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| 00:00.26 | `ez-io- | jeroen_, was it updated befire the restart? |
| 00:00.30 | `ez-io- | before |
| 00:00.39 | jeroen_ | It worked fine |
| 00:00.52 | jeroen_ | but after I restarted the system it doesn't work anymore. |
| 00:00.54 | `ez-io- | i mean, was mysqld updated? |
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| 00:01.02 | jeroen_ | Yes I think so. |
| 00:01.20 | `ez-io- | ah |
| 00:01.24 | jeroen_ | linux noob so not sure |
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| 00:01.52 | `ez-io- | post these 2 commands: |
| 00:01.59 | `ez-io- | tail -n 200 /var/log/mysql.err |
| 00:02.01 | `ez-io- | tail -n 200 /var/log/mysql.log |
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| 00:02.19 | `ez-io- | paste i mean |
| 00:02.35 | `ez-io- | i think i know what happened, but need to be sure |
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| 00:03.00 | ben_vulpes | am i reading this (https://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/miniupnpc) correctly that the backport of that package is only available for 1/5 |
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| 00:03.02 | ben_vulpes | 1.5* |
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| 00:03.35 | jeroen_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.40 | ruukasu | why is there no candidate for gnash in testing all of a sudden? |
| 00:04.17 | `ez-io- | and .log ? |
| 00:04.19 | jeroen_ | èz-io-: tail: cannot open `/var/log/mysql.log' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 00:04.23 | `ez-io- | wtf |
| 00:04.58 | `ez-io- | we need to know what files contain mysql logs to find it out |
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| 00:05.58 | `ez-io- | grep -ir 'mysqld' /var/log/ |
| 00:06.05 | `ez-io- | should say which contain |
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| 00:06.27 | jeroen_ | wwwwwooooooooooow |
| 00:06.32 | jeroen_ | did get a lot of things there |
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| 00:06.43 | `ez-io- | you only need filenames |
| 00:06.53 | `ez-io- | each line is starting with filenames |
| 00:06.58 | `ez-io- | file:... |
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| 00:07.41 | `ez-io- | is there /var/log/mysqld.log ? |
| 00:07.54 | `ez-io- | or /var/log/mysqld.err |
| 00:08.04 | jeroen_ | ysql_connect(): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) in /var/www/php/config.php on line 6 |
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| 00:11.04 | jeroen_ | `ez-io-: can't find one |
| 00:11.23 | `ez-io- | just test with ls/cat or smth |
| 00:11.26 | `ez-io- | /var/log/mysqld.log /var/log/mysqld.err |
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| 00:12.15 | jeroen_ | none |
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| 00:13.16 | jeroen_ | `ez-io-, we won't find it I guess. I'll ask someone for it tomorrow. |
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| 00:13.19 | jeroen_ | Thanks for your help anyway:) |
| 00:13.22 | jeroen_ | going to sleep now. |
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| 00:13.30 | `ez-io- | ok |
| 00:13.32 | `ez-io- | gn8 |
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| 00:20.02 | knob | Hello everyone. |
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| 00:20.08 | knob | Is it me, or the wiki is down? wiki.debia.org |
| 00:20.15 | knob | wiki.debian.org ? |
| 00:20.21 | knob | https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 00:20.58 | heurist | knob: appears to be down. |
| 00:21.09 | knob | heurist, ok... at least I am not crazy then. |
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| 00:21.12 | knob | =) |
| 00:21.13 | Daekdroom | I can't access it either. |
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| 00:21.32 | heurist | knob: we not evidence that you are not crazy. |
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| 00:21.52 | knob | =P |
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| 00:35.56 | viccuad | guys, is there a way to unninstall a package and the dependences it installed? I installed dwww, but if I remove it it would only remove dwww and not apache. thanks in advance |
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| 00:36.28 | qman__ | viccuad: apt-get remove package; apt-get autoremove |
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| 00:37.11 | viccuad | qman__: doh. now I feel silly. I should go to bed. thanks |
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| 00:37.41 | qman__ | viccuad: autoremove will remove packages that were only installed as dependencies which are no longer required; if you installed some deps manually it won't remove those |
| 00:37.53 | qman__ | or if any are still needed by something else |
| 00:38.35 | viccuad | qman__: well, autoremove does not take away apache :/ . |
| 00:38.59 | viccuad | and it was installed as a dependency, and not used by something else |
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| 01:03.57 | nezZario | If I want to run upgrade nightly is there an existing way to turn that on or just slap the commands into a cron? |
| 01:04.04 | nezZario | update, upgrade, dist-upgrade |
| 01:05.30 | heurist | nezZario: something like the cron-apt package? |
| 01:06.15 | nezZario | That's probably what I'm looking for, I'll check it out, thanks. |
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| 01:18.15 | unclezipper | heurist: I wrote my own script to do it. Wasn't aware there was a package for automatically updating |
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| 02:08.38 | acu | I have seen Linux kernel (linux-image-3.17-1) in experimental, I wonder if that usually goes in sid, then in jessie ? |
| 02:08.50 | acu | https://packages.debian.org/experimental/kernel/ |
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| 02:14.24 | themill | acu: no, the intention is to release jessie with 3.16 |
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| 02:20.28 | acu | themill: thanks, it makes little sense to forgo the chance to use a kernel which is supported by upstream for longer term, not to mention a lot of arm support for newer chips and many others... we miss another wonderful chance to make debian a bit more future proof :) |
| 02:23.23 | themill | backported kernels will still be available as normal |
| 02:24.59 | acu | Yes, but wouldn't be wonderful to have the proper kernel to begin with ? I beleive in "native" cathedral type of aproach, bazaars are always with loose ends :) |
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| 02:31.21 | themill | acu: 3.17 is just too late to use. https://bits.debian.org/2014/07/kernel-version-for-jessie.html |
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| 02:54.53 | istvanchung | Is lists.debian.org down? I can't seem to reach it. What about the mailing lists themselves? |
| 02:57.43 | themill | yes, it's down at the moment due to something being done at that data centre. Hopefully all the mail to the mailing lists will be lost for the time being to save us reading the same drivel again and again... |
| 02:57.43 | heurist | istvanchung: it appears to be down, so does the wiki. |
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| 02:59.02 | dvs | such an optimist... |
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| 03:07.14 | istvanchung | themill: Well, if it had happened during the voting then there would never be an end to it... |
| 03:07.29 | themill | there never will :( |
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| 03:08.27 | istvanchung | themill: I'm inclined to agree. |
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| 03:15.31 | istvanchung | themill: Have there been disputes as controversial as this one before? I'm really new to the debian world, so the presence of such a huge argument surprised me. |
| 03:16.41 | themill | Debian does arguments very well and all the dirty laundry is displayed in public. It doesn't normally drag on for so long or get so many people annoyed though |
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| 03:18.09 | yoLo_ | how do i use pdftk ? |
| 03:18.16 | yoLo_ | do i call it from terminal ? |
| 03:18.20 | themill | yes |
| 03:19.37 | yoLo_ | themill, so i run the command: pdftk followed by the files i want joined ? |
| 03:19.54 | themill | it has quite a good man page with examples -- there's slightly more to it than that |
| 03:20.02 | yoLo_ | :| |
| 03:20.50 | yoLo_ | themill, i'm reading the synopsis |
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| 03:21.38 | themill | as much as I'd encourage you to read over the entire man page (there are lots of great things it can do), the Examples section is at the end |
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| 03:22.22 | drumr | how can i install headers 3.14-2 in jessie. i can only seem to access 3.16 |
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| 03:23.16 | themill | drumr: there's no 3.14 kernel in jessie. If for some reason you can't upgrade to 3.16, you'd need to grab that package from snapshot.debian.org |
| 03:23.18 | yoLo_ | themill, where can i get the manual ? |
| 03:23.29 | themill | yoLo_: I thought you were reading it? |
| 03:23.40 | drumr | i have 3.16. i need 3.14 headers swo i can install this stupid realtek driver |
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| 03:24.39 | yoLo_ | themill, i typed in terminal pdftk and synopsis popped out |
| 03:24.50 | themill | yoLo_: ahh. "man pdftk" |
| 03:24.58 | somiaj | drumr: just to repeate, you can get older packages at snapshot.debian.org |
| 03:24.59 | yoLo_ | thanks |
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| 03:26.37 | themill | drumr: I'm not sure why you need the 3.14 headers if you're running 3.16. |
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| 03:38.58 | drumr | when i run the driver install.sh |
| 03:39.14 | drumr | the lib module for 3.14-2 is not found |
| 03:39.26 | drumr | recipe for target modules failed |
| 03:39.37 | themill | Do you have an old linux-image-* package installed for 3.14 that you could now uninstall since you don't need it? |
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| 03:39.40 | drumr | i was able to install them without an issue in jessie |
| 03:39.51 | drumr | yeah i do have linux image 3.14 |
| 03:39.55 | drumr | i can uninstall that |
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| 03:40.46 | drumr | so because itsa on there it tries to install it there? |
| 03:41.11 | themill | I assume that's what their silly installer is trying, yes |
| 03:41.24 | jpleau | drumr: Before going further are you certain this driver is not in debian's archive? |
| 03:41.24 | drumr | that would make sense why im having issues |
| 03:41.40 | drumr | in my searches i couldnt find |
| 03:41.46 | themill | I've seen plenty of things look for all the kernels listed in /lib/modules/ |
| 03:41.48 | drumr | i though it was in the firmware in the nonfree |
| 03:42.02 | drumr | but i can iwlist wlan0 |
| 03:42.16 | drumr | when i tested in qwheezy it only worked after i installed these drivers from realtek |
| 03:42.24 | drumr | without it cant find the interface |
| 03:42.39 | jpleau | What's the hardware? |
| 03:42.45 | drumr | wifi usb |
| 03:42.58 | drumr | using realtek 8192cu |
| 03:43.15 | jpleau | This should be included in the firmware-realtek package from non-free |
| 03:43.26 | drumr | it is |
| 03:43.36 | drumr | but its not working to let me access the hardware |
| 03:43.55 | drumr | when i installed the realtek driver in wheezy i could |
| 03:43.58 | drumr | but not in jessie |
| 03:44.16 | drumr | in wheezy i had to install the driver from realtek |
| 03:44.55 | jpleau | Do you have the exact model from lsusb? |
| 03:45.17 | drumr | yes |
| 03:45.32 | drumr | rtl8192cu |
| 03:45.47 | jpleau | It's usually best to avoid not using apt/dpkg, specially for drivers, if you upgrade your kernel, it won't work anymore |
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| 03:46.16 | drumr | i know. i was able to get nvidia through the non free |
| 03:46.20 | drumr | for graphics |
| 03:46.26 | drumr | but this is the last thing i am having issues with |
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| 03:47.17 | themill | realtek devices can be like that |
| 03:47.31 | drumr | not real plug and play |
| 03:47.52 | drumr | from what ive read its the drivers with distro that is the issue |
| 03:47.59 | acu | I updated Jessie and now the GRUB is meessed up - I get error: symbol 'grub_term_highlight_color' not found. Entering rescue mode grub rescue> ___ what do I need to do here? |
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| 03:48.42 | drumr | i was using wheezy then steamw ouldnt install |
| 03:48.48 | drumr | cause i needed a newer version of something |
| 03:49.01 | jpleau | Yes you need a newer libc6 for steam |
| 03:49.03 | drumr | and now i cant install the drivers for this but i can in wheezy |
| 03:49.10 | drumr | ive about had it |
| 03:49.26 | drumr | i didnt have this much issues with fedora |
| 03:49.40 | themill | realtek's drivers being crap is distro-independent |
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| 03:50.12 | jpleau | I had to install wheezy on a laptop last week, and I couldn't get wifi to work (realtek) until I installed networkmanager |
| 03:50.22 | jpleau | for some reason magic happened |
| 03:50.41 | drumr | yeah |
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| 03:51.44 | drumr | im testing options in a vm right now become i commit them to the box running it |
| 03:51.48 | jpleau | Is there a kernel module that would be loaded for that driver? lsmod | grep 8192 |
| 03:52.10 | themill | VMs and real hardware is never pretty |
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| 03:52.14 | jpleau | wait, you are trying to get wlan0 to show up in a vm? |
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| 03:52.33 | drumr | doesnt look likw itr |
| 03:52.41 | drumr | i was trying to get it to show up on a box |
| 03:52.51 | drumr | but i tested it in vm |
| 03:52.59 | drumr | since i had the wifi usb pass through |
| 03:53.04 | drumr | and got it to work with wheezy |
| 03:53.32 | drumr | but no the box or the vm with jessie |
| 03:53.46 | drumr | it wants to install in thelib module 3.14-2 |
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| 03:54.16 | jpleau | Are you running kernel 3.14 or 3.16 |
| 03:54.57 | drumr | on jessie im running 3.16 |
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| 03:57.18 | drumr | ok |
| 03:57.20 | drumr | now its working |
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| 03:57.26 | drumr | with 3.17 |
| 03:57.29 | acu | I updated Jessie and now the GRUB is meessed up - I get error: symbol 'grub_term_highlight_color' not found. Entering rescue mode grub rescue> ___ what do I need to do here? |
| 03:57.29 | drumr | err 3.16 |
| 03:57.36 | drumr | i was able to get on the box |
| 03:57.48 | drumr | but i get other errors now |
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| 03:57.57 | heurist | dpkg: tell drumr -about enter |
| 03:58.49 | drumr | the erro now is makefile:181 recipe for target sub-make failed |
| 03:59.05 | drumr | and then makefile:584 |
| 03:59.51 | drumr | ok weird |
| 04:00.00 | drumr | now it works with iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 04:00.04 | drumr | slams head on desk |
| 04:00.22 | jpleau | So it's using the driver/firmware from debian's package? |
| 04:00.24 | drumr | now gonna see somethings on the box i am trying to get this to work on |
| 04:00.30 | drumr | it guess so |
| 04:00.36 | drumr | i guess |
| 04:00.41 | drumr | non free repo |
| 04:00.47 | drumr | it started to install |
| 04:00.51 | drumr | but had errors |
| 04:01.03 | drumr | once it used 3.16 instead of 3.14 |
| 04:01.14 | drumr | i installed the linux image 3.16 |
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| 04:05.39 | slow_tech | is anyone alive tonight? :) |
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| 04:06.32 | somiaj | slow_tech: if you have a question you should just ask |
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| 04:06.43 | slow_tech | i don't really have one |
| 04:06.58 | slow_tech | it's just my first time here and i was trying to get a feel for the pace of the room :) |
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| 04:07.45 | somiaj | slow_tech: this is a support room, many idel here. So it is a place you can ask questions about the debian operating system. There are other channels if you are looking for social/offtipic chatter |
| 04:08.06 | slow_tech | oh ok i see. thanks somiaj :) |
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| 04:14.09 | monkwitdafunk | hi debian channel |
| 04:14.21 | monkwitdafunk | i have 7.6.0 dvd1 to dvd3 |
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| 04:15.58 | drumr | jpleau ok i got it to work in the wm now need to get it twork on the box. havcing issues with it finding the wlan0 for scanning |
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| 04:16.33 | drumr | i did get the makefile erorrs with the installation of the driver |
| 04:17.32 | monkwitdafunk | are you using ssh or gnupg? |
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| 04:18.08 | monkwitdafunk | do you need nonfree modules or packages? |
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| 04:19.33 | drumr | i have that all set up |
| 04:19.56 | monkwitdafunk | care you texting about NICs? |
| 04:19.57 | drumr | sorry heurist |
| 04:20.11 | monkwitdafunk | are you* |
| 04:20.25 | monkwitdafunk | maybe pause operation and flow control |
| 04:20.52 | monkwitdafunk | flp burst and auto negotiation can be seen ( LED ) |
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| 04:21.29 | monkwitdafunk | have you ever manually configured NICs? |
| 04:21.36 | monkwitdafunk | i need to learn |
| 04:21.57 | drumr | im using a wifi usb. having issues ith the network manager to interface with it. driver installation issues |
| 04:22.41 | monkwitdafunk | ok. im not much of a wireless guy. sorry |
| 04:22.57 | drumr | me neither |
| 04:23.02 | monkwitdafunk | oh cool |
| 04:23.06 | jesther | drumr: It could possibly also be bluetooth. |
| 04:23.21 | jesther | So you gotta be sure if it's WiFi or bluetooth. |
| 04:23.31 | drumr | i am pretty sure it is wifi |
| 04:23.50 | drumr | ive been working on and using computers for over 20 years. i can tell the difference |
| 04:24.35 | drumr | i may be missing some basics or other information but i can get around pretty well. i usually try to search for answers on forums etc before coming to the irc |
| 04:25.25 | jesther | Usually, hotplugging is automated. I guess re-compiling the kernel is the only option. Thoughh I don't know how to generate an initrd. |
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| 04:27.39 | acu | is there a Jessie live system ? |
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| 04:27.45 | drumr | ill ask a friend who can practically do this stuff in his sleep |
| 04:28.00 | drumr | acu dont think so |
| 04:28.17 | acu | the jessie update just screwed grub |
| 04:28.24 | acu | I need to reinstall grub somehow |
| 04:28.33 | acu | or to know grom grub rescue to redirect the boot |
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| 04:29.09 | themill | acu: you would chroot into the installation before reinstalling grub so you should be able to use any live cd you like |
| 04:30.16 | acu | themill is there a way to use the debian-installer netinstall to boot and just rescue reinitiate grub ? |
| 04:31.49 | themill | yes |
| 04:32.03 | acu | any hints, directions ? |
| 04:32.06 | themill | !fixgrub |
| 04:32.07 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI! |
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| 04:36.59 | acu | themill: it is weird, the Grub I directet was to /boot |
| 04:37.18 | acu | it was an /dev/sda1 |
| 04:37.33 | acu | but now I am confused how should I know where to install grub ? |
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| 04:38.30 | monkwitdafunk | are you trying to run a container while sharing folders? |
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| 04:39.54 | monkwitdafunk | you can use the swap partition within a syslinux debian |
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| 04:41.10 | monkwitdafunk | idk about using folders specifically to choot |
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| 04:42.08 | monkwitdafunk | try supergrubdisk.org |
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| 04:46.04 | acu | I went to expert mode and got to an interactive shell - it seem that I got alreadey in /target |
| 04:46.14 | acu | however I do not know how to go further |
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| 04:48.41 | monkwitdafunk | how do you want to operate your system? i personally turn everything off when i leave my home |
| 04:49.00 | monkwitdafunk | except my fridge |
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| 04:53.16 | jelly-home | acu: make sure /target/boot is mounted as well, then do the chroot dance |
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| 04:54.28 | maybefbi | what does "ip route add VPNSERVER_IP via LOCALGATEWAY_IP dev eth0 proto static" mean? |
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| 04:56.11 | jelly-home | maybefbi: before replacing your default route, you want to provide a route to your vpn endpoint so that the vpn protocol traffic knows where to go |
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| 04:57.35 | jelly-home | maybefbi: presumably this template for a command line does just that |
| 04:58.42 | maybefbi | jelly-home, im trying to connect to two VPN servers from the same machine, and then use that machine as a WiFi access point. |
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| 04:59.09 | acu | jelly-home, you are right /target/boot was not there |
| 04:59.49 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. I've run into another possible problem. While on Windows XP, I was able to press ALT with a number to produce characters not on the keyboard. For example, ALT+0215 produced ×. I tried it in my text editor, and my computer just beeped at me. Does Debian have something akin to alt codes? |
| 05:00.43 | Lady_Aleena | I did a Google search, however, the one article that may have had the answer on the Debian wiki would not load. |
| 05:01.27 | _FBi | http://www.ohbuntu.blogspot.ca/2010/02/quickly-type-special-characters-ubuntu.html |
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| 05:07.39 | Lady_Aleena | So, it looks like the answer is no, since the character thing I have doesn't have the symbols I am looking for available. |
| 05:08.02 | _FBi | I dunno -- final answer |
| 05:08.22 | Lady_Aleena | Thanks for trying _FBi. |
| 05:08.41 | _FBi | good thing I'm not batman |
| 05:09.03 | themill | Lady_Aleena: <compose> x x gives à |
| 05:09.06 | themill | !compose key |
| 05:09.07 | dpkg | To enter chars like á ç à ¿ © â ± â in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your right windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ. Ask me about <compose sequences>, use xev (x11-utils package) to find the windows-key keycode if 117 does not match it. Similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command. |
| 05:09.45 | _FBi | thanks themill |
| 05:09.48 | themill | (you can define the compose key in they keyboard settings dialogue box in kde or other desktops rather than using xmodmap) |
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| 05:10.36 | rryoumaa | i don't trust flash but want to use it. i want to sandbox chromium (to play a music station). i am told virtualization will be too slow. does running schroot as a dedicated user offer any added security over running as a dedicated user? |
| 05:11.39 | themill | rryoumaa: once a process has access to your X session, you probably want to trust it. |
| 05:13.06 | rryoumaa | sounds like i am stuck with flash then :( |
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| 05:13.30 | rryoumaa | hmm, i could run a second x? |
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| 05:15.21 | Lady_Aleena | themill, thank you. |
| 05:15.57 | Lady_Aleena | I finally found a use for the Caps Lock key. |
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| 05:16.04 | themill | :) |
| 05:17.20 | Lady_Aleena | Now if I can only figure out why my perl scripts are breaking when looking for directories with unusual characters in their names. |
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| 05:20.08 | Lady_Aleena | I do a search with a perl script for the Connections², Connections³, Nightmare_Café, Paris_enquêtes_criminelles, and Æon_Flux_(1991) directories, and it doesn't find them. I look, and they are there (though the terminal emulators have trouble with displaying them). |
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| 05:26.21 | acu | Ok, how do I go to cli from GDM login ? |
| 05:26.43 | themill | Ctrl+Alt+F1 |
| 05:27.10 | Lady_Aleena | Who do I contact if there is a dead link in a dpkg bot message? |
| 05:28.01 | themill | Lady_Aleena: I'll do |
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| 05:28.34 | acu | themill: I have an "old" jessie with 3.14.2 I think, I booted but I can't login, nor as user or root - I wanted to fix the other screwed grub :) |
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| 05:29.41 | Lady_Aleena | themill, here or PM? |
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| 05:41.34 | IantheJa1 | I am getting this message: GPG error: http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2. How can I fix this |
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| 05:43.04 | golinux | What's happened to the debian-user list? Nothing coming through and archives unavailable. Want to follow the systemd stuff . . . |
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| 05:43.45 | themill | Someone actually wants to follow systemd rants? |
| 05:43.52 | themill | golinux: that data centre is down atm |
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| 05:44.54 | themill | IantheJa1: Are you on a network that might be showing you a login screen or something similar? |
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| 05:45.32 | golinux | OK. I figured it must be getting pounded. Hopefully there will be some majors changes from all the ranting . . . |
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| 05:46.04 | themill | hopefully not. A collection of trolls and sockpuppets do not dictate technical directions. |
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| 05:47.56 | golinux | I gave up on gnome years ago. Don't want to have to give up on Debian too. I will not tolerate a monolithic Debian . Period. |
| 05:48.21 | themill | So speaks someone who has neither looked at nor tried the thing in question. |
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| 05:48.25 | themill | So... moving on, |
| 05:49.15 | golinux | Guard dog at the gate, huh? |
| 05:49.38 | themill | The rest of the world got bored of these discussions over a year ago. |
| 05:50.23 | IantheJa1 | themill: Yes, but my network has the MAC of the server, so it should work? |
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| 05:51.04 | golinux | Bully for you. That doesn't mean there still isn't a problem in the here and now . . . |
| 05:51.15 | themill | IantheJa1: apparently not? NODATA indicates that something that didn't even look like a gpg signed file was provided. |
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| 05:52.13 | themill | golinux: there's also no problem except the one that everyone seems to want to imagine is there. But this is not a channel for systemd ranting, this is a user support channel where we deal with specific user support questions. |
| 05:53.08 | golinux | OK. How do I get a systemd-free Jessie? |
| 05:53.26 | themill | You can't have followed the discussion very closely... |
| 05:54.03 | golinux | Don't get sarcasm, huh? |
| 05:54.14 | themill | eh? |
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| 05:54.49 | themill | If more people actually looked at the packages concerned and ranted less, they'd be able to install the sysvinit-core package themselves. |
| 05:54.54 | Simotek-Work | sarcasm is hard to pick on irc without the prolific use of simile faces :-P |
| 05:55.19 | themill | But none of this discussion is based in reality, it's all based on preconceived ideas or wild extrapolations. |
| 05:55.20 | golinux | I know it's not yet possible. Just wondering if you had a secret incantation that would take care of things. |
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| 05:55.47 | themill | It is perfectly possible... that's the entire problem with the discussion you are wanting to follow. It's completely disconnected from the facts. |
| 05:55.48 | Simotek-Work | from what i read golinux it is possible |
| 05:56.10 | Simotek-Work | you just need to pin the right packages before you upgrade |
| 05:56.27 | themill | you don't even need to do that |
| 05:56.34 | golinux | Yawn. Bedtime . . . |
| 05:56.53 | themill | yeah, it's sad when someone disproves your pet little point... |
| 05:57.15 | jelly-home | must be really hard to install sysvinit-core |
| 05:57.21 | themill | apparently so |
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| 06:44.32 | roflGuy | Hey all, there a way to have the find command notify on files/directories not found? thanks |
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| 06:45.42 | themill | MarvelDigital: some debian.org things are down at the moment |
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| 06:53.04 | maybefbi | can i use iproute2 to send all IP packets with the destination IP in USA through a VPN in USA (tun0), and all IP packets with the destination IP in UK through a VPN in UK (tun1) ? |
| 06:53.40 | maybefbi | of course i will add the iptables POSTROUTING MASQUERADE for tun0 and tun1 |
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| 06:55.04 | evilman_work | maybefbi: you should use mark packets with ipset match and mark match, and then route packets by this mark. |
| 06:56.50 | maybefbi | evilman_work, wow. i just knew about MANGLE table MARK |
| 06:57.44 | maybefbi | evilman_work, whats the advantage over using iproute2 rules? |
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| 06:58.36 | maybefbi | evilman_work, surely i can just set the american IP addresses to route via dev tun0 no? |
| 06:59.04 | evilman_work | maybefbi: yep, you can. |
| 07:00.02 | evilman_work | but this isn't what you want. |
| 07:00.57 | maybefbi | evilman_work, why not? |
| 07:01.03 | evilman_work | you need PBR (Policy Based Routing) to route by source and destination. basic routing uses only destination address as key. |
| 07:01.37 | evilman_work | ah.. stop. |
| 07:01.42 | maybefbi | ok |
| 07:01.53 | evilman_work | nevermind. i have misunderstood you :) |
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| 07:02.29 | maybefbi | evilman_work, so i can use either your method or my method? |
| 07:02.31 | evilman_work | yep. you can just add routes for usa and uk addresses. |
| 07:02.38 | maybefbi | evilman_work, ok cool |
| 07:03.17 | maybefbi | evilman_work, and adding POSTROUTING MASQUERADE for two devices tun0 and tun1 is ok? |
| 07:04.23 | evilman_work | yep, this is good idea. |
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| 07:04.58 | maybefbi | evilman_work, can i also flush the rules in iproute2 without having to restart the system? |
| 07:05.20 | maybefbi | evilman_work, i.e. im thinking of a script that will redo the routes occasionally |
| 07:05.48 | evilman_work | maybefbi: routes or rules? this are different things. |
| 07:06.17 | maybefbi | evilman_work, the basic routing routes. can i flush them like i flush rules from iptables firewall? |
| 07:06.37 | maybefbi | can i flush routes like i flush rules from iptables? |
| 07:07.08 | evilman_work | maybefbi: nope. flush like in the iptables isn't work. you can delete routes by command like 'ip route del dev tun0' |
| 07:07.20 | maybefbi | evilman_work, ok :( |
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| 07:07.48 | heurist | maybefbi: you can also try ip route flush |
| 07:08.04 | maybefbi | heurist, ok |
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| 07:08.14 | heurist | maybefbi: see man ip-route |
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| 07:08.43 | maybefbi | heurist, yeah found it! thanks |
| 07:09.32 | maybefbi | thanks a lot of this. heurist & evilman_work |
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| 07:20.02 | jesther | Anyone know how Ubuntu implements the non-root/user install while installing? Previous versions didn't have this feature. |
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| 07:20.37 | jesther | I'll try my friend, Google. |
| 07:20.48 | heurist | jesther: this is #debian, you lost (: |
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| 07:21.05 | themill | jesther: debian implements this by just locking the root account in /etc/passwd and adding the first added user to the "sudo" group. No idea how ubuntu does it. |
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| 07:22.45 | jesther | I'll see what I can get with the info. Thanks. |
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| 07:25.43 | Abhijit | is there anything wrong with my raid for two disks of 750gb http://paste.fedoraproject.org/143429/78657714/ |
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| 07:35.35 | jesther | And there is a difference. |
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| 07:43.54 | Guest73747 | Hi. How to find to which logical volume is mount point assigned? |
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| 07:45.50 | evilman_work | Guest28756: mount |
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| 07:47.50 | Guest73747 | evilman_work, thanks. |
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| 08:15.43 | colo-work | ah, is there a new release incoming? |
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| 08:16.11 | colo-work | indeed it is |
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| 08:38.44 | newbsduser | which tools do you advise for fetching io read- write test results? |
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| 08:40.29 | epsilon | simple test would be like, time dd if=... of=... bs=1M count=1k |
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| 08:41.21 | TheQuestionmark | Doesn't dd has verbose mode anyways? |
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| 08:42.26 | tux1970 | helo world |
| 08:42.34 | tux1970 | hello world |
| 08:43.10 | TheQuestionmark | echo 'hello tux1970' |
| 08:43.20 | epsilon | you can pipe and show dd progress if you need |
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| 09:06.56 | tat | anybody knows how to close the poodlebleed on a wheezy, the secutity anounces just states to update openssl packages |
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| 09:08.52 | gerforce | hi, i have a problem with grub2 on debian. Here is the situation: I have a dual system (win7 + Debian) on my laptop.(win7 on /dev/sda1, debian on /dev/sda6). I want to reinstall win7 cause it is too slow. Before reinstalling i have backed up MBR using command (sudo dd if=/dev/sda1 of=~/mbr.bak bs=512 count=1). After installation, i use a liveCD to boot the computer. Then i mounted my debian partiton /dev/sda6, recover MBR with command (sudo dd if=/mnt/ |
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| 09:10.47 | gerforce | i have searched the internet, read the grub2 manual for solution. But still can not figure out. can anybody help me with it? thanks in advance. |
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| 09:14.29 | Resilience | hello to everyone, I have a problem with fpc (http://pastebin.com/FLsCX3Nc) what can be wrong? |
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| 09:20.55 | phre4k_ | is there a way to see only changed config files and sync them with git? |
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| 09:21.28 | tsam | phre4k_: etckeeper. |
| 09:21.37 | phre4k_ | tsam: thanks |
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| 09:23.13 | phre4k_ | tsam: does etckeeper also check whether the files differ from standard configs? |
| 09:23.45 | themill | no, it just lets you see if (and how) you changed a config file. |
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| 09:23.46 | phre4k_ | and can I safely check out one PCs /etc/ and import it to the other when both are running debian? I think I have to change the host name at least |
| 09:24.05 | themill | !conffile check |
| 09:24.05 | dpkg | To obtain a list of <conffiles> that have changed, you can: dpkg-query --show -f'${Conffiles}' packagename | sed 's, /,\n/,g' | awk 'NF,OFS=" " {print $2, $1}' | md5sum --quiet -c |
| 09:24.12 | themill | Note that not all configuration files are conffiles. |
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| 09:25.09 | future28 | Hi there, my laptop has the nvidia/intel graphics. I disabled the nvidia card a long while ago as it drained battery. I am just wondering if there is some program I can use to switch between cards? |
| 09:25.23 | future28 | Something with a tray icon I could use to toggle or something like that |
| 09:25.56 | phre4k_ | can etckeeper also be used as configuration management tool where it checks out the files from a server? So I could edit the etc files on the git repo and all of the PCs get them? |
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| 09:26.10 | phre4k_ | future28: bbswitch / bumblebee |
| 09:26.51 | future28 | phre4k_: Cheers for that, I'll take a look |
| 09:26.54 | phre4k_ | future28: https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
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| 09:27.49 | tsam | phre4k_: as long as it's a standard git repo, you can configure remotes. |
| 09:28.09 | tsam | You have to do this manually though, afaik. It's not automated by etckeeper. |
| 09:28.28 | future28 | phre4k_: Looks like I will need backports, should be ok though |
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| 09:28.52 | phre4k_ | future28: using Debian 6? I thought 7 had bumblebee |
| 09:29.06 | phre4k_ | ah, no, it doesn't. Sry |
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| 09:35.31 | future28 | Not sure whether to go with -nvidia or not |
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| 09:46.33 | future28 | Er, it seems bad that libc-bin will be upgraded |
| 09:46.37 | future28 | Should I not go ahead? |
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| 09:57.25 | phre4k_ | can I game with Xen or KVM? |
| 09:58.02 | phre4k_ | I'd install a GPU in my Dell T20 (which one?) and let my girlfriend play games on one HD and the server serve files on the other HDs |
| 09:58.58 | Stummi | depends on your hardware |
| 09:59.06 | Stummi | and the games you want to play |
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| 10:01.02 | buIa | hello |
| 10:01.13 | buIa | i am a famous troll |
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| 10:01.37 | buIa | and i ll be canditate for TOP TROLL 2014 |
| 10:01.50 | phre4k_ | Stummi: Dell T20, GPU yet to be decided on, Sims 3/4 and Counter-Strike GO |
| 10:01.51 | buIa | I ask your supporr |
| 10:02.10 | buIa | remember my nick |
| 10:02.15 | buIa | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.19 | buIa | thanks:-) |
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| 10:02.28 | phre4k_ | what an idiot |
| 10:02.33 | yko | :D |
| 10:02.46 | future28 | Hope you're not talking about me :0 |
| 10:03.34 | Stummi | phre4k_, I am not sure how good GPU virtualizing in general is these days |
| 10:03.52 | phre4k_ | future28: nope, just some idiot who tried to troll and left. A really bad troll. |
| 10:04.17 | phre4k_ | Stummi: well, Xen Wiki says I can buy a R9 270X and it will work: http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_VGA_Passthrough_Tested_Adapters |
| 10:04.45 | future28 | phre4k_: Unforunate. That install worked well, but a couple of things - optirun firefox works but seems not better, how can I tell if it |
| 10:04.57 | future28 | is actually working? 2 - Can I get a tray icon for gnome 3? |
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| 10:06.38 | phre4k_ | future28: well, I wouldn't use the dedicated GPU for firefox |
| 10:06.57 | phre4k_ | if it runs, it works, if bumblebee couldn't find a GPU it'd throw an error |
| 10:07.23 | future28 | phre4k_: It was just an example. Not really sure what I should test on. Maybe I don't even need it, however, that's the good thing with the switch I guess, I need not worry |
| 10:08.02 | phre4k_ | future28: I don't have Gnome 3, but here seems to be an indicator applet: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/574/bumblebee-indicator/ |
| 10:08.29 | phre4k_ | future28: compare glxgears / optirun glxgears / primusrun glxgears |
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| 10:10.23 | future28 | phre4k_: Giving it a go now. The default behaviour is to use the primus card right> |
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| 10:11.19 | phre4k_ | future28: well bumblebee runs the nvidia card on demand on a second screen and redirects this to your current screen. |
| 10:11.41 | future28 | phre4k_: Notice no difference between fps on each card |
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| 10:12.04 | phre4k_ | future28: if you run a command without optirun/primusrun, it uses the internal GPU; with said wrappers it uses the dedicated (nvidia) one. |
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| 10:12.17 | future28 | ahk thanks |
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| 10:15.21 | future28 | Thanks for the help phre4k_, all seems well |
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| 10:18.53 | phre4k_ | future28: just found an optimus notebook here and I get ~61FPS with glxgears and ~480FPS with optirun glxgears |
| 10:19.10 | future28 | phre4k_: Okay then something is wrong haha |
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| 10:19.39 | phre4k_ | with primusrun I get ~58FPS, so your results may vary and/or be capped by VSync |
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| 10:20.37 | future28 | phre4k_: I get 60 fps for all |
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| 10:31.53 | phre4k_ | can you tell future28 that it's probably vsync? Have to reboot :D |
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| 10:35.11 | Iridos | dpkg, botmail |
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| 10:39.41 | tsam | I'm trying to set up the sound system on a laptop where it was previously working. I tried alsactl init + a reboot (among other things). |
| 10:40.11 | tsam | aplay (or mplayer or anything) complain about a missing file. According to strace, the missing file is /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p. Any idea what I should try next? |
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| 10:40.47 | tsam | http://paste.debian.net/127341/ <- several commands including the strace output. |
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| 10:45.33 | rob_ | hi, do init scripts in /etc/init/* get run if you dont manually install upstart? (debian wheezy) |
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| 10:58.09 | future28 | Hi again all, what's currently the best battery saving software for debian laptops? |
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| 10:58.46 | zagabar | hello! I am running wheezy on my server and I wanted a newer GCC version so I grabbed 5.0.0 sources and built them. then I did "make install" now I can build things fine, but when trying to run them, I get this: http://pastebin.com/sKJcVKN8 any ideas on how to fix that? |
| 10:58.50 | tsam | future28: the best I don't know. But powertop helps a lot. |
| 10:59.10 | future28 | tsam: Is powertop just for monitoring? Or can you use it to save power? |
| 10:59.40 | tsam | future28: you have a "tunables" tab. |
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| 11:01.13 | tsam | zagabar: I'd guess that you have a GCC version way more recent than libstdc++. You should probably build your software against a newer libstdc++ build. |
| 11:01.41 | zagabar | how do I do that in the best way? |
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| 11:02.29 | giada | ciao |
| 11:02.31 | giada | !list |
| 11:02.31 | dpkg | giada: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 11:03.15 | tsam | zagabar: I have no idea. I'd download and build it on a dev repository and export the right env variables or use symlinks. But that's probably not the best way to do it. |
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| 11:04.23 | zagabar | hmm i see |
| 11:04.35 | zagabar | thanks for the tip |
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| 11:10.37 | veek | help aid assist my FF is crashing https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/4d501c22-6574-4adc-8fea-f2a232141019 |
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| 11:10.54 | veek | woe is me! it works with strace rotten thing. what do i do |
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| 11:11.04 | otyugh_p | hey there. Any of you ever tried to build clementine ? |
| 11:11.24 | veek | i know that i was messing with sound and kernel-updates when this happened so.. |
| 11:11.43 | veek | and libc and asound seem to figure in the bug report |
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| 11:18.24 | phre4k | future28: hey, how's bumblebee going? |
| 11:18.36 | phre4k | future28: I think your FPS may be capped by vsync |
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| 11:18.54 | future28 | phre4k: I think you could be right, I have been doing some othet things for the time being |
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| 11:20.09 | phre4k | future28: be sure to install steam and play Team Fortress 2 ;) |
| 11:20.50 | future28 | phre4k: What'd you say your fps was? |
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| 11:21.07 | phre4k | ~460-480 with a GeForce GT750M |
| 11:21.23 | future28 | I'm getting: 8141 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1628.085 FPS |
| 11:21.25 | phre4k | and 60 with the internal one, which I believe to be VSync'd |
| 11:21.27 | future28 | Seems wrong haha |
| 11:21.31 | phre4k | woah, not bad |
| 11:21.35 | phre4k | which card? |
| 11:21.54 | future28 | that was doing: vblank_mode=0 optirun glxgears |
| 11:22.04 | mp4 | any idea when irssi 0.8.17 will be in backports of wheezy? |
| 11:22.21 | future28 | vblank_mode=0 glxgears is giving ~4200 FPS, haha that can't be correct |
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| 11:25.55 | cloudowind | whats the purpose of /proc/self? |
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| 11:26.10 | cloudowind | is it something like this-> |
| 11:26.45 | cloudowind | am i alive?did i survive |
| 11:27.30 | future28 | phre4k: gt540 M |
| 11:28.06 | brokencycle | Hi! Is wiki.d.o down? |
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| 11:29.25 | brokencycle | I cannot ping it, and neither HTTP nor HTTPS connections succeed |
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| 11:29.36 | Tumulte | hello ! |
| 11:30.05 | Tumulte | Every single day, eventually upowerd will eat 99% of my 16Gb memory |
| 11:30.10 | Tumulte | what the hell is that ? |
| 11:30.26 | themill | brokencycle: yes. Power outage at that data centre and things are slowly coming back up |
| 11:30.51 | brokencycle | themill: Ugh. Thank you for the update! |
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| 11:31.00 | future28 | Tumulte: It's arch but try here https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1422084 |
| 11:31.20 | Tumulte | I swear I'm using debian :p |
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| 11:31.31 | future28 | Tumulte: It's the same issue however :p |
| 11:31.51 | Tumulte | future28: ahhh the FORUM is arch, not the problem ! |
| 11:31.57 | Tumulte | I misunderstood |
| 11:32.09 | future28 | Tumulte: Haha sorry, my bad |
| 11:32.24 | Tumulte | no no MY bad |
| 11:32.47 | Tumulte | Or as the grey guy would say "who's bad ?" |
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| 11:34.32 | Tumulte | Whole thing started happening recently since the kb/mouse batteries went to <5% |
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| 11:34.48 | Tumulte | holly shit oO. My keyboard and mouse are doing this |
| 11:34.50 | Tumulte | it's insane |
| 11:35.03 | Tumulte | wirelessly draining my memory |
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| 11:35.17 | Tumulte | (I know the flawed driver did, but it's funnier this way) |
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| 11:36.31 | vinicios | maybe it be old history for all of you |
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| 11:37.02 | vinicios | but what bout the GR about init system? |
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| 11:38.09 | vinicios | so it is https://www.debian.org/vote/2014/vote_003 |
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| 11:48.47 | tytan | Am I invisible? ^^; |
| 11:49.03 | future28 | tytan: >tytan [~tytan@p4FEA9522.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] |
| 11:50.13 | tytan | future28: Thank you. Now I know the channels #FreeBSD, #GhostBSD and #PCBSD are just not active :) |
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| 11:50.50 | future28 | tytan: Not a problem! |
| 11:51.08 | future28 | Thanks for the help phre4k, I've gotta head to the airport |
| 11:51.12 | future28 | Cheers everyone. |
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| 11:53.12 | tytan | The problem is that I tried to install GhostBSD 4 and theres a problem with the live USB image. I know this is a Debian related channel. As an excuse I have to say this host is a Debian 7.7. But maybe someone knows how to deal with my problem ^^ |
| 11:53.17 | otyugh_p | Why icecat isn't part of debian repository ? |
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| 11:57.16 | tytan | sorry. my connection broke |
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| 11:58.45 | jelly | otyugh_p: noone packaged it, most likely |
| 11:59.15 | themill | !icecat |
| 11:59.16 | dpkg | GNU IceCat is a web browser distributed by the GNU Project, formerly known as GNU IceWeasel (not to be confused with Debian's <Iceweasel>). It is a fork of Mozilla Firefox made entirely of free software, without distributing or recommending non-free software as plug-ins or addons. Not packaged for Debian, RFP in bug #637348. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ #icecat on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:59.58 | tytan | Why don't you use Iceweasel instead? :) |
| 12:00.16 | jelly | cat > weasel? |
| 12:00.22 | Iridos | dpkg, dbugs 637348 |
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| 12:00.26 | dpkg | #637348:W[wnpp] RFP: icecat -- GNU version of the Firefox browser (); Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:15:01 UTC [] |
| 12:00.39 | tytan | jelly, Ok, what makes it better? |
| 12:01.28 | jelly | tytan: there was an implied :-) at the end, you didn't see it |
| 12:01.34 | otyugh_p | I think he was being sacrastic :) |
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| 12:03.04 | otyugh_p | there is basically no difference between theses two. Icecat just drivein a few "privacy" plugins and stripp off google from default search engines. It does not make it any better, but I prefer to support Icecat using it. |
| 12:03.34 | otyugh_p | Well I just compiled it by myself, but it was quite long to suceed :p |
| 12:03.40 | tytan | It's just that I don't see a difference between Icecat and Iceweasel from the discription but the fact that Iceweasel is a Mozilla fork made by the Debian developers ^^' |
| 12:03.59 | jelly | tytan: it's not really a fork. More a, well, distribution. |
| 12:04.17 | otyugh_p | FSF isn't a distribution :O |
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| 12:04.30 | jelly | otyugh_p: Iceweasel. |
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| 12:06.48 | tytan | Is there a reason for using Icecat over Chromium? |
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| 12:08.24 | themill | Try them all and use the one you like |
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| 12:08.29 | ChrisH | I get this from time-to-time from/on a wheezy isc-dhcp-server dhcpd: unexpected ICMP Echo Reply from 127.0.0.1 Something to worry about? |
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| 12:13.45 | tytan | ChrisH, I'm not a professional but it looks Okay to me. |
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| 12:17.02 | Abhijit | anyone preseed expert here? |
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| 12:17.29 | brokency1le | Why can't squeeze packages be authenticated anymore since a few days, despite having squeeze-lts configured? |
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| 12:17.53 | jelly | !tell brokency1le about bat |
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| 12:18.17 | themill | brokency1le: showing us the entire output of "apt-get update" would be a good start |
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| 12:18.33 | otyugh_p | chromium = support google direct project over mozilla (which main funds are from google...). |
| 12:19.10 | otyugh_p | but thats politic sensibility, nothing else >.> |
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| 12:19.39 | jelly | brokency1le: I've just installed rsyslog (4.6.4-2+deb6u1) squeeze-lts for amd64; since it Works For Me, you'll have to be a bit more specific |
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| 12:20.39 | brokency1le | jelly: thanks for the pointers. I'm collecting the evidence. |
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| 12:21.40 | Dreamix | lol? |
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| 12:23.19 | jalalsfs | I add my username to libvirtd group and the problem with virt-manager is still there. http://paste.debian.net/127706/ |
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| 12:25.24 | jelly | jalalsfs: did you log off and back on? |
| 12:25.41 | jalalsfs | Yes, |
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| 12:26.02 | jalalsfs | jelly, libvirtd:x:1002:jalal |
| 12:26.15 | themill | jalalsfs: what's the output of "id"? |
| 12:26.54 | themill | And isn't the group "libvirt" not "libvirtd"? |
| 12:27.16 | brokency1le | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/127712/ |
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| 12:28.05 | Abhijit | how can i join #debian-boot |
| 12:28.20 | Abhijit | I need to discuss about preseed. |
| 12:28.34 | themill | Abhijit: that channel is on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:28.42 | Abhijit | great. thanks. |
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| 12:30.16 | jelly | brokency1le: it's possible the particular mirror http.debian.net is confused, or there's a proxy somewhere in between |
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| 12:31.29 | jelly | brokency1le: does it happen if you "rm /var/lib/apt/lists/http.*", then redo the update and upgrade attempt? |
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| 12:33.29 | brokency1le | jelly: yes, it happens just the same way |
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| 12:33.49 | jelly | !which hdn |
| 12:33.50 | dpkg | To see which mirror you are being sent to by the <http.debian.net> redirector, substitute the appropriate release and architecture into the following: «wget -O/dev/null --max-redirect=0 http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 2>&1 | grep Location». You can also look for the Release file or individual .debs if you want. |
| 12:34.37 | edoardo | cool |
| 12:35.12 | brokency1le | Location: http://debian.morphium.info/debian/dists/squeeze-lts/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 |
| 12:35.42 | brokency1le | I tend to download packages via apticron |
| 12:35.55 | brokency1le | then look at which packages I actually want to install |
| 12:37.16 | brokency1le | I just checked, and I did not change the apt configuration in months. |
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| 12:41.32 | jelly | brokency1le: a bit weird, I just successfully downloaded Get:1 http://debian.morphium.info/debian/ squeeze-lts/main bash amd64 4.1-3+deb6u2 [1328 kB] from there |
| 12:41.45 | jelly | without gpg issues |
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| 12:43.16 | jelly | brokency1le: does debian.morphium.info resolve to 176.9.118.17 for you? |
| 12:45.51 | maybefbi | i can't change the default route from inside /etc/network/interfaces. |
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| 13:00.44 | Mathisen | nevermind got it working |
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| 13:05.55 | brokency1le | jelly: yes |
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| 13:07.57 | jelly | brokency1le: no idea what's going on there, then. Perhaps your ISP is doing transparent proxying. |
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| 13:11.15 | metallic | have just connected to a FTP public server without his web browser :D |
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| 13:11.36 | metallic | network manage skills level up |
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| 13:12.55 | brokency1le | jelly: thank you - I would really like to discover such a situation. |
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| 13:13.09 | brokency1le | then nail him |
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| 13:17.49 | Wes- | discovering a transparent proxy is relatively easy if it's global - FTP in somewhere and see what IP number the other end sees |
| 13:18.11 | Wes- | well, assuming it's not a super-clever MITM proxy |
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| 13:33.35 | jelly | Wes-: http in. :-) |
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| 13:34.36 | jelly | Wes-: if I were writing a proxy sitting at an ISP, it would fake source addresses properly :-) |
| 13:36.13 | Wes- | jelly: most ISPs (IME) don't. They'll do something like a target address re-write to their local squid server |
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| 13:36.46 | Wes- | of course, that's for non-nefarious proxying |
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| 13:43.27 | jalalsfs | jelly, Sorry the internet connection cut, |
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| 13:45.47 | jelly | jalalsfs: did you see <themill> jalalsfs: what's the output of "id"? <themill> And isn't the group "libvirt" not "libvirtd"? |
| 13:46.40 | cwillu_at_work | I'm not on debian, but I suspect this bug exists there too; any extlinux/syslinux users around? does grep sort /usr/sbin/extlinux-update show a simple "| sort -nr |" section? |
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| 13:47.46 | jalalsfs | jelly, I don't know that is themill, |
| 13:48.03 | cwillu_at_work | (it mis-sorts kernels, such that it'll put vmlinuz-3.9.0 before vmlinuz-3.10.0) |
| 13:48.04 | jalalsfs | My id is 1000, and libvirtd is 1002 |
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| 13:50.12 | jelly | cwillu_at_work: that was fixed a while ago |
| 13:50.22 | jelly | cwillu_at_work: _VERSIONS="$(cd /boot && ls vmlinuz-* | grep -v .dpkg-tmp | sed -e 's|vmlinuz-||g' | sort -Vr)" |
| 13:50.55 | jelly | cwillu_at_work: insert bashing of your own distro here. |
| 13:51.06 | petn-randall | cwillu_at_work: We only support Debian in here, no derivatives, for a number of social and technical reasons. Come back if you can reproduce it on Debian. |
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| 13:51.11 | cwillu_at_work | nah, I'm running a pretty old version of ${DISTRO} anyway :p |
| 13:51.39 | cwillu_at_work | petn-randall, easy now, I wasn't asking for support, I was asking if you had a bug so it could be fixed there if you did |
| 13:52.45 | cwillu_at_work | jelly, thanks for the (non-judgemental *glares at petn-randall*) reply :) |
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| 13:54.01 | cwillu_at_work | only explanation I have for missing -V in the sort man page is that I just assume anything -V is either --verbose or --version number of thing rather than anything useful :p |
| 13:54.03 | cwillu_at_work | thanks |
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| 14:04.37 | aryklein | does anybody has work with multipath? |
| 14:05.08 | aryklein | I wanna move my root filesystem to a multipath device |
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| 14:06.36 | rgr | cwillu_at_work: often better not to mention if its not "real Debian". In my experience more than 90% and higher of the issues asked here are solveable with a "pure debian" answer. Ditto for testing. Forget that "we" nonsense. Someone can always help. |
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| 14:07.34 | cwillu_at_work | rgr, also beside the point, given that this is a downstream developer trying to check if an upstream has a bug that the downstream developer just fixed |
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| 14:08.14 | cwillu_at_work | it's not exactly conducive to wanting to contribute :p |
| 14:08.35 | cwillu_at_work | then again, it _is_ monday morning, some grumpiness is to be expected :p |
| 14:08.36 | petn-randall | rgr: Yeah, and for the remaining 10% I find out you lied about your distro and I spent two hours debugging an issue that isn't reproducible in Debian, you get a free entry on the ignore list of most people in the channel. |
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| 14:09.03 | cwillu_at_work | indeed |
| 14:09.20 | cwillu_at_work | petn-randall, you see how it's frustrating from a developer perspective that you jumped to that though? |
| 14:09.45 | cwillu_at_work | "yes, I know, that's quite specifically why I'm asking here" |
| 14:09.51 | petn-randall | cwillu_at_work: Jumped to what? |
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| 14:10.02 | cwillu_at_work | petn-randall, "we only support debian here" |
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| 14:10.17 | petn-randall | cwillu_at_work: Well, that's the case. |
| 14:10.23 | cwillu_at_work | 'great! do you have this bug? if so, what's the bug reporting process so you can have it fixed too!' |
| 14:10.39 | cwillu_at_work | petn-randall, and I was asking so that debian could be fixed if it wasn't already |
| 14:10.49 | cwillu_at_work | which it was, so everything turned out ok |
| 14:11.48 | petn-randall | cwillu_at_work: It's impossible to figure out the difference between Debian and its bazillion derivatives, and don't expect *us* to do that work. It's the job of your distro to figure it out. Also see: |
| 14:11.54 | unclezipper | I'm bad about that... I use Crunchbang but I forget it's not Debian most of the time. |
| 14:11.55 | petn-randall | !tell cwillu_at_work -about not debian |
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| 14:14.24 | cwillu_at_work | petn-randall, I wasn't asking you to do that work; I did the legwork to get a one-line command that would check if the problem existed, which a user to which it applied to checked, and confirmed it didn't, at which point I said thanks, and that interaction was complete |
| 14:15.21 | jargon | anybody know how to configure active directory with pam and kerberos? i can kinit on the server, but cannot ssh to it with an existing AD account. auth.log says http://dpaste.com/36FVM6A |
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| 14:16.33 | cwillu_at_work | jargon, https://fuhm.net/linux-and-active-directory/ may be useful to you |
| 14:17.45 | petn-randall | cwillu_at_work: Ok then, that wasn't quite clear from your initial question. |
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| 14:18.24 | cwillu_at_work | sorry, I didn't really emphasis the "I have a bug report and a patch" aspect |
| 14:18.42 | cwillu_at_work | hugs petn-randall, and parts ways amicably |
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| 14:30.29 | Walex | jargon: "wrong password". Also kerberos issues are always much more easily solvable with logs from the KDC, in this case the MS-AS server |
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| 14:44.27 | jelly | cwillu_at_work: BTW, for the next release, extlinux won't be a viable generic boot loader at all -- it seems noone is maintaining the package and it's rather broken, I had to replace it with grub-pc a month ago on my home testing installation |
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| 14:44.59 | cwillu_at_work | jelly, in what way? |
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| 14:45.55 | cwillu_at_work | granted, I'm doing some fairly specific things with it generally, but I've also got some irreconcilable architectural differences with grub2 |
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| 14:46.02 | jelly | cwillu_at_work: missing modules, weird interaction with syslinux packages, bits plugging into kernel package installation were just broken |
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| 14:46.54 | welpme | is apt-cacher-ng 0.5 (squeeze) able to handle/cache newer repos like wheezy? everything seems to work but the squeeze-lts repository does not |
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| 14:48.05 | cwillu_at_work | jelly, are there bug reports in the debian tracker? or just borkenness you've noticed? |
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| 14:48.54 | cwillu_at_work | aside from that, I'd think it'd still be worth including even if it was a do-it-yourself thing |
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| 14:49.01 | cwillu_at_work | far fewer moving parts than grub2 |
| 14:49.32 | jelly | cwillu_at_work: http://bugs.debian.org/extlinux |
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| 14:50.03 | jelly | apparently some of the long-standing bugs have been fixed since I removed it, so who knows |
| 14:50.53 | jelly | oh. er. maintainer closed bugs without fixing. |
| 14:50.54 | cwillu_at_work | looks |
| 14:51.45 | cwillu_at_work | I know there was an "extlinux as top-level project" to "sub-project of syslinux" a while ago, looks like some of that is remaining fallout from that |
| 14:51.45 | jelly | well, closed them in the upload to experimental, and explicitely revoked support for boot loader integration |
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| 14:53.39 | jelly | while I agree having a single viable boot loader is problematic, I don't have time to investigate and fix things and I'll migrate off my whole-disk-md-array setup that only works with extlinux on wheezy |
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| 14:55.05 | cwillu_at_work | sets a reminder to look into patches next week |
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| 14:58.20 | thingfish | wow, what a surprise! Firefox 31.2.0 now part of stable. |
| 14:58.36 | jelly | !win thingfish |
| 14:58.36 | dpkg | Congratulations, thingfish! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 14:58.42 | thingfish | lol |
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| 15:04.03 | thingfish | and sorry I meant Iceweasel |
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| 15:06.16 | veek | any idea how stack frames are ordered/numbered.. 0 is the parent and 1 is the child subroutine? |
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| 15:07.14 | petn-randall | ,v iceweasel |
| 15:07.15 | d3lphi | hi all. What is better to use? "ssh-keygen -t dsa" or "ssh-keygen -t rsa" ? |
| 15:07.15 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; jessie: 31.1.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 31.2.0esr-2~deb7u1; sid: 31.2.0esr-2; experimental: 33.0-2 |
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| 15:07.40 | petn-randall | thingfish: See above, maybe you got the debian mozilla repo included? |
| 15:07.42 | Ussat | http://debianfork.org/ |
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| 15:07.59 | Ussat | special |
| 15:08.02 | thingfish | petn-randall: nope, just vanilla sources.list with contrib and non-free |
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| 15:08.58 | lcstyle | I support debianfork.org < -- that is all. |
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| 15:09.49 | jelly | lcstyle: hope to see your code soon. |
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| 15:11.37 | petn-randall | Ussat: And not a single name under it. And his/her excuse to not contribute is also quite pathetic. |
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| 15:14.43 | cwillu_at_work | jelly, I take it you're getting a lot of that around here? |
| 15:14.57 | cwillu_at_work | drive-by grumpying without any actual effort? |
| 15:15.14 | jelly | cwillu_at_work: some people pick any excuse to be a smartass, yes |
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| 15:15.29 | vinicios | fim da varzea |
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| 15:16.33 | petn-randall | cwillu_at_work: Yes, sometimes we also have misogynic bashing, too, for some unexplainable reason. |
| 15:16.42 | cwillu_at_work | heh |
| 15:17.00 | cwillu_at_work | if it makes you feel better, it's even worse in moba games :p |
| 15:17.06 | cwillu_at_work | (remarkable how similar it is though) |
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| 15:18.58 | jelly | let's leave this channel for tech support, anyone willing to subject themselves to rants can join #debian-offtopic |
| 15:19.01 | socomm | jelly: Its a troll. |
| 15:19.04 | petn-randall | Apparently people make connections between feminists and systemd. Still waiting for the holocaust deniers to chip in. I guess it'll happen when a new batch of tinfoil hats ship. |
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| 15:19.41 | socomm | petn-randall: You're not in on the joke. Just ignore the kids. |
| 15:19.42 | petn-randall | Yeah, let's carry this over to #debian-offtopic if needed. |
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| 15:20.09 | beepie | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.09 | beepie | dh_testdir |
| 15:20.09 | beepie | sh: 1: dh_testdir: not found |
| 15:20.15 | beepie | >:( |
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| 15:20.28 | socomm | beepie: 'mkdir dh_testdir' |
| 15:20.36 | socomm | >:^D |
| 15:21.04 | jelly | beepie: is debhelper installed? |
| 15:21.24 | tytan | !debhelper |
| 15:21.24 | dpkg | i heard debhelper is a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building Debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot |
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| 15:24.04 | jorginator | beepie: As jelly mentioned: you need debhelper. Chances are that you need other packages as well - examine debian/rules and look at "Build-Depends:" |
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| 15:27.20 | tytan | I "installed" "youtube-dl" manually. "apt-get dist-upgrade" won't update it, will it? |
| 15:27.33 | CissWit | it won't indeed |
| 15:28.03 | jelly | tytan: what you mean by manually? |
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| 15:28.25 | nido | I am guessing without the aid of a debian package for it |
| 15:28.43 | jelly | does not like to guess |
| 15:28.58 | tytan | Do you know how to install it from the software sources? By manually I mean downloading it from the official website and cpying it in my file system :D |
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| 15:29.42 | jelly | tytan: downloading what, exactly? a .deb file? |
| 15:29.55 | jelly | an executable? URL |
| 15:30.01 | jelly | ? |
| 15:30.04 | socomm | tytan: Anything you install indipendent of apt will not be upgraded by apt. |
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| 15:30.31 | jelly | socomm: that's not strictly true. A deb installed will be replaced by a newer version available from apt. |
| 15:30.38 | tytan | sudo wget http://youtube-dl.org/downloads/2013.05.23/youtube-dl -O /usr/bin/youtube-dl |
| 15:30.44 | socomm | jelly: ^ |
| 15:30.46 | tytan | sudo chmod a+x /usr/bin/youtube-dl |
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| 15:30.54 | petn-randall | shreeks in horror. |
| 15:30.54 | tytan | sudo youtube-dl -U |
| 15:31.08 | tytan | that's what I did ^^ |
| 15:31.24 | socomm | tytan: It won't be updated/upgraded by apt. |
| 15:31.37 | tytan | I couldn't find it in the repositorys :/ |
| 15:31.45 | jorginator | does not endorse installing non-package binaries in /usr/bin .... |
| 15:31.51 | socomm | tytan: I'm not sure if there are any repos that provide this program. |
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| 15:32.04 | jelly | tytan: alright. It won't get upgraded by apt. It _will_ be overwritten if you installed a packaged version, though. You should put non-packaged exectuables into /usr/local/bin instead of /usr/bin |
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| 15:32.10 | jelly | ,v youtube-dl |
| 15:32.11 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 2014.08.05-1; sid: 2014.08.05-1 |
| 15:32.19 | tytan | I installed it under FreeBSD, OS X and Ubuntu from the repositorys |
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| 15:32.30 | socomm | tytan: See judds reply |
| 15:32.34 | ChrisH | tytan: than its your duty to keep it current... why not installing it from debuian repos? |
| 15:33.05 | tytan | ChrisH: couldn't find it there |
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| 15:33.31 | tytan | jelly: thx for the tip :) |
| 15:33.39 | tytan | *hint |
| 15:33.47 | jelly | ChrisH: there is no build for debian 7 |
| 15:33.59 | jelly | judd: checkbackport youtube-dl |
| 15:34.00 | judd | Backporting package youtube-dl in sidâwheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 15:34.05 | tytan | but for 6 and 8 as I understood |
| 15:34.11 | jelly | right |
| 15:34.42 | jelly | tytan: you might be lucky and able to _build_ a package if you wanted to, read "/msg dpkg ssb" for a recipe |
| 15:34.54 | Matoking | Hey, if I have a Linux computer connected to two wireless access points called A and B, and there is a network printer connected to the wireless network A, is it possible to share the printer with users connected to the wireless network B? |
| 15:35.06 | beepie | i'm new to this, and yes i checked debhelper was supposed to have been installed so i added it thanks but I'm getting this-> debian/rules.real:106: recipe for target 'debian/stamps/source' failed |
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| 15:35.24 | Wes- | Matoking: yes |
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| 15:36.11 | ChrisH | jelly,tytan I checked it on my stable before... its in backports. |
| 15:36.12 | tytan | Matoking: A normal printer-share shoulddo the job :) |
| 15:36.43 | Matoking | tytan: Well, it's nice to hear I won't have to over-engineer things :) |
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| 15:36.51 | jelly | ChrisH: apparently judd doesn't think so |
| 15:36.59 | tytan | So in Debian 7.7 I should just enable backports an I'm fine? |
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| 15:37.25 | ChrisH | How to find out I installed youtube-dl from backports? apt-cache policy and apt-cache show did not pointed me to backports |
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| 15:38.00 | jelly | ChrisH: /msg dpkg which repo, /msg dpkg not available |
| 15:38.11 | jorginator | ChrisH: You may get clues from /var/log/dpkg.log - at least this will tell you *when* you installed it. |
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| 15:38.29 | jelly | ChrisH: safe to say, if the version number does not contain bpo, it was not from backports |
| 15:38.30 | beepie | i can see youtube-dl here on jessie testing main |
| 15:38.32 | Matoking | I also have an another issue. I installed network-manager on an ARM board running Debian, but it apparently also installed systemd, overriding the default init process. The system no longer boots to a terminal but I have access to the root filesystem. Can I remove or disable systemd somehow? |
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| 15:39.45 | tytan | where was the sources.list again? ^^; |
| 15:39.54 | beepie | /etc/apt |
| 15:39.56 | beepie | ! XD |
| 15:39.59 | dpkg | xD is a one-eyed, stoned, shit-eating grin, or a really unfunny smiley face like :) but worse. |
| 15:39.59 | tytan | thx |
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| 15:40.16 | ChrisH | shame on me... it was in DMM which I removed in between |
| 15:40.58 | beepie | jelly, i think it's almost working are you good with quilt? |
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| 15:41.17 | tytan | afk |
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| 15:41.37 | jelly | beepie: not really, ask me how many source packages I've done from scratch... (it's less than one) |
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| 15:42.04 | tytan | wheezy-backports or jessy-backports? |
| 15:42.25 | anddam | hello, I installed package phpmyadmin on Wheezy with only lighttpd installed, now I installed apache2 and while I see a prebuilt site config for lighttpd I don't see one for apache |
| 15:42.28 | jelly | tytan: are you using wheezy or jessie? |
| 15:42.46 | anddam | did APT install the lighttpd phpmyadmin conf? shouldn't the install of apache have triggered the reconfigure of phpmyadmin? |
| 15:42.49 | beepie | not sure why 'make -f debian/rules source' is not progressing pass a simple point, basically it's a debian patch/package set against a linux source tree, I know it's just one or two things I'm missing so that I can generate a kernel source package |
| 15:42.57 | tytan | wheezx, I guess. It's Crunchbang Linux 11 |
| 15:43.08 | jelly | !crunchbang |
| 15:43.09 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 15:43.19 | jelly | tytan: ^^ the right place to ask |
| 15:44.13 | tytan | lsb_release -a told me it's Debian 7.7. So it's Wheezy |
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| 15:44.23 | anddam | I mean I think APT installed the script since I have no recollection of writing that config and it's written in my style anyway |
| 15:44.23 | Matoking | Did I miss anything? I was offline for a second |
| 15:44.38 | anddam | but a check with dpkg -S returned 'dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/lighttpd/conf-available/50-phpmyadmin.conf |
| 15:45.16 | anddam | so it didn't come with either phpmyadmin or lighttpd package |
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| 15:46.10 | crayon | i cant mount my linux sdcard partition in mac but i need the contents of one of the files. any way to explore an unmountable partition? |
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| 15:46.37 | tytan | so under wheezy I have to use wheezy-backports? or are these for the squeeze users? |
| 15:47.02 | jelly | tytan: yes, wheezy-backports for wheezy users. |
| 15:47.23 | freebird2 | you guys, I've a debian, router/firewall with bind, dhcp server and squid, I've noticed, that everytime nmap this machine, I see a port, that shows as unknown, and everytime I reboot this machine, this port changes, does that make any sence ? help please ?? |
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| 15:47.43 | jalalsfs | When I run reportbut it says 'Attempt to unlock mutex that was not locked Aborted' |
| 15:47.52 | jalalsfs | What is the problem? |
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| 15:48.16 | petn-randall | freebird2: Can you paste the actual output of nmap to http://paste.debian.net and point out which port you mean? |
| 15:48.19 | jelly | freebird2: as root, run something like netstat -tupan | grep :that-port |
| 15:48.30 | Quantum` | I have an app that is refusing to compile. I can not remember the name of the app that you can run a compile with to see all the gory details. |
| 15:48.40 | Quantum` | Starts with an 's'. |
| 15:48.49 | Quantum` | strace... |
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| 15:49.20 | freebird2 | petn-randall, this server Is in an only text mode, I'll run this commmand, 1 min |
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| 15:49.41 | freebird2 | petn-randall, like I said, the port changes every reboot |
| 15:49.48 | petn-randall | !tell freebird2 -about pastebinit |
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| 15:50.02 | freebird2 | now, its 42079 petn-randall |
| 15:50.14 | anddam | nvm, found in phpmyadmin package |
| 15:50.17 | freebird2 | 42079/tcp open unknown petn-randall |
| 15:50.23 | anddam | and it's reasonable, also |
| 15:50.29 | petn-randall | waits for the complete output. |
| 15:50.50 | freebird2 | jelly, rpc.statd |
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| 15:51.12 | jelly | freebird2: is nfs-common installed? |
| 15:51.17 | freebird2 | yeah |
| 15:51.21 | freebird2 | can I remove that ? |
| 15:51.55 | jelly | freebird2: if you don't need nfs (either client or server), sure |
| 15:52.05 | freebird2 | h |
| 15:52.07 | tytan | Couldn't find anything using "sudo apt-get -t wheezy-backports install youtube-dl" :( |
| 15:52.16 | freebird2 | jelly, it's only a roiuter, firewall, |
| 15:52.24 | jelly | tytan: there is no ready backport. |
| 15:53.04 | freebird2 | done, tks a lot jelly petn-randall |
| 15:53.21 | tytan | ok... is it easy to have a newer kernel installed via backports? |
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| 15:53.36 | petn-randall | tytan: Still the wrong channel, please ask in #crunchbang. |
| 15:53.40 | jelly | freebird2: if it's a firewall, consider closing all the ports you don't explicitely provide public services for |
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| 15:54.04 | freebird2 | jelly, tks, what about 111 rpcbind ??? |
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| 15:54.13 | freebird2 | anything to do with the bind I'm using ?? |
| 15:54.42 | jelly | freebird2: no, it's SunRPC. Used by nfs too, and some other stuff. |
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| 15:54.57 | tytan | petn-randall: Well... It's Debian 7.7 with one additional package source and another GUI. I'm not that wrong here I guess |
| 15:55.13 | jelly | freebird2: you could try removing it with --dry-run and see whether it would pull anything you actually need |
| 15:55.18 | petn-randall | !tell tytan -about based on |
| 15:55.23 | petn-randall | !tell tytan -about crunchbang |
| 15:55.48 | freebird2 | jelly, sunrpc is not installed man |
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| 15:56.06 | jelly | freebird2: the package is called "rpcbind" as well |
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| 15:56.42 | jelly | freebird2: or "portmapper" if you installed an older debian |
| 15:56.51 | freebird2 | tks a lot, |
| 15:56.53 | jelly | sorry, portmap |
| 15:59.04 | tytan | petn-randall: Ok, I get your point. Sorry |
| 15:59.20 | ChrisH | freebird2: why not using lsof -i tcp:$PORT to find the process behind the port and decide then |
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| 16:02.22 | freebird2 | ChrisH |
| 16:02.23 | freebird2 | tks |
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| 16:09.07 | tytan | When I install the "latest" Kernel from backports in wheezy, will aptitude keep it uptodate? |
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| 16:09.58 | petn-randall | ,v linux-image |
| 16:10.00 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in i386. |
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| 16:10.30 | petn-randall | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 16:10.32 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+61~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+61; sid: 3.16+61 |
| 16:10.47 | petn-randall | tytan: yes |
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| 16:11.41 | tytan | petn-randall: Nice :D I just installed 3.16-0.bpo.2-amd64. It's way snappier now |
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| 16:12.48 | tytan | Where can I get the information when the 3.17 image will be available via backports? |
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| 16:13.49 | Walex | tytan: only Platinum Account Debian Customers get advance information on product release schedules :-) |
| 16:14.57 | tytan | Walex: I assume you're kidding me ^^' |
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| 16:15.26 | jelly | !wir |
| 16:15.27 | dpkg | wir is probably When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
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| 16:15.50 | petn-randall | tytan: When 3.17 reaches jessie, and someone from the backports team feels like doing the job. |
| 16:15.52 | rgr | tytan: what's snappier? Didnt see any difference here. |
| 16:15.59 | learning | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.09 | jelly | tytan: read the FAQ at http://backports.debian.org/ |
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| 16:16.12 | petn-randall | ,v stunnel |
| 16:16.13 | judd | Package: stunnel on i386 -- squeeze: 3:4.29-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 3:4.29-1+squeeze1 |
| 16:16.14 | rgr | (mind you my linux machine is now a beast as opposed to a flytipping piece I normally use ;)) |
| 16:16.31 | jhutchins | tytan: Newer kernels don't always work better. There's a strong track record for them being slower and inducing new problems. |
| 16:16.39 | rgr | +1 |
| 16:16.41 | jelly | petn-randall: it's "stunnel4" |
| 16:16.44 | tytan | rgr: the graphics on my i5 3rd gen |
| 16:16.44 | petn-randall | ,v stunnel4 |
| 16:16.46 | judd | Package: stunnel4 on i386 -- squeeze: 3:4.29-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 3:4.29-1+squeeze1; wheezy: 3:4.53-1.1; jessie: 3:5.03-1; sid: 3:5.06-1 |
| 16:16.55 | rgr | tytan: what in particular? |
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| 16:17.23 | petn-randall | learning: Are you trying to backport it, or compiling from vanilla source? |
| 16:17.24 | rgr | the drivers are no big change from what I've seen. |
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| 16:17.55 | learning | petn-randall: compiling from source |
| 16:18.00 | tytan | rgr: less lag and better video performance. idk. perhaps it was something different I didn't notice while upgrading ^^ |
| 16:18.09 | jelly | tytan, petn-randall: also, 3.17 probably won't reach jessie, I _think_ I remember kernel team decided on 3.16 |
| 16:19.20 | tytan | jelly: thank you. Will it be possible to use the backports of debian 9 in debian 7? If that's even possible that way |
| 16:19.30 | Quantum` | Anyone see why my compile fails? https://pastee.org/m5qu3 /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qglobal.h is there. |
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| 16:20.30 | jelly | tytan: unlikely. |
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| 16:21.34 | tytan | It would be like having Kernel 3.16 in Sqeeze :D |
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| 16:22.58 | learning | It appears that this error: undefined reference to `SSLv2_client_method' has been fixed in stunnel-5.07b1 |
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| 16:23.11 | learning | Released just 2 days after 5.06 release |
| 16:23.15 | jelly | tytan: the kernel packages from experimental can sometimes be coerced to install on stable, but there's absolutely no support for that |
| 16:23.26 | learning | But that is beta so not sure for production use |
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| 16:24.19 | tytan | jelly: Thanks for that hint. I'll consider it if I really need to upgrade the kernel :) |
| 16:24.37 | jelly | tytan: as far as intel gpu support is concerned, the wheezy-backports stuff ought to be enough |
| 16:24.53 | learning | Are there any alternatives to stunnel? |
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| 16:25.25 | jelly | learning: socat, maybe? |
| 16:25.38 | tytan | jelly: I just notice that. It's so amazing to see what this Notebook is capable of |
| 16:26.00 | ode | When updating apt I get: |
| 16:26.03 | ode | W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/wheezy/updates/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.250 80] |
| 16:26.03 | ode | W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/wheezy/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.250 80] |
| 16:26.15 | jelly | tytan: if you need a backported kernel, you'll probably need backported xserver-xorg-video-intel to go with it as well |
| 16:26.18 | rgr | tytan: Im just interested what you mean by "less lag" - there was lag before on an i5? What desktop do you use? I have just intel graphics (also i5) and it was always instant. |
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| 16:27.19 | tytan | I have to leave. Sorry. See you later! ;) |
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| 16:28.14 | jelly | ode: that shouldn't happen but is fine. Were there further errors or warnings after that? |
| 16:29.03 | learning | jelly: How aboout autossh? |
| 16:29.33 | petn-randall | learning: Depends on what you actually want to achieve. |
| 16:29.33 | jelly | learning: ssh does not talk well with an ssl endpoint |
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| 16:30.09 | ode | jelly: no more errors. So I should go ahead and upgrade? |
| 16:30.28 | jelly | ode: sure. |
| 16:30.36 | learning | petn-randall, jelly: What to connect postgres over tunnel to secure the connection. Client doesn't support ssl so need to setup tunnel |
| 16:30.50 | learning | *What => want |
| 16:31.08 | jelly | learning: IME autossh isn't good enough for unattended use. |
| 16:31.09 | petn-randall | learning: What is the "client"? |
| 16:31.24 | learning | pgbouncer |
| 16:31.49 | jelly | learning: I'd rather set up a proper vpn, eg. openvpn |
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| 16:32.05 | learning | jelly: thats too much for just one task |
| 16:32.37 | learning | jelly: Unattended secure database communication |
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| 16:33.15 | jelly | learning: alright then, what's wrong with stunnel present in Debian already? |
| 16:33.23 | jelly | learning: or socat? |
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| 16:33.53 | learning | jelly: stunnel is throwing error on source compile: stunnel-5.06/src/options.c:2123: undefined reference to `SSLv2_client_method' |
| 16:34.08 | jelly | learning: why are you not using the packaged version? |
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| 16:34.16 | learning | Thats old |
| 16:34.18 | learning | jelly: |
| 16:34.27 | learning | 5.06 has many fixes |
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| 16:34.45 | jelly | learning: are any of the fixes relevant for your setup? |
| 16:34.52 | learning | yea |
| 16:35.09 | jelly | note that debian backports security fixes. |
| 16:36.13 | learning | jelly: 5.06 disabled ssl v2 and v3 by default. Also has regression fix |
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| 16:38.16 | petn-randall | learning: It apparently still references SSLv2, though. |
| 16:38.56 | jelly | presumably the regression fix... hass a regression |
| 16:39.02 | learning | petn-randall: It seems to have got fixed in 5.07b1 but that is beta |
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| 16:40.02 | jelly | between a beta that works, or a release that doesn't |
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| 16:40.30 | petn-randall | learning: I'd use the standard stunnel package coming in wheezy. You can configure the cipher suite in the config files. Though I do think that running pgbouncer over anything else than a LAN will be painful. |
| 16:41.30 | jelly | configuring the cipher suite might not be good enough to stop the downgrade attack, but openssl patches will appear soon |
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| 16:42.29 | learning | petn-randall: Its on the LAN but in the cloud. I do not want to pretend safe environment on the LAN when its not clear who are all on the LAN |
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| 16:42.42 | petn-randall | jelly: TLS_FALLBACK_SCSV can only mitigate the attack to some extent. I think that disabling SSLv3 is the way to go. |
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| 16:43.37 | jelly | petn-randall: are you saying patching openssl on both ends is not enough? |
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| 16:44.10 | petn-randall | learning: Is it a private network on the cloud? I.e. does it run in a special subnet? |
| 16:45.10 | learning | petn-randall: yea, its on internal ip. VMs are behind NAT |
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| 16:45.38 | learning | but subnet has enough scope to add many more VMs in the same private network |
| 16:46.08 | tytan | So there I am back again. Is the person whos interested in my graphics experience still around? :) |
| 16:46.32 | learning | http://www.stunnel.org/pipermail/stunnel-users/2014-October/004804.html |
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| 16:46.51 | petn-randall | jelly: I didn't dig to far into it yet, but the only way to check for a downgrade attack is verifying the chosen cipher through the encrypted channel. For *now* it's ok because an attacker can't change the contents on the fly. But at some point it will become a problem again if an attacker can do that. Thus the only sensible way is to disable SSLv3 altogether, which has been rotting for quite a while now. |
| 16:47.32 | petn-randall | tytan: Is it on your wheezy machine, or your crunchbang machine? |
| 16:48.08 | tytan | petn-randall: Debian Wheezy Stable |
| 16:48.44 | petn-randall | tytan: So you have another machine not running crunchbang? |
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| 16:49.11 | Ooze | Ayy |
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| 16:49.50 | Ooze | I'm having trouble connecting to my local machiiine? Both my deluge and rutorrent installations are unable to start the local daemon |
| 16:50.07 | Ooze | When I ping 127.0.0.1 I'm not getting replies either |
| 16:50.29 | tytan | petn-randall: Yeah, I have many different computers. I use Crunchbang on "old" Laptops and a few Linux distributions and even FreeBSD on my Desktop. But I consider getting a Raspberrypi for experimenting :D |
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| 16:52.53 | tytan | So he isn't around anymore? |
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| 16:53.10 | punkgeek | hi, im using sed s/1/2/g test.txt but this command didnt change this changed on my file, just show me with this changed, what should i do? |
| 16:53.17 | dosBoss | am I correct that debian does noy support printing out of the box? |
| 16:53.23 | rgr | yes I am |
| 16:54.05 | dosBoss | if I install cups, will I be able to network print? i think ive used ldp before? |
| 16:54.13 | rgr | I was just wondering what you meant by "lag" - because with a linux desktop (any) on an i5 i find it extraordinary it had any lag at all. The kernel doesnt suddenly rewrite the graphics drivers for whatever chipset as a rule. |
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| 16:54.18 | tokuchou | punkgeek: you need the -i for "inplace" |
| 16:54.19 | Shattingduck | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:54.23 | tytan | rgr: When I took a window and draged it from a to be it was a little less fluent than now. So not a big deal after all |
| 16:54.42 | rgr | hmm. ok... |
| 16:54.44 | punkgeek | take example pls |
| 16:54.59 | punkgeek | sed -i s/1/2/g test.txt ? |
| 16:55.01 | Ooze | Anyone have some guidance for me? |
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| 16:55.05 | tokuchou | sed -i 's/1/2/g' test.txt |
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| 16:55.25 | punkgeek | very thank you |
| 16:55.25 | Shattingduck | dosboss: yes, you can do network printing |
| 16:55.35 | tokuchou | NP |
| 16:55.52 | dosBoss | in systemsettings there was no option for setting up a printer or scanner |
| 16:56.50 | tokuchou | Ooze: Not sure about your issue - are the correct nic modules loaded? |
| 16:57.01 | Ooze | nic modules? |
| 16:57.35 | rgr | dosBoss: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting |
| 16:57.38 | Ooze | I may have done some alterations to something before, but the problem because prevalent after a power outage |
| 16:57.47 | Ooze | I've had like 3 reboots since but I can't get it working |
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| 17:00.08 | tokuchou | Ooze: yeah, sorry - if you can't ping 127.0.0.1 - then drivers or TCP/IP stack is really messed up |
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| 17:00.36 | Ooze | Could that be because I've reserved an internal IP on my router? |
| 17:00.40 | Ooze | Or is that something w/ the system? |
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| 17:01.24 | tokuchou | if you can't ping 127.0.0.1 - then it is something on "that" system - it is not even reaching out for anything external.... |
| 17:01.33 | Walex | Ooze: most of our Psychic Advisors are engaged on other astral planes :-) |
| 17:02.03 | Ooze | Hermmm |
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| 17:02.07 | Ooze | Well what do I do about it? |
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| 17:02.23 | Walex | Ooze: perhaps it would help if you put on paste.debian.net the output of 'ip a; ip r' on both systems |
| 17:03.22 | Walex | Ooze: also, what happens when on the system where you cannot ping 127.0.0.1 you say 'sudo service networking up'? |
| 17:03.54 | Ooze | Usage: /etc/init.d/networking {start|stop|reload|restart|force-reload} |
| 17:03.56 | Walex | Ooze: the things to do is always the same: check every bit of relevant configuration starting from the lower level |
| 17:04.00 | gammawave | ive installed debian via 3 dvds, it has recognized all packages and everytime Ive wanted to install a package, it told me which DVD i should put in. now it doesnt work like this before |
| 17:04.03 | Walex | Ooze: yes, 'start' |
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| 17:04.17 | Ooze | Hmm? |
| 17:04.37 | Ooze | sudo service networking start? |
| 17:04.40 | veek | firefox was crashing - i ran gdb on it, assertion=assertion@entry=0x7ffff0710968 "snd_pcm_format_linear(slv->format)", file=<optimized out>, file@entry=0x7ffff07108fd "pcm_plug.c", line=line@entry=388, |
| 17:04.47 | Walex | Ooze: '/etc/init.d network start' or 'service networking start' |
| 17:04.53 | Ooze | couldn't read interfaces file /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:05.00 | veek | it's after a recent kernel and asound update |
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| 17:05.14 | tokuchou | raises an eyebrow |
| 17:05.22 | Walex | Ooze: can you now 'ping 127.0.0.1'? |
| 17:05.26 | Ooze | I just added autolo and such to it yesterday, trying to fix it |
| 17:05.37 | Ooze | No, still can't ping |
| 17:06.05 | Ooze | misplaced end option ifup: couldn't read interfaces file /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:06.06 | Ooze | failed |
| 17:06.13 | Walex | what does 'ip l' say? Does it list 'lo' as 'UP'? |
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| 17:06.40 | Walex | Ooze: just double checking, because that "couldn't read interfaces file /etc/network/interfaces" is probably the real cause. |
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| 17:06.57 | Walex | Ooze: does 'ip l' list "lo" at all? Should be the first. |
| 17:07.04 | jelly | Ooze: do you have a phone camera to take screenshots of /etc/network/interfaces contents and "ip r" and "ip a" and "ip l" output? |
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| 17:09.23 | Ooze | Sure, or I could paste them |
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| 17:09.43 | Ooze | When I edited the interfaces file the other day it was empty |
| 17:09.53 | Ooze | I checked the permissions and they're the same as the other files in that dir |
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| 17:10.18 | Walex | Ooze: that file should exist and be non-empty... |
| 17:10.45 | Walex | Ooze: anyhow is your priority now to get connected even if manually or to fix the network configuration? |
| 17:10.47 | Ooze | It was empty and -rw-r--r-- |
| 17:11.08 | Ooze | Sure, I just need to have those running again |
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| 17:11.47 | Walex | Ooze: If you get that node connected manually again you can then use various commands like 'pastebinit' if there are further problems... |
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| 17:12.05 | Walex | Ooze: how does you node get an IP address? Statically or via DHCP? |
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| 17:12.26 | Ooze | Well my DHCP reserved ip for this machine is 192.168.1.100 |
| 17:12.46 | Walex | Ooze: what's the router address? |
| 17:13.09 | Ooze | 192.168.1.1 |
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| 17:13.31 | Walex | Ooze: perfect, now let's do it manually and then fix '/etc/network/interfaces' once we have checked the details are right. |
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| 17:13.51 | Walex | Ooze: first 'ip link set up dev lo', then 'ping 127.0.0.1' |
| 17:14.07 | Ooze | In the file or run these commands? |
| 17:14.08 | Walex | IIRC it should autoconfigure on getting up |
| 17:14.15 | Walex | Ooze: command line |
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| 17:14.28 | Ooze | Should I have cleared that file before doing this? |
| 17:14.39 | Ooze | oh hey I'm getting pings back now |
| 17:14.45 | Walex | Ooze: no, all these commands are just "done". |
| 17:14.53 | Ooze | woooo |
| 17:14.55 | Ooze | you did it! |
| 17:15.10 | Walex | Ooze: the next command is "ip link set up dev eth0" |
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| 17:15.47 | Ooze | My deluge installation is running fine now, should I still do that? |
| 17:15.49 | Walex | Ooze: then "ip addr flush dev eth0" and then "ip addr add 192.168.1.100/24 dev eth0" |
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| 17:16.10 | Walex | Ooze: can you "ping 8.8.8.8"? |
| 17:16.48 | Ooze | aye |
| 17:16.50 | Walex | Ooze: I find it strange that you had an application that needed the localhost interface to be ip to work, most work with "0.0.0.0" |
| 17:17.06 | Walex | Ooze: then 'sudo apt-get install pastebinit' |
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| 17:17.39 | Walex | Ooze: and then 'pastebinit /etc/networks/interfaces' just to be sure |
| 17:18.24 | Walex | Ooze: because you seem to have your "local" interface 'lo' not configured, but your "external" interface 'eth0' configured right. That's strange. |
| 17:18.53 | Ooze | http://paste.debian.net/127769/ |
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| 17:20.11 | Walex | that's not empty :-) |
| 17:20.21 | Ooze | Well, I added those yesterday |
| 17:20.23 | Ooze | It was before |
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| 17:20.50 | jhutchins | Ooze: You're missing a space. |
| 17:21.01 | Ooze | hmm? |
| 17:21.03 | Walex | Ooze: so put a space there between "auto" and "lo" |
| 17:21.18 | Ooze | done |
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| 17:21.30 | Walex | Ooze: then simply append the 3 lines from: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Using_DHCP_to_automatically_configure_the_interface |
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| 17:22.26 | Ooze | so add that first bit? |
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| 17:22.59 | Guest96194 | `Bremsstrahlung' salutations |
| 17:23.14 | Guest96194 | `Bremsstrahlung' it's no big deal if you were deposed in #physics |
| 17:23.16 | Walex | Ooze: leave the existing two line as they are and append to those the three lines in that section |
| 17:24.07 | Ooze | http://paste.debian.net/127772/ |
| 17:24.09 | Ooze | ? |
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| 17:24.47 | Walex | that looks good. |
| 17:25.10 | Walex | Ooze: that config shold work well for you from now on. |
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| 17:26.03 | Ooze | errrm |
| 17:26.08 | Ooze | Now that deluge installation isn't working form e |
| 17:26.10 | Walex | Ooze: just to do a complete revision, check that '/etc/resolv.conf' loks right, probably there should be a mention of 192.168.1.1 there |
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| 17:26.32 | Ooze | Do I need to restart something? |
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| 17:26.56 | Ooze | Yes, it's the first nameserver |
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| 17:27.17 | Walex | Ooze: can you and 'ping 192.168.1.1' and 'ping 8.8.8.8'? |
| 17:27.20 | Ooze | Oh, my apache isn't working |
| 17:27.43 | Walex | Ooze: modifying that file has no effect until you do 'ifup' or 'ifdown'... |
| 17:27.44 | Ooze | Yeah 192 |
| 17:27.53 | Ooze | same w/ 8 |
| 17:28.07 | jhutchins | Possibly networking restart? |
| 17:28.22 | Walex | Ooze: then your networking is working fine. |
| 17:28.33 | Walex | jhutchins: as a test, that would be the next step |
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| 17:29.11 | rgb-one | hello |
| 17:29.19 | Ooze | my apache is messing up now though |
| 17:29.24 | Ooze | It was fine before I added that second bit |
| 17:29.28 | Walex | Ooze: so is everything fine for you? Can do you dare to restart network or reboot to test? |
| 17:29.39 | Ooze | I suppose I'll reboot... |
| 17:29.41 | Ooze | RIP uptime |
| 17:29.44 | Walex | Ooze: "fine before I added that second bit" is rather unlikely. |
| 17:29.47 | rgb-one | can anyone tell be how namespaces are arranged in /etc |
| 17:30.03 | Ooze | I was able to load it from my domain pointing to my external ip |
| 17:30.04 | Walex | rgb-one: left to right |
| 17:30.08 | Walex | rgb-one: :-) |
| 17:30.09 | Ooze | now I get timeouts and errors |
| 17:30.16 | Ooze | rebooting now |
| 17:30.39 | rgb-one | not sur what that mean |
| 17:30.42 | rgb-one | sure* |
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| 17:31.05 | rgb-one | could you give me a detailed answar |
| 17:31.08 | rgb-one | answer* |
| 17:31.08 | Walex | rgb-one: it meant that it is essentially arbitrary, legacy stuff, etc. :-) |
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| 17:32.03 | rgb-one | speak as if I know nothing about the /etc directory :) |
| 17:32.46 | Walex | Ooze: BTW it is possible that your 'eth0' needs to be configured with your "external" IP address too, or you were inaccurate about DHCP. |
| 17:33.14 | Walex | Ooze: so the next step is to 'ping 192.168.1.100' |
| 17:33.19 | Ooze | Says it's using DHCP |
| 17:33.31 | Ooze | I've been doing most this through ssh |
| 17:34.09 | Walex | Ooze: and then check that 'ip addr ls' shows '192.168.1.100' |
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| 17:34.32 | Ooze | inet 192.168.1.100/24 |
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| 17:35.09 | rgb-one | Ok i think I understand what you are saying |
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| 17:35.21 | Walex | Ooze: looks good, so the system is now configured as you wanted. |
| 17:35.29 | rgb-one | they are based on legacy Unix conventions like rc and .conf |
| 17:35.49 | Walex | Ooze: you can 'ping 127.0.0.1' and 'ping 8.8.8.8' I guess so it is all fine. |
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| 17:36.21 | Walex | rgb-one: no, they are essentially arbitrary, depend mostly on whatever names and conventions each package uses. |
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| 17:36.50 | Walex | rgb-one: some packages use old names and conventions, some packages use different ones. |
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| 17:37.06 | rgb-one | Wallex: I see |
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| 17:37.28 | jhutchins | rgb-one: You're asking about how files in /etc are named? |
| 17:37.35 | Ooze | My apache sites are really messed up now |
| 17:37.51 | Ooze | Maybe it's my router or something |
| 17:38.02 | Walex | Ooze: then perhaps they are not bound to the right addresses. |
| 17:38.38 | rgb-one | jhutchins: yea |
| 17:38.40 | Walex | Ooze: check the addresses listed in their VirtualHost headers. |
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| 17:39.34 | Ooze | My connection is super slow now, even from this machine |
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| 17:39.51 | magyar | hi, is there a way to keep the network interface configures if I logout from GUI and into the console? |
| 17:39.53 | Walex | Ooze: unlikely it is due to your fixed network configuration... |
| 17:40.11 | Walex | Ooze: try 'tcptraceroute site-name' to check where it gets slow. |
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| 17:40.17 | Walex | magyar: yes. |
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| 17:41.26 | magyar | right now if I logout from the gui the Network Manager un-configures the interface, so in console I have no IP address |
| 17:41.37 | magyar | Walex: do tell plz |
| 17:42.13 | Walex | magyar: that's extremely unlikely. Probably you have not asked NetworkManager to save your config or make it persistent. |
| 17:42.38 | Walex | magyar: or perhaps you are not running the NetworkManager daemon. |
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| 17:43.12 | magyar | Walex: it is persistent in gui only but not if I logout and stop X and login to console |
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| 17:43.24 | Walex | magyar: however for traditional cast-in-bytes config: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
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| 17:44.36 | Walex | magyar: however NetworkManager ought to run a daemon that outlives the applet that is its fron-tend. |
| 17:44.42 | Walex | magyar: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager |
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| 17:45.05 | Walex | magyar: perhaps you don't have the background daemon running, b ut then I doubt it would work at all |
| 17:45.08 | meaneye | Anyone knows which software is this https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.14/figures/software.png . Supposedly it's a Gnome application manager, but I can't find it on Debian testing. |
| 17:45.11 | magyar | Walex: the daemon seems to be enabled at boot time |
| 17:45.30 | magyar | Walex: interesting |
| 17:46.51 | Walex | magyar: you can check the status of the NetworkManager daemon with the command line "nm-tool" etc. commands. |
| 17:46.53 | magyar | Walex: "All users can use this network connection" is unchecked |
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| 17:47.17 | magyar | Walex: I'll give that a shot, thanks for your help |
| 17:47.19 | Walex | magyar: I don't know about that. |
| 17:47.28 | magyar | Walex: k, thx |
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| 17:49.15 | JPaul | Does anyone know if the openssl package for squeeze is going to be patched with the latest security patches? I've only seen sid and wheezy's packages patched so far. |
| 17:49.31 | rgb-one | hey heres another question; What is the transport protocol used my /etc files? |
| 17:49.36 | magyar | Walex: the service seems to be up >>"NetworkManager.service loaded active running Network Manager" |
| 17:49.40 | rgb-one | by* |
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| 17:57.18 | jhutchins | rgb-one: There isn't one. |
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| 17:58.01 | jhutchins | rgb-one: As Walex said earlier, the names are entirely arbitrary. |
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| 17:58.24 | jhutchins | rgb-one: In *nix type systems the file name is for human convenience only, the system doesn't care what it is, or what extension the file has. |
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| 17:58.43 | jhutchins | rgb-one: There are a few exceptions to that, but they're coded into individual programs. |
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| 18:00.56 | jhutchins | rgb-one: What does matter, if anything, is the first eight characters of the file, which are a "magic number" that identifies the type of file: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_(programming) |
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| 18:02.53 | OozeMobile | my whole outside connection is down now |
| 18:03.05 | OozeMobile | might just be a coincidence |
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| 18:24.56 | rgb-one | jhutching: thanks |
| 18:25.08 | rgb-one | jhutchins: thanks |
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| 18:27.17 | rgb-one | hey, does anyone have a suggestion for a presentation tool? |
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| 18:46.07 | beepie | hi |
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| 18:51.49 | berarma_ | what's the best way to transfer files over a 1GB local network? I'm using scp and it uses a lot of CPU at 36MB/s |
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| 18:54.27 | tsam | berarma_: netcat ? |
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| 18:54.48 | brx_ | i always get the followinbg error when tyring to install packages usiing apt: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 18:54.55 | brx_ | please someone help its killing me |
| 18:55.11 | tsam | brx_: it depends what caused it. |
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| 18:55.26 | tsam | Might be a full fs or anything else. |
| 18:55.39 | brx_ | fsam it just happened suddenly |
| 18:55.47 | berarma_ | tsam: isn't there anything less rudymentary? |
| 18:55.48 | brx_ | anytime i try to do apt-get install it says it |
| 18:55.50 | tsam | brx_: you probably have other logs. |
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| 18:56.21 | tsam | berarma_: I don't know. I would used netcat. But maybe there are other tools, more user-friendly. |
| 18:56.27 | brx_ | im using linux mint, (i did ask in that channel too but nonne replies) |
| 18:56.36 | berarma_ | brx_: you should pastebin the whole output of your command |
| 18:56.56 | tsam | brx_: what's the output of apt-get install -f? |
| 18:57.04 | tsam | Paste the full output on paste.debian.net |
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| 18:57.26 | brx_ | http://pastebin.com/G0XzJ5gb |
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| 18:57.33 | brx_ | checking now tsam |
| 18:57.49 | brx_ | http://pastebin.com/H4NtFKN6 |
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| 19:03.26 | adam_ | I have a USB device that has been reformatted. When mounted Thunar (my GUI file manager) refers to the USB drive as "Linux Mint 16". It is just Thunar "remembering" this name from the UUID? How would I go about changing this label? The usb gets mounted at /media/username/Linux Mint 16 |
| 19:03.41 | Brigo | abailarri, delete the ¡1¡ after INPUT |
| 19:04.22 | Brigo | adam_, when you format you can change the label. |
| 19:04.22 | abailarri | Brigo, thanks |
| 19:04.31 | Brigo | abailarri, np :) |
| 19:04.52 | Brigo | so mkfs.vfat should can do it. |
| 19:04.54 | adam_ | Brigo, gparted was reporting the label of the only partition a blank. I'll try giving it a new partition name. |
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| 19:05.53 | Brigo | adam_, i think the label is disk, no partition, but not sure. |
| 19:06.33 | Brigo | adam_, if it is a fat fs you can use fatlabel |
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| 19:07.14 | Brigo | adam_, 'apropos label' should give you the right command. |
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| 19:08.00 | abailarri | Brigo, when is inserted a rule for allow ftp connections, is necesarry to allow passive mode? |
| 19:08.20 | beepie | i'm having problems building this kernel source tree using http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux/3.17~rc5-1~exp1/ |
| 19:08.52 | Brigo | abailarri, yes, if you use fpt passive mode, the default behaviour. |
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| 19:08.59 | beepie | i'm not sure where to place the .dsc file, all I need is to create a kernel source package :( (i need it to compile the latest of ovs,, kernel headers are not enough ) |
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| 19:10.34 | beepie | there's also the "fatlabel" command |
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| 19:10.54 | adam_ | Brigo, looks like the command I need is fatlabel |
| 19:11.11 | adam_ | Brigo, `fatlabel /dev/sdb Eggs` |
| 19:11.20 | beepie | bope |
| 19:11.26 | beepie | /dev/sdb is the whole device |
| 19:11.32 | beepie | you specify a partition. |
| 19:11.38 | beepie | bope nope! |
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| 19:12.41 | Brigo | adam_, i guess `fatlabel /dev/sdb1 Eggs` /dev/sdb is the whole disk, like beepie has said. |
| 19:13.15 | adam_ | beepie, Brigo, correct. My USB is now called Eggs. Which is nice. I ran it against /dev/sdb as well, not sure what effect if any it had. |
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| 19:13.55 | abailarri | Brigo, and If I need to write a rule for passive mode, I need to establish a range of passive ports in the ftp server? |
| 19:14.02 | abailarri | or how do you do? |
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| 19:14.20 | Brigo | abailarri, sorry, i can help you about this, try google. :) |
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| 19:14.41 | Artemis3 | this is interesing, should systemd be forced on upon us: http://debianfork.org/ |
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| 19:15.39 | adam_ | beepie, Brigo, fatlabel threw an error when running against the whole device, stating that the target wasn't supported. Cool. I'm satisfied, thanks for your help! |
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| 19:15.56 | Brigo | adam_, np :) |
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| 19:17.04 | dondelelcaro | abailarri: yes, you'll have to allow a range of ports on the server. |
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| 19:17.26 | dondelelcaro | but why use ftp? just use rsync. It's much better. |
| 19:17.37 | abailarri | rsyinc? |
| 19:17.50 | dondelelcaro | !rsync |
| 19:17.50 | dpkg | from memory, rsync is a superior network file synchronization program. Handy for downloading a Linux kernel, e.g. rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.29.3.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/ Useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ , see also <rsnapshot>. http://rsync.samba.org/ #rsync on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 19:18.45 | magnulu | I have always used dd to copy debian install images on an usb stick, but I see that the installation manual lists 'cp deb.iso /dev/sdX' as the preferred method.. just curious, why? as far as I remember, I learned the dd-way from the installation manual.. has this changed? |
| 19:18.46 | abailarri | dondelelcaro, why is better? |
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| 19:19.59 | dondelelcaro | abailarri: it's faster, can resume file downloads much more elegantly, etc. |
| 19:20.01 | beepie | http://pastebin.com/1mBwHa8X |
| 19:20.02 | beepie | :( |
| 19:20.06 | beepie | again lol |
| 19:20.10 | adam_ | ls |
| 19:20.18 | adam_ | oops |
| 19:20.22 | dondelelcaro | magnulu: cp is easier, and faster than dd. |
| 19:20.40 | beepie | cp and dd suck |
| 19:20.47 | dondelelcaro | magnulu: unless you need special dd options, you're better off using cp. And if you do need special dd options, you're better off using dcfldd. |
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| 19:20.53 | abailarri | dondelelcaro, and is more securely? |
| 19:21.02 | beepie | dc3dd is best, it verifies |
| 19:21.08 | dondelelcaro | abailarri: ftp is basically insecure. |
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| 19:21.18 | magnulu | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks for your opinion, I buy it :-) |
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| 19:21.19 | beepie | oops networks |
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| 19:21.59 | dondelelcaro | beepie: dcfldd can verify too... |
| 19:22.09 | beepie | yeah but its archaic.. |
| 19:22.24 | beepie | dc3dd can do it more easily with iso to usb devices.. |
| 19:22.34 | beepie | (dcfldd uses "hash windows") |
| 19:23.09 | beepie | eg, |
| 19:23.09 | beepie | (1) dc3dd if=[USB ISO] phod=[USB DEVICE] hash=md5 |
| 19:23.09 | beepie | , another way can be |
| 19:23.09 | beepie | (2) dc3dd if=[USB ISO] phod=[USB DEVICE] hash=md5 hash=sha1 |
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| 19:23.45 | beepie | ^ can do multiple hashes easily :) |
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| 19:24.19 | dondelelcaro | beepie: so can dcfldd... hash=md5,sha1 etc. |
| 19:24.31 | beepie | no it can't.. it does hash windows |
| 19:24.37 | beepie | it's a pita command to work with.. |
| 19:24.41 | dondelelcaro | beepie: it calculates the total hash as well... |
| 19:24.45 | beepie | yes. |
| 19:24.49 | beepie | of course I know. |
| 19:24.54 | beepie | because I've used it. |
| 19:24.55 | beepie | :P |
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| 19:25.06 | G66K | Hello everyone |
| 19:25.07 | beepie | but you cant set the "maximum" |
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| 19:25.30 | G66K | s there any sound editor |
| 19:25.32 | beepie | easily.. you'll need to "calculate" the length manually |
| 19:25.51 | beepie | which is why dcfldd is harder work |
| 19:25.58 | beepie | did my paste show up on here? |
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| 19:26.04 | beepie | dc3dd if=[USB ISO] phod=[USB DEVICE] hash=md5 << |
| 19:26.04 | dondelelcaro | beepie: uh.. that's what count does? but hey, whatever works for you. And please stop overusing enter. |
| 19:26.09 | beepie | it's that simple :) |
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| 19:28.12 | beepie | dondelelcaro, that never works because the blocksize*count has to land on the size of the iso which is never |
| 19:28.28 | beepie | dondelelcaro, so you're always going to have to get an extra hash window |
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| 19:32.23 | beepie | .. meddled with it long while ago.. now I'm stuck with a .dsc problem.. so I came here for help |
| 19:32.50 | beepie | dondelelcaro, and you're better than me with this but I don't think you know about a particular .dsc problem I'm having lol |
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| 19:34.39 | jhutchins | Chances of dd garbling a copy are pretty miniscule (if any). |
| 19:35.33 | beepie | people should just use dc3dd.. You download the iso once, and then apply dc3dd. It'll print "checksum" for the "iso" file, and the "written" bytes.. |
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| 19:36.40 | beepie | the people at #kernel told me to ask this on here http://pastebin.com/1mBwHa8X |
| 19:36.49 | beepie | because they don't use debian :( |
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| 19:37.12 | jhutchins | Funny, I don't see dc3dd installed by default on either a Debian or a Red Hat box. |
| 19:37.20 | beepie | its on debian ha! |
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| 19:37.35 | adilix | hi all |
| 19:37.37 | beepie | its in both wheezy and jessie. |
| 19:37.38 | adilix | https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 19:37.46 | jhutchins | beepie: No it isn't. |
| 19:37.47 | adilix | does this work with chromium? |
| 19:37.57 | beepie | jhutchins, i just did an apt-cache policy dc3dd. |
| 19:38.03 | beepie | jhutchins, it's in both. |
| 19:38.14 | beepie | :p |
| 19:38.16 | beepie | noob |
| 19:38.24 | adilix | Supported browser in Debian: and more |
| 19:38.25 | beepie | and "main |
| 19:38.28 | beepie | repository as well |
| 19:38.29 | berzerka | anyone heard about a server-side openssl regression with the latest openssl update (1.0.1e-2+deb7u12, 1.0.1e-2+deb7u13)? i can still use ssh and scp without problems, but mounting a fuse-sshfs freezes the client. this happens with 1.0.1j-1 on arch, 1.0.1j on gentoo and 1.0.1e-2+deb7u13 on debian wheezy as clients. |
| 19:38.33 | beepie | !dc3dd |
| 19:38.33 | dpkg | dc3dd is a patched version of GNU <dd> with features useful for computer forensics. Not packaged for Debian, <RFP> in Debian bug #468958. http://dc3dd.sf.net/ |
| 19:38.38 | beepie | ^ |
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| 19:38.48 | beepie | wrong! |
| 19:39.04 | beepie | somebody update that factiod |
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| 19:40.11 | jhutchins | ,v dc3dd |
| 19:40.12 | judd | Package: dc3dd on i386 -- wheezy: 7.1.614-1; sid: 7.2.641-3; jessie: 7.2.641-3 |
| 19:40.32 | mtn | adilix: newer versions of chromium have to use pepperflash-plugin |
| 19:40.44 | jhutchins | Let's see, the server in Tucson was a fresh wheezy build... |
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| 19:41.07 | jhutchins | Nope, not installed. |
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| 19:41.23 | adilix | i use the default that comes with debian |
| 19:41.32 | mtn | adilix: wheezy? |
| 19:41.37 | adilix | i will try it at see |
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| 19:41.46 | adilix | yes wheezy 7.7 |
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| 19:42.04 | mtn | adilix: you will need pepperflash-plugin. it is in backports |
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| 19:42.25 | beepie | jhutchins, whatever mirror you're using sucks. |
| 19:42.27 | adilix | mtn i read this atm https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer/Installing |
| 19:43.06 | mtn | adilix: good |
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| 19:44.14 | adilix | mtn its unable to find the package pepperflash...... |
| 19:44.29 | mtn | adilix: did you activate backports? |
| 19:44.43 | adilix | mtn i will look |
| 19:45.01 | mtn | adilix: the wiki tells you how, just follow the instructions |
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| 19:46.23 | abailarri | I instaled pureftp on debian wheezy. I added a new group named ftpgroup and I added my user to this group. When I try to acces via FTP, I get 530 login authentication failed. Any suggestion please? |
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| 19:48.05 | jhutchins | beepie: Perhaps you misunderstand, my point is that it's not a default coreutils program that you're going to find on every Linux system. |
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| 19:48.19 | jhutchins | beepie: dd is, and does this particular job just fine. |
| 19:48.40 | beepie | jhutchins, not for what I was referring to (iso to usb) |
| 19:48.56 | beepie | jhutchins, for other things it could |
| 19:49.03 | jhutchins | beepie: When recommending a method to a user, you need to go for the least common denominator, and not require a bunch of special qualifications. |
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| 19:49.19 | jhutchins | beepie: Thousands of successful uses say you're wrong. |
| 19:49.21 | berzerka | is there no bug report page for packages in stable? |
| 19:49.21 | beepie | jhutchins, dd is multipurpose unless I'm stupified. |
| 19:49.26 | menace | hi, a friend of mine did a .. thing.. he put linux mint repositories on a debian server.. is there a standard method to find out, which packages are installed from the linux mint repository? or do i have to script that? |
| 19:49.29 | beepie | XD |
| 19:49.57 | beepie | jhutchins, but dd is not the tool to use for iso to usb. |
| 19:50.00 | jhutchins | menace: This may be useful: |
| 19:50.02 | Freeaqingme | Hi folks. I've set up a chroot using debootstrap. When I try to install a package, it gives me a 404 not found. Even though I run apt-get update first. Any ideas as to what could be wrong? http://pastie.org/pastes/9663634/text?key=u1mywkhhgpmsd5wpk8wa |
| 19:50.06 | jhutchins | !partial downgrade |
| 19:50.06 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
| 19:50.36 | jhutchins | beepie: It works fine in thousands of cases, for thousands of people. Perhaps you're special. |
| 19:51.16 | beepie | jhutchins, you're wrong here. Your mirrors are broken. If you can't install dc3dd on your system that's your problem. Face it you looked silly above there.. and whoever is maintaining that factoid is out of date. |
| 19:51.17 | beepie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:51.53 | jhutchins | beepie: I never said I couldn't install it, I said it wasn't part of a default insall. |
| 19:51.54 | somiaj | Freeaqingme: try adding security.debian.org repo. I almost wonder if that security update +deb7u3 has not been fully copied over to the mirror http.debian.net rirected you to since the point-release |
| 19:52.02 | beepie | pff |
| 19:52.45 | Freeaqingme | somiaj, I can just add repos to apt. But can you explain why it would appear to be in the index(es)? E.g. apt-cache show <package> shows it just fine |
| 19:52.50 | adilix | mtn it doesnt work, should i delete wheezy and left only wheezy-backports? |
| 19:53.01 | mtn | adilix: uh, no! |
| 19:53.15 | mtn | !tell adilix about debian-backports |
| 19:53.21 | menace | jhutchins: thanks, but i will first filter with dpkg/awk/madison.. it's almost ready :) |
| 19:54.09 | adilix | mtn i followed this instructions |
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| 19:54.14 | somiaj | Freeaqingme: http.debian.net is a redirection mirror. The point release just hit between 24 and 48 hours ago, it could be that some mirrors have not fully copied over all the files from the point release (my guess). Unless you knew exactly which mirror http.debian.net was redirecting you to and invesigated it (could be the mirror you got the indexes from was not the same as you tried to fetch from too) |
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| 19:54.38 | jhutchins | menace: That method is meant to remove packages installed from testing or sid on a stable machine, but I think you're right, I'd just script/filter something. |
| 19:54.44 | mtn | adilix: pepperflash exists: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pepperflash&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search |
| 19:54.46 | somiaj | Freeaqingme: http.debian.net is supose to fix some of these issues, but I think there are still some kinks in it. (: |
| 19:54.57 | Freeaqingme | somiaj, aaah. cool. thanks. |
| 19:55.02 | Freeaqingme | I'll just use our own mirror :) |
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| 19:55.41 | jhutchins | adilix: Backports is set up so that it only installs the specific program you select from backports (and any dependencies that are newer). |
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| 19:56.39 | adilix | mtn its say cant locate package... |
| 19:56.49 | mtn | adilix: ok. good luck. |
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| 19:57.12 | beepie | adilix, ? |
| 19:57.13 | Ooze | Alright well whatever someone had me do fucked my router |
| 19:57.17 | Ooze | Had to go set up a new one |
| 19:57.21 | beepie | adilix, you keep wheezy and then add wheezy-backports |
| 19:57.38 | adilix | yes i did it |
| 19:57.52 | wols_ | adilix: apt-cache policy |
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| 19:59.36 | berzerka | is there a recommended way to view verbose output of sshd on debian? |
| 19:59.39 | jhutchins | Ooze: I don't think setting up your networking properly affected your router. |
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| 20:00.02 | Ooze | Must be a very rare coincidence then |
| 20:00.04 | somiaj | berzerka: what output are you looking for? Stuff in the logs, or the result of what happens when you try to connect? |
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| 20:00.28 | jhutchins | berzerka: sshd should log to /var/log/auth.log |
| 20:00.38 | berzerka | somiaj: a result of what happens when i try to connect in verbose/debug mode (-d). |
| 20:00.58 | berzerka | jhutchins: oh i looked only at daemon.log, let me check that first. |
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| 20:02.26 | berzerka | hm nothing obvious there. |
| 20:02.50 | somiaj | berzerka: yea not sure what logs you would have to look at. Have you tried ssh -vvv user@foo |
| 20:02.55 | beepie | berzerka, you can use -v with the ssh command and it can show the authentication applied |
| 20:03.04 | beepie | berzerka, (or -vv for more verbosity) |
| 20:03.08 | berzerka | ah i can set LogLevel in sshd_config |
| 20:03.24 | berzerka | beepie: i need to see server-side logs, ssh works fine but sshfs-fuse fails. |
| 20:04.12 | berzerka | this is presumably due to the server side upgrade i did some days ago. |
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| 20:04.50 | Freeaqingme | somiaj, using a different mirror fixed it like a charm |
| 20:05.33 | beepie | berzerka, a side note, sometimes crap changes, I've noticed from wheezy->jessie where once "mount -t cifs works", I now I have to use "mount.cifs" |
| 20:06.06 | somiaj | Freeaqingme: (: |
| 20:06.06 | beepie | (looks and see if "cifs" module is loaded. This used to be called "smbfs" module) |
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| 20:07.14 | berzerka | beepie: nono, as mentioned, it was only a minor upgrade on stable openssl:i386 (1.0.1e-2+deb7u12, 1.0.1e-2+deb7u13), which would be a serious issue if it's really the case.. |
| 20:07.24 | beepie | berzerka, if it's user-space, there's probably something you can do with the udisksctrl monitor tool |
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| 20:07.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I have a radeon hd that I think overheats since I had the cooler off... how do I get its temperature from linux? lm-sensors? do they work now? did something else come along? |
| 20:07.39 | beepie | ./udisksctl |
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| 20:08.31 | berzerka | beepie: will check, thanks |
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| 20:08.48 | adilix | here is an scrennshot http://picpaste.de/pics/2014-10-20_23_06_59-Debian__Running__-_Oracle_VM_VirtualBox.1413835711.png |
| 20:09.02 | adilix | whats wrong? |
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| 20:10.12 | beepie | adilix, you're missing for "wheezy" :) |
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| 20:10.41 | dondelelcaro | adilix: you want two lines, one for wheezy, and the other for wheezy-backports. |
| 20:10.43 | beepie | can the first rule contain "wheezy" and "wheezy-backports" like that? |
| 20:10.52 | beepie | i don't think so.. I think you need to split it to two lines |
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| 20:11.12 | dondelelcaro | beepie: no, it can't; you can only have one suite listed. |
| 20:11.22 | beepie | adilix, ^ |
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| 20:11.26 | adilix | yes |
| 20:11.40 | dondelelcaro | (multiple components, but only one suite) |
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| 20:12.13 | gthz | adilix: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/apt.html#idp8530784 |
| 20:12.24 | gthz | check example 6.1 |
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| 20:13.34 | berzerka | frozen again. gotta reboot. |
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| 20:16.37 | adilix | yeaaa that's working now, iadded 2 new lines |
| 20:16.38 | beepie | adilix, you can also add "contrib non-free" to the wheezy/updates section if you're sneaky |
| 20:17.49 | adilix | ok thx |
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| 20:18.56 | adilix | everything is working |
| 20:19.01 | adilix | only i dont have sound |
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| 20:24.51 | abailarri | I writed this rules on my iptables of debian wheezy, but when I try to connect to the ftp I get an error. Any help please? http://paste.debian.net/127801/ |
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| 20:25.10 | learning | hey guys, when I run stunnel, I get this error: [!] error queue: 2606A074: error:2606A074:engine routines:ENGINE_by_id:no such engine [!] ENGINE_by_id: 260B606D: error:260B606D:engine routines:DYNAMIC_LOAD:init failed [!] Line 18: "engine = capi": Failed to open the engine |
| 20:25.15 | learning | how to fix this? |
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| 20:25.49 | Spark | hi, what is the purpose of /etc/init/ on wheezy? |
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| 20:26.07 | Spark | this is the upstart dir, right? but wheezy uses systemv |
| 20:26.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, to answer my own question... the sensor of the radeon graphics card is not exposed to lm-sensors, so they don't see it. If one uses the proprietary driver, though, one can run aticonfig --odgt and that shows the temperature |
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| 20:26.56 | tytan | CutMeOwnThroat: nice to know, dude :) |
| 20:27.08 | adilix | how do i enable sound now, alsaconf isnt available |
| 20:27.36 | Spark | is there some compatability layer for upstart in sys5init debian? |
| 20:27.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spark, wheezy uses init.d jessy will use systemv |
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| 20:28.03 | Spark | CutMeOwnThroat: so what is /etc/init for |
| 20:28.13 | illy | for some love |
| 20:28.20 | Spark | are packages putting stuff in there for those crazy fools who want to run upstart on debian? |
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| 20:28.42 | beepie | adilix, did you run apt-get update? hardware can be found with aplay -l |
| 20:28.51 | Spark | or is there some sys5init magic to run some upstart scripts |
| 20:28.53 | beepie | adilix, the minimal is to have alsa-utils |
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| 20:28.56 | Spark | without actually using upstart |
| 20:29.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spark, at least by default. I never even noticed /etc/init yet, so I need to guess... and the guess is that debian tries/tried to support more than one init system (the packages are present) and if you say these are upstart... then they could be used if you switched to upstart |
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| 20:29.46 | Spark | that sounds like a reasonable guess :) |
| 20:30.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | only the default init system will see a lot of testing / lovek, though |
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| 20:30.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least compared to the others |
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| 20:31.22 | adilix | beepie everything is installed even alsa libs |
| 20:31.25 | adilix | but no sound |
| 20:31.41 | beepie | adilix, what about that command i told you? |
| 20:31.48 | beepie | adilix, "aplay -l" |
| 20:31.57 | nkirsten | Hi guys, does someone know is it possible to specify "data directory = '/path'" when creating a table in MySQL 5.5 using InnoDB? |
| 20:32.12 | adilix | i get card 0 |
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| 20:32.44 | adilix | Intel 82801AA-ICH, i am inside virtualbox |
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| 20:32.54 | edoardo | hi! |
| 20:33.07 | adilix | hi |
| 20:33.07 | beepie | oh well virtualbox.. that means you need to expose the Vbox settings to allow audio |
| 20:33.08 | edoardo | installing debian on a usb disk, is it worth it? |
| 20:33.34 | edoardo | i just need to set up a streaming server in an enviroinment where all PCs are windows 8 |
| 20:33.41 | mtn | edoardo: what do you mean by worth it? |
| 20:33.45 | adilix | edoardo yes if USB 3 and very fast drive |
| 20:33.47 | tytan | edoardo: If you want to install it on several computers, sure ^_^ |
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| 20:34.11 | edoardo | i'll not install debian on these machines unfortunately :( |
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| 20:34.40 | edoardo | however, i just need something like a live cd, but that saves configs and installed packages |
| 20:35.16 | beepie | edoardo, you can use "virtualization"!! |
| 20:35.58 | edoardo | except i can't, since i need direct access to the machine!! |
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| 20:36.04 | tytan | edoardo: I don't recommend Debian as a live system because of the outdated hardware support. I think you'd be better off running some bleeding edge distro on your USB drive :) e.g. Ubuntu 14.04.1, ArchBang or openSUSE 13.1 |
| 20:36.07 | beepie | edoardo, wait you use Windows 8? shame on you. |
| 20:36.16 | edoardo | i don't use windows 8 |
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| 20:36.18 | adilix | still no sound |
| 20:36.42 | edoardo | i have these two laptops i need to stream media from, and doing that with windows it's just a no-no |
| 20:36.44 | beepie | adilix, you can refer to great docs on virtualbox.org (there's also #virtualbox) |
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| 20:36.57 | beepie | adilix, it's a virtualbox configuration one, not a debian one |
| 20:37.25 | edoardo | i can't install software or distros on them |
| 20:38.12 | edoardo | so this is the only way |
| 20:39.12 | tytan | edoardo: You could visit "distrowatch.com" and search for distributions that are made for being used as a live system only like Crunchbang Linux ^^ |
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| 20:40.30 | grammoboy | can I use dd to create an image of the system, being on the system itself? |
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| 20:41.12 | beepie | grammoboy, no because there are always going to be pending changes left in ram to write to the disk. |
| 20:41.23 | beepie | grammoboy, you can't do it on any system afaik |
| 20:41.27 | edoardo | tytan: is it a live-system only distro? |
| 20:41.40 | edoardo | can't find anything saying that on their site |
| 20:41.45 | grammoboy | beepie, ok thx |
| 20:41.46 | tytan | grammoboy: I don't know. but try "sudo dd if=/ of=/dev/sdX bs=1M" please :D |
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| 20:42.52 | grammoboy | beepie, so i've to put the sd card of raspbian in this case, into my laptop and dd that |
| 20:43.11 | tytan | edoardo: yes. Crunchbang Linux (Based on Debian Stable btw) is designed as a live system to be used from USB. But there are many other distros for that pupose, too. So look for one you like :) |
| 20:43.24 | jhutchins | grammoboy: It's generally recommended that you do it from some other medium - a disk or USB drive - because the system is running and changes can happen. |
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| 20:43.33 | beepie | grammoboy, if the device is not automounted by anything sure.. you can use "dd" as long as there's no mountpoint set on the sd card |
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| 20:43.37 | tytan | grammoboy: should work |
| 20:43.51 | jhutchins | You can set a device read-only and flush the cache, then try it, or just do it and take the risk of garbled files. |
| 20:43.51 | edoardo | tytan: but it's 700mb of iso, can't i just use a plain debian image? |
| 20:44.09 | jhutchins | !live |
| 20:44.10 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
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| 20:45.07 | tytan | jhutchins: Thx, didn't know these exist :D |
| 20:45.08 | beepie | grammoboy, wait a second |
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| 20:45.55 | beepie | grammoboy, are you talking about "dd'ing" the running raspberry system? in that case the mountpoint you're referring to is "/" |
| 20:46.07 | tytan | edoardo: Finding a modern distribution smaller than a CD in size won't be easy I think |
| 20:46.11 | beepie | grammoboy, in that case it should be no brainer |
| 20:46.28 | grammoboy | beepie, yes |
| 20:46.34 | beepie | grammoboy, dont dd a drive where there are mountpoints or you won't get a sane copy of the filesystem on it |
| 20:46.57 | grammoboy | beepie, hm right, i've nfs automounted |
| 20:47.10 | tytan | afk |
| 20:47.14 | grammoboy | here they use the dd command |
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| 20:47.17 | grammoboy | http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=136912 |
| 20:47.21 | beepie | grammoboy, you have a practical reason why you need to do this? |
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| 20:47.26 | Wulf | Hi |
| 20:47.38 | grammoboy | beepie, backup my rpi system |
| 20:48.00 | Wulf | I'm using the wpa- options in /etc/network/interfaces and it's working good. Is there any way to configure two different networks there? |
| 20:48.12 | beepie | grammoboy, backup up your system? so shutdown the raspberry take out the sdcard and back it up to an image.. what's so hard about that? |
| 20:48.13 | grammoboy | beepie, I just edited all the settings, right resolution, wifi, nfs etc |
| 20:48.15 | jhutchins | grammoboy: dd works directly on devices, so mount points are irrelevant. You won't get the content of anything that's mounted within the scope of the device, but you'll get the mount point. |
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| 20:48.33 | coagen | so where do I do for conversation about the future init system of debian? |
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| 20:48.45 | jhutchins | coagen: Forums. |
| 20:48.46 | beepie | jhutchins, if you're following properly.. |
| 20:49.07 | dondelelcaro | coagen: there's no real place to discuss it. If you want to have an impact on what Debian supports, contribute. |
| 20:49.10 | beepie | grammoboy, it's really easy to do it, remember what i said.. |
| 20:49.29 | adilix | i have music |
| 20:49.40 | grammoboy | beepie, there are two options, put it in the sd card reader or do it from the system itself |
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| 20:49.50 | juniorzoid | coagen: http://www.debianfork.org/ |
| 20:50.06 | beepie | adilix, yes and you want help on getting audio through virtualbox. .. you have to configure virtualbox and this has nothing to do with configuring debian.. |
| 20:50.15 | grammoboy | beepie, the 2nd is most easy ... |
| 20:50.15 | edoardo | what if i install debian on a sd card? |
| 20:50.22 | jhutchins | grammoboy: Best option is to do it from another system, ie with the reader. |
| 20:50.25 | beepie | grammoboy, if you want an insane copy sure go ahead. nobody is stopping you. |
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| 20:50.34 | grammoboy | ok clear now |
| 20:50.35 | grammoboy | thx |
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| 20:50.47 | coagen | juniorzoid: thanks, dondelelcaro and jhutchins: the GR is not being discussed here in some manner? |
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| 20:51.04 | dondelelcaro | coagen: no. |
| 20:51.12 | jhutchins | coagen: Nope, this for support of existing systems. |
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| 20:52.16 | coagen | dondelelcaro, jhutchins, thank you... |
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| 20:52.44 | jhutchins | coagen: The decision's been made for jessie, and I think we're just going to have to see how it plays out before anyone suggsts changing it for post-jessie. I would expect to see it for a couple of releases before anyone seriously talks about changes. |
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| 20:53.19 | _abc_ | Will runit still be a viable init replacement in systemd based debian? |
| 20:53.51 | d3lphi | hi all. I am trying to follow a tutorial (https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Setup_a_Samba_AD_Member_Server#Setting_up_PAM_authentication) and it says I should create a symlink like that ==> "ln -s /usr/local/samba/lib/security/pam_winbind.so /lib64/security/" But I don't have a directory /lib64/security, should I ? Do I have to manually create that dir before? |
| 20:54.29 | coagen | jhutchins: right, i'm very dissapointed by this :|, I did not believe what I read, that people were not discussing it here... but its all too true I see... |
| 20:54.40 | ben{} | d3lphi: do you run a 64bit system ? |
| 20:54.47 | d3lphi | yes |
| 20:54.50 | d3lphi | ben{}: yes |
| 20:54.52 | abailarri | anyone can help me please? I have this iptables rules, but I'm not able to connect to the FTP http://paste.debian.net/127812/ |
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| 20:55.31 | ben{} | d3lphi: why don't you install the samba package from your distro instead ? |
| 20:55.37 | _abc_ | coagen: by what please? disappointed? |
| 20:55.48 | d3lphi | ben{}: I did ;) it's Samba4 package by Sernet |
| 20:55.58 | sharp15 | is there a program/library in debian repositories to decode qr codes? |
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| 20:56.30 | tytan | edoardo: Is your problem solved? |
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| 20:57.06 | edoardo | tytan: nope, but tomorrow i'll try to flash debian on two sd cards and see what happens |
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| 20:57.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | coagen, it's a bit of a fruitless discussion... and as new people come in in irc who do not know what has been previously discussed, it would be quite tedious to repeat it here over and over again |
| 20:57.36 | tytan | edoardo: Why Debian? |
| 20:57.36 | coagen | _abc_: the systemd default in jessie... its just truly sad to see debian go down like this... :| I wonder whats going to happen in the future |
| 20:58.02 | ben{} | d3lphi: so i suppose it's not in /usr/local/.. |
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| 20:58.16 | coagen | CutMeOwnThroat: but if people are concerned about it... its something that they'd want to discuss :| |
| 20:58.23 | dondelelcaro | _abc_: you can install runit if you want. |
| 20:58.32 | edoardo | tytan: 1. It's small 2. It's fast 3. It's flexible 4. I can get packages for anything i want 5. It's stable, even with jessie |
| 20:58.33 | dondelelcaro | coagen: it's still not on topic here. |
| 20:58.34 | _abc_ | coagen: http://www.debianfork.org/ the usual |
| 20:58.55 | beepie | abailarri, let me guess you didn't even set the table policies |
| 20:58.58 | d3lphi | ben{}: /usr/local/... is not the problem... the correct .so is located elsewhere, that's not the problem, I know hwere it is. I am just curious if I have to do a "mkdir -p /lib64/security" before |
| 20:59.38 | abailarri | beepie, I resolved the question, but when I try to acces I get login failed error |
| 20:59.41 | tytan | edoardo: sounds reasonable :) I hope it works well with your hardware |
| 20:59.44 | adilix | cya bye bye and thx for help |
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| 20:59.55 | abailarri | this can be for 2 reason, the passive mode or pureftp configuration error |
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| 20:59.56 | ben{} | if your distro has no /lib64 i think it's not useful to make it, ld would not find it anyway |
| 21:00.02 | edoardo | tytan: i already tried with opensuse and it works well (it's a bit slow opening things, tho) |
| 21:00.24 | ben{} | d3lphi: sorry.. just above. |
| 21:00.32 | edoardo | i think it's just because i used a cheap usb drive |
| 21:01.00 | edoardo | but ffmpeg was fast as hell, could encode at 60fps on a dual core i5 notebook |
| 21:01.01 | d3lphi | ben{}: I HAVE /lib64 because I am using a 64bit system (getconf LONG_BIT proof) |
| 21:01.10 | coagen | _abc_: I'm very curious about runit, and its "well-integrated with Debian" status suggested by the developer of s6 init |
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| 21:01.44 | ben{} | okay, so if you have pam, security should be there |
| 21:01.57 | d3lphi | ben{}: I have 64bit Debian and I have /lib64 but I have no /lib64/security that's the question :) |
| 21:01.59 | beepie | abailarri, if you set the policy with -P you don't need to use line 34 and 35 |
| 21:02.43 | jhutchins | ,v zbar |
| 21:02.44 | judd | No package named 'zbar' was found in i386. |
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| 21:02.48 | beepie | abailarri, also line 19 is not doing anything because of line 8 |
| 21:03.13 | abailarri | why= |
| 21:03.14 | beepie | abailarri, also line 5 is not doing anything because of line 4. |
| 21:03.14 | abailarri | ?? |
| 21:03.25 | tytan | edoardo: Manjaro Openbox Edition, CrunchBang Linux and ArchBang Linux are damn fast live systems. So if Debian doesn't work for you, you can check these out ^^ |
| 21:03.30 | beepie | abailarri, because of -A .. the firewal rules read from up to down.. |
| 21:03.37 | dondelelcaro | d3lphi: why aren't you just installing the libpam-winbind package? |
| 21:03.51 | beepie | abailarri, iptables -L -n --line-numbers |
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| 21:03.57 | abailarri | then, can I quit the line 19? |
| 21:04.02 | dondelelcaro | d3lphi: debian distributes samba 4, and this will all just work. |
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| 21:04.17 | beepie | abailarri, it's still going through anyways. |
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| 21:04.40 | dondelelcaro | ,versions libpam-winbind |
| 21:04.42 | judd | Package: libpam-winbind on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.11+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; sid: 2:4.1.11+dfsg-2; jessie: 2:4.1.11+dfsg-2 |
| 21:04.52 | beepie | abailarri, line 19 is redundant and will never be reached anyways and neither will any session traffic because it's related/established. |
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| 21:05.21 | d3lphi | dondelelcaro: because I don't use the official Wheezy repository (outdated version of samba4!) but Sernet |
| 21:05.22 | beepie | abailarri, line 8 is already accepting the traffic |
| 21:05.22 | ben{} | d3lphi: it should be /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security i think. do you have it ? |
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| 21:05.47 | d3lphi | ben{}: yes! I have that dir :) |
| 21:05.56 | beepie | abailarri, i think your problem is the ftp control port |
| 21:06.09 | d3lphi | ben{}: so in future, when I read on tutorial about /lib64 I should replace that dir by /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu ? |
| 21:06.10 | ben{} | d3lphi: try it so, instead of /lib64.. |
| 21:06.24 | jhutchins | Someone asked about qr codes - zbar-tools might do what you want. |
| 21:06.26 | ben{} | d3lphi: i guess yes. |
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| 21:06.33 | dondelelcaro | d3lphi: uh.. 4.1.11 is pretty recent |
| 21:06.41 | dondelelcaro | d3lphi: and it's in wheezy-backports, which is actually supported. |
| 21:07.02 | d3lphi | dondelelcaro: I don't use wheezy-backport though, I am on samba 4.1.12/sernet |
| 21:07.05 | abailarri | beepie, the ftp control port? |
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| 21:07.07 | beepie | abailarri, look into an iptables ftp extension (find /lib/modules/ | grep ftp) |
| 21:07.16 | dondelelcaro | d3lphi: yes, and that's not supported here. |
| 21:07.38 | d3lphi | ben{}: thank you |
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| 21:07.51 | abailarri | beepie, there is not nothing in lib/modules |
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| 21:09.30 | jhutchins | Find piped through grep? Seriously? |
| 21:09.44 | abailarri | beepie, when I try to connect via filezilla, I see that connects and fails when is attempting to login with a password |
| 21:10.06 | abailarri | seems that the password is not correct. The pass is the same that the debian user? |
| 21:10.08 | beepie | abailarri, i mean line 19 won't match to any traffic because there's no new session for it |
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| 21:10.36 | beepie | abailarri, there's ftp extensions going back from wheezy.. it's a match conntrack extension.. i suppose it supports passive mode |
| 21:10.43 | jhutchins | abailarri: This has a pretty good section on how to manage iptables for ftp: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 21:10.46 | d3lphi | is there a tool provided by Debian, with which PAM can be configured (except of configuring manual the files in /etc/pam.d/) ? |
| 21:11.01 | grammoboy | beepie, should I dd the whole sd, /dev/sdb in this case? |
| 21:11.13 | abailarri | thanks jhutchins |
| 21:11.15 | jhutchins | d3lphi: Something like authconfig? |
| 21:11.16 | beepie | grammoboy, mount |grep sdb |
| 21:11.25 | beepie | grammoboy, if there's no mountpoints then go ahead |
| 21:11.37 | d3lphi | jhutchins: ? |
| 21:12.29 | jhutchins | d3lphi: Red Hat tool. Don't think it's in Debian, I haven't heard of anything specific. |
| 21:12.33 | grammoboy | beepie, if mounted I have sdb1 and sdb3 |
| 21:12.50 | dondelelcaro | d3lphi: you generally shouldn't have to modify pam configurations in Debian. |
| 21:12.56 | grammoboy | beepie, umount those and backup /dev/sdb ? |
| 21:13.14 | dondelelcaro | d3lphi: all of the packages which ship pam modules which might need to modify them, ship configurations which use pam-auth-update |
| 21:13.20 | beepie | grammoboy, they probably got automounted by user-space.. you doing this on the desktop? |
| 21:13.21 | abailarri | beepie, I supose that the conntrack module is for ftp passive mode, no? |
| 21:13.23 | jhutchins | grammoboy: dd doesn't care if something's mounted, it does block transfer from the device. |
| 21:13.43 | grammoboy | beepie, yep, on my laptop |
| 21:13.55 | dondelelcaro | d3lphi: thus, if you install Debian's libpam-winbind package, all of this should be done for you automatically |
| 21:14.14 | beepie | abailarri, i never used it.. I've switch to ssh/sftp years ago as all it is port 22... which btw you don't know --> filezilla supports ssh/sftp... and of course you are already using ssh anyways in your iptables it is all that's needed to have it working |
| 21:14.41 | dondelelcaro | d3lphi: and added into /etc/pam.d/common_auth and /etc/pam.d/common_account as appropriate |
| 21:14.44 | d3lphi | dondelelcaro: but I cannot install libpam-winbind because it's not possible (it would break dependencies) |
| 21:15.03 | dondelelcaro | d3lphi: if it would break dependencies, then you're not using the Debian packages, and it's not supported here... |
| 21:15.14 | grammoboy | beepie, so backing up /dev/sdb, gives me a file as large as the sd card |
| 21:15.22 | d3lphi | dondelelcaro: I entered the three lines shown here (https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Setup_a_Samba_AD_Member_Server#Setting_up_PAM_authentication) into my /etc/pam.d/sshd but it still doesn't work. I cannot login through ssh with a Samba4/AD account :( |
| 21:15.31 | dondelelcaro | d3lphi: yes, because those lines are wrong. |
| 21:15.36 | jhutchins | grammoboy: It's easier to work with partition images than with device images, but either way works. |
| 21:15.46 | d3lphi | dondelelcaro: why are these lines in the wiki then? |
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| 21:16.00 | dondelelcaro | d3lphi: they're on Samba's wiki. Who knows what OS they were made for? |
| 21:16.16 | grammoboy | jhutchins, working with partitions, you backup both partitions on the sd card? |
| 21:16.17 | beepie | grammoboy, yah,, but you can pass it to gzip if you want -> gzip -c --fast /dev/sdb > mybackup.bin |
| 21:16.28 | beepie | grammoboy, "gzip -c --fast /dev/sdb > mybackup.bin" |
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| 21:16.57 | beepie | grammoboy, i'd suggest mybackup.gz (".gz") |
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| 21:18.01 | beepie | grammoboy, if you dump it to an image you can always throw it to "kpartx -a <image>" so you can mount it locally with /dev/mapper/loop0p1 |
| 21:18.14 | d3lphi | dondelelcaro: I'm kinda confused now :s when I do "rgrep -i winbind /etc/pam.d/" I get no result. So PAM is not possible to process winbind-related logins, right? |
| 21:18.23 | abailarri | beepie, I will use sftp. On question. Is convenient use a specific user for manage this sftp account (basicallly to upload some data to /var/www in apache) |
| 21:18.31 | dondelelcaro | d3lphi: no, that's not correct. |
| 21:18.33 | abailarri | ? |
| 21:18.41 | d3lphi | dondelelcaro: but? |
| 21:19.15 | grammoboy | beepie, thx |
| 21:19.16 | dondelelcaro | d3lphi: if you install the libpam-winbind package, and enable its configuration, then you can allow it as an authentication method for pam and/or include it in @common_auth and @common_account |
| 21:19.32 | beepie | abailarri, you can delegate roles, throw a user to the www-data group so he can be the webmaster for /var/www if this is what you mean.. by that account he might be able to start and stop the webserver as well |
| 21:20.52 | d3lphi | dondelelcaro: can you explain to me which other way I could go, because I cannot install "libpam-winbind" as I am using Sernet's Samba 4.1.12 ? I did understand that Sernet is not Debian and not supported, but maybe you could kindly give me a hint which way I need to look for? |
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| 21:21.19 | dondelelcaro | d3lphi: you can install Debian's version of samba, or you can ask whoever distributes sernet for assistance |
| 21:21.49 | d3lphi | dondelelcaro: that's a fine art/response. Thanks a lot |
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| 21:22.39 | Somelauw | Hi, can someone tell me how to install firmware for radeon drivers? I tried sudo apt-get -t testing install fglrx-driver, but that command still showed me a list of "Possible missing firmware" which i pasted here: https://pastee.org/x7a9q |
| 21:22.46 | dondelelcaro | d3lphi: no problem; we're just unable to support non Debian things here. You might also try #samba or ##linux, too. |
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| 21:23.25 | dondelelcaro | Somelauw: those are in the firmware-linux-nonfree package, IIRC. |
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| 21:23.37 | jhutchins | d3lphi: I think I'd look to whatever support sernet has first, there could be things specific to their configuration. |
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| 21:24.28 | Paradisee | what can i do with this error: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 21:24.32 | linagee | is there a reason that systemd would cause a threat of a fork? I don't understand... |
| 21:24.51 | dondelelcaro | !tell Paradisee -about bat |
| 21:25.22 | jhutchins | Paradisee: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 21:25.30 | Somelauw | dondelelcaro: that's a problem because it tells me i already got the newest version of that package |
| 21:26.20 | Paradisee | jhutchins: apt-get install python-flask |
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| 21:28.17 | beepie | abailarri, if you were wondering about restricting an ssh/sftp user to not have "ssh terminal" access but just "sftp" that certainly is possible.. |
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| 21:28.36 | beepie | abailarri, the method may have changed but I've done it a couple times before |
| 21:28.40 | Somelauw | jhutchins: i got all those packages already installed |
| 21:28.51 | jhutchins | Paradisee: There should be a more meaningful error message further up. You may want to pastebin the full output. |
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| 21:29.32 | Paradisee | http://dpaste.com/2J2T92A |
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| 21:31.15 | dondelelcaro | Somelauw: hrm; I don't see a package which contains those here; you might try searching packages.debian.org for them |
| 21:31.27 | dondelelcaro | Somelauw: but if this is a really new kernel, it's possible that the firwmare packages just haven't caught up yet |
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| 21:31.56 | jhutchins | Paradisee: Have you updated apt? |
| 21:32.08 | Paradisee | doing |
| 21:32.14 | Somelauw | dondelelcaro: i'm using kernel 3.16 |
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| 21:32.28 | dondelelcaro | Somelauw: yeah, that might do it. |
| 21:32.42 | jhutchins | Paradisee: Set your locale as well, see message from dpkg. |
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| 21:34.43 | Somelauw | dondelelcaro: but i already searched there but wasn't able to find them. unfortunately |
| 21:35.34 | dondelelcaro | Somelauw: I don't think a newer version of the firwmare package has been made yet; it'll probably happen eventually, but it probably will only end up in experimental |
| 21:36.04 | dondelelcaro | Somelauw: in the meantime, this is almost certainly a bug, and you should file it against the firmware-linux-nonfree package (probably minor severity) if it isn't there already |
| 21:36.05 | Somelauw | so is there no way to use a radeon hd 8670M yet? |
| 21:36.34 | dondelelcaro | Somelauw: you can probably get those firmware files out of the upstream kernel source, I think |
| 21:37.34 | Somelauw | dondelelcaro: i already installed kernel 3.16 straight from unstable (my system is mixed now) |
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| 21:39.30 | Paradisee | jhutchins: how can i set locate |
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| 21:40.54 | Paradisee | locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 21:40.55 | Paradisee | /usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
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| 21:41.27 | nopf | hm, so i.e. while 'upgrade'ing, i have to answer a question every ~10 minutes. this is very annoing. any good wary around this? |
| 21:41.53 | nopf | (dist-upgrade that is...) |
| 21:41.56 | Paradisee | http://dpaste.com/3NRHQJR |
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| 21:44.10 | jhutchins | Paradisee: See the private message from dpkg (in irc). |
| 21:45.01 | Paradisee | ok |
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| 21:48.38 | jhutchins | Paradisee: for anything in brackets <> in the message you can /msg dpkg <foo> to get more info. |
| 21:48.47 | Paradisee | ty |
| 21:49.03 | Paradisee | it seems to work |
| 21:51.15 | Paradisee | no it doesnt :D |
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| 21:55.05 | Paradisee | jhutchins: http://dpaste.com/1DR1DED |
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| 22:15.52 | r00s | i'm having issues creating kernel packages with make-kpkg. apparently make-kpkg wants to write to /lib and /var/lib, shouldn't it use a chroot to build the package? |
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| 22:16.33 | doebi | when i simply want to reload a driver module using modprobe i do 'modprobe -r <module>' && 'modprobe <module>' right? |
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| 22:17.41 | ompaul | r00s: you have the wrong end of some stick this will explain to you what you can do https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
| 22:18.55 | ompaul | doebi: in theory |
| 22:19.01 | Epakai | r00s: it should be run with fakeroot, see https://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/amd64/ch08s06.html.en for an example |
| 22:19.30 | doebi | ompaul: i remember it working that way, and now it complains: "modprobe: FATAL: Module iwlwifi is in use." |
| 22:19.37 | r00s | Epakai: that's what I did |
| 22:20.00 | r00s | i first tried "fakeroot make-kpkg" and then "make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot" |
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| 22:20.37 | r00s | and i get errors like: "/usr/sbin/update-initramfs: 502: cannot create /var/lib/initramfs-tools/3.17.1: Permission denied" |
| 22:21.18 | ompaul | doebi: is this more a question of rfkill unblock wifi; rfkill unblock all |
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| 22:22.54 | r00s | this is the output at the end: http://fpaste.org/143664/38437281/ |
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| 22:23.55 | r00s | hm, libfakeroot cannot be loaded |
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| 22:28.59 | jose1974 | hey, do I need to completely recompile my kernel to have SERPENT in /proc/crypto ? |
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| 22:29.10 | jose1974 | it isn't there |
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| 22:30.20 | somiaj | jose1974: do you know what the kernel config option is to have that? |
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| 22:31.07 | somiaj | jose1974: looking at 'grep SERPENT /boot/config-`uname -r` I see that the option is configured to be a module. This means you might just have to load the module |
| 22:31.08 | r00s | this seems to be the problem: https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/3/333 |
| 22:31.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | jose1974, you might need to modprobe it |
| 22:31.26 | Shattingduck | can somebody see this? |
| 22:31.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | Shattingduck, yes |
| 22:31.40 | Shattingduck | thanks |
| 22:32.11 | somiaj | r00s: is this on ubuntu as this is #debian. Also I woudln't suggest using make-kpkg anymore, and would use the inline kernel make deb-pkg option. |
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| 22:32.44 | jose1974 | how to modprobe it? |
| 22:32.49 | yoLo_ | how do i zip a folder / |
| 22:32.50 | yoLo_ | ? |
| 22:32.57 | yoLo_ | zip folder ? |
| 22:33.16 | jose1974 | zip archive.zip / |
| 22:33.28 | yoLo_ | thanks |
| 22:33.57 | r00s | somiaj: can i tell make deb-pkg to not create debug images? |
| 22:34.22 | yoLo_ | zip error: Nothing to do! (Untitled.zip) jose1974 |
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| 22:34.46 | somiaj | r00s: ahh not sure there. you don't have to install all the packages it creates, but unsure if you have that control. |
| 22:35.16 | r00s | somiaj: it just takes longer to make the packages :-/ but i'll be sleeping anyways |
| 22:35.18 | somiaj | r00s: I haven't compiled my kernel since around the time 3.0 came out and by then I was to tired keeping up with config changes. I do know that make deb-pkg is prefered over make-kpkg but unsure if you have control to only make certain packages. |
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| 22:35.57 | somiaj | There might be #kernel if you want a place to ask that question. |
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| 22:36.19 | yoLo_ | mattcen, how do i use zip |
| 22:36.37 | jose1974 | try zip -r archive.zip / |
| 22:36.38 | jose1974 | with -r |
| 22:37.04 | r00s | somiaj: thanks |
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| 22:37.38 | unkmar | waves |
| 22:37.55 | heurist | jose1974: modprobe serpent |
| 22:38.05 | somiaj | yoLo_: 'man zip' |
| 22:38.10 | unkmar | I need to patch my sound into working order for the next few days. Then I'll reboot and have to fix it again. :( |
| 22:38.19 | somiaj | yoLo_: good thing to do when asking 'how do I use command zip' or replace zip with what ever command you want. (: |
| 22:38.46 | jose1974 | heurist, much thanks |
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| 22:38.56 | somiaj | unkmar: sure it is a patch and not just some module option you need for your paticular machine. What sound module are you using? |
| 22:39.00 | unkmar | I have been unable to determine WHY alsa isn't working. |
| 22:39.08 | jose1974 | heurist, where i can list exact names of loadable modules? |
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| 22:39.35 | somiaj | jose1974: list would be long, but usually they are named similar to their config option. |
| 22:39.57 | unkmar | somiaj: I had it working. Rebooted Friday. and It isn't working now. I had 90+ days uptime. I can only assume it was working for most of that time. |
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| 22:40.15 | jose1974 | it would be nice if i can list |
| 22:40.17 | heurist | jose1974: not sure how useful that is, but: ls -lR /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 22:40.27 | somiaj | unkmar: what version of debian do you run? |
| 22:40.28 | jose1974 | yea, that is, thanks |
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| 22:40.39 | somiaj | jose1974: the list will just be huge, I find it easier to search for the name of the one module I want. (: |
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| 22:41.11 | unkmar | 7.5 |
| 22:41.28 | somiaj | unkmar: do you have multiple sound cards? |
| 22:41.31 | jose1974 | somiaj, well, i searched it in kernel conf and it says CONFIG_CRYPTO_SERPENT=m |
| 22:41.33 | somiaj | unkmar: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 22:41.35 | jose1974 | not so exact |
| 22:41.53 | somiaj | jose1974: yea that gives config name not module name, but usually they are similar. :/ |
| 22:41.58 | jose1974 | i didn't know what to load CRYPTO_SERPENT or SERPENT or |
| 22:42.05 | unkmar | somiaj: yes. 3 of them. cards 0, 2, and 4. |
| 22:42.08 | yoLo_ | somiaj, thanks |
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| 22:42.35 | yoLo_ | somiaj, i had it but the name of the data i was trying to zip was incorrect |
| 22:42.49 | arielsanflo | help |
| 22:43.02 | somiaj | unkmar: did the order the cards got detected change during your reboot. In this case you just have to reconfigure things to use the correct card. |
| 22:43.12 | unkmar | strange. I'm also listeing 2 more. well, really only 2 most of those are different aspectes of the onboard sound. |
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| 22:43.48 | unkmar | somiaj: No, the order remained the same. The Logitech Headset has remained at 4. |
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| 22:43.55 | arielsanflo | help |
| 22:43.57 | arielsanflo | E: The value 'unstable' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 22:43.57 | arielsanflo | E: _cache->open() failed, please report. |
| 22:44.15 | arielsanflo | open synaptic |
| 22:44.20 | arielsanflo | error |
| 22:44.27 | somiaj | arielsanflo: what gave you this error, can you share your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 22:45.58 | arielsanflo | http://paste.debian.net/127826/ |
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| 22:47.05 | arielsanflo | http://paste.debian.net/127826/ |
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| 22:48.24 | somiaj | arielsanflo: I don't notice any issues. Though I would suggest commenting out line 9. You shouldn't need to add jessie sources for adobe flash player, the package is also in sid |
| 22:48.30 | somiaj | arielsanflo: does 'apt-get update' run just fine? |
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| 22:48.57 | somiaj | arielsanflo: another issue is I would use 'http.debian.net' over 'ftp.us.debian.org', but that is just the new suggestion. |
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| 22:49.41 | arielsanflo | no apt-get update error pastebin |
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| 22:51.56 | somiaj | arielsanflo: sorry I don't quite follow you. You said apt-get update works just fine, as in on error or am I waiting for a pastebin output of the error? |
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| 22:52.10 | arielsanflo | http://paste.debian.net/127828/ |
| 22:52.46 | arielsanflo | no funciona |
| 22:53.22 | arielsanflo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.45 | unkmar | okay, so, I have audio. If I want to use my onboard. Which I don't! I'd rather use my wireless headset. |
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| 22:56.23 | arielsanflo | http://paste.debian.net/127829/ |
| 22:56.32 | arielsanflo | error aptitude update |
| 22:56.51 | somiaj | unkmar: how are you trying to configure your system to use your headset |
| 22:56.58 | unkmar | somiaj: what does this mean? aplay: main:682: audio open error: File descriptor in bad state |
| 22:57.19 | somiaj | unkmar: don't know, never seen that error before |
| 22:57.59 | unkmar | somiaj: I've been configuring using .asounrc defauls.pcm.card 4 and same for ctl.car and timer.card |
| 22:58.52 | somiaj | check the output of aplay -l or -L (forget which one is better for this) but sometimes yo uhave to set the card and the device which are not both the same number |
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| 22:59.11 | somiaj | lower case l, you can pastebin the output of aplay -l |
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| 22:59.58 | themill | arielsanflo: which version of apt do you have there? You seem to have more than one apt/aptitude running at the same time. |
| 23:00.10 | somiaj | arielsanflo: well yoru sources.list file works just fine for me. I have seen someone else with a similar prbolem but never figured it out. The error says it cannot fetch filename, but it should be rying to fetch filename.gz [it won't find the file without the .gz]. I know in the past the error woudln't print the .gz but it should be now, the fact that it desont' makes me wonder if your system is not looking for the right file. I couldn't say why ... |
| 23:00.16 | somiaj | ... though. |
| 23:01.14 | unkmar | It is listed at the bottom. card 4: Headset [Logitech Wireless Headset], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 |
| 23:02.08 | somiaj | unkmar: notice how it says card 4, device 0. you will need at least two lines in your .asoundrc, defaults.pcm.card 4 and defaults.pcm.device 0 |
| 23:02.40 | cwong20121 | how do i set in sudoers that allow all the commands except /bin/su ? i have : ALL = (ALL), !/bin/su |
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| 23:04.05 | unkmar | somiaj: Nope, that didn't do it. :( |
| 23:04.27 | somiaj | cwong20121: echo "su -" > this_is_not_su, 'sudo this_is_not_su' so any blacklist can easily be avoided |
| 23:04.32 | somiaj | unkmar: :/ |
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| 23:04.58 | somiaj | cwong20121: so you really can't do all but with sudo (since they can easily hide the command insinde any scripting language you let them use). If you want to limit you have to control what it is they can do. |
| 23:06.05 | unkmar | somiaj: rmmod snd_usb_audio Result: Error: Module snd_usb_audio is in use |
| 23:06.07 | cwong20121 | somiaj: ya i know.. but lets say thats what i want to do. how would i achieve that. |
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| 23:07.29 | somiaj | cwong20121: http://superuser.com/questions/735172/how-to-prevent-sudo-users-from-running-specific-commands -- is what I found, a long wha tyou should do, but you can just have multiple lines |
| 23:08.08 | somiaj | cwong20121: have one that allows all then another that disallows it, 'user ALL=!/bin/su' -- not sure if your on the same line method would work |
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| 23:18.36 | unkmar | somiaj: I'm going to reboot. And I don't think it will help. |
| 23:18.38 | unkmar | Arghh |
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| 23:23.52 | unkmar | Got me. That worked! and I don't have a clue why. |
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| 23:25.43 | unkmar | clearly, It released and reloaded whatever was hung. |
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| 23:44.44 | muranese | how i can install emacs24 package? when i try "apt-get -t testing install emacs24" i get this http://sprunge.us/CMDg |
| 23:45.26 | heurist | muranese: install it from backports. |
| 23:45.46 | heurist | dpkg: tell muranese -about wheezy backports |
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| 23:52.46 | jbardin | heya all, i have a Q regarding /sys/class/net/eth0/statistics/tx_bytes |
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| 23:53.23 | jbardin | i have a server that is exhibiting signs of network constrait (slow rsyncing to remote host) and I noticed when I cat'd the tx_bytes file, it would take at least 1/2 seconds before the value changed |
| 23:53.40 | jbardin | meanwhile, on a less "busy" server (my http app server) the tx_bytes value changes multiple times / second |
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| 23:54.15 | jbardin | is there anything like a kernel network buffer or something that could cause this "delay" / "lag" in updating of the tx_bytes file? |
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| 23:58.34 | rebauld_ | does ifconfig show anything 'bad' for that interface? any filtering or port forwarding? and have you tried a different interface? (hardware problem) did you try a hard reboot |
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