how to change the iptables commands I used earlier :) and enjoy a now working fail2ban xD |
| 19:33.10 | jhutchins | fodinabor: The other, harder to fix problem is DDOS where a botnet hits you so the hits don't come from the same address. Then there's a really insidious one where they do a slow walk from multiple IPs. |
| 19:33.52 | jhutchins | fodinabor: Simply changing the port takes you out of the range of the simple, easy to run scripts and requires targeted effort. |
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| 19:34.21 | Computername | Hello, I need some help. |
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| 19:36.52 | Computername | I want to install debian on a PC but it doesn't work. |
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| 19:37.09 | deego | I'm trying to holdh a package called flim. I do echo flim hold | dpkg --set-selections. But, there's still no entry for flim in dpkg --set-selections. :( |
| 19:37.12 | motoflipside | i am running GNU/Linux on my computer and want to transfer the text and voicemail messages i have on my motorola flipside mobile to my computer. How can i do that with free as in freedom software? |
| 19:37.25 | deego | in dpkg --get-selections (in part 2). |
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| 19:39.18 | heurist | deego: aptitude hold flim |
| 19:39.46 | ManoftheSea | Hello. In aptitude, I've got a couple packages that are flagged "W" and "T". They claim partial install, but don't complete when I say "go". Can someone tap me with the cluebat? |
| 19:39.57 | heurist | dpkg: tell Computername -about does not work |
| 19:40.48 | deego | heurist: Thanks. It still does not show up in dpkg --get-selections. How do I list my held packages? |
| 19:41.36 | heurist | deego: apt-mark showhold ? |
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| 19:43.13 | deego | heurist: Ah, thanks! |
| 19:43.16 | Computername | He starts, everything goes up so far, only when debian wants to start the user interface, nothing works. I see some pic, but its split in 4 parts and shows the initialization. |
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| 19:45.08 | ManoftheSea | To clarify my question, where can I learn what the labels in aptitude mean? The man page doesn't seem to explain, and I'm familiar with "i" and "p", and sometimes "c" |
| 19:45.10 | fodinabor | jhutchins: thanks so far - everything is up and working again :) |
| 19:45.34 | heurist | ManoftheSea: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s02s02.html |
| 19:46.06 | fodinabor | jhutchins: I think I have to investigate some more how to protect my server but for now I'm feeling somewhat save. |
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| 19:46.25 | Computername | heurist: Its debian 6.0 squeeze with KDE desktop. But I have never seen the desktop... |
| 19:46.54 | ManoftheSea | Thank you heurist |
| 19:47.31 | heurist | ManoftheSea: though W and T are not aptitude, I do not think. maybe you are talking about dpkg-query ? |
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| 19:48.51 | ManoftheSea | No... Aptitude 0.6.11 - It lists foxtrotgps as W, gconf2 as T and A (automatic I recognize), and libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 and libwmf0.2-7 as T A and W A, respectively... |
| 19:48.59 | ManoftheSea | Your link doesn't mention W or T, either... |
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| 19:49.11 | ManoftheSea | And aptitude claims them as partially installed, but does nothing. |
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| 19:49.49 | heurist | ManoftheSea: man dpkg-query talks about those partial installed states. maybe aptitude is relaying that information? |
| 19:50.15 | ManoftheSea | ok, I'll look. |
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| 19:50.51 | Computername | Hello? |
| 19:51.08 | heurist | ManoftheSea: or maybe it is your "testing" version of aptitude. questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 19:51.34 | ManoftheSea | oh, alright, I'll go there. Thanks. |
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| 19:54.40 | Computername | I need help to install debian... |
| 19:54.52 | centrx | !ask |
| 19:54.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:55.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell Computername -about install debian |
| 19:55.31 | centrx | Computername, Why are you newly installing an old version of Debian? |
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| 19:56.32 | ManoftheSea | Hmm, I found "L", to reinstall. This has finished the install of those packages. And really, since I'm running testing and this seems a transitive error, I'm not concerned in reproducing/reporting. Should I be? |
| 19:56.42 | err404 | <-- problem with special chars in term, solved \o, may be dpkg-reconfigure locale need reboot to take full effect? |
| 19:56.43 | ManoftheSea | Otherwise, thank you for the help, heurist, Debian. |
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| 19:57.11 | Computername | centrx: Thats right. It was a time ago and I have a old DVD... Sorry for that. But the basical problem is that i cannot see anything on the desktop. How can I try to start debian without the kde desktop? |
| 19:57.16 | Azitrex | is version of amd64 for all 64bit architecte processors ? |
| 19:57.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell Azitrex -about why amd64 |
| 19:57.32 | babilen | Azitrex: It is indeed |
| 19:57.48 | ManoftheSea | er, no? ARM64 and ia64 are different |
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| 19:58.07 | ManoftheSea | of course, if you're asking that question, the answer is probably right enough. |
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| 19:59.56 | Azitrex | i have a laptop with intel dual core that dont supported 64bit architecture |
| 19:59.57 | Azitrex | this version is enough for my device ? |
| 19:59.59 | Azitrex | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-7.6.0-i386-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 20:00.37 | err404 | Azitrex, yes |
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| 20:01.20 | err404 | Azitrex, if you can , use usbkey instead of cdrom |
| 20:02.02 | err404 | with 'lsblk' you can list your usbkey |
| 20:02.08 | Azitrex | thanks i'm newbie but debian website dont have a good tutorials for our !! there are a lot of versions , i dont know why debian have amd64 !! it's supported on amd cpus ?! |
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| 20:02.33 | err404 | amd64 is for 64bits |
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| 20:02.39 | centrx | Azitrex, It's the architecture created by AMD, adopted by Intel |
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| 20:03.16 | adh0c | Hi all - I have a system where logrotation is not properly set up and my syslogs were becoming unmanageable. I initially dealt with it by manually rotating the old syslogs and zipping them. |
| 20:03.35 | heurist | Azitrex: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/x86-64 |
| 20:03.38 | centrx | adh0c, apt-get install rsyslog ? |
| 20:03.59 | adh0c | However, touching a new syslog and setting the ownership permissions to match appears to have interrupted the logging capabilities. |
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| 20:05.43 | Azitrex | so in now approxly all processor have this architecture and i think amd64 is a little not correct word ! for example first mouse created by apple so you named "apple mouse" for saying of your mouse ? |
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| 20:05.52 | petn-randall | adh0c: Whatever log daemon you have, it will still have an open file descriptor on the old file, and continue writing to it. You likely have to send it an SIGHUP to reopen the files. |
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| 20:06.24 | centrx | Azitrex, More like "Kleenex" or "IBM PC-compatible" |
| 20:06.26 | heurist | Azitrex: agreed, but names take a long time to change. |
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| 20:11.01 | adh0c | Thanks petn-randall, I just sorted it. |
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| 20:18.56 | dahui | Hi.. does some one when trying to configure a nvidia board.. had an error on dmesg like this: NVRM: This is a 64-bit BAR mapped above 4GB by the system |
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| 20:21.39 | robotgerman | hello, anyone know of any issues upgrading to 3.2? |
| 20:21.51 | robotgerman | i recently upped to 7.7 |
| 20:22.00 | robotgerman | and none of my btrfs volumes mount |
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| 20:22.32 | centrx | robotgerman, upgraded from squeeze/Debian 6 to wheezy/Debian 7 ? |
| 20:22.44 | jalalsfs | robotgerman, What is '3.2'? |
| 20:23.51 | ManoftheSea | azitrex, do you also argue about i386, or x86? Given AMD doesn't make a *86 processor? |
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| 20:24.05 | ManoftheSea | for that matter, x86 won't work on an 8086. |
| 20:24.09 | robotgerman | when i upped to 7.7 it went from 2.6.32-5-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 20:24.36 | ManoftheSea | That's your kernel version |
| 20:24.40 | robotgerman | yep |
| 20:25.39 | jalalsfs | You don't want to upgrade kernel package? |
| 20:25.51 | robotgerman | after reboot into 3.2.0-4 for the first time no btrfs volume mounts |
| 20:26.05 | robotgerman | but they do in 2.6.32 |
| 20:26.06 | ManoftheSea | There's no reason I could think of that 3.2 kernel should be unable to run btrfs |
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| 20:27.41 | gynter | verri: yea, this might be some weird phone issue, Nokia 7230 works fine. |
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| 20:28.11 | indes | anyone know if hfp is working with bluez5/ofono or if I can do bluez4 under unstable.. ? |
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| 20:28.47 | robotgerman | yeah it's super weird |
| 20:29.08 | robotgerman | if i boot into the previous |
| 20:29.12 | robotgerman | no problem |
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| 20:29.35 | jalalsfs | robotgerman, Can you mount them manually? |
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| 20:30.25 | robotgerman | nah |
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| 20:30.32 | robotgerman | says bad superblock |
| 20:30.44 | robotgerman | wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, |
| 20:30.44 | robotgerman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.44 | robotgerman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.46 | robotgerman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:30.48 | ManoftheSea | Hmm, btrfs was experimental back then, wasn't it? |
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| 20:34.06 | rebauld | no robotgerman ?? i think you might need to recover something -> testdisk/photorec ? |
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| 20:53.14 | Guest5410 | I just rsync'd my entire home directory, it exited saying some files could not be transfered. How can I easily tell which? There are hundreds of thousands of files |
| 20:54.36 | jolt_ | use -v? |
| 20:55.28 | fabienne_ | I did, and I could look back through what it verbosed but there are alot of files and my terminal doesn't even keep track of that much history |
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| 20:55.37 | rebauld | also save both dirs listings into a file (ls -la > dir#.txt) and then diff them or vimdiff the txt files? |
| 20:55.40 | fabienne_ | is there some log I could grep? If so what might the command be? |
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| 20:56.59 | jolt_ | fabienne_: it does support --log-file=file if you want to run it again. Or do wht rebauld said |
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| 20:57.57 | fabienne_ | thanks I figured it out, was a few files in my .Trash that I didn't care about anyways |
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| 21:02.34 | petn-randall | judd: kernels |
| 21:02.35 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.17-1-686-pae (3.17-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.16.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 21:03.57 | petn-randall | critias: Depends on what you want to achieve. |
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| 21:10.19 | Athas | Whenever I have a runaway program that consumes large amounts of memory (that is: has a runaway leak), my system becomes extremely unresponsive, despite not having enabled swap. How could this be? |
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| 21:11.31 | dondelelcaro | Athas: you'll start shedding cache and other things, which will sometimes require disk access to do what you were doing until the program gets hit by the OOM |
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| 21:14.57 | rebauld | not enabling swap sounds like a very bad thing for you to do if you are running out of memory |
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| 21:19.22 | dondelelcaro | rebauld: the advantage is that if you have too much swap, you'll get IO deadlocked well before the OOM switches in |
| 21:19.50 | dondelelcaro | rebauld: so the trick is to get the swap amount just right, so at the moment you run out of real ram and start getting IO deadlocked, OOM kills things off |
| 21:20.21 | dondelelcaro | at least, that's what I think. Someone who really understands the VM probably could say more |
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| 21:22.18 | Athas | dondelelcaro: well, it's things like the mouse cursor in Xorg that starts being unresponsive. But I suppose that sure, the code segments of running processes could still be evicted... |
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| 21:22.30 | Athas | Is there a way to flat-out stop the kernel from ever evicting code? |
| 21:22.50 | rebauld | Athas: what kind of scheuler are you using in the debian? server? or desktop? |
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| 21:23.16 | Athas | rebauld: um, whatever is the default. This is on my laptop, though, so I'd probably want to use the desktop scheduler if there's a difference. |
| 21:23.19 | rebauld | is there a way .... -> add more memory :) |
| 21:23.47 | rebauld | check ps -efw and rcconf and chkconfig --list and turn off unneeded things |
| 21:23.54 | Athas | I can't buy memory as quickly as a runaway process can allocate it, though! |
| 21:24.25 | centrx | swap might actually help because you'll notice it getting slower before it nears memory exhaustion |
| 21:24.29 | rebauld | amazon has the new drone delivery ... |
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| 21:25.00 | Athas | centrx: as soon as it starts swapping my machine becomes unusably slow, though. |
| 21:25.14 | Athas | By disabling swap at least the runaway process will be killed at some point. |
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| 21:25.36 | Athas | It's doubly bad if the runaway process uses a compacting garbage collector... ugh. |
| 21:26.57 | rebauld | what is the app? |
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| 21:27.45 | Athas | rebauld: this time, it was a test runner written by a colleague that ended up allocating infinitely large structures. |
| 21:28.11 | rebauld | i'd say they need to fix their software |
| 21:28.24 | Athas | It's not finished software yet. |
| 21:28.28 | rebauld | use dynamic arrays in the code? |
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| 21:28.58 | centrx | Athas, you can set resource limits on users with ulmit |
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| 21:29.03 | centrx | ulimit |
| 21:30.04 | Athas | centrx: right, and I do that when I remember to, but I don't necessarily want to limit the allocation of all my hacking. Although maybe I should just bite the bullet and put a 1GiB limit on ghci or something... |
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| 21:31.00 | Athas | First, I think I will try fiddling around with /proc/sys/vm/swappiness and see if I can get something that works better for me... |
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| 21:31.29 | Athas | Not sure it matters with swap disabled, though. |
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| 21:57.55 | malice | Hello. How can I change my keyboard layout? I accidentally picked wrong layout during installation - how can I change it? |
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| 21:59.23 | rebauld | https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard |
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| 22:00.03 | rebauld | ^^^ my easiest google search yet |
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| 22:02.23 | malice | I hope it's helpful. Thanks for now! :) |
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| 22:15.33 | KJL_OuT | buona sera a tutti/e we we asd |
| 22:15.35 | KJL_OuT | .ki |
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| 22:15.48 | teraflops | now /list? |
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| 22:19.06 | teraflops | KJL: may I ask you something? |
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| 22:20.13 | KJL | teraflops Hi and welcome ^_* |
| 22:21.10 | teraflops | sorry I wonder if you know why mostly italian people do the "list" thing on irc channels |
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| 22:21.46 | KJL | teraflops yep, i have one ask for java et apk free on andorid ok, do you know ?! |
| 22:21.58 | KJL | android* |
| 22:22.21 | teraflops | heh nop KJL |
| 22:22.30 | teraflops | shrugs |
| 22:22.59 | KJL | teraflops azzzz sorry for now denied gnè gnè |
| 22:23.10 | teraflops | no problem KJL |
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| 22:24.12 | rebauld | maybe KJL can translate for KJL_Out |
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| 22:24.59 | teraflops | rebauld: im already shocked |
| 22:25.53 | KJL | teraflops but there is one chan in this net: of build one apk from eclipse in java with 2 or 3 mb of space for free ok ;-) |
| 22:26.01 | tulam | i have trackpoint (lenovo laptop) and I cant get it to do press-select (left click) with it, does anyone know how to set it up? I used this page still no luck https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thinkwiki.org%2Fwiki%2FHow_to_configure_the_TrackPoint |
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| 22:26.25 | KJL | rebauld thank a lot, for you interest ;-) |
| 22:27.07 | rebauld | np yw :) |
| 22:27.32 | teraflops | ah KJL sorri dontknow, may be |
| 22:27.36 | teraflops | srry* |
| 22:27.58 | KJL | teraflops welcome ^_* |
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| 22:28.23 | rebauld | is the trackpoint synaptics? try to install the synaptics package - check lshw |
| 22:28.37 | jbaiter | let's say I have updated a debian package from a new upstream release, but am not interested in becoming a maintainer for that package, is there a way to contribute the change? |
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| 22:29.11 | rebauld | just submit a patch to the source? |
| 22:29.15 | dondelelcaro | jbaiter: you can submit whatever changes were necessary to the a "new upstream version" bugreport |
| 22:29.38 | rebauld | KJL is the trackpoint synaptics? try to install the synaptics package - check lshw |
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| 22:30.16 | jbaiter | okay, so just a 'git diff' from the modified master branch? |
| 22:30.29 | tulam | rebauld: it works as a mouse, but click stuff does not |
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| 22:33.05 | tulam | rebauld: TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint |
| 22:33.26 | tulam | that is the little red stick in ibm/lenovo laptops |
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| 22:36.57 | rebauld | tulam do you want to tell KJL |
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| 22:37.32 | teraflops | oh trackpoint ... reminds me of the real thinkpads days |
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| 22:38.45 | tulam | teraflops: still holds up |
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| 22:39.05 | teraflops | the trackpoint part yeah |
| 22:39.06 | jamesbdev_ | HI, I'm having trouble with smtp in outlook 2013. It works FINE over port 25 but doesn't work on port 465. How can I configure exim to treat port 465 the same as port 25 ?? I have confirmed that exim is listening on port 465 |
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| 22:39.56 | heurist | jamesbdev_: 465 should be using ssl, configure your mail client to use ssl as well. |
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| 22:40.52 | jamesbdev_ | heurist: I have tried that and it doesn't work, just says cannot connect |
| 22:40.57 | jamesbdev_ | i cant find any info in exim logs either |
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| 22:41.12 | rebauld | port blocked by firewall? |
| 22:41.12 | heurist | jamesbdev_: 587 is probably the correct port to use for mail submission anyway. try that instead. |
| 22:41.52 | jamesbdev_ | port 587 has same result as port 465 which is it doesn't work, SSL or not |
| 22:41.58 | jamesbdev_ | I will confirm that firewall is not the problem |
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| 22:43.46 | rj47 | hello, if occidentally files permissions in /proc/net was changed, what is the easiest way to "restore" them ?:P |
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| 22:44.03 | rj47 | accidentally* |
| 22:44.04 | heurist | rj47: reboot |
| 22:44.43 | rj47 | heurist: ok , thank you ;D |
| 22:45.05 | rj47 | heurist: i was afraid its gonna be harder ;p |
| 22:45.20 | heurist | rj47: nah, they are all transient. |
| 22:46.31 | rj47 | heurist: i have freaking problem with snmp, it always in log that cannot open /proc/net/snmp , so ok I see I got grsec kernel, I added snmp to special group |
| 22:47.00 | rj47 | heurist: it sill cannot open, i tried to manually fix it, no dice ;/ |
| 22:47.39 | heurist | rj47: those files should be 444 root:root so anyone can read them. |
| 22:48.41 | rj47 | heurist: with grsec config to allow read them I need to add user to special group |
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| 22:49.39 | heurist | rj47: grsec may be messing you around, but file permissions should not be the problem. |
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| 23:02.05 | rebauld | you don't want to be messing with /proc permissions that is where the kernel 'lives' |
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| 23:05.11 | rj47 | heurist: http://superuser.com/questions/387706/allow-snmpd-to-read-proc-net-when-running-a-grsecurity-kernel-and-the-grsec-p |
| 23:05.22 | rj47 | heurist: I meant something like this |
| 23:05.47 | rj47 | heurist: snmp in debian can't feaking open it ;d |
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| 23:09.07 | g00se | How do i stop a user being able to shutdown in Xfce/Jessie? |
| 23:10.03 | heurist | g00se: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:10.13 | rebauld | i don't think a user can? what are the permissions on halt/shutdown etc |
| 23:10.22 | g00se | Thanks |
| 23:10.59 | g00se | Actually it's odd as Debian used to (rightly) forbid shutdown if another user was logged in |
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| 23:11.15 | centrx | Any local user can restart or shutdown with Ctrl-Alt-Del or unplugging |
| 23:11.32 | centrx | But normally prevented from using those commands, but the desktop environments do something different I think |
| 23:11.53 | rebauld | in the old /etc/inittab you could trap the ctrl-alt-del |
| 23:12.16 | g00se | centrx: i'm trying to prevent an 'unthinking' shutdown, not a determined one. A fire axe is also quite effective ... |
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| 23:12.19 | rebauld | ca::ctrlaltdel: |
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| 23:39.38 | techfreak | hi guys |
| 23:40.05 | techfreak | I need good traffic statistic collector tool for my debian 7 router, like ntopng but it's not compiling on my box and ntop is old |
| 23:40.14 | techfreak | can you help me? |
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